WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.000 I'll take one? 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:22.719 What help? 5 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:28.519 What's up? Everybody? Welcome to another Headless's Magical Mailbag. Go 6 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:30.800 ahead and like the stream and share with your friends. 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:34.520 Let's get right into it. So let's see, we got 8 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:37.759 a big show coming up tomorrow with Julia. We're talking 9 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.920 about Gremlins, right, yes. 10 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:42.679 Yes, Gin's yeah, kin kind of keep it for the Christmas, 11 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:43.679 you know, season. 12 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.880 Going, you know, Gremlins, die Hard, Hope, he's good for Christmas. 13 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:50.759 Indeed, there's an invisible pantheon of all these movies that 14 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.840 sort of merge together into the single Christmas idea. 15 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:57.359 Death and money. 16 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:01.719 Yeah, we got that. Go ahead. 17 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:05.480 So I've been to these uh, you know, nostalgia cafes 18 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:07.599 and it's like, so this is what it feels like 19 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:12.519 to be old. Yeah, yeah, all the stuff from the eighties, 20 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.719 and I'm like, I recognize all this. This is from 21 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:15.400 my childhood. 22 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.480 What the Yeah, I was like, I had that lunch box. Right, 23 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:24.439 You're like, fuck, wow, I'm old. I'm nostalgic now, right. 24 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.959 I remember going to the Nostalgia Blazes with my parents 25 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:31.319 and thinking how old they were. They just remembered all 26 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:32.359 that stuff firsthand. 27 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.840 So yeah, right, your music, wished music that we listened 28 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.920 to is already could be considered classic by now right, 29 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:39.959 which is crazy. 30 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:41.359 Right. 31 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:43.359 I stay away from the classic rock stations because I 32 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:44.000 don't want to feel that. 33 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.879 Yeah. 34 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:50.200 Yeah, another thing we got coming up too. We got 35 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:52.640 Greg K from a Cult of Personality coming on Saturday. 36 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:54.799 That's a pretty big show in the ecult community. So 37 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:55.760 pretty impressed. 38 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.920 Pull very nice. Yeah, looking forward to that. 39 00:01:57.920 --> 00:01:59.879 Very nice. What's his special? 40 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:01.920 What does he uh, you know, what tell you the 41 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:02.760 truth in practicing? 42 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:03.159 I don't know. 43 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.000 I just know he's always had like these. He just 44 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:07.359 has all these big name guests on from the ecult community. 45 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:09.000 That's all right. 46 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:11.240 Yeah, it was kind of like somebody like him, And 47 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.759 Ruin Soup was well, Rune Soup, I know what he's 48 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.560 into because he talks about it oftenly. But those two 49 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.479 shows I remember, like when I was in the occult 50 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.639 community kind of like just practicing and not really in 51 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.719 the conspiracy community. Those were like kind of like the 52 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:26.520 Tint and Foil hat fucking podcasts of the occult community, 53 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.199 so exciting them in like Glyitch Bottle, you know who, 54 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.199 you know, those great shows. 55 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.800 That's been good. I like the shift that we're sort 56 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.879 of moving away from like all the conspiracy stuff, focusing 57 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.280 solely on the occult stuff because there's so much more 58 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:49.039 scholarship and like actual yeah, you know, writings about this 59 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.960 stuff that's kind of professional as opposed to like the lizards. 60 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:57.120 Yeah, there's too much like yeah, yeah, I hear what 61 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:57.520 you're saying. 62 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.319 This is a little bit more like, I guess, fact 63 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:01.719 than fiction when it comes to covering this stuff believe 64 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:01.960 it or. 65 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:06.439 Not, right, which is crazy when you think about it exactly. 66 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:13.759 So I got my symbol here, let's go to this one. 67 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:18.840 This is the hieroglyph for shut, or the Egyptian concept 68 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:23.000 of the soul, So this is it's also known as 69 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.919 the shadow, so they called it the shut pronounced shoot, 70 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.719 to be another part of a person's soul. There are 71 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.639 very few pictures of the shut, but it's normally depicted 72 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:40.199 as a silhouette with a single eye. So it was 73 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.960 said to be for opening the tomb for the bos 74 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.879 spirit and the shadow so that they may go out 75 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.719 in the day. These two elements, the Ba and the shut, 76 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:54.080 often appear in similar contexts like the Book of the Dead, 77 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:57.840 so that is the shut. Now I want to see 78 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.199 what the other version looks like, but I couldn't find 79 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.560 it anywhere, and it was hard to even find this one. 80 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.000 So what do you think of that It seems like 81 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:06.599 a mushroom? 82 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.879 Yeah, yeah, right, I think it's kind of funny how 83 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:11.319 it looks a little bit likely the thing I was 84 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.680 gonna show. That's really but I mean a little bit. 85 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:19.920 But yeah, it does look like a mushroom. 