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Speaker 4: Local, Welcome to a Friday edition to the show. I'm
Speaker 4: your host for the next three hours. Mandy Connall joined
Speaker 4: today for at least are you with me the whole
Speaker 4: show or part of the show. Whole show? Yay, Grant
Speaker 4: tis back with us for the full three hours and
Speaker 4: before we jump into the blog because mainly got a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff coming up. If you don't listen to
Speaker 4: Ross's show right before mine, and why wouldn't you, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's awesome. But at the end of his show every
Speaker 4: Friday he does a version of name that Tune, and
Speaker 4: today I got to choose the song. And because my
Speaker 4: husband started in rock radio when he was fifteen, back
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy late seventies, some point, his his depth
Speaker 4: of knowledge about classic rock is far deeper and wider
Speaker 4: than mine. So I enlisted his help. I said, okay, hey,
Speaker 4: what are we doing here? And he found five songs,
Speaker 4: a few of them I had never even heard of, Like,
Speaker 4: even after he told me what the songs are, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I got nothing. But he helped me choose today's song,
Speaker 4: which was walk on the Wildside by Lou Reed. Stumped
Speaker 4: Grant but did not stump Ross, so that was good
Speaker 4: because Ross never wins. So, you know, I wanted to
Speaker 4: throw on the bone. But then a listener sent a
Speaker 4: text specific to Chuck, so I thought I would just
Speaker 4: call Chuck, my husband and ask him the questions about this. Hello, dear, Hello. Okay.
Speaker 5: You know in my it was nineteen seventy eight and
Speaker 5: since then, every time anybody on the air has ever
Speaker 5: called me, I'm like, okay, what's going on because some
Speaker 5: of these are not gone. Well, so I have no
Speaker 5: idea why you're calling.
Speaker 4: I just heard No this is easy, Yeah, this is easy.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's not easy at all to me. The guy sent
Speaker 4: me this text message, Mandy, how deep does Chuck go?
Speaker 4: Phason stop with camel deep? I don't even know what
Speaker 4: that means? What phason stop with camel deep?
Speaker 5: What is that? That sounds familiar?
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna look it up. So obviously not stop
Speaker 4: with camel Okay, let's see here phase, stop with Camel
Speaker 4: the miraculous hump returns from the Moonson.
Speaker 5: Okay, that sounds familiar.
Speaker 4: Bit I stop with cambell Is. Apparently the band See
Speaker 4: that's what I thought, But they didn't jar did they know?
Speaker 4: Because the rule is that these songs have to chart
Speaker 4: at some point.
Speaker 5: See I never knew that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, okay, how about this one from the same texture.
Speaker 4: How about this one Sufficiently Breathless by Captain Beyond.
Speaker 5: I think he was part of the Doctor Demento show
Speaker 5: at one point. Captain Beyond, If that's the same guy,
Speaker 5: I'm maybe wrong, So don't don't call me the listener.
Speaker 5: Maybe going to know you idiots.
Speaker 4: It's an American rock supergroup formed in Los Angeles in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy one, consisting of Deep Purple singer Rod Evans,
Speaker 4: former Johnny Winter drummer Bobby Caldwell, former Iron Butterfly guitarist
Speaker 4: Larry Reinhart, and former Iron Butterfly bassist Lee Dorman.
Speaker 5: Yes, I had that confused with something else. I know
Speaker 5: what he's talking about. That now you know what's really?
Speaker 5: What's what's really. I'm the youngest of sixth first off.
Speaker 6: And my oldest brother is sixteen years older than me.
Speaker 6: So he listened to to do Wop, you know, because
Speaker 6: I was born in sixty four and so I and
Speaker 6: my dad was, you know, a World War two vet.
Speaker 6: So he's listening to Glenn Miller.
Speaker 5: I love it all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's and you know as well as I do.
Speaker 5: You can walk in the house and they'll be Gregorian
Speaker 5: chant on. I don't care.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just I like, oh, it's it's Fa Zone.
Speaker 4: Fa Zone is the name of the song.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, And I would have never thought of
Speaker 5: that one mean, I wouldn't have remembered that.
Speaker 4: Just wait, wait a minute, Chuck, I just realized that
Speaker 4: forgot something. Hey, Grant, it's Friday. That means all together
Speaker 4: now woo okay, sorry, Texter, please ask check about the
Speaker 4: Flying Burrito Brothers. Everybody knows about the Flying Burrito Brothers.
Speaker 5: So the Flying Burrito Brothers used to play a bar
Speaker 5: in my hometown that you've been to and Grant has
Speaker 5: been to, called the Union. And then they had friends
Speaker 5: in a band called the Bogus Brothers, of course, and
Speaker 5: if you you can look up the Bogus Brothers, I
Speaker 5: mean they have a I think they have a Wikipedia pagey,
Speaker 5: what did they go.
Speaker 4: Eat at the burrito Buggy?
Speaker 5: Let's see if you were taking my thunder there. That
Speaker 5: was prior to the burrito Buggy. Now that's when the
Speaker 5: bagel Buggy was.
Speaker 4: Oh, the bagel Buggy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the seventies.
Speaker 4: This is what you guys miss when you don't go
Speaker 4: to Athens, Ohio screaming at the.
Speaker 5: At the uh at the radio right now because he
Speaker 5: went to OU and he knows what all this is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, all right, that's all I wanted. I just
Speaker 4: wanted to see if you know what those things were.
Speaker 4: So I actually feel better that you didn't, because I
Speaker 4: sure didn't.
Speaker 5: Well, I know what they are. I just would have
Speaker 5: never pulled him out, is remember, and once you sounded
Speaker 5: like okay, I remember that, but you know it wasn't
Speaker 5: something that was fresh in my mind.
Speaker 6: All right, and Ross Scott it in Wait a.
Speaker 5: Minute here you you Ross did get it?
Speaker 4: Yes, he did. How how much of the interest is
Speaker 4: one point two seconds? He got it?
Speaker 5: Okay? Well, yeah, I was playing youero point eight seconds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but I have to make it over
Speaker 4: one second to the first row.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know.
Speaker 6: Once again he owes me.
Speaker 4: All right, my friend.
Speaker 5: I love you, have a great day. I look.
Speaker 4: Okay, now we're going to do the blog. Go to
Speaker 4: mandy'sblog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com. Look for the
Speaker 4: headline that says nine to twenty seven twenty four blog
Speaker 4: a deep dive on ranked choice voting with Kent theory.
Speaker 4: Click on that and here are the headlines you will
Speaker 4: find within Anything.
Speaker 2: Wants in Office, Happened Iragon, All Ships in Time?
Speaker 4: That's as Plant Today and the blog The people who
Speaker 4: want to ban a Slaughterhouse are on today This as
Speaker 4: the slaughterhouse is upgrading after an EPA fine, Let's do
Speaker 4: a deep dive on ranked choice voting comedian Matthew Brossard
Speaker 4: Today at two thirty a Colorado jove, which leaves the
Speaker 4: morons in charge of the GOP. The Abs and Nuggets
Speaker 4: are back on TV Aurora PD looking for another known
Speaker 4: gang member. What happens when you stand up to the
Speaker 4: DPS mob. The slum lords are continuing to slum lord.
Speaker 4: Why is RTD hiding? Why they fired the chief Caraveo's
Speaker 4: lying about Evans's positions. C dot doesn't care if we
Speaker 4: want to drive. The Independence Institute has released their voter Guide.
Speaker 4: An alleged journalist dosed JD vance scrolling. Yes, there were
Speaker 4: Feds there on January sixth. Inflation is almost at two percent. Yes,
Speaker 4: Democrats want to weaponize DOJ Dave Maggie Smith has passed away.
Speaker 4: Men share the realities of being divorced. You really should
Speaker 4: go to Japan and South Korea with US stem cell treatments.
Speaker 4: Cured type one diabetes, the funniest wildlife photos of the year.
Speaker 4: Yahoo unleashes on the un a lovely video about people
Speaker 4: using wheelchairs. Those are the headlines on the blog at
Speaker 4: Mandy's blog dot com.
Speaker 5: So there you go.
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of stuff on the blog today
Speaker 4: and we've got three guests coming up. The first guess
Speaker 4: Mandy Less blogmore Chuck, y'all. I have to live with him,
Speaker 4: and if he gets too famous, he will become insufferable.
Speaker 4: And our relationship only has room for one person who
Speaker 4: is insufferable because of a minor level of fame, and
Speaker 4: that is me.
Speaker 7: If you need two and a half hours of Chuck,
Speaker 7: go listen to my episode of the podcast for Granted
Speaker 7: podcast with Chuck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Grant did a whole interview with him. So there
Speaker 4: you go there, you go today, we are going to
Speaker 4: hear from Pro Animal Future. They are the organization that
Speaker 4: is running the slaughterhouse band that is trying to shut
Speaker 4: down a slaughterhouse in Denver, and ultimately it's about making
Speaker 4: a seat less meat. That is the end result. Making
Speaker 4: as eat no meat would be the end perfect result.
Speaker 4: But we're going to talk about this. I did let
Speaker 4: them know that I am against this measure, but we're
Speaker 4: gonna let them come on and have a converse about it,
Speaker 4: and maybe they will be able to convince some of you,
Speaker 4: whereas they will not be able to convince me. So
Speaker 4: that's where we're going to be there. But it's going
Speaker 4: to be a respectful conversation. It'll be interesting and you know,
Speaker 4: maybe you learn something. We also have Kent theory coming on.
Speaker 4: I told you when I was talking about ranked choice
Speaker 4: voting the other day and I was like, I've been
Speaker 4: going back and forth and back and forth, and I
Speaker 4: have concerns, and I think my concerns are valid, but
Speaker 4: I can't figure out if there are long term concerns
Speaker 4: or short term concerns. And so Kent theory is part
Speaker 4: of the group that is behind this ranked choice voting
Speaker 4: valid initiative. So we're going to talk to Kent and
Speaker 4: I'm excited to have a conversation with him about that
Speaker 4: and we'll hopefully get all of your questions answered. Then
Speaker 4: at two thirty, comedian Matthew Brissard is coming in. I'm
Speaker 4: excited about that. He's very funny. I accidentally stumbled onto
Speaker 4: him because of an algorithm, like you know, push by YouTube,
Speaker 4: and he's very, very funny, and he reminds me of
Speaker 4: all the guys that I knew at the country club
Speaker 4: when I was growing up, like just that, but in
Speaker 4: a good way, in a very funny, very funny way.
Speaker 4: So I put a video of his on the blog
Speaker 4: today and if you want to see what he's about,
Speaker 4: he's playing at Comedy Works this weekend, so you can
Speaker 4: do that. So yesterday, right before I came in the
Speaker 4: came on the show yesterday, there was a ruling that
Speaker 4: was announced that a judge had decided the meeting that
Speaker 4: was held to unseat Dave Williams as the disastrous chairman
Speaker 4: of the GOP was found to be illegal or illegitimate
Speaker 4: rather because it did not have enough members of the
Speaker 4: Central Committee to meet the supermajority standard. And that means
Speaker 4: that Dave Williams is going to stay in charge of
Speaker 4: the Colorado GOP. So as I was listening to the
Speaker 4: news story, I went online to the Secretary of State's
Speaker 4: office and actually did change my voter registration to unaffiliated.
Speaker 4: I successfully did it. I got a confirmation from the
Speaker 4: Secretary of State's office. So I am out, they say,
Speaker 4: and here's the reason. I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 4: I don't have any desire to engage with the people
Speaker 4: who are keeping this man in power because they don't
Speaker 4: care about winning. And here's what's going to happen. Here's
Speaker 4: exactly what's going to happen. When a Republican loses a
Speaker 4: winnable race that that Republican should have won in this state.
Speaker 4: David Williams is going to turn around and say, if
Speaker 4: only those bad Republicans hadn't tried to upset us, we
Speaker 4: would have focused like a laser on getting everyone elected.
Speaker 4: All that man is doing is looting the party resources
Speaker 4: and what else. He's not raising money, he's not supporting
Speaker 4: the candidatestead of running. He's not fielding candidates for every race.
Speaker 4: There are multiple races across the state where there's not
Speaker 4: even a Republican candidate. There were no vacancy committee meetings.
Speaker 4: These are all functions of the Colorado State Party, the
Speaker 4: one that he allegedly has been leading, and the fundraising
Speaker 4: that is happening is somehow being funneled back into his pocket,
Speaker 4: either through his consulting firm, which I'd love to see
Speaker 4: exactly what they're consulting on. As chairman at the GP,
Speaker 4: who are you consulting with? You're consulting with yourself and
Speaker 4: then drifting off of donations to the Republican Party to
Speaker 4: pay yourself and he's taking an eight thousand dollars a
Speaker 4: month salary. I guess now, I don't know. Nobody knows. Well,
Speaker 4: why don't you look at the Expenditure Committee, the expenditures
Speaker 4: that have been reported, and if you're a Republican who's
Speaker 4: given money to that party, I don't even understand how
Speaker 4: that's okay with you. I really don't. You're being stolen
Speaker 4: from In my worldview, they are taking your money and
Speaker 4: they are using it for their own gain. They are
Speaker 4: not using it to help Republicans get elected. They've done
Speaker 4: nothing but discourage people wanting to be a part of
Speaker 4: the party. So I'm obliging them.
Speaker 8: I'm out.
Speaker 4: I do realize this means I have permanently missed my
Speaker 4: opportunity to be on the Rhino Wall of Shame because
Speaker 4: now I'm no longer a publican in name at all.
Speaker 4: So I missed that window that's slam shut, and I'm devastated,
Speaker 4: just devastated.
Speaker 9: Ah.
Speaker 4: Yes, Mandy, I have to laugh at you infants who
Speaker 4: think lou Reed is classic rock. Maybe early club music,
Speaker 4: but classic rock it ain't. But Steve, it charted on
Speaker 4: the rock charts, it played on rock radio, so that
Speaker 4: means it fits into the category that Ross set forward. Mandy.
Speaker 4: The divorce men's stories are sad. We're gonna get to
Speaker 4: this later, but most of them come across as guys
Speaker 4: that never stood up from themselves in their relationships. Yeah
Speaker 4: maybe maybe maybe, Mandy, Thank you and check for the
Speaker 4: name of that tune. Song took me back to high
Speaker 4: school nineteen seventy two and seventy three. When the album
Speaker 4: came out. We had our fiftieth high school reunion last weekend.
Speaker 4: Oh to be young again, you know you guys. Funny
Speaker 4: weird story. So I just realized I graduated in nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty seven. Okay, so my daughter is going to graduate
Speaker 4: from high school exactly forty years later, because I was
Speaker 4: almost forty when I had her, and I was thinking
Speaker 4: to myself, Wow, when my daughter graduates from high school,
Speaker 4: that is going to be my fortieth class reunion. And
Speaker 4: I had this flashback moment where I was in a
Speaker 4: restaurant in my hometown with a bunch of my friends
Speaker 4: and we were just having dinner and I was in college.
