Speaker 1: And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2: They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you
walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,
thinking that you are going to surprise them. You're only
kidding yourself.
Speaker 1: We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 2: We do what we do to try to bring awareness
to this topic, to be an open door for somebody
to walk through, to be able to share their story,
a listening.
Speaker 3: Ear, a support pold for those who.
Speaker 2: Have held their own encounters with that which is not
supposed to exist.
Speaker 1: We've got to open our eyes people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all led, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something.
Speaker 3: Jeremiah, how's it going, buddy.
Speaker 4: Hey, Wayne, appreciate the nice kind words. Man.
Speaker 5: Feeling is definitely mutual. Appreciate it, I really do. It
means a lot, Buddy.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for being here. You know, we
we had your scheduled once about a month ago and
you had some family issues. Wasn't able to make it,
so we got you rescheduled. I'm glad to have you tonight.
Glad you can be here, buddy.
Speaker 4: Glad to be here, Man, glad to be here.
Speaker 3: I told h toldal reviewers a little bit about you. Man,
I'm just gonna I'm gonna hand you the floor pretty early.
I want to ask you, you know, I don't know
exactly about your first I love whole lot about your
first encounter, but were you a believer? What was your
knowledge in the topic in that first encounter? And then
take us into it, Man, the floor is yours? Go ahead?
Speaker 4: Not a problem. Uh yeah, to answer the question. Yet,
definitely I was a believer.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 5: My grandmother was a lot of mohawk, so you know,
I grew up listening to stories about the big Guy,
and you know, and from guy as far back as
I can remember. You know, my dad come from a
long line loggers as well. We don't a lot of land,
always had as far back as I can remember, a
lot of weird stuff happening on the family properties, you know.
And age seven, my mother showed me a very special
film on top of that, which and it helped gear
my beliefs, you know.
Speaker 4: The past, of course.
Speaker 5: And uh, from that point on, Man, I was just
so I think probably how a lot of us got
got started, you know. But uh, in regards to uh,
the first encounter, yeah, it was uh. You know, I'll
tell you this much, even though you know I'll call
myself you know, I was in Nowerry, not for a
fact death, but you know what I'm trying to say. Anyway,
late fall, and you'll have.
Speaker 4: To excuse me.
Speaker 5: I have a I have a brand drinking kickboxing, so
I have a hard time remembering exact dates.
Speaker 4: But it was late fall.
Speaker 5: It was late October, maybe even in early November. I
was it was honey, it was rightful season. So the
whole time, man, I was sitting in that stand, and
I I just say it was an off, off feeling,
you know, almost like I knew something was going on,
but I just couldn't couldn't quite put my finger on it,
you know what I mean, just maybe at sixth sense,
if you want to want to call it that, I guess,
you know, as I when I walked got out of
my stand, it was dusty, and it was getting it
was getting dark, so it was time to be getting
out of the woods anyway, hadn't seen any deer whatsoever,
had my three under wind mag on me, had it
slung over my shoulder, and uh, I'm walking long logging
road which leads you back to you know, we're you know,
my wife and I are now where we have our cabin,
well back you know twenty years. This is back in
two thousand, Okay, so you know you're talking twenty years,
twenty years getting old. Uh uh walked down logging road
and and just I'm probably a quarter maybe a quarter
of mile more. My truck was the old man used
to have a skidder, an old blog skitter back there
from the thirties.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, real old one.
Speaker 5: And I'm getting getting upon it, and I see two
ambroish eyes kind of peeking around the front of the
of the skinner. And the skinner, mind you, is on
my on my left hand side. Okay, so I'm coming
upon it, and I I took a look, and I said,
in my hand, you know what the heck is that?
Speaker 4: You know, it's something? And again, something just wasn't sitting right.
You know. I knew it wasn't a deer, knew it
wasn't a bear. So I'm thinking, what is it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: So I keep walking.
Speaker 5: Mind you, I'm starting to walk it a little bit
slower of a pace because something was just not right,
you know. So I got a little bit closer and
next thing you know, it pops a ted back out again,
but kind of like that. But at that point a
hand wrapped yourself around the front end of the skider.
So the way on the side of the road the
skitterer was it must have high to bend the creature's
left hand, okay, from the position we were at. So
at this when I see the hand, I couldn't even
though I was a believer and I knew these things existed,
I couldn't. I couldn't process that I was looking at
I my brain just wouldn't allow me to do it,
you know what I mean? Ye all, And I'm just
looking at the eyes, and the eyes just it's almost
like I was paralyzed, you know. I just I got
that I had gotten to the point where I just
couldn't move from just looking at this thing. All of
a sudden, it pot goes back behind the skidder, and
I can't see a thing, okay, and turned on, you know,
I had, I turned my head lamp on and I
illuminated everything in front of me because at this point,
I'm turned directly towards the skidder and I'm staring at it.
And this thing leaps out from behind the skidder, okay,
And there's a log laying this way, not you know,
like parallel, but like a I don't know what you
call it, horizontal maybe if you want to call it that,
but leaps out from behind that skidder. And the distance
between the nose of that skidder and where that log
was was at least twelve to fifteen feet, okay. And
when that thing hit it, and it was it was
a small one. So that's what confused me even more.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, when you think of these things. You think,
you know, a big creature, you know, you don't. You
don't expect to see a sall one, you know. So
it took that lead man and it hit that log.
And the only way and I've you know, yeah, you
mentioned Travis earlier. I remember telling Travis, a good buddy
of mine too, heck of a guy man, I told him,
you know.
Speaker 4: I told the same thing. I told him.
Speaker 5: The only way I can describe this was, it propelled
itself off the front half of its feet, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like, there was no when it hit that skinter with
its feet, there was no. It didn't.
