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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk a little bit more about marriage because

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<v Speaker 1>that comes up a lot that marriage is difficult. On

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<v Speaker 1>its face, it's difficult to bring two people together to

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<v Speaker 1>build a structure of equality and productivity and still getting

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<v Speaker 1>everything you need but giving everything they need and finding

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<v Speaker 1>that balance is difficult in the best of circumstances. When

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<v Speaker 1>you mix and mingle faiths, that's another possibility, another opening

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<v Speaker 1>of vulnerability where there can be problems, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the things in scripture that point you to or away

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<v Speaker 1>from something are there for your own protection and guidance.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there are things that are absolute and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>change the scripture says this is the way it should

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<v Speaker 1>be done, and that's the way it should be done,

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<v Speaker 1>and stop arguing. But there are areas gray areas. There

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<v Speaker 1>are areas where you have to use your discernment, which

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be a recurring theme today. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>use your discernment to process those things and make the

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<v Speaker 1>best decision for you in context, for you and your life,

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<v Speaker 1>for what you're going through. And you've got to keep

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<v Speaker 1>those things in mind. And so when you're getting involved

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody. You've got to think not just about the

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<v Speaker 1>love and the emotion part, but you've got to have

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<v Speaker 1>the balance between the subjective and the objective and understand

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<v Speaker 1>what you're going through and why you're going through it,

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<v Speaker 1>and make the best decision for both of you, not

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<v Speaker 1>just for you. Age differences, emotional difference, all these things

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<v Speaker 1>play a factor and can be later problems. Sharon, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Sharon, how can

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<v Speaker 1>I help you?

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<v Speaker 2>Hi? Well, I was speaking with your call screener and

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<v Speaker 2>I told her that I'm interested in your comments about

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<v Speaker 2>Psalm twenty three. The reason I'm asking is because I

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<v Speaker 2>just read a book it was written in the thirties

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<v Speaker 2>and published in the fifties called I Shall Not Want

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<v Speaker 2>by Robert Ketchum. These are books that seem to me

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<v Speaker 2>to be totally out of touch with Christians today and

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<v Speaker 2>not books that are read by Christians. But when I

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<v Speaker 2>read that, I realized, you know, we seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>lacking a real depth of not only understanding, but relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with Jesus based on a deeper just a deeper understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of what His purpose for us is today. And Psalm

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three explains how he's not just our We understand

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<v Speaker 2>who he is as our savior, but very few Christians

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<v Speaker 2>know who he is as their shepherd and for daily life,

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<v Speaker 2>and that so we live in this second realm of

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<v Speaker 2>the physical almost as Christians. So I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 2>whether you've ever either focused on Palm twenty three and

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<v Speaker 2>the deeper meaning of it yourself, and would care to comment.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition, would you care to comment on I.

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<v Speaker 1>Am curious about how you see Savior well.

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<v Speaker 2>A shepherd salvation, okay, and my savior for salvation as if.

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<v Speaker 1>God came in the flesh. Yes, And all I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing was was was simply dying so that everyone gets saved,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I have nothing to do with anyone, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what it comes down to.

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<v Speaker 2>Ely, That's what I believe most Christians look at and

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<v Speaker 2>as a savior, and they're very glad, you know. They

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<v Speaker 2>look at Psalm twenty three is the Lord is my shepherd,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm glad he is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a legitimate concern, Sharon, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's an honest one. I think that many

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<v Speaker 1>many Christians have the understanding that the that Christ and

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<v Speaker 1>the Anointed One using that term that I was here

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<v Speaker 1>from more than just the salvation, that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship at hand. That relationship can't mean anything unless there's interaction.

