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Speaker 6: All right, what's going on? It is drivetime on a
Speaker 6: Thursday afternoon. It's about eleven minutes past the hour of
Speaker 6: two o'clock. It is a gorgeous day, man, beautiful day outside,
Speaker 6: about fifty three degrees and sunny here in downtown Salt
Speaker 6: Lake City, Utah. And as it is every single day,
Speaker 6: it's gonna have you along for the rise. Spence Jackets
Speaker 6: found the mic. That's Quarter Larsen behind the glass today
Speaker 6: producing the program.
Speaker 7: We've got a little bit of a short show today.
Speaker 6: We'll say good night out about four forty as opposed
Speaker 6: to six o'clock when we usually bid you a good
Speaker 6: evening for Utah Women's basketball Utah at Northwest during this evening.
Speaker 6: We had Lynn Roberts on the show this week to
Speaker 6: preview that game and talk a little Utah women's hoops,
Speaker 6: So stay tuned for that. But in between now and then,
Speaker 6: we have a lot to do on the show. Week eleven,
Speaker 6: Pro football gets rolling tonight. Typically you'd hear that game
Speaker 6: on our radio station, but Utah women's basketball will be
Speaker 6: on the station tonight as opposed to the Commanders and
Speaker 6: the Eagles live in Philly at Lincoln Financial Field. The
Speaker 6: Eagles are a four point favorite this evening. So some
Speaker 6: Thursday night football for you guys. Utah Jazz are in
Speaker 6: action this evening. They're taking on the Dallas Mavericks at
Speaker 6: the Delta Center. That's gonna be a seven o'clock tip time.
Speaker 6: It's on NBA TV. I'm not sure what the streaming
Speaker 6: situation is. These days with jazz basketball. I watch it
Speaker 6: on k Jazz, but a little jazz basketball lit NBA
Speaker 6: on the show today. The NBA up rolls along, sold
Speaker 6: you some jazz and some MBA on the show today.
Speaker 6: Of course, we are high speed ahead to the weekend
Speaker 6: in college football that includes a couple of really big
Speaker 6: games on the local level with BYU welcoming in Kansas
Speaker 6: to Lavelle Edwards Stadium for a late kick on Saturday night.
Speaker 6: That's going to be an eight to fifteen kick. It
Speaker 6: is on ESPN, and this has been an interesting line
Speaker 6: to follow. It's been an interesting game to kind of
Speaker 6: prepare for. It's off oscillated a little bit. It's settled
Speaker 6: in at two point five as of right now. BYU
Speaker 6: a very slight favorite at home, and right now the
Speaker 6: game time forecast is about thirty two degrees, so it's
Speaker 6: going to be called down in Provo for the first
Speaker 6: situation for Kansas actually played BYU and Provo.
Speaker 7: It's never happened before.
Speaker 6: So that's a big game, as we've talked about, with
Speaker 6: BYU moving up to six, and the CFP Utah hits
Speaker 6: the road in Boulder for an early game to be
Speaker 6: ten o'clock Mountain time on Saturday, and that line has
Speaker 6: stayed at eleven point five for about twenty four hours.
Speaker 6: Looks like it's gonna be a nice day in Boulder,
Speaker 6: about forty eight degrees in sunny for kickoff at ten
Speaker 6: a m. Pregame coverage for that game on our station
Speaker 6: will be in at six am with Porter Larsen and
Speaker 6: Jordan win Bright and early on a Saturday morning.
Speaker 7: So college football.
Speaker 6: Almost here for the weekend and only a few games
Speaker 6: left man, and then the season will be behind us
Speaker 6: in the.
Speaker 7: World of college football.
Speaker 6: Nice win for the Utah Hockey Club last night, in fact,
Speaker 6: one of probably the best wins they've had all year,
Speaker 6: bouncing back beating a really good Carolina Hurricanes team for one.
Speaker 6: They're back in action tomorrow, taking on the Vegas Golden
Speaker 6: Knights at the Delta Center.
Speaker 7: They'll be here in Salt Lake.
Speaker 6: So a little hockey on the show today, a little
Speaker 6: bit of everything on the show today. Interesting article in
Speaker 6: The Athletic about adults complaining about officiating. Yeah, our guy
Speaker 6: Mark Carlin's taking it this week. Man, it seems like
Speaker 6: every day that kind of passes somebody else to write
Speaker 6: a piece on it. And so we'll get to some
Speaker 6: of that on the program today as well, the latest
Speaker 6: on the transfer portal for Utah football, the latest on
Speaker 6: the help of the roster of Utah football, and we'll
Speaker 6: kind of move in that direction on a Thursday with
Speaker 6: a good guest list we'll start with a voice himself,
Speaker 6: Bill Riley.
Speaker 7: Joins us as our first guest.
Speaker 6: Coming up in just about fifteen minutes from right now,
Speaker 6: we'll catch up with the Ryles Big Show. Big Hour,
Speaker 6: brought to you by our friends at Big O' Tires,
Speaker 6: features Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Montsen live in studio
Speaker 6: for some jazz and some college football. Our buddy Aaron
Speaker 6: Falk from the Salt Lake Tribune rolls by, coming up
Speaker 6: just after four o'clock today, and then we'll say good nights. Yeah,
Speaker 6: just about four forty for Utah women's basketball as they
Speaker 6: take on Northwestern. So Bill Riley, Craig Bowlerjack, Gordon Mounts,
Speaker 6: and Aaron Falk, Me Spence check, ats all of you,
Speaker 6: the great listeners. Happy Thursday to you, almost to the weekend.
Speaker 6: That young man, his name Porter Larson. He produces this
Speaker 6: show on a Thursday afternoon. All right, I was talking
Speaker 6: to Sean during cross Talk about you know, and look,
Speaker 6: there have been players that have a couple of players
Speaker 6: have already left the program.
Speaker 7: Jalen Glover Pittman.
Speaker 6: You know, obviously there are rumors about the health of
Speaker 6: certain players.
Speaker 7: We know the Brandon's out for the year.
Speaker 6: It seems like there's this underlying fear that down the
Speaker 6: stretch we go, there's gonna be some mass exodus for
Speaker 6: Utah football. This feels a little bit like unchartered territory.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know how many times I think
Speaker 6: coach Wood has only lost four straight games three or
Speaker 6: four times in his whole career. I'm not sure how
Speaker 6: many times he's lost five straight. You combine that with
Speaker 6: the massive expectation, it just feels like there are a
Speaker 6: lot of people in the community right now worried about,
Speaker 6: you know, what the rest of the regular season will
Speaker 6: look like for Utah football.
Speaker 7: Are you getting that sense at all?
Speaker 6: Do you feel like this is a team that with
Speaker 6: three games left, understands they can still go bowling and
Speaker 6: play for the pride of the jersey they wear. Do
Speaker 6: you think we're going to see a motivated Utah football
Speaker 6: team the rest of the way.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that, as is the case with every story,
Speaker 5: there's truth kind of in the middle there. Right, this
Speaker 5: is a team that is going to see attrition both
Speaker 5: through the end of the regular season and at the
Speaker 5: transfer portal opening. That's just the reality not only of
Speaker 5: this Utah football team, but of college football as a whole.
Speaker 5: It's something that you're gonna have to get used to.
Speaker 5: Whether you cheer for Utah, whether you cheer for BYU,
Speaker 5: Utah State, whoever it may be. The transfer portal is
Speaker 5: remaining a very big thing in college football until we
Speaker 5: see landscape shifting changes in the way that that is approached.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, you're going to see players that
Speaker 5: post Instagram, thank you Utah, thank you coach Wit for everything,
Speaker 5: for the opportunities, but I'm going to be taking my
Speaker 5: talents elsewhere. You're going to see numerous posts like that
Speaker 5: when the transfer portal opens up. In addition to the
Speaker 5: ones you've already seen, you're going to see probably a
Speaker 5: couple more injury announcements, and you're going to see a
Speaker 5: team that is completely decimated in that regard. But I
Speaker 5: still think based on how they played against BYU, which
Speaker 5: although the result wasn't positive. I think was really really
Speaker 5: energized and physical and motivated. I think they continue that
Speaker 5: at least the guys that you do see on the field,
Speaker 5: and yeah, they'll probably be a collective of guys that
Speaker 5: aren't that motivated. They're they're probably not going to see
Speaker 5: the sideline because Kyle Whittingh is pretty good at sniffing
Speaker 5: that stuff out. So a little bit of both in
Speaker 5: that regard spences as we near the end of the season.
Speaker 5: Hopefully it's an attrition that isn't detrimental to the point
Speaker 5: where we don't get some quality football to end the year.
Speaker 6: Three games left to get too if you want to
Speaker 6: go bowling, So we'll talk to you Top Football as
Speaker 6: they hit the road to take on Colorado today. Bill
Speaker 6: Riley will join us right out of the gates. He's
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Speaker 6: Good piece today in the Athletic one of my favorite spots.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: We talked to c K yesterday Chris Camaradie Liven Studio
Speaker 6: about the old school approach of getting news where you
Speaker 6: actually just went to the source instead of logging onto
Speaker 6: your favorite social media outled and clicking on links that
Speaker 6: are algorithmically I think that's a word if it's not
Speaker 6: just roll with me fed to you as a result
Speaker 6: of what you consume or what they think you'll like.
Speaker 6: So Athletics kind of a one stop shop for me
Speaker 6: in the morning. And Ralph Russo, who I like a
Speaker 6: lot we've had on the show before with a good
Speaker 6: piece today. The headline is as public criticism of college
Speaker 6: football refs heats up, it's on the people in charge
Speaker 6: to stay cool. And the first example that he points
Speaker 6: out is, of course what happened Saturday night when Utah left,
Speaker 6: Director Mark Carlin took to the podium and didn't need to,
Speaker 6: but decided to really go at the officials. And obviously
Speaker 6: we know how the Big Twelve responded. The first sentence
Speaker 6: in the piece is UTA Athletic Director Mark Carlin should
Speaker 6: know better. But as the piece kind of rolls along,
Speaker 6: talks about Kirby Smart complaining about the refs after their win.
Speaker 6: They actually won the game and Kirby was still mad
Speaker 6: about the rescinded pass interference penalty October against Texas, and
Speaker 6: a myriad of other examples, including Kennya Matalolo, who at
Speaker 6: one point was thought to be potentially the next head
Speaker 6: coach of Brigham Young before Kalani got the job. He's
Speaker 6: now with San Jose State, Texas Tech Joey McGuire. There
Speaker 6: are seven or eight different examples in Ralph's Peace of
Speaker 6: coaches and administrators just cracking on officials. And look, if
Speaker 6: you've listened to the show for a long time, you
Speaker 6: know that I'm not going to do a segment standing
Speaker 6: up for refs like I'm not a pro ref guy.
Speaker 6: I don't understand why anybody would want to do that job.
Speaker 6: But oftentimes I do feel like they take the brunt
Speaker 6: of the criticism and the heat, and sometimes it's really
Speaker 6: out of bounds and very unfair. These are people too,
Speaker 6: that sometimes aren't very good at their jobs, just like
Speaker 6: sometimes coaches make bad play calls or have bad rotations,
Speaker 6: just like players drop passes or mis tackles, Officials miss calls.
Speaker 6: And I'm very rarely blamed the rest for a lost guy,
Speaker 6: and I haven't been a blame the rest for the
Speaker 6: loss last Saturday. I do think that call deserves context
Speaker 6: and nuance when being talked about. It's not black or white,
Speaker 6: it's not I think Joel Klatt probably had the best
Speaker 6: breakdown of his opinion of the holding call last week
Speaker 6: in a vacuum letter of the law. Yes, that's a hold,
Speaker 6: and for BYU fans, that's all you need, and I've
Speaker 6: heard all of them all week long, like, yes, but
Speaker 6: that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're looking for
Speaker 6: as a coach or a player when it comes to
Speaker 6: the way the game is called. All you want is consistency,
Speaker 6: and you could essentially call that call pretty much every
Speaker 6: single play on one player or the other. I'm not
Speaker 6: debating the fact that black or white, in a vacuum
Speaker 6: letter of the law, that's the right call. We've all
Speaker 6: seen the replays, We've all seen the BYU bros. With
Speaker 6: a bunch of videos explaining exactly how it went down.
Speaker 7: And I'm not debating that.
Speaker 6: But I do think there's merit to the side of
Speaker 6: the Utah coaching staff and administrators that were frustrated with
Speaker 6: that type of call in that moment that, according to
Speaker 6: you know, the people involved in the game didn't think
Speaker 6: they were getting all game long. I get it, I
Speaker 6: get the frustration, I get the anger, But when it
Speaker 6: comes to, you know, the way that the I guess
Speaker 6: I'll just say the governing bodies and call in charge
Speaker 6: of officiating college football. I think it's probably time to
Speaker 6: take this out of the hands of the conferences. And
Speaker 6: I don't really know what the answer is. Maybe just
Speaker 6: utilize one governing body that's separate from the NCAA, that's
Speaker 6: separate from any conference, like do away with the whole
Speaker 6: because you know, if you guys are Utah football fans.
Speaker 7: You know the deal. For years, what did we hear
Speaker 7: about PAC twelve refs?
Speaker 6: It was always PAC twelve refs, Pack twelve refs, this,
Speaker 6: PAC twelve refs that. And if you're tied to a
Speaker 6: conference and that officiating crew is assigned to a game,
Speaker 6: and will use just a Big twelve as an example.
Speaker 6: If it's a you know, it's a CFP game and
Speaker 6: BYU is hosting Ohio State or something along the lines,
Speaker 6: it's just a hypothetical and Big twelve refs are assigned
Speaker 6: to that game and BYU get some fortunate advantageous calls
Speaker 6: and ends up beating Ohio State. The rallying cry always
Speaker 6: as well, the Big twelve refs. You know they had
Speaker 6: a hand in this because they're employed by the conference, right,
Speaker 6: and so just one governing body, separate from any conference,
Speaker 6: separate from college football, and just allow the refs to
Speaker 6: be in one union with one governing body, And therefore
Speaker 6: you take away the accusations of collusion, and you take
Speaker 6: away the language and the verbiage like it was stolen
Speaker 6: from us. Because ultimately, as Ralph points out in his Peace,
Speaker 6: what happens here when it's the grown ups deciding to
Speaker 6: air their aggrievances about the officiating, they're doing the kids
Speaker 6: a disservice that play for the program, and the messaging
Speaker 6: will seep into the fan base whether you lack it
Speaker 6: or not, so it's worth your time.
Speaker 7: Check it out.
Speaker 6: It is up at the Athletic Ralph Russo wrote it
Speaker 6: today about this kind of permeating thing all season long
Speaker 6: in college football where a lot of people are out
Speaker 6: at the refs and it really is coming mostly from
Speaker 6: the grown ups, the coaches and the administrators. All Right,
Speaker 6: we say goodnight a little early today in time for
Speaker 6: Utah women's basketball. They're on the road taking on Northwestern.
Speaker 6: We had Lynn Roberts on the show this week to
Speaker 6: get you ready for that game.
Speaker 7: We'll say a night about four forty.
Speaker 6: But batting lead off on a Thursday afternoon, the Voice,
Speaker 6: the Voice himself, the Voice of the Utes, Bill Riley
Speaker 6: on a Thursday roles, Happy Thursday, man, How are you doing?
