Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen?
Speaker 3: I'll take one?
Speaker 1: What help?
Speaker 3: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to another Headless's Magical Mailbag. Go
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Speaker 3: Let's get right into it. So let's see, we got
Speaker 3: a big show coming up tomorrow with Julia. We're talking
Speaker 3: about Gremlins, right, yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, Gin's yeah, kin kind of keep it for the Christmas,
Speaker 4: you know, season.
Speaker 1: Going, you know, Gremlins, die Hard, Hope, he's good for Christmas.
Speaker 3: Indeed, there's an invisible pantheon of all these movies that
Speaker 3: sort of merge together into the single Christmas idea.
Speaker 1: Death and money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got that. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: So I've been to these uh, you know, nostalgia cafes
Speaker 3: and it's like, so this is what it feels like
Speaker 3: to be old. Yeah, yeah, all the stuff from the eighties,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I recognize all this. This is from
Speaker 3: my childhood.
Speaker 4: What the Yeah, I was like, I had that lunch box. Right,
Speaker 4: You're like, fuck, wow, I'm old. I'm nostalgic now, right.
Speaker 3: I remember going to the Nostalgia Blazes with my parents
Speaker 3: and thinking how old they were. They just remembered all
Speaker 3: that stuff firsthand.
Speaker 4: So yeah, right, your music, wished music that we listened
Speaker 4: to is already could be considered classic by now right,
Speaker 4: which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I stay away from the classic rock stations because I
Speaker 3: don't want to feel that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, another thing we got coming up too. We got
Speaker 4: Greg K from a Cult of Personality coming on Saturday.
Speaker 4: That's a pretty big show in the ecult community. So
Speaker 4: pretty impressed.
Speaker 1: Pull very nice. Yeah, looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: Very nice. What's his special?
Speaker 2: What does he uh, you know, what tell you the
Speaker 2: truth in practicing?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just know he's always had like these. He just
Speaker 4: has all these big name guests on from the ecult community.
Speaker 1: That's all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was kind of like somebody like him, And
Speaker 4: Ruin Soup was well, Rune Soup, I know what he's
Speaker 4: into because he talks about it oftenly. But those two
Speaker 4: shows I remember, like when I was in the occult
Speaker 4: community kind of like just practicing and not really in
Speaker 4: the conspiracy community. Those were like kind of like the
Speaker 4: Tint and Foil hat fucking podcasts of the occult community,
Speaker 4: so exciting them in like Glyitch Bottle, you know who,
Speaker 4: you know, those great shows.
Speaker 3: That's been good. I like the shift that we're sort
Speaker 3: of moving away from like all the conspiracy stuff, focusing
Speaker 3: solely on the occult stuff because there's so much more
Speaker 3: scholarship and like actual yeah, you know, writings about this
Speaker 3: stuff that's kind of professional as opposed to like the lizards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's too much like yeah, yeah, I hear what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 4: This is a little bit more like, I guess, fact
Speaker 4: than fiction when it comes to covering this stuff believe
Speaker 4: it or.
Speaker 3: Not, right, which is crazy when you think about it exactly.
Speaker 3: So I got my symbol here, let's go to this one.
Speaker 3: This is the hieroglyph for shut, or the Egyptian concept
Speaker 3: of the soul, So this is it's also known as
Speaker 3: the shadow, so they called it the shut pronounced shoot,
Speaker 3: to be another part of a person's soul. There are
Speaker 3: very few pictures of the shut, but it's normally depicted
Speaker 3: as a silhouette with a single eye. So it was
Speaker 3: said to be for opening the tomb for the bos
Speaker 3: spirit and the shadow so that they may go out
Speaker 3: in the day. These two elements, the Ba and the shut,
Speaker 3: often appear in similar contexts like the Book of the Dead,
Speaker 3: so that is the shut. Now I want to see
Speaker 3: what the other version looks like, but I couldn't find
Speaker 3: it anywhere, and it was hard to even find this one.
Speaker 3: So what do you think of that It seems like
Speaker 3: a mushroom?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, I think it's kind of funny how
Speaker 4: it looks a little bit likely the thing I was
Speaker 4: gonna show. That's really but I mean a little bit.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it does look like a mushroom.
