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It's about eleven minutes past the hour of 38 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.640 two o'clock. It is a gorgeous day, man, beautiful day outside, 39 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:45.799 about fifty three degrees and sunny here in downtown Salt 40 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:49.200 Lake City, Utah. And as it is every single day, 41 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.359 it's gonna have you along for the rise. Spence Jackets 42 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:54.959 found the mic. That's Quarter Larsen behind the glass today 43 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:56.040 producing the program. 44 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.159 We've got a little bit of a short show today. 45 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:02.599 We'll say good night out about four forty as opposed 46 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:05.519 to six o'clock when we usually bid you a good 47 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:10.639 evening for Utah Women's basketball Utah at Northwest during this evening. 48 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.520 We had Lynn Roberts on the show this week to 49 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.599 preview that game and talk a little Utah women's hoops, 50 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.879 So stay tuned for that. But in between now and then, 51 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.120 we have a lot to do on the show. Week eleven, 52 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.000 Pro football gets rolling tonight. Typically you'd hear that game 53 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.479 on our radio station, but Utah women's basketball will be 54 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.360 on the station tonight as opposed to the Commanders and 55 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.240 the Eagles live in Philly at Lincoln Financial Field. The 56 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.400 Eagles are a four point favorite this evening. So some 57 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:42.879 Thursday night football for you guys. Utah Jazz are in 58 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.520 action this evening. They're taking on the Dallas Mavericks at 59 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:48.759 the Delta Center. That's gonna be a seven o'clock tip time. 60 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:52.520 It's on NBA TV. I'm not sure what the streaming 61 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:55.159 situation is. These days with jazz basketball. I watch it 62 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.400 on k Jazz, but a little jazz basketball lit NBA 63 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:03.000 on the show today. The NBA up rolls along, sold 64 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.319 you some jazz and some MBA on the show today. 65 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.080 Of course, we are high speed ahead to the weekend 66 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:10.879 in college football that includes a couple of really big 67 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:15.759 games on the local level with BYU welcoming in Kansas 68 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.680 to Lavelle Edwards Stadium for a late kick on Saturday night. 69 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:21.159 That's going to be an eight to fifteen kick. It 70 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:25.400 is on ESPN, and this has been an interesting line 71 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.439 to follow. It's been an interesting game to kind of 72 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.159 prepare for. It's off oscillated a little bit. It's settled 73 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:33.319 in at two point five as of right now. BYU 74 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:37.639 a very slight favorite at home, and right now the 75 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:42.000 game time forecast is about thirty two degrees, so it's 76 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.960 going to be called down in Provo for the first 77 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.159 situation for Kansas actually played BYU and Provo. 78 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:49.280 It's never happened before. 79 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.759 So that's a big game, as we've talked about, with 80 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.319 BYU moving up to six, and the CFP Utah hits 81 00:03:56.400 --> 00:04:00.199 the road in Boulder for an early game to be 82 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.639 ten o'clock Mountain time on Saturday, and that line has 83 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.240 stayed at eleven point five for about twenty four hours. 84 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.000 Looks like it's gonna be a nice day in Boulder, 85 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.680 about forty eight degrees in sunny for kickoff at ten 86 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:14.960 a m. Pregame coverage for that game on our station 87 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.240 will be in at six am with Porter Larsen and 88 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:21.160 Jordan win Bright and early on a Saturday morning. 89 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:22.920 So college football. 90 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:25.399 Almost here for the weekend and only a few games 91 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.639 left man, and then the season will be behind us 92 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:29.199 in the. 93 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:30.279 World of college football. 94 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.360 Nice win for the Utah Hockey Club last night, in fact, 95 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.240 one of probably the best wins they've had all year, 96 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:41.079 bouncing back beating a really good Carolina Hurricanes team for one. 97 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.519 They're back in action tomorrow, taking on the Vegas Golden 98 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:45.680 Knights at the Delta Center. 99 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:46.720 They'll be here in Salt Lake. 100 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:48.879 So a little hockey on the show today, a little 101 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.279 bit of everything on the show today. Interesting article in 102 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:57.639 The Athletic about adults complaining about officiating. Yeah, our guy 103 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.959 Mark Carlin's taking it this week. Man, it seems like 104 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.480 every day that kind of passes somebody else to write 105 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.279 a piece on it. And so we'll get to some 106 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.279 of that on the program today as well, the latest 107 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.759 on the transfer portal for Utah football, the latest on 108 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.720 the help of the roster of Utah football, and we'll 109 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.360 kind of move in that direction on a Thursday with 110 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.360 a good guest list we'll start with a voice himself, 111 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:20.959 Bill Riley. 112 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.759 Joins us as our first guest. 113 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.319 Coming up in just about fifteen minutes from right now, 114 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.319 we'll catch up with the Ryles Big Show. Big Hour, 115 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.079 brought to you by our friends at Big O' Tires, 116 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:33.240 features Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Montsen live in studio 117 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.439 for some jazz and some college football. Our buddy Aaron 118 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.279 Falk from the Salt Lake Tribune rolls by, coming up 119 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.399 just after four o'clock today, and then we'll say good nights. Yeah, 120 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.079 just about four forty for Utah women's basketball as they 121 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.120 take on Northwestern. So Bill Riley, Craig Bowlerjack, Gordon Mounts, 122 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:50.959 and Aaron Falk, Me Spence check, ats all of you, 123 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.040 the great listeners. Happy Thursday to you, almost to the weekend. 124 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.959 That young man, his name Porter Larson. He produces this 125 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:01.360 show on a Thursday afternoon. All right, I was talking 126 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.399 to Sean during cross Talk about you know, and look, 127 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:06.959 there have been players that have a couple of players 128 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.160 have already left the program. 129 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:09.319 Jalen Glover Pittman. 130 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.839 You know, obviously there are rumors about the health of 131 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:14.519 certain players. 132 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:15.720 We know the Brandon's out for the year. 133 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.160 It seems like there's this underlying fear that down the 134 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.519 stretch we go, there's gonna be some mass exodus for 135 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:26.120 Utah football. This feels a little bit like unchartered territory. 136 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:27.480 I mean, I don't know how many times I think 137 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.720 coach Wood has only lost four straight games three or 138 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:31.319 four times in his whole career. I'm not sure how 139 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.199 many times he's lost five straight. You combine that with 140 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.240 the massive expectation, it just feels like there are a 141 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.480 lot of people in the community right now worried about, 142 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.759 you know, what the rest of the regular season will 143 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:45.000 look like for Utah football. 144 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:46.639 Are you getting that sense at all? 145 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.040 Do you feel like this is a team that with 146 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.439 three games left, understands they can still go bowling and 147 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:54.040 play for the pride of the jersey they wear. Do 148 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:55.959 you think we're going to see a motivated Utah football 149 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:56.879 team the rest of the way. 150 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:01.319 Well, I think that, as is the case with every story, 151 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.399 there's truth kind of in the middle there. Right, this 152 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:11.279 is a team that is going to see attrition both 153 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.439 through the end of the regular season and at the 154 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.560 transfer portal opening. That's just the reality not only of 155 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.560 this Utah football team, but of college football as a whole. 156 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:24.519 It's something that you're gonna have to get used to. 157 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.399 Whether you cheer for Utah, whether you cheer for BYU, 158 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.959 Utah State, whoever it may be. The transfer portal is 159 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.560 remaining a very big thing in college football until we 160 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:39.000 see landscape shifting changes in the way that that is approached. 161 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.720 So yeah, I mean, you're going to see players that 162 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.720 post Instagram, thank you Utah, thank you coach Wit for everything, 163 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.600 for the opportunities, but I'm going to be taking my 164 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.480 talents elsewhere. You're going to see numerous posts like that 165 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.920 when the transfer portal opens up. In addition to the 166 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.560 ones you've already seen, you're going to see probably a 167 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:59.600 couple more injury announcements, and you're going to see a 168 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:04.160 team that is completely decimated in that regard. But I 169 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:08.199 still think based on how they played against BYU, which 170 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.680 although the result wasn't positive. I think was really really 171 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.279 energized and physical and motivated. I think they continue that 172 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:19.439 at least the guys that you do see on the field, 173 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.079 and yeah, they'll probably be a collective of guys that 174 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.399 aren't that motivated. They're they're probably not going to see 175 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.360 the sideline because Kyle Whittingh is pretty good at sniffing 176 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.040 that stuff out. So a little bit of both in 177 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:34.039 that regard spences as we near the end of the season. 178 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:39.240 Hopefully it's an attrition that isn't detrimental to the point 179 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.799 where we don't get some quality football to end the year. 180 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.000 Three games left to get too if you want to 181 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.360 go bowling, So we'll talk to you Top Football as 182 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.879 they hit the road to take on Colorado today. Bill 183 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.720 Riley will join us right out of the gates. He's 184 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.200 our first guest on a Thursday. Butts before we get 185 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.559 to Bill, courtesy of our friends and Standard Restaurants, apply 186 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.639 your tailgate headquarters get everything you need to make your 187 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:01.960 tail game epics. 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Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred 197 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:29.799 Southwest Temple. 198 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.320 Good piece today in the Athletic one of my favorite spots. 199 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:34.559 You know. 200 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.759 We talked to c K yesterday Chris Camaradie Liven Studio 201 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.080 about the old school approach of getting news where you 202 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.639 actually just went to the source instead of logging onto 203 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.200 your favorite social media outled and clicking on links that 204 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.799 are algorithmically I think that's a word if it's not 205 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.200 just roll with me fed to you as a result 206 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:54.879 of what you consume or what they think you'll like. 207 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.279 So Athletics kind of a one stop shop for me 208 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.080 in the morning. And Ralph Russo, who I like a 209 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:00.840 lot we've had on the show before with a good 210 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.960 piece today. The headline is as public criticism of college 211 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.399 football refs heats up, it's on the people in charge 212 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:10.960 to stay cool. And the first example that he points 213 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.039 out is, of course what happened Saturday night when Utah left, 214 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.440 Director Mark Carlin took to the podium and didn't need to, 215 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:21.440 but decided to really go at the officials. And obviously 216 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.840 we know how the Big Twelve responded. The first sentence 217 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:26.200 in the piece is UTA Athletic Director Mark Carlin should 218 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.120 know better. But as the piece kind of rolls along, 219 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:34.720 talks about Kirby Smart complaining about the refs after their win. 220 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:36.879 They actually won the game and Kirby was still mad 221 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:42.480 about the rescinded pass interference penalty October against Texas, and 222 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:47.039 a myriad of other examples, including Kennya Matalolo, who at 223 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:49.240 one point was thought to be potentially the next head 224 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.919 coach of Brigham Young before Kalani got the job. He's 225 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:56.679 now with San Jose State, Texas Tech Joey McGuire. There 226 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.759 are seven or eight different examples in Ralph's Peace of 227 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.000 coaches and administrators just cracking on officials. And look, if 228 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:06.639 you've listened to the show for a long time, you 229 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:08.600 know that I'm not going to do a segment standing 230 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:11.600 up for refs like I'm not a pro ref guy. 231 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.879 I don't understand why anybody would want to do that job. 232 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.679 But oftentimes I do feel like they take the brunt 233 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.799 of the criticism and the heat, and sometimes it's really 234 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:22.840 out of bounds and very unfair. These are people too, 235 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.919 that sometimes aren't very good at their jobs, just like 236 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:29.519 sometimes coaches make bad play calls or have bad rotations, 237 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.840 just like players drop passes or mis tackles, Officials miss calls. 238 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.919 And I'm very rarely blamed the rest for a lost guy, 239 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:37.799 and I haven't been a blame the rest for the 240 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.840 loss last Saturday. I do think that call deserves context 241 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.440 and nuance when being talked about. It's not black or white, 242 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:46.679 it's not I think Joel Klatt probably had the best 243 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.679 breakdown of his opinion of the holding call last week 244 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.080 in a vacuum letter of the law. Yes, that's a hold, 245 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.279 and for BYU fans, that's all you need, and I've 246 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.600 heard all of them all week long, like, yes, but 247 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.440 that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're looking for 248 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.360 as a coach or a player when it comes to 249 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.679 the way the game is called. All you want is consistency, 250 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.039 and you could essentially call that call pretty much every 251 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.600 single play on one player or the other. I'm not 252 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.360 debating the fact that black or white, in a vacuum 253 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:19.360 letter of the law, that's the right call. We've all 254 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:22.120 seen the replays, We've all seen the BYU bros. With 255 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.679 a bunch of videos explaining exactly how it went down. 256 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:27.600 And I'm not debating that. 257 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.080 But I do think there's merit to the side of 258 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.279 the Utah coaching staff and administrators that were frustrated with 259 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.879 that type of call in that moment that, according to 260 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:39.440 you know, the people involved in the game didn't think 261 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.440 they were getting all game long. I get it, I 262 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.240 get the frustration, I get the anger, But when it 263 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:47.879 comes to, you know, the way that the I guess 264 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.960 I'll just say the governing bodies and call in charge 265 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.440 of officiating college football. I think it's probably time to 266 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.120 take this out of the hands of the conferences. And 267 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.559 I don't really know what the answer is. Maybe just 268 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.080 utilize one governing body that's separate from the NCAA, that's 269 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.600 separate from any conference, like do away with the whole 270 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.519 because you know, if you guys are Utah football fans. 271 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.000 You know the deal. For years, what did we hear 272 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:12.200 about PAC twelve refs? 273 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.200 It was always PAC twelve refs, Pack twelve refs, this, 274 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:19.240 PAC twelve refs that. And if you're tied to a 275 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:23.440 conference and that officiating crew is assigned to a game, 276 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.759 and will use just a Big twelve as an example. 277 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:29.919 If it's a you know, it's a CFP game and 278 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:34.240 BYU is hosting Ohio State or something along the lines, 279 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:38.159 it's just a hypothetical and Big twelve refs are assigned 280 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:42.759 to that game and BYU get some fortunate advantageous calls 281 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:46.320 and ends up beating Ohio State. The rallying cry always 282 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.200 as well, the Big twelve refs. You know they had 283 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.320 a hand in this because they're employed by the conference, right, 284 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.279 and so just one governing body, separate from any conference, 285 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:00.159 separate from college football, and just allow the refs to 286 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:04.399 be in one union with one governing body, And therefore 287 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.559 you take away the accusations of collusion, and you take 288 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.879 away the language and the verbiage like it was stolen 289 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:15.120 from us. Because ultimately, as Ralph points out in his Peace, 290 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.759 what happens here when it's the grown ups deciding to 291 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.200 air their aggrievances about the officiating, they're doing the kids 292 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.240 a disservice that play for the program, and the messaging 293 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.320 will seep into the fan base whether you lack it 294 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:29.879 or not, so it's worth your time. 295 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:30.480 Check it out. 296 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:33.440 It is up at the Athletic Ralph Russo wrote it 297 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:38.639 today about this kind of permeating thing all season long 298 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:40.559 in college football where a lot of people are out 299 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.559 at the refs and it really is coming mostly from 300 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.759 the grown ups, the coaches and the administrators. All Right, 301 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.799 we say goodnight a little early today in time for 302 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.039 Utah women's basketball. They're on the road taking on Northwestern. 303 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.840 We had Lynn Roberts on the show this week to 304 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:55.759 get you ready for that game. 305 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.320 We'll say a night about four forty. 306 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.720 But batting lead off on a Thursday afternoon, the Voice, 307 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.279 the Voice himself, the Voice of the Utes, Bill Riley 308 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.639 on a Thursday roles, Happy Thursday, man, How are you doing? 309 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:09.320 Spen's doing great? Are you doing that? 310 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:11.399 I'm well, I'm well. So I just need you to 311 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:12.320 clear up you. 312 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:15.639 You clearly intentionally made Sean do the coach the show 313 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:17.120 after that loss this week, didn't you. 314 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.039 That was an intentional move on you? Right? 315 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.480 I was hoping I could clone myself but basketball instead. 