Speaker 5: It didn't squat down, It didn't really Maybe you know,
it swung its arms a little bit, but it didn't
launch itself with its body, if that makes sense. All
I remember is just looking at it and the front
half of its feet. It just propelled itself off the
front half of its feet.
Speaker 4: It was the most bizarre.
Speaker 3: So it didn't like bend its knees or anything.
Speaker 5: It just slightly, man, But it just every it seemed
like all the power of that motion came just from
it propelling itself off the front out of its feet.
I mean, and for some people, I understand that's a
hard pill to swallow. But you know as well as
I do, how athletic these things are. I mean, it's
just it's unbelievable. It's until you know, and I tell
my viewers this, you know, for my shows, you know,
until you see one and what they can do in person,
it's it's hard to fathom, you know, it's hard to
really fathom what they can do. So it propels itself
off the front half of its feet and there was
a tree, a standing tree, mind you, Okay, there's a
standing tree another probably another twelve to fifteen feet away,
and it propelled itself that distance to that tree, hop
behind the tree real quick, kind of hit itself for
a second, stuck its head back out real quick, and
then it popped right out and it it just it
gave me the eyes. It stared at me. It was
looking at me. I was looking at it, and I
still could not process what I was looking at. My
first thought was, you know, did someone zape get loose
or something? You know what I mean, that's the only thing, man,
it because it and even even when saying that to me, yes,
in ways, it does resemble an eight but even looking
at it that remembering that night, even then, it was
just something so bizarre looking and so foreign looking. It
was just so hard to process.
Speaker 3: You know, how far away were you from this thing
when you saw.
Speaker 5: It, when it took when it by the time it
got behind that tree and pop back out, I would say, God,
forty fifty feet the most I mean it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: Pretty up close and personal, you know, I got I
got some good detail it was about. It wasn't any
taller than five feet, like I said it was before
as the juvenile.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. The thing weighed about it.
Speaker 5: I if I had to take a guess at the weight,
I would say anywhere from a buck seventy five to
two hundred pounds.
Speaker 4: Now, when you're out.
Speaker 5: There and you're thinking about that, I know a lot
of people out there are probably thinking, well, that's not
that heavy. Well five foot or four and a half
feet solid muscle, two hundred pounds. That's that's put together.
You know, in this thing, it was put together. You know,
it could have made quick work for me.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, very good.
Speaker 5: So at that point I kind of kind of snapped
out of it a little bit and I started to
I wouldn't say process it yet, but you know it was.
Speaker 4: I knew this was something. You know, Am I actually
looking at one of these things?
Speaker 5: I did unsling my rifle all right off my shoulder,
and I want everyone out there to know I am
not pro kl Okay, I would never harm one of
these things.
Speaker 4: And that's you know, it came out of my my life,
for the life of one of my loved ones.
Speaker 5: I am not pro kl I had it illuminated, I
still wanted to see if I could get a better
look at it out of my scope, because even though
we were so close, I just I still didn't I
wasn't I just like I said, I couldn't process and
I don't want.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get a better look at it, you know.
Speaker 5: So as soon as I and this is how you know,
like you hear people say they know what guns are,
and you know, a lot of people don't believe that,
but this proved it for me. As soon as I
as soon as I raised that rifle to put the
crossstairs on it to take a peek, it hot behind
nit hop right back behind that tree kind of shielded
its face up as it went by in the tree
and it was gone. Man, it took off, and I'm
telling you, excuse me, I'm telling you why. The speed,
the escalation and speed from the time it took off.
It was just incredible, the way the thing moved and
about I would say, three meters back in the direction
I came.
Speaker 4: Okay, on the same side of the road the skidter
was on. I heard movement in the thicket.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm I've always thought, you know, I thought
about this ever since that night.
Speaker 4: Was that Mama?
Speaker 5: You know that moved, that walked, you know that that
took off after I always say he I don't know
if it was a male or female, you know, I
don't at this point it was it was. It was
just extremely young. So I'm guessing that Mama wasn't too
far away.
Speaker 4: I bet it was Mama.
Speaker 5: I can I agree with that, And I got him
pretty much almost guarantee, guarantee, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: It was Mama because the movement when I walked away,
you could hear the almost the movement, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm sure it was Mama.
Speaker 3: So I now, if you don't mind, you might have
mentioned it at the beginning of the show. It's it's
hard for me to to listen to everything. I'm trying
to catch up on the comments and everything. But when
did you say that this this? When did this happen?
And how old were you?
Speaker 4: That was?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 5: It was the year two thousand, year two thousand, okay,
it was on one of our family properties where my
wife and I reside.
Speaker 3: Now, so two thousand, you would have been a young man.
Speaker 4: I would have been. No, I'm forty. I'm forty one. Now.
I hate, I hate to admit that.
Speaker 3: I'm forty one too, brother.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was forty was a tough pill, this fallow,
but I'm used to it now. But anyway, yeah, I
was a young guy.
Speaker 4: I was young.
Speaker 3: I'm another thing. Seventy nine, baby, me too, man, me too, me.
I saw a nine months of the seventies. That was it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear that. Yeah, June seventy nine, that's me.
Speaker 5: But uh yeah, man, it was mama, And yeah it
was too, that was mama. And yeah, yes it was too.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Two thousand okay, Yeah, so I would have been you know,
twenty twenty one. I just turned just turned twenty one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was this.
Speaker 3: Encounter took place in the Adiron Ducks.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, yeah, okay, right after this.
Speaker 3: What happened? How did your life change after this encounter?
Did you tell anyone? Were you hesitant to tell anyone?
And just just tell us what happened? You know in
your life after this?
Speaker 5: My life changed completely. It just changed completely. That's what
it sent me in the direction of that. It set
me on the question for answers.
