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Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of Sledging Room Podcasts sort of.
Speaker 3: Nikol Nas, our guest who joined us for the Asia
Speaker 3: Cup special last week, is unfortunately not here, but he'll
Speaker 3: be back with us. So our usual suspect, King Sari
Speaker 3: is back as we you know, sit here to discuss
Speaker 3: usual substitute, usual substitute, however you want to call it.
Speaker 3: Impact player, impact player. Alan is our impact player. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, we are here to discuss India wes is
Speaker 3: Pakistan and the start to the Isshia Cup. We touched
Speaker 3: upon that, you know, burning question, should India play Pakistan
Speaker 3: or not? But with two days to go and all
Speaker 3: the decks cleared, the Indian government saying that we'll play
Speaker 3: them in multinational tournaments and the fixtures ready, the tickets
Speaker 3: are not selling. It seems the tickets are not sold out.
Speaker 3: It seems so that's a concern. But sort of quick thoughts,
Speaker 3: how has the Asia Cup been for you? Three four
Speaker 3: matches have been done? Is it a series of mismatches
Speaker 3: instead of matches? Do you? How do you look at it?
Speaker 4: I mean if you look at the first three games,
Speaker 4: especially the India was the UA game. They also match
Speaker 4: a T twenty game which should last for at least
Speaker 4: thirty five to four two overs, finishing around eighteen overs.
Speaker 4: India hold them out of fifty seven and then it
Speaker 4: took around four point three overs if I'm not wrong, yeah,
Speaker 4: and objection must we get India to get past the total.
Speaker 4: So this, this entire first segment of the Asia Cup
Speaker 4: has been all about mismatches. If you look at Afghanistan
Speaker 4: versus Hong Kong game, you know Afghanistan could have won
Speaker 4: with a bigger margin had they been more clinical in
Speaker 4: the approach. Similar with Bangladesh, had they not been cautious
Speaker 4: in their approach while chasing the target? What was the
Speaker 4: target one for? So this is first three games have
Speaker 4: looked completely mismatched. But I believe this is just the
Speaker 4: start of the tournament and the big matches areligned up
Speaker 4: for the weekend. You know, the biggest I will in
Speaker 4: Asia Sri Lanka was the Bangladeshi game is scheduled for Saturday,
Speaker 4: and then you have got another mismatch coming in this
Speaker 4: India versus a certain team from.
Speaker 1: No I will name them.
Speaker 4: I will name name a certain team called Pakistan whose
Speaker 4: head coach is a delusional guy from New Zealand who
Speaker 4: has said that Muhammad Namas is the best spinner in
Speaker 4: the world. You know, as far as I know, Pakistan
Speaker 4: cricket team. Even if you talk about the best player
Speaker 4: of Pakistan, it's not us right now when they're playing eleven.
Speaker 4: But if Michael Lilson things like that, maybe he has
Speaker 4: some plans off his leaves.
Speaker 3: No. I. You know, before we delve into this my
Speaker 3: Casen's delusion and Moman Navas being the number one spinner,
Speaker 3: I heard a lot of people saying, you know, okay,
Speaker 3: this is why Asia Cup shouldn't be played. This is
Speaker 3: why teams like UA and Hong Kong should not get
Speaker 3: a chance. This is why India A should play instead
Speaker 3: of some of the other teams. You know, I find
Speaker 3: that argument very stupid. When your football team goes and
Speaker 3: plays major tournaments, we don't compete with the best as
Speaker 3: we should be, right and how else will you promote
Speaker 3: the game, as like if India plays more and more
Speaker 3: Afaciation Cup, more and more FIFA Worldcup qualifiers, more and
Speaker 3: more KAFA Cups, then only will get the exposure, right,
Speaker 3: So I don't know why this, you know, high handedness
Speaker 3: of some of the ex cricketors as well. I'm just
Speaker 3: for instance, Arashwan saying that India India A should be
Speaker 3: part of this as I'm not questioning at least didn't
Speaker 3: say that. Okay, these teams did not deserve to be here,
Speaker 3: but there are a few who are saying that, which
Speaker 3: I find very very very uncomfortable with because where else
Speaker 3: will these teams get an opportunity to play teams like
Speaker 3: Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India.
Speaker 1: Teams like Pakistan need more more such.
Speaker 3: Matches, right, Teams like Pakistan need more such matches? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, jokes aside, But Hong Kong, you a.
