Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk a little bit more about marriage because
Speaker 1: that comes up a lot that marriage is difficult. On
Speaker 1: its face, it's difficult to bring two people together to
Speaker 1: build a structure of equality and productivity and still getting
Speaker 1: everything you need but giving everything they need and finding
Speaker 1: that balance is difficult in the best of circumstances. When
Speaker 1: you mix and mingle faiths, that's another possibility, another opening
Speaker 1: of vulnerability where there can be problems, and it's not
Speaker 1: the things in scripture that point you to or away
Speaker 1: from something are there for your own protection and guidance.
Speaker 1: Now there are things that are absolute and it doesn't
Speaker 1: change the scripture says this is the way it should
Speaker 1: be done, and that's the way it should be done,
Speaker 1: and stop arguing. But there are areas gray areas. There
Speaker 1: are areas where you have to use your discernment, which
Speaker 1: seems to be a recurring theme today. You have to
Speaker 1: use your discernment to process those things and make the
Speaker 1: best decision for you in context, for you and your life,
Speaker 1: for what you're going through. And you've got to keep
Speaker 1: those things in mind. And so when you're getting involved
Speaker 1: with somebody. You've got to think not just about the
Speaker 1: love and the emotion part, but you've got to have
Speaker 1: the balance between the subjective and the objective and understand
Speaker 1: what you're going through and why you're going through it,
Speaker 1: and make the best decision for both of you, not
Speaker 1: just for you. Age differences, emotional difference, all these things
Speaker 1: play a factor and can be later problems. Sharon, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Sharon, how can
Speaker 1: I help you?
Speaker 2: Hi? Well, I was speaking with your call screener and
Speaker 2: I told her that I'm interested in your comments about
Speaker 2: Psalm twenty three. The reason I'm asking is because I
Speaker 2: just read a book it was written in the thirties
Speaker 2: and published in the fifties called I Shall Not Want
Speaker 2: by Robert Ketchum. These are books that seem to me
Speaker 2: to be totally out of touch with Christians today and
Speaker 2: not books that are read by Christians. But when I
Speaker 2: read that, I realized, you know, we seem to be
Speaker 2: lacking a real depth of not only understanding, but relationship
Speaker 2: with Jesus based on a deeper just a deeper understanding
Speaker 2: of what His purpose for us is today. And Psalm
Speaker 2: twenty three explains how he's not just our We understand
Speaker 2: who he is as our savior, but very few Christians
Speaker 2: know who he is as their shepherd and for daily life,
Speaker 2: and that so we live in this second realm of
Speaker 2: the physical almost as Christians. So I wanted to know
Speaker 2: whether you've ever either focused on Palm twenty three and
Speaker 2: the deeper meaning of it yourself, and would care to comment.
Speaker 2: In addition, would you care to comment on I.
Speaker 1: Am curious about how you see Savior well.
Speaker 2: A shepherd salvation, okay, and my savior for salvation as if.
Speaker 1: God came in the flesh. Yes, And all I was
Speaker 1: doing was was was simply dying so that everyone gets saved,
Speaker 1: and then I have nothing to do with anyone, right?
Speaker 1: Is that what it comes down to.
Speaker 2: Ely, That's what I believe most Christians look at and
Speaker 2: as a savior, and they're very glad, you know. They
Speaker 2: look at Psalm twenty three is the Lord is my shepherd,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad he is.
Speaker 1: I think it's a legitimate concern, Sharon, but I don't
Speaker 1: know that it's an honest one. I think that many
Speaker 1: many Christians have the understanding that the that Christ and
Speaker 1: the Anointed One using that term that I was here
Speaker 1: from more than just the salvation, that there is a
Speaker 1: relationship at hand. That relationship can't mean anything unless there's interaction.
Speaker 1: If there isn't any interaction, if that's the true concern,
Speaker 1: there would be a problem. But Psalm twenty three is
Speaker 1: a wonderful look at that relationship. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you have the Psalmist here in this case David reflecting
Speaker 1: about the concept of a shepherd and the things that
Speaker 1: it brings nourishment and leading to spiritual restoration. These imagery,
Speaker 1: the imagery here of waters, the placid waters, and these
Speaker 1: types of things are very much about that powerful image
Speaker 1: of the Savior being someone who is interactive in your life,
Speaker 1: should you let him. If you remember, the door is
Speaker 1: locked from the inside, I will knock on it, but
Speaker 1: you have to open it. Open it. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that I agree that a lot of Christians are
Speaker 1: out of touch with that. I think they wrestle with it,
Speaker 1: and I think that's common and normal to wrestle with
Speaker 1: that relationship part and understanding it in the physical realm.
