WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:10.839 Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the Game Informer Show, a 2 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:14.640 weekly podcast covering the video game industry. Join us every 3 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:17.519 Friday for a discussion about the latest gaming news, reviews, 4 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:20.399 and exclusive reveals. Along it's a Game Informer staff and 5 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:22.960 special guests from around the industry. I'm one of your 6 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:27.879 hosts today, Alex van Aiken. Today I'm joined by Marcus Stewart. 7 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:28.559 How are you? 8 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:29.559 I'm doing good? 9 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:30.000 How are you? 10 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:30.760 I missed you. 11 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:33.799 I know it's been a busy it's been a busy 12 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.399 month so far. But happy to be back on the show. 13 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:40.159 Thanks for holding it down, you know, how are you? 14 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:41.799 How's January? Good? All good? 15 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:44.240 Ah, you know it's all good down here. It's cold 16 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:48.240 here in Florida. I know that's like you guys. 17 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.679 Yeah, man, let's pull out my at my weather app man. 18 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:54.560 I don't know if you guys know what cold is, 19 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:59.359 but down here in Florida, it's been a chilly fifty 20 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:01.640 four degrees nice. 21 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:05.079 It's supposed to be minus twenty three on Friday, but Eric, it's. 22 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:08.799 Been windy, which makes it feel like it's thirty degrees. 23 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:12.959 No, no, you don't get to pull that, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 24 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:15.159 Our windshill on Friday is supposed to be like in 25 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:21.200 the minus forties or something. Yeah, Marcus, you're lucky that 26 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.079 you're lucky. We're on a podcast right now that's somewhat 27 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:29.200 family friendly. All right. We're also joined by Eric Van Allen. 28 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.000 How you doing, Eric? 29 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.840 I thought I previously understood what cold was, and I 30 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:36.879 think I had a frame of reference for what the 31 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:41.680 word cold entailed. And then I went for a little 32 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.879 walk to a local taco shop here little to get her, yeah, 33 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:51.159 to get some food, and I experienced what actual cold 34 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:54.599 feels like when a giant wind gust of minus thirty 35 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:58.079 wind chill comes through and blasts you right in the face. 36 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:03.640 And now I think Elsa is lying when she said 37 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.920 the cold never bothered her anywhere anyways. I'd like her 38 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:12.000 to move up to Minneapolis and repeat that sentiment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 39 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.639 I think she's just like cushy in her castle life. 40 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:20.360 She doesn't get it. Well. We got a pretty big 41 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:24.120 show this week. Big news from UB Software being diving 42 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:30.520 into the cancelation of multiple projects and reductions in staff 43 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:34.080 and strategic changes that have been outlined in a recent 44 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.039 call Investor's Call. We got all those details coming after 45 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:42.159 a break later and before we get into that we're 46 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.680 going to be talking about MIO, which is Memories in Orbit, 47 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.479 I believe is what it stands for. Ye, and it's 48 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:52.639 a new Metroidvania as well as t R forty nine. No, 49 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.599 that's not a new calculator. That is a new puzzle 50 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.560 game that Eric really really enjoys. So guys, so let's 51 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.400 get into it, shall we. I just want to say 52 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.560 before we do, head over to gamingform dot com slash 53 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.960 subscribe and pick up a magazine. It's the best way 54 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.960 to support us. If you're looking at store shelves at 55 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.879 Barnes and Noble Books a million or international newsstands, you 56 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.439 can find our World of Warcraft issue on store shelves 57 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.719 in the US. It's eleven ninety nine. And if you 58 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.360 are a subscriber, good news. We've just announced our next 59 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.639 issue that is coming as double O seven First Light. 60 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.400 That's our cover story. And Eric, you flew out to 61 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:37.840 where do you? Where did you go? 62 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:43.039 Copenhagen went cop Yeah, yeah, it. 63 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:44.599 Was just across the water from Malmo. 64 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.240 It was really really nice out there, lovely, lovely place. 65 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.479 If you stay tuned to the GI YouTube TikTok, Instagram 66 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:55.080 and stuff like that. We'll be putting up some behind 67 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:57.159 the scenes of our trip out there, what it's like 68 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.439 out there on the ground where the folks at Io 69 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.719 make all their games, including the Hitman trilogy and the 70 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.199 upcoming Double seven First Light. We've got some cool behind 71 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.879 the scenes and just general like putting you. 72 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:08.319 In the place. 73 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:09.800 That's something we're trying to do a little bit more 74 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.240 of with some of our kind of story trips. Is like, 75 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.919 let you see the sites and sounds and places where 76 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.079 people make these games, because I think that does carry 77 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.160 a lot of story into how the games are made. 78 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.839 So look for that. There'll be some cool stuff there. 