WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:04.799 Callaroga Shark Media. 2 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.839 Happy to hear. I'm Johnny Mack with your Daily Comedy News. Recently, 3 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.199 I was a guest on The Letterman podcast with Mike Chisholm. 4 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.480 We talked about all kinds of things comedy and asked Mike, hey, 5 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:23.039 can I repurpose the interview for my show so I 6 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:26.160 can take January first off? And Mike said sure. So 7 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.800 today is a long one. I just want to get 8 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.600 in front of something. The hosting company I use, I 9 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:34.600 have to place a commercial break every twenty minutes or 10 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.719 one will be automatically inserted, all right, And this entire 11 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:40.439 thing raw was about an hour and twenty minute, so 12 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.560 this is probably the longest episode of Daily Comedy News ever. 13 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:45.640 But when you get around all the fourth commercial break 14 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:47.200 and you're like, John, what the heck? 15 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:47.479 Man? 16 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.479 If I don't put a marker, it's going to get 17 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:52.799 dropped in mid sentence. So at least I'm placing the 18 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:56.000 commercials an hour and twenty of stuff today, with more 19 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.159 commercials than you get in a ten minute episode, So 20 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.479 I hope you can understand all that. Anyway, here's my 21 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:02.920 wonderful conversation with Mike Chisholm. 22 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:05.560 John when I'm so glad that every once in a while, 23 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:07.799 when something happens in comedy, you'll just throw an email 24 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:09.439 out to me and it's, oh, yes, John and I 25 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:12.159 got to connect, and it feels like two comic books 26 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.439 doing the crossover thing when we do this. I'm so 27 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:17.760 glad that you're back on the show. So much to 28 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:19.879 talk about in the world of comedy, in the world 29 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.359 of Late Night, in the world of Letterman. Lots of 30 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:25.280 stuff this week, even when it comes to David Letterman, 31 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.599 Thank you so much for coming back on the show. 32 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.920 I really appreciate this, and I'm just looking forward to 33 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:32.400 just conversing with you, my friend. 34 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:34.959 Now, happy to be here. I'll tell you when you 35 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.680 just sent me the link. My podcast, Daily Company News 36 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:39.879 is just audio, so you've got the high pressure of video. 37 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:42.120 So I'm like, oh, let me check my hair now. 38 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.599 I've got the David Letterman Gulf of Mexico thing that 39 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:46.959 he had in the eighties, so I got to make 40 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:49.439 sure I moose it up otherwise I have that thing going. 41 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:50.879 So I have that in common with Dave, but it 42 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:53.319 hit him about twenty years earlier that it's hit me. 43 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.519 The hair piece is securely in place. It looks fantastic. 44 00:01:57.560 --> 00:01:58.920 You're doing very well, sir. 45 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.719 There are days William Shatner and I have the same 46 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.079 hair minus natural, but his current piece looks pretty good. 47 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.680 Good Canadian boy, William Shatner. One of the secrets that 48 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.560 he said to life. People always ask him because he's 49 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:13.280 like freakishly elderly compared to how he looks. And don't 50 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.319 get me wrong, I want to I don't want to 51 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:17.560 be an ageist or anything like that. But he looks 52 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.439 fantastic for his age, and somebody frequently has that. He's 53 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.000 been asked how he looks so good, and he says, 54 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.639 every single year he puts five pounds on and that 55 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:27.759 was his because I think the five pounds smooth out 56 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:29.879 some of the things that would be wrinkles otherwise. But 57 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.719 now this is great. How's Daily Comedy News Go? I 58 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.960 love your podcast. I cannot endorse it enough for those 59 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.800 of us out there who love this thing called comedy. 