Speaker 1: But certainly Christians call here all the time and you'll
Speaker 1: hear them speak about the things that they've gone through,
Speaker 1: and how the Lord provides and God has brought them
Speaker 1: through something that's a that's a great understanding, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's lost on believers. The Last Call was
Speaker 1: so beautiful in its sentiment that I wanted to Although
Speaker 1: I disagree that the majority of Christians have left that,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that that's what she was exactly saying,
Speaker 1: the sentiment itself, I thought was very sweet and important.
Speaker 1: So rather than I want to take your call, so hangtight,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to look at at Psalm twenty three before,
Speaker 1: which we have on the air a good number of times.
Speaker 1: But in light of her call, I think to appreciate that.
Speaker 1: To remember how many times throughout scripture you have the
Speaker 1: term a good shepherd, John ten, the Great Shepherd Hebrews thirteen,
Speaker 1: a chief shepherd one Peter five to four. It's very
Speaker 1: important that imagery of the shepherd and the usage is specific,
Speaker 1: and it's one that's given a lot throughout scripture that
Speaker 1: the imagery of the shepherd, and David chooses it specifically
Speaker 1: because of all the dangers in his life that he
Speaker 1: negotiated around because of God as his shepherd, that loving kindness,
Speaker 1: that protection, all those things that restored him not only
Speaker 1: in his physical life around trouble, but also more importantly
Speaker 1: into full communion with God. So as much as it's
Speaker 1: important to understand the salvation nature of why I came
Speaker 1: and why I died on the cross, hey, you get that,
Speaker 1: but to understand that one, you're dealing with the negotiation
Speaker 1: through life and the sharp corners. As my producer Neil says,
Speaker 1: all the time, the world is not nerfed. You can't
Speaker 1: nerve the world. There's sharp corners. You're gonna get nocks
Speaker 1: and pings in life. But in this particular case in
Speaker 1: Psalm twenty three, you see the beauty of the balance
Speaker 1: between both of those things because it talks about the
Speaker 1: shadow of death. So that's the salvation. That's true salvation,
Speaker 1: making death now just a shadow. It's not even something substantive.
Speaker 1: It's just something that looks like there's something substantive there.
Speaker 1: So death is now not something tangible or something real,
Speaker 1: it's just a shadow. That's salvation that's about eternal life.
Speaker 1: But also it talks about the the the waters and
Speaker 1: the restoration and the things that are going on in
Speaker 1: this world as well. That these things being understood the
Speaker 1: raw the staff about the word of God leading you
Speaker 1: as well, And there's a there's a great beauty in that,
Speaker 1: and I would hate to think that it is lost
Speaker 1: on people. I don't think it is. I think it's there.
Speaker 1: But absolutely echo the color sentiment in the fact that
Speaker 1: it's important to understand that God is not just your savior.
Speaker 1: That I didn't just just to come die on the
Speaker 1: cross for salvation only, but for the process of having
Speaker 1: that good shepherd in your life today to help guide you.
Speaker 1: Should you listen and not rebel as many people do,
Speaker 1: but to but to actually let God lead you in
Speaker 1: life is a very very important thing. Tim, Welcome to
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3: Hi Jesus, Hi Tim.
Speaker 1: How are you doing well, sir? I'm very very well.
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good, actually better than I deserve.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3: My question is about free will. I don't believe in
Speaker 3: free will. I believe from the day born today that
Speaker 3: every single second has already been predetermined. And the reason
Speaker 3: second is because it's in the Bible. You guys, you
Speaker 3: haven't written this with God's will. This is what God has,
Speaker 3: This is what God has in plants for me. And
Speaker 3: I think Lippyan's it says it also about God already
Speaker 3: has it predetermined. Why does it say we have free
Speaker 3: will when something already predetermined.
Speaker 1: Well, God predetermines every possible outcome or the possibility of
Speaker 1: that outcome, but the outcome is still chosen by you.
Speaker 1: And there's a difference between the two. For instance, God
Speaker 1: doesn't cause you to sin, so that that outcome is
Speaker 1: not even something God would do, So that that comes
Speaker 1: from your desire or your own free will and ability
Speaker 1: to choose that.