Speaker 3: They have come here with a lot of dreams, right,
Speaker 3: some for some for some meeting, We're Arkli, of course
Speaker 3: we're Coali is not here for some meeting, Schumann Gil
Speaker 3: meeting the best Indian batterle Suryak Maria just itself is
Speaker 3: a big thing. They'll get inspired. But it's not even
Speaker 3: about that. It's about so if you think that the
Speaker 3: power concentration should be within say six, eight teams, ten teams,
Speaker 3: then what you're promoting is a shrinking game. You won't
Speaker 3: forward any anywhere because I heard some voices saying, oh,
Speaker 3: this itself is a series of mismatches. Yeah, the T
Speaker 3: twenty World Cup next year is going to be twenty
Speaker 3: twenty twenty twenty teams. How lopsided that would be. But
Speaker 3: then why do you play a World Cup? I will
Speaker 3: tell you an easy fix for this is to play
Speaker 3: out a group draw fairly not put India, Pakistan and
Speaker 3: two poor teams in one Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka
Speaker 3: in the other group. At least, let's argue that that
Speaker 3: two of them are title contenders. Sri Lanka the last
Speaker 3: TREE twenty World c T twenty Isha Cup was won
Speaker 3: by them, Afghanistan are a dark horse permanently and Bangladesh.
Speaker 3: If a lot of things in the world go right,
Speaker 3: probably then they click. But at least there is some competition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more than.
Speaker 4: That, people forget why Isha Cup started at the first place,
Speaker 4: I mean Asia Cup started. I don't think Sri Lanka
Speaker 4: was a big team, so it actually started to promote
Speaker 4: the bonhammi between the Asian nations, the good will. Yeah,
Speaker 4: right now you are in a space where India and
Speaker 4: Pakistan are not on good terms. We will talk about
Speaker 4: vital conditions or even crickets Indian these are also not
Speaker 4: on very good terms. But then you have to see
Speaker 4: the largest big change and said you want to make
Speaker 4: cricket a global sport. You're pitching cricket to be an
Speaker 4: Olympic sport.
Speaker 3: How do you make it that correct?
Speaker 1: If you're not letting these small nations compete?
Speaker 3: And also if I remember Akastrovra once said that I
Speaker 3: think in Asia Cup, bcside does not take its share
Speaker 3: of money like it distributes between the Asian nations as
Speaker 3: in like see. I understand the sentiments of people from
Speaker 3: both the countries who don't want the match to happen.
Speaker 3: People from India especially, they have been very vocal. As
Speaker 3: we near the India Pakistan game, which is on Sunday
Speaker 3: in Dubai, there are a lot of voices that are
Speaker 3: asking that are still urging India to boycott the match.
Speaker 3: But the financial like you pointed out BCCI not pulling out,
Speaker 3: there might be an influence of this, right that you
Speaker 3: make money for the Asian Cricket Council and India is
Speaker 3: not probably not going to benefit a lot from this
Speaker 3: except the broadcasting revenues and all that. But the young,
Speaker 3: the small teams, like you say, they will take their
Speaker 3: share of money, they will take their match fee, they'll
Speaker 3: take their tournament fee. So there are things that I
Speaker 3: have a different theory for it. So I think we've
Speaker 3: also spoken about it. That the decision by the Indian
Speaker 3: government to boycott Pakistan in bilaterals and play them in multilaterals,
Speaker 3: that's one of the mature sport diplomacies that we have
Speaker 3: seen in the past, like in the last five six years.
Speaker 3: And we know why that, and we know why exactly
Speaker 3: right that if you are to host Olympics, you cannot
Speaker 3: randomly go boycotting countries in nations. And if that happens,
Speaker 3: they won't give you the tournament in the first place.
Speaker 3: It's not like you throw money and they give it
Speaker 3: to you. You have to bid for it. A culture
Speaker 3: has to be set up, a culture of boycotting teams
Speaker 3: in multilateral tournaments is not mature, whatever the reason may be.
