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<v Speaker 1>Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the show, Michael Hoffman. How you doing, Michael?

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<v Speaker 2>Really good, Alex, thank you very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for coming on the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for sharing your remarkable life journey, which has

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<v Speaker 1>been interesting to say the least, and what you've gone through,

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<v Speaker 1>your spiritual awakenings, the trauma you've dealt with. I think

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<v Speaker 1>your story can help a lot of people listening today.

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<v Speaker 1>So my first question is about the time you were

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<v Speaker 1>in a cult, How that you opened yourself into that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never spoken to anybody who's been in a cult before,

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<v Speaker 1>so this should be fairly interesting, fairly interesting conversation, at

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<v Speaker 1>least from my point of view. So how did you start?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get kind of wrapped into this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of situation?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the next nine question, And the precursor of

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<v Speaker 2>that question is my childhood, coming from a dysfunctional alcoholic family,

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<v Speaker 2>having been abused physically, and emotionally, and then having my

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<v Speaker 2>parents' divorce, and then I was basically just starttled from

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<v Speaker 2>boarding school to boarding school, and then my mother had

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<v Speaker 2>to she We lived in Mexico, and because I was

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<v Speaker 2>born and raised there, and I felt very abandoned because

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly she had to leave because there was in danger

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<v Speaker 2>because my father was a violent alcoholic, So that as

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<v Speaker 2>a precursor left me with lots of childhood trauma. I

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<v Speaker 2>studied psychology, and I guess one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>I leaned towards that was to find out a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about how to yield myself. But apparently after

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<v Speaker 2>I graduated from university, I got attracted to this very subversive,

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<v Speaker 2>hypnotizing group of people who promised you everything in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, I was looking friends. I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>around the basic answers to life of what is this

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<v Speaker 2>all about? Why am I hereus? What are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Those were the basic ones. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>the other piece to that was I need healing. So

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<v Speaker 2>I gravitated toward these people. And thing was based upon ego,

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<v Speaker 2>you're here for a special reason. You would not come

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<v Speaker 2>in contact or would have not come into contact and

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<v Speaker 2>with us if the universe didn't want you to be here,

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<v Speaker 2>or the cosmic means or the ascended masters. So uh.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, it was a really subtle play into

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<v Speaker 2>ego you're special. And then the leader, the cult leader,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't identify him or her is simply I

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<v Speaker 2>won't even give him that that energy. Simply the cult

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<v Speaker 2>leader was saying, I have a direct connection to the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>I have direct connections to God. Of course, everything that

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<v Speaker 2>you need to know comes comes through me. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>give me your money, give me your money, come and

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<v Speaker 2>come and study with us, which I did. I gave

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<v Speaker 2>up a really good job, Alex. I mean I was

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<v Speaker 2>making really good money and.

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<v Speaker 1>This but this sounds very much of a it's an

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<v Speaker 1>old playbook. This is not a new playbook.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's no, it's really old and it's boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I oh, very very unimaginative exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like there's no imagination to whatsoever to this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just slammed dunk, thank you, ma'am, gotcham And now you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to work for us, and you're going to uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to give us your money and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to help us to spread the news of this, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to increase our numbers, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just, you know, the same old thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>trying to to sell you the world and tell you that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're going to raise thousands of years of

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<v Speaker 2>karma by being with us. By the way, obviously at

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<v Speaker 2>the time I didn't know what karma was, so they

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<v Speaker 2>have to be explained to me, and of course go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>What's really interesting so far of your story is that

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<v Speaker 1>it is it's tapping into existing belief systems that are

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<v Speaker 1>not associated like you know, karma ascended masters. These are

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<v Speaker 1>not mainstream like that Western mainstream ideas. These are all

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern ideas, but they're manipulating those ideas for their own

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<v Speaker 1>egoic benefits.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, and that have been said better. And

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<v Speaker 2>ego is one of the key ingredients to the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that uh, the leader, the call leader was just it's

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<v Speaker 2>all about what I can bring to you, and the

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<v Speaker 2>co leader was interested in money basically, but well down

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<v Speaker 2>to and I I evesdropped on one of the conversations

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<v Speaker 2>the spouses, the spouse of the leader, and the spouse said,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe this. You were you just exaggerate everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you expect people to come in here and

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<v Speaker 2>give you all this money, and then you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go Then you want to go here, and you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go there, and you want to travel all over

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<v Speaker 2>the world. I don't think that's right. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this and that whole idol came crashing down

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<v Speaker 2>and I go, oops, there's something wrong. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, I was having psychological effects because it turned

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<v Speaker 2>out that it wasn't so positive. It was nefarious. It

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<v Speaker 2>was evil. There was a programming that took place, And

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<v Speaker 2>now I understand it. As a cognitive behavioral counselor and

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<v Speaker 2>as a egen or a feedback practitioner, I understood what

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<v Speaker 2>they did. And they basically programmed all of us to

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<v Speaker 2>go down to the subconscious level accept the information and

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<v Speaker 2>these nefarious messages that were being planted. So basically what

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<v Speaker 2>they did they reprogrammed my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, not an easy feat to do. To

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<v Speaker 1>get into the subconscious and to reprogram someone, it is

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<v Speaker 1>not easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it isn't. It isn't, But I'll tell you how

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<v Speaker 2>they did it. They had us chant and chant and

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<v Speaker 2>chant and chant and chant. We did we sang, we chanted,

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<v Speaker 2>We sang, we chanted, and then the leader would come

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<v Speaker 2>in and then deliver the messages from the big cosmic

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<v Speaker 2>masters or the ascended masters or whatever, and or the saints.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it doesn't make difference who it is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>And some of these messages, we were down. We were

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<v Speaker 2>already at us lower level. Our brain waves were down

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<v Speaker 2>in the alpha, from alpha down to the theta level,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the hippnagogic regent. If you want any access

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<v Speaker 2>to your subconscious mind, go to theata that's between four

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<v Speaker 2>and seven hearts. And as a trained, certified ner feedback practitioner,

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<v Speaker 2>I suddenly realized that's how they got in. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to program all of these messages, all

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<v Speaker 2>of these and they were fear based. I mean they were.

