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Speaker 2: Driver dot Com. And I'm hopeful that we'll be reacting
Speaker 2: to a win for Louisville. Obviously easier said than done.
Speaker 2: It's one of those games where you know you could
Speaker 2: play well and even feel like you might have taken
Speaker 2: a step forward as far as you know, cleaning things up.
Speaker 2: That's still really what we're waiting on is them to
Speaker 2: just you know, play winning football. And that's so vague
Speaker 2: and generic, but I mean that's what it is, right,
Speaker 2: It's just making you know, making winning plays instead of
Speaker 2: making losing plays that eliminate a drive or you know,
Speaker 2: give the give the opponent a new set of downs
Speaker 2: when they're on offense because you committed some kind of
Speaker 2: a silly penalty, right, you had the chance to get
Speaker 2: off the field on third down and you know you didn't.
Speaker 2: And there have been some calls throughout really the whole
Speaker 2: season where you know, you feel like, hey, it's it's
Speaker 2: a bad break, and it's because that was a fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty call and we got the wrong end of it.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that's not true, but I just
Speaker 2: I get why fans are complaining about officiating.
Speaker 3: I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really it doesn't even really hit the radar
Speaker 2: for me, because it's no matter what fans are gonna
Speaker 2: always talk about officiating and officials who are always gonna
Speaker 2: make mistakes. It's one thing we don't ever bring up
Speaker 2: when we talk about officiating and bad calls is that
Speaker 2: everybody should be aware meeting fans, players coaches, referees themselves.
Speaker 2: They're gonna make mistakes, and I think most refs would
Speaker 2: tell you, yeah, like we missed that one. Now, there
Speaker 2: are some refs I think that their ego would get
Speaker 2: in the way and they wouldn't acknowledge that.
Speaker 3: But they're humans. They make mistakes.
Speaker 2: And I think the reason officiating has been talked about
Speaker 2: so much this year is two things. One, it does
Speaker 2: kind of feel like there've been some you know, real
Speaker 2: head scratching calls that didn't go your way in a
Speaker 2: really big moment in the game. But it was a
Speaker 2: really big moment in the game, and you not getting
Speaker 2: the call or it, you know, not going your way.
Speaker 2: You know, it resulted in really the game being over
Speaker 2: for you. Right if you don't, if you don't make
Speaker 2: so many mistakes that are easily avoidable, you're not weeks
Speaker 2: later talking about a call against Notre Dame when they
Speaker 2: call pass interference on both sides or where the spot
Speaker 2: was in that game, those kind of things, so, you know,
Speaker 2: or the fumble against SMU that I think was a
Speaker 2: fumble and they somehow saw evidence that made it look
Speaker 2: not like a fumble. So you know, I think there
Speaker 2: were questionable calls against Georgia Tech too. In fact, when
Speaker 2: they gave Brient Key that time out after the ball
Speaker 2: had snapped over Haines King's head, I was losing my mind.
Speaker 2: My wife told me to calm down. I thought about
Speaker 2: getting a divorce. I was pissed, but you know what,
Speaker 2: I forgot about it after the game because they won.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't really going to get a divorce.
Speaker 2: But you know, I can be a lunatic at times
Speaker 2: when it comes to Louisville football, and you know, for
Speaker 2: just a brief moment, I'm like, if she thinks that
Speaker 2: was the right call and she wants me to calm down,
Speaker 2: then she can get the hell out of my life.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell her that, but I was thinking it
Speaker 2: for just a second and then I calm down, you know,
Speaker 2: because I'm I'm not always a lunatic. It just you know,
Speaker 2: I I flare up at times. All r let's bring
Speaker 2: him in. He's Zach Barnett FootballScoop dot Com. He's he's
Speaker 2: a lunatic for college football, right Zach.
Speaker 4: Oh, Yeah, my my family, my kids, all it's an
Speaker 4: event in my house now where they'll they'll go alert
Speaker 4: the others when dad gets up out of his chair
Speaker 4: to stand up to watch college football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your kids will do the same thing when
Speaker 2: they get older, right, I mean, it's it's just it's
Speaker 2: a way a lot, exactly exactly. And I and I
Speaker 2: trust that you know, I trust that you out raising him,
Speaker 2: right that from what I know of you, I'd assume
Speaker 2: the kids are gonna are going to fall in line
Speaker 2: and be lunatics about college football, just like the both
Speaker 2: of us, and that'll be a good thing. But before
Speaker 2: we dive in here, I got a few things I
Speaker 2: want to run through with you before we let you go.
Speaker 2: And we appreciate you as always making time for us.
Speaker 2: Do we have your attention this week?
Speaker 3: Louisville Miami.
Speaker 2: I don't know where it is on the radar for you,
Speaker 2: but obviously Miami is a team that a lot of
Speaker 2: folks think are in position to be one of those
Speaker 2: that get to participate in the first ever expanded college
Speaker 2: football playoff. A loss here wouldn't eliminate their ability to
Speaker 2: do that. But is this one of the games you're
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing it all? You know, we've had
Speaker 2: some games this year where I understand why you don't
Speaker 2: have it as you know, appointment viewing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll be doing radio. I'll be doing my radio
Speaker 5: show during the first hour of the game, so we'll
Speaker 5: have that on in the studio with one.
Speaker 6: Eye on the game and one I one eye on the.
Speaker 5: Task, and then I'll certainly be keeping an eye on
Speaker 5: it from from then on four. But it's also in
Speaker 5: competition with Nebraska Indiana John Soosiers, that's right at the
Speaker 5: same time slot.
Speaker 2: That's right, and hey, I mean who it's a wild
Speaker 2: world we're in now where Indiana football is in a
Speaker 2: game that people want to make sure they're watching. But
Speaker 2: that's the Signetti effect. But when it comes to this
Speaker 2: Miami team, you know, clearly cam Ward's a difference maker.