Speaker 3: Right, And this would just be the word. This isn't
Speaker 3: the actual like picture of the shut, but I feel
Speaker 3: like going out in the day means some sort of
Speaker 3: relationship to maybe a shadow that can, you know, be
Speaker 3: visible during the daytime, or some kind of a spirit
Speaker 3: that actually has corporeal form during the daytime. It reminded
Speaker 3: me of shadow people a lot. They've got the shadow
Speaker 3: as the sort of soul or this wandering image of
Speaker 3: a soul. But who knows. Maybe they had different languages
Speaker 3: and this was from a different culture that just sort
Speaker 3: of got integrated there because they had so many different
Speaker 3: words for the different parts of the soul. It's really
Speaker 3: hard to know.
Speaker 4: That would act should be an interesting topic if we
Speaker 4: covered all that.
Speaker 1: That is, so the Egyptian soul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a whole ass Yeah, that's what I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's a whole fucking probably few shows if you really
Speaker 4: want to get into it, all right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Do like who like Cathonic imagery, Just Cathonic imagery from
Speaker 3: all over the place. I think that'd be.
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, that would be.
Speaker 3: Actually I found was that a lot of the Cathonic
Speaker 3: gods aren't supposed to be named, Like you're not supposed
Speaker 3: to say their name out loud because that'll get their attentions.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so interesting. I wonder if I'll have any
Speaker 3: shadow then, because I said, shit.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, oh shit, shot.
Speaker 3: All right, let's see what you got here.
Speaker 4: All right now, I was trying to copyhead this a
Speaker 4: little bit. So, oh what is this? This is called
Speaker 4: the rod and ring Mesopotamia's measure of kingship. The rod
Speaker 4: and ring almost always shown together in a god's grasp,
Speaker 4: a straight measuring rod beside a loop that many scholars
Speaker 4: read as a coiled cord or line. On Hamarabi's stella,
Speaker 4: Samas offers them to the king and uh yeah, and
Speaker 4: Hamarabi stelly Sammaras offers them to the king. In other works,
Speaker 4: the deity simply holds them as emblems of divine prerogative
Speaker 4: or kind of symbol. Modern synthesis synthesis describes the pair
Speaker 4: of as surveying instruments the rod in line used to
Speaker 4: lay out straight foundations and to ensure a fair measure,
Speaker 4: hence their tight connection to justice. Alternate readings kind of
Speaker 4: would consider it a scepter or a datum, or a
Speaker 4: shepherd's crook or rope.
Speaker 1: My opinion, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think this is one of those things that when
Speaker 4: the scholars telling you what the ship this this ship means,
Speaker 4: I think that gets lost because I think it's a
Speaker 4: little bit more than just or even they could be right,
Speaker 4: but it's probably more of me, deeper of a mathematic
Speaker 4: understanding than what they're getting, you know, what they think
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion.
Speaker 3: If I held this thing and they made a picture
Speaker 3: of me holding this thing and some king held the
Speaker 3: same thing, would that make me a king? And they
Speaker 3: don't really think like that, so they're like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: a symbol of royalty. Actually it could be something completely different,
Speaker 3: but you're just associating with royalty, because that's how you
Speaker 3: see holding it. But it could have been doing something
Speaker 3: else entirely.
Speaker 4: It was like, remember when we were kids, didn't they
Speaker 4: have like a stick and a hoop that people used
Speaker 4: to play with. Oh, that was even before ros Maybe
Speaker 4: that's what he was doing. That's a toy when it
Speaker 4: first shows up and where it travels you get it
Speaker 4: in youre from the Around the twenty first century BCE,
Speaker 4: fragments of the ern Namu Stelli already show a great
Speaker 4: God presenting the rotten ring to the Samerian king. One
Speaker 4: of the earliest clearest renderings of the chords as coiled line,
Speaker 4: an old Babylonian eighteenth century BCE, the Stellae of Hammurabi
Speaker 4: fixes the image in a global imagination some asses and throne,
Speaker 4: extending the pair below that there will be about four
Speaker 4: thousand plus lines of supposed legal text.
Speaker 1: That's another thing too.
Speaker 4: A lot of times I just wonder, like this stuff
Speaker 4: that they're saying is like legal texts, or like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's just talking about like you know, how many grains
Speaker 4: were sold today?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe the Levar's Catalog explicitly describes the God tendant circle
Speaker 4: at Batan offering a circle and staff.
Speaker 1: That's what that meant on the Euphrates.
