1 00:00:16,399 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,839 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior Elections correspondent at The 3 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:27,440 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,320 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,159 the Federalist dot com, follow us on Exit Federalist. Make 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,479 sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,399 course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:47,399 Our guest today is Marjorie Danenfelzer, president of the leading 9 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,799 national pro life organization, Susan B. Anthony ProLife America. She 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,719 joins us now to talk about what's next for the 11 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:58,920 pro life movement following a sea change election with life 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,200 on the ballot, with lives on the line. Marjorie, it's 13 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,599 so good to talk to you again, and welcome to 14 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,879 the Federalist Radio Hour. 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: Thank you same here. I hear your voice in my 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,560 car every day, so I'm glad I get to talk 17 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:12,280 back this time. 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. Being in the radio and the 19 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,560 podcast business, the voice gets out there from time to time. 20 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,760 Oh yeah, well, what an election, What a turnaround. The 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,799 last time we talked, you were hopeful but concerned. How 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,359 do you feel now days after this sea change election? 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: Well elated and also cautiously optimistic. They're you know, I'm 24 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,879 so consistently wrong in my predictions that I'm just going 25 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:58,480 to best my confession. 26 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,239 Speaker 1: Right now, you and me, both by the and both. 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, I was wrong, twenty twenty I was wrong, 28 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:09,199 and here we are twenty twenty four. I was wrong again. 29 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:11,719 But but I love it when I'm wrong, and I'm 30 00:02:11,719 --> 00:02:15,919 really happy I'm wrong, because what a disaster it would 31 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,120 have been. Could we could be talking today about does 32 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:25,039 the Senate and House do they have the votes to 33 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:29,400 pass the so called Women's Health Protection Act? If they 34 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:32,639 If they have the votes, we know that President Harris 35 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,919 will be signing that into law, and that will wipe 36 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,000 out It will be like a new row. It'll wipe 37 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,719 out every single pro life protection in the country. But 38 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:45,280 we're not having that conversation. We are instead, you and 39 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,159 I were just talking and we're just hearing the news 40 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:51,159 that fun is the headed leader of the Senate, likely 41 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:53,879 Mike Johnson will be the Speaker of the House. And 42 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,199 we have and we're talking about transition and transition into 43 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,560 the next Trump administration. But I don't think anybody could 44 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:06,960 have missed the fact that it was quite spectacular what 45 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:09,680 happened with the abortion issue in the election. That's definitely 46 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:10,840 we're talking about. 47 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: No doubt about it. And let's go to the ballot 48 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:20,960 issues first, because ultimately a massive Trump victory like we 49 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,240 saw is a victory for the pro life movement. We 50 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:29,000 know that, we know this president's record, we know what 51 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,039 he has done with the Supreme Court, we know the 52 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,120 possibilities out there with the Supreme Court moving forward. But 53 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:39,560 there were some key ballot issues and some very big 54 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:46,400 victories for the unborn in this election in three particular states. 55 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:51,400 How do you feel about Florida, Nebraska, and South Dakota today? 56 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: Well, again, elated and the hemorrhaging has stopped, I believe 57 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,280 in terms of states going down after passing strong pro 58 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:04,479 life protections. And it's not that I don't grieve the 59 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,719 seven states, significant number of states whose constitutions were changed 60 00:04:09,759 --> 00:04:13,680 to allow for unlimited abortion up into the end in 61 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:17,720 the way that Roe did. But the reason that it's 62 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:21,480 a moment for joy beyond those three and hope for 63 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,639 the future is that at the expense of hurting the 64 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,120 feelings of some other governors and other states. These three 65 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,079 states governors on down and then the grassroots up fully 66 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,079 took on the ballot initiatives in their states. And I 67 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,160 would put up Ron DeSantis as the example of how 68 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:45,839 it is done. And now that there's that public example 69 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,519 to other governors, I'm going to a meeting of governors 70 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,959 next week and we'll be talking privately about these about this. 71 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:58,160 There's the template. He and his wife took this extremely 72 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:02,360 seriously from the beginning. They spoke to every officeholder in 73 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:06,519 Florida would that would listen, making sure that they made commitments, 74 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,120 They raised money, They used the party apparatus to get 75 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,600 the word out on this and the marijuana initiative, and 76 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,199 there he was very clear about the lies that the 77 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,839 other side we're telling. And even though he was outspent, 78 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,639 even though that initiative from the governor was outspent as 79 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,279 it always is it seems by the abortion industry, the 80 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:32,120 message got through. And even though it was just, you know, 81 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:35,639 just barely under sixty percent, so a significant people of 82 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,600 a number of people voted for it, he got the target. 83 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:44,240 And thank god, Florida will not be once again be 84 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,560 late term abortion capital of the country, which it was before. 