WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.519 Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Breaking News with Me Jeff Grub, 2 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:24.120 your host from giant bomb dot com. Thank you for 3 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.480 tuning in. In this episode, we're gonna be talking about 4 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.359 tariff chaos, which is making Nintendo bulk on switch to 5 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.799 pre orders, at least in the United States. It's gonna 6 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:34.479 be a show. I don't know if it's a good one. 7 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:36.600 I got Jane show with me. Jan, how are you doing. 8 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:42.640 I'm doing great. Nothing nothing bad could happen today or yes, far. 9 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:44.759 As I'm aware, nothing bad can ever happen to us. 10 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:48.399 Right, Yeah, that's that's true. As long as you keep 11 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:50.560 smiling Grub, everything's gonna be fine. 12 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.439 Uh huh. I just want to be stupid and happy, Jan, 13 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:55.560 that's all I need. 14 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:59.560 It's not working. Uh yeah, we're gonna get into it all, 15 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:02.399 but boy, it is. It's hitting the fan today. It's 16 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:07.359 really it's gone sideways and it just feels like hopeless 17 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:09.079 and it feels like it could get worse in a 18 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:12.359 lot of ways, you know, And that's just the video games. 19 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.359 Oh boy, it's gonna be a show, everybody. Let's explain what. 20 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:24.040 We Grab your power gloves, grab your Nintendo zappers, call 21 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:26.519 your representatives and head to the lighthouse. 22 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:31.560 Now do something, somebody do something, Go get you know what. Actually, 23 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:33.640 let's just send a Paul record after him. I think 24 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:35.280 that's what we do. I think we can get him 25 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.040 to annoy him just into submission. I think that's possible. 26 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.040 All right, let's explain what we do here. Let's just 27 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:43.560 get into it. Most weekdays, I Jeff Grubb, will help 28 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.760 piece your gaming life back together. That includes breaking news 29 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.040 and maybe even some of our own original reporting. For 30 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:51.959 all these topics, I'll get the input of a bona 31 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:53.920 fide expert who will make me look smart. If you 32 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.319 were watching live on Twitch, welcome. You can always listen 33 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:59.519 to the show later on podcast feeds by searching for 34 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:03.319 game break News or find the RSS on Harss feed 35 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.599 on giant bomb dot com. You can also catch the 36 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.759 show later on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have 37 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:11.960 a lot to get into, so let's start the morning 38 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:16.599 mess with Nintendo switch To. Preorders have been delayed due 39 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:20.759 to tariffs. Release date is still as of now June fifth. 40 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.840 This is from Stephen Petite at GameSpot, who got this 41 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.080 statement from Nintendo. Pre Orders for Nintendo switch To in 42 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.199 the US will not start on April ninth. In April nine, 43 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.639 twenty twenty five, in order for us to assess the 44 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:39.960 potential impact of tariffs and the evolving marketing conditions and 45 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.840 then parentheses in the United States. Nintendo will update timing 46 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.120 at a later date. The launch date of June fifth, 47 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:50.560 twenty twenty five is unchanged. So there's obviously a lot 48 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:52.360 of sides to this, but just right there. They were 49 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:56.360 originally going to begin preorders with retail partners and themselves. 50 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:58.560 Nintendo is going to do pre orders through their website 51 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.960 beginning on a April ninth. 52 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:03.919 Some people we are already getting their confirmation emails from 53 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:07.080 Nintendo saying exactly that, and the system is going to 54 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.039 be four hundred and fifty dollars and then five hundred 55 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:13.159 dollars bundled with Mario Kart World. That already felt like 56 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.919 very high prices, and that's jen they were definitely predicting tariffs, 57 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.919 like they factored tariffs into that price in the United States, 58 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:22.759 and of course then that. 59 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:24.400 Filters out to the rest of the world. That's just 60 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:25.759 how it works. 