Speaker 4: I think when this happened, I was old enough to
Speaker 4: have driven there and be paying for my own meal.
Speaker 4: And a group of people came in and to us,
Speaker 4: they just looked like a bunch of old people, and
Speaker 4: they were having a great time and just causing a
Speaker 4: ruckus and you know, just really being kind of funny.
Speaker 4: And I remember thinking, God, those old people are out
Speaker 4: of control. And then I remember learning that they were
Speaker 4: in town for their fortieth class reunion, and I thought
Speaker 4: to myself, my god, they're ancient. They're ancient. And then
Speaker 4: I really was kind of judgy because they were acting
Speaker 4: so silly and just having a great time that I
Speaker 4: was like, they should be they should act better than that.
Speaker 4: You know, they're old, they're elderly, grand elderly. And then
Speaker 4: I realized to myself, that's exactly how I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: with my friends when I go back for my four
Speaker 4: year class reunion. I'm gonna be the exact same way.
Speaker 4: Because you get back together with your friends from high
Speaker 4: school and you start reminiscing about the stuff you guys did,
Speaker 4: and then you reckon. You sort of wonder that you're
Speaker 4: not dead or paralyzed, but then you're just you kind
Speaker 4: of get taken back in time. I just remember being
Speaker 4: very judgy about that. I mean very judgy, very Texter Mandy.
Speaker 4: By resigning from the Colorado Republican Party, are you missing
Speaker 4: the opportunity to be part of a solution? Double edged sword?
Speaker 4: I know, here's the issue. The issue is not just
Speaker 4: with Dave Williams. It's really not. It's with the willingness
Speaker 4: enough members of the Central Committee to go along with
Speaker 4: what this fool wants. That demonstrates to me that there's
Speaker 4: enough of them in power positions that whatever I tried
Speaker 4: to do would immediately be shouted down, and so I'd
Speaker 4: rather sit on the outside. I actually think the only
Speaker 4: saving grace for this state from this point forward is
Speaker 4: going to be in independent candidates that have the money
Speaker 4: to get the word out and build up support initially
Speaker 4: and can run at you know, as a center right person.
Speaker 4: That's the only checker balance we're going to have on
Speaker 4: the progressive left in Colorado, because the Republican Party is
Speaker 4: just done. It's done, and you've essentially thrown your weight
Speaker 4: and your support behind a guy who has failed at
Speaker 4: every metric at his job, every single metric. Raise money, nope,
Speaker 4: Support candidates, nope. Create vacancy committees to get candidates for races, nope. Oh,
Speaker 4: let's look at the positive column. Griff didn't take it
Speaker 4: all the money that you've actually managed to rings, which
Speaker 4: is almost nothing. Check. So I don't have anything in
Speaker 4: common with the Colorado Republican Party at all, not even
Speaker 4: a little bit. Mandy, I'm heading to Peblo for a
Speaker 4: rivalry high school football game. I know the class of
Speaker 4: eighty four is celebrating their fortieth reunion this weekend. I
Speaker 4: think that's a good idea, like making your big class
Speaker 4: reunions the same weekend as homecoming or something like that.
Speaker 4: That would be really fun. Ours are always in the summer,
Speaker 4: and y'all, I cannot do Florida in the summer anymore.
Speaker 4: I can't, jeez, Louise, it's hotter than blazes there. By
Speaker 4: the way, everyone in my immediate sphere of family and
Speaker 4: friends is okay from the hurricane. Some of them had
Speaker 4: some significant damage to their homes, but otherwise everybody's all right.
Speaker 4: And they did say, and I quote, it was scary
Speaker 4: as hell, so yeah, at least that one was moving faster.
Speaker 4: Mandy was the judge a Democrat sabotaging the party, y'all?
Speaker 4: At this point, I think Dave Williams is a Democrat.
Speaker 4: I really believe. If I'm the Democratic Party and I'm
Speaker 4: some Machiavellian version of the Democratic Party, I am finding
Speaker 4: a guy like Dave Williams who's charismatic enough to get
Speaker 4: a bunch of people to follow him, even if he's
Speaker 4: an idiot, right, and then I'm gonna launch him into
Speaker 4: a political career and into a leadership position in the
Speaker 4: party and just watch him burn it all down. You
Speaker 4: won't even have to actually mount a campaign. Do you
Speaker 4: just let the Republicans just just destroy themselves, absolutely destroy themselves. Mandy,
Speaker 4: You judge, all you do is judge, hell, You to
Speaker 4: hell to hell, you judge people on the type of
Speaker 4: car they drive, You're just an ankle that's gonna leave
Speaker 4: a mark.
Speaker 10: Texter.
Speaker 4: I'm well thought out, stinger. You just fired off right there,
Speaker 4: go back and read it again and you're yes, I judge.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, y'all, you judge too. I'm just open
Speaker 4: about it. Everybody has their moments of judgment, right, everybody does.
Speaker 4: And by the way, I don't judge people on the
Speaker 4: kind of car they have, unless you're a super driver,
Speaker 4: in which you're horrible, I will judge you. There you go.
Speaker 4: In any case, Mandy, I'm inspired by you to do
Speaker 4: likewise changing my party affiliation. Is there any downside in
Speaker 4: not being a registered Republican that I'm not considering now
Speaker 4: that I can still vote in the primary? No, because
Speaker 4: if you are unaffiliated in Colorado, you get both ballots.
Speaker 4: You get a Democratic ballot, you get a Republican ballot.
Speaker 4: You only fill out one, so you can continue to
Speaker 4: vote in the Republican primary, as I plan to do,
Speaker 4: unless ranked choice voting passes, in which case all of
Speaker 4: this will turn into something much much different. And when
Speaker 4: we get back, we are going to have the first
Speaker 4: of what I hope to be many in the next
Speaker 4: couple of weeks discussions about various platform or excuse me,
Speaker 4: ballot and ititiatives. And coming up next, we've got Natalie
Speaker 4: with Pro Animal Future coming on. She is going to
Speaker 4: she is going to try and argue that Denver needs
Speaker 4: to shut down a slaughterhouse. And I'm looking forward to
Speaker 4: the conversation and we'll see if she convinces anyone in
Speaker 4: this audience. We shall see right after this. Natalie Fulton,
Speaker 4: she works with Pro Animal Future and they have two
Speaker 4: ballot initiatives on the ballot in Denver. One is Initiative
Speaker 4: three TOHO eight, and that would ban the use of
Speaker 4: fur from animals that are solely grown for the purpose
Speaker 4: of fur. Is that correct, Natalie, Oh, hang on, let
Speaker 4: grant turn your microphone. I'll go ahead.
Speaker 11: That's correct. There's some other exemptions as well. Okay, that's
Speaker 11: the gist of it.
Speaker 4: And then three oh nine would close a slaughterhouse that
Speaker 4: has been operating in Denver for a very long time,
Speaker 4: also correct.
Speaker 11: Also correct, for about seventy years. They have been polluting
Speaker 11: the city.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you to tell us a little
Speaker 4: bit about Pro Animal Future to start, so we know
Speaker 4: where you're coming from totally.
Speaker 11: So I want to start by explaining the concept of
Speaker 11: agricultural exceptionalism, which is the romanticized idea of animal farming
Speaker 11: that many people share. When we're kids, were taught old
Speaker 11: Nick Donald, head of Farm, that farmed animals have happy
Speaker 11: lives and nice deaths. This could not be further from
Speaker 11: the truth. Over ninety nine percent of animal products come
Speaker 11: from factory farms, where animals are confined on deplorable and
Speaker 11: deplorable conditions, They're denied their natural behaviors, and they're slaughtered
Speaker 11: at a small fraction of their natural lifespan. The presidential
Speaker 11: debate revealed massive inconsistencies in the way society views animals.
Speaker 11: We were horrified by the idea of eating dogs and
Speaker 11: eating cats, but scientific evidence has confirmed that the animals
Speaker 11: we eat are just as emotionally complex as the animals
Speaker 11: we love at home. We think it's time to update
Speaker 11: our morality along with that knowledge and evolve away from
Speaker 11: treating animals as objects.
Speaker 4: So ultimately, the goal of pro animal future is to
Speaker 4: have no one eat meat.
Speaker 6: That is not the goal.
Speaker 11: Our nearby goal for the next few decades is to
Speaker 11: ban factory farming in the United States. As far as
Speaker 11: eating meat, I would love to see a world where
Speaker 11: no animals are harmed for meat. The first time I
Speaker 11: went to a slaughterhouse was a pig facility in Michigan,
Speaker 11: and I watched as workers beat the pigs off the
Speaker 11: trucks they forced them inside, and then I heard the
Speaker 11: screams of pigs as they were killed in gas chambers.
Speaker 11: And I think some people could hear that story and think,
Speaker 11: you know, maybe there's just a better way to do it,
Speaker 11: And some people would think we should stop doing this completely.
Speaker 11: But the cool thing about our measures is that it's
Speaker 11: a step in the right direction for both groups, for
Speaker 11: anyone who thinks that industrialized slaughter is bad, or for
Speaker 11: anyone who thinks that we should completely move away from it.
Speaker 11: We're tackling at the factory farming level right now.
Speaker 4: So philosophically, I am on the other side of this issue.
Speaker 4: I am a carnivore. I think that our teeth structure,
Speaker 4: in our eyeplacement shows that we are predators, and therefore
Speaker 4: we are sort of biologically programmed to eat meat. And
Speaker 4: I too, have also been to a slaughterhouse. When I
Speaker 4: was ten, my dad wanted us to understand what the
Speaker 4: cycle of life was for our food. I lived in
Speaker 4: a rural area. He never wanted me to think my
Speaker 4: meat came from the grocery store, right. He always wanted
Speaker 4: us to have that connection. That's great. I also knew
Speaker 4: a lot of farmers and ranchers growing up, So I
Speaker 4: knew these people and I knew the kind of people
Speaker 4: that they were, and I was on their farms and
Speaker 4: I saw how they treated their cows, and it was
Speaker 4: a much different experience than the one you describe. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that you're what you're saying is wrong, because
Speaker 4: I am aware that there are bad actors in every industry,
Speaker 4: including farming.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, and kind of to speak to that. Over the
Speaker 11: last couple decades, animal farming has really consolidated. The average
Speaker 11: slaughterhouse is double the size that it was in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 11: These big, massive corporations have put a lot of the
Speaker 11: small farmers out of business. But even if an animal
Speaker 11: has a great life on a small farm, they're still
Speaker 11: going to be slaughtered at a small fraction of the
Speaker 11: natural lifespan. What if I had a dog and I said,
Speaker 11: I'm going to give him a great life for six
Speaker 11: months and then send him to a slaughterhouse. Would you
Speaker 11: support that?
Speaker 4: No, that's a ridiculous assertion, because the only reason that
Speaker 4: those exist is for food. We would not have the
Speaker 4: numbers of herds, we would not have the heads of
Speaker 4: cattle if we did not use them for food or
Speaker 4: get milk from them to use for food. So to
Speaker 4: say I'm going to have a pet that its purpose
Speaker 4: is much different than that of an animal, to make
Speaker 4: that comparison to me is in our culture a little
Speaker 4: bit ridiculous.
Speaker 11: I want to push back because there are many cultures
Speaker 11: where they do breed dogs just to eat that.
Speaker 4: Sure, I think ogriculture. Sure.
Speaker 11: Do you think culture is a good barometer for morality
Speaker 11: or should we look at scientific evidence? You know, there
Speaker 11: was a time in our culture where men had complete
Speaker 11: dominance over women. You and me wouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 11: be working the jobs that we have now if we
Speaker 11: just looked at culture to determine our morality. I'm saying
Speaker 11: that culture should change based on a new understanding of
Speaker 11: the world. The agriculture revolution was ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 11: Our ancestors didn't know what we know about animal sentience
Speaker 11: and behavior. They also didn't know that we can be
Speaker 11: healthy without doing this, And now that we do know
Speaker 11: of that stuff, do you think it's time to evolve
Speaker 11: with the times.
Speaker 4: I think it should be a matter of personal choice,
Speaker 4: and I think the agenda behind this, quite frankly, is
Speaker 4: to make meat so expensive by shutting down the available
Speaker 4: slaughterhouses in our area, that it becomes out of reach
Speaker 4: by design for a lot of people.
Speaker 11: Animal agriculture receives billions of dollars in government subsidies every
Speaker 11: single year. Without this government support, animal products would cost
Speaker 11: two to four times more than they currently do. A
Speaker 11: big mac would be thirteen dollars. This industry is already
Speaker 11: supported by the government. The average dairy farm hasn't been profitable.
Speaker 11: It's only been profitable for two years in the last
Speaker 11: twenty years because of all the government support that they get.
Speaker 11: The only reason so many people eat meat is because
Speaker 11: it's artificially lowered, and our measures would only affect right
Speaker 11: now the cost of lamb, which is already a premium
Speaker 11: meat that low income people cannot afford.
Speaker 4: So stee but that's a very that's a very nanny
Speaker 4: state answer, because ultimately you're saying we've already priced it
Speaker 4: out of the market. The nanty state is telling other
Speaker 4: people the choices they should make. Yeah, that's what you're
Speaker 4: trying to set up, though. That's the endgame is to
Speaker 4: make it impossible for more people to be able to
Speaker 4: afford a premium meat. That's the end game here.
Speaker 11: The endgame is to eliminate the factory farming system. But
Speaker 11: let me ask you this. We agree that humans should
Speaker 11: have a choice, should animals not have a choice?
Speaker 4: And humans on the same level, on the same level.
Speaker 11: I don't have to because it's not the choice between
Speaker 11: humans and animals. I put pigs, chickens, and cows at
Speaker 11: the same level as dogs and cats because that's what
Speaker 11: the scientific evidence shows. Do you think that we should
Speaker 11: take what they want into account?
Speaker 4: You know, here's the thing about that specifically. I have
Speaker 4: a dog. I love my dog. I absolutely love my dog.
Speaker 4: But if I were starving, I would eat my dog
Speaker 4: for the same say it is, I mean, it's like.
Speaker 11: But I understand, but none of us is starving right now.
Speaker 4: Farms.
Speaker 11: We are trying to ban factory farms, but superior farms.
Speaker 11: The industrial slaughterhouse, the largest industrial lampslaughterhouse in the US,
Speaker 11: is the face of factory farming. Here in Denver. Industrial
Speaker 11: slaughterhouses and factory farms are part of the same supply chain.
