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Our guest today is Marjorie Danenfelzer, president of the leading
national pro life organization, Susan B. Anthony ProLife America. She
joins us now to talk about what's next for the
pro life movement following a sea change election with life
on the ballot, with lives on the line. Marjorie, it's
so good to talk to you again, and welcome to
the Federalist Radio Hour.
Speaker 2: Thank you same here. I hear your voice in my
car every day, so I'm glad I get to talk
back this time.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. Being in the radio and the
podcast business, the voice gets out there from time to time.
Oh yeah, well, what an election, What a turnaround. The
last time we talked, you were hopeful but concerned. How
do you feel now days after this sea change election?
Speaker 2: Well elated and also cautiously optimistic. They're you know, I'm
so consistently wrong in my predictions that I'm just going
to best my confession.
Speaker 1: Right now, you and me, both by the and both.
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, I was wrong, twenty twenty I was wrong,
and here we are twenty twenty four. I was wrong again.
But but I love it when I'm wrong, and I'm
really happy I'm wrong, because what a disaster it would
have been. Could we could be talking today about does
the Senate and House do they have the votes to
pass the so called Women's Health Protection Act? If they
If they have the votes, we know that President Harris
will be signing that into law, and that will wipe
out It will be like a new row. It'll wipe
out every single pro life protection in the country. But
we're not having that conversation. We are instead, you and
I were just talking and we're just hearing the news
that fun is the headed leader of the Senate, likely
Mike Johnson will be the Speaker of the House. And
we have and we're talking about transition and transition into
the next Trump administration. But I don't think anybody could
have missed the fact that it was quite spectacular what
happened with the abortion issue in the election. That's definitely
we're talking about.
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. And let's go to the ballot
issues first, because ultimately a massive Trump victory like we
saw is a victory for the pro life movement. We
know that, we know this president's record, we know what
he has done with the Supreme Court, we know the
possibilities out there with the Supreme Court moving forward. But
there were some key ballot issues and some very big
victories for the unborn in this election in three particular states.
How do you feel about Florida, Nebraska, and South Dakota today?
Speaker 2: Well, again, elated and the hemorrhaging has stopped, I believe
in terms of states going down after passing strong pro
life protections. And it's not that I don't grieve the
seven states, significant number of states whose constitutions were changed
to allow for unlimited abortion up into the end in
the way that Roe did. But the reason that it's
a moment for joy beyond those three and hope for
the future is that at the expense of hurting the
feelings of some other governors and other states. These three
states governors on down and then the grassroots up fully
took on the ballot initiatives in their states. And I
would put up Ron DeSantis as the example of how
it is done. And now that there's that public example
to other governors, I'm going to a meeting of governors
next week and we'll be talking privately about these about this.
There's the template. He and his wife took this extremely
seriously from the beginning. They spoke to every officeholder in
Florida would that would listen, making sure that they made commitments,
They raised money, They used the party apparatus to get
the word out on this and the marijuana initiative, and
there he was very clear about the lies that the
other side we're telling. And even though he was outspent,
even though that initiative from the governor was outspent as
it always is it seems by the abortion industry, the
message got through. And even though it was just, you know,
just barely under sixty percent, so a significant people of
a number of people voted for it, he got the target.
And thank god, Florida will not be once again be
late term abortion capital of the country, which it was before.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to note that because I think of Ohio
and the voting threshold there, and you know, obviously it
was a loss to move from sixty to fifty percent.
It is encouraging what we saw and Ron DeSantis taking
on the pro life flight these other governors in Nebraska
and South Dakota, as you said, they took it to
the lying leftist movement in this country, the lying pro
abortionist movement in this country. That said, isn't it sad
that we're seeing these kinds of numbers saying you know what,
it's okay, Frankly, let's call it what it is to
murder a growing human being, basically at any time and anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that is where I think that
America was lulled to sleep on the question for so
many years that there was no perceived need to dig
deep on what we even thought. And I say we,
I mean royal, we of all America. You know, if
your voice needed to be heard making a reasonable case
or even just some modest limit, that it would have
been great. But there are no voices were really needed
in terms of in terms of movement that would result
in a law that would protect a life. So after
fifty years of suppressed voice, we are finding our voices.