85 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,319 Speaker 1: It's interesting to note that because I think of Ohio 86 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,720 and the voting threshold there, and you know, obviously it 87 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,639 was a loss to move from sixty to fifty percent. 88 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,240 It is encouraging what we saw and Ron DeSantis taking 89 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,040 on the pro life flight these other governors in Nebraska 90 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:09,079 and South Dakota, as you said, they took it to 91 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,639 the lying leftist movement in this country, the lying pro 92 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,279 abortionist movement in this country. That said, isn't it sad 93 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,480 that we're seeing these kinds of numbers saying you know what, 94 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,800 it's okay, Frankly, let's call it what it is to 95 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:36,439 murder a growing human being, basically at any time and anywhere. 96 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that is where I think that 97 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,160 America was lulled to sleep on the question for so 98 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,879 many years that there was no perceived need to dig 99 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,120 deep on what we even thought. And I say we, 100 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,120 I mean royal, we of all America. You know, if 101 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,879 your voice needed to be heard making a reasonable case 102 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:02,560 or even just some modest limit, that it would have 103 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,240 been great. But there are no voices were really needed 104 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,319 in terms of in terms of movement that would result 105 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,879 in a law that would protect a life. So after 106 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,439 fifty years of suppressed voice, we are finding our voices. 107 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,920 I think it's going to take Unfortunately, I would like 108 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:23,199 it to be overnight, but it won't be. It's going 109 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,680 to take a little while people, for people to find 110 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,600 their voices and to get over the fear and backlash 111 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,360 that they felt. But I think this election again is 112 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:37,639 the end of the hemorrhaging on the issue. And I 113 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,480 think it has a lot to do with how much 114 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,199 can you lie? How much can you fund a lie 115 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,879 and expect a good result? And the only way a lie, 116 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:51,079 of course, continues, is that nobody points it out. I 117 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,600 think it was a testimony to the common sense of 118 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,560 the at least people in battleground states that here's what 119 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,279 they heard. They heard, you are willing to allow women 120 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,240 to bleed out on the table because you won't give 121 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:08,720 her ec topic or miscarriage care. That was like a 122 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:11,560 big That was the big thing. That's what DeSantis put 123 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,439 to rest. And then in the end, all the money, 124 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,120 all the five hundred and seventy million dollars that was 125 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,000 spent on federal races, the biggest amount ever spent and 126 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:25,000 the biggest amount in this election on any one issue, 127 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:30,360 still Republicans were a swite. Now, either the voters in 128 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:33,480 the battlegrounds are the most horrible human beings on earth, 129 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,679 and they don't care that we're going to let women 130 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:38,279 die and put them in jail, or they didn't believe it. 131 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:42,240 And I think the latter is true. I think we're 132 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:47,000 my hope and prayer and actions are oriented towards moving 133 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,399 towards some reasonableness, maybe not getting everything we want on 134 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,799 the federal level or in other places, but getting to 135 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:59,919 a place where our argument is heard, the lies are revealed, 136 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:04,000 and we are allowed to finally put consensus into the law. 137 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,399 And I think that's a great place to be. 138 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:08,519 Speaker 1: You raise a lot of good points. There are two 139 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,559 things I think happened on this issue in the election. One, 140 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:15,799 abortion was not the issue it was in the midterms 141 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:17,879 in twenty twenty two. And you know, you and I 142 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:22,440 talked about this earlier this year in the summer. The left, 143 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,519 the Democrats in this country, did everything that they could. 144 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,080 As you mentioned, they put a lot of money into 145 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,639 telling the you know, the false narrative about you know this, 146 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:38,679 how women would be adversely affected, how children would be 147 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,639 firstly affected, which I find just absolutely appalling given what 148 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,519 we're talking about here. But you know, all of that 149 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:50,120 sort of rhetoric, that entire narrative. They invested a lot 150 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:52,320 of time and a lot of money, and a lot 151 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,679 of Americans said, you know what, a it is not 152 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,120 the issue that you are telling us that it is. 153 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,480 We have bigger issues in front of us, the economy, security, immigration, 154 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,840 those sorts of things. But also we don't believe in 155 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,759 abortion on demand. We don't believe in abortion at any 156 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,480 time anywhere. And I think there were enough Americans. I 157 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,639 think there were a lot of Americans, and I know 158 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:24,240 that there are a lot of Americans who feel that way. 159 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,759 They may support abortion at some level, but they certainly 160 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:29,840 do not support abortion on demand. And I think that 161 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:31,679 played out in the selection. What do you think. 