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Speaker 1: Dirty hands means clean theology. Can you dig it? What's

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going on? All my local guys and gals and long

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distance polls.

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Speaker 2: We're back, We are back. We are back back in

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the saddle again, as you like to say.

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Speaker 1: Down a sasquatch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, we got Ben's in full spring planning,

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you know, full farm mode right now.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna have to threaten him real good and

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tell we're gonna give him some pink slips. He always

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talks about, you know, don't don't be a county worker. Yeah,

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don't be a county worker being show up to work.

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You're like a union guy shows up on payday and

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we don't even have a payday.

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Speaker 2: We sure don't. Well, what else is going on? Anything new?

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Speaker 1: Nothing new, just working and coming home. At least the

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weather is getting a little better so you can actually

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get out to play a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's been absolutely beautiful outside, absolutely loving that weather. Well,

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I got all got a whole farm, and I keep

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getting new animals. I gotta. I got a new rabbit

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the other day and it turned into my rabbit somehow,

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and uh, it just sits on my shoulder like a

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little parrot. I should have brought it back here but

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another time, another time. But but no, that's pretty much

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about it. Soccer. Oh well, soccer is always done. So

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Jack finished up this week and mylin goes till middle

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of May and then we're done. And thank goodness because

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that was five days a week. So we'll finally get

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some downtime, which I need. I need time to breathe.

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But we'll get there. But uh, I'll go ahead and

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pray if you want this time, yeah ahead, last time.

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Dear Lord, thank you for everything you've given us. Thank

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you for every blessing you give us that we do

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not deserve. Just please continue to open those floodgates of

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those blessings and help us be a mouthpiece for you

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and everything that we do and everything that we say

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and all our actions. Please Lord, help that one person

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who needs to hear this message tonight hear it. Help

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us plant that one seed for you, and just help

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us continue on this mission for you, Lord, and continue

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to bless us in the way that you have and

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your name me pray. Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 2: Well today I'm pretty excited. It's been a long time coming.

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We had a little bit a hiccup in the past,

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but today we have a good friend of ours now

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we've gotten to meet multiple times in person, author speaker

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who we've gotten to see speak a couple times too.

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And actually the first time you really freaked me out

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a little bit. I'll be honest with you. You really

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freaked me out just a little bit. But author of

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you sent me for a loop. I was not ready

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for it. I'm just gonna be honest with you. I

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was not ready for it. But your author of books

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like Mormonism, The Matrix and me Confession of an Ex Mormon.

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I mean, there's things that and a lot of it

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has to do with your pathway out of Mormonism, but

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it's led you into some down some pretty amazing, amazing

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rabbit trails and a lot of biblical truth and got

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you to a point now where you're on the tournament trail.

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go to all the speaking engagements and things of that nature,

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so and people, if they haven't had a chance to

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meet you. You are one of the most genuine, honest,

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nice people in person. You are no different than you

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are where you're talking. You're just a phenomenal, genuine person

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and we appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much, and I'm excited to

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be here. I love talking anything God, anything, gospel, anything

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you know that will further people's knowledge and inspiration about Kingdom,

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about Kingdom living, Kingdom warfare. So thanks for having me

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Speaker 1: Guys, just to let you know, last time we met

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at the conference, Tracy come over to our table and

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donated some of her books and she has signed them

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and I want to show you guys.

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Speaker 1: We got the Warriors Walk, Keys to Victory and Spiritual

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these are autographed and we're going to be doing a

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prize giveaway for these guys. So when this episode releases,

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: So that's awesome. Well, we are excited that you're here

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for a few reasons, and like, like I said, you

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that that Mormonism background. But we were just talking a

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little bit beforehand about some of the things that the

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you know, the world's facing today and a big thing

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and what we ultimately talk about. Even you know, Ellen,

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great deception. You know, there's things when we talk about revelation,

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things that are coming where there is going to be

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a deception, and not just one. People are going to

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be deceived in so many ways. But the thing you

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said to me that everybody needs to hear right now

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is what don't be deceived?

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Speaker 3: Dep't be deceived?

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, exactly, So I guess let's kind of start there.

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actually we should have been recording because you said something

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so profound. I think you should kind of repeat that

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Speaker 3: Well as a new Christian, and I'm sure other people

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have had this thought come through their mind. We know

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that Jesus had to die for our sins. We understand

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that on an intellectual level, but we don't really understand

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why I mean, if God is God, he created the universe,

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he runs the show. There is none like him. There's

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no one in competition, I mean, not really with him.

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couldn't he just look the other way? Why couldn't he

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just pretend that Jesus had gone to the cross and

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this way, you know, he would have had to suffer.

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Jesus won't have had to suffer on our behalf. But

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then you realize if you look deeper, And that's the thing,

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because most of the time, the information stops right there.

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Jesus died for our sins. But what was going on.

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fruit in the garden. And yet that's what we hear

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of that the world is in shambles. But we can't

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just throw Adam and Eve under the bus without showing that, No,

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there was more going on. Satan had a key part,

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and it happened before the garden was even there, and

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he rebelled against God. He wanted to be like God.

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Speaker 2: To the margin.

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you read it in Isaiah thirteen or fourteen? Is it

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thirteen or fourteen? But in Isaiah and then again in

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Ezekiel twenty eight, we find out that he was the

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cherub that covered. And this is interesting too. I mean,

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I don't want to go down a rabbit TRAI well,

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yes I do. I love going down a rabbit.

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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 3: But he was the anointed cherub that covered. And this

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and write about in his book His job, part of

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his job. He had many many tasks in heaven is

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in his appointed position, but one of the tasks that

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he had was a covering over God's throne to maybe

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shield god glory. We know certainly that as human beings

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we can't even come into God's glory without being turned

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into chrispy critters. We need something to protect us from

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that glory, just from a scientific physical aspect, not because

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you're you know, I don't you near me, zapp' that's

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not it at all. So one of the things that

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we see now today talking about deception is because Satan's

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gifting was the covering over God's throne. Where what does

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he still do because God's gifts are irrevocable, so he

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still has that ability. He covers God's glory so that

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humankind can't see it. That's how we are deceived because

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he is still at it, covering or hiding the glory

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of God from human beings. So that that was a

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rabbit trail that I want to go down.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome though it shows that veil, that scene, it

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even I mean it talks about it throughout the Bible,

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talks about the veil that's over their eyes, talking mostly

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about the Jewish people, talking about the veil that covers

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their eyes. This is even when they read the writings

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of Moses that at this time there's still a veil

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over their eyes because they don't accept Jesus and tell Jesus,

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you don't have that insight, that understanding. So that veil

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is a pretty powerful thing, and Satan uses that in

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so many ways. Because you think about what we talk

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about Mormonism, think about the idea that that Joseph Smith,

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you know, all these truths. This is not much different

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than the things that happen with Mohammed when an angel

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comes to him and tells him these truths. Do I

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believe that somebody showed up and said something? I do?

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Do I believe that's who they said they were? No?

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I don't. But this is the deception that we're seeing

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on all different sides. So I think that's just a

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that's an excellent point. I think that you put a

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like a nice little pin in that just perfectly to

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line up how that plays out and the broad stroke term,

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and then you can look at how it comes at

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from every different angle and it hits us, and every

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one of us has been deceived at one point or

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another time in our life. Every one of us has,

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and then we realize later in retrospect, oh whoops. But

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Speaker 1: And it's a partial truth too.

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Speaker 1: That's like we were talking pre roll once you was mentioned.

