WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:37.439 Can anybody give me an a man this afternoons? Welcome 2 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:38.640 back in your joint. 3 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:42.880 I'm your host DJA along with the co creator of 4 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:46.039 this whole damn thing and who was responsible for everything 5 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:48.479 you see in front of you, and that's money Nathan 6 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:49.840 with his Space Force mug. 7 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:54.479 And just down diagonally from him is the girl. I'll 8 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:56.439 tell you what she's been doing this for a minute. 9 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.640 She sounds like she might have had some organic mushrooms 10 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.119 of something today. That is a study of UAP debs. 11 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.959 And of course the curly haired young lady to her 12 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:14.319 left is none other than Courtney Connected. Welcome guys, what's 13 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.560 up Nathan? What is up? Man? 14 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:20.519 Happy Saturday, everybody. It's gonna be a good one. Brother. 15 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:21.280 I'm feeling it. 16 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:24.439 Debs, where are you at? Homes? 17 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.439 I just want to pick our guest brain about what 18 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:32.640 is going on rate new. I want to seem of 19 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.079 modern times. That is what I'm looking forward to you today. 20 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:40.040 We're gonna talk about this dude that done shook up 21 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:44.959 the UAP disclosure world. What's up Scott McGinnis, what's up? Beatrice? 22 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.920 Jules Witler. We'll say HOI to everybody before we bring 23 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:50.680 them in the joint real quick. Is this gentleman named 24 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:54.480 Jake Barber. He done shook up this whole damn thing. 25 00:01:55.519 --> 00:02:00.200 It's a snow globe right there, little season. You know 26 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.599 what I'm saying, Courtney, Okay, everything good. 27 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:06.920 Yeah. I have a household right now, so it's not 28 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:07.840 my usual. 29 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:08.240 You know. 30 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:10.919 I've got kids and dog and cat and they're all 31 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.400 looking so I'm looking back, you know how it is. 32 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:16.759 It's family. Family. 33 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.360 That's all good, man, that is all good. There's Kristin Thompson, 34 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:24.360 I believe from Denmark. Correct correct us on that Christian. 35 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:29.280 We did the the Nordica Roundtable with you, hi h 36 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.680 And can you read this one into into burna. Is 37 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:34.960 that what that says? I might need me. 38 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:36.759 Glasses, That's what it says. 39 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:41.000 Yeah, into Banna. Hello, Julie's here the Jewel of the Nile. 40 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:46.639 Our co collaborator from TCU, Beatrice standing Stone seventeen seven 41 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:51.919 and six and one of the Canton original Gangsters, Scott McGinnis, 42 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:56.960 along with Colleen Itchy horse weathers ITCHI excuse me, Itchy 43 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.599 Withers horse Rescue, which I believe is in New Humpshop. 44 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.599 Love what you're doing up there, girlfriend? All right. We 45 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:05.520 gotta bring his brother on because we only got him 46 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.639 an hour because it's the UK and this brother need 47 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:10.280 to go to sleep. He's already got his damn jamm. 48 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:14.879 He's on h he is the creator of the Liberation Times. Uh. 49 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.120 He's the one who's got a direct lie. He's got 50 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.960 this red phone to Susan, gob Yo, Susan, this is 51 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:25.240 Christopher Shop in the UK. What the is going on 52 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.199 over there? And he wants to be clear. He did 53 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:33.000 not go to a public school. He went to a 54 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:35.960 state school and then of course he graduated from the 55 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:40.639 University of wint And he is none other than the 56 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:45.759 man himself, the writer of Liberation Times put him together 57 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:49.360 for Christopher's shop. 58 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:54.520 Get anybody here give me an amen for Christopher and. 59 00:03:56.719 --> 00:04:05.080 Oh yeah you can all right, Christopher, sharp my bra 60 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:12.879 what's going on? Man? You're on mute? Mate? Nathan put 61 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.240 us in the in the quad chart because if there's 62 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.639 anything from the chat when I put it up, it's 63 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:19.160 gonna cover up y'all faces. 64 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.160 All right, you got it, you got it, Thank you? 65 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:26.040 All right? Uh, Christopher, we still can't hear you that 66 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.879 new microphone I'm about to throw. Where do you go? 67 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:34.199 Is he on mute, Nathan, I can you can you do? 68 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:35.160 There? 