Speaker 1: When it comes to Texas bigfoot, one name comes to
mind immediately Luke Gross. For me, Luke is the person
responsible for putting Texas on the map when it comes
to the Sasquatch phenomenon. A true pioneer in bigfoot research, Luke,
in my opinion, is one of the most knowledgeable and
experienced bigfooters out there and a true treasure trove of information.
I've known Luke for a long long time and we
lost touch for many years, but recently we were able
to reconnect and I was fortunate enough to have him
on the show. So, without further ado, mister Luke Gross,
it's been a long time, man.
Speaker 2: It's been Yeah, it's been a real long time years
as a matter of fact. But hey, that's okay. I
just went totally independent, totally independent and did my own thing,
hooked up with another guy, and uh found an amazing
research area and that ran out, ran out. First night
we went in there, we were run out, and then
that was an experience heard the most fierce area I
ever heard in my life. Of course, I was in
the middle of its home. So if somebody come into
my home, yeah, you're gonna give a run out too.
So it's you know, and I've learned so much and
in my in my journey, my long, long journey, I've
earned a done and uh learn learn a lot of
respect for a not necessarily the research community. Uh, the
research community has changed so much. And I'm sure you've
seen it. It's one. You know how I was analytical, documentation,
document everything, everything, everything. I'm still that way, but uh,
everybody else is, well, I'm going to go out for
the experience. Okay, you know, yeah, you're gonna you might
hear one, you might see one, but have you learned
anything about them? And that's that was my As soon
as I seen that one, a lone note on my
mom's from poor to that time, dude, it was like,
I have to know it's not supposed to be here,
so I have to know what it is, what they did,
where they come from, everything.
Speaker 3: So that that was my journey, dude. The beginning, Well,
let's start there. Let's start with that day at your
mom's house. Okay, just kind of walk us through it.
Speaker 1: What happened.
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you my first encounter, my first
siding was oh gosh, it was in nineteen eighty four.
That's a long long time ago. My wife and I
at the time we lived in Garland, Texas, and my
mom and brother had moved out. It was east of Greenville,
I guess it was about twenty miles east in east
of northeast of Lonoak, Texas. So anyway, my wife and
I would travel to my mom's and visit on the weekend. Well,
it was I guess about it was November, but it
was anice November. It wasn't cold at all, and so
she had the front door open. It was a mobile
home and there was a storm door, the last storm door,
so we had that open, and we was the watching TV.
She was sitting in a recliner and I was sitting
on the floor next to her, and all of a sudden, Oh,
let me preface that with this. She owned fifteen cats
at the time, and there was a little bench on
her front porch. In the porch was probably three feet
off the ground, and she had a bench on the
front porch where she kept these her old aluminum skillets
at and she would feed the cats and she would
fill them up and the cats would get up there
and eat their food. So anyway, I was sitting on
the floor next to her, and the next thing, I
knew she'd been to a word and leaned over and
tapped me on, you see that, And so I kind
of leaned over in front of her and I looked
towards the front door, and on the right side where
that cat food was, there was a sashquatch standing there.
It had got cat food, I guess it since we
was watching it. And it turned and it walked directly,
I mean directly towards the door, and it kind of
went back and forth a couple of times, turned left
and walked off the porch. And the funny thing is,
after all these years, I've never seen the face of
the sasquatch. And I can tell you because that first
sighting I had, the head was above the door, and
the shoulders were as white as the door, if not wider.
And anyway, I scooted back super fast. I mean scared me.
I wouln't. Yeah, I've hyped all over the country and
back packed and stayed in the woods and forest and
mountains for a week or two at a time. I've
never seen anything honey dish fished. All my life, I'd
never seen anything like it. And I said, that is
not supposed to be here. Crazy, you know, you have
something out the of a cardboard box and carry and
it's on the front porch and it's over seven feet home.
Oh man, no, that's not supposed to be here. And
it walked on two legs. And so that was That
was the beginning of my journey. But things, things have
been taking place there prior to that. Side. Anyway, I'll
let me say this. I sat there probably five minutes.
I scooted back to the back wall and I sat
there five minutes and I finally got enough courage up
to go crack the door and kind of peek out.
There was nothing there. I was kind of happy about
that at the time, but anyway, yeah, I was. But
things have been going on previously to that. They were
throwing rocks at the back of the house and coming
up and slapping the side of the house because it
was a new home. And come to find out, it
was a hog farm before that. And across road was
a fifty acre lake and coming from the lake on
a fence line. Oh across the road there was a
fence line and it had probably twenty five feet of
trees on each side of it. Well, they were traveling
from the lake up to that spot, and right there
on the side of it was a staging area. So
what I call the staging area anyway, But I found
this out labor that you know, with the rock's been thrown.
And then you'd find these mud cloths all around my
bomb's car, and I'd pick one up and there'd be
these giant, huge thumb prints and fingerprints all in these
mud cloths. And my son will be said with me,
and I tell him, I said, that's a giant man.
That's a huge man. Because you know, I'm sitting there.
Really wasn't exactly what was exactly what was going on.
But after that, I took some catfoo, dry fish flavored
cat food and put it in one of the skillets.
And she had a willow tree behind her house. So
I went out there and I put this cat food
up about eight feet in a fork or this in
the fork of this tree, and I said, okay. Then
I got flour and I spread out around the base
of the tree and it probably went eight feet around
the tree. I said, okay, I'm gonna get footprints. Yep, yep, yep, nope.
I went out the next day the skillet was out
of the tree, placed on the ground, still full, and
there wasn't a foot print anywhere around that tree, the
base of that tree. It was crazy. There was so
much that went on out there. And after I moved
my house and out there, uh it just it got worse.
I won't say worse, it got more interested because we
moved in and it took a while to get the
underpinning around the house. Well, uh it's I don't know,
sometimes mid night, maybe two in the morning, he's here.
It had a s had sighting on it and you
hear something. I'm down the side of the house and
all the kids jump up, terrify the kids and I
would run to the back door, open the back door up.
Nothing was there, didn't see anything. And my wife and
I would be laying in bed and all of a
sudden under the floor boo oo, I mean hard hits.
I'm sitting okay, okay, that's I grab my shot then
and ran outside and I said that's enough, and uh
well even or no, I never had any more incidents
like that, but they did. They would come up. I
planted a garden out behind my house there and this
is over a period of years, I'd planted a guard
down behind my house, and I said, a little ornamental
windmill up by my garden. You know, that is probably
seven feet tall, that'd be a little taller. And I
would go to work and come home, I always look
back towards the garden. Well, one day I come home
and I noticed the top of the windmills gone. So
I walked inside and I looked at my kids, and
I said, okay, who took the top off the windmill?