316 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.799 But yes, I thought Sean. I thought it would be 317 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.120 a good way for Sean to you get some good 318 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:30.120 content for your show. 319 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.600 No, I like it, obviously I could, but it's been 320 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:34.279 been a rough week up on the hill. 321 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:34.559 Bill. 322 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.559 I wondered, just from a thirty thousand foot view, what 323 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.120 it's like in the building, what it's been like in 324 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:41.679 the building this week, and how you feel like the 325 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.799 guys are holding up well. 326 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:44.399 I haven't been. 327 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.720 Around the team a ton, but I think you know 328 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.120 they're doing the best they can this week. I mean, 329 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.240 it's just it's one of most things, Spence, the hits 330 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:54.679 just keep on coming. You lose brand Keithy, you lose 331 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.960 Brandon Rose. Brandon Rose. We find out today is pump 332 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.000 with a social media for me to post up that 333 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.159 you know he set with the Liz Frank's Spring in 334 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.639 the second quarter. I've gotten cramps in my foot before 335 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.240 from not having enough potassium and you wake up in 336 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.039 the middle of the night and you're dying. I can't 337 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:16.519 imagine what kind of pain that kid was in and 338 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:20.799 to cut that out Saturday was pretty spectacular. But it's 339 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:21.480 it's tough. 340 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:22.960 I mean again, we did. 341 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.000 It's kind of a common theme every week we talk 342 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.879 it's another injury, it's another loss. It's not the season 343 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.080 Utah expected. But you know, you put your head down, 344 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.720 you put your nose down. I mean, Whittingham's been here before, 345 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.080 He's not been through five losses in a row before. 346 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.799 But trying to snap that striegu But it's just I mean, 347 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:41.799 at this point in time, you just kind of scratch 348 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:44.440 your head and say it wasn't meant to be this 349 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.120 year because the injury told when everything else are just 350 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:48.559 it's just unbelievable. 351 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.480 So you know, it is Thursday, and ultimately we try 352 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.000 to move forward and we'll get to Colorado on a moment, 353 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:57.759 but I haven't had a chance to catch up with you, 354 00:16:57.799 --> 00:16:59.600 so we're gonna stay in the space of last Saturday 355 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:01.799 for a minute at Riles, And I just got to 356 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:03.639 ask you about the call, you know, the holding call. 357 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.000 It's been debated, it's been discussed, We've talked about it 358 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.839 all week, and it cannot be summarized with one reductive statement. 359 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.559 Now BYU fans will say letter of the law, that's 360 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:16.640 a hole and that's all they need. Okay, that's fine, 361 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:20.400 and that's not necessarily wrong. But I completely understand the 362 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:24.960 frustration on the side of Utah coaches and apparently administrators, 363 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:26.960 as was made clear after the game, But how did 364 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.559 you kind of digest that moment when it went down 365 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.319 and now it's four or five days later, where you 366 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:32.799 at with it? 367 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.279 Well, here's what I'll say. You know, there's no black 368 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.960 and white here. You know, in all of sports spence, 369 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:47.000 whether you're talking about basketball or baseball, or soccer or football, 370 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.480 you as an athlete based the way you play on 371 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:56.359 how officials officiated game. And one of the common demes 372 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:58.279 Scott and I have had on broadcast this year, it's 373 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:03.359 been amazing the amount of physicality the Big twelve allows 374 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.000 on the outside. It's a one to eighty from where 375 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.200 you saw in the Pac twelve. If you looked at 376 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.240 a at a wide receiver wrong, they were throwing a 377 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.240 flag on you. It's been a very physical season compared 378 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.920 to what Utah has played in and that's fine. If 379 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:19.599 that's the way you play, that's the way you play. 380 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.519 It's no different than when I would talk to Jason 381 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.319 christ or Pablo Mascroini over the years. You know, you 382 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.480 talk about a referee in the way that they would 383 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:28.960 call games and cards and things, They're like, hey, we 384 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.200 just want to know that how you're calling the game 385 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:34.160 in the first five minutes, that's how we set our 386 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.559 tone for the game. And it's the same thing in basketball, 387 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.440 which you played at a high level, you know how 388 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:41.640 officials are going to call the game. It's no different 389 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.319 in football. Well, that's how the game has been played 390 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:46.759 called all year long. It's been called physically. It's not 391 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.440 been called physical, it's been physicality has been allowed, and 392 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:51.160 it was allowed in that game the other night, both 393 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:55.279 ways Utah and BYU. So to see that play was 394 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.039 their contact. Absolutely there was contact, but it wasn't egregious contact. 395 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.920 And to echo what Rick Neuheisel said the other day 396 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.839 with ken Zano and Wilner, it's almost as if you're 397 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:11.359 looking for that to make a call and to use 398 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.119 in another analogy i'd heard, I think Joel Klatt used 399 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.359 this week, which I think is a great one. In baseball, 400 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.720 at the strike zone, you set up the way you're 401 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.039 going to hit based on how the umpire's calling the 402 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.759 strikes and balls. And I just think the way that 403 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:26.119 the game had been called, the way the season's been called, 404 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.519 that wasn't a flag that was thrown many, if any 405 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:33.880 times this year. So but with that being said, Utah 406 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.279 had opportunities. You didn't score a point in the second half. 407 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:39.759 You had the ball at the fifty yard line twice 408 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:41.960 late and weren't able to either move the ball or 409 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.640 get into field goal range. So there's two ways to 410 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:48.319 look at it. But I think the call itself was 411 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:52.559 a little off based on how the game had been 412 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:53.400 called this year. 413 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:56.599 And especially in that moment, you know, and it really 414 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.359 is valid to bring up the fact that Jake Retz 415 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:01.319 left wasn't even looking in that direction and he was 416 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.000 basically in Karen's hands. I mean, it's a tough thing 417 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:08.039 to swallow, for sure, but I want to move over 418 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.079 Ryles because you know, was at the game, fun watching 419 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:14.119 on the sidelines with Sean A. Bunchak's hute players, stayed 420 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.480 for the whole thing afterwards, talked to some people from 421 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:19.039 both sides, and then I'm walking home. I think it 422 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.279 was close to two am, and maybe a little bit earlier, 423 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.480 but my phone just blows up and it's like, you, 424 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:27.279 did you hear what Mark Carlin just said. 425 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:28.759 I'm like, no, I'm on my way home. 426 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:31.200 So my buddy sends me a link to the social 427 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.640 media post of the video, and when I heard it, 428 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.839 I just went, oh, no, Like I thought he was 429 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.319 going to be in so much trouble Brett Yormark Northeast 430 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.279 sleeping with the Fishes Commissioner Big twelve. When I heard 431 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.559 it was forty K and a public reprimand I actually 432 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.240 was a little bit relieved for Mark, because my experience 433 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:49.759 with Mark Carlin is that he's smart, he's measured, he 434 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:51.599 doesn't I don't know the man. 435 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:53.079 He's not a great friend. 436 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:54.880 Of mine, but I've interviewed him probably fifty times, and 437 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:56.680 every time I'm at a game, we chat, and it 438 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.039 just seemed a little bit out of character. So I 439 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:01.960 just wondered how you digested that moment and ultimately what 440 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:03.079 you think the motivation was. 441 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.279 Well, I just think it was the emotion of the moment. 442 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:09.480 I mean, that's that's really what it was feeling, not 443 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:11.400 only the emotion of the moment, but the emotion of 444 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:14.880 the season, you know, and seeing how hard the guys 445 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.880 played and seeing leaving it all out there, considering they 446 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:20.279 had lost four games in a row. I just kind 447 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:22.359 of I kind of saw it as an emotional moment. 448 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:23.279 Yeah, for sure. 449 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.079 And you know, ultimately My guess is he'd like a mulligan, 450 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.240 And believe me, I would like seventy five thousand mulligans 451 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.240 for the way I've I've handled certain situations. So life 452 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:36.440 goes on, and you know, he doesn't deserve to get 453 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.160 hit over the head with it on a daily basis. 454 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:39.720 But a lot of people have been talking about it 455 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:43.000 locally and nationally. All right, excuse me, here's a simple 456 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:48.160 question with a nuanced answer. How good is byu? 457 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:49.599 Bill? How good are they? 458 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:53.400 I continue to say it's Spence that is a good 459 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.960 football team. They are a good football team that again 460 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:04.480 doesn't beat themselves, opportunistic when opportunities present themselves. And I 461 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.359 will say this, they are a team that's pretty resilient too. 462 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:13.119 I mean, let's be honest. The game didn't end on 463 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:17.640 the holding call. They got ten yards, They still had 464 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:21.160 to make plays, they still had to get themselves into 465 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:24.359 field goal range. And again I say it all the time, 466 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.680 when you're a good team and you don't beat yourself, 467 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.640 sometimes bounces come your way. You know, I'm not sure 468 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:33.599 that that but I've never heard definitively, but I'm not 469 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:36.480 sure that ball was intended for Chase Roberts I think 470 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.359 that ball was sailed, and I think it was partially tipped, 471 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:41.880 and I don't think he was he was gunning for Chase, 472 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.519 but Chase Roberts was in the right place at the 473 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.079 right time and made a heck of a grab near midfield. 474 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:49.720 I just think that this is a good football team. 475 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.759 Are they beatable? Yes, they are. They are beatable. Kansas 476 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:55.960 is very talented. If they played the way they played 477 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000 last week against Iowa State, they could they could probably 478 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.559 win that game. But at the end of the day, 479 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:05.799 I just I think they're a good football team that 480 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:08.880 doesn't beat themselves. I don't know how good they are Spence, 481 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.519 but they're good enough. And they're undefeated through nine games 482 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.319 in a conference that's seen a lot of chaos. They've 483 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.599 been the one team that's avoided the chaos. 484 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:18.880 Yep, yeah, for sure. 485 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.720 All right, excuse me, So, Micah Pittman takes off Jalen 486 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.960 Glovers and the transfer portal, and as you referenced earlier, 487 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.279 this is this is uncharted territory for Utah football under 488 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:32.880 Kyle Whittingham. And it's not just five straight losses. It's 489 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:38.799 five straight losses combined with the preseason expectations that everybody, 490 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.279 not just us, this was not a homer take. I 491 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:44.960 mean Vegas, the media locally and nationally, everybody thought if 492 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:47.359 Utah didn't win the Big Twelve, they'd be right there 493 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.720 in the end. So I know there's kind of like 494 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.240 this underlying fear across the community that maybe there's gonna 495 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:55.799 be some mass exo this and guys who are just 496 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.839 gonna quit on the team. I can't collaborate that, but 497 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.599 we have seen not just in injuries, but not players leaving. 498 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.440 What are your thoughts on just kind of what we'll 499 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.839 see from this team the rest of the way when 500 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:08.799 it comes to how committed they are to playing for 501 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:10.039 this program. 502 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.720 Well, I think you're going to see the guys that 503 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.319 want to be there play their butts off. I don't 504 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.960 know what happened to Jalen Glover. I'm sure he didn't 505 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.400 probably feel like he was getting the playing time that 506 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.480 he thought he should. I don't know, he hadn't got 507 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.960 the carries. It's been mostly you know, Mackay Bernard, a 508 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.720 little bit of Charlie Vincent and some others, Mike Mitchell, 509 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:35.039 but I you know, if you're staying around to play here, 510 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.279 the DNA of what Kyle witting in and you saw 511 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:41.640 Saturday night. Those guys played their tails off. It was 512 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.039 probably the best effort they had given all things considered, 513 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.640 all year long. It's going to be tough. They've lost 514 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:52.680 five games, but I would be very surprised if you 515 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.519 saw anything but great effort from the guys that stay 516 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.960 around Again. I don't know what Pittman's story ultimately was. 517 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.599 I know he put out a social media post. I 518 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.119 haven't talked to Jalen Glover or probably will I. He's 519 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.559 chosen to go someplace else. But I would be very 520 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.400 surprised if you didn't get a great effort Saturday in 521 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:11.839 the final two games from this team. 522 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.640 So as you reference, Brandon Rose out for the season 523 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.400 with an injury that happened early in the game, which 524 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.039 is surprising because he actually looked really, really good. And 525 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.079 so now it's Isaac under center, and now it's Colorado 526 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.960 on the road. They're an eleven point five point dog 527 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.079 bill as they head to Boulder. Let's just start on 528 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:33.559 the offensive side, because we know that look the defense, 529 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.880 and one of the things that we'll always look back 530 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.640 on this year is just an average offense probably puts 531 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.960 this team right in the mix for a conference championship 532 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.920 because the defense continues to be the defense were accustomed 533 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.119 to when it's Kyle and it's Morgan. So Isaac hunder center, 534 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.160 Colorado's the opponent offensively, what are you looking for just 535 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.119 kind of early on to indicate maybe they've got a 536 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:54.559 shot to put some points on the board. 537 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.599 Well, I mean, the good news is Isaac's got four 538 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:02.039 or five six games under his belt. He's played in 539 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:05.640 these games, so stepping up and playing is not going 540 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:07.559 to be a departure. There's not many guys you can 541 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:09.920 go through that would be your quote unquote third quarterback, 542 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:13.279 which technically he is second or third quarterback, but he's 543 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:16.880 got the experience. I don't think it's markedly different than 544 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.119 what we saw a week ago. Now we might have 545 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.039 an insight as to why the offense wasn't quite as 546 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.359 good in the second half. Now and we find out 547 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.519 that that, you know, Brandon Rose got hurt late in 548 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.359 the second quarter, that's according to what his mom said, 549 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.960 So maybe that changed some things up. I thought some 550 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.880 of the stuff they did in the first half was terrific. 551 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.039 Last week. One of those guys that was a big 552 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.200 part of it was bran Keithy. Well, bran Keithy's now 553 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.960 done too, But there's guys on the roster that have 554 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:45.480 you know, there's there's a resume. Landed King doesn't have 555 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.200 it this year, but he did last year. You know, 556 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.960 we've seen maybe we see a little bit more of 557 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.039 Caleb Lohner saw him at the basketball game the other 558 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.319 night and he was in pretty good spirits, so maybe 559 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.039 we see a little bit more of that. Dorian Singer 560 00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.240 still the most productive guy they've had in the past game, 561 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:01.960 so I don't think all his lost fense, But I 562 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.880 will say this Colorado's better defensively than they have been 563 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.759 in recent years. They're actually playing some pretty good defense, 564 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.079 So Utah is going to have to score some points 565 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.160 even if the defense plays really well. That's a good 566 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.519 offense on the other side, Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter 567 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.559 and Horn and that whole past game is really really good. 568 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.400 So as good as the effort was last week, you're 569 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.920 going to have to get a similar effort defensively, and 570 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.559 you're probably going to have to find a way to 571 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:31.839 score a little bit more than twenty one points on 572 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:33.559 the road against that Colorado offense. 573 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.279 Have you noticed anything specifically or you know, nuanced if 574 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:38.359 you want to get into it at all. 575 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.240 About Mike Bajakian as a play caller. 576 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:41.799 Now that we have a couple of, you know, three 577 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.559 games under our belts with him calling the plays as 578 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.000 opposed to Andy, is there any thing that stands out 579 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:48.920 that makes him a little bit different or unique with 580 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:49.920 his play calling style. 581 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:56.680 I haven't noticed a great departure from it. I thought 582 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.519 that they were doing a little bit of play action 583 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.240 last week that was allowing Brandon Rose to throw the 584 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:02.880 ball down the field a little bit more. But I 585 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.960 haven't noticed any any great departure in scheme. Maybe some 586 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.440 subtle things, but nothing's that really pops to me. 587 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:11.759 All right. 588 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.759 So you referenced Colorado and of course Shador, who a 589 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.480 lot of people think might be the you know, one 590 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.319 of the first players picked in the drafts of not 591 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.960 number one overall, and if he's not, it might be 592 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:25.599 his wide receiver Travis Hunter. But they've got four or 593 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.720 five wide receiver weapons. It's not just Travis Hunter that 594 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:31.279 are all big playmaking threats. 