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Hello and welcome everybody to trans Dimensional Realities. I'm your host,

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Melissa Ly, and here we talk about all things strange

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and weird and wonderful that is all part of our reality,

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feel it's much more personal. So I figured being the

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first show of the new year, let's get down to basics.

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When you think paranormal, what do you think of ghosts?

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And I have been a paranormal investigator for over twenty years.

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I've seen and done a lot. I've experienced a lot

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of weird things, and it's always been a fascinating subject

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to me, trying to figure out not only what happens

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to us when we die, but also what are we

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experiencing right now. People sometimes think of ghosts doing things,

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and I think it's sometimes a lot more complex than that.

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So in any case, we have a great couple of

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guests lined up for tonight, both paranormal investigators. We have

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Regina Blatt from PPF Investigations, and we have a Lee

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Pig who is part of the Medics for Paranormal group.

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So welcome both Regina and Lead to the program. Hi.

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How are you guys?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thank you well.

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Speaker 1: You both are paranormal investigators. So if you could tell

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us a little bit about your group, how long you've

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been investigating, and you know, then we'll start talking about

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some really fun stuff. So Regina, why don't you go first?

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Speaker 3: Okay, my name is Regina. My team is called PPF Investigations,

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which is pursuing paranormal facts and there's a story behind

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that which we can get into if you want. I

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am going on my fifteenth year of being a paranormal investigator.

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Speaker 4: I have always seen things and experiencing as a child

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and as an adult, I came to learn that I

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have empathic powers, and I know everybody's as different.

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Speaker 3: I can actually sense and feel emotions of the living

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and the dead. So that does help me when I'm

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doing paranormal investigations. But yeah, I got into the field

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because just about fifteen years ago, probably maybe going on

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sixteen years ago, my sister committed suicide and she started

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coming to me in dreams.

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Speaker 1: I am so sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Three years after that, my father passed away

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from lung cancer and he started visiting me too, and

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I thought to myself, there's more to this life than

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this physical body, and I started my journey on trying

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to find answers.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we're going to have to talk about those two events. Yes,

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for sure, I've had some experiences too, Lee, What about yourself.

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Speaker 2: I've investigating for right at a ten year mark. I

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need to look up exact day, but it's right at

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ten years as a child growing up, I grew up.

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I don't think the house was haunted per se, but

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I think the land was because the whole street there

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was like a rumor about every third or fourth house.

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house is haunted. The house is haunted. Then things started

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happening in my home well as I grew to an

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or do and started pursuing m mass. Actually I started investigator,

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getting into the investigation side of it a little bit more,

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trying to find out the you know, the where and

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the why, if at all possible. And just like Regina said,

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there there had to be more out there than what

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we actually see. So during that my first job as

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an ant, my partner that I worked with, she had

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forces for a little while and we investigated for several

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years and then we parted ways. But in the meantime,

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some empathica Billy as well, not like her. I don't

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so much since emotion as much, but I do. I can,

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and I feel confident enough to say about one hundred

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percent of the time can tell if something's in the

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room with us and where that person or entity is.

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to tell you right now, just to start, that's been

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the best thing ever happened to be right there as

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My team, by the way, medics for paranormal. We were

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all emergency medical services personnel trying to incorporate work into

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if you will. And then, like I said, I joined

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, the team that you run, Regina, is

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has always been invited and has all intended almost everything

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that we have been on. So and I wouldn't think

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of doing any investigations without him, you know. Moving forward,

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we just have a really really special bond and it's

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really interesting and different for both of us because we've

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never experienced that before. But I think being empathic, we

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always call it like a spiritual umbilical cord. It's like

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when we're together, it just amps it up even.

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Speaker 1: More fantastic so let's talk about the paranormal in general. Okay,

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we've gone through for the last twenty years, and I've

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been investigating longer than that. The plethora of ghost shows,

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ghost investigation shows, everything from Ghost Hunters, the Ghost Adventures

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to Little God Knows Everything else, and most of the shows,

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my opinion. Although I will say Ghost Adventures for just

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all the issues they have, it's still make guilty pleasure

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because I love.

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Speaker 3: Ghak like I will be a Ghak fan forever. I

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don't care how many people hate Zach. I love him.

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And you have to give the man credit for twenty

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seven seasons on TV. Can't fake all of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's a very entertainer. But anybody that can get

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that much evidence and one.

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Speaker 3: Night, well they're there for three or four nights.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, they're great. They're great and entertainers they are.

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Speaker 1: And I will say this, it's one of the few

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shows that I think really shows legitimate evidence that they capture.

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I don't always agree their interpretations of that evidence, but

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they are capturing and experiencing things.

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Speaker 3: Okay, people have to remember too, it is TV and

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they go over and above. You know, they get really

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scared and it may not be that scared, but that's entertainment,

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that's part of it. Yeah, I say it's right, but.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying right right. Well, I was on a on

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one of the shows many years ago, and that was

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a horrible experience because of the producers misrepresenting evidence, cutting

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things to make things look like they happen differently, abusing

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my my, my clients. So yeah, I'm not a real

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big fan of production companies, so I should make my

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own anyway. So ghost investigations, paranormal investigations, they really have

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although there are a lot of teams that go back

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for decades investigating. What would you say is one of

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your most fascinating things about investigating the paranormal? What really

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gets you excited?

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Speaker 3: I just think, like, let me back up and say

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that ghost hunting is not what you see on TV.

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As we all know. It's sitting in the dark for many,

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many eight twelve hours and getting absolutely nothing but that

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one time, that one one time when you hit something

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and you get a voice or answers, and it is

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amazing and that's what keeps most of us going into

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this field. I was over re location, ran the ghost

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hunting tours for seven years at this old it's one

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of the oldest opera houses in the South, and we

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just got amazing evidence out of their names and voices

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and footsteps to where I could take the evidence and

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go back to the historian and match it up. And

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those are the types of things that excite me in

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this field. It's like the spirit is giving us the

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information and here I can coordinate it with a historian

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to make sure that it's real. And I even had

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the owners, you know, I'd come to them with with

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different things that spirit gave us and they're like, how

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did you know that? Nobody knows that. It's like spirit

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gave it to me. Like we're hearing the same things

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over and over. They're trying to communicate. But to answer

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your question, I think it's that it's that one clear answer.

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It's that one clear evp. It's that one clear even

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if it's a yes no that is like so amazing,

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or if you get a message from a loved one

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that is just for you, which I have gotten those

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two It's just those are the things that keep me going.

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And it's not all what Hollywood makes it out to be.

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It's not all you know, we're breaking out Ouiji boards

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and things are flying all over the place and all

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that kind of stuff. It's not that I always set

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out to show and prove that there is a lighter,

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loving side to this than what we see on TV.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem with these television shows is fear selves, yes,

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and if you can make people afraid or freaked out,

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they'll stay tuned in. So that's the problem with most

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of these shows. That's why even with ghost Adventures, they

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because that's what keeps people tuning in to see the

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freaky stuff, right, I mean, and of course, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Almost fifteen years, I've never come across a demon. Now,

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I don't put myself into situations where I know there

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possibly might be one, But I'm not going on there

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and claiming, oh, that's a demon. That's a demon, that's

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a growl, that's a you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I understand Lee. What about you.