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wink at the se end. Why did he have to

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come in and die? Because these deceptions, like I said,

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are partially true. They are, but they're they're twisted just

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a little bit. And that's why you have to study

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to show thyself approved. Because you know, the Gnostics. I

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just realized this just a couple months ago. But the Gnostics,

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the whole Gnostic view is wrapped up in that movie

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The Matrix. You remember, the Matrix were asleep and we're

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in a like a video game, a make believe world,

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and we are feeding the new World, and that there

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was a grand architect and overseer over the make believe Matrix.

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that Sophia is that the god energy, and we all

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have a piece of her. But she split and created

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earth and this place is not real. But when she

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split off, she made this thing called the demi Urge,

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and he was the one that built everything, and he

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wants to keep everybody enslaved and not make it back

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to Sophia. So I mean, with that whole Gnostic being,

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that's wrong. But in a sense, Jesus had to go

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into his creation to fix his creation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, when Satan was created, and of

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course he wasn't created to be evil. He was created

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with free choice, free will, the same as all the angels,

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the same as human beings, humanity. We were given free will,

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free choice. But Satan became full of pride, puffed up

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because of his position. And then there came a point

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where God was ready to bring a new type of being,

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human beings into his family. So the angels, the angelic

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host was God's first family, and now he's bringing little

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brother on board. So he creates this beautiful world and

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he says it was good. He placed Adam in the

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garden and said this is very good. And you know

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now saying he was the overseer, he was the you know,

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top dog, and so he had these big plans. I mean,

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he was saying, I'm on the top of the world

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looking down on creation. You know, the only explanation I

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can find is God created me with such bling that

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God himself has made me king and I'm sitting at

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the top of the world. I mean, that was his

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kind of attitude. That was a Carpenter song. By the way,

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but probably most of your listeners are too old. No,

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Karen Carpenter, the Carpenters. But anyway, but he just thought

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that he was this big important person. And God said, okay,

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I've created a little brother for you, and your job

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is to him. Because I am putting Adam over all

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creation on the earth. He is going to have dominion

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over the world. And that didn't sit right with saying

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it got his panties in a twist, you know. And

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so that's when he said, you know, I'm too good

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to be able to serve this puny man. He doesn't

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have the glory that I have, the beauty, the intelligence,

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the wisdom. So Satan went about slandering God because it

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talks about it in the scripture when and I've got

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some notes here, but he just he went around, and

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you know, he made that declaration, I will scale the heavens,

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I will raise my throne above God's. I will sit

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on the mountain of Assembly, and I will rise past

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the tops of the clouds, and I will make myself

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like God the most High, and so and the King

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Bible it talks about that because of his trafficking. Talks

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about Satan's trafficking, that he was able to bring down

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the nations. Well, it doesn't mean trafficking like we think

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of it. Like you know, he had some angel wings

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for sale and bling that he was selling on Etsy,

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and he did some you know, the trafficking of his merchandise. No,

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if you look at the Hebrew behind that phrase, it

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meant that he was going about slandering God. So we

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don't know exactly what he said to be able to

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draw away a third of the angelic host, but he

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certainly did an excellent job, excellent in the bad way

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of making Elohem look like the bad guy, you know,

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just accusing him probably of being selfish, of being you know,

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he wants to keep things from us, he wants to

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you know, he's just selfish and greedy and irrational. Whatever

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it was. And so God could have he had the ability,

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he had the power to just you know, flick them

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out of existence, to just go poof be gone, But

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that would be against his character and his nature. You know,

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what about all the other good angels and the other

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whatever other creatures that God has made with intelligence? What

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if all the good ones saw that example, Oh, Wow,

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anyone who disagrees with Yahweh is just going to be

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poofed out of existence, you know. So the Lord in

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order to protect not just protect his integrity, because God

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is integrity. You know, he doesn't just have integrity, he is.

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He doesn't just speak the truth. He is the truth.

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He doesn't just you know, claim to have glory. He

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is glory sonified. And so that's why he couldn't just

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you know, wink at sin. He had to go about

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through so called legal channels in order to defeat Satan.

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And he had to give free will to mankind to

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be able to choose as well as the angels who

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they were going to serve. Are they going to serve

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him or are they going to serve Satan? And so

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now we find ourselves in this big cosmic battle. Why

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did Jesus have to come? Because God himself had to

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take on human flesh, step down into humanity in a

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human body, and pay the price for sin because it

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had to be like kinds, you know, if you get

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into contracts and legal jargon and everything. It had to

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be a perfect man to pay the price for fallen

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man's sin. That's why Jesus had to come, God became

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flesh for our sake. I mean, that's just mind blowing

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to me. I think that is just the most stunning,

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amazing news that just brings it all into perspective. And

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you don't typically hear this kind of thing in Sunday school.

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So to me, it just gave a deeper a deeper

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sense of who God is and what he did for

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us and the promises that await us who put our

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trust in him.

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Speaker 1: I think a little bit sets our religion apart from

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every other religion in the world. It means to even

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being's talked about this before, but it's every religion in

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the world demands blood sacrifice. We are the only one

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that our God bled for us. And it's just a

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beautiful thought. And it's about family. It's about coming back

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into the family of God. I mean, it is literally

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the parable of the prodigal son. You got you know,

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microcosms and macrocosms to all those parables. But it's like,

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you know, all the other religions, you have paradise, you

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have promise of virgins, promise of knowledge and enlightenment and

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a better house when you reincarnate. You know, our religion

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is about coming into the family and unity of God,

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and he bleeds for you, he doesn't ask you to

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bleed for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you bring up like the prodigal, I

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just love that parable because it and like you said,

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there's so many layers to it, of course, but the

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father is a is a picture of God, the father.

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it would have been shameful for a man to a father,

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the head of the household, to pull up his robe

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in order to run. It just would have been a

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shameful thing. Would have been shameful for a father to

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go running after their son like that. And what a

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picture it is that you know, this father in the parable,

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he was looking for the son to return. The son

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was probably gone for years, But what did the father

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do every day he was out there, probably walking up

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to the you know, the crest of the hill and

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looking and is today the day that he's going to

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come home? And then finally when the son did, he

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just saw him come over the horizon. And so what

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did the father do. He pulled up his girded up

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his loins so this feet and he ran to meet

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his son. And it says that he threw himself on

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his son's neck and just brought him in, brought him

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back to the home and restored him to you know,

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to to the family. What a picture that is of

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God the father. He's not just up there some you know, distant,

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uninvolved being. Yeah, he he is a father who has

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a tender heart for his children. So what a picture.

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I just love that.

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Speaker 2: I think you brought up a really good point. And

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I think when you go back to that, you talk

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about why can't he just you know, flick them out

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of existence, you know, get rid of that, because then

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at that point, yeah, exactly at that point, are we

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you know, are we giving God the praise and the

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glory for the reason that he deserves. Are we doing

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it out of not the fear like oh, you know

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you fear the Lord, but out of straight terror? Because

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that's not what our God is. Our God is a

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god of love. So if you if you make it,

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if God just starts saying Nope, done with you, Nope,

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done with you, Nope, done with you, and doesn't give

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us that free will, then no longer is it about love.

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No longer is it about our choice to follow him?

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And we take that away and it's just you see

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how great God is in the fact that he gives

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us that free will. It's such a different, such a

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different way of looking at things, and it shows you

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that you can't God. And like you said, it's out

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of his character. He's not just gonna take those things away,

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those struggles that are there. He's going to help you

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through struggles. He's going to help you through you know,

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spiritual attacks, He's going to help you through all these

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different things. But he's not just gonna nope, we're done.