Speaker 11: There are no factory farms in Denver. Since we're from here,
Speaker 11: we have a lot of local activists here, we wanted
Speaker 11: to run a campaign in Denver. So we're tackling the
Speaker 11: industrial slaughterhouse here because it's part of that same system.
Speaker 4: And what about the people that get tossed out of
Speaker 4: work who have already come out and said, look, they
Speaker 4: take really good care of us. We've been here for
Speaker 4: over a decade, and our jobs are going to go
Speaker 4: the jobs that we like.
Speaker 11: We included a provision in the legislation for the City
Speaker 11: of Denver to prioritize affected workers in their employment assistance program.
Speaker 11: But I do not think that we should trust the
Speaker 11: people who currently work there because they're mostly management. We
Speaker 11: should be asking the people who work on the kill floor.
Speaker 11: And we've interviewed former workers, and one former worker told
Speaker 11: us that the number one thing he wants people in
Speaker 11: Denver to know about is the animal cruelty. There was
Speaker 11: also a lawsuit in twenty twenty one where Muslim employees
Speaker 11: sued Superior Farms for racial and religious discrimination. They were
Speaker 11: called racial slurs over the intercom and that is unacceptable behavior.
Speaker 4: We should win eating from that lawsuit. What happened, it
Speaker 4: was settled. It was settled. So but do you think
Speaker 4: perhaps if that was settled, that situation has been fixed
Speaker 4: because the same slaughterhouse was just cited by the EPA
Speaker 4: for potential potential releases of ammonium gas and in response,
Speaker 4: they're paying a fine and they're going above and beyond
Speaker 4: what the EPA is doing and adding two hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars worth of redundancies to ensure that what
Speaker 4: didn't happen but the EPA said could would not happen.
Speaker 11: The EPA investigation actually showed that they were mishandling anhydrous ammonia,
Speaker 11: which is a very dangerous chemical. Superior Farms has claimed
Speaker 11: for the last year that they were doing everything correctly.
Speaker 11: This new report shows that they were.
Speaker 4: Lying about that.
Speaker 11: They're lying about that, why should we trust them about
Speaker 11: the other things?
Speaker 4: They say, Well, everybody who's being fined by the EPA
Speaker 4: is going to say they didn't do it. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's a pretty standard response. Nobody immediately capitulates.
Speaker 11: They said that they were mishandling the ammonia and now
Speaker 11: they're fixing it. So why were they claiming that they
Speaker 11: were doing everything correctly for the last year when this
Speaker 11: shows that's not the case. We also have the Clean
Speaker 11: Water Act violations which have been going on for over
Speaker 11: four years. But I want to go back to the
Speaker 11: jobs question. I think that we all have a line
Speaker 11: with animal cruelty. Let's say it we're nineteen seventy four
Speaker 11: and dog fighting was talking about being banned. Would you
Speaker 11: support keeping dog fighting?
Speaker 4: You keep throwing up in comparisons designed to evoke an
Speaker 4: emotional response instead of talking about the reality, which is
Speaker 4: this is a legal product which people want to consume.
Speaker 4: Your organization is trying to make it prohibitively expensive and
Speaker 4: then shut down the farming that makes meat affordable in
Speaker 4: the first place.
Speaker 11: So you're theaters uncomfortable with the way animals are treated
Speaker 11: on factory farms and its det waterhouses. They feel like
Speaker 11: it's a really hard choice to not eat meat because
Speaker 11: of the way our society is structured. That's why we're
Speaker 11: tackling this at a systemic issue. Forty nine percent of
Speaker 11: Americans want to ban factory farms.
Speaker 4: I follow up question too those people and if your
Speaker 4: meat costs double, would you still be in favor of
Speaker 4: banning it? I guarantee you that number would drop considerably.
Speaker 11: Do you think that it's acceptable for animals to be
Speaker 11: confined by the hundreds of thousands in sheds where twenty
Speaker 11: five percent of them die before they even reach the slaughterhouse.
Speaker 4: I buy my meat from a rancher that is doing things,
Speaker 4: cows grazing, things of that nature. I try to be
Speaker 4: a responsible consumer, but ultimately I have to trust other
Speaker 4: consumers to make those choices. I think that if you
Speaker 4: want to be a vegan and make animal rights at
Speaker 4: the center of your life, I think that's fantastic, absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4: But when you start to try to put people out
Speaker 4: of work, you try to use violations from other different
Speaker 4: slaughterhouses in California, not then slaughterhouse, not use specifically in
Speaker 4: the news media. There's things going around that you're trying
Speaker 4: to use things in California.
Speaker 11: There's no evidence of us doing that. The one in
Speaker 11: California is the same company, and an investigation revealed lamps
Speaker 11: being kicked front around, suffering well before they died.
Speaker 4: But that hasn't happened here.
Speaker 11: We have evidence based on testimonials that there are many
Speaker 11: animal welfare violations at the plant in Denver. We don't
Speaker 11: have video evidence, but I don't see why it would
Speaker 11: be different. If it's the same company and there's so
Speaker 11: much worker testimonial corroborating that investigation.
Speaker 4: Well, perhaps go at it from that point of view,
Speaker 4: but I'm a firm no on both of these. Weginion
Speaker 4: to get to three eight.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 11: Notoriously cruel. They also confine wild animals for their entire lives,
Speaker 11: and every fall their bludgeon to death or gas to
Speaker 11: preserve the product. Over ninety percent of fur comes from
Speaker 11: fur factory farms. It's unnecessary animal cruelty. We have alternative materials,
Speaker 11: just like dogfighting is unnecessary entertainment. This is unnecessary animal cruelty,
Speaker 11: and we should evolve beyond it. Because you're right that
Speaker 11: humans are different from other animals. We have moral agency.
Speaker 11: We can make choices based on right and wrong and
Speaker 11: based on our understanding of the world. Now that we
Speaker 11: know that these animals are suffering massively in these places,
Speaker 11: it's time for us to evolve away from treating them
Speaker 11: like objects.
Speaker 4: Natalie, you are a fine advocate for your position.
Speaker 11: Thank you. You really are.
Speaker 4: You are a fine advocate. I still think you're wrong,
Speaker 4: but I think you are a fine advocate for your position,
Speaker 4: and I very much appreciate you coming in today to
Speaker 4: make your case. You might have changed someone's mind.
Speaker 7: You never know.
Speaker 4: We'll just see what happened. Just on the vote.
Speaker 11: Sing a little song for you before we are, but
Speaker 11: we're very late.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know that song.
Speaker 11: Eight six seven five three oh nah yea. Iine vote yes.
Speaker 11: I'm three eight I'm three oh nah ye ie. Just
Speaker 11: so everyone can remember, vote yes for animals this November
Speaker 11: if you want to see a better future for everyone.
Speaker 4: That is Natalie Fulton with pro I'm sorry, pro animal future, Natalie,
Speaker 4: thank you. We'll be right batch. I have to say
Speaker 4: I really appreciate someone as passionate about what they're talking
Speaker 4: about as Natalie is, and I think she did a
Speaker 4: really good job representing the yes on three oh eight
Speaker 4: or three oh nine vote. The problem is is that
Speaker 4: you guys, I'm from a rural area. I grew up
Speaker 4: with the people who grew and raised cattle for food,
Speaker 4: and my own experience is far different. It's like the
Speaker 4: cattle ranchers here who get villified for daring to say, hey,
Speaker 4: I don't want new wolves to kill my cattle. They're
Speaker 4: vilified as somehow these horrible people, and I just I,
Speaker 4: you know, I know that there are horrible people who
Speaker 4: probably work in slaughterhouses, but not all people who work
Speaker 4: in slaughterhouses are horrible people. So it's very challenging. In addition,
Speaker 4: just for a moment, you guys, we have incisors and molars,
Speaker 4: which means that we are not just herbivores, we are omnivores.
Speaker 4: We are supposed to eat everything. Our eyes are in
Speaker 4: the front of our head, which means we are predators.
Speaker 4: We are not prey. So there's just little things. There's
Speaker 4: amino acids that you can only get from meat. And
Speaker 4: if you don't want to eat meat, if animals are
Speaker 4: the most centered part of your entire life, I say
Speaker 4: bully for you. Congratulations. I'm happy you have something that
Speaker 4: moves you in that way. But I had a steak
Speaker 4: last night, and I'm probably gonna have one tonight. You know, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm just that's and I might have lamb because it
Speaker 4: sounds delicious now that we've been talking about. Just kidding,
Speaker 4: I actually got fish yesterday, a whole foods I'm having
Speaker 4: for dinner tonight. Just kidding. A lot of you are
Speaker 4: annoyed that they're trying to shut down a legal, private business,
Speaker 4: but that's how it works. If you want no one
Speaker 4: to be able to eat meat, the fastest way to
Speaker 4: do that is to make sure they can't afford meat.
Speaker 4: This text and then I got to take a break, Hey, Mandy.
Speaker 4: According to the Cato Institute Free Market think Take, most
Speaker 4: direct subsidies are for large producers of corn, soybean, wheat, cotton,
Speaker 4: and rice, not for livestock producers or fruit and vegetable growers.
Speaker 4: About one third of the nation's two million farms receive
Speaker 4: regular subsidies, although the ratio is higher for larger farms.
Speaker 4: Factory farming, not perfect, is what allows people to eat
Speaker 4: at reasonable costs. Exactly right, Texter, Thanks for sharing. We
Speaker 4: will be back.
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Speaker 4: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second hour of the show.
Speaker 4: I was trying to skip forward in time, but I
Speaker 4: would then miss my next guest who is joining me,
Speaker 4: Kent Theory, is one of the people behind the rank
Speaker 4: choice voting initiative here on the ballot. He's been Kent,
Speaker 4: You've been very busy over the last few years sort
Speaker 4: of reshaping how politics has been going. You were behind
Speaker 4: the ballot initiative to open the primaries. You've been behind
Speaker 4: other ballot initiatives that have that have really had a
Speaker 4: big impact on Colorado. We won't talk about the Allegory
Speaker 4: amendment right now, although I did already tell him I'm
Speaker 4: kind of mad at him about that one, because rank
Speaker 4: choice voting is something that I I have been very
Speaker 4: open on the show about vacillating.
Speaker 5: Back and forth.
Speaker 4: I sort of you know, and I kind of wanted
Speaker 4: to give you the opportunity to give a solid primmer
Speaker 4: on what this ballot initiative actually does, how our system
Speaker 4: would work if it passes, and then why we can
Speaker 4: get into the why we need to do this or
Speaker 4: we don't whatever after that, but let's start with what
Speaker 4: it actually does.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Well, thank you Mandy for shedding some light on this
Speaker 12: subject because it's so important. What it does is it
Speaker 12: establishes a very tidy, integrated, three step process step one
Speaker 12: and all candidate primary, everybody on one ballot and with
Speaker 12: their party affiliation number two. The top four advance from
Speaker 12: that all candidate primary. Step three you got to get
Speaker 12: you got to earn a majority of support, and we
Speaker 12: do that through ranked voting. So Step one, all candidate
Speaker 12: prime Mary all of us voters vote for one person.
Speaker 11: Step two.
Speaker 8: Four of those advanced, which creates tremendous diversity.
Speaker 12: You don't just get the fire left and fire right,
Speaker 12: but you get center right, and center left and maybe
Speaker 12: even center center. So you're giving much more choice to
Speaker 12: that third step, which is a general election where we say, hey,
Speaker 12: to become an elected official in Colorado, earn a majority
Speaker 12: of support, and rather than having a runoff election costing
Speaker 12: millions of dollars a month after the normal election like
Speaker 12: they do in many states, we would achieve it through
Speaker 12: ranked voting, which is something that already exists in sixty
Speaker 12: four political jurisdictions across America.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you to clarify what happens, because
Speaker 4: I think the primary ballot is easy to understand. You
Speaker 4: cast one vote on the primary ballot, and if your
Speaker 4: person is among the top four vote getters in that primary,
Speaker 4: you were going to see them on your general election ballot.
Speaker 4: So let's say we've got candidates ABC and D, just
Speaker 4: to keep it simple, and candidate A. No candidate gets
Speaker 4: over fifty in the first go round, Okay, so we'll
Speaker 4: just go in. A came in first place, D came
Speaker 4: in second place. C came in third place, D came
Speaker 4: in fourth place. Okay, So what happens when candidate A
Speaker 4: is at forty percent and all the other candidates are less?
Speaker 4: What happens at that point?
Speaker 12: Yeah, So at that point, since no one has demonstrated
Speaker 12: to a majority of people that they're preferred, then you
Speaker 12: go to the person who is in fourth place, in
Speaker 12: last place, and that person Das and Dog gets taken out.
Speaker 12: At that point, they've lost. Just like losing in a
Speaker 12: primary in the currencyste you lose, you don't get to advance.
Speaker 12: And so number four, whoever that is, goes away, and
Speaker 12: any of any of Das and dogs voters who indicated
Speaker 12: a number two choice their vote gets reallocated to that
Speaker 12: number two choice, and then you see if anybody gets
Speaker 12: over fifty percent from that.
Speaker 8: If you do, you stop right there.
Speaker 12: If not, you then take their placed person and reallocate
Speaker 12: their number two votes and then you automatically are going
Speaker 12: to get a winner because at that point someone's going
Speaker 12: to have over fifty percent.
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is one of those things that as
Speaker 4: a person, and I've also been open with my audience
Speaker 4: about the fact that in two thousand I voted for
Speaker 4: Ralph Nader because I was voting for the viability of
Speaker 4: a third party candidate.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So I'm not opposed to anything that shakes up the
Speaker 4: two party system. But the biggest concern that I have
Speaker 4: seen on the against side is that this destroys the
Speaker 4: two party system. How do you respond to that?
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I'm more conservative than you on this one,
Speaker 12: because I actually am very nervous about moving away from
Speaker 12: the two party system, and I think what we're doing
Speaker 12: is going to save it.
Speaker 8: The fact is the two.
Speaker 12: Party system has been losing customers at an amazing clip.
Speaker 12: Half of Colorado voters are now independent, more than Democrats
Speaker 12: and Republicans combined, and the numbers going up higher and higher.
Speaker 12: Sixty four percent of young adults under age thirty five
Speaker 12: are independence, and eighty five percent of Generation Z says
Speaker 12: that neither party has anything to offer them, and so
Speaker 12: I actually believe that as opposed to what's happening with
Speaker 12: the two parties now, where they're becoming more and more
Speaker 12: extreme to to the left and the right, they're building
Speaker 12: higher and higher fences over smaller and smaller parties. We're
Speaker 12: going to end up with new parties if they don't
Speaker 12: become more attractive to a majority of the voters.
