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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've we talked with them last month, Shannon, you

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<v Speaker 1>were out so you didn't get the opportunity. But LAPD

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<v Speaker 1>chief Jim McDonald has joined joined us. Chief, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>taking time for us once again.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, Thank you both for having me on.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just thinking about you. Well, it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about you. Was a couple of years ago when

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<v Speaker 3>I finally got to Fenway and beautiful, Oh my gosh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm standing outside and it's all the things. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>all the build up of thinking of going to Fenway,

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<v Speaker 3>it all pays off, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just a romantic thing in your head. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm standing outside there and I just get chills,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just like, and then I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>like you you grew up right around.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Yeah, right down the street. Yeah. It's a special

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<v Speaker 2>place I think in American history. Really.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's fantastic. I would go if I haven't been here.

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<v Speaker 3>Is your endorsement to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Chief.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, you guys released the end of your crime

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<v Speaker 1>report for twenty twenty four. Let's go over some of

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<v Speaker 1>those those numbers. What were the highlights for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think the big the big ones had struck

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<v Speaker 2>me or the reduction in homicides were down fourteen percent

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<v Speaker 2>from the year before, and that is that's a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one that everybody counts very accurately. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think as a measure of success, certainly we looked to

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<v Speaker 2>that one for twenty twenty four. Then we built on

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<v Speaker 2>that in the first quarter of this year. We're down

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<v Speaker 2>an additional forty percent for twenty twenty four. The victim

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<v Speaker 2>shot a number of people shot was down nineteen percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Rapes decreased by almost one hundred during the year. Robberies

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<v Speaker 2>saw a slight decline and then a large decline in

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<v Speaker 2>aggravated assaults from over twenty thousand down to seventeen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and six. And so all in all, look at our

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<v Speaker 2>numbers across the board, twenty twenty four was a good

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<v Speaker 2>year for Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember a press conference of five hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>You were an assistant chief at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill Bratton was there, and you guys, the focus was

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<v Speaker 3>talking about community policing and you know, the broken windows theory,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know you're a big community policing guy. And

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<v Speaker 3>now that you're back at the Helm of the LAPD.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see room for more of that? Is that

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<v Speaker 3>one of the items on your agenda is to really

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<v Speaker 3>I mean post pandemic, post protest life.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this something that could.

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<v Speaker 3>Really create great strides in Los Angeles right now in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely. I think it's we're looking at community policing

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<v Speaker 2>as more of a philosophy how we do business, looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the root causes rather than just the symptoms or incidents.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a focus that we have taken them will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to take. I look at, you know, the areas that

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<v Speaker 2>are covered by our folks who work the Community Safety

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<v Speaker 2>Partnership Bureau, where they focused community policing efforts and strategies

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<v Speaker 2>on particular places. Homicides fell by forty percent in those

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<v Speaker 2>areas twenty twenty four. And so when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the success of engaging with the community, nobody knows a

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<v Speaker 2>particular neighborhood better than the people who live there. So

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<v Speaker 2>if we can make them part of the public safety

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<v Speaker 2>equation and partner with them, we get tremendous results. So

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<v Speaker 2>the effort will be to continue that and take it

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<v Speaker 2>to a new level.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the criticisms from people who watch crime numbers

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<v Speaker 1>like this, is that the definitions of crime have changed

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, and that can alter what appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be a drop or an increase in a specific crime.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you account for that? How do you make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the numbers are as accurate as you can

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<v Speaker 1>possibly make them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we do the best we can to try and

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<v Speaker 2>be able to compare Apple Staples and have. This year

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<v Speaker 2>has been a modification in that because the whole nation

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<v Speaker 2>has transferred or in the process of transferring, from the

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<v Speaker 2>Uniform Crime Reporting System, which is the one we've used

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<v Speaker 2>for well over a years to now the National Incident

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<v Speaker 2>Based Reporting System or NIGHBORS. That fundamentally changes the way

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<v Speaker 2>crime data is collected and analyzed. But while it's more

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<v Speaker 2>labor intensive and takes more people to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do the input on the front end, it captures a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more data, so it gives us the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>do a greater level of analysis and to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to identify patterns and trends and clusters of crime. So

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<v Speaker 2>all in all, it'll be worth the transition down the road,