162 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think that they just decided 163 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:39,000 this is it. Nothing would deter this being the number 164 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,879 one issue. Even when she was asked should there be 165 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:47,320 conscience protections for Catholic hospitals or doctors or medical students 166 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,039 being trained, No, you don't, she said, don't. You don't 167 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,480 compromise on a fundamental issue like that. So no limits, 168 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,720 no compromise. That's really not where America is because you know, fundamentally, 169 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,120 you know, you're great at bringing this back to it 170 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,879 is a child and a mother. Okay, you might not, 171 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,600 maybe it's so small you can't see it as a 172 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,720 child yet, but it is a child and the mother. 173 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:17,480 And most people have a sense that they're at least 174 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,960 at some stage that there is a point that it 175 00:11:21,039 --> 00:11:24,960 is not about my body my choice and women's freedom 176 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,240 and taking and turning back the clock and all those things, 177 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,559 because there is I mean there is. We of course 178 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:33,960 they choose both, but at least, but some people at 179 00:11:34,039 --> 00:11:36,480 least say there is a balance, like there's got to 180 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:39,840 be some limit. And this is why I think the 181 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:45,440 pro life, every pro life elected official that stays in 182 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:50,120 office is in a position of reasonableness in the face 183 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,440 of a lot of fear and terror, terrorizing and fear mongering. 184 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:59,919 Because the the the Republican Party. I mean, I'm only 185 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,679 like Republicans when they act right. 186 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,399 Speaker 1: Too. 187 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're good on this and they are there. 188 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:14,919 They can get better, but at least they're offering a 189 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,120 place that is a place of consensus wherever they go. 190 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:23,960 And I think after all the years of fighting to 191 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,120 get to a place of deciding. The people who are 192 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,320 who are the most reasonable in this argument tend to 193 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,519 be the Republicans and not the unlimited, no compromise Democrats 194 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:36,960 that they keep putting up that. 195 00:12:36,919 --> 00:12:38,879 Speaker 1: It's about hearts and minds, isn't it. I mean, that's 196 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,320 what Susan B. Anthony has been about for since its beginning. 197 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,360 It's it's about changing hearts and minds. That's that's a 198 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:52,840 battle that didn't end after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, 199 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:56,279 that didn't end with Dobbs. In fact, it became more 200 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,320 fearce speaking of fears, Marjorie, I need to ask, get 201 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,120 this what lies ahead? We know that the lies lie 202 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,519 behind us in the campaign from the left, from the 203 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:13,279 abortion industry, you know, trying to you know, push all 204 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,720 of these false narratives. I can only imagine what the 205 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:21,440 future looks like with the radical left, the abortion on 206 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:25,440 demand left, as we move into the new Trump era. 207 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very demoralized. We've seen them at this place before, 208 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,080 meaning the abortion industry and their advocates. They have some 209 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:39,360 assessing to do. They will always have more money than 210 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:44,360 our side. I've always thought, given the founding of our country, 211 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:50,840 given what our Constitution is in terms of protecting the vulnerable, 212 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,600 the vulnerable persons, even in the fourteenth Amendment. I've always 213 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:59,360 thought that given how the politics has gone on this, 214 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,519 with total polarization of Democrats especially on this, that our 215 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,000 founding principles would would rise up again and that at 216 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,120 least there be some attrition on the Democratic side. I 217 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,840 don't know when that's going to happen, but I do 218 00:14:14,879 --> 00:14:18,080 think it's inevitable. I think that there if there is 219 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,720 a presidential candidate that on the Democratic side that says, 220 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:24,919 you know, kind of like what RFK said before he 221 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:29,080 changes his mind like fifteen seconds later. I don't really 222 00:14:29,159 --> 00:14:31,559 know what I think, but I do think that, you know, 223 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,799 after fifteen weeks is really not good, you know. I 224 00:14:36,799 --> 00:14:39,399 think if there's a Democratic candidate or at the top 225 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,240 of the ballot, but probably more salient fashion in state 226 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,200 legislatures and then perhaps in governorships that they're like, yeah, 227 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,159 you know, a little bit more reasonableness on their side, 228 00:14:51,679 --> 00:14:57,000 would I think, actually make a fix some of the 229 00:14:57,039 --> 00:14:59,679 problems that some of their ills right now. Not that 230 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:02,399 I'm a Democratic strategist, but it seems pretty obvious to 231 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,840 me that you keep overplaying that with no compromise, and 232 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:08,000 you're going to probably end up with the same result. 233 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: What's interesting to me, it really is, I'm fascinated by 234 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:19,360 this mindset. Remember in two thousand and twenty, Remember that 235 00:15:19,399 --> 00:15:22,279 little thing we had to deal with called COVID nineteen, 236 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,320 that mass, that mass. Yes, it's hard to forget that 237 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,159 massive pandemic and all of the lockdowns led by the 238 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,399 scientists and the experts. Right, no matter how you feel 239 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:35,799 about that. What we were told, what they screamed to 240 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:40,200 us over and over is again is be quiet. Follow 241 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,840 the science. These people know better, they know better than you. 242 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,000 Follow the science. Follow the science, over and over again. Well, 243 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,639 why is it that they're so blind to the science 244 00:15:53,879 --> 00:16:00,320 of life, life, growing and developing, the human in this 245 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:04,840 the spirit of that