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Speaker 1: When it comes to Texas bigfoot, one name comes to

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mind immediately Luke Gross. For me, Luke is the person

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responsible for putting Texas on the map when it comes

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to the Sasquatch phenomenon. A true pioneer in bigfoot research, Luke,

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in my opinion, is one of the most knowledgeable and

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experienced bigfooters out there and a true treasure trove of information.

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I've known Luke for a long long time and we

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lost touch for many years, but recently we were able

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to reconnect and I was fortunate enough to have him

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on the show. So, without further ado, mister Luke Gross,

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it's been a long time, man.

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Speaker 2: It's been Yeah, it's been a real long time years

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as a matter of fact. But hey, that's okay. I

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just went totally independent, totally independent and did my own thing,

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hooked up with another guy, and uh found an amazing

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research area and that ran out, ran out. First night

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we went in there, we were run out, and then

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that was an experience heard the most fierce area I

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ever heard in my life. Of course, I was in

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the middle of its home. So if somebody come into

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my home, yeah, you're gonna give a run out too.

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So it's you know, and I've learned so much and

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in my in my journey, my long, long journey, I've

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earned a done and uh learn learn a lot of

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respect for a not necessarily the research community. Uh, the

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research community has changed so much. And I'm sure you've

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seen it. It's one. You know how I was analytical, documentation,

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document everything, everything, everything. I'm still that way, but uh,

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everybody else is, well, I'm going to go out for

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the experience. Okay, you know, yeah, you're gonna you might

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hear one, you might see one, but have you learned

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anything about them? And that's that was my As soon

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as I seen that one, a lone note on my

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mom's from poor to that time, dude, it was like,

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I have to know it's not supposed to be here,

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so I have to know what it is, what they did,

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where they come from, everything.

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Speaker 3: So that that was my journey, dude. The beginning, Well,

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let's start there. Let's start with that day at your

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mom's house. Okay, just kind of walk us through it.

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you my first encounter, my first

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siding was oh gosh, it was in nineteen eighty four.

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That's a long long time ago. My wife and I

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at the time we lived in Garland, Texas, and my

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mom and brother had moved out. It was east of Greenville,

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I guess it was about twenty miles east in east

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of northeast of Lonoak, Texas. So anyway, my wife and

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I would travel to my mom's and visit on the weekend. Well,

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it was I guess about it was November, but it

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was anice November. It wasn't cold at all, and so

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she had the front door open. It was a mobile

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home and there was a storm door, the last storm door,

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so we had that open, and we was the watching TV.

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She was sitting in a recliner and I was sitting

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on the floor next to her, and all of a sudden, Oh,

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let me preface that with this. She owned fifteen cats

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at the time, and there was a little bench on

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her front porch. In the porch was probably three feet

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off the ground, and she had a bench on the

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front porch where she kept these her old aluminum skillets

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at and she would feed the cats and she would

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fill them up and the cats would get up there

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and eat their food. So anyway, I was sitting on

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the floor next to her, and the next thing, I

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knew she'd been to a word and leaned over and

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tapped me on, you see that, And so I kind

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of leaned over in front of her and I looked

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towards the front door, and on the right side where

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that cat food was, there was a sashquatch standing there.

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It had got cat food, I guess it since we

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was watching it. And it turned and it walked directly,

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I mean directly towards the door, and it kind of

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went back and forth a couple of times, turned left

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and walked off the porch. And the funny thing is,

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after all these years, I've never seen the face of

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the sasquatch. And I can tell you because that first

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sighting I had, the head was above the door, and

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the shoulders were as white as the door, if not wider.

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And anyway, I scooted back super fast. I mean scared me.

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I wouln't. Yeah, I've hyped all over the country and

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back packed and stayed in the woods and forest and

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mountains for a week or two at a time. I've

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never seen anything honey dish fished. All my life, I'd

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never seen anything like it. And I said, that is

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not supposed to be here. Crazy, you know, you have

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something out the of a cardboard box and carry and

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it's on the front porch and it's over seven feet home.

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Oh man, no, that's not supposed to be here. And

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it walked on two legs. And so that was That

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was the beginning of my journey. But things, things have

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been taking place there prior to that. Side. Anyway, I'll

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let me say this. I sat there probably five minutes.

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I scooted back to the back wall and I sat

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there five minutes and I finally got enough courage up

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to go crack the door and kind of peek out.

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There was nothing there. I was kind of happy about

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that at the time, but anyway, yeah, I was. But

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things have been going on previously to that. They were

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throwing rocks at the back of the house and coming

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up and slapping the side of the house because it

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was a new home. And come to find out, it

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was a hog farm before that. And across road was

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a fifty acre lake and coming from the lake on

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a fence line. Oh across the road there was a

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fence line and it had probably twenty five feet of

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trees on each side of it. Well, they were traveling

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from the lake up to that spot, and right there

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on the side of it was a staging area. So

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what I call the staging area anyway, But I found

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this out labor that you know, with the rock's been thrown.

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And then you'd find these mud cloths all around my

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bomb's car, and I'd pick one up and there'd be

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these giant, huge thumb prints and fingerprints all in these

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mud cloths. And my son will be said with me,

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and I tell him, I said, that's a giant man.

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That's a huge man. Because you know, I'm sitting there.

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Really wasn't exactly what was exactly what was going on.

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But after that, I took some catfoo, dry fish flavored

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cat food and put it in one of the skillets.

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And she had a willow tree behind her house. So

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I went out there and I put this cat food

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up about eight feet in a fork or this in

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the fork of this tree, and I said, okay. Then

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I got flour and I spread out around the base

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of the tree and it probably went eight feet around

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the tree. I said, okay, I'm gonna get footprints. Yep, yep, yep, nope.

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I went out the next day the skillet was out

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of the tree, placed on the ground, still full, and

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there wasn't a foot print anywhere around that tree, the

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base of that tree. It was crazy. There was so

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much that went on out there. And after I moved

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my house and out there, uh it just it got worse.

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I won't say worse, it got more interested because we

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moved in and it took a while to get the

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underpinning around the house. Well, uh it's I don't know,

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sometimes mid night, maybe two in the morning, he's here.

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It had a s had sighting on it and you

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hear something. I'm down the side of the house and

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all the kids jump up, terrify the kids and I

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would run to the back door, open the back door up.

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Nothing was there, didn't see anything. And my wife and

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I would be laying in bed and all of a

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sudden under the floor boo oo, I mean hard hits.

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I'm sitting okay, okay, that's I grab my shot then

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and ran outside and I said that's enough, and uh

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well even or no, I never had any more incidents

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like that, but they did. They would come up. I

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planted a garden out behind my house there and this

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is over a period of years, I'd planted a guard

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down behind my house, and I said, a little ornamental

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windmill up by my garden. You know, that is probably

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seven feet tall, that'd be a little taller. And I

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would go to work and come home, I always look

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back towards the garden. Well, one day I come home

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and I noticed the top of the windmills gone. So

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I walked inside and I looked at my kids, and

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I said, okay, who took the top off the windmill?

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When that's daddy? When nuts? Okay? So I walked out

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there and I looked around. I looked about sixty yards

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away in the field next to where we lived. It

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was lighting out there in the middle of this field.

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So I walk over there, pick it up, look at it.

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I say, okay, it was in good shape. And I

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placed it back on top of the windmill. And that

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you don't go through my my what I do every day,

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you know, go to work, drive home, look back there. Well,

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one day I got got home and the windmill was off,

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the top of the windmill was off again. And so

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I walk out there and I looked, and it's over

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in the field next to us. Except I go over

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there and pick it up on me. It just twisted

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it around. It just twisted. The metal ring around the

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little triangular blades was twisted. Everyone was still intact, though,

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So I took it up to the shop, fixed it,

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and by this time I knew what was going on.

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So I took it and moved it towards the back

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fence where I knew they always were out by a

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huge woodpile, and I set it up there and about

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my business. Come back. One day the top was gone.

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I walked back there and the ring was totally broken,

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and all the blades were pulled out and stuck in

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the ground. The pointy in first everyone everyone was stuck

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in the ground. And I figured out what it was.

