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Speaker 1: And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually

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claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,

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come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There

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is no such thing as an expert when it comes

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to bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: They know in an instant that you were in the woods.

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There is no hiding from them, There is no being

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quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you

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walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,

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thinking that you are going to surprise them. You're only

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kidding yourself.

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Speaker 1: We have got to get it out of our heads

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that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in

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my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures

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right now is by listening to and talking to those

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that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and

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experienced them in their own environment.

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Speaker 2: We do what we do to try to bring awareness

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to this topic, to be an open door for somebody

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to walk through, to be able to share their story,

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a listening.

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Speaker 3: Ear, a support pold for those who.

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Speaker 2: Have held their own encounters with that which is not

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supposed to exist.

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Speaker 1: We've got to open our eyes people, there is something

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out there. All of these thousands of people that have

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seen something. They're not all led, they're not all crazy.

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There are some very reputable, good people out there that

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have seen something.

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah, how's it going, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Wayne, appreciate the nice kind words. Man.

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Speaker 5: Feeling is definitely mutual. Appreciate it, I really do. It

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means a lot, Buddy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for being here. You know, we

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we had your scheduled once about a month ago and

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you had some family issues. Wasn't able to make it,

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so we got you rescheduled. I'm glad to have you tonight.

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Glad you can be here, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Glad to be here, Man, glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: I told h toldal reviewers a little bit about you. Man,

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I'm just gonna I'm gonna hand you the floor pretty early.

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I want to ask you, you know, I don't know

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exactly about your first I love whole lot about your

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first encounter, but were you a believer? What was your

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knowledge in the topic in that first encounter? And then

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take us into it, Man, the floor is yours? Go ahead?

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Speaker 4: Not a problem. Uh yeah, to answer the question. Yet,

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definitely I was a believer.

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 5: My grandmother was a lot of mohawk, so you know,

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I grew up listening to stories about the big Guy,

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and you know, and from guy as far back as

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I can remember. You know, my dad come from a

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long line loggers as well. We don't a lot of land,

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always had as far back as I can remember, a

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lot of weird stuff happening on the family properties, you know.

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And age seven, my mother showed me a very special

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film on top of that, which and it helped gear

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my beliefs, you know.

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Speaker 4: The past, of course.

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Speaker 5: And uh, from that point on, Man, I was just

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so I think probably how a lot of us got

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got started, you know. But uh, in regards to uh,

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the first encounter, yeah, it was uh. You know, I'll

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tell you this much, even though you know I'll call

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myself you know, I was in Nowerry, not for a

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fact death, but you know what I'm trying to say. Anyway,

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late fall, and you'll have.

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Speaker 4: To excuse me.

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Speaker 5: I have a I have a brand drinking kickboxing, so

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I have a hard time remembering exact dates.

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Speaker 4: But it was late fall.

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Speaker 5: It was late October, maybe even in early November. I

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was it was honey, it was rightful season. So the

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whole time, man, I was sitting in that stand, and

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I I just say it was an off, off feeling,

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you know, almost like I knew something was going on,

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but I just couldn't couldn't quite put my finger on it,

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you know what I mean, just maybe at sixth sense,

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if you want to want to call it that, I guess,

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you know, as I when I walked got out of

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my stand, it was dusty, and it was getting it

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was getting dark, so it was time to be getting

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out of the woods anyway, hadn't seen any deer whatsoever,

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had my three under wind mag on me, had it

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slung over my shoulder, and uh, I'm walking long logging

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road which leads you back to you know, we're you know,

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well back you know twenty years. This is back in

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two thousand, Okay, so you know you're talking twenty years,

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twenty years getting old. Uh uh walked down logging road

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and and just I'm probably a quarter maybe a quarter

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of mile more. My truck was the old man used

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to have a skidder, an old blog skitter back there

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from the thirties.

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, real old one.

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Speaker 5: And I'm getting getting upon it, and I see two

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ambroish eyes kind of peeking around the front of the

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of the skinner. And the skinner, mind you, is on

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my on my left hand side. Okay, so I'm coming

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upon it, and I I took a look, and I said,

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in my hand, you know what the heck is that?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's something? And again, something just wasn't sitting right.

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wasn't a bear. So I'm thinking, what is it?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: So I keep walking.

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Speaker 5: Mind you, I'm starting to walk it a little bit

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slower of a pace because something was just not right,

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you know. So I got a little bit closer and

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next thing you know, it pops a ted back out again,

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but kind of like that. But at that point a

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hand wrapped yourself around the front end of the skider.

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skitterer was it must have high to bend the creature's

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left hand, okay, from the position we were at. So

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at this when I see the hand, I couldn't even

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though I was a believer and I knew these things existed,

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I couldn't. I couldn't process that I was looking at

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you know what I mean? Ye all, And I'm just

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looking at the eyes, and the eyes just it's almost

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like I was paralyzed, you know. I just I got

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that I had gotten to the point where I just

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couldn't move from just looking at this thing. All of

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a sudden, it pot goes back behind the skidder, and

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illuminated everything in front of me because at this point,

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like parallel, but like a I don't know what you

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but leaps out from behind that skidder. And the distance

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between the nose of that skidder and where that log

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a small one. So that's what confused me even more.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you think of these things. You think,

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you know, a big creature, you know, you don't. You

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don't expect to see a sall one, you know. So

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it took that lead man and it hit that log.

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mentioned Travis earlier. I remember telling Travis, a good buddy

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of mine too, heck of a guy man, I told him,

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Speaker 4: I told the same thing. I told him.

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Speaker 5: The only way I can describe this was, it propelled

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itself off the front half of its feet, you know

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what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Like, there was no when it hit that skinter with

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its feet, there was no. It didn't.

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Speaker 5: It didn't squat down, It didn't really Maybe you know,

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it swung its arms a little bit, but it didn't

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launch itself with its body, if that makes sense. All

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half of its feet. It just propelled itself off the

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front half of its feet.

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Speaker 4: It was the most bizarre.

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Speaker 3: So it didn't like bend its knees or anything.

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Speaker 5: It just slightly, man, But it just every it seemed

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like all the power of that motion came just from

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it propelling itself off the front out of its feet.

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hard pill to swallow. But you know as well as

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just it's unbelievable. It's until you know, and I tell

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my viewers this, you know, for my shows, you know,

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until you see one and what they can do in person,

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it's it's hard to fathom, you know, it's hard to

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really fathom what they can do. So it propels itself

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off the front half of its feet and there was

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a tree, a standing tree, mind you, Okay, there's a

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standing tree another probably another twelve to fifteen feet away,

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and it propelled itself that distance to that tree, hop

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behind the tree real quick, kind of hit itself for

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a second, stuck its head back out real quick, and

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then it popped right out and it it just it

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gave me the eyes. It stared at me. It was

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looking at me. I was looking at it, and I

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still could not process what I was looking at. My

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first thought was, you know, did someone zape get loose

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or something? You know what I mean, that's the only thing, man,

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it because it and even even when saying that to me, yes,

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in ways, it does resemble an eight but even looking

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just something so bizarre looking and so foreign looking. It

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was just so hard to process.