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<v Speaker 2>It came to the point where I started dissociating. If

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<v Speaker 2>you understand what that means, my psyche my brain went

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<v Speaker 2>into an altered ego, an altered state of consciousness that

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<v Speaker 2>prevented me from being in touch with reality. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like living in a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>And I I and they had more more control over

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<v Speaker 2>me after that. But it wasn't just me, it was

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<v Speaker 2>all the other people around.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, enforcements around you. You're seeing, Oh this must be real.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at all these other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly, And so that risk reinforced all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>u states of consciousness and just really bad, bad, bad

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<v Speaker 2>psychological feelings and being I don't know why you attract

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<v Speaker 2>so many Catholics, but you do, being recovery. I I

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<v Speaker 2>got all those during Catechism and all the all the year,

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<v Speaker 2>going to go to Hell and if you fish on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday while you're the Devil's you're going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Hell and the Devil's going to and all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was pre programmed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on top of that, Hm, you're right, you

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<v Speaker 1>were right for the Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, I mean it was just like, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even believe that I did. I left out one piece

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<v Speaker 2>in my childhood. I think it's important to mention that

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<v Speaker 2>is they didn't know what to do with Michael Hoffman.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents did. My father my mother had already gone,

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<v Speaker 2>so they sent me to boarding school after boarding school,

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<v Speaker 2>and boarding school mostly in Mexico City or Puebla, and

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<v Speaker 2>then then an extended family member said, Oh, I think

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<v Speaker 2>what we'll do is, you know, there's this American priest

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<v Speaker 2>here who has an orphanage, so let's send them there. Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>So I was sent in talk about culture shock. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I was sent into these orphans. I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have fathers and mothers. They were just kids

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<v Speaker 2>that were found on the street. And it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was that was horrible in itself, and the only way

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<v Speaker 2>that I could get out of it was, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to I want to be a priest. So I started.

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<v Speaker 2>I told the priest, I said I want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to seminary because I was I was going to do

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<v Speaker 2>everything that I could get out of that place, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean anything, and that was my way out. And eventually

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<v Speaker 2>he said he doubted whether I had a vocation. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I was only like twelve years old, but they

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<v Speaker 2>take him young and and so they accepted me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was there. I didn't last long. I lasted maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a year at the most. And but all of those

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<v Speaker 2>that precursor programming was already there as a baseline, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I have this fault on top of it, reinforcing

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<v Speaker 2>it a thousandfold. All of these fear based beliefs hell

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<v Speaker 2>into the attachment, there were people who committed suicide, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing, the thing is, what is important for

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<v Speaker 2>me is to really be uh conscious of these fear

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<v Speaker 2>based beliefs that we're not challenging in our society today.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Fear based beliefs don't come from source. They come from

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<v Speaker 2>the reptilian brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why on the cover of my book, the face

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<v Speaker 2>of the iguana is the iguana with with the butterfly,

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<v Speaker 2>and the iguana represents the reptilian brain. The reptilian brain

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<v Speaker 2>is the fight flight freeze element of our our brain,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the amygdala, which really means almond and Greek.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that part of our brain that sounds the alarms,

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<v Speaker 2>the bells, and the whistles when we are about to

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<v Speaker 2>become lunch, are possibly going to become lunch, as you

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<v Speaker 2>have mentioned so many on your times on your program The.

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<v Speaker 3>Tiger and so so that that part of the brain

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<v Speaker 2>Of the parts of the various messages that I received

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<v Speaker 2>So it was just like, you know, if fear based

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<v Speaker 1>came out and spoke for the ascended Masters. The concept

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<v Speaker 1>of ascended Masters is an Eastern philosophy. It is part

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<v Speaker 1>of Eastern you know, either Hindu or Yogic philosophy, these

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<v Speaker 1>kind of things. If anyone's listening, if anyone says things

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<v Speaker 1>in regards to source, ascended Masters being a Jesus, a Buddha,

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of saint Jermain, Yogananda, whoever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>speak of, none of those messages are fear based. Not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly one is fear based. If you look into any

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ascended Master's teachings, they're all based in love,

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<v Speaker 1>based in the powers and within you. You have to remember

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<v Speaker 1>who you are. All of the strength is within you.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're not asking for cash, and they're not asking

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<v Speaker 1>for you to join and to spread my word. They're

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<v Speaker 1>the time period that they need to awaken. Could be

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<v Speaker 2>Is that absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to kind of really point that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Alex, and I thank you for also clarifying that

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<v Speaker 2>because the ascended Master's Saints, anything, any being that comes

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<v Speaker 2>from source is a is encapsulated and represents pure unconditional love,

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<v Speaker 2>correct period. And if that message and that that vibration

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<v Speaker 2>for it. And any belief system that gives you a

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<v Speaker 2>then we go back to Okay, so what about all

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible and the New Testament? And so I did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of research, and there's a lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>good researchers out there, like Elaine Pagel's for example, that

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<v Speaker 2>have discovered that the rival has been tampered with, It

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't and a lot of metaphysicians will agree

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<v Speaker 2>with me on this. They they don't believe that Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>ever came down to establish a church. He came down

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<v Speaker 2>to teach love to love one another. Yeah, and in

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<v Speaker 2>best life regressions for example from doctor Martin of doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Newton. This the whole message in the thousands and

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of past life regressions that he's done, or life

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<v Speaker 2>between lives and regressions, is the only religion in the

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<v Speaker 2>afterlife is here and additional love.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to call that a religion.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not a religion. Do you want to it's