69 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:36.560 We go, Papa? 70 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.079 People want to hear those dulcet tones. Do you know 71 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.800 what I'm saying, Chris? Even though even though you went 72 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:46.800 to a state school, right. 73 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.000 I was gonna say, you put an idea into my head. 74 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.759 Maybe I could do like the podcast this season, like 75 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:57.800 maybe like ten years or so, you know, maybe maybe 76 00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:59.959 you can operate one day in a place to disclaiy 77 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.040 the kind of well, you know, I love that, we 78 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:03.000 love to. 79 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:04.839 I know one person you don't want to do a 80 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.480 show with, and that's Erara that she gotta terry your 81 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:08.040 show up? 82 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:09.439 All right? 83 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:13.079 Girlfriend with Ara the Terror love it the Terra all right? 84 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:17.160 Oh my god, Chris, I just I mean, I think 85 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:20.399 we got to just jump into this because this what's 86 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:26.839 happened with UH, with with Jake Barber, the former I mean, 87 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.240 the construct that he's under I haven't even heard of 88 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:34.480 really unless we consider UH staff Sergeant Dan Sherman. What 89 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.040 has an internationally or even in the UK? What what 90 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.079 have you gleaned from from this? This? To me, this 91 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:42.800 is like we were just talking about shaking up the 92 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.279 snow globe of UAP disclosure what are what are your 93 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.639 impressions of Jake Barbara? What are you hearing, sir? 94 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.360 I think, like a lot of people, I am still digesting. 95 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.879 It seems to stack up with a lot of the 96 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.560 talk that I was hearing before the new year in 97 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.879 terms of what was on its way. And I would 98 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:03.560 also say that very very incredible people, both in public 99 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:08.439 and privately, are voushing for him, So I see him 100 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:13.560 as credible. I think that there are some holes in 101 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.279 the story that are there for good reason. Let's just say, 102 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:23.079 when when you're doing retrieval missions, like we've reported them before, allegedly, 103 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.959 what happens is you both have a JSOCK and CIA component, 104 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.319 so you're operating under the title ten and title for 105 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:36.360 few authorities. That's always something considered to consider. And in 106 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:42.560 the Jake Barber interview, we haven't heard CIA yet and 107 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:46.160 that's interesting to me, very interesting, very smart. 108 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:49.959 You don't want to get your ass in trouble. 109 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:54.240 Go ahead, and yeah, I mean, Chris, so you've you 110 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.560 had an article earlier this month. You have full disclosure endgame. 111 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.879 We kind of talked about the the very sort of 112 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.879 imminent nature of disclosure kind of percolating in the atmosphere 113 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.240 right now, what with the Trump administration and a lot 114 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:08.879 of folks in the Trump campaign that seem to be 115 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:14.759 very much pro UFO. Potentially we'll see a lot of 116 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.480 those names have been confirmed that the process of moving forward, 117 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.720 the cabinets coming together. What are you hearing in terms 118 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:23.959 of the potential for movement there. We recently had him 119 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.199 sign the executive order about the declassification of the rest 120 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.480 of the JFK files, RFK files, MLK assassination, that kind 121 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.680 of thing. Do we think that the UFO piece of 122 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.879 it is literally on the table or is that kind 123 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.199 of maybe a bit of a pipe dream. At this point, 124 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:41.360 it should. 125 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:47.720 Be on the table. It's been presented. The paper for 126 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:52.839 a UAPs are which is presented by Lui Lesonda, and 127 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:59.000 the UAP Disclosure Fund has been presented and sent to 128 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:04.720 the Trump team. I know that, and we're just waiting 129 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.000 to see if it's accepted and they do go ahead 130 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:10.519 with a disclosure process. Now we know that all the 131 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.399 right components are in place. We've got Ratcliffe at CIA, 132 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.439 Tolcy Gabbard has been said to me his pro disclosure 133 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:19.560 as well. We've got RFK Junior who's been on a 134 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.439 record saying he wants disclosure. And we have Mike Waltz 135 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.920 as well, who I've been told is very very pro disclosure, 136 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.759 and he is also backed by Peter Field. Peter Field 137 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.879 is a very very key figure behind this. Peter Field, 138 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.279 I believe, gave the largest, one of the largest campaign 139 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:39.080 donations in history for a Senate race for JD Vance. 