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This is it. You're good. You know, that's just not

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how it works. And Scripture tells us that over and

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over again. You know, it says, you know that praise

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God for your sufferings because your sufferings produce character, and

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your character produces endurance, and it goes right through this.

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It's so important that we that we go through these

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tough things, and tough things are around us. It's just

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part of who God is to help build us up

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and bring him closer to him, bring us closer to him,

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because if we don't have that have that that foundation,

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have that desire to be close to him, and we're

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only going to him because we're scared of the opposite,

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which I'm not saying some Christians aren't. Just like, I

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don't want to go to Hell, so I'm gonna believe

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in God like that. You know, some people may come

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to the church that way, but when when you leave,

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that shouldn't be you know, the hell fire and brimstone

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thing shouldn't be why you stay in church, right, which

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you should understand. God is a god of love. Yeah,

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it may get you there and that's okay, but after

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that you have to understand it's a relationship with God.

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God wants to commune with you. He wants to have

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a relationship with you, and I think that's really important.

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But that free will such a big part of that,

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and I think that's awesome. I just think that was

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a really good point. I'm sorry I had to back

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that up there a little bit just to get to

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that point, but I think that was an awesome point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's so many people, sadly, I'm believers, who

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are just worried that they've committed the unpardonable sin. Or

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first of all, if they're worried about it, then chances

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are they have not. So you know, there is nothing

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that you can do that would keep God from wanting

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to save you, you know. I mean, we think of these

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and that's where we as Christians need to get our

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minds right, because it's so easy to judge people. It's

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so easy to say, well, you know, so easy to

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look at some of our politicians, you know, and and

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you know, when you when you just think about the witchcraft,

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the human trafficking, the adrenochrome, the you know, child sacrifice,

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and you know, it's easy for us to say, well,

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you know, I hope that they end up in hell,

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you know, and that's not God's heart. You know. God

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is a just god and he will bring justice, but

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he's also a God of mercy. And if these people

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repent and turn to him, there they're new creations, their

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new creature creatures in Christ. And we need to accept that.

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We need to accept these repentant sinners into the into

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the family with open arms. I mean, look at Paul.

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He went around killing believers, followers of Christ, or at least,

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you know, assenting to their death, so you know, and

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the community, the believing community was scared to death of him.

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Speaker 1: There was only the failed from his eyes. That was

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that veilure talking about earlier.

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Speaker 3: And it took years for some segments of that community

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to trust him.

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Speaker 2: Sure well, and was terrified to terrified to go to

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him when he came to town. He's like, I know

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who that is? Well, you don't you don't want me

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to go there? I know who that is?

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Speaker 1: Right, So he finally probably accepted it. He's like, Okay,

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I'm the next martyr. I gotta go die for y'ah away.

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I love you kids.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to encourage people that you know

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what you maybe you do? We we sin? The point

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is do we have a heart towards sin? Do we

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live a lifestyle of sin? So that's something to really

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be concerned about. That's the time that you need to

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examine yourself and see if you're still in the faith.

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But do we stumble and fall? Yeah? Do we sometimes

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lose our temper? Yeah, But that doesn't mean that we

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lose our salvation. We just ask for forgiveness and then

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we try to change. You know, we don't just continue

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in that. But it's going to be a process until

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we are resurrected. It is going to be a process

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of two steps forward, one step back. That's just the

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nature of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Am and and while we're on the subject, you know,

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for those that hadn't call our talk, give us your

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background and your testimony, because that's that's an amazing story.

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You've got a lot of amazing stories. You've lived a

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very interesting life.

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Speaker 3: Tracy. Okay, well, yeah, talking about deception. So I just

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knew from well not this wasn't being deceived knowing that

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there was a god, but I just knew intrinsically, even

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as a little child, that there was a God. And

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I don't know how because I didn't come from a

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religious family, but I just knew it. And like if

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I had a little pet that would die or something,

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I would just run to my room and fall on

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my knees and dear God, please take tweety up to

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Heaven or you know, Fido or whatever and resurrect it.

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Probably no, I didn't, but oh yeah, okay, well I'll

476
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:43,839
get to that. That's an amazing story in itself. But

477
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,279
I just always was drawn to the supernatural. And as

478
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,559
an eight year old, I remember I had a favorite

479
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:56,920
stuffed animal and I believed that magic could make it

480
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,119
come to life, and so I set a goal. I

481
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,880
was saying out loud. Its name was Herbie. I was like, Herbie,

482
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:09,400
on this Saturday, you're going to come to life. And

483
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,920
I don't know if I said abracadabra over it or

484
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,359
whatever I did, but that Saturday morning, I'm watching Saturday

485
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,799
Morning cartoons, Spider Man and Scooby Doo and all those greats,

486
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:24,799
and my stuffed animal was sitting several feet away on

487
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:31,359
like a footstool, and all of a sudden it levitated.

488
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,880
It jumped from the footstool onto my lap. And that

489
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:39,240
was the only time I'd ever done that. But I

490
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,440
was like, wow, See, I knew you could come alive.

491
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,359
Magic is real. So I was always kind of drawn

492
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,920
to that. And my aunt she had bought a Ouiji

493
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:54,440
board and just thought it would be a great parlor game,

494
00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:02,039
which it isn't. Yeah, that thing really works. I don't

495
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:05,680
know if you've ever done that before you were believers.

496
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:09,720
But there's this plantchet it's called some kind of a

497
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:13,960
device in there, and each person puts their fingers on it,

498
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,000
and that thing moved of its own accord. So I

499
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:23,960
just I knew that there was another dimensionality. I didn't

500
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,640
have the words to put into it, but I knew

501
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,799
that there was more to our existence that meets the eyes.

502
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,680
And when my best friend, when I was thirteen, she

503
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,599
invited me to the Mormon Church. So I was already

504
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,960
primed for the supernatural when she invited me to go

505
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
to church with her, and I did, and I was

506
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,400
just smitten by the Mormons. They were amazing people, and

507
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,400
I felt like I was I had come home. I

508
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,720
felt like I fit in. So I wanted to be

509
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,240
baptized right away, and within a few months my parents

510
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,720
allowed me to be baptized. They didn't know anything about Mormonism,

511
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,720
they weren't religious, we didn't know anything really about the Bible.

512
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,240
So I just thought right from the first, this is

513
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,319
the true Church, because that's what they put into your

514
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,160
mind through.

515
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: Through.

516
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,279
Speaker 3: I guess I almost hate to use the word in

517
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:29,160
doctrination because it's not an intentional we're going to take

518
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,759
control of people's minds, but it's just the way that

519
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:38,720
the church is set up to always be reinforcing the

520
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:43,000
idea that the Church is true, that Joseph Smith was

521
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,279
a true prophet, that he spoke for God, that God

522
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,480
came down to him and said that all the Christian

523
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:53,559
churches had been corrupted, and Joseph was supposed to restore

524
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,720
the true Gospel to the earth. So that's what we're told,

525
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:03,559
like after week after week. And it's interesting that I

526
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:09,960
had my first demonic experience as a young LDS Latter

527
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:14,279
Day Saint person. So I was about fifteen years old,

528
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,680
and I had invited the man who would later become

529
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,680
my husband, but at the time, you know, we were dating,

530
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,200
and I invited him to junior prom, which is a

531
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,000
big thing, especially you know, for a teenage girl junior prom.