Speaker 2: I mean, he hasn't finished his one season. He's going
Speaker 2: to be there at Miami. But I think it's been
Speaker 2: a real reminder that maybe the biggest reason why the
Speaker 2: U hasn't at any point really been back to where
Speaker 2: they once were many many, many years ago is because
Speaker 2: they've had pretty subpar quarterback play. Cam Ward he's not that.
Speaker 2: He's pretty damn special, and I think it's one thing
Speaker 2: to have a guy that has some swagger and his
Speaker 2: energy is infectious if he's if he's a defensive back,
Speaker 2: or he's a running back, or he's a defensive lineman
Speaker 2: that's causing.
Speaker 3: Havoc in the backfield.
Speaker 2: If your quarterback is that guy, it can make a
Speaker 2: bigger impact than anybody else, I think, and I think
Speaker 2: we're seeing that with this Miami team. But are you
Speaker 2: more inclined to look at their last two games as
Speaker 2: oh man, they're really vulnerable vulnerable or is it more
Speaker 2: so of like, wow, they could have easily lost and
Speaker 2: now they're making winning plays where the old Miami wouldn't
Speaker 2: have done that. I'm sure it's a little bit of both,
Speaker 2: but just curious as to where you see they are
Speaker 2: coming off a bye week where they again they're fortunate
Speaker 2: to have those two victories they just had, not to
Speaker 2: say they didn't earn it, but could have easily gone
Speaker 2: a different direction in both those games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in regards to cam Ward, you know, I've seen
Speaker 5: plenty of quarterbacks in my day, as we all have,
Speaker 5: and I've never seen one play with the coolness to
Speaker 5: command the casual the casual ness that cam Ward does.
Speaker 5: I mean he's out there sometimes walking on the field
Speaker 5: during the middle during live action so I have to
Speaker 5: imagine that that is infectious to the rest of the team.
Speaker 5: And I mean that's proven that they don't panic. They're
Speaker 5: down thirty five to ten on the road in a
Speaker 5: night game across the country and came back to win.
Speaker 5: Usually teams, you know, we'll give everyone one game where
Speaker 5: you don't come out and play your best and you
Speaker 5: got to snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat,
Speaker 5: as the saying goes. But when that happens twice in
Speaker 5: a row, generally it's a sign that the defeats out
Speaker 5: there waiting for you, and eventually he's gonna knock on
Speaker 5: the door and walk his way in.
Speaker 6: Does that happen Saturday?
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, but I actually picked to Miami
Speaker 5: to go undefeated preseason, and now I have them losing
Speaker 5: a game, because generally when you come that close to
Speaker 5: losing twice, there's some real issues there.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, eventually it's gonna bite you, And as a
Speaker 2: Louisville fan myself, I'm hoping it bites them this Saturday.
Speaker 2: Jeff brom has it time. I mean not every year,
Speaker 2: but more often than not when he's been a head coach,
Speaker 2: he has found a big opportunity in the month of
Speaker 2: October and taking advantage of it to get a real
Speaker 2: Marque win, and Louisville needs it. I mean a loss here. Again,
Speaker 2: it's the expectation when it comes to point spreads, and
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a bad loss, but when you already
Speaker 2: have two, this is one that you really need if
Speaker 2: you're Louisville and you want to continue to at least,
Speaker 2: you know, monitor the acc standings and potentially see yourself
Speaker 2: with a shot to maybe get to Charlotte again. I
Speaker 2: mean Louisville having to play both Miami and Clemson is
Speaker 2: not ideal with them already having one loss in league play.
Speaker 2: But you know, if there was ever a moment to
Speaker 2: get it turned around, it would certainly be certainly be
Speaker 2: this Saturday. But Zach Barnette is our guest joining us
Speaker 2: here talking to some college football on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2: He covers college football for FootballScoop dot com. One of
Speaker 2: the things act that you put out there earlier today
Speaker 2: was the most watched games of the college football season
Speaker 2: thus far, the twenty five most watched games. Before you
Speaker 2: had those numbers in front of you, you know, was
Speaker 2: there I guess the better way to frame the question is,
Speaker 2: was there any real big surprise as far as which
Speaker 2: games maybe got more viewers than you would have expected
Speaker 2: or vice versa.
Speaker 7: No, I mean, I think generally it's.
Speaker 3: The same teams.
Speaker 8: They dominate viewership, right, Yeah, I think the depth of
Speaker 8: the SEC's dominance was once you kind of see the
Speaker 8: numbers in front of you, it kind of puts.
Speaker 6: The picture in the frame, so to speak.
Speaker 5: Because last year, I mean, the SEC was the most
Speaker 5: watched conference, but it was the viewership was a lot
Speaker 5: much more spread out last year than it is this year.
Speaker 5: And even I believe compared to years past, the PAC
Speaker 5: twelve was a widely watched conference and then we out
Speaker 5: We also had the Dion effect that it's certainly still
Speaker 5: there but has worn off quite a bit. It was
Speaker 5: kind of a one time deal last September. Now, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's the SEC in the Big.
Speaker 7: Ten's world, and everyone else is just just living in it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: There's I believe two accuh only games involved in in
Speaker 5: the top twenty five, and they're both Florida State losses,
Speaker 5: which is fun to watch in the at the time,
Speaker 5: and certainly Drew drew An audience Florida State's downfall, but
Speaker 5: not great for the conference's viewership long term.
Speaker 2: But wouldn't it wouldn't it be even worse if those
Speaker 2: Florida State games weren't in like standalone prime time spots
Speaker 2: Like I found myself and this is just the pessimist
Speaker 2: in me zact, but like as somebody who knows this
Speaker 2: stuff matters, people can like, you know, I get it.