life, the science of that life. 246 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,519 Why do they disregard that? 247 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,799 Speaker 2: It's a beautifully asked question, and it's cognitive dissonance, I think, 248 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,840 and I suffered from that. No victim was I, But 249 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,399 victim was I. But I think you have to want 250 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,000 to know the truth. You have to want it, you 251 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,600 have to be eager for it, you have to be 252 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:26,279 looking for it in order to find it. And I 253 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:33,120 think that that the science deniers on the other side 254 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,000 of this question will not look or not acknowledge. They 255 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,879 don't know what to say when you start to talk 256 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:45,440 about the gestational milestones of a baby. At eleven weeks, 257 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,120 they have fingerprints that are unique to them only, and 258 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,879 the mirror blek. How those fingerprints are formed is an 259 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:56,559 amazing story. Each aspect of the formation of the of 260 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,559 the facial features, and the and the blood system and 261 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,799 the heart, and when they feel pain, each of those 262 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,880 is an amazing story that, of course happened to every 263 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,000 single person who's ever lived has gone through those stages. 264 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:15,480 And so when we have argued for really modest limits 265 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:17,960 on the federal level, I mean twenty weeks for heaven's sakes, 266 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,599 fifteen weeks, for having sakes, their advice to their own 267 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,480 candidates is, don't talk about gestational limits, stay away from 268 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:31,319 those things. Only talk about bodily autonomy. Never just don't 269 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,839 let the conversation be there, because they know that's their 270 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:37,400 weak spot. They know science is their weak spot. And 271 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:40,039 just think, Matt, how they even handle the abortion pill. 272 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,440 There is sense of not only it's not just bad science, 273 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:51,680 it's bad it's bad practice. In terms of the hippocratic oath, 274 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,160 the absolute disregard for the health of young women in 275 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:02,200 states where they receive pills, no packaging, no real direction, 276 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,759 often alone, never have to visit a doctor if they 277 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:10,720 have an ectopic pregnancy, or many other conditions that could 278 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:18,240 lead to their own death or hemorhaging. It doesn't matter 279 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:21,160 because the institution of abortion is more important than the 280 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,200 lives of these women that they purport to protect. That 281 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:28,680 to me ought to be like number one consensus building 282 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,839 between Democrats and Republicans. How about at least their health. 283 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,960 Do you even care? I think the answers no, And 284 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:38,400 that's the cognitive dissonances. I don't want to know. Don't 285 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,559 tell me about that, and don't spread any information about 286 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,400 these harmsed women who are having abortions in their bathroom, 287 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,759 turning their own homes into abortion clinics where they have 288 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:50,559 to live out the horror of that every day. 289 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: Very sad all around. And you know, it's don't ask, 290 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,160 don't tell on this front is really what it boils 291 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,960 down to. Absolutely amazing Martin happened. 292 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,839 Speaker 2: Deck to me, it would be like, you know, we'd 293 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,279 be horrible human beings. Why are you keeping people from 294 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:11,240 having appened dect to me, so of course, but it's 295 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:13,559 nine appendact to me. It's not the removal and appendix. 296 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:17,000 It's the removal of a human that's right. Yeah, So 297 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,799 that's why this this is at the heart of who 298 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:22,119 we are as a nation. While we have to stand 299 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,640 for something. 300 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:24,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. 301 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,759 Speaker 3: As soon as Trump got elected, liberal cities tightened up 302 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:33,000 the Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day, 303 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:36,039 Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy 304 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:38,599 and how it affects your wallet. After Trump, on Eric 305 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,920 Adams stopped giving cash to migrants, a six person household 306 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,119 was receiving seventeen hundred dollars a week, while American families 307 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,119 ravaged by hurricanes were receiving a seven hundred and fifty 308 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,519 dollars FEMA. Check whether it's happening in DC or down 309 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:52,240 on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 310 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:52,839 Speaker 1: Be informed. 311 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,039 Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 312 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:58,039 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 313 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,559 Speaker 1: Marjorie Danims Felzer, president of the leading national pro life organization, 314 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,200 Susan B. Anthony Pro Life America, joining us in this 315 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:16,440 edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. SBA was extremely active, 316 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,960 as no one's surprise in this election, largest ever pro 317 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,720 life voter contact program. These are some pretty astounding numbers. 318 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:32,480 You reached more than ten million voters and included four 319 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,240 million visits to homes in battleground states. I've had this 320 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:42,119 conversation in general about election campaign strategy, and we've seen 321 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,640 some very effective campaigns in battle ground states. In particular, 322 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,599 Pennsylvania comes immediately to mind, and I think of a 323 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:56,480 conservative organization by the name of the Sentinel Action Fund, 324 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,680 and they did so Yeah, they did so many things. 