595 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.119 They don't run the ball very well because they don't 596 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:33.519 have to. 597 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.599 It's a lot of short, intermediate passes their offensive line 598 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.640 well improved, does allow pressure on the quarterback. As you've 599 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.359 gone through your prep, what do you most attribute to 600 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:44.480 a vastly. 601 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.680 Improved Colorado team? Coach by Deon Sanders. 602 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.039 I just think that they are doing a lot of 603 00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.559 what they did. I think he's still been sacked at 604 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:55.920 a pretty high rate spence, but not at the same 605 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.759 rate that he was a year ago. So I think 606 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:02.200 the offensive line is a little bit more improved. They 607 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.920 run it about the same that they did. But but 608 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.079 I think for me, it's not really a change of 609 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.119 what they've done offensively. But I think what I was 610 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.359 saying a minute ago, they're much better defensively, and they're 611 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.799 they're getting some stops, forcing some takeaways, some stuff like that. 612 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.039 Shador is still very very good. 613 00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.440 He just he simply is. He's very very good. 614 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:28.079 And the receivers are outstanding as well. Uh, slightly improved 615 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:32.119 offensive line play, but they're getting better play. And you know, 616 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.839 somebody has Dean about it miss press conference the other days, 617 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.799 like we turned the roster over, we've got we've got 618 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.000 better guys here now, he said, We've just you know, 619 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.119 we turned it over again and we've just got better guys. 620 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.119 They've just got high level transfers from a lot of programs. 621 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:46.359 They're doing good stuff for him. 622 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:48.599 I want to get a couple of basketball thoughts from you, 623 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:50.960 but before we do that, I have a Big twelve 624 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.039 just macro question, because you know b YU. Last week 625 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.720 CFP the first iteration of the CFP rankings they rolling 626 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.000 at nine. I thought that was damning and diving on 627 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.079 the Big twelve, and I thought that was a message 628 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.079 from the CFP committee that you are a one bid 629 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.240 league and whoever wins the championship game will get that bid. 630 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:10.000 Well. 631 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.480 BYU moves up three spots to six, And I do 632 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.640 think there's a world now that if they win their 633 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.720 final three games and we'll just operate off the hypothetical 634 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.759 that they're roll into Dallas and play a really good 635 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.400 Colorado team that maybe rolls in with one conference loss. 636 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.720 And I feel like if Colorado beats BYU and BYU 637 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.519 ends the season as a twelve to one second place 638 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.359 Big twelve team, I think it'd be really hard to 639 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.880 keep them out build. Do you feel like, as we 640 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.759 you know, kind of inch towards the end of the season, 641 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.440 this is going to be a one bid league, or 642 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:39.599 do you think they can sneak two in. 643 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.279 No, it's a one bid league. There's just not enough 644 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.519 quality wins for anybody. Like BYU has moved up a 645 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:48.440 little bit because there's been attrition in some of the 646 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.920 other leagues as well, and they're undefeated, and so I 647 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.160 think that it's a one bid league this year. I 648 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:59.960 just I don't really see a world unless maybe Colorado 649 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.799 runs the table and then maybe deeps BYU. I just 650 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.160 right now it appears to me to be of one 651 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.839 big league. I'm not sure that i'd put in five 652 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.359 or six from the SEC or anything like that, but 653 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.880 I just I don't know there's been enough, you know, 654 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.839 not only quality wins within the conference this year, but 655 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.200 also kind of outside the league either. So I'm kind 656 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:21.240 of in the same boat as you. 657 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:23.799 All right, before I set you loose, we've seen three 658 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.359 games from the Utah men's basketball team, and they've blown 659 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.200 out three pretty bad teams queens from Charlotte, not from 660 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.599 New York, Okay, And you know, they look very fluid, 661 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.480 they're knocking down shots, they're taking a lot of threes. 662 00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.039 Maybe we'll learn a little bit more coming up in 663 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.160 a couple of days against Mississippi State. But as we've 664 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.400 talked about Ryle's, I mean, this conference it's just nuts. 665 00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.640 I'm looking at their schedule and it is littered with 666 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.480 top twenty five teams, top ten teams. Your Rock Chalk 667 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.240 Jayhawks will be here in February, so that should be fun. 668 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.279 But what stands out most about these three games that 669 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:56.880 you've seen so far? And do you feel like we 670 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.200 could see maybe a team that And I saw Craig 671 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.359 at the game and he said to me, we're going 672 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:03.720 to be better than people think him. Coaches always say 673 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:05.720 that sometimes it is a real thing. 674 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:06.400 Sometimes it's not. 675 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.960 What stands out most about this Utah men's basketball team 676 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:10.960 so far, Well, yeah. 677 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.359 They hand had their bigs. They've been just their front court. 678 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.799 They lost one for the year, one's been down for 679 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.240 a while, Lovern's got an ankle injury. So they've played 680 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.079 a lot of small ball and three four guard stuff. 681 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:21.480 Spence. 682 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.279 They really shoot it well. They've got a lot of 683 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.440 guys that can really shoot the basketball. And they're pretty 684 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.640 connected too. It's a really connected group. For having as 685 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.680 many new faces as they do, they're really connected. So 686 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.200 they haven't played dumb basketball. They played a really good pace. 687 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.759 They've got guys that can handle the ball. Mike Sharup Johnson, 688 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:46.440 the kid from Dayton and San Francisco in Mongolia. He's 689 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.920 a really nice player at six foot nine, handling the basketball, 690 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.759 shooting the basketball. The Madson brothers can shoot lights out. 691 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.839 You've got guys like a sar and DAWs who can 692 00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:00.240 really rebound and guard. Guy like Jake wall Lean is 693 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.119 just a good energy guy, Miro Little. They've just got 694 00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.599 a little bit of everything. Now, again, this is a 695 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.000 non conference, They've played three teams. We're gonna get a 696 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.599 good idea Sunday, you know, Sunday they play at MISSUS. 697 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.839 They play Mississippi State, not on campus, but in the 698 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.920 state of Mississippi, just outside of Memphis. So we'll get 699 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.359 a better feel for them coming up on Sunday. But 700 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.920 I do, and I don't disagree with Craig. I think 701 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.480 that this team, I mean, there's nowhere to go but up. Obviously, 702 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.519 they were picked sixteenth, But I think this team probably 703 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:32.000 outperforms their preseason projections if they stay healthy, because they've 704 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.000 got a lot of really good interchangeable parts. They've got 705 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.599 a lot of really good shooting, and again they're really 706 00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:40.839 connected teams. So I at least through three games, I 707 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:41.759 really like what I've seen. 708 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.160 All Right, Riles, Well, thanks for the time, man, have 709 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:45.880 a great weekend and we'll get you back on soon. 710 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:47.359 Thanks Ben. 711 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.400 All Right, Bill Riley, the voice of the Utes. 712 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.279 Coming up on the other side, Big Show, Big Hour, 713 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.240 brought to you by Big O' Tires. It's Gordon Monson 714 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:58.079 and Craig Bowler Jack live and studio on this beautiful Thursday. Man, 715 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.559 what a nice day out today. I tell you about 716 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.680 my friends at Prize Picks. Okay, Prize Picks is the 717 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.039 best place to get real money sports action. 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It's time for the Big Show. 749 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.840 Hour on the Drive at Spence check its exclusively on 750 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:37.760 ESPN seven hundred. 751 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:58.239 So very dramatic intro for a very dramatic hour here 752 00:35:58.280 --> 00:35:59.039 on the program. 753 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.000 It is the Big Show, Big Hour, brought to you 754 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.159 at Big O' Tires. Gordon Monson, Craig Bowler, Jack Live 755 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:06.000 in studio. 756 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.159 We've done it. It's like two straight weeks. It's a streak, man, 757 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:10.000 Great to. 758 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.880 See you guys. There's two in a row. Is that 759 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.000 a streak? I think that's the definition of a street. Yeah, 760 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:18.440 two in a row, I'll sell them, manhappy. 761 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:20.920 Yes, Well, if two in a row is a streak, 762 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.519 b y us on a winning streak over Utah. Huh 763 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.840 see what I did there? Two straight games? So gentlemen, 764 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.320 thanks for joining us. Let's do some college football before 765 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.760 we get to some jazz of the streak. Well, not 766 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.119 a winning street. They had a six to zero deficit street. 767 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.519 Then gonna be a long term you two on the 768 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.599 road and then well you know Phoenix. Yeah, good, Booker 769 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.840 is good. I was at the game. That was fun. 770 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:46.440 I enjoyed it. 771 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:51.679 We'll get to some jazz. But all right, Gordon, this 772 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.599 week it's been a busy week. I'm gonna take a 773 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.079 little time off. You get you guys, remember what rivalry 774 00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:58.360 week is like and then the reaction week. It's like, dude, 775 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.440 I need a day off so porters can drive the 776 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.519 ship tomorrow and potentially Monday and Tuesday. 777 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.559 I'm gonna go play a little golf. But let's let let's start. 778 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:08.880 Let's let's start with a holding penalty. Let's just get 779 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:09.679 into the good stuff. 780 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.199 Okay, Because if you're a BYU fan, it's black or white. 781 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.880 It's it was a hold letter of the law, period. 782 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.960 But it's a little bit more complex than that. I'm 783 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.079 not saying that's why Utah lost the game. Make a stop, 784 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.400 but how did you digest the call in real time? 785 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:26.960 And where are you at about four days later? 786 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.199 I get the complication that you're you're alluding to there, 787 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.119 But it was a hold. I mean, you know, so 788 00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:35.320 if you want to if you here, here's the thing 789 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.519 about that. You know, you saw Retz left, look to 790 00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.920 his left. He wanted to hit that kid and he 791 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.239 was held. And so when that happens, it affects the play. 792 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.559 So it's not just one little teeny hold over here 793 00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:53.000 that doesn't matter. It does matter. But I understand, you know, 794 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.360 when you when you have the game one essentially and 795 00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:59.880 then you know you see the flag. I get the 796 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.079 I frustration involved in it, but you know it was 797 00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:03.880 the right call. 798 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:05.519 It was a legitimate call. 799 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.119 I'd be really ticked off if I were a ute 800 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.840 if it wasn't a hold and they call it anyway 801 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.239 because the judgment comes into play and whatnot. But well, 802 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.639 that's the way I look at it. And what happened 803 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.079 after that we can get to if you want. But anyway, 804 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.760 Utah had a chance to win that game so many 805 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.559 different ways, so many different times, and they didn't take 806 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.440 advantage of it. So to hone in on that one play. 807 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.280 I get the frustration, but it's not the truth. 808 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:33.039 What do you think, Rrect? 809 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.519 You know this happens so many times in my career 810 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.559 and all you, all of us have been there at 811 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.239 games and the games I've called. I can't tell you 812 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.440 how many times one particular call will impact or could 813 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.400 be the difference between a win or a loss. You know, 814 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.039 when I've talked to officials and coaches, I mean, this 815 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.199 is a conversation that they don't want to have, but 816 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.039 they always say, look, call the game like you would 817 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.440 in the first quarter, and then carry that throughout. So 818 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.599 ask yourself, is that a hold in the first quarter? Absolutely, 819 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.079 the flag comes out and you just say, live to 820 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.599 play another day. The issue in all of professional and 821 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.559 amateur sports is the moment and that one moment that 822 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.880 changes the direction of an important. 823 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:21.760 Game, especially asency. 824 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.519 Yeah, yeah, if you're going to call that in the 825 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.800 fourth quarter, better damn bett been called in the first 826 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.280 and vice versa. If you threw the flag in the 827 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.079 first quarter, then the official may have no other choice 828 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.239 no matter what the situation may be. 829 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:36.320 It's the same thing. 830 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.199 Remember last year, Marketing hit a three in the corner 831 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.320 and KD was there and they reversed the call and 832 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:49.239 everybody went crazy. Replay has its reasons, and you know, 833 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.280 it gives you the second and third looks at different angles. 834 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.760 But I think it's the consistency of officiating that's is 835 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.840 kind of the the point of anger at times, because 836 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.719 sometimes you don't see that call made early, then you 837 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.800 see it late, and then you start to say, well, 838 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.920 hey man, who's paying your you know who paid you 839 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.280 this week and all that stuff. 840 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:09.599 It should always be made. 841 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.360 Yes, that's the point is that that call and I 842 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.239 hope you know Utah fans as they cooled down figure 843 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.079 it out. I hate personally, I hate to see that 844 00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:22.360 call determine an outcome, But also you make a great point. 845 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.440 Can you stop them from that point on which they 846 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:25.239 were unable to do? 847 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.039 Yeah, And the swing of emotions was a liar because 848 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.840 I was on the sideline right in front of the 849 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:36.280 muss and it reminded me of the year where block kick, miskick, 850 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.880 block kick, miskick, rush the field, go back rush, and 851 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.639 you fans thought they want it once Caline got the 852 00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.480 time out in, they thought they wanted twice Corene sacked Jake, 853 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.320 but Gordon to your point, after the hold, there was 854 00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.320 still a lot b why you had to do to 855 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.119 put themselves in position to kick that game winning field goal. 856 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:56.440 For me, when Chase got the pass and went all right, 857 00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.199 not good, you know, when did you start to sense 858 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.639 that Byu is going to be able to capitalize on 859 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:03.480 the second chance they were awarded. 860 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.280 Well, based on what we've seen out of that team 861 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.280 in previous weeks, I thought there was a chance. I mean, 862 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.039 I didn't think it was a great chance, but I thought, yeah, 863 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.760 it's certainly possible that they could regroup and get down 864 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:14.239 the field. 865 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.280 They just needed a field goal. Yep, And but you 866 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:18.239 tak It's like. 867 00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.960 When someone asked Kyle whitting Cam that after the game, 868 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.639 he said, We've seen that all season. You know, where 869 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:27.119 the defense plays great and then they give up a 870 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.679 certain something or a certain something happens and they end 871 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.320 up losing. Now five straight. It's Spence, You've been doing 872 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.760 this a long long time, bowler. You and I started 873 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.920 in this business about the same time, centuries ago. We 874 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:46.039 get so tired of people complaining about referee and officiating. 875 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.920 I mean that happens in every sport. Remember Stockton said. 876 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:53.159 That an official with a whistle can affect every single 877 00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.880 almost every single outcome in the last three minutes of 878 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:56.159 a game. 879 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.719 Absolutely, and that may be true. 880 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.719 But do you want to make do you want to 881 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.079 make your sport completely illegitimate? Because that's what you're doing 882 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.920 when you do that. Yeah, and I get that. Like 883 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.639 with the placement of a ball, we talked about this before. 884 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.519 How can you place that ball when it's within an 885 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.159 inch of the first down? How can you get that right? 886 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:18.599 It's almost impossible to get it right. But if you 887 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.679 complain about it too much, then you might as well 888 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:21.760 not even watch football. 889 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.320 That's why Tennis went with cyclops, remember, you know, because 890 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.440 no one could get whether the ball had skipped on 891 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.760 the out of bounds or what a fault on a serve. 892 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.000 I mean you have to ask yourself, how much do 893 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.599 you want technology to impact you know, a game. 894 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.559 You don't like it at all Baller based on past conversation, 895 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:43.840 I'm not a big fan. 896 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.440 You know, the replay has purpose at the right time, 897 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.599 but it can't dictate the human factor that still is 898 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.800 all the part of all of us. I mean, you know, 899 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:58.280 I thought the minute that they that Colinie got the 900 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.079 time out, I thought, man, bang, that has changed the 901 00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.559 entire tempo of this game, this this arena, the stadium, 902 00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.280 whatever the muss was out it was insane. 903 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.440 Was it not ever there? Yeah, the stadium looked good. 904 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.239 I mean, fans not shown up turned out to be 905 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.119 completely incourable. 