Speaker 3: So if you want to think big, you have to
Speaker 3: play them, swallow that pill, play them and then go forward. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know what asn't like like like we always
Speaker 3: discussed cricket is the soft target, which we have seen
Speaker 3: for so many you know, but this time, like like
Speaker 3: Nickel discussed, like sort of discussed last episode, it is
Speaker 3: a little bit vice versa rivers of what is happening
Speaker 3: with cricket is not the soft target this time, but businesses,
Speaker 3: like we said, artists have taken the brunt, whereas the
Speaker 3: BC has been allowed to go and play Pakistan. So
Speaker 3: that's a little bit of you know, a little bit
Speaker 3: of uh, you know, this disappointment from a large section
Speaker 3: of the masses in India. But going beyond that, India Pakistan,
Speaker 3: Pakistan will play Oman later on Friday, So India Pakistan
Speaker 3: sort of will it live up to the expectations.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the press confidence before
Speaker 4: the tournament, when the captains of the boat, both teams,
Speaker 4: they were talking, it was very very clear that there
Speaker 4: was fiction there because when I you know that the
Speaker 4: moment when Salmon Aliaga passed the mic why are Russia?
Speaker 4: Khan to he was not looking towards he was looking
Speaker 4: towards the press. It was like, okay, you want to boycotters,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to see you. Will face you in the field.
Speaker 4: And I I don't expect a very very good cricket match,
Speaker 4: but I expect a fiery cricket match where there are
Speaker 4: a lot of things going here and there, and it
Speaker 4: has happened in the past also. But my only concern
Speaker 4: right now is will this Will this Pakistani team be
Speaker 4: able to challenge this Indian team gam Also, yeah, they
Speaker 4: don't have power, they don't have Rizonan. Okay, they were
Speaker 4: not world beaters, but still they were the best cricketers
Speaker 4: from Pakistan the last two decats. Now the team which
Speaker 4: they has full of youngsters and how can they handle
Speaker 4: the Indian bowlers? How can they bowlers handle the Indian
Speaker 4: battles because everything seems to be clicking for India even
Speaker 4: when they had not played for so long. When they
Speaker 4: stepped on the round after the first over her everything
Speaker 4: seemed to click for them and you know, Ashiba was
Speaker 4: still not playing, picked up three wickets. More than that,
Speaker 4: the spin bowling trio of Akshar Kuldi and Varun. Yeah,
Speaker 4: how is Pakistan going to face them?
Speaker 3: You know a lot of this. You know, Asia Cup's
Speaker 3: success this time will depend on Sunday's match and of course,
Speaker 3: like you said, Saturday's match between Banglades and Stilaka. But
Speaker 3: if this turns out to be a damn squid, if
Speaker 3: India roll over Pakistan, it's gonna you know, grace more
Speaker 3: voices saying why the hell are you playing the Asia Cup?
Speaker 3: So but but you know you brought up that point.
Speaker 3: Mike Keesen's point. Mike Esen saying that Mohammed Navas is
Speaker 3: the world's best spinner at the moment and sayum Mayu
Speaker 3: is one of the best all rounders at the moment,
Speaker 3: top ten all rounders is what he said? Is that
Speaker 3: part of a mind game that he is playing or
Speaker 3: but I checked moment Nawa's stats since his return, he
Speaker 3: has played eleven to twenty eyes and picked up twenty
Speaker 3: wickets and he's the third best in that period. Since
Speaker 3: his return in T twenty cricket and against Afghanistan in
Speaker 3: the Tri Series final, he was bowling well as in
Speaker 3: it might be twelve hours of hell from there. So
Speaker 3: not from Kulip Perun and excerpt. But Sufi and Mukimbra
Speaker 3: and moman naas add to it. Salman Aliaga, the captain
Speaker 3: can roll his arm over, can roll his arm over,
Speaker 3: single pacers, Shina Fridi and five spinners. How are India
Speaker 3: gonna handle that?
Speaker 4: Tell me that you're asking about this Pakistan bowling attack. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know Pakistan bowling and the hype around this Pakistan
Speaker 4: bowling It was always around the Pakistani paces, even till
Speaker 4: I think the twenty three World Cup.
Speaker 1: Before that THEO happened.
Speaker 3: I think we heard people saying that this is the
Speaker 3: best bowling attack. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they had they had the likes of Nasi,
Speaker 4: Shaina frid the Harris Ralf.
Speaker 3: Because it did sensational things in the twenty one and
Speaker 3: twenty two World Cup. They made people dance to their tunes.
Speaker 3: But they did not obviously go over the line. But
Speaker 3: do you guys not think that the Pakistan attack is good?
Speaker 3: I was not joking, So I was not joking, like
Speaker 3: you know, if Pakistan was joking, he was probably not. No.
Speaker 3: If Pakistani I was joking, I was probably not.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Let's go for it, you know, I will talk about results.
Speaker 4: What happened when Pakistan played West Indies they won?
