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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Cult Rejects this episode. You already know
Speaker 4: we got Miguel Connor with us tonight with a cult Elvis.
Speaker 4: But before we introduce him, I'm going to introduce the
Speaker 4: rest of the crew and the rejects with us tonight.
Speaker 4: I got myself obviously, and I got Heidi love with me, Heidi.
Speaker 4: Let everybody know what you deal is and where they
Speaker 4: can find your amazing work.
Speaker 5: Awesome. I'm Heidi, love of the Unfiltered Rice. You can
Speaker 5: find me everywhere podcasts are served and love to see either.
Speaker 5: I also have my own website, Unfiltered Rise podcast dot com.
Speaker 4: Awesome younks will be in the bottom and Jin then Ninja,
Speaker 4: what is up my man? Thank you very much for
Speaker 4: joining us. Please let everybody know where your deal is.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll say, first of all, thanks boss for having
Speaker 6: me on. Of course, I love doing these panel shows.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Heidi, Julia, Ethan, Robbie of course, and Miguel obviously.
Speaker 7: Like a lot of young I'm not that young, but
Speaker 7: maybe like a little younger than Eunich, so I'll say
Speaker 7: I'm a little I'm young, and like a lot of
Speaker 7: young magicians will say, I've listened to Miguel's show for
Speaker 7: a long time, so I'm.
Speaker 6: Quite excited and yeah, I think it'll be really great.
Speaker 7: So if people want to follow me, they can follow
Speaker 7: me on Twitter x Wucar Reborn, wuk O and g
Speaker 7: Reborn or the show A Threshold Saints at Spotify and Applele.
Speaker 4: Well, so you know that that is something I do
Speaker 4: want to mention too. I don't know if I mentioned
Speaker 4: it last time when I had you on Miguel, but
Speaker 4: just like just like Room Soup, I used to listen
Speaker 4: to Miguil back in the day too when I when
Speaker 4: I was just practice. So it's actually kind of was
Speaker 4: like kind of unreal to be like, Wow, this guy's
Speaker 4: on my show and I used to listen to his
Speaker 4: stuff when I was studying the acult Like it's it's
Speaker 4: pretty mind blowing, So yeah, I get it. Cosmic Peach, Julia,
Speaker 4: please let us know what is going on.
Speaker 8: Well, if you haven't found me yet, you never will.
Speaker 8: But I'm happy to be in a cult reject so
Speaker 8: you can find me here every now and again. Yes,
Speaker 8: I have Cosmic Peach podcast and yeah that's pretty much it. Oh,
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, I do have an Instagram cosmic
Speaker 8: dot Peach dot podcast. If people want to work with me,
Speaker 8: the best way to do it is to go to
Speaker 8: Instagram and email me from my link tree because I
Speaker 8: never checked that inbox, so that's the way to do it.
Speaker 8: But thanks for having me, Nick, This is going to
Speaker 8: be a good one.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, of course know whaten thank you for joining us.
Speaker 4: Ethan Indigo, my man, what is up? Let everybody know
Speaker 4: what you deal is?
Speaker 2: Peace on earth.
Speaker 3: Honored to be here with everyone, always excited to learn
Speaker 3: communicate with you guys. I'm a big fan of everyone, honestly,
Speaker 3: and I'm excited to hear Miguel's presentation. Recently put out
Speaker 3: an article on accult research to.
Speaker 2: Where the occult.
Speaker 3: Rejects have a bunch of writing of course, and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a ne'er do well writer, so it's and I
Speaker 3: think a link to my writing is below.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks so much, Nick, and everyone.
Speaker 4: Of course, and Robbie Marx the o g himself. Let
Speaker 4: everybody know what's up with you?
Speaker 9: So yeah, so now my state everybody here, and I
Speaker 9: just want to say, Miguel, you know I've been excited
Speaker 9: about this Occult Elvis project since you started talking about
Speaker 9: doing it. But I am r Marx or Robbie Marx.
Speaker 9: You can check out my artwork, my podcast, all my
Speaker 9: miscellaneous things that I have at my link tree at
Speaker 9: link tree.
Speaker 4: R M A r X.
Speaker 9: That'll get you everything.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, welesome, thank you very much. And last but
Speaker 4: not least, my favorite garbage can dude, JJ Vance, not
Speaker 4: the vice president. What is up, sir? How are you?
Speaker 4: And I think you are you today?
Speaker 10: There were your technical difficulties it creating, sir. I appreciate
Speaker 10: the appreciate the invite. Miguel, nice to nice to be.
Speaker 10: Just started looking forward to hearing about some ofccold Elvis.
Speaker 10: Big fan of A big fan of the King myself,
Speaker 10: and nice to see all the fellow of cult Rejects
Speaker 10: here this evening. JJ Vance not the vice president, host
Speaker 10: of Operations GCD, and resident garbage can do true crime.
Speaker 2: I'm here at the Occult Rejects. That's for nothing except
Speaker 2: for being an expert nothing. That's what I'm an expert.
Speaker 4: In pretty much save here I think I can say
Speaker 4: the same thing. All right, So finally we got through
Speaker 4: all that about five minutes later. Now we're going to
Speaker 4: get to the guest, Miguel A on Bite. I'm sure
Speaker 4: most people know who you are already. I mean, you're
Speaker 4: a staple in the occult community at this point, I
Speaker 4: mean you have been for a while. Just let everybody
Speaker 4: know who me and I know who you are, what
Speaker 4: your deal is, and what you're all about.
Speaker 2: Sir oh Man, thanks for having me on. But God,
Speaker 2: all this talk, I feel like I feel like you're
Speaker 2: wheeling in some old dinosaur. I'm like the Fat Elvis podcast,
Speaker 2: you know, I for one last show. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: a Vegas suit exactly exactly. But yeah, just Miguel Connor,
Speaker 2: a host of a young Bite off the Cult Elvis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: love what you guys do. When I was writing the book,
Speaker 2: I'd often go into the uh into your podcast the
Speaker 2: Occult Rejects, because it's nice. It's sometimes it's relaxing to
Speaker 2: see people shoot the ship organically, you know, it's only
Speaker 2: it's kind of rare actually, so it was fun. And
Speaker 2: sometimes I'd be like, we're working on the book, or
Speaker 2: I wonder if Nick's been banned from YouTube again. That
Speaker 2: was always happened so many times. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the fourth Yeah exactly. It's like, will you
Speaker 2: make it? This time? Will be this, this will be
Speaker 2: the one?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know it gets bad. The only strikes
Speaker 4: I get anymore from William Ramsey on my show. It's
Speaker 4: so weird. It's like the funniest thing. Yeah, it's get
Speaker 4: st Julia.
Speaker 8: Gonna say me for sure. And William, who I just
Speaker 8: talked to today. We did something on the Catcher in
Speaker 8: the Rye and we're not even gonna try to put
Speaker 8: that one on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, nice, all right, So, Miguel cult Elvis, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm assuming you're probably a huge fan of them and
Speaker 4: that's why you got into them, But like, what made
Speaker 4: you pick or maybe you weren't a fan of them?
Speaker 4: No really, okay, so what made you? What made you
Speaker 4: decide to even get into covering a cult Elvis?
Speaker 2: Then? Oh well, Elvis had other plans. I suppose I
Speaker 2: never was an Elvis fan. I was always a Beatles person.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I don't know if you young whippers
Speaker 2: snappers have ever watched the original theater release of pulp fiction.
Speaker 2: You can't find it, and you have to. It's the
Speaker 2: original or release. Tarantino took it out.
Speaker 6: You men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the Mia Wallace Uma Thurman, you know, daughter
Speaker 2: of the great Buddhist scholar. She's filming John Travolta, Vincent
Speaker 2: Vega and the Cameron. She goes, there are only two
Speaker 2: type of people in this world, Elvis fans and Beatles fans.
Speaker 2: They can like each other, but they're very different. Who
Speaker 2: you are says everything about you. Then later in this
Speaker 2: one you can't find after they go on the date,
Speaker 2: she goes, I think you're a I think I know
Speaker 2: if you're an Elvis or a Beatles fan. But it
Speaker 2: makes more context without that scene that Tarantino delete it.
Speaker 2: So I was always a Beatles fan forever. Now I'm
Speaker 2: an Elvis fan, and I explained in the book what
Speaker 2: it is to be an Elvis fan. But I never
Speaker 2: thought much of Elvis. I thought he was like the
Speaker 2: you know, the music version of Mountain Dew or McDonald's
Speaker 2: whatever and something like. And as I got older, I
Speaker 2: started appreciating him, you know, his impact and everything. And
Speaker 2: I did read a book about him, like ten years ago,
Speaker 2: a biography that mentioned some of his you know, esoteric practices.
Speaker 2: But that was at a time when I was studying
Speaker 2: the Colt and I was like, oh man, these all
Speaker 2: these rock stars and artists are into weird stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: Bowie was into cabbala and Paige into the Lima, and
Speaker 2: the Beatles into him. It's just what they do on
Speaker 2: the side to help them with their music. Didn't think
Speaker 2: about it. Was still a Beatles fan. And then summer
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two I ran into all these you
Speaker 2: might say, roadblocks that changed my mind, or these directions
Speaker 2: having to do with two ayahuasca rituals, visions, synchronicities. Everything
Speaker 2: My world was just turned upside down and threw that.
Speaker 2: Suddenly this voice started saying, you know, Elvis, Elvis, there's
Speaker 2: something I have to say, and I became completely obsessed
Speaker 2: with the King. I could only listen to his music
Speaker 2: in the car. I had to watch you know, his movies, documentaries,
Speaker 2: and just couldn't stop thinking about it. And finally I
Speaker 2: just surrendered. I just said, you know, I believe that
Speaker 2: all of us have a mission, and the mission is
Speaker 2: very simple. Either you either listen to God or your
Speaker 2: soul or your destiny. Or you're going to be in
Speaker 2: a lot of pain. And I'm old enough to when
Speaker 2: these things happen, I just lean into it and I
Speaker 2: don't ask questions because I'm tired of the pain. So
Speaker 2: on a February twenty twenty three, I just sat down
Speaker 2: with that one biography and I just started writing. And
Speaker 2: in three months, the whole book came out of me.
Speaker 2: As I like to say, it's like my tagline. I
Speaker 2: became quantum Entangled with Elvis, we became almost one and
Speaker 2: you know, and there's many reasons why this book had
Speaker 2: to happen. We can talk about him, but it was
Speaker 2: just something he wanted me to do. It's like doing
Speaker 2: a favor for a friend. Sometimes the friends ask you
Speaker 2: for a favor. Maybe it's to move the couch, maybe
Speaker 2: it's to do and you just go, all right, I'll
Speaker 2: just do it. I'll just do it. And I did it,
Speaker 2: and I'm very happy I did it for.
Speaker 4: Him as part of the favor of being like, maybe
Speaker 4: stuff was not noticed that he was trying to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't notice because this stuff is hidden in
Speaker 2: plain sight. You know. As you guys know, Elvis was
Speaker 2: like the he was like the conspiracy world. Before conspiracy
Speaker 2: he was on the tabloids and the documentaries and the
Speaker 2: bad blog posts and all that. You know, Elvis landed
Speaker 2: from a spaceship, and Elvis did that. Everything I got
Speaker 2: I got from biographies that are, you know, very well
Speaker 2: lauded biographies. They came from friends, family, Priscilla. The things
Speaker 2: that he saw, his supernatural visions and magic abilities, and
Speaker 2: what he practiced and what he read. It was always
Speaker 2: with a lot of witnesses around him. There were people
Speaker 2: around him, and you can't trust him. And even his
Speaker 2: UFO encounters I detail three or four in the book,
Speaker 2: he was never alone with them. It's not like he went,
Speaker 2: you know, I had a UFO counter. There were people there.
Speaker 2: They happened in Graceland and in his bel Air mansion
Speaker 2: and somewhere in the desert. So everything I got, I
Speaker 2: just pruned from all these biography and newspaper articles, and
Speaker 2: everything had or ninety nine ninety five percent had eyewitnesses
Speaker 2: to it. So and it was all there, and it
Speaker 2: was up to me to bring it all together in
Speaker 2: one book and also try to explain why Elvis, why
Speaker 2: he's probably the most remarkable person in the twentieth century.
Speaker 2: And that's something that you know, Quentin Terr, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, David Lynch said, that's something that Leonard Bernstein said.
Speaker 2: So many people says that the greatest icon in the
Speaker 2: twentieth century is Elvis. He is America. He represents America
Speaker 2: everything good and bad. And in my argument is that
Speaker 2: you know, we are losing our identity. This country's fragmenting.
Speaker 2: If we want to know what it is to be
Speaker 2: an American, the spirit of Elvis is what's going to
Speaker 2: get us through the other side. So I put all
Speaker 2: these ideas of Elvis on a high level, through a
Speaker 2: union lens, a Steiner lens, an alchemy lens, a psychological lens,
Speaker 2: even a UFO lens, just so we can understand who
Speaker 2: this figure is and maybe understand why he rose so
Speaker 2: fast and also crashed so hard at the end. Why
Speaker 2: did Elvis leave the building so early? And it's always
Speaker 2: going to be a mystery, but I try to give
Speaker 2: ideas so that the reader can make up their.
Speaker 8: Mind, so you do believe that he is, you know,
Speaker 8: rip then, because you know there's always, yeah, there's theories
Speaker 8: that he didn't really die when he died, and you know, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do focus a chapter on it.