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to hear something funny? As I was

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to a grand master the other day as you do,

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<v Speaker 1>who was in a Tibetan monastery for twenty years and

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<v Speaker 1>a martial arts master as well, and he's evolved to

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<v Speaker 1>a certain place, and I go, what was it that

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<v Speaker 1>they taught you inside of the monastery. And I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>there's these library of ancient texts that they're digging into

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<v Speaker 1>goes when you come into the monastery, that there is

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<v Speaker 1>religion is allowed to a certain extent in the monastery,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, but if you want to evolve to the

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<v Speaker 1>next level, you must leave religion behind, which I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was so powerful of a statement. And they said, what

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<v Speaker 1>do they teach you, he goes. All they do is

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<v Speaker 1>teach you techniques so you remember who you are. And

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<v Speaker 1>once you remember who you are, which pure and conditional love,

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<v Speaker 1>source energy, all that knowledge that they talk about floods

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<v Speaker 1>in because you have access to it now, because you've

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<v Speaker 1>released all the mud that you are carried around. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to bring that as a point because

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<v Speaker 1>of the concept of religion, like, oh, and don't get

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<v Speaker 1>me wrong, if anybody's on a path in religion that's

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<v Speaker 1>not fear based, it's not hurting anybody, and it's and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the way they connect to God in this life.

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<v Speaker 1>God blessed, go with God in many ways. But at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point, maybe this life made another one, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, And I think that all the all of

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<v Speaker 2>the masters, all of the great teachers have really come

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<v Speaker 2>have said the same thing. And they're saying love is

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<v Speaker 2>the basis of everything, and love is the is the

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<v Speaker 2>force of the universe. It's the it's the essence of

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<v Speaker 2>the universe. And from a physics point of view, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all of that energy that is interconnective. It's the interconnective

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<v Speaker 2>energy of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Quantum entanglement, quantum entanglement.

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<v Speaker 2>Call it what you may, and I mean physics it

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<v Speaker 2>really is. When you marriage physics with these belief systems,

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<v Speaker 2>you really physics explains how Source is that connected, that

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<v Speaker 2>universal energy that connects everything and connects us all. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you had Nancy Dennison on its wonderful, wonderful program,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really love what she said. We are all

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<v Speaker 2>strands of Source. We are strands of that ineffable, beautiful

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 2>It encompasses everything that we are uh in contact with

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<v Speaker 2>and everything that we're not in contact with. It encompasses

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<v Speaker 2>things that be there are known, and things that are

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<v Speaker 2>not known. And when you start realizing that this, this vehicle,

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<v Speaker 2>this is just a vehicle, and that we are much

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<v Speaker 2>larger than spiritually and energetically than this little, this villain,

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<v Speaker 2>this vehicle that we've adopted to run around in this dimension.

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<v Speaker 2>Once we leave the vehicle, we are just our wonderful, incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm. And so let me ask you, how did

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<v Speaker 1>you escape this scenario? This this, this, this little, this

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<v Speaker 1>little situation. You've put yourself into the the Houdini effect.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well I suddenly came up with

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<v Speaker 2>Wants money, you talk that you talk that language, and

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<v Speaker 2>they listened right. So one morning I woke up and

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<v Speaker 2>just I can't. I can't be here anymore. So I

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<v Speaker 2>came up with this plan to my grandmother. She's very rich. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with this and I said to the

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, I'm coming back with the millions and

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<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to go.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to go right away. I mean, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, really, oh now you're now, you're really

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, okay, I'm preparing myself to go and

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<v Speaker 2>most of you later. And that was how I got away.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were there was a lot of drama in

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<v Speaker 2>between that almost I almost got caught, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>Where was this base, by the way, was this space

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<v Speaker 1>in the US California? Of course, California. That's where I'm from.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course California. The best, the best, and the worst,

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<v Speaker 1>as you will, there's much there's enlightenment in there, but

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly. Yeah, if anybody would know it be you,

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<v Speaker 2>So then let.

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<v Speaker 1>Me so, all right, So you you did? You finally

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<v Speaker 2>Then they tried to hunt me down. I left for Gueranavaca,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where I grew up, and they they looked

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<v Speaker 2>for me. They contacted me. They say, Okay, when are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to come back? When are you gonna bring

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the money and all that. That's all they

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<v Speaker 2>were interested, of course, not how you're doing. How's it

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<v Speaker 2>We don't care about that. We just want you to

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<v Speaker 2>And they never did.

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<v Speaker 1>And did they what kind of threats did they give you?

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<v Speaker 1>Like a spiritual spiritual threats?

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<v Speaker 2>Although the spiritual threats were the worst. You are going

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<v Speaker 2>denied the ascension and you'll go through the second death.

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler went through the second death. You're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>through the second death if you don't obey all of

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<v Speaker 2>the masters and cosmic beings that have put you here

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's guilt fear. It's all those subtle

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to say though that Hitler and Michael Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just generally it doesn't seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>At that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was pretty desperate. It was really desperate as

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<v Speaker 1>You're out in the world like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was out there and I was still going through

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<v Speaker 2>I had pullables, panic attacks, I had a poor thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I had, I mean serious anxiety attacks to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where I would almost pass out. And then I would

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<v Speaker 2>try to regain some sort of identification with myself. As

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<v Speaker 2>I got my old high school yearbook out and I

427
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<v Speaker 2>was looking at all the times that I was really happy,

428
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<v Speaker 2>and I was wondering why I was not happy. Now, well,

429
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<v Speaker 2>guess what, your brain has got programmed. And slowly and

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<v Speaker 2>surely I started to get into a sense of reidentifying

431
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<v Speaker 2>myself and my true self, my previous self, and be

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<v Speaker 2>able to emerge out of that whole. Uh, misidentification is

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<v Speaker 2>what I like to call it, and that that best

434
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<v Speaker 2>describes it was a form of dissociation. In other words,

435
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I sometimes didn't know who I was. I lost identity,

436
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<v Speaker 2>my own personal identity.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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<v Speaker 1>and now back to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving fast forward, in the past fifteen years, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a transforming spiritual experience. Meantime, I'm doing all of my work.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going, I'm working, I'm doing consulting throughout Latin America

442
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<v Speaker 2>and Europe. I worked in alcohol and drug abuse, substance

443
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<v Speaker 2>prevention and treatment, and I just submerged myself in my work.