Speaker 4: You know, I needed to know.
Speaker 5: I needed to know about them, what they were, you know,
I need I need I needed to know. I needed answers.
That sets That set me on the track I'm on now,
you know, with the group and the shows and you know,
meeting all you awesome people out there and collaborating and
all this stuff. Man, it just it set me in
this direction. And I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was disturbing.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was disturbing. It was it was.
Speaker 5: It disturbed me a little bit, you know, because it's
something that your brain I'm big on the whole, you know,
the psychological aspect of when you lay eyes on one
of these things, it's always a different scenario, okay, And
and it does affect you psychologically.
Speaker 4: You know, some people have.
Speaker 5: More pleasant encounters than others. You know, my wife, her
encounter was she was very benign, very pleas. She described
it as almost uh the words she uses uh like
they were admiring each other almost, and it was you know,
that was something on the same teape piece of property.
Speaker 4: I'm jumping no uh no, answer your guests.
Speaker 5: No, I am about as far north in the ad
around I can get so about two and a half
hours later in north of north of there, nurse. But yeah, man,
the word she uses for is it is admiration of
each other. But anyway, I'm I'm jumping ahead of myself.
But you know, at that point I started to really
I didn't really get into it heavily, okay, until my
second encounter. You know, I I poked around for answers,
and you know, did a little bit of research, you know,
after the counter in two thousand but two thousand and
seven was the one that that was that was a
disturbing encounter and and and at that point I needed
I needed, I needed.
Speaker 4: And you know, any you know everything about them, what
they were, how big they got.
Speaker 5: So you know, if you want me to get into
that encounter now, you know, like I said, yeah, same, Well,
let me I answer your other question real quick.
Speaker 4: As far as telling people, for I was very hesitant.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely absolutely, And I told my dad mhm.
Speaker 4: He believed me.
Speaker 5: Because that dad knew they existed as well, and so
told Graham she believed me. You know, family, family, My
family were all know worse, you know, other people that
I did have confidence in telling that. I felt comfortable telling.
I just got the you're crazy response, you know, which
I'm sure you know we've all gotten, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4: Kind of you know.
Speaker 5: Now I'm at the point, right you know you think
I don't care, you know, and I'm sure you've reached
that point as well.
Speaker 4: We were you know, we know, and that's all that matters,
you know.
Speaker 5: So so that I've gotten used to that, you know,
I'm known as the crazy big foot guy around here
and hey whatever. So anyway, the friends I did tell
you I did, I was I was considered crazy. But anyway,
in two thousand and seven, uh about the about the
same time of year, man a little earlier, maybe I
was actually down there and I was doing some work
on my tree stand, okay, and I did sit for
a little bit. You know, I did a little bit
of work, but I was a little loud, so I
didn't expect to really see any deer anyway, But I said,
you know what, it's a nice, nice night.
Speaker 4: I'll sit here for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more, but the big foot for We'll
be right back.
Speaker 5: Kind of relaxed and just take take it all out
of nature, you know. I love you know, as you
do as we all.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my tree stand sits right over a beautiful spring.
It's a natural Artisian. You can see that white quick
stand bubbling all year round. And and I think that's
that's what That's one of the reasons they're there, is
that water source. You know, first because it tracks the
game for one, you know, and you get the game,
you're gonna get the sasquatches.
Speaker 4: But the water source alone, I think is one of
the reasons why there's so much activity. We got it, doubt.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So anyway, you know, I'm sitting there and and again, man,
all of a sudden, I get that feeling and the
way my tree stand was saying.
Speaker 4: The position it's in, it's on the backside of the pond. Okay,
So don't really get a good view of the whole pond.
Speaker 5: There's like a corner front left hand side of it,
towards the front of it that you really can't see
when you're in that tree stand, you know. So I
get out of the tree stand, I'm climbing down and
I was starting to really get the willies for some reason.
Speaker 4: And I couldn't put my finger on it.
Speaker 5: Even though it was the same feeling I had had
back in two thousand, I put it together, you know
what I mean, I just didn't come together. So I
start walking down the trail and the logging road leads
to the front of that pond. Okay, So that's where
I was head. And I'm walking down the trail to
lead me to the logging road, and I see something
in the water about five feet off shore, okay. And
at first I thought it was a tree, And I'm
thinking to myself, that's kind of bizarre. I've never seen
a tree there before, you know, I don't think one
grew that correct. What's going on here? Yeah, all of
a sudden, that tree twists the top half of its
body and she and it wasn't she.
Speaker 4: She she just gave me those eyes man.
Speaker 5: And at that point, and it was about the same distance,
maybe even a little closer movie thirty five forty feet
and she was big, she was big to this day,
and all had this in her right hand. She was
holding vegetation that she had been eating off. I'm guessing
she had been eating. Okay, she was holding vegetation in
her right hand.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Now when you say vegetation, I mean was it leaves?
Speaker 4: I mean what was she hoped like strawsh vegetation coming
off the bank.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It was that time of year where everything's you know,
about to die, you know, but it was the longer,
you know, longer, the longer longer vegetation you see in swamps,
you know what I mean. She had a clump of
it in her hand, and you could I was so closer.
I could actually see remnants remnants of excuse me, around
her mouth area. That's how close I was. I will
admit that I lost control of my functions at that point.
It really it scared the hell out of me, man, scared.
Speaker 4: It literally, it literally did. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The look and I had again, I had my rifle,
I had it slung right over my shoulder, and she
had been looking at me dead, and the eyeballs, okay,
the whole that, during that whole time, and it was
almost like the eyes just stole my soul, you know, and.
Speaker 4: Just staring at me, and I twice giving me goosebump
just thinking about it.