Speaker 2: If you don't really care as a fan, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the domination by the two
Speaker 2: top leagues compared to everybody else, this is really what
Speaker 2: makes it stand out. Is they just dominate viewership. But
Speaker 2: if Florida State it's playing Boston College or Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: and it's not in those spots, like I think you'd
Speaker 2: have two less ACC games, right.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean there was the Florid State Clemson game,
Speaker 5: which is traditionally an event within the ACC, and I
Speaker 5: mean not that long ago. It was one of the
Speaker 5: the highlight on your schedule and put it on your
Speaker 5: fridge when you're jones and for college football in July,
Speaker 5: that was one of those games and.
Speaker 6: They went by without a blip.
Speaker 5: It didn't even get two million viewers I believe, and
Speaker 5: obviously Florida State's not what they not what they were
Speaker 5: last season. But at the same time, if the everyone's
Speaker 5: gonna say, well the SEC ABC is in the tank
Speaker 5: for the SEC, well there's SEC games going on in
Speaker 5: the in the eleven AM tire the noon time slot
Speaker 5: this coming week. But Miami Louisville got the time slot
Speaker 5: because Disney believes that that's going to draw the most
Speaker 5: viewers in that time slot. So it is to a
Speaker 5: point true that the ESPN is in the tank for
Speaker 5: the SEC, but ESPN is mostly in the tank for itself,
Speaker 5: and they're going to pump up the games they think
Speaker 5: they're going to draw the most eyeballs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for those who haven't seen the breakdown again, it's
Speaker 2: over at FootballScoop dot com. But when you look at
Speaker 2: the appearances when it comes to the league's no surprise,
Speaker 2: I mean domination by the SEC with twenty eight appearances
Speaker 2: in the top twenty five, twelve for the Big Ten,
Speaker 2: six for the ACC, two for the Big twelve, the
Speaker 2: Big twelve. Again, I mean, I guess I hadn't really
Speaker 2: given it much thought out of side, out of mind,
Speaker 2: but they really the biggest issue for them is they
Speaker 2: just don't have any type of a big brand that's
Speaker 2: going to generate much of a following outside of its
Speaker 2: own fan base. And you could say the same thing
Speaker 2: about the ACC overall, and it'll certainly be that way
Speaker 2: if some of these teams don't get better. But you know,
Speaker 2: if I'm a Big twelve fan like this because again
Speaker 2: this stuff, I mean, look, if you go out there
Speaker 2: and win, that's great, and if you're a fan, that's
Speaker 2: all you probably really care about. But when it comes
Speaker 2: to this survival of you know, you've got one Power
Speaker 2: five league that is no more. We can call the
Speaker 2: Pac twelve whatever they want to call it, but it's
Speaker 2: not what it once was. Like viewership and how much
Speaker 2: you know, how much how many people you reach, Like
Speaker 2: that's the ultimate thing that it comes down to, right
Speaker 2: when it comes to conference re alignment and really getting
Speaker 2: a big, big revenue deal for your league, right if
Speaker 2: people are watching, that gives you a chance to go
Speaker 2: back to the table and get get more money on
Speaker 2: your next reup. But I think if you're the ACC
Speaker 2: and the Big twelve and you're looking to potentially close
Speaker 2: this gap, so far this year numbers don't necessarily look
Speaker 2: as if you're going to be able to do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Big twelve saving grace is that it doesn't
Speaker 5: have a behemous fan base a great team like they've
Speaker 5: had in the past. But they've got a bunch of
Speaker 5: smaller engaged fan bases and a bunch of competitive teams.
Speaker 5: So whereas the September October might not ever be great
Speaker 5: from a viewership standpoint, with these new twelve team playoffs,
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a bunch of games every November. I mean,
Speaker 5: you're gonna go in with half the conference seemingly.
Speaker 7: In the hunt for the Big Twelve championship games.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna have a lot of Big Twelve games
Speaker 5: that are material to the conference championship race. So that's
Speaker 5: gonna be true for every conference, but I think it's
Speaker 5: gonna be more true for the Big Twelve, given that
Speaker 5: the floor and the ceiling of the conference are.
Speaker 7: Closer together than they are in any other conference.
Speaker 2: All Right, one more question for you, Zach, one of
Speaker 2: the I don't know how much you've if you've even
Speaker 2: seen this or followed it at all. In fact, even
Speaker 2: before this came out today from the USA today, you
Speaker 2: probably would have a good idea as far as how
Speaker 2: this breaks down. As far as the highest paid coaches
Speaker 2: in college football, Kirby Smart has created some separation between
Speaker 2: him and everybody else. He's making thirteen million, Dabbo eleven
Speaker 2: point one, Sark ten point six, and Lincoln Ryley just
Speaker 2: over ten, Ryan Day just over ten, Mike Norvell at
Speaker 2: ten million a year. Same thing with with Kaylen nevorr.
Speaker 2: Of a lot of these coaches in the top ten,
Speaker 2: many of them are struggling, or at least you know,
Speaker 2: the reason they're making a lot of money at these
Speaker 2: schools is because they're expected to have really, really good results.
Speaker 2: And you know, Mike Norvell, it's been a disaster. Ryan
Speaker 2: Day just lost another game against a good team, but
Speaker 2: you know he's supposed to win those games. He's at
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Lincoln Riley at USC. I mean, they're nowhere
Speaker 2: near what they thought they were getting with him.
Speaker 3: Dabo. You know, they've been.
Speaker 2: Playing really good football, but obviously it's been a talking
Speaker 2: point for the last couple of years that he's not
Speaker 2: really adjusted to this new world of college football. I
Speaker 2: guess my question here is of these coaches that are
Speaker 2: making an insane amount of money is any of these
Speaker 2: Are any of these guys legitimately, you know, in danger
Speaker 2: of losing their job anytime soon. I mean, I would
Speaker 2: imagine they have pretty hefty buyouts, but you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just feel like looking at this list,
Speaker 2: it kind of reminded me that there's coaches that we
Speaker 2: thought were going to be, you know, next up, that
Speaker 2: really have delivered. And then it also is just a
Speaker 2: reminder that, you know, I'm not really sure how, you know,
Speaker 2: how I would rank the best coaches in the sport
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we're we've kind of been having this
Speaker 5: conversation in a different way here in Dallas with Dak
Speaker 5: ps Dak Prescott's contract and now he's getting sixty million
Speaker 5: dollars a year or whatever it is, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: the number itself is eye popping, but it's his turn,
Speaker 5: and it's not necessarily a reflection of his quality.
