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when the whole jeckel and hide and the undulation's harder,

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we're tossed to and fro by every wind of negativity,

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the man that can never say a bad word about Brigham.

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Let's welcome him into the show Spencer Linton Coast, the

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bo Sports Nation, part of the BYU TV network.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Spencer?

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Speaker 2: How are you Ben? Good to be with you? Brother?

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While I didn't say anything that could be perceived as

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quote unquote bad, I'd be lying if I said I

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wasn't thinking bad things right along with Kevin Young last night.

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He actually said some hard things and I don't fault

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him for that. A rough, rough night for BYU, And

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it feels super dramatic because it's juxtaposed against the best

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performance of the season seventy two hours before. So it

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just feels like the most dramatic high high and then

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an immediate low low.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the vibe like at the at the arena,

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What was the feel like on the core, What was

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the vibe like from the players the coaching staff like

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throughout the game? And how would you just describe the

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spectacle that was the lost versus U.

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Speaker 1: See they were down thirty for most.

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Speaker 2: Of the game. Yeah, let's go ahead and start chronologically

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with the first frustration timeout that Kevin Young took when

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BYU was down fourteen to four. Before you could say,

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you see and guys came over to the bench, and

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immediately Tim Fanning, who's essentially the defensive coordinator and one

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of Kevin Young's assistants, started talking about effort and the

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game plan of you know what UCF's gonna do. You've

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got to get back on defense. Guys, we know what

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they're gonna try and do, and it just kind of

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seems like BYU never engaged, they got punched super early.

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point something clicks. Sometimes it's at halftime, sometimes it's late

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in the first half, sometimes it's midway through the second half,

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but like typically they will re engage and then go

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on like this crazy run, right, it just never happened

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last night. And Kevin Young said he's been coaching basketball

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for a long time, and he said, occasionally you just

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encountered these games where it feels like absolutely nothing can

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go your way, and it felt like it was a

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comedy of errors and the perfect storm all combined into one,

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and it's not like the guys weren't still playing, but

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it just felt like the details went out the window

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early and it was like, well, what do he want

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us to do? UCF has made eleven of sixteen three

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pointers in the first half. Were down by twenty four.

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of shots that UCF was getting. Everything felt easy, and

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what you called, the message was still the same, like, you, guys,

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where's the intensity, where is the effort you've got to

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get out on shooters. I mean they're feeling it. Guard

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a guy five feet behind the line, like you have

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to be in his face. And so they tried a

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number of different things, tried to go to a zone

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matter what, and went with a bigger lineup to try

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and help it there, and it just felt like nothing

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would work, at least not consistently. So the vibe was

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defeat really. I mean at halftime, when BYU walked into

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the locker room down twenty four, it felt very different

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than previous times when it was like, Okay, well they'll

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make some adjustments and they'll come back and they'll be okay.

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Madison Square Garden and it was like, what the heck

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was that? But they came out with a fury and

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a vengeance. Just felt like Byu was tired and Kevin

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Young said they were sleepwalking, which I think is an

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accurate depiction of what it felt like, and just a

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stunned crowd And didn't help that it was a nine

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pm tip and everyone's tired and impatient and wondering how

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is this the team that we saw beat Iowa State

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three days ago? But they just could not be more different.

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even being on the bench in that Iowa State game

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was an immediate mood lift and such a boost for

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guys like Kava Cata and some of the bench players.

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we meet, We're so glad to have Richie back in

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any capacity. Were Richie's doing his thing. He's having surgery

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this week, so he couldn't be there last night, and

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have been like this magic potion for Byu but my

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point is even him being around the team as a

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true BYU guy brings an immediate change in the atmosphere

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of the locker room, the team dynamic, just because when

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he's around, he makes everybody better. And I hope to

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get him back on the bench as soon as possible.

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I hope as surgery goes super well to replace or

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to rather repair his torn acl and we'll see. But yeah,

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I mean, that's a long answer for you, but there's

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a lot there, because they felt like dead man walking

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about four minutes into the game and it was just like, man,

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can we end this game? When the last time you

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remember Ben thinking like, oh, just end the game and

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like let's get onto the next But that's kind of

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how it felt last night when Bay was down by

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thirty six at one point, absolutely unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Like you've been covering BYU for how long now, Spencer

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at the basketball basketball specifically at the Merritt Center.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is thirteen years.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So in those thirteen years, how many times has

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BYU fans booed their team?