Speaker 9: Spen's doing great? Are you doing that?
Speaker 7: I'm well, I'm well. So I just need you to
Speaker 7: clear up you.
Speaker 6: You clearly intentionally made Sean do the coach the show
Speaker 6: after that loss this week, didn't you.
Speaker 7: That was an intentional move on you? Right?
Speaker 9: I was hoping I could clone myself but basketball instead.
Speaker 9: But yes, I thought Sean. I thought it would be
Speaker 9: a good way for Sean to you get some good
Speaker 9: content for your show.
Speaker 6: No, I like it, obviously I could, but it's been
Speaker 6: been a rough week up on the hill.
Speaker 7: Bill.
Speaker 6: I wondered, just from a thirty thousand foot view, what
Speaker 6: it's like in the building, what it's been like in
Speaker 6: the building this week, and how you feel like the
Speaker 6: guys are holding up well.
Speaker 7: I haven't been.
Speaker 9: Around the team a ton, but I think you know
Speaker 9: they're doing the best they can this week. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's just it's one of most things, Spence, the hits
Speaker 9: just keep on coming. You lose brand Keithy, you lose
Speaker 9: Brandon Rose. Brandon Rose. We find out today is pump
Speaker 9: with a social media for me to post up that
Speaker 9: you know he set with the Liz Frank's Spring in
Speaker 9: the second quarter. I've gotten cramps in my foot before
Speaker 9: from not having enough potassium and you wake up in
Speaker 9: the middle of the night and you're dying. I can't
Speaker 9: imagine what kind of pain that kid was in and
Speaker 9: to cut that out Saturday was pretty spectacular. But it's
Speaker 9: it's tough.
Speaker 3: I mean again, we did.
Speaker 9: It's kind of a common theme every week we talk
Speaker 9: it's another injury, it's another loss. It's not the season
Speaker 9: Utah expected. But you know, you put your head down,
Speaker 9: you put your nose down. I mean, Whittingham's been here before,
Speaker 9: He's not been through five losses in a row before.
Speaker 9: But trying to snap that striegu But it's just I mean,
Speaker 9: at this point in time, you just kind of scratch
Speaker 9: your head and say it wasn't meant to be this
Speaker 9: year because the injury told when everything else are just
Speaker 9: it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 6: So you know, it is Thursday, and ultimately we try
Speaker 6: to move forward and we'll get to Colorado on a moment,
Speaker 6: but I haven't had a chance to catch up with you,
Speaker 6: so we're gonna stay in the space of last Saturday
Speaker 6: for a minute at Riles, And I just got to
Speaker 6: ask you about the call, you know, the holding call.
Speaker 6: It's been debated, it's been discussed, We've talked about it
Speaker 6: all week, and it cannot be summarized with one reductive statement.
Speaker 6: Now BYU fans will say letter of the law, that's
Speaker 6: a hole and that's all they need. Okay, that's fine,
Speaker 6: and that's not necessarily wrong. But I completely understand the
Speaker 6: frustration on the side of Utah coaches and apparently administrators,
Speaker 6: as was made clear after the game, But how did
Speaker 6: you kind of digest that moment when it went down
Speaker 6: and now it's four or five days later, where you
Speaker 6: at with it?
Speaker 9: Well, here's what I'll say. You know, there's no black
Speaker 9: and white here. You know, in all of sports spence,
Speaker 9: whether you're talking about basketball or baseball, or soccer or football,
Speaker 9: you as an athlete based the way you play on
Speaker 9: how officials officiated game. And one of the common demes
Speaker 9: Scott and I have had on broadcast this year, it's
Speaker 9: been amazing the amount of physicality the Big twelve allows
Speaker 9: on the outside. It's a one to eighty from where
Speaker 9: you saw in the Pac twelve. If you looked at
Speaker 9: a at a wide receiver wrong, they were throwing a
Speaker 9: flag on you. It's been a very physical season compared
Speaker 9: to what Utah has played in and that's fine. If
Speaker 9: that's the way you play, that's the way you play.
Speaker 9: It's no different than when I would talk to Jason
Speaker 9: christ or Pablo Mascroini over the years. You know, you
Speaker 9: talk about a referee in the way that they would
Speaker 9: call games and cards and things, They're like, hey, we
Speaker 9: just want to know that how you're calling the game
Speaker 9: in the first five minutes, that's how we set our
Speaker 9: tone for the game. And it's the same thing in basketball,
Speaker 9: which you played at a high level, you know how
Speaker 9: officials are going to call the game. It's no different
Speaker 9: in football. Well, that's how the game has been played
Speaker 9: called all year long. It's been called physically. It's not
Speaker 9: been called physical, it's been physicality has been allowed, and
Speaker 9: it was allowed in that game the other night, both
Speaker 9: ways Utah and BYU. So to see that play was
Speaker 9: their contact. Absolutely there was contact, but it wasn't egregious contact.
Speaker 9: And to echo what Rick Neuheisel said the other day
Speaker 9: with ken Zano and Wilner, it's almost as if you're
Speaker 9: looking for that to make a call and to use
Speaker 9: in another analogy i'd heard, I think Joel Klatt used
Speaker 9: this week, which I think is a great one. In baseball,
Speaker 9: at the strike zone, you set up the way you're
Speaker 9: going to hit based on how the umpire's calling the
Speaker 9: strikes and balls. And I just think the way that
Speaker 9: the game had been called, the way the season's been called,
Speaker 9: that wasn't a flag that was thrown many, if any
Speaker 9: times this year. So but with that being said, Utah
Speaker 9: had opportunities. You didn't score a point in the second half.
Speaker 9: You had the ball at the fifty yard line twice
Speaker 9: late and weren't able to either move the ball or
Speaker 9: get into field goal range. So there's two ways to
Speaker 9: look at it. But I think the call itself was
Speaker 9: a little off based on how the game had been
Speaker 9: called this year.
Speaker 6: And especially in that moment, you know, and it really
Speaker 6: is valid to bring up the fact that Jake Retz
Speaker 6: left wasn't even looking in that direction and he was
Speaker 6: basically in Karen's hands. I mean, it's a tough thing
Speaker 6: to swallow, for sure, but I want to move over
Speaker 6: Ryles because you know, was at the game, fun watching
Speaker 6: on the sidelines with Sean A. Bunchak's hute players, stayed
Speaker 6: for the whole thing afterwards, talked to some people from
Speaker 6: both sides, and then I'm walking home. I think it
Speaker 6: was close to two am, and maybe a little bit earlier,
Speaker 6: but my phone just blows up and it's like, you,
Speaker 6: did you hear what Mark Carlin just said.
Speaker 7: I'm like, no, I'm on my way home.
Speaker 6: So my buddy sends me a link to the social
Speaker 6: media post of the video, and when I heard it,
Speaker 6: I just went, oh, no, Like I thought he was
Speaker 6: going to be in so much trouble Brett Yormark Northeast
Speaker 6: sleeping with the Fishes Commissioner Big twelve. When I heard
Speaker 6: it was forty K and a public reprimand I actually
Speaker 6: was a little bit relieved for Mark, because my experience
Speaker 6: with Mark Carlin is that he's smart, he's measured, he
Speaker 6: doesn't I don't know the man.
Speaker 7: He's not a great friend.
Speaker 6: Of mine, but I've interviewed him probably fifty times, and
Speaker 6: every time I'm at a game, we chat, and it
Speaker 6: just seemed a little bit out of character. So I
Speaker 6: just wondered how you digested that moment and ultimately what
Speaker 6: you think the motivation was.
Speaker 9: Well, I just think it was the emotion of the moment.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's that's really what it was feeling, not
Speaker 9: only the emotion of the moment, but the emotion of
Speaker 9: the season, you know, and seeing how hard the guys
Speaker 9: played and seeing leaving it all out there, considering they
Speaker 9: had lost four games in a row. I just kind
Speaker 9: of I kind of saw it as an emotional moment.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: And you know, ultimately My guess is he'd like a mulligan,
Speaker 6: And believe me, I would like seventy five thousand mulligans
Speaker 6: for the way I've I've handled certain situations. So life
Speaker 6: goes on, and you know, he doesn't deserve to get
Speaker 6: hit over the head with it on a daily basis.
Speaker 6: But a lot of people have been talking about it
Speaker 6: locally and nationally. All right, excuse me, here's a simple
Speaker 6: question with a nuanced answer. How good is byu?
Speaker 7: Bill? How good are they?
Speaker 9: I continue to say it's Spence that is a good
Speaker 9: football team. They are a good football team that again
Speaker 9: doesn't beat themselves, opportunistic when opportunities present themselves. And I
Speaker 9: will say this, they are a team that's pretty resilient too.
Speaker 9: I mean, let's be honest. The game didn't end on
Speaker 9: the holding call. They got ten yards, They still had
Speaker 9: to make plays, they still had to get themselves into
Speaker 9: field goal range. And again I say it all the time,
Speaker 9: when you're a good team and you don't beat yourself,
Speaker 9: sometimes bounces come your way. You know, I'm not sure
Speaker 9: that that but I've never heard definitively, but I'm not
Speaker 9: sure that ball was intended for Chase Roberts I think
Speaker 9: that ball was sailed, and I think it was partially tipped,
Speaker 9: and I don't think he was he was gunning for Chase,
Speaker 9: but Chase Roberts was in the right place at the
Speaker 9: right time and made a heck of a grab near midfield.
Speaker 9: I just think that this is a good football team.
Speaker 9: Are they beatable? Yes, they are. They are beatable. Kansas
Speaker 9: is very talented. If they played the way they played
Speaker 9: last week against Iowa State, they could they could probably
Speaker 9: win that game. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 9: I just I think they're a good football team that
Speaker 9: doesn't beat themselves. I don't know how good they are Spence,
Speaker 9: but they're good enough. And they're undefeated through nine games
Speaker 9: in a conference that's seen a lot of chaos. They've
Speaker 9: been the one team that's avoided the chaos.
Speaker 7: Yep, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: All right, excuse me, So, Micah Pittman takes off Jalen
Speaker 6: Glovers and the transfer portal, and as you referenced earlier,
Speaker 6: this is this is uncharted territory for Utah football under
Speaker 6: Kyle Whittingham. And it's not just five straight losses. It's
Speaker 6: five straight losses combined with the preseason expectations that everybody,
Speaker 6: not just us, this was not a homer take. I
Speaker 6: mean Vegas, the media locally and nationally, everybody thought if
Speaker 6: Utah didn't win the Big Twelve, they'd be right there
Speaker 6: in the end. So I know there's kind of like
Speaker 6: this underlying fear across the community that maybe there's gonna
Speaker 6: be some mass exo this and guys who are just
Speaker 6: gonna quit on the team. I can't collaborate that, but
Speaker 6: we have seen not just in injuries, but not players leaving.
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on just kind of what we'll
Speaker 6: see from this team the rest of the way when
Speaker 6: it comes to how committed they are to playing for
Speaker 6: this program.
Speaker 9: Well, I think you're going to see the guys that
Speaker 9: want to be there play their butts off. I don't
Speaker 9: know what happened to Jalen Glover. I'm sure he didn't
Speaker 9: probably feel like he was getting the playing time that
Speaker 9: he thought he should. I don't know, he hadn't got
Speaker 9: the carries. It's been mostly you know, Mackay Bernard, a
Speaker 9: little bit of Charlie Vincent and some others, Mike Mitchell,
Speaker 9: but I you know, if you're staying around to play here,
Speaker 9: the DNA of what Kyle witting in and you saw
Speaker 9: Saturday night. Those guys played their tails off. It was
Speaker 9: probably the best effort they had given all things considered,
Speaker 9: all year long. It's going to be tough. They've lost
Speaker 9: five games, but I would be very surprised if you
Speaker 9: saw anything but great effort from the guys that stay
Speaker 9: around Again. I don't know what Pittman's story ultimately was.
Speaker 9: I know he put out a social media post. I
Speaker 9: haven't talked to Jalen Glover or probably will I. He's
Speaker 9: chosen to go someplace else. But I would be very
Speaker 9: surprised if you didn't get a great effort Saturday in
Speaker 9: the final two games from this team.
Speaker 6: So as you reference, Brandon Rose out for the season
Speaker 6: with an injury that happened early in the game, which
Speaker 6: is surprising because he actually looked really, really good. And
Speaker 6: so now it's Isaac under center, and now it's Colorado
Speaker 6: on the road. They're an eleven point five point dog
Speaker 6: bill as they head to Boulder. Let's just start on
Speaker 6: the offensive side, because we know that look the defense,
Speaker 6: and one of the things that we'll always look back
Speaker 6: on this year is just an average offense probably puts
Speaker 6: this team right in the mix for a conference championship
Speaker 6: because the defense continues to be the defense were accustomed
Speaker 6: to when it's Kyle and it's Morgan. So Isaac hunder center,
Speaker 6: Colorado's the opponent offensively, what are you looking for just
Speaker 6: kind of early on to indicate maybe they've got a
Speaker 6: shot to put some points on the board.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, the good news is Isaac's got four
Speaker 9: or five six games under his belt. He's played in
Speaker 9: these games, so stepping up and playing is not going
Speaker 9: to be a departure. There's not many guys you can
Speaker 9: go through that would be your quote unquote third quarterback,
Speaker 9: which technically he is second or third quarterback, but he's
Speaker 9: got the experience. I don't think it's markedly different than
Speaker 9: what we saw a week ago. Now we might have
Speaker 9: an insight as to why the offense wasn't quite as
Speaker 9: good in the second half. Now and we find out
Speaker 9: that that, you know, Brandon Rose got hurt late in
Speaker 9: the second quarter, that's according to what his mom said,
Speaker 9: So maybe that changed some things up. I thought some
Speaker 9: of the stuff they did in the first half was terrific.
Speaker 9: Last week. One of those guys that was a big
Speaker 9: part of it was bran Keithy. Well, bran Keithy's now
Speaker 9: done too, But there's guys on the roster that have
Speaker 9: you know, there's there's a resume. Landed King doesn't have
Speaker 9: it this year, but he did last year. You know,
Speaker 9: we've seen maybe we see a little bit more of
Speaker 9: Caleb Lohner saw him at the basketball game the other
Speaker 9: night and he was in pretty good spirits, so maybe
Speaker 9: we see a little bit more of that. Dorian Singer
Speaker 9: still the most productive guy they've had in the past game,
Speaker 9: so I don't think all his lost fense, But I
Speaker 9: will say this Colorado's better defensively than they have been
Speaker 9: in recent years. They're actually playing some pretty good defense,
Speaker 9: So Utah is going to have to score some points
Speaker 9: even if the defense plays really well. That's a good
Speaker 9: offense on the other side, Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter
Speaker 9: and Horn and that whole past game is really really good.
Speaker 9: So as good as the effort was last week, you're
Speaker 9: going to have to get a similar effort defensively, and
Speaker 9: you're probably going to have to find a way to
Speaker 9: score a little bit more than twenty one points on
Speaker 9: the road against that Colorado offense.
Speaker 6: Have you noticed anything specifically or you know, nuanced if
Speaker 6: you want to get into it at all.
Speaker 7: About Mike Bajakian as a play caller.
Speaker 6: Now that we have a couple of, you know, three
Speaker 6: games under our belts with him calling the plays as
Speaker 6: opposed to Andy, is there any thing that stands out
Speaker 6: that makes him a little bit different or unique with
Speaker 6: his play calling style.