79 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:29.439 Yeah, and that issue launches early. 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But yeah, 91 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:10.240 let's get into the show. Guys. Marcus, tell me about 92 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.439 this new Metroid Vana Mio. 93 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:18.120 Yeah, it's it's it's so funny because this game I 94 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.079 almost want to say, hey, do you like Hollo Nite, 95 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.720 because this is what this game reminds me of the most, 96 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:24.240 And I. 97 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.800 Know haven't haven't had a Hollow Night experience in a while. Yeah, 98 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:28.519 it's been a minute. 99 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.079 It's it's and it sounds productive, but it really is 100 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.720 a cut from a similar cloth. So Meo Memory is 101 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.439 in orbit. It's out now as of this week. It 102 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.720 is like a sort of like sci fi uh, very 103 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:47.079 very beautifully rendered uh Metroid Veana. It's got a really 104 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.160 nice sort of like watercolor art direction that I really like. 105 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.800 And you play as this little robot named Meo who 106 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:59.279 wakes up in this mysterious world. And as far as 107 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.920 I can gather, I have not finished this game, but 108 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:07.399 you are sort of tasked with exploring this sort of 109 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.959 like abandoned almost kind of like derelict. I don't even 110 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:13.800 know if it's like a space station or if it's 111 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.920 a planet, I don't know where you are. It's just 112 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.120 a bunch of different biomes and you're kind of collecting 113 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:25.000 or you're reactivating. I think these kind of like these 114 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.399 nose that all make up part of like a seemingly 115 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.480 like a larger consciousness, like like they're each sort of 116 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:38.279 like biome contains like sort of the these like wall 117 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.279 of mcguffins for the sake of the conversation. Yeah, like 118 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.279 a mcguffin named after like a body part of like 119 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.920 this area has the eye, this area is the spy, 120 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:51.040 this one's the heart. And you don't know why you're 121 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.439 doing this, and this kind of like you don't know 122 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:55.279 totally why you're doing a lot of things. It's one 123 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:56.399 of those games that's this. 124 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.519 Sounds like there's not much exposition then. 125 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.000 No, at least not yet, but it is one of 126 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:02.879 those games that's sort of a bit it's a little 127 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:07.360 bit cryptic in his story telling, like you're finding Audiologus 128 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:12.240 along the way from seemingly a either a civilization that 129 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.879 was once around that is no longer present or some 130 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.240 of the other robotic life forms that you'll meet along 131 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.759 the way, Like you'll come across these other robots that 132 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.319 are either having like their own little problems, you can 133 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.240 do a little quest for them, or you're coming across 134 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:27.839 the robots that are just dead, like you'll just see 135 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.079 like robots buried on the rubble and they'll have a 136 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.160 little word prompt that'll just be like, Nah, this guy, 137 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.639 he's too far gone. You can't fix him. And you're like, oh, 138 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.600 that's kind of sad. But I bring up the Hollo 139 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.160 of Night comparison, because like that game, it is a 140 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:49.240 very challenging game. Mainly it does the holl of Night 141 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:53.279 thing where you cannot see the map for a lot 142 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.160 of the game. In the beginning, you're just sort of 143 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.480 like flying blind until you eventually unlock the ability to 144 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.839 see the map. And it all also has a similar 145 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:07.720 sort of like progression system where you are collecting sort 146 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.680 of like abilities, but you can only equip certain abilities 147 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.199 at a time, and each one spends a like limited 148 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.120 resource that you have, so you're constantly going to your 149 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:20.279 sort of like safe station to swap out the ability 150 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.240 to collect based on how much bandwidth you have. So, 151 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.639 like one of the abilities gives you the the power 152 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.120 to see the enemy's health bars or another one allows 153 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:32.759 you to see your own status, So if which is 154 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:34.759 that's an interesting one where like if you don't equip that, 155 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.399 you have no idea what your health is, but you 156 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.440 might want to equip it just to make you know 157 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:42.799 room for something else that you might think is more important, 158 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.799 Like I have one that makes your combo attack stronger, 159 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:51.960 and then I got one recently where there's like some 160 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.039 that like takes take away your bandwidth and exchange for 161 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:56.720 an ability. 