60 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:42.240 The Daily Comedy News podcast is fantastic. It's a nice 61 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:44.960 little bite where every day you get caught up with 62 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:46.960 what's going on in the world. There's lots of little 63 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:49.400 inside jokes if you listen to it along the way, 64 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.560 like Letterman, there's ongoing little jokes that that you put 65 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.719 into this thing. It is such a great show. How's 66 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.000 it going for you have fourteen hundred episodes in something 67 00:02:58.080 --> 00:02:58.360 like that. 68 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:02.439 Yeah, it probably five years or so. I feel like 69 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:04.599 it's really in a groove that I have my creative 70 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:07.639 voice and where I want the show to be. The 71 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.560 show comes out to the same length every day without 72 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.000 me checking the clock. It's got a rhythm. In the 73 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.919 A block, I do people you've heard of Chris Rock, 74 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:16.759 and then then take a break and in the back 75 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.919 end do a little more esoteric stuff. Like you said, 76 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.319 there's in jokes. We have a joke that's a year 77 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.680 old now about Joe Coy, which my tailor's hired. Yeah, 78 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:26.800 the Taylor Swift joke. So, just to catch everybody up, 79 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.120 if you saw the Gold Globes last year, Joe Coy 80 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:31.680 made a joke about Taylor Swift, and I've just turned 81 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.000 it into a recurring gag. I'll set it up and 82 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:35.560 the audience knows it's coming, and I'll be like, you know, 83 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:37.120 I don't know if you remember this one time Joe 84 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:39.199 Coy made this joke about Taylor Swift. Yeah, let's listen. 85 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.080 To it, and I had some audience members are like, 86 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:43.919 will you stop, and other people areud on the joke. 87 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.560 I actually have the jokes shaved down to it's four seconds, 88 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:50.840 but the four seconds sounds like an eternity because I've 89 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.840 played it ninety times out of the last three sixty five. 90 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:55.879 But it's a good recurring bit. I like that kind 91 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:59.280 of stuff. It's silly, very much a Letterman. From the beginning. 92 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.919 He always had these sort of things, and even up 93 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:01.599 to the very end. 94 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.199 Somebody was I saw somebody commenting on one of Dave's 95 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.280 most recent it was either the YouTube, I think it 96 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.120 was the on the YouTube, and he was talking about 97 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.680 Letterman and drummers. And when you watch the end of 98 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.199 Late Show, the run of the Late Sha the last 99 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.319 few years, every other musical performance, as he would come 100 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:19.920 out and thank the band after they were done, he 101 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:21.360 would look at the drummer and say, hey, a, these 102 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:23.639 are your drums. And it was just this thing that 103 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.920 just kept going on and on, and people who I 104 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:29.519 get people who ask me, hey, what's up with the 105 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.360 drum thing? And it's like that, And there's so much 106 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:38.399 of his humor that has permeated everything that gets done 107 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.160 right now, And a lot of people have talked about 108 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:42.920 the idea that, oh, it's going to be lost, it 109 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.920 won't be credited back to Letterman. Maybe not so fast? 110 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:47.600 See what I did there? See what I did there? 111 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:49.439 With the not so fast, I almost missed it. 112 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.360 I'm glad you said did you see what I did there? 113 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:54.240 That's, by the way, should be stricken from the record completely. 114 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:55.879 Did you see what I did there? Is one of 115 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.639 those phrases that I think has been used enough that 116 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.839 probably needs to be strict from the English language. Letterman 117 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:05.079 launched a fast channel this week, and I thought that 118 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.079 was really exciting news for me. I don't know, what 119 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.319 did you have? You covered that on the show already? 120 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.879 I heard it there yet it depends when we air this. 121 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:18.360 Ah as we record this, No, but by the time 122 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.600 people hear this, probably yes, travel So I'll just explain that. 123 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.879 Production wise, I tend to record the weekends in advance, 124 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.120 and I think this story appears on a Sunday episode. 125 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:28.680 Gotcha. 126 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:31.079 Look, I deal the audience straight. I don't do this 127 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.160 seven days a week. I do it four days a week. 128 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.920 And it's pretty predictable, and there are predictable events in 129 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.240 comedy like Netflix specials come out every Tuesday or when 130 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:42.199 he is New Year's Eve this year, so you can 131 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.959 pre tape some of these. And as as a creator, 132 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.480 if something I don't want to jinx anybody, but if 133 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.839 somebody of note passes away, I run down to the basement, 134 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.600 I put out a bonus episode. 