Speaker 9: I haven't noticed a great departure from it. I thought
Speaker 9: that they were doing a little bit of play action
Speaker 9: last week that was allowing Brandon Rose to throw the
Speaker 9: ball down the field a little bit more. But I
Speaker 9: haven't noticed any any great departure in scheme. Maybe some
Speaker 9: subtle things, but nothing's that really pops to me.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 6: So you referenced Colorado and of course Shador, who a
Speaker 6: lot of people think might be the you know, one
Speaker 6: of the first players picked in the drafts of not
Speaker 6: number one overall, and if he's not, it might be
Speaker 6: his wide receiver Travis Hunter. But they've got four or
Speaker 6: five wide receiver weapons. It's not just Travis Hunter that
Speaker 6: are all big playmaking threats.
Speaker 7: They don't run the ball very well because they don't
Speaker 7: have to.
Speaker 6: It's a lot of short, intermediate passes their offensive line
Speaker 6: well improved, does allow pressure on the quarterback. As you've
Speaker 6: gone through your prep, what do you most attribute to
Speaker 6: a vastly.
Speaker 7: Improved Colorado team? Coach by Deon Sanders.
Speaker 9: I just think that they are doing a lot of
Speaker 9: what they did. I think he's still been sacked at
Speaker 9: a pretty high rate spence, but not at the same
Speaker 9: rate that he was a year ago. So I think
Speaker 9: the offensive line is a little bit more improved. They
Speaker 9: run it about the same that they did. But but
Speaker 9: I think for me, it's not really a change of
Speaker 9: what they've done offensively. But I think what I was
Speaker 9: saying a minute ago, they're much better defensively, and they're
Speaker 9: they're getting some stops, forcing some takeaways, some stuff like that.
Speaker 9: Shador is still very very good.
Speaker 7: He just he simply is. He's very very good.
Speaker 9: And the receivers are outstanding as well. Uh, slightly improved
Speaker 9: offensive line play, but they're getting better play. And you know,
Speaker 9: somebody has Dean about it miss press conference the other days,
Speaker 9: like we turned the roster over, we've got we've got
Speaker 9: better guys here now, he said, We've just you know,
Speaker 9: we turned it over again and we've just got better guys.
Speaker 9: They've just got high level transfers from a lot of programs.
Speaker 9: They're doing good stuff for him.
Speaker 6: I want to get a couple of basketball thoughts from you,
Speaker 6: but before we do that, I have a Big twelve
Speaker 6: just macro question, because you know b YU. Last week
Speaker 6: CFP the first iteration of the CFP rankings they rolling
Speaker 6: at nine. I thought that was damning and diving on
Speaker 6: the Big twelve, and I thought that was a message
Speaker 6: from the CFP committee that you are a one bid
Speaker 6: league and whoever wins the championship game will get that bid.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 6: BYU moves up three spots to six, And I do
Speaker 6: think there's a world now that if they win their
Speaker 6: final three games and we'll just operate off the hypothetical
Speaker 6: that they're roll into Dallas and play a really good
Speaker 6: Colorado team that maybe rolls in with one conference loss.
Speaker 6: And I feel like if Colorado beats BYU and BYU
Speaker 6: ends the season as a twelve to one second place
Speaker 6: Big twelve team, I think it'd be really hard to
Speaker 6: keep them out build. Do you feel like, as we
Speaker 6: you know, kind of inch towards the end of the season,
Speaker 6: this is going to be a one bid league, or
Speaker 6: do you think they can sneak two in.
Speaker 9: No, it's a one bid league. There's just not enough
Speaker 9: quality wins for anybody. Like BYU has moved up a
Speaker 9: little bit because there's been attrition in some of the
Speaker 9: other leagues as well, and they're undefeated, and so I
Speaker 9: think that it's a one bid league this year. I
Speaker 9: just I don't really see a world unless maybe Colorado
Speaker 9: runs the table and then maybe deeps BYU. I just
Speaker 9: right now it appears to me to be of one
Speaker 9: big league. I'm not sure that i'd put in five
Speaker 9: or six from the SEC or anything like that, but
Speaker 9: I just I don't know there's been enough, you know,
Speaker 9: not only quality wins within the conference this year, but
Speaker 9: also kind of outside the league either. So I'm kind
Speaker 9: of in the same boat as you.
Speaker 6: All right, before I set you loose, we've seen three
Speaker 6: games from the Utah men's basketball team, and they've blown
Speaker 6: out three pretty bad teams queens from Charlotte, not from
Speaker 6: New York, Okay, And you know, they look very fluid,
Speaker 6: they're knocking down shots, they're taking a lot of threes.
Speaker 6: Maybe we'll learn a little bit more coming up in
Speaker 6: a couple of days against Mississippi State. But as we've
Speaker 6: talked about Ryle's, I mean, this conference it's just nuts.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at their schedule and it is littered with
Speaker 6: top twenty five teams, top ten teams. Your Rock Chalk
Speaker 6: Jayhawks will be here in February, so that should be fun.
Speaker 6: But what stands out most about these three games that
Speaker 6: you've seen so far? And do you feel like we
Speaker 6: could see maybe a team that And I saw Craig
Speaker 6: at the game and he said to me, we're going
Speaker 6: to be better than people think him. Coaches always say
Speaker 6: that sometimes it is a real thing.
Speaker 7: Sometimes it's not.
Speaker 6: What stands out most about this Utah men's basketball team
Speaker 6: so far, Well, yeah.
Speaker 9: They hand had their bigs. They've been just their front court.
Speaker 9: They lost one for the year, one's been down for
Speaker 9: a while, Lovern's got an ankle injury. So they've played
Speaker 9: a lot of small ball and three four guard stuff.
Speaker 7: Spence.
Speaker 9: They really shoot it well. They've got a lot of
Speaker 9: guys that can really shoot the basketball. And they're pretty
Speaker 9: connected too. It's a really connected group. For having as
Speaker 9: many new faces as they do, they're really connected. So
Speaker 9: they haven't played dumb basketball. They played a really good pace.
Speaker 9: They've got guys that can handle the ball. Mike Sharup Johnson,
Speaker 9: the kid from Dayton and San Francisco in Mongolia. He's
Speaker 9: a really nice player at six foot nine, handling the basketball,
Speaker 9: shooting the basketball. The Madson brothers can shoot lights out.
Speaker 9: You've got guys like a sar and DAWs who can
Speaker 9: really rebound and guard. Guy like Jake wall Lean is
Speaker 9: just a good energy guy, Miro Little. They've just got
Speaker 9: a little bit of everything. Now, again, this is a
Speaker 9: non conference, They've played three teams. We're gonna get a
Speaker 9: good idea Sunday, you know, Sunday they play at MISSUS.
Speaker 9: They play Mississippi State, not on campus, but in the
Speaker 9: state of Mississippi, just outside of Memphis. So we'll get
Speaker 9: a better feel for them coming up on Sunday. But
Speaker 9: I do, and I don't disagree with Craig. I think
Speaker 9: that this team, I mean, there's nowhere to go but up. Obviously,
Speaker 9: they were picked sixteenth, But I think this team probably
Speaker 9: outperforms their preseason projections if they stay healthy, because they've
Speaker 9: got a lot of really good interchangeable parts. They've got
Speaker 9: a lot of really good shooting, and again they're really
Speaker 9: connected teams. So I at least through three games, I
Speaker 9: really like what I've seen.
Speaker 10: All Right, Riles, Well, thanks for the time, man, have
Speaker 10: a great weekend and we'll get you back on soon.
Speaker 9: Thanks Ben.
Speaker 7: All Right, Bill Riley, the voice of the Utes.
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Speaker 10: We've done it. It's like two straight weeks. It's a streak, man,
Speaker 10: Great to.
Speaker 7: See you guys. There's two in a row. Is that
Speaker 7: a streak? I think that's the definition of a street. Yeah,
Speaker 7: two in a row, I'll sell them, manhappy.
Speaker 6: Yes, Well, if two in a row is a streak,
Speaker 6: b y us on a winning streak over Utah. Huh
Speaker 6: see what I did there? Two straight games? So gentlemen,
Speaker 6: thanks for joining us. Let's do some college football before
Speaker 6: we get to some jazz of the streak. Well, not
Speaker 6: a winning street. They had a six to zero deficit street.
Speaker 6: Then gonna be a long term you two on the
Speaker 6: road and then well you know Phoenix. Yeah, good, Booker
Speaker 6: is good. I was at the game. That was fun.
Speaker 7: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6: We'll get to some jazz. But all right, Gordon, this
Speaker 6: week it's been a busy week. I'm gonna take a
Speaker 6: little time off. You get you guys, remember what rivalry
Speaker 6: week is like and then the reaction week. It's like, dude,
Speaker 6: I need a day off so porters can drive the
Speaker 6: ship tomorrow and potentially Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go play a little golf. But let's let let's start.
Speaker 7: Let's let's start with a holding penalty. Let's just get
Speaker 7: into the good stuff.
Speaker 6: Okay, Because if you're a BYU fan, it's black or white.
Speaker 6: It's it was a hold letter of the law, period.
Speaker 6: But it's a little bit more complex than that. I'm
Speaker 6: not saying that's why Utah lost the game. Make a stop,
Speaker 6: but how did you digest the call in real time?
Speaker 6: And where are you at about four days later?
Speaker 11: I get the complication that you're you're alluding to there,
Speaker 11: But it was a hold. I mean, you know, so
Speaker 11: if you want to if you here, here's the thing
Speaker 11: about that. You know, you saw Retz left, look to
Speaker 11: his left. He wanted to hit that kid and he
Speaker 11: was held. And so when that happens, it affects the play.
Speaker 11: So it's not just one little teeny hold over here
Speaker 11: that doesn't matter. It does matter. But I understand, you know,
Speaker 11: when you when you have the game one essentially and
Speaker 11: then you know you see the flag. I get the
Speaker 11: I frustration involved in it, but you know it was
Speaker 11: the right call.
Speaker 7: It was a legitimate call.
Speaker 11: I'd be really ticked off if I were a ute
Speaker 11: if it wasn't a hold and they call it anyway
Speaker 11: because the judgment comes into play and whatnot. But well,
Speaker 11: that's the way I look at it. And what happened
Speaker 11: after that we can get to if you want. But anyway,
Speaker 11: Utah had a chance to win that game so many
Speaker 11: different ways, so many different times, and they didn't take
Speaker 11: advantage of it. So to hone in on that one play.
Speaker 11: I get the frustration, but it's not the truth.
Speaker 7: What do you think, Rrect?
Speaker 12: You know this happens so many times in my career
Speaker 12: and all you, all of us have been there at
Speaker 12: games and the games I've called. I can't tell you
Speaker 12: how many times one particular call will impact or could
Speaker 12: be the difference between a win or a loss. You know,
Speaker 12: when I've talked to officials and coaches, I mean, this
Speaker 12: is a conversation that they don't want to have, but
Speaker 12: they always say, look, call the game like you would
Speaker 12: in the first quarter, and then carry that throughout. So
Speaker 12: ask yourself, is that a hold in the first quarter? Absolutely,
Speaker 12: the flag comes out and you just say, live to
Speaker 12: play another day. The issue in all of professional and
Speaker 12: amateur sports is the moment and that one moment that
Speaker 12: changes the direction of an important.
Speaker 7: Game, especially asency.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, if you're going to call that in the
Speaker 12: fourth quarter, better damn bett been called in the first
Speaker 12: and vice versa. If you threw the flag in the
Speaker 12: first quarter, then the official may have no other choice
Speaker 12: no matter what the situation may be.
Speaker 7: It's the same thing.
Speaker 12: Remember last year, Marketing hit a three in the corner
Speaker 12: and KD was there and they reversed the call and
Speaker 12: everybody went crazy. Replay has its reasons, and you know,
Speaker 12: it gives you the second and third looks at different angles.
Speaker 12: But I think it's the consistency of officiating that's is
Speaker 12: kind of the the point of anger at times, because
Speaker 12: sometimes you don't see that call made early, then you
Speaker 12: see it late, and then you start to say, well,
Speaker 12: hey man, who's paying your you know who paid you
Speaker 12: this week and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: It should always be made.
Speaker 12: Yes, that's the point is that that call and I
Speaker 12: hope you know Utah fans as they cooled down figure
Speaker 12: it out. I hate personally, I hate to see that
Speaker 12: call determine an outcome, But also you make a great point.
Speaker 12: Can you stop them from that point on which they
Speaker 12: were unable to do?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the swing of emotions was a liar because
Speaker 6: I was on the sideline right in front of the
Speaker 6: muss and it reminded me of the year where block kick, miskick,
Speaker 6: block kick, miskick, rush the field, go back rush, and
Speaker 6: you fans thought they want it once Caline got the
Speaker 6: time out in, they thought they wanted twice Corene sacked Jake,
Speaker 6: but Gordon to your point, after the hold, there was
Speaker 6: still a lot b why you had to do to
Speaker 6: put themselves in position to kick that game winning field goal.
Speaker 6: For me, when Chase got the pass and went all right,
Speaker 6: not good, you know, when did you start to sense
Speaker 6: that Byu is going to be able to capitalize on
Speaker 6: the second chance they were awarded.
Speaker 11: Well, based on what we've seen out of that team
Speaker 11: in previous weeks, I thought there was a chance. I mean,
Speaker 11: I didn't think it was a great chance, but I thought, yeah,
Speaker 11: it's certainly possible that they could regroup and get down
Speaker 11: the field.
Speaker 7: They just needed a field goal. Yep, And but you
Speaker 7: tak It's like.
Speaker 11: When someone asked Kyle whitting Cam that after the game,
Speaker 11: he said, We've seen that all season. You know, where
Speaker 11: the defense plays great and then they give up a
Speaker 11: certain something or a certain something happens and they end
Speaker 11: up losing. Now five straight. It's Spence, You've been doing
Speaker 11: this a long long time, bowler. You and I started
Speaker 11: in this business about the same time, centuries ago. We
Speaker 11: get so tired of people complaining about referee and officiating.
Speaker 7: I mean that happens in every sport. Remember Stockton said.
Speaker 11: That an official with a whistle can affect every single
Speaker 11: almost every single outcome in the last three minutes of
Speaker 11: a game.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and that may be true.
Speaker 11: But do you want to make do you want to
Speaker 11: make your sport completely illegitimate? Because that's what you're doing
Speaker 11: when you do that. Yeah, and I get that. Like
Speaker 11: with the placement of a ball, we talked about this before.
Speaker 11: How can you place that ball when it's within an
Speaker 11: inch of the first down? How can you get that right?
Speaker 11: It's almost impossible to get it right. But if you
Speaker 11: complain about it too much, then you might as well
Speaker 11: not even watch football.
Speaker 12: That's why Tennis went with cyclops, remember, you know, because
Speaker 12: no one could get whether the ball had skipped on
Speaker 12: the out of bounds or what a fault on a serve.
Speaker 12: I mean you have to ask yourself, how much do
Speaker 12: you want technology to impact you know, a game.