906 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.039 Then you get down to how do they move the ball. 907 00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.199 Sometimes what I see in games I've called is defensive 908 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.159 coordinators begin to say, let's not give up the big play. 909 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.639 But in this case, with a good foot in hand 910 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.639 for BYU, you start to kind of play softer, you 911 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.159 play prevent type defense. Uh, the second level is soft, 912 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.000 and you kind of get something underneath, hoping that they'll 913 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.480 run the clock and can't get out of bounce, so 914 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.880 you give up middle field and it just it worked 915 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.960 out as good as it could be. And you know, 916 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.000 I just heard Bill coming in opportunistic and I've used 917 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:52.199 that word myself. BYU has not hurt themselves much this year, 918 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.440 and when the opportunity comes, they've taken it. It started 919 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.239 with Case State and they have rolled from that point on. 920 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.159 They haven't made too many mistakes. They've been lucky. 921 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:03.719 Started before that against Cess in US. 922 00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.639 That's true, that's true, the week prior, right, and then 923 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.119 Case State comes in that three minute span, bang bang 924 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:12.199 bank it's over. And it's an amazing feat this year 925 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.960 for what BYU's done. Good defense, a solid offense, a 926 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.280 really good head coach, and they have more athletes and 927 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.760 more speed than I think than any of us thought 928 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:24.760 when the preseason polls came out. 929 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:24.880 No. 930 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:26.000 Bowler's another thing. 931 00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.079 And you've seen this a thousand times, both of you 932 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:32.800 in basketball especially, but confidence, man, they really think they're 933 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.159 gonna win every game. And you talk to them beforehand, 934 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.719 you see the way they're the body language, everything they 935 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.760 really think they're gonna win. They played poorly in that game, 936 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.440 and give the US credit. I mean, that's about the 937 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.360 stuff as I've seen them play all year. I mean, 938 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.880 they've really showed up to play and they played hard, 939 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.880 and that defense is legitimate. That defense is good, very good. 940 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.000 But the offense just can't seem to get it together 941 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.719 when they need to. New quarterback comes in, surprises byu 942 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.119 with some stuff with his legs, and the utes are 943 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.400 looking better than I've seen him looking a long long time. Yeah, 944 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.960 and then it absolutely evaporates in the second half. There's nothing, 945 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.760 almost nothing in that second half. And why Well, maybe 946 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.519 Jay Hill had a little something to do with that. 947 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.719 Well, and we also found out today via Brandon rose 948 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.760 mother's Instagram post or maybe it was Twitter. 949 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:26.280 I don't know. 950 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.639 It's all cesspool that he had a Liz Frank fracture 951 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:31.800 in the second quarter. 952 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:33.920 He plays, keep playing him. 953 00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.599 I have no idea a why they played him, and 954 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:41.639 be how he played. Isaac was ready and Brandon certainly 955 00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.480 showed that. Maybe he should have been the backup all along. 956 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.480 In my opinion, But how do you march the kid 957 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.599 out with a broken leg, and how does he even play. 958 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.519 I mean that to me, does explain the second half 959 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:51.280 an emic offense. 960 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:56.000 Yeah, I wonder if he actually let them know he did, 961 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:57.079 because they shot him off. 962 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.519 Yeah, at least at halftime. They shot him up at 963 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:00.239 half time. 964 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.719 You see an athlete who's hurt and then he comes 965 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.079 back and he's able to move. 966 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.840 Yeah, he got shot. That's you know what happens. Come on, man, 967 00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.880 it's all about tape. Tape laced with viking in. 968 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:12.840 No. 969 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.000 I say, I've seen so many guys come out there. Man, 970 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.400 got that damn ankle looks like it's a make, it's 971 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.679 a half cast. But then underneath that tape is another 972 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.679 little joy joy shot that takes the pain away. 973 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.400 Can I say this about the Huts, I'm really confused. 974 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.519 I mean, the defense is really good. They've had their 975 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.800 moments where they've let up a little bit, but the 976 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.039 offense isn't. But there's no way with the team with 977 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.480 that kind of defense should lose five straight games. 978 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.119 An average offense puts this team in contention for the 979 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:42.800 Big twelve ten. 980 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.159 Injury with well three three straight losses at home. I mean, 981 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.000 it's it's mind boggling. Hasn't happened under Kyle five game 982 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:51.960 losing streight. No, and I got to throw this out 983 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.679 because the the hype of this team I've never seen 984 00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:01.639 before nationally and everybody locally nationally agreed that Utah was 985 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.280 going to be a powerhouse and potentially in the postseason 986 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.440 playoff scheme of things, and even hosts a first round game. 987 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:14.599 I'm stunned that an injury to Cam again derailed this 988 00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.159 team and the confidence of that injury impacted it so 989 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.719 severely comes back injured again. But I think it's the 990 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:29.039 anemic or the unpredictable offense that tired the defense to say, look, guys, hey, 991 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.400 hold my hand up. Can you help us? We can 992 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.599 only do so much. I mean, if you only allowed 993 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.440 seven to ten points a game, you've done your job. 994 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.599 But there was just very little help. But you could 995 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:41.320 just see. 996 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.800 The wind of the utes hopes for a magical season 997 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.440 go away with that early season run into the Gatorade 998 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.360 buckets by Cam Rising. 999 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.320 What were you guys thinking at the half when it's 1000 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:53.239 twenty one to ten. 1001 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.679 I thought you ta had them, I really did, especially 1002 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:56.559 the way they were playing. 1003 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.599 Yes by you could not move the ball. They needed 1004 00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.639 a kick return for a touch teams touchdown. 1005 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.440 But on offense's to this, yeah, yeah, Parker's talk about yeah, 1006 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.320 for sure, kid can run, A kid can run, but 1007 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:08.920 they could not. 1008 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:09.480 Move the ball. 1009 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.519 And I thought twenty one points second quarter, Utah's found something. 1010 00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:14.480 I didn't think Utah was gonna hang another twenty one 1011 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.119 on them, but I thought, second half, maybe you get 1012 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.920 a touchdown, a field goal, And I said, if they score, 1013 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.840 if Utah scores twenty four plus points, they win the game. 1014 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.800 And they could have with one field goal in the 1015 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.599 second half. So for me, Gordon halftime, I thought, it 1016 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:29.880 feels like Utah's got this one. 1017 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.000 They look like they And I understand that some people 1018 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.880 could be frustrated with a couple of things. First of all, 1019 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.920 you put Brandon Rose in there, and he's playing fantastic 1020 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:41.920 early on, and you're thinking, where's this kid been all 1021 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.960 year when the uts have been struggling. So that's a 1022 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.199 coaching decision. Why didn't they see that? Why didn't they 1023 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.679 see that this kid could do that? And then there's 1024 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.599 the emotion side of football, and does it take a 1025 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.039 rival for Utah to bring its best? And that's what 1026 00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.199 they did in the first half. They brought their best 1027 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.440 and then they couldn't sustain it in the second half. 1028 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:05.519 But so as much as Utah was playing well, it's 1029 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.039 sort of an indictment too, because why can't you play 1030 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:09.920 like this all the time. 1031 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.760 It's a fair question. And additionally, remember the start of 1032 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.119 the year, it's like, oh, we get Cam and Brandt back. 1033 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.840 Now they're both on the shelf. Grand Keithy goes out 1034 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.800 with an injury score two tds in the first half. 1035 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:21.760 The second half obviously looked a lot different with him 1036 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.239 on the sideline. 1037 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:25.559 You know, you lose weapons. 1038 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:27.920 And we always talk about the ones, the twos, and 1039 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.079 the threes and really good teams. I remember Nick Saban 1040 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.000 I told this story before, telling us, Yeah, I got 1041 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:34.599 two really good damn running backs back here. 1042 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.400 But tell you what, look across the three boys. 1043 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.559 You see that eight on over there, I got three 1044 00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:40.360 better running backs that the ones that are on the 1045 00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.880 gonna I'll be starting on Saturday. You know, that's how 1046 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:49.840 you win championships and survive injury. But solved, Now you 1047 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.000 got Glover that's leaving for the transfer portal, and I'm 1048 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.400 just wondering how much of this will snowball into what 1049 00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.599 I'm sure Utah fans don't want to see a mass exodus. 1050 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.440 With the amount of emotion that went into the start 1051 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.519 of this season, there's going to be a lot of 1052 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.880 people in a lot of young men's ears saying, you know, 1053 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.800 you got to move on. You know this isn't working out. 1054 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.880 You're gonna have to get more playing time someplace else. 1055 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:14.280 You know that the studs and those who really want 1056 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.840 to play for the University of Utah will stay and 1057 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.760 you're going to see how they perform in these final 1058 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.320 couple of games as they wind down a season. 1059 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.880 Yeah all right, Oh no, please, I'm just curious about 1060 00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.760 an important question, Spence. You've been studying this team all 1061 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:33.079 year long. Is there is there is it necessary to 1062 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:34.679 have a cultural shift? 1063 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.360 Man, That's the last thing you would think under Kyle. 1064 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.320 This has been paved, this has been concreted, This is 1065 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:46.880 chiseledon stone. Granted the way that everyone who talks Kyle 1066 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:50.519 Whittingham and the University of Utah they are coaches, need 1067 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.239 to come visit to understand what he's built. 1068 00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.280 Here's a great coach. Yeah right, and all of a 1069 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.639 sudden in one year. I don't think you can just 1070 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.599 break it down or think that the granted has you know, 1071 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.360 major cracks in it. But then you start to get 1072 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.639 the wondermunth of is Kyle beginning to wind down himself, 1073 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.800 and then you get the wonderment of Morgan Scally And 1074 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.960 then you know players begin to doubt should they commit 1075 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.199 when in the past there was no doubt. So all 1076 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:18.199 that I think comes into play in this discussion. 1077 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.880 I'll say this about Kyle Whittingham. 1078 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.519 He's near the end and he's got a lot of 1079 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.039 reasons to live beyond football. As absorbed as he's been 1080 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.360 through the years in football, I think people say, oh, well, 1081 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.199 he wouldn't walk away after a season like this. I 1082 00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.000 don't think Kyle Whittingham cares. I don't think he cares 1083 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.760 about I mean, he cares. He wants to win, sure, obviously, 1084 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.320 but he didn't have to win a championship. He didn't 1085 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.719 have to go to a college football playoff this year 1086 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:44.840 in order to do that. 1087 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:45.000 Now. 1088 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.840 I don't know what he's going to do, but he's 1089 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:50.360 got all kinds of reasons to live beyond football. And 1090 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.440 he's got great He's got ten grandkids, he's got family. 1091 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.559 He doesn't want to miss things that he missed for 1092 00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:58.960 so long in his career. And I think that's really 1093 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.480 important to him, and that's a compliment to him. He's 1094 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.440 he's a smart man. He's educated a lot of different things. 1095 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.880 He has a lot of different interests. It's not just 1096 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.679 about football all the time. Again, I don't know what 1097 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.079 he's gonna do, but I think the results of this 1098 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.199 season do not matter as far as answering that question. 1099 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.119 Yeah, that's interesting, and I'll just say right off the top, 1100 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.159 I don't know. I have no idea what he's going 1101 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.320 to do, nor do I know how this season has 1102 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.760 affected his future playing. Yeah, I'll say on Monday, when 1103 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.119 he stepped up to do media, I'm like, my man's tired, 1104 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.639 you know, like, and of course he is. First of all, 1105 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.000 college football is a grind, period and the stuff is hard. 1106 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.039 I interviewed him last week and we pre recorded it 1107 00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.119 because they practiced in the afternoon, and before the interview 1108 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:45.840 went live, I said, how are you holding up? 1109 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:47.440 He's like, this is hard. He's like, this is hard. 1110 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.280 This is really hard, and it's all consuming. Yeah. Yeahple 1111 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:51.079 don't understand. 1112 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.880 Even more so now Nil has changed the world, and 1113 00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.679 just the time and the consumption and the film and 1114 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.760 the way you have to relate to players for portal wins, 1115 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.599 for portal nonstant recruits. It's so much different than the 1116 00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:08.199 days of Bear Bryant, you know, Woody up at Ohio State, 1117 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:09.960 where you just kind of said, you know, young man, 1118 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.079 you want to play, all right, come on in, sign 1119 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.360 to dotted lane and you're gonna get yourself an education, 1120 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.440 or at least they thought, you know, but there's no 1121 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:19.400 no idea of a transfer portal. Now what do you 1122 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:21.800 think Nick Saban's out of the game because you didn't 1123 00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:23.480 have to go through the NIO portal? 1124 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:27.239 Right, Yeah, And I do wonder though, without again being 1125 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.280 very clear, I have no idea what Kyle is going 1126 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.639 to do. You guys know, coaches, man, these are maniacal 1127 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.760 guys that are oftentimes control freaks, and oftentimes when they 1128 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.360 try to I always reference Greg Popovitch, right, because for 1129 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.920 the final four years of Tim Duncan's career, Bob said, 1130 00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:48.360 when he's done, I'm doone. Duncan retires and he signed 1131 00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.519 like a five year deal work, you know, and we're like, 1132 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.840 what's going And he admitted he said, I took the. 1133 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.039 Off season, I thought about it. I love doing this. 1134 00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:57.559 They pay me a lot of money. To do it. 1135 00:53:58.719 --> 00:53:59.679 Jerry was kind of like that. 1136 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.039 Obviously, the Darren stuff ultimately was enough for Jerry to 1137 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:05.679 walk away. Part of me wonders if Kyle would really 1138 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:10.039 miss it to your point, hobbies, golf, family, all the things. 1139 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:11.760 Can only play so much golf. 1140 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.719 And you always hear players say like, even players that 1141 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.639 get into coaching or a front office admin stuff, it 1142 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.280 never is the same as the buzz they had when 1143 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:26.519 they play right. And I don't care if Kyle plays 1144 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.519 himself to be a scratch golfer, I don't think it'll 1145 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.880 ever approach the buzz he gets coaching a team in 1146 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.039 a big game. I just wonder if he's able to 1147 00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.159 walk away with I think three years left on his deal. 1148 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.039 Very few, I'm sorry, Gordo, very few players and coaches 1149 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.440 are really able to do that. Huh, Because you just 1150 00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:44.840 said the magic word. It's about the love of the game, 1151 00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:48.960 but also the locker room. There's something about it. Players 1152 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.039 miss it. There's an addiction there, there's an adrenaline there 1153 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.440 that becomes part of your life, your soul, and I 1154 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.639 hope listeners understand that anybody who's been in a huddle, 1155 00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.000 who's been in a locker room, understand. And you know 1156 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:05.800 you spend so much time, you know, on a football 1157 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.880 field or on the basketball court, sweating your guts out. 1158 00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.679 And yeah, you're well paid. But still the human factor 1159 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.360 you have to always remember, plays a big factor in 1160 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.199 this discussion because that's all Wit knows, right. I mean, 1161 00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.960 he's good with youth. He does have family, as Gordon says, 1162 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:26.599 and sometimes you feel cheated along the way. Sometimes marriages 1163 00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.639 don't quite work out because the time consumption is so 1164 00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.800 is so high. But man, it's when you walk you 1165 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.559 have to be ready to say I'm really in on 1166 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:36.400 this decision. 1167 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:37.840 Yeah, remember, because. 1168 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.679 Once you leave, man, uh, there's somebody else walking right 1169 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.199 in to fill the gap. And it's the same way 1170 00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.280 when you hurt Taylor Hendricks, for example, you know, having 1171 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.639 the surgery last week. He's on his own right now, 1172 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.360 even though he's got training and he's going to rehab. 1173 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.800 But man, he's got some mind games going on right 1174 00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.280 now because he's young. He wants to play, and he 1175 00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.760 has some doubt and coaches help you get rid of that. 1176 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:05.719 Remember though, that Kyle's dad unfortunately passed away at sixty four. 1177 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.079 Kyle turned sixty five next week, and he's always said 1178 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.800 he doesn't want to coach into his later years, well 1179 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:14.519 our later years here. 1180 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:15.280 Yet I don't know. 1181 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.320 There's another component to this whole thing is he's damn 1182 00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.039 good at what he does. He hasn't lost it, he 1183 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.880 said in that press conference I wrote about. 1184 00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:25.559 This hasn't posted yet. 1185 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.960 But he said that this is He started to say, 1186 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.039 this is one of the most frustrated and then he 1187 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:35.519 stopped and said, no, it's the most frustrating season I've 1188 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:36.880 ever had in my career. 