61 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.599 They were like, Okay, he's been talking about twenty twenty 62 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:33.000 five percent tariffs, especially on China. He has a bone 63 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:37.879 to pick with China constantly. Earlier this year, for Akawa 64 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.319 was talking about how they were going to deal with this. 65 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:44.039 They were asked explicitly about the potential of uncertainty and tariffs, 66 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.560 and they told investors and the people that represent investors that, hey, 67 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.759 we are diversifying where we produce these things, including Vietnam 68 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:58.039 and Cambodia and lo and behold. Hours after the Nintendo 69 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:03.960 switched to reveal on Roperation Day itself, Janichoa, Donald Trump announced, 70 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.039 I think it's forty six percent and forty nine percent 71 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:12.479 trade embargoes tariffs on Vietnam and Cambodia. 72 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:14.560 Those are they are the ones that actually get hit 73 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:15.479 the hardest. 74 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.079 So that what that just all that really means is 75 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:24.160 when Nintendo ships those consoles in from those countries, and 76 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.199 I suppose like there's always they could get creative and 77 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:27.439 try to launder them through some. 78 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:28.720 Other country, I guess. 79 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.399 But all countries across the world had like a baseline 80 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:34.759 tariff built in now of like ten percent. Most of 81 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:36.879 them have higher than that though, like the UK has 82 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:40.319 a ten percent tariff that's new and that's just baseline, 83 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:43.800 but most people are higher than that. But if they 84 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.160 try to ship a console from Cambodia or Vietnam or China, 85 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.120 which is also going to have high tariffs, obviously they 86 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.839 will have to basically pay about an extra fifty percent 87 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.600 on the price of that good. So that's all the 88 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.279 money now they were expecting twenty twenty five percent, mostly 89 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.639 just on China, and that like the pricing reflects that. 90 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.360 The pricing sort of you know, we know what they 91 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:08.680 want to charge for this thing, jan or like what 92 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.920 they like in a perfect world. Yeah, but they would 93 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.079 have been okay with charging on the low end, which 94 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.879 is what they charged are charging for the Japanese language 95 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.199 only region locked version of the switch to in Japan 96 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.240 that they're going to sell it retail there. That's about 97 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.480 three hundred dollars three hundred, three hundred and thirty dollars 98 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:28.360 in that range. You add you know, twenty five percent 99 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.360 on top of that, and you get to about what 100 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:32.399 the price is here. Uh, and then you have to 101 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:36.519 factor in a currency as well. So yeah, like that 102 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:38.160 it made sense like they were like, we're going to 103 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:39.360 price this same, We're going to go to the high 104 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.519 end so we can be prepared and be agile, And 105 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.680 no one was thinking that there would be about fifty 106 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.079 percent tariffs on Vietnam and Cambodia. Clearly not Nintendo, but 107 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:51.199 no one was. It was just it was just completely 108 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.600 out of nowhere. It is insane. It's bad policy. It 109 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.399 just straight up is bad policy. No one was expecting this, 110 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:02.120 and now Nintendo's in a just unprecedented position of having 111 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.240 to figure out, like, are they going to raise the 112 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:06.000 price on this or what are they going to do? 113 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.120 I mean, Jim, what like what happens next? I have 114 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:09.079 no idea. 115 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:13.240 I absolutely have no idea. And it seems insane that 116 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.519 there are people look trying to look on the positive 117 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.959 side of this and trying to push forward the ideal of, oh, 118 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.839 why does Nintendo just make these consoles in America? Yeah, 119 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:29.319 let's go ahead and try and create an infrastructure a 120 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:33.040 workforce that is nonexistent. Yeah, let's go make these in Washington, 121 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.680 where Nintendo's based out of an America. Yeah, where is 122 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:40.120 any of these chips going to come from in America? 123 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.680 It is absolutely insane. It is asinine to think that 124 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.519 that is something you can do, and to think that 125 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.279 none of this is targeted, that none of this is 126 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:59.480 politically motivated by these tariffs. Being specifically put onto Vietnam, Cambodia, China. 