When that's daddy? When nuts? Okay? So I walked out
there and I looked around. I looked about sixty yards
away in the field next to where we lived. It
was lighting out there in the middle of this field.
So I walk over there, pick it up, look at it.
I say, okay, it was in good shape. And I
placed it back on top of the windmill. And that
you don't go through my my what I do every day,
you know, go to work, drive home, look back there. Well,
one day I got got home and the windmill was off,
the top of the windmill was off again. And so
I walk out there and I looked, and it's over
in the field next to us. Except I go over
there and pick it up on me. It just twisted
it around. It just twisted. The metal ring around the
little triangular blades was twisted. Everyone was still intact, though,
So I took it up to the shop, fixed it,
and by this time I knew what was going on.
So I took it and moved it towards the back
fence where I knew they always were out by a
huge woodpile, and I set it up there and about
my business. Come back. One day the top was gone.
I walked back there and the ring was totally broken,
and all the blades were pulled out and stuck in
the ground. The pointy in first everyone everyone was stuck
in the ground. And I figured out what it was.
Is that windmill When the wind blew, its squeaked, squeak, squeak, squeaked,
So obviously it bothered him. Yeah, because I'm sure they
liked the silence. I'm pretty sure that. But that place
right there at my brother had sightings there. He would
go fish across the lake. As a matter of fact,
I would too, And one day he had walked to
the lake and walked around. From the back side of
the lake there was a small creek that ran through
and ran to an area called the iron Grate Bridge,
that's what we called it. But he was walking back
there and he made his way through some box elders
and he come up next to the creek. He was
crappie fishing, so he comes through the brush and he
stood up him. On the other side of this creek
was this dark colored Sasquat said. He noticed that there
were branches leaned up against the tree. But when it
come up, it had a branch in his hand, and
it was moving up and down, and it was He
called it cooting at him, and it had He had
purse lips and said that was it. He told me,
he said that would test any man's constitution. And he's right.
And so uh after that, he never went back and
fished there again. Now me, yeah, I was brave enough
to I would. I went over there, and we were
fishing out of a canoe in the lake, and we'd
come up to the north end of the lake, and
we'd come around fall in the little creek and further north,
and I looked to my left. Now this is an
interesting observation. I looked to my left through the small sapling,
and I seen something big move behind him. Bigger than
a hog, bigger than a horse, and it was on
two legs, and I've seen it move, and nowhere else
in the canoe seen it. But the kid, one of
the kids that was with me, he was about thirteen.
She got, I mean definitely ill. He started throwing up
over the side of the boat and out of the canoe,
and I think it affected him. It didn't bother me,
but I think something happened to where it affected him,
and possibly in for sound. So you know, so many
things has happened over there. My son Josh had a
sighting at my mom's house. My aunt had come to visit.
I can't remember what year or of the day, but
she had come to visit, and so I figured, well,
I'm going to go over and visit for a while.
And there was a rule I taught my kids. I said,
don't ever go through a door without docking. Well, we're
sitting there visiting. All of a sudden, my son just
flames the door open. His eyes are as big as
silver dollars. And I looked at him and goes, thanks, kay,
And I actual looked at him, I said, where did
you see it? I knew what happened, and he said,
I'm not going to I to him, come on, let's
go show me where he's at. Nope, I'm not going out, Betty,
I'm not I'm scared. Nope. So I didn't force him
the groupmit he had a siding there and uh. I
had another sighting in two thousand and one there one
I was visiting my mom and I had it was
about ten o'clock at night. I said, well, Mom, I'm
going to leave, so go on the front porch. And
of course we talked about five more minutes or so,
and I start walking off the front porch. One I
had that my brother's little dog had followen you over there,
a little chilaba mix and had followed the other there.
So I started to leave. So it followed me off
the porch, and there was a vapor light at the
south end of my mom's house pretty close. I was
in the middle of the oh probably forty yards to
the fence row from my mom's house that was in
between the house and the fence. So I'm making my way.
A cast sriled its shadow on the north end of
the house. So I make my way to the north
end of the house. And as soon as I get
in the shadow, I started hearing this swish, swish, swish. Well,
I'd heard that sound before in Oklahoma. And what it
was is when they moved in collar grass, it swishes
so now its swishes are so big that it pushes
the grass and it makes a pretty loud noise. Then anyway,
I knew what that was. So I my mom had
a fairly good sized cedar tree on the shadowy side,
kind of to the side of her house, and so
I make my way towards that tree, and the little dog, Feisty,
she's right by me, but she's watched in the fence
from under the tree. So I make it to the
side of the tree, and all of a sudden, here
comes this sass watch walking down the fenrol on the
opposite side of the fence. And it was the same
color as the one I've seen in eighty four, the
same color. And it walked, and this time I'm paying
very very very close attention. It walked and it stopped
by a shitten tree and it stood there its backwards
to me, and it kind of looked like it was
going to cross a road. It looked both ways, and
then it went away from me at an angle it
was moving to the southeast from me, and so I
marked the spot on the tree and I went out
there the next day day and measured it and it
was eight and a half foot tall. Yeah, but the
little dog was right there with me. Didn't make a keep,
didn't bark, didn't do anything, just watched to walk down
the fence road. And that was That was the most
super cool, super cool way to see the Sasquatch. It
really is. And I just, what's the word I'm looking for, Matt.
It's a passive sighting. Yeah, And it was calm, and
you're just soaking all your information. And some of the
information that I gathered were some of the physical physical aspects.
And that was the massive amount of muscle that they
had on. This one had on its back. It almost
thought it was it had a backpack on. It looked
almost punched back the muscle, which it's amazing. You know,
you wonder, okay, well, how can they break trees? Well,
I'd say that helps you know all of it. The
must It was incredible and incredible sight. And then uh,
and it continued. My mom she she had surgery in
her ankle, and Uh, I went out to stay with
the for the weekend, you know, and make sure everything
was okay. She needed anything. Well, I'm sleeping on the
couch and all of a sudden and at the end
of the couch there's a painting hanging on the wall
on the back side of the house, and that the
backside the house will be to the east. But anyway,
I'm laying there and all of a sudden, boom, the
picture jumps off the wall. It did so hard, and
I'm laying there and I'm going, oh, my gosh, let's
not start this, guys. But they did. And the last,
the last time they hit that house before my mom
passed away, they hit it so hard near the kitchen
and it knocked one of the cabinets off the wall. Jeez,
it didn't fall, but it knocked it probably five inches
off the wall, the top at the top, and it
just fell forward. It was still connected at the bottom.