Speaker 4: Now God, Yes, and you just said, now you're saying
Speaker 4: God doesn't have us choose a chose Adam.
Speaker 1: Adam and Eve were not born with sin. Adam and
Speaker 1: Eve partook in sin, therefore creating that as an option
Speaker 1: through their experience, and that is passed down through the bloodline. Yes,
Speaker 1: that rebellion has passed down through the bloodline. But think
Speaker 1: of it this way, and this might be easier, tim
Speaker 1: Think of it this way that if you went to
Speaker 1: you know, Joe's House of Pies, and there's one hundred
Speaker 1: pies there for you to choose from, well, Joe's House
Speaker 1: of Pie is created all the options there for you
Speaker 1: to choose, Every single pie, butter cream, banana cream, apple pie,
Speaker 1: pumpkin pie, cherry pie, you know, fried shrimp boiled, and
Speaker 1: that's something completely different. So all those options created by
Speaker 1: that place. But when you go in and you make
Speaker 1: a choice of which one you want, you make a
Speaker 1: choice of which pie you want to sit down and eat,
Speaker 1: and then you buy it, and you bring it to
Speaker 1: the table and you sit down and you eat said pie.
Speaker 1: That's your choice choice. No one forced you to buy
Speaker 1: a particular pie. And you may be forced by the
Speaker 1: fact that you have only one hundred choices rather than two,
Speaker 1: But all you need is two options for an honest choice.
Speaker 1: In limitation, by the way, all analogies break down. I
Speaker 1: don't want people to get confused. But so in that
Speaker 1: particular case, you do have the option of choice, and
Speaker 1: you're choosing, and that choice is free. And just because
Speaker 1: God knows what choice you will make or how an
Speaker 1: outcome may come, doesn't mean that he forces that particular hand.
Speaker 1: You most certainly have free will. Mister ed Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 5: I've been asked to do a by presentation on the
Speaker 5: best ways to play the Bible for some high school
Speaker 5: and senior students and some college students who.
Speaker 1: Are the best way to read the Bible.
Speaker 5: Study the Bible. Okay, they're going to be doing summer
Speaker 5: ministry throughout the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that, Wow, to study the entire Bible?
Speaker 5: Well, no, this week? To study a passage of scripture for.
Speaker 1: Example, Okay, Well, the good thing is that all of
Speaker 1: it's good, you know. Two Timothy three point sixteen makes
Speaker 1: it very clear when it says all scripture is inspired
Speaker 1: by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction,
Speaker 1: for training, and righteousness. So you're you're good that that
Speaker 1: it's all therefore your teaching. But it's I think that
Speaker 1: there's always a places to start in the in the
Speaker 1: effects of things that I did in scripture. For instance,
Speaker 1: if people see things as just instances, well, okay, the
Speaker 1: death and the cross and there was this, But to
Speaker 1: see them as they have fluidity and tie into one another,
Speaker 1: I think is beauty. It's something called the hermoneutics of
Speaker 1: scripture as well, is something that I think as often
Speaker 1: left off the table when teaching about the Scripture and
Speaker 1: seeing how it all does tie together and why that
Speaker 1: statement in two Timothy is true because it ties in together.
Speaker 1: But if you look at the things that took place
Speaker 1: in scripture, the understanding that there is a beginning, middle,
Speaker 1: and end to all things in context of scripture is
Speaker 1: always beautiful. Kind of that gath simone cavalry and empty tomb.
Speaker 1: That God never leaves you hanging in the middle somewhere
Speaker 1: is a wonderful lesson to learn if you're going to
Speaker 1: take scripture out, because a lot of people will come
Speaker 1: up against opposition or confusion or frustration. And to know
Speaker 1: that God is a god of beginning, middle, and ending,
Speaker 1: when oftentimes it seems like God leaves you in the
Speaker 1: center of something, is very powerful. Is there a particular
Speaker 1: direction that you're feeling led to move yourself, like a
Speaker 1: place to start something that's meant something to eat you
Speaker 1: or kind of opened your eyes to something else.
Speaker 5: Well, when I know, for example, I'm stating through proverbs,
Speaker 5: so I'll just take behalf of the proverb, I read
Speaker 5: it through several times and ask God to show me
Speaker 5: what it is he wants for me to take the takeaway.
Speaker 5: And then I'll say, okay, here's some of the high
Speaker 5: points here, and this is the takeaway, and this this
Speaker 5: is what I need to do. How do I apply
Speaker 5: it to my life? And that's why I'm trying to
Speaker 5: That's what we want to share with these young people.
