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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to That's Not Metal. We

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I your weekly rock and heavy metal podcast, and welcome

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here to an edition of Hyperblasts, where we come at

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you every Friday with short form package of news and

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releases and everything that you want to know that have

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happened over the last us seven days or so. So

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let's get into that very thing. My name is Parenthish

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with me to do this. Sam Dignon, Hi, Sam, how's.

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Speaker 2: Your week been.

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Speaker 3: I've been playing a new Resident Evil. That's literally been

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like my week. New Resident Evil came out. I've mentioned

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many a time. It's one of my favorite things ever,

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so I've been having a good time, all very scared

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playing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen lots and lots of good things. Apparently

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I didn't really seen any specific details because I don't

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keep that many tabs on it, but I've just seen

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lots of people being like, wow.

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Speaker 3: This is great, hooray, Yeah, this is this is one

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of the like Rizzio has been like really good for

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a while now, it's been on a really good run

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and this it might be the best of the sort

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of modern ones and just kind of like half the

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game is like panshittingly scary, and the other half is

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the most like insane, like you're John wicking through hordes

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of zombies. But it actually feels really good. It's it's

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like it kind of nails the two things I want

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from Resident Evil. So I've been having a lovely time

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with that. That's my video game, Tangent out the way.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about music, I guess right on, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: So we have got a few I think interesting and

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exciting album and record announcements and stuff over the next

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couple of months, and we've got some singles to go on.

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So let's get into that. First up, quite long awaited,

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I think Basement this week have finally come back with

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new stuff. They have announced their first been eight years.

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It's called Wired. That's coming out May the eighth on

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Run for Cover eight years since. Doesn't that feel crazy?

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Since the last Basement album?

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Speaker 4: Eight years since?

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Speaker 3: I started to actually get into Basement on that last album,

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like yeah, that when we say was like fucking know

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what has been like again? There is a period of

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when COVID happened in time disappeared, So that's why I

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did it for like eight years. And then you can go, oh, shit,

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now it has been that long, and I mean I've

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been seeing Basement a bunch over the few five yeah,

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really getting to the point I'm like, I do actually

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really want.

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Speaker 4: New material, so like, hey, it's finally here.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and the last Basement album I think is great.

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I also think that it has been weirdly almost like

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underrepresented by the band themselves because they have spent so

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much time like basically the entire you know, twenty twenty

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so far that they have been around, and they have

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been around a lot, right, they play Outbreak every single

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fucking year.

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Speaker 4: Every year, it's literally every other year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, around the same thing they did,

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you know, prominent support thots for not lose on big doors,

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and you know they'd be around Basement like they're not

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a rarity. But they have almost all the time during

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those years been inherently kind of looking backwards, right because

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when they play, they if not doing a full on

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Columny and Kindness anniversary set, as they have done you know,

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at least one of those occasions, but just generally you know,

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coasting on legacy, I suppose, and I think that Basement

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are one of the better bands of you know, that

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era and that generation of kind of alternative emo bands,

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whatever you want to call them. But they have again

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just not really like given you much to go on

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in recent years beyond memories of them. So I think

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it's about time. I think it's you know, this was

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the time really where we'd have to start going, Okay,

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you are around a lot, aren't you, But what are

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you really doing if they did not produce new materials.

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I think it is good finally that we have a

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new Basement coming. There's two singles that have been put

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out from it, which Ina bands on.

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Speaker 2: I do don't know.

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Speaker 1: They've got wired and broken by design, considering the Last

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Basement album is their most prominent kind of venture into

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what you might describe as like Naughty's pop emo like

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the Last Basement, and I want to say it's kind

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of underrepresented. I think it's because again people's rosy eyed

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memories of Basement are more around records like Colom and

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Kindness for example. That some of their best songs I

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think are on that last record, and they don't even

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make setlist these days, you know, But that going that

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far in that direction of that again, that's sort of

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you know, the Jimmy world kind of Well.

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Speaker 3: That's again that's why that's why the anbum where Basement

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clue for me was on the ABM where they went,

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We're going to sound like Funeral for a Friend in

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Jimmy Eat World and do that kind of thing, and

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I was like, I've got to base that. And then

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going back to the other stuff that that then fell

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into place.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that that definitely was.

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Speaker 3: Now that led more into that kind of like Naughty's

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lens that Basement have always kind of gone about, but

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where the last few a bin has been very much

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about that twenty tens emo revival sort of sound, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And the the rougher side of that that is adjacent

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to all the hardcore bands that they keep playing around with, right,

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And so looking at these two tracks that have come

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out from this advanced album as you can generally, I

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think obviously the advantage of bands where they decide to

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release two tracks as first glimpses if they tend to

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showcase different sides of an album, and I think we

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do have that here with these two songs. Neither of

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them exactly sound like where they were on their last album,

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but they do, you know again they venture into those

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like if you were to take sort of mid twenty

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tens Basement, update it to where we at in the

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twenty twenties, and then take two songs that fire into

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kind of alternative pathways of that, then that is pretty

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well represented here and as you know, a first go

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of returning Basement, if not not necessarily like absolutely blowing

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you away with a chorus the way that you know,

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let's say the lead Singleish from the last album did

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or obviously their you know, their biggest ever moments with

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the likes of c or whatever. I thought both these

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tracks were quite pleasing in the different ways that they

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move into. One really like kind of you know, impressed

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me more than the other one chair we say, but

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both I think, you know, fill their niche quite well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think this is very much like again, what if

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you people like Basement? This does kind of just cover

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the two kind of more extreme ends of like say

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a hole and a cover almost like You've kind of

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got like this album's version of that song where you

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have Got Wired. The title track is on the sort

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of like rougher, rowdier side of Basement where like again

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like they put out like a teasing a couple of

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months ago where they were like playing these songs to

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fans at festival like, oh this is really heavy, and

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them I was like, Okay, maybe you're over egging how

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heavy this song actually is. But as you know, God

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of Chorus that is like driven and kind of made

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for stage dives. And then the other song is super pretty,

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very kind of like that that pure kind of like

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delicate emo side of Basement. And so if you if

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you go go to base, those two things, these two

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songs kind of yet this album is kind of going

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to deliver that, but without it doesn't feel as much

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to be sort of fitting into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the song that jumped out of me more so,

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I guess you know, it's probably the more media of

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the two is Wired, the heavier song, and it has

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this like more sort of practice room sound. Even the

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quieter song of the two has this more sort of

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particularly vocally like it's not got lots of layers and

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harmonizing and stuff. It's pretty much just you know, the

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singer out there almost unexposed. Right again, it's almost sort

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of kind of raw practice room sort of sound. But

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on the heavy track Wired, you've also got these like

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really like rough chord ramps up in the chorus and

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that kind of thing that makes it a little bit

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more jagged and a little bit more of temperamental and

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abrasive than you would maybe sometimes expect, you know, kind

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of generally quite nice band Basement to be. And I

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thought that was again in what was like a two

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odd minute track, was you know, quite ear catching for

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as well. So yeah, I am when it comes to

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alternative rock records this year finally getting another Basement one,

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and I think certainly they're you know, the last three

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that they left off with the first time out are

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all really strong individually. It's one of the ones that

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I would be looking forward to this year. So we will,

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you know, come back to that in in May when

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that one's out. Much much sooner than that. Black Braid

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have announced that actually today this Friday, as this is

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going out, they are dropping essentially. I think you could

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Nocturnal womb As said it's out right now as you're

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listening to it. They're three tracks on it, one of

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their kind of ACOUSTICI instrumental type tracks and then two

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new songs. As we are sat here right now, we

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have one song to go and which is the one

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that they've released a video for. It's called Celestial Bloodlust.

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are too the wording they've used is too dark and

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visceral to fit on the story of Black Braid three.

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So that's the home they put out last year. I

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was quite surprised to see new Black Bread so quickly,

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but if these are songs that you know, emerge from

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that time it didn't fit it, it makes sense as

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to why we would and putting this you know, lead

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track from this on that was I mean, I listened

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to the song before I then read that quote, but

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that makes sense because you put this on and Black

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kind of band, but they can be more sort of

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long form per se. Yeah, this starts with a symbol

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choke and then just fucking straight away like oh shit,

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we are like thrashing. We have got really aggressive, like

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harsh picking the riff in this sounds like fucking like

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Marduk or like dark Funeral or something maybe, but a

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goat hale like just those really like blasty, frosty, straight

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ahead rippin nineties black metal bands like Beyond the More,

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I say, long form stuff that BlackBerry can do on

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an album and as a again a sort of non

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album track to be hit with that that was a

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in itself, even if the song itself is you know,

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it's quite familiar. It's not game changing. Having that at

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that moment wasn't for me a really cool the price.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm a bit more of like a casual

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Speaker 3: I was just kind of surprised at how immediately, like again,

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it is dark and heavy, but it's rocking at the

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same time. It's really like really like turbo charged up

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in the kind of aggression and the sort of power

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of it. Like the video is them playing live a

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bunch of fans and everyone's just kind of like.