1189 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:38.719 And that's saying something. 1190 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:42.679 But whether that's going to really chase him out, I 1191 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.599 think it's other things on his mind beyond just the 1192 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:46.800 difficulties of today. 1193 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:48.320 Yeah, and I tend to agree with that. 1194 00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.000 It's just funny as we're talking about this topic, so 1195 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.519 many things are kind of permeating through my head about coaches, 1196 00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.840 and I can remember the great Hubie Brown, not Hugh B. 1197 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:02.079 Brown, but Hube Brown, the former NBA coach. I'm surprised. 1198 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.039 I was born of goodly parents over here, Gordon, Okay, 1199 00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:08.320 come on, I'm well trained in the doctum. 1200 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:09.880 I seeing we're going to hear the story of the 1201 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:11.679 current Bush, but go ahead, totally. 1202 00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.599 But I remember it was Quinn Snyder's first year with 1203 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:15.079 the Jazz. 1204 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.239 And I know who Hube a little bit. 1205 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.000 He was Nick's coach back in the day, and he 1206 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.440 was in town calling a game, and so I got 1207 00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.360 there early before I had to do the pregame hit. 1208 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.400 I walked over to Hubie and I said, tell me 1209 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:28.159 about Quinn. 1210 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:28.760 He's new. 1211 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:30.760 You know, what do you think? He seems really sharp? 1212 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:34.079 And Hubie Brown said to me, he's incredibly smart. He's 1213 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:37.280 very sharp. He's probably gonna burn himself out after like 1214 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.559 six or seven years. It took eight. After eight years, 1215 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:42.880 Quinn's like, I gotta go to the beach for a while, 1216 00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.440 Like I can't do this. And so I wonder on 1217 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:49.760 the scale of normal to maniacle where Quinn certainly danced 1218 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.599 the dance where Kyle is, because I, honestly, I really 1219 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.960 don't know. I could see him walking after this, as 1220 00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:00.280 you said, Gordon, not affected by the lack of wins 1221 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:00.760 and losses. 1222 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.320 But I could also see him like, I'm not going 1223 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:03.400 out like this. Yeah. 1224 00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:07.039 See, that's the other point of the equation is Quinn 1225 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.960 was burned out. Quinn had, you know, Donovan and Rudy 1226 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:11.559 to deal with. 1227 00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:13.880 Oh, you think the texts at two o'clock in the morning, 1228 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:17.679 and he reminded me of you a little bit. 1229 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.000 Sometimes I'll take that as a compliment. It is okay, 1230 00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.679 thank you. I think Covid burned out Quinn a lot. 1231 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:25.840 I mean, the jazz right in the middle of it, 1232 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:28.400 and Gobert's right in the center of it. And that 1233 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.360 Oklahoma City night was a stressful one. But he got 1234 00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.000 through it, got us all through it. 1235 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:37.960 And then the he couldn't he couldn't bring Donovan and 1236 00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:40.400 Rudy back, and I think that kind of frustrated him 1237 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:42.880 and he started to find some doubt, if that makes sense, 1238 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.360 because that's what he prided himself and being was kind 1239 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.519 of the psychologist and a mad scientist who was able 1240 00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.760 to formulate, you know, the plan to get everything back. 1241 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:55.199 You know, Kyle will have to make a tough decision. 1242 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.920 Do you legacy? Is how important it is? Is it 1243 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.480 to you? Do you leave under he's talk with circumstances 1244 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:06.000 or do you refuel Gordo knowing that you that Kyle 1245 00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.840 Whittingham is still a good coach and players want to 1246 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.719 play at Utah and do you come back? And does 1247 00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:14.920 that motivate you to to maybe reset the battery or 1248 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.480 recharge you to say I'm gonna I'm gonna push this 1249 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:18.800 team back into the forefront. 1250 00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:21.239 It could go either way, but his image is already 1251 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.440 carved on the mountain for sure. I mean, he's got nothing. 1252 00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.840 It's not gonna change his legacy. He's a he's a great. 1253 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.719 But it's in his own mind. I get it. I 1254 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:32.840 get you have to walk away satisfied. 1255 00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:34.920 Yeah, And there's something else involved in it, like you 1256 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:40.400 were alluding to earlier, is an identity. Your identity gets 1257 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.679 wrapped up in what you do. Coaching football isn't just 1258 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.280 your job, it's who you are. 1259 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.960 Yes, that's such a good point. It becomes your identity. 1260 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:48.480 All right. 1261 00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:50.400 I want to do some jazz with our next segment, 1262 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.760 but before we break, we we've got to talk about 1263 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.760 what happened after the game. Because I'm over on the 1264 00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:58.719 sideline watching with a bunch of former utes and Sean 1265 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:01.559 was there too, And after the game I went over 1266 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:03.360 to say I to Klanie and a Rod and you 1267 01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:06.320 congratulate them and kind of stayed to see the scene 1268 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.519 and dodge water bottles because water bottles were being thrown. 1269 01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.960 So I'm on my way home, I'm walking home and 1270 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.840 suddenly my phone just blows up, like this is weird. 1271 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:18.960 I get worried, like somebody's calling me or texting me, 1272 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.280 maybe something's wrong. It was just like ten different texts 1273 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.360 like dude, did you just hear what Mark Carland said? 1274 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:24.400 I'm like no, I'm walking home. 1275 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:26.719 So my buddy sends me the link to a social 1276 01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:28.639 video and I pull it up and I listened to it, 1277 01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:32.679 and I go, oh, man, I thought he was going 1278 01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.960 to be in so much trouble. We interviewed Brett Ormark 1279 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.880 Big twelve Media days. He's an old exec from the 1280 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.159 Brooklyn Nets. He is in northeast. You will be swimming 1281 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.159 with the fishes with a dead horse's head in your 1282 01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:45.480 bed if you mess with me. And so when I 1283 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.199 saw the release the next day, a couple things. First 1284 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.760 of all, I would have loved to be there when 1285 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.199 your Mark woke up and looked at his phone and went, wait, 1286 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.559 what you got to be kidding me? So I thought 1287 01:00:56.599 --> 01:01:00.360 forty k and a public reprimand was actually I was 1288 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.000 happy for Mark because I thought he was going to 1289 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:05.440 be a lot of trouble. Mark Carlin, in my experience, 1290 01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:09.159 is a smart, measured man who doesn't react with emotion. 1291 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:10.920 Now we're not best buds, we don't hang out, but 1292 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.079 I've probably interviewed him fifty times and every time I'm 1293 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:14.519 up there, I seek him out and talk to him, 1294 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.519 and he's very nice to me. We have a good relationship. 1295 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:20.159 That's just a bad look man. And my guess is 1296 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:21.719 I haven't talked to him. We try to get him 1297 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.559 on the show. Hopefully we'll get him on the next 1298 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:25.559 couple of weeks. He'd like him all again. I think 1299 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.719 he would in that moment. Gordon will start with you, 1300 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:30.440 then Craig will get your thoughts. What was your reaction 1301 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:31.920 to the comments of Mark Carlin after the game. 1302 01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.719 Well, I've written two columns on it, shaming him because 1303 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.400 that was just stupid on his part. Let's say it 1304 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:40.800 the way it is. I agree with you. Mark Carlin's 1305 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.760 a smart guy. I've had good communications with him through 1306 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:47.159 the years. I've communicated with his dad. I mean, he's 1307 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.599 a bright guy and he's a capable guy. 1308 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:51.199 But he lost it. 1309 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.639 He absolutely lost it, and that's no way for an 1310 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:59.599 administrator to comport himself. I don't care how frustrated he are. 1311 01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.840 Do that and then to throw in on top of that, 1312 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:04.880 the whole thing. I'm not happy to be a part 1313 01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:07.320 of the Big twelve. I mean, come on, you can't 1314 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.000 do they stole it from him. Oh, here we go, 1315 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:11.760 Thanks Donald Trump. I appreciate it. 1316 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.480 I thought i'd wake up to a voicemail of Mark 1317 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.440 calling Brett Yormark saying, can you find me two points. 1318 01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:20.800 Stunt? Maybe he thought he could. 1319 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.960 And anyway, it's just it was out of bounds and 1320 01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:26.599 he I agree. And Kyle wouldn't even address this when 1321 01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.400 he was asked. It is a press conference earlier this 1322 01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:31.960 week about and I thought Kyle. 1323 01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.760 Kyle is articulate and he he's straight to the point. 1324 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:37.719 The only problem I have a Kyle is the fact 1325 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:41.000 that he won't ever tell anybody whose quarterback it will be, 1326 01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:42.320 because I think that's ridiculous. 1327 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.199 But anyway, on Saturday, yeah. 1328 01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:49.199 He said that sometimes Kyle Whitingham said, sometimes people say 1329 01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:52.800 things that they don't mean or that they wouldn't say 1330 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.039 under normal circumstance. For sure, And he said he included 1331 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:58.480 because he was unhappy with the fact that he called 1332 01:02:58.480 --> 01:02:59.119 it ridiculous. 1333 01:02:59.119 --> 01:02:59.880 I'll raise my hand. 1334 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.559 Oh yeah, we all have right and so look, just 1335 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:06.840 face the music. Mark, you blew it. You messed it up, 1336 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:10.280 You got fine, admit it, move forward. I don't think 1337 01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.320 some people were calling for his job. I think that's Look. 1338 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:17.679 Sometimes we say things and just but his but his 1339 01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:23.000 statement afterwards wasn't an apology. He sure have come clean completely. 1340 01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.199 He didn't do that, and I thought that was a 1341 01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:27.159 mistake on it. So I think he made two mistakes 1342 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.960 in that. But is he capable of overcoming that? Of 1343 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.119 course he is. He's a he's a bright dude. 1344 01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:33.440 Yeah. 1345 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.280 I was shocked because he wouldn't allow a head coach 1346 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:39.480 or any of your players to basically echo any of 1347 01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:42.360 those sentiment sentiments after a game of that nature. I 1348 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.239 I just thought when I heard it, and I replayed 1349 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.840 it a couple of three times, and you know what, 1350 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.639 Gordon and Spence, I think it's again. I keep going 1351 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:56.320 back to the culmination of this year, the pressure, the 1352 01:03:56.360 --> 01:04:00.280 expectations of greatness, the expectations again, You've been to two 1353 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.760 Rose Bowls, couldn't quite pull it off. Now you're favor 1354 01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:05.880 to win and be a part of the big big 1355 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.880 picture in college football, and then this comes down with 1356 01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.960 injuries and home losses. I think it's just one of 1357 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.800 those moments where you just let loose. Yeah, he could 1358 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.119 not reel back. And Gordon's right, he could have had 1359 01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:21.840 maybe a little better approach to the. 1360 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:25.519 Apology, but it wasn't an apology. That wasn't Yes, it 1361 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:26.519 was a statement. 1362 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.079 But you know, forty grand to your point, Spence is 1363 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:33.039 probably pretty he got up pretty easy with the five. 1364 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.199 I wonder you know where that comes from. 1365 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:38.360 But here's the thing about I mean, the whole He 1366 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:40.840 put this on top of the whole thing that the 1367 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.920 Utes had this image that they were arrogant yep, that 1368 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.039 they didn't really want to be in the Big twelve, 1369 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:48.119 and then you had let this get the best of 1370 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:50.639 you on top of that, and all that does is 1371 01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:54.719 sort of stir loathing from the rest of the conference. 1372 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.079 Who the hell do you think you are? Knock this 1373 01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:59.960 arrogance off. I mean, look at your record, I mean 1374 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:00.760 knock it off. 1375 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.719 And so he was sort of chastised from the fact 1376 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.719 competitively and administratively, as it turned out. 1377 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:11.679 Maybe pride cometh before the fall. Gordon, huh, I'll keep going. 1378 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.440 He who is without sin let him cast the first stump. 1379 01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:20.440 Lands up. I've been very clear, like I'm not judging. 1380 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:22.960 I get it man like, and I know what it's 1381 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.519 like to be emotional after a big loss, not like that, 1382 01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:29.239 but exacerbated by five straight l's. And part of me 1383 01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:31.440 wonders if he was trying to show Kyle like, I 1384 01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:34.800 got your back, right, Like I I've thought about it 1385 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:38.000 all week. Why from the minute I heard it, I'm like, 1386 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:39.480 what are you doing? 1387 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.880 Man like? What are you really accomplishing? 1388 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.000 And I don't know that I've landed on his why 1389 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:46.360 as to and and you know Ryle's hopped on earlier. 1390 01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.880 You simply said emotion And maybe that's it. Maybe a pope, 1391 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.159 I mean, that's it, a sense of a crazy pop. 1392 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:53.800 But I think it goes back again the loss, the 1393 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.320 way it went down, the home crowd, the three straight 1394 01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:59.559 losses at rice Ecles, and I think the expectations and 1395 01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:03.480 the endes finally just boiled to the point where some 1396 01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:06.639 people would either cry or yell or talking to a 1397 01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:09.679 microphone and say, I don't think I'm really a fan 1398 01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:10.480 of the Big twelve. 1399 01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:12.800 More or less, you know, we've got the stolen word. 1400 01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:15.679 That's truly I think what hooked a lot of people, 1401 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:19.599 But it's oh, by the way, did you know that 1402 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.800 there's a sports reference in the Old Testamental? 1403 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:26.599 Wise one over there is it a hunting reference? 1404 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.920 I think it's an exodus if Pharaoh served or Moses 1405 01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:31.159 served in Pharaoh's court. 1406 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.400 Not a big Old Testament, guy, lean more into the 1407 01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:35.079 New Testament. 1408 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:40.079 You know, older, you got any uh Baptist Baptist scripture 1409 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:40.679 you want to share? 1410 01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:43.639 All honorable men belong to the same tribe. 1411 01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:46.239 There we go, There we go. You know you guys 1412 01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.239 are why just try to try to bring a little 1413 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:50.360 brevity to the show today. 1414 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.880 You know, try to live like that. It's difficult to do. Older, 1415 01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:56.639 you do that. Honorable men belong to the same tribe. 1416 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:58.199 We do. Need to catch a break, so we'll do 1417 01:06:58.239 --> 01:06:58.519 that now. 1418 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.519 I want to tell you about Gordon's favorite distillery, Clearwater Distilling, 1419 01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:04.079 the only distillery in Utah County open on Sunday. Is 1420 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:07.639 Great Spirits, great tasting room, really really good people. They've 1421 01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.320 got their limited release Wednesday Whiskey Batch number two. It's 1422 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.760 a mix of their bourbon and Rye whiskeys. 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They're located 1427 01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:29.280 at five sixty four West seven hundred South in Pleasant Grove. 1428 01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:31.760 We'll do a little Utah jazz coming up next right here. 1429 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.119 All right, it's one more big segment with Craig Bowler, 1430 01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:39.760 Jack and Gordon Monson before we let Bowler go so 1431 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.480 we can get down to the arena and let Gordon 1432 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:44.960 go so he can, Uh. 1433 01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:45.360 What are you doing tonight, Gorg? 1434 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.159 What's hang I'm gonna hang out with my wife, Lovely. 1435 01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:49.800 I'm gonna watch some basketball. 1436 01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:53.400 You take a nap at all in the afternoon every 1437 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:54.119 once in a while. 1438 01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:56.599 I love me a good nap. But look, I'm gonna 1439 01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:57.440 be an excellent old man. 1440 01:07:57.519 --> 01:07:59.360 I gotta tell you, guys, how fun it is for 1441 01:07:59.440 --> 01:07:59.960 us to go for you. 1442 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.800 Sure, yeah, yeah, it's great. It's like a reflection back 1443 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:05.320 on old times. But we haven't. 1444 01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:08.800 I don't think we've lost anything. We Only the listeners 1445 01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.239 can tell us that. Fair enough, fair enough, All right, 1446 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.119 let's do a little jazz. But the big show, big hours, 1447 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:16.920 brought to you by Big old Tires. It's their falling 1448 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.800 the savings sale right now, one stop shop for automotive repair. 1449 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.279 Check them out online Big o'tires dot com to find 1450 01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:25.920 a location near you. You know, I was thinking about 1451 01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:27.640 this during the break because we were talking about Quinn 1452 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.600 and Craig to your point at the end, and as 1453 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.319 I've always said, Covid changed the team. It just it 1454 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:39.680 just didd But I often think back to just how 1455 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:43.520 sad Quinn was at the end and how sad he 1456 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.439 was that he couldn't get this thing on track, and 1457 01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:46.520 stick with me for a moment. 1458 01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:48.960 There's a method to the madness. The fact of the 1459 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.520 matter is this is gonna be a long year for 1460 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:53.399 the Jazz. I was down at the Sun's game the 1461 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:55.399 other day. They didn't have Durant and it didn't matter, 1462 01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.760 like there are gonna be some bright moments and young 1463 01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:01.000 players with good games. Philipowski's doing pretty so and you 1464 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.439 know they're not going to lose every game, but they're 1465 01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:05.079 not gonna win much. And the fact of the matter 1466 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.840 is they're not close to winning. And I don't think 1467 01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:09.840 a Cooper flag or anything like it is going to 1468 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.680 fix the situation soon. It's probably two or three years 1469 01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:17.279 of really tough times for Jazz fans, and I think 1470 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:20.000 one of the reasons Quinn was so sad is he 1471 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:24.159 recognized the opportunity they had. I don't know that they 1472 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:27.279 would have won a title, but they had a shot, 1473 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:27.960 and it's. 1474 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.079 So hard to have a shot. We're learning that now. 1475 01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:34.159 So I think the heartbreak for Quinn because truly at 1476 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:35.600 the end it was sadness. 