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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome everybody to trans Dimensional Realities. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Melissa Ly, and here we talk about all things strange
Speaker 1: and weird and wonderful that is all part of our reality,
Speaker 1: even if we don't realize it. This is our first
Speaker 1: show of twenty twenty six and I'm really excited. This
Speaker 1: is our third show and we've got a lot of
Speaker 1: great guests already lined up for the next couple of months.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to be doing a weekly show here.
Speaker 1: It will come out on Thursdays both on our podcast station,
Speaker 1: Paranormal UK Radio Network or paukradio dot com. But then
Speaker 1: the video portion is on my YouTube page, so look
Speaker 1: up Melissa Ly the way I spell it, and you'll
Speaker 1: see the video interviews, same interviews, but with video. I
Speaker 1: feel it's much more personal. So I figured being the
Speaker 1: first show of the new year, let's get down to basics.
Speaker 1: When you think paranormal, what do you think of ghosts?
Speaker 1: And I have been a paranormal investigator for over twenty years.
Speaker 1: I've seen and done a lot. I've experienced a lot
Speaker 1: of weird things, and it's always been a fascinating subject
Speaker 1: to me, trying to figure out not only what happens
Speaker 1: to us when we die, but also what are we
Speaker 1: experiencing right now. People sometimes think of ghosts doing things,
Speaker 1: and I think it's sometimes a lot more complex than that.
Speaker 1: So in any case, we have a great couple of
Speaker 1: guests lined up for tonight, both paranormal investigators. We have
Speaker 1: Regina Blatt from PPF Investigations, and we have a Lee
Speaker 1: Pig who is part of the Medics for Paranormal group.
Speaker 1: So welcome both Regina and Lead to the program. Hi.
Speaker 1: How are you guys?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
Speaker 2: Hi, thank you well.
Speaker 1: You both are paranormal investigators. So if you could tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about your group, how long you've
Speaker 1: been investigating, and you know, then we'll start talking about
Speaker 1: some really fun stuff. So Regina, why don't you go first?
Speaker 3: Okay, my name is Regina. My team is called PPF Investigations,
Speaker 3: which is pursuing paranormal facts and there's a story behind
Speaker 3: that which we can get into if you want. I
Speaker 3: am going on my fifteenth year of being a paranormal investigator.
Speaker 4: I have always seen things and experiencing as a child
Speaker 4: and as an adult, I came to learn that I
Speaker 4: have empathic powers, and I know everybody's as different.
Speaker 3: I can actually sense and feel emotions of the living
Speaker 3: and the dead. So that does help me when I'm
Speaker 3: doing paranormal investigations. But yeah, I got into the field
Speaker 3: because just about fifteen years ago, probably maybe going on
Speaker 3: sixteen years ago, my sister committed suicide and she started
Speaker 3: coming to me in dreams.
Speaker 1: I am so sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Three years after that, my father passed away
Speaker 3: from lung cancer and he started visiting me too, and
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, there's more to this life than
Speaker 3: this physical body, and I started my journey on trying
Speaker 3: to find answers.
Speaker 1: Wow, we're going to have to talk about those two events. Yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, I've had some experiences too, Lee, What about yourself.
Speaker 2: I've investigating for right at a ten year mark. I
Speaker 2: need to look up exact day, but it's right at
Speaker 2: ten years as a child growing up, I grew up.
Speaker 2: I don't think the house was haunted per se, but
Speaker 2: I think the land was because the whole street there
Speaker 2: was like a rumor about every third or fourth house.
Speaker 2: You know, we were told, okay, don't go there, that
Speaker 2: house is haunted. The house is haunted. Then things started
Speaker 2: happening in my home well as I grew to an
Speaker 2: or do and started pursuing m mass. Actually I started investigator,
Speaker 2: getting into the investigation side of it a little bit more,
Speaker 2: trying to find out the you know, the where and
Speaker 2: the why, if at all possible. And just like Regina said,
Speaker 2: there there had to be more out there than what
Speaker 2: we actually see. So during that my first job as
Speaker 2: an ant, my partner that I worked with, she had
Speaker 2: done it before, so we kind of you know, joined
Speaker 2: forces for a little while and we investigated for several
Speaker 2: years and then we parted ways. But in the meantime,
Speaker 2: like Regina also said, I discovered that I do have
Speaker 2: some empathica Billy as well, not like her. I don't
Speaker 2: so much since emotion as much, but I do. I can,
Speaker 2: and I feel confident enough to say about one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of the time can tell if something's in the
Speaker 2: room with us and where that person or entity is.
Speaker 2: So then I joined up with Regina, and I got
Speaker 2: to tell you right now, just to start, that's been
Speaker 2: the best thing ever happened to be right there as
Speaker 2: far as an investigator. That's why I sported into it.
Speaker 2: My team, by the way, medics for paranormal. We were
Speaker 2: all emergency medical services personnel trying to incorporate work into
Speaker 2: the you know, taking care of the living and the dead,
Speaker 2: if you will. And then, like I said, I joined
Speaker 2: up with Regina, and I kind of feel like that
Speaker 2: I'm almost a part of her team just you are,
Speaker 2: and could not be more proud of her.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, the team that you run, Regina, is
Speaker 1: mostly a female team.
Speaker 3: We are an all female team, but we're a small team,
Speaker 3: so we do pair up with other paranormal teams a lot.
Speaker 3: And you know, Lee, since we met, you know, he
Speaker 3: has always been invited and has all intended almost everything
Speaker 3: that we have been on. So and I wouldn't think
Speaker 3: of doing any investigations without him, you know. Moving forward,
Speaker 3: we just have a really really special bond and it's
Speaker 3: really interesting and different for both of us because we've
Speaker 3: never experienced that before. But I think being empathic, we
Speaker 3: always call it like a spiritual umbilical cord. It's like
Speaker 3: when we're together, it just amps it up even.
Speaker 1: More fantastic so let's talk about the paranormal in general. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've gone through for the last twenty years, and I've
Speaker 1: been investigating longer than that. The plethora of ghost shows,
Speaker 1: ghost investigation shows, everything from Ghost Hunters, the Ghost Adventures
Speaker 1: to Little God Knows Everything else, and most of the shows,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, oh crap, and uh, it's just
Speaker 1: my opinion. Although I will say Ghost Adventures for just
Speaker 1: all the issues they have, it's still make guilty pleasure
Speaker 1: because I love.
Speaker 3: Ghak like I will be a Ghak fan forever. I
Speaker 3: don't care how many people hate Zach. I love him.
Speaker 3: And you have to give the man credit for twenty
Speaker 3: seven seasons on TV. Can't fake all of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's a very entertainer. But anybody that can get
Speaker 2: that much evidence and one.
Speaker 3: Night, well they're there for three or four nights.
Speaker 2: Like you said, they're great. They're great and entertainers they are.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, it's one of the few
Speaker 1: shows that I think really shows legitimate evidence that they capture.
Speaker 1: I don't always agree their interpretations of that evidence, but
Speaker 1: they are capturing and experiencing things.
Speaker 3: Okay, people have to remember too, it is TV and
Speaker 3: they go over and above. You know, they get really
Speaker 3: scared and it may not be that scared, but that's entertainment,
Speaker 3: that's part of it. Yeah, I say it's right, but.
Speaker 1: I'm saying right right. Well, I was on a on
Speaker 1: one of the shows many years ago, and that was
Speaker 1: a horrible experience because of the producers misrepresenting evidence, cutting
Speaker 1: things to make things look like they happen differently, abusing
Speaker 1: my my, my clients. So yeah, I'm not a real
Speaker 1: big fan of production companies, so I should make my
Speaker 1: own anyway. So ghost investigations, paranormal investigations, they really have
Speaker 1: taken off because of I think a lot of these shows,
Speaker 1: although there are a lot of teams that go back
Speaker 1: for decades investigating. What would you say is one of
Speaker 1: your most fascinating things about investigating the paranormal? What really
Speaker 1: gets you excited?
