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Speaker 1: welcome to the show, Michael Hoffman. How you doing, Michael?
Speaker 2: Really good, Alex, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show, and
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your remarkable life journey, which has
Speaker 1: been interesting to say the least, and what you've gone through,
Speaker 1: your spiritual awakenings, the trauma you've dealt with. I think
Speaker 1: your story can help a lot of people listening today.
Speaker 1: So my first question is about the time you were
Speaker 1: in a cult, How that you opened yourself into that.
Speaker 1: I've never spoken to anybody who's been in a cult before,
Speaker 1: so this should be fairly interesting, fairly interesting conversation, at
Speaker 1: least from my point of view. So how did you start?
Speaker 1: How did you get kind of wrapped into this kind
Speaker 1: of situation?
Speaker 2: That's that's the next nine question, And the precursor of
Speaker 2: that question is my childhood, coming from a dysfunctional alcoholic family,
Speaker 2: having been abused physically, and emotionally, and then having my
Speaker 2: parents' divorce, and then I was basically just starttled from
Speaker 2: boarding school to boarding school, and then my mother had
Speaker 2: to she We lived in Mexico, and because I was
Speaker 2: born and raised there, and I felt very abandoned because
Speaker 2: suddenly she had to leave because there was in danger
Speaker 2: because my father was a violent alcoholic, So that as
Speaker 2: a precursor left me with lots of childhood trauma. I
Speaker 2: studied psychology, and I guess one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I leaned towards that was to find out a little
Speaker 2: bit more about how to yield myself. But apparently after
Speaker 2: I graduated from university, I got attracted to this very subversive,
Speaker 2: hypnotizing group of people who promised you everything in the world.
Speaker 2: In other words, I was looking friends. I was looking
Speaker 2: around the basic answers to life of what is this
Speaker 2: all about? Why am I hereus? What are we doing here?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Those were the basic ones. But on the other hand,
Speaker 2: the other piece to that was I need healing. So
Speaker 2: I gravitated toward these people. And thing was based upon ego,
Speaker 2: you're here for a special reason. You would not come
Speaker 2: in contact or would have not come into contact and
Speaker 2: with us if the universe didn't want you to be here,
Speaker 2: or the cosmic means or the ascended masters. So uh.
Speaker 2: In other words, it was a really subtle play into
Speaker 2: ego you're special. And then the leader, the cult leader,
Speaker 2: and I don't identify him or her is simply I
Speaker 2: won't even give him that that energy. Simply the cult
Speaker 2: leader was saying, I have a direct connection to the universe.
Speaker 2: I have direct connections to God. Of course, everything that
Speaker 2: you need to know comes comes through me. And of course,
Speaker 2: give me your money, give me your money, come and
Speaker 2: come and study with us, which I did. I gave
Speaker 2: up a really good job, Alex. I mean I was
Speaker 2: making really good money and.
Speaker 1: This but this sounds very much of a it's an
Speaker 1: old playbook. This is not a new playbook.
Speaker 2: It's it's no, it's really old and it's boring.
Speaker 1: Actually, I oh, very very unimaginative exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like there's no imagination to whatsoever to this. It's
Speaker 2: just slammed dunk, thank you, ma'am, gotcham And now you're
Speaker 2: going to work for us, and you're going to uh,
Speaker 2: you're going to give us your money and you're going
Speaker 2: to help us to spread the news of this, We're
Speaker 2: going to increase our numbers, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, the same old thing. It's like
Speaker 2: trying to to sell you the world and tell you that,
Speaker 2: you know, you're going to raise thousands of years of
Speaker 2: karma by being with us. By the way, obviously at
Speaker 2: the time I didn't know what karma was, so they
Speaker 2: have to be explained to me, and of course go ahead.
Speaker 1: What's really interesting so far of your story is that
Speaker 1: it is it's tapping into existing belief systems that are
Speaker 1: not associated like you know, karma ascended masters. These are
Speaker 1: not mainstream like that Western mainstream ideas. These are all
Speaker 1: Eastern ideas, but they're manipulating those ideas for their own
Speaker 1: egoic benefits.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and that have been said better. And
Speaker 2: ego is one of the key ingredients to the sense
Speaker 2: that uh, the leader, the call leader was just it's
Speaker 2: all about what I can bring to you, and the
Speaker 2: co leader was interested in money basically, but well down
Speaker 2: to and I I evesdropped on one of the conversations
Speaker 2: the spouses, the spouse of the leader, and the spouse said,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this. You were you just exaggerate everything,
Speaker 2: and then you expect people to come in here and
Speaker 2: give you all this money, and then you want to
Speaker 2: go Then you want to go here, and you want
Speaker 2: to go there, and you want to travel all over
Speaker 2: the world. I don't think that's right. And I was
Speaker 2: listening to this and that whole idol came crashing down
Speaker 2: and I go, oops, there's something wrong. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I was having psychological effects because it turned
Speaker 2: out that it wasn't so positive. It was nefarious. It
Speaker 2: was evil. There was a programming that took place, And
Speaker 2: now I understand it. As a cognitive behavioral counselor and
Speaker 2: as a egen or a feedback practitioner, I understood what
Speaker 2: they did. And they basically programmed all of us to
Speaker 2: go down to the subconscious level accept the information and
Speaker 2: these nefarious messages that were being planted. So basically what
Speaker 2: they did they reprogrammed my mind.
Speaker 1: By the way, not an easy feat to do. To
Speaker 1: get into the subconscious and to reprogram someone, it is
Speaker 1: not easy.
Speaker 2: Well it isn't. It isn't, But I'll tell you how
Speaker 2: they did it. They had us chant and chant and
Speaker 2: chant and chant and chant. We did we sang, we chanted,
Speaker 2: We sang, we chanted, and then the leader would come
Speaker 2: in and then deliver the messages from the big cosmic
Speaker 2: masters or the ascended masters or whatever, and or the saints.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make difference who it is. I mean,
Speaker 2: And some of these messages, we were down. We were
Speaker 2: already at us lower level. Our brain waves were down
Speaker 2: in the alpha, from alpha down to the theta level,
Speaker 2: which is the hippnagogic regent. If you want any access
Speaker 2: to your subconscious mind, go to theata that's between four
Speaker 2: and seven hearts. And as a trained, certified ner feedback practitioner,
Speaker 2: I suddenly realized that's how they got in. That's how
Speaker 2: they were able to program all of these messages, all
Speaker 2: of these and they were fear based. I mean they were.