Wasn't from dirt or fields or anything. My mom was
an immaculate house keeper actually, and or she'd have us
kids come over and clean or you know. But it
wasn't because of that. It was because something did at heart.
She told me she heard it both off it goes
and there was a lot of weird stuff that went
on out there, and my brother moved. I had bought
some property behind, and he moved a mobile home out there.
He moved it very close to the fence line, the
sense line they travel, and so his wife's kept telling
him we need to move, we need to move, and
he kept saying why. She said, this place is cursed.
It's cursed, we need to move. Well, they were having
They told me that one night they were there and
the whole she end was it. The west side of
their mobile home got pushed and it actually moved the
mobile home just just probably four inches. It's almost puishted it.
And I'm sitting there and oh, my goodness, gracious. And
eventually they moved. Somebody else moved a mobile home down
there in the same location after you sold the property.
You know what happened there, The siding on the south
west side, the whole section of siding was ripped off.
That mobile home ripped off, just torm ah. So they
were pretty aggressive, But a lot of times they weren't aggressive.
You know, I just didn't I thought they didn't want
anybody there because they've been there a whole lot longer
than any of us.
Speaker 1: Had did anything unusual with them happen after your mind past.
Speaker 2: My brother had passed before my mom, My oldest brother
passed before my mom did. He was he was very ill,
he had cancer. But but after my mom passed, everybody
was kind of the property sold so and actually I
told the people. After my mom passed, my sister in
law was still there with him at my brother's house,
and she rented this this house, my mom's house, to somebody.
And I told the people before they moved in, I said,
there are some things that are out here that you
might not understand that happens. And I said, please, whatever
you do, do not shoot one. And she said one.
I said, guests, do not shoot one. You're not going
to hurt you. Please don't shoot one. And that I
actually told that to the tenants, and she was in agreement.
I won't. She said, well, what is it. I said,
it's a Sasquatch or Sasquatch family. And I found baby
tracks around my mom's house too, and conducted part of
the study, fourteen year long study there too. But that's
that's a whole other ballgame. But no, I don't think, well,
there's some other things that happened there. I mean, I
know this is big Foot Crosserenture. A lot of different
things that happened there. It was a high activity area
for a lot of things. You know, a lot of
UFO siding was there, a lot of lights, a lot
of orbs, which I don't connect the big Foot, but
that's I've seen them. Went out to she was a
bill and I went out there and I was going
to stad the night with her, and I threw an
old foam mattress down, a little thin foam mattress on
the floor, is going to sleep on it. I'm down
there and you know, it's dark, and all of a sudden,
here she's little orbs, red green, just moving through the house,
moving around. And I said, you know, I can't deal
with his wasn't really afraid, but just threw the blanket
over the head wind sleep, let it. Let it happen.
And there was always bright lights, not always, but on
occasion he's really super bright white lights, I mean blinding
would just automatically come through the window from outside. As
a matter of fact, it happened so much my mom
put up two blankets over the window. She put one
up because of the light was at the end of
her vapor light was at the end of her house
and her window face that way, but she had to
put two up because these bright flashes were coming through
her wind. So what that was, I'm not sure. Yeah,
you know, you can go either direction with it. It
was a lot of paranormal stuff that happened there, a lot.
So did I connect it with the sasquatch there? Now
I didn't, but I found that they there's a lot
of that stuff that goes on in the areas that
they're active in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So after studying this phenomenon for so long, where's
your head at with that paranormal stuff? Now do you
think there's a connection or do you think they're just
drawn to it? Why does this stuff seem to happen
in the same areas like that sometimes?
Speaker 2: Here, let me tell you a story. This happened in
two thousand and nine in a highly active, high active area.
There's a lot of activity there and would when I'm
my expedition the investigation.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: We had was in a uh dad gum, big big
suburban and from my friend's friends. Yet he said he
had been having an encounters there. So but anyway, as
we were diving through this area. Which side. Okay, this
is if we're going to set up. Well, we stopped
the vehicle and it was a night and the loon
was out, So this ties in with your question. But
we're sitting there and all of a sudden we see
there's movement and my friends in the back he's got
night vision and he's talking. He said, well, I got this,
I got this. Words you and down on this and
I mean perfect eye signing the top of the head
and the eyes reflecting. Ah, so we got that, I said, okay,
and you to see where it was on a little berm,
a little heel, and it was just looking at us
over the field and it had its arms in front
of it. So we it backed down. You know, we
went behind these uh little thicket of trees. I don't
know what kind of trees they were. So me and
the other guy we got out. We said, okay, we're
gonna work our way towards that tree line with our
video cameras and then we're we're gonna raise the cameras
up over these trees and see what's behind it. Well,
we raised our cameras up, started to turn them on,
and when we turned them on. Both gotteries died that
quick instantly died and that was another incident that took place.
But I think there could be. You know, these things
are happening on lay lines. I mean, if you if
you look at the UFOs in the paranormal, a lot
of it takes place on lay lines and the rock
what are we kind of soil and rock? It is
like high iron content. I can't I haven't early went
into that study. That's another aspect of it. But UH,
as far as connected connected, I can't say that because
I haven't seen I haven't seen a sasquatch come out
of the UFO, okay, But but I will say this.
We went on another UH investigation up at the South
Sulfur River and there is a lot of people there,
allow I'm saying six people. So we had went off
in a kind of separate ways and we're in radio
contact with each other, and myself and this young man
walked to the back of this property and we're settingly
and all of a sudden we look coming to the
left and up in the sky is this disc shape
with white going around it. Goodyear e thing. But we've
seen that and it hadn't been dead most of the night.
But after we've seen that, we've heard a sasquatch call
happened and it was too well, it was to our north,
and I said, holy cow. And then all of a sudden,
radio pops. Hey, come back to the truck, Come back
to the truck. So we go back to the truck
and ah, somebody's got a rifle and a rifle scope
and they're watching this this disc shape of the sky.
Everybody watched it, look at it. So that happened, but
that activity is high activity. I've seen UFOs at my
mom's before I see him coming over with a tree line.
There was another one that was there at half my
brother he was laying in bed, his wife and him
was laying in bed. And also they're this wow. And
my brother says, oh, dad, gum cat down out of
the house and down into the electrical wiring. Well, he says, Anita,
will you go kick and see what's up. So she
gets up and she heads out to the front deck
they have. It's not covered. They had a small pond
that's to their house. Well, she opens the door and
she steps out and there is this huge white disc.