Speaker 2: And there's so many and they're great, great conspiracies, great
Speaker 2: rabbit holes to have fun with. But I do think
Speaker 2: at the end his body did leave. I do show
Speaker 2: that he knew he was going to die. He predicted it,
Speaker 2: he told friends he and his death is almost a
Speaker 2: ritual when you look at it, even you know, on
Speaker 2: the throne. I mean, it's all symbolical. And he predicted
Speaker 2: that day I was going to leave. But his material
Speaker 2: body did leave. And people always like, well, he could
Speaker 2: have been a did he go under ground on the
Speaker 2: witness protection did a mob and he moved to Argentine.
Speaker 2: But then Elvis fans say, look, Number one, Elvis had
Speaker 2: more power than the president, and he was mob connected.
Speaker 2: He was connected with the DA he wrote, he said,
Speaker 2: what was going to happen? That's just the way he was.
Speaker 2: Number Two, if there were two people that are important
Speaker 2: in his life at the time, was Lisa Marie and
Speaker 2: his father Vernon, he would never have abandoned. He would
Speaker 2: have taken them with them. If you know, I'm going
Speaker 2: to move to Argentina or you know, or become a
Speaker 2: pastor in Arkansas, Elvis would have not left his family.
Speaker 2: It's just not something he did. I think that's the
Speaker 2: best argument.
Speaker 8: What do you think about his relationship with Priscilla, because
Speaker 8: there's so much stuff people say about how young she
Speaker 8: was and like when they met, and like after she
Speaker 8: moved to Graceland and it's like weirdness and stuff, like
Speaker 8: what are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's many thoughts about that. Again, many
Speaker 2: theories of why this happened. I lean a lot simply
Speaker 2: on her bio, Elvis and me, and you can watch
Speaker 2: it in the Sophia Coppola movie Priscilla, and it's okay,
Speaker 2: it gives you a picture. But my theory, or the
Speaker 2: way I approach it, is that Elvis was a It's
Speaker 2: hard to say there was an Oedipus thing with Elvis
Speaker 2: because he lost his twin when he was born, and
Speaker 2: Gladys could not conceive, and there was so poverty. Gladys
Speaker 2: became very possessive, and unfortunately it's we call it helicopter parenting,
Speaker 2: but you could call it it's called lethal and mesh
Speaker 2: or enmeshment where the mother won't let the child grow,
Speaker 2: so the child is their egos never develop and they
Speaker 2: become this extreme of proxy husband plus little plateful, naughty child,
Speaker 2: and she basically destroyed a psyche. I mean from the
Speaker 2: get go, and it's a lot of damage. It's serious stuff.
Speaker 2: We made joke about it. So he when she died
Speaker 2: at only forty six, and he was in his early twenties,
Speaker 2: right before he was going into the army, he was
Speaker 2: completely crushed. That archetype of the mother was just taken away.
Speaker 2: And he felt guilty because he always said, I don't
Speaker 2: care about the money. I want to make my mom happy.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm a millionaire. But she hated the thing
Speaker 2: with a passion because her proxy husband was out there
Speaker 2: with other women touring and she started drinking, taking pills.
Speaker 2: So he felt guilty that I gave my mom the
Speaker 2: fame and she died because of it. And even his
Speaker 2: father once blamed he that you killed you killed your
Speaker 2: own mother. He never recovered there was kind of a
Speaker 2: deal with the devil, right, you want fame, I got
Speaker 2: to take something from you. But it was so crushing
Speaker 2: that he became obsessed with the idea of the mother
Speaker 2: and anybody who looked like his mother. He lost it,
Speaker 2: like why did he get into theosophy because he saw
Speaker 2: a photo of Madame Blovotski was like mommy. And when
Speaker 2: he saw Priscilla, he saw that something about her reminded
Speaker 2: him of his mother, and he couldn't let go. He
Speaker 2: had he could have had any woman of any stature
Speaker 2: in the world at any time, but he had to
Speaker 2: have Priscilla any you know, and he had her. And
Speaker 2: as Priscilla writes, they did not consummate the marriage until
Speaker 2: they were They did not consummate the relationship either until
Speaker 2: they got married or right before there. I think she
Speaker 2: slips a few times that maybe right before and she
Speaker 2: and everybody said she was the one who wanted it.
Speaker 2: Elvis was like in his spiritual kick and was like, no,
Speaker 2: we must wait and this and that. But it was Priscilla.
Speaker 5: So she had hot draws, some dance. She saw his
Speaker 5: pelvis moving, she was gonna.
Speaker 8: Jump all that come on.
Speaker 2: But she was in her early twenties, That's all I mean.
Speaker 2: She was in her early twenties. Whenever they decided it
Speaker 2: was time or whenever it happened.
Speaker 8: So so was she into like all this stuff with him?
Speaker 8: Was she was she doing like magical stuff you think?
Speaker 2: Or no, she scientology right later. Yeah, she did joint
Speaker 2: sciential Elvis hated.
Speaker 4: I was going to bring that up. I had had
Speaker 4: that written down. Yeah, I noticed she mentioned that.
Speaker 2: Right, What was the reason for that? Daughter loved it, right,
Speaker 2: mm hmm. Wife and scientis both of them, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he hated them. They say he avoided it like
Speaker 2: the cobra was a godless religion. He loved. He was
Speaker 2: very accepting of all religions because he believed, if you're
Speaker 2: looking for God, I respect you, except for Scientology. Sure.
Speaker 10: I've always wondered how Scientology took back, you know what
Speaker 10: I mean, because they don't like they don't like when
Speaker 10: when families bad mouth of their family members about being
Speaker 10: in scientology.
Speaker 2: That's a big that's a big no note for old Zeno. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But once he once he was gone, that's when Priscilla
Speaker 2: and Lisa Marie got into really need deep So oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I hate it. I thought she was, and I thought
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 10: I thought there was like more of the nineteen sixties
Speaker 10: movement type of situation for for Priscilla.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was in the seventies. In the sixties
Speaker 2: she was with Elvis and uh, she hated his occultism
Speaker 2: and mystic oh really, because he started becoming so detached
Speaker 2: to the material world and so spiritual that a she wasn't,
Speaker 2: you know, no more attention she was. He wasn't giving
Speaker 2: her the atten as a woman that she wanted. And
Speaker 2: he almost twice, he almost quit the music industry to
Speaker 2: be a monk, a Christian monk and a Hindu monk,
Speaker 2: and it was all just too heavy for it. For example,
Speaker 2: Elvis loved Manly P. Hall and wanted to go to
Speaker 2: his lectures, but Elvis could not go to anywhere because
Speaker 2: Katus would ensue, right, he had to stay atone. So
Speaker 2: he would send Priscilla to go listen to Manly P. Hall,
Speaker 2: write notes and bring him to him, and he was
Speaker 2: very happy, but she hated. She hated his spirituality. So
Speaker 2: did Parker, Colonel Parker the Memphis Mafia, because he was
Speaker 2: really out of control. I mean, he was like meditation
Speaker 2: circles with groupies and reading at night and meditating and
Speaker 2: practicing this magic. And he just drove everybody crazy because
Speaker 2: he hated his fame. He was done with it. He
Speaker 2: just it meant nothing to him and so drove him crazy.
Speaker 2: But eventually there was this concerted campaign to put wedges
Speaker 2: between him and his spiritual teachers and this, and eventually
Speaker 2: they won. They didn't win. What happened is he went
Speaker 2: underground secretly, like he'd keep his books in Vegas and
Speaker 2: all that. And I always I say, how he turned
Speaker 2: into Vegas Elvis is very occult, you know, the whole
Speaker 2: Egyptian ah that. I think he transferred that energy into
Speaker 2: his Vegas act. But he was still till the day
Speaker 2: he died, he was really into the Western esoteric tradition,
Speaker 2: Eastern traditions and anything.
Speaker 8: Are you familiar with Tuesday Weld at all?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 8: No, JJ, Do you know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: One of my favorite characters in life.
Speaker 5: Huge.
Speaker 8: She's like a witch, right, She's like a.
Speaker 2: According to.
Speaker 8: Understand well, Anton Levey had some kind of dedication to
Speaker 8: her in his say, Tannic Bible. It was like Marilyn Monroe,
Speaker 8: Tuesday Well, Jane Mansfield, but Tuesday.
Speaker 10: Well then Eborate like this, they were like I knew
Speaker 10: they knew each other as they acted together.
Speaker 2: I didn't, Yeah, I didn't know how. I was curious
Speaker 2: to know how the relationship went.
Speaker 8: Yeah. There's even pictures of them where he's given her
Speaker 8: a big smooch ye together. Yeah, I think that there
Speaker 8: could have been a romance there, but it just like
Speaker 8: with the kind of like the topic of the episode.
Speaker 8: If she was into all that and they were best
Speaker 8: these I can only imagine what Elvis may have learned
Speaker 8: from her.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
Speaker 10: And Leavey elaborates on his dedication to Tuesday Weld in
Speaker 10: a nineteen seventy two book called Modern Witchcraft.
Speaker 2: So especially involved in the rituals.
Speaker 8: She's really interesting. But I wondered if you had come
Speaker 8: across her with Elvis, because I know that they hung
Speaker 8: out and they were friends or whatever, But do you think,
Speaker 8: like even him, like how he was discovered and everything
Speaker 8: is kind of ritualistic because I've seen the studio in
Speaker 8: Memphis where he recorded some of his first stuff, and
Speaker 8: it's like triangles on the ceilings. Yeah, it's it's really
Speaker 8: in your face.
Speaker 4: You there go, I've been.
Speaker 9: Record so midel I was gonna say, I'd always known
Speaker 9: Elvis was in the theosophy, and it was kind of
Speaker 9: just a loose fact in the wind. And I came
Speaker 9: across I collect the vinyl and I came across one
Speaker 9: of his country records that has twelve songs and in
Speaker 9: between each song is a s and advertise it on
Speaker 9: the record a secret thirteenth song. And I thought that
Speaker 9: was kind of interesting in regard to the whole ideas
Speaker 9: of esoteric philosophy. But like, did he actively kind of
Speaker 9: push those ideas through his merchandising and his other you know,
Speaker 9: things that he was putting out.
Speaker 2: I would say yes or no. Again, his Vegas manifestation
Speaker 2: is very magical. There are reports he would stop doing
Speaker 2: concerts and do like Tibetan prayers here and there. There
Speaker 2: were times when he'd go into an altered state of mind.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was on drugs, but yeah, I mean he
Speaker 2: wore one thing. He wore an ankh even the day
Speaker 2: he died, and all that. I mean starting out with
Speaker 2: the scene from two thousand and Space one and all that.
Speaker 2: It was a big steministic ritual and people there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of footage, but people who went there said
Speaker 2: they were really transformed. And again, he never hit it,
Speaker 2: but he didn't advertise it. He was always passing out books,
Speaker 2: always wanted to talk to musicians and people about different
Speaker 2: spiritualities and so forth. I say that he really was
Speaker 2: part of seeding the sixties and seven, and he's a
Speaker 2: cult and hippie movement because he was always there handing
Speaker 2: out books, doing circles, lesson circles, teachings in Hollywood and Memphis,
Speaker 2: and just spreading this stuff and making it cool, even
Speaker 2: martial arts. When Elvis got his black belt in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight, he was only one of one hundred people
Speaker 2: in the United States with a black belt in the
Speaker 2: country's one hundred and seventy million. That's esoteric. And through
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies he got more black belts and
Speaker 2: people started, oh, this is really cool. I mean, he
Speaker 2: made karate and these things kind of cool. So he
Speaker 2: was very important. And we have to understand the United
Speaker 2: States was very like a wasteland. It wasn't like Western Europe.
Speaker 2: When it came to the occult. There was really nothing
Speaker 2: you had, you know, the West Coast, the East Coat,
Speaker 2: Theosophical Society in Wheaton, there was nothing you had Elvis
Speaker 2: and the beat writers. You know, for all those guys
Speaker 2: Kraak we're talking about Eastern Nobody was talking about Buddhism
Speaker 2: or Taoism and all that, and Elvis was one of those.
Speaker 2: In fact, he used to go to the yoga nanda
Speaker 2: a Shrum because he started working under Yogananda's successor, Diyamata.
Speaker 2: He'd go there to meditate. He did that like years
Speaker 2: before George Harrison started doing it, So he was way
Speaker 2: ahead of the curb. And I think he's one of
Speaker 2: the reasons it became acceptable. And like I said, he
Speaker 2: was seating this stuff. But again, it was not something
Speaker 2: he wore in his sleeve. It was just he had
Speaker 2: passionate about it, you know, like, yeah, you have passionate
Speaker 2: about the giants. You meet somebody, Hey, what about the
Speaker 2: giants or you know you just yeah.
Speaker 8: I was going to say, even like a secret life though.
Speaker 8: It was like he had all this going on on
Speaker 8: the side, but nobody knew about it. Like in the public,
Speaker 8: they wouldn't go, oh, Elvis, that guy that's really into Buddhism.
Speaker 8: You know, it's almost he had like a secret life.
Speaker 2: It does. It's almost like it's almost like an image
Speaker 2: because even though he would wear this Aztek or Egyptian
Speaker 2: outfits and do that, people still had this image of
Speaker 2: Elvis as a southern conservative boy. But everybody in his
Speaker 2: inner circle and friends in Hollywood, they knew it, and
Speaker 2: it was just part of it. Elvis did what Elvis
Speaker 2: wanted to do, and it was really as simple as that.