1477 01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:37.199 You and I Gordon got to know him. I would 1478 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.880 get messages from him. I've had conversations with him since then. 1479 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.079 I think that sadness is that he couldn't convince and 1480 01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:44.359 the Cabs are off to a great start. 1481 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:45.039 We'll see what they do. 1482 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:48.359 I don't think he could get through to Donovan like 1483 01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:50.800 this is a real chance to win something special as 1484 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:53.520 a young player, and I just don't think Donovan was 1485 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.840 mature enough to understand what Quinn was selling him. So 1486 01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:57.720 the sadness has always kind of stood out to me 1487 01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:59.319 because I think he realized they had a shot. 1488 01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:00.319 Yeah, a fleet. 1489 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.640 He's excelling in a big way in Cleveland. But you 1490 01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.680 know what, Spence, what happens to a lot of young players. 1491 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:10.399 They get people in their ear and they start to say, 1492 01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:13.159 you know what you can do better? Maybe move on? 1493 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:14.920 You want to play in front of your mom in 1494 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:18.960 New York. That was the big you know talk. There's 1495 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.880 things that I saw that you can almost point to 1496 01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.640 now that it was not going the right way. And 1497 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:29.239 the Rudy Gobert relationship. What was so bizarre that night 1498 01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.760 in Oklahoma City and when we got our results back 1499 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.720 in the morning that all of us were negative except 1500 01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:40.239 for Donovan and Rudy had been had already tested positive. 1501 01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:43.920 And I thought, how bizarre is that now they were 1502 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:48.319 locker mates close in proximity. And I remember that night 1503 01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:51.960 before the game, I'd spoke with Donovan, you know, in 1504 01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:56.159 the locker room, and I'm thinking, wow, if he's positive, 1505 01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:58.840 then I'm going to have to be. But there was 1506 01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.439 no rhyme nor reas. And with COVID, I mean you 1507 01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:04.800 could be six feet away or in the same room, 1508 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:08.439 but still, you know, it finds you and and I'm 1509 01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:11.079 with you. I think Quinn did all he could, and 1510 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:13.119 he did a great job, by the way I said before, 1511 01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:16.520 of keeping the team and the whole broadcast team and 1512 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.359 the rioters together that night. No one is left behind, 1513 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:22.800 which there was a fear or that we'd stay at 1514 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:24.920 the arena for two weeks, you know, in that in 1515 01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:29.000 that in that room. But after that and the bubble 1516 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:31.159 and the and the best run and the best record 1517 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:33.079 in the NBA that year, and then all of a sudden, 1518 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:37.720 it's just like bang, gone done and someone and Donovan 1519 01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:40.119 says time to go, even though he's walked it back. 1520 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.399 Spence, you know in that conversation, we all know what happened. 1521 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:45.840 Yeah, yeah, you said we had we should have maybe 1522 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:47.600 taken another run or two not did that. 1523 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.680 A couple of things. First of all, Spence, you said 1524 01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:55.399 it perfectly not mature enough. He was not mature enough. 1525 01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:58.800 If if Donovan were as mature as he is now 1526 01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:01.359 back then, I think it would have worked. 1527 01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:02.880 That's my opinion. 1528 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.800 And Bowler to your point about Quinn and how he 1529 01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:10.399 felt that night in Oklahoma City, he was like, I 1530 01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.000 don't want to. I don't know if there's other connotations 1531 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:14.880 to this, but he was like father flannagain. 1532 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.119 Was he even let Andy Larson on the plane? 1533 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:20.520 I thought he'd leave Andy behind, like we're all leaving Andy, 1534 01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:22.479 look man, rent a car, good luck. 1535 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:26.239 It was important to him and and I really at 1536 01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.640 the end, and believe me, and I hope I'm not 1537 01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:31.960 betraying any kind of trust here because I had long 1538 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:37.479 conversations with Quinn. He just didn't feel like the support 1539 01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.039 was there that he needed to make it work. He 1540 01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.039 said he could, he could go through a rebuild. He said, 1541 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:44.960 I can handle that, he said, in fact, he said, 1542 01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:45.680 I'm good at that. 1543 01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:47.439 Well he better be in Atlanta. 1544 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:51.600 Yeah, but it's he didn't feel like he had the 1545 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.479 underpinnings to make it work. And when I see what 1546 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:59.239 Donovan's doing now in Cleveland, and don't you every once 1547 01:12:59.239 --> 01:12:59.960 in a while. 1548 01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:02.159 Don't wonder if maybe they could have. 1549 01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:07.159 Done something together longer because of what you said earlier, Spence. 1550 01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:09.119 Getting to that point is hard. 1551 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:11.520 It is hard to get there, and the Jazz are 1552 01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:16.239 suffering that right now. And maybe they'll maybe they'll blow 1553 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:17.720 a hole in the bottom of the boat and under 1554 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:20.319 straight they have to do a great example, Carl and 1555 01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.520 John had multiple chances to win the West, but they 1556 01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:24.479 just came up short. 1557 01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:27.840 You know, they they they played hard and then all 1558 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:29.960 of a sudden, the emotion pours down at Jerry Sloan, 1559 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.159 which you never thought you'd see in ninety seven to 1560 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:35.079 ninety eighty, and they were on the tail end of 1561 01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:38.640 their careers. And see, that's the other part you now 1562 01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:42.199 developed players at nineteen and twenty, and when the rookie 1563 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:46.119 contracts up, the theory is you've developed them as somebody 1564 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:47.279 else reaps the benefit. 1565 01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.960 And maybe this is the difference because I went back 1566 01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:55.000 and compared the success or lack of success in the 1567 01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.840 playoffs with stocked in them alone to. 1568 01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:03.399 Rudy and Donovan. Similarities. Yes, absolutely, it was absolutely similar. 1569 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.680 And yet and maybe times have changed, like you said, 1570 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:10.960 maybe attitudes and players, the voices in their heads, the agents, whatever, 1571 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:14.039 Maybe they're less patient than those guys were back then. 1572 01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:17.319 But I think that thing, and this is controversial because 1573 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:20.199 some people disagree with me, but Spence, I'm glad to 1574 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:22.840 hear that maybe you have that thought too, that they 1575 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:23.920 blew that thing. 1576 01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:26.600 Up too quick. Yeah, no, they did. I think they did. 1577 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:30.800 I mean, look, I will say when I heard that 1578 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.880 Quinn had decided that it was time for him to go, 1579 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:39.239 my gut said, they're breaking it down right. And ultimately 1580 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:42.359 it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback. But there is 1581 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:44.960 a world I think that existed where Danny could have 1582 01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.680 taken over and said to Donovan, you're under contract, okay, 1583 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:50.920 and you're a free agent in two years and in 1584 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:52.640 two years. You can choose where you want to play, 1585 01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:54.439 but you're playing for us for two years, or just 1586 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:55.840 give it one more year to see if you can 1587 01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.199 kind of bring this thing together. Because almost all of 1588 01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:01.239 these guys have go on to play well. Go Bear 1589 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:04.000 has been good since he left. Mike is now showing 1590 01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:06.920 his age, but just this year it's looked bad. Royce 1591 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.319 O'Neill has played really well for Phoenix, GEORGEI. Yang has 1592 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:13.760 been a solid role player like boy on Bogdanovitch. We 1593 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.119 forget Dennis Lindsay had some misses, but he did a 1594 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:18.159 masterful job. 1595 01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.359 And look, you need a little luck along the way, 1596 01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:20.880 you just do. 1597 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.279 And Dennis got some with Donovan late Lottery Go Bear 1598 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:25.399 late first round. He had some misses with Burke's and 1599 01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:28.560 Trey Burke and Enis and all the things he should have. 1600 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:32.000 He should have got Kawi. But ultimately, I say this all. 1601 01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.640 The time, I don't think most people fully understand how 1602 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:37.479 hard it is, certainly in Salt Lake City, to build 1603 01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:39.640 an NBA team that can throw punches with the best 1604 01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:43.640 teams in the league. In my opinion, Quinn's team was 1605 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.239 the second best iteration of the Jazz to Jerry's John 1606 01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:49.119 and carl Us little minds can disagree with Booze and 1607 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.239 d Will and Memo in those teams, but I honestly 1608 01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:56.600 believe the sadness in him was coming from a place 1609 01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:59.439 where he realized what a unique chance they had to do. 1610 01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:02.960 So you had special players, and the fan base just 1611 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.560 embraced the Joe Ingles, right, Gion. Joe Joe was like 1612 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.520 Memo money man. You know, there's there's players that come 1613 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.119 along that just capture the imagination and the love, the 1614 01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:15.399 love affair of the fan base, which is so important. 1615 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.600 And I think right now they're trying to find out 1616 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:21.640 who that particular player is. J C still has the love, right, 1617 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:25.359 you know, but obviously Aging still has a role off 1618 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:28.319 the bench, as is John Collins. But you know Danny's 1619 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:30.680 gone young, and you know one of the you know 1620 01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:32.720 you and you just said the magical word luck. 1621 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:34.680 You have to have luck. 1622 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:38.840 The Jazz found stocking him alone in middle first round selections, right, 1623 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:43.560 and now you find maybe Philipowski's got a little bit 1624 01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:47.800 of that thirty second player taken slipped and the Jazz 1625 01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:50.640 have this guy from duke six ' eleven, six ' 1626 01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:53.479 ten can stretch the floor, hit the three and can rebound. 1627 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:57.560 That's not a bad piece to have right now. Not 1628 01:16:57.640 --> 01:16:58.159 a bad piece. 1629 01:16:58.319 --> 01:16:59.840 You don't want it to be too good because you 1630 01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.720 to improve your position for drafting. But there's one other 1631 01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:07.119 component to this whole discussion, in my opinion, and see 1632 01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:10.439 if you agree with me. I think there's ego. There 1633 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:14.840 was ego involved in the front office. Danny Ainge, his 1634 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:19.880 hands were tied. They didn't have financial flexibility with that 1635 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:22.640 team they had, that's true, and so he wanted to 1636 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.520 make an impact, and I think his ego came into 1637 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.920 it and said, I can't make an impact because my 1638 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:31.199 hands are tied right now. So he offloaded those guys. 1639 01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:36.439 But he didn't offload enough. They didn't lose enough, and 1640 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:38.760 so now we've dragged this thing out for the last 1641 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:39.640 two and a half years. 1642 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:42.600 I guess the biggest point I think to look at 1643 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:45.960 in the future is, you know, he did make the move, 1644 01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:49.119 so you go on, so what does he do with 1645 01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:52.279 the picks and what do those picks actually turn out 1646 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.079 to be when you look back in jazz history and 1647 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.479 how those picks were used, whether to move another player 1648 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:03.000 and combine them or you know, sweeten a pot somewhere 1649 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.800 and make a deal with a you know, a sign 1650 01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:08.159 and trade and you throw in a few you know, 1651 01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:11.119 first rounders or whatever you have, because he's got a plethora. 1652 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:15.520 I want to use that word today, like it klethor 1653 01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:19.079 of talent that we don't know what it is, but 1654 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:22.640 they're there. They're just a pick. But what do they become? 1655 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:26.520 What did they become? And how long does that take? 1656 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:29.760 One thing I think that's so important to remember is 1657 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:34.479 every team's facing this is the nineteen year old or 1658 01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.720 the eighteen year old soon to be nineteen year old 1659 01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:39.600 who does the one and out and isn't ready to 1660 01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.720 play basketball at the pro level. But yet they have 1661 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:45.239 to develop them. And the Jazz take a lot of 1662 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:47.920 pride and development right in the G League and there's 1663 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:51.399 been players who've jumped, and obviously Gobert is one that 1664 01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:56.640 excelled extremely high. But then you have to make sure 1665 01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:59.880 that you keep them because I'm always I think if 1666 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:05.239 comes to mind development, all Star wants out big money 1667 01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:08.800 and then the injury, you know that kind of sidelined him. 1668 01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:12.800 And then you know, Donovan, you develop him and someone 1669 01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:14.319 says you're really good. You got to go to a 1670 01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:17.760 big market, and you got to embrace the moment and 1671 01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:21.520 get all those accolades and all those commercials that you 1672 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:25.800 can get. You know, it's just it's it's hard, and 1673 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.479 I don't know how Danny's gonna play it. I don't 1674 01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:29.960 know how the jazz will play it. I think the 1675 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:35.279 city Spence is growing rapidly. Hockey Olympics coming back. I 1676 01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:39.079 get fatigued on hearing. Well, Utah is on a destination point, 1677 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:43.560 you know what it can be, and obviously winning helps that, 1678 01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:46.199 but also the city is growing and people can do 1679 01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:48.800 whatever the hell they want here, right, some people don't 1680 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:51.600 like that, by the way. 1681 01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:53.640 You know, all right, Bowler hitting the town. You look 1682 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:55.199 like you just came from a nightclub where you did 1683 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:56.720 a sat crooning. 1684 01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:57.359 The little comedy. 1685 01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:58.119 Uh. 1686 01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:59.880 Then of course I played the Trump and the Trump 1687 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:03.760 walk down at that point, Bowler, you make is true. 1688 01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:09.720 It seems like jazz flute trump. Do you think the 1689 01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:11.279 trompbone would be a fun instrument. 1690 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:11.560 Yeah. 1691 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:13.600 I had a buddy of mine that just ripped it 1692 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.600 and played it like it was like a really jazzy 1693 01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:16.760 you know. 1694 01:20:17.039 --> 01:20:20.119 Get too far down this dress sexy? 1695 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:20.600 All right. 1696 01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:23.479 One other thing I saw something today I had to 1697 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:24.720 run by you guys. 1698 01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:26.640 It was some betting service. 1699 01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.720 Not that I bet, I don't, but it said that 1700 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:32.840 I guess what coach has the greatest odds to be 1701 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:33.840 fired first? 1702 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:37.960 Can't be Will and it's picked up his option for 1703 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.640 two five. I know, I don't get it. It's like, 1704 01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:43.960 do you not understand what this is all about? 1705 01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:44.279 Here? 1706 01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:46.479 What's happening here? That ain't happening? 1707 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:49.079 No, and he's He's one of the things they found 1708 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:53.359 that's real. And uh, ultimately I believe they've got the rat. 1709 01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:54.119 Guy coach and the team. 1710 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:56.479 You know, the last time we were in a spot 1711 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.920 like this with the Jazz was ty Corbyn's last year, right, 1712 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:02.840 And I often said on air in our old show, 1713 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:04.680 and Dennis never liked when I said this. I said, 1714 01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:07.800 the day Dennis Lindsay took the job was Tyrone Corbyn's 1715 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.119 last days. Now he let Tye coach out of his 1716 01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:12.680 contract haus he had one more year. 1717 01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:16.239 But at the time they didn't use the same excuse me, 1718 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:16.920 they didn't use. 1719 01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:19.359 The same verbiage that this front office does. 1720 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:22.560 But at the time they kind of did the same 1721 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.680 thing that Danny and Justin are doing now where they 1722 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:27.359 brought in some Vets. You know, you got the John 1723 01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:29.359 Collins of the world. You got you know, the Jordan 1724 01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:32.199 Clarkson's of the world. Back then it was Andrespidrin's. It 1725 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:34.720 was Marvin Williams at the end of his career, as 1726 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.319 Richard Jefferson at the end of his career. And then 1727 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:39.239 they decided to lean in to see what they had 1728 01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:42.239 with the young players who were Trey Burke didn't work 1729 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.239 Alec Burks still in the league, had a good career. 1730 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:45.880 Uh. 1731 01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:49.079 Jeremy Evans, Uh. Every off season we'd be like, hey, 1732 01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:52.760 he can jump forty two inches ye and won the 1733 01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:55.640 slam dunk. Yeah, but get a jumper up, Like, thanks 1734 01:21:55.640 --> 01:21:58.680 for the thanks for the vert update. Can can my 1735 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:02.399 man learn to dribble? Derek Favors worked out? Yes, it did, 1736 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:07.039 Ennis Canter excuse me, Ennis Freedom. Freedom ultimately didn't work out, 1737 01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:09.960 but had some bride spots, right. Go Beart was a rookie, 1738 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:13.960 popped All Star. Hayward third year popped, right. So it's 1739 01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.359 kind of the same thing, right, So the question is 1740 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:19.960 who are the go Bearts and the Haywards and the 1741 01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:22.960 Favors on this year's team. Because you've got the Vets 1742 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.720 with Collins and jac and but we're now trying to 1743 01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:28.640 learn who these young players are going to be and 1744 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:30.840 when it's fully baked in a couple of years, are 1745 01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.039 any of these young players going to be the next 1746 01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:36.199 iteration of jazz basketball leading a competitive team? 1747 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:37.960 And only time will tell you. 1748 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:41.560 Would I bet let me guess what you would say 1749 01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:44.960 to that Mark? And then obviously he's established. Yeah, yes, 1750 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:46.319 would you say Philipaskal? 