325 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,680 It seems to me, based on the numbers I'm seeing 326 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:09,039 reaching those low participation, low propensity voters, it seems like 327 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,720 you had success in this area as well. 328 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,839 Speaker 2: We did, and very complimentary with Sentinel and a couple 329 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,200 of other organizations. It should give folks hope that we 330 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,200 work together quite well in complimentary ways. It was a 331 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,000 definite effort to make sure that that happened this time, 332 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,160 that were not overlapping constantly, even though it might seem 333 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,079 at the door if you're in a battleground state that 334 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:38,720 it's many, many, many people overlapping. It was a great 335 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:41,480 example of how it works. In our instance, we're dealing 336 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,880 with people who are talking to people who are Democrats, Republicans, 337 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,839 independents that could be swayed by the reasonableness of our 338 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,880 position and the extremism the other side, which, as it 339 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,720 turned out, was really important conversation to have in terms 340 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,480 of the result in this election, that their extremism was UH, 341 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,119 their extremism was rejected, and their claims about our candidates 342 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,880 were also rejected. So it is to talk to somebody 343 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,799 at a door, and these are students from over one 344 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,519 hundred colleges across the country, UH comprised about a million 345 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,319 of those homes visited. When when you're at a at 346 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,599 a door talking about abortion, not tax seductions for office 347 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:29,279 equipment or capital gains, or even social security or medicare, 348 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:32,799 you know, it's sensitive and it's and it's also can 349 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,000 be very beautiful. So you're after the vote, and that 350 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,480 is the one goal and UH and we've proved unmatched 351 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,200 in our ability to UH to sway those votes. There's 352 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:50,559 also actual conversation. There are many many injured people out 353 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:55,359 there spiritually, physically, UH that haven't talked to anybody about 354 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,079 this and so very often it you know, you find 355 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:02,960 yourself making sure that that person is connected with somebody 356 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,200 who can help. So in terms of winning the election, 357 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:09,680 it was crucial that we have this, and I think 358 00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:13,240 the numbers in the end have proved that the door 359 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:18,079 to door in addition to the crazy extreme made a 360 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,279 big difference. So it was a pretty exciting night, it 361 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:21,839 really was. 362 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:26,279 Speaker 1: And I'm sure what you found is what you do 363 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,640 moving forward. You know that some of this I've seen, 364 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,880 as you know, we're dealing with test cases. It does 365 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,720 this actually work? And I think the evidence is pretty strong, 366 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,119 to the point of overwhelming that it does indeed work. 367 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,240 Is this something you plan to do moving forward as 368 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:45,839 you go about the winning of hearts and minds. 369 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:50,599 Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, our first election where we were statewide 370 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,480 in battlegrounds was twenty fourteen and we've that built that 371 00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:59,720 in battlegrounds every single year since then. So we've been 372 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,519 doing in ten years and it gets better and better. 373 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:05,519 You learn lessons, you make it better, you grow it. 374 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,799 Our results are very very strong, and what really matters 375 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:17,559 to is the win. Without question, also that senators and 376 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,000 presidential candidates know that you were part of their win. 377 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:25,960 It's important to know where your mandate comes from. And 378 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,519 that has made an enormous difference, and I would say 379 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:36,480 a pivotal difference in the pro life movement's ability to 380 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,880 have senators have a president that would get the court 381 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,720 where it needs to be. It has, it has since 382 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:48,480 twenty fourteen. The backbone of your average senator, a congressman, 383 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,599 or presidential candidate on life has increased dramatically. I mean, 384 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:59,759 think about twenty twelve and Romney and McCain and candidates 385 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,799 you know who some of us really liked that were 386 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,720 bad on this. They were weak, very weak. Yeah, it's 387 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,000 important to leverage that grassroots power. 388 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And that's what I think 389 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:19,799 moving forward. You mentioned the word mandate. I know that 390 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,000 Democrats in the left don't. They don't like that word. 391 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:26,039 This time around, they seem to use it a lot. 392 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,279 With a very narrow victory in twenty twenty, but this 393 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:34,519 was an electoral beat down by President Trump in particular. 