Speaker 5: I saw our eyes and they they twit, they flickered
towards they flickered right towards the barrel of that rifle
on my shoulder, and they flickered right back at me fast.
And and I'm gonna say, I gotta get this my buddy,
like my good buddy and my one of my research
burners with my co host John Wilson, great guy.
Speaker 4: I got this expression from him and from the movie
tomb Stone.
Speaker 5: The look she gave me was, Okay, go ahead and
skin that smoke wagon if you want, but you know what,
You're not gonna be a skin that smoke wagon, you know,
but you're not.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to you first. And that that was
that was the look I got from her.
Speaker 5: And needless to say, I didn't try to skin it,
you know, Uh did not try to skin that smoke wagon,
that's for sure. And she, like I said, it was
a female and it was obvious she did have breasts. Now,
and I've always said this, I don't think she wasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I have two theories on They weren't
like at They weren't like you see on Patty.
Speaker 5: You know how Patty's sagged extremely low, right, Yes, okay, yeah,
they had a sag to him, but they weren't anywhere
near that.
Speaker 4: Okay. She may not have bread yet, or she might
have been younger.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 5: I've always led more she hadn't bread maybe because she
was she was big, man, And I can't give you
an exact size because like I said, she was seeing
the water, but from where the water line was on her,
like Shints was if you went, you know, i'd say,
and I'm gonna say to this day, you know, And
it's something that it's something I've always said. I think
people underestimate to weight these things. I really do, you know,
because I don't know, man, she to me. I used
to be a fighter and a wrestler, so I'm a
very good judge at weight, you know, judging someone's weight,
how heavy somebody is, you know, And for example, you
take a.
Speaker 4: Take a full grown male mountain gorilla.
Speaker 5: Okay you're talking, you know, they can hit four hundred pounds,
and she she dwre she would have dwarfed dwarf that
I mean, she was all of.
Speaker 4: Six hundred pounds, if not heavier, all all of it.
Speaker 5: But the most impressive part about her, you know, Yes,
her shoulders were extremely wide.
Speaker 4: And as I was saying, you know, she couldn't, she didn't.
She tried to turn her whole body to look at
me from the hips up. Okay, so she her body
was turned, she was looking at me. The most impressive
part about her wasn't the width of the shoulders. It
was the the front to back, the thickness that was
that that was the impressive thing.
Speaker 5: And and that's one thing about the And other people
have different types of encounters where well, where they will
sorry about that, where they will you know, something.
Speaker 4: Will be more noticeable than another.
Speaker 5: But with my experiences, man, it's always been that front
to back with is what's impressive to me, you know.
Speaker 3: And one thing I noticed from from the way you
were describing this is something that you hear all the time.
You said, she turned from like the waist like this.
That's just you know, so many people talk about it
seems like they don't have a neck. The head just
sets right on the shoulders, and they don't turn their neck,
you know like we do. They turn their their body.
And you talked about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I don't think they I don't think
they really can.
Speaker 5: And don't get me wrong, I mean, I mean, I
I they're every individual is different, but you know, and
some of them, you know, you through my experiences, you
can see, you know, sometimes you will.
Speaker 4: See a little you'll see a little bit of it.
But they I have never seen one turn. It's net
you know.
Speaker 5: And and to be honest with you, over the years,
I've done hundreds of interviews, Dan, I I I've never
had someone tell me that that the that they've seem
on turned their head like that, not not one time,
not one time. I mean, it was just unbelievable. And
her mouth, the width of her mouth was just unreal. Yeah,
the mouth was closed. The lips for lips for thin.
They weren't big, puffy, thick lips. But this this is
an exaggeration. But at the time, it looked like her
lips for ear to ear to me at that time,
you know, But now that I look back at it
and prob I say, you know, That's just my way
of describing the situation. You know, they they here lives
for They were wide, don't get me wrong. I mean
they weren't exactly EERI a ear, but they were they were.
She had a very wide mouth. Man, I didn't notice
any ears. The head, you know, it was conical, but
it wasn't again, it wasn't a Patty type conical head.
Speaker 4: It was a little more around a little more roundish
than that, you know.
Speaker 3: And again yeah, and you know, I just popped up
here Obert's comment, turning the body is all I've seen.
I've had Albert on a couple of times and I
think he said seven seven encounters, seven visual sightings, and
he says all he's ever seen is in turning the
head too. So maybe something man, maybe they maybe that's
all they can do.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I worked with you know, Will Jenning
and I worked together for years, you know, and I
know Will very well.
Speaker 4: Will taught me a lot I work.
Speaker 5: You know, we're uh you know, was Will's director of
or did you have any research group for years before
I went out on my own, And uh, you know,
he taught me a lot and I never once you know,
the the the talks we've had about these things, and
that's something he would always throw out there too. He's
he told me several times he had never heard of anyone,
you know, had anyone tell them that they could move
them you know, move their neck or their lower body
for that matter. You know, you know, that's just all
they can do is twists like that.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. They not They can't move
their neck. They just like that like we can, you know.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's a shame. It's a shame because
all we have to go on is during encounters like yours,
like the old Bears, like all these other people that
that say that that they've never seen their their neck move,
that they've moved from the west, from the waist down
or waist up. That's how they turn. We're not going
to know for sure about their anatomy until a body
is brought in.
Speaker 4: That's what I say.
Speaker 3: That's what sus We all of us people were all
no kill, the majority of us no kill. My group
is a no kill, meaning that I'm never going to
set up a mission to go out and kill one
to bring it in. I always carry my gun on
my hip when I go out for protection. If I
have to take one down, I will take one down.
But I do not believe anybody can go out in
the woods on a mission to take one out and
bring the body back. I do not expect to get
that body if I have to take one down.