1751 01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:46.600 Yeah? 1752 01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:50.119 I think Philipowski has a high, high ceiling. Now, look, Danny, 1753 01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:52.680 he's listening. He could be laughing and maybe sees it 1754 01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:55.479 a different way. And obviously he's won a championship as 1755 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:58.079 a player and a general manager. Kiante is still a 1756 01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:00.880 work in progress. I think John College is having his 1757 01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:02.560 best year in a long time. 1758 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:07.079 Codey Walliams long, Yeah, John John's you know what's right? Crazy? 1759 01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:09.479 You know I do this every night, prep sheets and 1760 01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:11.159 what have you, and you go, you know, he's he's 1761 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.840 an eight year pro and as he always played on 1762 01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.439 a position sometimes Yeah, but I tell you the guy 1763 01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:19.439 still has some hops. He can rebound, and he'll he'll 1764 01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:24.119 play hard, as does Colin Sexton, who has a NonStop 1765 01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:26.439 you know button. You know, here's a couple of guys 1766 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:28.760 that you have to wonder when they pop? Will they pop? 1767 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:32.600 Johnny jusse right, does he does he have a consistent three? 1768 01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:34.279 Can he play d that you have to have to 1769 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:36.239 play in this league? And Bryce sends a baw who 1770 01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.039 has an NBA body? But also can he do more 1771 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:41.159 than what he did at Ohio State and that shoot 1772 01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:41.640 the triple? 1773 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:42.840 And can he defend? 1774 01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:46.279 Right, losing Taylor Hendricks, you're gonna lose about a year 1775 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:47.920 and a half of development with him. 1776 01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:49.840 Is he a score? Maybe not? 1777 01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:52.880 Could he defend He's long, yes, but we're not going 1778 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.680 to find out how he fits into this group until 1779 01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:57.800 probably January or February. 1780 01:23:57.399 --> 01:23:59.880 Of twenty twenty six. Yeah, that's just the way it is. 1781 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:04.119 How about he's intriguing to me. 1782 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:09.680 Kind of the he's a stout point guard, brunts and like, 1783 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:12.560 but again, when does he pop? 1784 01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:14.960 I mean, he's probably the most natural lead guard on 1785 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:16.600 the rock besides Patty you. 1786 01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:19.039 Know, you know Keyante all everyone has to remember was 1787 01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:21.560 not a point guard and he's learning the position still 1788 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:24.399 in the year two. He's only what ten games into 1789 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:27.600 his second year in the NBA, so that takes development. 1790 01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:29.880 But Collyer has been had the ball in his hand 1791 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:34.960 and as a true point guard, audition driving, and he's intriguing. 1792 01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:37.479 I'm anxious to see how he comes off the injury 1793 01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:42.319 and developed. So there's see this conversation just tells us 1794 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.119 it takes time. And you said two to three years, 1795 01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:48.159 and maybe that doesn't set well with Jazz fans, but 1796 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.319 you know they want a larger window. Danny has said 1797 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:53.359 this many times. They don't want just the three year 1798 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:57.800 The windows starting to starting to close in Denver, by 1799 01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.800 the way, ten years in for the Joe, still at 1800 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:04.359 a high level. Injuries for Jamal Aaron Gordon. You know, 1801 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:07.600 we'll see what happens there. But the whole West is intriguing, 1802 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:11.720 aging great, great Hall of Fame players. 1803 01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:13.560 We gotta we gotta catch a quick break. 1804 01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:15.439 We've got a guest here, and then we've got to 1805 01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:17.000 make space for Utah women's basketball. 1806 01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:19.279 So we'll end on this. MAV's in town tonight. 1807 01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:22.680 Yeah, Dallas, do you have an I I hate this man, 1808 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:26.560 So I pulled I pulled up the the the you know, 1809 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:27.479 the preview to. 1810 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:28.720 Kind of prep for the show today. 1811 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:32.760 Yeah, Kyrie Luca game time decisions, Yeah, I hate that. 1812 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:34.840 Are they playing I hate that. You know what, I 1813 01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:36.279 don't have any privy. 1814 01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:39.079 I get the same thing I'm waiting to hear from Dallas, 1815 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.560 and it bothers me. I do not want the Jazz 1816 01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:45.000 to be a destination point for a hit pointer, a 1817 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:50.439 sore groin, or maybe a sore foot. See the fans, Look, 1818 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:54.439 the fans deserve better there. This is money, this is 1819 01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:57.680 a business. They've lost three straight. Bind you and their 1820 01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:02.840 mindset may not be all that, But Luca Clay Kyrie, 1821 01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:05.359 and there's a couple of guys that they brought in 1822 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.079 last year in Gafford and Derek. 1823 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:08.439 Excuse me, PJ. 1824 01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:11.119 Washington, who's on Derek Lively is really one of the 1825 01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:13.439 up and coming bigs in the league in my opinion. 1826 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.199 So would Jazz fans rather the Jazz have a better 1827 01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:18.600 chance to win and not have those players play, or 1828 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:20.079 do they want to see the stars play? 1829 01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:23.319 I think if you asked a twelve year old fan, 1830 01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:26.920 they want to see Luka Doncic battle the Utah Jazz, 1831 01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:29.399 and they want to get a look at JC. They 1832 01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:31.439 want to get a look at marketing, and they want 1833 01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:33.239 to see the young bull run down the floor and 1834 01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:33.960 be competitive. 1835 01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:36.079 I think that's what fans want. 1836 01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:39.159 They want to see the best against this young Jazz 1837 01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:41.960 team and hopefully develop or pull off an upset. I 1838 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:45.399 hate to see teams or great players have to sit 1839 01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:49.279 and take a day off. And the way that the league, 1840 01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:51.279 I know, we got to go, Spence, but the way 1841 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:53.479 that the league has to they have to report to 1842 01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:55.359 the league if they have a sore groin, that has 1843 01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:57.680 to be reporting, and that can get them off the 1844 01:26:57.680 --> 01:27:00.119 hook in case they warm up and they just can't go. 1845 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.199 But there's only one way to end this segment. How's that? 1846 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:07.960 Being all biblical and everything, how about an amen? Amen, Gordo, 1847 01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:08.760 I like that. 1848 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:09.239 Amen. 1849 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.039 On a Thursday, bring a little scriptorial references on the 1850 01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:13.359 on the program today. 1851 01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:18.600 All right, but remember all huge Brown's fault, All honorable men, Spence, 1852 01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:21.520 all belong to the same drive. 1853 01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:23.600 This is very true and it's very well put. 1854 01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:24.079 Gentlemen. 1855 01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:28.680 Always a pleasure. Have a great cit Gordon. Okay, we'll 1856 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:31.840 see you guys soon. Aaron falk Joints just coming up next. 1857 01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:33.840 We'll see why he hasn't posted Gordon's latest piece, So 1858 01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:35.479 keep it here on ESPN seven hundred. 1859 01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:38.039 Did Aaron ask for this? Yeah? 1860 01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:42.159 All right, that's what I thought, indeed, we've got to 1861 01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:44.640 give away. Do we need to talk about coming up 1862 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:47.359 a little bit. We won't do that now because it 1863 01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:51.039 would be in poor taste. I'll explain later. Aaron Falk, 1864 01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:54.239 Saltiltate Tribune, Well played, sir, Happy Thursday. 1865 01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.560 Hey, happy Thursday, Spence. I got it. I gotta say 1866 01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:00.800 really quick. Uh, one of the old the oldest I've 1867 01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:02.439 ever felt in a sports world. 1868 01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:03.520 I thought. 1869 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:06.079 I thought was watching Chipper Jones retire, someone that I 1870 01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:08.600 grew up loving, and I'm watching this at a bar 1871 01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:11.880 and it's his last game. I'm like, I feel something. 1872 01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:15.439 But I'll say, listening to the commercial breaks and listening 1873 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.279 to Emma Smith on behalf of Depends dropped me to 1874 01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:21.520 my need is now I feel a billion. 1875 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:25.760 Oh man, I need you that today. Thank you, sir. 1876 01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.199 That combined with the bump man, you're coming in off 1877 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:31.600 the top, rub coming in hot man. I appreciate the time. 1878 01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:35.960 All right, Aaron, Let's start with a very eventful Saturday 1879 01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:39.680 night in Salt Lake City. Last Saturday is bringing me 1880 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:42.439 young rolled up to Saltake and went down to Provo 1881 01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:45.239 with a win in their back pocket. They're now undefeated. 1882 01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:48.199 You know what let's just get right to the good stuff. 1883 01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:52.279 The holding call has been hotly debated. I don't think 1884 01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:55.159 it's something that can be summarized with one reductive statement, 1885 01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:56.760 like black or white in a vacuum. 1886 01:28:56.840 --> 01:28:58.000 Yes, letter of the law. 1887 01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:01.119 That is a foul and b YU fan will simply 1888 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:01.920 latch onto that. 1889 01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:04.199 And that's not wrong. I want to be clear. 1890 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:05.520 I'm not saying that it is, but it is a 1891 01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:07.920 little bit more complex and nuanced. I thought Joel Klatt 1892 01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:10.520 did a good job of equating it to a strike 1893 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:14.199 zone in baseball, where when the yump establishes what he's 1894 01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:17.800 going to call that game, it kind of mandates you 1895 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:20.600 to adjust your swing to that strike zone. But what 1896 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:23.439 what was your takeaway from the holding call heard around 1897 01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:24.600 the world that's Saturday night. 1898 01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:28.239 Yeah, I mean, I think I'm in that camp of 1899 01:29:28.640 --> 01:29:31.119 you know, you look at you look at it, and 1900 01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:34.520 you see, you know, you read the rule and you see, 1901 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:36.840 you know, once once a receiver is pass the point 1902 01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:38.920 of being blocked and you see an arm extended like that, 1903 01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:41.840 you put yourself in position to have that that flag 1904 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:44.399 thrown right like you know, Well, one day we can 1905 01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:46.760 talk about the appearance of evil and the need to 1906 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:50.640 avoid it, right, But when you get into that situation, 1907 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:53.119 if if in fact, and I'm not smart enough nor 1908 01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:55.800 did I pay close enough attention to know truly how 1909 01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:59.880 how many times or that that play happened and wasn't. 1910 01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:04.000 But clearly Kyle whitting amfields that that is a situation 1911 01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:07.960 that they were allowed to get away with, not just 1912 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:10.479 in this game, but you know, in sort of Big 1913 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:12.560 twelve play throughout the year. He said, there's there is 1914 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:16.000 a difference between pac full officiating and Big twelve officiating 1915 01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.079 in that regard. And to do that in a moment 1916 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:22.960 where you know the game is on the line, you're 1917 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:26.720 you're the largest crowd in stadium history is celebrating and 1918 01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:29.760 you have to do it again, That's that is gutting. 1919 01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:34.439 So I understand the frustration, and I understand the gloating 1920 01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:36.399 on the other side. I mean, man, it is It's 1921 01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:38.880 truly one of those things where it goes your way 1922 01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:41.560 and you know you are we are a big believer 1923 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:44.760 in in backing the referees and it doesn't and we 1924 01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:46.960 hate them all. I mean, it's it's it is truly 1925 01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:49.560 just dependent on your personal bias at this. 1926 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.960 Point, Yeah, one hundred percent and that will color the 1927 01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.560 judgment of fans, for sure. I try to exist in 1928 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:56.640 the space of being a little bit agnostic when it 1929 01:30:56.640 --> 01:30:58.439 comes to doing the show so I can accurately do 1930 01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:01.119 the job. And I like you, I get the frustration 1931 01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:04.520 of the utes, and I get the elation of the 1932 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:05.319 cougars for sure. 1933 01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:08.680 But let's move over to what happened Aaron. After the game. 1934 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:11.920 I was there, saw you and our guy ck up 1935 01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:13.760 in the press box, and went down, watched the rest 1936 01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:17.239 of the game on the sideline and went and said 1937 01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:19.239 hello to Keladi and a Rod everybody after the game, 1938 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:22.279 offer my congratulations, and then kind of took the scene 1939 01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:24.880 in dodging water bottles as I was right in front 1940 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:26.800 of the must a lot of water bottles being thrown, 1941 01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.159 And as I'm making my way home walking across campus, 1942 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:34.800 my phone just blows up and all the messages were 1943 01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:37.760 did you hear what Mark Harlan just said? And I said, no, 1944 01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:40.399 I'm walking home, And so somebody sent me the link 1945 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:43.239 to the social video and I watched it and I went, oh, no, 1946 01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:46.119 he is going to be in so much trouble based 1947 01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:48.760 off of what appears to be a pretty no nonsense 1948 01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:50.720 guy and Brett Yormark, the commissioner of the Big Twelve, 1949 01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:53.239 and I actually Aaron thought forty k and a public 1950 01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:58.399 reprimand was a good outcome when you question the integrity 1951 01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:00.880 of the league and you use term like they stole 1952 01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:02.680 it from us. I thought I'd wake up to a 1953 01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:05.920 voice recording of Mark Harlan asking Brett, you or Mark 1954 01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:08.680 to find him two more points. So it was not 1955 01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:10.920 a great look for the ad who, in my experience, 1956 01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:12.079 is a measured smart guy. 1957 01:32:12.119 --> 01:32:13.479 I wonder what your takeaways were. 1958 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:18.279 Yeah, I mean I I was sitting in the you know, 1959 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:21.800 in the press box high above the field. Audio is 1960 01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:24.199 pumping in all and so I'm not in that room. 1961 01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:26.119 All of a sudden, you just hear the words I've 1962 01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:29.119 been an athletic bread for twelve years, and my fingers 1963 01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:31.760 took over and I'm just writing this quote down as 1964 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:34.520 fast as possible because I know what's coming is going 1965 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:39.479 to be something extremely interesting, right. I think this was 1966 01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:42.640 a stunner, And you know, you look around and there 1967 01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:44.119 are just so many takes where it's like, I've never 1968 01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:47.760 I have not seen an athletic record do this, you know, 1969 01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:50.319 It's just it's so rare, and I think you're you're 1970 01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:54.600 spot on to use those where it's stolen it those 1971 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:59.239 are it's just inflammatory. And the thing that I'm still 1972 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:05.800 scratching my head about a little bit and wondering, you 1973 01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:08.800 know what brett yor Mark really feels about all this 1974 01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:11.520 is the is that line you know, we were happy 1975 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:13.079 to be in the Big twelve and tonight we're not. 1976 01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:18.239 And and what whatever you want to say that we've 1977 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:21.159 we've heard for a decade how bad packed pub officiating 1978 01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:24.199 was right and and now you know, if we want 1979 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:28.920 to talk about maybe maybe this is inconsistent Big twelve officiating. 1980 01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:32.399 But this is a to me, I'm I'm still scratching 1981 01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:34.359 my head that this is a Big twelve problem in 1982 01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:39.359 the eyes of Mark Harlan and and what that actually means. 1983 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:41.399 And I'm trying to unpack that. And I'm not sure 1984 01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:44.640 I have my answer yet. But I can see that 1985 01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:49.399 line in particular, doing a lot of public relations damage 1986 01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:54.600 for the university. Uh and it spans nation, you know, 1987 01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:58.039 at least in truck stop country, as it is a 1988 01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:00.079 lot of a lot of public relations. 1989 01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:03.359 Damn sure. And it also does not help the narrative. 1990 01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:06.319 And I don't live online, but I certainly am a 1991 01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:08.520 human who does this for a living, so you have 1992 01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:11.520 to stay plugged in to some extent. And I think 1993 01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:15.159 it's very fair to say that several members of the 1994 01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:18.479 Utah fan base were very how shall I say, confidence 1995 01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:20.840 about year one of the Big Twelve, and probably with 1996 01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:23.359 merit because this team was picked to win the conference 1997 01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:26.560 by Vegas and the media and others. But that brought 1998 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:30.239 a lot of pushback from other people in the conference 1999 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:33.159 about the narrative that you think you're too good for us, 2000 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:34.920 you think you should be in the Big Ten, but 2001 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:38.560 you're not, and this is a necessary home for Utah 2002 01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:41.760 until the next shift happens. And then when Mark says 2003 01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:45.119 something like that, I just think it furthers the narrative 2004 01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:48.319 that is permeating throughout the Big Twelve that Utah thinks 2005 01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:49.880 they're too good for that conference. 2006 01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:52.960 And you add to the fact they have one conference win. 2007 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:56.920 It's just you know, the Utah right now taking someone 2008 01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:57.960 else in that direction. 2009 01:34:58.000 --> 01:34:58.840 What are your thoughts on that? 2010 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:01.760 Yeah, I mean no doubt and and I guess to 2011 01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:03.720 go back to it, and and you know, I think 2012 01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:06.439 you could you could break this down in a in 2013 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:09.079 a level of conspiracy theory and and and we tried 2014 01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:12.199 to reach out to UH to mister Harlan to get 2015 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:15.319 some some more information on what he meant here. You know, 2016 01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:17.119 I think maybe maybe you can get some more. But 2017 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:21.479 I mean, if it's a big twelve issue, is it 2018 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:25.279 refereeing consistency or is it a big twelve issue that 2019 01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:28.479 a conference leading team is getting set up better to 2020 01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.279 be to be better positioned for a college football playoff spot. 2021 01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:33.960 I mean, I can see how some conspiracy theorists go 2022 01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:36.520 down a very deep and scary rabbit hole. And that's 2023 01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:40.079 that's where I'm really really like questioning what that means. 