Speaker 7: You don't like it at all Baller based on past conversation,
Speaker 7: I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 12: You know, the replay has purpose at the right time,
Speaker 12: but it can't dictate the human factor that still is
Speaker 12: all the part of all of us. I mean, you know,
Speaker 12: I thought the minute that they that Colinie got the
Speaker 12: time out, I thought, man, bang, that has changed the
Speaker 12: entire tempo of this game, this this arena, the stadium,
Speaker 12: whatever the muss was out it was insane.
Speaker 6: Was it not ever there? Yeah, the stadium looked good.
Speaker 6: I mean, fans not shown up turned out to be
Speaker 6: completely incourable.
Speaker 12: Then you get down to how do they move the ball.
Speaker 12: Sometimes what I see in games I've called is defensive
Speaker 12: coordinators begin to say, let's not give up the big play.
Speaker 12: But in this case, with a good foot in hand
Speaker 12: for BYU, you start to kind of play softer, you
Speaker 12: play prevent type defense. Uh, the second level is soft,
Speaker 12: and you kind of get something underneath, hoping that they'll
Speaker 12: run the clock and can't get out of bounce, so
Speaker 12: you give up middle field and it just it worked
Speaker 12: out as good as it could be. And you know,
Speaker 12: I just heard Bill coming in opportunistic and I've used
Speaker 12: that word myself. BYU has not hurt themselves much this year,
Speaker 12: and when the opportunity comes, they've taken it. It started
Speaker 12: with Case State and they have rolled from that point on.
Speaker 12: They haven't made too many mistakes. They've been lucky.
Speaker 7: Started before that against Cess in US.
Speaker 12: That's true, that's true, the week prior, right, and then
Speaker 12: Case State comes in that three minute span, bang bang
Speaker 12: bank it's over. And it's an amazing feat this year
Speaker 12: for what BYU's done. Good defense, a solid offense, a
Speaker 12: really good head coach, and they have more athletes and
Speaker 12: more speed than I think than any of us thought
Speaker 12: when the preseason polls came out.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: Bowler's another thing.
Speaker 11: And you've seen this a thousand times, both of you
Speaker 11: in basketball especially, but confidence, man, they really think they're
Speaker 11: gonna win every game. And you talk to them beforehand,
Speaker 11: you see the way they're the body language, everything they
Speaker 11: really think they're gonna win. They played poorly in that game,
Speaker 11: and give the US credit. I mean, that's about the
Speaker 11: stuff as I've seen them play all year. I mean,
Speaker 11: they've really showed up to play and they played hard,
Speaker 11: and that defense is legitimate. That defense is good, very good.
Speaker 11: But the offense just can't seem to get it together
Speaker 11: when they need to. New quarterback comes in, surprises byu
Speaker 11: with some stuff with his legs, and the utes are
Speaker 11: looking better than I've seen him looking a long long time. Yeah,
Speaker 11: and then it absolutely evaporates in the second half. There's nothing,
Speaker 11: almost nothing in that second half. And why Well, maybe
Speaker 11: Jay Hill had a little something to do with that.
Speaker 6: Well, and we also found out today via Brandon rose
Speaker 6: mother's Instagram post or maybe it was Twitter.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's all cesspool that he had a Liz Frank fracture
Speaker 6: in the second quarter.
Speaker 7: He plays, keep playing him.
Speaker 6: I have no idea a why they played him, and
Speaker 6: be how he played. Isaac was ready and Brandon certainly
Speaker 6: showed that. Maybe he should have been the backup all along.
Speaker 10: In my opinion, But how do you march the kid
Speaker 10: out with a broken leg, and how does he even play.
Speaker 10: I mean that to me, does explain the second half
Speaker 10: an emic offense.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I wonder if he actually let them know he did,
Speaker 12: because they shot him off.
Speaker 7: Yeah, at least at halftime. They shot him up at
Speaker 7: half time.
Speaker 11: You see an athlete who's hurt and then he comes
Speaker 11: back and he's able to move.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he got shot. That's you know what happens. Come on, man,
Speaker 10: it's all about tape. Tape laced with viking in.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 12: I say, I've seen so many guys come out there. Man,
Speaker 12: got that damn ankle looks like it's a make, it's
Speaker 12: a half cast. But then underneath that tape is another
Speaker 12: little joy joy shot that takes the pain away.
Speaker 11: Can I say this about the Huts, I'm really confused.
Speaker 11: I mean, the defense is really good. They've had their
Speaker 11: moments where they've let up a little bit, but the
Speaker 11: offense isn't. But there's no way with the team with
Speaker 11: that kind of defense should lose five straight games.
Speaker 6: An average offense puts this team in contention for the
Speaker 6: Big twelve ten.
Speaker 12: Injury with well three three straight losses at home. I mean,
Speaker 12: it's it's mind boggling. Hasn't happened under Kyle five game
Speaker 12: losing streight. No, and I got to throw this out
Speaker 12: because the the hype of this team I've never seen
Speaker 12: before nationally and everybody locally nationally agreed that Utah was
Speaker 12: going to be a powerhouse and potentially in the postseason
Speaker 12: playoff scheme of things, and even hosts a first round game.
Speaker 12: I'm stunned that an injury to Cam again derailed this
Speaker 12: team and the confidence of that injury impacted it so
Speaker 12: severely comes back injured again. But I think it's the
Speaker 12: anemic or the unpredictable offense that tired the defense to say, look, guys, hey,
Speaker 12: hold my hand up. Can you help us? We can
Speaker 12: only do so much. I mean, if you only allowed
Speaker 12: seven to ten points a game, you've done your job.
Speaker 7: But there was just very little help. But you could
Speaker 7: just see.
Speaker 12: The wind of the utes hopes for a magical season
Speaker 12: go away with that early season run into the Gatorade
Speaker 12: buckets by Cam Rising.
Speaker 11: What were you guys thinking at the half when it's
Speaker 11: twenty one to ten.
Speaker 10: I thought you ta had them, I really did, especially
Speaker 10: the way they were playing.
Speaker 6: Yes by you could not move the ball. They needed
Speaker 6: a kick return for a touch teams touchdown.
Speaker 10: But on offense's to this, yeah, yeah, Parker's talk about yeah,
Speaker 10: for sure, kid can run, A kid can run, but
Speaker 10: they could not.
Speaker 7: Move the ball.
Speaker 6: And I thought twenty one points second quarter, Utah's found something.
Speaker 6: I didn't think Utah was gonna hang another twenty one
Speaker 6: on them, but I thought, second half, maybe you get
Speaker 6: a touchdown, a field goal, And I said, if they score,
Speaker 6: if Utah scores twenty four plus points, they win the game.
Speaker 6: And they could have with one field goal in the
Speaker 6: second half. So for me, Gordon halftime, I thought, it
Speaker 6: feels like Utah's got this one.
Speaker 11: They look like they And I understand that some people
Speaker 11: could be frustrated with a couple of things. First of all,
Speaker 11: you put Brandon Rose in there, and he's playing fantastic
Speaker 11: early on, and you're thinking, where's this kid been all
Speaker 11: year when the uts have been struggling. So that's a
Speaker 11: coaching decision. Why didn't they see that? Why didn't they
Speaker 11: see that this kid could do that? And then there's
Speaker 11: the emotion side of football, and does it take a
Speaker 11: rival for Utah to bring its best? And that's what
Speaker 11: they did in the first half. They brought their best
Speaker 11: and then they couldn't sustain it in the second half.
Speaker 11: But so as much as Utah was playing well, it's
Speaker 11: sort of an indictment too, because why can't you play
Speaker 11: like this all the time.
Speaker 6: It's a fair question. And additionally, remember the start of
Speaker 6: the year, it's like, oh, we get Cam and Brandt back.
Speaker 6: Now they're both on the shelf. Grand Keithy goes out
Speaker 6: with an injury score two tds in the first half.
Speaker 6: The second half obviously looked a lot different with him
Speaker 6: on the sideline.
Speaker 7: You know, you lose weapons.
Speaker 12: And we always talk about the ones, the twos, and
Speaker 12: the threes and really good teams. I remember Nick Saban
Speaker 12: I told this story before, telling us, Yeah, I got
Speaker 12: two really good damn running backs back here.
Speaker 7: But tell you what, look across the three boys.
Speaker 12: You see that eight on over there, I got three
Speaker 12: better running backs that the ones that are on the
Speaker 12: gonna I'll be starting on Saturday. You know, that's how
Speaker 12: you win championships and survive injury. But solved, Now you
Speaker 12: got Glover that's leaving for the transfer portal, and I'm
Speaker 12: just wondering how much of this will snowball into what
Speaker 12: I'm sure Utah fans don't want to see a mass exodus.
Speaker 12: With the amount of emotion that went into the start
Speaker 12: of this season, there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 12: people in a lot of young men's ears saying, you know,
Speaker 12: you got to move on. You know this isn't working out.
Speaker 12: You're gonna have to get more playing time someplace else.
Speaker 12: You know that the studs and those who really want
Speaker 12: to play for the University of Utah will stay and
Speaker 12: you're going to see how they perform in these final
Speaker 12: couple of games as they wind down a season.
Speaker 11: Yeah all right, Oh no, please, I'm just curious about
Speaker 11: an important question, Spence. You've been studying this team all
Speaker 11: year long. Is there is there is it necessary to
Speaker 11: have a cultural shift?
Speaker 7: Man, That's the last thing you would think under Kyle.
Speaker 10: This has been paved, this has been concreted, This is
Speaker 10: chiseledon stone. Granted the way that everyone who talks Kyle
Speaker 10: Whittingham and the University of Utah they are coaches, need
Speaker 10: to come visit to understand what he's built.
Speaker 12: Here's a great coach. Yeah right, and all of a
Speaker 12: sudden in one year. I don't think you can just
Speaker 12: break it down or think that the granted has you know,
Speaker 12: major cracks in it. But then you start to get
Speaker 12: the wondermunth of is Kyle beginning to wind down himself,
Speaker 12: and then you get the wonderment of Morgan Scally And
Speaker 12: then you know players begin to doubt should they commit
Speaker 12: when in the past there was no doubt. So all
Speaker 12: that I think comes into play in this discussion.
Speaker 7: I'll say this about Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 11: He's near the end and he's got a lot of
Speaker 11: reasons to live beyond football. As absorbed as he's been
Speaker 11: through the years in football, I think people say, oh, well,
Speaker 11: he wouldn't walk away after a season like this. I
Speaker 11: don't think Kyle Whittingham cares. I don't think he cares
Speaker 11: about I mean, he cares. He wants to win, sure, obviously,
Speaker 11: but he didn't have to win a championship. He didn't
Speaker 11: have to go to a college football playoff this year
Speaker 11: in order to do that.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 11: I don't know what he's going to do, but he's
Speaker 11: got all kinds of reasons to live beyond football. And
Speaker 11: he's got great He's got ten grandkids, he's got family.
Speaker 11: He doesn't want to miss things that he missed for
Speaker 11: so long in his career. And I think that's really
Speaker 11: important to him, and that's a compliment to him. He's
Speaker 11: he's a smart man. He's educated a lot of different things.
Speaker 11: He has a lot of different interests. It's not just
Speaker 11: about football all the time. Again, I don't know what
Speaker 11: he's gonna do, but I think the results of this
Speaker 11: season do not matter as far as answering that question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's interesting, and I'll just say right off the top,
Speaker 6: I don't know. I have no idea what he's going
Speaker 6: to do, nor do I know how this season has
Speaker 6: affected his future playing. Yeah, I'll say on Monday, when
Speaker 6: he stepped up to do media, I'm like, my man's tired,
Speaker 6: you know, like, and of course he is. First of all,
Speaker 6: college football is a grind, period and the stuff is hard.
Speaker 6: I interviewed him last week and we pre recorded it
Speaker 6: because they practiced in the afternoon, and before the interview
Speaker 6: went live, I said, how are you holding up?
Speaker 7: He's like, this is hard. He's like, this is hard.
Speaker 7: This is really hard, and it's all consuming. Yeah. Yeahple
Speaker 7: don't understand.
Speaker 12: Even more so now Nil has changed the world, and
Speaker 12: just the time and the consumption and the film and
Speaker 12: the way you have to relate to players for portal wins,
Speaker 12: for portal nonstant recruits. It's so much different than the
Speaker 12: days of Bear Bryant, you know, Woody up at Ohio State,
Speaker 12: where you just kind of said, you know, young man,
Speaker 12: you want to play, all right, come on in, sign
Speaker 12: to dotted lane and you're gonna get yourself an education,
Speaker 12: or at least they thought, you know, but there's no
Speaker 12: no idea of a transfer portal. Now what do you
Speaker 12: think Nick Saban's out of the game because you didn't
Speaker 12: have to go through the NIO portal?
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, And I do wonder though, without again being
Speaker 6: very clear, I have no idea what Kyle is going
Speaker 6: to do. You guys know, coaches, man, these are maniacal
Speaker 6: guys that are oftentimes control freaks, and oftentimes when they
Speaker 6: try to I always reference Greg Popovitch, right, because for
Speaker 6: the final four years of Tim Duncan's career, Bob said,
Speaker 6: when he's done, I'm doone. Duncan retires and he signed
Speaker 6: like a five year deal work, you know, and we're like,
Speaker 6: what's going And he admitted he said, I took the.
Speaker 7: Off season, I thought about it. I love doing this.
Speaker 7: They pay me a lot of money. To do it.
Speaker 7: Jerry was kind of like that.
Speaker 6: Obviously, the Darren stuff ultimately was enough for Jerry to
Speaker 6: walk away. Part of me wonders if Kyle would really
Speaker 6: miss it to your point, hobbies, golf, family, all the things.
Speaker 7: Can only play so much golf.
Speaker 6: And you always hear players say like, even players that
Speaker 6: get into coaching or a front office admin stuff, it
Speaker 6: never is the same as the buzz they had when
Speaker 6: they play right. And I don't care if Kyle plays
Speaker 6: himself to be a scratch golfer, I don't think it'll
Speaker 6: ever approach the buzz he gets coaching a team in
Speaker 6: a big game. I just wonder if he's able to
Speaker 6: walk away with I think three years left on his deal.
Speaker 12: Very few, I'm sorry, Gordo, very few players and coaches
Speaker 12: are really able to do that. Huh, Because you just
Speaker 12: said the magic word. It's about the love of the game,
Speaker 12: but also the locker room. There's something about it. Players
Speaker 12: miss it. There's an addiction there, there's an adrenaline there
Speaker 12: that becomes part of your life, your soul, and I
Speaker 12: hope listeners understand that anybody who's been in a huddle,
Speaker 12: who's been in a locker room, understand. And you know
Speaker 12: you spend so much time, you know, on a football
Speaker 12: field or on the basketball court, sweating your guts out.
Speaker 12: And yeah, you're well paid. But still the human factor
Speaker 12: you have to always remember, plays a big factor in
Speaker 12: this discussion because that's all Wit knows, right. I mean,
Speaker 12: he's good with youth. He does have family, as Gordon says,
Speaker 12: and sometimes you feel cheated along the way. Sometimes marriages
Speaker 12: don't quite work out because the time consumption is so
Speaker 12: is so high. But man, it's when you walk you
Speaker 12: have to be ready to say I'm really in on
Speaker 12: this decision.
Speaker 7: Yeah, remember, because.
Speaker 12: Once you leave, man, uh, there's somebody else walking right
Speaker 12: in to fill the gap. And it's the same way
Speaker 12: when you hurt Taylor Hendricks, for example, you know, having
Speaker 12: the surgery last week. He's on his own right now,
Speaker 12: even though he's got training and he's going to rehab.