I think it's going to take Unfortunately, I would like
it to be overnight, but it won't be. It's going
to take a little while people, for people to find
their voices and to get over the fear and backlash
that they felt. But I think this election again is
the end of the hemorrhaging on the issue. And I
think it has a lot to do with how much
can you lie? How much can you fund a lie
and expect a good result? And the only way a lie,
of course, continues, is that nobody points it out. I
think it was a testimony to the common sense of
the at least people in battleground states that here's what
they heard. They heard, you are willing to allow women
to bleed out on the table because you won't give
her ec topic or miscarriage care. That was like a
big That was the big thing. That's what DeSantis put
to rest. And then in the end, all the money,
all the five hundred and seventy million dollars that was
spent on federal races, the biggest amount ever spent and
the biggest amount in this election on any one issue,
still Republicans were a swite. Now, either the voters in
the battlegrounds are the most horrible human beings on earth,
and they don't care that we're going to let women
die and put them in jail, or they didn't believe it.
And I think the latter is true. I think we're
my hope and prayer and actions are oriented towards moving
towards some reasonableness, maybe not getting everything we want on
the federal level or in other places, but getting to
a place where our argument is heard, the lies are revealed,
and we are allowed to finally put consensus into the law.
And I think that's a great place to be.
Speaker 1: You raise a lot of good points. There are two
things I think happened on this issue in the election. One,
abortion was not the issue it was in the midterms
in twenty twenty two. And you know, you and I
talked about this earlier this year in the summer. The left,
the Democrats in this country, did everything that they could.
As you mentioned, they put a lot of money into
telling the you know, the false narrative about you know this,
how women would be adversely affected, how children would be
firstly affected, which I find just absolutely appalling given what
we're talking about here. But you know, all of that
sort of rhetoric, that entire narrative. They invested a lot
of time and a lot of money, and a lot
of Americans said, you know what, a it is not
the issue that you are telling us that it is.
We have bigger issues in front of us, the economy, security, immigration,
those sorts of things. But also we don't believe in
abortion on demand. We don't believe in abortion at any
time anywhere. And I think there were enough Americans. I
think there were a lot of Americans, and I know
that there are a lot of Americans who feel that way.
They may support abortion at some level, but they certainly
do not support abortion on demand. And I think that
played out in the selection. What do you think.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think that they just decided
this is it. Nothing would deter this being the number
one issue. Even when she was asked should there be
conscience protections for Catholic hospitals or doctors or medical students
being trained, No, you don't, she said, don't. You don't
compromise on a fundamental issue like that. So no limits,
no compromise. That's really not where America is because you know, fundamentally,
you know, you're great at bringing this back to it
is a child and a mother. Okay, you might not,
maybe it's so small you can't see it as a
child yet, but it is a child and the mother.
And most people have a sense that they're at least
at some stage that there is a point that it
is not about my body my choice and women's freedom
and taking and turning back the clock and all those things,
because there is I mean there is. We of course
they choose both, but at least, but some people at
least say there is a balance, like there's got to
be some limit. And this is why I think the
pro life, every pro life elected official that stays in
office is in a position of reasonableness in the face
of a lot of fear and terror, terrorizing and fear mongering.
Because the the the Republican Party. I mean, I'm only
like Republicans when they act right.
Speaker 1: Too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're good on this and they are there.
They can get better, but at least they're offering a
place that is a place of consensus wherever they go.
And I think after all the years of fighting to
get to a place of deciding. The people who are
who are the most reasonable in this argument tend to
be the Republicans and not the unlimited, no compromise Democrats
that they keep putting up that.
Speaker 1: It's about hearts and minds, isn't it. I mean, that's
what Susan B. Anthony has been about for since its beginning.