162 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:57.960 Uh, Like I got one. 163 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.000 It was like, oh, here's minus five off of my life, 164 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.360 like currently, like my cap is thirty five. Like nodes, 165 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:04.879 I guess we'll call them. But some of them can 166 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:06.639 take like ten or right if like two that takes 167 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:08.440 twenty where it's like I don't know, I would have 168 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:12.480 to pretty much unequipped everything to use this one. But yeah, 169 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.679 some of them are like, hey, you lose overall bandwidth, 170 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:16.519 but you get this useful ability. So it's a lot 171 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.240 of juggling around with those and sort of like switch 172 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.200 switching them in and out depending on the situation, whether 173 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.480 it's like a specific platforming segment or like a really 174 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:27.279 hard boss. But I was like it thankfully it plays 175 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.200 really well, like I think the combat like it's basically 176 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.320 kind of like three hit combos, but it feels pretty nice. 177 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.600 You've got kind of like a like a floaty or 178 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:38.960 jump than maybe in something like Hall Night. But it 179 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.480 does allow for a lot of sort of like like 180 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:44.360 air combos on your part, or if you play your 181 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:46.679 cards right, you can kind of like jump in the 182 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:48.960 air like maybe a flying enemy and then just like 183 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.799 hit a combo, then double jump, then kind of reset 184 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:53.240 your jump and just keep hitting in the air and 185 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:54.679 just kind of keep doing that and just kind of 186 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:59.120 maintain your like airborne assault and while also dodging in 187 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.919 the air. Like right now, I unlocked it ability where 188 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:04.679 I can shoot sort of like a wire that can 189 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:06.799 use kind of like a grapple hook and can also 190 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:09.840 pull you towards enemies. That's been really useful. And then 191 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.279 I also have like like a teleporting dodge. They see 192 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:15.840 like he almost goes like or she almost goes like 193 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.080 Nightcrawler just kind of disappears in a poof of smoke 194 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:20.559 to like evade damage and then come back. So like 195 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.440 those have kind of added some nice depth to what 196 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:29.919 are often pretty challenging combat encounters. The regular enemies can 197 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:32.240 take you down if you're not on your game. But 198 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:35.799 the boss fights like Hollow Night are really sort of 199 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:40.159 dependent on like reading enemy patterns and like you know, 200 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.039 like trying to find out like what's my window here, 201 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.080 like how many how much damage can I audition before 202 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.440 I need to back off, And a lot of like 203 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.799 maneuverability to sort of like try to stay behind enemies 204 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.919 or just trying to trying to target their weak points. 205 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.759 But don't be surprised if it takes you probably at 206 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:00.600 least and the bosses that I fay at least like 207 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.679 three to maybe six or seven attempts to get past something, 208 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:09.240 and the runbacks can be pretty lengthy until you unlock shortcuts, 209 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:12.919 as you do in these kind of games. Okay, I 210 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:17.080 do think does Matt actually pose this question? Matt Miller 211 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.240 or editor and chief who reviewed this game, and you 212 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.039 can read his review now on the website. He was 213 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.559 kind of asking if he thought this game was harder 214 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:28.080 than Hollow nighte Silk Song, and he brought up an 215 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.559 interesting point that might put it over the edge, in 216 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.399 the sense that me and mio you can't heal yourself 217 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.200 at will, so when you begin the game, you only 218 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.759 have two health pips whatever you want to call them, Like, essentially, 219 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.799 you can get hit twice or three times before you 220 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.080 go down, and there's no way to heal yourself, unlike 221 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.240 an Hollow Night, where you can. The only way to 222 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:53.919 replenish your health is that you have to reach these 223 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.720 kind of like designated little checkpoints where you have to 224 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:02.639 spin currency to replenish each pip individually. So one pip 225 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.240 might cost like ten of this resource, and then the 226 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.120 second we'll jacket up to fifteen, And so you kind 227 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:09.440 of have to decide like, oh, do I want to 228 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.080 spend money to heal right now or do I want 229 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:12.720 to save this because I found like a shop keep 230 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.039 that has an upgrade, I'm kind of you know, saving 231 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:17.320 up for So what's the move here, especially because I 232 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:21.399 got this like tough platforming gautlet ahead of me, and 233 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:24.679 that has made the game, I think, at least for me, 234 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.320 Like as someone that likes Hollow Night, I think this 235 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:27.919 does make it a little bit more difficult in that 236 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:29.960 sense of like you have two hits and you are 237 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.600 not replenishing this until you can hopefully find a place 238 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:35.000 where you can, you know, like the safe station, and 239 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:36.600 then you gotta hope do you have enough money, which 240 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.519 thankfully it's not super expensive, but when you're dying over 241 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:41.720 and over again having to replenish it, run through your 242 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.480 your wallet pretty quickly. Like I've had times where it's 243 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.679 like I'm stuck on this little platforming segment and every 244 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.759 time I take a hit, I double back to like 245 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:51.679 replenish that hit, and then it's like. 246 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:52.480 Oh, I'm out of money. 