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Speaker 3: You know, how far away were you from this thing

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when you saw.

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Speaker 5: It, when it took when it by the time it

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got behind that tree and pop back out, I would say, God,

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forty fifty feet the most I mean it was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: Pretty up close and personal, you know, I got I

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got some good detail it was about. It wasn't any

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taller than five feet, like I said it was before

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as the juvenile.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing. The thing weighed about it.

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two hundred pounds.

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Speaker 4: Now, when you're out.

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Speaker 5: There and you're thinking about that, I know a lot

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of people out there are probably thinking, well, that's not

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that heavy. Well five foot or four and a half

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feet solid muscle, two hundred pounds. That's that's put together.

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it could have made quick work for me.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, very good.

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Speaker 5: So at that point I kind of kind of snapped

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out of it a little bit and I started to

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I wouldn't say process it yet, but you know it was.

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Speaker 4: I knew this was something. You know, Am I actually

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looking at one of these things?

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Speaker 5: I did unsling my rifle all right off my shoulder,

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and I want everyone out there to know I am

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not pro kl Okay, I would never harm one of

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these things.

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Speaker 4: And that's you know, it came out of my my life,

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for the life of one of my loved ones.

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Speaker 5: I am not pro kl I had it illuminated, I

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still wanted to see if I could get a better

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look at it out of my scope, because even though

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we were so close, I just I still didn't I

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wasn't I just like I said, I couldn't process and

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Speaker 4: I wanted to get a better look at it, you know.

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Speaker 5: So as soon as I and this is how you know,

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like you hear people say they know what guns are,

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and you know, a lot of people don't believe that,

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but this proved it for me. As soon as I

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as soon as I raised that rifle to put the

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crossstairs on it to take a peek, it hot behind

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nit hop right back behind that tree kind of shielded

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its face up as it went by in the tree

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and it was gone. Man, it took off, and I'm

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telling you, excuse me, I'm telling you why. The speed,

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the escalation and speed from the time it took off.

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It was just incredible, the way the thing moved and

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about I would say, three meters back in the direction

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I came.

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Speaker 4: Okay, on the same side of the road the skidter

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was on. I heard movement in the thicket.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm I've always thought, you know, I thought

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about this ever since that night.

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Speaker 4: Was that Mama?

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Speaker 5: You know that moved, that walked, you know that that

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took off after I always say he I don't know

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if it was a male or female, you know, I

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don't at this point it was it was. It was

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just extremely young. So I'm guessing that Mama wasn't too

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far away.

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Speaker 4: I bet it was Mama.

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Speaker 5: I can I agree with that, And I got him

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pretty much almost guarantee, guarantee, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was Mama because the movement when I walked away,

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you could hear the almost the movement, you know what

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm sure it was Mama.

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Speaker 3: So I now, if you don't mind, you might have

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mentioned it at the beginning of the show. It's it's

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hard for me to to listen to everything. I'm trying

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to catch up on the comments and everything. But when

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did you say that this this? When did this happen?

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And how old were you?

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Speaker 4: That was?

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Speaker 3: It was?

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Speaker 5: It was the year two thousand, year two thousand, okay,

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it was on one of our family properties where my

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wife and I reside.

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Speaker 3: Now, so two thousand, you would have been a young man.

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Speaker 4: I would have been. No, I'm forty. I'm forty one. Now.

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I hate, I hate to admit that.

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Speaker 3: I'm forty one too, brother.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was forty was a tough pill, this fallow,

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but I'm used to it now. But anyway, yeah, I

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was a young guy.

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Speaker 4: I was young.

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Speaker 3: I'm another thing. Seventy nine, baby, me too, man, me too, me.

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I saw a nine months of the seventies. That was it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear that. Yeah, June seventy nine, that's me.

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Speaker 5: But uh yeah, man, it was mama, And yeah it

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was too, that was mama. And yeah, yes it was too.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Two thousand okay, Yeah, so I would have been you know,

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twenty twenty one. I just turned just turned twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was this.

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Speaker 3: Encounter took place in the Adiron Ducks.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, yeah, okay, right after this.

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Speaker 3: What happened? How did your life change after this encounter?

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Did you tell anyone? Were you hesitant to tell anyone?

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And just just tell us what happened? You know in

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your life after this?

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Speaker 5: My life changed completely. It just changed completely. That's what

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it sent me in the direction of that. It set

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me on the question for answers.

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Speaker 4: You know, I needed to know.

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Speaker 5: I needed to know about them, what they were, you know,

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I need I need I needed to know. I needed answers.

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That sets That set me on the track I'm on now,

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you know, with the group and the shows and you know,

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meeting all you awesome people out there and collaborating and

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all this stuff. Man, it just it set me in

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this direction. And I'm not gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was disturbing.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was disturbing. It was it was.

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Speaker 5: It disturbed me a little bit, you know, because it's

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something that your brain I'm big on the whole, you know,

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the psychological aspect of when you lay eyes on one

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of these things, it's always a different scenario, okay, And

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and it does affect you psychologically.

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Speaker 4: You know, some people have.

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Speaker 5: More pleasant encounters than others. You know, my wife, her

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encounter was she was very benign, very pleas. She described

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it as almost uh the words she uses uh like

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they were admiring each other almost, and it was you know,

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that was something on the same teape piece of property.

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Speaker 4: I'm jumping no uh no, answer your guests.

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Speaker 5: No, I am about as far north in the ad

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around I can get so about two and a half

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hours later in north of north of there, nurse. But yeah, man,

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the word she uses for is it is admiration of

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each other. But anyway, I'm I'm jumping ahead of myself.

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But you know, at that point I started to really

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I didn't really get into it heavily, okay, until my

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second encounter. You know, I I poked around for answers,

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and you know, did a little bit of research, you know,

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after the counter in two thousand but two thousand and

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seven was the one that that was that was a

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disturbing encounter and and and at that point I needed

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I needed, I needed.

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Speaker 4: And you know, any you know everything about them, what

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they were, how big they got.

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Speaker 5: So you know, if you want me to get into

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that encounter now, you know, like I said, yeah, same, Well,

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let me I answer your other question real quick.

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Speaker 4: As far as telling people, for I was very hesitant.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely absolutely, And I told my dad mhm.

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Speaker 4: He believed me.

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Speaker 5: Because that dad knew they existed as well, and so

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told Graham she believed me. You know, family, family, My

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family were all know worse, you know, other people that

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I did have confidence in telling that. I felt comfortable telling.

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I just got the you're crazy response, you know, which

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I'm sure you know we've all gotten, you know what

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I mean.

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Speaker 4: Kind of you know.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm at the point, right you know you think

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I don't care, you know, and I'm sure you've reached

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that point as well.

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Speaker 4: We were you know, we know, and that's all that matters,

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you know.