444
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<v Speaker 2>And I was able to gain a sensus of sanity

445
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and groundedness when I did that. But I still wanted

446
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<v Speaker 2>the answers. The answers weren't there, that were not answered

447
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 2>when I joined the cult. I didn't have those answered.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, is that could still all around?

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<v Speaker 2>It's matter, it's they're remnants of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Very yeah, it's not. It's not what it used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's the leaders, the leaders dead, and there's just

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<v Speaker 2>a few followers from what.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, got it, got it? Okay? Just curious?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank God for that. But in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine, I was I was asleep. I was

456
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 2>waking up one morning, and it was that you know

457
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<v Speaker 2>that dream state that you're in that you're kind of

458
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.480
<v Speaker 2>waking up, but you're not waking up, you know what

459
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<v Speaker 2>I mean. It's that data for the seven Hurts. And

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00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:32.440
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden I had this incredible feeling of

461
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<v Speaker 2>love and I had this feeling, this like vibrational feelings

462
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<v Speaker 2>of peace of an incredible piece. And all of suddenly

463
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<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, I'm not dreaming here, there's something going

464
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<v Speaker 2>on here? What And I looked up and here is

465
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:59.599
<v Speaker 2>this being, this luminous being there standing before me with

466
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<v Speaker 2>and his eyes were a violet blue. It was almost undescribable.

467
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<v Speaker 2>The colors. I can't describe it other than saying it

468
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 2>was like a violet, violet bluish. His colors were hypnotizing.

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<v Speaker 2>And this incredible sense of unconditional love came over me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was so a piece that I then I

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<v Speaker 2>thought to myself, there's some what's going on? And the

472
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<v Speaker 2>first thought that came to me, now I know what

473
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 2>the saying is, peace that passes all understanding. I'm experiencing

474
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the piece that passes all understanding. You don't really have

475
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>an understanding a piece until you have that feeling of

476
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 2>that being in that force field of energy. And this

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<v Speaker 2>being said Michael, I, you are at the beginning of

478
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<v Speaker 2>your new life. And the scene appeared in my work,

479
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>and this was where I was working with high risk

480
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 2>offenders at the time. And he said to me, your

481
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>life will change after this. The past will be gone.

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<v Speaker 2>You will no longer have to deal with the past.

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<v Speaker 2>You will have you will have an issue with your health,

484
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<v Speaker 2>but that will not impede your progress. And this is

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00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 2>the new beginning for you. Then he said, look behind you,

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<v Speaker 2>or look to your right.

487
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<v Speaker 5>Rather.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked to my right, and this was in the

489
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<v Speaker 2>hallways of my work. Nobody was around, It was just us.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, go to that man. And this man emerged

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<v Speaker 2>from this disappeared, and he was a middle aged man.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, go to him and take his hands. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought to myself, well, why am I, Why am

494
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I going to do that? I could take my hands,

495
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>He said, take his hands. I grabbed his hands and

496
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I could smell alcohol coming off of his breath. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>heal him, help him to heal, and heal all those

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<v Speaker 2>you come in contact with. And from that point onward,

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<v Speaker 2>a whole new program that I participated in completely changed

500
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>the whole concept of recovery, of dealing with cognitive problems.

501
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:43.800
<v Speaker 2>That these offenders had tremendous issues that had catapulted them

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<v Speaker 2>into criminal behavior. I mean, I was involved now in

503
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.639
<v Speaker 2>a program that I felt completely guided by. I was

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00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 2>completely guided by this program to the point where I

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00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>was able then to have some very viable results that

506
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 2>helped so many people. And to this day I get

507
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 2>letters from my promissioners who said, I don't know what

508
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.239
<v Speaker 2>happened in that class, I don't know what you did,

509
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>but I feel completely changed. I feel completely transformed, and

510
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not involved in criminal activities anymore. And I knew

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<v Speaker 2>at that point that when I was involved in my

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<v Speaker 2>cognitive behavioral work with these high risk offenders, I knew

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<v Speaker 2>I was being guided. I knew that that was the

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<v Speaker 2>effect of that new life, that new energy that had

515
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<v Speaker 2>come in to work with me. And as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of that, then I started to be I started to

517
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<v Speaker 2>in search and I was guided to book after book

518
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>after book after publication that gradually got me into the

519
00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>answers to the original questions that I had when I

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00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 2>went into the cult. And at first the first major

521
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 2>works that completely collapsed forty years of PTSD was doctor

522
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Michael Newton's Journi of Souls and his other books, and

523
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>it completely collapsed all the PTSD, everything, everything that I

524
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:32.400
<v Speaker 2>was taught by that built completely collapsed. I was completely free,

525
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and then then I thought wow. Then I started to

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<v Speaker 2>do some more research and more research. I went to

527
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<v Speaker 2>several mediums and I was I was told that, you know,

528
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<v Speaker 2>you need to write a book and you need to

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<v Speaker 2>get this information out. And these were evidential mediums. There

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<v Speaker 2>were evidential meetings, and that's how the Face of the

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<v Speaker 2>Juanna came into being. And I try to summarize all

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<v Speaker 2>of my experiences there. But you know, it's not glum

533
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<v Speaker 2>and doom in that book. Really. I have a lot

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00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.400
<v Speaker 2>of funny stories in there. I mean lots of funny

535
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<v Speaker 2>stories because one of the other pieces to spirituality is

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's overlooked a lot is that, and

537
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a very important part of spirituality, and

538
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that is the joy that comes from laughter is one

539
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>of the highest vibrational frequencies that you can be involved

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00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:49.119
<v Speaker 2>with the afterlife is full of laughter, full of joy,

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<v Speaker 2>and engulf your stuff in that, and so I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I have I have so many funny stories,

543
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and that helped me, as a matter of fact, recover

544
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:05.039
<v Speaker 2>from my PTSD, from that whole process of you know,

545
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 2>stories about my grandmother and I mean she was funny.