It's just bright white and it's hovering over this pond. Well,
as soon as she steps out, it starts moving across
the street to the lake. So and then there's been
There was just a lot of stuff. And my brother
didn't tell me everything. It was real close. Looked about it,
but he totally soon and he did tell me that
he stepped off the front porch to go to the
side of his house. You know, country and you know,
you had to relieve yourself sometimes that's a country thing.
But anyway, he sets out and there's a there's a
sasquatch standing at the end of his house and he
walks probably ten feet from it. Wow, it turns, it
turns and goes the other way. And he turns and
goes the other way, you know. But there was that
much activity on that property and on my son and
I Luke Trey, I call him looked the third. Anyway,
we used to go out behind the house and we
would sit right there and listen to the sasquatch call
out like a long call, and they scared the cattle
up to the front of this property. And remember my wife,
my wife, my mom has a vapor light at the
end of that in of her house and it shined
harshly over into the past the next door, and so
all the cows have grown up, and then all of
a sudden, a donkey would go the opposite direction of
the cows have head towards the back. This was my
my wife's introduction to sasquatch, because we've just just come
home and from Cindy Goodbreak's house, and all of a sudden,
I'm watching this, My wife's watching what's going on. You
see the cows move up front, the donkey go back,
and this donkey and this sasquatch is having an argument.
The donkey would go off, and then this sasquatch would
make a war, and my wife it's just she says,
oh no, I said, oh no, stay stage steak. She
come up over my back to get in the house
because we've leaning, or she'd come up over the over
my back to get into that house. So she went,
she went in. She was scared, but she finally had
a siding years later. But yeah, but I can't I
can't make a connection. But I can see why people
do make a connection. Uh just high paranormal activity maybe. Uh,
if you're out in the in the sticks, you know,
way out there at the UFO's white or UAP whatever
you call them. Now, are you know they're out there
because it's far away from people. Well Sasquatch are far
away from people, and researchers are far away from people,
and they just might eat all off the same time.
You never know, But that's my that's my view, and
some some people say otherwise. But I could. I've never
never experienced it, so I can't. I can't say for sure.
Speaker 1: My mind is sitting here going through the rolodex of
things that I've heard you mentioned over the years, and
I'm trying to choose a direction. I mean, you have
spent a tremendous amount of time studying these things, and
you were in a position to really, I think, accomplish
more than a lot of people, because, like you're saying,
you had years of activity on family property. That's a
rare commodity, you know, that's not a weekend warrior going
out blindly to some spot for a few days and
then going back home because it's time to go back
to work. So the first thing you mentioned several times
mobile homes being on the property. I remember years ago
you made a connection that I thought was very interesting
with mobile homes and sasquatch specifically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember it.
Speaker 1: Is there a connection? Are they drawn to mobile homes?
Speaker 2: Well, if they're interested in food, and that's not where
I'm going with this, but I've found where they they
were eating ants, okay, and bears are also bears are
also attracted to this. Ah. But mobile home manufacturers, well
it's back then used famelde hyde two and put on
insulation in the mobile home. They used famelda hide, right,
And that is a major attractive to bears. And it
smells what it does, it puts off an odor like ants,
and that could be attracting the sasquatch to the mobile homes.
You know, that's just that's one theory. Of course, it's
a smell of food. And I know my mama was
a damn good cook.
Speaker 1: So I remember the formaldehyde thing and the connection ants.
Something that I always been curious about, and I've given
this a lot of thought. Kitchen windows a lot of
times these things get spotted in kitchen windows on mobile
homes specifically, but in houses too. And if you think
about the kitchen window, oftentimes they're above the sink and
sit a little bit higher off the ground than a
typical window would And in mobile homes a lot of
times there's a little exhaust fan right next to the
sink that kind of sits in position next to the
stove where you could open up that fan and it
would draw, you know, the heat and the smoke from
the stove and blow it outside, which I always thought
would be just a huge attracting.
Speaker 2: That's a really good observation. And you know that's a
great observation, and you're a hundred percent right. It will
be perfect because I know my mom. Every night, it
didn't matter. It was like fock work. At a certain time,
she closed her drapes. Drapes were never left open. The
lines were pulled down and the drapes were closed every
night and no matter what. So and I asked, Mom,
what did are you closer? Swere? I just don't want
anybody uh looking in here? And I said, okay, But
she knew, she knew they were there. Yeah, And she
told me one night, said this is just from this
one property outside a little poh dunked town well, Oak, Texas.
And she told me that she had walked to her
front porch where she had the door closed, but the
storm door was opened the last door, and she looked
towards the road and she seemed too sasquat standing there,
and I said, well, what was going on? Mom? She said,
they looked like they were having a conversation. That's exactly
what she said. And the car started coming down the
road and she's seen the lights hit them. And then
they rested across to that little staging area I was
talking about earlier. They went back into treets and then
to see that, to see that, that would be oh
my gosh, you know what. They must have been using
hand motions or you know, looked like they were having
a conversation, which I do believe they have.
Speaker 1: Have you heard the talking?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, amazing that place in Arkansas I was telling
you about where the camels wet dead. We pulled up
when as soon as we got there and we pulled up,
the sun was down, but it was still kind of
you know, light, not real light. We all got there
were six of us. We got out of the the suburban.
We got out and we closed the doors, and all
of a sudden, a conversation began in the middle of
the woods in the dark. Language I did not understand.
It almost sounded ative American but not. But it had
the same almost the same song type sound to it.
But I have heard that, and uh I've actually recorded
some which was I played it to somebody out of
the Celtic Festival if we were out. We were we
were out there at Celtic Fest, wh as bigfoot researchers.
We were talking about the wood Woes and the European
Bigfoot in comparison to the North American Sasquatch. And uh
so that was cool. But I played at yap that
some recordings in Cassie. I know one night I always
had a good speaker on this computer or a play
it for you. That one night she had the letter
dogs out and it was a little smaller finished in
area in our backyard that they would go out to.
So we would let them go outside, and she would
always go to the back door. And one thing she
always said, come on guys. And as soon as she said,
I had a digital reporter set up next to my house.
I can explain that later, but uh it ties in.
But as soon as she said that, this gruff low
voice like oh, and I got it on their corner.
It says I played it out there and I scared
people with it. Holy h man, you know that's what
they were saying, but that was that was in Golden Texas.
But yeah, I've heard I've heard that the language before.
I've recorded some of it and it didn't sound like
wrong warheads that that doesn't doesn't matter because you know,
this is a totally different area, a different spot, so
you know they could have different variations and speaking.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to just rip the band aid off.