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Speaker 5: Well, one of the things that I really love about

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it is the history of you know, a lot of

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these locations that we go to you know, there's so

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much history or so much blood soak, you know, able

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Speaker 2: Of keep it alive, keep people aware of what was

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here before all of us. Somebody had told me when

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around you. You're going to see a lot more you

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know not you know, and that right, they are just

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kind of rung, you know, hung true with me, and

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it's the truth. For example, And this is kind of

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the best example I can give of what I was

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talking about. I was vacationing down in Florida at the

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beach and it was an old civil war for it,

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and we were camping out and we went to investig

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get one of the old metal batteries that the soldiers

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had used to protect the coastline back during the back

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during the war days. Uh Me and my friend we

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walked into this room and it was all mital room

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and I said, we're not in here by ourself, and

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you know, she's like really, I'm like, yeah, we're not.

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We pulled out my phone and I did just a

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quick burst VP session. Very first question I asked, I

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got a response and it was loud enough and it

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was powerful enough you could hear it reverberating off the wall,

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and I wish I had it loaded up here now,

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but it was just a clear, very resient Regina's heard

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it is just said yes, and you know, and I

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told my friend, I said, yeah, I said, there's there

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was people here before and they're still here. So I

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think the history of it is really what keeps me going,

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you know, because I mean, I walk into a building,

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I can't walk into Walmart, and I just wonder what's

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in there. I'm so sorry about the smoke detector in

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the next room. I don't hear it. My good, because

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Speaker 1: No, we don't hear it at all.

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Speaker 2: So okay, well, very good, so good. The other night,

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ambulance bay and I was standing there just talking to

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my partner and there's two sets of doors. One of

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them is just a regular door log just like you

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got to keep had to get in, and all of

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a sudden, the inside door opened up, and then the

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outside door opened up from the inside. I said, do

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you see that, I said, somebody just walked out They're like,

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what do you mean. I said, somebody just walked out.

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He says, I didn't see anybody. I said, exactly, you know,

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And well, like I said, the history of it. I'm sorry,

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you gotta tell me to quit talking. I know.

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Speaker 1: That's what the show is for. That's why we're here

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to talk about these things. And I love these types

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of stories that you know, so many things happen. Part

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of the reason I named the show what it is

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is because all of these things are part of our reality,

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and yet mainstream science and media everybody else you would

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only look at it as a novelty if they believe

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in it at all. But the truth is, there's so

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much more going out there that we don't understand, that's

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right underneath the surface. But yet it's still there with us.

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And that's what fascinates me the most about the paranormal,

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because there's just so much to learn and experience if

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you're open to it.

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Speaker 3: I agree, completely agree, Regina.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about when when your sister

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passed and your father, the experiences of being visited. Could

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you talk a little bit about that.

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Speaker 3: Sure, they both visit me quite often, not so as

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the years go on it kind of is less and

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less to say. My belief is they feel like I

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don't really need them anymore, but I love to have

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them around. But I had a very, very vivid dream

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when my sister first came to me. We were in

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a room. There was a bed with someone in it.

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You could see the form of the body, and my

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sister was sitting on the edge of the bed, like caretaking.

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And she was a surgical text, so she was in

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the medical field, so that wouldn't have been too off

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color for her to be, you know, assisting someone. And

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she saw me and she got up and came to me,

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and she didn't speak verbally. She spoke to me in

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my mind and I said to her, are you okay?

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And she was glowing just in white and blonde hair

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and big blue eye and just beautiful, just beautiful. And

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you know, I said to her, are you okay? And

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she said back into my mind, She's like, yes, are

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you okay? And that just has stuck with me my

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whole life moving forward without her. It's like, I know

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she's okay, I know where she is, she's fine, and

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now it's okay for me to be okay with that

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she's here, she'll visit me, She'll she'll give me little

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clues and hints that she's around. She was a big

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cure the Cure fan, musical fand the Cure. So about

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two years after she had passed, I was in a

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department store in Christmas during Christmas time, and of course

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we're playing Christmas music, and all of a sudden it stops.

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One of her favorite cure songs came on, played and

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then went right back to Christmas music, and I'm like,

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that is such an extreme difference in music. I'm like, okay,

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I got you. So you know, they do give me

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little signs and symbols. My dad passed away from love cancer,

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and he has visited me and told me that he's okay. Actually,

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my best friend and I were out at the Stanley

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Hotel in Essas, Colorado or Stephen King was shining for

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our very very first ghost hunt and he was in

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hospice by then, but his wife said he'd want you

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to go on the trip, so go ahead and go,

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and I did, and there just happened to be a

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medium out there, so I went and had a session

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with her, and she said, there's a man coming through

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he's like your father, but not like your father. And

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we didn't have that close of a relationship until the end.

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There a lot had happened. So she said, he's like

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your father, but not your father. So I immediately understood

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that and immediately knew that he had already passed, you know.

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And of course he said he was sorry for the

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things that he's done, and he will be with me

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and he will protect me, and you will always be

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by my side. So it's death is something that we

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all have to deal with. But I think it's easier

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to understand if you know that they're still with us

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and they're always watching over us, and they're you know,

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standing by us, and you could feel them and you

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could sense them and they give you signs. And I

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think it's just a wonderful thing. And that's what got

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me into this. It's like if I could help somebody

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feel that way, let them know that their family is

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still here and proof, because like Lee said, with every ghost,

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there's a story, With every location, there's a story. And

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if we can tell that side of it and not

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be like, oh, there's a demon here, that that's what

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keeps me going and keeps me wanting to ghost hunt

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is showing, like I said earlier, the lighter, softer side,

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the loving side.

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Speaker 1: What about you, Lee? Have you ever had an experience

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like that of a past loved one.

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Speaker 2: I have actually for the past year, up until this

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past August, I was battling cancer. Right after I was diagnosed,

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there was only one cousin that I had. Her name

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is Janis. She battled cancer for fourteen years before she

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finally passed away to it. She was like a begen

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of light. I mean, she was like a rock, you know.

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She never let it get her down emotionally. Of course

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it did physically, but she never lost her smile or

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her sense of humor or anything like that. So after

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I found out what I was dealing with, I just

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told her out loud, you know, I to wish you

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were here. I got so many questions, and I don't

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remember if it was that night or if it was

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a nine or two layter. She came to me in

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a dream, heard my grandmother. I'm standing in a parking

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garage and all of a sudden, down come around the corner,

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come flying around the corner was with little Toyota Corolla.

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I don't know where this car came from, but my

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cousin Janie was driving and my grandma was in the

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passenger seat. They pulled it beside me. She got out.

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My grandma did. She come over there and gave me

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a big hug and I told her, I said, I

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have missed you since you've left. I said, let's go

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see Jennis. I ain't seen her either, you know, since

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she died. And we walked over there and she just

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had the most beautiful smile. Just I've never seen anybody

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look more happy and more at peace. And when I

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woke up, I still felt that I still felt love,

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I still felt every emotion that I felt in that dream,

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and I have no doubt that they came to me

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to say, hey, you know what, You're going to be okay.

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And another experience that I had that I find kind

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of odd. My father passed away nine years ago to

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be ten years in May, and during the whole cancer battle,

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I asked him, I said, are you really there for me?

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And I'm not kidding. This is the very same day

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my iPhone and when it comes to phone, it's technology

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and I know it, but it popped up with the

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memory of pictures of my dad, all of my dad,

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and like I said, he'd been gone for nine years.

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And to figure that for that one particular day, for

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that memory production to come on is when I needed

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it most. So I have no doubt that my family

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was there with me through the entire cancer.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm getting a little emotional because I've had the

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same experience. I had a twin brother who had died

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of a heart attack ten years ago, and it was funny.