140 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.080 So this guy's very very powerful. He's got a lot 141 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:46.519 of money, and he's also back Mike Waltz. He's backed 142 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.440 on a trap, so he's got links all over this 143 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.000 White House. This guy and Peter Field's very very interesting. 144 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.720 I've had this from several sources, very very interested in UAP. 145 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.639 He's funded a lot of initiatives from my understanding as 146 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:03.399 well in the UAPE world. And yeah, he's a billionaire 147 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.480 with a mental political power. So I believe he wants 148 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.519 access to technology. It wouldn't surprise me if he's tagged 149 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.399 teaming with Elon Musk as well. Even if Elon Musk 150 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.960 doesn't accept the allegation that there is a non human 151 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:22.559 presence here, he does want access to those classified programs 152 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:30.240 involving space technologies. So everything is primed. The incentives are 153 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:34.519 there for people to act. We're just waiting to see 154 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:39.120 if Trump kind of like has the cajones to to act, 155 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.360 you know, I mean he's said that he's going to well, 156 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:46.679 he's going to classify the RFK files, JFK files, Martin 157 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.960 Luther King files, and Chuck Schumer has already thrown down 158 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.159 the Gauntont saying come on there, like what about the 159 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:55.639 UFO files. So Trump likes to like present himself as 160 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:57.600 this curve white person who's going to tear apart the 161 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:59.600 deep state and stuff like that. And that's kind of 162 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:04.240 like suba basically saying come on then, like I'll go there, 163 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.440 I'll take on the gatekeepers I already have with my 164 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.519 suber amendment. So Trump, if you are kind of like 165 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.000 this person you're presenting yourself to be, go all the 166 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.679 way do it other wise you know, you don't have 167 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:15.840 the cojon as I did. 168 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.840 Yeah, just one thing I want to say to the audience. 169 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.639 We are, now, what are we thirty or forty subscribers 170 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.360 away from seven thousand, which would be a really good 171 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:31.279 kind of landmark for cabs. So if you're so inclined, 172 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:38.120 please hit the subscribe button and we appreciate it. And Nathan, 173 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:39.720 do you have any follow up or we're ready to 174 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:40.639 pass it to Debs. 175 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:40.960 No. 176 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.159 I think Chrissy, you set the table really nicely there 177 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:44.960 and we're going to get into some more details, so 178 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:45.960 I'll pass it on to deb. 179 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:51.759 You know what you were talking about the involvement of Trump. 180 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.360 I thought about what was going to come out with 181 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:59.200 Martin Luther King. A lot of it has been rumor, 182 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.039 but it here's an indication that he was not a 183 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.720 perfect human being, and the public at large will find 184 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.360 that out. I don't believe there's any such thing as 185 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:11.799 a perfect human being, by the way, but do you 186 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:18.159 think that this disclosure of new ap could have a blowback? 187 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.360 Could there be like, for instance, if one case everyone 188 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:28.240 was setting their bets on was found to be our technology, 189 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.600 there could be some blowback. Do you think there's a 190 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:31.840 double edged sword here? 191 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:39.679 So? I think it's a bit of both. I think 192 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:45.840 it's a complex web. I think that the US was 193 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:51.279 making its own advancements in aerospace technology, you know, way 194 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:56.879 back in the thirties and nineteen forties. That's my belief. 