Speaker 4: So this is where this is what I The next
Speaker 4: question I'm going to ask you is what I love
Speaker 4: about the potential of ranked choice voting. But even as
Speaker 4: I talk about the potential, I also think to myself,
Speaker 4: you know, socialism sounds great on paper, but the reality
Speaker 4: of socialism is much different than the paper version of socialism,
Speaker 4: and I have concerns about ranked choice voting. I want
Speaker 4: to talk specifically about what happened in Alaska, because this
Speaker 4: is immediately the thing that gets brought up. In Alaska.
Speaker 4: They had two Republicans running against one Democrat. The two
Speaker 4: Republicans went at.
Speaker 12: It in the.
Speaker 4: Primary, and the losing primary candidate their voters did not
Speaker 4: vote for the Republican in the general, and a Democrat
Speaker 4: ends up winning a House seat for Alaska, which is
Speaker 4: really crazy, just really crazy. How do you explain to
Speaker 4: people that this is not going to gain the system
Speaker 4: in that way to where if you have three Republicans
Speaker 4: running and one Democrat running, the Republicans are not just
Speaker 4: going to eat each other.
Speaker 12: Yeah, now, this one has been so misrepresentative and misunderstood,
Speaker 12: So I'm glad you're bringing it up first, Mary Peltola.
Speaker 8: That Democrat that got in actually.
Speaker 12: Got more first place votes than the other two candidates
Speaker 12: right away from the first round. But put that aside
Speaker 12: for a moment. Alaska is misunderstood. Alaska only has twenty
Speaker 12: eight percent of their voters registered Republican. Now that's twice
Speaker 12: as many as our registered Democrats there's fourteen. But fifty
Speaker 12: five percent of Alaska voters are fiercely independent.
Speaker 8: And the reason it's viewed as this.
Speaker 12: Rock solid Republican state is because they had closed primaries,
Speaker 12: and so the two parties, even though they had less
Speaker 12: than fifty percent of the voters.
Speaker 8: Got to set all the rules of the game, and
Speaker 8: that led to Republican domination.
Speaker 12: So what happened in that general election is the Democratic
Speaker 12: candidate appealed, not the two Republicans were still focused on
Speaker 12: the twenty eight percent plus some of the independents who
Speaker 12: always vote Republicans, So they were kind of focused on
Speaker 12: the thirty five percent that were safe Republicans, and they
Speaker 12: let her focus on the other sixty five percent of
Speaker 12: the population.
Speaker 8: And so they learned a lesson.
Speaker 12: Because one of the great things about ranked voting is
Speaker 12: that you've got it represent the entire electorate, and it
Speaker 12: makes sense for you to to be thoughtful with them
Speaker 12: and sensitive to them because they can determine why or
Speaker 12: not you get re elected.
Speaker 4: So essentially, and this is kind of how I have
Speaker 4: have viewed it from the outside looking in. The two
Speaker 4: Republican candidates didn't get they didn't pay attention to the
Speaker 4: new rules of the game, because ultimately, the real positive
Speaker 4: for me and ranked choice voting is the potential to
Speaker 4: change the way campaigns are run. Because to your point,
Speaker 4: you can no longer just focus on the tiny, little
Speaker 4: and getting smaller Republican or Democratic Party here in Colorado,
Speaker 4: you have no choice but to campaign to everyone. So
Speaker 4: I love that aspect of it. But how long do
Speaker 4: you think it takes kent for politicians, political systems, political
Speaker 4: consultants to figure out the new rules of the game.
Speaker 4: What kind of growing pains are we looking at here.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, certainly there won't be zero. That's not the
Speaker 12: way democracies work. I mean, when women's suffrage was put in,
Speaker 12: when when minority voters were allowed, I.
Speaker 8: Mean, all these things there are.
Speaker 12: It's clearly the right direction to go, but there's always
Speaker 12: some speed bumps. But the factors elected officials are really
Speaker 12: quick on this stuff, as much as those two Republicans
Speaker 12: for some reason didn't seem to really get it. So
Speaker 12: let's talk about the Alaska state legislature, which had been
Speaker 12: totally gridlocked for over a decade.
Speaker 8: They actually formed a bipartisan.
Speaker 12: Majority governing caucus d's and rs to together, and they
Speaker 12: didn't even invite the French left in the French right,
Speaker 12: they said, you guys have been holding us back for
Speaker 12: a decade with not wanting to compromise on anything. So
Speaker 12: they offentually essentially formed almost a new party, and that
Speaker 12: group is working together because now to get re elected,
Speaker 12: the path is to get stuff done, as opposed to
Speaker 12: performative art, where you want to demonstrate how you never compromise.
Speaker 12: And so in Alaska, a majority of the state legislature
Speaker 12: changed its demeanor and its practices overnight and they got
Speaker 12: to buy d get done in record time that hadn't
Speaker 12: been done for a decade, And there are other things
Speaker 12: like that, and so elected officials are pretty damned sensitive
Speaker 12: to the incentive system.
Speaker 4: So I got a bunch of questions on our tech
Speaker 4: line because let's kind of do these as quickly as possible,
Speaker 4: but thoroughly as possible, because these are all good questions.
Speaker 4: One of them is from Benita. Ask him how you
Speaker 4: would audit ranked choice voting? How would that process work?
Speaker 12: Yeah, this is where I'd have to have our elections
Speaker 12: experts give a technically satisfactory answer. What I cantenue to
Speaker 12: tell you is that there's existing methodology and technology to
Speaker 12: do it. It's been on multiple times. It exists out there.
Speaker 12: And the great thing that's happened now that there's sixty
Speaker 12: four places doing ranked voting across the country is there's
Speaker 12: an entire ecosystem of promolo support groups for voter education, material,
Speaker 12: for marketing material, for technology enhancements. And the good news
Speaker 12: for Colorado is ninety eight percent of our companies are
Speaker 12: already have the necessary technology in house and will help
Speaker 12: the other two percent.
Speaker 4: So we already have the ability to do this, like
Speaker 4: we have the technology and we can make this.
Speaker 8: Happen absolutely Now.
Speaker 12: It takes hard work, and we want to develop, with
Speaker 12: the clerks a very significant and thoughtful implementation plan. We're
Speaker 12: already in conversations with the governor and going through what
Speaker 12: should be the line item and his proposed budget that
Speaker 12: would include millions of dollars for supporting the clerks. So
Speaker 12: I'm not saying it's easy. But we did Vork by mail.
Speaker 12: A lot of people said, oh my god, that's going
Speaker 12: to lead to a cluster. We pulled it off well.
Speaker 12: In twenty sixteen we did the semi open primaries, Oh
Speaker 12: my gosh, everybody said this is too risky, you can't
Speaker 12: do audits.
Speaker 8: So all they were wrong again. So this one is
Speaker 8: no more or less difficult. You've got to be on
Speaker 8: your game, you've got to have resources, but it's totally doable.
Speaker 4: A lot of people on the text line are sending
Speaker 4: some variation of are you trying to meant democrat power
Speaker 4: in Colorado forever? Because their concern is and I'm going
Speaker 4: to use the first Congressional district as an example because
Speaker 4: it is reliably Democrat and my friend Valdemar Archiletta outstanding
Speaker 4: candidate on the Republican side. He is fighting a don
Speaker 4: Quixote like quest in that district just because of the
Speaker 4: makeup of the district. So it stands to reason that
Speaker 4: if you have an open primary, there could be four
Speaker 4: Democrats that come out of that primary race. How do
Speaker 4: you address that concern?
Speaker 12: Yeah, here's what's it would be amusing if it wasn't
Speaker 12: such a serious topic. I just had an hour long
Speaker 12: debate with the head of the Democratic Party in here
Speaker 12: in Colorado and the lead attorney, and they are petrified
Speaker 12: that passing this will take away their super majority status
Speaker 12: because we're going to put more and more power back
Speaker 12: in the voter's hands and put voters in the middle center, left, center,
Speaker 12: right and center, put their voice and choice back in
Speaker 12: the game. And it's so ironic that we have on
Speaker 12: the one hand, Dave Williams and Lauren Bobert against us
Speaker 12: on the Republican side, and then the head of the
Speaker 12: Democratic Party on the Democratic side.
Speaker 8: And so that's kind of.
Speaker 12: How we know we're doing it right, and we're focused
Speaker 12: on the voters because party leaders on each side now
Speaker 12: at the same time, there's a number of hard core
Speaker 12: partisans who have endorsed this, including Governor Polis and where
Speaker 12: Mike Johnston from Denver on the Democratic side, and on
Speaker 12: the Republican side, people like Dick Wadhams, who was the
Speaker 12: Republican Party chair for the entire state and ran a
Speaker 12: bulk of the successful Republican campaigns.
Speaker 8: He's on the team as well because he.
Speaker 12: Thinks this could be to step forward to actually restore
Speaker 12: relevance for the Republican Party.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you answered the question specifically.
Speaker 4: I mean, and I've kind of been bouncing this around.
Speaker 4: There are districts that there's almost a zero percent chance
Speaker 4: the Republican's going to win in the general anyway. So
Speaker 4: this would just kind kind of allow you, as a
Speaker 4: right leaning person to at least have a say in.
Speaker 4: You know, you could vote for your Republican candidate first
Speaker 4: and then vote for the least crazy on the other side,
Speaker 4: or vice versa. You have that opportunity. That for me
Speaker 4: is the thing that you know, I'm trying to make
Speaker 4: a point of.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, I hear what you're saying. I apologize for
Speaker 8: going down a parallel path, but what you say is
Speaker 8: exactly true.
Speaker 12: A district that's dominantly Democratic should elect a Democratic person
Speaker 12: and the one that's dominantly Republicans should But what happens
Speaker 12: in the real world is exactly what you just said.
Speaker 12: Let's say there's a district is sixty five to thirty
Speaker 12: five Democrat over Republican, and so that thirty five percent
Speaker 12: their first vote will be for Mandy Conham because that's
Speaker 12: their favorite Republican. Their number two vote, they're going to say, hmm,
Speaker 12: I'd much rather have sort of an amy Klobe, you're
Speaker 12: sort of person, not a Bernie Sanders, and so my
Speaker 12: number two vote is going to be for the moderate Democrat.
Speaker 12: Well that's very powerful because it means that you're not
Speaker 12: permanently disenfranchising the minority party in that district.
Speaker 8: They actually have a voice.
Speaker 12: And if you're the moderate Democratic state senator, for example,
Speaker 12: you don't have to just run to Bernie Sanders to
Speaker 12: try to get votes. Suddenly, you market yourself and you
Speaker 12: listen to all the people in the minority because they're
Speaker 12: very relevant for you. And I talked to one of
Speaker 12: our state senators just a couple of days ago who
Speaker 12: had an actual competitive race and went door to door
Speaker 12: and it literally changed her perspective on some policies by
Speaker 12: her going and knocking on the Republican doors.
Speaker 8: And the independent doors. Not just a democratic she said.
Speaker 12: She said, if I win, I'm going to be a
Speaker 12: way better leader because now I spent time listening to
Speaker 12: them kind of for selfish reasons, but.
Speaker 8: I got a lot out of it.
Speaker 4: I have a follow up question on how the ranked
Speaker 4: choice votes are counted, and this one seems like an
Speaker 4: interesting question, Mandy, what happens of all the second choice
Speaker 4: on candidate C went to candidate D when they were eliminated,
Speaker 4: then there was so then you, I mean, how does
Speaker 4: that work if you don't I mean, you would have
Speaker 4: to have a clear majority though, if you cleared out
Speaker 4: two candidates, right, No, I guess it could be fifty
Speaker 4: to fifty.
Speaker 12: Well, but fifty fifty exactly only happens about one out
Speaker 12: of every twenty thousand elections.
Speaker 8: Yeah, once you get to where you're eliminating, you've eliminate
Speaker 8: number four.
Speaker 12: You want to eliminate number three? Yeah, you're guaranteed to
Speaker 12: get a majority with someone.
Speaker 4: Okay, Also, let me get some I've got a bunch
Speaker 4: of questions coming in here, Mandy. I'm sorry to harp
Speaker 4: on this, But what he's describing is bolder and the
Speaker 4: more popular moderate Democrat lost because of ranked choice voting.
Speaker 4: And I'm talking about Bob Yates. He should have won
Speaker 4: easily and he lost because of ranked choice voting, and
Speaker 4: the progressives, the radical progressives, beat him with ranked choice
Speaker 4: voting scam. So I know that somebody's brought the Bob
Speaker 4: Yates situation to your attention, and it almost it does
Speaker 4: kind of seem like the whole we're going to get
Speaker 4: the moderated it failed. What do you attribute that to?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean there's hundreds of elections in our state
Speaker 12: every year, and in any system, you're going to have
Speaker 12: some anomalies.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just it's the nature of the beast.
Speaker 12: And I don't know enough about that campaign to know
Speaker 12: exactly how the different competitors didn't in fact campaign. But
Speaker 12: what I do know is that this system requires that
Speaker 12: you get a majority support, and there's almost no way
Speaker 12: to gain anything given you have to get to that majority.
Speaker 8: It either exists or it doesn't.
Speaker 12: It's not like Top two in California, which is a
Speaker 12: flawed system, because you can gain it with Top four,
Speaker 12: and you need that majority I've never yet had anyone
Speaker 12: be able to describe to me a real world scenario
Speaker 12: where someone gained it and succeeded.
Speaker 8: And I've I mean, I've been.
Speaker 12: On this trail for six months asking the question because
Speaker 12: I'm sure it's happened somewhere, but not a single opponent
Speaker 12: has ever been able to cite.
Speaker 8: A single example of gaming.
Speaker 4: All right, last comment, and I'll let you respond, and
Speaker 4: then we've got to wrap it up. No rank choice voting.
Speaker 4: I do not want to see two Democrats in the
Speaker 4: general for governor or senator. I want both Republican and
Speaker 4: Democrat policies to have their voices. How do you respond
Speaker 4: to that?
Speaker 12: That's why we feel so strong about top four that
Speaker 12: in our state, at least in the next fifty years,
Speaker 12: there's never going to be a case where one party
Speaker 12: would get all the top four spots.
Speaker 8: And if it does happen, it doesn't it means the other.
Speaker 12: Party has virtually no support, correct, in which case they
Speaker 12: don't deserve to be in the ballot. So just like
Speaker 12: why I can't comment on the Bowler situation, you know,
Speaker 12: in a highly liberal spot or a highly conservative spot,
Speaker 12: that's what they are. That outcome is appropriate. We're not
Speaker 12: trying to make moderates everywhere. And I'll close this for this, Mandy.