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It took a couple of months and then all of

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a sudden, I had a vivid dream where I found

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myself in just this white It looked like a bathroom

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with all white subway child but there was no urinals

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and dolls, just some columns, but it was all white.

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And I just turned and there was my brother standing

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there smiling at me. Now, it's like what Lee mentioned.

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You would think that you know right away, you would like, oh,

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hug em or you know, be all excited or whatever.

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My brother and I had a very interesting close relationship.

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This shows you what our relationship was. Like I just

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turned and looked at him with a smirk, and I said,

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it's above fucking time you showed.

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Speaker 3: Up, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But then I know we had a conversation. I

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can't remember it, and then he's appeared a couple of

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times since, although it's been a very long time. I

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also lost my spouse three years ago, and they've appeared

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in my dreams a couple of times, very vividly. And

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I still don't get visitations. I think they've gone off

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to do something else and said, you're on your own.

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But yeah, I totally get the experience. It's wonderful when

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it happens.

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Speaker 2: What's amazing about it? Though? You said you don't remember

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the conversation, but I would be willing a bit. You

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still remember what you felt the emotion?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was overwhelmed with emotion. But yeah, still

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maybe if I was went under hypnosis, might babe, maybe

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I might remember it. But I think it was one

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of those things where you're supposed to keep it in

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your subconscious. Yes. So, so you mentioned Regina the first

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place you were investigating. You know what other types of

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things did you experience there?

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Speaker 3: Well, when we were at the Stanley Hotel, and again

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my sister had passed like at that time, it was

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probably going on close to three years. I actually was

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there with the Ghost Adventures crew believe it or not.

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It was before they got really really big and they

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were doing, you know, hosting ghost investigations. So I was

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in the room with Aaron Goodwin and we were doing

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an EVP session and I always laugh and Lease heard

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the story many times. My claim to fame is like

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I was sitting on the bed with Aaron Goodwins. I

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was like, oh, it's in the bed of the Aaron Goodman.

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But anyway, we had a recorder running that was on

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the dresser, and after we got done investigating and went home,

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we actually listened to the recorder and I got three

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EVPs that were all the same male voice, and one

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said my sister's name, which was Nicki, the second one's

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and the first one said where are they? The second

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one said my sister's name, Nikki, and then the third

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one said Nicki's death. And I knew, I knew there

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couldn't be any other explanation but that she was there.

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Maybe she didn't know how to communicate, she communicated through

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this person, or this person was maybe her guide, but

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I knew they were for me. I mean, that's not

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a Marryer or a Wendy or you know, it was Nicky.

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It clearly said NICKI and.

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Speaker 1: Which is not as popular as the other name.

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Speaker 3: No, no oh, And I actually have those EVPs up

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on our website if anybody would like to listen to them.

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But yeah, it was amazing and we were I remember

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me and my friend were like down listening to the

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record and we heard it. We just popped up and

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we looked at each other and I was like, tell

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me you heard what I heard? And she's like, yes,

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that said your sister's name, and we were just like

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it just like blows your mind when you get an

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e VP that just is like so clear and so

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distinctively for you, and it's wild and you're like, yes,

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thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I either for you or intelligent response to a question, Yes,

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those are always fantastic. Lee, What about you? What? What?

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What first investigation did you do?

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Speaker 2: The first investigation I ever did was actually an ambulance

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service that I worked for. I told you about my

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friend that I worked with, you know, she had gotten

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into it. It just so happened that in the ambulance

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bay for over a year there was an ambulance that

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had been wrecked, and in that accident, they lost the

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patient and one of the crew members so we you know,

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like I said, it just sat kind of sealed in

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this one bay area. So we sat there and just

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trying to get different responses. We never did get anything

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as far as an EVP or anything like that. But

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the one thing that I do remember about it was,

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and this kind of introduced me to the hell empathics

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out of it is feeling the emotion that was there.

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It was so heavy, It was so overwhelmingly heavy. It's

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almost like somebody took a black shroud and just threw

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it over my head, you know, and just kind of

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put me in the blackness. But that was the first

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investigation that I ever did with anybody else, And as

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far as EVANDEN, we didn't get a lot. It was

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just everything in here that I can't validate. It's just

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what I know that I felt. The first public investigation

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I ever went on, I did have my voice recorder

475
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,680
tossed off of a headstone and hit somebody in the

476
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,359
foot during the investigation. So that right there was what

477
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,759
was really eye opening. I didn't get it actually flying

478
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,720
off on video, but I got the person as it

479
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,640
hit their foot and you could actually hear it slide

480
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,920
across the headstone. On the voice recorder itself.

481
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,319
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I'll tell you what got me into it.

482
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,480
I moved here to New Jersey going on twenty six

483
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:43,440
years ago, and the house I lived in, which was

484
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,119
an old thirties converted cabin in a lake community, and

485
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,960
they there was activity, and it was one of the

486
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,119
things where I started to look at not just haunted houses,

487
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,640
but things that may be attached to the land, because

488
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,279
I know there were a few houses in my neighborhood

489
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,799
that had activity and I was seeing lights, I heard

490
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,200
my name being called, and it was fascinated me. I

491
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,519
started filming with an old, just regular white light super

492
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:24,200
VHS camera. I caught multiple things, including this thing I

493
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,920
call a flying sock, which looks like a tadpole. In

494
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,160
the video, you see this orb go across the screen,

495
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720
go behind a rocking chair across the room, then shoot out,

496
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:39,319
and as it shoots out, it's tadpole shaped, bulbous head

497
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,759
to a tail and about this big and it goes

498
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,400
flying right past me into the kitchen. And even though

499
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,519
I was mostly watching the screen, I saw my peripheral

500
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:55,119
vision go through there. So I had a local paranormal

501
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,599
team come in investigate. I was hooked join them. Years later,

502
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,440
I formed my own group and I've been investigating for

503
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,599
over twenty years.

504
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome to see something onlike your you know,

505
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,839
number one in your house, but number two like to

506
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,880
capture it is amazing too, because you know how many

507
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,160
times all of us have been on investigations and stuff

508
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,200
happens and you're just like, damn, I didn't have my

509
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,519
camera setup or or I didn't have my recorder running,

510
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:27,680
and it just is like, I mean, nobody could take

511
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000
those experiences away from you. But it's like, oh, I

512
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:31,079
didn't capture it.

513
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:36,359
Speaker 1: Well, that would lead into this, what is your preferred

514
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,960
method for investigation? When you get a place you're going

515
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,799
to investigate, how do you approach it? How many people,

516
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:49,279
what kind of equipment? What works best for you? Go hadly.

517
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,119
Speaker 2: Well, I mean depending on how many people. It just

518
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,279
depends on the location itself, you know. I mean I

519
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,720
don't want to you know, have people in there, you know,

520
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:01,440
but to go and not be able to actually enjoy

521
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,319
the investigation, you know, without wondering, Okay, is that contamination?