Speaker 2: And for some reason, I think a lot of it
Speaker 2: is there was a time when people just thought, oh,
Speaker 2: these Hollywood people are rocks, that they're eccentric, you know,
Speaker 2: the Beatles and Hinduism, Ronald Reagan and astrology and man, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just what they do, and we kind of shelve it,
Speaker 2: we put it away, and then you realize, no, these
Speaker 2: things really shape their personalities, their world views, their art.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was essential to who they are as beings.
Speaker 2: And I think we're ready now to see it. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's been a book out on you know, your Colchi Morrison,
Speaker 2: Sylvia Plath, and we're realizing this is essential and important
Speaker 2: and history changing and personality changing, and I think we're
Speaker 2: ready as a culture to really really see it. Instead
Speaker 2: of kind of turning her eye to one side or something.
Speaker 8: Did he write his own stuff?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Do you what do you feel about the catastrophic things
Speaker 1: that have happened on his bloodline?
Speaker 5: Like you have implications there anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Hell yeah, yeah, I deal with that too. I
Speaker 2: Mean Priscilla once said, well, you think Elvis would have survived.
Speaker 2: I would have been And Priscilla's like, no, there were
Speaker 2: demons in his family, and she said the lineage is cursed.
Speaker 2: And I show that through his mother, Gladys. Gladys maybe
Speaker 2: you know, she abused him and I can't blame him,
Speaker 2: and she lost her twin she was then they went
Speaker 2: to the hospital. She said she couldn't conceive, so of
Speaker 2: course she's just going to grab onto Elvis with everything
Speaker 2: she had. But she was known to have visions. She
Speaker 2: would see demons at night, she had premonitions. Her and
Speaker 2: her husband could heal at a touch, which Elvis adopted.
Speaker 2: Elvis talks about how her and her mother in Mississippi
Speaker 2: good astral travel, but they both kept it hush because
Speaker 2: they were worried about the church. So he got to
Speaker 2: this lineage. And of course the gifts also are the curses.
Speaker 2: There's a darkness to these powers and got it from Gladys.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because of their native blood
Speaker 2: or their Jewish but I don't know. Some lineage of
Speaker 2: magicians went through Gladys, through Elvis and eventually to Lisa Marie.
Speaker 2: From what I hear, and I'm just doing the research
Speaker 2: Lisa Marie had UFO encounters, so there was something, some
Speaker 2: sort of curse.
Speaker 1: Or because they gloss over her poor son, you know,
Speaker 1: there was some I mean all of that. It's just
Speaker 1: every out of them. It's like a jay all over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I'm just.
Speaker 2: Getting started on that and gone down too deep that rabbit.
Speaker 7: All well, I just want to jump in and say
Speaker 7: one thing quickly, since we have Heidi and JJ on
Speaker 7: is that also Nick and I did a series and
Speaker 7: Nick Lison I did a series on Nick Barrett or
Speaker 7: Sid Brett.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, from.
Speaker 2: The band.
Speaker 6: I can't even think right now, that's right.
Speaker 7: And so he was involved with Sikhism and at like
Speaker 7: I'm a Buddhist, So for me, I that's not a
Speaker 7: particular branch of dharma that I'm that familiar with, but
Speaker 7: I looking into it, it does seem to have a
Speaker 7: lot of branches into these kind of celebrity ocult networks.
Speaker 7: Seems to be like Sikhism, which is interesting maybe side point.
Speaker 7: But also they were married on May first, nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 7: I think nineteen sixty seven. JJ might find that interesting date.
Speaker 7: And then also for Heidi, they were married at the
Speaker 7: Aladdin hotel. Well, you know, we discussed another magician, Howard Hughes,
Speaker 7: who you know, everybody's favorite magic city.
Speaker 6: Vegas.
Speaker 4: On May Day. Something I did want to ask you,
Speaker 4: uh Miil was was he almost kind of like a
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorist in a sense too, because I think I
Speaker 4: had heard.
Speaker 2: It was red pill before red pill was cool, so
Speaker 2: he was again he he was, Yeah, he would have
Speaker 2: been having fun with us right now. He would be
Speaker 2: fun Twitter. He'd be going crazy on Twitter and all that,
Speaker 2: because yeah, he he certainly had a conspiracy sensibility. He
Speaker 2: never Right after JFK was killed, he was on the
Speaker 2: radio saying, there's no way it's a lone gun man.
Speaker 2: Same with Robert F. Kennedy. He was sure that there
Speaker 2: was foul play. He thought the Vatican was holding secrets
Speaker 2: and he was really mad.
Speaker 8: It's like, we're why you just know this side of him,
Speaker 8: Like I always imagined him as like kind of a
Speaker 8: dope like that went to go visit Forrest Gump one
Speaker 8: time and like learned how to do the moonwalk thing.
Speaker 8: I mean, but there's just like this image of Elvis.
Speaker 8: It's like, oh yeah, kind of like the very first
Speaker 8: Beatle stuff, like bubble gum kind of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's Elvis, you know whatever, I've watched what is that
Speaker 8: movie with the it's the story of Johnny Cash, but
Speaker 8: he's in it. Walk the line, Yeah, I walked the line.
Speaker 8: And because Johnny Cash always said, oh, Elvis got me
Speaker 8: on pills. Elvis, this Elvis that. So like, do you
Speaker 8: think he's a good guy? Do you think he's just
Speaker 8: somewhere floating in the middle, like.
Speaker 2: Who is he? Yeah? Well he was an occultist, he
Speaker 2: was a mystic. He had magic powers, as they show
Speaker 2: in the book. He was a visionary and a very
Speaker 2: smart guy. Even the big bio Peter Pull in a
Speaker 2: I forget it's called the Last Train to Memphis, talks
Speaker 2: about how he was a brilliant thinker. He would write,
Speaker 2: he would annotate books. You can go to Graceland and
Speaker 2: you see it. He wanted to know things. When he
Speaker 2: would whether he was going to Vegas or movies, he
Speaker 2: always had a higher group of workers carrying two hundred
Speaker 2: books because he would just he would just read them,
Speaker 2: read them. He was he really was almost a scholar mind,
Speaker 2: a brilliant person and a brilliant thinker. Again, he had
Speaker 2: terrible demons, you know, as Heidi's saying. So he always
Speaker 2: had that struggle, but really a unique individual.
Speaker 1: He really was the king, right, true cult is they're
Speaker 1: never all darker all light. It's usually the dark in
Speaker 1: the light.
Speaker 2: So that's what I met by Gordon, which he had recently,
Speaker 2: and it always sticks with thee. It properly used magic
Speaker 2: will destroy your line. And I've always I think that's right.
Speaker 10: Looks like a good cultist. Elvis also is a spook, right.
Speaker 10: He was an undercover federal officer.
Speaker 2: He tried, He tried, He really did try, but he
Speaker 2: had an obsession with badges. He had an obsession with authority.
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of it is because he
Speaker 2: grew up so poor daddy went to jail, no justice
Speaker 2: all that. Later on he wanted he I mean he
Speaker 2: he never wanted to be poor. He never wanted his
Speaker 2: family to suffer. So he had this thing and I
Speaker 2: think he did it also to piss off his dad
Speaker 2: about Badger's authorities. He would go on drug rates dressed
Speaker 2: like you know, with a ski mask. He would. He
Speaker 2: met Nixon and got a DA badge. I think it
Speaker 2: was honorary. So yeah, he was obsessed with bad but
Speaker 2: I don't think he really like officially worked. But there's
Speaker 2: a dark side to it. I think also he liked power.
Speaker 2: I mean he was the kind of guy that always had,
Speaker 2: you know, not only four black belts, but he was
Speaker 2: always armed to the teas and there was one time
Speaker 2: he went commercial. Yeah, he got mad with his dad
Speaker 2: in Priscilla, they're arguing about money because he's spending money
Speaker 2: like Crazy's like a few He leaves Graceland, goes to
Speaker 2: the airport, shows up at the airport, goes to the
Speaker 2: lady and the lady's like freaking out behind the counters,
Speaker 2: like I need a ticket to LA Can you just
Speaker 2: bill me? Yes, mister Presley. He goes in security, grabs
Speaker 2: them and they're like, Elvis, he got all these guns.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, can I take them on the plane
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, if you give us an autograph
Speaker 2: and keep your mouth shut. And he went on the
Speaker 2: plane with all these guns. So he liked the power
Speaker 2: and the badge, and I think there is Priscilla always
Speaker 2: said the reason he wanted a DA badge was because
Speaker 2: he never toured any other country. He never left the
Speaker 2: United States. True. Imagine the money the guy made four
Speaker 2: billion dollars in his career in the money he could
Speaker 2: have made in Japan and London all that because he
Speaker 2: didn't he wouldn't go anywhere without his guns and his pills.
Speaker 2: With a DA badge, you can take guns and drugs
Speaker 2: in and out of the United States. So right, maybe.
Speaker 10: I don't know how much involvement he had in the case,
Speaker 10: but he had an undercover FBI agent for a number
Speaker 10: of years there in the mid to late seventies and
Speaker 10: something that's called Operation Fountain Pen It happened to be
Speaker 10: the most one of the most intrigral cases in FBI
Speaker 10: history because it's.
Speaker 2: Fun into things like abscam abscams.
Speaker 10: I don't know how much Elvis undercover had involved with that,
Speaker 10: but he at least had undercover guys on his team,
Speaker 10: you know, for for that operation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It really had to do more
Speaker 2: with his dad, Vernon, because his dad was in charge
Speaker 2: of the planes and the money. Again, Elvis didn't have
Speaker 2: a wallet, no concept of money. It just wasn't you know.
Speaker 2: He said, buy me a plane, buy me a fleet
Speaker 2: of rolls Royces. So it would have to do with
Speaker 2: Vernon more than Elvi. It's not something.
Speaker 10: Sure they would have been in the know of something
Speaker 10: they're going on there, because that case, uh, that case
Speaker 10: dominoed into a series of other cases over the next
Speaker 10: almost decade exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bit, it was a big thing,
Speaker 2: for sure. But I don't think Elvis was directly involved.
Speaker 2: I mean he was connected again, he was connected to
Speaker 2: the authorities, and he was connected to the mind. But
Speaker 2: to Elvis, these are these were his citizens, his underlings
Speaker 2: as far as he concerned. Yeah, this is the guy
Speaker 2: that could go to the White House unannounced and get
Speaker 2: a meeting with Nixon. That's how powerful he was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: He had a very unique angle, right, He saw every
Speaker 10: every kind of every perspective right through these Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he never voted. He could care less who was
Speaker 2: the president. It was just these things were irrelevant to him.
Speaker 2: I like them all he knew because he knew.
Speaker 3: A lot of his stories seems very much like the
Speaker 3: fool archetype or this kind of hero element of him
Speaker 3: where he ignorantly was pursuing you know, not that he
Speaker 3: didn't have alter pursuits in wanting the badges and so forth,
Speaker 3: but the part of it just seems like he's just
Speaker 3: strolling through life trying to you know, portray this you know,
Speaker 3: giver of books and knowledge and all these all these
Speaker 3: little hints of him just being this ignorant hero.
Speaker 2: I do connect him to the trickster archetype, not the
Speaker 2: king archetype. And I think that's a valid one, because
Speaker 2: he was a trickster. A trickster brings people into a
Speaker 2: new world, whether it's the Changer or the Coyota Native
Speaker 2: lore or Lucky or they are the gods of the doorways.
Speaker 2: The door hinge depends on Hermes and el has brought
Speaker 2: this people, this country that have been decimated by the
Speaker 2: Great Depression War two, and brought these people to this
Speaker 2: new era where we were the most powerful empire history
Speaker 2: had seen, you know, satellites, nuclear bombs, mass media and
Speaker 2: everybody's freaking out. And Elvis with his rock music, He
Speaker 2: and Johnny Cash and Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard,
Speaker 2: with these sort of shamans who brought and gave the
Speaker 2: people medicine to be able to stand psychologically this change.
Speaker 2: I mean the tricksters at the crossroads. He was at
Speaker 2: the crossroads of the old way and this new empire,
Speaker 2: the crossloads of the old way gender saw each other
Speaker 2: and the new sexuality. Elvis taught women how to objectify men.
Speaker 2: Women suddenly had a male gaze and they can look
Speaker 2: at him and say, and this power, this kungalina, this
Speaker 2: eating of the fruit woke women up. But it taught
Speaker 2: men to be more sensitive because he looked so vulnerable,
Speaker 2: and he taught men, you know, you don't have to
Speaker 2: be Gary Cooper. You can be like me or Marlon Brando,
Speaker 2: soft and sensitive. He taught. He brought people to the
Speaker 2: crossroads of the old religion to all this new spirituality,
Speaker 2: to this new music. Were oh my god, we can
Speaker 2: listen to African American music and Hispanic music. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was the lord of the crosslers and the trickster.
Speaker 2: That's what the trickster does. And again I feel like
Speaker 2: he is a trickster because if this is the United States,
Speaker 2: I don't know what our next incarnation is going to be.
Speaker 2: But the trickster is the one that takes us. And
Speaker 2: if you trust the trickster, you're going to be alright.
Speaker 2: If not, bad things are going to happen.
Speaker 8: I feel like he used his music as like a
Speaker 8: spiritual kind of modality I don't. I was going to
Speaker 8: say earlier, I don't know if he wrote his own stuff.
Speaker 1: But he No.