Speaker 6: It's what's the.
Speaker 5: Market at when he gets a turn to uh, reset
Speaker 5: the price.
Speaker 7: And at the same time, it's.
Speaker 5: The number is bigger, but the impact on the cap
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily change. And it's also not going to turn
Speaker 5: him into a different quarterback.
Speaker 6: So I mean, it's kind of the same.
Speaker 3: It's kind of what you need in Dallas, right, we
Speaker 3: need a new order. Yeah that's true, that's true.
Speaker 7: But yeah, let's just say South Carolina.
Speaker 6: Is going to go hire a new coach before too long.
Speaker 5: They're gonna pay that guy probably seven eight million a
Speaker 5: year to keep him to stay what competitive with with
Speaker 5: the with the Clemson in Georgia and every all of
Speaker 5: their neighbors. But that just because they're paying whoever that
Speaker 5: that guy is, that doesn't necessarily make him the tenth
Speaker 5: best coach in college football or whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of it's timing and what the market
Speaker 2: is and all that. Yeah, I lied one more question,
Speaker 2: and it's this is kind of piggybacking off of what
Speaker 2: we're discussing here as far as what these coaches are
Speaker 2: making annually. I don't say this to troll Kentucky fans,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure they're going to hear it and think that,
Speaker 2: But I mean, when you look at Mark Stoops making
Speaker 2: over nine million a year, making more than Lane Kiffin,
Speaker 2: more than Josh Heipel, I mean, he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: best job in the country, but maybe he has the
Speaker 2: best situation. No, because he I mean, he's making over
Speaker 2: nine million a year and if he kind of stays
Speaker 2: the same where they're, you know, not the worst team
Speaker 2: in the SEC. They go to bowl games, you know, regularly.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I just feel like you can't
Speaker 2: find many coaches that don't have to do Like there's
Speaker 2: not nearly the pressure on him to make that nine
Speaker 2: million and get results like there is all the other coaches.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think it's crazy to say that
Speaker 2: he is one of the best situations you'll find in
Speaker 2: college football.
Speaker 6: Did you watch Game of Thrones? No?
Speaker 2: And I feel like a loser anytime I have to
Speaker 2: answer that question because I love television and I talk
Speaker 2: a lot about it, But it's the that and ted
Speaker 2: Lasso are the two shows that I've yet to hear
Speaker 2: a single person tell me that they don't love and
Speaker 2: yet I still haven't gotten around to watching him yet.
Speaker 5: Well there's a this is this example I'm gonna use.
Speaker 5: Isn't he actually in the show as a deleted seed,
Speaker 5: but Grand Master Paisel, who's just one of the palace
Speaker 5: attendance to the actual powerful people in the show, is
Speaker 5: having a conversation with Tywan Manister who's the most powerful
Speaker 5: person in the show, and they're just kind of getting
Speaker 5: into his whole bit and everything, and he kind of
Speaker 5: plays up how old he is and all that stuff,
Speaker 5: and it kind of boils down to, look, I just
Speaker 5: want to be involved in the game. I just want
Speaker 5: to be there. I don't want to be the most
Speaker 5: powerful person. I just want to be be around. And
Speaker 5: his the metaphor he uses the the tallest flower eventually
Speaker 5: gets picked and I just want to stay in the garden.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of Mark stoops, Like he's gotten so
Speaker 5: much praise that so many people would believe he's.
Speaker 6: A college football Hall of Famer. Uh, and I would
Speaker 6: have to.
Speaker 5: I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
Speaker 5: I bet you his career winning percentage is somewhere in there,
Speaker 5: in the range of six hundred.
Speaker 7: And he's never gonna sniff a Contage championship.
Speaker 5: So he's he's played the business side of it very smart,
Speaker 5: and that he's constantly he's reset the expectations at Kentucky
Speaker 5: and then and then stayed there for a long time.
Speaker 7: But there's a lot of guys who could win as.
Speaker 6: Many games at Kentucky as Mark Stewkes says.
Speaker 5: Like he's he's better than Joker Phillips. There, there's no
Speaker 5: denying that. But there's a bunch of guys out there
Speaker 5: that could do what he's doing at Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think their fans, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of them are starting to realize that.
Speaker 2: And that's why, I mean, they're they're kind of stuck because,
Speaker 2: you know, he he would take him getting a job
Speaker 2: that would pay him somewhere close to what he's making now,
Speaker 2: and I don't see that happening or him just deciding
Speaker 2: to walk away. But who's walking away from nine million dollars?
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to really just want to do
Speaker 2: something different and be very well off financially to just
Speaker 2: walk away from a nine million dollar a year deal.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think what you just said is what
Speaker 2: I think most Kentucky fans have started to realize this
Speaker 2: year with some of their head scratching losses, that you
Speaker 2: know what, like, this guy's done a good job, he's
Speaker 2: changed the standard, and we appreciate all that he's done,
Speaker 2: but for nine million, you could go get somebody to
Speaker 2: probably give you very similar results and do it for
Speaker 2: a lot less, but as a Louisville fan, I've you know,
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed seeing them lose to Vandy and to I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take it. I'm gonna take satisfaction in them losing
Speaker 2: these games because I still worry about when Louisvill plays
Speaker 2: him at the end of the year. But anyways, I'll
Speaker 2: quit rambling.