135 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:54.240 And it's appreciated. How you do it, I love it. 136 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.680 And it's a predictably unpredictable when it comes to that, 137 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.279 because it does stay spontaneous with the time. It's just 138 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.879 like Letterman's YouTube channel. You can expect a clip every day. 139 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:07.839 Sometimes those clips will be timed perfectly, like for example, 140 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.879 when Wicked opened. Here's the clip from when the cast 141 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.160 of Wicked showed up and did a number at the 142 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.199 Ed Sullivant Theater. And then sometimes it's just something that's 143 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.959 funny from the show, and sometimes it is an extra 144 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.360 clip comes out when somebody has passed away. And it's 145 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:26.079 interesting how the folks who run Letterman's digital wing of 146 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.240 Worldwide Pants really at the end of the day part 147 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:33.720 of their job Walter and his team is obituaries. And 148 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:37.360 you have that mantle as well, where the guard is changing. 149 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:39.000 I think we talked about maybe we talked about this 150 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:41.639 last time with Newhart. I know we did off camera. Anyway, 151 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.560 when some of these people are passing away, it's up 152 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.759 to you to comment on it based on the brand 153 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:48.399 that you're building. 154 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:51.279 I'm talking about the changing of the guard, and this 155 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.000 tees me up perfectly because I did want to talk 156 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.879 about Jay Leno. So when Jay had his eepatch incidents. Yeah, 157 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:59.959 I teach college class and I was asking the students 158 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.240 and just talking about Jay Leno and one of my 159 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.000 favorite students he sits in the front row. He asks 160 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.120 who's Jay Leno? And I looked at him and I said, 161 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.560 you just murdered me. And I stopped and I'm like, 162 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.199 how do I explain to Jay Leno? Is he hosted 163 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.519 the Tonight show before Jimmy Fallon? Was my best answer, 164 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.120 So that brings me to it was just in the news, 165 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.480 Lena was talking about why he stays in Hampton Inns 166 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.000 and what went down, and he was pretty funny about it, 167 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.800 explaining this was on Spike Thurston's podcast, and Jay was 168 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.199 explaining that no, the mafia didn't come to Pennsylvania to 169 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.199 find him and throw him down a hill, which once 170 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.240 he pointed it out. I'm like, yeah, you probably if 171 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:38.480 they wanted to get to him, they could get to 172 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.560 him in LA he's around. But I was thinking about this, 173 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:43.439 so here you have a college student. It was no 174 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:44.600 idea who Jay Leno is. 175 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:45.360 Now. 176 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.199 Jay doesn't have the most generic face the way say 177 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.279 is Steve. If Stephen Colbert took off his glasses and 178 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.680 passed me in the airport, I might not recognize him. 179 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.319 Jay has more of a character's face, definitely. But that said, 180 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.240 if he checks into a Hampton in at one am 181 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.519 in nowhere, Pennsylvania, there's a pretty decent chance that the 182 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.000 person working is young and just goes, mister Lenno, you're 183 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.600 in room three thirty two, and he could probably check 184 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:12.720 in as Jay Leno. 185 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.199 Yep, absolutely, it's We just did an episode. Actually, I 186 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.000 still got it on the desk here. We just did 187 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.480 a review episode. A couple we talk about Carson the 188 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.000 Magnificent because the Zemi book just came out after all 189 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.360 that time, and we've been talking about Johnny Carson, and 190 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.480 it's funny. It's almost like there's not a day that 191 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.720 goes by where I'm like, you know what, why we 192 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:32.039 do this show. One of the reasons we do the 193 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:35.519 show is because people are forgeting who Johnny Carson was 194 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:36.879 and he was the biggest star in the world, and 195 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.320 people look at me so quizzically. And even two years 196 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.639 later after starting Letterman podcast, people will say to me 197 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:45.519 sometimes they know I'm a financial planner by trade, and 198 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:47.480 they'll be, oh, yeah, but he's got two podcasts too, 199 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:48.840 and they'll be like, oh, what kind of podcast do 200 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:50.440 you host? And I'm like, yeah, I host Amend's mental 201 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.440 wellness podcast and the other one. And I ask this 202 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.240 question now, I never used to do you know who 203 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.200 