195 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:58.720 And I think that you know, it was on its 196 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.879 way to kind of like potentially unlocking anti gravitic technology 197 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.840 in the nineteen fifties, perhaps with all without kind of 198 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.519 non human technology. Let's say, So, I think there's stuff 199 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.240 that the US may have developed by itself. There's other 200 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:20.120 stuff that has been replicated from non human technology, I 201 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.559 believe as well. So I think it's a bit of both. 202 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.240 And then OBBC you have the non human technology as well, 203 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.679 so it's a bit of a mess in the skies 204 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:35.320 and also non human intelligence as well. That's a bit 205 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.639 of a bit of a mixed pot. 206 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:37.799 You know. 207 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:40.200 It's been said to me that there are multiple intelligences 208 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.919 visiting this planet and walking among us perhaps as well. 209 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.840 And you don't just say, oh, species of Nordics are 210 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.480 all good and you know this other species is all 211 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:55.120 bad whatever. You know, it's kind of like humans, you know, 212 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.799 it's not like you know this, it's not like all 213 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:00.519 Russians are bad and all Americans are good. You've got 214 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:04.200 some good people, some bad people, some in between. 215 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:04.480 You know. 216 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:08.480 It's so that's kind of being communicated to me in 217 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.600 terms of that as well. But yeah, and answer to 218 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.080 your question, yeah, I think that's going to be one 219 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.879 of the most sensitive areas in terms of the technology, 220 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.080 and that's where the blowback would be potentially, especially if 221 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:29.120 you're classifying that technology for strategic surprise. Yeah, I think 222 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:32.200 that's very, very important to consider in terms of a 223 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:33.639 national security perspective. 224 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.080 And I'm going to pass it to Courtney, but I 225 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.120 just want to acknowledge it. We've gotten some gifts here. 226 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:41.120 This is a friend of the show who's helped me 227 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.279 out with some programming and it's really just an amazing friend. 228 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:46.639 Sarah in Shock and Horror. If you can use a 229 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.200 Massachusetts accent, If you can use a Massachusetts accent when 230 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.879 you say that, Chris, and you can sound like John F. Kennedy, 231 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.279 our great for I'm a president from high end spot. 232 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.200 I don't know if you can do that accent, Chris, 233 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:01.360 but if you can, because you've obviously you've got the 234 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.919 British accent down, like you totally have it, man, you 235 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.840 know what I mean, It's so natural. But thank you 236 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.480 Sarah for the twenty Kristin Thompson, our friend who I 237 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.720 think is from Daymark, keep up the good work, Christopher 238 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:20.399 Sharp because he's a bad mother and you know how 239 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:23.960 that ends. Also want to thank to Petty Paralegal. This 240 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:27.080 is jen I got to meet her and her husband 241 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:30.960 at the meal food we had in Massachusetts. And not 242 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.840 only is her husband a badass, but Jen herself is 243 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:39.000 also a badass and helped her her extricate her husband 244 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.399 from the Army as an enlisted man and into the 245 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.840 Air Force as an officer. So good job Jen with 246 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:49.440 your letter writing. So anyway, yeah, she's awesome. So thank 247 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:54.399 you everybody, and and thank you for your kindness. And now, Chris, 248 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.519 if you want to do your John F. Kennedy accent 249 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:58.240 toward the end of the show, we'll get that set 250 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.960 up for you. 251 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.480 Usually say garbage, garbage like me. He's like a kind 252 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.440 of Massachusetts kind of like Boston accent saying your garbage 253 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:08.120 or something like that. 254 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.919 You're very garbage. You know that you're riding is garbage, Chris, 255 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.840 I'm just kidding. All right, go ahead, your writing is brilliant. 256 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:17.240 Go ahead with our friend Courtney connected. 257 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:21.120 Hey, Chris, it's so nice to see you today. 258 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:23.639 And I've been wanting to talk with you for so long, 259 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:25.879 so I get to like ask my you know, questions 260 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:28.200 I've been lining up for years, like in this tiny 261 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.240 little spot, but I'm going to try to cover it all. 262 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.000 So you were one of the earliest people, uh, you know, 263 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.279 running your shop Liberation Times. 264 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.879 It sprung up, you know, and. 265 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:43.120 Had to get traction, and over the years you've gotten 266 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.360 more and more attraction roads into DC for those who 267 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.279 haven't been following Liberation Times, You've just done a great job. 268 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.279 So I wanted to ask you this specific question. 269 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:53.360 This is more for you personally, but also can be 270 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:55.600 extrapolated for other people who want to do the same 271 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:56.879 thing that you've done. 272 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.039 And carved their own trail. 