Speaker 1: Well that's.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about Primate, yeah, which is a film
Speaker 3: about a rabbit chimpanzee. And I apologize I got some
Speaker 3: details wrong when I was on your show talking to Yeah,
Speaker 3: this was Hawaii, not Southeast Asia. Gets bit by a rabbit,
Speaker 3: mangoo starts attacking people in theory. Seems okay, Yeah, seems.
Speaker 1: Oh no, waiter you telling me that it's less than okay?
Speaker 2: Yes, I am oh no, you like this?
Speaker 1: This is I loved this film.
Speaker 2: No going to be I'm telling you, man, I just there.
Speaker 2: There was not.
Speaker 3: I I just wanted it to be over. And this
Speaker 3: is like an hour and twenty three minutes. Dude, this
Speaker 3: is this is like a this is like a him Belushi. Yeah, length,
Speaker 3: you know, like this, there's nothing to this straight. This
Speaker 3: is this is a this is a season ten Walking Dead,
Speaker 3: This is a season five Stranger Things.
Speaker 2: And like I still was like, oh.
Speaker 3: Man, I just I cannot. I thought it was hokey.
Speaker 3: I thought it was I didn't. I didn't really care
Speaker 3: for the chimp how he was portrayed, like as far
Speaker 3: as like you know, the realistic yeah, special effects, I
Speaker 3: guess ye, make sure practical, Yeah exactly. I couldn't get
Speaker 3: into that. I thought it was predictable, and god forbid,
Speaker 3: I say anything is predictable to you, Yeah, because you
Speaker 3: are the King.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing will catch you off guard in this movie.
Speaker 3: Right, No, it it just was. It did nothing for me.
Speaker 3: This this movie did nothing for me. Troy Katzer, Uh,
Speaker 3: I think it's Katzer it looks like but yeah, uh
Speaker 3: an Academy Award winning Yeah actor. The fact that he
Speaker 3: was in this film was just I mean, it's a
Speaker 3: slap in the face to cinema that you're wasting this
Speaker 3: guy's talents in this. And then Rob Delaney, who I
Speaker 3: had high hopes for now. Granted I knew he was
Speaker 3: uncredited in this film and he was hardly in it,
Speaker 3: but I thought like, oh, there, maybe there'll be some
Speaker 3: comic relief.
Speaker 2: No there was none.
Speaker 1: No, there wasn't.
Speaker 3: I just there was nothing. And maybe I just don't
Speaker 3: like this type of movie. There's nothing for me here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start here. I'm looking this up for
Speaker 1: the first time. Rotten Tomatoes has it, critics eighty, audiences
Speaker 1: seventy two. Yeah, I'm right, you're wrong. I think we
Speaker 1: can agree with you said.
Speaker 3: I looked this up before I saw the film, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, there should be some good
Speaker 3: parts in this Yeah, and I didn't like it. And
Speaker 3: then I had to go back and look. I was like,
Speaker 3: maybe I read Rotten Tomatoes wrong.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: No more out of five people or three out of four,
Speaker 1: and audiences loved it. And I have to say, I
Speaker 1: think there's one thing that he's either going to make
Speaker 1: you love or hate this movie. So let me give
Speaker 1: you some perspective. I went into this movie thinking that
Speaker 1: it was gonna be essentially Moby Dick, like the whole
Speaker 1: not the whole premise, but a large premise of what
Speaker 1: Moby Dick is is that is that the fishermen are
Speaker 1: trying to catch this giant whale, and they almost make
Speaker 1: it personal. Meanwhile, the whale is just doing whale things,
Speaker 1: like it's not an enemy, it's not a villain, it
Speaker 1: has no nefarious intentions. It's an animal, and you're ascribing
Speaker 1: these human characteristics to an animal. That's what I thought
Speaker 1: we were going into. It was gonna be primates that
Speaker 1: gets rabies, that is acting within its within It's like
Speaker 1: what happens when you get rabies, and that's like you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be You're not gonna hate the monkey though,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, ah, it's just an animal. Maybe
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have a pet chimp, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's an animal and these are the risks.
Speaker 1: But no, they didn't take it that route. And there's
Speaker 1: one point where one person dies and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say how they die, because it was awesome. There's one
Speaker 1: point when one person dies and I'm sitting there and
Speaker 1: the monkey's sitting on the edge of the pool, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, is that monkey laughing that he just killed someone?
Speaker 1: And I was like, that must be in my head?
Speaker 1: And then it kept going. I'm like, no, it's relishing it.
Speaker 1: And it almost gave the monkey sadistic qualities as a
Speaker 1: result of the rabies. And I loved that spin that
Speaker 1: I absolutly because like the whole that's forty minutes into
Speaker 1: the movie that I'm talking about the whole time, like
Speaker 1: this is what I think I'm gearing up for. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that happens. Then you see him
Speaker 1: start to take joy in other death sines and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, this.
Speaker 3: Is a just get like like you said, say is
Speaker 3: a sadistic sort of approach to torturing people, yeah, and
Speaker 3: in some cases killing people.
Speaker 1: And there was a there's a straight to Hulu movie
Speaker 1: called Slother House, which which describes exactly what it is
Speaker 1: right came out either last year or two years ago,
Speaker 1: and in it there's a killer sloth. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there thinking, Okay, the movie's gonna make you think the
Speaker 1: sloth is killing people, but in reality, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the owner of the sloth who's messing around, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be some kind of plot twist. About halfway through
Speaker 1: that movie, the sloth starts taking selfies of itself while
Speaker 1: it's killing someone, and I'm like, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: this is a good movie. Never Mind, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that I was watching it.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I get like, we go to escape
Speaker 3: and and we go to suspend disbelief or whatever, but
Speaker 3: like the the whole rabies aspect of it, and and
Speaker 3: then this this, I mean, clearly this chimp, the chimp
Speaker 3: was really smart. We that was set up in the
Speaker 3: opening credits that this is a brilliant chimpanzee who worked
Speaker 3: with brilliant people to get him to communicate.
Speaker 2: And and and he was very, very smart.
Speaker 1: The wife slash mother, who was not in this movie,
Speaker 1: I assume she passed. I might have missed it in
Speaker 1: the story. She died of cancer, okay, perfect. She was
Speaker 1: a speech pathologist. So that's kind of the the rationale
Speaker 1: they give for why this monkey straight up. And what's
Speaker 1: funny is in the opening scene of the movie, or
Speaker 1: one of the opening scenes, he's pushing buttons on a
Speaker 1: thing like Lucy, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 2: It's it's like a communication thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that you would give to certain people who
Speaker 3: are heavyly have you on the autism spectrum? Yeah, they
Speaker 3: can't vocalize, so they pressed the picture of what they're
Speaker 3: trying to communicate.
Speaker 1: Yes, And in my inner monologue when they showed the
Speaker 1: monkey using it in one of the opening scenes, my
Speaker 1: owner monologue goes, if this is a good movie, he's
Speaker 1: gonna use that to talk shit later.
Speaker 2: And sure enough I didn't pick up on that, but
Speaker 2: it makes sense I should have picked up on that. Well.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was actually gonna happen, because again,
Speaker 1: this movie both took its tell like it took itself seriously,
Speaker 1: but then it had funny moments. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw Coked, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think it toks itself seriously at all.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't, I don't, I don't at all.
Speaker 3: I think this was a farce. It was a monkey.
Speaker 1: Now go watch Cocaine Bear and tell me the Cocaine Bear.
Speaker 2: Like you thought that that movie took its at all.
Speaker 1: I'm saying in that movie, someone would die and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, well, I didn't know a bear could climb
Speaker 1: a tree. Like, it's not like life is a Marvel movie.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be quipping after you watch somebody die.
Speaker 1: It kind of undercuts. And I even said, when I
Speaker 1: walked out a Cocaine Bear and I realized how ridiculous
Speaker 1: it sounds, I said, I wish it took itself more seriously,
Speaker 1: because it's a cool premise to could have been fun
Speaker 1: if you would have made it a true horror. This
Speaker 1: doesn't pull its punches. It's graphic. I was uncomfortable at times.
Speaker 1: I was in a pack theater bulky. There was not
Speaker 1: a scene open in the in the house. I went
Speaker 1: a little later because it's not on many screens, so
Speaker 1: I went a little later in the day. A little
Speaker 1: more achievable for a larger audience to attend, as opposed
Speaker 1: to going at like one twenty in the afternoon when
Speaker 1: I normally go. But it was a packed theater and
Speaker 1: what was that experience? Everyone was jumping, they were nervous.
Speaker 2: I joked on my show, I said, were there that
Speaker 2: many jump scares? Yeah, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I didn't jump, but there was there was unease, and
Speaker 1: I think some people just this was something for them
Speaker 1: that maybe they don't do a lot of horror, and
Speaker 1: they decided to kind of step outside a little bit,
Speaker 1: and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect these kind of moments. There was one
Speaker 1: in particular that hit me pretty hard, but I can't
Speaker 1: remember what it was now offhand, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So so nothing I did not. I can tell
Speaker 3: you unequivocally. I did not jump once in this movie,
Speaker 3: okay once. Some of the scares in this film. Do
Speaker 3: you remember remember what's the Patrick Wilson scary movie series Insidious?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, oh, the red faced guy. Not what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of the best jump scares ever.