127 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:05.120 Is It's insane because Grup like they were already trying 128 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.439 to build the price in with the four fifty, the 129 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.120 five hundred, and to see the projected price of how 130 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.680 the region locked switch to is going to be in Japan, 131 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.680 the cards are on the table and the cards are shit. 132 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.600 It is too late the fold now for us in 133 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:29.759 the States, I don't know. Nintendo is in a terrible 134 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:37.319 spot and it is absolutely wild to me that the 135 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:43.120 Nintendo switched to maybe the catalyst or people, I hate 136 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.000 to say this to finally wake the fuck up. 137 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:50.160 It does feel like a moment, you know, in the 138 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:55.560 Nintendo's position is bad. Obviously, everyone's relationship to this country 139 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.560 right now is pretty bad, including the people who live 140 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.839 here us. It's a you know, do process is now 141 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:02.079 a question that's fun. 142 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.839 So we got a lot of issues. It's bad for everyone. 143 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.199 I think you're right though, despite you know, this government 144 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.279 disappearing people. This is the kind of stuff that does 145 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.000 break out. This is like everyone's like, look, I can't 146 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:17.240 I don't know what to do about this country saying 147 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.199 the Constitution is applicable only in certain circumstances. That's big 148 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.319 and scary, and I feel the same way. I don't 149 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.000 know what to do about that, but I was really 150 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.120 looking forward to the switch too. To help me forget 151 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.360 about all this. I was watching some people play Mario 152 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:32.600 Party today and I was getting excited about a Mario 153 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:33.200 Party game. 154 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.000 So That's where I'm at, and I'm I was, I'm like, 155 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:38.399 I know for a. 156 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.240 Fact now that I was so ready to pay the 157 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.480 price that they had already announced, because I'm like more 158 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:43.960 mad now I'm not gonna be able to pre order 159 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.240 this thing on April ninth. And this is such a weird, 160 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:50.720 awkward thing for a very like you know, switch to 161 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.720 announcements all over mainstream news yesterday. Right, it's a big 162 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:59.759 new consumer electronics product that gets headlines from Marketplace on 163 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:03.639 him and USA Today and all the nightly news shows 164 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.639 things like that, this sort of quick reversal and and 165 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.480 them explicitly stating it's because of tariffs. It's going to 166 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.159 break through to that that that mainstream news as well, 167 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.000 and maybe does bring more attention to just how crazy 168 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.519 this is. Although everyone is well aware of a stock 169 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:23.840 market diving and all that stuff, and and cog once 170 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:27.000 again over sessions and uh yeah, this it's bad from 171 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.240 every angle, but it's this kind of lightning rod that 172 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:30.440 can cause people to maybe. 173 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.679 Pay more attention than they would otherwise. I yeah, go 174 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.960 go no, no, no, go ahead, Sorry it was good, Okay. 175 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:41.080 So the other side of this, obviously, is why stop 176 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.960 pre orders if you know you're gonna end up charging 177 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.320 the same price? Right, Like, they're stopping pre orders because 178 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:48.759 they're like they're not sure if this is the price 179 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.240 they're going to go with anymore. And really, I don't 180 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:53.720 think they would stop pre orders even if they weren't sure. 181 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.559 I think they're sure they're going to raise the price again. 182 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:58.960 So let's uh, let's go with this next story from 183 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.240 Jessica Cogswell over a game spot switch to price likely 184 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.559 to increase as Nintendo pulls US preorders over Trump's new 185 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:10.039 tariff policies. Following President Trump unveiling the controversial new tariff plan, 186 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.240 Nintendo has announced that it is delayed US preorders, originally 187 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.240 scheduled to start on April ninth. A Nintendo representative has 188 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.120 since confirmed this state has been pushed back indefinitely in 189 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.639 order for the company to assess at the potential impact 190 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:25.120 of tariff's and evolving market conditions. As such, it is 191 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.879 likely we will see a sizeable increase in the console's 192 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.399 price before it is relisted. The full statement, which was 193 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.320 given to GameSpot via Nintendo spokesperson, could. 