394 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:37,920 Now you have control of the Senate by Republicans. That 395 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,640 is a done deal and it looks very very likely 396 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,160 that Republicans will control the House. Now it may be 397 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,359 by a narrow measure, but now you have an opportunity 398 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,000 for the next two years to do something. So with 399 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:57,039 all of that said, what do you think these people 400 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,440 who espouse pro life values, ran on pro life values 401 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,920 intend to do. What would you like to see them do? 402 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, the first thing would be repeat, repeat, Trump won. 403 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,279 There were it was a very strong pro life administration, 404 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,920 and the the funding and advocacy of abortion and abortion 405 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,799 organizations internationally and in our country stopped. Uh, and that 406 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:35,119 has and that so we have to go into the 407 00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:41,920 Biden administration bad decision making room and turn it into 408 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,079 a pro life decision making room. So we basically repeat 409 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,839 those policies that Trump was so good at advocating. Also, 410 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,880 conscience protections once again should be at the top of 411 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,279 the list. And then also something that we've been working 412 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:01,039 on since before the well before the Dobb's decision, is 413 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:05,519 the integration in government of all of the programs that 414 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,519 are supportive of moms and babies, especially in the first 415 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:13,039 couple of years of life. Making sure that we know 416 00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:19,200 the primary reasons, often that they material needs and physical 417 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,680 and spiritual needs. Perhaps that we we know where those 418 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,480 needs are, we know how to connect women to those services, 419 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,319 whether they be government oriented or in our case, what 420 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,160 we do at SBA Pro Life America is basically on 421 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,200 the community level, but that is really important something to 422 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,759 address that the country needs to hear that the federal 423 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:45,119 government cares about unexpected pregnancy and how to address those needs. 424 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,200 It should be an easy phone number to call, you know, 425 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,039 it should be not difficult to figure out what is 426 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:54,519 already available. So and then you know, I think in 427 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,839 the in the over time and shouldn't be a surprise 428 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,599 anyone that the pro life movement believes very strongly that 429 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:12,240 the fourteenth Amendment requires requires that the equal protection of 430 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:17,000 people under the law, and that it has been that 431 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,440 has been the was the common law and civil law 432 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,319 and reflected in state laws all over the country in 433 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,599 back at around eighteen sixty eight. What I mean is 434 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,599 there were state laws where there were not state laws. 435 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,480 There was a really there there was an understanding, a 436 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,319 common law understanding that abortion was not okay, and there 437 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,640 is a responsibility. And I'm not saying this is now, 438 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,519 but to build towards a point where there is a 439 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:51,680 federal minimum standard at that at least that puts us 440 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,000 on the scale with the rest of civilized nations in 441 00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,039 the world. I mean in France, it's twelve weeks, so 442 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,319 here it's nothing. California babies, d C babies, they're not 443 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,640 protected and they probably won't be for And I think 444 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920 it's a very important conversation for us to be having. 445 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,160 Obviously it's not something that Trump has promised to do, 446 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,440 but it's something that I think we need to be 447 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,200 building toward in the future. 448 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:24,759 Speaker 1: You know, we think about the election and organizations like 449 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:28,799 yours have to be you know, all things have to 450 00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,960 be everywhere at the same time. You know, it was 451 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,839 a presidential and national election, but it was a national 452 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,079 election that was won state by state, so you know, 453 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,400 SBA pro life has to be in all of these states. 454 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,519 And I think about obviously we talked about it before 455 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:52,039 the battles, you have won the challenging areas, and that's 456 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:53,559 what I wanted to ask you about as you go 457 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,920 state by state. I'm thinking specifically of the state of Wisconsin, 458 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,799 battleground state. In fact, it was the state that put 459 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:07,240 Trump over the two hundred and seventy electoral vote count 460 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:13,000 on Tuesday night. But it's it's right now going through 461 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,599 a very difficult battle, particularly on the pro life side, 462 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,359 because you have a lot of money that went into 463 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,680 a race in April of twenty twenty three that bought 464 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,680 the Supreme Court of the state of Wisconsin for liberals 465 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,440 and for the abortion industry. They're arguing a state law 466 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:42,640 right now that has limits on abortion and maybe some 467 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,079 of the more stringent, if you will, limits on abortion 468 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:52,759 in the country. Yet you have, you know, arguments on 469 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,960 the law when you have a liberal justice like Rebecca 470 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:01,000 Dallitt who serves on that court saying that things like 471 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,279 that ban the language that they use, of course, was 472 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:08,839 passed in eighteen forty nine by white men who held 473 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,279 all the power, and that he was ignoring everything that 474 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:16,839 has happened since what can you expect from these kinds 475 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,279 of courts moving forward? And what do you do in 476 00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:21,200 a state like this? 477 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,559 Speaker 2: You know, it's a discernment, is a painful discernment sometimes 478 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,119 about you, where you go, you, where do you put? 479 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,240 Where are you all in? And so what I think 480 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,440 is important especially for the Seven States, and there are 481 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,680 several states with pro life governors where that that that 482 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,000 these ballot initiatives kind of went unacknowledged and unargued against. 