247 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.480 Well, like it's going to work what I have, and 248 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:56.240 then if I die, I'm going all the way back 249 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.759 to the last checkpoint, which for a long time in 250 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.159 this game, the first check point in the game was 251 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.840 the only checkpoint I had. Jez, Yeah, it took me 252 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.399 a while to find like the next real checkpoint that 253 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.480 you can kind of fast travel between. Otherwise you're just 254 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.399 kind of unlocking a bunch of shortcuts that just lead 255 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.120 you back to the sort of like the initial checkpoint. 256 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.039 This probably all sounds like, like I think, if you 257 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:23.799 will know if you like this game, like if you 258 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:29.159 enjoy kind of like challenging action platformers, well like A 259 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:30.960 Holid Night or even like A because I think the 260 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:32.440 other game this reminds me of a little bit is 261 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.960 orient the Blind Force, at least on the platforming side 262 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.000 and orient in the whist and it's like it's not 263 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.200 just the combat that's tough, but there's stretches where it's like, Okay, 264 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:45.080 now we're gonna have to really master your like double 265 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.480 jump and your little grapple hook because you're going to 266 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.879 go through this crazy series of like platforming challenges, and 267 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.200 again with such limited health, where like I can get 268 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:54.960 hit twice and then I'm out. 269 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.120 Do you think it comes close to kind of hitting 270 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:05.080 the same highs as something like an or not quite? 271 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.000 I think I think because ORI's platforming I think is better. 272 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:10.120 But also Ari is a lot more of a platforming 273 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:12.759 focus game. Like I look at Ori, especially the sequel, 274 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.960 it's like that is a platforming first and combat second game, 275 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.000 whereas Hollow Nite is kind of the opposite, at least 276 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.320 to me. Even though I think Hollow NIGHTE has like 277 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.000 some good platforming sequence, I look at that game more 278 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:26.159 as an action game than a platformer. I think Mio 279 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.159 is in that camp, like closer to the Holomax kind 280 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.279 of things, even though there are some like genuine like Okay, 281 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.600 this is a pure platforming challenge here, this is this 282 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.000 is the challenge is going to teach me to get 283 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:38.000 good but the grapple hook. 284 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:39.480 And also like. 285 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.480 There's like like I got to this area and it's 286 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.600 kind of like almost this really beautiful kind of like 287 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.000 greenhouse area where it had like these flowers that you 288 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.159 can hit, and when you hit the flower, it replenishes 289 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.240 your double jump and your ability to use the grapple hook, 290 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.840 because those are like very quick cool downs, but enough 291 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.120 of a cool down to where if you don't touch 292 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.600 the ground, you will just and you need to use 293 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.120 a grapple hook, you just won't and then it will 294 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:04.039 just fall into a pit and die. So it kind 295 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.559 of like hitting those flowers kind of replenishes that resource 296 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:08.759 in mid air. So I was in one little area 297 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:10.600 where it's like, okay, I got to get through this. 298 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:14.480 Like it's like I'm surrounded by this weird foliage that 299 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:16.519 kills you if you touch it, and there's nothing but 300 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.200 grapple points and those little bounce flowers that replenish your thing. 301 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.120 I need to like just get through this and in 302 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.799 mid air, hit those flowers, get my grapple back, and 303 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.399 keep grappling across while also hitting those flowers and never 304 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:29.360 touching the ground because if I touch the ground, it's death, 305 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:34.320 it's that is it's all really fun. Like I'm enjoying 306 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.480 the game so far. I couldn't tell you confidently what 307 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.799 is happening in the story, but it's it's more like 308 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.399 the lore and some of the at least the implication 309 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.000 of the Lord that I find marg thing than the 310 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:47.039 actual plot is just like, oh, this is just like 311 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.200 a it's got a fun, mysterious vibe. I think some 312 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.559 of the robots are kind of funny or like cute. 313 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.080 The enemy seemed pretty cool, Like there's like they're all 314 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:58.799 just they almost remind me a little bit of like 315 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.000 Makeing X enemies because some of them are just like 316 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:05.159 weird robot animals, like like there's these like chamellions in 317 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.279 one area that can turn invisible and shoot their tongues 318 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:08.879 at you, and you're like, oh, that's a cool enemy 319 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:13.960 like stuff like that. I do think though, that the 320 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:16.440 like I said, the run backs and sort of the 321 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:20.720 the health restrictions are pretty rough, and I still don't 322 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.480 know if I if I think the game needs that 323 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:28.039 to be enjoyable, you know of like maybe it's like 324 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:29.879 if I could heal in any time, would it really 325 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.519 detract from the experience, which is why I recommend. I 326 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.159 believe there are some like difficulty assist options in the 327 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.399 maybe that you can turn on. I haven't really delved 328 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.679 into them yet. I'm kind of like, I don't know, 329 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.759 stubborn game or guy, I just feel like, yeah, I don't. 330 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:48.399 I mean not that I think it's bad, I just 331 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:53.080 I just typically don't. I just don't use those often enough. 