Speaker 12: It's not that we're looking for a world where every
Speaker 12: candidate lives in the middle. What we're looking for is
Speaker 12: a world where every candidate is willing to meet in
Speaker 12: the middle when common sense dictates on things like immigration,
Speaker 12: where the people would have reached a consensus compromise twenty
Speaker 12: years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kent theory. I appreciate what you're trying to do here.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be putting my voter Voter Guide out
Speaker 4: on Monday, but considering the disastrous state of the current
Speaker 4: Republican Party, I'm relatively certain at this point it's a
Speaker 4: yes for me.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: That won't help you because my endorsement is the kiss
Speaker 4: of death, but I'm just letting you know for what
Speaker 4: it's worth, I'm convinced I'm ready to shake things up
Speaker 4: and I'm ready to do something different because what we're
Speaker 4: doing now clearly is not working.
Speaker 5: Ken.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate your time today.
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, Mandy so much.
Speaker 12: And I agree that this is a time where the
Speaker 12: status quo is broken and America needs to step up.
Speaker 8: And fix it.
Speaker 4: All Right, that's Kent theory. Thank you Kent. We will
Speaker 4: be back right after this. Let me just read this
Speaker 4: one text message from our Common Spirit health text line. Hey, Mandy,
Speaker 4: that guy buzzwords told me all I need to know
Speaker 4: about him. The fringe right. Who's that? I'm not a
Speaker 4: Trump fan, but my word, who's fringe right?
Speaker 5: Who is that?
Speaker 4: Exactly? I know the fringe left exists, and I think
Speaker 4: they want to use ranked choice voting to entrench their scheme,
Speaker 4: which is a one party state, one party state where
Speaker 4: they lie and say that independence just love them. So okay,
Speaker 4: so you're willing to admit there's the fringe left, but
Speaker 4: the notion of a fringe right is you can't figure
Speaker 4: out who that is. Well, let me tell you that
Speaker 4: is here in Colorado. That's Tina Peters, that is Ron Hanks.
Speaker 4: That is all the people running around without evidence telling
Speaker 4: people that they are they have all this evidence that
Speaker 4: the election was stolen about not being willing to present
Speaker 4: the evidence. That's the fringe right. Nick twintis the white
Speaker 4: supremacist wing of the right wing. Those are the fringe right.
Speaker 4: They're just as fringing, just as crazy as the fringe
Speaker 4: left and right choice voting is designed to allow the
Speaker 4: people in the middle to say, yeah, that's not okay
Speaker 4: with us. We don't want to reward the candidates who
Speaker 4: ran as far to the left or as far to
Speaker 4: the right as they could in the primary, only to
Speaker 4: try and moderate themselves in the general election. Which candidate
Speaker 4: is real, It's honestly exactly like the candidacy of Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris twenty nineteen. She was as far left to the
Speaker 4: left of Bernie Sanders, and now when asked about it,
Speaker 4: she just says, my values haven't changed. I grew up
Speaker 4: in the middle class. Everyone took care of their lawns.
Speaker 4: My values said not to Well, okay, then, so your
Speaker 4: policy positions haven't changed. But see, we don't get to
Speaker 4: ask her questions because well, she's amazing and full of
Speaker 4: joy so we're just full of joyfulness, not questions. Hey, Mandy,
Speaker 4: Tina Peters, and Ron Hanks just lost and it didn't
Speaker 4: tank rank choice voting to push them out. And by
Speaker 4: the way, I do agree with you on that. I
Speaker 4: tend to forget about them because they're so insignificant. They're
Speaker 4: not insignificant. That wing is running the Republican Party in Colorado, right, now,
Speaker 4: right this very minute. Dave Williams, who walked out of
Speaker 4: the convention in twenty sixteen because he was so anti Trump,
Speaker 4: then decided to loot the treasury to support his own
Speaker 4: congressional race, where he got his ass kicked. Now what
Speaker 4: if he'd made it through in that congressional race, he
Speaker 4: would have most certainly been a member of Congress. And
Speaker 4: if it wasn't for people on the right working to
Speaker 4: defeat him, he would have been able to walk into
Speaker 4: office because he appealed to the fringiest part of the fringe.
Speaker 4: And that's how you get elected in a primary where
Speaker 4: only seventeen eighteen percent of people even vote. That's the
Speaker 4: other thing, you, guys, So few people vote in the prime.
Speaker 4: But if you had a sense that the primary is
Speaker 4: actually meant something, and if you're truly a person in
Speaker 4: the center, and there's a person on the right that's
Speaker 4: running that you really really like, but there's a person
Speaker 4: in the Democratic Party that you also think is pretty
Speaker 4: reasonable and you could get behind. If we do this
Speaker 4: rank choice voting system, both of them will be on
Speaker 4: your ballot, so you can choose in the primary and
Speaker 4: hope that the other one makes it and then in
Speaker 4: the general election you can possibly choose two completely different
Speaker 4: parties as you're one and two. Now do I see
Speaker 4: that happening right away?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 4: I do not, because we are incredibly polarized in our
Speaker 4: world right now, and I think for many people on
Speaker 4: the right it is like EW Democrats, for many people
Speaker 4: on the left ew Republicans. But I think as politicians
Speaker 4: begin to adapt to the new reality and start walking
Speaker 4: around and listening to people and finding out their hopes
Speaker 4: and fears and what kind of solutions they're looking to problems,
Speaker 4: I think that would change. You know, when we were
Speaker 4: in Switzerland last year, we had a long conversation with
Speaker 4: the guy who was driving around us, driving us around
Speaker 4: in a tuck tuck while we eat fondo. We had
Speaker 4: long conversation about politics, and he said, in Switzerland they
Speaker 4: have like thirty or forty parties. You never vote based
Speaker 4: on party identification. You just don't because sometimes parties you
Speaker 4: will agree with them on this issue, but you won't
Speaker 4: agree with them on that issue. So people in Switzerland
Speaker 4: don't see themselves as part of a political party. They
Speaker 4: see themselves as a Swiss citizen. So you may vote
Speaker 4: for one party in this election because they're doing the
Speaker 4: right thing for the thing you're the most passionate about.
Speaker 4: You may vote for another party in the next election.
Speaker 4: Your entire ballot could be for completely different parties in
Speaker 4: every single race. Now, don't get me wrong, I think
Speaker 4: there's a level of chaos in that that may be
Speaker 4: a little unmanageable for most people. But wouldn't you rather
Speaker 4: have options that you felt good about, multiple choices where
Speaker 4: you're like, you know what. It's kind of like what
Speaker 4: I tell people in Denver right in the general election,
Speaker 4: if you go vote for the Republican for mayor of Denver,
Speaker 4: I just don't see a republic And winning in Denver
Speaker 4: for a very long time. But then, wouldn't it be
Speaker 4: nice if in a ranked choice voting for the mayor
Speaker 4: of Denver, you had the opportunity to vote for the
Speaker 4: least crazy Democrat with number two. Wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 4: In all of these places where Republicans are hopelessly outnumbered,
Speaker 4: you would actually have a say and who was likely
Speaker 4: to get elected without feeling like you wasted your vote
Speaker 4: voting for someone that's not likely to get elected. I
Speaker 4: just I don't think the system is that complicated. I
Speaker 4: just Mandy, did your values change? You said four years
Speaker 4: ago you wouldn't support or vote for Trump. My values
Speaker 4: haven't changed, but my pragmatism has kicked in. And you
Speaker 4: know I mean, trust me, Texter. I'm just as disgusted
Speaker 4: with me as you are. But the reality is this,
Speaker 4: we have two choices, and both of them make me
Speaker 4: very unhappy. This is as ointment or supp positories election
Speaker 4: as there ever has been in my lifetime. I am
Speaker 4: not enthusiastic at all about casting my ballot this election cycle,
Speaker 4: not even a little bit. But that just gives you
Speaker 4: an idea of how bad I think Kamala Harris would
Speaker 4: be as president, just how bad. Like the bar was
Speaker 4: so low, so low. Then all they had to do
Speaker 4: was barely pick their feet over. But they didn't even
Speaker 4: do that. No, they just rolled Kamal in there. Not
Speaker 4: that she's any worse or any better than Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: I just think what the Democratic policies are bad for
Speaker 4: this country. So here I am forced to vote again
Speaker 4: someone I don't want to vote for, but I'm going
Speaker 4: to Mandy. Ranked choice voting only works if people vote
Speaker 4: for multiple candidates. If they only vote for one candidate
Speaker 4: and then that candidate doesn't rank high enough, then it's
Speaker 4: like they didn't vote at all. No, it means they
Speaker 4: vote for a losing candidate, and that's entire it's entirely choice.
Speaker 4: Let's just say there's one Republican on the final ballot,
Speaker 4: three Democrats on the final ballot, and all three Democrats
Speaker 4: are horrible, and you can't bring yourself to vote for him. Great,
Speaker 4: cast your ballot for the Republican. Call it a day.
Speaker 4: Your ballot counts in the first round, just like everybody
Speaker 4: else's ballot in the first round. Now that was me
Speaker 4: and I had one Republican and three Democrats, I would
Speaker 4: then look for the least crazy Democrat and I would
Speaker 4: vote for them, and I would urge all of my
Speaker 4: friends to vote for them number two, because at least
Speaker 4: you have the chance to weigh in right now. If
Speaker 4: you're in that district where it's overwhelmingly Democrat, you get
Speaker 4: no say because you cast your ballot for a sure
Speaker 4: to lose candidate just because of demographics, and then you're
Speaker 4: out and the crazy people win. So there you go.
Speaker 4: Get Mike Rosen's opinion on this. Mike is a much
Speaker 4: harder partisan than I am. He is a much stronger
Speaker 4: Republican because he came of age during the glory days
Speaker 4: of the Republican part under Ronald Reagan. And if I
Speaker 4: had grown up in that era, I would probably feel
Speaker 4: the same way. But I grew up in the Republicans
Speaker 4: crapping all over any sense of fiscal responsibility and saddling
Speaker 4: our children, our grandchildren, our great grinch grandchildren with a
Speaker 4: massive load of debt. They're never going to be able
Speaker 4: to pay off Republican era. So I'm not nearly as
Speaker 4: deep red as Mike rosen is. Rounds of voting sounds
Speaker 4: kinds of Soviet You guys, really really, I mean, if
Speaker 4: you don't want to vote for it, that's fine, but
Speaker 4: when you say something like that, it's kind of silly.
Speaker 4: By the way, Oh, you know what, We're going to
Speaker 4: talk about this one more segment because I got a
Speaker 4: little more information I want to share with you about
Speaker 4: how we vote. It hasn't always been the same. We'll
Speaker 4: talk about that next. A lot of you on the
Speaker 4: text line asking a question, and I guess the Republican
Speaker 4: Party is telling people that if you don't vote for
Speaker 4: all four choices, then your vote doesn't count. And that's
Speaker 4: a why I would expect nothing less from the leadership
Speaker 4: of the Colorado Republican Party. That is a lie. You
Speaker 4: can cast one vote. You can just say, look, here's
Speaker 4: my number one choice. Don't want to vote for anybody else.
Speaker 4: Your first vote counts. Maybe you only want to vote
Speaker 4: for two people your first and second vote count. You're
Speaker 4: getting the drift here. You don't have to cast a
Speaker 4: vote when you don't want to. Somebody said this, Mandy
Speaker 4: number one, God, number two, Stalin number three, Hitler number four, Satan,
Speaker 4: who's your number two? In that case, I would only
Speaker 4: have a number one God. So yeah, you do not
Speaker 4: have to vote for all four. That is a lie,
Speaker 4: an unsurprising lie. The only people arguing for ranked choice
Speaker 4: voting are partisans who want to protect the two party system, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, we are very very very close to
Speaker 4: being a majority unaffiliated state, and I know the most
Speaker 4: unaffiliated vote with Democrats, but we are almost there. That's
Speaker 4: how effective the two parties have at growing their parties.
Speaker 4: All right, what are you registered as? You don't have
Speaker 4: to tell me. I guess that's a private thing, although
Speaker 4: it's public records, so yeah, you do have to tell me.
Speaker 7: No, I'll tell you I am unaffiliated there. You absolutely
Speaker 7: love this idea of bring choice voting. Yeah, it made
Speaker 7: a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 4: I see. I just here's the thing. I love it
Speaker 4: when people are basically like, we can't change it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we totally can. And since the beginning of the United
Speaker 4: States of America, we have changed the way we cast
Speaker 4: our ballots on multiple occasions. First of all, a gentleman
Speaker 4: cracked back at me on x or Facebook, I don't
Speaker 4: remember which one. He said, this is so unconstitutional. There's
Speaker 4: nothing in the Constitution about how states must vote, just
Speaker 4: that states oversee elections, right, So it's not unconstitutional at all.
Speaker 4: We change the way we cast our ballots multiple times
Speaker 4: over the years, and uh so there's nothing to say
Speaker 4: we can't change it again because clearly what we I'm
Speaker 4: doing now sucks. I mean, it just sucks. Right, So
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm in the s column as of right now.
Speaker 4: Not again that that matters, but I just want to
Speaker 4: let you know. But here's the thing, you guys, if
Speaker 4: you have any questions, email me Mandy Mandy Connell two
Speaker 4: NS two l's at iHeartMedia dot com. I'm trying to
Speaker 4: just use my artmedia dot com address Mandy Connell, m
Speaker 4: A and d y co n N E L l
Speaker 4: at iHeartMedia dot com and send me your questions and
Speaker 4: I will make sure in my voter guide that they
Speaker 4: are all accurately answered, because there's a lot of misinformation.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. When the other side has to
Speaker 4: lie about what it actually does in order to get
Speaker 4: you to vote against it, that should tell you maybe
Speaker 4: they shouldn't be trusted. I'm just saying, Mandy, I'm a
Speaker 4: new Independent who leaned left for the majority of my adulthood.
Speaker 4: Now I'm right leaning. Sick of all the crap, Mandy.
Speaker 4: The fact that both Democrats and Republicans are against this
Speaker 4: should tell you. There you go, Mandy and Boulder. The
Speaker 4: votes were counted by vote column, and you were not
Speaker 4: counted if you voted the same person across. Well, that's
Speaker 4: because you can't vote for the same person across. You
Speaker 4: have to rank the people in order one, two, three, four.
Speaker 4: If you make a list, if you're going to the
Speaker 4: grocery store, you're gonna put one milk, two milk, three milk,
Speaker 4: four milk.
Speaker 5: No, you're not.
Speaker 4: Stop trying to make it more complicated. Follow the very
Speaker 4: easy directions. Put these four people in order, or just
Speaker 4: vote for one, or just vote for two, or just
Speaker 4: vote for three or whatever. But you can only vote
Speaker 4: for someone once. Not that complicated. The best reason for
Speaker 4: rank choice voting is that Dave Williams is against it.