86 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.279 Right, And this would just be the word. This isn't 87 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.680 the actual like picture of the shut, but I feel 88 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:27.000 like going out in the day means some sort of 89 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:33.199 relationship to maybe a shadow that can, you know, be 90 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.680 visible during the daytime, or some kind of a spirit 91 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.839 that actually has corporeal form during the daytime. It reminded 92 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.040 me of shadow people a lot. They've got the shadow 93 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.720 as the sort of soul or this wandering image of 94 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.879 a soul. But who knows. Maybe they had different languages 95 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:52.959 and this was from a different culture that just sort 96 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.279 of got integrated there because they had so many different 97 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.040 words for the different parts of the soul. It's really 98 00:04:58.040 --> 00:04:58.519 hard to know. 99 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.560 That would act should be an interesting topic if we 100 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:03.040 covered all that. 101 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.000 That is, so the Egyptian soul. 102 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:10.160 Yeah, that's a whole ass Yeah, that's what I'm saying that. 103 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:11.160 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 104 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.319 That's a whole fucking probably few shows if you really 105 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.480 want to get into it, all right, Yeah, I. 106 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:22.120 Do like who like Cathonic imagery, Just Cathonic imagery from 107 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:23.560 all over the place. I think that'd be. 108 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:25.240 Hell, yeah, that would be. 109 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:29.079 Actually I found was that a lot of the Cathonic 110 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:33.480 gods aren't supposed to be named, Like you're not supposed 111 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.879 to say their name out loud because that'll get their attentions. 112 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.079 But yeah, so interesting. I wonder if I'll have any 113 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:42.680 shadow then, because I said, shit. 114 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.079 Oh shit, oh shit, shot. 115 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.040 All right, let's see what you got here. 116 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.000 All right now, I was trying to copyhead this a 117 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.959 little bit. So, oh what is this? This is called 118 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:59.639 the rod and ring Mesopotamia's measure of kingship. The rod 119 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.480 and ring almost always shown together in a god's grasp, 120 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.720 a straight measuring rod beside a loop that many scholars 121 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:12.120 read as a coiled cord or line. On Hamarabi's stella, 122 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:17.240 Samas offers them to the king and uh yeah, and 123 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.959 Hamarabi stelly Sammaras offers them to the king. In other works, 124 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.879 the deity simply holds them as emblems of divine prerogative 125 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:30.759 or kind of symbol. Modern synthesis synthesis describes the pair 126 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:35.600 of as surveying instruments the rod in line used to 127 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.800 lay out straight foundations and to ensure a fair measure, 128 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.560 hence their tight connection to justice. Alternate readings kind of 129 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.120 would consider it a scepter or a datum, or a 130 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.680 shepherd's crook or rope. 131 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.399 My opinion, I mean, I don't know. 132 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:56.160 I think this is one of those things that when 133 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.600 the scholars telling you what the ship this this ship means, 134 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.720 I think that gets lost because I think it's a 135 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.920 little bit more than just or even they could be right, 136 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:06.600 but it's probably more of me, deeper of a mathematic 137 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.040 understanding than what they're getting, you know, what they think 138 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:09.360 it is. 139 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:12.000 That's just my opinion. 140 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.800 If I held this thing and they made a picture 141 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.839 of me holding this thing and some king held the 142 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.560 same thing, would that make me a king? And they 143 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.279 don't really think like that, so they're like, oh, it's 144 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.639 a symbol of royalty. Actually it could be something completely different, 145 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.600 but you're just associating with royalty, because that's how you 146 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.639 see holding it. But it could have been doing something 147 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:32.360 else entirely. 148 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:34.600 It was like, remember when we were kids, didn't they 149 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:36.279 have like a stick and a hoop that people used 150 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.639 to play with. Oh, that was even before ros Maybe 151 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:43.959 that's what he was doing. That's a toy when it 152 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.600 first shows up and where it travels you get it 153 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.759 in youre from the Around the twenty first century BCE, 154 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.959 fragments of the ern Namu Stelli already show a great 155 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.279 God presenting the rotten ring to the Samerian king. One 156 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.199 of the earliest clearest renderings of the chords as coiled line, 157 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:08.839 an old Babylonian eighteenth century BCE, the Stellae of Hammurabi 158 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.399 fixes the image in a global imagination some asses and throne, 159 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:17.519 extending the pair below that there will be about four 160 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:21.040 thousand plus lines of supposed legal text. 161 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:22.839 That's another thing too. 162 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.759 A lot of times I just wonder, like this stuff 163 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:27.399 that they're saying is like legal texts, or like, oh, 164 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:29.519 it's just talking about like you know, how many grains 165 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:30.240 were sold today? 