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that last night as the team

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ran out the floor at halftime. Yeah, I thought, wow,

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booze and again. Kevin Young was like, look, they I

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get it. I'm not mad at our fans, Like our

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team deserved it. They played darable. Yeah, And but I

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I was thinking, like I don't remember. I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember the last time and like I mean,

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I've been around since five is when I arrived at BYU,

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Like I don't I don't remember from in the last

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twenty years a BYU basketball team getting booed on their

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home court.

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Speaker 1: Like even when you lost by like thirty.

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Speaker 3: To Gonzaga at home, they weren't getting booed because, like

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the effort was good, It's just Gonzaga was that much

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better and we weren't. Just we just weren't hitting shots right.

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And so they were like, Okay, it wasn't an effort issue.

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Does that make sense? Like I don't remember the last

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twenty years BYU fans going out of the way to

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boo their team.

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Speaker 2: Correct, especially not in the Marriott Center. Do not remember

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a single time.

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Speaker 1: Like Edwards is different.

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Speaker 3: The fans there that boo about anything, right, but like

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married Center's different.

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Speaker 1: Like they don't boo.

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Speaker 3: So do you do you think are do you think

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they're ticked off about are they ticked off more at

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the coaches or the players?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I think it's kind of a combination of everything.

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I think there's frustration that there there are injuries, and

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BYU is I mean, I think all of the frustration

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just boiled over for all of the reasons, injuries piling up,

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inconsistent defense, and I mean, where's the you like to

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use the will of accountability, where is the where is

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the accountability in that it's Is it on the coaches primarily?

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Is it on the players or is it just like

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a perfect mix of both. And I think the answer

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is probably closer to an even draw on that blame.

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But BYU's defense, especially after playing better against Arizona and

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Iowa State, they were engaged, they were better, they executed

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the game plan. They this never showed up last night.

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So I think it all kind of culminated in this.

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Dang it, we miss Richie, we missed Ustin Baker, like

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Cape's hand is injured. We miss Nate Pickens, who's a

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good defender and he's happening to sit out like and

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you've showed us that you're still capable, So what the

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heck changed, And is it on the coaches? Is it

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on the players? Probably both, but I think it's just

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all boiled over. And then we saw them play the

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worst half of basketball we've seen all season. Seventy two

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hours after they're two halves of the best basketball and

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the most complete game they've played. So understand the booze.

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Still kind of shocked by it because it never happens

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at home, And I was trying to think when it

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happened in general from like BYU fans, and I thought

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of two occasions. Remember when by you lost that absolute

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head scratcher at the Depth Center. I think it was

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against South Dakota in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two,

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and it was like by you just lost to a

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team that has a net ranking of like two hundred

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and eighty in Salt Lakes, and fans were they were

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a little disgruntled, and there were some booze and lost

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that game or the game in the West Coast Conference

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Tournament against San Diego in Dave Rose last year when

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it was like four forty seven to nineteen at halftime

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or something, and then there were some booze and a

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lot of frustration. BA fans, But gosh, those were both

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on neutral sites. This one, this one is unique. I

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know you probably want me to answer the question like

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where is more of the accountability? Because I know how

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these coaches operate, and I know them well, and I

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know how they probably would answer. They're gonna say it's

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on them, like they will take the blame. Kevin Young's

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gonna take the blame, like, hey, I have got to

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figure it out. I got to find my core, my rotation.

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I don't know if he deserves it and if Tim

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Fanning deserves it, but he is going to take the

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blame for his players about not having them mentally right

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and then falling victim to the whole old big win

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hangover it felt last night.

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Speaker 3: Yep, No, Dad Spencer letton BYU Sports Nation here on

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your Utah ESPN Radio Network in a cougar beat, talking

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some Brigham basketball. So a couple other things that we've

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been broaching today, is you know, best path forward? Obviously

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there were some a couple of silver linings, ty them,

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russ A Lexikostick. You always like to talk about silver linings,

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where do you see this team going to end the

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the challenge for BYU is to find

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the true ability to have that flush mentality, where like, Okay,

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this is a game where you watch film, you discuss

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basic consistent breakdowns in it and say, we're never going

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to do that again, Like this is absolutely unacceptable effort

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and I don't care who's playing, Like we will find

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the five on the floor who will give maximum effort