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Speaker 1: If you watch the video, it's just people staging around them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like, yeah, that that kind of

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just fits the vibe of the song of just fucking cut. Look,

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this is that it has that like punk black metal

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kind of energy or of like some like like Midnight

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and that sort of stuff. It's got that like punk

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rawness to it. Yeah, but with I guess maybe a

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bit more of the kind of like grand that Black

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than some of those bandsy, But I think this is

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a really cool track. And I was like, I get

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two songs are kind of more in this lane, it

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these in the middle of that last album. They would

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they would they would like be cool deviation, but they

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blast of like white hot agro black metal.

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bass really starts going, and I think I do think

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sonically Black Paraid are just some of the like thickest,

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most powerful, kind of charging black metal sounds that is

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out there at the moment, Like they really have this

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kind of knack for just that like clenched fist kind

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of mite of it. And I say, getting a song

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that is just like so unrelentingly aggressive and headbanging was

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a nice little treat I didn't expect this week. I

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hope the second track is as strong as this one

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as well. But yeah, fun ep coming out this week

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for you. We also have news of a new album

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from Portrayal of Guilt which is called Beginning of the End.

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I'm not sure exactly what the you know, the meaning

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behind that title ret now would be, but that is

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going to come out on April twenty fourth. Everyone put

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in their diary. By the way, I always noticed this

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doing this show. Every year, there are certain dates where

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every single album comes out. April twenty fourth is one

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of those dates. This year, everything is coming out on

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April twenty fourth. This is another one to that list.

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But Partrayler also on Run for Cover record. Isn't it brilliant?

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Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, it's so funny that Portrayal of Guilt and

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all bands are on Run for Cover because obviously unber

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Cover is kind of like a hardcore adjacent label.

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Speaker 4: But of all of like hard codjacent band Creek Portrayal

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of Guilt.

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Speaker 3: It's a nasty ones to pick, but yeah, I'm always

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gonna be injured to see what Portrayal of Gilt are

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gonna do, because they do kind of like shift things

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about and try different tacks on album to album obviously, know, Yeah,

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it was the last one, all the more orchestral stuff,

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wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, the last one was the Devil Music album,

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which was the one that had the same songs on

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either side of the record, but on one side they

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were you know, Portrayaler Guilt, heavy sludge kind of performed,

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and the other side is these fucking evil chamber music.

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when they did Christ Fucker and every album My Friend,

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and then they can that they were like really different,

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noisy hardcore band, but they're always kind of finding new

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lanes to go down, and I think again, that's kind

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of what they're going down on this Again. It's still

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in its base kind of like sludgy hardcore, but there

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is like a bit more of like I don't know,

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an alt rock kind.

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Speaker 4: Of like thing going.

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Speaker 1: On with it, Like there's more to it than that.

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So this is another as well as Basement. There's also

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another man who about two singles from this there's Ecstasy

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and Human Terror and going from again if you if

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you want to go for the sort of chamber music

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thing that they have on devi as obviously that's you know,

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like pre modern music, right that that orchestration, everything is

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kind of drawn from going from that into evil dub.

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I think particularly on the song Ecstasy, where I can

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see where you're getting with the kind of oldntive rock thing.

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Speaker 2: There's little bits, there's.

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Speaker 3: Bits, a bit of that's just one kind of flavor

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picked up. But yeah, there's there's like I said, there's

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a load going on on these tracks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ecstasy is. But I like both tracks, but X

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is the one that really like, you know, impressed me

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of the two. Where As I say, there's this kind

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of hip hop beat essentially like in obviously that your

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guitars everything are still sludgy and heavy, but it has

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this sort of evil dub kind of hip hop sort

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of feel to the the programming of the percussion and everything.

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That's obviously it's very sort of God Flush adjacent in

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the way that they would do on their more sort

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of again like dub Inflected Records, you could throw two

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bands like you know, obviously Code Orange and stuff as well.

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Maybe that's a little bit of that alternative rock kind

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of flavor sort of you know, adjacent to that side

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as well. I'm sure you as well saw the comment

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that has been floating around the ether that's been picked

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up something like, oh no, Portrayaler, Gilt are going Code Orange.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I don't want to say, because I

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just don't give that attention to some Like I love

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hardcore core fans, we just hardcore didn't deserve Code Orange

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at this rate. Like you're all stupid if.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely think that the response to a couple of

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years down the line now, the response to what Code

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Orange kind of went on, has made me actively disinterested

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in what hardcore fans have to say, and like it's

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made me discredit the hardcore community's opinions so heavily, where

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like if things are being gassed up, because genuinely you

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have to kind of you have to look for bands

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who are being creative but not too creative, else people

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will fucking like reject it, and it's if bands are

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being gassed up by the hardcore world. Now I go, okay,

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are you actually good or are you like just good

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and interesting enough that you've not upset anyone?

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Speaker 2: Like it's genuinely.

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Speaker 1: It's made me actively dislike the world of hardcore more

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for how are they responded to some of the type

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of things. And just like again, if if a band

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like Portrayal of Guilt, who already flit around genres and

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styles so heavily introducing a bit of kind of industrial

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and you know, like this, this heavier, almost hip hop

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at times inspired sound makes you fucking wary, Like these

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are people who you would show an actual godflesh that

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happened to and they would just shit the bed like

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fucking losers, the lot of them. This is cool, This

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is a really really cool move that I would also

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be automatically interested in new Portrayal of Gilt, but hearing

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this as the first taste of it has picked my

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ears up even more so from sort of the default state.

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I'm very curious now yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I remember, say Magan, I'm kind of just tuned

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to like go with what Portrayal of Gil do. But again,

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just as a complete different lane from where they were

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with this change of music orchestral stuff. It's just kind

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of go like, yeah, you are a really fearless band,

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and I really appreciate that about them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so looking forward to that new record that's coming

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on April the twenty fourth, Fire Run for Cover Records.

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If you, of course, are needing more in the way

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of shady dance beats and all that kind of thing,

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then Nine Its Nails this week, of course, dropped a

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sort of surprise remix release. It's based around the tron

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Ares album that they put out last year, but it's

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full of again additional tracks and reworkings and that kind

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of thing, which now it Nails. Whenever they do a project,

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basically you are likely to get some sort of feast

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of extras and stuff like that down the line. The

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ARCA remix of as a Live as You Do Need

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to Be is like a really cool, almost like sort

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of chill like the aftermath of the crazy club scene

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or whatever that you would imagine the original version of

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that song to be. It's very very cool. We also

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have news that Zachy Vengeance from Even Sevenfold Zachary Baker

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as his you know, real credited name for this album

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will be is going to be putting out a sort

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of dark country styled solo album later in the ear,

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which is one of those things where this is so

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sort of common now and so like so many artists

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have done this that there's no like question really of

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what this will sound like. It's just do you like

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Zachy Vengeance. Hopefully he's good at writing some acoustic songs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Avenge, You've always kind of like, there's been

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no avengtions that I've dabbled in that kind of like

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some off So I imagine that there's kind of like

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some thru line to it. So I'm sure fans of

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Fold will probably get something to like here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it'll be fine. And maybe it'll also

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have crazy daft punk detours because that would be really

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really amusing with the if. Also, there were also the

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plastic daisies emerging all over Zachi Venders's country album.

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Speaker 2: But there you go.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to festival news, and we are going

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to go to of course two thousand trees, who have

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I think is this the complete lineup?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 4: Yes, they've said this is the full lineup.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Well, there you go I'm going to say they've

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added the final headliners, but in that case they've added

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final everything. The final headliner added for the final day

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of the festival the Saturday, is neck Deep, and there

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are also additional bands added onto it, including Sunny Deale

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real Estate, quite nice and prominent there on one of

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these days, Logo Wise, Higher Power, a Black Era, Mouth Culture,

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Mallory Knox, The excerpts a bunch more bands as well.

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Let's go to next obviously as the headliner. The three

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headliners of two thousand Trees being Alkaline Trio, if you

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and for a friend and neck Deep, that is I

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think a like we said a couple of times, maybe

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there's not a lot of sort of you know, mad

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surprise factor or whatever to that, But you don't necessarily

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have to have that as three like strong solid headliners.

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I mean that would that was three bands that if

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I was present, I would, you know, go and watch

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and hope.

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Speaker 3: You would enjoy every two thousand Trees headliner there. That's

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like a sort of a bit of like an outline

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for you. Isn't it to have like all of them

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be one?

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Speaker 4: You'd be into?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the years that I've been to two thousand trees,

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that hasn't been necessarily true. So this is like as

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a trio, I think that's what an alkaline tree, if

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you will. But then plus more's pretty strong.

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Speaker 3: Like I can't believe I hadn't ever considered neck Deep

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as a potential two thousand trees headliners.

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Speaker 4: Like a fucking course, Neckti for two thousand you said

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that is like one of the most no brainer picks.

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Speaker 1: And like apparently haven't played it in a decade, which

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is maybe that's why you haven't had that fall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's it.

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Speaker 3: But I was like, I was like, yeah, of course

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neck Deep like that to me. Again, there isn't like

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a let live into Alex on fire. Holy shit, that's

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like one of the best nights that you can have

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on there. But yeah, I look at that like it's

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still really strong, like three really like rock solid headliners.

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That will be good times for people who go to

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two thousand Trees. Then you go down the lap and

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like again there's sort of the font bands a lot

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of the days are really strong, like there's very few

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on the sort of the font bandages are kind of like,

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oh that that's a bit weak, Like it's nicely like

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you said, like Dinosaur pile up and the excerpts and

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all all on the Saturday Glass or high visim Marmsets

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is kind of like an immediate.