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Speaker 5: So so that I've gotten used to that, you know,

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I'm known as the crazy big foot guy around here

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and hey whatever. So anyway, the friends I did tell

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you I did, I was I was considered crazy. But anyway,

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in two thousand and seven, uh about the about the

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same time of year, man a little earlier, maybe I

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was actually down there and I was doing some work

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on my tree stand, okay, and I did sit for

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a little bit. You know, I did a little bit

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of work, but I was a little loud, so I

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didn't expect to really see any deer anyway, But I said,

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you know what, it's a nice, nice night.

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Speaker 4: I'll sit here for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more, but the big foot for We'll

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be right back.

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Speaker 5: Kind of relaxed and just take take it all out

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of nature, you know. I love you know, as you

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do as we all.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my tree stand sits right over a beautiful spring.

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It's a natural Artisian. You can see that white quick

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stand bubbling all year round. And and I think that's

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that's what That's one of the reasons they're there, is

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that water source. You know, first because it tracks the

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game for one, you know, and you get the game,

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you're gonna get the sasquatches.

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Speaker 4: But the water source alone, I think is one of

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the reasons why there's so much activity. We got it, doubt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, you know, I'm sitting there and and again, man,

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all of a sudden, I get that feeling and the

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way my tree stand was saying.

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Speaker 4: The position it's in, it's on the backside of the pond. Okay,

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So don't really get a good view of the whole pond.

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Speaker 5: There's like a corner front left hand side of it,

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towards the front of it that you really can't see

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when you're in that tree stand, you know. So I

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get out of the tree stand, I'm climbing down and

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I was starting to really get the willies for some reason.

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Speaker 4: And I couldn't put my finger on it.

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Speaker 5: Even though it was the same feeling I had had

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back in two thousand, I put it together, you know

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what I mean, I just didn't come together. So I

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start walking down the trail and the logging road leads

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to the front of that pond. Okay, So that's where

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I was head. And I'm walking down the trail to

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lead me to the logging road, and I see something

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in the water about five feet off shore, okay. And

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at first I thought it was a tree, And I'm

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thinking to myself, that's kind of bizarre. I've never seen

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a tree there before, you know, I don't think one

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grew that correct. What's going on here? Yeah, all of

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a sudden, that tree twists the top half of its

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body and she and it wasn't she.

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Speaker 4: She she just gave me those eyes man.

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Speaker 5: And at that point, and it was about the same distance,

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maybe even a little closer movie thirty five forty feet

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and she was big, she was big to this day,

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and all had this in her right hand. She was

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holding vegetation that she had been eating off. I'm guessing

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she had been eating. Okay, she was holding vegetation in

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her right hand.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: Now when you say vegetation, I mean was it leaves?

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Speaker 4: I mean what was she hoped like strawsh vegetation coming

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off the bank.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: It was that time of year where everything's you know,

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about to die, you know, but it was the longer,

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you know, longer, the longer longer vegetation you see in swamps,

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you know what I mean. She had a clump of

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it in her hand, and you could I was so closer.

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I could actually see remnants remnants of excuse me, around

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her mouth area. That's how close I was. I will

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admit that I lost control of my functions at that point.

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It really it scared the hell out of me, man, scared.

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Speaker 4: It literally, it literally did. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The look and I had again, I had my rifle,

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I had it slung right over my shoulder, and she

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had been looking at me dead, and the eyeballs, okay,

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the whole that, during that whole time, and it was

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almost like the eyes just stole my soul, you know, and.

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Speaker 4: Just staring at me, and I twice giving me goosebump

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just thinking about it.

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Speaker 5: I saw our eyes and they they twit, they flickered

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towards they flickered right towards the barrel of that rifle

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on my shoulder, and they flickered right back at me fast.

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And and I'm gonna say, I gotta get this my buddy,

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like my good buddy and my one of my research

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burners with my co host John Wilson, great guy.

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Speaker 4: I got this expression from him and from the movie

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tomb Stone.

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Speaker 5: The look she gave me was, Okay, go ahead and

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skin that smoke wagon if you want, but you know what,

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You're not gonna be a skin that smoke wagon, you know,

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but you're not.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to you first. And that that was

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that was the look I got from her.

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Speaker 5: And needless to say, I didn't try to skin it,

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you know, Uh did not try to skin that smoke wagon,

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that's for sure. And she, like I said, it was

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a female and it was obvious she did have breasts. Now,

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and I've always said this, I don't think she wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I have two theories on They weren't

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like at They weren't like you see on Patty.

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Speaker 5: You know how Patty's sagged extremely low, right, Yes, okay, yeah,

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they had a sag to him, but they weren't anywhere

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near that.

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Speaker 4: Okay. She may not have bread yet, or she might

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have been younger.

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 5: I've always led more she hadn't bread maybe because she

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was she was big, man, And I can't give you

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an exact size because like I said, she was seeing

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the water, but from where the water line was on her,

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like Shints was if you went, you know, i'd say,

476
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,680
and I'm gonna say to this day, you know, And

477
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:05,759
it's something that it's something I've always said. I think

478
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:09,400
people underestimate to weight these things. I really do, you know,

479
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:14,839
because I don't know, man, she to me. I used

480
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:16,640
to be a fighter and a wrestler, so I'm a

481
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,480
very good judge at weight, you know, judging someone's weight,

482
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:25,359
how heavy somebody is, you know, And for example, you

483
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:25,839
take a.

484
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,759
Speaker 4: Take a full grown male mountain gorilla.

485
00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 5: Okay you're talking, you know, they can hit four hundred pounds,

486
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,599
and she she dwre she would have dwarfed dwarf that

487
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:39,839
I mean, she was all of.

488
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,519
Speaker 4: Six hundred pounds, if not heavier, all all of it.

489
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 5: But the most impressive part about her, you know, Yes,

490
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,559
her shoulders were extremely wide.

491
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,519
Speaker 4: And as I was saying, you know, she couldn't, she didn't.

492
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:56,119
She tried to turn her whole body to look at

493
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,000
me from the hips up. Okay, so she her body

494
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,799
was turned, she was looking at me. The most impressive

495
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,319
part about her wasn't the width of the shoulders. It

496
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:11,240
was the the front to back, the thickness that was

497
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,880
that that was the impressive thing.

498
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,319
Speaker 5: And and that's one thing about the And other people

499
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,039
have different types of encounters where well, where they will

500
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,039
sorry about that, where they will you know, something.

501
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: Will be more noticeable than another.

502
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 5: But with my experiences, man, it's always been that front

503
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,279
to back with is what's impressive to me, you know.

504
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,319
Speaker 3: And one thing I noticed from from the way you

505
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,160
were describing this is something that you hear all the time.

506
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,759
You said, she turned from like the waist like this.

507
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,599
That's just you know, so many people talk about it

508
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,839
seems like they don't have a neck. The head just

509
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,759
sets right on the shoulders, and they don't turn their neck,

510
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,799
you know like we do. They turn their their body.

511
00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:58,839
And you talked about that.

512
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I don't think they I don't think

513
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:02,160
they really can.

514
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 5: And don't get me wrong, I mean, I mean, I

515
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,400
I they're every individual is different, but you know, and

516
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,240
some of them, you know, you through my experiences, you

517
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,079
can see, you know, sometimes you will.