Speaker 5: How do you take that scripture that you're reading and
Speaker 5: make an application that's excellent.
Speaker 1: The thing that I will caution you about is and
Speaker 1: this happens in Proverbs quite a bit, And we used
Speaker 1: Proverbs on the program a lot because of the fact
Speaker 1: that it's almost like, if you imagine a highway of
Speaker 1: Christian cars with bumper stickers, that's kind of what Proverbs
Speaker 1: seems like. It's just a whole bunch of bumper stickers
Speaker 1: passing by that you can quote simply, and it seems
Speaker 1: to get the point across, doesn't it come across that
Speaker 1: way a little bit? There's all these like little, very
Speaker 1: simple things that you can remember. So if you're learning
Speaker 1: to memorize scripture, Proverbs is a really great place to
Speaker 1: start one because there's some rehashing and similar themes and
Speaker 1: statements that are made, but also because they seem kind
Speaker 1: of bite size, they already seem to be parsed into
Speaker 1: these little, you know, a little nut size to shape,
Speaker 1: completely consumable, not a problem in a nutshell, done, but
Speaker 1: the rest of scripture seems to be difficult for people
Speaker 1: to dive into because there's stories that go along with them.
Speaker 1: And it's not just people tend to like the scriptures.
Speaker 1: You can pull out of context and just say, look,
Speaker 1: this is what it says, and they're nice. They're easy
Speaker 1: to teach that way. So as much as I encourage
Speaker 1: that in going through the books, I think the way
Speaker 1: you are doing it is the smart way. Read something
Speaker 1: and then think how does that apply to me, But
Speaker 1: look not only at the words written, try it and
Speaker 1: good study bibles have this obviously. Online you can find
Speaker 1: stuff like this, find the context of what was going
Speaker 1: on or why that particular word was used. That always
Speaker 1: brings more light to the scripture than if you just
Speaker 1: read it and go, wow, well it's part of that
Speaker 1: made sense. Or for instance, if you go to the
Speaker 1: Old Testament and you start reading, there's parts where it's
Speaker 1: like so and so beget so and so, and you
Speaker 1: read that and you go, Okay, I've got to read
Speaker 1: this because it's the word of God and God says
Speaker 1: that it's important it's in there, But what does that
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people don't understand the background behind
Speaker 1: those names. And the importance of them being written down
Speaker 1: in the importance of the context. So I would say,
Speaker 1: always push them towards the context. First, read what was said,
Speaker 1: Understand what was said. Now, understand what was said in context,
Speaker 1: what was going on two thousand years ago in that
Speaker 1: context that it used those particular words. And now finally,
Speaker 1: how does it apply to now? Is there a similar situation?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: How does it apply to what I'm going through in life?
Speaker 1: That those are the things that I love when people
Speaker 1: do and you find out know how it goes with
Speaker 1: the harmony of the entirety of scripture and why it's
Speaker 1: in there. But first what it says, why it says it,
Speaker 1: why it says it in context, and what it means
Speaker 1: to you, to you in your life. I think is
Speaker 1: a good kind of four branch system into teaching any
Speaker 1: part of scriptures.
Speaker 5: Last question, Yes, where's the best place to find that
Speaker 5: understanding and context? I mean, the other thing that I've
Speaker 5: been using is just a concordance.
Speaker 1: Well, you've got a concordance, you can get A good
Speaker 1: Bible commentary will help you with context and understanding certain
Speaker 1: things that may not be you know, don't jump out
Speaker 1: at you and then another thing is a good study Bible.
Speaker 1: If you get a good study Bible, a lot of
Speaker 1: times it has maps in it, it has word studies
Speaker 1: in it. It will have some images drawings or photographs
Speaker 1: of actual places that help you, like trees or a
Speaker 1: pathway or proximity between two places that let you see
Speaker 1: something a little differently. And also it might have small commentary.
Speaker 1: Often Bible studies down at the bottom will have a
Speaker 1: little commentary that will shed light on it. And another
Speaker 1: thing that's not used very often but is in most
Speaker 1: study bibles is cross references. So you'll see other scriptures
Speaker 1: next to it. Like, for instance, if you're reading one
Speaker 1: particular scripture, you'll see it across reference underneath it that
Speaker 1: is something similar. And then you go to that scripture
Speaker 1: and you read that one, you'll go, oh, now, I
Speaker 1: see how they tie in together. It's not just they're
Speaker 1: talking about the similar things. This is referencing something that
Speaker 1: took place beforehand, and that starts to shed light on
Speaker 1: it and let it breathe a little bit differently and
Speaker 1: kind of come to life a little bit.