Speaker 3: I just think, like, let me back up and say
Speaker 3: that ghost hunting is not what you see on TV.
Speaker 3: As we all know. It's sitting in the dark for many,
Speaker 3: many eight twelve hours and getting absolutely nothing but that
Speaker 3: one time, that one one time when you hit something
Speaker 3: and you get a voice or answers, and it is
Speaker 3: amazing and that's what keeps most of us going into
Speaker 3: this field. I was over re location, ran the ghost
Speaker 3: hunting tours for seven years at this old it's one
Speaker 3: of the oldest opera houses in the South, and we
Speaker 3: just got amazing evidence out of their names and voices
Speaker 3: and footsteps to where I could take the evidence and
Speaker 3: go back to the historian and match it up. And
Speaker 3: those are the types of things that excite me in
Speaker 3: this field. It's like the spirit is giving us the
Speaker 3: information and here I can coordinate it with a historian
Speaker 3: to make sure that it's real. And I even had
Speaker 3: the owners, you know, I'd come to them with with
Speaker 3: different things that spirit gave us and they're like, how
Speaker 3: did you know that? Nobody knows that. It's like spirit
Speaker 3: gave it to me. Like we're hearing the same things
Speaker 3: over and over. They're trying to communicate. But to answer
Speaker 3: your question, I think it's that it's that one clear answer.
Speaker 3: It's that one clear evp. It's that one clear even
Speaker 3: if it's a yes no that is like so amazing,
Speaker 3: or if you get a message from a loved one
Speaker 3: that is just for you, which I have gotten those
Speaker 3: two It's just those are the things that keep me going.
Speaker 3: And it's not all what Hollywood makes it out to be.
Speaker 3: It's not all you know, we're breaking out Ouiji boards
Speaker 3: and things are flying all over the place and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. It's not that I always set
Speaker 3: out to show and prove that there is a lighter,
Speaker 3: loving side to this than what we see on TV.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem with these television shows is fear selves, yes,
Speaker 1: and if you can make people afraid or freaked out,
Speaker 1: they'll stay tuned in. So that's the problem with most
Speaker 1: of these shows. That's why even with ghost Adventures, they
Speaker 1: look at a lot of things from a negative standpoint,
Speaker 1: because that's what keeps people tuning in to see the
Speaker 1: freaky stuff, right, I mean, and of course, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Almost fifteen years, I've never come across a demon. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't put myself into situations where I know there
Speaker 3: possibly might be one, But I'm not going on there
Speaker 3: and claiming, oh, that's a demon. That's a demon, that's
Speaker 3: a growl, that's a you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I understand Lee. What about you.
Speaker 5: Well, one of the things that I really love about
Speaker 5: it is the history of you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: these locations that we go to you know, there's so
Speaker 5: much history or so much blood soak, you know, able
Speaker 5: to kind.
Speaker 2: Of keep it alive, keep people aware of what was
Speaker 2: here before all of us. Somebody had told me when
Speaker 2: I first started investigating, they said, pay attention to everything
Speaker 2: around you. You're going to see a lot more you
Speaker 2: know not you know, and that right, they are just
Speaker 2: kind of rung, you know, hung true with me, and
Speaker 2: it's the truth. For example, And this is kind of
Speaker 2: the best example I can give of what I was
Speaker 2: talking about. I was vacationing down in Florida at the
Speaker 2: beach and it was an old civil war for it,
Speaker 2: and we were camping out and we went to investig
Speaker 2: get one of the old metal batteries that the soldiers
Speaker 2: had used to protect the coastline back during the back
Speaker 2: during the war days. Uh Me and my friend we
Speaker 2: walked into this room and it was all mital room
Speaker 2: and I said, we're not in here by ourself, and
Speaker 2: you know, she's like really, I'm like, yeah, we're not.
Speaker 2: We pulled out my phone and I did just a
Speaker 2: quick burst VP session. Very first question I asked, I
Speaker 2: got a response and it was loud enough and it
Speaker 2: was powerful enough you could hear it reverberating off the wall,
Speaker 2: and I wish I had it loaded up here now,
Speaker 2: but it was just a clear, very resient Regina's heard
Speaker 2: it is just said yes, and you know, and I
Speaker 2: told my friend, I said, yeah, I said, there's there
Speaker 2: was people here before and they're still here. So I
Speaker 2: think the history of it is really what keeps me going,
Speaker 2: you know, because I mean, I walk into a building,
Speaker 2: I can't walk into Walmart, and I just wonder what's
Speaker 2: in there. I'm so sorry about the smoke detector in
Speaker 2: the next room. I don't hear it. My good, because
Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed right now.
Speaker 1: No, we don't hear it at all.
Speaker 2: So okay, well, very good, so good. The other night,
Speaker 2: when I was at the hospital working, I had came
Speaker 2: out to the ambulance and I was outside of the
Speaker 2: ambulance bay and I was standing there just talking to
Speaker 2: my partner and there's two sets of doors. One of
Speaker 2: them is just a regular door log just like you
Speaker 2: got to keep had to get in, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the inside door opened up, and then the
Speaker 2: outside door opened up from the inside. I said, do
Speaker 2: you see that, I said, somebody just walked out They're like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean. I said, somebody just walked out.
Speaker 2: He says, I didn't see anybody. I said, exactly, you know,
Speaker 2: And well, like I said, the history of it. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: you gotta tell me to quit talking. I know.
Speaker 1: That's what the show is for. That's why we're here
Speaker 1: to talk about these things. And I love these types
Speaker 1: of stories that you know, so many things happen. Part
Speaker 1: of the reason I named the show what it is
Speaker 1: is because all of these things are part of our reality,
Speaker 1: and yet mainstream science and media everybody else you would
Speaker 1: only look at it as a novelty if they believe
Speaker 1: in it at all. But the truth is, there's so
Speaker 1: much more going out there that we don't understand, that's
Speaker 1: right underneath the surface. But yet it's still there with us.
Speaker 1: And that's what fascinates me the most about the paranormal,
Speaker 1: because there's just so much to learn and experience if
Speaker 1: you're open to it.
Speaker 3: I agree, completely agree, Regina.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about when when your sister
Speaker 1: passed and your father, the experiences of being visited. Could
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: Sure, they both visit me quite often, not so as
Speaker 3: the years go on it kind of is less and
Speaker 3: less to say. My belief is they feel like I
Speaker 3: don't really need them anymore, but I love to have
Speaker 3: them around. But I had a very, very vivid dream
Speaker 3: when my sister first came to me. We were in
Speaker 3: a room. There was a bed with someone in it.
Speaker 3: You could see the form of the body, and my
Speaker 3: sister was sitting on the edge of the bed, like caretaking.
Speaker 3: And she was a surgical text, so she was in
Speaker 3: the medical field, so that wouldn't have been too off
Speaker 3: color for her to be, you know, assisting someone. And
Speaker 3: she saw me and she got up and came to me,
Speaker 3: and she didn't speak verbally. She spoke to me in
Speaker 3: my mind and I said to her, are you okay?
Speaker 3: And she was glowing just in white and blonde hair
Speaker 3: and big blue eye and just beautiful, just beautiful. And
Speaker 3: you know, I said to her, are you okay? And
Speaker 3: she said back into my mind, She's like, yes, are
Speaker 3: you okay? And that just has stuck with me my
Speaker 3: whole life moving forward without her. It's like, I know
Speaker 3: she's okay, I know where she is, she's fine, and
Speaker 3: now it's okay for me to be okay with that
Speaker 3: she's here, she'll visit me, She'll she'll give me little
Speaker 3: clues and hints that she's around. She was a big
Speaker 3: cure the Cure fan, musical fand the Cure. So about
Speaker 3: two years after she had passed, I was in a
Speaker 3: department store in Christmas during Christmas time, and of course
Speaker 3: we're playing Christmas music, and all of a sudden it stops.