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<v Speaker 1>If there isn't any interaction, if that's the true concern,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be a problem. But Psalm twenty three is

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful look at that relationship. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the Psalmist here in this case David reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>about the concept of a shepherd and the things that

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<v Speaker 1>it brings nourishment and leading to spiritual restoration. These imagery,

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<v Speaker 1>the imagery here of waters, the placid waters, and these

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<v Speaker 1>types of things are very much about that powerful image

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<v Speaker 1>of the Savior being someone who is interactive in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>should you let him. If you remember, the door is

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<v Speaker 1>locked from the inside, I will knock on it, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have to open it. Open it. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I agree that a lot of Christians are

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<v Speaker 1>out of touch with that. I think they wrestle with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's common and normal to wrestle with

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<v Speaker 1>that relationship part and understanding it in the physical realm.

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<v Speaker 1>But certainly Christians call here all the time and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear them speak about the things that they've gone through,

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<v Speaker 1>and how the Lord provides and God has brought them

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<v Speaker 1>through something that's a that's a great understanding, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's lost on believers. The Last Call was

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<v Speaker 1>so beautiful in its sentiment that I wanted to Although

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree that the majority of Christians have left that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure that that's what she was exactly saying,

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<v Speaker 1>the sentiment itself, I thought was very sweet and important.

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<v Speaker 1>So rather than I want to take your call, so hangtight,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to look at at Psalm twenty three before,

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<v Speaker 1>which we have on the air a good number of times.

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<v Speaker 1>But in light of her call, I think to appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>To remember how many times throughout scripture you have the

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<v Speaker 1>term a good shepherd, John ten, the Great Shepherd Hebrews thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a chief shepherd one Peter five to four. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>important that imagery of the shepherd and the usage is specific,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's one that's given a lot throughout scripture that

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<v Speaker 1>the imagery of the shepherd, and David chooses it specifically

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<v Speaker 1>because of all the dangers in his life that he

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<v Speaker 1>negotiated around because of God as his shepherd, that loving kindness,

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<v Speaker 1>that protection, all those things that restored him not only

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<v Speaker 1>in his physical life around trouble, but also more importantly

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<v Speaker 1>into full communion with God. So as much as it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to understand the salvation nature of why I came

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<v Speaker 1>and why I died on the cross, hey, you get that,

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<v Speaker 1>but to understand that one, you're dealing with the negotiation

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<v Speaker 1>through life and the sharp corners. As my producer Neil says,

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, the world is not nerfed. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>nerve the world. There's sharp corners. You're gonna get nocks

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<v Speaker 1>and pings in life. But in this particular case in

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<v Speaker 1>Psalm twenty three, you see the beauty of the balance

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<v Speaker 1>between both of those things because it talks about the

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<v Speaker 1>shadow of death. So that's the salvation. That's true salvation,

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<v Speaker 1>making death now just a shadow. It's not even something substantive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just something that looks like there's something substantive there.

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<v Speaker 1>So death is now not something tangible or something real,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a shadow. That's salvation that's about eternal life.

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<v Speaker 1>But also it talks about the the the waters and

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<v Speaker 1>the restoration and the things that are going on in

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<v Speaker 1>this world as well. That these things being understood the

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<v Speaker 1>raw the staff about the word of God leading you

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<v Speaker 1>as well, And there's a there's a great beauty in that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would hate to think that it is lost

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<v Speaker 1>on people. I don't think it is. I think it's there.

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<v Speaker 1>But absolutely echo the color sentiment in the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to understand that God is not just your savior.

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<v Speaker 1>That I didn't just just to come die on the

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<v Speaker 1>cross for salvation only, but for the process of having

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<v Speaker 1>that good shepherd in your life today to help guide you.

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<v Speaker 1>Should you listen and not rebel as many people do,

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<v Speaker 1>but to but to actually let God lead you in

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<v Speaker 1>life is a very very important thing. Tim, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Jesus, Hi Tim.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing well, sir? I'm very very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for asking, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, actually better than I deserve.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 3>My question is about free will. I don't believe in

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<v Speaker 3>free will. I believe from the day born today that

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<v Speaker 3>every single second has already been predetermined. And the reason

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<v Speaker 3>second is because it's in the Bible. You guys, you

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<v Speaker 3>haven't written this with God's will. This is what God has,

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<v Speaker 3>This is what God has in plants for me. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think Lippyan's it says it also about God already

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<v Speaker 3>has it predetermined. Why does it say we have free

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<v Speaker 3>will when something already predetermined.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, God predetermines every possible outcome or the possibility of

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<v Speaker 1>that outcome, but the outcome is still chosen by you.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a difference between the two. For instance, God

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't cause you to sin, so that that outcome is

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<v Speaker 1>not even something God would do, So that that comes

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<v Speaker 1>from your desire or your own free will and ability

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<v Speaker 1>to choose that.