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<v Speaker 2>but for this year, comparing it year to year data

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<v Speaker 2>will be difficult. It happened the transition took place in

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<v Speaker 2>May of last year, and so in May of this year,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll start at a point where we can compare year

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<v Speaker 2>to year moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking to LAPD chief Jim McDonell, and you're a

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<v Speaker 3>Long Beach guy, if memory serves. I was just in

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<v Speaker 3>Long Beach last week, spend some time there, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was talking to our friend and she was talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the e buy and I know, Orange County's got some

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<v Speaker 3>things in the works in terms of kind of just

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<v Speaker 3>getting a handle on the proliferation of these things. And

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<v Speaker 3>she was saying that she was walking around Long Beach

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<v Speaker 3>and there was all these kids on the e bikes,

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<v Speaker 3>and what can be kind of done in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>getting a handle on that. I guess for lack of

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<v Speaker 3>a better because there's no you can't pass any laws

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<v Speaker 3>against them or anything like that, but they certainly seem

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<v Speaker 3>to be kind of a nuisance at least in some

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<v Speaker 3>parts of LA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know, like anything good, there will be some

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<v Speaker 2>people who abuse it and use it for other purposes

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<v Speaker 2>and become either a nuisance or worse. In the case

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<v Speaker 2>of e bikes, much like any of our traffic issues

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<v Speaker 2>that we deal with, we try and do education to

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<v Speaker 2>educate the community about the dangers of using certain methods

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<v Speaker 2>to get around of how they can better protect their

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<v Speaker 2>own safety and the safety of the public. And then

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<v Speaker 2>usually we would look at engineering, where are these being

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to be operated, how do we operate them? And

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<v Speaker 2>again going back to the first part, letting people know

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<v Speaker 2>what the dangers of them are. And then enforcement. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're operating this vehicle or any other vehicle in

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<v Speaker 2>an unsafe manner, we can take enforcement action. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's hopefully a last resort, but those are the

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<v Speaker 2>way we deal with these type of problems. Education in

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<v Speaker 2>the schools as well. Social media also may have an impact.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about LAPD Chief Jim McDonald. Jim, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have an opportunity, Chief, can you stick around for another segment?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Sure, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. We got a couple more questions. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into technology also.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also want to ask him the Jeopardy question

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<v Speaker 3>of the day because it's about Ireland and I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like he's going to know it better than you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Right more with LAPD Chief McDonald when we come back.

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<v Speaker 3>We are talking to LAPD Chief Jim McDonald, who I

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<v Speaker 3>think was everybody's pick everybody's favorite to lead the department

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<v Speaker 3>where he spent so much much time. You spent time

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<v Speaker 3>really everywhere Long Beach, l a p D. Sheriff's Department,

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<v Speaker 3>and he is back at the helm of the l

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<v Speaker 3>a p D and has found it in his hard

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<v Speaker 3>to spend some time with us.

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<v Speaker 2>How about them Dodgers, Chief, They're doing great, maybe unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you believe about Rodney Pete in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>the night snagging that ball from Max Munsey along the

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<v Speaker 3>first baseline?

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<v Speaker 4>We should lock them up? Maybe we locked them up.

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<v Speaker 1>We beat him on the tarmament.

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<v Speaker 3>Rodney works down the hall from us, so he's one

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<v Speaker 3>of our friends here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it really is a great family.

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<v Speaker 2>Chief.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about crime numbers, and we've talked a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about artificial intelligence for in all different industries and different

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<v Speaker 1>walks of life. Is there a move at all, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's LAPD specific or law enforcement in general, to use

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<v Speaker 1>artificial intelligence in policing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of vendors trying to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to enter the market and the public safety arena. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money to be made long term in it,

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<v Speaker 2>but also a great tool, but one that I would

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<v Speaker 2>ask that we you know, my peers, that we beat

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<v Speaker 2>judicious about employing that and not doing it too fast

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<v Speaker 2>and end up losing a great tool. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>where we can see it enter the market now is

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to go into realms and reams of data,

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to find things that are detectives say,

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<v Speaker 2>could normally find if they had the time, but they don't,

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<v Speaker 2>and allow them to be able to narrow the field

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<v Speaker 2>and look at clues or data that they need to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to put a case together. Likewise with redaction

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<v Speaker 2>and so many other things that we do that we

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<v Speaker 2>just don't have the personnel to do it. To be

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<v Speaker 2>able to get an assist from AI or machine learning,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to begin with, it would be a big help.