518
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 4: See a little you'll see a little bit of it.

519
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,680
But they I have never seen one turn. It's net

520
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:19,440
you know.

521
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,519
Speaker 5: And and to be honest with you, over the years,

522
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,519
I've done hundreds of interviews, Dan, I I I've never

523
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,759
had someone tell me that that the that they've seem

524
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,680
on turned their head like that, not not one time,

525
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,640
not one time. I mean, it was just unbelievable. And

526
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:42,079
her mouth, the width of her mouth was just unreal. Yeah,

527
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,079
the mouth was closed. The lips for lips for thin.

528
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,160
They weren't big, puffy, thick lips. But this this is

529
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,440
an exaggeration. But at the time, it looked like her

530
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,880
lips for ear to ear to me at that time,

531
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,359
you know, But now that I look back at it

532
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,920
and prob I say, you know, That's just my way

533
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,319
of describing the situation. You know, they they here lives

534
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,200
for They were wide, don't get me wrong. I mean

535
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,839
they weren't exactly EERI a ear, but they were they were.

536
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,960
She had a very wide mouth. Man, I didn't notice

537
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,039
any ears. The head, you know, it was conical, but

538
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,279
it wasn't again, it wasn't a Patty type conical head.

539
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: It was a little more around a little more roundish

540
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,359
than that, you know.

541
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,559
Speaker 3: And again yeah, and you know, I just popped up

542
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,039
here Obert's comment, turning the body is all I've seen.

543
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,160
I've had Albert on a couple of times and I

544
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,440
think he said seven seven encounters, seven visual sightings, and

545
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,000
he says all he's ever seen is in turning the

546
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:46,759
head too. So maybe something man, maybe they maybe that's

547
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:47,359
all they can do.

548
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:48,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

549
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I worked with you know, Will Jenning

550
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,960
and I worked together for years, you know, and I

551
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:54,920
know Will very well.

552
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: Will taught me a lot I work.

553
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 5: You know, we're uh you know, was Will's director of

554
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,799
or did you have any research group for years before

555
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,599
I went out on my own, And uh, you know,

556
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,720
he taught me a lot and I never once you know,

557
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,240
the the the talks we've had about these things, and

558
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,079
that's something he would always throw out there too. He's

559
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,319
he told me several times he had never heard of anyone,

560
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,720
you know, had anyone tell them that they could move

561
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:24,200
them you know, move their neck or their lower body

562
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:28,599
for that matter. You know, you know, that's just all

563
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,880
they can do is twists like that.

564
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. They not They can't move

565
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,400
their neck. They just like that like we can, you know.

566
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: So you know, it's a shame. It's a shame because

567
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:44,599
all we have to go on is during encounters like yours,

568
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,720
like the old Bears, like all these other people that

569
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,519
that say that that they've never seen their their neck move,

570
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,240
that they've moved from the west, from the waist down

571
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:57,079
or waist up. That's how they turn. We're not going

572
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,279
to know for sure about their anatomy until a body

573
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:01,839
is brought in.

574
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:03,759
Speaker 4: That's what I say.

575
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: That's what sus We all of us people were all

576
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:12,960
no kill, the majority of us no kill. My group

577
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:16,799
is a no kill, meaning that I'm never going to

578
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400
set up a mission to go out and kill one

579
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:22,920
to bring it in. I always carry my gun on

580
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,519
my hip when I go out for protection. If I

581
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,440
have to take one down, I will take one down.

582
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,440
But I do not believe anybody can go out in

583
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,960
the woods on a mission to take one out and

584
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,720
bring the body back. I do not expect to get

585
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,680
that body if I have to take one down.

586
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,279
Speaker 5: No, no, And if I exactly wa ain't, I can't

587
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,599
agree with you more. And I believe you know I'm

588
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,160
the same way. I do perry to protect myself, but

589
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,039
I would never try to set something up to try

590
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:55,799
to burn in and bring her one in he goes.

591
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,920
First of all, that's just I don't believe that's right.

592
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,559
Speaker 4: Okay. Second of all, I don't think you're gonna be

593
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:03,240
able to pull it off.

594
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: You know.

595
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: It's it's not the one in front of you you

596
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:07,839
gotta worry about anyway.

597
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 5: It's the two coming from the one coming from this

598
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:12,400
side and the one coming from that side, and the

599
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:13,720
one coming from behind you.

600
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: Brother, That's what I'm saying. You take that one if

601
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,599
you're lucky enough to take that one down in front

602
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,480
of you, If you're lucky enough, the two behind you

603
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:26,519
are going to get you.

604
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:27,799
Speaker 4: They're gonna get you.

605
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: So if I'm ever put in situation and I drop one,

606
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:32,559
I'm running.

607
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you see, I mean it's just luckily luckily.

608
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: I mean, you know when that second encounter again, you know,

609
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,279
like that for the verse, I just frozen, like a

610
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,279
paralyzed if I had wanted to get to move, man,

611
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,359
But before I got to that point, you know, she

612
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:58,640
turned and she was gone. Now you know, after you know,

613
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,720
researching all these years, I have you know, measured out

614
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000
you know the you know, the area where she when

615
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:08,039
she got out of the water.

616
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,119
Speaker 4: Okay, she took three leaps. Once she got out of

617
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:12,440
the water.

618
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:16,319
Speaker 5: She hopped out, hit the bank, took a leap, and

619
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,240
then took two more and she covered about sixty feet,

620
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,960
so you're talking twenty feet.

621
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

622
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:26,039
Speaker 4: And here's another thing regarding the weight.

623
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 5: She was so heavy when she You know, when you

624
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:31,880
gotta when you've got a boot on and you gotta

625
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,880
stuck in the mud and you pull it out real hard,

626
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,400
and you hear a.

627
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 4: Pop, you know what I mean, You hear that suction

628
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:38,839
suction sound.

629
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, when she she ripped her feet out of that mud,

630
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,839
you you could hear it, you know, even though it

631
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,759
was in the water, even though she was in the water,

632
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,240
you could still hear that weight coming out. Wow, you

633
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,200
know she was gone, man, you know and and I

634
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:55,400
do you know?

635
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to crime that excuse. I'm not

636
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,200
gonna climb on this roomhole tonight.

637
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:05,519
Speaker 5: But I will say I do believe there are certain

638
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,079
individuals out there that may have one.

639
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,119
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, this is uh, this is dude here from

640
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:19,039
World big Foot Radio. What's up, dude. He makes a

641
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:20,840
very good comment here, if you had a body of

642
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,480
the government would just would show up and take it

643
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:24,800
anyway that's happened.

644
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I already know.

645
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 5: I know of a case of but I can't really

646
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,760
get into it deep uh tonight for a couple of reasons.

647
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,039
I'll get with you later on that. But maybe sometimes

648
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:39,960
in the future we talk about it with the viewers.

649
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,840
But there were that happened in an area up there.

650
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,599
Speaker 4: Oh they were.

651
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,679
Speaker 3: They came and Grid, you got my interest paid now?