Speaker 2: That's a good point though. I think when we see
Speaker 2: rock music as a spirituality, it makes perfect sense because again,
Speaker 2: these guys like Johnny Cash and Elvis, there were pastors.
Speaker 2: The term rock and rolling started in Pentecostal churches when
Speaker 2: people would be grabbed by the Holy Spirit that they'd
Speaker 2: be like shaking. And then when rock music came out,
Speaker 2: these music critics would go to these concerts say this
Speaker 2: is like a Holy tent revival. What's going on? It's
Speaker 2: the same thing. They're not handling snakes and doing the
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit, but they're like shaking and going crazy. So
Speaker 2: and rock music really is a fusion, as many critics
Speaker 2: of notice notice it's of gospel music and the blues.
Speaker 2: And by the blues, I mean the devilish trickster African animals.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and Elvis always said I carry heaven and
Speaker 2: hell with me, and I got and I got about
Speaker 2: what you meant. Gospel music, heaven, the blues, hell, This
Speaker 2: fusion that was rock music shamanistic altered states, and it
Speaker 2: was a way to sort of free people and help
Speaker 2: people as the United States came into is its new identity?
Speaker 2: Is this amazing empire that nobody had seen? As I show,
Speaker 2: you know, using the work of Chris Knowles, You've got
Speaker 2: like here's technology, human history. Oh look the Samerians. They
Speaker 2: kind of popped. Then we're put putt, putt putt. But
Speaker 2: then in nineteen late forties fifties, we shoot up like
Speaker 2: never before, nobody's ever seen that we have it, and
Speaker 2: we kind of stopped in the twenty first century. What happened,
Speaker 2: aliens not I mean, whatever happened, It was a mind
Speaker 2: blown kind of thing. And you almost needed that trickster energy,
Speaker 2: that spirituality as a coping skill. And he never answered
Speaker 2: your question. He never wrote songs because with Elvis, it
Speaker 2: was all about feeling the energy. He always said, I
Speaker 2: can feel like in gospel music, in the blues, the
Speaker 2: plight of the black person, who's disenfranchised, who's homeless. I
Speaker 2: feel that energy or gospel music, I feel these people
Speaker 2: crying out for Christ in the you know, in the
Speaker 2: fields and all that. So Elvis was always about getting
Speaker 2: some music and making it its own and making it.
Speaker 8: So unique beautiful, actually, isn't it. I was raised in
Speaker 8: a Costle. I can get on board with that.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, was he exposed to that stuff?
Speaker 8: Huh?
Speaker 4: He was exposed to that stuff, wasn't he as a younger.
Speaker 8: I was going to say, Jerry Lee was Jerry Lee
Speaker 8: came from gospel too.
Speaker 2: You're all Pentecostals. And again, as scholars have said, Pentecostalism
Speaker 2: is Christian mystery school. Shamanism are altered states of mind,
Speaker 2: healing your body, your mind, and that's what these guys were.
Speaker 8: That's one hundred dude. Should have you should have seen
Speaker 8: the people at my church. They would be rolling around
Speaker 8: and shouting and jumping out. I mean, I loved it.
Speaker 8: I thought it was great. As a kid, I'd look
Speaker 8: forward to going to church. I'd even get in on it.
Speaker 8: But it's, uh, yeah, it's it's cool. I like where
Speaker 8: you went with that, because it does sound like that,
Speaker 8: you know, gospel bluesy kind of cool sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And people used to remember pentecostal I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: people hated the blues in the forties, not just the whites,
Speaker 2: black proper black people hated the blues with it because
Speaker 2: it was so corruptive and dangerous. But they had a
Speaker 2: problem with Pentecostalism too, because they used to say these Pentecostals,
Speaker 2: they're mixing Jesus and sex, that's all they're doing. And
Speaker 2: that became rock and roll.
Speaker 9: Well in Memphis when you get into that Memphis area,
Speaker 9: just what is it west they call uh hell in
Speaker 9: the Arkansas area West Memphis, which is basically where Robert
Speaker 9: Johnson went out and went to the Crossroads and you know,
Speaker 9: signed the deal with Papa Legba and came back. So
Speaker 9: that whole area is kind of really just uh you know,
Speaker 9: like a like a prime place you know, for for this, Yeah,
Speaker 9: this energetic kind of you know music.
Speaker 2: And guess what. Robert Johnson he died the same day
Speaker 2: Elvis died. I bet they both.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, they died on the same day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Mark Johnson was like a million years old.
Speaker 9: He was twenty seven. He was the first twenty seven.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I know. But I thought like it was
Speaker 8: like a million years ago that he did that, because
Speaker 8: all the pictures you see of him are like black
Speaker 8: and white, like holding a guitar. It just looks super
Speaker 8: old to me. I thought it was like in the
Speaker 8: thirties or something. But no, yeah, I saw that recording
Speaker 8: studio in Memphis, and I always thought it was kind
Speaker 8: of in your face a little bit, like with what
Speaker 8: they had going on.
Speaker 9: And it's the same studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, with that, with all the
Speaker 1: anthroposophy and everything, do you think he ever like channeled anything,
Speaker 1: you know where he would act completely different.
Speaker 5: I mean obviously he knew he obviously knew how.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he certainly had altered states
Speaker 2: of mind. Again, the astral travel he would do a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he could change. He had the power to read minds.
Speaker 2: People could be freaked out because he could. He could
Speaker 2: read you, you know, exactly what you're thinking, what you're
Speaker 2: going to do. When he was in a bad mood.
Speaker 2: He had a way of just crushing your soul, which
Speaker 2: he got in from his mother. You know these people
Speaker 2: they walk into the room and you can feel him
Speaker 2: just suck all the energy up. His mother could do
Speaker 2: it to anybody, no matter how rich they were when
Speaker 2: she wore And yeah, he had really powerful abilities.
Speaker 4: So what was in your opinion, what do you think,
Speaker 4: I know you mentioned theosophy before. What do you think
Speaker 4: was like some of his I guess major influences. He
Speaker 4: came to the occult Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, everything you name it. Yes, theosophy, he loved the Onanda,
Speaker 2: Manly p Hall, but he got into really anything. Khalilki brains,
Speaker 2: a prophet, gerjiev Hermann essay, he read Albert Pike. He
Speaker 2: loved morals and dogma. I mean again, this guy was
Speaker 2: reading one hundred some books a week and he wanted
Speaker 2: to know because what happened is that he was really burned,
Speaker 2: you know, not just the death of his mother. But
Speaker 2: we have to forget Elvis came and it was like
Speaker 2: a nuclear bomb. You know, for three years he was
Speaker 2: the most famous person on earth. He was already the goat,
Speaker 2: the king of rock and roll. It was, you know,
Speaker 2: a settle, kind of like Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky.
Speaker 2: You just know that's it. Nobody's gonna come. You know
Speaker 2: it in your heart. But we have to remember that
Speaker 2: a lot of the country hated his guts. They hated
Speaker 2: how he was liberating women. How dangerous is music? I mean,
Speaker 2: the government was worried. The Christians were very pissed off.
Speaker 2: I mean, his own pastor said that he'd been possessed
Speaker 2: by the devil. Billy Graham went publicly and denounced him.
Speaker 2: People like Frank Sinatra were just pissed off. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was a threat, and he was completely burned by Christianity,
Speaker 2: and so he was like, maybe these assholes are just
Speaker 2: you know, it's a business, and I'm really angry at
Speaker 2: And plus he had already said there's no way there's
Speaker 2: eternal hell. He'd already believed in re incarnation when he
Speaker 2: was a teenager. He just said, it's just normal, it's
Speaker 2: just logically, it's a logical thing. So he was burned,
Speaker 2: and then he became kind of after the army, he
Speaker 2: became disillusioned with his fame and all that. He met
Speaker 2: his spiritual teacher, Larry Geller, and the books that he
Speaker 2: got him gave him the Jesus he needed, which was
Speaker 2: the cosmic Jesus, that inner Christ, the wise teacher Jesus.
Speaker 2: So anywhere this Jesus was, whether it was the gnostic
Speaker 2: Gospels or manly p hall with the mystical Christ, or Theosophy,
Speaker 2: he was so happy to learn, and he was so
Speaker 2: happy to believe that we all have Christ within us,
Speaker 2: we all can bring this Christ, and some do. And
Speaker 2: these are some wise people throughout history that are there
Speaker 2: for the betterment of men he ascended masters. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: the Freemasons, maybe it's Buddhas or ast Jesus. But he
Speaker 2: was so happy that there was hope and we all
Speaker 2: had a christ power within us. And he always hoped
Speaker 2: that he perhaps could be this next religious teacher. But
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to do it. He had to have
Speaker 2: the call until I was self actualized would he do it?
Speaker 2: And it never happened. But he was so hopeful. So
Speaker 2: all these traditions and it went to the east could
Speaker 2: be Daoism. Buddhism gave him this hope, this idea of
Speaker 2: Christ's consciousness and a way to get closer to God
Speaker 2: and also answer the big questions because he always wondered, well,
Speaker 2: why did my twin die? We came out thirty minutes apart.
Speaker 2: Why did he die? Why was I born poor? If
Speaker 2: I'd been rich, we could have afforded a hospital and
Speaker 2: I had at home. Why did I get stinking rich?
Speaker 2: But other people in the South are forgotten and they
Speaker 2: lived in Squalor. So he was always trying to figure
Speaker 2: out the nature of evil and God and all that.
Speaker 1: Was there an issue with the second baby's delivery, was
Speaker 1: there like a placenta detachment possibly, and that's why she
Speaker 1: couldn't have any more kids.
Speaker 2: Do you know, Yeah, I don't think we know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a good question, but.
Speaker 5: I am a nurse. I was just kidding.
Speaker 11: I know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But one thing you find out is that if you
Speaker 2: grew up in the Great Depression in the South, you
Speaker 2: were forgotten. Doesn't matter what race you were. It was horrible.
Speaker 2: It was like North Korea living so records aren't bad.
Speaker 2: And these people, like they said, where Elvis lived, it
Speaker 2: was on the wrong side of the wrong side of
Speaker 2: the tracks, so there was not records. He couldn't afford
Speaker 2: They couldn't afford a hospital, so they had to have
Speaker 2: it in his little house. That was probably not a midwife.
Speaker 2: Jesse came first, right, Jesse came first. He came out stillborn.
Speaker 2: Elvis came out thirty five minutes later. They put him
Speaker 2: in an oven because they were so apparent that he
Speaker 2: did it up. That's how paranoid. Then they went to
Speaker 2: the hospital and then they simply told Gladys that's it,
Speaker 2: you're done. So that was It was a horrible existence.
Speaker 2: Because there was one time when Elvis had a fever
Speaker 2: and tonsilitis and they went to the doctor's like, I
Speaker 2: can't do anything for you. So they had to do
Speaker 2: like a prayer circle around them, and in a few
Speaker 2: hours they healed them. So you wonder why these people
Speaker 2: were leaning so much on the Holy Spirit a lot,
Speaker 2: because it's it's amazing this happened in this country. I
Speaker 2: still even when I went to Mississippi, I went to Memphis,
Speaker 2: driving through Mississippi, I'm like, God, damn, what's wrong with
Speaker 2: this country. These people are forgotten. These people deserve better.
Speaker 2: We have all this money for wars, but we have
Speaker 2: these people in places like Mississippi, good people, and they're
Speaker 2: just they're forgotten.
Speaker 9: And Elvis, Yeah, projects with no doors and no windows.
Speaker 9: It's yeah, pretty bad.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. It's incredible.
Speaker 3: Man, I had on something some of the themes of
Speaker 3: what you've been saying, Miguel Is, I think he really
Speaker 3: kind of did succeed as you're describing his initiate character
Speaker 3: of that trickster God in a lot of ways. As
Speaker 3: we refer to the politics of the nation back then,
Speaker 3: it was divided in a very physical ordained manner and
Speaker 3: really like we couldn't even conceptualize combining Karate with Hinduism
Speaker 3: and all the and Manly p Hall and and all
Speaker 3: these things that he was combining in what we consider
Speaker 3: today to be a really Americana kind of thing, but
Speaker 3: back then it wasn't. And as occultist, I think we
Speaker 3: all embody finding at least the comparative, if not the syncretic,
Speaker 3: which he actually put forth, a syncretic esoteric possibility like
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I can be like Bruce Lee and Manley
Speaker 3: p Hall or what have you? Even a baseball player
Speaker 3: and kung fu any number of things. So he really,
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways did initiate us into that potential.
Speaker 2: Well said, no, I couldn't have said it better. True. Again,
Speaker 2: he was the lord of the cross Rods. He brought
Speaker 2: all this stuff, made it acceptable, even black music. He
Speaker 2: did something that almost got him killed. He dated a
Speaker 2: black girl in high school, right the sheriffs almost ended
Speaker 2: his life. He would go if he wanted to listen
Speaker 2: to gospel music black, he would go to this church.
Speaker 2: He was the one at the back, isolated, segregated from
Speaker 2: the congrege. And he didn't care because he was like
Speaker 2: this shit is good. I don't give a shit. And
Speaker 2: he brought it out. You know, it's the same with spirituality,
Speaker 2: like I said, martial arts so much, and even the media.
Speaker 2: Elvis knew how to use media and technology. He knew
Speaker 2: the importance of TV, satellites, the jukebox.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He made it cool for the population to say, hey,
Speaker 2: this is so let's embrace this stuff. Let's let's see it.