194 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.360 Be found below. It's that one we already read. 195 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.919 Nintendo's latest console has already been the subject of scrutiny 196 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:40.559 and more than a few jokes due to its four 197 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:42.759 hundred dollars four hundred and fifty dollars price tag and 198 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.960 the cost of its upcoming first party titles. Following its reveal, 199 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.080 Mario Kart World made headlines as Nintendo's priceiest game. It 200 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.919 doesn't include a physical accessory, and yet it seems like 201 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.960 prices will only go up from here. Okay, so let's 202 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.399 I mean, let's do a little math. I guess back 203 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:01.080 that I'm not going to get a calculator out or 204 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.840 something like that. But back to the Napkin math. If 205 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:05.799 it was twenty five percent on just one of the 206 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.480 territories in which they were producing this thing, and it 207 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:12.320 was you know, three thirty up to four fifty equivalent 208 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.480 from the Japanese yen over the US dollar from the 209 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:18.080 Japanese market to the US market or the global market. Uh, 210 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.879 make that fifty percent instead, and you know we're talking 211 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:25.200 five hundreds five point fifty. I mean at that point, 212 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:26.960 maybe six hundred dollars because you don't know what's going 213 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.360 to happen next. The reality is they don't know if 214 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.080 these tariffs are going to go through, but they have 215 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.519 to operate under the assumption that they will because if 216 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.679 they do, they're there. They're screwed. They you know, it's Nintendo. 217 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.080 They hate lose money. We could definitely argue that they 218 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:40.919 could just sell these things at a loss. They are 219 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.559 probably going to have to sell these things at a loss, 220 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.879 but there's no way they were making a fifty percent 221 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.279 profit margin on the hardware, not this early on. Even 222 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:53.080 though they use our old hardware. Components are still hard 223 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:54.879 to come by. Like it's that that that they still 224 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:56.679 have to get in line for the you know, for 225 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.480 the fabricators to actually make these chips, and there's a 226 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:01.639 lot of other smaller chips that you know, they have 227 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.919 to get in line for. And that stuff has since 228 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.759 the pandemic, been hard to come by. Now they can 229 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:10.320 demand a lot. They it's Nintendo, they have a customer 230 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:12.440 or they have vendors that will serve them, but that 231 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:16.159 stuff was already going to be expensive. I think that 232 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.279 the likely scenario whore is they try to just jacket 233 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:23.120 up fifty dollars and call it a day, five hundred 234 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.480 five point fifty, and you know they're not going to 235 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:26.200 be alone in this. 236 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:29.960 If these teariffs stand. Yeah, clearly PlayStation. 237 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:31.440 Is going to go up, Xbox is going to go up, 238 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:33.440 so it's gonna make Nintendo not look like the outlier 239 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.200 the way it did on April second. 240 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.919 But I'm how much can we really stand? And at 241 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:40.000 a certain point it's like, does. 242 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.559 God to you even release this system? Obviously they're going to, 243 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:44.679 but it just feels like, why are we even doing this? 244 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:49.679 Yeah, because Grub, it's not just going to be consoles 245 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.320 that are going to start increasing prices. It's going to 246 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:56.679 be everything that uses chips, every and that's appliance is 247 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.799 across the board. Now with how are day to day 248 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:05.039 has been affected by having smart devices in every little thing, 249 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.200 your game sets are gonna start rising in prices. But 250 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:17.840 the thing that I start worrying Grub is that the 251 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.000 the government has been able to kind of clamp down 252 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:25.200 and take away certain websites from certain states here in America, 253 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:30.200 right because that is considered though it messes with their 254 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:35.840 agenda and everything and with and those people have been 255 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:41.240 able to get by using other means. Now, the fact 256 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:46.399 that this console may be priced in a way that 257 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.159 is out of the realm of possibility for some people 258 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.200 to get. I know that some people may be budgeting 259 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.679 for three, four or five hundred dollars, this may be 260 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:00.840 going up to six hundred dollars, maybe seven hundred. And 261 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:06.279 the price of games also increasing, and that audience, the 262 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:11.279 gaming audience, becoming suddenly very vocal and now a very 263 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:20.440 important part of the voting demographic or whatever. I could 264 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.159 see this government starting to clamp down on video games 265 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:31.360 in a very hyper specific way that is asinine and 266 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:33.879 so fucking backwards in the world. 