Speaker 3: One of her favorite cure songs came on, played and
Speaker 3: then went right back to Christmas music, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: that is such an extreme difference in music. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I got you. So you know, they do give me
Speaker 3: little signs and symbols. My dad passed away from love cancer,
Speaker 3: and he has visited me and told me that he's okay. Actually,
Speaker 3: my best friend and I were out at the Stanley
Speaker 3: Hotel in Essas, Colorado or Stephen King was shining for
Speaker 3: our very very first ghost hunt and he was in
Speaker 3: hospice by then, but his wife said he'd want you
Speaker 3: to go on the trip, so go ahead and go,
Speaker 3: and I did, and there just happened to be a
Speaker 3: medium out there, so I went and had a session
Speaker 3: with her, and she said, there's a man coming through
Speaker 3: he's like your father, but not like your father. And
Speaker 3: we didn't have that close of a relationship until the end.
Speaker 3: There a lot had happened. So she said, he's like
Speaker 3: your father, but not your father. So I immediately understood
Speaker 3: that and immediately knew that he had already passed, you know.
Speaker 3: And of course he said he was sorry for the
Speaker 3: things that he's done, and he will be with me
Speaker 3: and he will protect me, and you will always be
Speaker 3: by my side. So it's death is something that we
Speaker 3: all have to deal with. But I think it's easier
Speaker 3: to understand if you know that they're still with us
Speaker 3: and they're always watching over us, and they're you know,
Speaker 3: standing by us, and you could feel them and you
Speaker 3: could sense them and they give you signs. And I
Speaker 3: think it's just a wonderful thing. And that's what got
Speaker 3: me into this. It's like if I could help somebody
Speaker 3: feel that way, let them know that their family is
Speaker 3: still here and proof, because like Lee said, with every ghost,
Speaker 3: there's a story, With every location, there's a story. And
Speaker 3: if we can tell that side of it and not
Speaker 3: be like, oh, there's a demon here, that that's what
Speaker 3: keeps me going and keeps me wanting to ghost hunt
Speaker 3: is showing, like I said earlier, the lighter, softer side,
Speaker 3: the loving side.
Speaker 1: What about you, Lee? Have you ever had an experience
Speaker 1: like that of a past loved one.
Speaker 2: I have actually for the past year, up until this
Speaker 2: past August, I was battling cancer. Right after I was diagnosed,
Speaker 2: there was only one cousin that I had. Her name
Speaker 2: is Janis. She battled cancer for fourteen years before she
Speaker 2: finally passed away to it. She was like a begen
Speaker 2: of light. I mean, she was like a rock, you know.
Speaker 2: She never let it get her down emotionally. Of course
Speaker 2: it did physically, but she never lost her smile or
Speaker 2: her sense of humor or anything like that. So after
Speaker 2: I found out what I was dealing with, I just
Speaker 2: told her out loud, you know, I to wish you
Speaker 2: were here. I got so many questions, and I don't
Speaker 2: remember if it was that night or if it was
Speaker 2: a nine or two layter. She came to me in
Speaker 2: a dream, heard my grandmother. I'm standing in a parking
Speaker 2: garage and all of a sudden, down come around the corner,
Speaker 2: come flying around the corner was with little Toyota Corolla.
Speaker 2: I don't know where this car came from, but my
Speaker 2: cousin Janie was driving and my grandma was in the
Speaker 2: passenger seat. They pulled it beside me. She got out.
Speaker 2: My grandma did. She come over there and gave me
Speaker 2: a big hug and I told her, I said, I
Speaker 2: have missed you since you've left. I said, let's go
Speaker 2: see Jennis. I ain't seen her either, you know, since
Speaker 2: she died. And we walked over there and she just
Speaker 2: had the most beautiful smile. Just I've never seen anybody
Speaker 2: look more happy and more at peace. And when I
Speaker 2: woke up, I still felt that I still felt love,
Speaker 2: I still felt every emotion that I felt in that dream,
Speaker 2: and I have no doubt that they came to me
Speaker 2: to say, hey, you know what, You're going to be okay.
Speaker 2: And another experience that I had that I find kind
Speaker 2: of odd. My father passed away nine years ago to
Speaker 2: be ten years in May, and during the whole cancer battle,
Speaker 2: I asked him, I said, are you really there for me?
Speaker 2: And I'm not kidding. This is the very same day
Speaker 2: my iPhone and when it comes to phone, it's technology
Speaker 2: and I know it, but it popped up with the
Speaker 2: memory of pictures of my dad, all of my dad,
Speaker 2: and like I said, he'd been gone for nine years.
Speaker 2: And to figure that for that one particular day, for
Speaker 2: that memory production to come on is when I needed
Speaker 2: it most. So I have no doubt that my family
Speaker 2: was there with me through the entire cancer.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm getting a little emotional because I've had the
Speaker 1: same experience. I had a twin brother who had died
Speaker 1: of a heart attack ten years ago, and it was funny.
Speaker 1: It took a couple of months and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I had a vivid dream where I found
Speaker 1: myself in just this white It looked like a bathroom
Speaker 1: with all white subway child but there was no urinals
Speaker 1: and dolls, just some columns, but it was all white.
Speaker 1: And I just turned and there was my brother standing
Speaker 1: there smiling at me. Now, it's like what Lee mentioned.
Speaker 1: You would think that you know right away, you would like, oh,
Speaker 1: hug em or you know, be all excited or whatever.
Speaker 1: My brother and I had a very interesting close relationship.
Speaker 1: This shows you what our relationship was. Like I just
Speaker 1: turned and looked at him with a smirk, and I said,
Speaker 1: it's above fucking time you showed.
Speaker 3: Up, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then I know we had a conversation. I
Speaker 1: can't remember it, and then he's appeared a couple of
Speaker 1: times since, although it's been a very long time. I
Speaker 1: also lost my spouse three years ago, and they've appeared
Speaker 1: in my dreams a couple of times, very vividly. And
Speaker 1: I still don't get visitations. I think they've gone off
Speaker 1: to do something else and said, you're on your own.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I totally get the experience. It's wonderful when
Speaker 1: it happens.
Speaker 2: What's amazing about it? Though? You said you don't remember
Speaker 2: the conversation, but I would be willing a bit. You
Speaker 2: still remember what you felt the emotion?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was overwhelmed with emotion. But yeah, still
Speaker 1: maybe if I was went under hypnosis, might babe, maybe
Speaker 1: I might remember it. But I think it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where you're supposed to keep it in
Speaker 1: your subconscious. Yes. So, so you mentioned Regina the first
Speaker 1: place you were investigating. You know what other types of
Speaker 1: things did you experience there?
Speaker 3: Well, when we were at the Stanley Hotel, and again
Speaker 3: my sister had passed like at that time, it was
Speaker 3: probably going on close to three years. I actually was
Speaker 3: there with the Ghost Adventures crew believe it or not.
Speaker 3: It was before they got really really big and they
Speaker 3: were doing, you know, hosting ghost investigations. So I was
Speaker 3: in the room with Aaron Goodwin and we were doing
Speaker 3: an EVP session and I always laugh and Lease heard
Speaker 3: the story many times. My claim to fame is like
Speaker 3: I was sitting on the bed with Aaron Goodwins. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it's in the bed of the Aaron Goodman.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we had a recorder running that was on
Speaker 3: the dresser, and after we got done investigating and went home,
Speaker 3: we actually listened to the recorder and I got three
Speaker 3: EVPs that were all the same male voice, and one
Speaker 3: said my sister's name, which was Nicki, the second one's
Speaker 3: and the first one said where are they? The second
Speaker 3: one said my sister's name, Nikki, and then the third
Speaker 3: one said Nicki's death. And I knew, I knew there
Speaker 3: couldn't be any other explanation but that she was there.
Speaker 3: Maybe she didn't know how to communicate, she communicated through
Speaker 3: this person, or this person was maybe her guide, but
Speaker 3: I knew they were for me. I mean, that's not
Speaker 3: a Marryer or a Wendy or you know, it was Nicky.
Speaker 3: It clearly said NICKI and.
Speaker 1: Which is not as popular as the other name.