Speaker 8: What did he do with like these extraterrestrial encounters. Did
Speaker 8: he like try to tell people about him? Was it
Speaker 8: like hush hush, Like I think that's kind of dope.
Speaker 8: Like Elvis, you know, King of Rock, extraterrestrial, extraordinary shaman, occultist,
Speaker 8: Like what the heck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a great voice. Sorry, right excited, but
Speaker 2: uh no, he again, he was so ahead of the
Speaker 2: curve when it came to UFOs. By the sixties, I
Speaker 2: believed in, uh let's keep quiet. By the sixties he
Speaker 2: already thought had very sophisticated views on UFOs. For example,
Speaker 2: he was one of the first people to read Vondanikin's
Speaker 2: Chariots of the Gods. So he's like, maybe we are
Speaker 2: ancient aliens, he said, he very much was voice, very loudly,
Speaker 2: how the aliens were stopping us from destroying ourselves, and
Speaker 2: he believed in the star seed. I mean, these were
Speaker 2: ideas like us that he sort of balanced out. He'd
Speaker 2: read Ezekiel. He read Ezekiel, and he's like, these these
Speaker 2: wheels gotta be aliens. So very he read the Book
Speaker 2: of Enoch and wondered, well, maybe they're aliens, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of today where the religion and eufology are no
Speaker 2: longer separated. Back then it was very separated. He was
Speaker 2: one of the first pioneers to do that. And he
Speaker 2: always talked to you know. Again, he had his experiences
Speaker 2: of seeing Eufo's lights and all that. He added with
Speaker 2: his bodyguards as spiritual teachers, so he would talk to
Speaker 2: them about it. But he'd never made it like he
Speaker 2: never went to the press or anything like that. It wasn't.
Speaker 2: He used to say, yeah, even me, they'll think I'm
Speaker 2: crazy and put me away. And so he was very,
Speaker 2: very sophisticated in how we saw eupology. He read the
Speaker 2: Book of Urante. Uh you read uh. Yeah. He was
Speaker 2: very first in the whole Ufo thing, very very.
Speaker 8: So did he think we like did he believe in
Speaker 8: heaven and stuff like we're what did What were his thoughts.
Speaker 2: On that like, yeah, that's a good one he thought.
Speaker 2: And it's actually similar to what the Gnostics thought. He thought,
Speaker 2: You are incarnated, but it's all your choice or adventure.
Speaker 2: If you choose the material path every r incarnation, you're
Speaker 2: going to go down, down, down, and eventually just poof,
Speaker 2: just integrate. But if you keep getting better every life,
Speaker 2: eventually you'll reach whatever the like, God, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it. So it's a very sophisticated. I think
Speaker 2: the Gnostics had that idea that you know, it's your choice,
Speaker 2: you get to choose, nobody else chooses what's going to happen.
Speaker 8: So do you think, like Lisa Marie like in her
Speaker 8: mom obviously, like you would think growing up with this
Speaker 8: guy as a dad, you might have some of these
Speaker 8: same like beliefs and stuff. But they went totally left.
Speaker 8: They went scientology. It just seems odd to me. It's
Speaker 8: like if you had a cool dad like this, literally
Speaker 8: it's Elvis. And then she married Michael Jackson for a while,
Speaker 8: Like I don't know what's going on with her, but scientology,
Speaker 8: Like really, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: They were predators and he made more sense, yeah, than
Speaker 1: the marriage with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 5: I was like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 8: Like, literally, what is going on with her?
Speaker 2: As? Right? Yeah? Yeah she was but she was a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah she was young, and uh, I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk for Priscilla. When you look at Elvis fandom, he
Speaker 2: is Uh. I don't know if it's fair or not.
Speaker 2: It's kind of if you guys to watch Breaking Bad.
Speaker 2: You ever noticed everybody hates Sky, but that's the last
Speaker 2: person you should hate. It's like there's so many other villains.
Speaker 2: You know, Walter White is far more evil than his wife.
Speaker 2: But so I try not to judge, but least about
Speaker 2: Priscilla is seen as almost the devil with in the
Speaker 2: Elvis fandom Lady Macbeth Narcisses.
Speaker 5: So she did have that red hair.
Speaker 4: Though maybe.
Speaker 2: You had to survive Elvis because we have to. When
Speaker 2: you lived with Elvis, it was always chaos every day.
Speaker 2: I mean there was press, celebrities, always something going on.
Speaker 2: Elvis was always out of control, and he did what
Speaker 2: he wanted to do. I mean he'd do stuff like
Speaker 2: he'd wake up and say, I'm in the mood for
Speaker 2: this peanut butter. Right, peanut butter sandwich in Denver, you know,
Speaker 2: light up the planes we're leaving in an hour. That's
Speaker 2: a kind of life he led. It was just Vegas.
Speaker 2: It was constant chaos. To be in Elvis's orbit, regardless
Speaker 2: whether you're a bodyguard a family member, was just it
Speaker 2: was out of control. It was exhausting, It was wonderful,
Speaker 2: it was a bless but you could barely. I think
Speaker 2: that's the reason people didn't say more, because it was
Speaker 2: just there was so much going on. How could you
Speaker 2: even stop to talk to the press about UFO's or something.
Speaker 8: It's yeah, she in her book, she kind of makes
Speaker 8: him sound like a real pos I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 8: Like when I read her book, I was like, fuck
Speaker 8: this guy, like this guy which one Lisa Priscilla or
Speaker 8: Priscilla's book. It was kind of like, I mean, obviously
Speaker 8: there's After I read her book, I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: hell now some of the stuffy like you know, but
Speaker 8: you get to a certain point where if you get
Speaker 8: married that young and you have that weird lifestyle, you're
Speaker 8: gonna at some point not like each other anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you have to and also you have
Speaker 2: to take it with a grain of salt, Like there's
Speaker 2: this in the first edition of her book, there's a
Speaker 2: scene where before they broke up, Elvis essay the she
Speaker 2: backtracked and took it out because she said, I was
Speaker 2: just angry at him. And then there's a like another
Speaker 2: one where she says, Elvis always wanted me to have
Speaker 2: a buffont and he controlled what. Yes, she did say that,
Speaker 2: but when you look at pictures of her, she's got
Speaker 2: her hair down at the press or she'd say Elvis
Speaker 2: didn't let allow me to leave Graceland. But there's pictures
Speaker 2: of her in New York and Jet saying so again,
Speaker 2: you know things that happened between couples. Yeah, you want
Speaker 2: to take aside. I try not to, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, he was abusive, she was abusive. He
Speaker 2: was not faithful, she was not faithful. It's a I
Speaker 2: don't know there Again, Elvis was cursed.
Speaker 8: And I was going to say, I mean she was
Speaker 8: so young, so so young when they got married. And
Speaker 8: obviously if it's like that thing, like if everybody wants
Speaker 8: to screw your husband, I mean, that's that's that's not
Speaker 8: a good place to be.
Speaker 5: Well, he didn't want to give it to her, So
Speaker 5: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: It's like, oh, it's like everybody wants to screw him
Speaker 8: and I can't even get any Like, what is this about?
Speaker 5: Master came in?
Speaker 8: You're right, probably some of his spiritual.
Speaker 2: Beliefs, Margaret and she's at home, do you think but
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 8: Think that's part of his spiritualism or do you think
Speaker 8: that's part of like him running around on her? Because
Speaker 8: I've always heard like, you shouldn't give up your life essence.
Speaker 8: Every time you sleep with somebody, you're giving up like
Speaker 8: your life essence. This is like a big spirituality thing.
Speaker 8: And he really didn't have sex with Priscilla, like hardly
Speaker 8: ever maybe to have Lisa Marie and then that was it.
Speaker 5: After that, didn't you do sex magic though? With some peoples?
Speaker 11: Right up?
Speaker 8: Like there's got to be something to that.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, here's one. Yeah, one theory states again because
Speaker 2: remember he's got the mommy issue, bad mommy issues. So
Speaker 2: it is said that he couldnt have sex with women
Speaker 2: who had conceived children too much of a mother archetype.
Speaker 2: That was an issue now and there are some there's
Speaker 2: evidence for it. But then there's evidence like Priscilla was
Speaker 2: in Peters Morgan and she talked about when he went
Speaker 2: to Vegas in the seventies they had the best fling ever.
Speaker 2: So it's hard, but that was that was an issue too,
Speaker 2: they say with Elvis. And also you have to think too,
Speaker 2: is people who lose their twins at a young age.
Speaker 2: Twinless survivors are always they're very they're workaholics, they are
Speaker 2: a seekers, but they are very self destructive, addiction prone
Speaker 2: and can never have normal relationships. Then of course there's
Speaker 2: a problem. People who have enmeshment issues, lethal enmeshment issues,
Speaker 2: same thing. They have a propensity for addiction, they're self destructive,
Speaker 2: and they can't have normal relations So Elvis had the
Speaker 2: double whammy of you know what I mean and even
Speaker 2: admitted I think in like before he died, he looked
Speaker 2: at his friend Charlie Hodges and he quoted from Khalil
Speaker 2: your brain's love. You know, love will crown you and
Speaker 2: crucify you. And he told them, I realized, I'm forty
Speaker 2: two and I've never been able. I've never loved a
Speaker 2: woman properly. I can't believe I've just learning this now.
Speaker 2: He was going to get married to ginger Alden, but
Speaker 2: he finally had forty two was like, Holy mother, I've
Speaker 2: just wasted my entire life, and I've got to fix this.
Speaker 2: But you know, time around now, I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked he didn't marry an older woman with his
Speaker 1: whole situation with the.
Speaker 8: End, well, it'd have to be an older woman who
Speaker 8: never conceived a lot of them out, an older woman
Speaker 8: that looked like his mom, who'd never can see who
Speaker 8: was in ritualism.
Speaker 4: That's a very very it's just like such a small
Speaker 4: slover the population to choose from.
Speaker 8: Right there, So you said, like he predicted his death,
Speaker 8: and he would like who did he tell? Did he
Speaker 8: like have journals or something that somebody went back and read.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, he told people things he was like doing.
Speaker 2: He was acting differently, like making sure that documents and
Speaker 2: contracts were set. He remembered telling a friend out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: you know, angels fly because they take themselves so lightly.
Speaker 2: And the way he said it to his friend freaked
Speaker 2: him out. He would drive from Memphis to Mississippi with
Speaker 2: a friend at night and he would be looking under
Speaker 2: the house for his lost marbles. Just very strange behavior.
Speaker 2: And he dropped all these hints and I showed them
Speaker 2: in the book. But the most obvious one is two
Speaker 2: days before he passed, he was in his room just
Speaker 2: you know, on drugs and pain, just in his bed,
Speaker 2: but he was reading all these occult books and the
Speaker 2: Bible and all that. And his stepbrother David Stanley called
Speaker 2: his stepbrother, David Stanley to talk to him. His stepbrother
Speaker 2: needed advice. And then he turned to his brother and
Speaker 2: he said, I want to tell you something. In two days,
Speaker 2: I am going to be on a higher plane. And
Speaker 2: his stepbrothers, yeah, we got to catch a plane to
Speaker 2: Portland for the concert. And Elvis like rolled his eyes like, hey, pearls,
Speaker 2: you know, pearls for pigs, and you know, said I
Speaker 2: love you and I'll talk to you. But he was right.
Speaker 2: Two days he was not around.
Speaker 8: That's kind of crazy actually, because I thought he was
Speaker 8: like at the end of his life, he was kind
Speaker 8: of like sat and bloated and useless. Sorry, go ahead you,
Speaker 8: oh no, thank you.
Speaker 3: Sorry, my computer was lacking. I heard a rumor that
Speaker 3: he also had some experiences when he was a child.
Speaker 3: Obviously these would be more difficult to corroborate. But were
Speaker 3: there stories about these UFO experiences when he was a child,
Speaker 3: and can you break down the lenin and Jesus, cloud formation.
Speaker 2: Did you hear about that? Yeah, I haven't heard anything
Speaker 2: about UFOs when he was a child, So that one
Speaker 2: I haven't heard. What was the second question before the
Speaker 2: lenin one?
Speaker 3: I saw when he was driving between Memphis and LA
Speaker 3: that he saw a cloud formation of lenin and then Jesus,
Speaker 3: if that's I believe right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 11: He was.
Speaker 2: He had been practicing spirituality. It was very earnest and
Speaker 2: reading a lot, and they were driving from Memphis to LA.
Speaker 2: He didn't like to fly for some reason for years,
Speaker 2: so they drive these mobile homes and he was driving
Speaker 2: and he was frustrated, and he got angry at a
Speaker 2: spiritual teacher and said, look, I'm doing this thing. I
Speaker 2: don't feel I'm getting closer to God. And his teacher said,
Speaker 2: gave him the Zen parable where the teacher puts and
Speaker 2: tells the student of port and the water comes out
Speaker 2: and the students like freaking out, and said, yes, your
Speaker 2: cup is too full. The only way for God to
Speaker 2: come in is you got to empty yourself. So you
Speaker 2: need to chill out with the studying and all that
Speaker 2: and just let God come to you when he's ready.
Speaker 2: So then they had this discussion. They're driving through Arizona
Speaker 2: and he and his spiritual teacher Larry Gilla, look up
Speaker 2: and they both see the clouds are forming and it
Speaker 2: turns into the ultimate visage of evil, which back then
Speaker 2: was not letting, it was Stalin. So it became the
Speaker 2: face of Stalin mocking and Elvis like pulls to one side.