Speaker 5: No, no, And if I exactly wa ain't, I can't
agree with you more. And I believe you know I'm
the same way. I do perry to protect myself, but
I would never try to set something up to try
to burn in and bring her one in he goes.
First of all, that's just I don't believe that's right.
Speaker 4: Okay. Second of all, I don't think you're gonna be
able to pull it off.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's it's not the one in front of you you
gotta worry about anyway.
Speaker 5: It's the two coming from the one coming from this
side and the one coming from that side, and the
one coming from behind you.
Speaker 3: Brother, That's what I'm saying. You take that one if
you're lucky enough to take that one down in front
of you, If you're lucky enough, the two behind you
are going to get you.
Speaker 4: They're gonna get you.
Speaker 3: So if I'm ever put in situation and I drop one,
I'm running.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you see, I mean it's just luckily luckily.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know when that second encounter again, you know,
like that for the verse, I just frozen, like a
paralyzed if I had wanted to get to move, man,
But before I got to that point, you know, she
turned and she was gone. Now you know, after you know,
researching all these years, I have you know, measured out
you know the you know, the area where she when
she got out of the water.
Speaker 4: Okay, she took three leaps. Once she got out of
the water.
Speaker 5: She hopped out, hit the bank, took a leap, and
then took two more and she covered about sixty feet,
so you're talking twenty feet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And here's another thing regarding the weight.
Speaker 5: She was so heavy when she You know, when you
gotta when you've got a boot on and you gotta
stuck in the mud and you pull it out real hard,
and you hear a.
Speaker 4: Pop, you know what I mean, You hear that suction
suction sound.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when she she ripped her feet out of that mud,
you you could hear it, you know, even though it
was in the water, even though she was in the water,
you could still hear that weight coming out. Wow, you
know she was gone, man, you know and and I
do you know?
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to crime that excuse. I'm not
gonna climb on this roomhole tonight.
Speaker 5: But I will say I do believe there are certain
individuals out there that may have one.
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, this is uh, this is dude here from
World big Foot Radio. What's up, dude. He makes a
very good comment here, if you had a body of
the government would just would show up and take it
anyway that's happened.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I already know.
Speaker 5: I know of a case of but I can't really
get into it deep uh tonight for a couple of reasons.
I'll get with you later on that. But maybe sometimes
in the future we talk about it with the viewers.
But there were that happened in an area up there.
Speaker 4: Oh they were.
Speaker 3: They came and Grid, you got my interest paid now?
Speaker 5: And when I yeah, and like I said, like I said,
I'll get with you later on and I'll explain to you,
and I think you'll understand why.
Speaker 4: And I didn't say anything now, but and only took
it took a day then to get there.
Speaker 5: It was from what I understand, there was two gentlemen
dressed in uniforms and one dressed more like maybe a scientist,
and they hall.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what they were driving? Do you do?
You know that?
Speaker 4: But they were they they came in a like a
utility utility.
Speaker 3: Van, a band okay okay, and I came prepared to
take it.
Speaker 4: They came prepared to take it. It was like a
U haul truck almost from what I from what I
understand now, that is what I got. Understand. This is
like hand knowledge. This is something I was told myself.
Speaker 5: Some that someone told me, but someone very credible that
I know very well, that was there it saw it,
saw this event take place.
Speaker 3: What chinde of subject? Now, you made it clear you
didn't talk about it right now, so right, okay? So
something else I didn't want to ask you because we've
talked about two sidings. Now that you've had yea, what
kind of a view did you get of the face
on both of them? And were there similarities to them,
one being one that you think was an adolescent juvenile
and the other one being a full grown female. Were
there similarities and talk about the facial features? Please?
Speaker 5: Yes, there were similarities. Yeah, the different zilling difference really being.
Speaker 4: Was one was a juvenile and was an adult.
Speaker 5: You know, they looked they were kind of kind of similar,
you know her Oh, let me mentioned, I'm gonna tell
you something that I don't know if you've ever heard
anyone say this before, but she did something very interesting
in her eyes. And a lot of people have from
bs at me through this over the years, but I
know what I saw. Ever seen a shark when it
bites in the prey and that shield comes up over
its eyes. Yeah, Like it was like that man, And
it was like a flicker she did like like maybe
like a uh, some type of a membrane or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if she thought sorry
about that man. I don't know if she thought I
was gonna do shoot her or I don't know why
she did it.
Speaker 5: But it was like something some sort of membrane on
the bottom of the eye and it went up, not
it went.
Speaker 4: From the bottom up, not from the bottom, not from
the top to the bottom.
Speaker 3: And so she's like a second set of onlids kind of.
Speaker 4: Or kind of kind of. There was only one.
Speaker 5: There wasn't two that came together. It was just one
that came up. She flickered him a couple of times.
That was it, and it was they were almost transparent,
but not one where I couldn't see that she was
moving something I can't. I can't explain it. It's just
something I can't explain. But I I just I thought
i'd throw that out. They're at you man, you know
I don't. I've had one of the I interviewed one
other guy years back that said he saw that happen,
and yeah, it was extremely bizarre, extremely bizarre. I mean,
it's just very weird as far and again, okay, as
far as similarities, yeah, very very similar. Both like an
auburnish brown type color from what I noticed from you know,
from my perspective, like a like an auburnish brown color. Uh,
she was a little more auburn and the younger one
is a little more darker brown, but again still very similar,
very similar color, extremely long arms.
Speaker 4: Facial features.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Her eyes were just I know, and that's another thing
people describe seeing different types of eyes shapes.
Speaker 4: You know, these were just big round eyes, just solid black.
Speaker 5: I saw no whites, uh, just just just black black
women in the asis page man, just glaring and you
hear a lot about.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm reading what you're you're saying.