532
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,440
And this was in Utah Provo High School. And on

533
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,599
the day of the prom, he canceled the date because

534
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:43,640
he said it was too serious, and I, yeah, it's

535
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,720
just a weird mindset. If I take her to prom,

536
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,480
then she's going to expect me to ask her to

537
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:58,039
marry her or marry you know, and so yeah, yeah,

538
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,920
he was just didn't want to make the wrong choice,

539
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,039
and so anyway, but I was super upset, of course,

540
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,840
and that night I was just in tears. So about

541
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,559
you know, seven eight o'clock in the evening, I laid

542
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,360
down on my bed just sobbing, and all of a

543
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,320
sudden that my bedroom, there were no windows open or anything,

544
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,480
but the bedroom got icy cold and I was held

545
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:34,960
down on the bed by some unseen power. I couldn't move.

546
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,360
I was like pinned to the bed. I was on

547
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,480
my side and I couldn't move, I couldn't talk, and

548
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:46,679
it was the scariest thing that I had ever experienced,

549
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,280
and I was trying to cry out, and finally, just

550
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,159
through sheer strength or something, I was able to make

551
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,440
this gasp and my aunt, who was in the next room,

552
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,599
she came running into the room. She opened up my

553
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:07,519
bedroom door and right away she was like, oh, it's

554
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,599
so cold in here, and all the cold just disappeared

555
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,360
in a flash. I mean not in a moment, in

556
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,679
an instant, not a real flash. And she said, are

557
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,840
you okay? And I jumped up out of bed and

558
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,559
just threw my arms around her and said, I don't know,

559
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,519
I don't know what happened. Something was in here, something scary.

560
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,719
So that was the first time that I'd ever experienced

561
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,800
something from the other side. But one thing, one thing

562
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,159
that it did is confirmed to me me. You know,

563
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,920
the devil meant it to scare me, to paralyze me

564
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,840
in fear, But what it did was cement my belief

565
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,559
that God was real, because if there was something like

566
00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:00,440
evil spirits, if there was such a thing, and I

567
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,800
knew that there was such a thing as God, so

568
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,320
it only served to strengthen my belief in the Lord.

569
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,840
So that was the first time. And then after I,

570
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,400
after I grew up, got married to the guy who

571
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:18,159
you know, broke the junior prom date, and so we

572
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,440
got married and we went to the temple to be sealed.

573
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,840
And that's what faithful Mormons do, And what it means

574
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,840
being sealed is that you go into the temple over

575
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,239
and altar, you make certain covenants, and they they seal

576
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,159
you together like you are now husband and wife throughout

577
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,840
all eternity. Its marriage is not just for this life only,

578
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,960
it's forever and ever and ever. So that's what it means.

579
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,280
If if you hear a Mormon say that they were

580
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,119
sealed in the temple, they now have become an eternal family.

581
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:59,960
And the temple ceremony is based on freemasonry. Joseph Smith

582
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,480
was either a thirty two or thirty three degree Mason,

583
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:08,599
and he took the things that he learned from freemasonry

584
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:16,920
and inculcated them into the Mormon temple ceremony. So we

585
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:25,559
were actually doing these uh, oh, these rituals free rides. Yeah,

586
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,360
like we had to take oaths at the time. Now

587
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,199
that I do need to say that the church has

588
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,760
changed modify the temple ceremony. They don't do this anymore.

589
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,400
But back in the nineteen eighties when I was going

590
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:38,960
through the temple.

591
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: People are lot more informed now about the masonry and stuff.

592
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, and they would have to I'd have to

593
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,199
take like pretend to slip my own throat throat. The

594
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,559
patrons had to, you know, draw their thumb across their chest,

595
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,039
like to have their heart ripped out. We had to

596
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:03,599
make a move across our lower abdomen signal making a

597
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,119
like a signal or a show that if we divulged

598
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,480
what went on in the temple, then you know, we

599
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,199
were saying that we commit to have our bowels gushed

600
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,119
out and you know, sliced open. And we didn't say

601
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:25,679
the words. We just mimicked or pantomimed those gruesome ways

602
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,039
to die, which should have been a clue. I mean.

603
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,719
But see, if you've already been brainwashed in a sense

604
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,400
or programmed to believe that, well, this is the one

605
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,639
and only true Church on the face of the earth,

606
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,320
and this is the only way that we can get

607
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,079
to the top degree of heaven, which in Mormonism is

608
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,719
called the Celestial Kingdom. Then you don't really question. You

609
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,280
just say, well, if God is God, if heavenly Father,

610
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,159
you know, he's He's in charge, and if he says

611
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:01,360
that this is what we need to do, then this

612
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,599
is what we need to do. Who am I to

613
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,280
argue with God? You know, you kind of take on

614
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,840
that mentality.

615
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: And it's hard for people to see that because they're

616
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,119
coming from the outside. You know, how you were raised,

617
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,960
what you were around, that is your normal.

618
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: You know.

619
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: You see people that grow up and be alcoholics and

620
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,360
beat their wives and everything else. To normal people were like,

621
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,559
what is wrong with you? But to him, he's seeing

622
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,480
his father come home from work every night and drink

623
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,840
a case of beer and slap his mom around. That's

624
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,679
his normal.

625
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: You know.

626
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: So if you grow up in the Mormon Church, you're

627
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,320
seeing people do these ceremonies and make these gestures and

628
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,480
things from the time you're four or five years old

629
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:51,760
up to adulthood. You don't never think twice about it.

630
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. It's normal for people who

631
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,039
are experiencing it all the time. You know, and and

632
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,519
that's what it was like. But the interesting thing to

633
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,599
me looking back is that the more frequently I would

634
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:14,599
attend the temple, the more frequent these demonic attacks would be.

635
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,039
And it would just happen, either as I was just

636
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,519
falling asleep at night or just waking up in the morning.

637
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,840
It could even be if I laid down for a nap.

638
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,599
Because I had I had ten children, and so you know,

639
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:35,480
you get tired. I was pregnant. I think, I let's

640
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,199
see nine months times you know, nine children, eighty one

641
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,119
months because our tenth child is adopted. But yeah, for

642
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,880
eighty one months of my life I was pregnant, and

643
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:50,679
probably for three times that amount. So whatever eighty one

644
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,239
times three is is how long that I was breastfeiting

645
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,239
my children. So so you know, once in a while,

646
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,920
you take a nap, you get tired, and it would

647
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,639
even happen then these demonic attacks where the room would

648
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:11,079
take on a chill and I would be frozen to

649
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,159
the you know, paralyzed, not able to move. But by

650
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,880
this time I at least knew to try to call

651
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,960
out to Jesus, and I'd be thinking in my mind,

652
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,800
Jesus helped me and I would try to say the

653
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,840
name of Jesus and then as soon as the words

654
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:33,880
escaped my mouth, then this power would just lift right

655
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,039
off of me. But it was scary. It would be

656
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:42,480
scary for anybody, and I just couldn't understand. Now looking back,

657
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:44,760
I see, well it was because I was, you know,

658
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,880
as a child involved in the occult and then you know,

659
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:55,760
participating in freemasonry. I had opened a door or a

660
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:02,199
portal to the dark side. And justin I think you

661
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:08,519
you've probably shared your story that you experienced with with

662
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:12,280
the powers of darkness. I mean, so you're kind of

663
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,559
familiar with with that. I don't know about you, Steve,

664
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:16,440
if you've ever.