Speaker 2: It came to the point where I started dissociating. If
Speaker 2: you understand what that means, my psyche my brain went
Speaker 2: into an altered ego, an altered state of consciousness that
Speaker 2: prevented me from being in touch with reality. It was
Speaker 2: like living in a dream.
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Speaker 2: And I I and they had more more control over
Speaker 2: me after that. But it wasn't just me, it was
Speaker 2: all the other people around.
Speaker 1: Me, enforcements around you. You're seeing, Oh this must be real.
Speaker 1: Look at all these other people.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, And so that risk reinforced all kinds of
Speaker 2: u states of consciousness and just really bad, bad, bad
Speaker 2: psychological feelings and being I don't know why you attract
Speaker 2: so many Catholics, but you do, being recovery. I I
Speaker 2: got all those during Catechism and all the all the year,
Speaker 2: going to go to Hell and if you fish on
Speaker 2: Friday while you're the Devil's you're going to go to
Speaker 2: Hell and the Devil's going to and all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: So I was pre programmed.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, Hm, you're right, you
Speaker 1: were right for the Oh.
Speaker 2: No kidding, I mean it was just like, you can't
Speaker 2: even believe that I did. I left out one piece
Speaker 2: in my childhood. I think it's important to mention that
Speaker 2: is they didn't know what to do with Michael Hoffman.
Speaker 2: My parents did. My father my mother had already gone,
Speaker 2: so they sent me to boarding school after boarding school,
Speaker 2: and boarding school mostly in Mexico City or Puebla, and
Speaker 2: then then an extended family member said, Oh, I think
Speaker 2: what we'll do is, you know, there's this American priest
Speaker 2: here who has an orphanage, so let's send them there. Jesus,
Speaker 2: So I was sent in talk about culture shock. I
Speaker 2: mean I was sent into these orphans. I mean they
Speaker 2: they didn't have fathers and mothers. They were just kids
Speaker 2: that were found on the street. And it was it
Speaker 2: was that was horrible in itself, and the only way
Speaker 2: that I could get out of it was, oh, I
Speaker 2: want to I want to be a priest. So I started.
Speaker 2: I told the priest, I said I want to go
Speaker 2: to seminary because I was I was going to do
Speaker 2: everything that I could get out of that place, I
Speaker 2: mean anything, and that was my way out. And eventually
Speaker 2: he said he doubted whether I had a vocation. I
Speaker 2: mean I was only like twelve years old, but they
Speaker 2: take him young and and so they accepted me, and
Speaker 2: I was there. I didn't last long. I lasted maybe
Speaker 2: a year at the most. And but all of those
Speaker 2: that precursor programming was already there as a baseline, and
Speaker 2: then I have this fault on top of it, reinforcing
Speaker 2: it a thousandfold. All of these fear based beliefs hell
Speaker 2: into the attachment, there were people who committed suicide, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the thing, the thing is, what is important for
Speaker 2: me is to really be uh conscious of these fear
Speaker 2: based beliefs that we're not challenging in our society today.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Fear based beliefs don't come from source. They come from
Speaker 2: the reptilian brain.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's why on the cover of my book, the face
Speaker 2: of the iguana is the iguana with with the butterfly,
Speaker 2: and the iguana represents the reptilian brain. The reptilian brain
Speaker 2: is the fight flight freeze element of our our brain,
Speaker 2: and it's the amygdala, which really means almond and Greek.
Speaker 2: Is that part of our brain that sounds the alarms,
Speaker 2: the bells, and the whistles when we are about to
Speaker 2: become lunch, are possibly going to become lunch, as you
Speaker 2: have mentioned so many on your times on your program The.
Speaker 3: Tiger and so so that that part of the brain
Speaker 3: then is just constantly reinforcing the fight flight response in memory.
Speaker 2: Of the parts of the various messages that I received
Speaker 2: or was programmed into me, not just from the cult,
Speaker 2: but all the way up from childhood through the seminary
Speaker 2: through the Catholic Church and and the flight flight preeze
Speaker 2: response when we have and science has been able to
Speaker 2: prove that when we have a memory of a very
Speaker 2: scary element in our life and we remember that, that
Speaker 2: enforces that memory because nor adrenaline uh nora p nephrine
Speaker 2: coortsol is released and that has a reinforcing effect. So
Speaker 2: people who have PTSD, which I had for fourty years,
Speaker 2: the PTSD then is reinforced and reinforced and reinforced. And
Speaker 2: so what we need to be aware of is when
Speaker 2: children are subjected to these fear based beliefs. And we're
Speaker 2: talking about two three years old, I mean, how old
Speaker 2: were you when you went to pattle Well?
Speaker 1: I started, I started right away. I mean the first
Speaker 1: time I remember being exposed at the concept of hell
Speaker 1: was first grade. First grade. I came home terrified. I know,
Speaker 1: I was think the devil, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: to Hell. I gotta be bad. I got to be
Speaker 1: get is in the farious exactly welcome to the club, truly.
Speaker 2: So it was just like, you know, if fear based
Speaker 2: beliefs stacked on fear based beliefs stacked on fear based
Speaker 2: belief and then you have the perfect cocktail or dissociative disorders,
Speaker 2: and also you have a perfect cocktail for a wonderful
Speaker 2: episode of PTSD, which lasted for me intermittently forty years.
Speaker 1: One thing I want to kind of go back into
Speaker 1: what you said, and you kind of mentioned it in
Speaker 1: regards to source. But when you said that, the leader
Speaker 1: came out and spoke for the ascended Masters. The concept
Speaker 1: of ascended Masters is an Eastern philosophy. It is part
Speaker 1: of Eastern you know, either Hindu or Yogic philosophy, these
Speaker 1: kind of things. If anyone's listening, if anyone says things
Speaker 1: in regards to source, ascended Masters being a Jesus, a Buddha,
Speaker 1: those kind of saint Jermain, Yogananda, whoever you want to
Speaker 1: speak of, none of those messages are fear based. Not
Speaker 1: exactly one is fear based. If you look into any
Speaker 1: of the Ascended Master's teachings, they're all based in love,
Speaker 1: based in the powers and within you. You have to remember
Speaker 1: who you are. All of the strength is within you.