Speaker 5: Second near a memory and yeah that and that's that's
the only way I can put to that would be memory.
It's perfect, that fits perfect actually, but uh anyway, yes, yeah, yeah,
it's perfect, perfect way to put it. But the people
describe a matted type hair and I'll say hair because
it's not for its hair, and there's no doubt about.
Speaker 4: That in my mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, people described the Maddy nasty, disgusting looking
hair or you know, I didn't see that. I don't
know if it was because maybe for all we know,
I mean, let's let's admit that as researchers, okay, right now,
we really don't know didly.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more, but that they put herford, we'll
be right back.
Speaker 4: You know, we really don't. I mean we do, but
we don't. You know, we don't really know a lot.
And for all we know, they could.
Speaker 5: Have a in the northern part of you know, the country,
North America and the colder climates.
Speaker 4: They may have a winter coach.
Speaker 5: That comes in who knows, but and that could be
why it looks so clean to me and for all
we know, they grew each other. I've heard people say
that they witness that. I personally have never witnessed it,
but I have had witnesses tell me they've seen it,
you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's on both of them. Actually, and my
wife would tell you the same thing if she was here.
You know.
Speaker 5: That's one thing that she noticed too about the big
boy that she saw was very very clean looking.
Speaker 4: Not one not Maine you looking just very clean, very Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: We were to have supposed to have your watch Dicey
on with you tonight. Yeah, but she's a little ill
under the way. I want to say that the Stacey,
I'm sure you're watching. Hope you get your feeling better
and maybe next time you can come home with us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she extended her apologies. Man, she felt bad and
break an interesting topic. If you want me to touch
on it real quick. You're actually the the day she
got sick. We had been out the night before, and
Traves will tell you straight up, I had some audio
that I got I had had all my equipment was
stolen a few years back, so I'm I've been in
the process of replacing thousands of dollars over the last
couple of years, you know. So anyway, you just we
picked up a new RECRS the other night, and I
prefer the old school, you know, the tapes you totally
the cassette and and you hit play your hate record.
Speaker 4: I think that's the wa go. I really do.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I bought the wrong size, so I had to
use the old app on the phone to try to
get this audio. And anyone that's ever done a show
with me, any of my co hosts, they'll tell you
that Jeremiah is not the most tech savvy gentleman in
the world. So, uh, I called Travis up and told him.
I said, man, I'm having a heck of a time
getting this audio up over the page. He's like, well,
let me give it a shot. So he he was
trying to do it too. But something I'm not doing.
Speaker 4: Right, but I'd like to get it up on it.
Speaker 5: I someone and uh remember in my group said, you know, Jeremiah,
you know, I don't know if you're big on the
infrasound thing, but if you are, you think there's you
could have gotten zapped, you know, hit with it, and
you know, made your little uh sex sickly and me
personally when I do believe they can do it, just
my belief Ever, you know, people like don't believe in that.
I respect that everyone's entiled to their own beliefs, but
from my own experiences, I truly believe they can do it.
Speaker 3: So you believed she might have got hit other or not,
I don't know.
Speaker 5: I I think it could be a possibility. Sure, And
my wife is a you know, she's she's a sensitive.
My wife is she's actually you know her and armal
investigator by trade. But you know we we co investigate
now together, we've cross fields and that we even each
other out, you know what I mean. So I'm thinking maybe,
you know, with her being a sensitive and all, you know,
it could have left her more susceptible.
Speaker 4: To it if that's what did happen. So I don't know.
I just wanted to throw that out there. But she's, uh,
you know, she's starting to feel better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but she's she thought she looked like death's so
she said to my am, sorry, she's liked go flee
and get on with the next day.
Speaker 3: No worries. Uh, I can already take We're gonna have
you guys back because we've been on here for going
on an hour and we haven't even really brushed the surface.
I have the feeling of some of the stuff you
guys have seen. So but Karen, Karen had a good
question here. Do you think that secondary membrane has anything
to do with the different colored glowing eyes some people
have seen. Thank you, Karen. That's that's a good question.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 4: I think it's a definitely possibility.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the biggest arguments in the Bigfoot
community right now as people arguing about the eyes. Is
it reflection or do they self eliminate somehow. I personally
believe it's reflection, But I've never seen one in the daytime.
I've had one siding in my life and it was
about six months ago and it was through.
Speaker 4: Thermal that was it.
Speaker 3: So well, I can't say, yeah.
Speaker 5: See, you know, for years, you know, I was a
big I was big on the reflection thing, that they
need a light source, you know, for the eyes to
light up, you know, give you a reflection. Back when
we were in North Carolina, we had a great spot,
an excellent, excellent area. I saw something I can't explain
that contradicted that theory.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I.
Speaker 5: Don't I don't know, man, I it might have been
getting a light from somewhere, you know, from Uh, there
wasn't really any moonlight we were in that we were dark,
completely dark. But that's one of my one one of
my techniques that we use. I like, I believe if
you're they know you're If they're in the area and
you walk in, they know you're there. The second year
you walk in the area, they know you're there.
Speaker 4: First of all.
Speaker 5: You know, we're sitting there and we heard them walk out,
you know, from the bayou, and you can hear them.
And one of them's in the water and in front
of me, and and you're another one of my right
and the water, another one to the left dragging its
feet through the water. And you could see hear some
on land. So they were a bunch of them were
coming in. And uh, they their eyes lit up.
Speaker 4: Man. And And like as I said, I was big.
Speaker 5: For years on the fact that, yeah, they need a
light source to illuminate their eyes.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, man, Like I said, there could have.
Speaker 5: Been that small little amount of light they need to
do that coming from somewhere, But I didn't see it.
You know, it wasn't coming to me.
Speaker 3: You did experience lighted up oz and you you don't
know any way of light hitting them?