273 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.399 You've had to cover these people in DC political power players, right, 274 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.919 you know, Mike Johnson, Ran Paul, you know, all the 275 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.080 big guns and so in covering as a journalist, right, 276 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:13.240 but also in the field of you know, I would say, 277 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:16.360 to some degree covering the history of UFOs and the 278 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:20.679 legacy programs, how have you maintained you know, your impartiality 279 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:21.759 in your coverage. 280 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.360 That's one thing. And then the second thing is, I 281 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:24.720 know a. 282 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.080 Lot of people who are doing coverage would not be 283 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:32.559 necessarily considered journalists, but they are covering things potentially and 284 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:36.559 getting sensitive information that could be, you know, somewhat dangerous 285 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.840 for them. I'm wondering if you can answer that as well, 286 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.480 Like how you've been able to do that with Liberation 287 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.480 Times as a journalist. You're coming from the UK, so 288 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.759 it's different from the US, but maybe you could speak 289 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:48.879 with that as well. How you've been able to take 290 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.799 some very sensitive information and bring that out in a 291 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.559 safe way through your journalism and your journalistic standards in 292 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:56.799 Liberation Times. 293 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.600 Thank you very much. It's really kind of you. So 294 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:05.160 I think in terms of threats, it's very difficult. I mean, 295 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.880 sometimes you will put a story. It's happened to me. 296 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:14.119 I put out a story about sensitive allegations around a 297 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:22.200 naval maritime retrieval program which included elements of the Maritime 298 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:30.039 Branch the CIA's Operations Directorate some sensitive kind of like 299 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:35.519 very very classified systems of the water. I didn't ever 300 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:40.799 reveal classified information. And it was that was from Europe, 301 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:48.119 the National Underwater Recond's Office, involving Special Operations Command as well, 302 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:54.519 and also involving the Office of Naval Research. So kind 303 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:58.440 of like put all those things together and yeah, I 304 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.240 told the story about that. And then when I put 305 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.599 that story together, I was like, holy crap, like I've 306 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:06.680 done the wrong thing, Like I shouldn't do that. You know, 307 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.000 I've got a family, like I've been told that the 308 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.240 people involved in the enable retrieval programs and not very 309 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:16.559 nice people, and I messed up. So, you know, I 310 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.160 released an article with that information in and I was like, 311 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.880 I kind of panicked, and I deleted that section for 312 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.720 the articles. I can't do this. And then like one 313 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.920 person from the UFO community basically is looking at the 314 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:33.960 Internet history page of Liberation Times to find it and 315 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.359 calls me out saying, oh, you know, he changes his 316 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.720 stories because he makes mistakes and stuff like that. It's like, no, 317 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.559 I changed that story and because I didn't want to 318 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.079 put that information out, but you know, as it then 319 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:51.640 been found, I just kind of like reinserted that information 320 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.240 there and then I think with my next article, so 321 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.319 I doubled down on that. And then I also named 322 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:01.079 Glenn Affne as well, who was the edge person who 323 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:07.960 blocked the deal between Lockheed Martin and that element of 324 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:13.960 what would have been the Bigelow team, let's say. And 325 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.279 so that, you know, a lot of people knew Gatney's name, 326 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.440 and he was like, Valdemore, you never shall mention him. 327 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.000 So mentioning that name and an article was like a real, 328 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:27.359 really big deal. And you know when I put that 329 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:29.960 article out, a few people were like panicking, saying you 330 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.759 were UK or you should have done that or consulted 331 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.559 a lawyer, and you know, like people were panicking and 332 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.000 and you know, come to think about it in hindsight, well, actually, 333 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:43.559 like if you think about it, like, I'm not saying 334 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:47.160 that Gaffney did anything illegal. I'm basically saying that Gapney 335 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:49.519 did his job. So if it did, if that, if that, 336 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.359 if those materials did belong to the CIA Director of 337 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:55.960 Science and Technology and Lockheed were supposed to send those 338 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.640 back years ago, then how is he breaking the law 339 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:01.799 and doing and how am I kind of like alleging 340 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.200 that any wrongdoing of him that will put me in danger. 