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Speaker 4: Wrung below neck deep like that.

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Speaker 3: If that is like your top of your main stage

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on that day, you're having a good old time there.

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I think this is, like I say, it's not maybe

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the most like revolutionary two thousand Trees on it, but

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in terms of just like knowing their audience and booking

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a strong, just good time festival for that audience, I

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think they've smashed out of the park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that is your complete list of two thousand Trees

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headliners for this year. There's been some news and updates

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about the Twisted Sister fiftieth anniversary planned reunion shows, which

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last thing we heard of that is they were, you know,

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up in the air as to if they would be

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happening or not, because Dee Snyder completely pulled out of

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it for health rated reasons, and you would naturally assume

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that no d Snyder means a Twisted Sister aren't going

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to come back. But as it happens, for at least

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some of these shows, Twist's Sister have announced that they

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are going to be bringing in none other than Sebastian

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Buck of course, a former singer of skid Row. And

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it's not Twisted Sister as you know it right, Like,

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when you go and see Twisted Sister, you're gonna probably

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going to want to see d Snyder because like he

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is so central to the character of that band. And

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in terms of I mean, I'm really glad that I

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you know, I got my one time seeing Twisted Sister

476
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,640
on their you know, last run out the first time.

477
00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:52,799
So is this exactly Twist's Sister as you know, as

478
00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:53,359
we say.

479
00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:57,839
Speaker 2: No, but it's a pretty good time.

480
00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: I would imagine like if you if you have to

481
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,519
go and do these anniversary things, not as a you know,

482
00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:07,079
full time coming back, but if you're just doing a

483
00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:10,039
run just to kind of go, hey, let's have a party,

484
00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:12,880
you might as well get a singer of, you know,

485
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,799
one of the other best bands of that era and

486
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,119
sort of lane of band.

487
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like obviously the big thing is like

488
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,559
D Snyder is such a like maybe one of the

489
00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:26,880
biggest large in life characters that you could ever have

490
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,160
as a rock vocalist, like, and that is so kind

491
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,279
of central to what when I think of Twisted Sister,

492
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,640
like sometimes I come of picture the other band members.

493
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,200
I just kind of picture d Snyder because he is

494
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,039
just that sort of a magnetic persona. But you know,

495
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,519
Smashing Buck is like as good a substitute as you

496
00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:47,319
can probably find in this situation.

497
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 4: And that you you know, if you're gonna go along

498
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,759
and watch Spashing Back sing a bunch of Twisted Sister songs,

499
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,400
that's a good night out.

500
00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: You you like, you're not gonna have a bad time

501
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720
watching that, even if you kind of go it's not

502
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:01,839
Twisted Sister, because it's not you know, D Snyder bound out.

503
00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 4: We're not gonna take it.

504
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: But I'm like I said, I think if they if

505
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,960
they are doing this in a version of it's okay

506
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,480
of every member like this is gonna give the usson

507
00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:10,319
like go ahead without me on this one, do it

508
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,799
because do the celebration, then I think, like, yeah, why

509
00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:15,160
not go and have a good time with spatshing.

510
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, someone our discord sumed it up

511
00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:19,680
quite well, just saying like it's just old people having fun.

512
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,079
Speaker 2: Who cares? And yeah, fair enough, let the man fun.

513
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,799
Speaker 1: So that is the current fate of the tsis anniversary shows,

514
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,359
a few tour announcements. We're gonna first of all go

515
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,160
to the other side of the Atlantic, just because this

516
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,160
kind of caught my eye. Killswitch Engage have announced a

517
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,400
US run and the support acts are machine Head, Iron

518
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,640
Reagan and Havoc, So overall pretty metal bill, right like

519
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,119
going out to say, obviously, big fucking bands kill switching

520
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,160
machine here with you know, Iron Reagan who have only

521
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,119
just returned as well, and Havoc then yeah, thrash metal.

522
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,599
The thing that got to me about this is seeing

523
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,519
machine Head, not even this isn't a co headline. This

524
00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,599
is machine Head build with a small all a logo

525
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,000
under Killswitch Engage, and I was like, that's that's a

526
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,000
mad thing. Isn't that's a switch because I always assumed

527
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,599
that at the very least there'll be co headlining here

528
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,920
in the UK it tends to be machine Head, who

529
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,960
would be the bigger drawer and bigger ticket seller of

530
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,039
those two bands. But in the US, I imagine, you know,

531
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,440
both legendary bands are co headline. Sure, apparently machine Head

532
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,000
just aren't very big in the usually.

533
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,559
Speaker 4: Of those things.

534
00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:27,799
Speaker 3: I've always noticed that they aren't that they're kind of

535
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,599
biggest or drawers in that the UK and Europe for

536
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,720
the machine Head. But I I too, I just I

537
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,039
was like to be I thought kills Yous were kind

538
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:36,960
of in that simme situation of you know, they'll play

539
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,640
the decent size like theater venues in America.

540
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 4: I thought that that's.

541
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,599
Speaker 3: Where like these bands, but machine Head, like the coast is,

542
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,359
they are like trivium in that regard.

543
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: Now where they just they're.

544
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: Not unpot from the s, but they are not the

545
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,519
drawer that they are over here. So yeah, I right,

546
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:54,920
this is me would have made sense. This would have

547
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,039
been like a perfectly sort of logical co headliner machine

548
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:01,640
Head and Killswitch. It always like I was like, oh yeah,

549
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,440
machine that their popularity isn't kind of what you in

550
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,880
nessially expected to And again I kind of was like,

551
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,519
is this why they made that last album just being

552
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:12,559
the most kind of like US Radio, kind of like

553
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,000
Dirge than it Is to try and kind of like

554
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,119
rebuild their sort.

555
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: Of platform over there because it like that.

556
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a bit of a cynical jab for me

557
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,279
because I was trying to just justify the reasons that

558
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:23,759
machine would make those decision.

559
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: They made on that last album.

560
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: But it is just like odd to sort of see

561
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,839
them playing sort of second fideld to a band you

562
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,960
imagine they are like surely would have been on par

563
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,160
with Yeah.

564
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, because they are.

565
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: I said, in Europe they are like certified festival headliners.

566
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:40,680
Obviously they'll do they'll do Bloodstock here they can do

567
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,680
much bigger than that in mainland Europe, Like they are

568
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,160
total fucking like Vakan festival type legends and for the

569
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,079
but the idea that that isn't true in their actual

570
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,519
home country. It's just like really alien to me. And

571
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,319
like We've got a question later on about sort of

572
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,839
generational fadeouts and stuff like that, and maybe Killswitch have

573
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,920
a of you know, metalcore nostalgia kind of you know,

574
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,240
sort of legacy status from just how popular metal core

575
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,480
still is kind of with them, And I was thinking,

576
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:16,119
do you think anyone born after two thousand, certainly like

577
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,279
two thousand and five, do they care about the Blackening?

578
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,960
Because the Blackening is so legendary to our generation role

579
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:28,880
we remember it so fondly as like basically like the

580
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,160
benchmark modern heavy metal album. And you know at the

581
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,480
time that we would have got the Blackening it was

582
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:37,559
like twenty years or whatever since the likes of you know,

583
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,160
Master of Puppets and all the type of records, and

584
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,039
we still went back and got those. But the the

585
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,720
you know, the current generation coming into the modern crop

586
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,000
of bands, maybe you know, hopefully a lot of them

587
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,759
do have reason to go in and find kill Switch

588
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:50,400
and Trivia and these that bands who are still around.

589
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,200
But I were thinking, do under twenty five year olds

590
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,839
care about The Blackening? Do they see that as a

591
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,839
like notable record and maybe not.

592
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 4: I think they only care about Burn My Eyes.

593
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,319
Speaker 3: I know, I know from that in hardcore, like younger

594
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:07,440
harg fans they like Burn my Eyes.

595
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like like Davidian, you know, like a load.

596
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: Of Harkavans cover Davidian. Yeah, that's the thing. But you're right,

597
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:20,799
the Blackening that like monumental modern metal classic it I

598
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,079
don't think it has much clout with sort of and well,

599
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,480
again this is speculation, we could be toking. I just

600
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,559
know the fact that when I see sort of younger

601
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:31,880
like music circles I operate in, they only really go

602
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:33,000
for Burn my Eyes.

603
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

604
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that because it is it's a

605
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,640
legendary seminal record, and I don't think it's moving from

606
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,279
that in what I would like to consider the objective

607
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:42,960
use of the word if that if we can have

608
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,119
such a thing. But I do think in terms of

609
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,559
generational popularity, I think it has kind of been phased out.

610
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,519
And when was the again, when's the cutoff or when

611
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,720
machine Head kind of factor into the question. I don't know,

612
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,079
midlife crisis questions, but this is all spurred on from

613
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,319
a combination of qu that we had later and seeing

614
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:05,799
machine Head supporting under Killswitch engage. Also just similar America

615
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:08,359
in this one, Whitechapel have announced a run of like

616
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,240
headline shows. I'm not sure what they're doing around this,

617
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,480
but they've got kind of a sort of little weird

618
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,240
string of like individual headline shows in various cities around

619
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,000
the US with.

620
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: Individual support acts.