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Is that windmill When the wind blew, its squeaked, squeak, squeak, squeaked,

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So obviously it bothered him. Yeah, because I'm sure they

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liked the silence. I'm pretty sure that. But that place

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right there at my brother had sightings there. He would

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go fish across the lake. As a matter of fact,

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I would too, And one day he had walked to

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the lake and walked around. From the back side of

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the lake there was a small creek that ran through

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and ran to an area called the iron Grate Bridge,

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that's what we called it. But he was walking back

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there and he made his way through some box elders

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and he come up next to the creek. He was

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crappie fishing, so he comes through the brush and he

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stood up him. On the other side of this creek

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was this dark colored Sasquat said. He noticed that there

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were branches leaned up against the tree. But when it

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come up, it had a branch in his hand, and

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it was moving up and down, and it was He

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called it cooting at him, and it had He had

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purse lips and said that was it. He told me,

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he said that would test any man's constitution. And he's right.

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And so uh after that, he never went back and

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fished there again. Now me, yeah, I was brave enough

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to I would. I went over there, and we were

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fishing out of a canoe in the lake, and we'd

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come up to the north end of the lake, and

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we'd come around fall in the little creek and further north,

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and I looked to my left. Now this is an

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interesting observation. I looked to my left through the small sapling,

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and I seen something big move behind him. Bigger than

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a hog, bigger than a horse, and it was on

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two legs, and I've seen it move, and nowhere else

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in the canoe seen it. But the kid, one of

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the kids that was with me, he was about thirteen.

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She got, I mean definitely ill. He started throwing up

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over the side of the boat and out of the canoe,

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and I think it affected him. It didn't bother me,

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but I think something happened to where it affected him,

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and possibly in for sound. So you know, so many

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things has happened over there. My son Josh had a

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sighting at my mom's house. My aunt had come to visit.

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I can't remember what year or of the day, but

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she had come to visit, and so I figured, well,

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I'm going to go over and visit for a while.

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And there was a rule I taught my kids. I said,

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don't ever go through a door without docking. Well, we're

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sitting there visiting. All of a sudden, my son just

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flames the door open. His eyes are as big as

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silver dollars. And I looked at him and goes, thanks, kay,

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And I actual looked at him, I said, where did

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you see it? I knew what happened, and he said,

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I'm not going to I to him, come on, let's

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go show me where he's at. Nope, I'm not going out, Betty,

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I'm not I'm scared. Nope. So I didn't force him

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the groupmit he had a siding there and uh. I

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had another sighting in two thousand and one there one

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I was visiting my mom and I had it was

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about ten o'clock at night. I said, well, Mom, I'm

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going to leave, so go on the front porch. And

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of course we talked about five more minutes or so,

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and I start walking off the front porch. One I

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had that my brother's little dog had followen you over there,

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a little chilaba mix and had followed the other there.

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So I started to leave. So it followed me off

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the porch, and there was a vapor light at the

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south end of my mom's house pretty close. I was

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in the middle of the oh probably forty yards to

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the fence row from my mom's house that was in

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between the house and the fence. So I'm making my way.

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A cast sriled its shadow on the north end of

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the house. So I make my way to the north

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end of the house. And as soon as I get

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in the shadow, I started hearing this swish, swish, swish. Well,

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I'd heard that sound before in Oklahoma. And what it

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was is when they moved in collar grass, it swishes

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so now its swishes are so big that it pushes

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the grass and it makes a pretty loud noise. Then anyway,

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I knew what that was. So I my mom had

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a fairly good sized cedar tree on the shadowy side,

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kind of to the side of her house, and so

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I make my way towards that tree, and the little dog, Feisty,

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she's right by me, but she's watched in the fence

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from under the tree. So I make it to the

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side of the tree, and all of a sudden, here

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comes this sass watch walking down the fenrol on the

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opposite side of the fence. And it was the same

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color as the one I've seen in eighty four, the

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same color. And it walked, and this time I'm paying

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very very very close attention. It walked and it stopped

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by a shitten tree and it stood there its backwards

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to me, and it kind of looked like it was

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going to cross a road. It looked both ways, and

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then it went away from me at an angle it

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was moving to the southeast from me, and so I

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marked the spot on the tree and I went out

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there the next day day and measured it and it

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was eight and a half foot tall. Yeah, but the

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little dog was right there with me. Didn't make a keep,

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didn't bark, didn't do anything, just watched to walk down

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the fence road. And that was That was the most

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super cool, super cool way to see the Sasquatch. It

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really is. And I just, what's the word I'm looking for, Matt.

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It's a passive sighting. Yeah, And it was calm, and

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you're just soaking all your information. And some of the

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information that I gathered were some of the physical physical aspects.

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And that was the massive amount of muscle that they

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had on. This one had on its back. It almost

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thought it was it had a backpack on. It looked

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almost punched back the muscle, which it's amazing. You know,

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you wonder, okay, well, how can they break trees? Well,

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I'd say that helps you know all of it. The

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must It was incredible and incredible sight. And then uh,

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and it continued. My mom she she had surgery in

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her ankle, and Uh, I went out to stay with

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the for the weekend, you know, and make sure everything

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was okay. She needed anything. Well, I'm sleeping on the

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couch and all of a sudden and at the end

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of the couch there's a painting hanging on the wall

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on the back side of the house, and that the

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backside the house will be to the east. But anyway,

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I'm laying there and all of a sudden, boom, the

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picture jumps off the wall. It did so hard, and

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I'm laying there and I'm going, oh, my gosh, let's

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not start this, guys. But they did. And the last,

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the last time they hit that house before my mom

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passed away, they hit it so hard near the kitchen

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and it knocked one of the cabinets off the wall. Jeez,

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it didn't fall, but it knocked it probably five inches

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off the wall, the top at the top, and it

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just fell forward. It was still connected at the bottom.

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Wasn't from dirt or fields or anything. My mom was

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an immaculate house keeper actually, and or she'd have us

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kids come over and clean or you know. But it

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wasn't because of that. It was because something did at heart.

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She told me she heard it both off it goes

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and there was a lot of weird stuff that went

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on out there, and my brother moved. I had bought

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some property behind, and he moved a mobile home out there.

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He moved it very close to the fence line, the

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sense line they travel, and so his wife's kept telling

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him we need to move, we need to move, and

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he kept saying why. She said, this place is cursed.

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It's cursed, we need to move. Well, they were having

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They told me that one night they were there and

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the whole she end was it. The west side of

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their mobile home got pushed and it actually moved the

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mobile home just just probably four inches. It's almost puishted it.

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And I'm sitting there and oh, my goodness, gracious. And

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eventually they moved. Somebody else moved a mobile home down

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there in the same location after you sold the property.

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You know what happened there, The siding on the south

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west side, the whole section of siding was ripped off.

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That mobile home ripped off, just torm ah. So they

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were pretty aggressive, But a lot of times they weren't aggressive.

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You know, I just didn't I thought they didn't want

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anybody there because they've been there a whole lot longer

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than any of us.

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Speaker 1: Had did anything unusual with them happen after your mind past.

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Speaker 2: My brother had passed before my mom, My oldest brother

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passed before my mom did. He was he was very ill,

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he had cancer. But but after my mom passed, everybody

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was kind of the property sold so and actually I

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told the people. After my mom passed, my sister in

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law was still there with him at my brother's house,

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and she rented this this house, my mom's house, to somebody.

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And I told the people before they moved in, I said,

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there are some things that are out here that you

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might not understand that happens. And I said, please, whatever

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you do, do not shoot one. And she said one.

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I said, guests, do not shoot one. You're not going

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to hurt you. Please don't shoot one. And that I

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actually told that to the tenants, and she was in agreement.

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I won't. She said, well, what is it. I said,

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it's a Sasquatch or Sasquatch family. And I found baby

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tracks around my mom's house too, and conducted part of

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the study, fourteen year long study there too. But that's

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that's a whole other ballgame. But no, I don't think, well,

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there's some other things that happened there. I mean, I

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know this is big Foot Crosserenture. A lot of different

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things that happened there. It was a high activity area

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for a lot of things. You know, a lot of

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UFO siding was there, a lot of lights, a lot

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of orbs, which I don't connect the big Foot, but

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that's I've seen them. Went out to she was a

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bill and I went out there and I was going

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to stad the night with her, and I threw an

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old foam mattress down, a little thin foam mattress on

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the floor, is going to sleep on it. I'm down

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there and you know, it's dark, and all of a sudden,

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here she's little orbs, red green, just moving through the house,

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moving around. And I said, you know, I can't deal

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with his wasn't really afraid, but just threw the blanket

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over the head wind sleep, let it. Let it happen.