David Letterman is? Wow? And to me, that is absolutely 204 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.639 baffling that I have to ask that question. And even 205 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:06.440 more baffling are the answers I get back, because even 206 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.200 it happened to me yesterday. Yeah, that's I'm like, you 207 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.120 know who? And I do the exact same thing that 208 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:13.440 you do. And I don't even lead with Colbert. I say, 209 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.480 do you know who Jimmy Fallon is? Because I feel 210 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.039 that he's the one that that of all the late 211 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.000 night hosts, I believe he's the one that speaks to 212 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.000 the youngest demo at this point than any of them, 213 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.840 even more than Taylor. I think even and oh yeah, 214 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.440 I know Fallon Is. I said, okay, he has the 215 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.159 Tonight Show, right, Letterman's one of those guys. Oh yeah, 216 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.840 that's what that is baffling to me. But at the 217 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.120 same time, I believe that the Worldwide Pants they're in 218 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:42.720 a they're in legacy mode in some respects. They're combating 219 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:46.519 that by creating this fast channel. I'm really excited about 220 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.279 the fact if you're a Samsung TV owner you can 221 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.399 go to Samsung TV Plus and I think it's channel 222 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:55.960 one thousand. Yep is all Letterman all the time. It 223 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.480 seems to be curated. I'm trying to get some answers 224 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.320 to see exactly what the hunks are going to look 225 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:03.120 like when the hunks are going to change. It seems 226 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:05.720 like most of the stuff on there right now is holidays, 227 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.639 and I don't know how that's going to go. But 228 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:12.080 it's very cool that we have an opportunity, probably for 229 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:16.159 the first time because Cavot and Carson and what Memurve Griffin, 230 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:17.840 which has been focused on Murk Griffin the last couple 231 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.440 of weeks here, a lot of their catalogs are inaccessible 232 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:25.320 or completely erase. They're gone. Here, we have Letterman who 233 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.159 owns all of his own stuff, and they're gonna put 234 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.080 it out there. It's going to be very interesting to 235 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.200 see how much of this new generation, who is a 236 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:36.960 throwback generation, attach themselves and rediscovered Dave's comedy. 237 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:40.519 Yeah, I put it on during halftime of Thursday Night 238 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:44.000 Football and they were doing chunks of either petricks or 239 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.679 human tricks, and that they seem to be programmed in 240 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.159 on a half hour blocks of compilations of that. And 241 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.759 I have a Samsung TV. I rarely use the fast channels, 242 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:55.519 and I'm sure I will now more, both because my 243 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.679 provider just raised their hikes, their hike their prices, and 244 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:02.399 a Letterman channel. But as I was looking at it, 245 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:04.360 same thing I talked about last time I was on. 246 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:09.240 Some of the clips were nineteen eighty for my Dave 247 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.600 and some were older Late Show Dave, and some spoke 248 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.679 to me and some didn't. But it's interesting how do 249 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.799 you curate that thirty year career and are things like 250 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.360 Netflix part of it? And there's the Late Night said 251 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:25.039 stability and other than the first year and a half, 252 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:28.799 the Late Show, grown up mature Dave sensibility, and they 253 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:30.320 don't always mix too well. 254 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.080 No, and it's funny. Let's throw Don Giller's channel into 255 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.559 this as a because he, in my opinion, has a 256 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.639 very unique voice, and how he decided to take his 257 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.120 massive collection and assemble it and give it to us, 258 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.480 and the idea again, I went through MERV Griffin's compilation 259 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:48.440 not too long ago because it was boning up for 260 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.519 the episode will be focused on him, and you look 261 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.480 at Don Giller and how he would take chunks of 262 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.879 one particular topic or guest and then go from the 263 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.039 entire run, some of which being like mervh for example, 264 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.759 that David Letterman show. The Morning Show was Mrv's first 265 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.080 appearance all the way up to irv's last appearance on 266 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.440 Late Show shortly fairly close to his passing. And you 267 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.399 got to see if you watch the whole thing, you 268 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:15.559 get to see the evolution of things, and that is 269 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.879 a to me, that's a beautiful progression. And there's links there, 270 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.759 but yeah, you're right, it's jarring when you see one 271 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:26.720 clip from eighty four. Maybe something isoteric versus something that 272 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.440 is created more for the masses, more pop music for 273 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:31.519 the masses. And Late Show certainly didn't go as far 274 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.759 as Leno did when it came to that, but he 275 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.159 really did change the sensibility. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting 276 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:38.519 mixing it that way. 277 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.039 I'm excited for the channel. I'm sure you recall there 278 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:44.919 was it used to be a cable channel called Trio, 279 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:49.000 and Trio at some point, was this the nineties or 280 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.759 early aughts dusted off the late night shows and I 281 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.960 think they were running them at ten pm Eastern And yeah, 282 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.279 I would have had a tvo that now I'm dusting 283 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.000 it off so early o its probably And I was like, wait, 284 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.320 I can just watch nineteen eighty three Letterman episodes. This 285 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.320 was amazing and I took them all in So I 286 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:10.039 like that. It's there the random factor of if I 287 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:11.679 tune in and I'm not into this, guest, it's a 288 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.240 little throwback. We're here in the age of on demand 289 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:16.480 and streaming so af fast channels, a little bit retro. 290 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.399 But how great that all this content will be surfacing again. 291 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:23.200 Yeah, I'm really excited for it, and I hope that 292 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.120 I hope that the people who love this thing that 293 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:27.159 we love so much, which is comedy, I hope that 294 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:29.240 a lot of these people will dive into this and 295 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.679 take a look at some of the architects of what 296 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:34.960 we have that is mainstay right now, Dave being and 297 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.000 the writers of course, and all the producers like it. 298 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.080 Dave is the first to say that it wasn't just him. 299 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.159 He was a tip of the spear, but the support 300 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.720 system and the team that he assembled behind him, how 301 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.279 they changed comedy. They really did. And yeah, so it's 302 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.759 great to see that love. I hope that we can 303 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:51.919 see more of some of this old content that we 304 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.639 might not have seen before and it gets utilized. But 305 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:59.720 it's so difficult because of the red tape that exists. 306 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:02.679 Right How many of these things that we loved so 307 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:06.159 much have changed hands from a rights perspective because this 308 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.879 conglomerate has swallowed up this conglomerate and now it becomes 309 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:13.639 really difficult worldwide. Pants is in such a unique spot 310 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:17.720 because Dave owned his show, he owned his content, and 311 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.240 that that's a Yeah, it's a very unique spot that 312 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:22.679 Dave has given himself. 313 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.679 In the industry, a lot of this estate stuff gets 314 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:29.320 tied up in an absence of rules. So, for example, 315 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:33.519 if you wanted to license a clip of Steve Allen 316 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:36.360 for use on a video podcast that you're going to 317 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.200 stream on YouTube, is there even a rule. 318 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.679 Yeah, great point, great point, especially if you're talking over 319 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.000 it and you're now repurposing it a little bit. Is 320 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:47.600 there a rule? Is there not a rule? And are 321 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.879 they gonna Yeah, that's and who gets paid? Yep, yep. 322 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.799 That's very complicated. And as I talked about at the top, 323 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.840 let me drop a commercial break in here so one 324 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.200 doesn't get dropped in on you be right back with 325 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:02.000 more than Mike on Letterman Podcast. 326 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:05.480 By the way, Dave won an Emmy. We haven't talked 327 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:07.480 about that. Isn't that a neat thing? How his my 328 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:10.559 next guest with John Mulaney won on Emmy. His current 329 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:14.279 offerings are still current enough that they're being awarded things. 330 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:15.559 I was very happy to see that. 331 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.919 Yeah, it's funny. It happens to everybody. You start out 332 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.240 as the counterculture, and if you put in your thirty years, 333 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:23.440 you're the culture and there's some new guy looking to 334 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:24.000 take you down. 335 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.080 Yeah, it's it was neat to see that. And it's 336 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.639 interesting because my next guest on Netflix and I wonder 337 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.360 about the strategic value I was talking I had a 338 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.039 conversation with Morning not too long ago, and we were 339 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:37.240 talking about the strategic value of Okay, we're gonna put 340 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.039 out a season which is gonna have a few different 341 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:40.759 episodes in it, but then we'll put out a special 342 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:44.399 one that is outside of the season, and it's titled 343 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:48.440 Differently even and the Millenney episode was specifically titled different 344 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.240 It wasn't in with the season with Miley and and 345 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:53.519 the other one which it's escaping me right now, but 346 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.240 it was its own, like it was a special my 347 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.440 next Guest with d because John Mulaney's name was actually 348 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.960 in the title of it as well, and that's the 349 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.320 one that won the Emmy. It was a powerful episode, 350 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.960 really cool. He's doing the thom Snyder thing and getting 351 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.200 this stuff out of John, the dinner with his dad. 352 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:10.840 It was just such a powerful episode. I'm glad it 353 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.399 was recognized. But then you got Dave on Neil Brennan 354 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.000 giving an interview that one of the best interviews I've 355 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:20.879 ever seen. And then recently, have you had a chance 356 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:25.240 to watch the GQ story of David Letterman and Zach 357 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.759 Barron interviewed him. It was a phenomenal outing. 358 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:30.639 I thought, I read the article and I don't want 359 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.360 to take over your show and start dragging you around, 360 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.639 but I do want to discuss the part where Letterman 361 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.559 talked about not being able to live up to Carson 362 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:42.240 and then talked about Today's hosts and threw them a bone, 363 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.639 as if I think he may have caught himself on 364 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.360 the fly realizing like, oh, I'm going to say it 365 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:48.679 sound like a jerk saying these Today's hosts aren't as 366 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.039 good as Carson, which they're not. Let's all be real, 367 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.960 No one is. Absolutely that was Letterman's original part point, yes, 368 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.919 but then he started talking about maybe some of them 369 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.519 are as good as Carson. And I'm not here to 370 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:05.160 be negative, but who could that even mean? Like, clearly, 371 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:09.119 Jimmy Fallon is not Johnny Carson. No, Colbert is doing 372 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.680 something else and not trying to be Johnny Carson. So 373 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:16.200 is Jimmy Kimmel Today's Johnny Carson. I could maybe drag 374 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.559 it up to Jimmy Kimmel's Today's David Letterman, but I 375 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:20.599 don't think Kimmel's Today's Johnny Carson. 376 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.920 Yeah. I heard that as well, and I think I 377 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:26.480 don't know he was talking about like when you think 378 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.559 about somebody, because I listened to that as well, and 379 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:30.759 I was thinking, Okay, that's very interesting. Throwing them a 380 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.359 bone is a fantastic way of putting it. But I 381 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.119 thought about Johnny's skillset, and I've been down that rabbit 382 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.519 hole for the last month probably I've been watching a 383 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.759 lot of Carson clips again with the Zemi book and 384 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:45.039 talking about that. Carson had a skill set that Letterman 385 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.440 never ever even tried to emulate when he did his show, 386 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.119 Number one, because he wanted Late Night to be very different, 387 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.880 and Late Night had to be very different than the 388 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:58.599 Tonight Show. But also because again they just celebrate, celebrated. 389 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.039 I don't know if that's a high lighted on Dave's 390 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:04.119 YouTube channel on the Barber Games Show, just highlighted when 391 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:09.799 Dave was on Mary's Variety Show and how how much 392 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:12.119 he hated the dance number and to the point where 393 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:13.440 he didn't only had to do it a couple of 394 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:14.920 times and then they said, Okay, you don't have to 395 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.240 do this. Being on that variety show, Johnny Carson had 396 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:23.079 a skill set that very few people had at that time, 397 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.559 from the magician, the singer, a little bit of actor sketch, 398 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.559 the sketch stuff he would do as well as the 399 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.440 host game show stuff, and then broadcaster. All of these 400 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:38.240 things won And as I heard that Dave talk about that, 401 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.599