Speaker 3: No, no oh, And I actually have those EVPs up
Speaker 3: on our website if anybody would like to listen to them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was amazing and we were I remember
Speaker 3: me and my friend were like down listening to the
Speaker 3: record and we heard it. We just popped up and
Speaker 3: we looked at each other and I was like, tell
Speaker 3: me you heard what I heard? And she's like, yes,
Speaker 3: that said your sister's name, and we were just like
Speaker 3: it just like blows your mind when you get an
Speaker 3: e VP that just is like so clear and so
Speaker 3: distinctively for you, and it's wild and you're like, yes,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I either for you or intelligent response to a question, Yes,
Speaker 1: those are always fantastic. Lee, What about you? What? What?
Speaker 1: What first investigation did you do?
Speaker 2: The first investigation I ever did was actually an ambulance
Speaker 2: service that I worked for. I told you about my
Speaker 2: friend that I worked with, you know, she had gotten
Speaker 2: into it. It just so happened that in the ambulance
Speaker 2: bay for over a year there was an ambulance that
Speaker 2: had been wrecked, and in that accident, they lost the
Speaker 2: patient and one of the crew members so we you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, it just sat kind of sealed in
Speaker 2: this one bay area. So we sat there and just
Speaker 2: trying to get different responses. We never did get anything
Speaker 2: as far as an EVP or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: the one thing that I do remember about it was,
Speaker 2: and this kind of introduced me to the hell empathics
Speaker 2: out of it is feeling the emotion that was there.
Speaker 2: It was so heavy, It was so overwhelmingly heavy. It's
Speaker 2: almost like somebody took a black shroud and just threw
Speaker 2: it over my head, you know, and just kind of
Speaker 2: put me in the blackness. But that was the first
Speaker 2: investigation that I ever did with anybody else, And as
Speaker 2: far as EVANDEN, we didn't get a lot. It was
Speaker 2: just everything in here that I can't validate. It's just
Speaker 2: what I know that I felt. The first public investigation
Speaker 2: I ever went on, I did have my voice recorder
Speaker 2: tossed off of a headstone and hit somebody in the
Speaker 2: foot during the investigation. So that right there was what
Speaker 2: was really eye opening. I didn't get it actually flying
Speaker 2: off on video, but I got the person as it
Speaker 2: hit their foot and you could actually hear it slide
Speaker 2: across the headstone. On the voice recorder itself.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I'll tell you what got me into it.
Speaker 1: I moved here to New Jersey going on twenty six
Speaker 1: years ago, and the house I lived in, which was
Speaker 1: an old thirties converted cabin in a lake community, and
Speaker 1: they there was activity, and it was one of the
Speaker 1: things where I started to look at not just haunted houses,
Speaker 1: but things that may be attached to the land, because
Speaker 1: I know there were a few houses in my neighborhood
Speaker 1: that had activity and I was seeing lights, I heard
Speaker 1: my name being called, and it was fascinated me. I
Speaker 1: started filming with an old, just regular white light super
Speaker 1: VHS camera. I caught multiple things, including this thing I
Speaker 1: call a flying sock, which looks like a tadpole. In
Speaker 1: the video, you see this orb go across the screen,
Speaker 1: go behind a rocking chair across the room, then shoot out,
Speaker 1: and as it shoots out, it's tadpole shaped, bulbous head
Speaker 1: to a tail and about this big and it goes
Speaker 1: flying right past me into the kitchen. And even though
Speaker 1: I was mostly watching the screen, I saw my peripheral
Speaker 1: vision go through there. So I had a local paranormal
Speaker 1: team come in investigate. I was hooked join them. Years later,
Speaker 1: I formed my own group and I've been investigating for
Speaker 1: over twenty years.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome to see something onlike your you know,
Speaker 3: number one in your house, but number two like to
Speaker 3: capture it is amazing too, because you know how many
Speaker 3: times all of us have been on investigations and stuff
Speaker 3: happens and you're just like, damn, I didn't have my
Speaker 3: camera setup or or I didn't have my recorder running,
Speaker 3: and it just is like, I mean, nobody could take
Speaker 3: those experiences away from you. But it's like, oh, I
Speaker 3: didn't capture it.
Speaker 1: Well, that would lead into this, what is your preferred
Speaker 1: method for investigation? When you get a place you're going
Speaker 1: to investigate, how do you approach it? How many people,
Speaker 1: what kind of equipment? What works best for you? Go hadly.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean depending on how many people. It just
Speaker 2: depends on the location itself, you know. I mean I
Speaker 2: don't want to you know, have people in there, you know,
Speaker 2: but to go and not be able to actually enjoy
Speaker 2: the investigation, you know, without wondering, Okay, is that contamination?
Speaker 2: Is that that somebody over here passing gas and you
Speaker 2: never know, you know, I'm going to keep it kind
Speaker 2: of under control as far as the investigation. The equipment, again,
Speaker 2: it just it all depends. I've got kind of like
Speaker 2: a baseline a few things. Regina makes fun of me
Speaker 2: because I always overpack the equipment box. But I do
Speaker 2: definitely want a few rimpods. I like to have some
Speaker 2: K two's just for other people to use. I love
Speaker 2: it when other people are hands on and they actually
Speaker 2: tell me about their experiences as it's happening, because you know,
Speaker 2: you never know who the spirit or entity might want
Speaker 2: to talk to you. They may not like me, but
Speaker 2: they may love Regina. Like I said, I mean, it
Speaker 2: just all just depends on where we are. I mean,
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things that I have, and it's
Speaker 2: a love hate thing. It's my sols. I love it,
Speaker 2: but damn that thing is heavy. I built it myself
Speaker 2: and I was working for the fire department at the
Speaker 2: time as a paramedic, and it was about twenty degrees
Speaker 2: outside and I picked up an overtime shift and I
Speaker 2: had just got my last component. I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this thing with me and I'll take
Speaker 2: it to the fire hall and that's where I put
Speaker 2: it together. The captain who was actually there. He said,
Speaker 2: do you mind if I ask what that is? And
Speaker 2: I told him what it is and he says, that's
Speaker 2: pretty cool. He says, I think I've seen one once
Speaker 2: before me and my wife went on an investigation. So
Speaker 2: he was kind of, you know, drawn into it. So
Speaker 2: as I powered that thing up at the fire hall,
Speaker 2: it's it's on a center block wall, that's what it
Speaker 2: shined on. And there was a stick figure on that wall.
Speaker 2: And I asked him, I said, cap, I said, do
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying? And he's like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: know that. I said, there's nothing in there that it
Speaker 2: could be. It's a blank wall. So he's sitting here
Speaker 2: and he's like hi, and it would throw an arm up,
Speaker 2: you know. So we just kind of, you know, just
Speaker 2: set there and investigated with that for a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, I'm gonna wrap this up. I know
Speaker 2: I'm talking a lot. But so anyway, what was really
Speaker 2: incredible about it He actually tried to approach the stick
Speaker 2: figure and if it was gone, you know, we didn't
Speaker 2: find it anymore. So we were looking around the fire
Speaker 2: houlow never to find it. And I told him, I said,
Speaker 2: I've got an idea. I wouldn't get my partner, who
Speaker 2: was female, so I asked her. I said, hey, Erica,
Speaker 2: I said, come out here. I want to ask you
Speaker 2: to do me a favor. And she came out and I
Speaker 2: explained to her what was going on. Well, anyway, there
Speaker 2: was three chairs set up. She was in the middle chair.
Speaker 2: The captain on the engine. He came out and he said,
Speaker 2: in the chair, if I was facing him, it would
Speaker 2: have been to my right and to the left. There
Speaker 2: was a stick figure beside her. It was sitting back
Speaker 2: had if you could tell, it's like what's crossed, and
Speaker 2: his arm was like this right here. He was out
Speaker 2: there like them with the best of us. And I've
Speaker 2: still got that video as well, and that's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite things that I've ever captured, just because it was,
Speaker 2: you know, at work. I wasn't expecting that. But that
Speaker 2: also got made to learning a lot of investigations at
Speaker 2: the fire halls and they'll turn up something anyway. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: Please go ahead, Rein fine.