It's it's about changing hearts and minds. That's that's a
battle that didn't end after the overturning of Roe v. Wade,
that didn't end with Dobbs. In fact, it became more
fearce speaking of fears, Marjorie, I need to ask, get
this what lies ahead? We know that the lies lie
behind us in the campaign from the left, from the
abortion industry, you know, trying to you know, push all
of these false narratives. I can only imagine what the
future looks like with the radical left, the abortion on
demand left, as we move into the new Trump era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very demoralized. We've seen them at this place before,
meaning the abortion industry and their advocates. They have some
assessing to do. They will always have more money than
our side. I've always thought, given the founding of our country,
given what our Constitution is in terms of protecting the vulnerable,
the vulnerable persons, even in the fourteenth Amendment. I've always
thought that given how the politics has gone on this,
with total polarization of Democrats especially on this, that our
founding principles would would rise up again and that at
least there be some attrition on the Democratic side. I
don't know when that's going to happen, but I do
think it's inevitable. I think that there if there is
a presidential candidate that on the Democratic side that says,
you know, kind of like what RFK said before he
changes his mind like fifteen seconds later. I don't really
know what I think, but I do think that, you know,
after fifteen weeks is really not good, you know. I
think if there's a Democratic candidate or at the top
of the ballot, but probably more salient fashion in state
legislatures and then perhaps in governorships that they're like, yeah,
you know, a little bit more reasonableness on their side,
would I think, actually make a fix some of the
problems that some of their ills right now. Not that
I'm a Democratic strategist, but it seems pretty obvious to
me that you keep overplaying that with no compromise, and
you're going to probably end up with the same result.
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me, it really is, I'm fascinated by
this mindset. Remember in two thousand and twenty, Remember that
little thing we had to deal with called COVID nineteen,
that mass, that mass. Yes, it's hard to forget that
massive pandemic and all of the lockdowns led by the
scientists and the experts. Right, no matter how you feel
about that. What we were told, what they screamed to
us over and over is again is be quiet. Follow
the science. These people know better, they know better than you.
Follow the science. Follow the science, over and over again. Well,
why is it that they're so blind to the science
of life, life, growing and developing, the human in this
the spirit of that life, the science of that life.
Why do they disregard that?
Speaker 2: It's a beautifully asked question, and it's cognitive dissonance, I think,
and I suffered from that. No victim was I, But
victim was I. But I think you have to want
to know the truth. You have to want it, you
have to be eager for it, you have to be
looking for it in order to find it. And I
think that that the science deniers on the other side
of this question will not look or not acknowledge. They
don't know what to say when you start to talk
about the gestational milestones of a baby. At eleven weeks,
they have fingerprints that are unique to them only, and
the mirror blek. How those fingerprints are formed is an
amazing story. Each aspect of the formation of the of
the facial features, and the and the blood system and
the heart, and when they feel pain, each of those
is an amazing story that, of course happened to every
single person who's ever lived has gone through those stages.
And so when we have argued for really modest limits
on the federal level, I mean twenty weeks for heaven's sakes,
fifteen weeks, for having sakes, their advice to their own
candidates is, don't talk about gestational limits, stay away from
those things. Only talk about bodily autonomy. Never just don't
let the conversation be there, because they know that's their
weak spot. They know science is their weak spot. And
just think, Matt, how they even handle the abortion pill.
There is sense of not only it's not just bad science,
it's bad it's bad practice. In terms of the hippocratic oath,
the absolute disregard for the health of young women in
states where they receive pills, no packaging, no real direction,
often alone, never have to visit a doctor if they
have an ectopic pregnancy, or many other conditions that could
lead to their own death or hemorhaging. It doesn't matter
because the institution of abortion is more important than the
lives of these women that they purport to protect. That
to me ought to be like number one consensus building
between Democrats and Republicans. How about at least their health.
Do you even care? I think the answers no, And
that's the cognitive dissonances. I don't want to know. Don't
tell me about that, and don't spread any information about
these harmsed women who are having abortions in their bathroom,
turning their own homes into abortion clinics where they have
to live out the horror of that every day.
Speaker 1: Very sad all around. And you know, it's don't ask,
don't tell on this front is really what it boils
down to. Absolutely amazing Martin happened.
Speaker 2: Deck to me, it would be like, you know, we'd
be horrible human beings. Why are you keeping people from
having appened dect to me, so of course, but it's
nine appendact to me. It's not the removal and appendix.
It's the removal of a human that's right. Yeah, So
that's why this this is at the heart of who
we are as a nation. While we have to stand
for something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: Marjorie Danims Felzer, president of the leading national pro life organization,
Susan B. Anthony Pro Life America, joining us in this
edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. SBA was extremely active,
as no one's surprise in this election, largest ever pro
life voter contact program. These are some pretty astounding numbers.
You reached more than ten million voters and included four
million visits to homes in battleground states. I've had this
conversation in general about election campaign strategy, and we've seen
some very effective campaigns in battle ground states. In particular,
Pennsylvania comes immediately to mind, and I think of a
conservative organization by the name of the Sentinel Action Fund,
and they did so Yeah, they did so many things.