665
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:23,199
Speaker 2: Had more than a couple things. But I've been grabbed

666
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,559
before and helse saw a hand on my arm like that.

667
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,559
You didn't see the hand, but you saw that it

668
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,239
was squeezing. You saw where the fingers were, the indentse

669
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,159
on your arm, and there was no one there. It

670
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,599
was very heavy, very very uh. It straightens you out

671
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,960
if like you said, For me, it actually made my relationship.

672
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,480
I think it helped me along my relationship with God

673
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,360
a little bit more than it would to do anything else.

674
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,079
I don't know how else to put that. You said

675
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,400
that kind of that way, but for me, it yeah,

676
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,760
it's scary. But all that does is say, Okay, yeah,

677
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,280
I just know I need God closer to me. I'm

678
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,440
not walking as close as I need to be. And

679
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,800
you know, none of us are perfect, but back then

680
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,599
I was by far not perfect, and I'm hoping I'm

681
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,920
a little bit better now. I haven't had anything like

682
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,800
that happened recently.

683
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: So, yeah, everybody experience till you get one.

684
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you don't want those experiences now. And was

685
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,239
it that you bring this up? We talked about We

686
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,719
talked to Vicky Joy here and there once in a while,

687
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,800
and you know Vicky Joy Anderson, and you know her

688
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:37,519
work on sleep paralysis and things like what you're talking

689
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,679
very demonic experiences where you know, people are held down

690
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,719
and and or things happen. You have these these experiences

691
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,079
like this. But what she says is sometimes, and this

692
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,320
is one of the very powerful thing that I don't

693
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,559
think people realize always, is that you know, we are

694
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,360
what we take in, right, we all things in. And

695
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,840
her best way that she said it is you don't

696
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,559
always have to open a door. Sometimes you leave the

697
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:08,679
window open, just a crack and that's all it needs.

698
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,800
And what we consume through TV, through our entertainment, through

699
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,599
our music, through these things, that opens a door. I

700
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:19,519
don't care what anybody. That doesn't affect me, it affects you.

701
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,960
Those things become part of you. The things that you

702
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,840
indulge in are part of who you are. It's part

703
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,400
of what your your your overall being. You know, if

704
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,639
Jesus would have said, I don't think Jesus would have

705
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:38,519
sat around and you know, watched a porn. You know,

706
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,760
it just wasn't going to happen, you see what I'm saying,

707
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,559
because he's not going to let that be part of

708
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,960
his life. So when you see people allowing certain things

709
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,920
into their life, that becomes part of you, and that

710
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,599
allows other things in that opens that, like you said,

711
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,480
either that door or that portal, and allows things into

712
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:58,880
our life that are evil. So I think that's just

713
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,159
an important way of looking at at it.

714
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,519
Speaker 3: I agree. And people on the outside, you know, they

715
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,159
hear about people like us who share these experiences and

716
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,000
they just think because they've never seen a demon, they've

717
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:17,639
never felt the dark presence, they've never had any type

718
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,719
of supernatural experience, and they're like, these people are crazy.

719
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,599
You know, they must be suffering from some mental illness.

720
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:28,360
But when the manifestation can actually it's not just subjective,

721
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,840
but when it can be seen by other people, you know,

722
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,119
like with my aunt coming into the room, I mean

723
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,280
I may have looked back on what happened to me.

724
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,079
If she hadn't have come into the room, I may

725
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,280
have looked back and said, was I imagining it all?

726
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,679
What was wrong with me? Maybe I'm going crazy? But

727
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,880
because she was able to open that door and have

728
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:56,119
that cold wind out of nowhere rush out of the room,

729
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,920
she was a witness to that. And when you were

730
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:05,480
talking about Steve that you could see the fingerprints, maybe

731
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,639
not the fingers, but the pressure on your arm of

732
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:15,039
this unseen being. You know, it's not craziness. There's an

733
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,320
outside dimension and people need to be aware of it

734
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,079
and realize, hey, we need to walk circumspectly. We need

735
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,760
to make sure that we're not leaving that window open

736
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:30,840
or that door.

737
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: So I talked to Justin about this a lot recently,

738
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:38,440
and we've said that about our show.

739
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: Right.

740
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,039
Speaker 2: We got into this because of Michael Heiser and because

741
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,760
a lot of his work as Justin said, the Gateway drug, right,

742
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,280
you get into that and all of a sudden you're like, whoa,

743
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,840
and you know your whole paradigm's blown. And you read

744
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,800
the Bible and it's like, all of a sudden it

745
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,679
makes sense, like all the passages you just skipped over before,

746
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,400
all of a sudden you start getting it. But I

747
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,360
think what we're trying to do and the way that

748
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,719
we see this is there are so many people that will,

749
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,280
you know, call themselves Christians, and maybe they are. Maybe

750
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,079
they got a great walk with God and they haven't

751
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,599
had they don't understand the supernatural, or maybe they're just

752
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,360
you know, your CEO is your Christmas Easter onlies, you

753
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,000
know what I mean. They come to church because it's

754
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,719
just what they do, but they've never had these experiences.

755
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,000
You never understand this stuff. They've heard of God, they've

756
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,239
heard of Jesus. They you know, they get that part

757
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,440
of it. Then on the other side, going through the motions.

758
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,079
On the other side, though, you have people who have

759
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,320
been druid or wickan. You have people that have been

760
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,039
in so many different types of lifestyles that all of

761
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:44,000
a sudden realize, Okay, this this is a dark force,

762
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,920
and they know that. You know, there's obviously the yin

763
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,679
and the yin and the yang, right, so we're gonna go,

764
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,239
we're gonna search the good side out. But if you

765
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,079
come to church, and you come to a church, it's like,

766
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:56,159
oh no, that stuff doesn't happen, that's not real. They're like, no,

767
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,079
I saw it, it was there, Like I've seen these

768
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,840
I've conjured these things. And if we don't understand that

769
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,440
there's a supernatural war, a battle going around us, that

770
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,280
there is, I mean, a whole nother like you said,

771
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,039
realm all around us all the time. We can't see

772
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,800
it always once in a while we see things that

773
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,320
you know, are terrifying, and there are some people that

774
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,000
actually I think are a little more sensitive to that

775
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,280
than others. But there are things that are around us

776
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,559
all the time. And if you don't know that, if

777
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:31,000
you don't understand that, you're already losing the battle because

778
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,119
it is all around us, and it's coming for us

779
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,039
and all our souls.

780
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,199
Speaker 1: You know, That's what gets me is because these people

781
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,079
have seen it, they've experienced it, so therefore they're either

782
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:48,840
seeking asylum or answers from this other realm and if

783
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,760
they show up to church and oh, no, that stuff

784
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,159
ain't real. Oh there's no demons, there's no no, no,

785
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,199
there's no no, that's real.

786
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: No, that's real.

787
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: When it's right there in our Bible, it's either weird

788
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,800
or awkward for them and they don't want to talk

789
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,000
about it, or they don't have the eyes to see

790
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,599
what's in their own book. But what happens is is

791
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,239
they're seeking asylum or answers.

792
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Where do you think they're going to do.

793
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: They're going to go trying to find somebody else, and

794
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,280
they're going to be deceived again.

795
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,119
Speaker 2: M point sorry.

796
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,159
Speaker 3: And the Christians, like in the churches, the ones who say,

797
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,159
well this isn't for today, they're being deceived again. Satan

798
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,880
is being very effective with covering or putting the veil

799
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,840
between their eyes. I used to I used to think,

800
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,920
how come we don't seem to see frequently here in

801
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,679
the in the United States or in the West, I

802
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,800
should say, we don't see the healings, the miracles, the whatever.