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And there was always bright lights, not always, but on

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occasion he's really super bright white lights, I mean blinding

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would just automatically come through the window from outside. As

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a matter of fact, it happened so much my mom

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put up two blankets over the window. She put one

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up because of the light was at the end of

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her vapor light was at the end of her house

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and her window face that way, but she had to

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put two up because these bright flashes were coming through

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her wind. So what that was, I'm not sure. Yeah,

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you know, you can go either direction with it. It

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was a lot of paranormal stuff that happened there, a lot.

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So did I connect it with the sasquatch there? Now

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I didn't, but I found that they there's a lot

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of that stuff that goes on in the areas that

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they're active in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So after studying this phenomenon for so long, where's

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your head at with that paranormal stuff? Now do you

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think there's a connection or do you think they're just

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drawn to it? Why does this stuff seem to happen

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in the same areas like that sometimes?

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Speaker 2: Here, let me tell you a story. This happened in

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two thousand and nine in a highly active, high active area.

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There's a lot of activity there and would when I'm

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my expedition the investigation.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 2: We had was in a uh dad gum, big big

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suburban and from my friend's friends. Yet he said he

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had been having an encounters there. So but anyway, as

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we were diving through this area. Which side. Okay, this

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is if we're going to set up. Well, we stopped

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the vehicle and it was a night and the loon

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was out, So this ties in with your question. But

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we're sitting there and all of a sudden we see

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there's movement and my friends in the back he's got

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night vision and he's talking. He said, well, I got this,

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I got this. Words you and down on this and

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I mean perfect eye signing the top of the head

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and the eyes reflecting. Ah, so we got that, I said, okay,

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and you to see where it was on a little berm,

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a little heel, and it was just looking at us

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over the field and it had its arms in front

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of it. So we it backed down. You know, we

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went behind these uh little thicket of trees. I don't

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know what kind of trees they were. So me and

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the other guy we got out. We said, okay, we're

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gonna work our way towards that tree line with our

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video cameras and then we're we're gonna raise the cameras

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up over these trees and see what's behind it. Well,

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we raised our cameras up, started to turn them on,

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and when we turned them on. Both gotteries died that

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quick instantly died and that was another incident that took place.

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But I think there could be. You know, these things

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are happening on lay lines. I mean, if you if

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you look at the UFOs in the paranormal, a lot

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of it takes place on lay lines and the rock

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what are we kind of soil and rock? It is

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like high iron content. I can't I haven't early went

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into that study. That's another aspect of it. But UH,

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as far as connected connected, I can't say that because

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I haven't seen I haven't seen a sasquatch come out

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of the UFO, okay, But but I will say this.

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We went on another UH investigation up at the South

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Sulfur River and there is a lot of people there,

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allow I'm saying six people. So we had went off

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in a kind of separate ways and we're in radio

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contact with each other, and myself and this young man

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walked to the back of this property and we're settingly

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and all of a sudden we look coming to the

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left and up in the sky is this disc shape

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with white going around it. Goodyear e thing. But we've

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seen that and it hadn't been dead most of the night.

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But after we've seen that, we've heard a sasquatch call

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happened and it was too well, it was to our north,

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and I said, holy cow. And then all of a sudden,

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radio pops. Hey, come back to the truck, Come back

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to the truck. So we go back to the truck

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and ah, somebody's got a rifle and a rifle scope

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and they're watching this this disc shape of the sky.

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Everybody watched it, look at it. So that happened, but

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that activity is high activity. I've seen UFOs at my

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mom's before I see him coming over with a tree line.

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There was another one that was there at half my

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brother he was laying in bed, his wife and him

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was laying in bed. And also they're this wow. And

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my brother says, oh, dad, gum cat down out of

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the house and down into the electrical wiring. Well, he says, Anita,

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will you go kick and see what's up. So she

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gets up and she heads out to the front deck

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they have. It's not covered. They had a small pond

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that's to their house. Well, she opens the door and

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she steps out and there is this huge white disc.

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It's just bright white and it's hovering over this pond. Well,

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as soon as she steps out, it starts moving across

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the street to the lake. So and then there's been

473
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,799
There was just a lot of stuff. And my brother

474
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:05,680
didn't tell me everything. It was real close. Looked about it,

475
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,440
but he totally soon and he did tell me that

476
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,680
he stepped off the front porch to go to the

477
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,519
side of his house. You know, country and you know,

478
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,880
you had to relieve yourself sometimes that's a country thing.

479
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,240
But anyway, he sets out and there's a there's a

480
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:29,599
sasquatch standing at the end of his house and he

481
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,599
walks probably ten feet from it. Wow, it turns, it

482
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,400
turns and goes the other way. And he turns and

483
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,359
goes the other way, you know. But there was that

484
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,680
much activity on that property and on my son and

485
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,160
I Luke Trey, I call him looked the third. Anyway,

486
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,519
we used to go out behind the house and we

487
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:55,200
would sit right there and listen to the sasquatch call

488
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:59,319
out like a long call, and they scared the cattle

489
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,599
up to the front of this property. And remember my wife,

490
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,480
my wife, my mom has a vapor light at the

491
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,319
end of that in of her house and it shined

492
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,240
harshly over into the past the next door, and so

493
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,359
all the cows have grown up, and then all of

494
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,799
a sudden, a donkey would go the opposite direction of

495
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:20,200
the cows have head towards the back. This was my

496
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,359
my wife's introduction to sasquatch, because we've just just come

497
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:32,720
home and from Cindy Goodbreak's house, and all of a sudden,

498
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,480
I'm watching this, My wife's watching what's going on. You

499
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:37,839
see the cows move up front, the donkey go back,

500
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,359
and this donkey and this sasquatch is having an argument.

501
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:48,000
The donkey would go off, and then this sasquatch would

502
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,440
make a war, and my wife it's just she says,

503
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,079
oh no, I said, oh no, stay stage steak. She

504
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,839
come up over my back to get in the house

505
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:03,400
because we've leaning, or she'd come up over the over

506
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,119
my back to get into that house. So she went,

507
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,559
she went in. She was scared, but she finally had

508
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,200
a siding years later. But yeah, but I can't I

509
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,960
can't make a connection. But I can see why people

510
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,200
do make a connection. Uh just high paranormal activity maybe. Uh,

511
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,079
if you're out in the in the sticks, you know,

512
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,720
way out there at the UFO's white or UAP whatever

513
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,720
you call them. Now, are you know they're out there

514
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:36,960
because it's far away from people. Well Sasquatch are far

515
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,079
away from people, and researchers are far away from people,

516
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,880
and they just might eat all off the same time.

517
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:48,680
You never know, But that's my that's my view, and

518
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,960
some some people say otherwise. But I could. I've never

519
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:56,079
never experienced it, so I can't. I can't say for sure.

520
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,079
Speaker 1: My mind is sitting here going through the rolodex of

521
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:09,039
things that I've heard you mentioned over the years, and

522
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,280
I'm trying to choose a direction. I mean, you have

523
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,039
spent a tremendous amount of time studying these things, and

524
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,079
you were in a position to really, I think, accomplish

525
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,960
more than a lot of people, because, like you're saying,

526
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,400
you had years of activity on family property. That's a

527
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:35,320
rare commodity, you know, that's not a weekend warrior going

528
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,280
out blindly to some spot for a few days and

529
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,239
then going back home because it's time to go back

530
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,400
to work. So the first thing you mentioned several times

531
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,519
mobile homes being on the property. I remember years ago

532
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,960
you made a connection that I thought was very interesting

533
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,760
with mobile homes and sasquatch specifically.

534
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember it.

535
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: Is there a connection? Are they drawn to mobile homes?

536
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,519
Speaker 2: Well, if they're interested in food, and that's not where

537
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:10,400
I'm going with this, but I've found where they they

538
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,400
were eating ants, okay, and bears are also bears are

539
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,119
also attracted to this. Ah. But mobile home manufacturers, well

540
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:25,840
it's back then used famelde hyde two and put on

541
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,119
insulation in the mobile home. They used famelda hide, right,

542
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,679
And that is a major attractive to bears. And it

543
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,199
smells what it does, it puts off an odor like ants,

544
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,119
and that could be attracting the sasquatch to the mobile homes.