522
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,880
Is that that somebody over here passing gas and you

523
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,440
never know, you know, I'm going to keep it kind

524
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,119
of under control as far as the investigation. The equipment, again,

525
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,680
it just it all depends. I've got kind of like

526
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,920
a baseline a few things. Regina makes fun of me

527
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,759
because I always overpack the equipment box. But I do

528
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,119
definitely want a few rimpods. I like to have some

529
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,440
K two's just for other people to use. I love

530
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,480
it when other people are hands on and they actually

531
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,440
tell me about their experiences as it's happening, because you know,

532
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,079
you never know who the spirit or entity might want

533
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:41,640
to talk to you. They may not like me, but

534
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,920
they may love Regina. Like I said, I mean, it

535
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,400
just all just depends on where we are. I mean,

536
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,839
one of my favorite things that I have, and it's

537
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,599
a love hate thing. It's my sols. I love it,

538
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:57,599
but damn that thing is heavy. I built it myself

539
00:31:57,759 --> 00:31:59,680
and I was working for the fire department at the

540
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,799
time as a paramedic, and it was about twenty degrees

541
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,640
outside and I picked up an overtime shift and I

542
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,440
had just got my last component. I'm like, you know what,

543
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,680
I'm gonna take this thing with me and I'll take

544
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,119
it to the fire hall and that's where I put

545
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,279
it together. The captain who was actually there. He said,

546
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:14,720
do you mind if I ask what that is? And

547
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:16,839
I told him what it is and he says, that's

548
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,599
pretty cool. He says, I think I've seen one once

549
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,640
before me and my wife went on an investigation. So

550
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,039
he was kind of, you know, drawn into it. So

551
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,200
as I powered that thing up at the fire hall,

552
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,160
it's it's on a center block wall, that's what it

553
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,480
shined on. And there was a stick figure on that wall.

554
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,200
And I asked him, I said, cap, I said, do

555
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,079
you see what I'm saying? And he's like, yeah, you

556
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,799
know that. I said, there's nothing in there that it

557
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,480
could be. It's a blank wall. So he's sitting here

558
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,880
and he's like hi, and it would throw an arm up,

559
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,599
you know. So we just kind of, you know, just

560
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,359
set there and investigated with that for a little bit.

561
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,599
And I'm sorry, I'm gonna wrap this up. I know

562
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,039
I'm talking a lot. But so anyway, what was really

563
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,279
incredible about it He actually tried to approach the stick

564
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,160
figure and if it was gone, you know, we didn't

565
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,839
find it anymore. So we were looking around the fire

566
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,519
houlow never to find it. And I told him, I said,

567
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:05,880
I've got an idea. I wouldn't get my partner, who

568
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,759
was female, so I asked her. I said, hey, Erica,

569
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,000
I said, come out here. I want to ask you

570
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,200
to do me a favor. And she came out and I

571
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,240
explained to her what was going on. Well, anyway, there

572
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,680
was three chairs set up. She was in the middle chair.

573
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,319
The captain on the engine. He came out and he said,

574
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,359
in the chair, if I was facing him, it would

575
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,920
have been to my right and to the left. There

576
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,680
was a stick figure beside her. It was sitting back

577
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,799
had if you could tell, it's like what's crossed, and

578
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:33,039
his arm was like this right here. He was out

579
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,079
there like them with the best of us. And I've

580
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,440
still got that video as well, and that's one of

581
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,680
my favorite things that I've ever captured, just because it was,

582
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680
you know, at work. I wasn't expecting that. But that

583
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,359
also got made to learning a lot of investigations at

584
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,319
the fire halls and they'll turn up something anyway. I'm sorry,

585
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,480
Please go ahead, Rein fine.

586
00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:01,119
Speaker 1: You're fine, no problem, no problem. You know, as far

587
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,680
as equipment goes, I personally find when you stick to

588
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:10,480
the basics, I mean, there's lots of good toys out

589
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,039
there to play with. Some just kind of are repetitive.

590
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,719
I don't trust apps that are on phone or tablets

591
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,440
because they can be pre programmed. You know, they're for

592
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:30,159
entertainment purposes only. I like a rempod. I like my

593
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,199
I have trifield meters. But you know what, just a

594
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,199
good night vision camera, still camera and a digital recorder.

595
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,199
That's all you really need. And trust me, people, when

596
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,400
you're you see these shows or they have like multiple

597
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,119
cameras set up, they got maybe eight cameras set up

598
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,239
in a location. The one thing they never really show

599
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,440
you in this is you have if those each of

600
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,760
those cameras ran for like six hours, you have to

601
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,079
watch six hours footage from every single camera and it

602
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:09,119
is boring, boring, boring, but you hope for that one

603
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:13,159
instant you capture something that's exciting exactly.

604
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: That's the hardest part that people don't understand is the

605
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,239
evidence review. And especially with the TV shows, it's like, oh,

606
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,079
that's all they got when they were there, and it's like, well, yeah,

607
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,280
but they had eight hours, ten cameras, eight hours each

608
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,800
of footage that they had to roll through. It's a lot.

609
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: Yep, it's that's The thing about investigation, people don't understand

610
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,519
the dedication it takes. It's not just going out and

611
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:44,159
hoping you have some experiences, because a lot of times

612
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:48,159
you won't. But then maybe you will capture something on

613
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:52,880
your equipment later. And I find EVPs are one of

614
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,800
the things that fascinate me the most. I mean, whether

615
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,119
they're intelligent or not, it's just to get a human

616
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:07,079
voice that is not coming from anywhere. It's digital recorders,

617
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:10,599
not picking up radio waves. I used to have a

618
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,679
mechanical engineer on my team, so he used to always

619
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,239
go through and explain it like, Nope, that can't happen.

620
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:25,400
And I've I've heard, I've been cussed out one time.

621
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,440
I can call the son of a bitch. I've got men, women,

622
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,639
other voices. The other thing is tell me your opinion

623
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,880
on this. And a lot of the shows, especially old

624
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,840
ghost Hunters and even present day Ghost Adventures, they use

625
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:50,280
those old sony recorders that drive me crazy because they're

626
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,360
so staticky and garbled. And yet I think they use

627
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,679
them because they think they're getting more EVPs. And most

628
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,880
of the time when they're playing it your garbage. If

629
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,119
I want an EVP, I want it to be crystal clear,

630
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,039
even if it's faint. I mean, I don't know what's

631
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:07,559
your opinion.

632
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: You know, we see them use all different kinds of

633
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,039
voice recorders, and I think it's just where the level

634
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:19,519
and the vibration and the and the voice falls within

635
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:25,800
those parameters, because I've had some Class aevps that are crystal,

636
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,639
crystal clear, there's no denying it what it's saying. And

637
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,519
then you get some that are are mumbled and jarbled,

638
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:34,760
and you know, the voice is not anybody that was

639
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,719
in the room, especially with me, like being an all

640
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,840
female team, when we get male voices, I mean, there's

641
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,400
nobody in the room faking a man's voice, I think.

642
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,440
And again it could be, and we won't know until

643
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,199
we're over there. But maybe it's the age of the spirit.

644
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,440
Maybe it's the the intelligent of the spirit.

645
00:37:58,639 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: You know.

646
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: Maybe some can come through easier than others can come through.

647
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:03,400
Some don't know how to come through yet it just

648
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,440
becomes a muffled. But again, how do you explain a

649
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,119
spirit who doesn't have a voice box.

650
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:18,639
Speaker 1: To be talking, especially when you're right there and you

651
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:23,920
don't hear it, but the electronic device picks it up. Yes,

652
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,599
and that's the one thing that always fascinates me. Is

653
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:30,199
it because of a different range of frequency that it's

654
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,119
able to pick up and we can't hear it, But

655
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:36,079
then when you're playing it back you technically we wouldn't

656
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:37,880
be able to hear it either if it was totally

657
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,880
different frequency.