Speaker 1: You're fine, no problem, no problem. You know, as far
Speaker 1: as equipment goes, I personally find when you stick to
Speaker 1: the basics, I mean, there's lots of good toys out
Speaker 1: there to play with. Some just kind of are repetitive.
Speaker 1: I don't trust apps that are on phone or tablets
Speaker 1: because they can be pre programmed. You know, they're for
Speaker 1: entertainment purposes only. I like a rempod. I like my
Speaker 1: I have trifield meters. But you know what, just a
Speaker 1: good night vision camera, still camera and a digital recorder.
Speaker 1: That's all you really need. And trust me, people, when
Speaker 1: you're you see these shows or they have like multiple
Speaker 1: cameras set up, they got maybe eight cameras set up
Speaker 1: in a location. The one thing they never really show
Speaker 1: you in this is you have if those each of
Speaker 1: those cameras ran for like six hours, you have to
Speaker 1: watch six hours footage from every single camera and it
Speaker 1: is boring, boring, boring, but you hope for that one
Speaker 1: instant you capture something that's exciting exactly.
Speaker 3: That's the hardest part that people don't understand is the
Speaker 3: evidence review. And especially with the TV shows, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's all they got when they were there, and it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: but they had eight hours, ten cameras, eight hours each
Speaker 3: of footage that they had to roll through. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's that's The thing about investigation, people don't understand
Speaker 1: the dedication it takes. It's not just going out and
Speaker 1: hoping you have some experiences, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: you won't. But then maybe you will capture something on
Speaker 1: your equipment later. And I find EVPs are one of
Speaker 1: the things that fascinate me the most. I mean, whether
Speaker 1: they're intelligent or not, it's just to get a human
Speaker 1: voice that is not coming from anywhere. It's digital recorders,
Speaker 1: not picking up radio waves. I used to have a
Speaker 1: mechanical engineer on my team, so he used to always
Speaker 1: go through and explain it like, Nope, that can't happen.
Speaker 1: And I've I've heard, I've been cussed out one time.
Speaker 1: I can call the son of a bitch. I've got men, women,
Speaker 1: other voices. The other thing is tell me your opinion
Speaker 1: on this. And a lot of the shows, especially old
Speaker 1: ghost Hunters and even present day Ghost Adventures, they use
Speaker 1: those old sony recorders that drive me crazy because they're
Speaker 1: so staticky and garbled. And yet I think they use
Speaker 1: them because they think they're getting more EVPs. And most
Speaker 1: of the time when they're playing it your garbage. If
Speaker 1: I want an EVP, I want it to be crystal clear,
Speaker 1: even if it's faint. I mean, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: your opinion.
Speaker 3: You know, we see them use all different kinds of
Speaker 3: voice recorders, and I think it's just where the level
Speaker 3: and the vibration and the and the voice falls within
Speaker 3: those parameters, because I've had some Class aevps that are crystal,
Speaker 3: crystal clear, there's no denying it what it's saying. And
Speaker 3: then you get some that are are mumbled and jarbled,
Speaker 3: and you know, the voice is not anybody that was
Speaker 3: in the room, especially with me, like being an all
Speaker 3: female team, when we get male voices, I mean, there's
Speaker 3: nobody in the room faking a man's voice, I think.
Speaker 3: And again it could be, and we won't know until
Speaker 3: we're over there. But maybe it's the age of the spirit.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's the the intelligent of the spirit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Maybe some can come through easier than others can come through.
Speaker 3: Some don't know how to come through yet it just
Speaker 3: becomes a muffled. But again, how do you explain a
Speaker 3: spirit who doesn't have a voice box.
Speaker 1: To be talking, especially when you're right there and you
Speaker 1: don't hear it, but the electronic device picks it up. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's the one thing that always fascinates me. Is
Speaker 1: it because of a different range of frequency that it's
Speaker 1: able to pick up and we can't hear it, But
Speaker 1: then when you're playing it back you technically we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to hear it either if it was totally
Speaker 1: different frequency.
Speaker 3: But is it kind of like the light spectrum too,
Speaker 3: Like you know, we see these cameras that can can
Speaker 3: detect different light spectrums, and you see it on the camera,
Speaker 3: but you don't see it with your own eyes because
Speaker 3: we can't see that spectrum of light. Is the sound
Speaker 3: and the voice waves the same, that's side we can
Speaker 3: hear and some we can't.
Speaker 1: Something that I would really like an engineer to talk
Speaker 1: about about recorders and if they could do pick up
Speaker 1: more in those spectrums than what we hear, And if
Speaker 1: it does pick something up, can it play it back
Speaker 1: in a way that we can hear it. I mean,
Speaker 1: that seems to be the case, but I'd like to
Speaker 1: know because if that doesn't happen, then there's a definite
Speaker 1: different phenomenon going on that we can't explain.
Speaker 2: One thing I would like to touch on, if you
Speaker 2: don't mind. You were talking about picking up human voices.
Speaker 2: You know, anybody that watches your show, I'd love for
Speaker 2: them to pay attention on non human voices. And when
Speaker 2: I say that, I don't mean go dark or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But one of my favorite vps I've ever captured,
Speaker 2: and I want your opinion on this as well. Reginas
Speaker 2: heard it. It was at a plantation, a plantation called Rosemont,
Speaker 2: and they were famous for thoroughbred horses. They would read
Speaker 2: Thoroughbred horses. I don't know if you're familiar with the
Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby winners, but they breathed the secretariut. Okay, there
Speaker 2: had not been a horse on this property in well
Speaker 2: over twenty years. The town grew up around it because
Speaker 2: you know, the land got smaller and smaller. They kept
Speaker 2: selling it up piece by piece, held an investigation there
Speaker 2: what not. And I was in the office of the
Speaker 2: guy that owned it. And there's Clear's day and you
Speaker 2: could hear it on one of my video cameras as
Speaker 2: well as the bush recorder, a big horse winning and
Speaker 2: it sounded like it was just like right outside and
Speaker 2: you know, and I played that we were actually doing
Speaker 2: a public event, and everybody's like, was that a horse?
Speaker 2: I'm like satted like a horse. Lets we want it?
Speaker 2: You know. We played it back a couple of times
Speaker 2: and it was Clear's day. So I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: that it was probably you know, residual, probably just because
Speaker 2: of the whole property itself. But the fact that I
Speaker 2: caught a horse and you know that it was on
Speaker 2: that property at one point in history, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just love that. What do you think about like
Speaker 2: animal voices and such?
Speaker 1: Well, I think this is going to lead into something else.
Speaker 1: But what I think we're dealing with in cases like that,
Speaker 1: even sometimes with the human EVPs we capture, may not
Speaker 1: necessarily be a spirit. I've been really doing a lot
Speaker 1: of research lately into time slips and overlapping times impure
Speaker 1: because there's the theory that all time is really happening
Speaker 1: at once. It's not linear, so conditions can sometimes be
Speaker 1: right for something from another time come through. Perfect example,
Speaker 1: I was investigating an old grissmill here in New Jersey
Speaker 1: called the Red and Mill. It's a big museum, and
Speaker 1: right next door was a rock quarry that went back
Speaker 1: into the eighteen hundreds, and we caught so much of
Speaker 1: and it's at this museum. It was incredible But one
Speaker 1: thing was interesting is on my video camera I had
Speaker 1: up on the fourth floor. It's me in front of
Speaker 1: the camera. You can see me talking, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, there's this loud boom, this explosion. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear it. It came up on the camera. And then
Speaker 1: when I'm reserviewing it, I realized they had a dynamite
Speaker 1: shack they used to blast and I think that's what
Speaker 1: I caught. It wasn't anything in the nearby town, not
Speaker 1: a car backfiring. It had that deep resonance of an explosion,
Speaker 1: and I you know, some people call that residual, and
Speaker 1: I'm beginning to have different ideas on residual these days.