Speaker 7: Zach.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you making time as always. Enjoy another great
Speaker 2: weekend of college football, and we'll.
Speaker 3: Talk to you soon, brother, Some good things, all right.
Speaker 2: That's Zach Barnett FootballScoop dot Com. You know, he said
Speaker 2: what I think A lot of his colleagues that cover
Speaker 2: college football nationally have hesitated to say that, Yeah, Mark
Speaker 2: Shuss has done a good job at Kentucky for Kentucky,
Speaker 2: but you could get many to be able to kind
Speaker 2: of give you really the same, the same thing, and
Speaker 2: he is. I mean, every year there's an annual list
Speaker 2: of the top coaches in college football, and for a
Speaker 2: while he's fallen in the top twenty, sometimes top fifteen,
Speaker 2: depending on where you look. And I mean it's it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, whoever's putting that list together, it's just their opinion.
Speaker 7: But like.
Speaker 2: It's just because he's manipulated that Kentucky sucked for so
Speaker 2: long and now he's been average for the most part,
Speaker 2: and yet it just looks like it's way more impressive
Speaker 2: than it actually is. But anyways, quick break, we'll come
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Speaker 2: This text came in a little bit earlier. We were
Speaker 2: talking about the.
Speaker 3: The Patino thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, we weren't really getting into it, but I
Speaker 2: did mention what you guys probably already knew, and that
Speaker 2: was that since Rick talked about Louisville during his appearance
Speaker 2: at the Kentucky football game on Saturday and said that
Speaker 2: he's never had an invite back, but he loves his
Speaker 2: players and the fans, that has now been you know,
Speaker 2: has been shot down because I mean, that's just Rick,
Speaker 2: not being real smart, or he has a bad memory,
Speaker 2: maybe because he's really old.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But if in fact, you know that you have been
Speaker 2: invited back, not just by your former players who wanted
Speaker 2: you to come to the TBT or come to you know,
Speaker 2: just come back to Louisville whenever they're getting together. And
Speaker 2: then you know to hear that the university. I don't
Speaker 2: know who it was, if it was the new president
Speaker 2: or if it was Josh, I don't know, but it
Speaker 2: sounds like he was invited to come back when they
Speaker 2: honored the twenty thirteen team on the ten year anniversary,
Speaker 2: and he just chose not to so he didn't have
Speaker 2: to write He's not like, it's not as if he
Speaker 2: has to come back here. I mean, it's his choice,
Speaker 2: but to lie and say that you've never been invited back,
Speaker 2: like he got caught in the lie and it really
Speaker 2: shouldn't be a big surprise.
Speaker 3: But a couple of people have.
Speaker 2: Texted in kind of saying that that now that this
Speaker 2: is out there, this should be the old if it
Speaker 2: wasn't already, it should be the ultimate, Like, hey, the
Speaker 2: hell with this guy? And if you already feel that way,
Speaker 2: that's cool. If you're somebody that still just doesn't care
Speaker 2: because you appreciate that he did kind of revive the
Speaker 2: program at a time that it was needed in a
Speaker 2: major way. And you know, I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: this has been a reminder of the different eras of fans,
Speaker 2: meaning like really just age difference, you know, like I mean,
Speaker 2: those that are older than me are well aware that,
Speaker 2: Like when Rick came back, that was huge for Louisville
Speaker 2: because we lost momentum and relevance nationally just because in
Speaker 2: the nineties Denny had some good teams, but it was
Speaker 2: nowhere near what it was in the eighties. And you know,
Speaker 2: Rick was fresh off of a failed stint with the Celtics.
Speaker 2: But when he had left the college game just a
Speaker 2: few years before that, when he was at Kentucky, he
Speaker 2: was a rock star in a way that I'm not
Speaker 2: really sure. I mean, I can't remember. And again I
Speaker 2: was young at the time. But when Rick became, you know,
Speaker 2: a big, big name, not just in college.
Speaker 3: Troops but in sports like that was a big deal
Speaker 3: and it helped that.
Speaker 2: You know, he'd been a coach with the Knicks and
Speaker 2: was successful there, and then they decided to get rid
Speaker 2: of him. For you know, silly reasons it seemed. So
Speaker 2: you know, I think there are sort of different generations
Speaker 2: here that probably view this differently, And I think depending
Speaker 2: upon the circumstance, meaning like the age range in the
Speaker 2: the era that you kind of like were introduced to Rick,
Speaker 2: rather it be at Kentucky, rather it be at Louisville.
Speaker 2: Like I can, I can see everybody's perspective here, and
Speaker 2: I can see why some feel differently than others. In fact,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and everybody can you know, you
Speaker 2: don't have to feel a certain way because you're this.
Speaker 3: Age range or you're that age range.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I do get why the older fans
Speaker 2: aren't as much bothered by it because they lived and
Speaker 2: experienced Rick coaching at Kentucky and they do understand that
Speaker 2: like that is a place that would be special to him.
Speaker 2: But if you're somebody that only knows Louisville basketball when
Speaker 2: you're a kid and being Rick Patino as the coach,
Speaker 2: and even if you knew that he was previously a
Speaker 2: Kentucky you never lived to see it, you didn't experience it,
Speaker 2: Like I can see why just seeing him in that.
Speaker 3: Blue would be would be tough for you, But yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I still think eventually he'll come back, but
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I don't know when that is.
Speaker 2: I hope, I kind of hope it's not soon, you know,
Speaker 2: because I'm hopeful that Pat Kelsey gets off to a
Speaker 2: pretty good start, and like nobody's thinking about any other
Speaker 2: coach that coached here, and that could happen, right I mean,
Speaker 2: I think right now, obviously there's a lot of momentum
Speaker 2: for Pat and there's a lot of belief from the
Speaker 2: fan base that this thing is going to get turned around.