658
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 3: But is it kind of like the light spectrum too,

659
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,880
Like you know, we see these cameras that can can

660
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,079
detect different light spectrums, and you see it on the camera,

661
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,119
but you don't see it with your own eyes because

662
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,920
we can't see that spectrum of light. Is the sound

663
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,199
and the voice waves the same, that's side we can

664
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,599
hear and some we can't.

665
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: Something that I would really like an engineer to talk

666
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,760
about about recorders and if they could do pick up

667
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,599
more in those spectrums than what we hear, And if

668
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,280
it does pick something up, can it play it back

669
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,679
in a way that we can hear it. I mean,

670
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,840
that seems to be the case, but I'd like to

671
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,360
know because if that doesn't happen, then there's a definite

672
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,559
different phenomenon going on that we can't explain.

673
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: One thing I would like to touch on, if you

674
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,280
don't mind. You were talking about picking up human voices.

675
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,400
You know, anybody that watches your show, I'd love for

676
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,519
them to pay attention on non human voices. And when

677
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:39,679
I say that, I don't mean go dark or anything

678
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,880
like that. But one of my favorite vps I've ever captured,

679
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,400
and I want your opinion on this as well. Reginas

680
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,920
heard it. It was at a plantation, a plantation called Rosemont,

681
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,280
and they were famous for thoroughbred horses. They would read

682
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,519
Thoroughbred horses. I don't know if you're familiar with the

683
00:39:55,559 --> 00:40:00,360
Kentucky Derby winners, but they breathed the secretariut. Okay, there

684
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,920
had not been a horse on this property in well

685
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,000
over twenty years. The town grew up around it because

686
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,360
you know, the land got smaller and smaller. They kept

687
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,079
selling it up piece by piece, held an investigation there

688
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,320
what not. And I was in the office of the

689
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,719
guy that owned it. And there's Clear's day and you

690
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,159
could hear it on one of my video cameras as

691
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:26,639
well as the bush recorder, a big horse winning and

692
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,079
it sounded like it was just like right outside and

693
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:32,639
you know, and I played that we were actually doing

694
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:34,679
a public event, and everybody's like, was that a horse?

695
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,159
I'm like satted like a horse. Lets we want it?

696
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,599
You know. We played it back a couple of times

697
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,760
and it was Clear's day. So I mean, I'm sure

698
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,800
that it was probably you know, residual, probably just because

699
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,840
of the whole property itself. But the fact that I

700
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,840
caught a horse and you know that it was on

701
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,119
that property at one point in history, I don't know.

702
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:57,599
I just love that. What do you think about like

703
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:59,400
animal voices and such?

704
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: Well, I think this is going to lead into something else.

705
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,960
But what I think we're dealing with in cases like that,

706
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,639
even sometimes with the human EVPs we capture, may not

707
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:20,079
necessarily be a spirit. I've been really doing a lot

708
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:28,360
of research lately into time slips and overlapping times impure

709
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,639
because there's the theory that all time is really happening

710
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,239
at once. It's not linear, so conditions can sometimes be

711
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:44,360
right for something from another time come through. Perfect example,

712
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,280
I was investigating an old grissmill here in New Jersey

713
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,920
called the Red and Mill. It's a big museum, and

714
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,880
right next door was a rock quarry that went back

715
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,880
into the eighteen hundreds, and we caught so much of

716
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,840
and it's at this museum. It was incredible But one

717
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,159
thing was interesting is on my video camera I had

718
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480
up on the fourth floor. It's me in front of

719
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,599
the camera. You can see me talking, and all of

720
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:20,239
a sudden, there's this loud boom, this explosion. I didn't

721
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,559
hear it. It came up on the camera. And then

722
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,039
when I'm reserviewing it, I realized they had a dynamite

723
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,400
shack they used to blast and I think that's what

724
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,440
I caught. It wasn't anything in the nearby town, not

725
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:40,280
a car backfiring. It had that deep resonance of an explosion,

726
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:46,039
and I you know, some people call that residual, and

727
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,880
I'm beginning to have different ideas on residual these days.

728
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:55,000
Some people talk about the stone tape theory that what's

729
00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:00,000
in the ground, crystal granite, running water, whatever, collects energy

730
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,719
and repeats it. And I don't know, just my opinion.

731
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,760
You can tell me your thoughts on it is. It's

732
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,000
not like that. It's really another a past event happening

733
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,840
in real time that leads through into our time.

734
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I can I can see that. Would

735
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,960
it fall along the same lines as reincarnation, like you've

736
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:32,800
you've lived another life and you're coming across the same

737
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,480
people and the same spiritual soul family and and you know,

738
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,000
you're just on a different dimension now than you were before.

739
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,199
And do those ever overlap and that's why you're meeting

740
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,199
the same people like like are we just in layers?

741
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's sometimes it makes my head hurt

742
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,840
thinking about it. But another example of for this theory,

743
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,440
and then we'll move on is my friend in the UK, Ireen,

744
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,079
you know, and she's a very very sensitive and one

745
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,320
time she was touring a house they were looking to buy,

746
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,199
and she went upstairs by herself, opened up the door

747
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,119
of the room and there is this woman in Edwardian

748
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,679
period made clothing servants, clothing working and when she opened

749
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,400
the door, that person looked at her. They locked eyes,

750
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,800
both of their jaws dropped open in surprise, and then

751
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:46,360
the woman vanished. So what would be more logical if

752
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,119
you're gonna use Akham's rasor here that it's Some people

753
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,000
would say it's a spirit of a servant who died.

754
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,400
They don't know they died and they're going about doing

755
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,800
their business or whatever. Or was it a momentary slip

756
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:06,159
in time and dimensions where two very much living breathing

757
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,119
human beings actually saw each other for a brief moment

758
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,960
and before the phenomenon went away.

759
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: In a mind of another experience I had with my partner.

760
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,360
And I know I'm long on telling stories. I don't

761
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,519
want to bring that up, but you just brought that up.

762
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: I think it's possible. I do truly believe that it

763
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:33,760
is possible.

764
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much we don't know. I keep learning.

765
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,000
After all these years, I keep learning, So I know

766
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:49,800
that's something we all do. So let's talk about things

767
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,559
that you've experienced or certain investigations. What is your favorite

768
00:45:55,679 --> 00:46:01,199
either location experience, what has really made you go wow.

769
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: There's so many, Like after so many years, there's so

770
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,159
so many. Obviously, the Stanley Hotel was a wow moment

771
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:16,440
for me to actually get that personalized message. I was

772
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,519
at the Limp Mansion in Saint Louis and that was

773
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,199
the first time I ever heard my name on come

774
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,480
over on a spirit box Claire's Day, said Regina. I

775
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,280
mean that was like a wow moment. Wow, they know

776
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,880
that I'm here, Like these ones can actually interact and

777
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:39,159
see me. It's not you know, just you know, on

778
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,760
a repeat or residual or whatever. You want to call

779
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:48,599
it wow. I mean I've I've had experiences where I've

780
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:52,840
been touched. I've had experiences where I've only heard something

781
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,920
in my ear and nobody else has. I mean, there's

782
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:01,320
just I can't nail down just one because so many

783
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,440
after so many years. But also like working with a

784
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,480
historian and validating that, you know, the spirit that we're

785
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,400
speaking with was an actual person, that's pretty amazing as well.

786
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: Sure what about Yulik.

787
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,039
Speaker 2: One of the first investigations I did with Regina was

788
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,039
actually at the wash Show out in Virginia City, Nevada.