Speaker 5: What are some of the better online.
Speaker 1: References You can go and you can look at like
Speaker 1: the Unbound Bible. It's put together by Biola University in
Speaker 1: southern California, and it's a great resource Unbound Bible dot
Speaker 1: com and it has not only a place where you
Speaker 1: can search scripture, but it also has tools. A little
Speaker 1: area that says tools on it, it says Bible study tools.
Speaker 1: If you click on that, you can find you know, lexicons,
Speaker 1: you can find a commentary, You can find all kinds
Speaker 1: of things on there that can help you study. It's
Speaker 1: really really well put together and very intuitive. On a
Speaker 1: rare occasion it's down due to maintenance or then processing
Speaker 1: something or a lot of people using it or something.
Speaker 1: But other than that, it's very reliable resource and has
Speaker 1: many different Bible versions to choose from, so you can
Speaker 1: look things up, including different languages. You can look things
Speaker 1: up in the Greek and in the Hebrew, and that
Speaker 1: becomes a fun resource. You know, ask questions, dig deep,
Speaker 1: and if there's something that someone comes across and I
Speaker 1: find this to work well if you're in a group setting,
Speaker 1: let's say everyone's studying the same passage, then you get
Speaker 1: everybody coming together and saying, well, this is what I
Speaker 1: got out of it, or this is what I saw
Speaker 1: or this is what I learned. And then you get
Speaker 1: someone else saying this word bugged me. There's something about
Speaker 1: this word that made it seem like it was saying
Speaker 1: this or saying that, and everybody kind of comes together
Speaker 1: and then you can go, okay, let's do a word
Speaker 1: study of that word. How many times is it used
Speaker 1: in scripture? What other context is that word used in?
Speaker 1: Could it mean other things? Because often in the Greek, Hebrew,
Speaker 1: and even the Aramaic words can mean many different things.
Speaker 1: Just like in English, if I said to you, oh,
Speaker 1: later on today, I'm going to be working on a table,
Speaker 1: you'd say, well, okay, Well he is a carpenter, maybe
Speaker 1: he's building something. But I could be a mathematician and
Speaker 1: working on a mathematic table. I could be somebody who
Speaker 1: does crafts and I'm going to be working sitting at
Speaker 1: a table. So you have to know the context of
Speaker 1: what's being stated for it to have full brightness and
Speaker 1: life and understanding as to what's being said and why.
Speaker 1: And when you come together in a group sometimes that
Speaker 1: it tends to flower and blossom much better than if
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're on your own, but you kind
Speaker 1: of go off on your own and then come back
Speaker 1: and share your notes if that's possible. That's a great
Speaker 1: way to teach. Thank you very much, You're welcome. I
Speaker 1: hope that gives you something to work with. Learning and
Speaker 1: studying scripture, I know, can be a daunting task and
Speaker 1: it's one of those things you know you're called to
Speaker 1: and you want to do. And there's people say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I read scripture. I know scripture, and I guarantee those
Speaker 1: are the ones that don't because it's not something you
Speaker 1: read like that. You know, it's not the tipping point.
Speaker 1: You're not sitting there going okay, well, yeah I was.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a layover in Dallas and I
Speaker 1: thumbed through it and it wasn't a problem. It's not
Speaker 1: like that. You're you're you're wanting to have it come
Speaker 1: to life and to understand it. And you're talking about
Speaker 1: something written two thousand years ago. That having an understanding
Speaker 1: of the time and the placement is a good idea. Also,
Speaker 1: the life and times of Jesus the Messiah is also great,
Speaker 1: but that's also good to understand the context of what
Speaker 1: was going around at the time too. It just helps
Speaker 1: you learn and it becomes fun and kind of an
Speaker 1: exciting way to engage scripture rather than just the bumper sticker. Well,
Speaker 1: where does it say that I should do something? And
Speaker 1: where does it say that I shouldn't do something? Because
Speaker 1: there's much more to it than that. Hi, Chris, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6: Hi Jesus. I am a bit of an amateur anthropologist.
Speaker 6: I find that sort of stuff very interesting and I'm wonderful.