2024 01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:43.479 Yeah, that's a really good point, actually, really good angle 2025 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:46.000 to take, because I you just try to take him 2026 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:48.079 out his word and then give him the benefit of 2027 01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:50.359 the doubt, because we certainly all deserve that. And I've 2028 01:35:50.359 --> 01:35:52.760 had emotional moments in my life where I'd very much 2029 01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:55.159 like a do over. I want to ask you one 2030 01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:57.960 more thing about this, though, because I honestly, Aaron, from 2031 01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:01.199 the minute I heard it Saturday night, I have just 2032 01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:04.560 been thinking about his why why would you do that? 2033 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:08.640 You didn't have to ads don't do that? Is it 2034 01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:12.079 showing his head coach that he has his back. Is 2035 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:15.239 it really believing to your point that something doesn't smell 2036 01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:15.720 right here? 2037 01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.720 Like if you're a smart guy. 2038 01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:21.840 Like if I guess the simplest explanation, emotional after a 2039 01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:25.039 loss five straight l's heat of the moment, robbery game 2040 01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:29.520 stuff from you know, the scale of simply emotional to 2041 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.880 all the way on the other side of maybe something's 2042 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:34.640 afoot here. Why do you think he decided to take 2043 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:35.640 that that approach? 2044 01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:39.680 Yeah, I mean, you know, and so I'll walk it 2045 01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:42.039 back and be you know, more more measured now here. 2046 01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:46.000 But I think you the most likely outcome in any 2047 01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:49.880 in any situation is we are emotional beings. This guy 2048 01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:53.880 was pissed off, right, and and that's the only reason 2049 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:58.239 that you see him walking onto the field in the 2050 01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:02.800 run of play and drawing that penalty. This is why 2051 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:06.640 you you know, you see him, you know, sometime after 2052 01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:10.079 having at least enough time to pause and and and 2053 01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:13.279 maybe have somebody say don't do this, to still be 2054 01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:16.760 that fired up. I mean, he was clearly, clearly, clearly angry. 2055 01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:21.399 I think that's the most likely you know, are we 2056 01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:23.199 are we just sending a message or are we just 2057 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:25.840 venting that? This has been a very tough year and 2058 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:27.680 in this moment when you think you have a chance 2059 01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:31.600 to you know, save your season a little bit, that 2060 01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:34.560 everything just boils over and that that's probably the most 2061 01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:38.600 likely outcome. I don't know that it's as conspiracy conspiratorialism 2062 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:42.840 as maybe it could be, but nevertheless, like wow, like 2063 01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:45.239 a few people could have stopped him, he could have 2064 01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:46.840 stopped himself, and here we are. 2065 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:51.720 Yeah yeah, and uh, you know, the news cycle will 2066 01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:55.000 move on and people will hone in on something else. 2067 01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:57.000 I do think in ten years there and this will 2068 01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.319 be known as the Mark Carlin game. You know we 2069 01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:02.520 we we often label these games with a Beck to Harlene, 2070 01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:05.960 a fourth and eighteen, a Brandon Burton block, a Brett Ratliffe. 2071 01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:06.279 Crazy. 2072 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:08.199 Get this in ten years has to be the Mark 2073 01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:09.199 Carlin Knight, doesn't it? 2074 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.600 Oh no, no doubt about it. I mean, and and 2075 01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:16.399 that is you know, I'll say this, We can will 2076 01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:19.159 break this down with a with a level of of 2077 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:23.600 of seriousness and scrutiny as we should right now. And 2078 01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:26.640 it is absolutely the thing that becomes lore that that 2079 01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:30.239 makes uh college football something that we that we care 2080 01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:33.039 about and and focus on because there are moments like 2081 01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:36.600 this there are there are emotions like this there. You know, 2082 01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:40.479 the stakes are this high in Mark Carland's mind even 2083 01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:43.279 in a season like that, and that that's why ultimately 2084 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:46.239 we care, why fans care, why anybody's in that stadium. 2085 01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:48.039 What is your I don't know. 2086 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:50.239 I was going to say, what's your favorite part of 2087 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:52.760 the off field dynamic of that week? But what are 2088 01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:55.000 what are some of the things you're You're a local, 2089 01:38:55.079 --> 01:38:57.840 you're a resident. You are an aggie, not a cougar 2090 01:38:57.960 --> 01:38:59.800 or a youth. So you're a bit agnostic in a 2091 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:03.039 way where I think you'd have a measured approach to 2092 01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:07.199 the question, because the off field stuff, to me has 2093 01:39:07.239 --> 01:39:10.239 always been so fascinating when it comes to Utah BYU 2094 01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:13.159 football specifically and the week leading up and then the 2095 01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:17.039 reaction afterwards, because you've got a BYU fan base that 2096 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:20.119 so badly wants the moral high ground all the time 2097 01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:23.199 that after the game you're getting tweets about send me 2098 01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:26.239 every video of a youth fan that said anything bad 2099 01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:28.279 to you, and we'll post it and we'll call them out. 2100 01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:30.439 And then you've got like the other side of youth 2101 01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:33.399 fans that want to call out the piousness and the judgmental, 2102 01:39:33.399 --> 01:39:36.560 holier than that latitude of the BYU fans and we're 2103 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:40.479 all this really weird, you know, extended family that probably 2104 01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:42.760 has a lot of dysfunction. And I do think at 2105 01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:44.520 the end of the day there's respect and love between 2106 01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:46.479 the coaching staffs and the programs. But what are some 2107 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:50.279 of the elements about this week and this thing off 2108 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:51.720 the field that stand out most of you? 2109 01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:55.680 Oh, I mean, I think just that it does create 2110 01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:59.760 those types of bonds you know, within and we can 2111 01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:02.640 you know, debate how healthy it is from time to time. 2112 01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:07.720 But just the fact that you know, you you went, 2113 01:40:07.880 --> 01:40:09.920 you went to the U. I'm sure you look across 2114 01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:11.880 you know, you don't you don't have this bond because 2115 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.479 you shared chemistry cross with somebody, right like you don't 2116 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:17.960 have you don't have this bond just because of of 2117 01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:22.079 that moment like this, uh, like the game itself and 2118 01:40:22.600 --> 01:40:26.399 what that means is is so is so responsible for 2119 01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:31.520 the like the love that so many people have for 2120 01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:34.640 their college experience that I mean, I think it's it's 2121 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.920 a just so it's incredibly cool how powerful that is. 2122 01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:40.479 Now sometimes it's a bit scary, but I think, you know, 2123 01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:42.880 just just to know that there's something like that has 2124 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:46.680 that kind of ability. Is is awesome. And then you know, 2125 01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:49.720 I mean there there are so many like dumb and 2126 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:54.159 and and good quality rivalry things happen, and like credit 2127 01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:57.439 credit to the latter day sayings, so like that, put 2128 01:40:57.520 --> 01:41:00.840 the score up in the in the hymns on Sunday afterwards, 2129 01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:04.840 and are and are bringing our bringing smack talk to 2130 01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:07.720 the pulpit in the name of the Lord. That is 2131 01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:09.520 so funny. I'm sorry, it is, it is. 2132 01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:12.000 It's awesome. The whole thing is hilarious to me. 2133 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.199 It's you know, and when you kind of remove the 2134 01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:16.800 emotion and just more mostly observed the whole thing, it 2135 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:18.399 really is a fun week. And I thought it was 2136 01:41:18.439 --> 01:41:20.840 a fun game. All right, let me move over here. 2137 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.439 So I did not know who Brandon Rose's mother was 2138 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:27.439 untel today, so shout out to I think it's Laurie Rose, 2139 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:31.399 Laura Lynn something like that, she said. I And I'm 2140 01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:35.039 sure the folks up at the Utah Football facility are 2141 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:38.239 just thrilled about this today because she sent out a 2142 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:40.079 tweet that said prayers for Brandon please. 2143 01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:42.399 This is Brandon Rose's mother via social media. 2144 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:44.760 He'll be having surgery today and Saturday night's game in 2145 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.319 the second quarter, just before halftime, he tore his Liz 2146 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:50.439 Frank ligament. They gave him heavy pain meds and a 2147 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:53.800 steel plated insul so he could continue playing. The doctor 2148 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.000 couldn't believe he was really even able to walk. This 2149 01:41:56.119 --> 01:42:00.000 is extremely painful and your foot is totally unstable. Fortunately, 2150 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:02.079 with surgery, he'll make a full recovery and come back 2151 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:02.920 stronger than ever. 2152 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:04.920 I'll be with him in Utah for a few days 2153 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:05.319 out bout. 2154 01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:08.359 We appreciate the calls, text messages and support now in 2155 01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:11.600 the order of fairness. Earlier in the show, I received 2156 01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:14.680 the message from a source who will remain unnamed, saying 2157 01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:16.680 he did not get shot up, nor did he get 2158 01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:20.199 any pain meds, nor has any athlete ever received pain 2159 01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:23.199 medication opioids to return to the sport at the University 2160 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:26.800 of Utah. He received an anti inflammatory pill and he 2161 01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:29.520 did not have a fracture. And I'll just say that 2162 01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:33.479 that's coming from somebody who would absolutely know. So what's 2163 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:36.359 your reaction to this That apparently it was a second 2164 01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:39.399 quarter injury. They marched him out there, played in the 2165 01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:43.159 second half. Maybe explains the anemic offensive performance in the 2166 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:45.439 second half, but obviously this is something that broke today 2167 01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:46.800 air and give me your thoughts. 2168 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:50.039 Yeah, well, I will say this like one thing that 2169 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:52.880 I always have to do in moments like this, and 2170 01:42:54.359 --> 01:42:56.760 it's hard and it takes a little bit of time. 2171 01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.199 It's like, I truly don't know if this is Brandon Resimm. 2172 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:03.560 It probably is, but I have no like other other 2173 01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:06.640 than than someone saying that they are. That's the only 2174 01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:09.560 like I followed that account because I have never like 2175 01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:12.199 had an interaction with that before. So I'm trying, you know, 2176 01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:14.279 we're I think we're all trying to figure things out 2177 01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:16.600 in real time. And like I said, very very likely 2178 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:18.680 that it is. Uh, you know, I don't have any 2179 01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:20.359 any specific reason to doubt it at the moment, but 2180 01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:22.000 like I always kind of come from a place of doubt, 2181 01:43:22.039 --> 01:43:25.000 So I don't know. Part two, Uh, I am curious, 2182 01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:26.479 and I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that that you've 2183 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:28.960 got that from from a source, because I am curious 2184 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:33.439 exactly how extensive you know, a halftime evaluation is in 2185 01:43:33.479 --> 01:43:35.520 that moment, Like and just to say that there's no 2186 01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:37.920 fracture would mean in my mind that there was an 2187 01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.680 X ray right, Like there was something something done to 2188 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:43.760 to to prove where we are, because I think the 2189 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:48.359 reality is, you know, you look at these guys and 2190 01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:52.199 and you know, it is a sport that breeds warrior mindset, right, 2191 01:43:52.239 --> 01:43:54.359 and you're supposed to push through. Not only that, but 2192 01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:56.600 you have a ton of adrenaline, you have a lot 2193 01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:59.000 of peer pressure to go out and do it. So 2194 01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:02.039 and and and probably a desire. I mean, Brandon Rose 2195 01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:05.640 has been waiting a very long time to be a 2196 01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:08.600 quarterback at that plays for the University of Utah, right 2197 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:10.840 and here he is in the middle of his moment 2198 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:17.319 playing well, and he's probably not incentivized to say, hey, 2199 01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:19.079 you know what, I don't think I can go back 2200 01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:20.600 out there because he doesn't want. 2201 01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:21.079 To lose his job. 2202 01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:23.359 He doesn't he doesn't want to lose that moment. So, 2203 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:26.760 you know, do I I think it's it's probably imperfect 2204 01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:29.079 on a lot of levels. Do I think somebody was 2205 01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:32.600 saying Brandon, I don't care, suck it up, go out 2206 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:35.479 there and do it. Maybe not as much as as 2207 01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:39.359 it is just internalized by the entire setup of you know, 2208 01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:43.800 here I am, I have my moment. I cannot say 2209 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:46.159 take me out right, And so when he doesn't look 2210 01:44:46.319 --> 01:44:49.319 If he goes through those checks and he's saying he's 2211 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:53.319 gonna he's gonna go and he doesn't look bad, then 2212 01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:55.640 I think you have to be like, you know that 2213 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:58.199 that makes sense. It makes sense that that that happens 2214 01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:00.600 from time to time. The one that you know, I think, 2215 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:03.039 I feel like just kind of eye test wise, rising 2216 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:05.439 against Arizona State was one where we're like, maybe he 2217 01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:07.520 says he can go, but I test here says this 2218 01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:08.399 is not working. 2219 01:45:08.479 --> 01:45:08.680 Right. 2220 01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:10.600 That's that's more of a head scratcher to me than 2221 01:45:11.039 --> 01:45:13.479 than maybe the Brandon Road situation. But again, I don't 2222 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:15.640 know all the ins and outs what happened in that 2223 01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:16.479 medical check or not? 2224 01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:18.640 All right, buddy, before I say you loose, what was 2225 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:20.479 it like introducing the children to Gordon? 2226 01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:23.920 You know what? 2227 01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:30.800 They love them, They you know Gordon. Gordon brings a 2228 01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:34.920 some some great historical knowledge and he doesn't take himself 2229 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.560 too seriously and he's down to help them out. Like 2230 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:39.600 that's that is the beautiful thing. I think a lot 2231 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:41.680 of people that have done these jobs for a long 2232 01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:43.880 time and all of a sudden you get some eager, 2233 01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:48.439 you know, twenty two year old who maybe you know 2234 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:51.079 know or think they know things that maybe they don't 2235 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:52.760 or whatever. It could it could reb you the wrong way. 2236 01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:54.680 Gordon is there to help out and it's awesome. 2237 01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:56.720 Gotta love it. I buddy, appreciate the time. Have a 2238 01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:57.199 good weekend. 2239 01:45:57.239 --> 01:45:58.359 Okay, hey, you too. 2240 01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:01.000 Take care On Falk, editor of the sports section of 2241 01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:03.279 the Salt Lake Tribune, and get him on Twitter at 2242 01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:05.000 Aaron Falk is where you find him. 2243 01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:07.319 And he's got two a's in Aaron, So check that out. 2244 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:13.079 Jazz MAVs tonight. It's the only game in the NBA. 2245 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:16.239 I do not know why. I'm sure there's a reason. 2246 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:19.880 I guess I could have done research to explain it 2247 01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:22.279 to the listeners, as it is my job as the 2248 01:46:22.279 --> 01:46:23.279 host to know these things. 2249 01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:24.520 You know what. 2250 01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:27.199 Just maybe we're just spotlighting the two top teams in 2251 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:27.720 the league. 2252 01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:27.920 At the moment. 2253 01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:30.800 That's not no good. Guess do you have any idea 2254 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:32.720 why Jazz MAVs is the only game in the NBA 2255 01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:35.199 to know, no idea at all. So you didn't do 2256 01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:36.359 the research either, I did not. 2257 01:46:36.479 --> 01:46:36.800 Okay. 2258 01:46:37.319 --> 01:46:40.279 By the way, typically the Drive at five is powered 2259 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:43.000 by lahm Ford. But we're about to say good night, 2260 01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:45.199 so shout out to my friends at Larry H. 2261 01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:46.479 Miller in Draper, the. 2262 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:50.359 Ford King, Utah's number one volume Ford dealer, and we'll 2263 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:53.279 beat any trade in price in town by seven hundred 2264 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:55.960 and fifty dollars anytime any day. Find us online at 2265 01:46:56.079 --> 01:46:59.359 lhmfod Draper dot com. 2266 01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:01.720 Some person news. 2267 01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:03.680 You ready, I'm always ready. 2268 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:09.960 I'm out. I'm done. I've had it. Well, it's it. 2269 01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:10.600 It was a good run. 2270 01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.600 Yeah, it was a good run. Eighteen years. Wow. Yeah, 2271 01:47:13.640 --> 01:47:15.800 and uh, I'm done. I'm over it. You will no 2272 01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:18.239 longer hear me doing this job starting tomorrow. 2273 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:19.319 How long. 2274 01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:22.479 Well, I'm gonna talk to some people. 2275 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:24.520 I'm gonna kick the tires, talk to some friends and 2276 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:29.640 family and you know, potentially reevaluate the situation over the weekend, 2277 01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:31.520 and I might return. 2278 01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:32.239 On Wednesday of next week. 2279 01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:33.960 That sounds maybe, that sounds fun. 2280 01:47:34.279 --> 01:47:35.720 But for now, I'm done. I've had it. 2281 01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:37.800 Right, it's over sabbatical of some kind. 2282 01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:41.800 I haven't had a day off since July. That's the 2283 01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:43.119 last time I took a day off. 2284 01:47:43.399 --> 01:47:45.720 Every day's a day off when you enjoy what you're doing. 2285 01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:47.840 Oh, this is a fake job, let's be clear. But 2286 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:52.640 you know, some time away, Rivalry week Reaction week. 2287 01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:53.479 It's a lot. 2288 01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.680 It's a lot, and uh yeah, I'm gonna go play 2289 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:57.439 a little golf man. I'm gonna go little sun. So 2290 01:47:57.520 --> 01:48:00.800 you'll hear Porter and Tony Parks on the show tomorrow 2291 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:03.760 and then as of right now, it's Porter and Scott 2292 01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:08.520 Mitchell on Tuesday. There we go, and we're working on Monday. 2293 01:48:08.680 --> 01:48:10.840 But nothing set in stone. It was gonna be Scott. 2294 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:13.640 He's got some stuff going on. So before we make 2295 01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:17.960 way for a little Utah women's basketball is the Utah 2296 01:48:18.039 --> 01:48:20.359 women are taking on Northwestern on the road. What comes 2297 01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:23.479 our listeners way on a Porter Power Hour Friday show. 2298 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:26.199 There you go on a Friday Spence, it'll be as 2299 01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:28.640 you mentioned, Tony Parks and I always fun chat with 2300 01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:32.359 my guy. So Tony Parks, Tony Jones will stop by, 2301 01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:35.319 Richard Smithy Smith will stop by. So we'll do some 2302 01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:38.920 hoops to start off the show, and then Scott Mitchell 2303 01:48:39.159 --> 01:48:42.920 will join the program live from Boulder ahead of of 2304 01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:47.479 course Colorado and Utah, So we'll cover all of our bases, 2305 01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:49.520 talk some hoops, and then turn it over to some utes. 2306 01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:53.720 Working on another college football guest for the afternoon as well. 2307 01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:56.199 But as you know, when it's Tony Parks and I 2308 01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:58.479 we kind of go all over the map. 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