Speaker 1: And they're not asking for cash, and they're not asking
Speaker 1: for you to join and to spread my word. They're
Speaker 1: talking about awaken as many people as they can in
Speaker 1: the time period that they need to awaken. Could be
Speaker 1: this life, could be the next one.
Speaker 2: Is that absolutely?
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of really point that out.
Speaker 2: Yes, Alex, and I thank you for also clarifying that
Speaker 2: because the ascended Master's Saints, anything, any being that comes
Speaker 2: from source is a is encapsulated and represents pure unconditional love,
Speaker 2: correct period. And if that message and that that vibration
Speaker 2: is not emitted, then you need to find the nearest
Speaker 2: exit e x T and find it and start running
Speaker 2: for it. And any belief system that gives you a
Speaker 2: sense of fear or dread or any type of anxiety
Speaker 2: is one that you need to be aware of and
Speaker 2: you need to take measures to stay away from. So
Speaker 2: then we go back to Okay, so what about all
Speaker 2: the Bible and the New Testament? And so I did
Speaker 2: a lot of research, and there's a lot of really
Speaker 2: good researchers out there, like Elaine Pagel's for example, that
Speaker 2: have discovered that the rival has been tampered with, It
Speaker 2: has been edited, it has been edited and re edited.
Speaker 2: And I don't and a lot of metaphysicians will agree
Speaker 2: with me on this. They they don't believe that Jesus
Speaker 2: ever came down to establish a church. He came down
Speaker 2: to teach love to love one another. Yeah, and in
Speaker 2: best life regressions for example from doctor Martin of doctor
Speaker 2: Michael Newton. This the whole message in the thousands and
Speaker 2: thousands of past life regressions that he's done, or life
Speaker 2: between lives and regressions, is the only religion in the
Speaker 2: afterlife is here and additional love.
Speaker 1: Correct, that's it.
Speaker 2: If you want to call that a religion.
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Speaker 2: But it's not a religion. Do you want to it's
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear something funny? As I was
Speaker 1: speaking to a grand master the other day as you do,
Speaker 1: who was in a Tibetan monastery for twenty years and
Speaker 1: a martial arts master as well, and he's evolved to
Speaker 1: a certain place, and I go, what was it that
Speaker 1: they taught you inside of the monastery. And I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: there's these library of ancient texts that they're digging into
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff. And they said that he
Speaker 1: goes when you come into the monastery, that there is
Speaker 1: religion is allowed to a certain extent in the monastery,
Speaker 1: he goes, but if you want to evolve to the
Speaker 1: next level, you must leave religion behind, which I thought
Speaker 1: was so powerful of a statement. And they said, what
Speaker 1: do they teach you, he goes. All they do is
Speaker 1: teach you techniques so you remember who you are. And
Speaker 1: once you remember who you are, which pure and conditional love,
Speaker 1: source energy, all that knowledge that they talk about floods
Speaker 1: in because you have access to it now, because you've
Speaker 1: released all the mud that you are carried around. So
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring that as a point because
Speaker 1: of the concept of religion, like, oh, and don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, if anybody's on a path in religion that's
Speaker 1: not fear based, it's not hurting anybody, and it's and
Speaker 1: it's the way they connect to God in this life.
Speaker 1: God blessed, go with God in many ways. But at
Speaker 1: a certain point, maybe this life made another one, you'll
Speaker 1: open up to other ideas.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I think that all the all of
Speaker 2: the masters, all of the great teachers have really come
Speaker 2: have said the same thing. And they're saying love is
Speaker 2: the basis of everything, and love is the is the
Speaker 2: force of the universe. It's the it's the essence of
Speaker 2: the universe. And from a physics point of view, it's
Speaker 2: all of that energy that is interconnective. It's the interconnective
Speaker 2: energy of the universe.
Speaker 1: Quantum entanglement, quantum entanglement.
Speaker 2: Call it what you may, and I mean physics it
Speaker 2: really is. When you marriage physics with these belief systems,
Speaker 2: you really physics explains how Source is that connected, that
Speaker 2: universal energy that connects everything and connects us all. I
Speaker 2: think you had Nancy Dennison on its wonderful, wonderful program,
Speaker 2: and I really love what she said. We are all
Speaker 2: strands of Source. We are strands of that ineffable, beautiful
Speaker 2: energy that is love and care.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 2: It encompasses everything that we are uh in contact with
Speaker 2: and everything that we're not in contact with. It encompasses
Speaker 2: things that be there are known, and things that are
Speaker 2: not known. And when you start realizing that this, this vehicle,
Speaker 2: this is just a vehicle, and that we are much
Speaker 2: larger than spiritually and energetically than this little, this villain,
Speaker 2: this vehicle that we've adopted to run around in this dimension.
Speaker 2: Once we leave the vehicle, we are just our wonderful, incredible,
Speaker 2: enormous spiritual selves.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. And so let me ask you, how did
Speaker 1: you escape this scenario? This this, this, this little, this
Speaker 1: little situation. You've put yourself into the the Houdini effect.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well I suddenly came up with
Speaker 4: a plan, because when you realize that somebody.
Speaker 2: Wants money, you talk that you talk that language, and
Speaker 2: they listened right. So one morning I woke up and
Speaker 2: I said, I got to get out of here. I
Speaker 2: just I can't. I can't be here anymore. So I
Speaker 2: came up with this plan to my grandmother. She's very rich. Now,
Speaker 2: I came up with this and I said to the
Speaker 2: one of the lieutenants, I said, you know, my grandma's
Speaker 2: getting really kind of old and she wants to have
Speaker 2: her estate of millions of dollars distributed. And but I
Speaker 2: have to go to Mexico and I have to be
Speaker 2: there for this. And they said, oh really, I said,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I think this would be wonderful for the organization,
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm coming back with the millions and
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to go.
Speaker 2: You need to go right away. I mean, you can't
Speaker 2: wait any longer. When are you to leave? And it
Speaker 2: was just like, really, oh now you're now, you're really
Speaker 2: showing who you are. And I mean that just cemented
Speaker 2: it for me. It just I said, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: on to you. I'm on to you big, big time.