Speaker 6: I've noticed that it's not hard to notice that throughout,
Speaker 6: you know, all of the time human time, that every society,
Speaker 6: no matter where on the earth, you know, those societies
Speaker 6: have been that universally all of us sort of cling
Speaker 6: to music in one way or another. And I've also
Speaker 6: noticed that the more orthodox religions like Islam and Judaism
Speaker 6: with the chanting and worling dervishes, with the tirling real
Speaker 6: they do, which I find so fascinating. I'm wondering if
Speaker 6: there's a linkage, if you will, between like rhythmic movements
Speaker 6: and singing that God gave to us as sort of
Speaker 6: a wi fi, if you will, a linkage to him.
Speaker 6: Is that what the purpose of music is?
Speaker 1: Well, I think actually you might be you might be
Speaker 1: making it overly complicated or overly spiritual where it does
Speaker 1: have a spiritual element. And I'll give you a fun
Speaker 1: word you can go look up as homework Ethno. Musicologists
Speaker 1: might be something you might want to look into as
Speaker 1: well to find that there are some differences in different cultures.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we're even trying to find find or track
Speaker 1: down a word or concept like music is difficult to
Speaker 1: find in certain cultures. But music is fairly universal, and
Speaker 1: the desire to to make music or experience music is
Speaker 1: fairly universal. So someone can really and easily make the correlation, say, gosh,
Speaker 1: this is something that's kinetic, that's tying to God. I
Speaker 1: will tell you if you went through scripture, you will
Speaker 1: notice that in the Old Testament that there are times
Speaker 1: where musicians are named by name, talked about by name,
Speaker 1: and the priests aren't in the same breath, and it
Speaker 1: talks about the importance of these musicians. And so music
Speaker 1: obviously is an important part of worship, but more so
Speaker 1: than it being connected in some sort of super spiritual way,
Speaker 1: I think that there's something inherently releasing about dancing or
Speaker 1: movement or moving to a beat or connecting with a
Speaker 1: rhythm that releases people from their inhibitions and kind of
Speaker 1: puts them in I don't mean in a negative way,
Speaker 1: but in a way that people tend to be guarded
Speaker 1: and to put on masks, and there's something it's hard
Speaker 1: to not respond to a beat, whether it's with a
Speaker 1: goofy look on your face or a nodding of the
Speaker 1: head or what have you. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: a compelling attribute of music. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 1: that it's like a direct connection to God. However, worshiping
Speaker 1: in song has always been a part of the Judeo
Speaker 1: Christian belief system. You just can't separate the two. And
Speaker 1: as you pointed out with Canter's singing, and even the
Speaker 1: words of prayer become a song, So it absolutely plays
Speaker 1: a part. What I don't want is to get to
Speaker 1: a point where it becomes this separate thing and it
Speaker 1: becomes like, oh, I can only get in tune with
Speaker 1: God if I'm singing or undulating that I do not
Speaker 1: believe to be true. However, there is a correlation that
Speaker 1: humans tend to confine themselves, and the unconfining attributes of
Speaker 1: music that make you want to kind of express yourself
Speaker 1: make you more open to the experience of God. I
Speaker 1: have no problem with making that statement or hearing that statement,
Speaker 1: and also the direct correlation to the fact that you're
Speaker 1: created in the image of God. And theologians have gone
Speaker 1: back and forth for centuries trying to describe what that means,
Speaker 1: and some have whittled it down to meaning that you
Speaker 1: are a creature of intellect, will, and emotion. And to
Speaker 1: expand on that, I would say that creation is a
Speaker 1: direct attribute of the creator. Correct creates, That's what God does,
Speaker 1: and so humans being created in the image of God
Speaker 1: have the desire to create as well. And I think
Speaker 1: music and art in general, but music is one of
Speaker 1: those It is one of those things. It's the desire
Speaker 1: to create as God created, and in this case, the
Speaker 1: creation is music, and in that sense, I think absolutely
Speaker 1: positively it plays a huge part in worship. I just
Speaker 1: don't want people to make it more like a transcendental
Speaker 1: meditation or something that somehow puts them on a frequency
Speaker 1: or tunes them into God in a way that's different,
Speaker 1: because I think when you get into that place, you
Speaker 1: get into some metaphysical things and some things that might
Speaker 1: not be too productive, especially in the Judeo Christian precepts.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me this Sunday. I hope you
Speaker 1: joined me every Sunday. And remember, more importantly than all
Speaker 1: the craziness that goes on, I am with you always.
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