Speaker 2: And remember there's a whole convoy of these and he
Speaker 2: runs into the desert with Larry and he's like facing
Speaker 2: this thing, and Elvis is basically saying, you know, I
Speaker 2: just realized I am not empty, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of evil in me, and now evil is showing itself
Speaker 2: in the world, in the in the sky. So he
Speaker 2: went to this this demon or whatever and said, look,
Speaker 2: if this evil is within me, destroy me. I get it,
Speaker 2: take me off the chessboard. I wasn't able to do
Speaker 2: it this lifetime. I'm humbly, you know, bowing down. And
Speaker 2: then suddenly this evil went down into but turned into Jesus,
Speaker 2: and he was filled with the power of Christ and
Speaker 2: he felt this bliss that he had never felt before.
Speaker 2: And again his friend Larry was there and they both
Speaker 2: started hugging each other and like, Elvis, you know, I'll
Speaker 2: never doubt. I know there is a God. I know
Speaker 2: there is a purpose. So it's a very powerful mystic
Speaker 2: experience that again, you know, kept him going and kept
Speaker 2: him with his studies for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: And like I say in the book, it's interesting because
Speaker 2: philip Ate Dick, not too far away around that time,
Speaker 2: had the same vision, except Dick was walking to a
Speaker 2: place he used to write, and he looked up and
Speaker 2: then the clouds formed into this metallic demiurge creature looking
Speaker 2: down on him, laughing at him, and Dick freaked out
Speaker 2: and ran off. And the parallels that they both it
Speaker 2: brought him closer to Jesus, and it brought him closer
Speaker 2: to studying the occult. So interesting parallels right there.
Speaker 4: One thing I wanted to ask, I think I heard
Speaker 4: you bring up. It's probably in the book as well,
Speaker 4: is his lightning bolt symbolism. I think you said it
Speaker 4: kind of came from It might have been Marvel, which
Speaker 4: had a cult you connotations behind it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean one of his big heroes was
Speaker 2: Captain Marvel. He was a big comic book reader. And
Speaker 2: by Captain Marvel, I don't mean like the one we
Speaker 2: know today. The one that you've seen in the movies
Speaker 2: that well you do is the Shazam. That's who Captain
Speaker 2: Marvel was in the forties and fifties. And the light
Speaker 2: has the lightning bulb. It's a Shazam. And of all
Speaker 2: the heroes that became what he idolized, he was open
Speaker 2: about it was Captain Marvel. That's the most occult hero.
Speaker 2: This is a being. You have. This guy go sees
Speaker 2: a wizard and the wizard gives him the power of
Speaker 2: Solomon and Hercules and Atlas and Ermes and he says,
Speaker 2: says am and suddenly and Elvis just loved it. He
Speaker 2: used to think it was a story of, you know,
Speaker 2: especially Captain Marvel junior, of a kid who can turn
Speaker 2: into a superhero. And he sort of always said if
Speaker 2: he can turn into superhero, I can, but he cheat.
Speaker 2: He did choose the most magical one and it kept him.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lightning bult became like his logo, He's taking
Speaker 2: care of business and the lightning bolt. It was extremely important.
Speaker 2: And when you look at his Vegas costume, it makes
Speaker 2: sense because when you see him with the short cape
Speaker 2: and everything else, you realize, wait a second, he's dressing
Speaker 2: up like Shazam. That's which he was. It was like
Speaker 2: his hero. So it's a Captain Marvel is fascinating because
Speaker 2: the writer behind Captain Marvel or Shazam, Odo Binder. This
Speaker 2: guy was steeped into eufology and the occult and all that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a fascinating connection. And I'm writing now
Speaker 2: to the other book, Elvis two point zero, which is
Speaker 2: David Bowie, where I just realized they're both the same character.
Speaker 2: I was going.
Speaker 4: If you think he influenced David Bowie, I was actually
Speaker 4: going to ask you that, oh he is.
Speaker 2: The light blow too, blow by blow. I mean, Bowie
Speaker 2: knew they knew each other. Bowie knew what Elvis was
Speaker 2: doing and tapped into the same powers. In fact, Captain
Speaker 2: Marvel is behind Bowie too, Elvis Captain Marvel. There's this
Speaker 2: very weird nexus with Elvis Bowie, Captain Marvel, Philip k
Speaker 2: Did and Ridley Scott that is, and William Burrows and
Speaker 2: all these cats, and it's a it's pretty well, it's
Speaker 2: pure magic. It's almost like their own secret society.
Speaker 8: I've always thought that about Marvel. They put so much
Speaker 8: stuff in those movies. I mean it's almost like ridiculous.
Speaker 8: There's even the spinoff shows. I don't know if you
Speaker 8: watched any of them. They're all like on the Disney
Speaker 8: Plus or whatever. There's one called Moon Night, and it's
Speaker 8: so oh my goodness, it's just retarded with it. But
Speaker 8: so you think, like David Bowie, he was like on
Speaker 8: the same kind of like spiritual wave of because he
Speaker 8: had kind of like an alter ego, right, Ziggy Stardust
Speaker 8: and many great.
Speaker 4: White dudes, they reinvented themselves over and over and over again. Actually,
Speaker 4: Elvis and David.
Speaker 2: Bow very true. I mean it's almost like and Bowie
Speaker 2: admits it. When he started wearing Ziggy Starduck with the jumpsuits,
Speaker 2: He's like, Elvin, you know, it was always I'm going
Speaker 2: to tap into the same magic. I mean, Bowie saw
Speaker 2: him in concert, and Bowie he went to his wife
Speaker 2: and he's like, wow, women are just throwing themselves at him,
Speaker 2: and his wife is like, just the first time you
Speaker 2: noticed that Elvis was sexy, And Bowie's like, yes, but
Speaker 2: now I know how, and you know, and Elvis sent
Speaker 2: them notes. And the great secret is that before Elvis died,
Speaker 2: he actually called David Bowie said would you produce my
Speaker 2: next album? And Bowie was like, shit, yeah, but it
Speaker 2: didn't happen. You know, Bowie was just completely crushed. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the parallels between them two is it's very freaky and
Speaker 2: there were influences a lot of the same books that
Speaker 2: were reading, and it's almost, yeah, two Tricksters, two Starman.
Speaker 2: If you know what I mean to space age Messiahs,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 8: I think Bowie kind of more openly though. I always
Speaker 8: had such a thing for him because he was like
Speaker 8: magical almost, like even his songs and like some of
Speaker 8: the lyrics are just like Starman. I always loved him,
Speaker 8: but Elvis kind of kept it more under wraps. I
Speaker 8: guess that's why I never knew this stuff about him,
Speaker 8: because if you look at his songs really there they
Speaker 8: are like the more like handholdy kind of bubblegum stuff.
Speaker 8: So and then you look at David Bowie and it's like,
Speaker 8: I think I just astro projected after that album, like you.
Speaker 12: All not when Elvis got into that Egyptian deal though
Speaker 12: he got And then I think they're just so sacred feminine,
Speaker 12: like honestly, the way they're dressing everything like they're just.
Speaker 8: What are some of his like topics besides that, like
Speaker 8: his book, like his hits that were besides like returned
Speaker 8: to Cinder and like stuff like that. Like what what
Speaker 8: were like his egyptiany ones.
Speaker 2: Again, Elvis was looking at the powers underneath them. That's
Speaker 2: what he wanted to make it himself and to show
Speaker 2: these emotions. Again, his concerts were like Dionysian festivals where
Speaker 2: women were sometimes almost tore him apart. You know when
Speaker 2: David Bowie found that secret. He had women also just
Speaker 2: doing that. But it's really not You have to listen
Speaker 2: to some of his gospel music, Like I would advise
Speaker 2: you guys, listen to the Life version of American Trilogy
Speaker 2: and you'll be like, now I know what it is
Speaker 2: to be an American. It's so touching. He talks about
Speaker 2: the cotton fields and struggling in the working class, and
Speaker 2: he makes it in a way that only Elvis could
Speaker 2: do it, or some like how great thou art? You
Speaker 2: feel this power that's just beyond you. I think that's
Speaker 2: Heartbreak Hotel the first his first single, which people like
Speaker 2: John Lennon and Bob Dylan said when they heard that song,
Speaker 2: it was like a spiritual Awakening is a song about
Speaker 2: suic you know, it's about a guy who goes into
Speaker 2: a hotel room and it's like I'm done. It's a
Speaker 2: very existentialist song. So you see this sort of yeah,
Speaker 2: you see this hidden all over the place, and a
Speaker 2: lot of his music and he had a couple of
Speaker 2: social songs if I Can Dream, beautiful song that he
Speaker 2: wrote in the ghetto, very powerful songs. Yeah, there's something
Speaker 2: about Elvis. It's almost like you hear it for the
Speaker 2: first time and it's always new. I mean, the only thing,
Speaker 2: the only thing I can think of, because we all
Speaker 2: want newness, we want something like I've never heard this before.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm reborn. It's fresh. Like first time
Speaker 2: I ever heard Running with the Devil by Van Halen,
Speaker 2: I was like, what is this. I've never heard this.
Speaker 2: I've never heard a sound like that. Or Jimmy Hendrix.
Speaker 2: You hear his ribs and you go, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is new. There is something new under the sun
Speaker 2: and it just revitalized it. I feel that with Elvis,
Speaker 2: and in a lot of ways Bowie too. It's like
Speaker 2: they're tapping like David Gilmour, You're like you're tapping deep
Speaker 2: into another realm, into an archetypal place, and you're bring
Speaker 2: these energies up. Elvis could just do it with his voice,
Speaker 2: but these guys could do it with their guitar.
Speaker 8: And his body too. Holy crap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Well, and also with Elvis, he kind of, you know,
Speaker 9: crossed all the musical genres rockabilly, you know, surf music, gospel, country,
Speaker 9: rock and roll. Like I mean, he pretty much pliferated,
Speaker 9: you know, all the tendrils, you know, they.
Speaker 2: Throw them all together in a stew and just said,
Speaker 2: this is it heaven and hell.
Speaker 13: I feel.
Speaker 8: Off a little bit. Sorry, go ahead, Oh well, you're
Speaker 8: probably right.
Speaker 10: A lot of people I think ripped him off a
Speaker 10: little bit, you know what I mean, because he had
Speaker 10: an unrivaled stage presence.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was magical, who knows, Maybe he had a
Speaker 5: talisman in his pocket.
Speaker 2: Happy to see me, sh.
Speaker 5: That's what Joso said.
Speaker 2: But but it was all natural. He was, I mean,
Speaker 2: his hips and everything was nerves. If you look at
Speaker 2: the bass lerma, he wasn't trying it, just he was
Speaker 2: so nervous. He was an introvert. That's the thing that's freaky.
Speaker 2: He liked even later in his career, just he could
Speaker 2: sit outside in his yard and stare at the sky
Speaker 2: for hours. He liked being alone and he got his
Speaker 2: He loved being alone. So the fact he could just
Speaker 2: turn into this idol, this dionysis kind of figure, just
Speaker 2: off the bat. I mean, even Jim Morrison was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I just copied Elvis because he had that.
Speaker 2: I hate to say that it quality that cliche, but
Speaker 2: if you can say, if there's an inquality, he had
Speaker 2: it it was beyond this world.
Speaker 8: I don't know I was going to say something, but
Speaker 8: I just wanted to ask you too, because there was
Speaker 8: something I read. I can't remember where it was now
Speaker 8: about him, but it was like he like the introverted thing,
Speaker 8: like he didn't want to like be around people, and
Speaker 8: like he would like lock himself in his room and stuff.
Speaker 8: Like he almost like suffered from depression and stuff like
Speaker 8: that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he struggled again. Those demons got him at the end.
Speaker 2: He just couldn't shake off the death of his mother,
Speaker 2: Jesse's divorced from Priscilla. The addictions, I mean, it really
Speaker 2: got to him. But he loved being alone. One of
Speaker 2: his favored rituals he could sit alone in his room
Speaker 2: with a candle, and he could meditate himself back in
Speaker 2: the womb, and he can go even deeper into creation.
Speaker 2: So he had all these exercises, and I mean they
Speaker 2: say on his fortieth birthday, his girlfriend said he just
Speaker 2: sat alone in his room. He just didn't feel like celebrating.
Speaker 2: I think one of the big themes of the book
Speaker 2: is that of Paul le. I get this from Paul
Speaker 2: Levy his books on Watiko is the wounded healer. You
Speaker 2: find in many cultures around the world, all over the globe.
Speaker 2: The shaman is somebody who's been broken, they've had a
Speaker 2: near death experience, they've had trauma, they're diseased, and this
Speaker 2: opens the channels of communication and this person becomes the
Speaker 2: shaman and they can heal you, not despite their wounds
Speaker 2: and their trauma, but because of it. And they feel
Speaker 2: in their heads that if I heal my trauma, I
Speaker 2: will lose my powers and I can't serve the tribe,
Speaker 2: I can't be the person who heals you. And it's
Speaker 2: very tragic. And you see that. I mean, we see
Speaker 2: that with rock stars all the time. They're tragedy, they're wounds.
Speaker 2: We know they're going to die and implode, but they
Speaker 2: keep healing us and giving us good and using and
Speaker 2: that's the wounded healer trope. And in fact, as I
Speaker 2: show in my book, in certain cultures, the shaman always
Speaker 2: ends up as a drug addict, broken down, fat old guy,
Speaker 2: because not only are you the wounded healer, but you're
Speaker 2: carrying these energies, these powers. You're going to the spirit
Speaker 2: world there you bingo exactly, and it just destroys you.