Speaker 3: Great jump scare, right, but but but part of that
Speaker 3: jump scare was not just the image, It was the
Speaker 3: slight movement that you saw.
Speaker 2: On that on the movement of the of the Red
Speaker 2: Demon Earth yea.
Speaker 3: And the randomness yeah, Now in this film, I don't
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it was set up to do jump scares,
Speaker 3: but to me, anything that was that was scary. You
Speaker 3: kind of already knew what was going to happen, and
Speaker 3: it was very subtle where in the background the chimp
Speaker 3: would start moving, you know, like very subtly. The ending
Speaker 3: for like the big scene at the end, I mean,
Speaker 3: my god, how predictable was that? Yeah, you know, just
Speaker 3: and I'm just waiting and I'm waiting and I'll do
Speaker 3: this too to trash this movie more.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: The Packers Bears game playoff game that happened on Saturday night.
Speaker 3: I was getting so frustrated with the second half. I
Speaker 3: just I didn't know who was gonna win at that point.
Speaker 3: I just wanted it to be over. I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is not enjoyable for me. I don't like sweating like this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't like sitting through you know, maybe if it
Speaker 3: was the Packers coming back rather than the Bears, I
Speaker 3: would have enjoyed it more.
Speaker 2: I just hated it. I just I didn't want to
Speaker 2: watch the Bears final drive and didn't want to watch
Speaker 2: the Packers final drive. I just wanted it to be
Speaker 2: over with. From the point when the two boys showed up,
Speaker 2: I was just like, just can we can we just
Speaker 2: end this?
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I'm done. I'm done with this
Speaker 3: whole premise. I'm done with it. I I just was
Speaker 3: ready to be for it to all be over.
Speaker 1: You want to know what's funny?
Speaker 3: And I said, Okay, maybe there'll be something that surprises
Speaker 3: me here and I'll be glad.
Speaker 2: Sure I stuck around.
Speaker 1: No, No, they were fodder, and like, but what's funny
Speaker 1: is because I knew what I was getting into at this.
Speaker 1: I saw those guys show up, and prior to them
Speaker 1: showing up, I was sitting there thinking, you know, this
Speaker 1: needed two or three more characters to kill because I
Speaker 1: don't think there's gonna be too many deaths left. And
Speaker 1: then they showed up. I was like, oh good, oh good,
Speaker 1: this is the case. And I will say and this
Speaker 1: was going through my mind while I was watching the movie.
Speaker 1: About twenty minutes in, and I know you're gonna scoff
Speaker 1: at this, and that's fine. About twenty minutes in, I
Speaker 1: was sitting there thinking, they introduce all these all these
Speaker 1: women and their one one boyfriend there that shows up.
Speaker 1: They give you all their backstories that I couldn't have
Speaker 1: given a shitless about. Yeah, and I'm sitting there once
Speaker 1: things start to hit the fan, and I think to myself,
Speaker 1: I don't care if a single one of these characters
Speaker 1: lives through this movie. But then, but then, about an
Speaker 1: hour into the movie, at one point, one of the girls,
Speaker 1: who was clearly set up to be the villain of
Speaker 1: the movie, I was doing some heroic things like during
Speaker 1: like trying to help some of the characters out, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I felt myself rooting for the characters.
Speaker 1: And to me, the mark of a good movie is
Speaker 1: I didn't give a crap about these people, and over
Speaker 1: the course of an hour, I'm like, no, there are
Speaker 1: specific people that I want to see come out of
Speaker 1: this instance alive.
Speaker 2: Because to get you to get to care, to get
Speaker 2: you to care about at least some of the characters.
Speaker 1: Compare that to Anaconda, not the same movie. They obviously
Speaker 1: were going for comedy, but we I complained about it
Speaker 1: last week. You knew which characters had plot armor and
Speaker 1: which ones were the were the the fodder, here is
Speaker 1: the gonna make it. I'm sitting there googling, like if
Speaker 1: you get bit by something with rabies, do you well.
Speaker 3: Not only that, not only that, but like I was
Speaker 3: worried about the aftermath of it, like like, okay, well
Speaker 3: you know these people who got attacked, who got bit,
Speaker 3: who maybe had blood mixed with the chimps rabid blood,
Speaker 3: Like what's the long term Like is this something that
Speaker 3: you can pull out of?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You said heroic for one of the
Speaker 2: characters heroic actions. Can you look at it also from
Speaker 2: a selfish lens for what she did?
Speaker 3: Because well, yeah, because where that sort of like where
Speaker 3: things change, where the unexpected twist came in what she
Speaker 3: was doing.
Speaker 2: We don't know what would have happened after that, No,
Speaker 2: we don't.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah exactly because she gonna and you know what,
Speaker 1: she was kind of an s heel, Yeah, for what
Speaker 1: it's worth.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what what her intentions were. We
Speaker 3: know that she did not get along with one of
Speaker 3: the main characters, so I don't know what would have
Speaker 3: happened there.
Speaker 1: And I will say, with your endything, this is like
Speaker 1: an anti spoiler. It's what it's what doesn't happen that
Speaker 1: I think might have added to it a little bit.
Speaker 1: I wish it would have turned out it weren't rabies,
Speaker 1: Like I wish that's what the ending were. And you
Speaker 1: think the monkey's dead, and then whoever got bit or
Speaker 1: scratched by the monkey has something and it ends on
Speaker 1: like a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: Of like, oh, I don't I don't understand, like some
Speaker 2: other disease or or.
Speaker 1: Like just take it into the supernatural. And it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, the rage virus from twenty eight days later
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, like not literally twenty eight days later, but
Speaker 1: make it something like.
Speaker 2: No, literally twenty eight make it like yeah, like because
Speaker 2: who would see that coming? No, that would have been
Speaker 2: that would have been a totally read That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I was a little disappointed that it kind of
Speaker 1: ends like there's no sequel bait. There's no uh oh
Speaker 1: did the monkey die? There's no here's the monkey's bait
Speaker 1: that's also born evil and with raised this is very
Speaker 1: much a one off and.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love creature fleatures, and also I say
Speaker 1: it's a mixture between a creature feature and one of
Speaker 1: my favorite B rate movies of all time is called Frozen.
Speaker 1: It's about three people get stuck on a ski lift
Speaker 1: and the ski lift is closed from Oh I got
Speaker 1: to see this Sunday nights until Friday morning, and it's
Speaker 1: them trying to figure out how they're gonna get off
Speaker 1: this ski list. Wait a minute, did I see this?
Speaker 1: How old is this movie? Probably fifteen years old? I
Speaker 1: think I did see the dude from Animal ice Man
Speaker 1: he was also an Animals. Yeah, is one of the
Speaker 1: actors in it.
Speaker 2: I can't he was. He was a Oh god, why
Speaker 2: can I not think of this guy's name? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know you're talking. Yeah, he was in a Fox TV
Speaker 2: show following the following following Yeah, yeah, Oh did you
Speaker 2: say that following? No? I didn't, but I like that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is Kevin Bacon. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's I know what we're talking about. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's in Frozen. But so like this movie
Speaker 1: has like you can't leave this area, and there's in Frozen,
Speaker 1: it was wolves that were underneath the ski lift.
Speaker 2: I definitely see.
Speaker 1: But in this it's a monkey that outside of the
Speaker 1: region that they find themselves locked in and like, as
Speaker 1: soon as you put me in that kind of scenario,
Speaker 1: because then my mind starts going, Okay, so what would
Speaker 1: I do in this scenario? And how am I getting
Speaker 1: out of here? And then like I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: would do this, And then you see them do that
Speaker 1: and you're like, son of a bitch, I would have
Speaker 1: died if I did that, And then like you get
Speaker 1: the next thing, and like that's when. That's what I
Speaker 1: enjoy about those kind of movies. So that's how I
Speaker 1: watched it.
Speaker 3: The one thing I did think that was good about
Speaker 3: this or I mean it's not wasn't all bad. But
Speaker 3: one of the things I liked was the the opening credit,
Speaker 3: not opening credits, but the opening title card explaining rabies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a funny story about that, but go on.
Speaker 3: And how it creates a fear of water, yeah, which
Speaker 3: I didn't realize. Yeah, because that is a significant part
Speaker 3: of this movie, is how they are able to sort
Speaker 3: of bide their time but also be trapped at the
Speaker 3: same time and prolong their torture, prolong their lives with
Speaker 3: this infinity pool, which I mean, once I saw the
Speaker 3: shot of the Infinity Pool, like right on the cliff.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is you know, yeah, they're gonna have something.