166 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:31.600 Is that correct? I don't know. 167 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:39.159 Maybe the Levar's Catalog explicitly describes the God tendant circle 168 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.759 at Batan offering a circle and staff. 169 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.519 That's what that meant on the Euphrates. 170 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.519 Around eighteenth century BCE, the Palace Fresco, known as an 171 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:57.360 investiture of Zimri Limb shows Istar conferring the rod and 172 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:01.320 ring and a state right. The painting was found in 173 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.120 Court one O six Court of the Palms and is. 174 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:07.159 Now in Louvre wherever Lovre is. 175 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:13.919 There's another one that's from a Neo Assyrian from second 176 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:20.120 century to the first first of BCE, and uh on Kaduru, 177 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.879 which is boundary stones and cylinder seals. 178 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:24.360 You'll see it the album. 179 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.480 The emblems reoccur among divine symbols that guaranteed grants and 180 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:35.200 oats visual mico contracts. Any viewer could read museum's note 181 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.759 that explains how much museums. Museum notes explain how much 182 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:44.799 stones combined images of the gods with legal texts what 183 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:48.200 it means to them. Some people are saying the text 184 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:53.039 and Sumerian him Nana's descent. The goddess outfits herself with 185 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:59.120 lapis lazuli, measuring rod and measuring line before entering the underworld. 186 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.159 Proof that rod in line were named tools of measure 187 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:08.759 in sacred context get if they're understanding it correctly. I 188 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:10.399 would even wonder if that has something to do with 189 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:14.519 linear I mean time in itself. Those shapes could be 190 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:16.120 linear circular. 191 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:18.519 Iconography. 192 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:25.360 Scholarly treatments of Haram Hamurabi and Marie's investiture argue that 193 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:28.799 pair are surveying and measurement instruments, implying for laying out 194 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.559 straight foundations and by extension, for establishing order. 195 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.120 Equity and just rule. Who made it? 196 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.200 And you know, according to this it could have just 197 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:46.720 been pretty much just people that were into building that stuff, 198 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.639 people into stone plaster. There isn't any specific name a 199 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:53.960 person that it goes back to. I mean, that's really 200 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.240 it just figured cover that one. 201 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:02.000 It seems like that could be a crossbar for a scale, right, 202 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:03.960 so if you hang something off on one end and 203 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.000 you hang something on the other end, then it's sort 204 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.080 of balancing between the. 205 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.759 Two of them. Yeah, you know what I mean. 206 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.159 So it's like it's a measuring device certainly, but it's 207 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.720 just not hooked up to the two baskets on either side. 208 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:16.639 Yeah. 209 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.679 I just feel like sometimes he's something The way that 210 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:21.840 they look at this stuff, I just don't know. 211 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:23.840 I question how close they are to it. 212 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.759 Right, it's just you know, what the thing is is 213 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.399 just like I don't know, like all the other shit 214 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.360 that's probably like if I was to show this. 215 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.559 Image, I mean, we all know what it is probably anyway, 216 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:35.519 if we were. 217 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.399 To show that image, it'd be so much a cult 218 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.200 art on it already that it's just like that, that's 219 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:43.159 really just that and that's it, you know what I'm saying, Like, 220 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.039 it just doesn't seem to fit in with everything else 221 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:46.799 in mind trying to be told and said. 222 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:49.919 I mean, they could be right, but I just feel like, 223 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:50.399 I don't. 224 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.480 Know, there's something else besides what they're saying. Right. 225 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.279 It just reminded me of the the Libra glyph, you know, yeah, 226 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:00.399 you just take that little part out then you know 227 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.320 on leavers the scale so exactly. 228 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.440 Oh yeah, and measuring again, Yeah, I mean I'm getting it. 229 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.759 I mean it could be but like what are we 230 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:10.799 measuring for? All? 231 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.279 We know? That could be like what you're going on 232 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:13.799 with the two different types of time. 233 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:19.759 Right, Yeah. The cultural context for this stuff is so 234 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.519 you know, obscured by history because this could be slang. 235 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.240 You know, nobody thinks of that. This could be a 236 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:27.440 slang for something else. 237 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:29.360 So yo, you think that? 238 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:30.919 Yo? I never thought of that. 239 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:32.120 You think they had slang back then? 240 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.039 They had to have, right, Oh, of course, yeah. 241 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:36.039 I wonder what they like. 242 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.000 I wonder what the ship was like and what their 243 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:39.320 ship talking was like back then. 244 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:46.960 I'm sure they weren't going around saying six to seven. 