Speaker 4: Around eighteenth century BCE, the Palace Fresco, known as an
Speaker 4: investiture of Zimri Limb shows Istar conferring the rod and
Speaker 4: ring and a state right. The painting was found in
Speaker 4: Court one O six Court of the Palms and is.
Speaker 1: Now in Louvre wherever Lovre is.
Speaker 4: There's another one that's from a Neo Assyrian from second
Speaker 4: century to the first first of BCE, and uh on Kaduru,
Speaker 4: which is boundary stones and cylinder seals.
Speaker 1: You'll see it the album.
Speaker 4: The emblems reoccur among divine symbols that guaranteed grants and
Speaker 4: oats visual mico contracts. Any viewer could read museum's note
Speaker 4: that explains how much museums. Museum notes explain how much
Speaker 4: stones combined images of the gods with legal texts what
Speaker 4: it means to them. Some people are saying the text
Speaker 4: and Sumerian him Nana's descent. The goddess outfits herself with
Speaker 4: lapis lazuli, measuring rod and measuring line before entering the underworld.
Speaker 4: Proof that rod in line were named tools of measure
Speaker 4: in sacred context get if they're understanding it correctly. I
Speaker 4: would even wonder if that has something to do with
Speaker 4: linear I mean time in itself. Those shapes could be
Speaker 4: linear circular.
Speaker 2: Iconography.
Speaker 4: Scholarly treatments of Haram Hamurabi and Marie's investiture argue that
Speaker 4: pair are surveying and measurement instruments, implying for laying out
Speaker 4: straight foundations and by extension, for establishing order.
Speaker 1: Equity and just rule. Who made it?
Speaker 4: And you know, according to this it could have just
Speaker 4: been pretty much just people that were into building that stuff,
Speaker 4: people into stone plaster. There isn't any specific name a
Speaker 4: person that it goes back to. I mean, that's really
Speaker 4: it just figured cover that one.
Speaker 3: It seems like that could be a crossbar for a scale, right,
Speaker 3: so if you hang something off on one end and
Speaker 3: you hang something on the other end, then it's sort
Speaker 3: of balancing between the.
Speaker 1: Two of them. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's like it's a measuring device certainly, but it's
Speaker 3: just not hooked up to the two baskets on either side.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just feel like sometimes he's something The way that
Speaker 4: they look at this stuff, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I question how close they are to it.
Speaker 4: Right, it's just you know, what the thing is is
Speaker 4: just like I don't know, like all the other shit
Speaker 4: that's probably like if I was to show this.
Speaker 1: Image, I mean, we all know what it is probably anyway,
Speaker 1: if we were.
Speaker 4: To show that image, it'd be so much a cult
Speaker 4: art on it already that it's just like that, that's
Speaker 4: really just that and that's it, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: it just doesn't seem to fit in with everything else
Speaker 4: in mind trying to be told and said.
Speaker 2: I mean, they could be right, but I just feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, there's something else besides what they're saying. Right.
Speaker 3: It just reminded me of the the Libra glyph, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: you just take that little part out then you know
Speaker 3: on leavers the scale so exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and measuring again, Yeah, I mean I'm getting it.
Speaker 1: I mean it could be but like what are we
Speaker 1: measuring for? All?
Speaker 4: We know? That could be like what you're going on
Speaker 4: with the two different types of time.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah. The cultural context for this stuff is so
Speaker 3: you know, obscured by history because this could be slang.
Speaker 3: You know, nobody thinks of that. This could be a
Speaker 3: slang for something else.
Speaker 2: So yo, you think that?
Speaker 1: Yo? I never thought of that.
Speaker 2: You think they had slang back then?
Speaker 3: They had to have, right, Oh, of course, yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder what they like.
Speaker 2: I wonder what the ship was like and what their
Speaker 2: ship talking was like back then.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they weren't going around saying six to seven.
Speaker 2: Or they were Yeah, and it actually meant something, right.
Speaker 3: Well, think about the sat or square right, So all
Speaker 3: these people were using it. I very very much doubt
Speaker 3: that any of them really understood it. It was that s
Speaker 3: you know, they just sort of made it. I yes,
Speaker 3: we thought it looked cool. Excuse me, we got any
Speaker 3: what we do? This one is by jay A?
Speaker 4: Did you did you? Did you read any of it before?
Speaker 4: Always makes me nervous. I don't check the smell before
Speaker 4: you start reading.
Speaker 3: I don't. I want to poison myself.