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for the whole game. Like that is that's the feeling

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find the five guys who were giving the most consistent

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effort on both ends of the floor. So like locating

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the core of who's going to do that. They thought

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it was Mihaila Boskovich that could be the guy that

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is the consistent starter, and he has been for the

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past few games in place of Richie. But maybe it's

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somebody else. Maybe maybe it's Alexi Kostitch, or maybe it's

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a game where Hadeem Boop starts because they want more

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they just want more energy on the floor immediately. I

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don't know, but like they have to find the core

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and then the great thing about basketball is BYU doesn't

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have to wait that long, like they can just get

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back to work and they got to go win a

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road game at West Virginia, so rediscovering the winning formula

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and getting right back after it. Like it's not like

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football where you have to sometimes like you lose a

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game and you have a buy sometimes you gotta sit

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on the loss for two weeks. BYU doesn't have to

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dwell on this for very long. It's like, Hey, we're

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gonna be on the plane in Morgantown on Thursday, and

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like we got we gotta go again. As far as

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big picture for what was still available for BYU, man

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the loss to UCF really hurts in the Big Twelve

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standings because they only play once speaking of the Knights

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and the Cougars, and now UCF has a full game

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lead on BYU plus the tide breaker with only three

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to play, which means BYU has to win out and

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UCF has to drop two of three games for BYU

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to regain that sixth position for the Big Twelve tournament.

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I don't think it's gonna happen because UCF's schedule includes

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a home game against Baylor, a home game against Oklahoma State,

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and then a road game against West Virginia, so maybe

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they go two and one. BYU wins three. They finished tied,

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but By is most likely going to be the seven

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or Gould the eight seed in Kansas City for the

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Big twelve tournament. Best course of action Ben is just

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beat West Virginia and then figure out how in the

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world you're gonna go to Cincinnati, a place you got

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boat raced in last year, and try and do something

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that you're not expected to do, which is to sweep

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this road trip before you come home. And now have

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to take on a resurgent Texas Tech team playing without JT. Topping,

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but they looked awesome. Christian Anderson's still awesome, And now

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you've got to beat Texas Tech on your home four

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on Senior night when you're honoring Richie, Saunters and Kavakeda

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and you don't want to send them off with a loss.

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So gosh, just just beat West Virginia. Try and write

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the ship a little bit, find your defensive corps and

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start with the simple things. Man. Just effort, consistent effort.

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That's what BA needs to find right now. More than

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anything else.

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Speaker 3: B YU have suffered many season and injuries. This is

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the most season aning injuries I've ever seen in basketball,

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and it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, I don't know how.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll try to diagnose and treat that particular

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issue in the off season, try to figure it all out.

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But I want to ask you this question. So we've

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seen the jackal and hyde, we've seen the ups and

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now we've seen the ceiling. We've kind of seen the

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floor of this team as it is currently constructed. How

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much grace will be what you fans have considering the investment,

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considering the expectation of the preseason, considering everything that has

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gone into not only the personnel on the roster, but

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the personnel and the resource allocation on this staff. Right, Like,

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I wonder if our happiness as people as humans in

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the fallen state that we're in, okay, is it's determined

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by expectations.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, Like, what are expectations and we meet?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: What have we have we met the have we met

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the expectation? Did we get the roy we were looking

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for this year? And I know that there have been

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expectations maybe modified and changed all things considered, right with

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those season any injuries? But what what is what is

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the expectation now going forward.

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Speaker 1: From the the.

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Speaker 3: Fan base, the donor base, the collectives, you know, those

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individuals that have buoyed up this program to to be

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set up for a potential deep run in the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The key to happiness in life really is managing expectations,

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isn't it. It's a simple concept, but it really is true.

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Speaker 3: And tell my wife all the time, Babe, you gotta

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have low expectations with me. Just don't have high expectations.

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You're gonna be a lot happier and.

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Speaker 2: You'll be happy.

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Speaker 1: You're so happy, You're so happy.

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Speaker 2: The question you ask is difficult because it's been such

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a moving target based on who is available and when,

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and the injury is no doubt about that factor in.