621
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,279
Speaker 1: And the first one of the things that I saw

622
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,079
is because it was shared by the support Act on

623
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,440
social media, where of course follow them. Inter Arma supporting

624
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:29,480
Whitechapel in Norfolk, Virginia put that in the real Norfolk

625
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:30,680
and I'd be tempted to go.

626
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: Fair Fox, so like Whitechapel bringing out inter Ama because that,

627
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,720
like again Whiteple, I have kind of graduated him being

628
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,920
that kind of just like big kind of where they

629
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,839
probably can afford to like take more out of things.

630
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:44,200
And I imagine some of the members of White Cheople

631
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,680
probably are down to bringing something a bit more avant

632
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,480
garden out there.

633
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,599
Speaker 4: I just wanted the people who are like the White Fans,

634
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,279
who you know, are a.

635
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: Bit more octane pilled because there is a their family

636
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,160
like that. Them having to watch into armor is sort

637
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,440
of a fascinating thing to me.

638
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,119
Speaker 1: I just want to know how this happened. Who reached

639
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,119
out to who, like did Whitechapel Maybe there is someone

640
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400
specifically in Whitechapel who fucking loves New Heaven, in which case,

641
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,039
like salutes to whoever that is, of course, But did

642
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,920
they just go we need a who's available in Virginia?

643
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,640
Which is I think you know where I Who's available

644
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,519
in Norfolk, Virginia with Interronma were like us, I guess

645
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,440
who book. This is so bizarre, but it does look

646
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,680
really good if you fall into that unlikely ven diagram

647
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,160
of we we are we we.

648
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 4: Land on that men diagram. Now, Yeah, like I said.

649
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: If I was in you know, remotely in the area,

650
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,839
I would go that looks awesome, but the most I

651
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,960
did a double take of support apps this week, that's

652
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,839
for sure. Black over here Nuova Testamento are running doing

653
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,680
a EU and UK tour in May and they are

654
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680
arriving in the UK in June. They're playing London, Liverpool,

655
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,279
Manchester and Glasgow here. I think that band have become

656
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,119
increasingly popular in like actual heavy music sphere despite just

657
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,079
being an a disco pop band.

658
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: But if you want to go see.

659
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,319
Speaker 3: Lining a hardcore festival in Italy, like as in Italy,

660
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:07,960
they're the headliners on it.

661
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,119
Speaker 4: Now, that's that's the kind of like they've got Italian cred.

662
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: Like everything's on the poster, is that Venezia hardcore?

663
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: Like whoa like they are.

664
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,599
Speaker 3: That's a hardcore fest like a Day's or like a

665
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,559
really small one, but they're the headliners. I'm like, that's

666
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,079
so fucking cool that this eighties gonna disco like pop

667
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,559
band are just like so respected hard so now that

668
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:28,839
they can headline the festivals.

669
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, go see over Testamento when they come through near you.

670
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:34,200
That band are fucking great. I was curious if you

671
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:38,240
had any response to this Rise and Fall, the Belgian

672
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,319
hardcore band from the noughties primarily a band who feature

673
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,160
you know, as you would imagine in the Belgian hardcore scene.

674
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,359
They have connections to like some of oath Breaker members

675
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,920
gone and been in either of these type bands. Rise

676
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,680
and Fall have not been a band for like fifteen

677
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,359
years or something, and they've randomly be announced to be

678
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,559
playing a show in November in Ghent. Of course, in

679
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,119
Belgium are even any dalliant sort of Rise and Fall.

680
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,519
Obviously this is the conveyor belt of endless article bands

681
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,039
going away and coming back and stuff. But there's a

682
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,319
bit of excitement that Rise and Fall back.

683
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're never I've definitely had a few tracks for

684
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:09,480
but I've never kind of gone deep in. But I

685
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,440
was I was like, oh, yeah, this is another just

686
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,440
kind of like veteran hardcore band because they're all just

687
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,359
all coming back for shows.

688
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:15,559
Speaker 4: Now.

689
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: Is this going to go beyond you know, playing showing

690
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,079
again in Belgium. I don't know, but I think it's

691
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,160
still pretty cool. So so see those guys get back

692
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,559
together and you're like, ah, let's just like rip it

693
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:24,640
out at least one more time.

694
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And significant news I think came from the Godflesh

695
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,720
camp specifically of course, justin Broadrick, the frontman, primary sort

696
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,279
of mastermind behind Godflesh, he has announced that he recently

697
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:42,119
underwent surgery to remove a hernia, and if he is

698
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,000
to kind of scream and perform with Godflesh the way

699
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,160
that he does, then he is at risk of essentially

700
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,839
blowing out his abdominantle wall. And because of that effective

701
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,519
immediately Godflesh has retired from the live environment. He also

702
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,720
seems to have some kind of plans about bringing the

703
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,799
overall project to a whole on a sort of a schedule,

704
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,240
I suppose, because he says that he's currently you know,

705
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,200
basically completed work on the penultimate Godflesh album, with a

706
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,640
final one to come as essentially been sort of written

707
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,839
by this point as well.

708
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,559
Speaker 2: So it does look like the.

709
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Recorded works of Godflesh are going to be coming to

710
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,799
an end within again the sort of the next year

711
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,000
or so, perhaps, but certainly right now. Immediately Godflesh the

712
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:29,000
live entity is done, and this is one of those

713
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,160
moments where I think there is some pause for reflection

714
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,200
because Goldflesh, well one of those bands like Napalm Death,

715
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,680
like Trip to com whatever, where you could go and

716
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,720
see the ogs essentially of like their brand of heaviness,

717
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,119
like we were literally talking about Portrayaler Guilt earlier, and

718
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:53,039
how continually influential these sort of hard, heavy industrial sounds

719
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,519
in heavy music can be. And Goldflesh where o case,

720
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:56,880
Like I said, there's other bands I mentioned where you

721
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,759
could go and see them today and still be like

722
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,640
fucking hell, like this is so heavy, you are so

723
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,599
destructive still and uh did you see the was it

724
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,920
Damnation twenty two or three? Whatever?

725
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: Never got to see Godflesh, And it's because because they

726
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:15,319
were about so often.

727
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, catch him at some point, yeah,

728
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:19,000
and now.

729
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,279
Speaker 3: This has hit me And I was like, ah, fuck

730
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,119
like that like that that that's just it, because they

731
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,319
were like god Fleshers pop up on random shows, that's

732
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:27,799
what they just would do. So I was like, I

733
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,599
will catch them at some point and I said, I

734
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,119
was like, ah, this one really sucks. And again like

735
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,799
don't blame him one bit, like when you see like

736
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,759
the like because again how heavy Godflesh, how intense. Yeah,

737
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,680
his performances are like yeah, if he's had that honeymoon

738
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,920
and it's gonna like weaken the air of his body

739
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,960
stop like look after itself and and do you've got to.

740
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: Do, but it does.

741
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,759
Speaker 3: It's still just like, ah, I've fucking missed my opportunity

742
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,920
by just kind of assuming taking it for granted that

743
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,319
they were kind of just always popping up.

744
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there certainly you know that that's a word Leicester,

745
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,319
I think lots was gonna apply to many such cases.

746
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:03,640
I was thinking whether you were there for the last

747
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,359
time they played Damnation, which must have been like the

748
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,199
year before you started. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it was

749
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,320
the year that you know, Godflesh performed Straight Cleaner at

750
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,199
the Gates perform slot of the Soul which there's another

751
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,440
band obviously who were not with us in the same

752
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,280
shape or form, Converged play Jane Doe.

753
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,639
Speaker 2: That year.

754
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: That's the last time I saw Godflesh. Unfortunately, it was

755
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,320
when Godflesh is Set was the one that like majorly

756
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,920
got kind of undercut by a lot of technical issues.

757
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,199
So it's unfortunately that's the last time I saw them.

758
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,320
But my last kind of prevailing memory of Godflesh life

759
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,679
will be the year before that when they played the

760
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,159
final year in Leeds at Damnation and they fucking stole

761
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,559
the weekend, like everyone was just talking about, oh my God,

762
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:42,559
did you see Godflesh.

763
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: They were just like so.

764
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: Oppressively nightmareish heavy, like everyone walking out with fucking like

765
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,000
nosebleeds and banging headaches, being like Jesus Christ and I

766
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,880
saw Godflesh. I think about four times, like in between

767
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,119
the you know, the kind of the first reunion album

768
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,679
coming out and then now we know within the last

769
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,800
like ten years or so, and aside from again the

770
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,480
the you know, not really their fault stuff that went

771
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,480
on with that last appearance, they were always just like

772
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,360
properly as a destructive like you could feel It's one

773
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,239
of those bands where you could feel like the masonry

774
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,719
of the building yourself surrounded by just quivering under the

775
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,960
weight of it. And again now that that is a

776
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,639
phenomenon that is, you know, put up on the shelf.

777
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:26,079
Speaker 2: Now I do.