545
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,840
You know, that's just that's one theory. Of course, it's

546
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,440
a smell of food. And I know my mama was

547
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,000
a damn good cook.

548
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:59,079
Speaker 1: So I remember the formaldehyde thing and the connection ants.

549
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:02,840
Something that I always been curious about, and I've given

550
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,639
this a lot of thought. Kitchen windows a lot of

551
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,119
times these things get spotted in kitchen windows on mobile

552
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:14,519
homes specifically, but in houses too. And if you think

553
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,559
about the kitchen window, oftentimes they're above the sink and

554
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,519
sit a little bit higher off the ground than a

555
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:24,880
typical window would And in mobile homes a lot of

556
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,920
times there's a little exhaust fan right next to the

557
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,480
sink that kind of sits in position next to the

558
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,760
stove where you could open up that fan and it

559
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,000
would draw, you know, the heat and the smoke from

560
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:41,639
the stove and blow it outside, which I always thought

561
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:44,639
would be just a huge attracting.

562
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: That's a really good observation. And you know that's a

563
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,840
great observation, and you're a hundred percent right. It will

564
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,119
be perfect because I know my mom. Every night, it

565
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,599
didn't matter. It was like fock work. At a certain time,

566
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,840
she closed her drapes. Drapes were never left open. The

567
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,039
lines were pulled down and the drapes were closed every

568
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:11,599
night and no matter what. So and I asked, Mom,

569
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,639
what did are you closer? Swere? I just don't want

570
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:18,280
anybody uh looking in here? And I said, okay, But

571
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,559
she knew, she knew they were there. Yeah, And she

572
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,480
told me one night, said this is just from this

573
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:30,440
one property outside a little poh dunked town well, Oak, Texas.

574
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,599
And she told me that she had walked to her

575
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,679
front porch where she had the door closed, but the

576
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,719
storm door was opened the last door, and she looked

577
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,880
towards the road and she seemed too sasquat standing there,

578
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,400
and I said, well, what was going on? Mom? She said,

579
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,599
they looked like they were having a conversation. That's exactly

580
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,239
what she said. And the car started coming down the

581
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,840
road and she's seen the lights hit them. And then

582
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,159
they rested across to that little staging area I was

583
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:07,960
talking about earlier. They went back into treets and then

584
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:11,559
to see that, to see that, that would be oh

585
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,880
my gosh, you know what. They must have been using

586
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,119
hand motions or you know, looked like they were having

587
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,519
a conversation, which I do believe they have.

588
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: Have you heard the talking?

589
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, amazing that place in Arkansas I was telling

590
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,679
you about where the camels wet dead. We pulled up

591
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,480
when as soon as we got there and we pulled up,

592
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,400
the sun was down, but it was still kind of

593
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,599
you know, light, not real light. We all got there

594
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,599
were six of us. We got out of the the suburban.

595
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,800
We got out and we closed the doors, and all

596
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,119
of a sudden, a conversation began in the middle of

597
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:58,039
the woods in the dark. Language I did not understand.

598
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:03,599
It almost sounded ative American but not. But it had

599
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,760
the same almost the same song type sound to it.

600
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,960
But I have heard that, and uh I've actually recorded

601
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,599
some which was I played it to somebody out of

602
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,360
the Celtic Festival if we were out. We were we

603
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,559
were out there at Celtic Fest, wh as bigfoot researchers.

604
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,159
We were talking about the wood Woes and the European

605
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:35,119
Bigfoot in comparison to the North American Sasquatch. And uh

606
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,559
so that was cool. But I played at yap that

607
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:43,239
some recordings in Cassie. I know one night I always

608
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,239
had a good speaker on this computer or a play

609
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,599
it for you. That one night she had the letter

610
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,679
dogs out and it was a little smaller finished in

611
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,599
area in our backyard that they would go out to.

612
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,599
So we would let them go outside, and she would

613
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:00,880
always go to the back door. And one thing she

614
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,679
always said, come on guys. And as soon as she said,

615
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,639
I had a digital reporter set up next to my house.

616
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,119
I can explain that later, but uh it ties in.

617
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:17,599
But as soon as she said that, this gruff low

618
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:22,760
voice like oh, and I got it on their corner.

619
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,519
It says I played it out there and I scared

620
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,480
people with it. Holy h man, you know that's what

621
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:33,599
they were saying, but that was that was in Golden Texas.

622
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,920
But yeah, I've heard I've heard that the language before.

623
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,639
I've recorded some of it and it didn't sound like

624
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:47,039
wrong warheads that that doesn't doesn't matter because you know,

625
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:50,719
this is a totally different area, a different spot, so

626
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:54,400
you know they could have different variations and speaking.

627
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,039
Speaker 1: I kind of want to just rip the band aid off.

628
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: Rreck carreck, rip it.

629
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: You know, like you were talking earlier before we went

630
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,519
on air, started out these things are some sort of

631
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:13,960
undiscovered ape and I think that's the starting point for

632
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,239
a lot of people. That was the starting point for myself.

633
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: Me too, Me too.

634
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: But now we're talking about talking right your mom observing

635
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:29,360
them having a conversation. I know a lot of your

636
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:37,760
later study has been kind of focused on the glyph phenomenon. Hmm.

637
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: I won't call them glyphs though, but you're right, what

638
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:49,000
do you call them? Syllabics? Okay, that makes sense, not glyphs.

639
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,920
And oh yeah, that's a fourteen year long study.

640
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: How much are you willing to talk about it?

641
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:03,159
Speaker 2: Well, not much right now? Okay, I could tell you

642
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,760
how it began, but I can't. It's still in progress,

643
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,840
as a matter of fact, still in progress to this day.

644
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:16,000
But there's Matt, there has been. I can say this,

645
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,599
there's been a major breakthrough, okay, and I'm talking one

646
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:26,239
that will put you on the ground and I couldn't

647
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,519
believe it. But that's all I can say about it.

648
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,119
But it's going to be released September twenty fifth and

649
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:37,719
twenty sixth. But I can tell you how it started.

650
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,119
You want to go there?

651
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay.

652
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: I had noticed being in the field and even across

653
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,599
the street when I would go fishing from across the

654
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,320
street from my mom's land go fishing, I noticed things

655
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,079
on trails going back through the little wooded areas well.

656
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:02,840
I would see these branches still always straight, not cricket

657
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,760
or anything, laid in little patterns on the ground. And

658
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,159
and most people nowadays know them as glyphs. You know,

659
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:15,280
you had Tom Kintrail and a lot of other people

660
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:23,000
that had studied the glyphs. But anyway, this is going

661
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:24,719
to be kind of a long story, is that. Okay?

662
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's what we're here for.

663
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Well I will, I will. Anyway,

664
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:33,599
I started out with them there, and then I noticed people,

665
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:40,280
you know, they were posting photos of these syllabics from

666
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,400
their research areas. And then another area where I was researching,

667
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:48,920
I noticed them along the trails we were It was

668
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,639
like a long hike into this one area, but I

669
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,599
noticed these syllabics on the edge of the trail that

670
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,000
we were taking. And you might have a little half

671
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,599
box shape, you might have a box, you might have

672
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:06,039
a triangle, you might have a small X. And I'm

673
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:10,599
looking at these and I instantly thought of the bonobo chimpanzee,

674
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:16,039
because the bone pen zee will leave little signs with

675
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:20,519
leaves and little sticks on logs. But what they're doing

676
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:25,000
is they're telling any troops behind them that's coming the

677
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,920
directions that they're traveling. And I started thinking about that.

678
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,800
It's you know, you have you have tree brakes, you

679
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,159
know at the eight foot level seven foot level, you know,

680
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,880
they're broken over, and they're pointing in certain directions. And

681
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,360
in all that, I didn't have any answers to that

682
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:50,559
for a while, but they are directional markers. I can

683
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,480
say that that. Anyway, I started seeing these, and I

684
00:44:54,519 --> 00:45:00,840
started seeing photos from people taking photos of themsel I

685
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,159
contacted these people when we were taking photographs of them,

686
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:09,760
and I said, how would you like to be in

687
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:16,400
a little study, And the people I asked said, sure,

688
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,639
let's try it. Let's let's do and so we, uh

689
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,320
everybody involved, start taking photographs of them, and we compiled

690
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,920
everything into a chart. In the chart we wound up

691
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:36,920
having and these are just ground based cours, all branches.