It seems to me, based on the numbers I'm seeing
reaching those low participation, low propensity voters, it seems like
you had success in this area as well.
Speaker 2: We did, and very complimentary with Sentinel and a couple
of other organizations. It should give folks hope that we
work together quite well in complimentary ways. It was a
definite effort to make sure that that happened this time,
that were not overlapping constantly, even though it might seem
at the door if you're in a battleground state that
it's many, many, many people overlapping. It was a great
example of how it works. In our instance, we're dealing
with people who are talking to people who are Democrats, Republicans,
independents that could be swayed by the reasonableness of our
position and the extremism the other side, which, as it
turned out, was really important conversation to have in terms
of the result in this election, that their extremism was UH,
their extremism was rejected, and their claims about our candidates
were also rejected. So it is to talk to somebody
at a door, and these are students from over one
hundred colleges across the country, UH comprised about a million
of those homes visited. When when you're at a at
a door talking about abortion, not tax seductions for office
equipment or capital gains, or even social security or medicare,
you know, it's sensitive and it's and it's also can
be very beautiful. So you're after the vote, and that
is the one goal and UH and we've proved unmatched
in our ability to UH to sway those votes. There's
also actual conversation. There are many many injured people out
there spiritually, physically, UH that haven't talked to anybody about
this and so very often it you know, you find
yourself making sure that that person is connected with somebody
who can help. So in terms of winning the election,
it was crucial that we have this, and I think
the numbers in the end have proved that the door
to door in addition to the crazy extreme made a
big difference. So it was a pretty exciting night, it
really was.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure what you found is what you do
moving forward. You know that some of this I've seen,
as you know, we're dealing with test cases. It does
this actually work? And I think the evidence is pretty strong,
to the point of overwhelming that it does indeed work.
Is this something you plan to do moving forward as
you go about the winning of hearts and minds.
Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, our first election where we were statewide
in battlegrounds was twenty fourteen and we've that built that
in battlegrounds every single year since then. So we've been
doing in ten years and it gets better and better.
You learn lessons, you make it better, you grow it.
Our results are very very strong, and what really matters
to is the win. Without question, also that senators and
presidential candidates know that you were part of their win.
It's important to know where your mandate comes from. And
that has made an enormous difference, and I would say
a pivotal difference in the pro life movement's ability to
have senators have a president that would get the court
where it needs to be. It has, it has since
twenty fourteen. The backbone of your average senator, a congressman,
or presidential candidate on life has increased dramatically. I mean,
think about twenty twelve and Romney and McCain and candidates
you know who some of us really liked that were
bad on this. They were weak, very weak. Yeah, it's
important to leverage that grassroots power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And that's what I think
moving forward. You mentioned the word mandate. I know that
Democrats in the left don't. They don't like that word.
This time around, they seem to use it a lot.
With a very narrow victory in twenty twenty, but this
was an electoral beat down by President Trump in particular.
Now you have control of the Senate by Republicans. That
is a done deal and it looks very very likely
that Republicans will control the House. Now it may be
by a narrow measure, but now you have an opportunity
for the next two years to do something. So with
all of that said, what do you think these people
who espouse pro life values, ran on pro life values
intend to do. What would you like to see them do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first thing would be repeat, repeat, Trump won.
There were it was a very strong pro life administration,
and the the funding and advocacy of abortion and abortion
organizations internationally and in our country stopped. Uh, and that
has and that so we have to go into the
Biden administration bad decision making room and turn it into
a pro life decision making room. So we basically repeat
those policies that Trump was so good at advocating. Also,
conscience protections once again should be at the top of
the list. And then also something that we've been working
on since before the well before the Dobb's decision, is
the integration in government of all of the programs that
are supportive of moms and babies, especially in the first
couple of years of life. Making sure that we know
the primary reasons, often that they material needs and physical
and spiritual needs. Perhaps that we we know where those
needs are, we know how to connect women to those services,
whether they be government oriented or in our case, what
we do at SBA Pro Life America is basically on
the community level, but that is really important something to
address that the country needs to hear that the federal
government cares about unexpected pregnancy and how to address those needs.
It should be an easy phone number to call, you know,
it should be not difficult to figure out what is
already available. So and then you know, I think in
the in the over time and shouldn't be a surprise
anyone that the pro life movement believes very strongly that
the fourteenth Amendment requires requires that the equal protection of
people under the law, and that it has been that
has been the was the common law and civil law
and reflected in state laws all over the country in
back at around eighteen sixty eight. What I mean is
there were state laws where there were not state laws.