789
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:24,960
Like I said, I met her just a couple of

790
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,920
times at a public event that you know, they allowed

791
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,559
us to have at their facility. So I didn't know

792
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,119
really anything about her. I mean, I thought, this woman's

793
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:33,639
kind of hateful. I don't know if she likes me

794
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,000
or not. You know, I was kind of, you know,

795
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,519
towing the line around her. So anyway, we started investigating

796
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,800
and in the old wash Show club, we were in

797
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,480
one of the Ladies of the Night, that's what they

798
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:47,599
prefer to be called in the office, miss Julia. So

799
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,760
we're in there and I'm trying to elicit a response

800
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:55,159
and and this, this whole moment was the wow wow factor.

801
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,679
I'm trying to elicit a response. I'm in there calling

802
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,440
out to Miss Julia, saying that I would like to,

803
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,119
you know, set up some ladies in the night for

804
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:06,400
the night. Regina looks at me, and what I remember

805
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:08,639
so much, it wasn't Regina, but I mean it was

806
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:11,400
her body or physical body looked at me and and

807
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:14,679
almost a different voice said, you're lying. I said what?

808
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,440
And she said, you are lying. She turned towards me

809
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:24,840
and started getting borderline aggressive, and her teammates and one

810
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,159
of my teammates they kind of, you know, just got

811
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,280
her out of that room and what we got out

812
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,679
and Regina's like, I what happened?

813
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:32,679
Speaker 1: You know?

814
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: And that was kind of like a wild factor. But

815
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,159
what was wow about it is because what I was,

816
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:39,079
I have no doubt that I was talking to Miss Julia,

817
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:44,480
and because it definitely wasn't Regina. And that is when

818
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,400
I saw Regina as much more than just an investigator

819
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,440
and a friend. It's like our connection was made.

820
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: Well, Regina, have you ever channeled like that before?

821
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: One other time before that, I was at Saint Albans

822
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,480
in Radford, Virginia, was in the same asylum, and there

823
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,400
was three of us that went into a room and

824
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,119
it was set up like a school room with a

825
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:15,039
chalkboard in desks. The other two investigators went off to

826
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:18,039
one side, sat down and were starting a spirit box session.

827
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:21,920
And I was actually at the chalkboard, just kind of doodling,

828
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,679
and I could hear them turn on the spirit box.

829
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,440
And I was in there for nine minutes and thirty

830
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,320
seven seconds only because my recorder was running for that long,

831
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,280
and it started to sound like I was in a tunnel,

832
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,880
and I could hear them, but they kept getting farther

833
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:43,719
and farther away. They said I did not respond to

834
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,440
them calling my name. I was just at the chalkboard,

835
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,519
just still holding the chalkboard, facing it, and they said

836
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:53,880
I finally turned around and my face was not my face,

837
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,960
it was somebody else, and they scooped me up and

838
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,800
took me out of the building. I don't remember we

839
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,679
were on the second floor. I don't remember going down

840
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,599
the stairs. I don't remember going outside. All I remember

841
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,360
is hearing them. But it kept getting farther and farther away,

842
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,159
so I think something was trying to either enter me

843
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,039
or had entered me and was trying to take over

844
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,000
channel through me. I don't know, but those are the

845
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,719
only two instances where I had something like that happen.

846
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,519
And with the one with Lee was it was very

847
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:29,679
very intense feeling like I knew I was there, but

848
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,800
I didn't know I was speaking. And all I could

849
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,960
think of was he is soliciting, but he's lying because

850
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,079
he doesn't have the money to give to me. And

851
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,360
that's why I was almost up in his space, like.

852
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: You're a liar, you are really aggressive. I'm backing up

853
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,039
from it.

854
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so only twice.

855
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: That's enough.

856
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 3: I don't really prefer it something that I looked that happened,

857
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,960
but it has happened.

858
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,159
Speaker 1: Now.

859
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,519
Speaker 3: I do have instances where the more and longer that

860
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,760
I investigate, I do start to over the past few years,

861
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,440
get things that just and only for simple terms is

862
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,559
they just pop in my head and I've learned to

863
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,960
just say them because I think that's a way of

864
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,519
them communicating, Like what's your name? And I'll say a name,

865
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,119
you know, where are you at? Oh, I'm standing over here?

866
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,920
Like does things just pop into my head just like

867
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:24,800
answers or things that I wouldn't know about the location

868
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,639
pop into my head and I've just learned to say

869
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,840
them out loud. So I don't know if that is

870
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,280
a form of channeling. I'm not sure.

871
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: I've experienced that though, too, and sometimes I look at

872
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,960
it as downloaded knowledge. I'll be in a location, a

873
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:46,000
name will come to me. I'm not psychic by any means,

874
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:51,320
but I mean I have received downloads of information while

875
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,079
I'm in places, and I've been able to validate it later. Right,

876
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:00,159
So that's again something else that's really fascinating.

877
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: I think that certain people, and this is just my opinion,

878
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,159
when you go into a location, certain people are like

879
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,519
beacons of light to them. They can see them more clearly.

880
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:15,320
The spirits can see us. Lee, you see us more clearly.

881
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,039
Know that we're more open to communication than other people,

882
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:20,679
you know, because some people go in there and they're

883
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,360
very closed off. And it's like you have to go in,

884
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,840
in my opinion, with an open mind and an open heart. Yes,

885
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,039
be protected, but go in with an open minded, an

886
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:33,159
open heart, and willing to receive those messages. And we're

887
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,159
just like beacons. We're like, oh, let me go over

888
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,239
here and talk to these people because I can see them.

889
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,320
I can hear them. Where these people I can't or

890
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,880
don't even know that they're there.

891
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: Have you, either of you, ever experimented with which I

892
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,599
have not. I forget what they call it, where they

893
00:52:54,599 --> 00:53:00,000
have a person sitting down blindfolded with noise canceling headphone.

894
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 3: That's his method.

895
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,519
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, and you have used that?

896
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:10,559
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, I've actually done it with two people using

897
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:16,000
two separate spirit boxes and getting the same responses.

898
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,159
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

899
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:20,599
Speaker 2: That was the house, wasn't every gena?

900
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: That was actually at the Old Stone Jail?

901
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: Okay on the museum side.

902
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. You said that you've never dealt with

903
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:44,440
anything you considered demonic, but have you what is your

904
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:51,119
most let's say, intense experience that maybe wasn't that pleasant,

905
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,079
you know, maybe not demonic per se, but maybe even

906
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,880
let's say a pissed off ghost. Have you ever dealt

907
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,199
with that?

908
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: Well, mon was miss Julia, I'll revert back to that again.

909
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,960
Came through with Regina. I thought she was gonna push

910
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,599
me out a window, So that's probably one.

911
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:10,679
Speaker 1: Okay.

912
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: You know, I've come across some nasty people, and again

913
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,719
you have to think if they were not nice in life,

914
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,840
then they're not going to be nice in death. We've

915
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,119
all obviously all been told to get the fuck out.

916
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,719
You know. Lee and I were just on an investigation

917
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,719
a few months ago where we had through the spirit box.

918
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,239
It was like shut the fuck up, like it literally said,

919
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,679
shut the fuck up. Male, and with with me and

920
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,559
Lee talking, it didn't. It didn't like us and didn't

921
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:41,880
want us to be there. I've had instances where I've

922
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,199
you know, had unwanted touch and it just just like,

923
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,840
don't do that, You're not allowed to. But never anything

924
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:56,199
that I would consider demonic. Just nasty people, not happy people.

925
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: Right right?

926
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:03,559
Speaker 2: Have you have you had anything like that? I'm just

927
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:08,960
curious me. Yeah, I hearing your stories as well. It

928
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,599
really did.