692
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,800
There's none in the trees, no curves at all. Anyway,

693
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,039
we started seeing these and so we started having people

694
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:50,400
put these out in the areas. There was one one

695
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:55,239
syllabate that I would give to people just that wasn't

696
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,559
involved in the study. I'm going too deep in this.

697
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,199
I can't do that. But anyway I can say this.

698
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,000
There was one.

699
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: Syllaban control.

700
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes and no. The one syllabic was a

701
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:14,199
part of this. May he used part, but I would

702
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:21,559
take it. And it's branches one branch fairly straight, half

703
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:25,559
inch in diameter, twenty four inches long, one branch, the

704
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,000
four branches twelve inches long, half inch in diameter. He

705
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:36,440
takes that syllabic, you breast the ground under it, get

706
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,400
all the debris off, and he placed its syllabic on

707
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,239
the ground with the long branch as a as a

708
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:50,039
vertical branch, and then the four even least faced apart

709
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,280
horizontally on the branch. And if you're an activity, you'll

710
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,800
just go place that off the trail near a water source,

711
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,000
but along a game trail, but not a human tree,

712
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,679
maybe three feet off a game trail, and you place

713
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,400
that and walk away and go out there the next

714
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,880
day or the day after, and see what happens. It changes.

715
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,280
It will change into a complete other symbol syllabic. The

716
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,199
patterns changed on. It was interesting and it was very

717
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:33,039
very interesting. And so who and these were just random researchers.

718
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,360
They said, well, and I tell them, change it back

719
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,719
to how you put it down first, and they do

720
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,000
it again, and it come. They'd come back and it

721
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:45,320
be it would be changed again and to another another pattern.

722
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:51,360
It will be changed to another pattern. So something was

723
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,719
going on. I had to tie this together with myself.

724
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,679
I can't go too deep in it, but uh in

725
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:06,280
two thousand and ten had a siding in an area

726
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,880
not too far from Gulden, Texas. A matter of fact,

727
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,119
there's in Mineola, Texas. AH. I went back to test

728
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,840
the camera that when my friends in said had sent me,

729
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,639
and he tricked this camera out where you could use

730
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,599
night vision in the daytime and see under trees. Anything

731
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,559
under the trees which is that's dark would pop, you

732
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:31,320
would see it plainly. So I went to test the

733
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,159
camera out. I walked I think it was three miles

734
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,679
in to the to the river. Well, I'm sitting there,

735
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,159
you know, talking to the camera and explaining what I'm

736
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:43,800
doing and all that, and I'm watching these The river's

737
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,119
not very high. It might have been a foot deep

738
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,880
foot and a half deep. It was a drought year.

739
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:57,280
But anyway, I'm watching these little pebbles hit the waterpop,

740
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,960
and you know, I'm looking at the camera, but I'm

741
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,239
looking to the side towards where this is happening. Oh

742
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,519
my gosh, no minnows. It wasn't was any anything like that,

743
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:14,039
no fish, And so I wrapped it up and I

744
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:15,960
start leaving the area. Well, I have a camera on

745
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,719
the tripod, and as I get it's along an old

746
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,920
railroad bed. And this railroad bed is covered with you know,

747
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,119
small rocks, and so they recently cut a fresh trail

748
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,519
to the right of this railroad bed. Pine need a

749
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:34,559
little soft you know, easy walking, So I told him.

750
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,079
I said, well, I'm not walking on the rocks and

751
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,519
on locking thse pine needles stuff there. So I take

752
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:44,519
off and I go down and walking along and I

753
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,840
hear something behind me, and I take the camera. I

754
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,440
turn it on and just raise it up over my

755
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,239
shoulder and I'm filming over my shoulder. Love. The sound stopped,

756
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:59,559
and it was something moving in the brush. And this

757
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:05,679
area is pine trees, and there's some sweet young trees

758
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,400
and oak trees, but they're very they're tall, and the

759
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,559
canopy goes up now maybe eight feet, and it levels

760
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,599
off so's you can see through them. Anyway, I'm walking

761
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:20,280
down this trail and all of a sudden I see

762
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,480
something to my right. I see a pair of legs,

763
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:28,800
huge tall pair of legs. It's kind of bult spots

764
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,480
on the side, but then hairy everywhere else. And I

765
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:36,679
stop and I just yell as loud as I can hey,

766
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:42,840
and it stopped boom. It backed up and got behind

767
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,840
this it'll be the tree, probably not even twenty inches around,

768
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,679
and it knelt down and I'm sitting there, holy crap,

769
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,159
and I'm looking I'm dead at it. I'm looking dead

770
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:02,119
at it, and so camera i'ms on and I'm walking

771
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,280
toward it, and i'm talking because I'm going to show

772
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,559
this everybody in this study, you know. And I'm walking

773
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:12,440
towards it, getting closer. Of course, I'm watching the ground

774
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,599
because it's June and there's snakes, so I'm looking down

775
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,199
at the ground. Now I'm looking up. I'm walking closer.

776
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,920
And its head was down. So as I'm walking closer,

777
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,079
a rock comes flaming from behind me rather than you

778
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,400
can hear rattle through the streets. Conceived it on the video,

779
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,880
and I didn't look back, but I knew there was

780
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,719
another one there, so I continue, I'm getting closer. But

781
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,599
after that rock was calm, and I looked back, or

782
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,000
was looking. It raised its head up and it started

783
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:48,840
looking at me, and I said, okay, I keep going.

784
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,159
I'm walking closer and closer dad, and moved from that spot,

785
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,400
and I don't know, I've got twenty five yards from it, probably,

786
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,599
and another rock comes from behind, rattles through the creeps

787
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:05,480
right around, and this time I turn around and looked.

788
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,320
I turn around and looked, Now, did I look back.

789
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,800
This thing's gone. What I was looking at was gone.

790
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,239
Did not see it, did not hear it. It just

791
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,320
walked away, I guess. But uh, anyway, I had that encounter.

792
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,119
I hiked out and I said, man, that was awesome.

793
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,679
That was cool adrenaline junkie. Yeah that was me back then,

794
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:34,480
but it's anyway, it was huge. Man, I'm walking out.

795
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:39,320
I'm happy, you know. And I get home and watch

796
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,039
it and yell, everything was there. And I pulled stills

797
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:46,760
off the off the film and I've shown people in

798
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,960
They're like, holy crap, except they need more other words

799
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:56,199
than crap, believe me. But anyway, okay, I had that sighting.

800
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:59,960
And that sighting was probably four miles from my home

801
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:07,280
in Golden And one night I was at home and

802
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,679
I was sitting there. I was creaking chicken outside, Barbara

803
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,719
King chicken. This is November again. I we dad outside.

804
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,800
I had a little jacket on and my head lamp

805
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,719
and I'm enjoying myself setting down in front of this

806
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,760
little grill, cool chicken. Gay In any way, a rock

807
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,519
lands right next to me. Boom. And this is in

808
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,239
the country, not far out in the country though, And

809
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,199
a rock lands next to me. And I say, I

810
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,880
know what that is. I know where it came from.

811
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,719
So I got up. I have a had a vapor

812
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,000
light outside next to the fence, which was south of

813
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:50,320
my house. And so I get up, walk towards the

814
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:55,119
cents row and I pick up some branches. I pick

815
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,880
up some branches and I break them into the length

816
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,159
I wanted, and I held them up over my head

817
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,159
and I shook them, and I looked in the direction

818
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,880
I thought the Sasquaks was at, and I shook them,

819
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,320
and then I if it's a dog carrier or a

820
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,360
dog crpe next to the fence, a big crate and

821
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,199
it's about waist high. So I took the branches and

822
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,000
I weighed them down in that pattern but always give everybody,

823
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,800
and I laid them on top of that the crate,

824
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:28,239
and I walked back and I continue cooking my chicken. Well,

825
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,079
I go out the next morning and looked it's changed

826
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:40,480
another another uh into another symbol. But that continued. That

827
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:50,480
interchange of syllabics lasted four years. Wow, it lasted four years.