Speaker 2: I don't know how quickly that will happen, but you know,
Speaker 2: if this thing is successful, and I guess everybody's way
Speaker 2: of viewing it as a success could be different. But
Speaker 2: we know what happens around here when we've got good
Speaker 2: basketball to watch, When the product's good, the results are there,
Speaker 2: you feel as if you can compete at a really
Speaker 2: high level. I mean, that's where you want to be
Speaker 2: and that's where you can be. And now we just
Speaker 2: have to wait and see if and when that does happen.
Speaker 2: But as far as being able to like realistically feel
Speaker 2: good about it, we're already there. And I think a
Speaker 2: lot of us had a couple of years where you
Speaker 2: tried to convince yourself that maybe you could get there,
Speaker 2: but it just you know, it wasn't it wasn't realistic
Speaker 2: with the previous regime. And now we wait and see
Speaker 2: if this new staff, this new era gets us back
Speaker 2: to where we want to be. All right, So let's
Speaker 2: talk about the team photo, and I I kind of feel,
Speaker 2: you know, like I don't even need to bring it
Speaker 2: up because it you know, it's not a good look.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a good look for U of L yesterday,
Speaker 2: and it really is a silly thing that was created
Speaker 2: just by trolls from our from you know, the rivalry
Speaker 2: Kentucky fans on the internet and you know KSR having
Speaker 2: fun with it because that's that's what a you know,
Speaker 2: that's what a rivalry is. But for those who missed
Speaker 2: my comments on it in the three o'clock hour, I
Speaker 2: guess I'll resettle overall here. There was a picture yesterday
Speaker 2: taken before they were actually taking the team photo, before
Speaker 2: the team photographer, the you you know, somebody the photographer
Speaker 2: who works for UL Athletics, before they got the flash
Speaker 2: set up and all the lighting and took a real
Speaker 2: professional photo the guys were just kind of sitting there
Speaker 2: waiting to eventually have their picture taken and be told, hey, everybody,
Speaker 2: look on the counter of three, I'm going to snap
Speaker 2: this picture. So those covering media Day, Matt mcgavick was
Speaker 2: the one who snapped the picture and posted up on Twitter,
Speaker 2: and of course it had a quarter of a million
Speaker 2: views within twenty four hours. And everybody's making fun of
Speaker 2: the facial expressions, the look on their face, the body language.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just it was not a flattering look
Speaker 2: in any way. And it's understandable because again, like they
Speaker 2: weren't they weren't they didn't know they were getting their
Speaker 2: picture taken. I mean, maybe they should have been a
Speaker 2: little more aware, but I'm not gonna blame any of
Speaker 2: these guys who were just sitting there getting ready to
Speaker 2: have their picture taken. But it kind of became, you know,
Speaker 2: it was, hey, look, Louisville fans on you know, even
Speaker 2: those that you know are often times, you know, in
Speaker 2: the trenches, if you will, on the toxic wasteland that
Speaker 2: is Twitter, battling with Kentucky fans over the rivalry. Like
Speaker 2: even some of those people were like, man, come on,
Speaker 2: like like why did somebody share this picture? Like who
Speaker 2: would look at this and think, hey, let's put this
Speaker 2: on the internet for everybody to dissect and let's be
Speaker 2: aware of the rival and know how they can be
Speaker 2: when it comes to things like this. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: defend Matt mcgavick because he's one of many people that
Speaker 2: took a picture yesterday, but his is the one that
Speaker 2: ended up, I think, being the least flattering and being
Speaker 2: the one that you know, went viral. And I can
Speaker 2: appreciate some awareness here from the U OFL men's basketball
Speaker 2: Twitter kind I'm not sure who runs that, but it
Speaker 2: said the actual twenty twenty four twenty five Louisville men's
Speaker 2: basketball team photo and it looks a lot better. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's again, it's I'm sure many of you have had
Speaker 2: your picture taken without knowing and you look at it
Speaker 2: and you think, delete that right now. You m effort like,
Speaker 2: what the hell was that? My facial expression's way off.
Speaker 2: I look ridiculous, And that's kind of what this turned into.
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't have a strong reaction to
Speaker 2: it other than just knowing that like I don't, I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I think if Matt looked at it
Speaker 2: and thought about it. He might not have posted it,
Speaker 2: but I get why he didn't because most people wouldn't
Speaker 2: like analyze the facial expressions and the body language of
Speaker 2: every single person when you're taking a picture of you know,
Speaker 2: sixteen people sitting down. But we have had a few
Speaker 2: moments in the last I don't know, maybe it's been
Speaker 2: longer than the last couple of months. But putting out
Speaker 2: the clip from Jeff Bram's radio show of him making
Speaker 2: a tongue in cheek comment that was a non second
Speaker 2: clip about the officiating in the Governor's Cup game. He
Speaker 2: wasn't blaming the officials, but you know what, to put
Speaker 2: that out there, all it did was give the rival
Speaker 2: an opportunity to claim that Jeff Brom is blaming officiating
Speaker 2: for why Louisville lost to Kentucky last year, which Jeff
Speaker 2: didn't do that. That really wasn't what it was. But like,
Speaker 2: you gave the rival ammunition to just clown you. And
Speaker 2: you can say you don't care, but you do. Some
Speaker 2: people don't, some care more than others. But like, that's
Speaker 2: what makes this rivalry great. It's just the constant back
Speaker 2: and forth between both sides. And then there was another
Speaker 2: Twitter account, State of Louisville, and I believe that whoever
Speaker 2: runs that account, Like as far as the Twitter account,
Speaker 2: I think there's multiple people that are affiliated, but I
Speaker 2: think they are big louisvill fans and they care about
Speaker 2: U of L and they wouldn't never do anything to
Speaker 2: try to like make them look bad. But you know,
Speaker 2: listing all of the events going on on a Saturday,
Speaker 2: including you know, a Bats game, night, racing at slugger,
Speaker 2: kids soccer games, and little league football. Like again, I
Speaker 2: think you were coming from a good spot, but all
Speaker 2: it did was hand a weapon too the rival and
Speaker 2: be like these losers are gonna have anybody at their
Speaker 2: game because they're gonna go to the Bats game and
Speaker 2: participate in Star Wars night like you know, Like maybe
Speaker 2: again you can say you don't care, and again I
Speaker 2: think all this is just what the rivalry is and
Speaker 2: nobody's got it. But like I would advise those to
Speaker 2: be a little more, just a little bit more mindful
Speaker 2: of like, Okay, how can this be perceived even if
Speaker 2: you don't mean for it to be taken in a
Speaker 2: certain direction, Just be a little you know, cause again
Speaker 2: that it wasn't just UK fans like that. Make sure
Speaker 2: yesterday on Twitter was being shared by I mean, Trilly Donovan, who,
Speaker 2: let's be honest. Is there a guy with more juice
Speaker 2: right now when it comes to covering college basketball and
Speaker 2: reaching college basketball fans than Trilly?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And he's sharing it making fun a louisval. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just one of those things that even
Speaker 2: if you can just claim it's nonsense on the internet
Speaker 2: trolls being trolls, you still would prefer not to have
Speaker 2: it out there for people to just make fun of.