Speaker 2: Which what kind of author? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You're not writing Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: Well did you see the stuff on the wall? Like
Speaker 3: so he had all these posters throughout his house. By
Speaker 3: the way, Troy Katzer Katsuer plays a famous author in
Speaker 3: this in this film, and he has it seems like
Speaker 3: all of his his books have some sort of well
Speaker 3: they all have a theme. They all start with silent whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like silent song, silent death. What you know, silent is death. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's definitely, he's definite real life. So you might remember
Speaker 3: him if you saw the CODA move. Did you see
Speaker 3: CODA came out? I want to say a one best
Speaker 3: picture at the Oscars. This is less than five years ago,
Speaker 3: probably well less than ten years ago for sure, maybe
Speaker 3: less than five.
Speaker 2: But CODA stands for child of Deaf Adults. Okay, and
Speaker 2: in this film, the sort of the star is dealing
Speaker 2: with their parents both being deaf. And I didn't see it.
Speaker 3: I heard it was very good and I think that's
Speaker 3: what Katsuer won the I know if he if he won,
Speaker 3: that's what he wanted.
Speaker 2: For anyway.
Speaker 3: So he plays this deaf author and I'm assuming the
Speaker 3: plot of the books he writes has something to do
Speaker 3: with being deaf, like maybe the protagonist is deaf or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it's this series of books, which I totally believe
Speaker 3: if they're successful. You know, I think about who wrote
Speaker 3: the the you know, A is for this, B is
Speaker 3: for that, M is for murder. Yeah, that Patricia, but
Speaker 3: you might have been Patricia Cornwell, I can't remember. She's rich, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, like you can get rich off this. And
Speaker 3: clearly this dude.
Speaker 2: Had a wealthy I would assume a wealthy spouse, you know,
Speaker 2: doing the work that she did with chimps. And she
Speaker 2: was obviously a doctor, and then she passes away to cancer.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there is a healthy life insurance that comes
Speaker 2: with that. So I didn't. I thought that the whole
Speaker 2: thing was believable.
Speaker 3: As far as where they lived, the type of place
Speaker 3: that they lived, I thought that was totally believable. And
Speaker 3: clearly the guy I mean, we see him working with
Speaker 3: his publicist on a zoom meeting and then actually in
Speaker 3: real life with other people. I don't know if that
Speaker 3: was an investor he was talking to. He took it
Speaker 3: very seriously.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, you know so he I thought
Speaker 2: that that part was totally believable.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you're convincing me of that. But if I
Speaker 1: can backtrack to the opening Rabi's discribe, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: So, so just to wrap up my point, if they
Speaker 3: would have not put that in, yeah, And I don't
Speaker 3: think I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: I'm stupid about some things.
Speaker 3: But if they wouldn't have put that in, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have understood why the chimp could I mean, is it
Speaker 3: enough to say, oh, the chimp can't swim, so he's
Speaker 3: not going to go in?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean I think the people would have bought that.
Speaker 2: I I thought chimps could swim. I didn't realize yeah,
Speaker 2: could it.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, And I was even sitting there thinking, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how I learned to swim. I was thrown
Speaker 1: in the deepend like I'm one of those babies, and
Speaker 1: I thrashed and I stayed afloat. So I'm very much
Speaker 1: of the opinion. And obviously people drowned, so I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: But like I'm of the opinion that if you just
Speaker 1: are thrown in the deep end and throw your limbs
Speaker 1: around you can at least stay above where you can
Speaker 1: still breathe, and then you just kind of go from there.
Speaker 2: But I think it's just natural for human beings like
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, you know, it's the same reason we
Speaker 3: die in quicksand, because we're fighting it, sure, right, And
Speaker 3: so if we fight the water, that's not quicksand, and
Speaker 3: we can you know what I was reading about.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was I got on a Quiet Place kick,
Speaker 3: So I was reading a bunch of stuff about Quiet
Speaker 3: Place and I didn't realize or at least maybe I
Speaker 3: forgot one of the kids almost dies in the grain.
Speaker 2: Silo. Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: There is a hyperlink from the story I was reading.
Speaker 3: And this is a big thing in the country. And
Speaker 3: and while deaths farming deaths have gone down over the
Speaker 3: course of the last you know, several decades. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: death has not gone down. Wow, But people being buried
Speaker 3: alive by grain apparently it's still happening.
Speaker 1: That was a plot point in a Saw movie. I
Speaker 1: don't remember which one, I think the eighth one, but
Speaker 1: they started someone in grain.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's apparently Hollywood's up on that right now, you know.
Speaker 1: I told my brother after I called him afterward to
Speaker 1: tell him how awesome the movie was and said, you
Speaker 1: got to catch this in theaters before it more it leaves.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Balky compared Don't Breathe to a
Speaker 1: Quiet Place, and his immediate reaction he goes, and you're
Speaker 1: friends with this guy.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they're carbon copies, but I am
Speaker 3: saying that, inarguably, there are certain elements that are shared
Speaker 3: by both films.
Speaker 2: I would hold on, hold.
Speaker 1: On, okay, I'm just saying that you wound up.
Speaker 2: I unplugged myself. So here's the thing. I would not
Speaker 2: compare these two films like they're on the same plane
Speaker 2: with each other. Yeah, but undeniably bad. The fact that
Speaker 2: this guy in Don't Breathe can't see yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: the aliens in.
Speaker 3: Quiet Place cannot see yeah, that is significant in both movies.
Speaker 1: See and I but I am the kind of savant
Speaker 1: that I would tell you Don't Breathe Too isn't even
Speaker 1: like Don't Breathe on.
Speaker 2: Is Stephen Lang? Yeah too? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they kind of terminated him. He's kind of like
Speaker 1: the good guy in that one. And it's a different director.
Speaker 1: It's not as tense. They have a three and two
Speaker 1: point two point out of him the whole deal. But
Speaker 1: in any event, I disagree that sentiment wholeheartedly. And I
Speaker 1: just I wanted to bring that full circle from us talking.
Speaker 2: On you and I are we're not on the same
Speaker 2: page on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, probably not.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I don't think I'm I'm explaining
Speaker 3: this properly. The fact that both of these antagonists could
Speaker 3: not see is crucial to the plot.
Speaker 2: Yes, and both of these that is how I'm comparing. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's fair.
Speaker 3: And so for you to say, like one of these
Speaker 3: is fantastic, yes, and one of these is schlock. To me,
Speaker 3: I don't think that they should be, at least for you.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised. I'm not saying that they should be. I'm
Speaker 3: surprised they are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also there's a PG thirteen R rated quotient in
Speaker 1: there as well that you have to get it.
Speaker 2: But that's another that's another aspect of it.
Speaker 1: But that made that made that contributes to the quality
Speaker 1: of the movie. Okay, but let me, I don't want
Speaker 1: to lose.
Speaker 2: You don't go around telling people like, oh, I think
Speaker 2: that these are the same movies. They're not.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just saying, and again I maintained everyone listening
Speaker 1: should see Don't Breathe one, do not watch Don't Breathe Too. Oh,
Speaker 1: Don't Breathe Too sucked. Yeah, I'm telling you it was
Speaker 1: a different director feed Alvarez. He just understands how to
Speaker 1: make a tot thriller, and that I think is what's
Speaker 1: missing from uh What the Quiet Place, as well as
Speaker 1: the sequel to Don't.
Speaker 3: You're making a fourth one which is technically a third
Speaker 3: one because.
Speaker 1: The other one's a prequel, which is the one I
Speaker 1: saw in Theaters Kill Me anyway.
Speaker 3: Did you I'm realizing Joseph Quinn you know who played
Speaker 3: Johnny Storm?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I didn't really know who he was. And
Speaker 3: now I'm seeing all this stuff that he's been.
Speaker 2: At, Oh really like Stranger Things.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've never seen him in anything either.
Speaker 3: Straight he was he was Eddie and Stranger Things, Okay,
Speaker 3: and then he was the student.
Speaker 2: Did you see The Quiet Place? He was the law yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, But like, and now I'm seeing all this
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I didn't. I didn't realize that that
Speaker 2: he'd done all these anyway.
Speaker 1: But so I really want to put a boat on
Speaker 1: the rabies thing, because you and I always talk about
Speaker 1: lowest common denominator stuff, and sometimes you got to do
Speaker 1: something that people aren't paying attention. So you're sitting here
Speaker 1: telling me, and for the record, not to uh, not
Speaker 1: to brag. But I was a neuroscience and biology major,
Speaker 1: so I took animal physiog.
Speaker 2: Are you really yeah, you end up in radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know things. But so I knew that
Speaker 1: hydrophobia and rabies are kind of correlated to one another.
Speaker 2: I did not know hydrophobia was a thing. Oh really,
Speaker 2: I'd like a fear of it's.
Speaker 1: More so about it's about cells more so than it
Speaker 1: is a fear of water. It's because your cells are
Speaker 1: mostly water. So your cells are almost like almost disintegrating
Speaker 1: because it tries to give the non water parts are
Speaker 1: trying to get away from the water parts. It's like, wow, like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not oil is hydrophobic. If you pour oil into water,
Speaker 1: you see it very clearly separate.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, then I did not understand the definition of hydrophobia,
Speaker 3: so that that.