Speaker 3: Pakistan lost in twenty years, yes, yes, okay, but the
Speaker 3: Try series winners.
Speaker 4: And how many which teams played in a Tai series
Speaker 4: in Afghanistan also defeated the once. You also played a
Speaker 4: competitive game against Pakistan where when you talk about UI
Speaker 4: playing inst India, they were rolled over, completely rolled over.
Speaker 4: There was nothing to fight for. So comparing this Pakistan
Speaker 4: team this Indian team, I believe this is an insult
Speaker 4: to the Indian team. The caliber of Indian bowlers, the
Speaker 4: caliber of Indian batters, all these Pakistan cricketers, they are
Speaker 4: decent enough to play in cricket, but they're not good
Speaker 4: enough to this time. So one SAT match on Sunday,
Speaker 4: absolutely Pakistan is going to get rolled over. The only
Speaker 4: thing which they can bring to this game is their
Speaker 4: intensity and the feariness which they will bring. Otherwise, I
Speaker 4: don't think they have the skill level paramount things to
Speaker 4: challenge this intente.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have it.
Speaker 3: See if at all there was a format where Pakistan
Speaker 3: could at least try and challenge India is T twenty cricketers.
Speaker 3: I think because in Odias the skill gap is so
Speaker 3: so they could not chase one hundred and nineteen one
Speaker 3: twenty in Tirony World Cup. Right. Yeah, Like with Pakistan,
Speaker 3: I think that since we don't play them often, they're
Speaker 3: bowling always has a chance to surprise us. If that
Speaker 3: surprise thing happens, then you know we sort of get
Speaker 3: into that one fifty kind of a total. But their
Speaker 3: batting cannot hold water at all. Yeah. See, you don't
Speaker 3: have Barberundris one is. That is a huge advantage for
Speaker 3: Pakistan according to me. So you can suddenly become barb
Speaker 3: Is fans, but remove them out of the team. It's
Speaker 3: it gives them at least some scopes. When you were
Speaker 3: saying that Barber and are not their players, what are
Speaker 3: you trying to say that?
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: So if you look at his have you seen Pakistan's
Speaker 4: playing eleven they're batting, so they're five five openers, they're
Speaker 4: playing level and each opener, each player who is an opener,
Speaker 4: who is batting in some other batting potion just goes
Speaker 4: and swings is back.
Speaker 3: Your opener is also batting at five.
Speaker 4: Bro one one option. Fine, if you look at and
Speaker 4: and in all those openers. I think only Hassanama is
Speaker 4: the one who has actually clicked at the batting potion
Speaker 4: which has been forced to back. You look at Simon,
Speaker 4: look at Siman, you look at Mhammadhari's.
Speaker 1: All these batters, they.
Speaker 4: Are absolute duds, especially when you pulled them ast quality bowling.
Speaker 4: They can't play good pace bawling. They can't play good
Speaker 4: spin bowling, they can't clear the boundaries. I don't know
Speaker 4: how you're dating these players. I just don't know. Well,
Speaker 4: at least at least with Barber is one, they could
Speaker 4: actually take the game deep. Even after Pakistan lost the game,
Speaker 4: but they could take the game deep.
Speaker 3: Had Rizwan stayed that day four. But it does not
Speaker 3: play that ship shot against It doesn't stay. That's the
Speaker 3: whole thing. But anyway, the main problem, you know is
Speaker 3: what that this is the second tournament, multination tournament that
Speaker 3: Pakistan are going with three months or less than three
Speaker 3: months of coaching stuff and you you can't happen. It
Speaker 3: can't go like that. So this this Pakistan team. Best
Speaker 3: case scenario is that they challenge for the twenty seven
Speaker 3: World Cup. Nothing before that. That's also the best case Ininnia.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they can challenge this team like
Speaker 3: like Sorow says, there is potential, but they are so inconsistent.
Speaker 3: Not like they play England, Australia and India throughout the
Speaker 3: year so that they are better prepared for that kind
Speaker 3: of pressure. If Australia batters, England batters can't play Boomera, well,
Speaker 3: you could argue that Pakistan, this team is not going
Speaker 3: to play playing well.
Speaker 4: And one more point I have just mentioned, sorry for
Speaker 4: interrupting you. So since this realm sham happened where La
Speaker 4: took over as the captain, so they went to New
Speaker 4: Zealand and they played a good series where they won
Speaker 4: the series. If I'm not wrong or they lost, but
Speaker 4: they're the best bowler was someone called aku Jat. He
Speaker 4: was a left tip pacer, a young pacer coming from
Speaker 4: PSL and he was troubling news and battlesy and there.