Speaker 4: Correct Texter, correct one hundred percent. Mandy. Do you know
Speaker 4: if anyone is reading the State Blue information booklet that
Speaker 4: came in the mail voter guide. I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people look at that. I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people look at that. I mean, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: breathe through it, but I mean I'm I'm highly educated,
Speaker 4: and I can make it my own mind and my
Speaker 4: own decisions. Hit someone else to tell me. But I'll
Speaker 4: be telling you guys what to do in my voter guide.
Speaker 4: And Ross is working on a voter guide too. We
Speaker 4: were going to collaborate, but Ross uses way more worse
Speaker 4: than I do. Like I'm just gonna say, don't vote
Speaker 4: for this as stupid, but Ross will give you like
Speaker 4: a dissertation on why it's stupid and you shouldn't vote
Speaker 4: for it, so you know, something different for everyone. We
Speaker 4: will be right back. We've got the two minute drill
Speaker 4: coming up, and so much other stuff on the blog
Speaker 4: that we haven't begun to scratch yet, So stick around.
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Speaker 4: All right, my friends, We've got some stories and this
Speaker 4: one there's more too, I promise you. But we don't
Speaker 4: know why RTD fired now former police chief Joel Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, RTD, as far as I know,
Speaker 4: hasn't even confirmed that they fired him. How do we
Speaker 4: know because according to the Colorado Peace Officers Standards and
Speaker 4: Training website, which shows the status of employment for peace officers,
Speaker 4: they said Fitzgerald was terminated for cause. Now, call me crazy,
Speaker 4: but I think that if you are a public servant,
Speaker 4: especially in a law enforcement position, who has fired for cause,
Speaker 4: the rest of us should get to know what you did. Now,
Speaker 4: if it's criminal, obviously file charges. But if it's just unethical.
Speaker 4: I still want to know, because this guy is gonna
Speaker 4: go try and get a job somewhere else. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure why RTD is being so tight lipped, but it
Speaker 4: certainly doesn't inspire trust in their next tire. Just throwing
Speaker 4: that out there, it too. John Caldera has written a
Speaker 4: scorcher over at page two on Complete Colorado dot com.
Speaker 4: What is it about about the fact that sea dot
Speaker 4: is hyper focused on serving four percent of the population.
Speaker 4: He points out that the next time you are stuck
Speaker 4: in traffic, you know who to blame, because the Colorado
Speaker 4: Department of Transportation has stopped worrying about making roads that
Speaker 4: work in an effort to shove us all in a
Speaker 4: mass transit that only four percent of the population takes,
Speaker 4: even after we've spent billions of dollars on light rail.
Speaker 4: Four percent of the population takes mass transit. But they're
Speaker 4: not gonna stop trying. So maybe it's time to elect
Speaker 4: a different party who would appoint the head of sea
Speaker 4: dot and set the tone. Just to thought my friends.
Speaker 5: Too.
Speaker 4: All Right, you guys, good news in the world of inflation.
Speaker 4: Inflation is down to two point two percent in the
Speaker 4: month of August versus two point five in July. This
Speaker 4: is very close to the fed's two percent target, which
Speaker 4: means that there's a good chance the FED will continue
Speaker 4: to drop interest rates through the rest of the year.
Speaker 4: Now in the meantime, we're just gonna have to wait
Speaker 4: until I believe the next rate will come in October,
Speaker 4: maybe November, and then one in December. But finally things
Speaker 4: are starting to feel somewhat normal again, even if prices
Speaker 4: are still twenty percent higher than they were a few
Speaker 4: years ago. Baby steps, you guys, baby steps. DPS and
Speaker 4: I mean Denver Public Schools has proven itself to be
Speaker 4: a bad actor when it comes to parents speaking out
Speaker 4: against well anything they do. One woman found out about
Speaker 4: it the hard way by coming to speak on behalf
Speaker 4: of a principal who was being fired for a I
Speaker 4: think completely made up reason led by Tay Anderson, which
Speaker 4: she showed up. She ended up being accused by an
Speaker 4: activist of both calling him the N word, which she
Speaker 4: did not, and physically attacking him, which she did not.
Speaker 4: When charged with a crime, she tried to get DPS
Speaker 4: to release the video of the meeting to prove that
Speaker 4: she hadn't done anything wrong and they fought it. DPS
Speaker 4: is made up of bullies and thugs, and if you're
Speaker 4: a decent parent, you are supposed to be afraid of
Speaker 4: going to a school board meeting because you don't want
Speaker 4: to get treated like the woman that Jimmy Seenberger focused
Speaker 4: on in his column that I have linked on the
Speaker 4: blog today. It is a fascinating story and you all
Speaker 4: should read it. And finally, well, next to finally, not finally,
Speaker 4: next to finally, Dave Maggie Smith has passed away. She
Speaker 4: was a scenestealer as professor of Minerva McGonagall in the
Speaker 4: Harry Potter films, along with being Countess Grantham in Downton Abbey,
Speaker 4: among I'm guessing hundreds of roles she had over her
Speaker 4: lengthy career. She passed away at eighty nine and was
Speaker 4: surrounded by her family and friends. She will be missed
Speaker 4: and for a lot of little kids, you got this
Speaker 4: is going to be one of their first stars of
Speaker 4: their movies that they love that has passed away. Although
Speaker 4: did Hagrid di is Hagrid debad? Did Hagrid die? He died?
Speaker 4: He died? He died? It was okay, so flu but
Speaker 4: Shirley they're all just dropping like flies. So watch a
Speaker 4: little Harry Potter this weekend in Dame Maggie Smith's honor,
Speaker 4: and I hope she rests in peace. And uh yeah,
Speaker 4: that's really all I have to say about that. And finally,
Speaker 4: although I feel bad putting this in the two minute
Speaker 4: drill because it is kind of a big deal and
Speaker 4: I might talk more about it on the other side
Speaker 4: of the break, the IDF has said they've conducted a
Speaker 4: massive strike on Hesbela's headquarters in the route, and they've
Speaker 4: been pretty open about the fact that they were targeting
Speaker 4: the head of Hesbela, Hassan Nasralla, because honestly, he's the
Speaker 4: last guy in the upper level chain of command that
Speaker 4: is left alive for Hesbela. And Benjaminette Yahoo went and
Speaker 4: spoke to the United Nations and pretty much said, Poul
Speaker 4: Sand We're gonna keep doing what we're doing until Hesbela
Speaker 4: has completely new new neutral, neuter neutralized, whatever word I
Speaker 4: was trying to say. And so far, so good. They
Speaker 4: don't look at me like that. You try and say
Speaker 4: neutered and neutralized all in the same sentence, getting judged
Speaker 4: from the other room right now, Like Stern looks and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well continue this conversation. Well no, it's not time to
Speaker 4: break yet. No, this is just the next piece of
Speaker 4: Israel's destruction of Hesbela's capabilities of attacking them. This compound
Speaker 4: that they attacked in be Root was a military compound
Speaker 4: built underneath housing because that's what they do. They hired
Speaker 4: under civilians. They don't know if Nezrala was killed, but
Speaker 4: so far he hasn't. Well, no one's come out to
Speaker 4: say that they killed him. A lot of people are like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is going to escalate things and
Speaker 4: make it into World War three. Guess what. Israel doesn't care.
Speaker 4: They said as much at the UN They basically said,
Speaker 4: you guys can keep your little opinions to yourself. We're
Speaker 4: gonna keep doing this till we neutralize Hesbela, and y'all
Speaker 4: can shut up. And then he left. That's the kind
Speaker 4: of speech you just mic drop and just walk off
Speaker 4: off right then, So we'll find out if they were successful.
Speaker 4: But man, this guy has to be scared out of
Speaker 4: his mind right now. And you know what, oddly, I'm
Speaker 4: in favor of that one hundred percent. One hundred percent now,
Speaker 4: when we get back that's the end of the two
Speaker 4: minute triller. You can I guess I could hit the
Speaker 4: last little thing there. Let's just end it, Grant, Let's
Speaker 4: just let's just stop it. Just finish it, right there,
Speaker 4: finish it. The ABS and the Nuggets are back on TV.
Speaker 4: Here's my question, Grant, why didn't they do this like
Speaker 4: a year ago? I mean years ago. Fans have missed
Speaker 4: all of the championships, right, I mean you've.
Speaker 7: Missed missed the Nuggets championships, missed the ABS championship.
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope they're good this year, don't get
Speaker 4: me wrong on off runs. So why didn't you just
Speaker 4: do this? Yeah, it's a bad luck. Still what now?
Speaker 4: Maybe they were working on the app because now you
Speaker 4: have two options. You can pay for the Altitude Plus app.
Speaker 4: It's like twenty bucks a month or something. It's gonna
Speaker 4: get you all the games ninety yeah, or you can
Speaker 4: just watch it on nine News or My twenty.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: That's what that's the part that frustrates me is that
Speaker 7: they could have done these twenty games. Yeah, for the
Speaker 7: past five years when they were in this dispute.
Speaker 4: On nine news in My twenty yep, and they didn't.
Speaker 4: But Obviously, we don't negotiate things like this at a
Speaker 4: high level grant, so we're probably out of the loop
Speaker 4: just a hair well, neither did they very well.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back. This is a super fun story.
Speaker 4: Apparently a dossier that the Iranians have on jd Vance
Speaker 4: was given to a left wing reporter named Ken Klippenstein.
Speaker 4: Ken Clippenstein decided to just publish it on X. Now
Speaker 4: what did this dossier have? It had things like private
Speaker 4: personal details, personal phone numbers, family details, social security numbers,
Speaker 4: home addresses, the whole nine yards, and Ken Clippenstein, with
Speaker 4: his five hundred and nine thousand followers on X published it.
Speaker 4: And what's hilarious is that the noted thinker Keith Olberman,
Speaker 4: and I put both noted and thinker in air quotes there.
Speaker 4: What do you ever wonder? Like, what the hell happened
Speaker 4: to Keith Olberman? What what went wrong in that guy's life?
Speaker 4: I mean, he started out as this kind of really funny,
Speaker 4: sharp witted host of ESPN. Do you remember Keith Olberman
Speaker 4: on ESPN?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he almost ruined sports for me when he came
Speaker 7: back the second time around.
Speaker 4: But how can everything be so negative? He's just he's
Speaker 4: he's one of those people that has this it just
Speaker 4: inate ability to only see the bad, right, and he
Speaker 4: only saw the bad when Ken Clippenstein was suspended from
Speaker 4: x for violating their terms of service, doxing is prohibited,
Speaker 4: and this is like the king of doxing. So now
Speaker 4: I hope mister Clippenstein is happy because now he has
Speaker 4: allowed bad actors. And hey, it's not like anybody's tried
Speaker 4: to killed Trump or anything a couple of times. So
Speaker 4: now JD. Vance's little children and wife are probably they've
Speaker 4: probably already been removed from their home. I mean, what
Speaker 4: a brave thing this guy did. I have a very
Speaker 4: strong feeling about things like protesting outside someone's home, about
Speaker 4: showing up in their driveway or outside their driveway to
Speaker 4: yell about whatever they've done. Politically, I think that in
Speaker 4: the world that we're living in right now, where people
Speaker 4: are trying to kill Donald Trump, and we know the Iranians,
Speaker 4: or at least the Secret Service advised Donald Trump that
Speaker 4: the Iranians had had found a or had decided that
Speaker 4: they were going to issue and ask an assassination order
Speaker 4: on Donald Trump. So we already know that the violence
Speaker 4: coming from the left on behalf of the Iranians is real.
Speaker 5: We already know this.
Speaker 4: Now it may not be on behalf of the Iranians.
Speaker 4: They just may share a common goal, to be clear.
Speaker 4: But two people have tried to murder President Trump, and
Speaker 4: now this guy thinks that publishing a dossier that was
Speaker 4: gotten by I believe hacking on X says if it's
Speaker 4: no big deal, as if he's somehow doing a public service.
Speaker 4: Now let me ask you guys this.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 4: I realize I'm talking to a right leaning audience, but
Speaker 4: does knowing where JD Vance's children are make you more
Speaker 4: or less likely to vote for Kamala Harris. I'm being
Speaker 4: genuine because I certainly can't imagine that. Cannot imagine that.
Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens. But Ken Clippenstein and I
Speaker 4: hope he's sad to see his five hundred and nine
Speaker 4: thousand followers on X go bye bye, because they will
Speaker 4: because I don't think he's coming back. By the way,
Speaker 4: Elon Musk, if you click on the tweet that I
Speaker 4: posted on the blog today, you can see Elon Musk
Speaker 4: respond by saying, this is one of the most egregious,
Speaker 4: evil doxing actions we've ever seen. Presidential candidates are not
Speaker 4: speculatively in danger. There have already been two attempts on
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's life. Moreover, the included detailed information on the
Speaker 4: addresses of their children. So here's the thing. Do I
Speaker 4: think it should be illegal to out someone like that?
Speaker 7: Maybe?
Speaker 4: Maybe not, But we shall see what happens now. I
Speaker 4: just wanted you to know about that. When we get back,
Speaker 4: we're gonna do something fun for the last half hour.
Speaker 4: Comedian Matthew Brizard coming in next. Keep it right here
Speaker 4: on Kiawa. There is a guy, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: assume because I know Mel the wonderful pr person for
Speaker 4: comedy works well enough to know she probably wouldn't write
Speaker 4: the following paragraph herself. Matthew Brossard is a disgraced financial
Speaker 4: analyst forced into stand up comedy. The byproduct of a
Speaker 4: Cajun chemist and a Jewish microbiologist, he holds a degree
Speaker 4: in compyational mathematics. He always manages to bring up just
Speaker 4: did it, and it's fully aware of how doushe he looks.
Speaker 4: Matthew Brossard, I'm gonna assume you probably had something to
Speaker 4: do with that particular paragraph.
Speaker 10: I had a hand in that. I did have a
Speaker 10: hand in that.
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting way to present yourself because
Speaker 4: in a way, it's like a humble brag of like, yes,
Speaker 4: look how good my genes are and how smart I am.
Speaker 10: I need to sell myself in some way.
Speaker 13: It's the one place you're not allowed to be humble,
Speaker 13: as in writing that that description for yourself.
Speaker 5: Now are you can?
Speaker 10: Really?
Speaker 13: He's easy to work with, It shows up on time,
Speaker 13: and it costs less than other comedians.
Speaker 4: And good at math and good at maths in case
Speaker 4: somebody has a complex equation at the comedy club that
Speaker 4: needs to be solved.
Speaker 13: If you need financial advice or just someone to explain
Speaker 13: how compound interest works, I'm a good backboard.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you two questions related to your background.
Speaker 4: Number one, I'm assuming that you grew up in a
Speaker 4: household where it was Matthew, where are you going to college?