Speaker 1: Kind of lends itself to this. Then, so I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in a pack theater. Now, I lucked out because anyone
Speaker 1: who's been to the theater that I go to knows
Speaker 1: that most of the recliner seats are seated in pairs.
Speaker 1: I went by myself into a crowded theater, and it
Speaker 1: just so happens that if you sit along the wall,
Speaker 1: there's a one recliner seat that you can have to yourself.
Speaker 1: So a couple is sitting next to me, younger couple,
Speaker 1: not teenagers, like definitely in their adult life, but not
Speaker 1: as old as I was. I could tell by looking
Speaker 1: at them. So this movie starts. I talked about this
Speaker 1: on my show today to kind of kick off the
Speaker 1: political side of things. I can tell you about it
Speaker 1: off the air.
Speaker 2: How old are there? You said?
Speaker 1: Probably mid twenties, maybe late twenties, but like so not
Speaker 1: young enough.
Speaker 2: For you to be this stupid, is my point.
Speaker 1: So they sit there. The Rabies blurb comes up and
Speaker 1: it kind of describes what rabies is, and it goes
Speaker 1: into it in a way that any person who has
Speaker 1: seen a movie ever much like you highlight, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they put that in there, because otherwise I
Speaker 1: would not have known a lot of what was going on. Balky,
Speaker 1: I'm not even lying. Thirty five forty minutes into the movie,
Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the husband whatever he is, leans over to
Speaker 1: the girl and hear them because I'm not whispering very quietly.
Speaker 2: It was a very loud theater. It's fun.
Speaker 1: Everyone was into it. And he goes, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think that monkey has rabies, and I was like,
Speaker 1: get out of here, are you kidding me? It's why
Speaker 1: do you think so?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: So Balky's shaking his head, looking at me and disbelief.
Speaker 1: Right now, the girlfriend leans over and goes, no, I
Speaker 1: don't think so.
Speaker 2: Wow, uh what he Here's the good part about that.
Speaker 2: They clearly phone their souls. They're meant for each other.
Speaker 1: Like he's trying to lean in to be like the
Speaker 1: brains of the operation, like hon if I don't know
Speaker 1: any better, but I think that the mongoose that bit
Speaker 1: that thing might have had rabies. And she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I just think it's a bad monkey. Like what how
Speaker 1: is it that people watch movies this light. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there trying to internalize this because I'm just like ready
Speaker 1: to explode, like why are you here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they have the right to enjoy the movie just
Speaker 1: as much as ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But like.
Speaker 1: When we do this podcast going forward, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be referencing that couple quite a bit because at times
Speaker 1: when we're like when I complain about the ending of
Speaker 1: the Dark Knight, and I'm like, why do we need
Speaker 1: the two minutes soliloquy to explain why he's the Dark Knight.
Speaker 1: We just watched him kill Harvey Dent. We understand why
Speaker 1: he's the Dark Knight. It's because of that freaking couple.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have understand what they just saw otherwise. Close
Speaker 1: my mind.
Speaker 3: One of the companies that work for we deal with
Speaker 3: a lot of customers, and we feel like we do
Speaker 3: a really good job of explaining something, and we do
Speaker 3: a really good job of giving everybody the tools and
Speaker 3: making sure everybody's informed on how things work, not once,
Speaker 3: not twice, multiple times, four or five, six times overkill,
Speaker 3: as I think most people would say it. And there
Speaker 3: is still a section of people that will ask you
Speaker 3: questions that were answered previously in multiple spots and multiple times.
Speaker 3: And this has been this is the thing. I've always
Speaker 3: said this, I'm like, listen, for like zero point oh
Speaker 3: one percent of the population, Yes, they're morons, but for
Speaker 3: everybody else, Like we we just got to hammer it better.
Speaker 3: Like this is on us, like we we are giving.
Speaker 2: Credit too much credit for the public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we have to really hammer this home to
Speaker 3: the point where it is not to the point of
Speaker 3: almost annoying us.
Speaker 2: It's got to be annoying the hell out of us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to to sort of drive this home. And quite frankly,
Speaker 2: red like like like, what could they have done differently
Speaker 2: hammer it out through conversations with.
Speaker 3: Uh, the doctors or something like that in it actually
Speaker 3: show the mongoose getting rabies and then showing the mongoose
Speaker 3: actually bite the chimp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's how else do you spell it out?
Speaker 2: I mean that that to me that and yeah.
Speaker 1: We're not spoiling anything, by the way, I don't feel
Speaker 1: bad about saying anything.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, like I could have seen the mongoose bite
Speaker 2: the chimp. We didn't see it in the movie, you know,
Speaker 2: So I think there is a certain leap of of.
Speaker 3: Of knowledge that. Yeah, I think it's pretty easy. It's
Speaker 3: a it's not a big leap, but you have to understand. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I don't understand there's no rabies in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was true.
Speaker 1: I guess because it's an island and it's isolated in
Speaker 1: a way that it travels. I am absolutely guessing in
Speaker 1: the fact that it is hydrophobic means you're not swimming
Speaker 1: through the freaking water to get to where you need
Speaker 1: to go, because.
Speaker 3: I guess, I just I feel like you introduce one
Speaker 3: invasive species.
Speaker 2: Yeah one time.
Speaker 3: Listen, we've seen zombie apocalypse movies and TV shows. It
Speaker 3: only takes one right and then it spreads. And it's
Speaker 3: not like Hawaii is this brand new location. It's been around, yeah,
Speaker 3: for thousands of years, right, and so to say rabies
Speaker 3: doesn't exist, that's it's quite a bold assertation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I I clearly it was a wrong ascertain Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely for the purposes of this movie. Yeah, like it
Speaker 2: was wild.
Speaker 1: And I will say, to your mongoose point, I think
Speaker 1: the reason didn't show this. And I was intrigued by
Speaker 1: you saying you didn't like the way it looked because
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this about me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we.
Speaker 1: Talked about it, but I am a big big play
Speaker 1: under the apes fan, the original five, the ones that
Speaker 1: come out now. I refer as to the shitty. Tim Burton,
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg one is the tenth best Plan of the
Speaker 1: Apes movie because even though it's clearly the worst one,
Speaker 1: I still enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny about Wahlberg is I like some
Speaker 3: of the stuff he's done. Shooter was was pretty good.
Speaker 3: I watched Four Brothers last night when I got Brothers
Speaker 3: is awesome. Yeah, I just watched that the other day too.
Speaker 3: It's on Netflix, that's yeah. And what was the other one?
Speaker 2: I really like? Oh Italian Job.
Speaker 3: That is my wife's favorite movie, which is a remake,
Speaker 3: which kind of defeats the point I'm about to make.
Speaker 3: He kind of wrecked Plan out of the Apes a
Speaker 3: little bit, sure, and he kind of wrecked Transformers a
Speaker 3: little bit. I mean, I I can't watch the Wallberg
Speaker 3: as much as I enjoy watching Wahlberg on the big screen.
Speaker 2: Over Shilah Buff. There is something about Shila Buff in
Speaker 2: that movie being totally frantic and panicked running away from
Speaker 2: Decepticons that I just loved. Perfect for that, Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: perfect for that. And obviously Megan Fox too. Yeah. But
Speaker 2: the third one, I guess was not great, the one
Speaker 2: with Patrick Depk. Yeah, that one is very forgettable. I
Speaker 2: don't really remember. So it's weird that an actor like
Speaker 2: that can can sort of.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, conpolarized to that extent. And James Franco and
Speaker 1: John Lithgal saved the series for me though with their
Speaker 1: trilogy that they kind of kicked off. And now, but
Speaker 1: I bring up Planet of the Apes to say, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to Andy Serkis is a tremendous Caesar circuit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna say, he's in Planet of
Speaker 2: the Apes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a tremendous Caesar. The CGI is very well done,
Speaker 1: especially even like some of these movies are well over
Speaker 1: a decade old, and they still look very good. This
Speaker 1: monkey looked better than any of that. And there's I
Speaker 1: refuse to believe they didn't have the bud They had
Speaker 1: the budget that the Planet of the Apes movies did.
Speaker 1: I I thought it looked much more real. It looks
Speaker 1: very clearly a CGI chimp, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you know what? You know what? Ben? I like that.
Speaker 3: No, here's the thing, and now now you can fry
Speaker 3: me all you want on this. I don't like I
Speaker 3: don't really like fruit, okay, okay, but I love fruit
Speaker 3: flavored things. Okay, you put a watermelon flavored jolly rancher
Speaker 3: in front of me and a piece of watermelon, nine
Speaker 3: times out of time, I'm going with that jolly.
Speaker 2: I like mango flavoring more than mangoes exactly.
Speaker 3: That's my point. That's my point. And while I know
Speaker 3: that that is is not believable. While while I know
Speaker 3: that this is not obviously real life, but this is
Speaker 3: not very realistic. I actually prefer that I like my
Speaker 3: sugary candy cutter apes that way. I don't like whatever
Speaker 3: this was. And perhaps you know the fact that most
Speaker 3: of this happens at night, In fact, pretty much.