Speaker 4: Now what happens out of the series was the chief
Speaker 4: selector who is acu Jivit drops that guy and now
Speaker 4: that guy is nowhere to be seen in the squad
Speaker 4: right has alien signs. I don't know how many matches
Speaker 4: have they help Pakistan win. They're still being part of
Speaker 4: that Pakistan playing eleven.
Speaker 3: If you thinking about that Yoker Sherman coming into this
Speaker 3: tournament and then he surprised.
Speaker 1: You know, that is what my biggest shock with Pakistan
Speaker 1: team is.
Speaker 4: So if you believe that Barbarazwan Shaha, these people are
Speaker 4: not good enough to play for Pakistan, how is someone
Speaker 4: like Harry Stauf or someone like Shines still good enough
Speaker 4: to play for Pakistan?
Speaker 3: But the day was Macraum on the opening day of
Speaker 3: the Isha Cup. He said that Shahine is in good
Speaker 3: form right now. So people questioning his you know, dippin pays,
Speaker 3: dip in form, dippin confidence, are all, you know, going
Speaker 3: to be proved wrong.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk to after the marg gets over we can.
Speaker 3: But I think Wasum's observation stands last year, like in
Speaker 3: that Australia tour or when they went to New Zealand,
Speaker 3: Shine was borning like one seven, It's very bad. It's
Speaker 3: awful to see. But in try series, for the amount
Speaker 3: that I've watched him, he still has that. In Swinger
Speaker 3: his pace is one forty plus. What he does not
Speaker 3: have is that line that you should trouble every single
Speaker 3: battery in the world. So I don't know maybe that
Speaker 3: again that element of surprise thing comes about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and with Shahin, like he mentioned that element of
Speaker 4: surprise shine was very good and lethal because you could
Speaker 4: give you two or three good wickets in the first
Speaker 4: couple of overs. Yeah, with his face pervers, with his
Speaker 4: space and in string deliveries. Now what has happened is
Speaker 4: he's actually too much reliant on that and he's bowling
Speaker 4: fool where he's getting smarter away with every other batter
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that happened in the T twenty world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that happened everywhere he has played. And I think
Speaker 4: apart from that Rosha get in that Champions Trophy, I
Speaker 4: don't think it's got one big batsman out like that
Speaker 4: in the last one or two years. If I'm not wrong,
Speaker 4: I may be wrong. But if I'm not wrong, Shayan
Speaker 4: did oh that is western disnaw. Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 3: Brilliant spell that You know what is this probably you
Speaker 3: know talking about it is it seems to be hand
Speaker 3: to heart. I'd say that it's gonna be a mismatch.
Speaker 3: India are gonna cost through in a cricket game. Anything
Speaker 3: can happen in a T twenty game. Especially anything can happen.
Speaker 3: But on paper, like we say, the game is not
Speaker 3: played on paper, But on paper, India look overwhelming favorites.
Speaker 3: If you want to give if if you want us
Speaker 3: to give a percentage, maybe eighty three seventeen in favor
Speaker 3: of India. Do you think anyone can challenge India in
Speaker 3: this tournament on their best day, on their best day,
Speaker 3: I think Pakistan can. So don't think it the best
Speaker 3: our worst day, think it our great day, their best day.
Speaker 3: India India. True, yeah, that makes it. That's the truth.
Speaker 3: But to not say not, I'm not saying that, Okay,
Speaker 3: Hong Kong shouldn't play India, you should play, but India
Speaker 3: can have the best, probably have the best chance to
Speaker 3: challenge India at this moment. But you know, looking at
Speaker 3: the journey, looking at the journey, it has come to
Speaker 3: this point. It is the hype around India Pakistan contest dead.
Speaker 3: It's just the media and the fans probably get like
Speaker 3: he said, they might not play good cricket, It might
Speaker 3: not be a good cricket match, but that emotion that
Speaker 3: we associate to India Pakistan is still there. But the
Speaker 3: quality of cricket, I don't know When was the last
Speaker 3: time you were seriously challenged? Yes, like he said, on
Speaker 3: India's off days they have managed to win. But on
Speaker 3: India's best days, no, no chance. Like in India Australia
Speaker 3: Test Series. When was the last time you saw in
Speaker 3: India Pakistan contest living up to the.
Speaker 1: Hype the World Cup?