Speaker 2: Rreck carreck, rip it.
Speaker 1: You know, like you were talking earlier before we went
on air, started out these things are some sort of
undiscovered ape and I think that's the starting point for
a lot of people. That was the starting point for myself.
Speaker 2: Me too, Me too.
Speaker 1: But now we're talking about talking right your mom observing
them having a conversation. I know a lot of your
later study has been kind of focused on the glyph phenomenon. Hmm.
Speaker 2: I won't call them glyphs though, but you're right, what
do you call them? Syllabics? Okay, that makes sense, not glyphs.
And oh yeah, that's a fourteen year long study.
Speaker 1: How much are you willing to talk about it?
Speaker 2: Well, not much right now? Okay, I could tell you
how it began, but I can't. It's still in progress,
as a matter of fact, still in progress to this day.
But there's Matt, there has been. I can say this,
there's been a major breakthrough, okay, and I'm talking one
that will put you on the ground and I couldn't
believe it. But that's all I can say about it.
But it's going to be released September twenty fifth and
twenty sixth. But I can tell you how it started.
You want to go there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay.
Speaker 2: I had noticed being in the field and even across
the street when I would go fishing from across the
street from my mom's land go fishing, I noticed things
on trails going back through the little wooded areas well.
I would see these branches still always straight, not cricket
or anything, laid in little patterns on the ground. And
and most people nowadays know them as glyphs. You know,
you had Tom Kintrail and a lot of other people
that had studied the glyphs. But anyway, this is going
to be kind of a long story, is that. Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Well I will, I will. Anyway,
I started out with them there, and then I noticed people,
you know, they were posting photos of these syllabics from
their research areas. And then another area where I was researching,
I noticed them along the trails we were It was
like a long hike into this one area, but I
noticed these syllabics on the edge of the trail that
we were taking. And you might have a little half
box shape, you might have a box, you might have
a triangle, you might have a small X. And I'm
looking at these and I instantly thought of the bonobo chimpanzee,
because the bone pen zee will leave little signs with
leaves and little sticks on logs. But what they're doing
is they're telling any troops behind them that's coming the
directions that they're traveling. And I started thinking about that.
It's you know, you have you have tree brakes, you
know at the eight foot level seven foot level, you know,
they're broken over, and they're pointing in certain directions. And
in all that, I didn't have any answers to that
for a while, but they are directional markers. I can
say that that. Anyway, I started seeing these, and I
started seeing photos from people taking photos of themsel I
contacted these people when we were taking photographs of them,
and I said, how would you like to be in
a little study, And the people I asked said, sure,
let's try it. Let's let's do and so we, uh
everybody involved, start taking photographs of them, and we compiled
everything into a chart. In the chart we wound up
having and these are just ground based cours, all branches.
There's none in the trees, no curves at all. Anyway,
we started seeing these and so we started having people
put these out in the areas. There was one one
syllabate that I would give to people just that wasn't
involved in the study. I'm going too deep in this.
I can't do that. But anyway I can say this.
There was one.
Speaker 1: Syllaban control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes and no. The one syllabic was a
part of this. May he used part, but I would
take it. And it's branches one branch fairly straight, half
inch in diameter, twenty four inches long, one branch, the
four branches twelve inches long, half inch in diameter. He
takes that syllabic, you breast the ground under it, get
all the debris off, and he placed its syllabic on
the ground with the long branch as a as a
vertical branch, and then the four even least faced apart
horizontally on the branch. And if you're an activity, you'll
just go place that off the trail near a water source,
but along a game trail, but not a human tree,
maybe three feet off a game trail, and you place
that and walk away and go out there the next
day or the day after, and see what happens. It changes.
It will change into a complete other symbol syllabic. The
patterns changed on. It was interesting and it was very
very interesting. And so who and these were just random researchers.
They said, well, and I tell them, change it back
to how you put it down first, and they do
it again, and it come. They'd come back and it
be it would be changed again and to another another pattern.
It will be changed to another pattern. So something was
going on. I had to tie this together with myself.
I can't go too deep in it, but uh in
two thousand and ten had a siding in an area
not too far from Gulden, Texas. A matter of fact,
there's in Mineola, Texas. AH. I went back to test
the camera that when my friends in said had sent me,
and he tricked this camera out where you could use
night vision in the daytime and see under trees. Anything
under the trees which is that's dark would pop, you
would see it plainly. So I went to test the
camera out. I walked I think it was three miles
in to the to the river. Well, I'm sitting there,
you know, talking to the camera and explaining what I'm
doing and all that, and I'm watching these The river's
not very high. It might have been a foot deep
foot and a half deep. It was a drought year.
But anyway, I'm watching these little pebbles hit the waterpop,
and you know, I'm looking at the camera, but I'm
looking to the side towards where this is happening. Oh
my gosh, no minnows. It wasn't was any anything like that,
no fish, And so I wrapped it up and I
start leaving the area. Well, I have a camera on
the tripod, and as I get it's along an old
railroad bed. And this railroad bed is covered with you know,
small rocks, and so they recently cut a fresh trail
to the right of this railroad bed. Pine need a
little soft you know, easy walking, So I told him.
I said, well, I'm not walking on the rocks and
on locking thse pine needles stuff there. So I take
off and I go down and walking along and I
hear something behind me, and I take the camera. I
turn it on and just raise it up over my
shoulder and I'm filming over my shoulder. Love. The sound stopped,
and it was something moving in the brush. And this
area is pine trees, and there's some sweet young trees
and oak trees, but they're very they're tall, and the
canopy goes up now maybe eight feet, and it levels
off so's you can see through them. Anyway, I'm walking
down this trail and all of a sudden I see
something to my right. I see a pair of legs,
huge tall pair of legs. It's kind of bult spots
on the side, but then hairy everywhere else. And I
stop and I just yell as loud as I can hey,
and it stopped boom. It backed up and got behind
this it'll be the tree, probably not even twenty inches around,
and it knelt down and I'm sitting there, holy crap,
and I'm looking I'm dead at it. I'm looking dead
at it, and so camera i'ms on and I'm walking
toward it, and i'm talking because I'm going to show
this everybody in this study, you know. And I'm walking
towards it, getting closer. Of course, I'm watching the ground
because it's June and there's snakes, so I'm looking down
at the ground. Now I'm looking up. I'm walking closer.