Speaker 2: No, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it now, I do. I do get it though.
Speaker 3: This one is from Jaya. It says, all right, jets,
Speaker 3: here's one for you. Many years ago, I joined in
Speaker 3: a cult organization. I won't say which one, excuse me.
Speaker 3: I immediately began receiving phone calls from members asking me to
Speaker 3: hang out, which was fine. By me except for one thing.
Speaker 3: Within a few days of hanging out with them, I
Speaker 3: get a phone call from one of the leaders of
Speaker 3: the organization who would repeat back to me what I'd
Speaker 3: shared in private with my new friends, and even worse,
Speaker 3: admonish the things I'd discussed. Needless to say, I did
Speaker 3: not appreciate. Oh he's got one too, it looks like
Speaker 3: those are separated.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't know if they were separated or actually together,
Speaker 3: so that sort of clears it up for me. Maybe
Speaker 3: there was a sort of a game that they would
Speaker 3: play in the hand that would show mastery, and then
Speaker 3: maybe that's kingling or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Needless to say, not only did I not appreciate my
Speaker 3: new friends betraying my trust, I also did not take
Speaker 3: kindly to someone trying to control every facet of the
Speaker 3: personal path I was trying to walk. This all quickly
Speaker 3: culminated to a final phone call with the head guy,
Speaker 3: who insulted me so deeply I literally told him to
Speaker 3: go fuck himself and hung up the phone. He called
Speaker 3: back several times and I refused to add Now the
Speaker 3: house I lived in at the time, at a huge
Speaker 3: backyard which I always kept two camping chairs in. On
Speaker 3: the night of the final argument, as I was getting
Speaker 3: back home and approaching the backyard, I saw what looked
Speaker 3: like someone sitting in one of those chairs. It was dark,
Speaker 3: so it was hard to be sure at first, but
Speaker 3: as I got closer I became obvious there was a
Speaker 3: pitch black figure sitting in one of my chairs. The
Speaker 3: shot shot. I stopped in my tracks as I wondered
Speaker 3: with someone why someone would be sitting there by himself
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night and not even say
Speaker 3: anything when he could clearly see me approaching. Another pitch
Speaker 3: black figure came from behind me and whizzed by so
Speaker 3: fast and silently that I immediately reached the conclusion that these
Speaker 3: things were not human. I looked at the chair again
Speaker 3: and it was now clearly empty. I turned to him,
Speaker 3: mocked the glass door which led into the house, and
Speaker 3: as I glanced up, a third black figure whizzed by
Speaker 3: the window on the other side of the room, again
Speaker 3: at an humanly fast speed, and again in complete silence.
Speaker 3: I have to be honest, I had no idea what
Speaker 3: to do. I unlocked the door, went straight to my room,
Speaker 3: lit some candles, and tried to calm myself down. The
Speaker 3: next day, a friend of mine came over and did
Speaker 3: a protection ritual in the backyard. And now, I like
Speaker 3: your honest opinions on something. Maybe I'm an idiot, but
Speaker 3: I'll keep holding on to this idea that the exploration
Speaker 3: of the secrets of the universe should involve integrity and
Speaker 3: perhaps even crazy as it sounds, be used for the
Speaker 3: betterment of humanity. And yet most of the people I
Speaker 3: meet in these groups could not only describe I could
Speaker 3: not only describe as selfish and conniving. If not pure evil,
Speaker 3: does empathy have no place in the esoteric world. If
Speaker 3: occult knowledge gives us extra insight, abilities, or strength, why
Speaker 3: not just use it for egocentric power trips. I have
Speaker 3: to be honest. I vociferously studied and explored for many years,
Speaker 3: but quickly reached the conclusion that I don't want to
Speaker 3: have anything to do with supernatural dark beings. I chose
Speaker 3: not to cast curses, and I refuse to send shadow
Speaker 3: people on anyone. And I'm still convinced that doing so
Speaker 3: makes you an asshole. So on the other hand, I
Speaker 3: can now say with certainty that shadow people exist. Thanks guys,
Speaker 3: earnestly looking forward to your responses, JA, So as you've
Speaker 3: sort of encountered that world as well, what do you
Speaker 3: think I.