Speaker 2: But I will defend Mat mcavit because I don't think,
Speaker 2: you know, there was any intent there at all, and
Speaker 2: he did later delete it, and that's one question I
Speaker 2: would ask Matt. Maybe I will ask him, like it's
Speaker 2: one thing to delete it, you know, right away. It's
Speaker 2: another thing to delete it when the damage has already done.
Speaker 2: But maybe he was asked to delete it by somebody
Speaker 2: at uve L. I don't know, and you know they
Speaker 2: probably didn't and they shouldn't, but it is nice to
Speaker 2: at least, you know, kind of be in the in
Speaker 2: the in the weeds again with with you know, the
Speaker 2: other side of this rivalry, Like, I don't think any
Speaker 2: of us In fact, here's something none of us know
Speaker 2: how how either coach is going to work out, right,
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey or Mark Pope, But we are kind of
Speaker 2: both starting in a relatively similar spot as far as
Speaker 2: like how good the teams could be. Now, maybe we're wrong.
Speaker 2: Maybe Kentucky ends up being way better than Louisville this year.
Speaker 2: Maybe Louisille ends up being way better than them. None
Speaker 2: of us really know, and we can guess, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: That's what you do, right, That's all you can do
Speaker 2: until you actually get results. But for it to be
Speaker 2: new for both sides, you know, it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: better than than than where it was in recent years
Speaker 2: where we had a really good coach for a while,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't beat Calip Perry and that was Rick
Speaker 2: didn't beat him very often. And then you know you
Speaker 2: had the whole Mac thing, and you know he did
Speaker 2: beat him once in the what two three times they played,
Speaker 2: I think it was. And then with Kenny, like it
Speaker 2: was just weird, Like the rivalry will never be more
Speaker 2: weird than it was with Kenny here because when we
Speaker 2: were so lifeless, when we played anybody, let alone our rival,
Speaker 2: and yet we knew that the guy that was here
Speaker 2: like loved Kentucky seemingly more than he loved us, Which, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, the biggest moment in the rivalry during the
Speaker 1: kiny Paign era was your rant last year about the redout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't I would like it.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I'd probably be uncomfortable if I heard that, but you know,
Speaker 2: but I mean I meant it.
Speaker 3: You know, it was it was.
Speaker 2: It was genuinely something that I you know, I felt
Speaker 2: was you know, avoidable. All right, we got a lot
Speaker 2: of I mean, I think that wasn't that announced, Like
Speaker 2: the day we had three different press releases about what
Speaker 2: the hell's going on with Karan Davis?
Speaker 3: Remember that whole mess that day? That was the day
Speaker 3: because you had.
Speaker 2: The Koran Davis Shenanigans, that whole circus. You had the
Speaker 2: announcement of a redout whenever, Like it was quite clear
Speaker 2: that when this game takes place in a week, there's
Speaker 2: going to be more blue than red. Let's not give
Speaker 2: them an invitation to start monitoring the crowd to see
Speaker 2: how our redout is going. And then you turned around
Speaker 2: that night and lost to Arkansas State and insane and
Speaker 2: insane embarrassment and in a very embarrassing way. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't like a big surprise, but like that was just
Speaker 2: the cherry on top that you got demolished by a
Speaker 2: bad Arkansas State team when you're coming off of a
Speaker 2: very embarrassing loss to the Paul And I remember that
Speaker 2: night we had a post game, so I think that
Speaker 2: game started later. I don't know if it was a
Speaker 2: nine o'clock tip, but it it was later than seven,
Speaker 2: so it might have been eight or nine o'clock. And
Speaker 2: I remember ended up happening very often, Like you know,
Speaker 2: you hear from people who work at Ourheart they're like,
Speaker 2: wait a second, Like you are getting more people to
Speaker 2: listen than like ever.
Speaker 6: And it was.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like that was sort of like I
Speaker 2: doubt that was the moment where a lot of people
Speaker 2: knew that it was not going to work out well,
Speaker 2: because you know, I think people knew long before that,
Speaker 2: but that was like that was the night where I knew.
Speaker 2: Given the whole day and the overall situation U of
Speaker 2: l Hoops was in, there were probably a lot of
Speaker 2: people who are at all Louisville fans that were trying
Speaker 2: to find a Louisville basketball postgame show because they're bored
Speaker 2: and they like to just enjoy others misery. And I
Speaker 2: was the beginning of the I hope we gave him
Speaker 2: a treat.
Speaker 3: And that was the beginning of the conversations of whether
Speaker 3: or not he would be fired before Yeah. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: end of the year, yep, because it was round.