803
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,599
And you always hear about these stories about people on

804
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,199
the other side of the world, and it's like, Okay, hey,

805
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:05,360
well yes, my brother's cousins, sons, friends, dog, went over

806
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,079
there and saw, you know, I mean, it's always several

807
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:11,320
generations away, and you want to believe, but you're not

808
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,480
quite sure. And a couple of my sons, my strong

809
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,719
Christian sons, have gone to serve and do missionary work

810
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,559
in parts of Africa. It was Uganda, Kenya, I don't

811
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:32,039
remember where else in Africa, and then the Philippines. And

812
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,400
one of my sons was there in the Philippines for

813
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:41,320
at least six seven months on a service mission, and

814
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,760
they were seeing these things. So now all of a sudden,

815
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,480
it wasn't five generations away. It was my own son

816
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,599
telling me that right under his hands, as he would

817
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,400
lay his hands on people, he would see them get healed.

818
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,239
I mean, not just a subjective well my stomach, and

819
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,159
now it doesn't. I mean, I'm talking about people with

820
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,679
crippled limbs having their limbs straightened out, seeing someone with

821
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,039
a short leg, one shorter leg shorter than the other

822
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:16,360
and having it grow out before my son's very eyes.

823
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,039
You know, people coming for healing and being healed, and

824
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:24,960
a lot of them were being who were being healed

825
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,239
were unbelievers. But what a testimony, because in these other countries,

826
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:35,599
the supernatural is happening. They see the voodoo, the witchcraft,

827
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,280
the witch doctors, and they see the curses that are

828
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:45,880
bringing about, you know, strange powers, miracles, false miracles, and

829
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,639
they see that, and then you know, a Christian comes

830
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:54,760
along and just says, you know, believe in Jesus and

831
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,400
you're in the club and nothing happens. Well, how does

832
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,679
that motivate them to want to know more? But when

833
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,280
they actually are healed, they see that the real God,

834
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,320
the God of Heaven, is more powerful than the false

835
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,280
God that they've been worshiping, and they come to a

836
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,639
saving a saving faith. So God is not against miracles.

837
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,440
He's not up there saying, you know, I want you

838
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:26,480
guys to have more faith. So I just want you

839
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,119
to believe in me. And that's going to be a

840
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,920
test of your faith is to believe in Me without

841
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:36,159
seeing any miracles at all. He wants to be a

842
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,800
God that works in people's lives. He wants to heal people.

843
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,199
He wants to do these amazing things. But it's we're

844
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,559
the ones who are closing off our eyes and our

845
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:48,280
minds and our ears. You know, I don't want to

846
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,360
hear it. I don't want to hear it.

847
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: You know, and the materialism of the wayst is getting

848
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,280
in the way of seeing miraculous things.

849
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: What is the greatest, one of the greatest quotes that

850
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:06,639
Hollywood ever produced, was the greatest trick the devil ever

851
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,280
polled was making the world think he didn't exist. So

852
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,880
as soon as you take that supernatural, allow it further.

853
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: You know, they said, the greatest trick the daily ever

854
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,360
polled was tricking the whole world into believing that he

855
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:18,719
was God and be worshiped.

856
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, indirectly, I think that's what's happening in this country,

857
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:26,199
some people directly, some people maybe not so directly, but

858
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,000
it's it's happening. But if you take that supernatural out,

859
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,679
if you take that away, then you're not just taking

860
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,679
it away from the dark side, the evil side, you're

861
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,159
taking it away from God too. And and like you

862
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:42,119
said that that veil grows thicker, those scales on the

863
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,639
eyes grow thicker. And as a whole, our country and that,

864
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,440
like you said, that materialistic culture that we have and

865
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:55,119
and the the living the here and living the now,

866
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,079
and you know, whatever feels good and everything that we're

867
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,719
going through right now, that where are we's gotten to it?

868
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,519
How far away. We've put that supernatural in the background.

869
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,519
And not just in the secular public. I'm talking about

870
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,639
in the church, the church as a whole in this country.

871
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:13,199
When I say the church, I'm talking about the body

872
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,480
of Christ, the people that the congregations of the church

873
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,360
have let this go. We have gotten so you know

874
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:27,599
Joel Olstein prosperity gospel, that we have left the supernatural

875
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:31,920
in the dust. And and it's it's it's not okay.

876
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,840
We're in a very scary place in this country. This

877
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,039
is the we're at the beginning of the fall. I mean,

878
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:39,280
that's really what's happening.

879
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 3: Well, we've we're bewitched by technology, plain and simple. You know,

880
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,239
who needs God when you can push a button and

881
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:55,280
have all this stuff for the virtual reality or whatever.

882
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,480
We're like the Church of Leyahjesea. I'm not is talking

883
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:04,559
about professing Christians. I mean the world, or at least

884
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,800
the West, the Western world, is like the Church of

885
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Lea Deicia in that you know, we're we've got everything,

886
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,440
we don't need anything. We're prosperous. We can we can

887
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:18,320
go out of work and make our own money. We

888
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,840
can invest in crypto and get all this wealth we

889
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,519
can do this, that and the other. Don't we don't

890
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,559
need God. They don't even maybe not even think in

891
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:32,199
that terms. They just they have been bewitched. That's all.

892
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,519
That's the only way that I can express it. And

893
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:39,239
even in Revelation, in the Book of Revelation where it

894
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:46,559
talks about the farm pharma pharma kia, people are bewitched

895
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:51,000
by the pharmachia because oh, I feel sad, I want

896
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,599
to I'm not talking Please, don't get me wrong. Don't

897
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,440
hear what I'm not saying. There are people who generally

898
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,119
who genuinely have depression, so I'm not talking about that,

899
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,320
but just the mindset of the culture that says, if

900
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,760
I get a little sad, I can take a happy pill.

901
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,559
If I feel a little worried about something, I can

902
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:16,400
take something for anxiety. If I can't sleep, you know,

903
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,360
I can take this, that or the other. And some

904
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:25,239
of these pharmaceuticals actually alter the chemistry in our brains,

905
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:30,239
and that can you know, I don't know much about

906
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,880
the paneal gland, but I know that somehow the paneal

907
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,320
gland in our brain is connected to being able to

908
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:45,119
perceive other dimensions. And maybe it's that gland that helps

909
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,760
us to be able to hear from God. He speaks

910
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:57,000
to us. It's just maybe our receivers are clogged, you know,

911
00:56:57,199 --> 00:57:01,239
clogged with all this interference from from the outside.

912
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:07,159
Speaker 2: So our body that the pineal gland produces a DMT,

913
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,719
which you've heard people use this as a psychedelic. That

914
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:17,920
people will actually smoke DMT and it will for ten

915
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,280
to twelve minutes you have kind of a euphoric and

916
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,280
this is really scary. We talked a little bit about

917
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,800
this before, but it's really scary. They'll have like a

918
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,920
ten to twelve minute experience, you know, where they go

919
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,760
to another realm, basically a different place where they see

920
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,280
different things, they meet different entities. There was a study

921
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,079
done and I believe it was in England where they

922
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,480
made it so they could put it through an IV

923
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,679
and they did it and they would put people under

924
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:46,960
for an hour at a time. And now there's actually

925
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,719
places that do this recreationally. You can pay to be

926
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,559
under almost as long as you'd like to be so,

927
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,760
but they would do this for an hour at a time.