245 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.759 Or they were Yeah, and it actually meant something, right. 246 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:55.240 Well, think about the sat or square right, So all 247 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:58.000 these people were using it. I very very much doubt 248 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.559 that any of them really understood it. It was that s 249 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:06.759 you know, they just sort of made it. I yes, 250 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:12.320 we thought it looked cool. Excuse me, we got any 251 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.440 what we do? This one is by jay A? 252 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:18.960 Did you did you? Did you read any of it before? 253 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:23.559 Always makes me nervous. I don't check the smell before 254 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:24.399 you start reading. 255 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:27.360 I don't. I want to poison myself. 256 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:28.480 No, I get it. 257 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.279 I get it now, I do. I do get it though. 258 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:35.240 This one is from Jaya. It says, all right, jets, 259 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.720 here's one for you. Many years ago, I joined in 260 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:42.720 a cult organization. I won't say which one, excuse me. 261 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.879 I immediately began receiving phone calls from members asking me to 262 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:49.200 hang out, which was fine. By me except for one thing. 263 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:51.799 Within a few days of hanging out with them, I 264 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.639 get a phone call from one of the leaders of 265 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.399 the organization who would repeat back to me what I'd 266 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:03.159 shared in private with my new friends, and even worse, 267 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:07.840 admonish the things I'd discussed. Needless to say, I did 268 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.960 not appreciate. Oh he's got one too, it looks like 269 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:12.879 those are separated. 270 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:13.759 Yeah. 271 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.879 Sorry, I didn't know if they were separated or actually together, 272 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.120 so that sort of clears it up for me. Maybe 273 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:25.320 there was a sort of a game that they would 274 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:30.120 play in the hand that would show mastery, and then 275 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:32.159 maybe that's kingling or something. I don't know. 276 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:33.279 I don't know. 277 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:37.080 Needless to say, not only did I not appreciate my 278 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.600 new friends betraying my trust, I also did not take 279 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.919 kindly to someone trying to control every facet of the 280 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.519 personal path I was trying to walk. This all quickly 281 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:51.639 culminated to a final phone call with the head guy, 282 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.080 who insulted me so deeply I literally told him to 283 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.000 go fuck himself and hung up the phone. He called 284 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.639 back several times and I refused to add Now the 285 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.000 house I lived in at the time, at a huge 286 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:08.240 backyard which I always kept two camping chairs in. On 287 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:11.080 the night of the final argument, as I was getting 288 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:14.200 back home and approaching the backyard, I saw what looked 289 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.879 like someone sitting in one of those chairs. It was dark, 290 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.759 so it was hard to be sure at first, but 291 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:23.840 as I got closer I became obvious there was a 292 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:27.240 pitch black figure sitting in one of my chairs. The 293 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:33.080 shot shot. I stopped in my tracks as I wondered 294 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:38.000 with someone why someone would be sitting there by himself 295 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:39.960 in the middle of the night and not even say 296 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.279 anything when he could clearly see me approaching. Another pitch 297 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.200 black figure came from behind me and whizzed by so 298 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:51.399 fast and silently that I immediately reached the conclusion that these 299 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:55.120 things were not human. I looked at the chair again 300 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:59.200 and it was now clearly empty. I turned to him, 301 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.559 mocked the glass door which led into the house, and 302 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.519 as I glanced up, a third black figure whizzed by 303 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.120 the window on the other side of the room, again 304 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:13.440 at an humanly fast speed, and again in complete silence. 305 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:16.840 I have to be honest, I had no idea what 306 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.799 to do. I unlocked the door, went straight to my room, 307 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.360 lit some candles, and tried to calm myself down. The 308 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:25.639 next day, a friend of mine came over and did 309 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:29.240 a protection ritual in the backyard. And now, I like 310 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.879 your honest opinions on something. Maybe I'm an idiot, but 311 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:35.720 I'll keep holding on to this idea that the exploration 312 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.799 of the secrets of the universe should involve integrity and 313 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.120 perhaps even crazy as it sounds, be used for the 314 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.000 betterment of humanity. And yet most of the people I 315 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.399 meet in these groups could not only describe I could 316 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:52.639 not only describe as selfish and conniving. If not pure evil, 317 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.759 does empathy have no place in the esoteric world. If 318 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:00.559 occult knowledge gives us extra insight, abilities, or strength, why 319 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.839 not just use it for egocentric power trips. I have 320 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.920 to be honest. I vociferously studied and explored for many years, 321 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.799 but quickly reached the conclusion that I don't want to 322 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.640 have anything to do with supernatural dark beings. I chose 323 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.680 