Speaker 2: So I said, okay, I'm preparing myself to go and
Speaker 2: most of you later. And that was how I got away.
Speaker 2: But there were there was a lot of drama in
Speaker 2: between that almost I almost got caught, and they would
Speaker 2: have held me back, they would have prevented me, they
Speaker 2: would have locked me up, they would not have let
Speaker 2: me leave.
Speaker 1: Where was this base, by the way, was this space
Speaker 1: in the US California? Of course, California. That's where I'm from.
Speaker 1: Of course California. The best, the best, and the worst,
Speaker 1: as you will, there's much there's enlightenment in there, but
Speaker 1: there's a sliping of ego in California, especially where I
Speaker 1: come from, Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. Yeah, if anybody would know it be you,
Speaker 2: So then let.
Speaker 1: Me so, all right, So you you did? You finally
Speaker 1: get out? What happens? What happens next?
Speaker 2: Then they tried to hunt me down. I left for Gueranavaca,
Speaker 2: which is where I grew up, and they they looked
Speaker 2: for me. They contacted me. They say, Okay, when are
Speaker 2: you going to come back? When are you gonna bring
Speaker 2: you know, the money and all that. That's all they
Speaker 2: were interested, of course, not how you're doing. How's it
Speaker 2: going down there? We care about what you would you
Speaker 2: know about you and what and your health and all that.
Speaker 2: We don't care about that. We just want you to
Speaker 2: come back with the money. And uh, basically I just
Speaker 2: told them, you know, things are really complicated. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be back. Come get me if you want to.
Speaker 2: And they never did.
Speaker 1: And did they what kind of threats did they give you?
Speaker 1: Like a spiritual spiritual threats?
Speaker 2: Although the spiritual threats were the worst. You are going
Speaker 2: to go through what's called the second death. In other words,
Speaker 2: your spirit will be dissolved, wow, and it will be
Speaker 2: no longer and you in other words, you will be
Speaker 2: denied the ascension and you'll go through the second death.
Speaker 2: Hitler went through the second death. You're going to go
Speaker 2: through the second death if you don't obey all of
Speaker 2: the masters and cosmic beings that have put you here
Speaker 2: and that have told you that you needed to be here.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's guilt fear. It's all those subtle
Speaker 2: new messages. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I have to say though that Hitler and Michael Hoffman,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just generally it doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: balance argument. I think it's more of a desperate argument.
Speaker 1: At that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty desperate. It was really desperate as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact. Yeah, it was just like, oh, really,
Speaker 2: are you serious? So I just I didn't have anybody
Speaker 2: to deprogram me.
Speaker 1: You're out in the world like this.
Speaker 2: I was out there and I was still going through
Speaker 2: I had pullables, panic attacks, I had a poor thing.
Speaker 2: I had, I mean serious anxiety attacks to the point
Speaker 2: where I would almost pass out. And then I would
Speaker 2: try to regain some sort of identification with myself. As
Speaker 2: I got my old high school yearbook out and I
Speaker 2: was looking at all the times that I was really happy,
Speaker 2: and I was wondering why I was not happy. Now, well,
Speaker 2: guess what, your brain has got programmed. And slowly and
Speaker 2: surely I started to get into a sense of reidentifying
Speaker 2: myself and my true self, my previous self, and be
Speaker 2: able to emerge out of that whole. Uh, misidentification is
Speaker 2: what I like to call it, and that that best
Speaker 2: describes it was a form of dissociation. In other words,
Speaker 2: I sometimes didn't know who I was. I lost identity,
Speaker 2: my own personal identity.
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Speaker 2: Moving fast forward, in the past fifteen years, I had
Speaker 2: a transforming spiritual experience. Meantime, I'm doing all of my work.
Speaker 2: I'm going, I'm working, I'm doing consulting throughout Latin America
Speaker 2: and Europe. I worked in alcohol and drug abuse, substance
Speaker 2: prevention and treatment, and I just submerged myself in my work.
Speaker 2: And I was able to gain a sensus of sanity
Speaker 2: and groundedness when I did that. But I still wanted
Speaker 2: the answers. The answers weren't there, that were not answered
Speaker 2: when I joined the cult. I didn't have those answered.
Speaker 1: By the way, is that could still all around?
Speaker 2: It's matter, it's they're remnants of it.
Speaker 1: Very yeah, it's not. It's not what it used to be.
Speaker 2: Right, it's the leaders, the leaders dead, and there's just
Speaker 2: a few followers from what.
Speaker 1: I understand, got it, got it? Okay? Just curious?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank God for that. But in two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, I was I was asleep. I was
Speaker 2: waking up one morning, and it was that you know
Speaker 2: that dream state that you're in that you're kind of
Speaker 2: waking up, but you're not waking up, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's that data for the seven Hurts. And
Speaker 2: all of a sudden I had this incredible feeling of
Speaker 2: love and I had this feeling, this like vibrational feelings
Speaker 2: of peace of an incredible piece. And all of suddenly
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I'm not dreaming here, there's something going
Speaker 2: on here? What And I looked up and here is
Speaker 2: this being, this luminous being there standing before me with
Speaker 2: and his eyes were a violet blue. It was almost undescribable.
Speaker 2: The colors. I can't describe it other than saying it
Speaker 2: was like a violet, violet bluish. His colors were hypnotizing.
Speaker 2: And this incredible sense of unconditional love came over me,
Speaker 2: and I was so a piece that I then I
Speaker 2: thought to myself, there's some what's going on? And the
Speaker 2: first thought that came to me, now I know what
Speaker 2: the saying is, peace that passes all understanding. I'm experiencing
Speaker 2: the piece that passes all understanding. You don't really have
Speaker 2: an understanding a piece until you have that feeling of
Speaker 2: that being in that force field of energy. And this
Speaker 2: being said Michael, I, you are at the beginning of
Speaker 2: your new life. And the scene appeared in my work,
Speaker 2: and this was where I was working with high risk
Speaker 2: offenders at the time. And he said to me, your
Speaker 2: life will change after this. The past will be gone.
Speaker 2: You will no longer have to deal with the past.