Speaker 2: And the tribe's like, well, that's your job, you know,
Speaker 2: you need a shaman. And the shaman's like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is what I signed up where I'm going to die young.
Speaker 2: But what you know, it's a party. It just happened.
Speaker 2: And I say, Elvis was our shaman. He was the
Speaker 2: one that had to pay the price to heal us.
Speaker 4: Oh you know you had mentioned real real quick. I
Speaker 4: kind of got lost on the thought when you mentioned it.
Speaker 4: Did you say something about him having an experience like
Speaker 4: with the wound and meditating with a candle. Yeah, I've
Speaker 4: actually mentioned that experienced myself on the show a few times.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one of my experiences was just meditating across
Speaker 4: from my candle and like, yeah to where I was
Speaker 4: like I went somewhere else and when I wherever, whenever
Speaker 4: I came out of my meditation, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: that was like I honestly thought I had that experience.
Speaker 4: It was really fucking weird. Actually, yeah, so when you
Speaker 4: just said that now, I was like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 4: was like, I guess I'm not the only.
Speaker 2: Person saying that ship how too scared to try it?
Speaker 4: It's very weird. I'm I'm sure I've probably mentioned it
Speaker 4: on somebody's show here actually.
Speaker 5: Talk to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I've maybe mentioned Well, that's what
Speaker 4: I mean. I remember having a certain visual and just
Speaker 4: like the way I felt, and afterwards, I was like,
Speaker 4: the only thing that makes sense is that that was
Speaker 4: like me and the womb. It was just really weird.
Speaker 4: Or it's like I had this knowing that that's what
Speaker 4: it was when I came out of the meditation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Elvis was upseir. He was obsessed with birth and death.
Speaker 2: I mean he he used to go to Morgues for
Speaker 2: fun and yeah, he went with Priscilla all the time.
Speaker 9: They watch on a date.
Speaker 5: Let's yeah, he's doing somethwhere there.
Speaker 8: He's a guy that one.
Speaker 2: He gets freaked here. He one time they that's.
Speaker 8: Tell me he's a necrophile.
Speaker 2: No, no, he'saw there was a dead baby, and Priscilla
Speaker 2: starts crying. So they both sit there, just praying forever
Speaker 2: for this child's soul to go there. And he used
Speaker 2: to have he would have He loved watching dead people
Speaker 2: be embalmed, including friends, and he would just sit there
Speaker 2: and but but that's that's the job of the shaman.
Speaker 2: They have to know death and burial. He used to
Speaker 2: love hanging around at cemetery. He's a watching horror movies.
Speaker 2: Just that's what he did for fun. In fact, guess
Speaker 2: what after the the Tate Lebianca murder murders. Guess who
Speaker 2: showed up at the clo house a few days later. Elvis. Yes, yes, he.
Speaker 8: Dude, I don't know about that. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he did. I mean, a shaman has
Speaker 2: to be around the dead and around the Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I was gonna say, make a comparison from that
Speaker 3: time period. I think even generations past his death has
Speaker 3: been copy have many people have been copying him, of course,
Speaker 3: but at that time period, imagine how many people were
Speaker 3: copying him more attempting to even But I was just
Speaker 3: looking at Jim Jones, and he I think trying to
Speaker 3: use that whole persona to in of course a much
Speaker 3: darker way.
Speaker 8: Definitely the haircut.
Speaker 5: I can't help but see that, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 8: I mean he's definitely got the Elvis look going on.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, I got to ask you something, and please
Speaker 8: don't get offended or kick me off the video chat,
Speaker 8: because I just gotta ask you.
Speaker 5: All right, there are rumors, all right, rumors.
Speaker 8: I don't know. I wasn't there that Elvis was kind
Speaker 8: of you know, he was in the Little Boys and stuff.
Speaker 8: Do you think that there's any credibility to that?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so, I don't. As far as
Speaker 2: I looked, I don't see it. Again, I try to
Speaker 2: go to a reliable sort. There's so much hay to
Speaker 2: use the word misinformation because I sound like a politician,
Speaker 2: but there's so much gossipy, weird stuff, and so far
Speaker 2: I don't see anything that does that. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a very it's very known that he used to get
Speaker 2: hit on by men, and he like, hey man, you
Speaker 2: know it's all cool. I'm not my bag. You know
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 8: So well, I have to ask, just because the people
Speaker 8: who listen to my show are gonna definitely wonder why
Speaker 8: I didn't, because that's a thing. That's the thing. People
Speaker 8: will people know about that rumor, and they're like, dude,
Speaker 8: Elvis was into like he wasn't having sex with his wife,
Speaker 8: and he was probably in the Little Boys and he
Speaker 8: had like this weird femininity thing going on. So people,
Speaker 8: you know, speculated, yeah, the old.
Speaker 2: No, I don't see that sugge anywhere. And he was
Speaker 2: never I mean, if you're talking about a person who
Speaker 2: wasn't alone, you're talking about a person whose own bodyguards
Speaker 2: to betrayed him and wrote all all tell tale all
Speaker 2: books because they wanted to bring him down. Nothing like
Speaker 2: that has ever come up. But he was friends. He
Speaker 2: was friends with bisexual guy who was friends with James Dean,
Speaker 2: and they became very close. And when his mother died,
Speaker 2: this guy actually they moved a bed in his room
Speaker 2: to watch over Elvis and all that. That's the closest.
Speaker 2: There's also a time in the army where he was
Speaker 2: very upset and he heard about this thing called aroma therapy,
Speaker 2: and again back then it was like oh, but he
Speaker 2: he flew this guy in from Australia, somewhere and the
Speaker 2: guy's doing the aroma therapy and the guy grabs Elvis
Speaker 2: by the but Elvis freaked out kicked him out, and
Speaker 2: then the guy tried to blackmail him and the army
Speaker 2: got involved, you know, but he was cleared after a
Speaker 2: long investigation. So that's about as yeah, as far as
Speaker 2: I know, that's about as exciting as it gets. Very
Speaker 2: friends with Liberaci, but it was very platonic. Liberaci also
Speaker 2: lost his twin, so Liberaci gave him ideas like this
Speaker 2: is how you cope with the pain. And Liberaci in
Speaker 2: the fifties like, dude, you gotta wear jumpsuits. It's the
Speaker 2: next big thing. And Elvis is like, nah it, I'll
Speaker 2: never be in fashion.
Speaker 1: And you know, well, and with the esoteric, when you're
Speaker 1: when they're studying and and trying to they stop that
Speaker 1: because they're trying to keep their power.
Speaker 5: So it's like a whole thing with you know, the
Speaker 5: whole esoteric side of the studies.
Speaker 8: So they sense being like asexual.
Speaker 2: Well was very sexual. He was very sexual. He was
Speaker 2: very hermes very but he again I show him he's
Speaker 2: very much like the archetype of the Andragine because he
Speaker 2: had his feminine and masculine powers. That's why he he
Speaker 2: was into style. He understood women. H he was what
Speaker 2: which we used to call them metrosexuals and nygen x.
Speaker 5: He was like, I don't mean he was asexual in general.
Speaker 1: I mean if he went through bouts of asexualism, it
Speaker 1: was probably because he was studying and trying to be
Speaker 1: in the purification process.
Speaker 11: That's all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're one hundred percent right. When he was
Speaker 2: really into spirituality, he would disengage from relationships. In fact,
Speaker 2: it used to piss women off because women would be like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have this notch on my bedpost called
Speaker 2: Elvis Presley. Then get to his room, he's like, can
Speaker 2: we read a book? Let's me like, no, happened a lot.
Speaker 8: Hey, I'm I'm gonna get with Elvis. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: let's meet at the morgue and do some weird like yeah,
Speaker 8: you know how to turn a girl on.
Speaker 9: Or stuff that chart.
Speaker 10: Graham was gonna ask you when we're talking what we
Speaker 10: were talking the occult geographies of Memphis. I was gonna
Speaker 10: ask you, Elvis have any infinities for for the ancient
Speaker 10: mound sites of America, Memphis Deep in Mound Territory, and
Speaker 10: so is his child is Mississippi.
Speaker 2: He grew up on the Mound.
Speaker 1: He's my tenth cousin, and so I am Mormon heritage.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you there's the Mormon up in that boy.
Speaker 13: Like I don't know, mountain they got that mountain low,
Speaker 13: not those I know.
Speaker 2: As far as I know, not a as far as
Speaker 2: I know. I mean again, if he had to go anywhere,
Speaker 2: it had to be in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: If he went anywhere, he'd have to have a big entourage.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of things Elvis just could
Speaker 2: not see. He couldn't go to. Even in the fifties,
Speaker 2: he had to stop going to church.
Speaker 5: He had because lay lines where he build his place.
Speaker 8: And dude, did you know he Elvis was born on
Speaker 8: the thirty third parallel. You know all that weirdness about
Speaker 8: like people who are born on the thirty third parallel.
Speaker 8: So I don't know about that, Heidi, but like I know,
Speaker 8: he was born on like a weird child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steven Snyder, I did a show with him and
Speaker 2: he you know, he talked, But that's kind of his thing,
Speaker 2: mountains and parallels, and it's not my my forte.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I've had a number of mound the conversations
Speaker 10: with Recklose. He's very, very knowledgeable in the subjects.
Speaker 2: And he goes to these places. He doesn't just ride away,
Speaker 2: and he travels and he feels the energy and he
Speaker 2: digs around. So uh yeah, we've had a couple of
Speaker 2: show on Elvis to one on that and one, of
Speaker 2: course we had to have a long one to dispel
Speaker 2: the whole you know, was he was he a servant
Speaker 2: of the Jews, which, of course there's lots of literature like,
Speaker 2: so we have to spend an hour of dispelling that one.
Speaker 8: What does that even mean exactly?
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with that one. So that's an interesting
Speaker 2: interesting a servant of the Jews?
Speaker 11: Like what.
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I was like, what is he a Hebrew slave or
Speaker 8: something like?
Speaker 2: What was supposed to that he was, you know, created
Speaker 2: by Jewish bankers to.
Speaker 5: Well, it's the Jesuits.
Speaker 2: If not, don't worry, Yeah it's somebody. Yeah, but there's
Speaker 2: books written about it on papers really, but they don't
Speaker 2: hold up to you know, no, no, you know, he
Speaker 2: had Jewish blood, He had very close Jewish friends. He
Speaker 2: became friends as a kid with an Orthodox rabbi. But
Speaker 2: Elvis was, you know, he was his own person, owned destiny,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: Not Roy kne I hope.
Speaker 8: That wasn't a friend.
Speaker 2: That was his friend.
Speaker 8: Shut up around.
Speaker 5: I'm being an ass.
Speaker 8: I thought, oh my god, I was going to save
Speaker 8: those two are friends. I'm getting out of this.
Speaker 9: Elvis's manager. Elvis's manager, from what I understand, he had
Speaker 9: intelligence links, he had all these He didn't have any idea.
Speaker 9: That was one of the reasons they couldn't go overseas.
Speaker 9: It was kind of a mystery as to who this
Speaker 9: guy really was.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Colonel Parker, Yes, yes, that was his manager, and yeah,
Speaker 2: he wasn't an illegal immigrant.
Speaker 8: And Tom Hanks.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask if that.
Speaker 2: Job by Hanks, but yeah, that was him.
Speaker 8: So, so what did you think of that movie?
Speaker 13: Did you like it?
Speaker 8: Do you think it was like historically accurate?
Speaker 2: Some things aren't, some things are. You know, it briefly
Speaker 2: talks about Captain Marvel and Elvis and going to black churches,
Speaker 2: but doesn't touch on as occultism. You have to watch
Speaker 2: Sophia Coppola's movie Priscilla that spends about ten minutes Elvis
Speaker 2: driving everybody crazy with his ideas and she being furious
Speaker 2: at him and all that. But yeah, Parker, he was
Speaker 2: a carnival guy. He was He wasn't even a real colonel,
Speaker 2: and somehow he latched onto Elvis and I talked to
Speaker 2: the book that was almost faded, because you know, you've
Speaker 2: got an alchemy, you've got hermes, that power, that creative
Speaker 2: knotty power. But then you've got Saturn numbers and boundaries
Speaker 2: and all that, and they were perfect or even in
Speaker 2: Steiner with Araman and Lucifer got Lucifer the creative power,
Speaker 2: and then you've got Araman the numbers of boundaries. When
Speaker 2: you can get those together in the balance, anything's possible,
Speaker 2: just like the androgine. If we can get your male
Speaker 2: and female energies right as the ancient said, you are godlike.
Speaker 2: So those two work together. And that's the story. That's
Speaker 2: one of the theories that Elvis never toured because Parker
Speaker 2: would have have he would have gotten uh yeah, he
Speaker 2: would have gotten thrown in an El Salvador in prison.
Speaker 2: No well back then, who knows what it would have been.
Speaker 2: He would have been kicked out. But the problem too
Speaker 2: is I don't know about that because he did go
Speaker 2: to Canada in the fifties to tour. And remember Elvis
Speaker 2: was in the army for two years, and Parker had
Speaker 2: no problem staying in the United States, you know, crunching numbers,
Speaker 2: making deals. So I don't think. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you would have had a problem with Elvis touring, but
Speaker 2: I guess you would have had to explain to Elvis,
Speaker 2: because that's a secret even Elvis never found out about.