483 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:55,559 That if two can play at that game, you need 484 00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:58,759 to I think we need to look at Ohio again. Ohio, 485 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,200 of all states, should not be living under the heavy 486 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,160 hand of a twenty of a sorry not a twenty 487 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,799 four of thirty four allowance for abortion up into the 488 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,839 very end, thirty nine weeks up into the very end. 489 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,359 It doesn't make any sense through Ohio. It's going to 490 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,279 take work on the part of governors, and it's going 491 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,799 to take work in a part of places like Montana 492 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,480 that it doesn't make any sense, and many others that 493 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,640 lost but where. But I think they lost in a 494 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,680 a in a whirlwind moment where people are trying to 495 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,599 get it right and the lies really just they just 496 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,519 cut right through and there wasn't a lot of backlash. 497 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,480 So I think when I say painful discernment, I mean 498 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,240 you can't cover every single thing. Certainly we can't and 499 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,079 we will never purport to. This has to be when 500 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:50,039 you're having a state level battle, it's got to be 501 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,160 it's got to be shouldered at the top of the ticket. 502 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,359 It's got to be completely grassroots organized, it's got to 503 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:01,599 be well run or organizationally. There's got to be enough money, 504 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,000 and it's got to be it's got to be a 505 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,759 the discernment. That's difficult is where to draw the line. 506 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,839 You can't overreach, and you don't want to underreach the 507 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,240 will of the people in an any given state. If 508 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,759 you do, you either don't save enough or you save nobody, 509 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,000 You save no children. So it's a crudential judgment of 510 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,839 Machiavelian unfortunately moment very often to figure out where to 511 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,039 put all your chits. 512 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, so what you've hinted at this, we've talked 513 00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,480 about it. What is next for the movement moving forward? 514 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:40,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a couple of things. One is the 515 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,759 again the restoration of Trump one policies. We hope that 516 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:46,680 that is not a heavy lift. I don't think it 517 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,640 will be, but it will require a lot of work 518 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,599 and focus because there's a lot of other things going on, 519 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,039 given how huge this issue was from on the other side, 520 00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:57,000 I think we know that we have a mandate for 521 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,519 that to restore Trump one policies. Then, and also, you know, 522 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,359 as you well know, I know you were writing about 523 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,880 the Thune leadership when like fifteen seconds after it actually happened. 524 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,039 So I know that you know that that the midterms 525 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,320 are right around the corner, and we've already started that 526 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,760 whole process, and that is we we were preparing for, 527 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,360 of course, the next midterms, because you have to organize 528 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,039 on the ground way ahead of time. Also, there'll be 529 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,679 governorships that will really matter, and uh and Virginia and 530 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,800 in New Jersey they're on this this cycle, uh and that, 531 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,840 And again, I think it's really important that the heart 532 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,480 of the of the Republican Party, the pro life heart 533 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:48,320 of the Republican Party, be fully restored. It took some hits, 534 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,920 the life issue did at the center of the Republican 535 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,400 Party in the last year or so. 536 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,199 Speaker 1: Yes, oh my goodness. 537 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't want to pretend like everything's just 538 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:02,719 hunky dory. The plo form will over the next four years, 539 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,239 you know, there should be some conversations about in the 540 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,280 future for a future president, Well, what should that look 541 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,519 like future presidential candidates? You know the list already and 542 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,559 it'll probably increase. What are they thinking about that we 543 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,480 need to be talking to those future presidential candidates And 544 00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:22,880 of course we already are. And again I think part 545 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,159 of this is building towards what used to be in 546 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:29,199 the platform and is still actually retained a name, and 547 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:35,159 that is a Fourteenth Amendment justification for federal limits and 548 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,000 at this point of federal minimum standards. So that's really 549 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,119 not for now, but it is that rebuilding has to happen, 550 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,480 and I think for the pro life movement that means 551 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,400 going back to first principles. Really, how do we get 552 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,800 here and make sure that what that we go back 553 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,880 to the fundamentals and make sure that we're arguing in 554 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,920 the right places strategically so that we get that restoration 555 00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:04,599 and that we don't and that we uh that we 556 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,079 don't lose what we have. For instance, when I said 557 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:08,679 when I say that, I mean if we have a 558 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,239 Supreme Court battle, which we like it seems like we 559 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,519 may may may may have, we need to be ready 560 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,639 and sit in those We need to be ready to 561 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:22,920 mobilize to get the votes, get confirmation for whoever comes up. 562 00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,639 So that means we got to dig in on the 563 00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:30,079 fundamentals and make sure that we don't lose the advantage 564 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,320 we have in the courts right now and preserve the 565 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,559 Dobs victory and hopefully go further. 