Speaker 3: So let's let me put it like this. Would you
Speaker 3: Watchnis versus or Shut in World Championships? Would the hype
Speaker 3: be there? Absolutely? Two Olympic champions, right, contenders at the
Speaker 3: peak of their form, only to probably finish behind Julian
Speaker 3: Webber this time. But that's a different story. But like
Speaker 3: I'm also very interested in watching and the story is same. Right,
Speaker 3: they don't meet each other at all apart from these
Speaker 3: top competitions.
Speaker 4: And when when you talk about these two is an
Speaker 4: Olympic champions, is a World champion and and Usha actually
Speaker 4: took over from Niras as the Olympic champion, so there
Speaker 4: is that point of champions there. Indian Pakistan shared podium. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll talk about Indian Pakistan. Pakistan played good cricket Teak
Speaker 4: World Cup.
Speaker 1: I'm not wrong. There is a final since then, you
Speaker 1: can have not read any good any.
Speaker 3: Good to That's probably the point that that the that
Speaker 3: the hype is for I still to a team that's
Speaker 3: not Remember twenty fifteen World Cup. I was in college.
Speaker 3: I think I went out with friends. I watched that
Speaker 3: match half of it, and then we knew that India
Speaker 3: when to win that match. Done twenty nineteen, hammered twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three was a mismatch see occasional. Twenty twenty two
Speaker 3: was an aberration. You still can't call that, Okay, India
Speaker 3: and Pakistan have been playing the peak rivalry matches and
Speaker 3: then that happened.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Like I'm.
Speaker 3: Just saying, probably after the two thousand and three World Cup,
Speaker 3: twenty seven maybe I have not seen India and Pakistan competing.
Speaker 3: But seventeen twenty one block is there now that one
Speaker 3: off game again? But we you only meet in one
Speaker 3: of games, that's the whole point. Yeah, maybe twenty seventeen Okay, So.
Speaker 4: Twenty seventeen was the last time when Pakistan actually changed
Speaker 4: India in a fifty our game. Yeah, And twenty twenty
Speaker 4: one two was the last time when Pakistan challenge Indian
Speaker 4: You don't game sustained brilliance, They don't challenge us anymore.
Speaker 4: They don't just challenge us, they're bowling their batting. You
Speaker 4: could see their flat in that game against Pakistan the
Speaker 4: champions Trophee.
Speaker 1: It was not about India winning or not. It was
Speaker 1: what will score a hundred or not?
Speaker 3: That's that's the more exciting.
Speaker 4: That is how that is how bad it has come
Speaker 4: to be. Yeah, I think I think this hype of
Speaker 4: India Pakistan. I think, you know, an India Afghanistan game
Speaker 4: is a more completely game for me than India Pakistan game.
Speaker 3: I think That's that's why we are heading, I think,
Speaker 3: and that's.
Speaker 4: Why, and that is why they has taken over as
Speaker 4: issus fist and the best right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I entertainment, So that is why. That is why
Speaker 3: when Salmanaga and say in the press conference that I'm
Speaker 3: not going to tell anyone to back down, that's where
Speaker 3: I think there is a chance that this match gets saved.
Speaker 3: And that's probably the reason they're doing for it. So
Speaker 3: what are they going to do? Shout? You don't go
Speaker 3: to each other's face, man, a fast ball of pumping
Speaker 3: down on your face asking you questions. In that Dubai
Speaker 3: heat is the four o us without getting injured that
Speaker 3: it still is a big thing and you're asking them
Speaker 3: to do all this. Okay, I can't score runs, Shine,
Speaker 3: you go and dance in front of Shine's face like
Speaker 3: that's drama. Yeah, that's that's what I want exactly. But
Speaker 3: you know what I'm I'm actually really sad seeing that
Speaker 3: India can field at least three teams for the at
Speaker 3: least two proper teams, two strong teams in this tournament.
Speaker 3: Whereas Pakistan were once T twenty were they were up
Speaker 3: and coming when India won the twenty seventy twenty World Cup.
Speaker 3: Pakistan w on the two thousand and nine World Cup.