546
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<v Speaker 2>She was just the funniest person. I mean, she was

547
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 2>just incredible. So I relate the stories of my grandmother,

548
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 2>I relate other stories. And I believe that if we

549
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.719
<v Speaker 2>laugh a little bit more and we really enjoy our

550
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 2>laughter and we express that joy in our laughter, that

551
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>just completely sends you into a whole different vibrational field

552
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:39.159
<v Speaker 2>that raises your vibrations. And when you raise your vibrations,

553
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 2>you're in charge of yourself. You're in charge of being

554
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in charge of reaching your higher self. I had a

555
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:51.599
<v Speaker 2>past life regression, a lower life between life regressions from

556
00:38:53.519 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 2>very wonderful Michael Newton hypnotherapist. Her name is Tyana Deanna, sir,

557
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and I what I experienced in that life between life

558
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<v Speaker 2>and four hours long. It was a long long session,

559
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>but it took that long to get me down to

560
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<v Speaker 2>that that four to seven hurts deep into almost four

561
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 2>zero point five hurts, which is really low almost on

562
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 2>delta and that's the hypnogogic section of our brain. What

563
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<v Speaker 2>I experienced was the following. I wasn't shown all of

564
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<v Speaker 2>the my my my group, friends, or my life, my soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Group will be right back after a word from our sponsor,

566
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<v Speaker 1>and now back to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not shown all these wonderful and spiritual beings

568
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<v Speaker 2>that are common and that Michael Newton describes. I just

569
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<v Speaker 2>saw my guide and he said to me, you are

570
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<v Speaker 2>going to experience something that's going to be very important.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had made a request and I told the

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<v Speaker 2>type Piana this before. I says, I don't want to

573
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<v Speaker 2>see the cult leader. I'm not interested particularly insane my

574
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 2>dad at this point maybe later, And I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be a healing session. And she says okay. And

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<v Speaker 2>so my guide said, you're here for you requested to

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<v Speaker 2>be here. So what what we're going to do is

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to I'm going to take you through an

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<v Speaker 2>experience that will help you heal. And there was like

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<v Speaker 2>a barrier over here to the left, and all of

581
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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, she said, this is what pay attention to.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen now, And I felt like arrows

583
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<v Speaker 2>coming out of my etheric body, just arrows coming out

584
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<v Speaker 2>and and just leaving my etheric body. And then I

585
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 2>he telepathed your cult leader. You didn't want to see

586
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 2>who that could the cult leader, and so we kept

587
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>that from you, but we didn't keep the healing that

588
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>you needed to have, and that he that cult leader

589
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.239
<v Speaker 2>is also asking you to forgive and to let go.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, wow, and that was just incredible. And then

591
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<v Speaker 2>I saw a whole group of people, but I couldn't

592
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<v Speaker 2>see their faces, and they were all saying hi. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I imagine that was my soule group. I

594
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know. But then he took me to the a

595
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>glass enclosure where there was energy there. It was like

596
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like in Star Wars. You see this energy

597
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and you see it, it's all like convoluted, and but

598
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<v Speaker 2>if it's right, he says, this is the rest of

599
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<v Speaker 2>your soul energy. And Michael Newton, in the thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>of regressions that he's done in life and life between lives,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, we don't bring all of our spiritual energy

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<v Speaker 2>into incarnation. Is if we brought all our soule energy,

603
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 2>and it would this body would not be able to

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<v Speaker 2>support it. It would be it would just blow us up. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>So what we're going to emerge right now with with

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00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>your soul energy. So I'm we merged and when we

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<v Speaker 2>when I merged into this this energy, my guide was

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<v Speaker 2>on the left. He grabbed my hand and we started

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<v Speaker 2>growing like giants, and we grew and grew and grew

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<v Speaker 2>and grew, and all of a sudden in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>going I can't believe all this is happening. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like, uh, you know. And I told I

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<v Speaker 2>believe I told Diana, I said, I can't believe this

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<v Speaker 2>is Havage says, gets go with it, just keep going

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And we finally got to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>we were at the maximum height of our enormity. If

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00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 2>you are spiritual enormity, he says, this is how you

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00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 2>connect with your higher self. You you, in meditation, see

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and practice yourself tapping into the enormous spiritual energy

620
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<v Speaker 2>that you are now. And when you do that, you

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<v Speaker 2>tap into your higher self. And you can do this

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<v Speaker 2>at any time that you want to do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life changed after that. It was such a

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<v Speaker 2>healing experience. And I know a lot of people may

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00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>not understand all the nuances of this. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>really recommend reading doctor Michael Newton's bo and there's some

627
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<v Speaker 2>other books do there. They're good. But I practiced this

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<v Speaker 2>not only in my meditation, because I meditation, my man.

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<v Speaker 2>Meditation is the only thing that kept me saying when

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<v Speaker 2>I left the cult, and I know you talk Alex

631
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<v Speaker 2>a lot about meditation, and this is the only thing

632
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<v Speaker 2>that kept me saying. That was the only spiritual grasp

633
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 2>that I retained after leaving. And so when I practiced

634
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 2>my meditation to date, it's a completely different experience because

635
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm able to practice pultn't to practice those those those exercises,

636
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>those and reach up to the highest level that I can.