267 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:39.080 I mean, you know, they could try to implement tariffs 268 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.639 on digital goods, like they really could. That money is 269 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.679 going out of the country, let's tax it on its 270 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:47.960 way out, like when you make a digital purchase. That 271 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:50.399 that's something I think Trump, why would he not want. 272 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.320 To do that? He would he would want to do that. 273 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.480 That's money that he would want to capture. And like, 274 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.840 just like tariffs, are bad policy. Has said that earlier, 275 00:14:57.879 --> 00:14:59.240 like why does he like them so much? 276 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.320 It gives like, just imagine you're in a position and 277 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.639 you are obsessed with people coming to you and bending 278 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.600 the knee and begging you for stuff and putting you 279 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:09.159 in the position where you get to say yes or 280 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.759 no to the thing that they want most. Trump or 281 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.240 Trump's for Trump tariffs are that. Every single time, every 282 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.879 single single time he suggests a tariff, all of the 283 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.080 leaders of all these businesses come to him and ask 284 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.080 for exemptions. And so he loves this stuff, and we're 285 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:25.120 going to get more of it, not less. It's like 286 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:26.919 the one thing that he keeps doing, Like why is 287 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.120 this the one policy we keep coming back to, because 288 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.200 it's the one policy that leads directly to the thing 289 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.639 he needs most, which is people coming there and saying 290 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:34.519 how much they love him and. 291 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:35.759 How loyal they are to him. 292 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:41.200 So yes, imagining ways in which this could expand into 293 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.639 other aspects of our lives, into other aspects of video 294 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.960 games is reasonable because it's probably going to happen, like 295 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.240 it's probably going to happen. 296 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.000 And then if. 297 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:51.960 This does lead to a situation where there is a 298 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.559 backlash because of this video game company saying they're going 299 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.600 to delay things or raise a price explicitly because of 300 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.840 Trump's tariffs. You're right, he could get petty and come 301 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.840 back and begin regulating the industry and making things more 302 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.559 expensive in other ways, or prohibiting things from being sold 303 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.320 here certain games. Yeah, and who's gonna stop them. They 304 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.120 haven't been able to stop him doing anything else, So yeah, 305 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.159 this could get really out of hand. And again, it's 306 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.679 just it's just video games. It's not people disappearing or 307 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.240 do process being erased from the constitution. 308 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.080 But it's all part of the same thing. So it's 309 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.080 worth talking about. 310 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.200 And I see people saying, well, he might walk it back, 311 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.600 he might take it back, and it might whatever. But 312 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.039 the reality is he already put this on paper to 313 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:38.679 see if he could get away with it and see 314 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.279 the outrage that, Okay, if it's not I'm not increasing 315 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:46.000 terrorists by this percentage, I'll increase it by this percentage instead, 316 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:47.879 and then or he'll delay it. 317 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:49.919 For a month and then get bored and do it again, 318 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:52.639 which is what he's done over and over exactly. 319 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.159 So he's just like pushing and pushing and pushing to 320 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:59.879 see with what what he can get away with, the 321 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:02.759 reality is he's going to keep trying to do that, 322 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.240 even if he takes his word back on the existing 323 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.359 tariffs now or whatever else the agenda he's going to 324 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:10.000 push forward. 325 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.759 Yeah, this price could go up a lot, and you know, 326 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.319 I think as they will try to, they could even 327 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.039 raise it globally, although I don't think they will, but 328 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:23.720 that could increase arbitrage. 329 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:24.720 You know. 330 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.279 Part of this could be then deciding like, let's allocate 331 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.960 more systems to other territories while the US sort of 332 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.720 sorts this whole thing out, So there could be a 333 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.799 huge supply crunch, worse than it would have been otherwise. 