Speaker 2: All happens at night, right, oh thing, Yeah, one night.
Speaker 3: Maybe that the shadows and the lighting contributed to me
Speaker 3: not caring for this this chimp that I was seeing.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a glorified muppet. I really did not.
Speaker 3: The only the only parts that really I thought, like
Speaker 3: like brought it for me was the close ups when
Speaker 3: when the chimp is about to go, not the hands,
Speaker 3: not the hands, but I'm talking with the with the
Speaker 3: face and the jaws and the teeth and the and
Speaker 3: the eyes like the rest of it.
Speaker 2: I just I didn't. I did not care for so
Speaker 2: he heard in her hold on was Andy Cirkus in this?
Speaker 2: Was he the ape?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: He was, he was just a caesar in the plane
Speaker 2: of the He was the motion capture. Now did they
Speaker 2: had a motion capture? It was a blur.
Speaker 1: It was a blend, I should say, of motion capture
Speaker 1: with practical effects. So you heard it here first. Bulky
Speaker 1: says Alien Covenant is better than Aliens from the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties because it's practical effect.
Speaker 2: I gotta forget who I'm doing this. You know I'm screwing.
Speaker 1: I don't, but but but but I'm a practical effects sucker.
Speaker 1: I grew up on eighties whrror the thing Nightmare on
Speaker 1: Elm Street when he turns into a worm and he
Speaker 1: tries to eat her in Nightmare on Elm Street's three.
Speaker 1: I understand it's a puppet. I understand it looks stupid.
Speaker 1: CGI It twenty seventeen looks infinitely better than it from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, which one's scarier. For my money, it from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. And like I am a practical effects kind
Speaker 1: of guy. It's the way that I'm wired. So seeing
Speaker 1: this monkey move that way it looked I actually when
Speaker 1: you make your next point. I'm going to look up
Speaker 1: the budgets because the fact that they were able to
Speaker 1: make that monkey look the way that he did with
Speaker 1: the budget that I have to assume this movie has.
Speaker 3: I think I know what it is. You can look
Speaker 3: it up to confirm. What's your guess. I'm what it was.
Speaker 3: I think I think you are more than doubling what
Speaker 3: it was. I want to say it was like less
Speaker 3: than fifteen, like less than twelve.
Speaker 2: You can look it up.
Speaker 1: It's but but I was won to twenty four, right,
Speaker 1: roles you still wont all right, well, but you were
Speaker 1: much closer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, so in regards to this this Chimp, I did
Speaker 3: not the fact that the realistic aspect and the way
Speaker 3: that they portrayed the chimp in this, to me was
Speaker 3: not the most agreas Like I I was not upset
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: In the moment while I'm watching it.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe at times I was, but mostly it
Speaker 3: was like the decisions that the chimp was making and
Speaker 3: how they really really.
Speaker 2: Villainified. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a word, but yeah, but
Speaker 2: I know what you meant. Yeah, that was a good word.
Speaker 3: With just because he had raised so so rabies to me,
Speaker 3: it makes you more of like a mindless zombie type
Speaker 3: thing where you can't control what you're doing. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: was actually spiteful, resentful, hateful behavior. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just and and to me, that was that covered up
Speaker 3: the whole. Like I was more ticked off about that
Speaker 3: than I was about the.
Speaker 1: That's our biggest I think that's our biggest disconnect on
Speaker 1: that movie. When they took it that way, it was it.
Speaker 1: That was the plot I will I will say this,
Speaker 1: it was more original. Yeah, I wouldn't say that's a twist.
Speaker 1: That's not a plot twist. It's not a twist, but
Speaker 1: I guess it's a nice spin.
Speaker 2: It's not. It was a spin twist.
Speaker 1: It was a spin on what it normally is because
Speaker 1: again it's like Deep Blue Sea. We can all gree
Speaker 1: Deep Blue Sea's awesome. It might be the smartest animal
Speaker 1: in the world, but it's still just an animal. Like
Speaker 1: that's always what these movies come back to, as you're
Speaker 1: dealing with an animal that doesn't hate you. It's just
Speaker 1: an animal. This is the first time I've seen it
Speaker 1: where like it's like, oh no, this animal seems to
Speaker 1: hate these people. Did it loved twelve hours ago.
Speaker 3: Even to the point where who's the main character, Lucy, Yes,
Speaker 3: even to the point where you're thinking they're having a
Speaker 3: moment towards the end of the movie.
Speaker 2: This is the big redemption, like all that was so good.
Speaker 3: This is like the whole walking Dead aspect of of
Speaker 3: like some of the people who believe that there's still
Speaker 3: a portion of that person still alive in that brain somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which ultimately they're not there never are, but but people
Speaker 3: believe that, and I start getting you know, start sucked in, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's the redeeming.
Speaker 2: Question because I said, nothing surprised me in this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I I don't know. I watched that in the
Speaker 2: moment and I was like, huh, but I wasn't surprised,
Speaker 2: not at all. I expected it.
Speaker 1: I expected it, honestly. By the way, one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty million for Kingdom of the Planet of the Ape.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, say that one hundred and sixty million
Speaker 1: for the most recent oh my god, wow, versus twenty
Speaker 1: one million for this and this is the monkey that
Speaker 1: they could. So I'm just saying it was it was
Speaker 1: a pretty impressive feat here. I I kind of liked
Speaker 1: that spin. I liked it. The monkey was named Ben
Speaker 1: that felt that felt like it.
Speaker 3: What's the significance of that name? I was like, is
Speaker 3: that an homage to him? Like?
Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2: What's What's what?
Speaker 1: I struggled with though, And you know, this is how
Speaker 1: I watch movies. I cannot for the life of me,
Speaker 1: and I did not look it up for the purposes
Speaker 1: of this podcast, and I kind of want to dive
Speaker 1: into it more in my free time later tonight. I
Speaker 1: could not figure out the subtext of this movie, Like
Speaker 1: when we watched Pogonia. It was such a strange movie
Speaker 1: with such a strange plot, and I understood what the
Speaker 1: director was saying about the theory of conspiracies and what
Speaker 1: people like I understood what the point was of the
Speaker 1: art that that director was making. I do not know
Speaker 1: what the point of this movie was outside of entertainment,
Speaker 1: Like I entertainment, don't you know everything Nothing is made
Speaker 1: without a point, not a single thing. I disagree with that,
Speaker 1: not a single thing.
Speaker 2: No. I think that.
Speaker 3: There are just some plots, there are some stories that
Speaker 3: seem very cool and we're gonna tell it. Yeah, But
Speaker 3: I think that there there are Ben, there are movies
Speaker 3: that exist without an agenda, like.
Speaker 1: Now, not an agenda, not an agenda, but like so
Speaker 1: for sake of argument, I realized this statement might be
Speaker 1: a little polarizing, but I always viewed like you're watching
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones and I was like, oh, yeah, the
Speaker 1: White Walkers are a metaphor for climate change, and everyone
Speaker 1: be like, what the hell you talking about? I said,
Speaker 1: it's a very slow moving threat that everybody in West
Speaker 1: Rows says is a myth that no one takes seriously
Speaker 1: until they see the evidence of it right in front
Speaker 1: of their face, and even then some people deny it.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I was like, hold on, there's a there's a thing
Speaker 1: to They're like, everything means something. You don't just make art.
Speaker 1: To macau no, I think you are you are. I'm
Speaker 1: not even a climate change not like I am one
Speaker 1: of those people. I think.
Speaker 3: I think you are inferring something that the artist did not.
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hold on, what's it's infern what's
Speaker 3: the other one? Ben insinuate? Yeah, you are inferring something
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 2: Not insinuated with that, Okay, I and I think to
Speaker 2: the point of Bogonia, you can tell yourself a story
Speaker 2: of everything meaning something, and in some cases you can
Speaker 2: tell yourself two different stories that something means, two different
Speaker 2: things that are on opposite end of the spectrum. Ah,
Speaker 2: what the hell is that supposed to mean? Like it's
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, here's an example, Dynasty Fantasy Football. A trade
Speaker 3: gets done, right, Yeah, somebody protests the trade because Team
Speaker 3: A is fleecing Team B. Sure, and then somebody else
Speaker 3: in the league is like, I can't believe Team B
Speaker 3: is getting all of this and Team you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's all a matter of perspective, right, Like
Speaker 3: if you choose to see something like that, if you
Speaker 3: choose to see the climate change aspect of the White
Speaker 3: Walkers a Game of Thrones, Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: Is that the intent? The intent? I don't know sure.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I've learned over the years
Speaker 2: is you never ever take what the creator says, what
Speaker 2: the artist says, what the auteur says. You never ever
Speaker 2: take them at their word of.
Speaker 3: What they say, what they think is going on there,
Speaker 3: because you can't trust them. Like there's been so many
Speaker 3: directors and specifically, like I think you can make the
Speaker 3: case for abstract artists or sculptors that will tell you
Speaker 3: something and they say they believe this. You have no
Speaker 3: idea if they're telling the truth or not. And sometimes
Speaker 3: they'll even admit years later. Yeah, I was just making
Speaker 3: that up in the moment.