828
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,559
And I said, you know how I am and or

829
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:57,239
how I was anyway, I have to prove this is

830
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,840
taking place. I have to get a picture of what

831
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:04,400
it's doing this because anybody asked to say Oh, it's

832
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,679
a rabbit, it's a bird, it's an hell, it's wind,

833
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,960
it's rain or whatever. And I knew better because I've

834
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
found tracks. And they'd come up to the side of

835
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,239
my garden and lay down and look at the house.

836
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:17,639
If I didn't go out and interact with them with it,

837
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,199
with the syllabic, they would come up and hit the

838
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:25,880
side of the house boom and Murphact photographs were the

839
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,679
side of my house was oxidized. The pain on it

840
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,480
was and you can see the hair impressions in the

841
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,280
oxidized paint where they get the side of the house.

842
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:37,400
But anyway, I had to prove it. I had to

843
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,760
prove this. That photographed everything. I documented everything, and so

844
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,039
I took a game came on. I put out an

845
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:47,280
old lawnmower, riding lawnmower at the pretty much at the

846
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,920
back of the property, but the tail end of it

847
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:53,239
the back of a taste where I was putting these

848
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,239
syllabic down on top of the carrier. So I said, oh, no,

849
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,000
they'll never see it. So I strapped it on there.

850
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:08,000
And before I go any further with this story, on

851
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:10,360
the property next door, there used to be a house

852
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,519
there but there was trees and stuff growing up on

853
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,519
it now, but as a very bat next to the

854
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:18,719
fence was a little pretend truck, a toy truck, but

855
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,519
it's a riding one, and it was, you know, sitting

856
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:24,360
there and had wheels probably I don't know, ten inches across.

857
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,320
It was just sitting there. It sat there for years,

858
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,519
never touched. But I put the game camera on and

859
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:38,679
attempted to take a photograph and I all action interactions

860
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:45,679
stopped done. Nothing happened after that. So I was out

861
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,840
there checking the game camera one day and I looked

862
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,800
over to that little toy tractor yellow and it was

863
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,039
flipped over upside down with the wheels sticking up. Okay,

864
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,480
you have a lawnmower over here that has four wheels,

865
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,960
and you have this little toy tractor over here with

866
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,639
four wheels turned upside down. And I immediately knew what

867
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,280
they were saying, because I know there was any animals

868
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,400
or kids or anything over there to flip that upside down.

869
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:21,320
And it's set there for years, so that interaction had stopped.

870
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,440
So I said, okay, so I took it. I put

871
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,920
a camera. I strut a game camera on a stream

872
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,719
on some cordage up into the trees twenty feet above

873
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:39,079
where these syllables were being placed. No luck, no luck.

874
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:42,360
But I did move the camera to a cedar tree

875
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,159
and I faced it directly towards the a tree next

876
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:50,840
to this syllavant area. And I'm sitting there. Yeah, I'm

877
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:56,400
not gonna get anything. Well. Uh, I went out and

878
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,519
checked the camera.

879
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 4: The SD brought it in, looked at it. A huge

880
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,760
set of eyes next to that tree, eye shine huge.

881
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,840
And I said, holy crap. You know why I caught

882
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:12,320
that that picture.

883
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,599
Speaker 2: It's because a little brown bat flew in front of

884
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:18,519
the camera.

885
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,199
Speaker 1: And I set it off, just triggered it at the

886
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:21,960
right time.

887
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: Just at the right time. I got the photographs and everything. Ah.

888
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:31,960
But that that continued and then so everything after that

889
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:35,079
on my end died down. Now it continued around the country,

890
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,239
you know, everybody else with their their syllabics. It continued.

891
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:48,280
And then it's everything slowed down. Things happened that I

892
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,639
had to started the company, and we kind of backed

893
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,360
off of it for a little while because we weren't

894
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,639
getting any of our results, major results, nothing we could understand.

895
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:04,480
You know. I thought one of my main things was

896
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:09,480
I was going to discover the origins because it's possible

897
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:14,960
they learned how to use these syllabics from where they

898
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:20,199
came from, where the original sasquatch came from anyway, And

899
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,840
I started looking, well, anybody that wants to to see

900
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:30,960
we released the study our findings on af You go

901
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,440
to YouTube and go to big Foot under Our Under

902
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,920
the Radar, Bigfoot under the Radar. There are I believe

903
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,480
there's five films there of the release. They're all about

904
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:44,400
fifteen minutes long, and we cover everything that we did.

905
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,320
And at that point in time, there was one hundred

906
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,639
and twenty three different syllabics that they were using, and

907
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:56,039
that was just horizontal placed on the ground flat one

908
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:01,159
hundred and twenty three at that time. Oh so that

909
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:03,519
there's there was other things that was discovered that I

910
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:06,760
can't can't go into right now, but that's all public

911
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,880
knowledge there so and oh wait, let me say this.

912
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,840
And the only reason I think that that sasquatch come

913
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,199
up to me and through the rock at me, it

914
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,079
wasn't because it wanted me to go. It was there.

915
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:24,840
I know that, or it wouldn't have thrown the rock.

916
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,239
But that area I was in at the time, and

917
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,519
we were we talked quite a bit. You can't catch

918
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:34,360
you talk quite a bit back then. That area is there,

919
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:41,280
there are so much activity around it down the road.

920
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,119
I found out just not long I don't know, not

921
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:51,440
long after, there was things happening on properties a quarter

922
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,960
a mile away from me. And but I always have

923
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,599
something I called what I thought was scent association. If

924
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:04,000
you have an encounter and you see one or even

925
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:09,639
if it sees you and it smells you. Because my

926
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:13,480
dogs know my sin m okay, and they can smell

927
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,519
me and find me. But you know, and this might

928
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,320
be a stretch, but I'm thinking that they can remember

929
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,239
you if they see you, and if they smell you,

930
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:26,519
but they remember you. And I'm thinking the one that

931
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,000
I had coming up to my house in Golden is

932
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:35,519
possibly the one I seen outside of the Miniola. Actually

933
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:37,920
that took place at the Mineola Nature Reserve where I

934
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,920
had that sighting. Yet oh, and that's why I think

935
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,880
they came up there. It's just saying, hey, I'm over here,

936
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:49,480
you see me. You know. I don't know that that

937
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:51,280
might be stretching it, but I.

938
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: Mean, no, We've heard lots of stories about them following

939
01:01:53,800 --> 01:02:00,360
people home from areas, right at least within reason. At

940
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,639
least within reason. I mean, some people believe they, you know,

941
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,000
will travel to another state and find you. But I

942
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,159
don't know about that, but it stands to reason. I

943
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,920
mean my friends, you know, Dan and VICKI, they definitely

944
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,400
followed them back to their place.

945
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, And you know that's I just find

946
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,320
it interesting, you know. Okay, I'm sitting there, Okay, I've

947
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,719
been found again. I move away. I've been sound again. Well,

948
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,519
and then I moved from that area housecot fire, so

949
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,679
I had to move, and I move I don't know,

950
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,400
maybe eighteen miles away. Of course, I'm only two miles

951
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,960
away from the Sabine River, which is a huge, highly

952
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,639
active area, highly active, and I've been all of a sudden,

953
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:51,119
I start gathering reports from this area, you know, just

954
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:54,800
talking to people small chip chat, you know, and I

955
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,280
might say, well, if you see me weird stuff out

956
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,559
there in the woods. There's a lot of hunters in

957
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:02,760
them and a lot of fishermen. So yeah, I can't reports.

958
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,199
And I have a really big stand up forest spot

959
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:11,760
and the neighbor comes up to me, you know, Luke,

960
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,960
I'm seeing these dark shadows out the woods. I said

961
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,000
shadows and I say, oh, big, big shadows. Oh here

962
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:23,760
we go again, you know. And I took that one

963
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:27,480
syllabic and I placed it out there. But it's pretty

964
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,920
thick to get too from the woods to my yard,

965
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,719
and I never had any action on it. So yeah,

966
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,599
but it's amazing to me. There's so so many things

967
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:43,159
that that go on that you know, I can ramble forever. Man,

968
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:46,320
I can talk about this, you know, the the themb

969
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,719
We're going to have in September. Cassie says, well, I

970
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,920
would like you to tell your story and do presentation

971
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:58,039
on it. I said, Cassie, do you have like two

972
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:03,719
or three days? Yeah, I give only you know, the

973
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,079
pile things and talk about it. That's I've had so

974
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:09,239
much happened to me and slean so much, and you know,

975
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,159
it's it's but you know, what is so so satisfying

976
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,360
is to see other people finding the same things and

977
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:21,400
verifying you finding. That's a blast. Then you sit down

978
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,159
and talk to somebody, you know, have you ever seen

979
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:29,519
a sasquatch tracking or found footprints that were facing a deer?