Speaker 12: But man, he's got some mind games going on right
Speaker 12: now because he's young. He wants to play, and he
Speaker 12: has some doubt and coaches help you get rid of that.
Speaker 11: Remember though, that Kyle's dad unfortunately passed away at sixty four.
Speaker 11: Kyle turned sixty five next week, and he's always said
Speaker 11: he doesn't want to coach into his later years, well
Speaker 11: our later years here.
Speaker 7: Yet I don't know.
Speaker 11: There's another component to this whole thing is he's damn
Speaker 11: good at what he does. He hasn't lost it, he
Speaker 11: said in that press conference I wrote about.
Speaker 7: This hasn't posted yet.
Speaker 11: But he said that this is He started to say,
Speaker 11: this is one of the most frustrated and then he
Speaker 11: stopped and said, no, it's the most frustrating season I've
Speaker 11: ever had in my career.
Speaker 7: And that's saying something.
Speaker 11: But whether that's going to really chase him out, I
Speaker 11: think it's other things on his mind beyond just the
Speaker 11: difficulties of today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I tend to agree with that.
Speaker 6: It's just funny as we're talking about this topic, so
Speaker 6: many things are kind of permeating through my head about coaches,
Speaker 6: and I can remember the great Hubie Brown, not Hugh B.
Speaker 7: Brown, but Hube Brown, the former NBA coach. I'm surprised.
Speaker 6: I was born of goodly parents over here, Gordon, Okay,
Speaker 6: come on, I'm well trained in the doctum.
Speaker 11: I seeing we're going to hear the story of the
Speaker 11: current Bush, but go ahead, totally.
Speaker 6: But I remember it was Quinn Snyder's first year with
Speaker 6: the Jazz.
Speaker 7: And I know who Hube a little bit.
Speaker 6: He was Nick's coach back in the day, and he
Speaker 6: was in town calling a game, and so I got
Speaker 6: there early before I had to do the pregame hit.
Speaker 6: I walked over to Hubie and I said, tell me
Speaker 6: about Quinn.
Speaker 7: He's new.
Speaker 6: You know, what do you think? He seems really sharp?
Speaker 6: And Hubie Brown said to me, he's incredibly smart. He's
Speaker 6: very sharp. He's probably gonna burn himself out after like
Speaker 6: six or seven years. It took eight. After eight years,
Speaker 6: Quinn's like, I gotta go to the beach for a while,
Speaker 6: Like I can't do this. And so I wonder on
Speaker 6: the scale of normal to maniacle where Quinn certainly danced
Speaker 6: the dance where Kyle is, because I, honestly, I really
Speaker 6: don't know. I could see him walking after this, as
Speaker 6: you said, Gordon, not affected by the lack of wins
Speaker 6: and losses.
Speaker 7: But I could also see him like, I'm not going
Speaker 7: out like this. Yeah.
Speaker 12: See, that's the other point of the equation is Quinn
Speaker 12: was burned out. Quinn had, you know, Donovan and Rudy
Speaker 12: to deal with.
Speaker 11: Oh, you think the texts at two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 11: and he reminded me of you a little bit.
Speaker 10: Sometimes I'll take that as a compliment. It is okay,
Speaker 10: thank you. I think Covid burned out Quinn a lot.
Speaker 10: I mean, the jazz right in the middle of it,
Speaker 10: and Gobert's right in the center of it. And that
Speaker 10: Oklahoma City night was a stressful one. But he got
Speaker 10: through it, got us all through it.
Speaker 12: And then the he couldn't he couldn't bring Donovan and
Speaker 12: Rudy back, and I think that kind of frustrated him
Speaker 12: and he started to find some doubt, if that makes sense,
Speaker 12: because that's what he prided himself and being was kind
Speaker 12: of the psychologist and a mad scientist who was able
Speaker 12: to formulate, you know, the plan to get everything back.
Speaker 12: You know, Kyle will have to make a tough decision.
Speaker 12: Do you legacy? Is how important it is? Is it
Speaker 12: to you? Do you leave under he's talk with circumstances
Speaker 12: or do you refuel Gordo knowing that you that Kyle
Speaker 12: Whittingham is still a good coach and players want to
Speaker 12: play at Utah and do you come back? And does
Speaker 12: that motivate you to to maybe reset the battery or
Speaker 12: recharge you to say I'm gonna I'm gonna push this
Speaker 12: team back into the forefront.
Speaker 11: It could go either way, but his image is already
Speaker 11: carved on the mountain for sure. I mean, he's got nothing.
Speaker 11: It's not gonna change his legacy. He's a he's a great.
Speaker 7: But it's in his own mind. I get it. I
Speaker 7: get you have to walk away satisfied.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And there's something else involved in it, like you
Speaker 11: were alluding to earlier, is an identity. Your identity gets
Speaker 11: wrapped up in what you do. Coaching football isn't just
Speaker 11: your job, it's who you are.
Speaker 7: Yes, that's such a good point. It becomes your identity.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 6: I want to do some jazz with our next segment,
Speaker 6: but before we break, we we've got to talk about
Speaker 6: what happened after the game. Because I'm over on the
Speaker 6: sideline watching with a bunch of former utes and Sean
Speaker 6: was there too, And after the game I went over
Speaker 6: to say I to Klanie and a Rod and you
Speaker 6: congratulate them and kind of stayed to see the scene
Speaker 6: and dodge water bottles because water bottles were being thrown.
Speaker 6: So I'm on my way home, I'm walking home and
Speaker 6: suddenly my phone just blows up, like this is weird.
Speaker 6: I get worried, like somebody's calling me or texting me,
Speaker 6: maybe something's wrong. It was just like ten different texts
Speaker 6: like dude, did you just hear what Mark Carland said?
Speaker 7: I'm like no, I'm walking home.
Speaker 6: So my buddy sends me the link to a social
Speaker 6: video and I pull it up and I listened to it,
Speaker 6: and I go, oh, man, I thought he was going
Speaker 6: to be in so much trouble. We interviewed Brett Ormark
Speaker 6: Big twelve Media days. He's an old exec from the
Speaker 6: Brooklyn Nets. He is in northeast. You will be swimming
Speaker 6: with the fishes with a dead horse's head in your
Speaker 6: bed if you mess with me. And so when I
Speaker 6: saw the release the next day, a couple things. First
Speaker 6: of all, I would have loved to be there when
Speaker 6: your Mark woke up and looked at his phone and went, wait,
Speaker 6: what you got to be kidding me? So I thought
Speaker 6: forty k and a public reprimand was actually I was
Speaker 6: happy for Mark because I thought he was going to
Speaker 6: be a lot of trouble. Mark Carlin, in my experience,
Speaker 6: is a smart, measured man who doesn't react with emotion.
Speaker 6: Now we're not best buds, we don't hang out, but
Speaker 6: I've probably interviewed him fifty times and every time I'm
Speaker 6: up there, I seek him out and talk to him,
Speaker 6: and he's very nice to me. We have a good relationship.
Speaker 6: That's just a bad look man. And my guess is
Speaker 6: I haven't talked to him. We try to get him
Speaker 6: on the show. Hopefully we'll get him on the next
Speaker 6: couple of weeks. He'd like him all again. I think
Speaker 6: he would in that moment. Gordon will start with you,
Speaker 6: then Craig will get your thoughts. What was your reaction
Speaker 6: to the comments of Mark Carlin after the game.
Speaker 11: Well, I've written two columns on it, shaming him because
Speaker 11: that was just stupid on his part. Let's say it
Speaker 11: the way it is. I agree with you. Mark Carlin's
Speaker 11: a smart guy. I've had good communications with him through
Speaker 11: the years. I've communicated with his dad. I mean, he's
Speaker 11: a bright guy and he's a capable guy.
Speaker 7: But he lost it.
Speaker 11: He absolutely lost it, and that's no way for an
Speaker 11: administrator to comport himself. I don't care how frustrated he are.
Speaker 11: Do that and then to throw in on top of that,
Speaker 11: the whole thing. I'm not happy to be a part
Speaker 11: of the Big twelve. I mean, come on, you can't
Speaker 11: do they stole it from him. Oh, here we go,
Speaker 11: Thanks Donald Trump. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I thought i'd wake up to a voicemail of Mark
Speaker 6: calling Brett Yormark saying, can you find me two points.
Speaker 7: Stunt? Maybe he thought he could.
Speaker 11: And anyway, it's just it was out of bounds and
Speaker 11: he I agree. And Kyle wouldn't even address this when
Speaker 11: he was asked. It is a press conference earlier this
Speaker 11: week about and I thought Kyle.
Speaker 7: Kyle is articulate and he he's straight to the point.
Speaker 11: The only problem I have a Kyle is the fact
Speaker 11: that he won't ever tell anybody whose quarterback it will be,
Speaker 11: because I think that's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: But anyway, on Saturday, yeah.
Speaker 11: He said that sometimes Kyle Whitingham said, sometimes people say
Speaker 11: things that they don't mean or that they wouldn't say
Speaker 11: under normal circumstance. For sure, And he said he included
Speaker 11: because he was unhappy with the fact that he called
Speaker 11: it ridiculous.
Speaker 7: I'll raise my hand.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, we all have right and so look, just
Speaker 11: face the music. Mark, you blew it. You messed it up,
Speaker 11: You got fine, admit it, move forward. I don't think
Speaker 11: some people were calling for his job. I think that's Look.
Speaker 11: Sometimes we say things and just but his but his
Speaker 11: statement afterwards wasn't an apology. He sure have come clean completely.
Speaker 11: He didn't do that, and I thought that was a
Speaker 11: mistake on it. So I think he made two mistakes
Speaker 11: in that. But is he capable of overcoming that? Of
Speaker 11: course he is. He's a he's a bright dude.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I was shocked because he wouldn't allow a head coach
Speaker 12: or any of your players to basically echo any of
Speaker 12: those sentiment sentiments after a game of that nature. I
Speaker 12: I just thought when I heard it, and I replayed
Speaker 12: it a couple of three times, and you know what,
Speaker 12: Gordon and Spence, I think it's again. I keep going
Speaker 12: back to the culmination of this year, the pressure, the
Speaker 12: expectations of greatness, the expectations again, You've been to two
Speaker 12: Rose Bowls, couldn't quite pull it off. Now you're favor
Speaker 12: to win and be a part of the big big
Speaker 12: picture in college football, and then this comes down with
Speaker 12: injuries and home losses. I think it's just one of
Speaker 12: those moments where you just let loose. Yeah, he could
Speaker 12: not reel back. And Gordon's right, he could have had
Speaker 12: maybe a little better approach to the.
Speaker 7: Apology, but it wasn't an apology. That wasn't Yes, it
Speaker 7: was a statement.
Speaker 12: But you know, forty grand to your point, Spence is
Speaker 12: probably pretty he got up pretty easy with the five.
Speaker 7: I wonder you know where that comes from.
Speaker 11: But here's the thing about I mean, the whole He
Speaker 11: put this on top of the whole thing that the
Speaker 11: Utes had this image that they were arrogant yep, that
Speaker 11: they didn't really want to be in the Big twelve,
Speaker 11: and then you had let this get the best of
Speaker 11: you on top of that, and all that does is
Speaker 11: sort of stir loathing from the rest of the conference.
Speaker 7: Who the hell do you think you are? Knock this
Speaker 7: arrogance off. I mean, look at your record, I mean
Speaker 7: knock it off.
Speaker 11: And so he was sort of chastised from the fact
Speaker 11: competitively and administratively, as it turned out.
Speaker 6: Maybe pride cometh before the fall. Gordon, huh, I'll keep going.
Speaker 6: He who is without sin let him cast the first stump.
Speaker 7: Lands up. I've been very clear, like I'm not judging.
Speaker 6: I get it man like, and I know what it's
Speaker 6: like to be emotional after a big loss, not like that,
Speaker 6: but exacerbated by five straight l's. And part of me
Speaker 6: wonders if he was trying to show Kyle like, I
Speaker 6: got your back, right, Like I I've thought about it
Speaker 6: all week. Why from the minute I heard it, I'm like,
Speaker 6: what are you doing?
Speaker 7: Man like? What are you really accomplishing?
Speaker 6: And I don't know that I've landed on his why
Speaker 6: as to and and you know Ryle's hopped on earlier.
Speaker 10: You simply said emotion And maybe that's it. Maybe a pope,
Speaker 10: I mean, that's it, a sense of a crazy pop.
Speaker 10: But I think it goes back again the loss, the
Speaker 10: way it went down, the home crowd, the three straight
Speaker 10: losses at rice Ecles, and I think the expectations and
Speaker 10: the endes finally just boiled to the point where some
Speaker 10: people would either cry or yell or talking to a
Speaker 10: microphone and say, I don't think I'm really a fan
Speaker 10: of the Big twelve.
Speaker 7: More or less, you know, we've got the stolen word.
Speaker 11: That's truly I think what hooked a lot of people,
Speaker 11: But it's oh, by the way, did you know that
Speaker 11: there's a sports reference in the Old Testamental?
Speaker 7: Wise one over there is it a hunting reference?
Speaker 11: I think it's an exodus if Pharaoh served or Moses
Speaker 11: served in Pharaoh's court.
Speaker 6: Not a big Old Testament, guy, lean more into the
Speaker 6: New Testament.
Speaker 11: You know, older, you got any uh Baptist Baptist scripture
Speaker 11: you want to share?
Speaker 7: All honorable men belong to the same tribe.
Speaker 10: There we go, There we go. You know you guys
Speaker 10: are why just try to try to bring a little
Speaker 10: brevity to the show today.
Speaker 7: You know, try to live like that. It's difficult to do. Older,
Speaker 7: you do that. Honorable men belong to the same tribe.
Speaker 7: We do. Need to catch a break, so we'll do
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Speaker 7: We'll do a little Utah jazz coming up next right here.
Speaker 6: All right, it's one more big segment with Craig Bowler,
Speaker 6: Jack and Gordon Monson before we let Bowler go so
Speaker 6: we can get down to the arena and let Gordon
Speaker 6: go so he can, Uh.
Speaker 7: What are you doing tonight, Gorg?
Speaker 11: What's hang I'm gonna hang out with my wife, Lovely.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna watch some basketball.
Speaker 7: You take a nap at all in the afternoon every
Speaker 7: once in a while.
Speaker 6: I love me a good nap. But look, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be an excellent old man.
Speaker 11: I gotta tell you, guys, how fun it is for
Speaker 11: us to go for you.
Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, yeah, it's great. It's like a reflection back
Speaker 7: on old times. But we haven't.
Speaker 10: I don't think we've lost anything. We Only the listeners
Speaker 10: can tell us that. Fair enough, fair enough, All right,
Speaker 10: let's do a little jazz. But the big show, big hours,
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Speaker 10: a location near you. You know, I was thinking about
Speaker 10: this during the break because we were talking about Quinn
Speaker 10: and Craig to your point at the end, and as
Speaker 10: I've always said, Covid changed the team. It just it
Speaker 10: just didd But I often think back to just how
Speaker 10: sad Quinn was at the end and how sad he
Speaker 10: was that he couldn't get this thing on track, and
Speaker 10: stick with me for a moment.