Speaker 2: And so my whole point on this, Yeah, Ben, whatever
Speaker 2: media you consume, whatever art you consume, whatever you see,
Speaker 2: whatever you believe, it's there. But I'm saying it's not
Speaker 2: there for everybody. And in some cases the opposite would
Speaker 2: be there. You and I one hundred percent agree with that.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is there was nothing to infer from this.
Speaker 2: That's where that's my point. I like this plug. Listen, listen.
Speaker 2: It's like an SNL pitch meeting, okay, where you have
Speaker 2: these ideas in your head and you meet with the
Speaker 2: host and you pitch them these ideas. Hey, I want
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: A dinner, get together around a table, and everybody's high,
Speaker 3: but nobody knows everybody else is high.
Speaker 2: Right, that's fun. Let's do that.
Speaker 3: I have this idea a pet chimp, but it gets
Speaker 3: and it lives with the family, but it gets bit
Speaker 3: by a rabbit animal and becomes rabit and starts attacking people.
Speaker 3: There's no agenda, there's no like, there's no intent to
Speaker 3: give some sort of extra meeting there. It's a cool
Speaker 3: story that gets produced because hold on, because it's original
Speaker 3: in a time when Hollywood, quite frankly, for the last ten, fifteen,
Speaker 3: twenty years, has been very unoriginal and taking a chance
Speaker 3: on something that could spawn into as you said at
Speaker 3: the end of this movie.
Speaker 2: There's there's no there's no sequel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there could be a spin off, right when
Speaker 3: when cocaine Barrel'll take that. For instance, some of the
Speaker 3: guys I listened to on a radio show that's not
Speaker 3: in existence anymore, they said, what's next in this series,
Speaker 3: right right, meth shark, you know, instead of cocaine meth
Speaker 3: shark or.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, crack squirrel.
Speaker 2: Or heroin squid, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So there could be potential for this, right you know,
Speaker 3: primate to just like white lotus, totally different casts, totally
Speaker 3: different animal who knows. Okay, but I'm saying this is
Speaker 3: this is a time when if you find that little
Speaker 3: niche and it's cheap to make, would you.
Speaker 2: Say twenty million, twenty five million? Yeah? Four?
Speaker 3: And this conspawned is something. Let's take a shot and
Speaker 3: see what the American public wants. I don't think that
Speaker 3: there's you don't have to have some sort of intent
Speaker 3: and you can just make a cool movie because you're
Speaker 3: telling a cool story.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna hold you account to account
Speaker 1: for this because I'm pretty sure you haven't seen this movie,
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not gonna hold it over you.
Speaker 1: But there was a remake of the Anaconda movie that
Speaker 1: came out a little go a little bit ago, starring
Speaker 1: Paul Rudd and Jack Black. And in that movie, they
Speaker 1: start talking about.
Speaker 2: Don't have to bend.
Speaker 1: They start talking about making a movie with their friends,
Speaker 1: and they say, what does a movie need to be good? Themes?
Speaker 1: It needs motifs and they start generational tragedy achieving your
Speaker 1: dreams or lack thereof. And you understand that movie was
Speaker 1: a comedy too, right, But it was a meta narrative
Speaker 1: talking about making movies.
Speaker 4: And it shows you what was poking fun at people
Speaker 4: and people making these movies right for making certain movies, Yes,
Speaker 4: certain movies have inten Other movies are remake as this intent,
Speaker 4: like if they're a movie, that's why wouldn't have that
Speaker 4: that's my point.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 3: It's just like, hey, let's reboot Anaconda because it's cool.
Speaker 3: We need a paycheck. The studios will make this and
Speaker 3: people enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Polky. The whole point a Planet Condo was achieving your dreams,
Speaker 1: or at least pursuing your dreams, and what goes into
Speaker 1: trying to do that was the ultimately.
Speaker 2: That that was the message at the end, and it shows.
Speaker 1: Paul Rudd trying to achieve his dreams and being mad
Speaker 1: that he did it because of the personal elements. It
Speaker 1: showed Jack Black, who had the personal elements, who never
Speaker 1: made the plunge for the dream. That showed the woman
Speaker 1: who went to law school, who based on any accounts,
Speaker 1: that would be a dream for a ton of people listening,
Speaker 1: who was not happy with the trajectory she was on.
Speaker 1: Showing that dreams and achieving them are not exclusively linked
Speaker 1: to happiness. That was the theme of and Conda. Okay,
Speaker 1: no theme to private.
Speaker 3: Then maybe the theme if you want to talk about
Speaker 3: it in that vein, I can talk about the importance
Speaker 3: of family, the importance of not having an absent father, the.
Speaker 2: Importance there we go, there we go. But I'm saying,
Speaker 2: but I don't listen.
Speaker 3: If this is because I'm scraping up for a theme
Speaker 3: like trying to find it, that's not what does.
Speaker 2: It for me?
Speaker 3: Like and quite frankly, this movie didn't do it for me.
Speaker 3: But what kept me entertained was not this reuniting, this
Speaker 3: potential reuniting of this family at the end of it coming,
Speaker 3: you know, without their mother. The obviously he lost, you know,
Speaker 3: the mother has lost to cancer. The father's busy with
Speaker 3: this work. We don't know why that.
Speaker 1: This sister was distracted with college, you know, was pissed.
Speaker 1: He was like, I haven't seen you in forever, which
Speaker 1: was actually the plot to Final Destination six.
Speaker 2: It was. It was a splintering of the family and
Speaker 2: then they sort of came care all right.
Speaker 1: We found the theme, right, but.
Speaker 2: Okay, we had to look for it like he did.
Speaker 2: It's not and you love this movie. I do.
Speaker 3: And so my point is like, that's I think we're
Speaker 3: overrating that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, I'm not saying that. I said it
Speaker 1: was just unique to me that I couldn't find, Like
Speaker 1: I even what was it a week or two ago?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, con Air is h is
Speaker 1: right wing propaganda. But I love this movie, so who cares?
Speaker 1: But like, again, who says I'm right? I'm saying I
Speaker 1: can attribute it to it, But like that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Balky artists will put a line on a canvas and
Speaker 1: be like, what does that mean to you? And fifteen
Speaker 1: people tell you what that different things. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that my interpretation of any of these movies we're talking
Speaker 1: about is the only interpretation. I'm saying that there's an
Speaker 1: interpretation to be made, and that watching this movie, it
Speaker 1: seriously was you say you ever turn your brain off?
Speaker 1: You're such an active movie watcher. This was a brain off.
Speaker 3: I'm an active movie watcher in the sense of I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find out everything that is being shown and
Speaker 3: then what's not being shown. Yeah, So, like, for give
Speaker 3: you an example in this I was I was wondering
Speaker 3: for a good fifteen twenty minutes until I forgot about it.
Speaker 3: Why didn't we see the chimp get bitten by the mongoose? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why why was the choice made to not show that?
Speaker 1: I figured it was hard to shoot if I had
Speaker 1: to guess on the budget that had I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm just I'm just shooting from the hip pier.
Speaker 3: You talk about how good they did with the chimpanzee
Speaker 3: and they can't show a mongoose biting it.
Speaker 2: Give me a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you're right, all right?
Speaker 2: So that so I was questioning that. That's what I mean,
Speaker 2: not active you're talking like movie watching five.
Speaker 3: Point zero or something. We're like, well, now, what's the
Speaker 3: commentary here on the race of the single man young
Speaker 3: man in this in this story?
Speaker 2: Is what are we I don't don't do that? Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: you do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now maybe that's because of your day job. And sure,
Speaker 3: maybe it's hard to unplug from that.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, but like people went, uh, and we don't
Speaker 1: have to dive into the actual politics of it, but
Speaker 1: we dealt with it. When we saw Superman, there was
Speaker 1: a huge pushback to that because there was a very
Speaker 1: obvious you know, I don't know if it's allegory or
Speaker 1: metaphor with the appropriate term to use is there, but
Speaker 1: regarding what's going what had been going on in the
Speaker 1: Middle East, it was Yeah. When it was filmed and
Speaker 1: shot and ultimately released last summer, that's a freaking Superman
Speaker 1: movie where he's punching a guy adorned in a gold
Speaker 1: metal suit in the face in the middle of the sky,
Speaker 1: right with something to say about what's going on in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. Everything has some kind of agenda, even
Speaker 1: the simplicity of don't be violent to criminals. Otherwise you
Speaker 1: are a criminal. And that's the whole point of Batman. Okay,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be some deep seated meaning. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I get that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, as far as as that goes, I
Speaker 3: think again, you you infer that. But it could just
Speaker 3: be part of the plot too. And I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that specific a y yeah, sure, sure, sure, but I'm
Speaker 3: saying stuff in general. You know, it could just be
Speaker 3: a device of telling a story, not necessarily a representation
Speaker 3: of something going on in the real world. Now, I
Speaker 3: think there are certain obvious ones. I mean, good Fortune Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that was hit you in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of wealth inequality theming going on, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff that we're watching Running Man Caught Stealing good Fortune.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty similar theme that pops up in all
Speaker 1: of these I think resonates and I will say I
Speaker 1: thought it when I was watching it yesterday there's a
Speaker 1: lot of movies out there right now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because we're more transient than we've ever been.