652
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 5: And when I yeah, and like I said, like I said,

653
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,159
I'll get with you later on and I'll explain to you,

654
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,719
and I think you'll understand why.

655
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,559
Speaker 4: And I didn't say anything now, but and only took

656
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:02,920
it took a day then to get there.

657
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 5: It was from what I understand, there was two gentlemen

658
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,679
dressed in uniforms and one dressed more like maybe a scientist,

659
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,960
and they hall.

660
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what they were driving? Do you do?

661
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:17,920
You know that?

662
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,639
Speaker 4: But they were they they came in a like a

663
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,199
utility utility.

664
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: Van, a band okay okay, and I came prepared to

665
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,320
take it.

666
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,079
Speaker 4: They came prepared to take it. It was like a

667
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,320
U haul truck almost from what I from what I

668
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,840
understand now, that is what I got. Understand. This is

669
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,880
like hand knowledge. This is something I was told myself.

670
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,519
Speaker 5: Some that someone told me, but someone very credible that

671
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,159
I know very well, that was there it saw it,

672
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,400
saw this event take place.

673
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,559
Speaker 3: What chinde of subject? Now, you made it clear you

674
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,079
didn't talk about it right now, so right, okay? So

675
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,440
something else I didn't want to ask you because we've

676
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,960
talked about two sidings. Now that you've had yea, what

677
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,360
kind of a view did you get of the face

678
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,639
on both of them? And were there similarities to them,

679
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:17,239
one being one that you think was an adolescent juvenile

680
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,039
and the other one being a full grown female. Were

681
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,840
there similarities and talk about the facial features? Please?

682
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 5: Yes, there were similarities. Yeah, the different zilling difference really being.

683
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,559
Speaker 4: Was one was a juvenile and was an adult.

684
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 5: You know, they looked they were kind of kind of similar,

685
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,639
you know her Oh, let me mentioned, I'm gonna tell

686
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:43,239
you something that I don't know if you've ever heard

687
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,480
anyone say this before, but she did something very interesting

688
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,920
in her eyes. And a lot of people have from

689
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,360
bs at me through this over the years, but I

690
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,960
know what I saw. Ever seen a shark when it

691
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,920
bites in the prey and that shield comes up over

692
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,239
its eyes. Yeah, Like it was like that man, And

693
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,280
it was like a flicker she did like like maybe

694
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,199
like a uh, some type of a membrane or something.

695
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,639
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if she thought sorry

696
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,239
about that man. I don't know if she thought I

697
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,039
was gonna do shoot her or I don't know why

698
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:18,599
she did it.

699
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 5: But it was like something some sort of membrane on

700
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,760
the bottom of the eye and it went up, not

701
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:25,760
it went.

702
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 4: From the bottom up, not from the bottom, not from

703
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,400
the top to the bottom.

704
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: And so she's like a second set of onlids kind of.

705
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 4: Or kind of kind of. There was only one.

706
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 5: There wasn't two that came together. It was just one

707
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,800
that came up. She flickered him a couple of times.

708
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:48,039
That was it, and it was they were almost transparent,

709
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:52,519
but not one where I couldn't see that she was

710
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:56,679
moving something I can't. I can't explain it. It's just

711
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,280
something I can't explain. But I I just I thought

712
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,440
i'd throw that out. They're at you man, you know

713
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:04,039
I don't. I've had one of the I interviewed one

714
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,159
other guy years back that said he saw that happen,

715
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,840
and yeah, it was extremely bizarre, extremely bizarre. I mean,

716
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,280
it's just very weird as far and again, okay, as

717
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,800
far as similarities, yeah, very very similar. Both like an

718
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,320
auburnish brown type color from what I noticed from you know,

719
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,880
from my perspective, like a like an auburnish brown color. Uh,

720
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:33,400
she was a little more auburn and the younger one

721
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,840
is a little more darker brown, but again still very similar,

722
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,000
very similar color, extremely long arms.

723
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 4: Facial features.

724
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: You know.

725
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,159
Speaker 5: Her eyes were just I know, and that's another thing

726
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,440
people describe seeing different types of eyes shapes.

727
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,079
Speaker 4: You know, these were just big round eyes, just solid black.

728
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 5: I saw no whites, uh, just just just black black

729
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,280
women in the asis page man, just glaring and you

730
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,719
hear a lot about.

731
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,679
Speaker 4: Right, I'm reading what you're you're saying.

732
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 5: Second near a memory and yeah that and that's that's

733
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,599
the only way I can put to that would be memory.

734
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,760
It's perfect, that fits perfect actually, but uh anyway, yes, yeah, yeah,

735
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,679
it's perfect, perfect way to put it. But the people

736
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,639
describe a matted type hair and I'll say hair because

737
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,559
it's not for its hair, and there's no doubt about.

738
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: That in my mind.

739
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, people described the Maddy nasty, disgusting looking

740
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,360
hair or you know, I didn't see that. I don't

741
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,960
know if it was because maybe for all we know,

742
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,360
I mean, let's let's admit that as researchers, okay, right now,

743
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,880
we really don't know didly.

744
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 4: We don't.

745
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more, but that they put herford, we'll

746
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,480
be right back.

747
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: You know, we really don't. I mean we do, but

748
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,800
we don't. You know, we don't really know a lot.

749
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:14,960
And for all we know, they could.

750
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:20,079
Speaker 5: Have a in the northern part of you know, the country,

751
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,599
North America and the colder climates.

752
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,079
Speaker 4: They may have a winter coach.

753
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,639
Speaker 5: That comes in who knows, but and that could be

754
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,960
why it looks so clean to me and for all

755
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:33,880
we know, they grew each other. I've heard people say

756
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,360
that they witness that. I personally have never witnessed it,

757
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,119
but I have had witnesses tell me they've seen it,

758
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,119
you know.

759
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's on both of them. Actually, and my

760
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,880
wife would tell you the same thing if she was here.

761
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:48,679
You know.

762
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 5: That's one thing that she noticed too about the big

763
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,599
boy that she saw was very very clean looking.

764
00:40:56,519 --> 00:41:03,119
Speaker 4: Not one not Maine you looking just very clean, very Yeah, and.

765
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: We were to have supposed to have your watch Dicey

766
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,639
on with you tonight. Yeah, but she's a little ill

767
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,840
under the way. I want to say that the Stacey,

768
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,320
I'm sure you're watching. Hope you get your feeling better

769
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,480
and maybe next time you can come home with us.

770
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:22,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, she extended her apologies. Man, she felt bad and

771
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,639
break an interesting topic. If you want me to touch

772
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,320
on it real quick. You're actually the the day she

773
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,920
got sick. We had been out the night before, and

774
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,559
Traves will tell you straight up, I had some audio

775
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:41,159
that I got I had had all my equipment was

776
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:44,320
stolen a few years back, so I'm I've been in

777
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,840
the process of replacing thousands of dollars over the last

778
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,440
couple of years, you know. So anyway, you just we

779
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,440
picked up a new RECRS the other night, and I

780
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,039
prefer the old school, you know, the tapes you totally

781
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:58,639
the cassette and and you hit play your hate record.