928
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:00,239
The DMT, so our body naturally produces it at a

929
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,679
certain level. But when we're what we're doing we're mass

930
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,920
we're putting a mass amount of this into our into

931
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,960
their bodies right to get to this euphoric drug like state.

932
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,719
So they're doing this for an hour at a time.

933
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,840
And as they do this, they come out and they

934
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,360
ask these people these questions, you know, what did you see?

935
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:21,159
What was the landscape, what was the you know? And

936
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:24,000
they go through and this crazy thing is people who

937
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:27,199
don't know each other, who've never talked before, come back

938
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:32,480
describing the same entities with the same names, the same landmarks,

939
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,760
the same place as they're seeing, to the point now

940
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,119
where when they send them in and this is and

941
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:41,519
I say, now as far as the last uh part

942
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:43,920
of this, I watched a presentation from the people who

943
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:49,679
are the researcher's doing this, and they were mapping the area.

944
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,360
They were saying, Okay, you went right this time, now

945
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,039
go left, and we're gonna we're gonna actually like cartography

946
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:05,079
style map the region this is and so people this

947
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,320
and you look at Colorado and I was actually legalizing

948
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,440
a lot of psychedelics. You know, they've taken that that

949
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:13,800
you know, originally it was just marijuana. Then they've gotten

950
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,280
to that point now where it's psychedelics are legal. I mean,

951
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,880
it's always just going to be the next thing, the

952
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,719
next thing, the next thing. But this is a this

953
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,960
is a big problem because people see things. They get

954
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,880
to a point where this is a very it's a

955
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,199
very supernatural thing. And when you can sit there and

956
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,400
say that me and Justin did the same thing. And

957
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,920
guess what we talked to the floating Headfred. I really

958
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,800
don't know, but we we met the same floating Headfred,

959
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:41,360
and he told us the same thing. We're like, dude,

960
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:42,679
floating head Fred's real.

961
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,599
Speaker 1: Well, materialism is going to come back and buy us

962
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:47,920
in the butt with that, because if we can't see it,

963
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,679
feel it, tastes it, touch it, it's not real. It's

964
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:53,119
not worth our time, you know. Tracy said, we're the

965
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:56,400
generation of instant graphication, one push of a button. So

966
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,199
why would you go to church and try to live

967
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:03,280
a perfect life and go to church on Sunday and

968
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,960
sing the heymns and pray and study and read your

969
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:10,039
Bible to try to have a relationship and experience God.

970
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:12,199
We're not going to just go two blocks down the

971
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,280
road and get a shot from a doctor and see

972
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,159
God instantly.

973
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the other thing think about this. Ayahuasca is

974
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:23,559
another one that you've heard people. You know, we'll smoke

975
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:27,840
ayahuasca to have these spirit trips or spirit journeys. Ayahuasca

976
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,519
is a couple of different plants that have to be

977
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,159
put together a certain way, and I think they have

978
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,800
to be a certain temperature when they're mixed together, otherwise

979
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,800
it doesn't have that effect. So what's the chances that

980
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,280
just somebody in the wood took this plant and this plant,

981
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,559
put it together, heated it up to the right temperature,

982
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,800
and then smoked it. Or does it make more sense

983
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,800
that I don't know? Maybe chest True the book his true. Yeah,

984
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:54,639
you familiar with the cutting of roots. Somebody gave him

985
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:59,159
this knowledge. So this stuff is really scary because we're

986
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:02,000
delving into thispiritual realm. And and God often says, you know,

987
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:05,480
don't when you look through Leviticus and Deuteronomy, he talks about,

988
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,480
you know, you should not talk to necromancers, you know,

989
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,519
the ones who speak to the dead. You know, things

990
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,119
of these nature. You're not supposed to go into these planes,

991
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:18,239
into these realms. It's not for you to do. Now,

992
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,480
if God comes, if if an angel comes, God comes, whatever,

993
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,159
and he gives you a vision, that's one thing. And

994
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:27,800
I'll tell you this, I've had three in my life

995
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,079
that I can tell you were spiritual visions, and one

996
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:35,119
hundred percent, there is no doubt in my mind they

997
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:41,480
were spiritual visions. Two were extremely extremely negative, terrifyingly negative,

998
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,039
and one was extremely positive. But they were very spiritual,

999
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,480
very spiritual. So I know that those things can come

1000
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:54,719
from either side. But you have to understand that it's

1001
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,800
a when we go searching for these things and we're

1002
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,800
going out of our way into that pharmacy, as you said,

1003
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,039
into these other things, it's a very dangerous slippery slope,

1004
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:06,119
and we're seeing a lot of people fall into it now.

1005
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,800
And going back to what you said way back in

1006
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,760
the beginning, deception, deceptions everywhere. If it, you know, we're

1007
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,440
seeing it in our churches, we're seeing it in the

1008
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,920
way that our government's run. We're seeing it in the

1009
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,719
your Pharmacheeah, like you said, we're seeing it in so

1010
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,159
many different ways. So if if Satan sets up this,

1011
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:31,480
you know, he comes at you with this and you're like, no,

1012
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:33,679
I'm too smart for that. You turn this way, there's

1013
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:36,360
another one right in front of you. You're like no turn,

1014
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,599
there's another one right in front of you. It's never

1015
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,320
gonna stop. That's why you always have to pray for

1016
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,800
that discernment. You always have to have God there with you.

1017
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,239
You always have to have the faith and the trust

1018
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,960
in God that He will give you the discernment to

1019
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,000
make the right choice in those in those ways, and

1020
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,320
always relate everything back to scripture. Always be founded in

1021
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,119
your gospel. And I'm going to jump off my little

1022
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:58,320
soap box now I apologize.

1023
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 3: No, you're you're actually right. Thank you.

1024
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

1025
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: I thought you was thinking me for my knocking you

1026
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,199
off the box.

1027
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 3: Eh.

1028
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: That was a good time.

1029
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,519
Speaker 3: And I know you're top.

1030
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: It looked like I smacked you.

1031
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 3: Now that was great, Steve. Thank you for your your insights.

1032
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,840
Deception comes looking like truth, but it's it's lies that

1033
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,239
are wrapped in a veneer of truth because if it

1034
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,400
was obvious, no one would be deceived. And just to

1035
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,679
share a little personal experience, so my husband and I

1036
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,960
were recently back in November, we were scammed out of

1037
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,280
a large amount of money. You know, we sold our

1038
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,639
home in Kansas and uh, you know, we made some

1039
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,679
money off the sale of the house and that's what

1040
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,559
we were going to use to put us a down

1041
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:03,960
payment on a house here in Missouri, because we've felt

1042
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:08,559
drawn to Missouri anyway. But the point is that the

1043
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:11,559
way that we were deceived and scammed out of the

1044
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:18,239
money was because of technology deep fake. You know, you've

1045
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,239
heard of deep fake technology. And so someone who we

1046
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:29,800
knew and trusted, said, hey, instead of just leaving your money,

1047
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:32,480
you know, sitting in a checking account without getting interest,

1048
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,000
if you put it into this fund, you'll be able

1049
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,280
to get back some interest and earn a little more

1050
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,119
money so that you can have a good down payment

1051
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:46,320
for the house that you buy. But the deception was

1052
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,360
that it was a scammer and they used some type

1053
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,920
of deep fake technology to imitate the person who the

1054
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,360
actual real person who we knew and trusted, but it

1055
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,880
was all fake. It wasn't really that person's voice, but