Speaker 4: Mean, is it possible that they did that? I guess so,
Speaker 4: But like, all right, how I'm gonna I would assume
Speaker 4: if this guy's talking to the head motherfucker right away,
Speaker 4: obviously it's probably not anything serious like this isn't the
Speaker 4: O to you. There's no way I'm getting touches some
Speaker 4: disease like that's just not happening. So this must have
Speaker 4: been a smaller order. I'm just gonna order some like
Speaker 4: something that's like, you know, like a little bit above
Speaker 4: like a witch's covin, you know nothing, probably legit, legit.
Speaker 4: At that point, I wouldn't be too scared because I
Speaker 4: think I just have a bunch of fake motherfuckers that
Speaker 4: are actually probably just trying to create an order so
Speaker 4: they can you know, get pussy.
Speaker 1: And make some money. Uh.
Speaker 4: But you sometimes you have to wonder, you have to worry.
Speaker 4: I mean, I will say I when I left the OTO,
Speaker 4: I didn't really have any problems except for getting copyright
Speaker 4: strike slapped on me for shit. But I don't know
Speaker 4: that's a very uh that's a weird situation. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's kind of shitty, uh that that would happen. But
Speaker 4: I mean I don't know, uh believe it or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I probably choked that up to like something weird instead
Speaker 4: of actually maybe coming from the people themselves.
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion. I don't know. Like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people.
Speaker 4: I just don't think in the magic community that really
Speaker 4: have a fucking clue. So I don't know if i'd
Speaker 4: really have to be worried about psych get attacks from people.
Speaker 4: But again, you never know, right, you know, who knows.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a good thing. I will tell you
Speaker 4: one thing, and you know, and now I'll go on
Speaker 4: with kind of another question that he asked.
Speaker 2: You're probably better off that.
Speaker 4: You left these things from stuff that I had noticed,
Speaker 4: I could have probably easily let people's personalities control my
Speaker 4: life in the OTO. I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 4: it is, man, Like I thought it was just maybe
Speaker 4: my experience, and like, you know, when I left the OTO,
Speaker 4: I kind of just went more into the occult, well
Speaker 4: in the conspiracy community, amongst like the people talking about
Speaker 4: the occult. But you know, then kind of coming back now,
Speaker 4: back into the magical community of the witchcraft community and
Speaker 4: not really being exposed to the OTO in just other areas. Yo,
Speaker 4: there is something to fuck up with Fascism and fall
Speaker 4: left shit just being pushed like this person. And when
Speaker 4: I say that, fall after reason, and I'm saying that
Speaker 4: is because I feel like that side, well, each side has.
Speaker 1: Its own way that they fucking deal with their emotions.
Speaker 4: But the left side just seems to be very, very,
Speaker 4: very fucking focused on sympathy and not empathy. You have
Speaker 4: to feel for fucking everyone. There's some fucking kid in
Speaker 4: Zimbabwe that puts out a video and he's upset. You
Speaker 4: better fucking feel for him and stand up for him too.
Speaker 4: This shit is sick. It's fucking weird. They want you
Speaker 4: to be a slave to everybody else and be a
Speaker 4: fucking bitch.
Speaker 2: It is fucking bizarre. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: It's like, I understand people get into this shit because
Speaker 4: they're scared as fuck, but like, go, don't expect me
Speaker 4: to cook for you fucking constantly because you're just a
Speaker 4: scared motherfucker getting into this shit trying to find fucking
Speaker 4: power somehow.
Speaker 1: It is fucking weird.
Speaker 4: It's like what he's saying, like people that are gonna, like,
Speaker 4: you know, start doing like psychological attacks and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: People who do that, they're straight up fucking pussies, man,
Speaker 4: fucking for real.
Speaker 2: So, uh, you're probably better off there from.
Speaker 4: But but this seems to be something that is just
Speaker 4: it's it seems to be like some growing thing that like,
Speaker 4: I mean, there's people who don't like even talk about
Speaker 4: this shit at all on their own shows that are
Speaker 4: even telling me they think this ship's getting fucking ridiculous
Speaker 4: with the politics and the fucking feelings about everybody and everything,
Speaker 4: telling everybody you gotta fucking cook for this, you gotta
Speaker 4: cook for that, gotta act this way, you gotta act
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: I came here for fucking religious freedom for some people,
Speaker 4: and you're giving me more fucking rules in the church
Speaker 4: with God damn it. What the fuck is wrong with
Speaker 4: these people? It's fucking disturbing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's not just probably your experience, man, this.