And its head was down. So as I'm walking closer,
a rock comes flaming from behind me rather than you
can hear rattle through the streets. Conceived it on the video,
and I didn't look back, but I knew there was
another one there, so I continue, I'm getting closer. But
after that rock was calm, and I looked back, or
was looking. It raised its head up and it started
looking at me, and I said, okay, I keep going.
I'm walking closer and closer dad, and moved from that spot,
and I don't know, I've got twenty five yards from it, probably,
and another rock comes from behind, rattles through the creeps
right around, and this time I turn around and looked.
I turn around and looked, Now, did I look back.
This thing's gone. What I was looking at was gone.
Did not see it, did not hear it. It just
walked away, I guess. But uh, anyway, I had that encounter.
I hiked out and I said, man, that was awesome.
That was cool adrenaline junkie. Yeah that was me back then,
but it's anyway, it was huge. Man, I'm walking out.
I'm happy, you know. And I get home and watch
it and yell, everything was there. And I pulled stills
off the off the film and I've shown people in
They're like, holy crap, except they need more other words
than crap, believe me. But anyway, okay, I had that sighting.
And that sighting was probably four miles from my home
in Golden And one night I was at home and
I was sitting there. I was creaking chicken outside, Barbara
King chicken. This is November again. I we dad outside.
I had a little jacket on and my head lamp
and I'm enjoying myself setting down in front of this
little grill, cool chicken. Gay In any way, a rock
lands right next to me. Boom. And this is in
the country, not far out in the country though, And
a rock lands next to me. And I say, I
know what that is. I know where it came from.
So I got up. I have a had a vapor
light outside next to the fence, which was south of
my house. And so I get up, walk towards the
cents row and I pick up some branches. I pick
up some branches and I break them into the length
I wanted, and I held them up over my head
and I shook them, and I looked in the direction
I thought the Sasquaks was at, and I shook them,
and then I if it's a dog carrier or a
dog crpe next to the fence, a big crate and
it's about waist high. So I took the branches and
I weighed them down in that pattern but always give everybody,
and I laid them on top of that the crate,
and I walked back and I continue cooking my chicken. Well,
I go out the next morning and looked it's changed
another another uh into another symbol. But that continued. That
interchange of syllabics lasted four years. Wow, it lasted four years.
And I said, you know how I am and or
how I was anyway, I have to prove this is
taking place. I have to get a picture of what
it's doing this because anybody asked to say Oh, it's
a rabbit, it's a bird, it's an hell, it's wind,
it's rain or whatever. And I knew better because I've
found tracks. And they'd come up to the side of
my garden and lay down and look at the house.
If I didn't go out and interact with them with it,
with the syllabic, they would come up and hit the
side of the house boom and Murphact photographs were the
side of my house was oxidized. The pain on it
was and you can see the hair impressions in the
oxidized paint where they get the side of the house.
But anyway, I had to prove it. I had to
prove this. That photographed everything. I documented everything, and so
I took a game came on. I put out an
old lawnmower, riding lawnmower at the pretty much at the
back of the property, but the tail end of it
the back of a taste where I was putting these
syllabic down on top of the carrier. So I said, oh, no,
they'll never see it. So I strapped it on there.
And before I go any further with this story, on
the property next door, there used to be a house
there but there was trees and stuff growing up on
it now, but as a very bat next to the
fence was a little pretend truck, a toy truck, but
it's a riding one, and it was, you know, sitting
there and had wheels probably I don't know, ten inches across.
It was just sitting there. It sat there for years,
never touched. But I put the game camera on and
attempted to take a photograph and I all action interactions
stopped done. Nothing happened after that. So I was out
there checking the game camera one day and I looked
over to that little toy tractor yellow and it was
flipped over upside down with the wheels sticking up. Okay,
you have a lawnmower over here that has four wheels,
and you have this little toy tractor over here with
four wheels turned upside down. And I immediately knew what
they were saying, because I know there was any animals
or kids or anything over there to flip that upside down.
And it's set there for years, so that interaction had stopped.
So I said, okay, so I took it. I put
a camera. I strut a game camera on a stream
on some cordage up into the trees twenty feet above
where these syllables were being placed. No luck, no luck.
But I did move the camera to a cedar tree
and I faced it directly towards the a tree next
to this syllavant area. And I'm sitting there. Yeah, I'm
not gonna get anything. Well. Uh, I went out and
checked the camera.
Speaker 4: The SD brought it in, looked at it. A huge
set of eyes next to that tree, eye shine huge.
And I said, holy crap. You know why I caught
that that picture.
Speaker 2: It's because a little brown bat flew in front of
the camera.
Speaker 1: And I set it off, just triggered it at the
right time.
Speaker 2: Just at the right time. I got the photographs and everything. Ah.
But that that continued and then so everything after that
on my end died down. Now it continued around the country,
you know, everybody else with their their syllabics. It continued.
And then it's everything slowed down. Things happened that I
had to started the company, and we kind of backed
off of it for a little while because we weren't
getting any of our results, major results, nothing we could understand.
You know. I thought one of my main things was
I was going to discover the origins because it's possible
they learned how to use these syllabics from where they
came from, where the original sasquatch came from anyway, And
I started looking, well, anybody that wants to to see
we released the study our findings on af You go
to YouTube and go to big Foot under Our Under
the Radar, Bigfoot under the Radar. There are I believe
there's five films there of the release. They're all about
fifteen minutes long, and we cover everything that we did.
And at that point in time, there was one hundred
and twenty three different syllabics that they were using, and
that was just horizontal placed on the ground flat one
hundred and twenty three at that time. Oh so that
there's there was other things that was discovered that I
can't can't go into right now, but that's all public
knowledge there so and oh wait, let me say this.
And the only reason I think that that sasquatch come
up to me and through the rock at me, it
wasn't because it wanted me to go. It was there.
I know that, or it wouldn't have thrown the rock.
But that area I was in at the time, and
we were we talked quite a bit. You can't catch
you talk quite a bit back then. That area is there,
there are so much activity around it down the road.
I found out just not long I don't know, not
long after, there was things happening on properties a quarter
a mile away from me. And but I always have
something I called what I thought was scent association. If
you have an encounter and you see one or even
if it sees you and it smells you. Because my
dogs know my sin m okay, and they can smell
me and find me. But you know, and this might
be a stretch, but I'm thinking that they can remember
you if they see you, and if they smell you,
but they remember you. And I'm thinking the one that
I had coming up to my house in Golden is
possibly the one I seen outside of the Miniola. Actually
that took place at the Mineola Nature Reserve where I
had that sighting. Yet oh, and that's why I think
they came up there. It's just saying, hey, I'm over here,
you see me. You know. I don't know that that
might be stretching it, but I.