Speaker 1: Some people talk about the stone tape theory that what's
Speaker 1: in the ground, crystal granite, running water, whatever, collects energy
Speaker 1: and repeats it. And I don't know, just my opinion.
Speaker 1: You can tell me your thoughts on it is. It's
Speaker 1: not like that. It's really another a past event happening
Speaker 1: in real time that leads through into our time.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I can I can see that. Would
Speaker 3: it fall along the same lines as reincarnation, like you've
Speaker 3: you've lived another life and you're coming across the same
Speaker 3: people and the same spiritual soul family and and you know,
Speaker 3: you're just on a different dimension now than you were before.
Speaker 3: And do those ever overlap and that's why you're meeting
Speaker 3: the same people like like are we just in layers?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's sometimes it makes my head hurt
Speaker 1: thinking about it. But another example of for this theory,
Speaker 1: and then we'll move on is my friend in the UK, Ireen,
Speaker 1: you know, and she's a very very sensitive and one
Speaker 1: time she was touring a house they were looking to buy,
Speaker 1: and she went upstairs by herself, opened up the door
Speaker 1: of the room and there is this woman in Edwardian
Speaker 1: period made clothing servants, clothing working and when she opened
Speaker 1: the door, that person looked at her. They locked eyes,
Speaker 1: both of their jaws dropped open in surprise, and then
Speaker 1: the woman vanished. So what would be more logical if
Speaker 1: you're gonna use Akham's rasor here that it's Some people
Speaker 1: would say it's a spirit of a servant who died.
Speaker 1: They don't know they died and they're going about doing
Speaker 1: their business or whatever. Or was it a momentary slip
Speaker 1: in time and dimensions where two very much living breathing
Speaker 1: human beings actually saw each other for a brief moment
Speaker 1: and before the phenomenon went away.
Speaker 2: In a mind of another experience I had with my partner.
Speaker 2: And I know I'm long on telling stories. I don't
Speaker 2: want to bring that up, but you just brought that up.
Speaker 3: I think it's possible. I do truly believe that it
Speaker 3: is possible.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much we don't know. I keep learning.
Speaker 1: After all these years, I keep learning, So I know
Speaker 1: that's something we all do. So let's talk about things
Speaker 1: that you've experienced or certain investigations. What is your favorite
Speaker 1: either location experience, what has really made you go wow.
Speaker 3: There's so many, Like after so many years, there's so
Speaker 3: so many. Obviously, the Stanley Hotel was a wow moment
Speaker 3: for me to actually get that personalized message. I was
Speaker 3: at the Limp Mansion in Saint Louis and that was
Speaker 3: the first time I ever heard my name on come
Speaker 3: over on a spirit box Claire's Day, said Regina. I
Speaker 3: mean that was like a wow moment. Wow, they know
Speaker 3: that I'm here, Like these ones can actually interact and
Speaker 3: see me. It's not you know, just you know, on
Speaker 3: a repeat or residual or whatever. You want to call
Speaker 3: it wow. I mean I've I've had experiences where I've
Speaker 3: been touched. I've had experiences where I've only heard something
Speaker 3: in my ear and nobody else has. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: just I can't nail down just one because so many
Speaker 3: after so many years. But also like working with a
Speaker 3: historian and validating that, you know, the spirit that we're
Speaker 3: speaking with was an actual person, that's pretty amazing as well.
Speaker 1: Sure what about Yulik.
Speaker 2: One of the first investigations I did with Regina was
Speaker 2: actually at the wash Show out in Virginia City, Nevada.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I met her just a couple of
Speaker 2: times at a public event that you know, they allowed
Speaker 2: us to have at their facility. So I didn't know
Speaker 2: really anything about her. I mean, I thought, this woman's
Speaker 2: kind of hateful. I don't know if she likes me
Speaker 2: or not. You know, I was kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: towing the line around her. So anyway, we started investigating
Speaker 2: and in the old wash Show club, we were in
Speaker 2: one of the Ladies of the Night, that's what they
Speaker 2: prefer to be called in the office, miss Julia. So
Speaker 2: we're in there and I'm trying to elicit a response
Speaker 2: and and this, this whole moment was the wow wow factor.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to elicit a response. I'm in there calling
Speaker 2: out to Miss Julia, saying that I would like to,
Speaker 2: you know, set up some ladies in the night for
Speaker 2: the night. Regina looks at me, and what I remember
Speaker 2: so much, it wasn't Regina, but I mean it was
Speaker 2: her body or physical body looked at me and and
Speaker 2: almost a different voice said, you're lying. I said what?
Speaker 2: And she said, you are lying. She turned towards me
Speaker 2: and started getting borderline aggressive, and her teammates and one
Speaker 2: of my teammates they kind of, you know, just got
Speaker 2: her out of that room and what we got out
Speaker 2: and Regina's like, I what happened?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And that was kind of like a wild factor. But
Speaker 2: what was wow about it is because what I was,
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that I was talking to Miss Julia,
Speaker 2: and because it definitely wasn't Regina. And that is when
Speaker 2: I saw Regina as much more than just an investigator
Speaker 2: and a friend. It's like our connection was made.
Speaker 1: Well, Regina, have you ever channeled like that before?
Speaker 3: One other time before that, I was at Saint Albans
Speaker 3: in Radford, Virginia, was in the same asylum, and there
Speaker 3: was three of us that went into a room and
Speaker 3: it was set up like a school room with a
Speaker 3: chalkboard in desks. The other two investigators went off to
Speaker 3: one side, sat down and were starting a spirit box session.
Speaker 3: And I was actually at the chalkboard, just kind of doodling,
Speaker 3: and I could hear them turn on the spirit box.
Speaker 3: And I was in there for nine minutes and thirty
Speaker 3: seven seconds only because my recorder was running for that long,
Speaker 3: and it started to sound like I was in a tunnel,
Speaker 3: and I could hear them, but they kept getting farther
Speaker 3: and farther away. They said I did not respond to
Speaker 3: them calling my name. I was just at the chalkboard,
Speaker 3: just still holding the chalkboard, facing it, and they said
Speaker 3: I finally turned around and my face was not my face,
Speaker 3: it was somebody else, and they scooped me up and
Speaker 3: took me out of the building. I don't remember we
Speaker 3: were on the second floor. I don't remember going down
Speaker 3: the stairs. I don't remember going outside. All I remember
Speaker 3: is hearing them. But it kept getting farther and farther away,
Speaker 3: so I think something was trying to either enter me
Speaker 3: or had entered me and was trying to take over
Speaker 3: channel through me. I don't know, but those are the
Speaker 3: only two instances where I had something like that happen.
Speaker 3: And with the one with Lee was it was very
Speaker 3: very intense feeling like I knew I was there, but
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was speaking. And all I could
Speaker 3: think of was he is soliciting, but he's lying because
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the money to give to me. And
Speaker 3: that's why I was almost up in his space, like.
Speaker 2: You're a liar, you are really aggressive. I'm backing up
Speaker 2: from it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so only twice.
Speaker 1: That's enough.
Speaker 3: I don't really prefer it something that I looked that happened,
Speaker 3: but it has happened.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I do have instances where the more and longer that
Speaker 3: I investigate, I do start to over the past few years,
Speaker 3: get things that just and only for simple terms is
Speaker 3: they just pop in my head and I've learned to
Speaker 3: just say them because I think that's a way of
Speaker 3: them communicating, Like what's your name? And I'll say a name,
Speaker 3: you know, where are you at? Oh, I'm standing over here?
Speaker 3: Like does things just pop into my head just like
Speaker 3: answers or things that I wouldn't know about the location
Speaker 3: pop into my head and I've just learned to say
Speaker 3: them out loud. So I don't know if that is
Speaker 3: a form of channeling. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I've experienced that though, too, and sometimes I look at
Speaker 1: it as downloaded knowledge. I'll be in a location, a
Speaker 1: name will come to me. I'm not psychic by any means,
Speaker 1: but I mean I have received downloads of information while
Speaker 1: I'm in places, and I've been able to validate it later. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's again something else that's really fascinating.
Speaker 3: I think that certain people, and this is just my opinion,
Speaker 3: when you go into a location, certain people are like
Speaker 3: beacons of light to them. They can see them more clearly.
Speaker 3: The spirits can see us. Lee, you see us more clearly.
Speaker 3: Know that we're more open to communication than other people,
Speaker 3: you know, because some people go in there and they're
Speaker 3: very closed off. And it's like you have to go in,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, with an open mind and an open heart. Yes,
Speaker 3: be protected, but go in with an open minded, an
Speaker 3: open heart, and willing to receive those messages. And we're
Speaker 3: just like beacons. We're like, oh, let me go over
Speaker 3: here and talk to these people because I can see them.
Speaker 3: I can hear them. Where these people I can't or
Speaker 3: don't even know that they're there.
Speaker 1: Have you, either of you, ever experimented with which I
Speaker 1: have not. I forget what they call it, where they
Speaker 1: have a person sitting down blindfolded with noise canceling headphone.
Speaker 3: That's his method.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, and you have used that?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, I've actually done it with two people using
Speaker 3: two separate spirit boxes and getting the same responses.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That was the house, wasn't every gena?
Speaker 3: That was actually at the Old Stone Jail?
Speaker 2: Okay on the museum side.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. You said that you've never dealt with
Speaker 1: anything you considered demonic, but have you what is your
Speaker 1: most let's say, intense experience that maybe wasn't that pleasant,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not demonic per se, but maybe even
Speaker 1: let's say a pissed off ghost. Have you ever dealt
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 2: Well, mon was miss Julia, I'll revert back to that again.
Speaker 2: Came through with Regina. I thought she was gonna push
Speaker 2: me out a window, So that's probably one.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: You know, I've come across some nasty people, and again
Speaker 3: you have to think if they were not nice in life,
Speaker 3: then they're not going to be nice in death. We've
Speaker 3: all obviously all been told to get the fuck out.
Speaker 3: You know. Lee and I were just on an investigation
Speaker 3: a few months ago where we had through the spirit box.
Speaker 3: It was like shut the fuck up, like it literally said,
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up. Male, and with with me and
Speaker 3: Lee talking, it didn't. It didn't like us and didn't
Speaker 3: want us to be there. I've had instances where I've
Speaker 3: you know, had unwanted touch and it just just like,
Speaker 3: don't do that, You're not allowed to. But never anything
Speaker 3: that I would consider demonic. Just nasty people, not happy people.
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: Have you have you had anything like that? I'm just
Speaker 2: curious me. Yeah, I hearing your stories as well. It
Speaker 2: really did.
Speaker 1: H Yes, one of the very first investigations I did
Speaker 1: with the first team I joined, we investigated a house
Speaker 1: out on Long Island and.
Speaker 2: No, no, okay, I had to ask.
Speaker 1: Long Island is huge by the way the we were
Speaker 1: I was very skeptical going in because there was something
Speaker 1: about this guy that just screamed he wanted attention, and
Speaker 1: so I didn't think anything was going to happen. Well,
Speaker 1: I started feeling this pressure in my chest and an
Speaker 1: anxiety that I couldn't explain, and then I went upstairs
Speaker 1: and feeling was overwhelming, and it was one of the
Speaker 1: first times I realized something didn't want me.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I was with a couple of other female members, one
Speaker 1: of them who was very sensitive, and she was telling
Speaker 1: me that there was a man who didn't like me,
Speaker 1: felt threatened by me because he didn't like other men
Speaker 1: around him, and was trying to get me to leave.
Speaker 1: And at one point, the one and only time I
Speaker 1: ever had to leave and go outside, and once I
Speaker 1: did that, it all evaporated. So then when I went
Speaker 1: back inside it started again. But I knew what I
Speaker 1: was up against, so I kind of was able to
Speaker 1: put up my defenses, push back a little bit and
Speaker 1: say I'm not going anywhere. So that was a real
Speaker 1: intense experience. There was another one where I was investigating
Speaker 1: a house here in Jersey where they said they were
Speaker 1: experiencing some extreme activemty. The mother said she was pushed
Speaker 1: down the stairs once her kids were having horrible nightmares.
Speaker 1: And we went there just to do a preliminary, me
Speaker 1: and one other investigator, and as we're there, I had
Speaker 1: that exact same feeling again. Something was trying to get
Speaker 1: me to leave. The other investigator got hit by an
Speaker 1: electric shock that was not static electricity, and it was very,
Speaker 1: very interesting. So when we finished, we walked out into
Speaker 1: the driveway to the car to talk a little bit.
Speaker 1: It followed us outside. I was still trying to get
Speaker 1: us to leave, so I finally we got our cars
Speaker 1: and as I drove away, then it dissipated. Now, ironically,
Speaker 1: when we went back with our team it hit, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't come out. So that's the one thing people need
Speaker 1: to understand too with investigating. These things don't perform on command. Now,
Speaker 1: they could like dormant, don't want to deal with you,
Speaker 1: and then occasionally come out and do things.
Speaker 2: Somebody I work with they asked me, They says, how
Speaker 2: do you know that these ghosts are not just sitting
Speaker 2: around washing TV. You walk in and they're like, oh crap,
Speaker 2: I got to get up and do some ghost shit.
Speaker 2: Now they're back.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I think it exactly what
Speaker 2: you were talking about. You're right, they're not performers people.
Speaker 1: I also think time works differently for them. They're not
Speaker 1: like like us. In this type of consciousness. I think
Speaker 1: it's almost a type of dream state. They still have
Speaker 1: a type of consciousness, they can react to things, but
Speaker 1: I think time moves differently for them. So one last
Speaker 1: question I wanted to get out to you. Now, I
Speaker 1: know you don't investigate private homes, Lee, does have you
Speaker 1: ever investigated old caves or minds? Yes?
Speaker 3: We were actually asked to be guest investigators at the
Speaker 3: bell Witch Cave.
Speaker 1: Of all places, Okay, and.
Speaker 3: If people aren't familiar with the bell Witch Cave, it
Speaker 3: was the first documented ghost paranormal experience in the US
Speaker 3: long history, you can look it up. Anyway. We were
Speaker 3: tasked to camp out in the actual cave all night,
Speaker 3: and we had some stuff happen. I mean Lee had
Speaker 3: more things happen, but we did hear things, we did
Speaker 3: experience things. I'll let Lee tell you his experiences that
Speaker 3: he had. But the bottom line be came when we
Speaker 3: left the cave and we were warned not to take
Speaker 3: anything with us, which we did, and we didn't take
Speaker 3: any rocks or anything. A lot of people do and
Speaker 3: have to return them. It was really odd because Lee
Speaker 3: had some stuff happened at his home afterwards. But we
Speaker 3: both got really, really sick, like sick from being in
Speaker 3: that cave for had to be at least ten hours.
Speaker 1: Lee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, more like we were. You know, different groups would
Speaker 3: come in and we do our session, and but we
Speaker 3: did find some interesting stuff and Lee can tell you about.
Speaker 2: That well as far as the evidence that we captured.
Speaker 2: One of the best things that we captured. I don't
Speaker 2: know how much you know about the story of Kate
Speaker 2: Bess the Wide Shift Tennessee. She was a shape shifter
Speaker 2: and a lot of reports said that she would shape
Speaker 2: shift into a four legged animal. Look a big world
Speaker 2: for adult One video that we have. I've got a
Speaker 2: still camera set up and it showed Regina's then and
Speaker 2: they're just steelers can be holding a voice recorder. Everybody
Speaker 2: in there is when we investigate, everybody sits to you know,
Speaker 2: and if somebody does maybe you know, we announced what
Speaker 2: that he is, you know, whether it's a noise or whatever.
Speaker 2: On the shadow on the wall behind Regina. You could
Speaker 2: see very clearly a four legged shadow just go across
Speaker 2: the screen behind Regina. And we shouted to the people
Speaker 2: that were actually hosting it and they're like, you know,
Speaker 2: just jaw dropped in. Wow. Another personal experience that I
Speaker 2: had during that that not I was pissed at Regina
Speaker 2: and everybody in that cave. Once you walk into the cave,
Speaker 2: it's got about a corridor, I don't know, about fifty
Speaker 2: yards long and it's about this wide, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's just solid rock all around. While we were in
Speaker 2: the cave, there was a pretty bad thunderstorm and we
Speaker 2: kept everybody in there instead of trying to get back
Speaker 2: up the hill out. We just kept everybody in the
Speaker 2: cave during the storm, which knocked trees down, branches down,
Speaker 2: and everything else. Of course. But I went out to
Speaker 2: the cave entrance to have a cigarette, you know, because
Speaker 2: they had a little overhang. While I'm sitting out there
Speaker 2: by myself to the right, I see this. It's almost
Speaker 2: like a ball of smoke. And it came up the
Speaker 2: hill in front of me, went across to me and
Speaker 2: then down to the river. And I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 2: s done. So I screaming to the cave. Regina. Nothing, Regina, nothing.
Speaker 2: And I yelled in that cave, Regina, and I'm screaming,
Speaker 2: and like I said, it's all just solid rock. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell? So I went in there
Speaker 2: and I went in there and I said, Regina, I said,
Speaker 2: where the hell y'all being They're like, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? I said, you did not hear me screaming?
Speaker 2: And they said, no, we didn't hear anything. Regina says
Speaker 2: that they didn't hear anything, although I still wonder about that.
Speaker 3: There was like eight of us in the cave and
Speaker 3: we did not hear him yelling at all.
Speaker 2: Being out there by myself, you know, it kind of
Speaker 2: freaked me out what I saw with this little ball
Speaker 2: of smoke. So I just wanted somebody else to come out,
Speaker 2: and she never, she never came. She left me there.
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, I'll tell you one story. I was in
Speaker 1: Colorado several years ago visiting my family and outside of
Speaker 1: Colorado Springs, actually going up the pass up into the mountains,
Speaker 1: there is a tourist attraction called Cave of the Winds.
Speaker 1: It's a natural cave system that was discovered about one
Speaker 1: hundred years ago and it's been an operation ever since. Now,
Speaker 1: what I find interesting about these types of situations like
Speaker 1: the bell Witch Cave or old mines, these types of
Speaker 1: places which seem to attract paranormal activity. And what's interesting
Speaker 1: is this cave no one ever died in. No one
Speaker 1: died and the Native Indians who lived in the area
Speaker 1: never went in it because it was so deep that
Speaker 1: there's this area in the very back of the cave
Speaker 1: where I investigated, that is about two hundred feet under
Speaker 1: solid rock, about a thousand feet or more from the
Speaker 1: main entrance, through a bunch of twists and turns and
Speaker 1: lo low openings that you had to crawl through to
Speaker 1: get to this open chamber at the back. And I
Speaker 1: can't believe the amount of activity we caught there. Voices
Speaker 1: telling us to get out, growls, lots of light anomalies captured.
Speaker 1: One that really fascinates me is I was filming against
Speaker 1: this rock wall, and these bright lights kept appearing in
Speaker 1: the cracks of the rocks, and they would they would
Speaker 1: come in like this, and then after a moment they
Speaker 1: fade out, and then a minute or so later they
Speaker 1: would appear in another part of the rock. And I
Speaker 1: caught all this on video. Very clear. There's no insects,
Speaker 1: because back at that part of the cave, it's sterile,
Speaker 1: no animals of any kind, no reflective surfaces because it
Speaker 1: was limestone, not granite, and yet these lights would appear
Speaker 1: and disappear, and there was definitely something intelligent in there,
Speaker 1: So now begs the question, what is it. I investigated
Speaker 1: a gold mine once too, and it's the same situation.
Speaker 1: Now there people died in the mind, so you could
Speaker 1: explain it. But when you get these locations where people
Speaker 1: have not died, why are there people or why are
Speaker 1: their intelligences in the caves? Which leads me to another
Speaker 1: topic we can talk about another time. Leads me to
Speaker 1: think that we're dealing with elemental type entities. You know,
Speaker 1: the old miners used to call them tommy knockers and
Speaker 1: but definitely not human, but can communicate and let you
Speaker 1: know that they don't want you there.
Speaker 3: Right right where we used to have the location the
Speaker 3: Opera House here in Tennessee. Over seven years, we were
Speaker 3: told many times by different mediums that there was an
Speaker 3: elemental there, and it made sense because the basement half
Speaker 3: of it was still just regular dirt and it was
Speaker 3: located on the trail of tears. So we know that
Speaker 3: the Cherokee Indians summered there and I'm sure did lots
Speaker 3: of ritualistic things that could have brought something to that land.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we have been told many times that there's
Speaker 3: an elemental there, and it always us to get out
Speaker 3: like it doesn't want us there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to mention Regina on the towns where you
Speaker 2: know the other piece of history at town had right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's home of the KKK.
Speaker 2: So I had a lot of violence and tragedy there
Speaker 2: with that as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a shame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's really a bloodstub town. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well we've come to the end of the interview here.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much both for being here. Regina. I'll
Speaker 1: start with you, where can people find your website or
Speaker 1: if they want to contact you, what's what's the best
Speaker 1: way people can do.
Speaker 3: We have all the social media, we have Facebook, TikTok, Instagram.
Speaker 3: We do have a website. It's all listed under PPF Investigations,
Speaker 3: and our contact information is on especially the social media.
Speaker 3: You can contact us through there. We do occasionally host
Speaker 3: public events and we've some on our social media if
Speaker 3: we do. But we would love for you guys to
Speaker 3: follow us and watch our journey and interact with us,
Speaker 3: and you know, we'd love to hear from you. So
Speaker 3: if you have any questions, please reach out.
Speaker 2: Okay and Lee, just contact Regina. I'm kidding, madam. Just
Speaker 2: a view of the social platforms medics for paranormal. That's
Speaker 2: the number four not spelled out Medics four paranormal on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Also medics four Paranormal at gmail dot com. And I'm
Speaker 2: not progressed at TikTok yet because, like I said earlier,
Speaker 2: I'm not very tech savvy, but I'm trying lowerdows. I try.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from anybody that has any questions
Speaker 2: wants to reach out something that I'm about to start doing.
Speaker 2: I just to touch on this, and I'd love to
Speaker 2: hear other experiences. I'm a Catholic priest who's a demonologist,
Speaker 2: a very good friend of mine, and he asked me
Speaker 2: if I would ever if needed a company on a case,
Speaker 2: and I said, what do you mean by that? He said, well,
Speaker 2: I'd like to be outside just as a medical personnel
Speaker 2: in case needed, and I pulled them I would, and
Speaker 2: that's going to be a new adventure coming. I've been
Speaker 2: trying to do a lot of homework and research, so
Speaker 2: I would love to hear from anybody on that. And
Speaker 2: the only reason that I'm even considering doing it, The
Speaker 2: only reason is because these people are desperate need help,
Speaker 2: and if I can do anything to help, I want
Speaker 2: absolutely yea, and if.
Speaker 3: Anybody, if anybody's in that, we're located in the middle
Speaker 3: Tennessee area. So if you're ever interested in possibly going
Speaker 3: on a ghost hont or just have questions, please reach
Speaker 3: out to either of us for more than willing to
Speaker 3: help bring you along or show you the ropes or
Speaker 3: whatever you need.
Speaker 1: Okay, well again, thank you both so much. This has
Speaker 1: been a great interview. I know we have a lot more,
Speaker 1: many stories to tell. I'll have to have you both
Speaker 1: come back sometimes.
Speaker 2: We would love that.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and that wraps up our first show of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Thank you all for tuning in, and
Speaker 1: you can listen to the audio portion of this on
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Speaker 1: all had a wonderful New Year, and we're going to
Speaker 1: be traveling into twenty twenty six and see what happens
Speaker 1: from there, So until then, you all be good humans
Speaker 1: and we'll talk with you soon