Speaker 2: You will have you will have an issue with your health,
Speaker 2: but that will not impede your progress. And this is
Speaker 2: the new beginning for you. Then he said, look behind you,
Speaker 2: or look to your right.
Speaker 5: Rather.
Speaker 2: I looked to my right, and this was in the
Speaker 2: hallways of my work. Nobody was around, It was just us.
Speaker 2: He says, go to that man. And this man emerged
Speaker 2: from this disappeared, and he was a middle aged man.
Speaker 2: He said, go to him and take his hands. And
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, well, why am I, Why am
Speaker 2: I going to do that? I could take my hands,
Speaker 2: He said, take his hands. I grabbed his hands and
Speaker 2: I could smell alcohol coming off of his breath. He said,
Speaker 2: heal him, help him to heal, and heal all those
Speaker 2: you come in contact with. And from that point onward,
Speaker 2: a whole new program that I participated in completely changed
Speaker 2: the whole concept of recovery, of dealing with cognitive problems.
Speaker 2: That these offenders had tremendous issues that had catapulted them
Speaker 2: into criminal behavior. I mean, I was involved now in
Speaker 2: a program that I felt completely guided by. I was
Speaker 2: completely guided by this program to the point where I
Speaker 2: was able then to have some very viable results that
Speaker 2: helped so many people. And to this day I get
Speaker 2: letters from my promissioners who said, I don't know what
Speaker 2: happened in that class, I don't know what you did,
Speaker 2: but I feel completely changed. I feel completely transformed, and
Speaker 2: I'm not involved in criminal activities anymore. And I knew
Speaker 2: at that point that when I was involved in my
Speaker 2: cognitive behavioral work with these high risk offenders, I knew
Speaker 2: I was being guided. I knew that that was the
Speaker 2: effect of that new life, that new energy that had
Speaker 2: come in to work with me. And as a result
Speaker 2: of that, then I started to be I started to
Speaker 2: in search and I was guided to book after book
Speaker 2: after book after publication that gradually got me into the
Speaker 2: answers to the original questions that I had when I
Speaker 2: went into the cult. And at first the first major
Speaker 2: works that completely collapsed forty years of PTSD was doctor
Speaker 2: Michael Newton's Journi of Souls and his other books, and
Speaker 2: it completely collapsed all the PTSD, everything, everything that I
Speaker 2: was taught by that built completely collapsed. I was completely free,
Speaker 2: and then then I thought wow. Then I started to
Speaker 2: do some more research and more research. I went to
Speaker 2: several mediums and I was I was told that, you know,
Speaker 2: you need to write a book and you need to
Speaker 2: get this information out. And these were evidential mediums. There
Speaker 2: were evidential meetings, and that's how the Face of the
Speaker 2: Juanna came into being. And I try to summarize all
Speaker 2: of my experiences there. But you know, it's not glum
Speaker 2: and doom in that book. Really. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of funny stories in there. I mean lots of funny
Speaker 2: stories because one of the other pieces to spirituality is
Speaker 2: and I think it's overlooked a lot is that, and
Speaker 2: it's a it's a very important part of spirituality, and
Speaker 2: that is the joy that comes from laughter is one
Speaker 2: of the highest vibrational frequencies that you can be involved
Speaker 2: with the afterlife is full of laughter, full of joy,
Speaker 2: and engulf your stuff in that, and so I said,
Speaker 2: you know, I have I have so many funny stories,
Speaker 2: and that helped me, as a matter of fact, recover
Speaker 2: from my PTSD, from that whole process of you know,
Speaker 2: stories about my grandmother and I mean she was funny.
Speaker 2: She was just the funniest person. I mean, she was
Speaker 2: just incredible. So I relate the stories of my grandmother,
Speaker 2: I relate other stories. And I believe that if we
Speaker 2: laugh a little bit more and we really enjoy our
Speaker 2: laughter and we express that joy in our laughter, that
Speaker 2: just completely sends you into a whole different vibrational field
Speaker 2: that raises your vibrations. And when you raise your vibrations,
Speaker 2: you're in charge of yourself. You're in charge of being
Speaker 2: in charge of reaching your higher self. I had a
Speaker 2: past life regression, a lower life between life regressions from
Speaker 2: very wonderful Michael Newton hypnotherapist. Her name is Tyana Deanna, sir,
Speaker 2: and I what I experienced in that life between life
Speaker 2: and four hours long. It was a long long session,
Speaker 2: but it took that long to get me down to
Speaker 2: that that four to seven hurts deep into almost four
Speaker 2: zero point five hurts, which is really low almost on
Speaker 2: delta and that's the hypnogogic section of our brain. What
Speaker 2: I experienced was the following. I wasn't shown all of
Speaker 2: the my my my group, friends, or my life, my soul.
Speaker 1: Group will be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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Speaker 2: I was not shown all these wonderful and spiritual beings
Speaker 2: that are common and that Michael Newton describes. I just
Speaker 2: saw my guide and he said to me, you are
Speaker 2: going to experience something that's going to be very important.
Speaker 2: And I had made a request and I told the
Speaker 2: type Piana this before. I says, I don't want to
Speaker 2: see the cult leader. I'm not interested particularly insane my
Speaker 2: dad at this point maybe later, And I just wanted
Speaker 2: to be a healing session. And she says okay. And
Speaker 2: so my guide said, you're here for you requested to
Speaker 2: be here. So what what we're going to do is
Speaker 2: we're going to I'm going to take you through an
Speaker 2: experience that will help you heal. And there was like
Speaker 2: a barrier over here to the left, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, she said, this is what pay attention to.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen now, And I felt like arrows
Speaker 2: coming out of my etheric body, just arrows coming out
Speaker 2: and and just leaving my etheric body. And then I
Speaker 2: he telepathed your cult leader. You didn't want to see
Speaker 2: who that could the cult leader, and so we kept
Speaker 2: that from you, but we didn't keep the healing that
Speaker 2: you needed to have, and that he that cult leader
Speaker 2: is also asking you to forgive and to let go.