Speaker 1: Mean, no, We've heard lots of stories about them following
people home from areas, right at least within reason. At
least within reason. I mean, some people believe they, you know,
will travel to another state and find you. But I
don't know about that, but it stands to reason. I
mean my friends, you know, Dan and VICKI, they definitely
followed them back to their place.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, And you know that's I just find
it interesting, you know. Okay, I'm sitting there, Okay, I've
been found again. I move away. I've been sound again. Well,
and then I moved from that area housecot fire, so
I had to move, and I move I don't know,
maybe eighteen miles away. Of course, I'm only two miles
away from the Sabine River, which is a huge, highly
active area, highly active, and I've been all of a sudden,
I start gathering reports from this area, you know, just
talking to people small chip chat, you know, and I
might say, well, if you see me weird stuff out
there in the woods. There's a lot of hunters in
them and a lot of fishermen. So yeah, I can't reports.
And I have a really big stand up forest spot
and the neighbor comes up to me, you know, Luke,
I'm seeing these dark shadows out the woods. I said
shadows and I say, oh, big, big shadows. Oh here
we go again, you know. And I took that one
syllabic and I placed it out there. But it's pretty
thick to get too from the woods to my yard,
and I never had any action on it. So yeah,
but it's amazing to me. There's so so many things
that that go on that you know, I can ramble forever. Man,
I can talk about this, you know, the the themb
We're going to have in September. Cassie says, well, I
would like you to tell your story and do presentation
on it. I said, Cassie, do you have like two
or three days? Yeah, I give only you know, the
pile things and talk about it. That's I've had so
much happened to me and slean so much, and you know,
it's it's but you know, what is so so satisfying
is to see other people finding the same things and
verifying you finding. That's a blast. Then you sit down
and talk to somebody, you know, have you ever seen
a sasquatch tracking or found footprints that were facing a deer?
You know, I have. I've found across the street from
my mom's uh, you know, or follow a set of
tracks and come to a huge weed that's that hollow
stem and the top of the weed's broken over in
a long, long stem of hay has been seved down
the middle. And you look at the bottom of this plant,
this weed, and there's a fire mp now and you
grab this little this blade of hay and you cool
it up, and there's fire ants with larven all over it,
all over it. And there's two footprints at the base
of this this weed. You know, what does that say?
So just like chumps within the termites in Africa, Yeah, exactly,
that's tool usage and that and you know, I knew
about the tool of usage in Africa with a chimpanzees,
but yeah, you know, it's stuff like that that just
fired me up. I kept learning and learning. That was
what I wanted to do, was learn, you know, and
and you know, I had a library on zoology, biology,
anything that does with the woods, has to do with
the woods, I had. I had it, and I read
the books and because I wanted to learn more information.
You know, people said on there, I'm sorry, you know,
to any listeners that might get offended to this, but
you know, everybody sits on their information and we ain't
never going to learn a thing if we don't come
off our information and start talking about it.
Speaker 1: How much have we missed because of our own ego
and arrogance to begin with?
Speaker 2: Tons Now, I kept everything close to my chest. Yeah,
I'm nope, nope, nope. Of course there were good reasons
for that, but uh, you know, I just I would
love for people to show their information they got. We
would learn so much and you know that's that's why
I'm making this big reveal in September, is because people
need to know this. You know, I'm not going and
another reason, I'll be honest with you, I'm getting older
and you know, I don't know how much time I
have left. So if I die with it, there's a
handful of people that have it. They have this information.
Nobody else is going to have it, and you can't progress.
I don't see here. Let me say this. I think
the research community has come to a standstill and it'll wall.
I really do, because I hear zen stories over and
over and over and over, nothing new.
Speaker 1: Well, they were following a dead end, right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just okay, let's let's regroup, you know,
And that's one of the reasons. When I started this,
I wanted to learn everything I could. And I started
out as a firm ape believer. It's nothing but a
big ape, that's all I thought. That's all I thought.
But as I went through the years, grown older and
researched more, I learned more. And heck, some of them.
I have a piece of information over here. That's a
piece of the puzzle. It's might be the piece of
your puzzle. It could be the piece of anybody's spoken.
They might have that one piece. But if they're not
telling anybody about it, the puzzle is not going to
be solved. It will not be solved. But you know,
I'm I'm I speak candidly and that's okay. I'm old enough,
and and you know, if people get mad at me,
that's okay. That's how I am. I want out And
you can ask everybody. You probably not, I tell you
how I feel. You know, I'm brutally honest and sometimes
to a fault, but uh, I've heard people's feelings being honest,
but it's not on purpose. It's just I like telling it,
telling it how it is. And and you know, we
had all those people in that one group. Yeah, there
was a lot of people, man, a lot of people
I wanted And all you know why there were so
many people, Matt, is because we wanted I wanted all
the information I could get, and I wanted everybody to
learn at the same time about it. And information would
flowed freely, Okay, to float. It wouldn't. That was the
main goal. But you know, and and but then you
have branch offs here and here, and everybody sits on
their information and nothing's worned. And I'm I'm really sad
about that. I would I would, I would hope because
I'm gonna give something away. I'm gonna give it away.
People are gonna look at it and they're gonna go,
what h And it's that big, It's that big, and
it will be my legacy. It will be my legacy.
And uh, I'm not think I whet involved. There's people
coming down from Ohio, there's people coming down from Maryland,
there's people coming down from Oklahoma. There's other people here
in Texas. They're going to be here and we're all
going to talk about our findings and what's happened. You know,
this is this is me. People are going to come
to Hondam are an anthropologists. He's coming down from Maryland.
We have an anthropologist, a cultural anthropologist. There's that word
that the jump on it. Culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't have language without culture, right.
Speaker 2: Well, and you can't have spoken language or verbal language,
and you can't have a any other kind of language.
A lot of people don't know. And like I said,
I started out as firm believer it was an ape.
And over the years I started seeing things and I saying, okay, okay,
old something, they just still here. A species that's still
here and now much more than that, much more and no,
not aliens, but a relic hommative man, I mean human,
like I would say, a relict human species. Is where
I'm going human? Yeah, because they know they that gum it.
I wish people could see things through my eyes and
be there when I've had things happen to me that
says these things aren't just big apes, They're more than that.
And I wish people could just be stand right beside
me and see everything that I've seen and then that
I've heard, and you know, so they would they would
know gos, oh my gosh, he's right, But that's just
you know that's progressive research, and that's why you do
it to learn and to learn more and learn the truth.