637
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:50.280
<v Speaker 2>When you raise your bibational level, your guides or can

638
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:55.519
<v Speaker 2>also then communicate with you better. Because we're such a

639
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>lower vibration, they have to lower their vibration and then

640
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 2>we have to low are raise ours in order for

641
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.119
<v Speaker 2>us to meet somewhere in the middle. It's the few

642
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 2>dogs between the eleven and eleven or the one and eleven.

643
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<v Speaker 1>I always look at it like there's a big big

644
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 1>layer of mud between us and our sended master or

645
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 1>our spirit guides and you got to kind of dig

646
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.480
<v Speaker 1>through it with like lais your hand to the point

647
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 1>where you can stick a finger out on the other side,

648
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>and then they can come down and touch you. But

649
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.039
<v Speaker 1>they can't go into the mud, Like why would you

650
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 1>if you're at a if you're clean, you took a shower,

651
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Like why am I gonna go down there? Like it's

652
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I can't pass that point. You've got to come up

653
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<v Speaker 1>to us. We can't meet you where you're at because

654
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't benefit you at that point, and you can't

655
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.599
<v Speaker 1>even comprehend it. Someone who's that low vibration, someone like

656
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 1>your sending your spirit guide shows up, are going to

657
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 1>lose it. They can't. They can't process it. The vibration

658
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 1>of that of that body is not at a place

659
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.719
<v Speaker 1>where you can process it, as opposed to like a

660
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>walking master that we have today, like a you or

661
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 1>someone like that who you just want to be in

662
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 1>their presence because of their vibration and their aura for

663
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:21.119
<v Speaker 1>lack of a better.

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<v Speaker 2>Word, exactly and yeah, there was exactly the same feeling

665
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.440
<v Speaker 2>that I had when I had that transformative spiritual experience

666
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 2>with that being that I saw. I mean, it was

667
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.440
<v Speaker 2>could have completely caught me off guard. But that same

668
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.719
<v Speaker 2>vibrational frequency is the one that I experienced in my

669
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.840
<v Speaker 2>life between life session right and and I, and that

670
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 2>took four hours to get to that level. So I

671
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 2>was just amazed at what the human mind can do.

672
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm amazed. What if when we work with our

673
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 2>subconscious mind and we deprogram our subconscious of all those

674
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>fear based beliefs, which is really my mission in life

675
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 2>is to educate and to inform as many people as possible,

676
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>then our life completely change.

677
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. And I love the work that you're doing because

678
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 1>you really focus on a fear based belief system, which

679
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>is something that you are very you know, you know,

680
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 1>associated understand and have been associated with throughout your life.

681
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I have to ask you this question, though, and people

682
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>ask me this question about the trauma dramatic, which is

683
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>nothing compared to what you went through. But I was

684
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>in a year of insanity with a mobster. Would you

685
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 1>change anything if you could go back? Absolutely not, that's

686
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 1>the answer I was expecting. That's the exit because it's

687
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 1>who you are, it's who are I.

688
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Had go through everything that I went through, and then

689
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:08.800
<v Speaker 2>when I found out about life planning, what were you thinking? Really,

690
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 2>we can't.

691
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 1>We can't. Me too, We can't. We can't understand.

692
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.480
<v Speaker 2>The last point I know is you Poul all this

693
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 2>wrap on the plate? Really, what were you thinking? I

694
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:21.159
<v Speaker 2>must have been high.

695
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 1>After you get high on the other side, I guess, so,

696
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're good. I had the universal love on

697
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the other side.

698
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.239
<v Speaker 2>That's what it was, I know, right, But you know,

699
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 2>everything had to happen, Alex, everything in order for me

700
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 2>to get here. Now I'm seventy four years old, and

701
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 2>I had to go through all of those phases in

702
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.159
<v Speaker 2>order to be where I'm at and to know what

703
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I know. At this point, I know I don't know everything, obviously,

704
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:01.119
<v Speaker 2>but there's I've changed. I've to become trans warmed, and

705
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.320
<v Speaker 2>I am in a position to help others hopefully do

706
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:09.559
<v Speaker 2>And I have a get rid of some really nasty

707
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>programming that they went through.

708
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.679
<v Speaker 1>As they say, the blade gets stronger the hotter, and

709
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the more pounding it takes. That's right, that's exactly right,

710
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's life. And if you have an easy go

711
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of it, that blade is going to break the second

712
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>something comes towards you, exactly. But but it isn't it's

713
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:34.000
<v Speaker 1>not it's not fun to go through this. It's not

714
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not a fun it's not a fun thing, but

715
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.519
<v Speaker 1>it is not necessary part of growth. And I always

716
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 1>associate it with the gym. You you know, this life

717
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:48.119
<v Speaker 1>is going to the gym. We'll be right back after

718
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

719
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.000
<v Speaker 1>And you've got to pick up heavier, heavier weights. If

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00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 1>you want to grow the muscles, to get stronger and stronger,

721
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 1>you need resistance, you need challenge to do it. Some

722
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>can just do a little cardio and they'll be fine.

723
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Others others need to tear a bicepper too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly right, Yeah, yeah, but it's all worth it

725
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.239
<v Speaker 2>in the long run. It's all worth it. And you

726
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:31.000
<v Speaker 2>know what, Alex, we are We always have assistance from

727
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:35.199
<v Speaker 2>the other side, always, always, and it works better when

728
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you ask for the assistance too.