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, I'm talking to you right now, five
Speaker 1: states away from anybody I grew up with. That. I
Speaker 1: think that maybe there's more people that are living away
Speaker 1: from their hometown than there ever have been. But I've
Speaker 1: noticed a lot of movies kind of leaning into that.
Speaker 2: Where have you been?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in a year and a half.
Speaker 1: It's been so long since i've so clearly there's stuff
Speaker 1: going on, and I'm very disconnected from the social media world,
Speaker 1: so I oftentimes.
Speaker 2: You're disconnected from the social I'm trying.
Speaker 1: To get more connected, given what we do for a living,
Speaker 1: but I really don't like I'm only just starting. I've
Speaker 1: had my face. I looked at it. I've had my
Speaker 1: Facebook accounts since two thousand and six, and I haven't
Speaker 1: posted four hundred times since that's twenty years.
Speaker 2: That is pretty crazy, twenty posts a year, I will say,
Speaker 2: as far as not that anybody cares about this.
Speaker 3: I used to make a point because I manage a
Speaker 3: bunch of social media accounts for work and everything, and
Speaker 3: I tried to make a point of posting at least three.
Speaker 2: Times a week on my personal stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, unless I think the last Instagram post
Speaker 3: I had is when I met Rich Eisen at the
Speaker 3: NFL Draft O nice, Like, unless it's something like that,
Speaker 3: I just don't post.
Speaker 2: This year that I had that I don't know that happen.
Speaker 2: That's pretty quol. Oh, yeah, I didn't tell you that.
Speaker 2: I was just walking back to my car and the
Speaker 2: whole NFL network crew is coming out. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: Green Bay.
Speaker 3: You can't hide like walking down the street to their
Speaker 3: hotel or whatever is Yeah, Daniel, Jeremiah and the whole group.
Speaker 3: All right, anyway, and then I see these people like
Speaker 3: my my one of my friends calls it brag book
Speaker 3: instead of Facebook. The only time you're posting on Facebook
Speaker 3: is the brag about you know. And obviously the stuff
Speaker 3: you put on social media is not a reflection of
Speaker 3: how your life goes, absolutely, because you're putting the best,
Speaker 3: the best of it's your greatest hits that go on
Speaker 3: social media or whatever.
Speaker 2: And so if I'm gonna do that, it's just like
Speaker 2: what's the point? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then and then like, if I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 3: and be real. That requires way too much, you know,
Speaker 3: of like posting and stuff. And it's just like I
Speaker 3: don't there are certain parts of my life that I
Speaker 3: just ignore and I shouldn't, you know, because they're important.
Speaker 2: I don't have time to pay attention to other people's lives.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's sort of how I believe, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, when when I'm thinking about posting something,
Speaker 2: unless it's uproarously funny or like a very cool moment,
Speaker 2: it's like, what am I putting these people through? Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no there's no point in you know.
Speaker 3: I get annoyed when I see stuff like people like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, my wife, God bless her. She just
Speaker 3: went to see the Backstreet Boys in Las Vegas and
Speaker 3: she posted all these like photos and videos and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, who the hell is watching this crap?
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, and like I get it, and like
Speaker 3: it's her thing. I'm not going to tell people how
Speaker 3: to social media. You do you, but like I'm just
Speaker 3: like I'm out the game, son, Yeah, out the game.
Speaker 1: One one of the only pictures I have of myself
Speaker 1: in my apartment is me at a concert and someone
Speaker 1: took a picture facing me and the rest of the crowd,
Speaker 1: and it's me surrounded by a bunch of people and
Speaker 1: it's like forty seven people holding their phone up filming
Speaker 1: and me with my hands in my pockets, just with
Speaker 1: a shitty ing grap See.
Speaker 2: That's a great model. That's hilarious photo.
Speaker 1: But I do appreciate that one very much. But the
Speaker 1: reason I even bring it up, and to tie it
Speaker 1: into what we were talking about, I think I even
Speaker 1: remember you might this might be your your line, but uh,
Speaker 1: it felt like watching Good Fortune. It was almost like
Speaker 1: a Z's when writing the script, just went on redd
Speaker 1: and saw what people's frustration, where frustrations were with the economy.
Speaker 1: This sounds like something you haul and then wrote a script.
Speaker 1: And I think that kind of lends it lends into it.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes I wonder if I miss stuff because
Speaker 1: I'm like an old soul, as John McClain says, I'm
Speaker 1: a time X watch in a digital age, I kind
Speaker 1: of miss out on this stuff. But I very rarely
Speaker 1: watch a movie for ninety minutes and come out of
Speaker 1: it being like, what the hell was he trying to
Speaker 1: say with that movie? Even from my own perspective, even
Speaker 1: if I'm way off base. I just never feel that way,
Speaker 1: and like, to a certain extent, I kind of appreciate that,
Speaker 1: because to me, this was just a fun I was
Speaker 1: uneasy for ninety minutes. I was like, oh, where is this?
Speaker 3: There were times where I felt like that, you know where,
Speaker 3: and there was there was some drama to it a
Speaker 3: little bit, and you know, having to you know, make
Speaker 3: sure you're super quiet and like to a quiet place.
Speaker 2: Level, yeah, or don't breed or don't breath level of
Speaker 2: being quiet. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 3: The whole glass shard, you know, oh that was and
Speaker 3: I knew that was gonna come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was kind of fun. That was cool.
Speaker 1: Yes, But but and I even was watching that happen,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did you not see that?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Mynor mom was like, Ben, you'd be looking for the monkey, like,
Speaker 1: don't tell yourself, you would be looking at the ground.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're right, yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's the one thing that I always I think
Speaker 3: gets lost in this a little bit, the whole panic
Speaker 3: of like some critics said, there is there's a lot
Speaker 3: of screen.
Speaker 2: Shouting in this movie where you're like, what are you doing,
Speaker 2: don't you know?
Speaker 3: But again, you don't think rationally in these situations, especially
Speaker 3: when it.
Speaker 2: Comes up on this so like like the whole phone thing,
Speaker 2: you know, you know where they revisit that several times, and.
Speaker 1: Especially if you're not one of the family members. Like
Speaker 1: even if one of my best friends had a monkey,
Speaker 1: I'd only have so much interaction with that monkey, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't know what it acts
Speaker 1: like normally. I don't know where it hides, I don't
Speaker 1: know its habits, Like a lot of the people are
Speaker 1: not familiar with Ben the chimp, and I think we're
Speaker 1: by the way, using monk and chimp and gorilla like
Speaker 1: completely and loose, like I don't know which one it
Speaker 1: actually is.
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that offensive?
Speaker 1: Not offensive?
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's right.
Speaker 1: It's a check. It's yeah, all right, I didn't even know.
Speaker 1: But it's not like you weren't a friends guy. But
Speaker 1: it's not like Ross's chimp. It's I watched Frends.
Speaker 2: Okay, so remember I don't rewatch Friends, sure, but I
Speaker 2: watched Friends. Yeah it's Marcel. Yeah, yeah, it's not like that.
Speaker 2: It's not friendly like that.
Speaker 1: But uh, there were a lot of moments I actually
Speaker 1: I still have rotten tomatoes up just from a moment ago.
Speaker 1: And it even says I feel like this is you
Speaker 1: for the first stelf. It says viewers don't mind nondescript
Speaker 1: characters and questionable narrative logic. The film should be a
Speaker 1: fun utterly forgettable Nerve Shredder is the way that.
Speaker 2: Except for nerve Shredder. Yeah, I agree, it's you know,
Speaker 2: totally accurate.
Speaker 3: I think that this this movie, it was what Now
Speaker 3: here's the other thing, ben, as we look to our
Speaker 3: next project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is two animal movies. You know that you
Speaker 2: loved one of them, did not like the other. I didn't,
Speaker 2: I did not care, and normally I love monster animal movies.
Speaker 2: There's a movie coming out, I believe it's this coming weekend,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's seeing a wide release, sure,
Speaker 2: called Killer Whale.
Speaker 3: And it's about two people in an ocean that are
Speaker 3: being hunted and attacked by this killer whale. Again, on
Speaker 3: the surface, this seems awesome, right, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if I want to do it.
Speaker 1: Three, let me let me put a bow on Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, And I just want to put a bow
Speaker 1: on the whole narrative thing for a second. Here Frozen.