And you know, I have I have people they they
asked me that you believe in mind speak, and you know,
I don't answer no. I say, I don't know because
I've never experienced it before. But that doesn't mean that
it's not happening, you know. It's just I've never had
it happened to me, so you know, that's that's it
used to be. I would have said back in the day,
I would have said, you're full of shit.
Speaker 1: I've heard you say it. I have heard you say it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, over the years. You know, I have to say
I don't know. I don't know. I've never experienced, so
I can't say it doesn't exist, you know, because I've
seen a lot of weird stuff out in the woods,
you know. I've seen wards and little lights, shootings of
the trees fast zipping in and out. You know, I've
seen that stuff before, and I know it exists. But
it I was talking to somebody about it the other day,
a matter of fact, what it was yesterday, I said,
but if it ever happens to me, I will be
the first to say, yes, it happens. I believe in it.
I think it exists, it goes on. Oh but I'm
not saying it doesn't. You know, I'm wondering. You had
to see the belief. I have to see the belief
something are experience it before I'll believe. But there's oh
my gosh, I've really I've grown a lot since the
my younger days as far as my knowledge. You know,
I always focused on food sources, and I'm still I
could be walking somewhere, Oh that's a food source. Oh
that's a food source. That's a food source. You know,
because that's important. All that information is important, you know, everybody,
most scientists will say, especially in Texas, there is not
enough food available for them to eat the support such
a large, large species. There's not enough out there. Well,
I'm just already say there is. Because sasquats are omnivores.
They are the key number one predator in the woods.
And when you live in an area white Texas and
other states that has the same problem, and you have
this really huge high population of wild hogs, that is
a huge food source for a predator. Okay, well you
have Okay, why why has there been more sightings of
sasquatch in the state of Texas. Well, why have there
been more sightings of mountain lions in the state of Texas.
You want to know why, It's because there's more food.
You have wild hogs a mountain lion. If there's not
enough food, they will not have babies. Yeah, the same
for sasaquet. Well, if you have a lot of food
you have, you have more mountain lions and you have
more sasquatch.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about how for years we've talked
about the the hog problem in this part of the country,
and how at least in Texas and Oklahoma for sure,
I know it's this way in other states as well.
I'm just dealing with the states that I know firsthand.
It's open season, you know, there's you can do whatever
you want with hogs, hunt them all you want to,
and it hasn't made a difference. The population has only
grown and spread even further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you know I did. I don't have
it in front of me, but I did a comparison
to the chloric intake of a Western Lowland gorilla and
what it takes for them to survive in their areas,
And I said Okay, what are they eating over there?
And this is most of the vegeted food sources. As
a matter of fact, I think all of it is.
So there's they're keeping up and staying strong and getting
all their calories from vegetation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did this. I took all the food sources that
I know that they eat here, including wild hogs, uh, calves,
and all the vegetance measured of food sources they eat,
and I added all the calories. So well, the calories
are way above the ones that the Western guerrillas eat.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, soit like that's not a problem for them to survive.
It's not, you know, that's you know, it's and you know,
all the species here there are over fourteen species of
wild grapes alone in the state of Texas. Fourteen species
of wild grapes. And of course you had the plumb trees,
multiple multiple species of plum trees. You know. That's that's
all the boring stuff now compared to are compared to
what I.
Speaker 1: Got now, well, yeah, but the boring stuff gets you
in the right locations though, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I had. There was so much interest.
People were walking up and my friend Paul Ragsdale. He
had all his casts set up on a table and
people were coming out and asking questions. I didn't realize
there was still so much interest in the subject. Now
this is at a Celtic fest, and the interest was amazed.
I was amazed. There's one young lady and her husband
and her daughter that walked up to the table and
she was fascinated and she said, Sasquatch in Texas. Yeah, yeah,
you know where she was from, Oregon, so yeah, okay,
and she said she couldn't believe that they were here.
And she stayed at the table for over an hour
just talking about it. And then you know, the interest
is so high. People still want to learn things.
Speaker 1: Tell us about the events coming up and what's going
to be going on.
Speaker 2: Okay, September twenty fifth and twenty sixth of this year,
twenty twenty six in Hawkins, Texas, there's going to be
an event and it is called the East Texas Campfire
Stories at East Texas Bigfoot Campfire Stories, and there's going
to be researchers from across the state there. It's on
a level location just outside of Hawkins, and matter of fact,
it's going to be in the same place that the
Celtic Festival was held, and it's the camping is free,
there's no charge for the camping. And uh, there's going
to be vendors there with t shirts Bigfoot all everything
Bigfoot there. But there's going to be a going to
have speakers. But this was Cassie's idea, map. This was Cassie's,
my wife's idea. She posted on all kinds of places,
you know, like yard sale places online on Facebook and
you know, city pages on Facebook, and she wrote she said,
have you seen anything strange in the woods, heard any
strange sounds? And people come out of the woodwork to
tell her their stories and they're Bigfoot related and other
cryptids also. So these people, some of the people are
going to be there telling their stories around the campfire
and researchers sharing information and talking to each other telling stories.
And then we're going to have I'm going to do
a pre presentation on my story from start and go
from there on Friday, Friday evening. Yeah, this will be
here at the backstage. There's there's a stage there we're
gonna be we'll have lights and everything, and then I'm
gonna do the presentation of the big reveal on Saturday,
the twenty sixth. Ah, and it's gonna be a great time.
There's gonna be so many people there. Uh, Paul, Paul
and Cassie have really spread the word, and I said, well,
I'm gonna go ahead and spread the word a little
more tonight on fix up Crossroads. What a better place,
no better place to do it right right now. But
we're gonna have people come down to them Oklahoma and
everywhere they're gonna they're gonna show up, and I hope
everybody comes. I mean there's camp sites, new cut trails
through there all with areas to set your tents up,
and uh, we're going to be on the back side
of the property becus the front side of the property.
It's going to be a haunted, haunted terror trail. So
what I mean right before at the beginning of October. Shoot, yeah,
So we're gonna have two events that we can haunted
trails will and then we're going to have our our
tamp fire stories in the back. But and then there's
some more big news coming up. It's not a revealed
that there's some more big news coming up on another
event that will be taking place. Oh in March. But
that's all I can say about that one.
Speaker 1: Sounds awesome, man, it should be a great event. You know,
I really appreciate you coming on here and talking. I
want you to come back. There's so much more stuff
to cover, so many more stories.
Speaker 2: So so much, Matt. I appreciate you asked me to
come come on this show. I know we've we've missed
each other, you know, ye back and forth. You know,
we finally managed to connect