729
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<v Speaker 1>You know what's so funny is that again? Because I

730
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.119
<v Speaker 1>get to talk to so many wonderful souls like yourself

731
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 1>on this show. I keep seeing the patterns. I keep

732
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:54.079
<v Speaker 1>hearing the patterns from different people from around the world

733
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 1>who know nothing of each other. And that last statement

734
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>you said has been said to me a good twenty

735
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.039
<v Speaker 1>or thirty times in these conversations I've had, because it's like,

736
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 1>you need to ask for help from your guides. You

737
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.119
<v Speaker 1>need to ask help from your your ancestors, or your angels,

738
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>or or whoever you believe is on the other side

739
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>helping you. Exactly, you have to ask for the assistance

740
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.920
<v Speaker 1>because if you don't ask for it, they are not

741
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:23.719
<v Speaker 1>going to impede on your free will.

742
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Our free will is sacred, and they can inpeide

743
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 2>on our free will. I cannot now, So do you

744
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 2>have a contract with our guides? And we've a great

745
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>in our angels, But if you want anything specifically done,

746
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>you have to answer. My sister passed, my younger sister

747
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:45.360
<v Speaker 2>passed away to two years ago. I'm sorry, and I said,

748
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, spirit is practical. This is what I'm going

749
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to do. I asked my angels. I said, Angels, if

750
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:57.320
<v Speaker 2>y'all aren't fid to that, help me out with this.

751
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I want you to send my sister fifty yellow roses

752
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 2>and write on the note I love you, Manita, and

753
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 2>welcome to your new life. And then I went to

754
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a medium about that is about a year after that happened,

755
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 2>and the medium says, what's that your sister, she's passed

756
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.440
<v Speaker 2>us on spirit side. And I said, yes, what's this

757
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:29.960
<v Speaker 2>about fifty flowers? And I go oh, I said, she said,

758
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:33.719
<v Speaker 2>you know she's saying. She said she knew it was you.

759
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 2>She knew I mean, and this medium doesn't know me

760
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 2>from Adam I mean. And it was just like wow,

761
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I got confirmation that she got those flowers. Spirit is

762
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:52.320
<v Speaker 2>very practical, and we have to understand. We can ask

763
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>them to help us good airing our groceries and if

764
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.320
<v Speaker 2>they're too heavy, especially at this stage in the game,

765
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:03.000
<v Speaker 2>right and so, and we can do We can ask

766
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 2>them to help us with our driving that we're in

767
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:10.159
<v Speaker 2>a tough situation. We can ask them to assist us

768
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 2>in any way that we need to be assisted with.

769
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<v Speaker 2>And when we know that we are being assistant, that

770
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.719
<v Speaker 2>can reinforces that and then we become closer with Spirit

771
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and closer with the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>The analogy I always love using is this video game

773
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 1>analogy where the player sitting and watching it on a

774
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 1>screen is sol and the player is the avatar, which

775
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 1>is our bodies in the game. And we take it

776
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 1>very seriously in the game, but they're guiding us. When

777
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 1>you ask you man can you help me with this,

778
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 1>then you start moving the player, nudging it over towards

779
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the area where they might find that level up they're

780
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.000
<v Speaker 1>looking for, or the knowledge they're looking for, the experience

781
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 1>they're looking for to kind of get them to where

782
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:02.440
<v Speaker 1>they want to be. A lot of times that nudging

783
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.960
<v Speaker 1>goes into a cave where there's a monster that you've

784
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 1>got to fight and you have to bit and beat,

785
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 1>and that is part of your obstacle because after you

786
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.320
<v Speaker 1>beat them, you get something called experience points and you

787
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:18.039
<v Speaker 1>level up. So now the next time a monster like

788
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 1>that shows up, you could just whack them and they're

789
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.840
<v Speaker 1>done because you're that much stronger. Right these you know,

790
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 1>these little analogies of what we are going through down here.

791
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's your story. Is it's heartbreaking and beautiful at

792
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the same time, William, It really is, It really is.

793
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 1>And I do appreciate what you're doing in the world

794
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to turn your pain and you're suffering into and

795
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:49.280
<v Speaker 1>trauma into into something very positive for the world around

796
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:51.599
<v Speaker 1>you through your book, through the work that you've been doing.

797
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.440
<v Speaker 1>And you also, for my research, you also did after

798
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:57.159
<v Speaker 1>life research as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh yeah, I'm going on ten years now what

800
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 2>is that?

801
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<v Speaker 1>So, Yeah, tell me a little bit about your afterlife research.

802
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:06.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm here, I'm curious about that.

803
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<v Speaker 2>I've read I would say at least fifty to sixty

804
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 2>seventy books. And when I left the cult, all right,

805
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 2>or when I started this, I said, I'm not going

806
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.760
<v Speaker 2>to go into any type of belief system that's not

807
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.159
<v Speaker 2>evidential and that does not have a database and that

808
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:33.280
<v Speaker 2>is verifiable. So the resource that I've concentrated on is

809
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<v Speaker 2>that which is data, which is evidence based, and that

810
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<v Speaker 2>also involved, for example, the University of Arizona, University of Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>They're doing a lot of work in this area. There

812
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<v Speaker 2>is I don't know if you ever heard of the

813
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:51.159
<v Speaker 2>soul phone.

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<v Speaker 1>The soul phone, I have not, sir, Oh no, Can

815
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:57.119
<v Speaker 1>I get that on my Can I get that on

816
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<v Speaker 1>T mobile?

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00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.159
<v Speaker 2>That will have to weigh a little longer for that one.

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00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 2>You all had to wait a long time for that one.

819
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<v Speaker 2>There is a lady in Brazil who has been working

820
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:18.360
<v Speaker 2>with computers and this has been evolving over decades and

821
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 2>they are now able to establish communication with souls on

822
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the other side and get images.

823
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<v Speaker 1>And why I have heard about this, Yeah, is.