Speaker 1: We just established we've both seen it, not the shitty
Speaker 1: Disney one, the one where they're in a in the
Speaker 1: ski the ski lift, right, Yeah, But I don't know
Speaker 1: how much you remember the plot. I've seen it two
Speaker 1: or three times, not in a very long time. But
Speaker 1: it features doesn't one of them jump breaking their legs,
Speaker 1: eaten by wolves and that character. So the three people
Speaker 1: in the ski lift are the dude who jumps and
Speaker 1: breaks his legs yea, his best friend since childhood, and
Speaker 1: a guy who jumps new girlfriend, and the dude from
Speaker 1: the following feels excluded from their relate. Like that's the
Speaker 1: whole theme of Frozen, is relationships evolving in this French
Speaker 1: that you've had for twenty years taking on a new
Speaker 1: form with this girl entering. And this is all encapsulated
Speaker 1: in a movie of three early twenty something's getting stuck
Speaker 1: on a ski lift and they kind of hide this
Speaker 1: little narrative. And then that's the guy that dies first.
Speaker 1: And now the dude who hated this woman for taking
Speaker 1: his best friend and the woman who's like, when you're
Speaker 1: going to stop hanging out with this loser have to
Speaker 1: figure out how to coexist and find their way down
Speaker 1: the mountain all snuck into this, Like, I'm willing to
Speaker 1: bet Killer Whale has some kind of narrative about isolation
Speaker 1: or something not that I want to see it. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know it was advertised. I can't believe that's
Speaker 1: getting a theatrical right.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is. I just know it
Speaker 2: comes out.
Speaker 3: I mean it could be like you know, it could
Speaker 3: be one of these things where it's like not available
Speaker 3: to us here or what.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure, let's let's do the thing
Speaker 1: where we rate and then we just discuss live on
Speaker 1: the show what we're going to do next. So I'm
Speaker 1: in like the I'm ahead of you. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 1: six and a half or seven on this one.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've bond this low before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought you.
Speaker 3: When I initially decided on four, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: Commons is probably gonna talk up and I'll get it
Speaker 3: up to a five.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. Yeah, I just this is.
Speaker 3: And now for anybody who's like, oh god, baal key,
Speaker 3: you can't four, give me a break. These are not
Speaker 3: my type type of movie, right, No, And so so
Speaker 3: I think that you have to understand, like if you're Ben.
Speaker 3: If you are if you like this type of movie,
Speaker 3: listen to Ben right like that, the his is much
Speaker 3: more of an accurate reflection of what how good this
Speaker 3: movie is.
Speaker 1: That's such a good point. I think that's such a
Speaker 1: good thing to say. I always I think anime is
Speaker 1: one of the dumbest things on the planet. Like I
Speaker 1: do not enjoy watching anime. I very rarely see something
Speaker 1: and enjoy what I saw. Princess Manhunoke, which is an
Speaker 1: anime ten, is one of the most beautiful things I've
Speaker 1: really seen. If I say that, if you hear if
Speaker 1: you would have came in and said Primates an eight,
Speaker 1: go see that movie, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that carries weight with it when you're open about that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, because now we know what kind of
Speaker 1: stuff you like, what I like, and kind of where
Speaker 1: that where that fits into what any when listening might
Speaker 1: think about this. Yeah, so I think that's a really
Speaker 1: good one.
Speaker 3: So if they did do like some sort of Primate
Speaker 3: two where it's like a gorilla, sure, or some sort
Speaker 3: of spider monkey or something, you're.
Speaker 2: In, Yeah, for sure, I get like a like a
Speaker 2: brand new.
Speaker 1: Cast to Yeah, Yeah, I think I would enjoy it,
Speaker 1: especially if it up the ante, but I would say
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like like when Saw eleven comes out,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see it and I'm gonna expect it
Speaker 1: to be good, Like even though it's the eleventh installation
Speaker 1: of something, Well, I don't know that i'd have. I
Speaker 1: think this might have been lightning in a bottle, but
Speaker 1: I'd give it a shot based on what I enjoyed
Speaker 1: from the first one. Okay, but I don't know that
Speaker 1: I would have. I'd go in with my expectations at
Speaker 1: a point where if it were good, Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: even like I'll go bring it one final time to
Speaker 1: Don't Breathe Too. I was ecstatic for that movie to
Speaker 1: come out because the first one caught me so off
Speaker 1: guard and the second one once you take that director out.
Speaker 1: I actually rewatched the first one in anticipation of the
Speaker 1: second one, and I was more tense watching the first
Speaker 1: one a second time than I was watching the second one. Wow,
Speaker 1: And like, so it really is that you remember everything
Speaker 1: that happened a sort of. I mean, it's it's definitely
Speaker 1: touch and go. I highly anyone listening to this that, like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell right out don't breeze better than primate. So
Speaker 1: if you want to in terms of being chased by
Speaker 1: a thing in a house, that's probably the best of
Speaker 1: that genre.
Speaker 3: The other thing, too, I will say, is I had
Speaker 3: a very busy day yesterday. I mean all my days
Speaker 3: are busy, and this got pushed off and I saw
Speaker 3: it very late last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm sure like I was not in
Speaker 2: the greatest frame of mind to serve as well.
Speaker 1: And I conversely just found out Tomlin had stepped down
Speaker 1: and I was on cloud nine. Right, So.
Speaker 2: You could have seen a movie with puppies being murdered
Speaker 2: in front of it. Yeah, that wasn't was that bad?
Speaker 2: I understood the intent of the director. I'm doing that.
Speaker 1: I think I've opened myself up to those kind of
Speaker 1: jokes exactly which people will enjoy it. Yeah, next week,
Speaker 1: And here's the deal. Let me tell you, So, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be our last one for a while, because
Speaker 1: I'm going to tie Land for the next two weeks.
Speaker 1: So we need to pick something that, in all likelihood,
Speaker 1: whenever we choose not to see, is probably gonna be
Speaker 1: gone by the time.
Speaker 2: We do this.
Speaker 3: This is what I'll say, Because we've we've done this already,
Speaker 3: but the twenty eight days later Bone Collector.
Speaker 1: That's what's advertised right in front of my face here
Speaker 1: on Rotten Tomatoes as I was looking at that. That
Speaker 1: feels since we saw the further or the technically the
Speaker 1: first one, given, this seems to start a new chronology.
Speaker 2: This this these movies were shot back to.
Speaker 1: Back, yes, and I do we know?
Speaker 2: Is this? It is there? Like I didn't even know
Speaker 2: no second one, No kid, there could be another one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm down for that of releases on Thursday,
Speaker 1: so we can pitch it.
Speaker 3: So I think we should do that. And this will
Speaker 3: be the first time, well I shouldn't say the first time.
Speaker 3: This will be the first time we've we've.
Speaker 2: Worked on a movie review and then left it alone
Speaker 2: and come back to it several months later, right, because
Speaker 2: we did the John Wicks and Ballerina that was all
Speaker 2: right next to each other, right, you know, But now
Speaker 2: we've had time to let the twenty eight years later, yeah, Breathe,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 1: Available on Netflix, right, okay, yeah for anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 3: Watch that one and then watch Bone Collector, which is
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do this weekend Temple.
Speaker 1: Bone Collector was the Denzel Washington Bone.
Speaker 2: Bone which was a great That was a great movie.
Speaker 2: Who was Monica Potter? Was she in that? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: Monica Potter? Was she ended? Did she end up being
Speaker 2: a bad guy in that movie?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: The nurses a did Okay?
Speaker 1: A ten year old Ben predicted that by the way.
Speaker 2: Go on Along came of Spider.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hecky, Morgan Freeman, did you predict her that one?
Speaker 1: I think that was too complex for me watching it
Speaker 1: because there were a lot of moving pieces. Bone Collectors
Speaker 1: basically in one room the entire time, my child brain,
Speaker 1: and there's only like five characters, And I was like.
Speaker 2: Was Bone Collector he's like laid up in a bed.
Speaker 1: He's he's a quadriplegic. He's injured during some kind of
Speaker 1: event as a police officer.
Speaker 2: The heel turned for Monica Potter and along Cave of Spider. Yeah,
Speaker 2: chef y solid. That was good.
Speaker 1: That was solid. But yeah, okay, Bone Temple, I think
Speaker 1: sounds good and I'm I'm a convert anti twenty eight days,
Speaker 1: Like I was not impressed by the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and years later kind of converted me.
Speaker 2: So did you not like Weeks? I thought that was atrocious, Like,
Speaker 2: like Weeks, why the hell did we watch years later?
Speaker 2: If you were out of it?
Speaker 1: I even said in the episode that preceded it, I said,
Speaker 1: this might be the first time that I actively hate them.
Speaker 1: I said to you, I think, off the air, I
Speaker 1: want to do one of these where I crap on
Speaker 1: oh okay, And I think I even started the episode
Speaker 1: of it and I said, I came here wanting to
Speaker 1: hate this movie, and I actually really.
Speaker 2: Got tough to do.
Speaker 3: Like it's easy to like, Okay, i'm gonna like this movie,
Speaker 3: because I do that all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna like this movie, and I do right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's tough to go into a movie saying like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is gonna suck and then it's like, wow, I
Speaker 3: was totally wrong about that.
Speaker 2: That's rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So I have high hopes
Speaker 1: for this and I look forward to discussing it.
Speaker 2: That's bulky. I'm Ben.
Speaker 1: You can catch us every Thursday at noon breaking down
Speaker 1: the biggest movie releases. Talk to you then,