778
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: I treasure that, and I feel lucky to have kind

779
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,159
of have been started going to extreme metal shows and

780
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,719
stuff like that around the time that a reactivated Goldflesh

781
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,079
was around, because, like we were saying earlier, some of

782
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:37,480
these bands and I think we will continue to do

783
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,039
it for years to come. Golflash so absolutely pioneering and legendary,

784
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,960
and I guess you know, certainly when it comes to

785
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,840
the recorded output in the studio things, there's absolute a

786
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,559
timeline of when that is coming to an end. We'll

787
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,920
keep tabs on it for sure. I guess it's I'm

788
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,360
not necessarily surprise. Obviously it's been hastened by you know,

789
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:02,760
a particular health that's that's called time on it. But

790
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,920
I think bands like Goldflesh are they're naturally going to

791
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,559
come to an end.

792
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can't do that, Yeah, say like that

793
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,840
level of like visceral, like devastating performance as long as

794
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920
some bands who aren't doing that, So I can keep

795
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,760
dying exactly.

796
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: So it's going to happen sooner or later.

797
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: But if this is the moment for certainly the live

798
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,960
version of it, then just absolute hats off to Justin Broader.

799
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,679
It one of the greatest, one of the most integral,

800
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,639
Like the entire timeline of extreme and heavy music looks

801
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:35,559
different without the works of that man. And that's not

802
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,159
just limited to Goldflesh, but Goldflesh as perhaps the most

803
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,880
synonymous with his name outfit out there.

804
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: Just one of the absolute greats.

805
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: So all the love in the world to the fucking

806
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,920
legend that is just In Broadery and if you got

807
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,639
to see golf Flesh, then treasure those memories because they

808
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,480
were they were something else. So yeah, Goldflesh. Let's have

809
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:57,920
some questions right now as we move on to Marcus

810
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,559
Franz is gonna kick us off. All of these questions

811
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,840
come from the That's Not Metal forum over on Facebook.

812
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,559
We don't have questions every single episode, but when we

813
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,800
feel the time is right for them and you've recharged

814
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,320
them enough, we go back over there and when we

815
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,360
grab them. This question I think was put in there

816
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,880
like a couple of weeks ago, and I just banked

817
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,360
it because I thought it was interesting. Marcus Franz asked,

818
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,239
if you could only listen to music from one city

819
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,559
for the rest of your life, which would it be

820
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,519
and why I was.

821
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 3: This is one that I found like weirdly difficult to

822
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,719
kind of actually mmm because I was like, oh, no,

823
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,920
that's a state and they're from all different cities within

824
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,320
that state.

825
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 4: Because so many of my favorite bands are.

826
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: All from different cities in Pennsylvania that I could have

827
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,400
quite easily said Likenvania because I could go code Orange,

828
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,960
the Mensingers, The Wonder Is like.

829
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,199
Speaker 4: All of that sort of stuff. I was like, fuck

830
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,039
I can't, I like.

831
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,199
Speaker 3: And then you go like California Punk where again that

832
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,719
California state, so again like you trying to narrow it

833
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,159
down to that.

834
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean, like La, I'm sure has loads individuals like.

835
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,599
Speaker 4: You probably could say that like the.

836
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: Probably Cisco Bay area, you know.

837
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I had to point down like part was like,

838
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,840
I could be basically like I could just happily listen

839
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,960
to a load of New York hardcore. You know, I

840
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,400
could just live off mad Born, sick of it all,

841
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:08,639
an agnostic front.

842
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,039
Speaker 4: I can. I can ride that out if I really

843
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:11,360
had to.

844
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,159
Speaker 3: I'm like, but there was like New Jerseys just across

845
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,039
from New York, And what if New Jersey?

846
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 4: Who do I lose? I lose Bruce Springs.

847
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,679
Speaker 3: Like it's like if it's a stakes, it would be

848
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,519
like I'd have more watchs, but like cities because it

849
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,159
just narrows it down. But I probably would just like

850
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,880
I'd probably just be like I like I said, I'd

851
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,880
be content with like New York hardcore. And there's other

852
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,679
cool New York sort of music that kind of like

853
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:36,760
delve into because New York has this like incredible music

854
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,000
kind of like Underbelly that goes on.

855
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,519
Speaker 1: I think New York is probably a top three answer because,

856
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,519
as he said, you gravitate strats to the hardcore, which

857
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,440
of course you know you do. I would like less

858
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,599
we forget. You get Imperial Triumphant.

859
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,679
Speaker 4: Exactly like that. I get that. I'm cool with them now.

860
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,679
Speaker 3: I'll happily have that as part of my like soundaries

861
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,360
in between mad and agnostic front.

862
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,199
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, obviously you know the New York just musical

863
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,760
lineage is for huge, right, all of the punk bands

864
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,920
you get kiss and you know, New York doles and

865
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,920
fucking all of like I mean the New York jazz scene,

866
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:10,639
like endless stuff coming out New Yors. I think New

867
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:12,760
York across because what you want here is breadth, right,

868
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,679
You want lots of you know, different kinds of things

869
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:18,960
all gathered in one place so that you can kind

870
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,800
of as much as you can fit as many moods

871
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,800
as you can using just the one area. And like

872
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,360
there are certain cities and stuff that have like particular

873
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,360
scenes that I love, of course, Like particularly if I

874
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,000
look at a lot of Scandinavian places, like you know,

875
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:36,280
Stockholm and Gothenburg and like Uppsala in Sweden, and then

876
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,079
obviously like Oslo and Bergen and these type places. But

877
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:41,480
I think, and I don't know if this is me

878
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,039
just maybe being a little too patriotic or whatever, I

879
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,880
genuinely think the answer I would take is London because

880
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:52,400
in terms of breadth of stuff, like you were saying,

881
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,519
you go to America, and aside from maybe a prominent

882
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,000
one like a New York, you take the totality of

883
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,599
America or even large US states and you can really

884
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,039
like put together an incredible be like.

885
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, like cities, it's so spread.

886
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: But then you take it specifically London and I get

887
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,559
Iron Maiden, Motorhead, led Zeppelin, who I ever thought were

888
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,239
a black country band, but apparently they kind of got

889
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,320
together informed in London, Pink Floyd, Kate Bush, The Police,

890
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:25,199
Queen Amy Winehouse, Burial, The Clash, The Sex Pistols, The

891
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Damned Killing Joke, Susie and the Bansheese, The Sound E Rhythmics,

892
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,920
the Pet Shop Boys, David Bowie.

893
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,039
Speaker 4: Our Favorite Cocksparough, Cox.

894
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: Sparrow, absolutely Orange Goblin. I get, like, you know, the

895
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,360
black metal conglomerate of like Aca Cocker Voices, code like

896
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,000
that kind of scene, which is some of my favorite

897
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,079
black metal ever made. I think US and Finland would

898
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,760
maybe argue custody for Matt McNerney because he goes off.

899
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,000
But like Scorpion Milk is a very London centric kind

900
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:54,840
of thing. Even if I was to go to I

901
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,760
know this, this does break the rules, I wouldn't be allowed.

902
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,519
But if I were to even look at the surrounding areas,

903
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,800
similarly to if you were to look at like New

904
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,079
Jersey across the water from New York or whatever, I

905
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,719
would get the cure. If I venture into Essex, I

906
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,280
get depeche Mode and the Prodigy. If I was to

907
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,440
go up to like Watford, I get Gallows, right, And

908
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:12,159
they went on.

909
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: About London and not close enough, but again again it's

910
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,079
ex but like, no, London is a really good shout

911
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:18,880
and you're like, again you look at the breadth of

912
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,559
like legendary ship and again maybe it's just just too

913
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,639
close to home that you don't like sometimes think about that,

914
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,320
but yeah, London might be the best answer.

915
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's you say that they're in Watford, but

916
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:30,960
London is the reason. So I'm taking Gallows.

917
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: Fuck you.

918
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,159
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's lots of other hardcore bands from.

919
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,559
Speaker 4: Ship Loads of London hardcore you could have.

920
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean even just right now, there's like high Viz

921
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,280
and London based, aren't they, And like fucking Final Dunes

922
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,360
there are well no the singers from Birkenhead, but the

923
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,320
band themselves are fair enough. Yeah, the as like yeah,

924
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,719
because that's that's the voice you hear, but the band

925
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,599
themselves so like there's I genuinely think, I think, and

926
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:56,719
that's this is to also then say, obviously the whole

927
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,519
range of like other musical cultures that exist in London

928
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,440
that I am, you know, much less knowledgeable than don't

929
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,320
belong to so much. But if you were to pull

930
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,760
it all together, I think you can take you know,

931
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,679
the whole of the US and you obviously get something

932
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:15,639
incredibly hard to hard to tackle. But I'm gonna tentatively

933
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,559
say I don't think any other city around the world,

934
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:22,719
with the possible exception of New York actually for a

935
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,360
sheer amount of like, oh that's the best band ever

936
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,079
bands they exist from here. I'm going to take London

937
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,159
and I think I would be fairly happy just existing

938
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,039
on London based music.

939
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: So there fuck everywhere else.

940
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,119
Speaker 1: Let us go to the next question, which comes from

941
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,400
Simon Nash, who says thoughts on the oz Fest announcement

942
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,360
for next year at Villa Park to the event possibly

943
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,039
so yeah, this is another news announcement from this week.

944
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,679
Sharon Osbourne has been saying that they would like to

945
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,880
in twenty twenty seven and have basically, you know, plans

946
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,880
to bring back Ozfest at Villa Park, and naturally, you know,

947
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,960
tongues are wagging about what what could possibly beyond that.