Speaker 4: Not if you go to college, where are you going
Speaker 4: to college?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 4: So, how do you get from computational, mathematic and financial
Speaker 4: world into stand up comedy?
Speaker 13: It was for me the ultimate act of rebellion. It
Speaker 13: was funny because it's not that crazy of a thing
Speaker 13: to do.
Speaker 3: But for me.
Speaker 13: I was like, ah, I thought I was gonna be
Speaker 13: I was told I was going to use math in
Speaker 13: some capacity.
Speaker 5: I was told.
Speaker 10: I was not told yeah, or a model or anything.
Speaker 13: There was just like your your like, your skills in
Speaker 13: this world are mathematics, not not even interpersonal skills. You
Speaker 13: were you were good at math. We're a math family.
Speaker 13: So you're going to do a job based around that.
Speaker 13: And I believe them. And then I did a open
Speaker 13: mic when I was twenty four years old, and I
Speaker 13: was not bad at it. I had a lot of
Speaker 13: room to improve it, like, but I could also do
Speaker 13: this as a job, and it was just like everything
Speaker 13: just it felt like it's It felt like it felt
Speaker 13: like one of those movies where someone's in a cult
Speaker 13: and then they realized.
Speaker 10: There was a whole world outside that they're allowed to
Speaker 10: go into.
Speaker 4: I felt like I was like I was going to
Speaker 4: ask it sounded like you found out you were not
Speaker 4: Asian when you were twenty three years old. You're like,
Speaker 4: I'm good at math. That's what we're gonna I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm making a stereotypical joke, but it's a positive.
Speaker 10: I'm Jewish and it's pretty close.
Speaker 13: I think Jews and Asians relate to the same kind
Speaker 13: of pressure from their parents.
Speaker 4: What did you What was that conversation like when you
Speaker 4: were like, hey Mom, hey Dad, I've decided that after
Speaker 4: get it, get it. Where'd you go to school?
Speaker 10: Rice?
Speaker 4: Okay, so you went to a very good school in
Speaker 4: Texas and you come back and say, hey, I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna throw throw caution to the wind. I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: after this stand up comedian thing. What happened there?
Speaker 10: In true So, in true actuarial form.
Speaker 13: I did not quit my job to start doing comedy.
Speaker 13: I was still you know, timid enough and well trained
Speaker 13: enough to like hold on to my job as long
Speaker 13: as possible and and try to, you know, keep a
Speaker 13: day job while doing comedy at night and just see
Speaker 13: how far I could go before it tore me in half.
Speaker 13: And luckily I got fired from my job, we know,
Speaker 13: because of comedy, because I was really just stretching myself
Speaker 13: too thin and traveling and not telling my boss.
Speaker 5: Where I was.
Speaker 4: And it's actually an important job. It's like something you
Speaker 4: could just mail it in, right, Yeah, if when you
Speaker 4: miss an audit, you get in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 4: When you got fired, were you at a position where
Speaker 4: you thought, I'm not going to starve if I just
Speaker 4: go full board with comedy thing.
Speaker 13: I thought I was going to starve. I didn't think
Speaker 13: it was going to work out. I guess start have
Speaker 13: to find a job as a waiter.
Speaker 5: Woe is me.
Speaker 13: I just moved to la and I had that job.
Speaker 13: I was able to work that job. Remote was the
Speaker 13: deal I worked out with. My boss was really really
Speaker 13: cool of him. And then I screwed up something really
Speaker 13: bad and I basically had to resign in shame. And
Speaker 13: I had like two months of being afraid, and then
Speaker 13: I booked a bunch of college shows. So not that
Speaker 13: harrowing of a journey all things considered.
Speaker 4: This is just I mean, is it just because you're
Speaker 4: good looking that you've just been able to coast through
Speaker 4: all these various things? Is that what you attribute it to.
Speaker 13: I've just gotten so lucky at every stage in my life,
Speaker 13: just everything, just I jump off things, and that's appeared
Speaker 13: for me.
Speaker 10: Sometimes I just feel very very grateful for that.
Speaker 4: I will tell you that I my little production company
Speaker 4: that I have on the side is called Serendipitous Productions,
Speaker 4: because I, like you have made some decisions that have
Speaker 4: looked like dumbassy from the outside looking in, but they
Speaker 4: all kind of panned out.
Speaker 10: Yes, stumbling upwards or what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great way to put it for failing.
Speaker 13: Upwards is the term. But yeah, just that kind of oops.
Speaker 13: Ohoh things ended up better. Uh yeah, it's a weird.
Speaker 13: And the job you have is like this is a
Speaker 13: really what what you do is highly sought after, highly competitive,
Speaker 13: and for every position like this, there's a thousand people
Speaker 13: who worked as hard as they could and didn't get
Speaker 13: it and are bruised and battered because of it.
Speaker 4: Well, now they have a podcast. Yeah, so that is
Speaker 4: true of comedians as well. I would say all the
Speaker 4: failed stand of comedians all have podcasts.
Speaker 10: It's required.
Speaker 4: So do you have a podcast?
Speaker 10: I'm so bad about it.
Speaker 13: I have one with my fiance and we probably do
Speaker 13: one episode every four months.
Speaker 10: Because she was like, you know what, I'm not going
Speaker 10: to take care of this one.
Speaker 13: I'm gonna I'm gonna let you edit this and see
Speaker 13: too that it gets done, just to show that you
Speaker 13: care about it. And guess what, I don't. So I
Speaker 13: tried to do a podcast with her. We've had some
Speaker 13: great guests. We've had, like you know Mit Tail Lane
Speaker 13: and Taylor Tomlinson. We've had really wonderful people on the podcast,
Speaker 13: but they need to do more of it.
Speaker 4: You talk about your now fiance. I actually was going
Speaker 4: to ask you because over the last few years I've
Speaker 4: been with my girlfriends four years, six years. I'm like,
Speaker 4: be gonna put a on it. Why did you take
Speaker 4: so long? Matthew?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 13: Why did I take so long? I didn't know there
Speaker 13: was pressure.
Speaker 10: I don't know. I don't know why it took so long.
Speaker 10: She proposed to me, So that's how long we waited.
Speaker 4: Okay, so why did you take her so long? We'll
Speaker 4: ask her that question at a later time. But you
Speaker 4: just told me. She's actually now doing stand up as well.
Speaker 13: She also does comedy. Yes, so she started like four
Speaker 13: or five years ago. She did improv when we met.
Speaker 13: And she was a professional swimmer when we met.
Speaker 4: So how does Wandn't be a professional swimmer?
Speaker 11: Is really?
Speaker 10: Really good? Really really really do you.
Speaker 4: Do professional swimming?
Speaker 13: Very college national champion and had you know since a
Speaker 13: very young age was a phenom, like eleven years old,
Speaker 13: was competing at nationals and you know, my fifteen years
Speaker 13: old was a finalisted Olympic trials and just just very
Speaker 13: very good. It's very impressive, very impressive athlete, and had
Speaker 13: a great career as a national team member and represent
Speaker 13: the United States and won a silver at Worlds and
Speaker 13: a national champion many times. But she is surprised to
Speaker 13: say the hours of stand up comedy and the hours
Speaker 13: of professional swimming don't don't.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well yeah those two am, those shut downs
Speaker 4: and six am starts probably not great.
Speaker 13: Yeah, so she wasn't doing she wanted to do comedy then,
Speaker 13: and then basically a couple of years of afterwards, she moved,
Speaker 13: We moved to New York together. She stops swimming and
Speaker 13: she starts working and finally feel comfortable to start doing
Speaker 13: open mic since she's done an excellent job, and she
Speaker 13: comes with I think she came with me last time here.
Speaker 13: She's not here this time, but because she's too busy
Speaker 13: doing comedy in New York, and I for her, Good
Speaker 13: for her.
Speaker 4: How do you come up with your bits? Because I
Speaker 4: got to tell you, I love all the medical stuff
Speaker 4: you do because it sort of mirrors the stuff that
Speaker 4: I find interesting. I always have medical stuff on my
Speaker 4: blog because I want my listeners to know the latest stuff,
Speaker 4: but of course you make it funny or if I
Speaker 4: just make it informative. If you make it funny, why
Speaker 4: what takes you in that direction?
Speaker 13: I like a joke that can start with a piece
Speaker 13: of information that I find interesting, that is not widely known,
Speaker 13: and then try to build the comedy around that. So
Speaker 13: I do like when comedy can be kind of informative
Speaker 13: while it happens to be funny. I was fortunate and
Speaker 13: that you know, my mom was was a microbiologist and
Speaker 13: my dad was a chemist. So I was constantly bombarded
Speaker 13: with tidbits of fascinating information that that that's stuck in
Speaker 13: my head, and over the years I found a way
Speaker 13: to put them together. You're just learning about I have
Speaker 13: a long chunk online about how many major medical breakthroughs
Speaker 13: or by accident, and you know, you discover one, you
Speaker 13: read more about it, and you you find that it's
Speaker 13: kind of a string of things.
Speaker 10: Park I was it called bagra was a hard medication?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the person of the audience yelling out what everything
Speaker 4: originally was for.
Speaker 13: Because that's kind of nerd I am. You'd be rare
Speaker 13: one one hundred people knows that in terms of like
Speaker 13: asking the crowd. It's pretty because I girl, Matthew, I
Speaker 13: know all that stuff. Father, like your right hand shout
Speaker 13: outer in the crowd, like I do that. Do you
Speaker 13: know the eyelash the stuff you used to make your
Speaker 13: eyelashes longer?
Speaker 9: That I do know?
Speaker 4: The late not la Si. It's I did know at
Speaker 4: one point, wasn't.
Speaker 10: It for I don't remember Clackoma.
Speaker 4: I knew it was an eye disease. I just didn't
Speaker 4: know which one.
Speaker 13: Yeah, And they noticed it was giving people longer eyelashes.
Speaker 13: So maybe Lene was like that's ours now.
Speaker 4: Sad but true though, I mean, it really is your
Speaker 4: entire bit. I got to tell you if you don't
Speaker 4: know anything about IUDs, Matthew is your guy to not
Speaker 4: actually tell you how they work, but to tell you
Speaker 4: how they work in a way that is both charming
Speaker 4: and wrang and.
Speaker 10: A lot of a lot of it's intrect, which is
Speaker 10: fun as well.
Speaker 4: So when you are dealing, I'm fascinated by the relationship
Speaker 4: you have with your girlfriend, Like do you ever just say, okay,
Speaker 4: listen to this. Do you ever bounce stuff off her?
Speaker 4: And when you do something and you think is going
Speaker 4: to be really really good, and then you kind of
Speaker 4: get the dull stare of the dairy cowl back. You're like, dang,
Speaker 4: does that happen a lot?
Speaker 13: It's it's oftentimes yeah, it's not a good way to
Speaker 13: go about it. It's just like when she's sitting at
Speaker 13: her desk, look is this funny? So try to try
Speaker 13: to take it and work on it and then bring
Speaker 13: it to her. And you know what is nice to us?
Speaker 13: You know, we go and walk together and we talk
Speaker 13: a lot, and when someone says something, we're like, ooh.
Speaker 10: That's good.
Speaker 13: And then sometimes there's a custody battle or whatever says
Speaker 13: something or like that might be I said it, but
Speaker 13: maybe be funnier coming from you. And then you said this,
Speaker 13: and I maybe I could play with that a little bit.
Speaker 13: So so it's fun kind of bouncing it is around.
Speaker 4: Will you talk about your girlfriend in the in the act.
Speaker 4: But you know, some comedians can be critical and a
Speaker 4: little I think a little harsh about their snouts. Is
Speaker 4: that I always wonder like how does that play at home?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? But you're not You're very
Speaker 4: complimentary and kind to your your girlfriend, now fiance, does
Speaker 4: that change when she becomes a wife? I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: everything goes downhill once you get married, but you should
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 13: I'm not sure if her whole rule is you can
Speaker 13: say whatever you want about me if you make enough money.
Speaker 10: So there's certain jokes I want to do, and she says, here,
Speaker 10: here's how much money you have to make to do
Speaker 10: that joke.
Speaker 4: She gives you a bar that's pretty highs a great
Speaker 4: joke too, but that's convenient. You should actually set up
Speaker 4: a Patreon, like I could go fundme or something to
Speaker 4: be like my wife to be says, I can tell
Speaker 4: certain jokes if we make this amount of money and
Speaker 4: then you just like walk up with a check.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's why I would donate. Not a bad idea.
Speaker 4: I would donate the passive aggressively donate. I would do that.
Speaker 4: I would help you with that. I would five ten bucks,
Speaker 4: twenty bucks, whatever, and then you're in you can hear
Speaker 4: the real you.
Speaker 10: That's a really good idea.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 4: I have a million of them, a million. I feel
Speaker 4: free taken with it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, good publicity. And then at that point now I'm
Speaker 10: like it just that good.
Speaker 4: But they won't know which jokes, right, I mean just
Speaker 4: he just says, there are jokes in this set that
Speaker 4: you had to pay for.
Speaker 13: This has been a very productive creative session, and I
Speaker 13: really appreciate.
Speaker 4: That work that it details. But I'm really good at
Speaker 4: big ideas. Okay, so if I had minions, Like, if
Speaker 4: I had minions, I could have already taken over the world.
Speaker 4: But I come up with these great ideas and then
Speaker 4: I and no one's listening, and then I say them,
Speaker 4: and then and then nothing ever happens.
Speaker 13: There's that sounds like, I don't know what I'm allowed
Speaker 13: to say on this program curse. I was gonna say
Speaker 13: it sounds like a lot of a specific drug. The
Speaker 13: symptoms of one specific drug is you have a lot
Speaker 13: of good, big ideas, but you don't have the detailed
Speaker 13: follow through.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that there was anything like that involved.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that I have always been a big
Speaker 4: idea person. So mile has all right? Have you you've
Speaker 4: played here before? Yes, I always asked medians about comedy
Speaker 4: works because it's such a great venue.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 13: I would I would say, if you asked one hundred
Speaker 13: working comics what their favorite club is, they would you
Speaker 13: would hear mostly comedy works.
Speaker 10: It's just always ahead of the curb takes.
Speaker 13: Her of comics, great crowds, phones, the bags. It's just
Speaker 13: it's it's it's a good experience all around.
Speaker 4: The bad thing was the first time I'd ever done
Speaker 4: that on Saturday night when I wait to see Billy Gardell,
Speaker 4: I don't hate it. Do you guys ever have pushback
Speaker 4: when people like with kids or babysitters or stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Now a little bit, she's a little oompikito is a
Speaker 4: little bit there. Yeah, when you decide what kind of
Speaker 4: comedy you're gonna do, like, how do you approach this?