824
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<v Speaker 2>Her name and it is absolutely amazing. She did an

825
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:47.239
<v Speaker 2>experiment with fifteen parents who lost their children, and she

826
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 2>then communicated with them with there could be her computer

827
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<v Speaker 2>and in a large conference they had the fifteen parents

828
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<v Speaker 2>there and as they call the name of each one

829
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:05.920
<v Speaker 2>of those parents, they projected the computerized image of that

830
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:10.800
<v Speaker 2>child compared to a real image in real life, and

831
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 2>it was just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I mean, and technology she's using, Like, is it

833
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a hurt things. It's obviously a frequency thing.

834
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<v Speaker 2>It's apparently Nikola Tesla is involved his.

835
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<v Speaker 1>Research. No, from the other side, Oh, obviously that makes sense.

836
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that sounds throughout this world, but

837
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<v Speaker 2>I mean why not. I mean, it's frequency, it's energy.

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00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, there is in it's in it. Now that they

839
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<v Speaker 1>have machines that I've heard about this that they can

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<v Speaker 1>plug into your brain and actually see the dreams that

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<v Speaker 1>you're dreaming, like there's a visual representation, a rough visual representation,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're able to read the images that are being

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<v Speaker 1>created in your mind. That's older. I mean, that's been

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<v Speaker 1>around for a little bit and they're trying to it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's all crazy. It's all nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, you know, it really is. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>but it's wonderful. I mean, we're we need all this

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<v Speaker 2>information because of the shift that's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>This is happening, The shift is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>That's happening. Yeah, I mean, it's happening now, and the

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness of Earth is so different now compared to even in.

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<v Speaker 1>The fifties, ten years ago or ten years yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, fifties. That's a whole other conversation. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that is it's a whole other I mean

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<v Speaker 1>even from my generation, which was seventies eighties, Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no convert I was raised. Yeah, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>watch my show, you know I'm Latino, so I come.

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<v Speaker 1>I come from a you know, a rich Latin Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>based belief system where they spoke about there's the Grandma

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<v Speaker 1>or the ant that spoke or if you need a session,

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<v Speaker 1>you could go with them, or or you need it

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<v Speaker 1>on a limp, you know, which means a cleaning of

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<v Speaker 1>dark energy around. I kind of grew up with that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was very backdoor conversations. It would have never

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<v Speaker 1>been spoken about in public, let alone in a public

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<v Speaker 1>forum like this where now it's not only acceptable to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this and becoming more acceptable on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 1>People are searching for this information. People want to learn

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<v Speaker 1>this information. It's not the back door mystic shops anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's going more and more mainstream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's words to full disclosure.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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<v Speaker 1>and now back to the show. Yeah, it's getting to

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<v Speaker 1>that point where we're ne looks as near death experience shows,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yes, you know, and talking about channeling and

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<v Speaker 1>talking about psychic phenomenon and all these things that were

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<v Speaker 1>like you're crazy, And now quantum physics and spirituality are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to to start to marry a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's quantum physicists who are talking about spirituality in

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<v Speaker 1>their in their in their work, and it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting time to be alive, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>That's definitely absolutely Alex. You said it.

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<v Speaker 1>You said it, So let me ask you a few questions.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you a few questions. Ask all

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<v Speaker 1>my guest, Michael, what is your definition of living a

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<v Speaker 1>good life?

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<v Speaker 2>Is helping people to overcome their fears and to help

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<v Speaker 2>them understand a greater reality.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your definition of God?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? That is your unconditional level.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

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<v Speaker 2>To grow, to learn and to ascend into a higher

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<v Speaker 2>level and return eventually too source and.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people find out more about you, your book

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<v Speaker 1>and the work that you're doing, sir, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's available on this basically one is available on Amazon

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<v Speaker 2>and people can reach me through. We have a really

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<v Speaker 2>good group on Facebook, Freedom for Fear Based Beliefs, and

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy working with all our members and I would

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<v Speaker 2>invite people to contact us through that. Also, I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>the board of the Santa Fe Institute for Mediumship and

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<v Speaker 2>Spiritual Studies and yeah, I can be contacted through there

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Even though I live here in Austin, I

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of work with I go to Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Fe a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So And do you have any final words for our audience?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's something.

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<v Speaker 1>This.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very powerful meme that I want to

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<v Speaker 2>read and to reflect it. I think people invite people

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<v Speaker 2>to reflect on this. An old Eskimo chief is talking

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<v Speaker 2>to a priest and he says, if I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>about God and sin, would I go to Hell? And

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<v Speaker 2>the priest says, no, not if you did not know,

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<v Speaker 2>And the Eskimo says, then why in the hell did

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me.

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<v Speaker 5>That's great and this is what we're talking about. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just like, I mean, how many times have I heard that?

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<v Speaker 5>Why are they telling me this stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's those those fear based beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>that need to be eradicated, maybe need to be exposed,

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<v Speaker 2>and people need to exercise their independent risk and strength

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<v Speaker 2>and say I'm going to do my own thinking and

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<v Speaker 2>not let other people do my thinking for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that is the awakening that is happening

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<v Speaker 1>right now. More and more people are starting to wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>More and more people are starting to look inside for

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<v Speaker 1>the answers to elevate their own vibration, to elevate their

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<v Speaker 1>own evolution without a medium, a middleman or middle woman

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<v Speaker 1>in these kind of fear based ideas that have been

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<v Speaker 1>around for thousands of years, and I guess had their

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<v Speaker 1>place in the evolution of what we were doing. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're now at another stage of the evolution we are.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's like at a certain point the horse

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<v Speaker 1>and buggy had to go. Absolutely, at a certain point

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<v Speaker 1>the horse and buggy had to go, so absolutely we're

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<v Speaker 1>in another place. My friend, Thank you again for not

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<v Speaker 1>only being on the show, but for the work you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing in the world, and you and your bravery for

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<v Speaker 1>telling your story and sharing your raw everything that you've

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<v Speaker 1>gone through. My friends, I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, Alexis. I appreciate you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

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<v Speaker 1>If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll

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