948
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,519
My immediate reaction to it is until there's a bill,

949
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,159
I don't really care. And I think part of this

950
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,000
is oz Fest has never been I know, obviously, I

951
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,639
know the legend of oz Fest, and I know from

952
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,400
just history looking back at how significant bills from you know,

953
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,159
the late nineties and the tournam with anyone, that kind

954
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,119
of thing, how huge apart of the culture Ozfest was.

955
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,599
If you have been going to shows in the last

956
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,639
fifteen years, which is basically all of the shows that

957
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,320
I go to because that's the time that I have

958
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,480
been involved in the music another Ozfest. It briefly came

959
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,920
back as that like not Fest versus Ozfest, kind of

960
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,440
you know, cross branding thing, but like I've never been

961
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,519
to an Ozfest. I imagine lots of people listening who

962
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,639
are our age or younger certainly won't have been to

963
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,400
an oz fest. And I think about this and I

964
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,079
look at just the endless you know, those Danny Wimmer

965
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,920
Presents type festivals in America or the Endless, I mean,

966
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,880
the ones that we always pull up were to the

967
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,639
Red State rock festivals as they call them, where you

968
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,480
go like, is this like how like how have you

969
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:04,360
got a three day festival and all three days of

970
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,320
being headlined by Daughtry, Like what's going on?

971
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: Without a bill to go on?

972
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: I just kind of assume that it will be a

973
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,519
big rock event with the big same kind of bill

974
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,280
you expect to see everywhere else, and it'll be very,

975
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,079
very expensive.

976
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: So I hope it's good.

977
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: But I'm not immediately like taking my top off and going,

978
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,119
oh my god, oz festers back, because I don't think

979
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:26,880
we have the the same relationship with it necessarily.

980
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

981
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like like there was like I was first,

982
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,079
like twenty ten, I want to say it was.

983
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:34,159
Speaker 4: When I was first starting going to last they did it.

984
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like it was like just born corn

985
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,320
murdered dolls, like skin dured on it.

986
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: I remember that, and I was like, that'd be pretty

987
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:41,840
cool to go to.

988
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: But I was like, it didn't feel like it was

989
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,360
like the sort of legendary thing that OZ Fairs had

990
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,599
kind of like the history it kind of told you, Like,

991
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,719
I mean I look at this like, well, yeah, like

992
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,159
I'm not shocks that they're like that, They're going to

993
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,159
know that they want to do some event as like

994
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:56,920
a sort of truth thing a like Villa Park where

995
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,599
that legendary back to the beginning show.

996
00:44:58,639 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it makes sense they're doing that.

997
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: Part of me again slightly joking me, but also I

998
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,960
would not be shocked if I've just dubbed it as

999
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,920
Blood Sabbath is the headliner, Like I wouldn't be shocked

1000
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,000
if we got like maybe not even the headline it,

1001
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,639
but if if we had a young Blood fronted Black

1002
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,000
Sabbath appearing at it for like a multiple song set,

1003
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,320
like I wouldn't re s it, And that would kind

1004
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,840
of just sour the whole thing for me. But if

1005
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,800
they put together, you know, a cool metal line up

1006
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,639
that's going to fill a stadium, great, I think it'd

1007
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:32,679
be great exposure if they get the right bands on there,

1008
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,840
Like I do want it is it just gonna fill

1009
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,880
a stadium due to the like kind of like oz

1010
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,559
fas Branning and the kind of like tribute to us.

1011
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: He but like, yeah, right now, I'm kind of like

1012
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,239
wait and see on it.

1013
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously it's nice that, you know, in

1014
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,199
his absence there would still be an event bearing the

1015
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,559
Odds name, right, like carrying on. That's that's obviously a

1016
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,400
very nice kind of gesture and a nice thing to

1017
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,480
happen if it was to be filled with bands who

1018
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,039
deserve the exposure and who could make use of it

1019
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:03,800
in the way that Ozfest historically was built on doing that. Again,

1020
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,320
the famous stories you hear about Slipknot on the original

1021
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Odsfest and that.

1022
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: Kind of thing.

1023
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: If it was to do that, then then great, I

1024
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,039
don't you know, considering like probably fucking live Nation booking

1025
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,719
it the same thing as everything else, right, So I

1026
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,159
don't necessarily see how this vin.

1027
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,039
Speaker 3: Ticket for a day, Like, yeah.

1028
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:21,639
Speaker 1: It would be that, but it would also be I

1029
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:25,360
don't necessarily see you know, many different bands beyond the

1030
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,800
bands who are already on all of these regular type events,

1031
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,519
and we have so many events anyway, right fucking again,

1032
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,039
like all points of the East and download and yeah,

1033
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,320
so much the stuff happens. If it happens and it's

1034
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,199
cool and it has I mean, I'm thinking of what

1035
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,960
would get me to have to, you know, go and

1036
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,119
buy a big stadium ticket and go to Birmingham. But genuinely,

1037
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:51,360
like Tony martin front of Black Sabbath is about, would

1038
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,360
want to go and receive Tonaomi returning to do. But

1039
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,480
if it happens and it's cool and it becomes you know,

1040
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:59,800
an annual pilgrimage Mary BOROI, and then great, that's brilliant.

1041
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,920
But I'm not like, actually, I don't think it's going

1042
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,760
to be a game changer, right suddenly having an old's

1043
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,480
fest when we haven't had one. But so that's you know,

1044
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,719
in terms of just insie announcement with no news as

1045
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,199
to any bands or anything. That's my initial kind of

1046
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:17,039
responsor to it's basically, you know, largely neutral. I suppose

1047
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:20,559
Peter hen asks, in light of the team being less

1048
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:24,039
than enthusiastic about Reef's nineties Mega hit, place your hands,

1049
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,960
what is your generation's equivalent, i e. The undeniable smash

1050
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,280
that you remember fondly but leads people younger than you

1051
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:34,920
utterly bewildered. I think this is a deceptively very hard question.

1052
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,239
I agree, because we're in an era now where nothing

1053
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,119
goes away because mister Brightside has been this song for

1054
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:46,599
twenty years, you know, and if if the Killers were

1055
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,559
on reefs, like you know, shelf Life, then that would

1056
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,679
have gone on time it goo and we have like

1057
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,119
why took nostalgia both in like the pop world and

1058
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:59,559
the rock world is all the fucking rage. So finding

1059
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,400
stuff that you know, we remember growing up it's very

1060
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,119
very easy. Finding stuff that hasn't also then been immediately

1061
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,599
handed on and passed down to people who come after

1062
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,119
us is more difficult. And this is where I was

1063
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,280
genuinely reaching for, Like do Jen Alpha care about l

1064
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,159
n FAO.

1065
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,119
Speaker 2: To go with this? Do they do they know the

1066
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:26,079
party rock anthem?

1067
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:28,599
Speaker 3: Because my point with this is there are tons of

1068
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:30,440
songs that kind of fit this mold of that they

1069
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,440
were like omnipresent because I was like growing up in

1070
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,079
the two thousands when Landfill Indie was everywhere you couldn't escape,

1071
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,360
you know, the fratellis or the feeling or bands beginning

1072
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:41,519
with that.

1073
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,039
Speaker 4: Those songs were sucking everywhere.

1074
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,639
Speaker 3: But those songs are always shit, they were just husually popular,

1075
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,599
and mister Bryanston is the only one you can kind

1076
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:49,920
of go to. Is like, I do think mister Bryan's

1077
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:51,920
like again, come with me if you want. But mister

1078
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,960
Brid's side is massive and like and it is only

1079
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,239
present and it's still omniprison, it's never going away.

1080
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 4: And then I was like, what about the new Mail Bangers?

1081
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: But again, as you say that, nostalgia still that alone

1082
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,519
still fucking goes off for Rolling, because Rolling is you know,

1083
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:06,920
a classic that I have so much fun fondness for,

1084
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,800
but also go for it. The pop punk songs, you know,

1085
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,800
even something like Girls and Boys by a Good shild Like,

1086
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,400
they're not as big.

1087
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: As that song, still you know, massively popular.

1088
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 3: So all the songs that I like that could fit this,

1089
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,079
they're still popular because they're good songs that have kind

1090
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,360
of endured. They're not Reeves placed your hand a shit

1091
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,320
song that was popular in the nineties.

1092
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,679
Speaker 4: This night is brick pop stuff was naff.

1093
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: But here's the thing with this nineties brit rock is

1094
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,039
some of it's good, some of it's bad. Right, The

1095
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,360
general point we're making here is that it is very

1096
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,320
confined to the memory of the nineties, Like, very very

1097
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,639
few people who are not in on nineties brit rock

1098
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,960
at the time give any shit about that crop of bands.

1099
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,239
This is kind of the point that we were making

1100
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,719
on our recent special, So finding again stuff that is

1101
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,880
of that same equivalency but has not survived gender, A

1102
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,880
natural next step is to go, okay, what about the

1103
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,079
brit rock of era? Right and again, I just like

1104
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:04,599
what you were saying about songs that are always shit.

1105
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,639
I don't like these fucking bands. But this is when

1106
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,159
maybe you go to the likes of UNI at six

1107
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,000
and so on, and you go, do people who are

1108
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,840
you know, twenty or younger. If you were to play

1109
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:19,559
Underdog by UNI at six at X Rock Club, if

1110
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,239
the demographic is like thirty years old slightly over, then

1111
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,000
they will go crazy for it. If it is younger people, it's.