Speaker 2: I said, wow, and that was just incredible. And then
Speaker 2: I saw a whole group of people, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: see their faces, and they were all saying hi. And
Speaker 2: I said, I imagine that was my soule group. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But then he took me to the a
Speaker 2: glass enclosure where there was energy there. It was like
Speaker 2: you know, like in Star Wars. You see this energy
Speaker 2: and you see it, it's all like convoluted, and but
Speaker 2: if it's right, he says, this is the rest of
Speaker 2: your soul energy. And Michael Newton, in the thousands of
Speaker 2: of regressions that he's done in life and life between lives,
Speaker 2: he says, we don't bring all of our spiritual energy
Speaker 2: into incarnation. Is if we brought all our soule energy,
Speaker 2: and it would this body would not be able to
Speaker 2: support it. It would be it would just blow us up. Basically,
Speaker 2: So what we're going to emerge right now with with
Speaker 2: your soul energy. So I'm we merged and when we
Speaker 2: when I merged into this this energy, my guide was
Speaker 2: on the left. He grabbed my hand and we started
Speaker 2: growing like giants, and we grew and grew and grew
Speaker 2: and grew, and all of a sudden in the meantime,
Speaker 2: going I can't believe all this is happening. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just like, uh, you know. And I told I
Speaker 2: believe I told Diana, I said, I can't believe this
Speaker 2: is Havage says, gets go with it, just keep going
Speaker 2: with it. And we finally got to the point where
Speaker 2: we were at the maximum height of our enormity. If
Speaker 2: you are spiritual enormity, he says, this is how you
Speaker 2: connect with your higher self. You you, in meditation, see
Speaker 2: yourself and practice yourself tapping into the enormous spiritual energy
Speaker 2: that you are now. And when you do that, you
Speaker 2: tap into your higher self. And you can do this
Speaker 2: at any time that you want to do it. And
Speaker 2: my whole life changed after that. It was such a
Speaker 2: healing experience. And I know a lot of people may
Speaker 2: not understand all the nuances of this. That's why I
Speaker 2: really recommend reading doctor Michael Newton's bo and there's some
Speaker 2: other books do there. They're good. But I practiced this
Speaker 2: not only in my meditation, because I meditation, my man.
Speaker 2: Meditation is the only thing that kept me saying when
Speaker 2: I left the cult, and I know you talk Alex
Speaker 2: a lot about meditation, and this is the only thing
Speaker 2: that kept me saying. That was the only spiritual grasp
Speaker 2: that I retained after leaving. And so when I practiced
Speaker 2: my meditation to date, it's a completely different experience because
Speaker 2: I'm able to practice pultn't to practice those those those exercises,
Speaker 2: those and reach up to the highest level that I can.
Speaker 2: When you raise your bibational level, your guides or can
Speaker 2: also then communicate with you better. Because we're such a
Speaker 2: lower vibration, they have to lower their vibration and then
Speaker 2: we have to low are raise ours in order for
Speaker 2: us to meet somewhere in the middle. It's the few
Speaker 2: dogs between the eleven and eleven or the one and eleven.
Speaker 1: I always look at it like there's a big big
Speaker 1: layer of mud between us and our sended master or
Speaker 1: our spirit guides and you got to kind of dig
Speaker 1: through it with like lais your hand to the point
Speaker 1: where you can stick a finger out on the other side,
Speaker 1: and then they can come down and touch you. But
Speaker 1: they can't go into the mud, Like why would you
Speaker 1: if you're at a if you're clean, you took a shower,
Speaker 1: Like why am I gonna go down there? Like it's
Speaker 1: I can't pass that point. You've got to come up
Speaker 1: to us. We can't meet you where you're at because
Speaker 1: it doesn't benefit you at that point, and you can't
Speaker 1: even comprehend it. Someone who's that low vibration, someone like
Speaker 1: your sending your spirit guide shows up, are going to
Speaker 1: lose it. They can't. They can't process it. The vibration
Speaker 1: of that of that body is not at a place
Speaker 1: where you can process it, as opposed to like a
Speaker 1: walking master that we have today, like a you or
Speaker 1: someone like that who you just want to be in
Speaker 1: their presence because of their vibration and their aura for
Speaker 1: lack of a better.
Speaker 2: Word, exactly and yeah, there was exactly the same feeling
Speaker 2: that I had when I had that transformative spiritual experience
Speaker 2: with that being that I saw. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: could have completely caught me off guard. But that same
Speaker 2: vibrational frequency is the one that I experienced in my
Speaker 2: life between life session right and and I, and that
Speaker 2: took four hours to get to that level. So I
Speaker 2: was just amazed at what the human mind can do.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm amazed. What if when we work with our
Speaker 2: subconscious mind and we deprogram our subconscious of all those
Speaker 2: fear based beliefs, which is really my mission in life
Speaker 2: is to educate and to inform as many people as possible,
Speaker 2: then our life completely change.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I love the work that you're doing because
Speaker 1: you really focus on a fear based belief system, which
Speaker 1: is something that you are very you know, you know,
Speaker 1: associated understand and have been associated with throughout your life.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you this question, though, and people
Speaker 1: ask me this question about the trauma dramatic, which is
Speaker 1: nothing compared to what you went through. But I was
Speaker 1: in a year of insanity with a mobster. Would you
Speaker 1: change anything if you could go back? Absolutely not, that's
Speaker 1: the answer I was expecting. That's the exit because it's
Speaker 1: who you are, it's who are I.
Speaker 2: Had go through everything that I went through, and then
Speaker 2: when I found out about life planning, what were you thinking? Really,
Speaker 2: we can't.
Speaker 1: We can't. Me too, We can't. We can't understand.
Speaker 2: The last point I know is you Poul all this
Speaker 2: wrap on the plate? Really, what were you thinking? I
Speaker 2: must have been high.
Speaker 1: After you get high on the other side, I guess, so,
Speaker 1: I guess you're good. I had the universal love on
Speaker 1: the other side.
Speaker 2: That's what it was, I know, right, But you know,
Speaker 2: everything had to happen, Alex, everything in order for me
Speaker 2: to get here. Now I'm seventy four years old, and
Speaker 2: I had to go through all of those phases in
Speaker 2: order to be where I'm at and to know what
Speaker 2: I know. At this point, I know I don't know everything, obviously,
Speaker 2: but there's I've changed. I've to become trans warmed, and
Speaker 2: I am in a position to help others hopefully do
Speaker 2: And I have a get rid of some really nasty
Speaker 2: programming that they went through.