Speaker 3: But what has it, what has happened over the last
Speaker 3: decade is really unfortunate. And I think West Indies and
Speaker 3: Pakistan are the only two teams who haven't established Tree
Speaker 3: twenty League but still lagged behind in everything else. In
Speaker 3: another thing, talents or maybe in utilizing talents. Maybe they
Speaker 3: have talent like you pointed out, but they don't tap
Speaker 3: into that talent. Say say twenty it started four years ago,
Speaker 3: and look at the South Africa. Inant Africa are much
Speaker 3: less I see money than Pakistan. Yeah of course, so
Speaker 3: yeah in England, Okay, England are a powerhouse. They still
Speaker 3: get talents from the hundred from the blast. But I'm
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why this probably hasn't clicked. Maybe not
Speaker 3: because of maybe because of too many foreigners not playing there.
Speaker 3: It could be because of a series of poor choices
Speaker 3: that they have made. See a lot of external factors,
Speaker 3: but there's no doubting that Pakistan sometimes did their own grave. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the boundary may if you will play PSL, what what
Speaker 3: would happen?
Speaker 1: And it's not just about the Patastans boundary. We have talked.
Speaker 4: We can actually have a three hour long podcasts about
Speaker 4: why Pakistan cricket will not improve or is not improving.
Speaker 4: The the boardboard and how they manage the change of
Speaker 4: court chase every three months. You change the coach, you
Speaker 4: change the captain when you want to. There's hunger for power.
Speaker 4: Go to every cricketer which Pakistan produces. When it's when
Speaker 4: the cricket is actually rising, we talk, Oh, this is
Speaker 4: this guy is going to be a generational past fast war.
Speaker 4: What happens is he's pulled into some power battle. There
Speaker 4: are camps in that team and then you see what
Speaker 4: happens that gritter gets injured when he comes back he's
Speaker 4: not well.
Speaker 3: Three years that that's what happened to shine right the
Speaker 3: bollume to the ground. Yeah, that's what's happening. And the
Speaker 3: battle is also the same, has water over them. Everybody
Speaker 3: is compared to how yeah, I mean because they don't
Speaker 3: have their own stars right, like you.
Speaker 1: Know, it started with I don't know how long will
Speaker 1: this continue?
Speaker 4: Is about to retire from all formats and they still
Speaker 4: not have found a certain guy who can actually challenge
Speaker 4: gart Coli. So this is how it has been because
Speaker 4: Pakistan should understand it's not about challenging art because India
Speaker 4: never wanted to produce a fastball who could challenge was seen.
Speaker 4: India wanted a fastball who could win them games. So
Speaker 4: it's always it should always be about winning games more
Speaker 4: than challenging superstars of other teams.
Speaker 3: That's a lovely part that India never wanted to produce
Speaker 3: a star like even Zaion. I don't remember him being
Speaker 3: compared to Dane and he was ire. Yeah, he was
Speaker 3: our man. The originality should be there. Don't go behind
Speaker 3: someone who's actually superstars. I want to be the next No,
Speaker 3: you'll be the first barber asm. You help Pakistan win games.
Speaker 1: You can't do that.
Speaker 3: Probably after Sunday you might say, deep, you should become
Speaker 3: the next moment moment nowas.
Speaker 1: I like you such a but they don't make me
Speaker 1: laugh anymore.
Speaker 3: Mom Dahas is not that bad?
Speaker 1: Guys, No, I'm not saying it's not that bad.
Speaker 3: It's not about I'll tell you that is momanas of
Speaker 3: I think last yeah, yeah, but before we go quickly,
Speaker 3: you know it's running short of time prediction time. Sorry,
Speaker 3: India scored if they're bad first? And what will Pakistan
Speaker 3: do with the chase?
Speaker 4: If India bad first? I think they're scoring something around
Speaker 4: twenty to thirty, Pakistan scoring one.
Speaker 3: Even on this Dubai pitch which was a little sluggish.
Speaker 4: You'll see Indian batting. You see how we batted in
Speaker 4: the UA game. Okay, India batting first, you expected two
Speaker 4: hundred plus total? Yeah, and Pakistan twenty thirty.
Speaker 3: If Pakistan bad first, what will happen?
Speaker 1: Tty?
Speaker 3: Wars you if you are going to give predictions for India,
Speaker 3: which I also want to give, But then I want
Speaker 3: to be something different and go for it. See yous
Speaker 3: don't take any exception when it comes to sharing their comments.
Speaker 3: So yeah, true, whatever you feel. I think if India
Speaker 3: bad first, Pakistan jumps US and we do one forty
Speaker 3: five and then Pakistan can't back to save their lives.
Speaker 3: They have a partnership in the first six of US.
Speaker 3: Let's say forty four to one and they crumble to
Speaker 3: ninety nine all out, one ten all out, something like that.