1112
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: Maybe the best answer.

1113
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,199
Speaker 3: I've still seen face down pop off for Underdogs, so

1114
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:35,280
like and that's younger card's there, so like I don't know,

1115
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,840
like again from my answer has been like again this

1116
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,119
sort of the naughties indie bands, like you know, people

1117
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:43,320
like there will be people who are like, look back

1118
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,239
really fondly at the Kooks and all of those terrible

1119
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,800
bands and they'll have those songs from that era that

1120
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,480
they'll be like, oh, that that's great. And I think

1121
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,000
people look back on the now and go like, no,

1122
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:56,159
that stuff was was rubbish. That's close because again it's

1123
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:58,719
so of that era, like the nineties brit rock stuff is,

1124
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,519
and people who like it would still look back really

1125
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,719
fondly on it. But those songs are for the most

1126
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,199
part completely enough, and you're probably right the close thing

1127
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,519
to me, and maybe I'm too close to it with

1128
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,119
maybe I'm that person with Morty split Rock.

1129
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,679
Speaker 4: Like here's the thing, like with the exception of.

1130
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: You Me at Six, how many of those bands actually had,

1131
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:24,280
you know, major crossover hits that were like really popular

1132
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,719
on the radio all the time you would like new

1133
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,960
Music's are pretty much the only one who had any

1134
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:32,119
kind of enduring it that you could say was probably

1135
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,679
popular enough.

1136
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: To be that so underdog you're probably is the right answer.

1137
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,039
Speaker 1: Like yeah, if you like, you could throw the similar

1138
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:40,960
things and I don't know, like Bones by Young Guns,

1139
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:42,800
like you know, that crop of songs. But this is

1140
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,119
where I then I also, this is when I started

1141
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:45,800
think about machine Head, you know, and I was like,

1142
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,199
do younger generations enough give any shits about their classic

1143
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,639
songs from their sort of second classic era. You know,

1144
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,360
your imperiums, your halos, all that kind of thing. Do

1145
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,719
Jen Alfer care about Bullet of my Aretine? In terms

1146
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,880
of the metalcore revival, there is a lot of Obviously

1147
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,840
Naughty's nostalgia is all the rage, but how much does

1148
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,320
that translate to tears don't fall?

1149
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: Like?

1150
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 2: Tears don't it? Does it?

1151
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: Does?

1152
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:11,519
Speaker 2: I see?

1153
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: I've seen tiktoks and its sacam reels.

1154
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 3: Of like like Zoomer kids being like, oh, you know,

1155
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,239
tears and four is a classic like that, like there

1156
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,239
is enough for the poison. I don't mean, I don't

1157
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,039
mean it goes anywhere beyond the point. I don't mean

1158
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:25,239
they've ever heard of the last fight?

1159
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: You know?

1160
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: Okay, your betrayal then is an answer then or screaming fire.

1161
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:32,400
But the thing with the Reef song as well, and

1162
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,440
what we all said about it, is that essentially it's

1163
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,639
a song that sounds like it is made to be

1164
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:39,760
played at kids' birthday parties. And on that line, I'm

1165
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,079
not playing fucking Uni at six at a kid's birthday party.

1166
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,519
What might instead be played is what was that song.

1167
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,559
Speaker 2: Like hey hey baby, ooh ah, like.

1168
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: Maybe that song maybe slide like you know, yeah the

1169
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,280
Church are slide. Those are the natural equivalence that fucking

1170
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,239
reef song. So there's a very spread out collection of

1171
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,559
answers that might vaguely fit, but it is hard because

1172
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,800
stuff doesn't fucking go away anymore. Everything is nostalgia pilled,

1173
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,880
and certainly our era of like the Y two K,

1174
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:16,840
you know, naughty stuff is very very present in that

1175
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,760
and when you get to the early twenty ten stuff,

1176
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:21,800
aside from your sen paternals, maybe it's not canonized enough

1177
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,159
in the first place to h Yeah, I don't know.

1178
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,400
There you go and Leon Barnes asks bands who you

1179
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,920
are once desperate to hear more from, but the passages

1180
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,639
time has flipped that hope you either don't care anymore

1181
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,840
or you actually hope they called it a day System

1182
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,519
of a Down. For me, they just carry on being

1183
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:38,559
a legacy act for all I care. Now, I think

1184
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:40,360
you've absolutely nailed it with System of a Down. And

1185
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,760
I think there is a better answer really than like

1186
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,360
there was a period when everyone was waiting. Will System

1187
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,039
of Down then they've gotten back together the first time?

1188
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:50,320
Will they make new music, and it's now been so

1189
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,960
many years and they released like two songs that have

1190
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,679
been completely forgotten. No one cares about the system of

1191
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,480
a down music. I am the same. Similarly, I guess

1192
00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:59,159
I have you know, I like Creation Machine, but I

1193
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:01,440
have no interest in whatever Tom Morello is doing that

1194
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:03,039
kind of thing. But I assume we are taking this

1195
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:06,679
in a different way to bands just getting bad, you know,

1196
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,960
like Green Day or Architects, what have you.

1197
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,039
Speaker 2: You know, this is.

1198
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,519
Speaker 3: Like bands you haven't done anything for a long while,

1199
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,480
and like you kind of we're holding out for coming back,

1200
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:24,679
and it's against me and it paints I just, I

1201
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,320
just I don't have it, like again, the low sort

1202
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,119
of stuff. There's been sporadic things I like in those

1203
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,440
solo albums, but none of them have ever kind of

1204
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,760
wowed me, and I just I just feel like that

1205
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,679
that that ship has like long since sailed. I'm happy

1206
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,400
to have like those like Fondness and the love for

1207
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,719
those against Me albums. I will cling onto that, but

1208
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,239
as a whole, I don't think I want you against

1209
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,199
me material anymore.

1210
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a heavy but worthy shout. I think, like

1211
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,079
Food Fighters every other album, I don't know.

1212
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:56,599
Speaker 3: As I said, one a decade, we get one a

1213
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:58,599
decade of food fighters, and that's what we've got to

1214
00:54:58,599 --> 00:54:58,880
deal with.

1215
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, two names that sprung to mind for me. Isn't

1216
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:05,239
it really annoying that MCR seemed to have fallen into

1217
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,519
this because the foundation of the K When that came

1218
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,440
out in twenty twenty two or whatever it was, we

1219
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,440
were all like, oh my god, a new MCR song.

1220
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,000
And I know that maybe you know different people a

1221
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,679
different things on it.

1222
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: I really like.

1223
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,639
Speaker 1: So I thought it could have been a really awesome

1224
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,239
first taste of like a new MCR album going in

1225
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,440
that kind of direction, and now they have become they've

1226
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,920
fallen into. For me, what is the We could kind

1227
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,840
of term it the system of a down memory pocket

1228
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,679
of them being a band who exists and play shows,

1229
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,960
but you don't actively think of them as being like

1230
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,480
a functional, active band.

1231
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 4: You're right, But.

1232
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: I also know if there was any England again, if

1233
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,840
they dropped a new song, I would be back.

1234
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 4: I would be back in.

1235
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: I would be the same. But that's for the last

1236
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,039
couple of years. This is where they have been and

1237
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,199
it's again this black praise again. I'm going to you know,

1238
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,199
the Black Praye shows.

1239
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm look forward to seeing that show, but I'm like,

1240
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,239
I want when this run is done, I either go

1241
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,599
away again and kind of like for at least a

1242
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:03,679
couple of year or dos or actually do something because

1243
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,440
you're they're a really good answer, but they're the one

1244
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,400
that I'm like, no, but I would, I would be

1245
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,519
back in if if it happened, I would immediately.

1246
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, come back on.

1247
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: Okay, And I imagine this next one is going to

1248
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,599
also probably be the same in that way. But this

1249
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:18,599
came to mind because they were on the two thousand

1250
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,119
Trees lineup. What you said about Glass show, because here's

1251
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:23,679
the fact Material Control next year.

1252
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: Is ten decades old.

1253
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they again, they exist. They play shows seemingly

1254
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:29,960
quite regularly.

1255
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 3: But worshiping tribute and so everyone knows about Silence and

1256
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,599
like anniversary and celebration shows, so they very much feel

1257
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:43,719
like they're sort of set into that nostalgia pocket.

1258
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,679
Speaker 4: So again, like, if that's what Glasses is, I'm fine

1259
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,079
with that.

1260
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 3: Again, I believe that Glass Or have a great album

1261
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,519
in them if they, like, if they wanted to, I

1262
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,920
think they would release another incredible album because they feel

1263
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,079
like a band who if they're putting something out, there

1264
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:00,519
is care and thought that's gone into it. It's just

1265
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:03,159
whether they actually want to, you know, dedicate the time

1266
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:03,559
to that.

1267
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1268
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: But this whole sort of phenomen we're talking about, I

1269
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,760
think you could almost name it after system of it

1270
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,639
down like they are the absolute, ye, the type case

1271
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,400
for what this is. So thank you for your questions everybody.