980
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,199
You know, I have. I've found across the street from

981
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:35,920
my mom's uh, you know, or follow a set of

982
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,039
tracks and come to a huge weed that's that hollow

983
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,119
stem and the top of the weed's broken over in

984
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:47,119
a long, long stem of hay has been seved down

985
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:50,760
the middle. And you look at the bottom of this plant,

986
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,039
this weed, and there's a fire mp now and you

987
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:58,280
grab this little this blade of hay and you cool

988
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:03,960
it up, and there's fire ants with larven all over it,

989
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,639
all over it. And there's two footprints at the base

990
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:11,519
of this this weed. You know, what does that say?

991
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:17,440
So just like chumps within the termites in Africa, Yeah, exactly,

992
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:22,039
that's tool usage and that and you know, I knew

993
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:27,920
about the tool of usage in Africa with a chimpanzees,

994
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,360
but yeah, you know, it's stuff like that that just

995
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:33,719
fired me up. I kept learning and learning. That was

996
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,480
what I wanted to do, was learn, you know, and

997
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,239
and you know, I had a library on zoology, biology,

998
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,519
anything that does with the woods, has to do with

999
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,280
the woods, I had. I had it, and I read

1000
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:52,360
the books and because I wanted to learn more information.

1001
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:56,559
You know, people said on there, I'm sorry, you know,

1002
01:05:56,679 --> 01:05:59,159
to any listeners that might get offended to this, but

1003
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:04,559
you know, everybody sits on their information and we ain't

1004
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:07,480
never going to learn a thing if we don't come

1005
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,800
off our information and start talking about it.

1006
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,679
Speaker 1: How much have we missed because of our own ego

1007
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:17,199
and arrogance to begin with?

1008
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: Tons Now, I kept everything close to my chest. Yeah,

1009
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,360
I'm nope, nope, nope. Of course there were good reasons

1010
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,840
for that, but uh, you know, I just I would

1011
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,840
love for people to show their information they got. We

1012
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,599
would learn so much and you know that's that's why

1013
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:40,320
I'm making this big reveal in September, is because people

1014
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,400
need to know this. You know, I'm not going and

1015
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,559
another reason, I'll be honest with you, I'm getting older

1016
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:48,920
and you know, I don't know how much time I

1017
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,920
have left. So if I die with it, there's a

1018
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,880
handful of people that have it. They have this information.

1019
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:03,440
Nobody else is going to have it, and you can't progress.

1020
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,840
I don't see here. Let me say this. I think

1021
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,480
the research community has come to a standstill and it'll wall.

1022
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,639
I really do, because I hear zen stories over and

1023
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:19,719
over and over and over, nothing new.

1024
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: Well, they were following a dead end, right yeah, yeah.

1025
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just okay, let's let's regroup, you know,

1026
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,440
And that's one of the reasons. When I started this,

1027
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:36,519
I wanted to learn everything I could. And I started

1028
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:41,519
out as a firm ape believer. It's nothing but a

1029
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:45,239
big ape, that's all I thought. That's all I thought.

1030
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:51,119
But as I went through the years, grown older and

1031
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,880
researched more, I learned more. And heck, some of them.

1032
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,400
I have a piece of information over here. That's a

1033
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,880
piece of the puzzle. It's might be the piece of

1034
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,400
your puzzle. It could be the piece of anybody's spoken.

1035
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:08,960
They might have that one piece. But if they're not

1036
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,599
telling anybody about it, the puzzle is not going to

1037
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:16,000
be solved. It will not be solved. But you know,

1038
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:20,239
I'm I'm I speak candidly and that's okay. I'm old enough,

1039
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,520
and and you know, if people get mad at me,

1040
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,560
that's okay. That's how I am. I want out And

1041
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,800
you can ask everybody. You probably not, I tell you

1042
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,680
how I feel. You know, I'm brutally honest and sometimes

1043
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,960
to a fault, but uh, I've heard people's feelings being honest,

1044
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,439
but it's not on purpose. It's just I like telling it,

1045
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,960
telling it how it is. And and you know, we

1046
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,439
had all those people in that one group. Yeah, there

1047
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,960
was a lot of people, man, a lot of people

1048
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,600
I wanted And all you know why there were so

1049
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:04,279
many people, Matt, is because we wanted I wanted all

1050
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,760
the information I could get, and I wanted everybody to

1051
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,520
learn at the same time about it. And information would

1052
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:18,000
flowed freely, Okay, to float. It wouldn't. That was the

1053
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:22,000
main goal. But you know, and and but then you

1054
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,760
have branch offs here and here, and everybody sits on

1055
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,000
their information and nothing's worned. And I'm I'm really sad

1056
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:31,079
about that. I would I would, I would hope because

1057
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:34,039
I'm gonna give something away. I'm gonna give it away.

1058
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:35,640
People are gonna look at it and they're gonna go,

1059
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:42,000
what h And it's that big, It's that big, and

1060
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:47,000
it will be my legacy. It will be my legacy.

1061
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,279
And uh, I'm not think I whet involved. There's people

1062
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:55,520
coming down from Ohio, there's people coming down from Maryland,

1063
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,159
there's people coming down from Oklahoma. There's other people here

1064
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,159
in Texas. They're going to be here and we're all

1065
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:07,239
going to talk about our findings and what's happened. You know,

1066
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:09,239
this is this is me. People are going to come

1067
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:14,119
to Hondam are an anthropologists. He's coming down from Maryland.

1068
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:19,199
We have an anthropologist, a cultural anthropologist. There's that word

1069
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:22,119
that the jump on it. Culture.

1070
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't have language without culture, right.

1071
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: Well, and you can't have spoken language or verbal language,

1072
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,000
and you can't have a any other kind of language.

1073
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,880
A lot of people don't know. And like I said,

1074
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,520
I started out as firm believer it was an ape.

1075
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:49,119
And over the years I started seeing things and I saying, okay, okay,

1076
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,560
old something, they just still here. A species that's still

1077
01:10:54,560 --> 01:11:01,840
here and now much more than that, much more and no,

1078
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:08,880
not aliens, but a relic hommative man, I mean human,

1079
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:14,760
like I would say, a relict human species. Is where

1080
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:21,000
I'm going human? Yeah, because they know they that gum it.

1081
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,039
I wish people could see things through my eyes and

1082
01:11:25,159 --> 01:11:27,279
be there when I've had things happen to me that

1083
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:32,680
says these things aren't just big apes, They're more than that.

1084
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,600
And I wish people could just be stand right beside

1085
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,000
me and see everything that I've seen and then that

1086
01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:43,479
I've heard, and you know, so they would they would

1087
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,399
know gos, oh my gosh, he's right, But that's just

1088
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,319
you know that's progressive research, and that's why you do

1089
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:53,880
it to learn and to learn more and learn the truth.

1090
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,520
And you know, I have I have people they they

1091
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:03,560
asked me that you believe in mind speak, and you know,

1092
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,840
I don't answer no. I say, I don't know because

1093
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,960
I've never experienced it before. But that doesn't mean that

1094
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,000
it's not happening, you know. It's just I've never had

1095
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:19,640
it happened to me, so you know, that's that's it

1096
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,600
used to be. I would have said back in the day,

1097
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,800
I would have said, you're full of shit.

1098
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,560
Speaker 1: I've heard you say it. I have heard you say it.

1099
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, over the years. You know, I have to say

1100
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,800
I don't know. I don't know. I've never experienced, so

1101
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,600
I can't say it doesn't exist, you know, because I've

1102
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,479
seen a lot of weird stuff out in the woods,

1103
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,840
you know. I've seen wards and little lights, shootings of

1104
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,159
the trees fast zipping in and out. You know, I've

1105
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:50,399
seen that stuff before, and I know it exists. But

1106
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:52,960
it I was talking to somebody about it the other day,

1107
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,199
a matter of fact, what it was yesterday, I said,

1108
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:57,840
but if it ever happens to me, I will be

1109
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,399
the first to say, yes, it happens. I believe in it.