929
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: H Yes, one of the very first investigations I did

930
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:18,039
with the first team I joined, we investigated a house

931
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:20,679
out on Long Island and.

932
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: No, no, okay, I had to ask.

933
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:32,199
Speaker 1: Long Island is huge by the way the we were

934
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,079
I was very skeptical going in because there was something

935
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,719
about this guy that just screamed he wanted attention, and

936
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,679
so I didn't think anything was going to happen. Well,

937
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,719
I started feeling this pressure in my chest and an

938
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:55,199
anxiety that I couldn't explain, and then I went upstairs

939
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:03,079
and feeling was overwhelming, and it was one of the

940
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,880
first times I realized something didn't want me.

941
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: There.

942
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: I was with a couple of other female members, one

943
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,360
of them who was very sensitive, and she was telling

944
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,400
me that there was a man who didn't like me,

945
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:20,039
felt threatened by me because he didn't like other men

946
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:23,559
around him, and was trying to get me to leave.

947
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,920
And at one point, the one and only time I

948
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:32,360
ever had to leave and go outside, and once I

949
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,599
did that, it all evaporated. So then when I went

950
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,800
back inside it started again. But I knew what I

951
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,719
was up against, so I kind of was able to

952
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,679
put up my defenses, push back a little bit and

953
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,079
say I'm not going anywhere. So that was a real

954
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:53,960
intense experience. There was another one where I was investigating

955
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,159
a house here in Jersey where they said they were

956
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:03,840
experiencing some extreme activemty. The mother said she was pushed

957
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,360
down the stairs once her kids were having horrible nightmares.

958
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:13,719
And we went there just to do a preliminary, me

959
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,719
and one other investigator, and as we're there, I had

960
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,199
that exact same feeling again. Something was trying to get

961
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:24,840
me to leave. The other investigator got hit by an

962
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:32,119
electric shock that was not static electricity, and it was very,

963
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:35,719
very interesting. So when we finished, we walked out into

964
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,679
the driveway to the car to talk a little bit.

965
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,239
It followed us outside. I was still trying to get

966
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,280
us to leave, so I finally we got our cars

967
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,119
and as I drove away, then it dissipated. Now, ironically,

968
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:55,679
when we went back with our team it hit, it

969
00:57:55,679 --> 00:58:00,000
wouldn't come out. So that's the one thing people need

970
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:05,280
to understand too with investigating. These things don't perform on command. Now,

971
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:08,440
they could like dormant, don't want to deal with you,

972
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,480
and then occasionally come out and do things.

973
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: Somebody I work with they asked me, They says, how

974
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,559
do you know that these ghosts are not just sitting

975
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:23,119
around washing TV. You walk in and they're like, oh crap,

976
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:24,559
I got to get up and do some ghost shit.

977
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:25,440
Now they're back.

978
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:25,719
Speaker 1: You know.

979
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I think it exactly what

980
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:33,039
you were talking about. You're right, they're not performers people.

981
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:36,679
Speaker 1: I also think time works differently for them. They're not

982
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:41,280
like like us. In this type of consciousness. I think

983
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,000
it's almost a type of dream state. They still have

984
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:50,559
a type of consciousness, they can react to things, but

985
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:56,800
I think time moves differently for them. So one last

986
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,639
question I wanted to get out to you. Now, I

987
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:07,119
know you don't investigate private homes, Lee, does have you

988
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:18,119
ever investigated old caves or minds? Yes?

989
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: We were actually asked to be guest investigators at the

990
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,320
bell Witch Cave.

991
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: Of all places, Okay, and.

992
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,079
Speaker 3: If people aren't familiar with the bell Witch Cave, it

993
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:36,320
was the first documented ghost paranormal experience in the US

994
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:42,679
long history, you can look it up. Anyway. We were

995
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:47,360
tasked to camp out in the actual cave all night,

996
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:52,559
and we had some stuff happen. I mean Lee had

997
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,199
more things happen, but we did hear things, we did

998
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,440
experience things. I'll let Lee tell you his experiences that

999
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,880
he had. But the bottom line be came when we

1000
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:06,639
left the cave and we were warned not to take

1001
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,480
anything with us, which we did, and we didn't take

1002
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,400
any rocks or anything. A lot of people do and

1003
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,559
have to return them. It was really odd because Lee

1004
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,360
had some stuff happened at his home afterwards. But we

1005
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:21,760
both got really, really sick, like sick from being in

1006
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,760
that cave for had to be at least ten hours.

1007
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: Lee.

1008
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, more like we were. You know, different groups would

1009
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,159
come in and we do our session, and but we

1010
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:34,320
did find some interesting stuff and Lee can tell you about.

1011
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: That well as far as the evidence that we captured.

1012
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,239
One of the best things that we captured. I don't

1013
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:43,280
know how much you know about the story of Kate

1014
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,960
Bess the Wide Shift Tennessee. She was a shape shifter

1015
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,400
and a lot of reports said that she would shape

1016
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,719
shift into a four legged animal. Look a big world

1017
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:56,840
for adult One video that we have. I've got a

1018
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,519
still camera set up and it showed Regina's then and

1019
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:03,199
they're just steelers can be holding a voice recorder. Everybody

1020
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:06,679
in there is when we investigate, everybody sits to you know,

1021
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,000
and if somebody does maybe you know, we announced what

1022
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,920
that he is, you know, whether it's a noise or whatever.

1023
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,000
On the shadow on the wall behind Regina. You could

1024
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:19,480
see very clearly a four legged shadow just go across

1025
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:23,880
the screen behind Regina. And we shouted to the people

1026
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,679
that were actually hosting it and they're like, you know,

1027
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,519
just jaw dropped in. Wow. Another personal experience that I

1028
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:32,800
had during that that not I was pissed at Regina

1029
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,920
and everybody in that cave. Once you walk into the cave,

1030
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,400
it's got about a corridor, I don't know, about fifty

1031
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:42,000
yards long and it's about this wide, you know, and

1032
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:44,960
it's just solid rock all around. While we were in

1033
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,599
the cave, there was a pretty bad thunderstorm and we

1034
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:49,559
kept everybody in there instead of trying to get back

1035
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:51,400
up the hill out. We just kept everybody in the

1036
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,480
cave during the storm, which knocked trees down, branches down,

1037
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,519
and everything else. Of course. But I went out to

1038
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,000
the cave entrance to have a cigarette, you know, because

1039
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,400
they had a little overhang. While I'm sitting out there

1040
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,559
by myself to the right, I see this. It's almost

1041
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:08,519
like a ball of smoke. And it came up the

1042
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,039
hill in front of me, went across to me and

1043
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:13,880
then down to the river. And I'm just like, you know,

1044
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:18,440
s done. So I screaming to the cave. Regina. Nothing, Regina, nothing.

1045
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,920
And I yelled in that cave, Regina, and I'm screaming,

1046
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,960
and like I said, it's all just solid rock. So

1047
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:27,360
I'm like, what the hell? So I went in there

1048
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,760
and I went in there and I said, Regina, I said,

1049
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,519
where the hell y'all being They're like, what are you

1050
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,760
talking about? I said, you did not hear me screaming?

1051
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,519
And they said, no, we didn't hear anything. Regina says

1052
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:40,280
that they didn't hear anything, although I still wonder about that.

1053
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,719
Speaker 3: There was like eight of us in the cave and

1054
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,599
we did not hear him yelling at all.

1055
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: Being out there by myself, you know, it kind of

1056
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:50,639
freaked me out what I saw with this little ball

1057
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:53,280
of smoke. So I just wanted somebody else to come out,

1058
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,280
and she never, she never came. She left me there.

1059
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:04,519
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, I'll tell you one story. I was in

1060
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:09,840
Colorado several years ago visiting my family and outside of

1061
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:15,119
Colorado Springs, actually going up the pass up into the mountains,

1062
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,639
there is a tourist attraction called Cave of the Winds.

1063
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:23,280
It's a natural cave system that was discovered about one

1064
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,880
hundred years ago and it's been an operation ever since. Now,

1065
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,320
what I find interesting about these types of situations like

1066
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:40,039
the bell Witch Cave or old mines, these types of

1067
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:46,239
places which seem to attract paranormal activity. And what's interesting

1068
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,599
is this cave no one ever died in. No one

1069
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:56,920
died and the Native Indians who lived in the area

1070
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:01,199
never went in it because it was so deep that

1071
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,760
there's this area in the very back of the cave

1072
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,679
where I investigated, that is about two hundred feet under

1073
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:15,119
solid rock, about a thousand feet or more from the

1074
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,920
main entrance, through a bunch of twists and turns and

1075
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,679
lo low openings that you had to crawl through to

1076
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:27,840
get to this open chamber at the back. And I

1077
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,960
can't believe the amount of activity we caught there. Voices

1078
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:38,800
telling us to get out, growls, lots of light anomalies captured.

1079
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:45,920
One that really fascinates me is I was filming against

1080
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:51,960
this rock wall, and these bright lights kept appearing in

1081
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:56,440
the cracks of the rocks, and they would they would

1082
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:59,920
come in like this, and then after a moment they

1083
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:03,760
fade out, and then a minute or so later they

1084
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,440
would appear in another part of the rock. And I

1085
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,519
caught all this on video. Very clear. There's no insects,

1086
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,639
because back at that part of the cave, it's sterile,

1087
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:20,280
no animals of any kind, no reflective surfaces because it

1088
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:25,599
was limestone, not granite, and yet these lights would appear

1089
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:32,360
and disappear, and there was definitely something intelligent in there,

1090
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:38,119
So now begs the question, what is it. I investigated

1091
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:40,920
a gold mine once too, and it's the same situation.

1092
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:43,199
Now there people died in the mind, so you could

1093
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,679
explain it. But when you get these locations where people

1094
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:50,519
have not died, why are there people or why are

1095
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:56,320
their intelligences in the caves? Which leads me to another

1096
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,639
topic we can talk about another time. Leads me to

1097
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:06,159
think that we're dealing with elemental type entities. You know,

1098
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:09,760
the old miners used to call them tommy knockers and

1099
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,960
but definitely not human, but can communicate and let you

1100
01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:17,960
know that they don't want you there.

1101
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 3: Right right where we used to have the location the

1102
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:28,840
Opera House here in Tennessee. Over seven years, we were

1103
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,320
told many times by different mediums that there was an

1104
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:36,719
elemental there, and it made sense because the basement half

1105
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,480
of it was still just regular dirt and it was

1106
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:44,440
located on the trail of tears. So we know that

1107
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:50,320
the Cherokee Indians summered there and I'm sure did lots

1108
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:56,079
of ritualistic things that could have brought something to that land.

1109
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:58,320
But yeah, we have been told many times that there's

1110
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,800
an elemental there, and it always us to get out

1111
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:02,400
like it doesn't want us there.

1112
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to mention Regina on the towns where you

1113
01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:09,000
know the other piece of history at town had right.

1114
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,199
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's home of the KKK.

1115
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: So I had a lot of violence and tragedy there

1116
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,159
with that as well.

1117
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a shame.

1118
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:24,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's really a bloodstub town. Yeah.

1119
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: Well we've come to the end of the interview here.

1120
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,320
Thank you so much both for being here. Regina. I'll

1121
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,000
start with you, where can people find your website or

1122
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:39,840
if they want to contact you, what's what's the best

1123
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:40,639
way people can do.

1124
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 3: We have all the social media, we have Facebook, TikTok, Instagram.

1125
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:49,159
We do have a website. It's all listed under PPF Investigations,

1126
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:54,639
and our contact information is on especially the social media.

1127
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,559
You can contact us through there. We do occasionally host

1128
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,280
public events and we've some on our social media if

1129
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,760
we do. But we would love for you guys to

1130
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,079
follow us and watch our journey and interact with us,

1131
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:10,559
and you know, we'd love to hear from you. So

1132
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,599
if you have any questions, please reach out.

1133
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: Okay and Lee, just contact Regina. I'm kidding, madam. Just

1134
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,720
a view of the social platforms medics for paranormal. That's

1135
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,920
the number four not spelled out Medics four paranormal on Facebook.

1136
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,520
Also medics four Paranormal at gmail dot com. And I'm

1137
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,199
not progressed at TikTok yet because, like I said earlier,

1138
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,039
I'm not very tech savvy, but I'm trying lowerdows. I try.

1139
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:40,239
I'd love to hear from anybody that has any questions

1140
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:44,720
wants to reach out something that I'm about to start doing.

1141
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:46,840
I just to touch on this, and I'd love to

1142
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,279
hear other experiences. I'm a Catholic priest who's a demonologist,

1143
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:52,880
a very good friend of mine, and he asked me

1144
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,239
if I would ever if needed a company on a case,

1145
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,439
and I said, what do you mean by that? He said, well,

1146
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,159
I'd like to be outside just as a medical personnel

1147
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,159
in case needed, and I pulled them I would, and

1148
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,239
that's going to be a new adventure coming. I've been

1149
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,000
trying to do a lot of homework and research, so

1150
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,760
I would love to hear from anybody on that. And

1151
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,399
the only reason that I'm even considering doing it, The

1152
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:19,399
only reason is because these people are desperate need help,

1153
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,600
and if I can do anything to help, I want

1154
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,439
absolutely yea, and if.

1155
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 3: Anybody, if anybody's in that, we're located in the middle

1156
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,119
Tennessee area. So if you're ever interested in possibly going

1157
01:09:32,119 --> 01:09:34,800
on a ghost hont or just have questions, please reach

1158
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,680
out to either of us for more than willing to

1159
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,760
help bring you along or show you the ropes or

1160
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:42,399
whatever you need.

1161
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,159
Speaker 1: Okay, well again, thank you both so much. This has

1162
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:49,439
been a great interview. I know we have a lot more,

1163
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,960
many stories to tell. I'll have to have you both

1164
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:52,960
come back sometimes.

1165
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: We would love that.

1166
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much, thank you for having us.

1167
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,880
Thank you, and that wraps up our first show of

1168
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,960
twenty twenty six. Thank you all for tuning in, and

1169
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:10,199
you can listen to the audio portion of this on

1170
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:15,479
our network radio station, the Paranormal UK Radio Network at

1171
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:20,560
paukradio dot com that is also distributed to all major

1172
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,279
podcast outlets like Apple, Samsung, you name it. And then

1173
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:30,560
of course the youtwoe is here on YouTube under Melissa

1174
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,319
Lee's channel m I L I S SA L E

1175
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,680
I g H. So until next time, I hope you

1176
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,479
all had a wonderful New Year, and we're going to

1177
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,800
be traveling into twenty twenty six and see what happens

1178
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,119
from there, So until then, you all be good humans

1179
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:49,359
and we'll talk with you soon