Speaker 3: What would you actually see? All jokes aside, I think
Speaker 3: twelve hours of hell. Pakistan can't survive that Umra, kul
Speaker 3: Deep and Warak if you add access to it. And
Speaker 3: I don't know whether ashdep will play, but India won't
Speaker 3: make that change, is what I think. Oh, I also
Speaker 3: want to know why is are they not playing ninety
Speaker 3: nine wickets highest in the country. There was a little
Speaker 3: bit of fitness training that he took the previous days
Speaker 3: what they were saying, but I think the combination. Nothing
Speaker 3: of that sort was said while coming through to the man.
Speaker 3: But gammer always prefers that batter at number eight and
Speaker 3: when you're playing three spinners, you won't play your best.
Speaker 1: Now then I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Probably it should come at the cost of a spin
Speaker 3: You know this is going to question the next you
Speaker 3: don't do World Cup might win the because there's know
Speaker 3: what to challenge you when you play World Cup, you
Speaker 3: need your best of course in the UEA. If you
Speaker 3: see India have played this combination not in the World Cup,
Speaker 3: where they've played in the USA again in the Champions
Speaker 3: Trophy in the same comedy. But then you're already arguing
Speaker 3: that the gulf between the two teams is so big
Speaker 3: that this is where you can essentially experiment. People know
Speaker 3: what they're doing. Probably against Pakistan they might play Mumerah
Speaker 3: and against Oman when we face Oman, they might rest
Speaker 3: Uma and bring us sleep. But I think this is
Speaker 3: the template. Three spinners, one on one front line fast baller,
Speaker 3: which is what there is the Champions troph in a
Speaker 3: fifty over tournaments. So why aren't you resting? Just sit
Speaker 3: him down, get him some.
Speaker 1: Legs, especially after all those calls of.
Speaker 3: Management of a tournament. He can't bandages.
Speaker 1: But why play against you? This is the management man.
Speaker 3: You make him play whatever whatever you are. You can't
Speaker 3: push Boom into an India Pakistan contest. Get just you can.
Speaker 3: We on the outside we think he's bumra, but he
Speaker 3: also has to get used to the conditions. He also
Speaker 3: has has to get used to that.
Speaker 1: By that logic you're saying, will not play Pakistani.
Speaker 3: Also, that's what I think, because India are settling into
Speaker 3: the play. Basically, what you're saying is play Boomra in
Speaker 3: Pakistan against Pakistan, remove him from playing eleven or step
Speaker 3: till Pakistan and as Steve gets moved out. But that's
Speaker 3: not going to happen. See, it depends on the conditions. Also,
Speaker 3: if you want to play three spinners, I would I
Speaker 3: would prefer asleep and playing. But India won't prefers playing
Speaker 3: because they want the batter at number eight.
Speaker 1: GM wants the batter number eight.
Speaker 3: Which is the formula that we just to win the
Speaker 3: champions So it's a proven formula. See, unfortunate is unfortunate.
Speaker 3: So many people are unfortunates. It is unfortunate. But then
Speaker 3: you can pick leven.
Speaker 1: Actually, this is the best Indian side is playing.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's that is the biggest.
Speaker 1: Day you want to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're brave enough, which I shay, I think
Speaker 3: they should be because seven batters can do you the job.
Speaker 3: I think if you've part the Indian squad, let's assume
Speaker 3: that it's a twenty two man squad. Yeah, we might
Speaker 3: be playing the final against each Other's definitely what we
Speaker 3: have been discussing. But yeah, so all of ours agreeing
Speaker 3: India wins, right, yeah, in very ways. Yeah, but India
Speaker 3: are winning it. I said it's a one sided contest.
Speaker 3: He said, it's a one contest. You're saying that probably
Speaker 3: the conditions in the thing that in one condition is
Speaker 3: you want you want the Pakistan fastballers or the bowling
Speaker 3: group to do at least are you people irrespective of
Speaker 3: whatever team they come from. Yeah, to keep you in
Speaker 3: that the only consistent idea that I have. Probably that's
Speaker 3: what we all want. A competitive match because after all
Speaker 3: the you know, hala that has happened over the last
Speaker 3: few months, kill the competitive match. Let's not sleep off
Speaker 3: by eight thirty that day. That is something that will
Speaker 3: be very disappointing. Yeah, but we should ask our listeners
Speaker 3: and viewers also what they think about this India Pakistan
Speaker 3: clash and whether our assessment of the power balance will
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