782
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: I think that's the wa go. I really do.

783
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I bought the wrong size, so I had to

784
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,039
use the old app on the phone to try to

785
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,679
get this audio. And anyone that's ever done a show

786
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,480
with me, any of my co hosts, they'll tell you

787
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,480
that Jeremiah is not the most tech savvy gentleman in

788
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:23,199
the world. So, uh, I called Travis up and told him.

789
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:24,840
I said, man, I'm having a heck of a time

790
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,119
getting this audio up over the page. He's like, well,

791
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,679
let me give it a shot. So he he was

792
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,559
trying to do it too. But something I'm not doing.

793
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,679
Speaker 4: Right, but I'd like to get it up on it.

794
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,119
Speaker 5: I someone and uh remember in my group said, you know, Jeremiah,

795
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,440
you know, I don't know if you're big on the

796
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,559
infrasound thing, but if you are, you think there's you

797
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:49,199
could have gotten zapped, you know, hit with it, and

798
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,599
you know, made your little uh sex sickly and me

799
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,679
personally when I do believe they can do it, just

800
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,280
my belief Ever, you know, people like don't believe in that.

801
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,599
I respect that everyone's entiled to their own beliefs, but

802
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,440
from my own experiences, I truly believe they can do it.

803
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,079
Speaker 3: So you believed she might have got hit other or not,

804
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:11,840
I don't know.

805
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 5: I I think it could be a possibility. Sure, And

806
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,719
my wife is a you know, she's she's a sensitive.

807
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,000
My wife is she's actually you know her and armal

808
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:28,440
investigator by trade. But you know we we co investigate

809
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,679
now together, we've cross fields and that we even each

810
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,039
other out, you know what I mean. So I'm thinking maybe,

811
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,760
you know, with her being a sensitive and all, you know,

812
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,199
it could have left her more susceptible.

813
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 4: To it if that's what did happen. So I don't know.

814
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,920
I just wanted to throw that out there. But she's, uh,

815
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,400
you know, she's starting to feel better.

816
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, but she's she thought she looked like death's so

817
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,119
she said to my am, sorry, she's liked go flee

818
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,360
and get on with the next day.

819
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,599
Speaker 3: No worries. Uh, I can already take We're gonna have

820
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,079
you guys back because we've been on here for going

821
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,400
on an hour and we haven't even really brushed the surface.

822
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,079
I have the feeling of some of the stuff you

823
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,840
guys have seen. So but Karen, Karen had a good

824
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,840
question here. Do you think that secondary membrane has anything

825
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,960
to do with the different colored glowing eyes some people

826
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:21,920
have seen. Thank you, Karen. That's that's a good question.

827
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 6: I think.

828
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: I think it's a definitely possibility.

829
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:29,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the biggest arguments in the Bigfoot

830
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,519
community right now as people arguing about the eyes. Is

831
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:37,559
it reflection or do they self eliminate somehow. I personally

832
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:41,960
believe it's reflection, But I've never seen one in the daytime.

833
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
I've had one siding in my life and it was

834
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,519
about six months ago and it was through.

835
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,639
Speaker 4: Thermal that was it.

836
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: So well, I can't say, yeah.

837
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:56,519
Speaker 5: See, you know, for years, you know, I was a

838
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,719
big I was big on the reflection thing, that they

839
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,440
need a light source, you know, for the eyes to

840
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:07,159
light up, you know, give you a reflection. Back when

841
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,480
we were in North Carolina, we had a great spot,

842
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:16,840
an excellent, excellent area. I saw something I can't explain

843
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,519
that contradicted that theory.

844
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I.

845
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:27,159
Speaker 5: Don't I don't know, man, I it might have been

846
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,920
getting a light from somewhere, you know, from Uh, there

847
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,960
wasn't really any moonlight we were in that we were dark,

848
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:37,519
completely dark. But that's one of my one one of

849
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:41,119
my techniques that we use. I like, I believe if

850
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:44,079
you're they know you're If they're in the area and

851
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,360
you walk in, they know you're there. The second year

852
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,079
you walk in the area, they know you're there.

853
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:48,679
Speaker 4: First of all.

854
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 5: You know, we're sitting there and we heard them walk out,

855
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,880
you know, from the bayou, and you can hear them.

856
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,639
And one of them's in the water and in front

857
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:02,079
of me, and and you're another one of my right

858
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,519
and the water, another one to the left dragging its

859
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:06,519
feet through the water. And you could see hear some

860
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,199
on land. So they were a bunch of them were

861
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,360
coming in. And uh, they their eyes lit up.

862
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 4: Man. And And like as I said, I was big.

863
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 5: For years on the fact that, yeah, they need a

864
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,880
light source to illuminate their eyes.

865
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,039
Speaker 4: But I don't know, man, Like I said, there could have.

866
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:30,559
Speaker 5: Been that small little amount of light they need to

867
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:33,159
do that coming from somewhere, But I didn't see it.

868
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,800
You know, it wasn't coming to me.

869
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,679
Speaker 3: You did experience lighted up oz and you you don't

870
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,679
know any way of light hitting them?

871
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 4: No, I mean, there's no way.

872
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 5: And I've been in denial about it, to be honest

873
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,880
with you, because I was such a big believer that

874
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,280
you needed something to have, you know, some sort of

875
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,039
light in their eyes to give you a reflection back.

876
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,880
But man, I can't deny what I saw, you know,

877
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,039
And they were coming back different colors, you know. One

878
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,960
came back red, one came back a maroon, and one

879
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,599
lit up. Two of them lit up blue, like a

880
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,800
fluorescent blue. I mean, it was just it just blows

881
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:25,039
my mind, you know. I don't know that's it's a

882
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:29,639
very strong possibility that that maybe there's a membrane, you know,

883
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,000
I have.

884
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 4: I've had other fellow researchers.

885
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,039
Speaker 5: Tell me other things that they've heard from certain individuals,

886
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,719
if you want to put it that way, that they

887
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,960
can do that and why. But it's it's really not

888
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:48,480
my place to go into that, but I have heard

889
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:53,400
other people say it, So I really don't know when.

890
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:56,480
I wish I could give you an answer on that one, man,

891
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:59,360
but I can't. But I just I know what I saw,

892
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,840
you know, yeah, and I like with me, you know,

893
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,280
so I don't know. They might need just the smallest

894
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,880
amount of light, and they might have been getting it

895
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,880
from somewhere, but I didn't see it and it wasn't

896
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,480
coming from.

897
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,079
Speaker 3: Me, Just like I said earlier about we don't know

898
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,519
if they can turn their head or not. We won't

899
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:21,320
know until we have a specimen, you know, And and

900
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,000
that suff I hate that there's no way that we're

901
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:27,280
ever going to be able to study one alive. That

902
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,360
that's not going to happen. So the best, the best

903
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:33,760
tool that we have right now to learn about these

904
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,440
things is from people like you, people doing shows like this,

905
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:42,760
talking to people that have witnessed them, that has seen

906
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,119
them before and can share their behavior and talk about

907
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,880
their behavior. Like the the membrane thing with the eyes

908
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,639
that you You've started all kind of a conversation over here.