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<v Speaker 4>Now God, Yes, and you just said, now you're saying

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<v Speaker 4>God doesn't have us choose a chose Adam.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam and Eve were not born with sin. Adam and

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<v Speaker 1>Eve partook in sin, therefore creating that as an option

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<v Speaker 1>through their experience, and that is passed down through the bloodline. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that rebellion has passed down through the bloodline. But think

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<v Speaker 1>of it this way, and this might be easier, tim

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<v Speaker 1>Think of it this way that if you went to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Joe's House of Pies, and there's one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pies there for you to choose from, well, Joe's House

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<v Speaker 1>of Pie is created all the options there for you

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<v Speaker 1>to choose, Every single pie, butter cream, banana cream, apple pie,

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkin pie, cherry pie, you know, fried shrimp boiled, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's something completely different. So all those options created by

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<v Speaker 1>that place. But when you go in and you make

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<v Speaker 1>a choice of which one you want, you make a

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<v Speaker 1>choice of which pie you want to sit down and eat,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you buy it, and you bring it to

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<v Speaker 1>That's your choice choice. No one forced you to buy

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<v Speaker 1>a particular pie. And you may be forced by the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you have only one hundred choices rather than two,

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<v Speaker 1>But all you need is two options for an honest choice.

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<v Speaker 1>In limitation, by the way, all analogies break down. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want people to get confused. But so in that

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<v Speaker 1>particular case, you do have the option of choice, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're choosing, and that choice is free. And just because

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<v Speaker 1>God knows what choice you will make or how an

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<v Speaker 1>outcome may come, doesn't mean that he forces that particular hand.

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<v Speaker 1>You most certainly have free will. Mister ed Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesus Christ Show.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been asked to do a by presentation on the

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<v Speaker 5>best ways to play the Bible for some high school

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<v Speaker 5>and senior students and some college students who.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the best way to read the Bible.

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<v Speaker 5>Study the Bible. Okay, they're going to be doing summer

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<v Speaker 5>ministry throughout the Pacific Northwest.

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<v Speaker 1>Any thoughts on that, Wow, to study the entire Bible?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, no, this week? To study a passage of scripture for.

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<v Speaker 1>Example, Okay, Well, the good thing is that all of

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<v Speaker 1>it's good, you know. Two Timothy three point sixteen makes

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<v Speaker 1>it very clear when it says all scripture is inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction,

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<v Speaker 1>for training, and righteousness. So you're you're good that that

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<v Speaker 1>it's all therefore your teaching. But it's I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's always a places to start in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>effects of things that I did in scripture. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>if people see things as just instances, well, okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>death and the cross and there was this, But to

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<v Speaker 1>see them as they have fluidity and tie into one another,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is beauty. It's something called the hermoneutics of

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<v Speaker 5>How do you take that scripture that you're reading and

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<v Speaker 1>completely consumable, not a problem in a nutshell, done, but

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of scripture seems to be difficult for people

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just people tend to like the scriptures.

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<v Speaker 1>to teach that way. So as much as I encourage

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<v Speaker 1>and then think how does that apply to me, But

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<v Speaker 1>good study bibles have this obviously. Online you can find

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like this, find the context of what was going

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<v Speaker 1>that it's important it's in there, But what does that

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<v Speaker 1>in the importance of the context. So I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>That those are the things that I love when people

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<v Speaker 5>Last question, Yes, where's the best place to find that

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<v Speaker 5>understanding and context? I mean, the other thing that I've

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<v Speaker 1>Bible commentary will help you with context and understanding certain

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<v Speaker 1>something a little differently. And also it might have small commentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Often Bible studies down at the bottom will have a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's not used very often but is in most

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<v Speaker 5>What are some of the better online.