Speaker 2: You know, that's something happened in the late seventies when
Speaker 2: people finally discovered who Parker was. And it's still a
Speaker 2: mystery what his background was. Possibly Austrian, No, he was Dutch, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and it was somewhere over there. Yeah, yeah, So I
Speaker 2: guess Austin Powers would have been furious, right, evil Dutch.
Speaker 2: We see.
Speaker 8: Maybe it was his handler, was the handler Power, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: but he.
Speaker 2: Was something else. I mean, it's it is true. This guy,
Speaker 2: I mean, Elvis made four billion dollars from nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: five to nineteen think about that inflation. I mean, Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift and he did. He that's money they couldn't make.
Speaker 2: He probably made that's like twenty billion dollars today. And Elvis,
Speaker 2: of course just blew it, blew it, blew it. He
Speaker 2: never invested, never, he just Parker made twenty percent of that,
Speaker 2: and Parker died penniless because he was such a gambling freak.
Speaker 2: I mean both, It's like they both had they both
Speaker 2: just fell apart at the end.
Speaker 7: Perhaps a good magical lesson for why you should not
Speaker 7: pursue that path of hod after forty.
Speaker 6: A little magic joke.
Speaker 8: Are you saying that Elvis was a washed up loser?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 6: But it really, Uh, this is something I've been thinking
Speaker 6: about a lot, Juliet.
Speaker 7: Is like magic's really about archetypes, like a large part,
Speaker 7: Like even look at above you right now, the way
Speaker 7: Nick Cat even has it set up. It's like I'm
Speaker 7: between two polarities. So it's a lot about like how
Speaker 7: we arranged you mean, you know this, how we arrange
Speaker 7: universe around us. So, but your most powerful tools, the
Speaker 7: way you live your life, like the ritual that you embody.
Speaker 7: So right, So if Elvis is passing the point of
Speaker 7: being a prince archetype, then he should. The idea is
Speaker 7: that you would gracefully transition into one of the other
Speaker 7: male archetypes on the tree. But if you're very comfortable
Speaker 7: in the suffer, and this often happens to male magicians.
Speaker 7: They get very comfortable in the because we're denser than women.
Speaker 7: It's a it's not a slight against men. It's just
Speaker 7: like a a kind of it's a Buddhist joke, but
Speaker 7: it's it's also true in a way because women can
Speaker 7: get pregnant, so they have negative space, right, so they're
Speaker 7: considered less sense, that's really the idea.
Speaker 6: So a man should.
Speaker 7: Transition, but it's harder for us. So if we've played
Speaker 7: the prince our whole life, we're always going to draw
Speaker 7: from that saffra. That's kind of my thinking. I don't know,
Speaker 7: maybe that's maybe mek Or and Miguel will crackt me,
Speaker 7: but that's sort of how I think of it. Sorry, Nick, No,
Speaker 7: I just want to say that that also explains like
Speaker 7: what Heidi said about him, like always needing, always searching out,
Speaker 7: and even the rumor that you brought up, it would
Speaker 7: make sense that because the polarity that he would need
Speaker 7: to balance him out would be like a daughter archetype.
Speaker 7: That doesn't mean someone too young, but maybe by our
Speaker 7: conventions in twenty twenty five, it would be like a
Speaker 7: southern like what he was thinking in like the sixties
Speaker 7: in the South is obviously very different than where we're thinking.
Speaker 7: So maybe sixteen he would like a younger girl, like
Speaker 7: some slightly androgynist perhaps, or like a Lisa Marie who's,
Speaker 7: as we discussed, very she has a Babylon energy. His
Speaker 7: daughter does well, the wife did when they thought together,
Speaker 7: she has that.
Speaker 2: You brought it up.
Speaker 7: There was such a great point we all agreed. The
Speaker 7: Tuesday Weld's like, that's the she's the kind of the
Speaker 7: dark princess to.
Speaker 6: Tuesday Weld like a queen of the stars. You could say.
Speaker 2: The one you want to watch is his granddaughter Riley Key.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have watched the movie
Speaker 2: Under the Silver Lake, probably one of the most esoteric
Speaker 2: movies I've seen. But she's she's a she's a very
Speaker 2: accomplished actress and very powerful.
Speaker 8: Does she sing or anything?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, she's mostly an actress. I
Speaker 2: mean she's been I think she was. Was she in
Speaker 2: Once upon a time in Hollywood? I think she was
Speaker 2: in it brief? Well?
Speaker 8: Really, Oh, that's interesting because that's about like the Manson stuff.
Speaker 8: And apparently Elvis uh made himself known around those parts. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean I I've always wondered about her just because
Speaker 8: of the Michael Jackson stuff and uh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 8: was it her son that killed himself or it was
Speaker 8: her son that killed her brother?
Speaker 2: Y in the curse.
Speaker 1: Was saying, then again, we've got one without the other,
Speaker 1: right back to the beginning.
Speaker 5: Right exactly.
Speaker 8: Maybe they're breaking generational curses. Maybe he was the last
Speaker 8: one and.
Speaker 2: Living through it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because then he was the one that carried it on.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like if she's in esoteric films and all
Speaker 1: these different things, it just depends on what past she's on.
Speaker 5: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: You do you know if Friley is into scientology? I
Speaker 4: am not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, I know Priscilla and
Speaker 2: Lisa Marie I think left before it was they did
Speaker 2: get out. I'm not sure. I hope once the books
Speaker 2: starts selling and then makes the rounds, I want, I
Speaker 2: do want to reach out to her and say, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 4: The reason I asked is something I actually learned from JJ,
Speaker 4: and I have noticed it myself now that she did
Speaker 4: a movie with Tofa Grace and I know he was
Speaker 4: in that seventies show and that was like pretty much
Speaker 4: like all scientology people. And I've noticed that a lot
Speaker 4: of silent scientology people tend to do movies with other
Speaker 4: Scientology people Under Under the Silver Under the Silver Lake.
Speaker 4: She was to for Grace was in that with her.
Speaker 4: So when I saw to for Grace, I thought of
Speaker 4: Scientology and I knew we were talking about Scientology. So
Speaker 4: that's why I just asked, because I just looked up
Speaker 4: the movie now because I was like, I never heard of.
Speaker 5: That, says.
Speaker 1: She quit Scientology as of twenty twenty three and is
Speaker 1: now just spiritually not affiliated with anyone, but she has
Speaker 1: some interesting tattoos about her.
Speaker 2: Brother independent Scientology, make sure of all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: look at the movies. She was in Mad Max, she
Speaker 2: was you guys got to watch Under the Sola.
Speaker 4: Yeah, check that out.
Speaker 2: Sasquatch Sunset. I don't know she played Sasquatch or he
Speaker 2: was in that movie. It was an Amazon where it's
Speaker 2: like a rip off of Fleetwood mag I forget what's
Speaker 2: the name of it. But yeah, she's been in a
Speaker 2: lot of movies. I'm just looking over here.
Speaker 4: Uh, was there anything else that anybody wanted to ask
Speaker 4: before we wrap it up?
Speaker 5: Interesting?
Speaker 6: Oh sorry, hide me instructure.
Speaker 7: I'll just say I do think that the badge thing
Speaker 7: was interesting from a magical perspective. You could consider like
Speaker 7: badges to have a kind of coubalistic or Masonic, which
Speaker 7: is obviously also kabbala, just in a different, slightly different
Speaker 7: maybe context. But yeah, so if you had the collection
Speaker 7: of badges, you could also like that the collection of
Speaker 7: degrees like matt order degrees.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 9: Police widow sons too, Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 5: There's no help for the widows JJ.
Speaker 4: Sorry that is that another moment thing too?
Speaker 5: Yes, it's Mormon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said us the last words of Joseph's Steah,
Speaker 1: it really was allegedly really wait what was it?
Speaker 8: What was his last words?
Speaker 1: It's a Masonic cry for help? It's is there no
Speaker 1: help for the widow's son? And he was a Mason.
Speaker 1: But also he was screwing everybody's wife, so they were kind.
Speaker 13: Of uh.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but apparently so was Elvis. Right, he was screwing
Speaker 8: everybody's wife and more of your times.
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Wow, I wonder I have I have a question. I wonder,
Speaker 3: uh you mentioned the non touch healing.
Speaker 2: That again.
Speaker 3: Now, actually I want I bet all of us have
Speaker 3: experienced reiki at least here, right, that's a common non
Speaker 3: touch healing practice. I wonder what, what is the one
Speaker 3: of the more striking experiences of maybe the non touch
Speaker 3: healing or just in general of his telepathic powers were
Speaker 3: one of those stories that were really striking.
Speaker 2: God, there's so many, yeah, I mean, he was able
Speaker 2: to manipulate weather, he could make objects move again, astral travel,
Speaker 2: stories of him creating force fields. God, there's so many.
Speaker 2: But the healing was very important to him because of
Speaker 2: where he came from. So he was just a healing freak,
Speaker 2: and it was mostly The blue light is very important
Speaker 2: throughout the book. When Elvis was born, his father went
Speaker 2: outside to have a cigarette and this blue alien light
Speaker 2: appeared over the house and froze all sound and the
Speaker 2: wind stopped and Vernon, his father freaked out he was
Speaker 2: having a cigarette, ran in while Gladys was it was
Speaker 2: in labor. So the blue light followed. And you see
Speaker 2: that all through Elvis's life, you know, you see blue
Speaker 2: and so many of his songs, his biggest hits were
Speaker 2: like Blue Hawa in Gi Blues, The day he died,
Speaker 2: he was wearing blue pajamas. Oh this blue light. I
Speaker 2: show him the book as blue is everywhere. When he healed,
Speaker 2: he would always imagine a blue light. And I've done
Speaker 2: shows with like James True on the blue Light. You know,
Speaker 2: humans only discovered the blue light a few thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: and people with blue eyes are freaks. We only appeared
Speaker 2: later in history because of some catassium. Yeah yeah, green too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'd have to put green too, but blue was important.
Speaker 2: So he was a healing beast. I mean, Priscilla says
Speaker 2: he could heal her headaches at a touch. He could
Speaker 2: heal people's hurt. Backs did, and then sometimes they were
Speaker 2: just incredible. Like one time they were in Colorado snowboarding
Speaker 2: and they're having fun and one a person is an
Speaker 2: entourage hits a pole, breaks his leg and they're all
Speaker 2: freaking out. We got to take him to the hospital.
Speaker 2: I was like, pushes him back, like I don't have
Speaker 2: time for this, puts his hands on his legs and
Speaker 2: heals his broken leg. There was another time where he's
Speaker 2: driving around in his limo and Memphis and he sees
Speaker 2: a bus over the sidewalk and the drivers outside like
Speaker 2: grabbing his chest having a heart attack, and Elvis goes
Speaker 2: up to him, puts his hands, You're gonna be all right,
Speaker 2: and he does, you know again the blue light healing
Speaker 2: and heals him from his heart attack. He could heal
Speaker 2: a friend of his, this child had a really bad fever. Elvis,
Speaker 2: like Russis, leaves his house, goes to his friend's house
Speaker 2: and puts his hand on the kid and the fever breaks.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the instances are baffling, and they're
Speaker 2: a lot, and they're incredible. And again, there were always
Speaker 2: eye witnesses there. There was you know, two or three
Speaker 2: people present when Elvis was doing his power. But he
Speaker 2: couldn't heal himself. Again, he just couldn't. He did use
Speaker 2: certain technique, like once he had a sore throat and
Speaker 2: he used some theosophical Alice Bailey's spell and he was
Speaker 2: able to heal his throat and this and that. But
Speaker 2: for the most part, yeah, he did it for other people.
Speaker 8: That's the kind of guy you want to have around geez.
Speaker 2: That's sure.
Speaker 5: They're usually a hot mess though, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: He cured a hangover. So after Saturday Night Wonders.
Speaker 8: Terrific guy, I'm on board not.
Speaker 4: To get into it too much because we all wrapping
Speaker 4: it up, but I would even think we go. Haven't
Speaker 4: you even noticed sometimes some sort of blue light experience
Speaker 4: even amongst occultist stories.
Speaker 2: Very predominant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you will hear about that every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and UFO encounters. Yeah, mine is always on the ship.
Speaker 2: Whitley streamer talks about when the visitors come, a blue
Speaker 2: light would appear, so he ends, I'm doing the research,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, this blue thing is all
Speaker 2: over the place. And occultism, yourthology, mysticism, Krishna was blue.
Speaker 2: You just see it everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something interesting with that. But uh, thank you well
Speaker 4: again for coming on. That was really interesting talk. That
Speaker 4: was amazing, Miguel. I appreciate it real quick, Miguel. Let
Speaker 4: everybody know where they can find your stuff and whatever
Speaker 4: you want to plug.
Speaker 2: Please sure, sure, yeah, and thanks for great questions. Guys,
Speaker 2: you did a great job. I really appreciate it. Good
Speaker 2: convo right now. I would send people to just Miguel
Speaker 2: Connor dot com my name because you go to the
Speaker 2: website and it's like two roads. One is the am
Speaker 2: bite my gnostics stuff the other one is my substack,
Speaker 2: Elvis Books all that. So send people to Miguel Connor
Speaker 2: dot com and decide where you want to go and
Speaker 2: subscribe to my substack, order the book online, or look
Speaker 2: at all my social media. So that's the place to go.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, my man. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Everybody else I'll you know, you can check their stuff out.
Speaker 4: Their links are in the bottom. Yeah. That is the
Speaker 4: end of another occult Rejects and until the next one,
Speaker 4: everybody be well.
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