909
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:55,719
I don't know if you can see it. The people

910
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,559
have been talking about it, and that was new to me,

911
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,440
but some of these other people have talked about that

912
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:05,199
they've heard it and they're comparing it to other animals.

913
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,039
So what we're doing is really important, and it's all

914
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:13,639
that we have right now because we don't believe.

915
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,079
Speaker 5: It's very Yeah, I believe it's very important, and I

916
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:19,119
believe it's very important for guys, you know, for all

917
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,159
of us in this community, you know, especially guys like me,

918
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,320
you and I that do host shows, that we all

919
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:31,159
work together, because, you know, bickering one another over theories

920
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,159
and who's right and who's wrong, that's not getting anybody anywhere,

921
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,000
you know.

922
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:38,599
Speaker 4: So I think the more we all work together, that

923
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,639
it's just the better off we're all going to be.

924
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly all this bitterness and competition in the field

925
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:50,679
that I want to it all comes from egos. It's

926
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,239
everybody wants to be the first one to prove that

927
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,599
this thing is real. Instead of everyone working together too

928
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,519
and share in information and all getting it recognized together,

929
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,960
other people just they want to be the first one.

930
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:07,239
I guess they think that there's gonna be some kind

931
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,360
of rich you know, money and fame and all this

932
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,559
stuff that comes from it. I mean, I'm not making

933
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:16,360
any money. Are you making money? No?

934
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:18,199
Speaker 4: Man? And that's what I always say to people. You

935
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,519
think you're gonna get rich doing this, You're you're not.

936
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: No so much money doing this, man, It's ridiculous.

937
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,639
Speaker 4: You you and me both, man, a lot a lot

938
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,599
of money. But you know, I enjoy it. I you know,

939
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:35,679
I know I can. I know you do too. And uh,

940
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,960
it's a passion. You got to have a passion. Yep,

941
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,079
you got to have a passion for it to do.

942
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: It gets in your blood, gets in your blood, and

943
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,719
you just you don't you can't stop it. Man, I

944
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,320
enjoy it. You know, I've met so many cool people

945
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,400
like you, uh, just really really cool people that I

946
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,360
would have never met, I would never talk to in

947
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,320
my life if it hadn't been for this. Off it.

948
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:06,559
Speaker 4: Absolutely get out of it. Yep, absolutely, I to I

949
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:07,599
can't agree with you more.

950
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,679
Speaker 5: You know, you meet a lot of great I met

951
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,400
so many great people doing this, and you know it's

952
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:15,960
been a phenomenal experience.

953
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, do you have a little short encounter that

954
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,480
maybe we could talk about for a few more minutes

955
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:25,519
or do you need to run?

956
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 4: No, I don't go anywhere. Man. I can tell you.

957
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,599
Speaker 5: I can tell you what my wife told me about hers,

958
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:33,599
and I can tell you about one we had together.

959
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about the one that you guys had together.

960
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:40,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think she may be a little bit

961
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:42,000
upset if I spilled the beans on hers, I think

962
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,400
he'd probably want to tell you about that.

963
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:48,679
Speaker 4: But it is, it is a pretty cool encounter. We're uh,

964
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,719
we were this.

965
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,639
Speaker 5: This was back in two thousand and the summer God

966
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,000
twenty sixteen, summer twenty sixteen.

967
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 4: I guess I apologize.

968
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 5: I have a brain injury from pickboxing, so it's kind

969
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,400
of sometimes it's hard for me to remember.

970
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 4: Dates. We were living off the grade down there.

971
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 5: We were living in a camper, and we were you know,

972
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,039
we were in the process of building our cabin, and

973
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:17,719
we were just going.

974
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 4: We were walking one day and she, uh, she stopped.

975
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:24,360
I said, what are you doing?

976
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 5: She goes, look right there to my left. So I

977
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,760
kind of turned and she's kind of caught to it.

978
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,079
Like this, looking in the same direction. There's a stump, okay,

979
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,800
a pretty good good sized stump where a tree had fallen.

980
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,119
Now that I think about it, maybe something pushed it over,

981
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:45,639
but it was a it was a good sized stump.

982
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,519
And and again there's a little one and it's doing

983
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:54,280
a little peekaboo thing with this back and forth, back

984
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,639
and forth playing. And that's the way, that's the only

985
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,360
way I can describe it. As it was playing a

986
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,039
little game of peace, you know, with us, and this one,

987
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,480
this one was small. It was smaller it would have been,

988
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:13,000
you know, I'd say, granted I we were, we were

989
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,719
probably sixty seventy feet away, so I can't And plus

990
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,599
I wouldn't be able to give you a height on

991
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,559
this one anyway from the position it was behind that

992
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:23,639
stump said.

993
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,559
Speaker 3: North Carolina or up in the Aronda.

994
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 5: Oh this is this is this was up here before

995
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,719
we moved down there. And uh so, you know, it

996
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,320
was small, and it was skinnier than that first juvenile.

997
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,880
It was skinnier, and the facial features are a little

998
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,960
bit different. This was a little more a little more

999
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:47,639
eight plucking than the other two. Okay, a little more

1000
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,920
eight booking, a little more like looking. If if you will, you.

1001
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: Know were the other two, would you say they were

1002
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,239
more human human?

1003
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,199
Speaker 4: Luck, No, not at all.

1004
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 5: I find anything human about them, to be honest with you.

1005
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:07,360
Just a different look, not not an eight not a human,

1006
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,880
just something in its own.

1007
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 4: Too, I can put it. I know a lot of

1008
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,840
people described.

1009
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,079
Speaker 5: Seeing human looking, and I do believe there's different types,

1010
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,199
you know, I know different types in my own and

1011
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,440
just in my area, you know, and I believe within

1012
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,480
the main types. I believe there's probably subspecies within the

1013
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,960
main types as well. So I really don't know how

1014
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,079
many there are, you know, how many different types of

1015
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:37,960
these things there are?

1016
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,599
Speaker 4: You know, in my you know, people I could be wrong.

1017
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 3: I hear people talking about there's four types. You saw

1018
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,360
a top one, or you saw top two or top

1019
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,599
three or top four, And I just I don't understand

1020
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:59,320
how they come to that conclusion. I mean, researcher, right put.

1021
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,280
Researcher is a title that we choose to give ourselves.

1022
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:04,639
You know, I didn't go to school for.

1023
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:05,639
Speaker 4: This, agreed.

1024
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,679
Speaker 3: I don't think that that you have a PhD in

1025
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,960
big foot studies, do you? Yeah?

1026
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: I mean so no, I like, but I don't.

1027
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that they're offered, you know. That's

1028
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,960
my point. You can't get a doctorate in sasqua.

1029
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1030
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, even let's say, for example, yeah, even if you

1031
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:33,679
got an anthropology, I still don't think that qualifies you. Yeah,

1032
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,519
they say there's a different you know, It's just that's

1033
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,159
just my opinion, you know what I'm saying.