Speaker 6: There's a method to the madness. The fact of the
Speaker 6: matter is this is gonna be a long year for
Speaker 6: the Jazz. I was down at the Sun's game the
Speaker 6: other day. They didn't have Durant and it didn't matter,
Speaker 6: like there are gonna be some bright moments and young
Speaker 6: players with good games. Philipowski's doing pretty so and you
Speaker 6: know they're not going to lose every game, but they're
Speaker 6: not gonna win much. And the fact of the matter
Speaker 6: is they're not close to winning. And I don't think
Speaker 6: a Cooper flag or anything like it is going to
Speaker 6: fix the situation soon. It's probably two or three years
Speaker 6: of really tough times for Jazz fans, and I think
Speaker 6: one of the reasons Quinn was so sad is he
Speaker 6: recognized the opportunity they had. I don't know that they
Speaker 6: would have won a title, but they had a shot,
Speaker 6: and it's.
Speaker 7: So hard to have a shot. We're learning that now.
Speaker 10: So I think the heartbreak for Quinn because truly at
Speaker 10: the end it was sadness.
Speaker 6: You and I Gordon got to know him. I would
Speaker 6: get messages from him. I've had conversations with him since then.
Speaker 6: I think that sadness is that he couldn't convince and
Speaker 6: the Cabs are off to a great start.
Speaker 7: We'll see what they do.
Speaker 6: I don't think he could get through to Donovan like
Speaker 6: this is a real chance to win something special as
Speaker 6: a young player, and I just don't think Donovan was
Speaker 6: mature enough to understand what Quinn was selling him. So
Speaker 6: the sadness has always kind of stood out to me
Speaker 6: because I think he realized they had a shot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a fleet.
Speaker 12: He's excelling in a big way in Cleveland. But you
Speaker 12: know what, Spence, what happens to a lot of young players.
Speaker 12: They get people in their ear and they start to say,
Speaker 12: you know what you can do better? Maybe move on?
Speaker 12: You want to play in front of your mom in
Speaker 12: New York. That was the big you know talk. There's
Speaker 12: things that I saw that you can almost point to
Speaker 12: now that it was not going the right way. And
Speaker 12: the Rudy Gobert relationship. What was so bizarre that night
Speaker 12: in Oklahoma City and when we got our results back
Speaker 12: in the morning that all of us were negative except
Speaker 12: for Donovan and Rudy had been had already tested positive.
Speaker 12: And I thought, how bizarre is that now they were
Speaker 12: locker mates close in proximity. And I remember that night
Speaker 12: before the game, I'd spoke with Donovan, you know, in
Speaker 12: the locker room, and I'm thinking, wow, if he's positive,
Speaker 12: then I'm going to have to be. But there was
Speaker 12: no rhyme nor reas. And with COVID, I mean you
Speaker 12: could be six feet away or in the same room,
Speaker 12: but still, you know, it finds you and and I'm
Speaker 12: with you. I think Quinn did all he could, and
Speaker 12: he did a great job, by the way I said before,
Speaker 12: of keeping the team and the whole broadcast team and
Speaker 12: the rioters together that night. No one is left behind,
Speaker 12: which there was a fear or that we'd stay at
Speaker 12: the arena for two weeks, you know, in that in
Speaker 12: that in that room. But after that and the bubble
Speaker 12: and the and the best run and the best record
Speaker 12: in the NBA that year, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 12: it's just like bang, gone done and someone and Donovan
Speaker 12: says time to go, even though he's walked it back.
Speaker 7: Spence, you know in that conversation, we all know what happened.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, you said we had we should have maybe
Speaker 12: taken another run or two not did that.
Speaker 11: A couple of things. First of all, Spence, you said
Speaker 11: it perfectly not mature enough. He was not mature enough.
Speaker 11: If if Donovan were as mature as he is now
Speaker 11: back then, I think it would have worked.
Speaker 7: That's my opinion.
Speaker 11: And Bowler to your point about Quinn and how he
Speaker 11: felt that night in Oklahoma City, he was like, I
Speaker 11: don't want to. I don't know if there's other connotations
Speaker 11: to this, but he was like father flannagain.
Speaker 7: Was he even let Andy Larson on the plane?
Speaker 6: I thought he'd leave Andy behind, like we're all leaving Andy,
Speaker 6: look man, rent a car, good luck.
Speaker 11: It was important to him and and I really at
Speaker 11: the end, and believe me, and I hope I'm not
Speaker 11: betraying any kind of trust here because I had long
Speaker 11: conversations with Quinn. He just didn't feel like the support
Speaker 11: was there that he needed to make it work. He
Speaker 11: said he could, he could go through a rebuild. He said,
Speaker 11: I can handle that, he said, in fact, he said,
Speaker 11: I'm good at that.
Speaker 7: Well he better be in Atlanta.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but it's he didn't feel like he had the
Speaker 11: underpinnings to make it work. And when I see what
Speaker 11: Donovan's doing now in Cleveland, and don't you every once
Speaker 11: in a while.
Speaker 7: Don't wonder if maybe they could have.
Speaker 11: Done something together longer because of what you said earlier, Spence.
Speaker 7: Getting to that point is hard.
Speaker 11: It is hard to get there, and the Jazz are
Speaker 11: suffering that right now. And maybe they'll maybe they'll blow
Speaker 11: a hole in the bottom of the boat and under
Speaker 11: straight they have to do a great example, Carl and
Speaker 11: John had multiple chances to win the West, but they
Speaker 11: just came up short.
Speaker 12: You know, they they they played hard and then all
Speaker 12: of a sudden, the emotion pours down at Jerry Sloan,
Speaker 12: which you never thought you'd see in ninety seven to
Speaker 12: ninety eighty, and they were on the tail end of
Speaker 12: their careers. And see, that's the other part you now
Speaker 12: developed players at nineteen and twenty, and when the rookie
Speaker 12: contracts up, the theory is you've developed them as somebody
Speaker 12: else reaps the benefit.
Speaker 11: And maybe this is the difference because I went back
Speaker 11: and compared the success or lack of success in the
Speaker 11: playoffs with stocked in them alone to.
Speaker 7: Rudy and Donovan. Similarities. Yes, absolutely, it was absolutely similar.
Speaker 11: And yet and maybe times have changed, like you said,
Speaker 11: maybe attitudes and players, the voices in their heads, the agents, whatever,
Speaker 11: Maybe they're less patient than those guys were back then.
Speaker 11: But I think that thing, and this is controversial because
Speaker 11: some people disagree with me, but Spence, I'm glad to
Speaker 11: hear that maybe you have that thought too, that they
Speaker 11: blew that thing.
Speaker 7: Up too quick. Yeah, no, they did. I think they did.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, I will say when I heard that
Speaker 6: Quinn had decided that it was time for him to go,
Speaker 6: my gut said, they're breaking it down right. And ultimately
Speaker 6: it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback. But there is
Speaker 6: a world I think that existed where Danny could have
Speaker 6: taken over and said to Donovan, you're under contract, okay,
Speaker 6: and you're a free agent in two years and in
Speaker 6: two years. You can choose where you want to play,
Speaker 6: but you're playing for us for two years, or just
Speaker 6: give it one more year to see if you can
Speaker 6: kind of bring this thing together. Because almost all of
Speaker 6: these guys have go on to play well. Go Bear
Speaker 6: has been good since he left. Mike is now showing
Speaker 6: his age, but just this year it's looked bad. Royce
Speaker 6: O'Neill has played really well for Phoenix, GEORGEI. Yang has
Speaker 6: been a solid role player like boy on Bogdanovitch. We
Speaker 6: forget Dennis Lindsay had some misses, but he did a
Speaker 6: masterful job.
Speaker 7: And look, you need a little luck along the way,
Speaker 7: you just do.
Speaker 6: And Dennis got some with Donovan late Lottery Go Bear
Speaker 6: late first round. He had some misses with Burke's and
Speaker 6: Trey Burke and Enis and all the things he should have.
Speaker 7: He should have got Kawi. But ultimately, I say this all.
Speaker 6: The time, I don't think most people fully understand how
Speaker 6: hard it is, certainly in Salt Lake City, to build
Speaker 6: an NBA team that can throw punches with the best
Speaker 6: teams in the league. In my opinion, Quinn's team was
Speaker 6: the second best iteration of the Jazz to Jerry's John
Speaker 6: and carl Us little minds can disagree with Booze and
Speaker 6: d Will and Memo in those teams, but I honestly
Speaker 6: believe the sadness in him was coming from a place
Speaker 6: where he realized what a unique chance they had to do.
Speaker 12: So you had special players, and the fan base just
Speaker 12: embraced the Joe Ingles, right, Gion. Joe Joe was like
Speaker 12: Memo money man. You know, there's there's players that come
Speaker 12: along that just capture the imagination and the love, the
Speaker 12: love affair of the fan base, which is so important.
Speaker 12: And I think right now they're trying to find out
Speaker 12: who that particular player is. J C still has the love, right,
Speaker 12: you know, but obviously Aging still has a role off
Speaker 12: the bench, as is John Collins. But you know Danny's
Speaker 12: gone young, and you know one of the you know
Speaker 12: you and you just said the magical word luck.
Speaker 7: You have to have luck.
Speaker 12: The Jazz found stocking him alone in middle first round selections, right,
Speaker 12: and now you find maybe Philipowski's got a little bit
Speaker 12: of that thirty second player taken slipped and the Jazz
Speaker 12: have this guy from duke six ' eleven, six '
Speaker 12: ten can stretch the floor, hit the three and can rebound.
Speaker 12: That's not a bad piece to have right now. Not
Speaker 12: a bad piece.
Speaker 11: You don't want it to be too good because you
Speaker 11: to improve your position for drafting. But there's one other
Speaker 11: component to this whole discussion, in my opinion, and see
Speaker 11: if you agree with me. I think there's ego. There
Speaker 11: was ego involved in the front office. Danny Ainge, his
Speaker 11: hands were tied. They didn't have financial flexibility with that
Speaker 11: team they had, that's true, and so he wanted to
Speaker 11: make an impact, and I think his ego came into
Speaker 11: it and said, I can't make an impact because my
Speaker 11: hands are tied right now. So he offloaded those guys.
Speaker 11: But he didn't offload enough. They didn't lose enough, and
Speaker 11: so now we've dragged this thing out for the last
Speaker 11: two and a half years.
Speaker 12: I guess the biggest point I think to look at
Speaker 12: in the future is, you know, he did make the move,
Speaker 12: so you go on, so what does he do with
Speaker 12: the picks and what do those picks actually turn out
Speaker 12: to be when you look back in jazz history and
Speaker 12: how those picks were used, whether to move another player
Speaker 12: and combine them or you know, sweeten a pot somewhere
Speaker 12: and make a deal with a you know, a sign
Speaker 12: and trade and you throw in a few you know,
Speaker 12: first rounders or whatever you have, because he's got a plethora.
Speaker 12: I want to use that word today, like it klethor
Speaker 12: of talent that we don't know what it is, but
Speaker 12: they're there. They're just a pick. But what do they become?
Speaker 12: What did they become? And how long does that take?
Speaker 12: One thing I think that's so important to remember is
Speaker 12: every team's facing this is the nineteen year old or
Speaker 12: the eighteen year old soon to be nineteen year old
Speaker 12: who does the one and out and isn't ready to
Speaker 12: play basketball at the pro level. But yet they have
Speaker 12: to develop them. And the Jazz take a lot of
Speaker 12: pride and development right in the G League and there's
Speaker 12: been players who've jumped, and obviously Gobert is one that
Speaker 12: excelled extremely high. But then you have to make sure
Speaker 12: that you keep them because I'm always I think if
Speaker 12: comes to mind development, all Star wants out big money
Speaker 12: and then the injury, you know that kind of sidelined him.
Speaker 12: And then you know, Donovan, you develop him and someone
Speaker 12: says you're really good. You got to go to a
Speaker 12: big market, and you got to embrace the moment and
Speaker 12: get all those accolades and all those commercials that you
Speaker 12: can get. You know, it's just it's it's hard, and
Speaker 12: I don't know how Danny's gonna play it. I don't
Speaker 12: know how the jazz will play it. I think the
Speaker 12: city Spence is growing rapidly. Hockey Olympics coming back. I
Speaker 12: get fatigued on hearing. Well, Utah is on a destination point,
Speaker 12: you know what it can be, and obviously winning helps that,
Speaker 12: but also the city is growing and people can do
Speaker 12: whatever the hell they want here, right, some people don't
Speaker 12: like that, by the way.
Speaker 6: You know, all right, Bowler hitting the town. You look
Speaker 6: like you just came from a nightclub where you did
Speaker 6: a sat crooning.
Speaker 7: The little comedy.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 7: Then of course I played the Trump and the Trump
Speaker 7: walk down at that point, Bowler, you make is true.
Speaker 7: It seems like jazz flute trump. Do you think the
Speaker 7: trompbone would be a fun instrument.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I had a buddy of mine that just ripped it
Speaker 12: and played it like it was like a really jazzy
Speaker 12: you know.
Speaker 10: Get too far down this dress sexy?
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 11: One other thing I saw something today I had to
Speaker 11: run by you guys.
Speaker 7: It was some betting service.
Speaker 11: Not that I bet, I don't, but it said that
Speaker 11: I guess what coach has the greatest odds to be
Speaker 11: fired first?
Speaker 7: Can't be Will and it's picked up his option for
Speaker 7: two five. I know, I don't get it. It's like,
Speaker 7: do you not understand what this is all about?
Speaker 10: Here?
Speaker 7: What's happening here? That ain't happening?
Speaker 6: No, and he's He's one of the things they found
Speaker 6: that's real. And uh, ultimately I believe they've got the rat.
Speaker 7: Guy coach and the team.
Speaker 6: You know, the last time we were in a spot
Speaker 6: like this with the Jazz was ty Corbyn's last year, right,
Speaker 6: And I often said on air in our old show,
Speaker 6: and Dennis never liked when I said this. I said,
Speaker 6: the day Dennis Lindsay took the job was Tyrone Corbyn's
Speaker 6: last days. Now he let Tye coach out of his
Speaker 6: contract haus he had one more year.
Speaker 10: But at the time they didn't use the same excuse me,
Speaker 10: they didn't use.
Speaker 7: The same verbiage that this front office does.
Speaker 6: But at the time they kind of did the same
Speaker 6: thing that Danny and Justin are doing now where they
Speaker 6: brought in some Vets. You know, you got the John
Speaker 6: Collins of the world. You got you know, the Jordan
Speaker 6: Clarkson's of the world. Back then it was Andrespidrin's. It
Speaker 6: was Marvin Williams at the end of his career, as
Speaker 6: Richard Jefferson at the end of his career. And then
Speaker 6: they decided to lean in to see what they had
Speaker 6: with the young players who were Trey Burke didn't work
Speaker 6: Alec Burks still in the league, had a good career.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: Jeremy Evans, Uh. Every off season we'd be like, hey,
Speaker 6: he can jump forty two inches ye and won the
Speaker 6: slam dunk. Yeah, but get a jumper up, Like, thanks
Speaker 6: for the thanks for the vert update. Can can my
Speaker 6: man learn to dribble? Derek Favors worked out? Yes, it did,
Speaker 6: Ennis Canter excuse me, Ennis Freedom. Freedom ultimately didn't work out,
Speaker 6: but had some bride spots, right. Go Beart was a rookie,
Speaker 6: popped All Star. Hayward third year popped, right. So it's
Speaker 6: kind of the same thing, right, So the question is
Speaker 6: who are the go Bearts and the Haywards and the
Speaker 6: Favors on this year's team. Because you've got the Vets
Speaker 6: with Collins and jac and but we're now trying to
Speaker 6: learn who these young players are going to be and
Speaker 6: when it's fully baked in a couple of years, are
Speaker 6: any of these young players going to be the next
Speaker 6: iteration of jazz basketball leading a competitive team?