341 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:06.440 So when you kind of like think about it, and 342 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.119 sometimes in hindsight you figure, well, actually that's not such 343 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:12.160 a big deal. And I will also add as well 344 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.720 that there may have been someone else involved with that 345 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:20.519 story in terms of blocking it, so I might get 346 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:23.359 onto that story one time. But yeah, so I do 347 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.519 have legal protection though, both in the UK and the 348 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.480 United States, so that's really good. It's nice to know 349 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.400 that people are going to act pro bono for me 350 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.759 if I do get any potential trouble. So that's good 351 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.839 to know in terms of like the impartiality and stuff 352 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.279 like that. I mean, I've always come at the story 353 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:47.480 like because so many neutral outlets will pretend to like 354 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.240 be impartial on the story. But you know, if you're 355 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.160 actually kind of like using the Pentagon or an element 356 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.480 of the intelligence community as your primary source, which defines 357 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.319 the story itself, that's a problem. Because I studied parts 358 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:05.279 of journalism when I was at university, and I learned 359 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.920 things like prime definition, you know, like the source. You know, 360 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:12.519 there's a battle sources. Basically to define your story, one 361 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:14.799 has to define it. And then also like how do 362 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.920 you use the source. The source that you usually use 363 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.880 first in the story will define the story usually, and 364 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:21.440 then the source that you use at the end of 365 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:24.640 the story quoting them will usually not define the story. 366 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:29.119 So you know, it's kind of like any publication that says, 367 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.799 you know, we're kind of like neutral on this, you know, 368 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.119 or impartial, it's very difficult to do that. So I 369 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:38.319 basically staked out what it was about beforehand, just saying, look, 370 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.319 I am reporting the story like it is, you know, 371 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:46.480 a giant kind of conspiracy and is wrongdoing perhaps from 372 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:48.720 the US government and contractors and stuff. So that's how 373 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.599 I'm coming out the story, you know, like the Watergate scandal, 374 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:54.920 Like I'm doing it like that. That's how I'm covering 375 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.920 the story. But when you're doing that as well, you 376 00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:59.640 do have to stay in partial where you don't want 377 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:03.160 to get involved with like debates and wars or she said, 378 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.480 he said, or you know, go against anyone else in 379 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:08.319 the community or anything like that. You want to stay 380 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:11.759 on your mission, to stay focused. So that's what I do. 381 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.039 And you know, I know about politics because I've been 382 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:17.799 involved with like politics in the UK as part of 383 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.079 my common stuff like the past decade or so, so 384 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:22.039 I kind of like knew how it worked from a 385 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.319 UK perspective, and I kind of had to kind of 386 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.759 bring that understanding to the UAP story of how the 387 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.039 dynamics might work. And I've also kind of had to 388 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:35.400 catch up on like UK politics, intelligence community matters, how 389 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:39.480 that's organized, the d D, how that's organized. And it's 390 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:41.599 been you know, a big learning curve for me kind 391 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.240 of like learning all that stuff. So yeah, it's been 392 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.680 a it's been a it's been a big kind of 393 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:51.279 like mission, and it's tough and Yeah, you have to 394 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:54.920 protect sensitive information as well. You have to protect your sources. 395 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.319 You have to be prepared to go to jail to 396 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.720 protect your sources. So that's really really important to me 397 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.920 as well, because people do want to find out who 398 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.960 your sources are, and that's always a tough part of it, 399 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.440 especially when people are digging around. So, yeah, is that 400 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:14.720 answering all your questions? Is that you? 401 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.119