Speaker 1: As they say, the blade gets stronger the hotter, and
Speaker 1: the more pounding it takes. That's right, that's exactly right,
Speaker 1: and that's life. And if you have an easy go
Speaker 1: of it, that blade is going to break the second
Speaker 1: something comes towards you, exactly. But but it isn't it's
Speaker 1: not it's not fun to go through this. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not a fun it's not a fun thing, but
Speaker 1: it is not necessary part of growth. And I always
Speaker 1: associate it with the gym. You you know, this life
Speaker 1: is going to the gym. We'll be right back after
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Speaker 1: And you've got to pick up heavier, heavier weights. If
Speaker 1: you want to grow the muscles, to get stronger and stronger,
Speaker 1: you need resistance, you need challenge to do it. Some
Speaker 1: can just do a little cardio and they'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Others others need to tear a bicepper too.
Speaker 2: Right, exactly right, Yeah, yeah, but it's all worth it
Speaker 2: in the long run. It's all worth it. And you
Speaker 2: know what, Alex, we are We always have assistance from
Speaker 2: the other side, always, always, and it works better when
Speaker 2: you ask for the assistance too.
Speaker 1: You know what's so funny is that again? Because I
Speaker 1: get to talk to so many wonderful souls like yourself
Speaker 1: on this show. I keep seeing the patterns. I keep
Speaker 1: hearing the patterns from different people from around the world
Speaker 1: who know nothing of each other. And that last statement
Speaker 1: you said has been said to me a good twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty times in these conversations I've had, because it's like,
Speaker 1: you need to ask for help from your guides. You
Speaker 1: need to ask help from your your ancestors, or your angels,
Speaker 1: or or whoever you believe is on the other side
Speaker 1: helping you. Exactly, you have to ask for the assistance
Speaker 1: because if you don't ask for it, they are not
Speaker 1: going to impede on your free will.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Our free will is sacred, and they can inpeide
Speaker 2: on our free will. I cannot now, So do you
Speaker 2: have a contract with our guides? And we've a great
Speaker 2: in our angels, But if you want anything specifically done,
Speaker 2: you have to answer. My sister passed, my younger sister
Speaker 2: passed away to two years ago. I'm sorry, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know, spirit is practical. This is what I'm going
Speaker 2: to do. I asked my angels. I said, Angels, if
Speaker 2: y'all aren't fid to that, help me out with this.
Speaker 2: I want you to send my sister fifty yellow roses
Speaker 2: and write on the note I love you, Manita, and
Speaker 2: welcome to your new life. And then I went to
Speaker 2: a medium about that is about a year after that happened,
Speaker 2: and the medium says, what's that your sister, she's passed
Speaker 2: us on spirit side. And I said, yes, what's this
Speaker 2: about fifty flowers? And I go oh, I said, she said,
Speaker 2: you know she's saying. She said she knew it was you.
Speaker 2: She knew I mean, and this medium doesn't know me
Speaker 2: from Adam I mean. And it was just like wow,
Speaker 2: I got confirmation that she got those flowers. Spirit is
Speaker 2: very practical, and we have to understand. We can ask
Speaker 2: them to help us good airing our groceries and if
Speaker 2: they're too heavy, especially at this stage in the game,
Speaker 2: right and so, and we can do We can ask
Speaker 2: them to help us with our driving that we're in
Speaker 2: a tough situation. We can ask them to assist us
Speaker 2: in any way that we need to be assisted with.
Speaker 2: And when we know that we are being assistant, that
Speaker 2: can reinforces that and then we become closer with Spirit
Speaker 2: and closer with the other side.
Speaker 1: The analogy I always love using is this video game
Speaker 1: analogy where the player sitting and watching it on a
Speaker 1: screen is sol and the player is the avatar, which
Speaker 1: is our bodies in the game. And we take it
Speaker 1: very seriously in the game, but they're guiding us. When
Speaker 1: you ask you man can you help me with this,
Speaker 1: then you start moving the player, nudging it over towards
Speaker 1: the area where they might find that level up they're
Speaker 1: looking for, or the knowledge they're looking for, the experience
Speaker 1: they're looking for to kind of get them to where
Speaker 1: they want to be. A lot of times that nudging
Speaker 1: goes into a cave where there's a monster that you've
Speaker 1: got to fight and you have to bit and beat,
Speaker 1: and that is part of your obstacle because after you
Speaker 1: beat them, you get something called experience points and you
Speaker 1: level up. So now the next time a monster like
Speaker 1: that shows up, you could just whack them and they're
Speaker 1: done because you're that much stronger. Right these you know,
Speaker 1: these little analogies of what we are going through down here.
Speaker 1: But it's your story. Is it's heartbreaking and beautiful at
Speaker 1: the same time, William, It really is, It really is.
Speaker 1: And I do appreciate what you're doing in the world
Speaker 1: trying to turn your pain and you're suffering into and
Speaker 1: trauma into into something very positive for the world around
Speaker 1: you through your book, through the work that you've been doing.
Speaker 1: And you also, for my research, you also did after
Speaker 1: life research as well.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I'm going on ten years now what
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, tell me a little bit about your afterlife research.
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm curious about that.
Speaker 2: I've read I would say at least fifty to sixty
Speaker 2: seventy books. And when I left the cult, all right,
Speaker 2: or when I started this, I said, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to go into any type of belief system that's not
Speaker 2: evidential and that does not have a database and that
Speaker 2: is verifiable. So the resource that I've concentrated on is
Speaker 2: that which is data, which is evidence based, and that
Speaker 2: also involved, for example, the University of Arizona, University of Virginia.
Speaker 2: They're doing a lot of work in this area. There
Speaker 2: is I don't know if you ever heard of the
Speaker 2: soul phone.
Speaker 1: The soul phone, I have not, sir, Oh no, Can
Speaker 1: I get that on my Can I get that on
Speaker 1: T mobile?
Speaker 2: That will have to weigh a little longer for that one.
Speaker 2: You all had to wait a long time for that one.
Speaker 2: There is a lady in Brazil who has been working
Speaker 2: with computers and this has been evolving over decades and
Speaker 2: they are now able to establish communication with souls on
Speaker 2: the other side and get images.
Speaker 1: And why I have heard about this, Yeah, is.