Speaker 7: And only time will tell you.
Speaker 11: Would I bet let me guess what you would say
Speaker 11: to that Mark? And then obviously he's established. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 11: would you say Philipaskal?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I think Philipowski has a high, high ceiling. Now, look, Danny,
Speaker 12: he's listening. He could be laughing and maybe sees it
Speaker 12: a different way. And obviously he's won a championship as
Speaker 12: a player and a general manager. Kiante is still a
Speaker 12: work in progress. I think John College is having his
Speaker 12: best year in a long time.
Speaker 7: Codey Walliams long, Yeah, John John's you know what's right? Crazy?
Speaker 12: You know I do this every night, prep sheets and
Speaker 12: what have you, and you go, you know, he's he's
Speaker 12: an eight year pro and as he always played on
Speaker 12: a position sometimes Yeah, but I tell you the guy
Speaker 12: still has some hops. He can rebound, and he'll he'll
Speaker 12: play hard, as does Colin Sexton, who has a NonStop
Speaker 12: you know button. You know, here's a couple of guys
Speaker 12: that you have to wonder when they pop? Will they pop?
Speaker 12: Johnny jusse right, does he does he have a consistent three?
Speaker 12: Can he play d that you have to have to
Speaker 12: play in this league? And Bryce sends a baw who
Speaker 12: has an NBA body? But also can he do more
Speaker 12: than what he did at Ohio State and that shoot
Speaker 12: the triple?
Speaker 7: And can he defend?
Speaker 12: Right, losing Taylor Hendricks, you're gonna lose about a year
Speaker 12: and a half of development with him.
Speaker 7: Is he a score? Maybe not?
Speaker 12: Could he defend He's long, yes, but we're not going
Speaker 12: to find out how he fits into this group until
Speaker 12: probably January or February.
Speaker 7: Of twenty twenty six. Yeah, that's just the way it is.
Speaker 7: How about he's intriguing to me.
Speaker 12: Kind of the he's a stout point guard, brunts and like,
Speaker 12: but again, when does he pop?
Speaker 6: I mean, he's probably the most natural lead guard on
Speaker 6: the rock besides Patty you.
Speaker 12: Know, you know Keyante all everyone has to remember was
Speaker 12: not a point guard and he's learning the position still
Speaker 12: in the year two. He's only what ten games into
Speaker 12: his second year in the NBA, so that takes development.
Speaker 12: But Collyer has been had the ball in his hand
Speaker 12: and as a true point guard, audition driving, and he's intriguing.
Speaker 12: I'm anxious to see how he comes off the injury
Speaker 12: and developed. So there's see this conversation just tells us
Speaker 12: it takes time. And you said two to three years,
Speaker 12: and maybe that doesn't set well with Jazz fans, but
Speaker 12: you know they want a larger window. Danny has said
Speaker 12: this many times. They don't want just the three year
Speaker 12: The windows starting to starting to close in Denver, by
Speaker 12: the way, ten years in for the Joe, still at
Speaker 12: a high level. Injuries for Jamal Aaron Gordon. You know,
Speaker 12: we'll see what happens there. But the whole West is intriguing,
Speaker 12: aging great, great Hall of Fame players.
Speaker 7: We gotta we gotta catch a quick break.
Speaker 6: We've got a guest here, and then we've got to
Speaker 6: make space for Utah women's basketball.
Speaker 7: So we'll end on this. MAV's in town tonight.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Dallas, do you have an I I hate this man,
Speaker 10: So I pulled I pulled up the the the you know,
Speaker 10: the preview to.
Speaker 7: Kind of prep for the show today.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Kyrie Luca game time decisions, Yeah, I hate that.
Speaker 7: Are they playing I hate that. You know what, I
Speaker 7: don't have any privy.
Speaker 12: I get the same thing I'm waiting to hear from Dallas,
Speaker 12: and it bothers me. I do not want the Jazz
Speaker 12: to be a destination point for a hit pointer, a
Speaker 12: sore groin, or maybe a sore foot. See the fans, Look,
Speaker 12: the fans deserve better there. This is money, this is
Speaker 12: a business. They've lost three straight. Bind you and their
Speaker 12: mindset may not be all that, But Luca Clay Kyrie,
Speaker 12: and there's a couple of guys that they brought in
Speaker 12: last year in Gafford and Derek.
Speaker 7: Excuse me, PJ.
Speaker 12: Washington, who's on Derek Lively is really one of the
Speaker 12: up and coming bigs in the league in my opinion.
Speaker 11: So would Jazz fans rather the Jazz have a better
Speaker 11: chance to win and not have those players play, or
Speaker 11: do they want to see the stars play?
Speaker 12: I think if you asked a twelve year old fan,
Speaker 12: they want to see Luka Doncic battle the Utah Jazz,
Speaker 12: and they want to get a look at JC. They
Speaker 12: want to get a look at marketing, and they want
Speaker 12: to see the young bull run down the floor and
Speaker 12: be competitive.
Speaker 7: I think that's what fans want.
Speaker 12: They want to see the best against this young Jazz
Speaker 12: team and hopefully develop or pull off an upset. I
Speaker 12: hate to see teams or great players have to sit
Speaker 12: and take a day off. And the way that the league,
Speaker 12: I know, we got to go, Spence, but the way
Speaker 12: that the league has to they have to report to
Speaker 12: the league if they have a sore groin, that has
Speaker 12: to be reporting, and that can get them off the
Speaker 12: hook in case they warm up and they just can't go.
Speaker 7: But there's only one way to end this segment. How's that?
Speaker 7: Being all biblical and everything, how about an amen? Amen, Gordo,
Speaker 7: I like that.
Speaker 9: Amen.
Speaker 6: On a Thursday, bring a little scriptorial references on the
Speaker 6: on the program today.
Speaker 12: All right, but remember all huge Brown's fault, All honorable men, Spence,
Speaker 12: all belong to the same drive.
Speaker 7: This is very true and it's very well put.
Speaker 10: Gentlemen.
Speaker 6: Always a pleasure. Have a great cit Gordon. Okay, we'll
Speaker 6: see you guys soon. Aaron falk Joints just coming up next.
Speaker 6: We'll see why he hasn't posted Gordon's latest piece, So
Speaker 6: keep it here on ESPN seven hundred.
Speaker 7: Did Aaron ask for this? Yeah?
Speaker 6: All right, that's what I thought, indeed, we've got to
Speaker 6: give away. Do we need to talk about coming up
Speaker 6: a little bit. We won't do that now because it
Speaker 6: would be in poor taste. I'll explain later. Aaron Falk,
Speaker 6: Saltiltate Tribune, Well played, sir, Happy Thursday.
Speaker 13: Hey, happy Thursday, Spence. I got it. I gotta say
Speaker 13: really quick. Uh, one of the old the oldest I've
Speaker 13: ever felt in a sports world.
Speaker 7: I thought.
Speaker 13: I thought was watching Chipper Jones retire, someone that I
Speaker 13: grew up loving, and I'm watching this at a bar
Speaker 13: and it's his last game. I'm like, I feel something.
Speaker 13: But I'll say, listening to the commercial breaks and listening
Speaker 13: to Emma Smith on behalf of Depends dropped me to
Speaker 13: my need is now I feel a billion.
Speaker 7: Oh man, I need you that today. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 6: That combined with the bump man, you're coming in off
Speaker 6: the top, rub coming in hot man. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 6: All right, Aaron, Let's start with a very eventful Saturday
Speaker 6: night in Salt Lake City. Last Saturday is bringing me
Speaker 6: young rolled up to Saltake and went down to Provo
Speaker 6: with a win in their back pocket. They're now undefeated.
Speaker 6: You know what let's just get right to the good stuff.
Speaker 6: The holding call has been hotly debated. I don't think
Speaker 6: it's something that can be summarized with one reductive statement,
Speaker 6: like black or white in a vacuum.
Speaker 7: Yes, letter of the law.
Speaker 6: That is a foul and b YU fan will simply
Speaker 6: latch onto that.
Speaker 7: And that's not wrong. I want to be clear.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that it is, but it is a
Speaker 6: little bit more complex and nuanced. I thought Joel Klatt
Speaker 6: did a good job of equating it to a strike
Speaker 6: zone in baseball, where when the yump establishes what he's
Speaker 6: going to call that game, it kind of mandates you
Speaker 6: to adjust your swing to that strike zone. But what
Speaker 6: what was your takeaway from the holding call heard around
Speaker 6: the world that's Saturday night.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, I think I'm in that camp of
Speaker 13: you know, you look at you look at it, and
Speaker 13: you see, you know, you read the rule and you see,
Speaker 13: you know, once once a receiver is pass the point
Speaker 13: of being blocked and you see an arm extended like that,
Speaker 13: you put yourself in position to have that that flag
Speaker 13: thrown right like you know, Well, one day we can
Speaker 13: talk about the appearance of evil and the need to
Speaker 13: avoid it, right, But when you get into that situation,
Speaker 13: if if in fact, and I'm not smart enough nor
Speaker 13: did I pay close enough attention to know truly how
Speaker 13: how many times or that that play happened and wasn't.
Speaker 13: But clearly Kyle whitting amfields that that is a situation
Speaker 13: that they were allowed to get away with, not just
Speaker 13: in this game, but you know, in sort of Big
Speaker 13: twelve play throughout the year. He said, there's there is
Speaker 13: a difference between pac full officiating and Big twelve officiating
Speaker 13: in that regard. And to do that in a moment
Speaker 13: where you know the game is on the line, you're
Speaker 13: you're the largest crowd in stadium history is celebrating and
Speaker 13: you have to do it again, That's that is gutting.
Speaker 13: So I understand the frustration, and I understand the gloating
Speaker 13: on the other side. I mean, man, it is It's
Speaker 13: truly one of those things where it goes your way
Speaker 13: and you know you are we are a big believer
Speaker 13: in in backing the referees and it doesn't and we
Speaker 13: hate them all. I mean, it's it's it is truly
Speaker 13: just dependent on your personal bias at this.
Speaker 6: Point, Yeah, one hundred percent and that will color the
Speaker 6: judgment of fans, for sure. I try to exist in
Speaker 6: the space of being a little bit agnostic when it
Speaker 6: comes to doing the show so I can accurately do
Speaker 6: the job. And I like you, I get the frustration
Speaker 6: of the utes, and I get the elation of the
Speaker 6: cougars for sure.
Speaker 7: But let's move over to what happened Aaron. After the game.
Speaker 6: I was there, saw you and our guy ck up
Speaker 6: in the press box, and went down, watched the rest
Speaker 6: of the game on the sideline and went and said
Speaker 6: hello to Keladi and a Rod everybody after the game,
Speaker 6: offer my congratulations, and then kind of took the scene
Speaker 6: in dodging water bottles as I was right in front
Speaker 6: of the must a lot of water bottles being thrown,
Speaker 6: And as I'm making my way home walking across campus,
Speaker 6: my phone just blows up and all the messages were
Speaker 6: did you hear what Mark Harlan just said? And I said, no,
Speaker 6: I'm walking home, And so somebody sent me the link
Speaker 6: to the social video and I watched it and I went, oh, no,
Speaker 6: he is going to be in so much trouble based
Speaker 6: off of what appears to be a pretty no nonsense
Speaker 6: guy and Brett Yormark, the commissioner of the Big Twelve,
Speaker 6: and I actually Aaron thought forty k and a public
Speaker 6: reprimand was a good outcome when you question the integrity
Speaker 6: of the league and you use term like they stole
Speaker 6: it from us. I thought I'd wake up to a
Speaker 6: voice recording of Mark Harlan asking Brett, you or Mark
Speaker 6: to find him two more points. So it was not
Speaker 6: a great look for the ad who, in my experience,
Speaker 6: is a measured smart guy.
Speaker 7: I wonder what your takeaways were.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean I I was sitting in the you know,
Speaker 13: in the press box high above the field. Audio is
Speaker 13: pumping in all and so I'm not in that room.
Speaker 13: All of a sudden, you just hear the words I've
Speaker 13: been an athletic bread for twelve years, and my fingers
Speaker 13: took over and I'm just writing this quote down as
Speaker 13: fast as possible because I know what's coming is going
Speaker 13: to be something extremely interesting, right. I think this was
Speaker 13: a stunner, And you know, you look around and there
Speaker 13: are just so many takes where it's like, I've never
Speaker 13: I have not seen an athletic record do this, you know,
Speaker 13: It's just it's so rare, and I think you're you're
Speaker 13: spot on to use those where it's stolen it those
Speaker 13: are it's just inflammatory. And the thing that I'm still
Speaker 13: scratching my head about a little bit and wondering, you
Speaker 13: know what brett yor Mark really feels about all this
Speaker 13: is the is that line you know, we were happy
Speaker 13: to be in the Big twelve and tonight we're not.
Speaker 13: And and what whatever you want to say that we've
Speaker 13: we've heard for a decade how bad packed pub officiating
Speaker 13: was right and and now you know, if we want
Speaker 13: to talk about maybe maybe this is inconsistent Big twelve officiating.
Speaker 13: But this is a to me, I'm I'm still scratching
Speaker 13: my head that this is a Big twelve problem in
Speaker 13: the eyes of Mark Harlan and and what that actually means.
Speaker 13: And I'm trying to unpack that. And I'm not sure
Speaker 13: I have my answer yet. But I can see that
Speaker 13: line in particular, doing a lot of public relations damage
Speaker 13: for the university. Uh and it spans nation, you know,
Speaker 13: at least in truck stop country, as it is a
Speaker 13: lot of a lot of public relations.
Speaker 6: Damn sure. And it also does not help the narrative.
Speaker 6: And I don't live online, but I certainly am a
Speaker 6: human who does this for a living, so you have
Speaker 6: to stay plugged in to some extent. And I think
Speaker 6: it's very fair to say that several members of the
Speaker 6: Utah fan base were very how shall I say, confidence
Speaker 6: about year one of the Big Twelve, and probably with
Speaker 6: merit because this team was picked to win the conference
Speaker 6: by Vegas and the media and others. But that brought
Speaker 6: a lot of pushback from other people in the conference
Speaker 6: about the narrative that you think you're too good for us,
Speaker 6: you think you should be in the Big Ten, but
Speaker 6: you're not, and this is a necessary home for Utah
Speaker 6: until the next shift happens. And then when Mark says
Speaker 6: something like that, I just think it furthers the narrative
Speaker 6: that is permeating throughout the Big Twelve that Utah thinks
Speaker 6: they're too good for that conference.
Speaker 10: And you add to the fact they have one conference win.
Speaker 10: It's just you know, the Utah right now taking someone
Speaker 10: else in that direction.