334 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:39.079 It's. 335 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:42.319 Yeah, and to go back to the idea of this 336 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:47.160 creating domestic industry where these things are manufactured, No, that's 337 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.480 that won't happen. But even if it did, it would 338 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.279 take decades. It would take literally decades for that to happen. 339 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:54.839 So it wouldn't have any effect on the switch to 340 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.519 and he if he like, I don't even want to 341 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:02.079 like entertain that that's what this is about. It's it's 342 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.799 never really about that, Like he doesn't give a shit 343 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:08.160 about anyone, Like, of course he doesn't, are you joking 344 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:10.200 like this idea that why he listened to the news, 345 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.160 and they're saying the reason he's saying he's doing this 346 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.440 is because it's going to reindustrialize America, which you know 347 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.720 some experts disagree with. Like to even credulously and entertain 348 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.119 that idea is in embarrassment. We shouldn't be doing that. 349 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.440 And but like like if we want to play in 350 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.920 that space, just like to like pretend for a second. 351 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:31.000 Nah No, it's like it's a completely different economy than 352 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.839 it was one hundred and fifty years ago, and you 353 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:36.119 just shouldn't be surprised. And then the people that could 354 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.640 work those jobs, we don't let them in the country anymore, 355 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:40.240 or we kick him out, We round them up, and 356 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:41.440 then we send them to our Salvador. 357 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.200 Yeah, so we accident wort them and put them in jail. 358 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:50.839 Yesh god. Our friend of the site, Michael mikey O'Leary 359 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:55.559 had Blue Sky posted on Blue Sky that you know 360 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:59.519 it's worrying when Warrio sixty four has to put a 361 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:06.000 price in parentheses. Yes, because the prices may go up 362 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:07.359 and up and up. 363 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.759 Yep, I am I still really want this thing. I 364 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.359 want I want to switch to you know, I want 365 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:17.880 to find a way to get it right. In this moment, 366 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:19.519 it feels like, what is that even. 367 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:20.000 Going to look like? 368 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:23.160 Should I try to pre order one in Windsor and 369 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.559 go up there and cross the border and try to 370 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:27.440 sneak it across without telling customs? 371 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.000 So then I cause I think I would have to 372 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.079 pay the tariff if I did that. Like, I don't 373 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:34.200 know how that works exactly. I'm I'm no expert, but 374 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:38.359 like you have to declare it. I don't know, so 375 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.319 I'm gonna be a bootlegger. Jan, It's kind of what 376 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:41.000 I'm thinking now. 377 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:46.480 Dan and I wound up on CBC, the Canadian broadcast channel. 378 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:49.440 Maybe it's just time to move everyone up there. 379 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.559 Yeah, I wouldn't. Hey, let's do it. You guys were 380 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:55.119 big stars there on the CBC. I like to see 381 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:58.799 in that. Hey, you did get to see this thing, Jan, 382 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:02.119 You got to watch Dan Foy a lot of games, 383 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:05.559 you know, while you know a lot of people were 384 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:08.119 yelling at Nintendo about, you know, lower the price, lower 385 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:08.480 the price. 386 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.279 What was the vibes like at the event itself? For like, like, 387 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.079 this is pretty good? Right, That's kind of how you 388 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:13.920 guys came away from it. 389 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.599 Have you ever what's the opposite of being in a 390 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.680 burning building where everything else around you is burning, but 391 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.240 sure inside or having fun? 392 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:25.599 This is this is actually fine. 393 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.079 You're the dog this time, actually in a safe split space, 394 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:30.079 and the forest across the street is burning this time. 395 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:30.920 Okay, I got it. 396 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:33.759 Yes, yes, when I say I got that dog in me, 397 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:38.359 that is the dog I'm talking about, politely sipping coffee 398 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.240 wearing a fedora, saying this is fine. The vibes inside 399 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.680 were immaculate, grub like. Everything was great. We were all 400 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:54.119 having fun, and then we step outside. Okay, Sean a bunker, right, Yes, 401 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:54.559