Speaker 4: Is something that's just fucking constant in this community for
Speaker 4: some reason, just lately the last I don't know. It's
Speaker 4: so weird how people will allow a fucking comment or
Speaker 4: a tweet on Twitter to manipulate the magician fucking life.
Speaker 4: That is the most I mean, why the fuck are
Speaker 4: you even doing this?
Speaker 3: Just just stop that, Right, you can control your own responses,
Speaker 3: but you can't control what other people do in the
Speaker 3: first place. But I look at it kind of demographically, right,
Speaker 3: So we're in sort of the fringe field, right, And
Speaker 3: a lot of people in the fringe field are looking
Speaker 3: for ways of trying to get power for themselves. So
Speaker 3: joining up with a magical order or something that you're
Speaker 3: going to find a lot of ego. You're going to
Speaker 3: find a lot of people who know better than you
Speaker 3: do about just about every every part of your life.
Speaker 3: And they're they're kind of control freaks too, because they
Speaker 3: don't feel like they have the control they want in
Speaker 3: their own life. That's why they're starting these orders and stuff.
Speaker 3: So in general, what you're gonna find is, unless you've
Speaker 3: really really searched every every possible avenue, is you're going
Speaker 3: to find that general personality type running these orders. I
Speaker 3: can tell you from one of my friends experience, and
Speaker 3: so he actually wrote this massive book about one of these,
Speaker 3: uh you know, Canaanite sort of deities. I believe it
Speaker 3: was the one that you showed originally, I don't want
Speaker 3: to exactly say her name, but he wrote a whole
Speaker 3: book about it, and this other guy who who took
Speaker 3: a look at that book copied everything from it and
Speaker 3: started his own magical cult based off of this book
Speaker 3: that he read from somebody else. And this guy's like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck what are you doing with this? It's
Speaker 3: like you just created a cult about the thing that
Speaker 3: I just showed you. And he's like, yeah, you want
Speaker 3: to join it. It's like, are you kidding me? Like
Speaker 3: this is what we're doing. You're just gonna steal everything
Speaker 3: from me and then say, hey, you want to join
Speaker 3: my cult that I started with all the stuff that
Speaker 3: you showed me.
Speaker 2: That's another thing.
Speaker 4: I'll leave it. That's one thing else say, Yo, if
Speaker 4: you're in the magic of the Witchcraft community and I'm
Speaker 4: not sticking up for like organized like fraternities, but if
Speaker 4: somebody is just like popping up with.
Speaker 2: Their own thing, fucking run run, that.
Speaker 4: Is probably an ego beast looking to control people and
Speaker 4: to stick there, dick in anything that will look.
Speaker 3: Them very true.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's even there's a ship blew my mind.
Speaker 4: It was somebody that I'm going straight straight up somebody
Speaker 4: that was on the show. I'm not gonna say their
Speaker 4: fucking name was involved in some witches coven. That's gonna
Speaker 4: knock it down pretty pretty, uh, pretty whatever. It won't
Speaker 4: be too hard to figure out who this is.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: YO, A couple of weeks after that, there's a fucking
Speaker 4: video about this psychotic motherfucker and what they were doing
Speaker 4: inside of this coven. I was like, I cannot believe
Speaker 4: this person was on my show. This person is sick.
Speaker 2: Of the fucking head.
Speaker 4: Disgusting the fucking things that you're hearing people on this
Speaker 4: YouTube video talk about what they experienced. This ship is
Speaker 4: all about fucking control for some people, man, and to
Speaker 4: get their fucking sexual rocks off.
Speaker 1: So be leery be.
Speaker 3: Leery, right, and uh, you know, it's one of those
Speaker 3: things you gotta think about where you're at and who
Speaker 3: else is doing it. You think everything is for the
Speaker 3: good of humanity, but this is one of those things
Speaker 3: that you find with the left wing again, what they've
Speaker 3: done is they've unify personalized everything to such an extent
Speaker 3: that now they don't really have any personality of their
Speaker 3: own other than this. You know, sort of vague avenger
Speaker 3: of anyone who has bad feelings or any anybody who's
Speaker 3: been screwed over in their lives, and they feel like
Speaker 3: they know who that is, even though they're only given
Speaker 3: certain inputs into how to feel about certain groups. You know,
Speaker 3: you're only given a narrow sort of perception window, and
Speaker 3: everything has to stay within that narrow perception window so
Speaker 3: that you can have your universalist mentality that ends up
Speaker 3: leading to stuff like left wing insanity, you know. But
Speaker 3: I think it's it's far more important to go into
Speaker 3: these situations clear headed and know that a lot of
Speaker 3: the people there are control freaks and they're doing that
Speaker 3: for this purpose. But the one thing you can be
Speaker 3: sure of is the kookiar sounding the cult the kookier
Speaker 3: it actually is never anything.