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<v Speaker 1>the Unbound Bible. It's put together by Biola University in

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, you're on your own, but you kind

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<v Speaker 1>and share your notes if that's possible. That's a great

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<v Speaker 1>hope that gives you something to work with. Learning and

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<v Speaker 1>of the time and the placement is a good idea. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>where does it say that I should do something? And

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<v Speaker 6>Hi Jesus. I am a bit of an amateur anthropologist.

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<v Speaker 6>I find that sort of stuff very interesting and I'm wonderful.

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<v Speaker 6>I've noticed that it's not hard to notice that throughout,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, all of the time human time, that every society,

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<v Speaker 6>no matter where on the earth, you know, those societies

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<v Speaker 6>have been that universally all of us sort of cling

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<v Speaker 6>noticed that the more orthodox religions like Islam and Judaism

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<v Speaker 6>with the chanting and worling dervishes, with the tirling real

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<v Speaker 1>well to find that there are some differences in different cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>notice that in the Old Testament that there are times

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<v Speaker 1>and the priests aren't in the same breath, and it

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<v Speaker 1>talks about the importance of these musicians. And so music

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<v Speaker 1>obviously is an important part of worship, but more so

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<v Speaker 1>than it being connected in some sort of super spiritual way,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's something inherently releasing about dancing or

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<v Speaker 1>movement or moving to a beat or connecting with a

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm that releases people from their inhibitions and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>puts them in I don't mean in a negative way,

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<v Speaker 1>but in a way that people tend to be guarded

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<v Speaker 1>and to put on masks, and there's something it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to not respond to a beat, whether it's with a

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<v Speaker 1>goofy look on your face or a nodding of the

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<v Speaker 1>head or what have you. And I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a compelling attribute of music. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like a direct connection to God. However, worshiping

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<v Speaker 1>in song has always been a part of the Judeo

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<v Speaker 1>Christian belief system. You just can't separate the two. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you pointed out with Canter's singing, and even the

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<v Speaker 1>words of prayer become a song, So it absolutely plays

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<v Speaker 1>a part. What I don't want is to get to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where it becomes this separate thing and it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes like, oh, I can only get in tune with

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<v Speaker 1>God if I'm singing or undulating that I do not

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<v Speaker 1>believe to be true. However, there is a correlation that

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<v Speaker 1>humans tend to confine themselves, and the unconfining attributes of

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<v Speaker 1>music that make you want to kind of express yourself

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<v Speaker 1>make you more open to the experience of God. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no problem with making that statement or hearing that statement,

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<v Speaker 1>and also the direct correlation to the fact that you're

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<v Speaker 1>created in the image of God. And theologians have gone

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth for centuries trying to describe what that means,

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<v Speaker 1>and some have whittled it down to meaning that you

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<v Speaker 1>are a creature of intellect, will, and emotion. And to

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<v Speaker 1>expand on that, I would say that creation is a

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<v Speaker 1>direct attribute of the creator. Correct creates, That's what God does,

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<v Speaker 1>and so humans being created in the image of God

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<v Speaker 1>have the desire to create as well. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>music and art in general, but music is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those It is one of those things. It's the desire

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<v Speaker 1>to create as God created, and in this case, the

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<v Speaker 1>creation is music, and in that sense, I think absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>positively it plays a huge part in worship. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want people to make it more like a transcendental

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<v Speaker 1>meditation or something that somehow puts them on a frequency

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<v Speaker 1>or tunes them into God in a way that's different,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think when you get into that place, you

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<v Speaker 1>get into some metaphysical things and some things that might

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<v Speaker 1>not be too productive, especially in the Judeo Christian precepts.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for joining me this Sunday. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>joined me every Sunday. And remember, more importantly than all

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<v Speaker 1>the craziness that goes on, I am with you always.

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<v Speaker 1>KFI A six on demand