not to cast curses, and I refuse to send shadow 324 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.799 people on anyone. And I'm still convinced that doing so 325 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.960 makes you an asshole. So on the other hand, I 326 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:29.559 can now say with certainty that shadow people exist. Thanks guys, 327 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.559 earnestly looking forward to your responses, JA, So as you've 328 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.039 sort of encountered that world as well, what do you 329 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.000 think I. 330 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.599 Mean, is it possible that they did that? I guess so, 331 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:46.079 But like, all right, how I'm gonna I would assume 332 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:49.640 if this guy's talking to the head motherfucker right away, 333 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.200 obviously it's probably not anything serious like this isn't the 334 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.599 O to you. There's no way I'm getting touches some 335 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.079 disease like that's just not happening. So this must have 336 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:01.079 been a smaller order. I'm just gonna order some like 337 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.440 something that's like, you know, like a little bit above 338 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.440 like a witch's covin, you know nothing, probably legit, legit. 339 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:10.119 At that point, I wouldn't be too scared because I 340 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:11.960 think I just have a bunch of fake motherfuckers that 341 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.400 are actually probably just trying to create an order so 342 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:15.799 they can you know, get pussy. 343 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.359 And make some money. Uh. 344 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.640 But you sometimes you have to wonder, you have to worry. 345 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:27.000 I mean, I will say I when I left the OTO, 346 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.599 I didn't really have any problems except for getting copyright 347 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:34.400 strike slapped on me for shit. But I don't know 348 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.000 that's a very uh that's a weird situation. I mean, 349 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.200 that's kind of shitty, uh that that would happen. But 350 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:44.079 I mean I don't know, uh believe it or not. 351 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:45.279 I don't know. 352 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.480 I probably choked that up to like something weird instead 353 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.240 of actually maybe coming from the people themselves. 354 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:54.119 That's just my opinion. I don't know. Like there's a 355 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:55.000 lot of people. 356 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.720 I just don't think in the magic community that really 357 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.839 have a fucking clue. So I don't know if i'd 358 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:01.119 really have to be worried about psych get attacks from people. 359 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:05.519 But again, you never know, right, you know, who knows. 360 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:07.960 I mean, it's a good thing. I will tell you 361 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:09.279 one thing, and you know, and now I'll go on 362 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:11.400 with kind of another question that he asked. 363 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:12.680 You're probably better off that. 364 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.680 You left these things from stuff that I had noticed, 365 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.000 I could have probably easily let people's personalities control my 366 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.960 life in the OTO. I don't know what the fuck 367 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.400 it is, man, Like I thought it was just maybe 368 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:32.359 my experience, and like, you know, when I left the OTO, 369 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.480 I kind of just went more into the occult, well 370 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.559 in the conspiracy community, amongst like the people talking about 371 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:43.319 the occult. But you know, then kind of coming back now, 372 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.960 back into the magical community of the witchcraft community and 373 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:51.359 not really being exposed to the OTO in just other areas. Yo, 374 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:53.960 there is something to fuck up with Fascism and fall 375 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:57.720 left shit just being pushed like this person. And when 376 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.880 I say that, fall after reason, and I'm saying that 377 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.119 is because I feel like that side, well, each side has. 378 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:06.680 Its own way that they fucking deal with their emotions. 379 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:11.000 But the left side just seems to be very, very, 380 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:16.480 very fucking focused on sympathy and not empathy. You have 381 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:20.240 to feel for fucking everyone. There's some fucking kid in 382 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:22.279 Zimbabwe that puts out a video and he's upset. You 383 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:24.480 better fucking feel for him and stand up for him too. 384 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:30.279 This shit is sick. It's fucking weird. They want you 385 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:32.559 to be a slave to everybody else and be a 386 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:33.359 fucking bitch. 387 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.680 It is fucking bizarre. I don't get it. 388 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.000 It's like, I understand people get into this shit because 389 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.880 they're scared as fuck, but like, go, don't expect me 390 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.240 to cook for you fucking constantly because you're just a 391 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.000 scared motherfucker getting into this shit trying to find fucking 392 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:48.759 power somehow. 393 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.079 It is fucking weird. 394 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.079 It's like what he's saying, like people that are gonna, like, 395 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.519 you know, start doing like psychological attacks and stuff like that. 396 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.680 People who do that, they're straight up fucking pussies, man, 397 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:02.839 fucking for real. 398 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:06.599 So, uh, you're probably better off there from. 399 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.119 But but this seems to be something that is just 400 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:13.200 it's it seems to be like some growing thing that like, 401 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.319