1272
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,320
We will return to that well, you know when we

1273
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,440
get the Inkling Too over on the Patreon this week

1274
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,440
it is the special which goes from Reef all the

1275
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,679
way to I mean, I listened to the ninety ninety

1276
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,559
seven Brutal Truth album today and let me tell you

1277
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:34,639
there's no Reef adjacent stuff on that. It really does

1278
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,480
cover a lot of spread the nineteen ninety seven special.

1279
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:40,800
This coming week we are going to be finishing that.

1280
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,880
We have a third and final part. We're gonna be

1281
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,599
looking at the underground metal they came out that year,

1282
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,559
and then we are going to be closing the special

1283
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:49,039
by all picking our favorite albums from that year as well.

1284
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:50,800
If you've come along with the first two parts, we've

1285
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,480
had a lot of really nice feedback from people, a

1286
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:54,400
lot of fun going on memory Lane or you know,

1287
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:56,800
digging stuff out that they weren't aware of at the time,

1288
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,559
all that kind of stuff it is. I mean, we're

1289
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,159
gonna move on something else after this. And I feel

1290
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:03,000
like the last like two months, our brains have just

1291
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,480
been stuck in nineteen ninety seven. You know, it's been

1292
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,760
really intense. It's been a lot of stuff going on.

1293
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,960
But as said, we are going to be finishing that

1294
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:13,440
over on Patren look on Slash that's not ELVI coming week.

1295
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,079
So get involved this that grabs a bit of your fancy.

1296
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:19,199
Let's end this episode with the releases. And so last week,

1297
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:22,000
of course, was our February reviews bag. Do go and

1298
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:24,199
check out all of those albums if you have not already,

1299
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,639
everything from Pony to Halass to a lot of Cryptic Shaft,

1300
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:29,519
all of that stuff or worth checking out.

1301
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: So go and do that.

1302
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: But albums that came out last week that we obviously

1303
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,360
didn't get a chance to mention. Rob Zombie is probably

1304
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,039
the most prominent one of the bunch, with an album

1305
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,480
called The Great Satan. And if you heard me chuckle

1306
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,679
a little bit earlier when I said, David Bowie, it's

1307
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:47,559
because I shared on my Instagram story a Rob Zombie

1308
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:51,400
lyric from this and Rob Zombie for fucking twenty five

1309
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:56,199
thirty years just makes monster mash bollocks, right. I mean

1310
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:58,519
I say this from Tom total love. I always enjoy

1311
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:00,880
the monster mash bollocks, but it like mad libs, you know,

1312
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,400
it's gibberish. And the one time, yeah, just rhyming fucking

1313
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,719
different monsters with each other, and the one time I

1314
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,920
pull out just this daft little lyric and put it

1315
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,239
on my story is the time that then people call

1316
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,960
up me out. I go, actually, don't you know that's

1317
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,159
a David Bowie reference, and I go, sorry, everyone, I

1318
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:21,440
just I don't really care or listen to like Ziggie

1319
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,880
Stardust era David Bowie's not my Thing, which sent our

1320
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,440
Discord into a fucking melt.

1321
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 4: What is going on here?

1322
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: So unfortunately it's made me more angry at Rob Zombie

1323
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,320
than I was when I listened to the album and

1324
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:39,880
this is now the album it's the one with the

1325
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,679
David Bowie reference that then spilled into stupid mayhem because

1326
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,000
I don't listen to that era of David Berwie. I'm sorry,

1327
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:48,440
But the Great Satan from Zombie it's kind of more

1328
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,199
industrial flavored and a bit heavier than his previous bunch.

1329
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:52,880
I always have fun with them. We also had a

1330
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,599
new Carpenter Brutes with Leather Temple, which is the third

1331
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:59,079
of the sort of leather trilogy I suppose of Carpenter

1332
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,599
Bruce albums. This this one, unlike the prior to it

1333
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,239
is a pretty much an entirely instrumental like synthwave record.

1334
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:07,119
It's not got the kind of guest features which to

1335
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:10,039
me were like my favorite part of the previous two albums,

1336
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,280
hearing like Greg Piccatto and Johannah's from Tribulation and all

1337
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,280
these you know, Matt McNerney, the guy for Alva, like

1338
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,159
all of these different people carrying choruses and stuff on

1339
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:20,320
Carpet Bruit records. This one doesn't have that. It's just

1340
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,000
kind of pumpy thins wave. But if you like that,

1341
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:25,760
then that is they're available. Australian metalcore band with an

1342
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,400
emphasis on kind of you know, over the top cinematic

1343
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,760
sort of flare. The Gloom in the Corner put a

1344
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,960
record called Royal Discordance Nothing, the kind of grunge shoe

1345
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,519
gayze type band returned with their first album in a

1346
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:40,360
good sort of five or six years I think called

1347
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,519
a Short History of Decay sound.

1348
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:43,119
Speaker 4: Do you like nothing?

1349
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: Are you interested in nothing?

1350
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1351
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 4: I do like nothing.

1352
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,639
Speaker 3: The more Phone Bands are something, but they're one of

1353
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:50,000
those bands I think I'm very kind of like they're

1354
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:51,320
just very good at this sort of thing and very

1355
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,639
well respected, and this album is kind of just more

1356
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,760
of that, like kind of cool, sort of quite cinematic,

1357
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,599
chee gays kind of I mean, this is good. Yeah.

1358
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1359
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:05,039
Speaker 1: Then there was also out on Relapse Records, I think

1360
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:09,440
Final Gasp with an album called New Day Symptoms. This

1361
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,079
is kind of like post punky, gothy, thick heavy metal.

1362
01:01:13,239 --> 01:01:14,880
I suppose a lot of people seem to really really

1363
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,159
be into it. I need to spend a little bit

1364
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:18,119
more time with it. But that is out there for

1365
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:22,320
your tastes. If you like sort of proggy, post metally

1366
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,800
doom metal type stuff. Then from the UK there's Matador

1367
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:29,320
with above below and so over in the Scandinavian death

1368
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,159
metal world there's Harrowed with the Eternal Hunger, and also

1369
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,519
mainland European death metal a great band called Possession who

1370
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:38,639
returned with the record after about sort of eight or

1371
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:40,840
nine years out of nowhere. The literally just Surprise dropped

1372
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,239
it in the middle of the week. But really good

1373
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:44,760
band Possession the Mother of Darkness that's like really like

1374
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,519
filthy underground death metal. And in the sort of melodic

1375
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:51,599
black metal sphere, there was also necro Fire with Transcend

1376
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:55,559
into Oblivion. Today's releases start with from the metal core

1377
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,639
world era with all lowercase silence outlives the Earth and

1378
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,239
the lowercase startle means I will not hear a note

1379
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:06,159
from that record, Lost Society. Also, I've lost track of

1380
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:07,559
whether this band is still a metal core band or

1381
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,639
for a thrash metal band or whatever, but finish thrash

1382
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,440
slash later years metalcore Lost Society hell is a state

1383
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,360
of mind more old school thrash. I think believe a

1384
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,519
band returning after like a good number of years away,

1385
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:23,920
like a couple decades first album Whiplash with their album Thrashquake,

1386
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:28,079
which has an album cover that signifies a thrash metal

1387
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:29,920
band coming back from the dead after twenty years as well,

1388
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,360
I'll say that much. Then there is in the kind

1389
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,800
of like alternative punk sort of world, a band called

1390
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:42,039
surf Bot particular name surf Butt, Reality Star, Death Doom,

1391
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:46,119
Temple of Void have the Crawl another returning band, not

1392
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,079
quite a couple decades away, but long enough. The first

1393
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:53,159
album from the Black Gays band Bostonage, one of the

1394
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:56,840
more earlier years pioneering black Gays kind of post black

1395
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,800
metal bands. Boston their first record and I think something

1396
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,360
like Decade, Hidden Fires, Burn Hottest.

1397
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,119
Speaker 2: So if that is.

1398
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: Your flavor of stuff, but you don't know that band,

1399
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,480
and it's a good time to jump back onto them.

1400
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,559
More Scandinavian, there is Reed with the sky's term black,

1401
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,800
and then quite a few EPs out today. One of

1402
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,559
them is, of course, the Black Braid EP that we

1403
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,760
mentioned being announced earlier, Nocturnal Womb. If that's not your

1404
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,679
flavor of black band, then there is Blackstone Cherry, who

1405
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,760
have an AP today called Celebrate moon Tooth, the sort

1406
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,239
of prog metal band I suppose I've gone EP that's

1407
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,239
called Bustard and from the hardcore world, very like aggressive

1408
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,039
chaotic Needles in your Ears kind of hardcore band. Nailed

1409
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:39,119
shut Na with an EP called a Promise Made, a

1410
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,599
Promise kept. So that's your lot today. Thank you very

1411
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:44,920
much for being here with us. Let us know what

1412
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,280
you made of all the stuff we spoke about today.

1413
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,880
Those new releases those questions as well. Get involved over

1414
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,679
on the patren if you want to hear us closing

1415
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,440
out with all of like the heaviest, most extreme nasty stuff.

1416
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,400
Sam's going to listen to some shit, I'm going to

1417
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,679
tell you that much on this final part of the

1418
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,000
Night in seven special. As said, Patroon is a place

1419
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:03,719
to be with that, and we will return here on

1420
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,480
the weekly feed next time.

1421
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: So bye bye everyone,