Speaker 4: No, I mean, there's no way.
Speaker 5: And I've been in denial about it, to be honest
with you, because I was such a big believer that
you needed something to have, you know, some sort of
light in their eyes to give you a reflection back.
But man, I can't deny what I saw, you know,
And they were coming back different colors, you know. One
came back red, one came back a maroon, and one
lit up. Two of them lit up blue, like a
fluorescent blue. I mean, it was just it just blows
my mind, you know. I don't know that's it's a
very strong possibility that that maybe there's a membrane, you know,
I have.
Speaker 4: I've had other fellow researchers.
Speaker 5: Tell me other things that they've heard from certain individuals,
if you want to put it that way, that they
can do that and why. But it's it's really not
my place to go into that, but I have heard
other people say it, So I really don't know when.
I wish I could give you an answer on that one, man,
but I can't. But I just I know what I saw,
you know, yeah, and I like with me, you know,
so I don't know. They might need just the smallest
amount of light, and they might have been getting it
from somewhere, but I didn't see it and it wasn't
coming from.
Speaker 3: Me, Just like I said earlier about we don't know
if they can turn their head or not. We won't
know until we have a specimen, you know, And and
that suff I hate that there's no way that we're
ever going to be able to study one alive. That
that's not going to happen. So the best, the best
tool that we have right now to learn about these
things is from people like you, people doing shows like this,
talking to people that have witnessed them, that has seen
them before and can share their behavior and talk about
their behavior. Like the the membrane thing with the eyes
that you You've started all kind of a conversation over here.
I don't know if you can see it. The people
have been talking about it, and that was new to me,
but some of these other people have talked about that
they've heard it and they're comparing it to other animals.
So what we're doing is really important, and it's all
that we have right now because we don't believe.
Speaker 5: It's very Yeah, I believe it's very important, and I
believe it's very important for guys, you know, for all
of us in this community, you know, especially guys like me,
you and I that do host shows, that we all
work together, because, you know, bickering one another over theories
and who's right and who's wrong, that's not getting anybody anywhere,
you know.
Speaker 4: So I think the more we all work together, that
it's just the better off we're all going to be.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly all this bitterness and competition in the field
that I want to it all comes from egos. It's
everybody wants to be the first one to prove that
this thing is real. Instead of everyone working together too
and share in information and all getting it recognized together,
other people just they want to be the first one.
I guess they think that there's gonna be some kind
of rich you know, money and fame and all this
stuff that comes from it. I mean, I'm not making
any money. Are you making money? No?
Speaker 4: Man? And that's what I always say to people. You
think you're gonna get rich doing this, You're you're not.
Speaker 3: No so much money doing this, man, It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: You you and me both, man, a lot a lot
of money. But you know, I enjoy it. I you know,
I know I can. I know you do too. And uh,
it's a passion. You got to have a passion. Yep,
you got to have a passion for it to do.
Speaker 3: It gets in your blood, gets in your blood, and
you just you don't you can't stop it. Man, I
enjoy it. You know, I've met so many cool people
like you, uh, just really really cool people that I
would have never met, I would never talk to in
my life if it hadn't been for this. Off it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely get out of it. Yep, absolutely, I to I
can't agree with you more.
Speaker 5: You know, you meet a lot of great I met
so many great people doing this, and you know it's
been a phenomenal experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, do you have a little short encounter that
maybe we could talk about for a few more minutes
or do you need to run?
Speaker 4: No, I don't go anywhere. Man. I can tell you.
Speaker 5: I can tell you what my wife told me about hers,
and I can tell you about one we had together.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about the one that you guys had together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think she may be a little bit
upset if I spilled the beans on hers, I think
he'd probably want to tell you about that.
Speaker 4: But it is, it is a pretty cool encounter. We're uh,
we were this.
Speaker 5: This was back in two thousand and the summer God
twenty sixteen, summer twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: I guess I apologize.
Speaker 5: I have a brain injury from pickboxing, so it's kind
of sometimes it's hard for me to remember.
Speaker 4: Dates. We were living off the grade down there.
Speaker 5: We were living in a camper, and we were you know,
we were in the process of building our cabin, and
we were just going.
Speaker 4: We were walking one day and she, uh, she stopped.
I said, what are you doing?
Speaker 5: She goes, look right there to my left. So I
kind of turned and she's kind of caught to it.
Like this, looking in the same direction. There's a stump, okay,
a pretty good good sized stump where a tree had fallen.
Now that I think about it, maybe something pushed it over,
but it was a it was a good sized stump.
And and again there's a little one and it's doing
a little peekaboo thing with this back and forth, back
and forth playing. And that's the way, that's the only
way I can describe it. As it was playing a
little game of peace, you know, with us, and this one,
this one was small. It was smaller it would have been,
you know, I'd say, granted I we were, we were
probably sixty seventy feet away, so I can't And plus
I wouldn't be able to give you a height on
this one anyway from the position it was behind that
stump said.
Speaker 3: North Carolina or up in the Aronda.
Speaker 5: Oh this is this is this was up here before
we moved down there. And uh so, you know, it
was small, and it was skinnier than that first juvenile.
It was skinnier, and the facial features are a little
bit different. This was a little more a little more
eight plucking than the other two. Okay, a little more
eight booking, a little more like looking. If if you will, you.
Speaker 3: Know were the other two, would you say they were
more human human?
Speaker 4: Luck, No, not at all.
Speaker 5: I find anything human about them, to be honest with you.
Just a different look, not not an eight not a human,
just something in its own.
Speaker 4: Too, I can put it. I know a lot of
people described.