There was a really there there was an understanding, a
common law understanding that abortion was not okay, and there
is a responsibility. And I'm not saying this is now,
but to build towards a point where there is a
federal minimum standard at that at least that puts us
on the scale with the rest of civilized nations in
the world. I mean in France, it's twelve weeks, so
here it's nothing. California babies, d C babies, they're not
protected and they probably won't be for And I think
it's a very important conversation for us to be having.
Obviously it's not something that Trump has promised to do,
but it's something that I think we need to be
building toward in the future.
Speaker 1: You know, we think about the election and organizations like
yours have to be you know, all things have to
be everywhere at the same time. You know, it was
a presidential and national election, but it was a national
election that was won state by state, so you know,
SBA pro life has to be in all of these states.
And I think about obviously we talked about it before
the battles, you have won the challenging areas, and that's
what I wanted to ask you about as you go
state by state. I'm thinking specifically of the state of Wisconsin,
battleground state. In fact, it was the state that put
Trump over the two hundred and seventy electoral vote count
on Tuesday night. But it's it's right now going through
a very difficult battle, particularly on the pro life side,
because you have a lot of money that went into
a race in April of twenty twenty three that bought
the Supreme Court of the state of Wisconsin for liberals
and for the abortion industry. They're arguing a state law
right now that has limits on abortion and maybe some
of the more stringent, if you will, limits on abortion
in the country. Yet you have, you know, arguments on
the law when you have a liberal justice like Rebecca
Dallitt who serves on that court saying that things like
that ban the language that they use, of course, was
passed in eighteen forty nine by white men who held
all the power, and that he was ignoring everything that
has happened since what can you expect from these kinds
of courts moving forward? And what do you do in
a state like this?
Speaker 2: You know, it's a discernment, is a painful discernment sometimes
about you, where you go, you, where do you put?
Where are you all in? And so what I think
is important especially for the Seven States, and there are
several states with pro life governors where that that that
these ballot initiatives kind of went unacknowledged and unargued against.
That if two can play at that game, you need
to I think we need to look at Ohio again. Ohio,
of all states, should not be living under the heavy
hand of a twenty of a sorry not a twenty
four of thirty four allowance for abortion up into the
very end, thirty nine weeks up into the very end.
It doesn't make any sense through Ohio. It's going to
take work on the part of governors, and it's going
to take work in a part of places like Montana
that it doesn't make any sense, and many others that
lost but where. But I think they lost in a
a in a whirlwind moment where people are trying to
get it right and the lies really just they just
cut right through and there wasn't a lot of backlash.
So I think when I say painful discernment, I mean
you can't cover every single thing. Certainly we can't and
we will never purport to. This has to be when
you're having a state level battle, it's got to be
it's got to be shouldered at the top of the ticket.
It's got to be completely grassroots organized, it's got to
be well run or organizationally. There's got to be enough money,
and it's got to be it's got to be a
the discernment. That's difficult is where to draw the line.
You can't overreach, and you don't want to underreach the
will of the people in an any given state. If
you do, you either don't save enough or you save nobody,
You save no children. So it's a crudential judgment of
Machiavelian unfortunately moment very often to figure out where to
put all your chits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, so what you've hinted at this, we've talked
about it. What is next for the movement moving forward?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a couple of things. One is the
again the restoration of Trump one policies. We hope that
that is not a heavy lift. I don't think it
will be, but it will require a lot of work
and focus because there's a lot of other things going on,
given how huge this issue was from on the other side,
I think we know that we have a mandate for
that to restore Trump one policies. Then, and also, you know,
as you well know, I know you were writing about
the Thune leadership when like fifteen seconds after it actually happened.