Speaker 2: It was in December and it was starting to you know,
Speaker 2: and that was when, I mean, that was gosh, it's
Speaker 2: such a mess.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who they played, but they ended up
Speaker 2: beating somebody, and then Kenny talked about bringing in some visitor.
Speaker 2: It might have been Carter Knox, and it was just embarrassing,
Speaker 2: how you know, anybody was trying to act like this
Speaker 2: wasn't a complete train wreck that needed to end as
Speaker 2: soon as possible. And it did end, which is good
Speaker 2: and now we've got some positive energy. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I I you know, I kind of just did it
Speaker 2: there without realizing. Like thinking back on that era, I
Speaker 2: think the longer time, the more time passes, hopefully the
Speaker 2: PTSD will fade, but also it'll seem more unbelovable. It'll
Speaker 2: seem more like no way that happened, right, And I
Speaker 2: don't mean just that era, I mean everything included. I
Speaker 2: mean it was it was wild. All right, quick break,
Speaker 2: We'll come back on the other side. Wrap at the
Speaker 2: four o'clock hour.
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Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 2: One of the things we discussed with Zach Barnett earlier
Speaker 2: who joined us at the beginning of the four o'clock
Speaker 2: hour was the list of the top twenty five most
Speaker 2: watched college football games so far this season. And it's
Speaker 2: probably not a surprise to anybody to see which games
Speaker 2: ended up getting the most viewers. It's games that feature,
Speaker 2: you know, the biggest brands in the sport, George Alabama
Speaker 2: number one, just under twelve million, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, Michigan, USC, LSU,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Texas, A and M. So you know, it's
Speaker 2: not a huge surprise. But when it comes to how
Speaker 2: you know your league, if you're not the Big ten
Speaker 2: or the SEC, if you're trying to close the gap,
Speaker 2: and look, fans can't do anything about it. I mean
Speaker 2: other than potentially watch. But I mean, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're a fan, you're already watching. You need people to
Speaker 2: watch that aren't typically you know, they aren't huge fans,
Speaker 2: they're just watching because they're you know, they they want
Speaker 2: to see good football. You know, it's out, it's out
Speaker 2: of your control as a fan, and it really is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even really know. There's nothing you
Speaker 2: can do to like just you can't implement some kind
Speaker 2: of change that has people wanting to watch Virginia Tech
Speaker 2: and Clemson at the same level they want to watch
Speaker 2: Georgia Alabama. It's just really not realistic. However, that matters, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're ESPN and the ACC is going
Speaker 2: to come to you and say we need more money,
Speaker 2: we're falling behind, this is where you would be able
Speaker 2: to claim that you you have maybe not leverage, but
Speaker 2: here's why we deserve more money, because we're bringing a
Speaker 2: lot of eyeballs to Disney, of course, which owns ESPN.
Speaker 2: And I mean, again it's not surprise, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: I guess a reminder that there's a reason why the
Speaker 2: Big ten and the SEC are able to bring in
Speaker 2: annually such a huge amount of money for each member
Speaker 2: because they got a lot of people watching. And yeah,
Speaker 2: teams like Mississippi State and Vandy in South Carolina and Kentucky,
Speaker 2: they're not commanding a big number unless they're playing a
Speaker 2: big time opponent. But either way, it's a collective share.
Speaker 2: That's how it works. But this is where Florida State
Speaker 2: and Clemson and maybe even Miami can look at the
Speaker 2: rest of the league and say, we should be getting
Speaker 2: a lot more money than everybody else. And they've made
Speaker 2: some kind of incentive based performance bonuses. I guess you
Speaker 2: could call them that to where if you are somebody
Speaker 2: that is bringing in a lot more than you're gonna
Speaker 2: take a little bit more. But the most watched ACC
Speaker 2: game that did not include Florida State, Clemson, Miami is
Speaker 2: SMU and Louisville, which drew one point four million. And
Speaker 2: this isn't like I told you so a moment, But
Speaker 2: remember when I kept saying, hey, you're leading right in
Speaker 2: two game days ending on ESPN and they're going right
Speaker 2: d You're gonna have just a built in audience at
Speaker 2: the beginning of that that will impact your number. So clearly,
Speaker 2: Louisville's most watched game at this point has been that
Speaker 2: SMU game, which is what I kind of thought. It
Speaker 2: sounded crazy, but you just have to keep in mind
Speaker 2: if you're on you know, the big stick that is
Speaker 2: just standard ESPN, you're gonna get a lot of viewers.
Speaker 2: You get a lot of viewers on Saturday as well,
Speaker 2: because it's ABC at noon and it's Miami, a team
Speaker 2: that does not have maybe a huge national audience, but
Speaker 2: more than most. But you know, that's where it really
Speaker 2: comes down to, right when it comes to being able
Speaker 2: to get more money, you need to bring more eyeballs
Speaker 2: to your league overall, and I just don't really know.
Speaker 3: How you can do that.
Speaker 2: Like maybe if, in fact, like Virginia Tech gets back
Speaker 2: to where they once were many many years ago, because
Speaker 2: they used to be a bigger brand in the sport,
Speaker 2: maybe not an elite one, but certainly better than they've
Speaker 2: been in a long time. You know, Louisville does decent,
Speaker 2: but you know, they're not a team that people just
Speaker 2: sit around and watch because they just are entertained by Louisville.
Speaker 2: It's mostly Louisville fans, or Louisville playing in a big
Speaker 2: game that's going to attract interest or you know, you
Speaker 2: have a once in a lifetime player named Lamar Jackson
Speaker 2: that people want to watch. So again, it's not a surprised,
Speaker 2: it's not really like negative news. It's just I guess
Speaker 2: you know, that's something that is going to always keep
Speaker 2: you very far behind. I think the big ten in
Speaker 2: the SEC is that people just don't tune in to
Speaker 2: watch you like they watch those leagues, and that's why
Speaker 2: they've got so much more money than you.
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