Speaker 5: Seeing human looking, and I do believe there's different types,
you know, I know different types in my own and
just in my area, you know, and I believe within
the main types. I believe there's probably subspecies within the
main types as well. So I really don't know how
many there are, you know, how many different types of
these things there are?
Speaker 4: You know, in my you know, people I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: I hear people talking about there's four types. You saw
a top one, or you saw top two or top
three or top four, And I just I don't understand
how they come to that conclusion. I mean, researcher, right put.
Researcher is a title that we choose to give ourselves.
You know, I didn't go to school for.
Speaker 4: This, agreed.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that you have a PhD in
big foot studies, do you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean so no, I like, but I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that they're offered, you know. That's
my point. You can't get a doctorate in sasqua.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even let's say, for example, yeah, even if you
got an anthropology, I still don't think that qualifies you. Yeah,
they say there's a different you know, It's just that's
just my opinion, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, and I agree with that. I agree with
that just because you have a PhD. Anthropology doesn't mean
that you're a big foot expert. You're not an expert
on a subject that that hasn't been proven one hundred
percent to exist. I'm sorry. There are no big foot experts,
so there's just.
Speaker 4: Not there are somebody say nope.
Speaker 3: That that you saw top two or you saw a
top four. I mean, maybe somebody can answer.
Speaker 5: The question to give it that I don't understand, right, Yeah, yeah, right,
I see what you're saying, to give it, to give
it that label as a type line type.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I don't think
you know, it's.
Speaker 5: Qualifies you to give that, to be able to give
it that label, you know, it's just yeah, maybe you
know that's just my personal, you know opinion that I
think there are types different ones out there, but I
I don't think I have the I don't have the
credentials to label them what type they are, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. Yeah, oh yeah, it's an opinion
I hold in my own, and I agree.
Speaker 3: I agree with that opinion. I definitely agree that there
are separate different tops. I mean, there's different types of humans,
you know, we have different races. Sure, sure, So who's
to saying that there's no different races of these things?
You know, we don't know. But my point was, got
these people that say, well, you ran into a top two,
don't you don't want to run into a top four
or watch out for the top ones? And I don't know,
how do you know that? That's my question. I just
don't understand. Maybe maybe somebody out there can tell me.
And I mean, I'm not being ugly. I'm not being
ugly to people that say that. I'm just saying that
I don't understand it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see. And that's another thing that I've changed
my views over the years on as well as the
you know, the the labeling of different types.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm at the point now where I'm not afraid
to do. Man.
Speaker 5: I don't have the qualifications to label something a type
one or a think two or you know what I mean.
I don't have those qualifications, you know, So I just
don't Again, I definitely believe that there are different tops.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know how people can tell what
what what tops or what?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I probably need them to make myself feel clear on that.
I don't want to take anybody all but I understand.
Speaker 4: I get you. I understand what you're saying. I but
you know, like you you said too, you know, I
do think you you can tell. I think you can
tell and something's a different species. But yeah, you know,
how can you label it? You know, you know what
I mean, I don't know it. Not all gorillas look the.
Speaker 3: Same, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know Mountain gorilla from the Lowland gorilla. You're
gonna look, there's gonna be a difference, you know. But yeah,
you know, I just I don't have the I'm not,
like you said, I'm not an expert either.
Speaker 4: So that's that's all I can say say about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well this is on the Trail Scripted Paranormal Research group.
That is, you run the group with your wife Stacey
that you guys handled this right.
Speaker 4: Uh actually, uh yeah, well I I was I founded.
Stacy has a run two groups.
Speaker 5: Actually, she runs a group called I started on the
Trail with and she has a group called, uh Secret
Society of Paranormal and Encrypted Research.
Speaker 4: So we run those two. We work very closely with
other groups, you.
Speaker 5: Know, you know Minnesota and those guys, uh you know,
uh Mason Dixon, chain Lea and them.
Speaker 4: You know, I enjoy it. That got you now, I
enjoy you, which I think it's great that we all.
I think it's better. The more we all work together,
the better, you.
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, And we we have a mutual friend, Travis Bowen.
Speaker 4: Great guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's the Virginia he's our lead investigator out
in Virginia. A ruddy. I think you're starting to uh,
I think your your service is starting to lag a
little bit. Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Okay, I can hear I can hear you. Yeah, Like
I said, if I had a few on we might
run into this problem.
Speaker 5: We're extremely close to Canada where I am right now.
Speaker 3: So okay, all right, well we we've gone almost ten
minutes over an hour, so it's time to get off
here anyway. But uh, I do want to set up
a time for maybe you and and your wife Stacey
to come back, you know, here here soon if y'all
don't mind, because I got a feeling you've got a
lot more to talk about.
Speaker 4: That would be a pleasure. Yeah, I can.
Speaker 3: Well, it was great to have you, buddy, uh and
I will I'll be happy to do your show and
you and I will talk in the next day or
so to get a get a part two lined up
with you and you and your your wife Stacy.
Speaker 4: Sounds good, Wayne.
Speaker 3: Honor. I bet you have a good night.
Speaker 4: Okay, you have a good night. Man.
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Speaker 6: Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at
end of day. Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze, Secrets
kept by an shoot, trees, dog man, houseping echoes in
the silent two.
Speaker 4: Tracks.
Speaker 6: We five, but answers none. A hunt for truth that's
just the gone. We're searching past the fire light. Four
creatures hidden out of sight in the forest heart, where
shadows lay seeking see chrits in the twilight. Through the fog,
A shape did glye, skin walker, I s whi legends
of Oh we chase to night in the dark. Our
lanterns bright by the creek, quil water spill whispers rye,
the windsow chill, full of steep band tails on top
in this land the myths of old. We're searching past
the fire light. Full creature's hidden out of sight in
the forest heart, where shadows lay seeking sea chrits in
the twilight break