Speaker 2: Her name and it is absolutely amazing. She did an
Speaker 2: experiment with fifteen parents who lost their children, and she
Speaker 2: then communicated with them with there could be her computer
Speaker 2: and in a large conference they had the fifteen parents
Speaker 2: there and as they call the name of each one
Speaker 2: of those parents, they projected the computerized image of that
Speaker 2: child compared to a real image in real life, and
Speaker 2: it was just amazing.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, and technology she's using, Like, is it
Speaker 1: a hurt things. It's obviously a frequency thing.
Speaker 2: It's apparently Nikola Tesla is involved his.
Speaker 1: Research. No, from the other side, Oh, obviously that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that sounds throughout this world, but
Speaker 2: I mean why not. I mean, it's frequency, it's energy.
Speaker 1: Well, there is in it's in it. Now that they
Speaker 1: have machines that I've heard about this that they can
Speaker 1: plug into your brain and actually see the dreams that
Speaker 1: you're dreaming, like there's a visual representation, a rough visual representation,
Speaker 1: because you're able to read the images that are being
Speaker 1: created in your mind. That's older. I mean, that's been
Speaker 1: around for a little bit and they're trying to it's
Speaker 1: it's all crazy. It's all nuts.
Speaker 2: It is, you know, it really is. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: but it's wonderful. I mean, we're we need all this
Speaker 2: information because of the shift that's coming.
Speaker 1: This is happening, The shift is happening.
Speaker 2: That's happening. Yeah, I mean, it's happening now, and the
Speaker 2: consciousness of Earth is so different now compared to even in.
Speaker 1: The fifties, ten years ago or ten years yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, fifties. That's a whole other conversation. I know,
Speaker 1: I know that is it's a whole other I mean
Speaker 1: even from my generation, which was seventies eighties, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was no convert I was raised. Yeah, and if you
Speaker 1: watch my show, you know I'm Latino, so I come.
Speaker 1: I come from a you know, a rich Latin Caribbean
Speaker 1: based belief system where they spoke about there's the Grandma
Speaker 1: or the ant that spoke or if you need a session,
Speaker 1: you could go with them, or or you need it
Speaker 1: on a limp, you know, which means a cleaning of
Speaker 1: dark energy around. I kind of grew up with that,
Speaker 1: but it was very backdoor conversations. It would have never
Speaker 1: been spoken about in public, let alone in a public
Speaker 1: forum like this where now it's not only acceptable to
Speaker 1: talk about this and becoming more acceptable on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: People are searching for this information. People want to learn
Speaker 1: this information. It's not the back door mystic shops anymore.
Speaker 1: It's it's going more and more mainstream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's words to full disclosure.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
Speaker 1: and now back to the show. Yeah, it's getting to
Speaker 1: that point where we're ne looks as near death experience shows,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, you know, and talking about channeling and
Speaker 1: talking about psychic phenomenon and all these things that were
Speaker 1: like you're crazy, And now quantum physics and spirituality are
Speaker 1: starting to to start to marry a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And there's quantum physicists who are talking about spirituality in
Speaker 1: their in their in their work, and it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's an interesting time to be alive, my friend.
Speaker 2: That's definitely absolutely Alex. You said it.
Speaker 1: You said it, So let me ask you a few questions.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a few questions. Ask all
Speaker 1: my guest, Michael, what is your definition of living a
Speaker 1: good life?
Speaker 2: Is helping people to overcome their fears and to help
Speaker 2: them understand a greater reality.
Speaker 1: What is your definition of God?
Speaker 2: Oh? That is your unconditional level.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: To grow, to learn and to ascend into a higher
Speaker 2: level and return eventually too source and.
Speaker 1: Where can people find out more about you, your book
Speaker 1: and the work that you're doing, sir, Well.
Speaker 2: It's available on this basically one is available on Amazon
Speaker 2: and people can reach me through. We have a really
Speaker 2: good group on Facebook, Freedom for Fear Based Beliefs, and
Speaker 2: I enjoy working with all our members and I would
Speaker 2: invite people to contact us through that. Also, I'm on
Speaker 2: the board of the Santa Fe Institute for Mediumship and
Speaker 2: Spiritual Studies and yeah, I can be contacted through there
Speaker 2: as well. Even though I live here in Austin, I
Speaker 2: do a lot of work with I go to Santa
Speaker 2: Fe a lot.
Speaker 1: So And do you have any final words for our audience?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 2: This is a very powerful meme that I want to
Speaker 2: read and to reflect it. I think people invite people
Speaker 2: to reflect on this. An old Eskimo chief is talking
Speaker 2: to a priest and he says, if I didn't know
Speaker 2: about God and sin, would I go to Hell? And
Speaker 2: the priest says, no, not if you did not know,
Speaker 2: And the Eskimo says, then why in the hell did
Speaker 2: you tell me.
Speaker 5: That's great and this is what we're talking about. It's
Speaker 5: just like, I mean, how many times have I heard that?
Speaker 5: Why are they telling me this stuff?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's those those fear based beliefs
Speaker 2: that need to be eradicated, maybe need to be exposed,
Speaker 2: and people need to exercise their independent risk and strength
Speaker 2: and say I'm going to do my own thinking and
Speaker 2: not let other people do my thinking for me.
Speaker 1: And I think that is the awakening that is happening
Speaker 1: right now. More and more people are starting to wake up.
Speaker 1: More and more people are starting to look inside for
Speaker 1: the answers to elevate their own vibration, to elevate their
Speaker 1: own evolution without a medium, a middleman or middle woman
Speaker 1: in these kind of fear based ideas that have been
Speaker 1: around for thousands of years, and I guess had their
Speaker 1: place in the evolution of what we were doing. But
Speaker 1: we're now at another stage of the evolution we are.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like at a certain point the horse
Speaker 1: and buggy had to go. Absolutely, at a certain point
Speaker 1: the horse and buggy had to go, so absolutely we're
Speaker 1: in another place. My friend, Thank you again for not
Speaker 1: only being on the show, but for the work you're
Speaker 1: doing in the world, and you and your bravery for
Speaker 1: telling your story and sharing your raw everything that you've
Speaker 1: gone through. My friends, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Alexis. I appreciate you as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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