1110
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,119
I think it exists, it goes on. Oh but I'm

1111
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:10,640
not saying it doesn't. You know, I'm wondering. You had

1112
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,479
to see the belief. I have to see the belief

1113
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:17,800
something are experience it before I'll believe. But there's oh

1114
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,439
my gosh, I've really I've grown a lot since the

1115
01:13:22,079 --> 01:13:25,840
my younger days as far as my knowledge. You know,

1116
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,359
I always focused on food sources, and I'm still I

1117
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:34,760
could be walking somewhere, Oh that's a food source. Oh

1118
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,239
that's a food source. That's a food source. You know,

1119
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:43,079
because that's important. All that information is important, you know, everybody,

1120
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,680
most scientists will say, especially in Texas, there is not

1121
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,840
enough food available for them to eat the support such

1122
01:13:54,319 --> 01:14:00,359
a large, large species. There's not enough out there. Well,

1123
01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:05,319
I'm just already say there is. Because sasquats are omnivores.

1124
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,600
They are the key number one predator in the woods.

1125
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:13,279
And when you live in an area white Texas and

1126
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,399
other states that has the same problem, and you have

1127
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:22,359
this really huge high population of wild hogs, that is

1128
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:26,479
a huge food source for a predator. Okay, well you

1129
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,960
have Okay, why why has there been more sightings of

1130
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:34,079
sasquatch in the state of Texas. Well, why have there

1131
01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:38,720
been more sightings of mountain lions in the state of Texas.

1132
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,159
You want to know why, It's because there's more food.

1133
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,039
You have wild hogs a mountain lion. If there's not

1134
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:50,880
enough food, they will not have babies. Yeah, the same

1135
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,560
for sasaquet. Well, if you have a lot of food

1136
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,520
you have, you have more mountain lions and you have

1137
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,319
more sasquatch.

1138
01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:01,399
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about how for years we've talked

1139
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:06,800
about the the hog problem in this part of the country,

1140
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,720
and how at least in Texas and Oklahoma for sure,

1141
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,880
I know it's this way in other states as well.

1142
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:16,600
I'm just dealing with the states that I know firsthand.

1143
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:21,000
It's open season, you know, there's you can do whatever

1144
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,479
you want with hogs, hunt them all you want to,

1145
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,039
and it hasn't made a difference. The population has only

1146
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:29,319
grown and spread even further.

1147
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you know I did. I don't have

1148
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,880
it in front of me, but I did a comparison

1149
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,920
to the chloric intake of a Western Lowland gorilla and

1150
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:44,920
what it takes for them to survive in their areas,

1151
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:49,800
And I said Okay, what are they eating over there?

1152
01:15:50,119 --> 01:15:54,600
And this is most of the vegeted food sources. As

1153
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,039
a matter of fact, I think all of it is.

1154
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,840
So there's they're keeping up and staying strong and getting

1155
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,880
all their calories from vegetation.

1156
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1157
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 2: I did this. I took all the food sources that

1158
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:14,960
I know that they eat here, including wild hogs, uh, calves,

1159
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,520
and all the vegetance measured of food sources they eat,

1160
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,039
and I added all the calories. So well, the calories

1161
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,760
are way above the ones that the Western guerrillas eat.

1162
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure.

1163
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, soit like that's not a problem for them to survive.

1164
01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:39,640
It's not, you know, that's you know, it's and you know,

1165
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:44,000
all the species here there are over fourteen species of

1166
01:16:44,119 --> 01:16:48,399
wild grapes alone in the state of Texas. Fourteen species

1167
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:50,880
of wild grapes. And of course you had the plumb trees,

1168
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:57,239
multiple multiple species of plum trees. You know. That's that's

1169
01:16:57,279 --> 01:16:59,960
all the boring stuff now compared to are compared to

1170
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:00,319
what I.

1171
01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:04,239
Speaker 1: Got now, well, yeah, but the boring stuff gets you

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in the right locations though, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I had. There was so much interest.

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People were walking up and my friend Paul Ragsdale. He

1175
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had all his casts set up on a table and

1176
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people were coming out and asking questions. I didn't realize

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01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:27,359
there was still so much interest in the subject. Now

1178
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:31,920
this is at a Celtic fest, and the interest was amazed.

1179
01:17:32,079 --> 01:17:35,319
I was amazed. There's one young lady and her husband

1180
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,720
and her daughter that walked up to the table and

1181
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:47,640
she was fascinated and she said, Sasquatch in Texas. Yeah, yeah,

1182
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:52,479
you know where she was from, Oregon, so yeah, okay,

1183
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,319
and she said she couldn't believe that they were here.

1184
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And she stayed at the table for over an hour

1185
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,560
just talking about it. And then you know, the interest

1186
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is so high. People still want to learn things.

1187
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Speaker 1: Tell us about the events coming up and what's going

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to be going on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, September twenty fifth and twenty sixth of this year,

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twenty twenty six in Hawkins, Texas, there's going to be

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01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,720
an event and it is called the East Texas Campfire

1192
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,199
Stories at East Texas Bigfoot Campfire Stories, and there's going

1193
01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:34,119
to be researchers from across the state there. It's on

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a level location just outside of Hawkins, and matter of fact,

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it's going to be in the same place that the

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Celtic Festival was held, and it's the camping is free,

1197
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,760
there's no charge for the camping. And uh, there's going

1198
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,840
to be vendors there with t shirts Bigfoot all everything

1199
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Bigfoot there. But there's going to be a going to

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01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:05,079
have speakers. But this was Cassie's idea, map. This was Cassie's,

1201
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:10,760
my wife's idea. She posted on all kinds of places,

1202
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:15,239
you know, like yard sale places online on Facebook and

1203
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,520
you know, city pages on Facebook, and she wrote she said,

1204
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,640
have you seen anything strange in the woods, heard any

1205
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,720
strange sounds? And people come out of the woodwork to

1206
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,560
tell her their stories and they're Bigfoot related and other

1207
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:38,600
cryptids also. So these people, some of the people are

1208
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going to be there telling their stories around the campfire

1209
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:48,159
and researchers sharing information and talking to each other telling stories.

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And then we're going to have I'm going to do

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a pre presentation on my story from start and go

1212
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:00,439
from there on Friday, Friday evening. Yeah, this will be

1213
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,880
here at the backstage. There's there's a stage there we're

1214
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:08,279
gonna be we'll have lights and everything, and then I'm

1215
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:12,640
gonna do the presentation of the big reveal on Saturday,

1216
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the twenty sixth. Ah, and it's gonna be a great time.

1217
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,399
There's gonna be so many people there. Uh, Paul, Paul

1218
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,439
and Cassie have really spread the word, and I said, well,

1219
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,079
I'm gonna go ahead and spread the word a little

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more tonight on fix up Crossroads. What a better place,

1221
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:32,239
no better place to do it right right now. But

1222
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:34,319
we're gonna have people come down to them Oklahoma and

1223
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:37,760
everywhere they're gonna they're gonna show up, and I hope

1224
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,319
everybody comes. I mean there's camp sites, new cut trails

1225
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:45,000
through there all with areas to set your tents up,

1226
01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:47,239
and uh, we're going to be on the back side

1227
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,359
of the property becus the front side of the property.

1228
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,720
It's going to be a haunted, haunted terror trail. So

1229
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,720
what I mean right before at the beginning of October. Shoot, yeah,

1230
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So we're gonna have two events that we can haunted

1231
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,640
trails will and then we're going to have our our

1232
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,640
tamp fire stories in the back. But and then there's

1233
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:17,760
some more big news coming up. It's not a revealed

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01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,079
that there's some more big news coming up on another

1235
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,960
event that will be taking place. Oh in March. But

1236
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that's all I can say about that one.

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Speaker 1: Sounds awesome, man, it should be a great event. You know,

1238
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I really appreciate you coming on here and talking. I

1239
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:40,079
want you to come back. There's so much more stuff

1240
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to cover, so many more stories.

1241
01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:46,520
Speaker 2: So so much, Matt. I appreciate you asked me to

1242
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,000
come come on this show. I know we've we've missed

1243
01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:53,079
each other, you know, ye back and forth. You know,

1244
01:21:53,119 --> 01:22:22,840
we finally managed to connect