1034
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: So, yeah, and I agree with that. I agree with

1035
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,320
that just because you have a PhD. Anthropology doesn't mean

1036
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,960
that you're a big foot expert. You're not an expert

1037
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,679
on a subject that that hasn't been proven one hundred

1038
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,559
percent to exist. I'm sorry. There are no big foot experts,

1039
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:54,960
so there's just.

1040
00:55:55,039 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 4: Not there are somebody say nope.

1041
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: That that you saw top two or you saw a

1042
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,639
top four. I mean, maybe somebody can answer.

1043
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:13,199
Speaker 5: The question to give it that I don't understand, right, Yeah, yeah, right,

1044
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,119
I see what you're saying, to give it, to give

1045
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:16,760
it that label as a type line type.

1046
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I don't think

1047
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,639
you know, it's.

1048
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 5: Qualifies you to give that, to be able to give

1049
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,559
it that label, you know, it's just yeah, maybe you

1050
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:30,800
know that's just my personal, you know opinion that I

1051
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,239
think there are types different ones out there, but I

1052
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,280
I don't think I have the I don't have the

1053
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,920
credentials to label them what type they are, you.

1054
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,519
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. Yeah, oh yeah, it's an opinion

1055
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:47,800
I hold in my own, and I agree.

1056
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: I agree with that opinion. I definitely agree that there

1057
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,800
are separate different tops. I mean, there's different types of humans,

1058
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:58,719
you know, we have different races. Sure, sure, So who's

1059
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,920
to saying that there's no different races of these things?

1060
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,400
You know, we don't know. But my point was, got

1061
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,199
these people that say, well, you ran into a top two,

1062
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:11,800
don't you don't want to run into a top four

1063
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,559
or watch out for the top ones? And I don't know,

1064
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,079
how do you know that? That's my question. I just

1065
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:21,159
don't understand. Maybe maybe somebody out there can tell me.

1066
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:24,480
And I mean, I'm not being ugly. I'm not being

1067
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:26,960
ugly to people that say that. I'm just saying that

1068
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:27,960
I don't understand it.

1069
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see. And that's another thing that I've changed

1070
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,360
my views over the years on as well as the

1071
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,119
you know, the the labeling of different types.

1072
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm at the point now where I'm not afraid

1073
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:44,440
to do. Man.

1074
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:48,239
Speaker 5: I don't have the qualifications to label something a type

1075
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,119
one or a think two or you know what I mean.

1076
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:55,400
I don't have those qualifications, you know, So I just

1077
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:59,639
don't Again, I definitely believe that there are different tops.

1078
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: I just I don't know how people can tell what

1079
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,079
what what tops or what?

1080
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:05,559
Speaker 5: You know.

1081
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,679
Speaker 3: I probably need them to make myself feel clear on that.

1082
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,880
I don't want to take anybody all but I understand.

1083
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,559
Speaker 4: I get you. I understand what you're saying. I but

1084
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,719
you know, like you you said too, you know, I

1085
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,159
do think you you can tell. I think you can

1086
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,679
tell and something's a different species. But yeah, you know,

1087
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,760
how can you label it? You know, you know what

1088
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,880
I mean, I don't know it. Not all gorillas look the.

1089
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: Same, exactly, exactly.

1090
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know Mountain gorilla from the Lowland gorilla. You're

1091
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,559
gonna look, there's gonna be a difference, you know. But yeah,

1092
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:44,840
you know, I just I don't have the I'm not,

1093
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:46,840
like you said, I'm not an expert either.

1094
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,559
Speaker 4: So that's that's all I can say say about that.

1095
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:56,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well this is on the Trail Scripted Paranormal Research group.

1096
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,840
That is, you run the group with your wife Stacey

1097
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,480
that you guys handled this right.

1098
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:10,119
Speaker 4: Uh actually, uh yeah, well I I was I founded.

1099
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,480
Stacy has a run two groups.

1100
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 5: Actually, she runs a group called I started on the

1101
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:23,679
Trail with and she has a group called, uh Secret

1102
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,000
Society of Paranormal and Encrypted Research.

1103
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,039
Speaker 4: So we run those two. We work very closely with

1104
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:29,880
other groups, you.

1105
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,039
Speaker 5: Know, you know Minnesota and those guys, uh you know,

1106
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:38,559
uh Mason Dixon, chain Lea and them.

1107
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 4: You know, I enjoy it. That got you now, I

1108
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,519
enjoy you, which I think it's great that we all.

1109
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,679
I think it's better. The more we all work together,

1110
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:48,480
the better, you.

1111
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:54,119
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, And we we have a mutual friend, Travis Bowen.

1112
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 4: Great guy.

1113
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:04,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's the Virginia he's our lead investigator out

1114
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,639
in Virginia. A ruddy. I think you're starting to uh,

1115
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,639
I think your your service is starting to lag a

1116
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:12,639
little bit. Can you hear me?

1117
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:17,519
Speaker 4: Okay, I can hear I can hear you. Yeah, Like

1118
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:19,320
I said, if I had a few on we might

1119
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,280
run into this problem.

1120
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,559
Speaker 5: We're extremely close to Canada where I am right now.

1121
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: So okay, all right, well we we've gone almost ten

1122
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,039
minutes over an hour, so it's time to get off

1123
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,800
here anyway. But uh, I do want to set up

1124
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,800
a time for maybe you and and your wife Stacey

1125
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,400
to come back, you know, here here soon if y'all

1126
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,480
don't mind, because I got a feeling you've got a

1127
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:42,400
lot more to talk about.

1128
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 4: That would be a pleasure. Yeah, I can.

1129
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 3: Well, it was great to have you, buddy, uh and

1130
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,039
I will I'll be happy to do your show and

1131
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,000
you and I will talk in the next day or

1132
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,320
so to get a get a part two lined up

1133
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,000
with you and you and your your wife Stacy.

1134
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 4: Sounds good, Wayne.

1135
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 3: Honor. I bet you have a good night.

1136
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 4: Okay, you have a good night. Man.

1137
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,480
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1138
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:20,800
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1156
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Speaker 6: Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at

1157
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:43,800
end of day. Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze, Secrets

1158
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:54,159
kept by an shoot, trees, dog man, houseping echoes in

1159
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,199
the silent two.

1160
01:02:58,039 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 4: Tracks.

1161
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:04,159
Speaker 6: We five, but answers none. A hunt for truth that's

1162
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:20,840
just the gone. We're searching past the fire light. Four

1163
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,360
creatures hidden out of sight in the forest heart, where

1164
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:39,039
shadows lay seeking see chrits in the twilight. Through the fog,

1165
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:47,719
A shape did glye, skin walker, I s whi legends

1166
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:53,599
of Oh we chase to night in the dark. Our

1167
01:03:53,800 --> 01:04:03,679
lanterns bright by the creek, quil water spill whispers rye,

1168
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:09,719
the windsow chill, full of steep band tails on top

1169
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:26,159
in this land the myths of old. We're searching past

1170
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:34,039
the fire light. Full creature's hidden out of sight in

1171
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:40,239
the forest heart, where shadows lay seeking sea chrits in

1172
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,960
the twilight break