Speaker 5: I hate to say it, right, So the way I
Speaker 5: put it is like this, So if there is something
Speaker 5: that amazing and fantastic and that you could actually see
Speaker 5: the aliens or the UFOs or whatever is coming back
Speaker 5: to save you, it just means that they're much better
Speaker 5: at creating illusions than other people.
Speaker 3: I would never buy into it, just because of the
Speaker 3: fact that this other world is going to destroy your
Speaker 3: own life in reality here because it has no choice.
Speaker 3: These are two different worlds coming into conflict, and whoever
Speaker 3: stuck in between that stuff is generally going to get smashed.
Speaker 3: So if you're doing this for self development, you gotta
Speaker 3: stay away from the weird stuff pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll put it that way.
Speaker 4: If you look at for self development, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: be very leary. You're looking to have a good time
Speaker 4: at freak off and meet.
Speaker 1: Some weirdos, go for it, you know, right right?
Speaker 4: Some biblical scripture about measuring the layout of the temple.
Speaker 4: Oh that is interesting.
Speaker 1: The right and the ring.
Speaker 4: This is from William Burkin. He's been on here before.
Speaker 4: The branch reminds me of some of the biblical script
Speaker 4: sure about measuring the layout of the temple, having also
Speaker 4: something to do with the ruler establishing weights and measure.
Speaker 4: I like that weights and measure, I would even say,
Speaker 4: especially with this one, this this depiction, I mean, the
Speaker 4: guy looks like he's got ropes and shit going on
Speaker 4: in the background.
Speaker 3: Too, right, well, he looks like one of these kings,
Speaker 3: because again he's way bigger than all of these small
Speaker 3: people sort of worshiping at this ishtar star right in
Speaker 3: front of him. This looks like one of those boundary
Speaker 3: stones that we did the episode on, because a lot
Speaker 3: of that stuff has to do with this is the
Speaker 3: king's domain, and we're supposed to know what this means
Speaker 3: already that he's holding up in front of him, which
Speaker 3: I have still no idea. Like this one looks kind
Speaker 3: of like a flute. There's a little notch there for
Speaker 3: the wind to come out of, but who knows if
Speaker 3: that's original or if that was chipped into it or
Speaker 3: something over the years, But it's kind of interesting. I
Speaker 3: think there is something to the idea of using this
Speaker 3: this circle as sort of like a measure of all circles,
Speaker 3: like the three point one four idea, using mathematics as well.
Speaker 3: But you know what they would also do is they
Speaker 3: would use sticks in the ground to sort of measure
Speaker 3: the stars and their their motion across the sky. So
Speaker 3: it could be used for that, I'm sure, But it's
Speaker 3: strange that they wouldn't know exactly what it was used
Speaker 3: for if it was such a prominent symbol, you know.
Speaker 1: Because it's occultism, you know what I like?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, right, exactly exactly, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't buy you know, I don't buy most of
Speaker 4: what when it comes to actual symbolism sometimes unless they're
Speaker 4: into the occult, I really don't buy a lot of
Speaker 4: you know, what's the academics say they think it is?
Speaker 2: This is always the same ship.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it was just deeds and rolls and okay.
Speaker 3: A ritual object ritual object? What does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Every morning with I mean, there could be so many things.
Speaker 3: A toothbrush, if you do it regularly, a toothbrush is
Speaker 3: a ritual object as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my coffee cup every morning when I have coffee,
Speaker 4: that's fucking ritualistic, right.
Speaker 3: It's just so lazy to just label something ritual object.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's basically we're not sure.
Speaker 1: We're not sure, so you know, we'll leave it off
Speaker 1: for you to figure out.
Speaker 3: I do like if you go out and you've got
Speaker 3: a good theory and they don't like that theory, good
Speaker 3: luck getting that theory. Oh yeah right, I'll stay a
Speaker 3: ritual object exactly.