Speaker 4: Because at Comedy Works on Saturday night we saw the
Speaker 4: Opher who was just like scorched Earth and hilarious but
Speaker 4: very inappropriate, And then you know, Billy Gardell works mostly clean,
Speaker 4: very You know, you could probably take your grandm on
Speaker 4: there and not yet said how much of thought do
Speaker 4: you give into that? Like do you work blue? How
Speaker 4: do you how do you make those choices?
Speaker 10: There's only two sets. I have the set I want
Speaker 10: to do. In this set I have to do.
Speaker 13: Okay, so it's always finding how much so I want
Speaker 13: to do? Is going to have certain things that aren't
Speaker 13: necessarily going to work? Every time I have a lot
Speaker 13: of math jokes right now that are not that sounds.
Speaker 13: I swear they're good. If you're listening to this, I
Speaker 13: swear they're the best math jokes you guys.
Speaker 4: Kaminsky is like, oh my god, this guy's the funniest
Speaker 4: comic ever.
Speaker 13: Because you do math jokes. They're solid. They're really solid.
Speaker 13: If you're like math, there' like come see the show.
Speaker 13: I swear you'll you will enjoy them. That's a hard
Speaker 13: cell for some audiences.
Speaker 5: I got to make sure in the.
Speaker 10: Right place against them up to my speed.
Speaker 13: I have some political stuff that may cross some lines
Speaker 13: for both sides, and that's very fun for me because
Speaker 13: it makes me feel very alive on stage when you
Speaker 13: don't know. If you see a joke that you know
Speaker 13: gets a laugh every time, you're not going to say
Speaker 13: it with as much enthusiasm y I say it. If
Speaker 13: you're pulling the pin in a grenade and waiting to
Speaker 13: see if it's a dud or a hit, you're going
Speaker 13: to be very alive and a much better performer for it.
Speaker 4: So it's a little like putting, you know, your tongue
Speaker 4: on a sore tooth a little bit, just to like
Speaker 4: wake yourself up, just zip you there. Yes, do you
Speaker 4: ever just think to yourself if things are not going
Speaker 4: as well as you were hoping, maybe you're not connecting
Speaker 4: or you know, not every show can be a gem, right,
Speaker 4: I mean that's just the same here. Do you ever
Speaker 4: think to yourself, screw it. I'm throwing in all the
Speaker 4: math jokes. I'm just throwing it against wallet, just like time,
Speaker 4: throw a caution to the wind and see what happens.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I did not get into this job because I respect authority.
Speaker 13: So yes, a lot of times when I feel resentful
Speaker 13: of a crowd for not liking certain things, I will
Speaker 13: do more of those things just to push It was
Speaker 13: a very spoiled response, but sometimes you just want to well,
Speaker 13: if this is what, if I found what you don't like,
Speaker 13: then I want to make you like that.
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it so much that you're gonna
Speaker 4: have to laugh, and just if it's.
Speaker 13: Just laughter that's uncomfortable, or I'm just gonna go out
Speaker 13: my way if like there's sometimes with the clouds sound
Speaker 13: and I'm not gonna like me anyway, at least I'm
Speaker 13: not going I'm gonna bomb with my dignity doing something
Speaker 13: that I'm proud of is The worst is when you
Speaker 13: just start doing jokes for them and they still don't
Speaker 13: like you anyway.
Speaker 10: It just feels awful.
Speaker 4: Do you remember the first time you ever bombed?
Speaker 10: The third time I did comedy.
Speaker 4: See, I've had one show in my life since I
Speaker 4: got my own show in two thousand and five that
Speaker 4: I did not do enough prep for. And I did
Speaker 4: a five hour show and it was from five am
Speaker 4: to ten am, and I am at like nine thirty
Speaker 4: and I don't have a single I can't think of
Speaker 4: a single story. I can't think of a single topic.
Speaker 10: What else.
Speaker 4: I'm like flopsweating, I've got to I'm like I got
Speaker 4: pit stains. I mean, it was the worst half hour
Speaker 4: of my entire life. And if you ask me of
Speaker 4: my listeners, they would not have known that it was
Speaker 4: that bad. But I will never forget that and I
Speaker 4: have never underprepared from that day. What is it like
Speaker 4: to think back on that flop? And how does it
Speaker 4: change how you approach stuff now?
Speaker 5: That one?
Speaker 13: I mean I bombed the third sets through probably the
Speaker 13: one hundredth set. The first two just not going to
Speaker 13: go well. Are there bombs that make me like change?
Speaker 13: How I there's some sets you just didn't prepare enough for,
Speaker 13: and I could definitely relate to that. That's often not
Speaker 13: stamped well in general some nights if I say, I think,
Speaker 13: I know I said, and you got there, and then
Speaker 13: you do it kind of the wrong order and have
Speaker 13: to go back to do a joke. So it's just
Speaker 13: anytime you sit down and write before the show's going
Speaker 13: to go better. That my old, my little silly illium
Speaker 13: is that the more you plan, the more you can improvise.
Speaker 4: That's really actually very boring. Yeah, yes, that's kind of
Speaker 4: like smart.
Speaker 13: So I always noticed when I sit and write a
Speaker 13: set list, I actually end up trying more stuff, which
Speaker 13: is odd because you think if you don't plan, you're
Speaker 13: gonna go off course.
Speaker 5: Where is it?
Speaker 13: Actually, if you don't plan, you stay very you have
Speaker 13: a more predictable route. You're gonna just do the just
Speaker 13: kind of you don't have time to think of what
Speaker 13: jokes and new next. You're just going to automatically default
Speaker 13: to the safest.
Speaker 10: Joke you can do next.
Speaker 4: But and it doesn't it kind of give you like
Speaker 4: an island from which to dive into the stream list.
Speaker 13: I mean, truly, if I had just a flow chart
Speaker 13: on stage.
Speaker 10: Is do this joke.
Speaker 13: Now, if that joke works, to this joke at bit bombs,
Speaker 13: go back to this. But if it works, skip to
Speaker 13: this right yeah, so yeah, and it makes you present.
Speaker 4: That's actually a really interesting window into the world of
Speaker 4: how a comedian's mind worked. I appreciate that.
Speaker 13: There's there's oddly like what I feel in my mind
Speaker 13: is there's a good wheel will meter next to me
Speaker 13: on stage like that kind of like te just this number,
Speaker 13: like the Applauso meter. Yeah, and it's going up and up.
Speaker 13: The crowd likes me because this show work, this show
Speaker 13: to works, this woe's work. Okay, now they like me.
Speaker 13: I've done it, totally, bunch of shows throw. Now I'm
Speaker 13: gonna do a bad one, a new one that I
Speaker 13: don't think is there yet, just to see and it works,
Speaker 13: but it doesn't work super well. So now I have
Speaker 13: a little bit less will, right, So maybe I should do.
Speaker 10: A good joke. But if I do another new joke again,
Speaker 10: I'd lose them.
Speaker 13: Now I have no good will, and now I have
Speaker 13: to kind of restart and do a bunch of I know,
Speaker 13: tried and true jokes.
Speaker 4: Maybe you should do what rock bands do Now, we're
Speaker 4: gonna do some jokes off our new album, and then
Speaker 4: everybody can go get a beer. Yeah, and you just
Speaker 4: work stuff out like that.
Speaker 10: I do do that a little bit. Sometimes I'll be like, hey,
Speaker 10: I just film special.
Speaker 13: Here's some jokes that are I'll say, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 13: going to work on some new stuff. And by new stuff,
Speaker 13: I mean we're doing these jokes for a couple of
Speaker 13: years now.
Speaker 4: They still don't work, and you're just gonna keep just
Speaker 4: hammering away at it.
Speaker 13: And I'll just pull out a note card and just
Speaker 13: look through a couple Sometimes it's fun to do that
Speaker 13: with the crowd of just here's some new jokes. I'm
Speaker 13: gonna try them off this note card, and they're not
Speaker 13: is for me. When they're new, it's a little tedious. Sorry,
Speaker 13: But when they're new, it's not so much that they're bad,
Speaker 13: it's just that they're not connected. I have a long
Speaker 13: joke of connected ideas. What you actually have to do
Speaker 13: is like building mosaic. You have to have all the
Speaker 13: little pieces. You don't write it as one long joke.
Speaker 13: You write a bunch of jokes and then find a
Speaker 13: way to connect together. So what I need is the
Speaker 13: pieces any a couple of one minute jokes. So I'm
Speaker 13: gonna try a joke about men's fashion.
Speaker 10: Do I have any other jokes about men's fashion.
Speaker 13: No, but I'm gonna get this one working, and then
Speaker 13: one day I will need a joke about men's fashion.
Speaker 10: And it's to get the perfect puzzle.
Speaker 4: Matthew Brissard is this weekend at the Landmark South Comedy
Speaker 4: Works location, and I feel like you're probably better for
Speaker 4: a for a smart audience, I hope, So I'd like
Speaker 4: to be well, I mean, you're a computational math nerds,
Speaker 4: so what else? I mean, what else do you need
Speaker 4: to know?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: Everyone, if you're an idiot, you can still come. Uh,
Speaker 4: there will be no math at the actual event. Maybe
Speaker 4: a math joke. But Matthew, thank you so much for
Speaker 4: coming in. I really appreciate it, and you're gonna crush
Speaker 4: it this weekend. Now I should ask you if you
Speaker 4: want to play our dumb game that we play at
Speaker 4: the end of every show. But some people are like
Speaker 4: they lock up in any kind of competitive situation. But
Speaker 4: I feel like you're smarty and you could probably pull
Speaker 4: us off.
Speaker 13: I have a website of over five hundred puzzles I
Speaker 13: designed myself on Monday find.
Speaker 5: It dot com.
Speaker 13: You do the cross road every day. I really really
Speaker 13: get intense about.
Speaker 4: Games you're in. It's called of the day and it
Speaker 4: goes like this here, sit right over there, right, and
Speaker 4: now it's time for the most exciting segment on the radio.
Speaker 4: Oven's gone hit it, Ryan.
Speaker 11: Do it?
Speaker 4: No, Ryan's got it.
Speaker 5: Of the day.
Speaker 4: All right, First we do Dad joke of the day.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you do any Dad jokes because
Speaker 4: you're not Dad yet. So we'll see what is our
Speaker 4: dad joke of the day. Please grant dad joke of
Speaker 4: the day.
Speaker 7: What occurred when the cup of coffee got offended by
Speaker 7: a joke?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 10: He steamed?
Speaker 4: Hah. Yes, there you go, Dad joke of the day.
Speaker 4: Today's word is today? Please we guess badly what this
Speaker 4: word might be.
Speaker 5: So what is it? Grant?
Speaker 4: I thank you? Guys will both guess correctly. Okay. Lucid lucid.
Speaker 4: Lucid means you're awake, in paying attention and conscious aware.
Speaker 10: It's aware.
Speaker 13: Yes, I was going to say, it's when your ego
Speaker 13: has been let off the leash.
Speaker 5: Oh I like that.
Speaker 9: You are.
Speaker 4: Much You did yes, I think we're right about that.
Speaker 4: Today's trivia question what Romantic Comedy stars Billy Crystal and
Speaker 4: Meg Ryan as friends who are considering taking their relationship
Speaker 4: to the next level. And if y'all don't know this,
Speaker 4: thank you, Brian.
Speaker 10: I thought you were going to say here today the
Speaker 10: Billy Crystal movie.
Speaker 4: Harris, and yeah, stop it anyway, Okay, now here's how
Speaker 4: this works. Matthew. We played Jeopardy and it's a blood
Speaker 4: sport on this show. So if you know the answer
Speaker 4: to the question, you do not have to wait until
Speaker 4: the end to yell out your name, Matthew, and then
Speaker 4: you answer in the form of question to yell out
Speaker 4: your name, and then you answer the form of question.
Speaker 4: What do you'll recognize? I've been doing this for a
Speaker 4: long time. We're just letting you know.
Speaker 13: Here it is.
Speaker 4: Ryan's won the last three what's her Jeopardy category? Well,
Speaker 4: we're going back to sports, so he'll probably for me
Speaker 4: to really know right category one.
Speaker 7: Okay, we will do propositional book titles, Oh god, Okay.
Speaker 7: This novel was originally published as Latour DuMond in Quatre
Speaker 7: Ving's Yours Matthews Ahead.
Speaker 4: Around the World in eighty days. Will wait, Matthew, I
Speaker 4: heard I took Spanish and not French, so eighty is.
Speaker 13: Actually literally four twenty cat is four twenty. They don't
Speaker 13: have the word eighty. Oh wow, wow, it's.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 4: Okay. Next question.
Speaker 7: This Stephen King novel has Chester's Mill, Maine suddenly sealed
Speaker 7: off from the rest of the world by an invisible
Speaker 7: force field.
Speaker 4: Manny, what is it? No, that's the clown one day?
Speaker 10: Correct chess with the preposition I know.
Speaker 4: Preposition preposition?
Speaker 10: Matthew, what is into thin air?
Speaker 4: Incorrect?
Speaker 10: Okay?
Speaker 4: Crying anything, but I can't. I can't think of it
Speaker 4: right now? Is it under the dome?
Speaker 2: Moving on?
Speaker 10: Okay?
Speaker 7: And this Nick Hornby novel, a twelve year old misfit
Speaker 7: and a thirty six year old man child strike up
Speaker 7: a friendship, Manny?
Speaker 2: What is and men?
Speaker 4: Incorrect?
Speaker 7: That is a preposition, strike up a friendship that teaches
Speaker 7: them both valuable lessons.
Speaker 4: And it's not creepy at all that a man and
Speaker 4: a trial just strike up a friendship. That's a thirty
Speaker 4: six year old man child. Yeah, no, what is it
Speaker 4: about a boy?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 5: I got that.
Speaker 4: I've seen that movie.
Speaker 10: Ye Radius.
Speaker 7: Ran If you know this Hemingway novel is about Robert Jordan,
Speaker 7: who fights on the losing side many for whom the
Speaker 7: bell tolls. Correct, I'm back to one hate hemywell all right,
Speaker 7: and last one Virginia Wolf used a us.
Speaker 4: Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? Never mind a Virginia Wolf? Youse,
Speaker 4: Stream of Consciousness?
Speaker 7: And this novel about the Ramsey family vacationing on the
Speaker 7: Isle of Sky.
Speaker 4: I need to read more books. Carlo Sky. We have
Speaker 4: no idea. What is that to the lighthouse? Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was a horrible category, but I think Matthew, you one
Speaker 4: was zero yeah, well at zero yeah, when we're out
Speaker 4: of time because we got to make room the unfortune
Speaker 4: coming in grace. Don't see Matthew? Were sorry the smart
Speaker 4: guy this weekend at Comedy Works. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Keep it right here on. We'll be back Monday. Keep
Speaker 4: it right here on.
Speaker 2: Kowa