1056
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:07,000
it sounded just like it. And that's you know, a

1057
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,960
person might think that I'd never fall for something like that,

1058
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:14,840
I'd never be deceived, But deception is all around us,

1059
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:17,920
whether it's on the internet, whether you know, I mean,

1060
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:23,559
you've seen those Mission Impossible movies where somebody is you know,

1061
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,639
looks like the president of the United States and they

1062
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,559
take off the mask and it's actually and that stuff

1063
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:33,639
is real, that is real, and so we don't even

1064
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,920
we don't even know if what we're seeing and hearing

1065
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,639
what was it. The other day, there was some news

1066
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:44,840
that was coming out of Gaza and it showed a

1067
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,960
scene that actually wasn't happening there. It was from a

1068
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:53,599
news clip over here that happened. You know, I don't

1069
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,639
know if it was like target practice or you know,

1070
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,800
some kind of a military exercise, and they were you

1071
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,400
that old film to make it look like it was

1072
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:08,840
happening over there. So we can't even trust what we

1073
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,280
see and hear. We can't just take stuff on face

1074
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,440
value anymore. And that's really sad. But Steve, I think

1075
01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:18,639
you hit it right on the head when you said

1076
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,920
we've got to be prayerful, we've got to be discerning.

1077
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,760
We've got to vet things. I mean, before you just

1078
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,519
copy and paste something and post it on your Facebook page,

1079
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,800
you need to vet that information so that you don't

1080
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,480
end up looking like a fool what it proves to

1081
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:38,480
be false. You know, people who we know and trust

1082
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:42,800
can be passing on false information, not intentionally. It's just

1083
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,559
that they haven't looked into it. They're just passing it

1084
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:51,079
on because they believe who it came from. So it's

1085
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:54,960
just going to be really important for us to look

1086
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:59,159
into things to know before we put something out there.

1087
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,679
And it's really hard, you know, when you can't, Like

1088
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:05,760
I wish, you know, you hear all this about all

1089
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,039
this stuff going on at the border, and you hear

1090
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:12,760
different sides of the story. You hear what's going on

1091
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,079
in the Middle East, you know, and people saying, Oh,

1092
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,840
it's Israel, They're these horrible people, and then you hear, no,

1093
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:23,079
it's the Palestinians. And it's like, I wish that I

1094
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:26,239
could just fly there to the border or to the

1095
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,360
Middle East and see for myself what the truth is.

1096
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:32,639
But we can't do that. So how do you find

1097
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:36,480
the truth when you're being bombarded from with fake news

1098
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,000
and people with agendas? What do you do? You know

1099
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:43,400
you have the answers.

1100
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,039
Speaker 2: I was just say, that's a very powerful warning that

1101
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:48,920
I think we all need to take a heart because

1102
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,519
there's so much that we see, like you said, if

1103
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:56,960
we listen to And the even worst part is we

1104
01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:00,719
also know there's different news outlets that are catering to

1105
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,199
a certain side of each argument too, which so you're

1106
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:08,239
getting falsehoods not only from the overall story, but then

1107
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,400
you're getting falsehoods from a way because they know you

1108
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:14,320
want to hear a certain side of an agenda, So

1109
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,439
they're going to turn a story a certain way just

1110
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,439
to treat you. You know, it's it. It's just too

1111
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,399
much for me. So my thing is, rather than watching news,

1112
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:30,199
read your Bible rather than go down those Facebook reels

1113
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,720
and all the Facebook stuff on there. Read your Bible

1114
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,640
rather than give in to all these things in the world.

1115
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,800
Read your Bible. Walk with God because he's the only

1116
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,600
one to give you that discernment to find out what's

1117
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,800
right or wrong. So, Tracy, I want you to know

1118
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,159
we're going to have to do a part two of

1119
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,680
this because I think we could keep going all night.

1120
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,479
So I think you have to do a part two

1121
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,439
of this. But before we let you go, let everybody

1122
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,079
know where they can find your books, any information on you.

1123
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:59,199
This is your chance to shamelessly plug anything.

1124
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:05,279
Speaker 3: Okay, well, my latest book here is The Warriors Walk

1125
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,479
and it's Keys to Victory and Spiritual Battle. And then

1126
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:14,880
here's my Joy and Pride Mormonism, The Matrix and me,

1127
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,279
I love this because this is my testimony of how

1128
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:26,119
God delivered me from the Kingdom of darkness. Yes, justin anyway.

1129
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,880
God is so amazing and this is how He did it,

1130
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,000
and it was just a fascinating read. It really is.

1131
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:37,479
I'm proud of this book and you can find it

1132
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:42,880
at any major bookstore online, Amazon, Barnes, and Noble Christian

1133
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,279
book distributors. So just look for my name Tracy Tennant,

1134
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,319
that's T R A, C Y, T, E, A and T.

1135
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:56,079
And then you can also go to my website, the

1136
01:09:56,199 --> 01:10:01,279
Mormon Matrix, and you can find information there on just

1137
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:05,319
to get a little background on Mormonism and how to

1138
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:11,319
how to share the Gospel with your LDS, friends, family, neighbors,

1139
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,640
or missionaries who show up on your doorstep. So I

1140
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,000
would suggest that. And then finally, I have a podcast

1141
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:25,039
and it's called From Colob Klob to Calvary and co

1142
01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:30,239
Loob is an imaginary planet, but in Mormon doctrine it's

1143
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:34,239
supposed to be a star close to where God the

1144
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:40,880
Father lives. So from Colob to Calvary on Apple iTunes.

1145
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tracy, has anybody started a go fund me

1146
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:52,840
for you for the that guy that took all your

1147
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,199
guys's money from your house.

1148
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 3: Thank you for asking. Yes, my son's best friend Star

1149
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:05,399
did one. But you know, we we haven't. We haven't

1150
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:09,479
got a lot of donations because I feel uncomfortable.

1151
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:15,279
Speaker 1: Like I mean, we're prideful creatures, you know, Well it's

1152
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:16,920
not pride. I just don't.

1153
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,119
Speaker 3: You know, we made a stupid mistake. And I don't

1154
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:24,840
want to put on my Facebook page every day that's what.

1155
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: I would. I would be too prideful. We want anybody

1156
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:30,800
to know, you know.

1157
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,039
Speaker 3: But we.

1158
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:37,079
Speaker 2: Need to help out with everybody. We we are together,

1159
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:38,920
we're brothers and sisters and all this, and we need

1160
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:39,760
to help each other out.

1161
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,239
Speaker 1: So thank you the links and we will have a

1162
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:49,640
link for this gofund me and if you feel compelled,

1163
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,960
give to this sister in Christ. And man, just put

1164
01:11:56,039 --> 01:12:00,720
yourself in her shoes. You have a a home that

1165
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,560
you've worked and built on your your whole life, and

1166
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,439
then you sell this home and hopes to get another one,

1167
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:10,279
and for some Jackwagon to just come and take it

1168
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:14,119
off from you, that this would just suck.

1169
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:20,159
Speaker 2: I think that's a Christian Yeah, jack Wagon, And you're just.

1170
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,159
Speaker 1: You're just so loving Tracy, and you've got to always

1171
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:29,640
gotta smile on your face. And I know God's gonna

1172
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,760
bless you and thank you for everything you do and

1173
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,840
being who you are.

1174
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:41,359
Speaker 3: Thanks, Justin. I appreciate that you're awesome, both of you.

1175
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:47,800
I look forward to part two. There's so much sounds good.

1176
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon, all right, God bless

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