Speaker 4: Sir Eddie Rose or Rose or Sir Eddie Ross. I
Speaker 4: do appreciate you saying that, because he did himself. Crowley
Speaker 4: did despise giving a will to another person. That That
Speaker 4: is one thing I don't understand with the OTO. They
Speaker 4: uh sorry, I'm laughing at the comments. For one, he
Speaker 4: has set himself And I used to even know, like
Speaker 4: it was almost like, you know, people quoting Bible quotes.
Speaker 4: I almost used to know, like even like the book
Speaker 4: and where it was from. He tells you twice in
Speaker 4: his own ship, don't put me on a fucking pedestal.
Speaker 4: I ain't the one he tells people to do that.
Speaker 4: He tells people that about about stop being sleeves to
Speaker 4: the fucking gods.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Even him, yo, straight up, if he as fruity as
Speaker 4: he was, if he came back right now and walked
Speaker 4: into the OTO, he said, all your motherfuck is.
Speaker 2: A faggot's get the fuck out of here, right.
Speaker 1: He didn't even.
Speaker 2: Say what the fuck happened to this shit? Who the
Speaker 2: fuck are you people?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: You're a a bunch of fucking pussies? And he was
Speaker 4: half a homo right Well, not knocking him, okay, but
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, you know, even he'd be like, yo, man,
Speaker 4: the fuck up.
Speaker 3: Already, right, he would be able to tell the difference
Speaker 3: between social engineering and you know, a valid social whatever.
Speaker 3: But like now people can't even tell the difference between
Speaker 3: social engineering and a social cause anymore. It's it's completely lost,
Speaker 3: you know. But that's sort of how it goes. I mean,
Speaker 3: we go through cycles with society where you know, at
Speaker 3: some point people feel like they have to make everybody
Speaker 3: else sort of ascribe to their belief system or else
Speaker 3: the whole thing is going to crumble. And we're kind
Speaker 3: of in that perpetual phase in our society where everybody
Speaker 3: has to believe what whatever there ruling majority or whatever
Speaker 3: wants us to believe, or else, you know, we're out.
Speaker 3: So it hasn't been that bad for a while, but
Speaker 3: now that we're going kind of bankrupt, and we kind
Speaker 3: of keep finding over and over again that there's somebody
Speaker 3: there with this sort of unity answer. Donald Trump's just
Speaker 3: the latest iteration of that. But you know, we'll see.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have just turned off,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't expect anything from society anymore, which
Speaker 3: I think is probably a healthier notion than thinking that
Speaker 3: society is supposed to work for you.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly think even when it comes to
Speaker 4: the occult, like Ike was even saying he says, even
Speaker 4: for freemasonry. He says, those people aren't getting anything out
Speaker 4: of that order, and they're starting to look into their
Speaker 4: own shit and it's not on their own things, and
Speaker 4: starting to investigate because they ain't learned anymore. I mean, unfortunately,
Speaker 4: well not fortunately, hopefully. I hope that in the next
Speaker 4: twenty or thirty is the OTO goes fucking down. There's
Speaker 4: no fucking point of it being here anymore.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna fucking learn anything in that place with
Speaker 4: the way they're deciding to run it. People I don't
Speaker 4: even think of going to those places as much anymore.
Speaker 4: They're listening to shows like this instead, and they're studying
Speaker 4: and reading because one, you don't have to get fucking charge,
Speaker 4: and we're not a icking making you do any creepy shit,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly.
Speaker 4: I don't think these places are gonna do well if
Speaker 4: they keep going the way that they're going.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be their own demise.
Speaker 3: We're not even charging a clubhouse membership, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not even making it get daked for an initiation, right, fuck.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, we know we work something out, but no,
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3: How it works. I mean, uh, maybe passing the joint
Speaker 3: that's the initiative.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really right in the vaipe with me in
Speaker 4: an event with buds now, yeah, I guess in that sense,
Speaker 4: Edkinsass is already in.
Speaker 3: He's officially I uh, you know. Well, it's been a
Speaker 3: great episode. We'll come back again next time. Definitely send
Speaker 3: us those emails. I love hearing about your stories.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: If if you have any kind of means of keeping
Speaker 3: shadow people away, I'd love to hear about it. I
Speaker 3: saw in the comments people were having experiences and they
Speaker 3: haven't emailed me, so emailed me at Headless Giant Podcast
Speaker 3: at gmail dot com. Don't just put it in the comments.
Speaker 3: But thank you guys for watching, and we'll see you
Speaker 3: again next time.
Speaker 1: Lida