332 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:55.840 I should go in there sometime and just see what's 333 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:57.919 what's actually available in there. But I know they're there, 334 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.279 which is nice for those that want to if they 335 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.200 can make the experience easier for them. But yeah, I'm 336 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:04.200 enjoying it so far though. 337 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:04.559 Overall. 338 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:05.559 Have you guys started at all? 339 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.920 No? Unfortunately, No. It has been on my list to 340 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.000 get to this and of the next game we're gonna 341 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.200 be talking about TR forty nine. Both of those are 342 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.720 on my playlist for this month. I think I just 343 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:22.359 felt like I needed a little bit of a break 344 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.039 from a Metroidpinion because I sunk a lot of time 345 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:31.799 into Silksong yeah, and got pretty burnt out, honestly, and 346 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:36.960 the thought of doing that again isn't as appealing right 347 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.440 now as maybe it will be with a few more 348 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.759 weeks time or or even you know, next month or something. 349 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.200 But yeah, I think it was Charles Charles Hard that 350 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.880 made this jog where he's saying like, I wonder how 351 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.759 much the MEO devs were so confident that Silk Song 352 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:54.640 wasn't coming out that they were like, we can make 353 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.839 a holidnight. Some songs never coming out and came not 354 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.119 too long before there, it's like, oh crap, Okay. 355 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.880 Yeah, I hope that's not the case because that's unfortunate. 356 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:12.279 But speaking of TR forty nine, Eric would love to 357 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.559 hear about that game from you. This is from Inkle right, Yeah, 358 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.720 to Inkle is a dev tool, but they also publish 359 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:19.559 their own games. 360 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:24.640 Yeah, Inkle makes Ink the game development tool also has 361 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:29.160 made overboard Highland song, the one that I never remember 362 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.680 the name of the school, No, Heaven's Gate, Yeah that too, 363 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:33.960 I was trying to think of the school one I 364 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.440 think it's expelled is what? 365 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:38.519 Oh yeah, the one last year? Yeah. Yeah. 366 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:43.000 A lot of really interesting narrative focused games in a 367 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:46.279 lot of different directions, and this one kind of fits 368 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:50.119 that bill where this is I think the top level, 369 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:52.960 the least spoilery version of this that I can do, 370 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.759 and I will endeavor to not disclose any amount of 371 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.960 like substantial spoilers. But this is a game that's a 372 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.440 puzzle box where like the unfolding of it is part 373 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.000 of the enjoyment of it. So take that, you know, 374 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:10.039 with what you will. It is very much Ankle doing 375 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:13.359 a Sam Barlow or Inkle doing a like a Root 376 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.079 Trees Are Dead Return of the Oberdin type game. They 377 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:20.119 even cite those games as big influences for TR forty nine, 378 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:27.480 which is you wake up in a damp, dark basement 379 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.640 with a machine in front of you, and your only 380 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.759 inputs are to input things on the machine, which takes 381 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:40.000 two letters and two numbers and then finds an entry 382 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:46.160 first said combination, and from there, guided by a handler 383 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.319 who's coming in over the voice intercom the radio intercom, 384 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.559 you kind of just have to figure out what's going 385 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.400 on and why you're here, what you're doing, what this 386 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.319 machine does, why the thing you're doing is importan, and 387 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.880 who the handler is. It's a mystery box game in 388 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:04.480 a lot of ways. 389 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:05.240 I think. 390 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:09.680 There's a degree to which the unfolding of that mystery 391 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.480 is important. And I say that because normally, with like say, 392 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.720 say a Sam Barlow game is an easy example her story. 393 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.480 You go into it with an idea that because the 394 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.920 framework around you, you're watching what is obviously a police 395 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.160 interview on an old computer, you can kind of start 396 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.640 to elicit some Okay, there's like something that happened here, 397 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.559 there was an event that I am searching for. There, 398 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.200 there's a reason why this story is being told me 399 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:38.960 through this medium. Telling lies is the same way where 400 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.440 you're looking through somebody else's laptop and you're like, oh, 401 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:46.319