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I think once Dawson Baker and Nate Pickens went down,

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it was like, okay, well, we're good as long as

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nobody else gets injured, like this is still like an

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Elite eight caliber team. And then when Richie went down,

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it was like, oh, man, like can BYU win a

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tournament game? And I thought that was a little dramatic

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to think that it's like, okay, stop it. AJ is

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still the best player in college basketball. He is now

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at this point the expected number one pick in the

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NBA draft. You still have Rob right the third, and

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you still have a great length on your team, like

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you have athletes if you as a long team. And

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they showed what they are capable of in the games

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against Arizona and Iowa State when they were playing elite

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level competition and their backs were up against the wall.

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So the OI fan's got a taste of what it

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could look like without Richie, and when they were close

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at Arizona and then finally had to breakthrough against Iowa State.

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I think it went from man, can BYU win again?

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Can they can? They? Can they even get out of

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the second round? Two? Okay, yep, UYU is still Sweet sixteen? Good,

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We're good, right bee? Diowa State? Like yep, like DUI

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still Sweet sixteen team. But after last night, it's like again, oh, man, well,

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what if the OA gets like a seven seed in

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the NCAA tournament and they're in a brutal seven to

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ten matchup and it's not great? Like are they are

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they gonna get upset in the first round? Like any

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if they win the first round, is there any chance

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they could beat a two seed and get to the

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sweet sixteen. No way you can expect that that that

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BA is gonna all of a sudden magically rediscover what

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they did against Iaowa. Say, it's all about matchups in

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March madness, It's all about the matchups, and the prospect

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of BA being a seven and taking on a two

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is not great at the moment because you just you're

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kind of floundering for consistency. So I would say that

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right now the general expectation, and I would love to

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hear if people feel differently about this, But I mean,

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I've talked to a lot of people. I spend a

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lot of time with BYU personnel, whether it's staff, coaches

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and athletic administrators, school officials, and then obviously we're dialed

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into the fan base through our social media interactions. But

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if I'm kind of combining all of that right now

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for what Bye's expectation is this season, in the moment,

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it's it's probably okay. Ba's probably a second round exit

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from the NCAA tournament, and that will feel disappointing because

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of everything that's gone into this, even with the injuries,

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even with the excuses, Like I think the expectation is, yeah,

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probably win a game, and then fingers crossed, like maybe

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they make you know, they do something that they haven't

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done a lot of the season. They make a bunch

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of threes, like they bring great effort, and then they

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get out of the second round. They get back to

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the Sweet sixteen. But I don't see how it's fair

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to expect this currently constituted team with who is available,

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to go farther than the Sweet sixteen. And maybe you

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feel differently, Ben, but I feel like if BYU got

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to the sweet sixteen after everything that has happened, most

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people would feel like, gosh, you know, it was a

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wild ride, a lot ups and downs. But BA got

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to another Sweet sixteen, back to back Sweet sixteens for

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the first time ever. AJ was incredible. We'll call it good,

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Like get to the sweet sixteen, We'll call it good.

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But I think people are not saying the quiet part

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out loud, which is this is probably a second round

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exit team right now, and we're hoping it ends in

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the sweet sixteen at least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, quota expectations, they got to win it, well, at

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least one game. If they don't win one game, an

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CUA tournament bou fans are going to be to oed.

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Speaker 2: Then it's gonna be really weird. Absolutely, they're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Be to o all right, Spencer Lytton, we appreciate you,

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We love you. Thanks for hopping out for a Cougar beat.

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Let us know you need anything from us. Thanks for

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all that you do.

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Speaker 2: You got it, brother. Just remember this DYU team. They're

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still twenty and eight, still twenty one in the net,

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still have aj still have rob right third, still have

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shown the capability to be a competent team. So my

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word of caution as I say goodbye to you guys

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is do not judge EYU on the Pinnacle game against

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Iowa State. Do not base your judgment of this team

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on the low point either. Rather look at the whole resume,

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which is they've still beaten five Quad one teams and

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their worst losses are against Oklahoma State and UCF, which

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are Quad two. BYU is the team that has played

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twenty eight games, that they have been showing you consistently,

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especially over the last few weeks, which is hey still

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top twenty five calibers, still in the six seed range.

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Like I think they're going to prove it again when

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they go and win at least one of these two

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road games. And I think they're going to beat Texas

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Tech on Senior Night, and we're all going to be saying, Okay, yeah,

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there was a regression of the mean. This team is

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still worthy of a six seed in the NCAA Tournament

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regardless of what happens in Kansas City. And that, my friends,

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is how I will end that. But I appreciate you guys,

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thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, always a blessing.

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