566 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: That's a good point. You know, there's been some talk 567 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,880 about this how serious it is. Well, we'll find out. 568 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,639 They only have so much time, but any midnight appointments 569 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:48,719 that you see the push from the left to try 570 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:56,119 to secure an abortion proponent on the bench before Joe 571 00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,199 Biden finally officially checks out. 572 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: Well, I'm really not on the inside. You might be 573 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:06,199 unsurprised to hear over there, but in the White House 574 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,559 right now, by the way, But I think we have 575 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:12,559 to be ready for that. We have to be I mean, 576 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:16,280 it's one thing about having a ground game that moves quickly. 577 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,639 We call it being a pirate ship and not a barge. 578 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,039 Whatever is happening now, you got to be ready to 579 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,840 move there. So say Pennsylvania was you know, if we 580 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,199 needed to go back to Pennsylvania to make sure that 581 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,760 we uh that we cured the vote there and make 582 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,199 sure that all the votes got actually kind of we 583 00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,159 were ready. We're ready to go, like and saying if 584 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,519 there is a if there's a nominee for the court, 585 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,920 we have to be ready to go in those places. 586 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,960 So I know, I'm talking about tactics, which isn't very fun, 587 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,800 but it does speak to the motivation of pro life people. 588 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,400 It does not matter what happens. Even if we had 589 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,960 lost this election, and you know, once again, the death 590 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,880 of the pro life movement would be proclaimed. 591 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: It won't. 592 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 2: It's just to this movement, even when discouraged, which it 593 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,400 is slightly now but not completely. I mean, everybody's happy, 594 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,320 of course that we've got the clean sweet, but we 595 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,840 know we've got a lot of work to do to 596 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,320 rebuild and it does not go away, and the troops 597 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,039 get younger. It is really one of the most exciting things. 598 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:21,880 I can't wait for the march to come up, for 599 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,159 everybody to see exactly what I mean. It'll be so 600 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,599 young and so on fire. It'll be a good moment. 601 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: It is inspiring, it really is. And yeah, it won't 602 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,480 be long. The march will be here and you will 603 00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:38,280 see those young folks and those passionate young voices, and 604 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,320 that's that is really encouraging for the pro life movement 605 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,000 in America. But you're right, there's no rest for the weary. 606 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:48,920 I was just talking to Brian Shimming earlier on the podcast. 607 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,039 Brian Shimming is the chairman of the Republican Party of Wisconsin. 608 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,400 Right after Wisconsin was called for Trump, they turned around 609 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,840 and said, we've got a Supreme core race, a state 610 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,159 Supreme court race coming up again in April. There is 611 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,360 no time to stop, there's no time to celebrate. 612 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, actually we're helping with that too. You even 613 00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,440 gave me the que on Wisconsin, right, Yes, that's right too. 614 00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:17,000 So you think how in the world. Thank goodness the 615 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:21,599 Holy Spirit like increases our ability to cover a lot 616 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,360 of places. But it is a lot, It is a lot, 617 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,400 but each state is one of the things. The unique 618 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,679 thing about the pro life movement is that over the years, 619 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,960 over the fifty years, all these organic movements, different organizations, 620 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,960 they grew in all of these states, and so you 621 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:45,000 can go anywhere and find great pro life people ready, 622 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,239 already organized and ready to do the work. Now, am 623 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,920 I saying it's always in perfect unison, No, I would 624 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,719 be lying, but it is definitely. It's very clear, like 625 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,000 in a place like Wisconsin where there's a fore alarm 626 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,960 fire that you get up and you the work. It's 627 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,280 just the way pro life troops are, no. 628 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: Doubt about it. Marjorie, you've done the work for such 629 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,159 a long time. Your commitment to this movement, it goes 630 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:15,039 without saying. It's unparalleled. And very much appreciate you being 631 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,920 here and talking about what is and what's next. 632 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,119 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very grateful everybody who convinced me to be 633 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,480 pro life. I'm putting it back on them. 634 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: Indeed, and the Lord speaks, speaks, speaks to us so 635 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,320 often when we least expect it to. So that's right again. 636 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,639 Thanks to my guest today, Marjorie Danenfelzer, President Susan B. Anthony, 637 00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,920 Pro Life America. You've been listening to another edition of 638 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,719 The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent at 639 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,280 the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 640 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,920 stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the prey. 641 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 2: You got. You're right, but you won't me