So I know that you know that that the midterms
are right around the corner, and we've already started that
whole process, and that is we we were preparing for,
of course, the next midterms, because you have to organize
on the ground way ahead of time. Also, there'll be
governorships that will really matter, and uh and Virginia and
in New Jersey they're on this this cycle, uh and that,
And again, I think it's really important that the heart
of the of the Republican Party, the pro life heart
of the Republican Party, be fully restored. It took some hits,
the life issue did at the center of the Republican
Party in the last year or so.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't want to pretend like everything's just
hunky dory. The plo form will over the next four years,
you know, there should be some conversations about in the
future for a future president, Well, what should that look
like future presidential candidates? You know the list already and
it'll probably increase. What are they thinking about that we
need to be talking to those future presidential candidates And
of course we already are. And again I think part
of this is building towards what used to be in
the platform and is still actually retained a name, and
that is a Fourteenth Amendment justification for federal limits and
at this point of federal minimum standards. So that's really
not for now, but it is that rebuilding has to happen,
and I think for the pro life movement that means
going back to first principles. Really, how do we get
here and make sure that what that we go back
to the fundamentals and make sure that we're arguing in
the right places strategically so that we get that restoration
and that we don't and that we uh that we
don't lose what we have. For instance, when I said
when I say that, I mean if we have a
Supreme Court battle, which we like it seems like we
may may may may have, we need to be ready
and sit in those We need to be ready to
mobilize to get the votes, get confirmation for whoever comes up.
So that means we got to dig in on the
fundamentals and make sure that we don't lose the advantage
we have in the courts right now and preserve the
Dobs victory and hopefully go further.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. You know, there's been some talk
about this how serious it is. Well, we'll find out.
They only have so much time, but any midnight appointments
that you see the push from the left to try
to secure an abortion proponent on the bench before Joe
Biden finally officially checks out.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm really not on the inside. You might be
unsurprised to hear over there, but in the White House
right now, by the way, But I think we have
to be ready for that. We have to be I mean,
it's one thing about having a ground game that moves quickly.
We call it being a pirate ship and not a barge.
Whatever is happening now, you got to be ready to
move there. So say Pennsylvania was you know, if we
needed to go back to Pennsylvania to make sure that
we uh that we cured the vote there and make
sure that all the votes got actually kind of we
were ready. We're ready to go, like and saying if
there is a if there's a nominee for the court,
we have to be ready to go in those places.
So I know, I'm talking about tactics, which isn't very fun,
but it does speak to the motivation of pro life people.
It does not matter what happens. Even if we had
lost this election, and you know, once again, the death
of the pro life movement would be proclaimed.
Speaker 1: It won't.
Speaker 2: It's just to this movement, even when discouraged, which it
is slightly now but not completely. I mean, everybody's happy,
of course that we've got the clean sweet, but we
know we've got a lot of work to do to
rebuild and it does not go away, and the troops
get younger. It is really one of the most exciting things.
I can't wait for the march to come up, for
everybody to see exactly what I mean. It'll be so
young and so on fire. It'll be a good moment.
Speaker 1: It is inspiring, it really is. And yeah, it won't
be long. The march will be here and you will
see those young folks and those passionate young voices, and
that's that is really encouraging for the pro life movement
in America. But you're right, there's no rest for the weary.
I was just talking to Brian Shimming earlier on the podcast.
Brian Shimming is the chairman of the Republican Party of Wisconsin.
Right after Wisconsin was called for Trump, they turned around
and said, we've got a Supreme core race, a state
Supreme court race coming up again in April. There is
no time to stop, there's no time to celebrate.
Speaker 2: So yeah, actually we're helping with that too. You even
gave me the que on Wisconsin, right, Yes, that's right too.
So you think how in the world. Thank goodness the
Holy Spirit like increases our ability to cover a lot
of places. But it is a lot, It is a lot,
but each state is one of the things. The unique
thing about the pro life movement is that over the years,
over the fifty years, all these organic movements, different organizations,
they grew in all of these states, and so you
can go anywhere and find great pro life people ready,
already organized and ready to do the work. Now, am
I saying it's always in perfect unison, No, I would
be lying, but it is definitely. It's very clear, like
in a place like Wisconsin where there's a fore alarm
fire that you get up and you the work. It's
just the way pro life troops are, no.
Speaker 1: Doubt about it. Marjorie, you've done the work for such
a long time. Your commitment to this movement, it goes
without saying. It's unparalleled. And very much appreciate you being
here and talking about what is and what's next.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm very grateful everybody who convinced me to be
pro life. I'm putting it back on them.
Speaker 1: Indeed, and the Lord speaks, speaks, speaks to us so
often when we least expect it to. So that's right again.
Thanks to my guest today, Marjorie Danenfelzer, President Susan B. Anthony,
Pro Life America. You've been listening to another edition of
The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent at
the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then,
stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the prey.
Speaker 2: You got. You're right, but you won't me