Speaker 7: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean no doubt and and I guess to
Speaker 13: go back to it, and and you know, I think
Speaker 13: you could you could break this down in a in
Speaker 13: a level of conspiracy theory and and and we tried
Speaker 13: to reach out to UH to mister Harlan to get
Speaker 13: some some more information on what he meant here. You know,
Speaker 13: I think maybe maybe you can get some more. But
Speaker 13: I mean, if it's a big twelve issue, is it
Speaker 13: refereeing consistency or is it a big twelve issue that
Speaker 13: a conference leading team is getting set up better to
Speaker 13: be to be better positioned for a college football playoff spot.
Speaker 13: I mean, I can see how some conspiracy theorists go
Speaker 13: down a very deep and scary rabbit hole. And that's
Speaker 13: that's where I'm really really like questioning what that means.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a really good point, actually, really good angle
Speaker 6: to take, because I you just try to take him
Speaker 6: out his word and then give him the benefit of
Speaker 6: the doubt, because we certainly all deserve that. And I've
Speaker 6: had emotional moments in my life where I'd very much
Speaker 6: like a do over. I want to ask you one
Speaker 6: more thing about this, though, because I honestly, Aaron, from
Speaker 6: the minute I heard it Saturday night, I have just
Speaker 6: been thinking about his why why would you do that?
Speaker 6: You didn't have to ads don't do that? Is it
Speaker 6: showing his head coach that he has his back. Is
Speaker 6: it really believing to your point that something doesn't smell
Speaker 6: right here?
Speaker 7: Like if you're a smart guy.
Speaker 6: Like if I guess the simplest explanation, emotional after a
Speaker 6: loss five straight l's heat of the moment, robbery game
Speaker 6: stuff from you know, the scale of simply emotional to
Speaker 6: all the way on the other side of maybe something's
Speaker 6: afoot here. Why do you think he decided to take
Speaker 6: that that approach?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, you know, and so I'll walk it
Speaker 13: back and be you know, more more measured now here.
Speaker 13: But I think you the most likely outcome in any
Speaker 13: in any situation is we are emotional beings. This guy
Speaker 13: was pissed off, right, and and that's the only reason
Speaker 13: that you see him walking onto the field in the
Speaker 13: run of play and drawing that penalty. This is why
Speaker 13: you you know, you see him, you know, sometime after
Speaker 13: having at least enough time to pause and and and
Speaker 13: maybe have somebody say don't do this, to still be
Speaker 13: that fired up. I mean, he was clearly, clearly, clearly angry.
Speaker 13: I think that's the most likely you know, are we
Speaker 13: are we just sending a message or are we just
Speaker 13: venting that? This has been a very tough year and
Speaker 13: in this moment when you think you have a chance
Speaker 13: to you know, save your season a little bit, that
Speaker 13: everything just boils over and that that's probably the most
Speaker 13: likely outcome. I don't know that it's as conspiracy conspiratorialism
Speaker 13: as maybe it could be, but nevertheless, like wow, like
Speaker 13: a few people could have stopped him, he could have
Speaker 13: stopped himself, and here we are.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and uh, you know, the news cycle will
Speaker 6: move on and people will hone in on something else.
Speaker 6: I do think in ten years there and this will
Speaker 6: be known as the Mark Carlin game. You know we
Speaker 6: we we often label these games with a Beck to Harlene,
Speaker 6: a fourth and eighteen, a Brandon Burton block, a Brett Ratliffe.
Speaker 7: Crazy.
Speaker 6: Get this in ten years has to be the Mark
Speaker 6: Carlin Knight, doesn't it?
Speaker 13: Oh no, no doubt about it. I mean, and and
Speaker 13: that is you know, I'll say this, We can will
Speaker 13: break this down with a with a level of of
Speaker 13: of seriousness and scrutiny as we should right now. And
Speaker 13: it is absolutely the thing that becomes lore that that
Speaker 13: makes uh college football something that we that we care
Speaker 13: about and and focus on because there are moments like
Speaker 13: this there are there are emotions like this there. You know,
Speaker 13: the stakes are this high in Mark Carland's mind even
Speaker 13: in a season like that, and that that's why ultimately
Speaker 13: we care, why fans care, why anybody's in that stadium.
Speaker 7: What is your I don't know.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, what's your favorite part of
Speaker 6: the off field dynamic of that week? But what are
Speaker 6: what are some of the things you're You're a local,
Speaker 6: you're a resident. You are an aggie, not a cougar
Speaker 6: or a youth. So you're a bit agnostic in a
Speaker 6: way where I think you'd have a measured approach to
Speaker 6: the question, because the off field stuff, to me has
Speaker 6: always been so fascinating when it comes to Utah BYU
Speaker 6: football specifically and the week leading up and then the
Speaker 6: reaction afterwards, because you've got a BYU fan base that
Speaker 6: so badly wants the moral high ground all the time
Speaker 6: that after the game you're getting tweets about send me
Speaker 6: every video of a youth fan that said anything bad
Speaker 6: to you, and we'll post it and we'll call them out.
Speaker 6: And then you've got like the other side of youth
Speaker 6: fans that want to call out the piousness and the judgmental,
Speaker 6: holier than that latitude of the BYU fans and we're
Speaker 6: all this really weird, you know, extended family that probably
Speaker 6: has a lot of dysfunction. And I do think at
Speaker 6: the end of the day there's respect and love between
Speaker 6: the coaching staffs and the programs. But what are some
Speaker 6: of the elements about this week and this thing off
Speaker 6: the field that stand out most of you?
Speaker 13: Oh, I mean, I think just that it does create
Speaker 13: those types of bonds you know, within and we can
Speaker 13: you know, debate how healthy it is from time to time.
Speaker 13: But just the fact that you know, you you went,
Speaker 13: you went to the U. I'm sure you look across
Speaker 13: you know, you don't you don't have this bond because
Speaker 13: you shared chemistry cross with somebody, right like you don't
Speaker 13: have you don't have this bond just because of of
Speaker 13: that moment like this, uh, like the game itself and
Speaker 13: what that means is is so is so responsible for
Speaker 13: the like the love that so many people have for
Speaker 13: their college experience that I mean, I think it's it's
Speaker 13: a just so it's incredibly cool how powerful that is.
Speaker 13: Now sometimes it's a bit scary, but I think, you know,
Speaker 13: just just to know that there's something like that has
Speaker 13: that kind of ability. Is is awesome. And then you know,
Speaker 13: I mean there there are so many like dumb and
Speaker 13: and and good quality rivalry things happen, and like credit
Speaker 13: credit to the latter day sayings, so like that, put
Speaker 13: the score up in the in the hymns on Sunday afterwards,
Speaker 13: and are and are bringing our bringing smack talk to
Speaker 13: the pulpit in the name of the Lord. That is
Speaker 13: so funny. I'm sorry, it is, it is.
Speaker 7: It's awesome. The whole thing is hilarious to me.
Speaker 6: It's you know, and when you kind of remove the
Speaker 6: emotion and just more mostly observed the whole thing, it
Speaker 6: really is a fun week. And I thought it was
Speaker 6: a fun game. All right, let me move over here.
Speaker 6: So I did not know who Brandon Rose's mother was
Speaker 6: untel today, so shout out to I think it's Laurie Rose,
Speaker 6: Laura Lynn something like that, she said. I And I'm
Speaker 6: sure the folks up at the Utah Football facility are
Speaker 6: just thrilled about this today because she sent out a
Speaker 6: tweet that said prayers for Brandon please.
Speaker 7: This is Brandon Rose's mother via social media.
Speaker 6: He'll be having surgery today and Saturday night's game in
Speaker 6: the second quarter, just before halftime, he tore his Liz
Speaker 6: Frank ligament. They gave him heavy pain meds and a
Speaker 6: steel plated insul so he could continue playing. The doctor
Speaker 6: couldn't believe he was really even able to walk. This
Speaker 6: is extremely painful and your foot is totally unstable. Fortunately,
Speaker 6: with surgery, he'll make a full recovery and come back
Speaker 6: stronger than ever.
Speaker 7: I'll be with him in Utah for a few days
Speaker 7: out bout.
Speaker 6: We appreciate the calls, text messages and support now in
Speaker 6: the order of fairness. Earlier in the show, I received
Speaker 6: the message from a source who will remain unnamed, saying
Speaker 6: he did not get shot up, nor did he get
Speaker 6: any pain meds, nor has any athlete ever received pain
Speaker 6: medication opioids to return to the sport at the University
Speaker 6: of Utah. He received an anti inflammatory pill and he
Speaker 6: did not have a fracture. And I'll just say that
Speaker 6: that's coming from somebody who would absolutely know. So what's
Speaker 6: your reaction to this That apparently it was a second
Speaker 6: quarter injury. They marched him out there, played in the
Speaker 6: second half. Maybe explains the anemic offensive performance in the
Speaker 6: second half, but obviously this is something that broke today
Speaker 6: air and give me your thoughts.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, I will say this like one thing that
Speaker 13: I always have to do in moments like this, and
Speaker 13: it's hard and it takes a little bit of time.
Speaker 13: It's like, I truly don't know if this is Brandon Resimm.
Speaker 13: It probably is, but I have no like other other
Speaker 13: than than someone saying that they are. That's the only
Speaker 13: like I followed that account because I have never like
Speaker 13: had an interaction with that before. So I'm trying, you know,
Speaker 13: we're I think we're all trying to figure things out
Speaker 13: in real time. And like I said, very very likely
Speaker 13: that it is. Uh, you know, I don't have any
Speaker 13: any specific reason to doubt it at the moment, but
Speaker 13: like I always kind of come from a place of doubt,
Speaker 13: So I don't know. Part two, Uh, I am curious,
Speaker 13: and I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that that you've
Speaker 13: got that from from a source, because I am curious
Speaker 13: exactly how extensive you know, a halftime evaluation is in
Speaker 13: that moment, Like and just to say that there's no
Speaker 13: fracture would mean in my mind that there was an
Speaker 13: X ray right, Like there was something something done to
Speaker 13: to to prove where we are, because I think the
Speaker 13: reality is, you know, you look at these guys and
Speaker 13: and you know, it is a sport that breeds warrior mindset, right,
Speaker 13: and you're supposed to push through. Not only that, but
Speaker 13: you have a ton of adrenaline, you have a lot
Speaker 13: of peer pressure to go out and do it. So
Speaker 13: and and and probably a desire. I mean, Brandon Rose
Speaker 13: has been waiting a very long time to be a
Speaker 13: quarterback at that plays for the University of Utah, right
Speaker 13: and here he is in the middle of his moment
Speaker 13: playing well, and he's probably not incentivized to say, hey,
Speaker 13: you know what, I don't think I can go back
Speaker 13: out there because he doesn't want.
Speaker 7: To lose his job.
Speaker 13: He doesn't he doesn't want to lose that moment. So,
Speaker 13: you know, do I I think it's it's probably imperfect
Speaker 13: on a lot of levels. Do I think somebody was
Speaker 13: saying Brandon, I don't care, suck it up, go out
Speaker 13: there and do it. Maybe not as much as as
Speaker 13: it is just internalized by the entire setup of you know,
Speaker 13: here I am, I have my moment. I cannot say
Speaker 13: take me out right, And so when he doesn't look
Speaker 13: If he goes through those checks and he's saying he's
Speaker 13: gonna he's gonna go and he doesn't look bad, then
Speaker 13: I think you have to be like, you know that
Speaker 13: that makes sense. It makes sense that that that happens
Speaker 13: from time to time. The one that you know, I think,
Speaker 13: I feel like just kind of eye test wise, rising
Speaker 13: against Arizona State was one where we're like, maybe he
Speaker 13: says he can go, but I test here says this
Speaker 13: is not working.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 13: That's that's more of a head scratcher to me than
Speaker 13: than maybe the Brandon Road situation. But again, I don't
Speaker 13: know all the ins and outs what happened in that
Speaker 13: medical check or not?
Speaker 10: All right, buddy, before I say you loose, what was
Speaker 10: it like introducing the children to Gordon?
Speaker 9: You know what?
Speaker 13: They love them, They you know Gordon. Gordon brings a
Speaker 13: some some great historical knowledge and he doesn't take himself
Speaker 13: too seriously and he's down to help them out. Like
Speaker 13: that's that is the beautiful thing. I think a lot
Speaker 13: of people that have done these jobs for a long
Speaker 13: time and all of a sudden you get some eager,
Speaker 13: you know, twenty two year old who maybe you know
Speaker 13: know or think they know things that maybe they don't
Speaker 13: or whatever. It could it could reb you the wrong way.
Speaker 13: Gordon is there to help out and it's awesome.
Speaker 7: Gotta love it. I buddy, appreciate the time. Have a
Speaker 7: good weekend.
Speaker 13: Okay, hey, you too.
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Speaker 5: You ready, I'm always ready.
Speaker 7: I'm out. I'm done. I've had it. Well, it's it.
Speaker 5: It was a good run.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a good run. Eighteen years. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and uh, I'm done. I'm over it. You will no
Speaker 7: longer hear me doing this job starting tomorrow.
Speaker 5: How long.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna talk to some people.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna kick the tires, talk to some friends and
Speaker 6: family and you know, potentially reevaluate the situation over the weekend,
Speaker 6: and I might return.
Speaker 7: On Wednesday of next week.
Speaker 5: That sounds maybe, that sounds fun.
Speaker 7: But for now, I'm done. I've had it.
Speaker 5: Right, it's over sabbatical of some kind.
Speaker 7: I haven't had a day off since July. That's the
Speaker 7: last time I took a day off.
Speaker 5: Every day's a day off when you enjoy what you're doing.
Speaker 6: Oh, this is a fake job, let's be clear. But
Speaker 6: you know, some time away, Rivalry week Reaction week.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 6: It's a lot, and uh yeah, I'm gonna go play
Speaker 6: a little golf man. I'm gonna go little sun. So
Speaker 6: you'll hear Porter and Tony Parks on the show tomorrow
Speaker 6: and then as of right now, it's Porter and Scott
Speaker 6: Mitchell on Tuesday. There we go, and we're working on Monday.
Speaker 6: But nothing set in stone. It was gonna be Scott.
Speaker 6: He's got some stuff going on. So before we make
Speaker 6: way for a little Utah women's basketball is the Utah
Speaker 6: women are taking on Northwestern on the road. What comes
Speaker 6: our listeners way on a Porter Power Hour Friday show.
Speaker 5: There you go on a Friday Spence, it'll be as
Speaker 5: you mentioned, Tony Parks and I always fun chat with
Speaker 5: my guy. So Tony Parks, Tony Jones will stop by,
Speaker 5: Richard Smithy Smith will stop by. So we'll do some
Speaker 5: hoops to start off the show, and then Scott Mitchell
Speaker 5: will join the program live from Boulder ahead of of
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Speaker 5: Working on another college football guest for the afternoon as well.
Speaker 5: But as you know, when it's Tony Parks and I
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Speaker 5: Mossy and Zach Eric Weddle wed Coffy's gonna hop onto.
Speaker 6: Jaalen Johnson for our listeners that don't get the inside joke.
Speaker 6: Every time I take vacation, I check the show page
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Speaker 6: awesome football guests when I'm gone.
Speaker 5: It's happened a time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know me well enough to know by now,
Speaker 6: if you give me an inch, I'm gonna take a mile.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna hit you over there.
Speaker 5: Oh you're gonna take a mile or so.
Speaker 7: Yes, it's more of a bit.
Speaker 5: It's fun.
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