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<v Speaker 3>How refreshing to hear somebody in power say, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money to be made in contracts, especially

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, public money right to be made with

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<v Speaker 3>contracts with the city or the police department or fire

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<v Speaker 3>what have you. But to make sure all right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we we it's the future. Will probably contract out in

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<v Speaker 3>the in the future, but be careful and do it

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<v Speaker 3>right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a great tool, and

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<v Speaker 2>like so many other great tools. We have a tendency

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<v Speaker 2>to rush into things and uh and put them to

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<v Speaker 2>work right away, and it's you know, premature, and we

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<v Speaker 2>end up losing some some good opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I think you lose. You have the potential also

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<v Speaker 1>to lose. What makes what makes the job a great

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that it's human interaction. I mean, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, I mentioned last time that we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>with you, Chief that of the thousands of contacts that

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<v Speaker 1>the LAPD has every single day with people, we only

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<v Speaker 1>hear one or two or three and they're usually not positive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's and that the there's thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>other great positive contacts that happen every single day that

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<v Speaker 1>just don't get the attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, probably literally millions of contacts a year, and

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<v Speaker 2>you hear about the ones that go wrong, and we

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<v Speaker 2>hate it when any go wrong. But when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about people call the police when their world is upside down,

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<v Speaker 2>their situation is out of their control. The police come

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<v Speaker 2>into a situation that's emotionally charged or more difficult, with alcohol,

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<v Speaker 2>drugs and mental illness involved so often the case today,

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<v Speaker 2>and try and be able to de escalate the situation

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<v Speaker 2>and restore some order and get people the services they need.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty challenging for anyone in any field, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they do. Call after call.

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<v Speaker 3>Chief McDonald may have been from Boston area Brookline, but

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<v Speaker 3>he is a graduate of the LA Police Academy. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you remember and I'm putting you on the spot here,

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<v Speaker 3>but do you remember of any of those like early

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<v Speaker 3>interactions you had, whether it was in the academy or

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<v Speaker 3>after you got the academy, with people in the community

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of stick with.

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<v Speaker 4>You throughout your masterful career.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean now as head of the LAPD, But like

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<v Speaker 3>interactions or cases, are things that stuck with you that

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<v Speaker 3>remind you of why you do what you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Absolutely, you know, thinking back, that was forty four

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<v Speaker 2>years ago and I remember it like it was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>But coming out onto the street in the city I

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<v Speaker 2>met before was something that was exciting but challenging, and

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<v Speaker 2>that and the thing that reminded me continuously of why

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<v Speaker 2>we do what we do. Sometimes under the most difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to circumstances is because of the victims, the people out

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<v Speaker 2>there who truly need the police, who without the police

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<v Speaker 2>would be living in terror, be locked in their homes,

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<v Speaker 2>and not be able to function in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>we all as Americans would expect to be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I've constantly been reminded throughout my career of

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm here, primarily because of the people who need

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<v Speaker 4>All right, are you ready for your jeopardy question? Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, this is something we do every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I ask Gary a stupid jeopardy question from the stupid

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<v Speaker 3>dusk calendar we have. But today it's Ireland for one

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars. Chief founded in nine fourteen. Founded in nine fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>This city, known for its crystal, is the oldest in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>Crystal.

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<v Speaker 4>It's in the south. It's in the south.

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<v Speaker 1>Waterford, Waterford crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Why do I not know that that's the most

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<v Speaker 2>common crystal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's all right, Waterford.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to Waterford in Ireland and it was nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to write home about. It was very industrial, The crystal

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<v Speaker 3>warehouse was very nondescript.

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<v Speaker 4>But the crystal is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>You stumped me.

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<v Speaker 1>On that one.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. Next next time, I'll make sure to get

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<v Speaker 3>you gimme.

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<v Speaker 4>Chief.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for your time once again, we'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely l a p D. Chief to McDonald there with

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<v Speaker 1>the latest and yeah, we like like these conversations with

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<v Speaker 1>him and hopefully well he'll come back.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely
