Speaker 1: Welcome to dorking Out. My name is Sonia Mansfield and
Speaker 1: what are you talking to me for? She's the one
Speaker 1: with the gun. Joining me is my podcasting sister from
Speaker 1: another mister and the co host of Dorking Out, Margot Dee.
Speaker 2: Hello, my friend, Hello, my friend. This movie is badshit.
Speaker 1: It is bad shit. My favorite nineties thrillers. Whoo, we
Speaker 1: are dorking out about nineteen ninety nine's Double Jeopardy, which
Speaker 1: was a request from her. What a creep group, so
Speaker 1: thank you for the suggestion. Everybody over there, Yes, Directed
Speaker 1: by Bruce Beresford Berensford, Berensford, thank you, and written by
Speaker 1: David Weisberg and Douglas Cook. Stars Ashley Judd, who made
Speaker 1: a ton of these kinds of thrillers in the night.
Speaker 2: Yes, she certainly did, and she.
Speaker 1: Is very good at it, and Tommy Lee Jones, Bruce
Speaker 1: Greenwood and the Dish and a bad Fish. What a dish?
Speaker 2: That gish egg? I know, right, she's such gorgeous and
Speaker 2: the worst wig. I'm sorry, but that cannot be her hair.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. It does look like a wig, though,
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: Right, there's there's some wig action going on in this movie.
Speaker 2: That's like, er ruh. It's always funny to me because wigs,
Speaker 2: you can get great wigs. They just cost a little money.
Speaker 2: But it's it's surprising to me. And it's still in
Speaker 2: Hollywood movies where they spend multimillions just you know, the
Speaker 2: right kind of posters to have in a room and
Speaker 2: everything like that, and then somebody will say like, hey,
Speaker 2: this wig looks really funky. Yeah, it's fine. That's fine,
Speaker 2: it's fine, nobody will notice.
Speaker 1: The worst is the Andrew McCarthy wig.
Speaker 2: And uh, that's what I was just thinking. But there
Speaker 2: are others.
Speaker 1: You are very good at spotting a bad wig. It's
Speaker 1: like one of your many it's.
Speaker 2: One of my talents.
Speaker 1: Did you see this movie in the theater?
Speaker 2: I have no memory of seeing in the theater, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent saw this in the theater. I
Speaker 1: bet I saw this with my mom. That would be
Speaker 1: my guess we saw. You know, I used to go
Speaker 1: on Sundays with my mom. This seems like the kind
Speaker 1: of movie she would be all about.
Speaker 2: It's a very watchabul movie. Let me just say toats, like,
Speaker 2: it's very enjoyable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one hundred percent like a TBS Saturday Afternoon movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but seriously, just to go see a popcorn movie
Speaker 2: and just like sit there and just enjoy like the
Speaker 2: silliness of it, It's perfect.
Speaker 1: I feel like they these kinds of movies just go
Speaker 1: straight to Netflix now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like the last one I can remember is maybe the
Speaker 1: Girl from the Train was did you is that what
Speaker 1: it's called?
Speaker 2: Guy? Did that turn out terrible? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But it was another one where I was like, Emily, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, the fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 1: And I was like, but chowing all that popcorn? Like
Speaker 1: yes's but now these kinds of things go straight to
Speaker 1: Netflix or Lifetime or Yeah. But I I still really
Speaker 1: like them even though they're ridiculous, And this one's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but I still like it. So we have beautiful, beautiful
Speaker 1: Ashley Judd, Like she is gorgeous even when she's in prison,
Speaker 1: Like she looks totally gorge.
Speaker 2: Her skin is, oh my god, she's so pretty.
Speaker 1: So pretty, and she's married to Bruce Greenwood hunky, totally
Speaker 1: hunky that and he has aged like like yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gotten better looking the older he's like Timothy, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: got good description. They are married, They are wealthy. They
Speaker 1: like have a gorgeous son or you know, a gorgeous
Speaker 1: son in a gorgeous house. And they live right on
Speaker 1: the lake or the is it the lake, the ocean whatever.
Speaker 2: They have a sailboat. That's so it's somebody of water
Speaker 2: that can handle a sailboat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they are, you know, having a fabulous party,
Speaker 1: and Bruce Greenwood is talking about his bougie art with people,
Speaker 1: and like the Gish is there, who's like their best friend,
Speaker 1: and they're like clearly like they look like a happy,
Speaker 1: lovely couple, and the Gish is like, hey, let me
Speaker 1: watch your kid for you. So you guys can like
Speaker 1: go out on the sailboat and make it rock. And
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, let's do that. So they go on
Speaker 1: a little excursion on their sailboat, a little romantic get away,
Speaker 1: and yeah, they make the boat rocking. And she then
Speaker 1: later wakes up and Ashley Judd has who plays Libby
Speaker 1: by the way Libby Libby up and finds like blood
Speaker 1: on her hands, blood everywhere all over the boat and
Speaker 1: Nick is missing, and she's like at the you know,
Speaker 1: on the deck of the boat and she finds a
Speaker 1: knife and.
Speaker 2: Of course she picks it up. Of course she picks
Speaker 2: it up right nowadays because if we forensics has become
Speaker 2: very popular and people know we would touch that fuck
Speaker 2: because I think they yelled at, don't touch it. The
Speaker 2: fingerprints are on the fucking knife.
Speaker 1: Kick that shit into the ocean is what you do. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. She shouldn't have picked it up. And like
Speaker 1: the minute she picks it up, here comes the coast
Speaker 1: guard with their spotlight. Put the knife down, ma'am, you know,
Speaker 1: And it takes for It takes a while before they
Speaker 1: explain how the coast guard even showed up there, because
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen this since the theater and I was like,
Speaker 1: why is the coastguard even there? And it took finally,
Speaker 1: like what fifteen minutes later they explained that Nick actually
Speaker 1: called the coastguard from the boat after he had been
Speaker 1: stabbed and that's why they were there.
Speaker 2: But for like, so, yeah, he put something in her drink?
Speaker 2: Is that what it is? Because she just passed out,
Speaker 2: so it had to be right. He had to write
Speaker 2: drug because she unless she's a really deep deep sleeper, yeah, or.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe his penis really just knocked her ass out.
Speaker 2: She was digmatized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she knocked her out one shot for the night
Speaker 1: as Salt and Peppa liked to sing, so she slept
Speaker 1: through it. But yeah, they they searched the lake, the ocean, whenever,
Speaker 1: and they can't find Nick's body. And now they have
Speaker 1: enough though to charge her with murder. Do they really
Speaker 1: have enough? I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, they clearly do not. But yeah, it's the movie.
Speaker 2: This is the movie world they want us to believe in.
Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, I mean they have He doesn't even
Speaker 1: say that she did it when he calls the coastguard.
Speaker 1: He just says he's been stabbed. She's denied bail, even
Speaker 1: though like she has a kid and friends and family there.
Speaker 1: She doesn't seem like a flight risk.
Speaker 2: No, not a flight risk. And yeah, she's been traumatized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they don't and they again, they don't find
Speaker 1: the body, denied bail clear And then there's like a
Speaker 1: two million dollar life insurance, which doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but I mean years ago. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's still a lot of money. If I
Speaker 1: had two million dollars, I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be upset if I had two million dollars. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you, I would feel super rich if I
Speaker 2: had two million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it turns out Nick was also being investigated
Speaker 1: for embezzlement that she didn't know about. So honestly, you
Speaker 1: would think that the fact that they can't find a
Speaker 1: body and the.
Speaker 2: Fact that he owed money, yes, he was owing a
Speaker 2: big amount of money. And she has no record of
Speaker 2: any kind of violence, and they have no record of
Speaker 2: any kind of fighting between them unless the dish. The
Speaker 2: dish dish said something on the stand that said, oh,
Speaker 2: they were fighting all the time and she weren't, but
Speaker 2: we don't. I kind of like that they just kind
Speaker 2: of throw it in there. They don't really give us
Speaker 2: a long trial or anything. They just just drop us
Speaker 2: into the plot, which I always appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, it moves like they're yes, They're like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, she's guilty.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, no one believes her.
Speaker 1: Let's go, yeah, let's get her to prison. Hurry up,
Speaker 1: move along, because the movie's only like what and it's
Speaker 1: an hour forty five, so they're like, we don't have
Speaker 1: time for shenanigans. She is pretty pretty quickly. She realizes
Speaker 1: the trial's not going her way. She asks the gish
Speaker 1: to like adopt her four year old son. She's like
Speaker 1: that way she can take care of him while she
Speaker 1: is in prison. And so she goes to prison, still
Speaker 1: looking gorge by the way, like in her prison uniform,
Speaker 1: Like I wish, I wish I would look that great. So,
Speaker 1: you know, while she's like doing her Orange Is the
Speaker 1: New Black cosplay, the Gish like would show up and
Speaker 1: like visit and bring the little boy with her to visit,
Speaker 1: and it's very sad. You know, she's has to be
Speaker 1: with her son and she can't and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But then eventually she stops coming around.
Speaker 2: Only like a month later. Two yeah, damn. They're instantly
Speaker 2: like she's fucked, let's go, oh.
Speaker 1: Well, and Ashley Judd is freaking out. She's trying to
Speaker 1: like get a hold of them. She can't. She's trying
Speaker 1: to do all of this from like a prison phone,
Speaker 1: and she finally like tracks her down somewhere and when
Speaker 1: she calls and she's talking to the sun and then
Speaker 1: Nick walks in and the son's all daddy, and that's
Speaker 1: when she realizes that Nick faked the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: the dish.
Speaker 2: Is in on it, and they're in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: And they're in San Francisco now, and there's you know,
Speaker 1: she calls all these people, she's trying to tell them,
Speaker 1: but nobody believes her that. She just sounds like a
Speaker 1: crazy lady who's like, I'm innocent, and everyone's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all innocent.
Speaker 2: You know, roma mafia is there, Like who is? She's
Speaker 2: in a bunch of things in the nineties, like she
Speaker 2: was this character actor was just in everything, and she's
Speaker 2: always great what she's doing, always but always like the
Speaker 2: smartest too. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But the minute she's like, you know, I'm innocent, they're
Speaker 1: all like, yeah, me too, We're all innocent. And it's
Speaker 1: like he ran into my knife ten times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: believe did you see that?
Speaker 2: I sent you a clip from TikTok, Yes, and there's
Speaker 2: one here calls me Cornbread because I was making cornbread
Speaker 2: when I killed my husband.
Speaker 1: He ran into her knife twelve.
Speaker 2: I laughed so fucking hard. I'm sorry, y'all. It seemed
Speaker 2: like a post it someplace else because it was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go to a women's prison, I suspect
Speaker 1: most a lot of women, Yeah, had come in exactly,
Speaker 1: and they're all innocent, right, They're all in.
Speaker 2: It as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she now knows that Nick fake the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Her son is legally adopted by the Gish, so like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing she didn't do. Yeah, there's nothing she could
Speaker 1: do it. And so her fellow inmates convince her, like,
Speaker 1: you need to just you need to get out on
Speaker 1: good behavior, so like you need to be like a
Speaker 1: model prisoner, and they like prep her for when she
Speaker 1: goes to the parole board, which is very Shawshank redemption.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm reformed, I'm this, I'm that, you know,
Speaker 1: throwing some born again Christian shit. And she gets out.
Speaker 2: After six years, yeah for stabbing her husband.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well everyone must have hated that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he let's we know she didn't do it,
Speaker 1: but let's say she did six years.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I thought too.
Speaker 1: Okay, Sure, So she gets out after six years.
Speaker 2: With the same haircut.
Speaker 1: Find Yes, her hair hasn't grown at all, like.
Speaker 2: It has the nineties bob that a lot of women had.
Speaker 1: Yep, she hasn't changed up her look at all. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Internet has also become a thing while she's in prison,
Speaker 1: and I kind of like that she gets other people
Speaker 1: to do her Internet research for Throughout the.
Speaker 2: Movie, I had to stop for a second because I'm like,
Speaker 2: wait a second, this is nineteen ninety nine, Like where
Speaker 2: were we with the Internet? And I mean everybody had email,
Speaker 2: but I don't think I had broadband or whatever until
Speaker 2: like I have a very I think it's two thousand
Speaker 2: and one. I think it might have been still dial
Speaker 2: up at this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had like good Internet at work, but right
Speaker 1: saying like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, we would use Napster at work because I
Speaker 2: couldn't handle it at home. The server couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and there was no Facebook or any of that.
Speaker 1: There's no no, so you know, it's not like she
Speaker 1: could just like type a name into the Internet. And
Speaker 1: it's like, shows you.
Speaker 2: All this was there, even Google yet.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I probably not.
Speaker 2: Maybe Yahoo.
Speaker 1: You're all using.
Speaker 2: Yahoo or ask Jeeves. You had to ask Jeans, ask Jeeves.
Speaker 2: I made the ish that would have been a credit.
Speaker 2: My favorite is The Beach with Leonardo DiCaprio because he
Speaker 2: goes to an Internet cafe and he has an excite
Speaker 2: email address. I was like I did too. At one point.
Speaker 1: I definitely had an excite email. I also had a
Speaker 1: I had a Yahoo email for a long time.
Speaker 2: When I see I see a hotmail one occasionally too,
Speaker 2: or AOL and I'm like, what.
Speaker 1: My mom had a hot mail account until like two
Speaker 1: years ago. Wow, he was dedicated. Dedicated are the people
Speaker 1: that had Earthlink emails or Aol emails?
Speaker 2: AOL I. I was just talking with somebody the other
Speaker 2: day that was they have an a will address.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, holy shit, Now that's that's vintage it is.
Speaker 2: It's kind of old tiny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can kind of you might be able to
Speaker 1: sell that shit on eBay. Like maybe, So she gets
Speaker 1: out again, doesn't prison hasn't changed her at all. She
Speaker 1: her hair's the same, everything's the same. She gets out
Speaker 1: and they put her in a like parole halfway house
Speaker 1: that's run by Tommy Lee Jones, who Tommy Lee Jones. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of confused at why Tommy Lee Jones is
Speaker 1: in this movie. And it's not because I don't like
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jones. I like Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker 2: We all love him.
Speaker 1: But and he he's doing a good job, but.
Speaker 2: It's not a great script. I mean, he's not given
Speaker 2: much to do. I mean, he's a former when was
Speaker 2: he a former?
Speaker 1: He's a former law professor?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who now is a parole officer. But I'll say
Speaker 1: it's an alcoholic.
Speaker 2: Oh right, okay, so the alcoholism is what ruined his life. Yes,
Speaker 2: but he's Yeah, he's in charge of this women's halfway
Speaker 2: house and she tries, she attempts to flee at one point,
Speaker 2: and they get her pretty quickly. Yeah, but she's got
Speaker 2: to get out, she's got to find him because she's
Speaker 2: obsessed with getting her son back. Which I was going
Speaker 2: to ask you as your as a mother, would you
Speaker 2: be obsessed to get Calvin Beck?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I mean I might try. I don't know the
Speaker 1: legal routes first.
Speaker 2: Before turning into two fugitives for the rest of your lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like maybe maybe i'd make some calls, you know,
Speaker 1: I would think as his she did the Gish did
Speaker 1: adopt him, that I would imagine that as his birth mother,
Speaker 1: you would have some sort of rights in this situation.
Speaker 2: Well wait, did we mention that Gish married the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it turns out that she's in on it.
Speaker 1: She's married to him. The boy thinks that Ashley Judd
Speaker 1: died apparently, so like he doesn't even know that, Like
Speaker 1: his mom is out there, but the kid isn't living
Speaker 1: a lie in that the kid knows the truth really,
Speaker 1: I mean well kind of like he doesn't know that,
Speaker 1: like his dad like faked his death or whatever.
Speaker 2: But what a thing to explain, huh.
Speaker 1: But he must be like, what the fuck? I thought
Speaker 1: you were dead and now mom's in prison for murdering you.
Speaker 1: But you're alive.
Speaker 2: But you're alive, but she's really dead, and nobody knows that.
Speaker 2: The Internet's just going to get more powerful and easier
Speaker 2: to use. Because I was like, that's going to be
Speaker 2: an awkward conversation he's going to have with his son
Speaker 2: when he starts to figure shit out, like it does.
Speaker 2: It does a Google search one day and.
Speaker 1: Boom, yeah, son, we have to have two talks. One
Speaker 1: is about the birds and the bees and the others
Speaker 1: about how you're mom was didn't actually die.
Speaker 2: In person, How I met your mother, How I met
Speaker 2: your mother your second mother?
Speaker 1: I mean the original cut, the original cut of that show,
Speaker 1: but they decided to lean in on the comedy. I
Speaker 1: guess there's a whole thing where like before she fully
Speaker 1: starts breaking into places and going fugitive. She does go
Speaker 1: to like a library and is trying to use the internet,
Speaker 1: and like some younger guys like hey, hey, Ashley Judd,
Speaker 1: you know, let me help you. And then she says like,
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to do this because I
Speaker 1: was convicted of killing my husband. And he's like, whoa
Speaker 1: peace out. I'm like, good line, I'm gonna start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta remember that one. Sure, we can go
Speaker 2: for coffee. You don't mind my parole officer joining us,
Speaker 2: do you?
Speaker 1: So instead of again like calling the police or maybe
Speaker 1: getting a lawyer or any of those things.
Speaker 2: Or the media or the media exactly, stay show. Just
Speaker 2: go to Rockefeller Cender knock on a door, right, Yo,
Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe this batshit story, but it's true.
Speaker 1: Also, she's so photogenic, like I mean, how she would
Speaker 1: have a whole Netflix documentary about her. But Netflix wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing yet. So if she could have just waited
Speaker 1: like fifteen more years, like she could have that Netflix
Speaker 1: documentary and make that sweet streaming money. She pretty quickly
Speaker 1: violates curfew, breaks into like Maddie's old school. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: her son's old school to find Angela's that's the gish
Speaker 1: like her forwarding address, I guess, and that's I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then like the cops instantly show up, totally crazy
Speaker 1: police presence for like a random break in at an
Speaker 1: elementary school. There's like all kinds of right cops that
Speaker 1: show up. There's like a foot chase. The car like
Speaker 1: flips over.
Speaker 2: Like this, and they keep running after her. They flip
Speaker 2: over and they and she she still isn't able to
Speaker 2: outrun them. They get into a flipped over car scenario
Speaker 2: down a ditch and they just hop out like they're
Speaker 2: like Kendricks Lamar's after the show booms, but a scratch,
Speaker 2: get your ass back here.
Speaker 1: Ashley Mere flesh wound exactly, Ashley, I heard you, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm young, and they're.
Speaker 2: Just going after her a minor.
Speaker 1: So, they they catch her, They put her in cups,
Speaker 1: take her to jail, and then Tommy Lee Jones shows
Speaker 1: up because he's and he's gonna take her back to
Speaker 1: not the halfway house. I guess he's gonna take her
Speaker 1: back to jail because.
Speaker 2: She like, yeah, I'm gonna think that's a oral violation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a little bit breaking and entering this is
Speaker 1: this park is so dumb and that's why I love
Speaker 1: it so much. So he gets her out of jail,
Speaker 1: puts her in his like janky car, and then they
Speaker 1: get on the ferry and he's like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go get coffee, which he's gonna spike because again he's
Speaker 1: an alcoholic. And he handcuffs her to the door handle
Speaker 1: of the car, but he leaves the keys in the car.
Speaker 2: What And then she's fucking around because all the cars
Speaker 2: are in one spot, right, because that's how that's how
Speaker 2: a ferry works. If people are up if you're not
Speaker 2: hanging out in your car, you're gonna go upstairs and
Speaker 2: get a cup of coffee because you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: There's no reason to keep the engine running or to
Speaker 2: have your key. But anyway, he leaves her alone, and
Speaker 2: then she manages to get out, and there's one car
Speaker 2: that falls into the water that nobody sees, not one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's turned his car on and she's basically driving
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth, trying to like knock
Speaker 1: the door handle off so that she could free herself
Speaker 1: from the cuffs. And while she's doing that, she's like bam, bam, bam.
Speaker 1: She's crashing into all these cars, knocks one into the ocean,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh, I wonder if we're gonna see
Speaker 1: any whales. Nobody, nobody can hear that.
Speaker 2: Nobody. There's a good tune of Sandwich Man as you
Speaker 2: get one. It's delicious. No one notices this red car
Speaker 2: just flying offah and then finally, yeah, but then he
Speaker 2: finally he could see her upstairs. He looks down to
Speaker 2: check on her, and he could see that she's up
Speaker 2: to Shenanigans trying to get away. So he runs. I
Speaker 2: love that word. So he runs down. He gets in
Speaker 2: the car with her, and then they land in the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she drives it right into the ocean and.
Speaker 2: They both escape because nothing can well but an but
Speaker 2: we mentioned that the Gish is dead by the way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we haven't got to that part yet.
Speaker 1: So she the car goes into the ocean. He's trying
Speaker 1: to like get a hold of her, and she like
Speaker 1: takes his gun and like hits him with it. She
Speaker 1: kicks his ass.
Speaker 2: She's been training at the gym. She knows how to
Speaker 2: like shakes with like a tampon and yeah, coat hanger
Speaker 2: or something she can just Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's been working on her fitness.
Speaker 2: And her weaponry and fighting back combat. Yeah, hand to
Speaker 2: hand combat.
Speaker 1: So he she like knocks him out basically, and they
Speaker 1: have to like pull him back to the ferry. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: she's like you like bite.
Speaker 2: Like she just swims paddle paddle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And now Tommy Lee Jones has to search every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse,
Speaker 1: hen house, out house, and doghouse to find her. He's thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my second oscar for this.
Speaker 2: Doctor Richard Kimball. I don't care.
Speaker 1: So she stops by her mom and visits her mom
Speaker 1: in another state. Her mom clearly has like tuck money
Speaker 1: like buried in the garden. It's like I always said
Speaker 1: there was money in these tomatoes or whatever, and like
Speaker 1: gives her a water, cash and a truck and sends
Speaker 1: her on her way. Also, she really should have just
Speaker 1: let her mom adopt her son, like her mom seems
Speaker 1: nice enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why didn't she do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, she liked Annabeths, she liked the Gish. They were friends, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were friends. She didn't suspect that there was something
Speaker 2: going on between her and which just happens. You know
Speaker 2: what happens. Yeah, the husband and the best friend yep,
Speaker 2: hair up with each other. But then he kills her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She she tracks the Gish down to like another address,
Speaker 1: and it turns out she died in a natural gas explosion.
Speaker 1: Totally normal, not suspicious.
Speaker 2: I think in their house, right, it was like the Yeah,
Speaker 2: the oven exploded or something.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not suspicious.
Speaker 2: Be suspicious'll be suspipicious.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and coincidentally, you know, Bruce Greenwood and the
Speaker 1: sun weren't there, total coincidence. So she now she's lost track,
Speaker 1: Like the Gish is dead, The supposedly dead husband has
Speaker 1: taken the sun and split town. But she notices in
Speaker 1: the newspaper article that he still has his stupid bougie
Speaker 1: painting in their home, and so she decides that's how
Speaker 1: to track him down, and she goes into like an
Speaker 1: art dealer and again gets somebody else to search the
Speaker 1: internet for her to find.
Speaker 2: An image of a painting by an artist and to
Speaker 2: see when was this soul to somebody.
Speaker 1: Yes, because apparently he's very attached to this painting. So
Speaker 1: little tip for you, if you're going to fake your
Speaker 1: own death, maybe don't hold onto your bougie art.
Speaker 2: They'd say, if you're gonna escape your identity, you need
Speaker 2: to get rid of everything. This is why people fail
Speaker 2: at it, because you have to get rid of all
Speaker 2: the things, Like you like baseball. You would have to
Speaker 2: be somebody that doesn't pay attention to baseball, correct, you know,
Speaker 2: or you're somebody you walk your dogs every day at
Speaker 2: a certain time, like you have to. You just have
Speaker 2: to change everything about yourself, so that including your hair.
Speaker 2: By the way, actually Judd doesn't dye her hair blonde
Speaker 2: or the wig on, just short hair like you could
Speaker 2: be in disguise. Yes, take her wig, snatch that wig
Speaker 2: and head off. But heart's unknown. But no, she's looking
Speaker 2: for Maddie. And she does find out that Annabeth Gish
Speaker 2: it was dead and under weird circumstances, but nobody questioned it,
Speaker 2: and so Bruce Greenwood and the Sun are now. So
Speaker 2: she's trying to look for him because through him she
Speaker 2: can find her son, because she's not sure where her
Speaker 2: son is because she's pretty sure he's not going to
Speaker 2: actually raise that kid. That's not what he's in too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not his jam.
Speaker 2: No, he says, for missus, missus number.
Speaker 1: Three who will also die under Yes, seriously, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: So she finds out that like he's in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: She goes there. Now he's running like some hotel or something,
Speaker 1: and he's got a new name. The kid isn't there.
Speaker 1: It turns out he's going to some private school in Georgia. Again,
Speaker 1: does the kid not know that his dad has new names?
Speaker 1: Is he whatever? It doesn't matter. You're not supposed to
Speaker 1: think too hard. But that's one of the joys of
Speaker 1: these kinds of movies. So she goes to the hotel,
Speaker 1: she like charges a fancy dress on someone else's room,
Speaker 1: goes to like, I guess they're doing like a bachelor
Speaker 1: auction to raise money for something I don't know, and
Speaker 1: she like bids on her supposedly dead husband. She looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I mean that was at the commercials. That was in
Speaker 2: the trailer, Like how she looks, and she's stunning, stunning, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she outbids some other woman and the other
Speaker 1: woman's like, go ahead, and him, honey, he's not worth it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, you just dodged a bullet and you
Speaker 1: don't even know it. So like she bids on him.
Speaker 1: She confronts him, and she's like, you know, ask him,
Speaker 1: point blank, how long were you an angie fucking before
Speaker 1: you decided to get rid of me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wrote down that exact quote because I don't know
Speaker 1: why why.
Speaker 2: I don't know why why would that trigger anything in you?
Speaker 1: So yes, I don't know, but I wrote it down
Speaker 1: word for word, and he makes up all these lines.
Speaker 2: And it wouldn't be hilarious if like one of her
Speaker 2: friends was on ambient and like sent him messages like
Speaker 2: like I did to your ex, Like she just said
Speaker 2: some fucked up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I should be grateful that know
Speaker 1: that the law wasn't involved, And Jesus, dude, just get
Speaker 1: a divorce.
Speaker 2: Exactly why don't you have to marry the second one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like everything he's doing for a little bit of
Speaker 1: a back to Fargo, all of this for a little
Speaker 1: bit of money. Yeah, what Ashley Judd is doing to
Speaker 1: get her son makes more sense to me than what
Speaker 1: Bruce Greenwood is doing just to get a little bit
Speaker 1: of money. I'm like, just get a fucking job, man,
Speaker 1: file bankruptcy, get a divorce.
Speaker 2: And this is like how high speed internet access changed everything.
Speaker 2: Because she's not in disguise. He's not in disguise either.
Speaker 2: He looks exactly the same. But people thought he died
Speaker 2: in just a couple of states over. It's like they're
Speaker 2: up an Oregon or something, and now they're in that's
Speaker 2: not far, y'all. It's an hour flight by plane like
Speaker 2: that kind of news. Could try there anyway, grow a mustache,
Speaker 2: nothing didn't tag, his hair, didn't go gray, no ven.
Speaker 1: So like he gives her all these all this bullshit.
Speaker 1: He totally tries to gas lighter, like I tried to
Speaker 1: fake my death so you know I wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: go to prison for embezzlement. I didn't think they'd really
Speaker 1: convict you. You know, all this bullshit. And she's just like, bitch,
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like give me my kid, I don't care.
Speaker 1: And they make some deal where like they're gonna meet
Speaker 1: the next day and he's gonna give her Maddie and
Speaker 1: she's gonna peace be with you. She's like, I'll give
Speaker 1: a fuck, enjoy your hotel and your new fake name
Speaker 1: and all these things. But he can't let that happen. Also,
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jones shows up at the auction and he
Speaker 1: continues to like just miss her. He's like constantly missing
Speaker 1: her by like a minute, over and over and over
Speaker 1: in this movie. What happens?
Speaker 2: Then he.
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jones like talks to the dead husband. He
Speaker 1: also doesn't think. He doesn't know that's the dead husband.
Speaker 1: He hasn't bothered to look at a picture right before this,
Speaker 1: like maybe look at a she has already told you
Speaker 1: what she's doing, and you have bothered to look.
Speaker 2: He could have looked this up on the internet. There
Speaker 2: were lots of places, lots of newspapers were on the
Speaker 2: internet by then, trust me, Like he could look up
Speaker 2: local news and find it. Yes, yeah, but he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't bother So like he he goes he meets the
Speaker 1: dead husband. He's like, I don't know, man, she's super
Speaker 1: fixated on you.
Speaker 2: Burn dn't d darn dunt.
Speaker 1: And then he goes back to a police station and
Speaker 1: then he looks him up and finds out, oh, he's
Speaker 1: not dead. She's right. Finally looks up the picture dead husband.
Speaker 1: Supposedly dead husband arranges to meet Ashley Judd at a
Speaker 1: cemetery she.
Speaker 2: Says in Orleans.
Speaker 1: In New Orleans, she says, it's very touristy and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people around, but apparently not because he
Speaker 1: fully knocks her out and like.
Speaker 2: He has a kid playing Maddie. So she's like chasy
Speaker 2: and I was like, it's a it's a trap, dummy,
Speaker 2: that's not your son. But she's running around and he's
Speaker 2: and then yeah, it really shocked me. Like he knocks
Speaker 2: her head against a wall and throws her out, damn
Speaker 2: Mauz liam type thing, and.
Speaker 1: He knocks her in a coffin with a dead body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what fucking nightmare? Fuel Like, oh, I would never be clean.
Speaker 1: I would show ever the rest of my life. I
Speaker 1: would be so horrified. But again, she wanted to meet
Speaker 1: him there because it was public, but he has no
Speaker 1: problem just fucking knocking her out, dragging her into this
Speaker 1: place and putting her in a coffin. No one says shit, like.
Speaker 2: No one saw it, no one, yep.
Speaker 1: But you know he's dumb. He didn't take her gun.
Speaker 1: So she like shoots the hinges off the coffin and
Speaker 1: escapes because she's a real smarty And that's when Tommy
Speaker 1: Lee Jones catches up with her and she starts crying
Speaker 1: and then he's like I got you, I got you, baby, girl,
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna make sure. It's like he's gonna help
Speaker 1: her now. And then we get this like standoff where
Speaker 1: like Tommy Lee Jones goes and confronts dead husband and
Speaker 1: he's like, I know you faked, you know. He confronts him,
Speaker 1: he tells him the whole story. It's like Scooby Doo.
Speaker 1: He tells him everything and he recorded it, including supposedly
Speaker 1: killing Ashley Judd. And here comes Ashley dud. You're not
Speaker 1: very good at keeping, promises Nick, and you know has
Speaker 1: her gun. And here's where double jeopardy comes into play,
Speaker 1: supposedly because she's already served her time for killing her husband,
Speaker 1: so in theory, she gets to kill him and it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. She can kill him and she won't do
Speaker 1: any jail time. That's not right, which is which is bullshit,
Speaker 1: which is total bullshit, because you're not charged with just
Speaker 1: killing your husband. They have to say by use of
Speaker 1: gun or poison or whatever, like the fact that they
Speaker 1: said she probably stabbed him to death and threw him overboard.
Speaker 1: If it turns out that's not what she did, but
Speaker 1: she shot him in the head instead, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: arrested for shooting him in the head, correct, because.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to do that, everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, the whole premise of the movie, the fact
Speaker 1: that it's called double ridiculous, Yes, like it is false. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she stabs him, dumps his body over the boat. That's
Speaker 1: what she was convicted for. If it turned out that
Speaker 1: she kills him in the middle of Marty Gras with
Speaker 1: a gun, that's a totally different crime. And she's gonna
Speaker 1: get charged again, but with.
Speaker 2: A handgun possession, with everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she kills him in the library with the candlestick,
Speaker 1: She's gonna get charged again. Whatever, it's fine. You have
Speaker 1: to let it go right, And you know, he at
Speaker 1: one point she shoots at him, but she like just
Speaker 1: like it just goes by him. She shoots his stupid
Speaker 1: fucking painting basically that he's clearly so obsessed with. And
Speaker 1: I wrote it in my notes, I hope he pete
Speaker 1: his pants a little bit when that happened. I would
Speaker 1: have liked that, but they didn't show that. And then
Speaker 1: they get into a big scuffle and everybody dies. No
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, he dies. The husband finally dies, and Tommy
Speaker 1: Lee Jones is going to get Ashley Judd her pardon
Speaker 1: and she goes and sees her kid and he's like,
Speaker 1: they told me you were dead, and then they hug
Speaker 1: poor kid. Yeah, fucking kid. I hope she gets them
Speaker 1: a therapist.
Speaker 2: I wonder what he's doing right now, like it's been
Speaker 2: over twenty five years. Like, yeah, the unpacking that trauma, yep,
Speaker 2: because it's enough that it's bad when it happens to you,
Speaker 2: but then when you get in relationships with other people,
Speaker 2: it's going to come up and you have to figure
Speaker 2: out what your story's going to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one hundred percent dumping that on some woman
Speaker 1: on Love is Blind. That's what I think. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know you're not watching that show, but the trauma dumping
Speaker 1: that goes yeah on that show is pretty epic.
Speaker 2: Well, it happened on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. There's
Speaker 2: a woman named Daurat and she and her husband are
Speaker 2: like Disney villains, Like they're just very goofy. They're always
Speaker 2: up to some schemes to make money, but they do
Speaker 2: it in the cheesiest way possible and they can't see that.
Speaker 2: So there's a new person, Bose who showed up in
Speaker 2: the show, and she came in and to read her
Speaker 2: husband are now separated. So they meet for the first time,
Speaker 2: and she really is like, my husband and I broke up.
Speaker 2: He's a raging alcoholic, I don't know what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And this person is just like so
Speaker 2: open to someone's trauma. She's like, oh, okay, And that's
Speaker 2: how they bond. It's just her going up to her
Speaker 2: and saying everything that's wrong with her, which in real
Speaker 2: life for most people that I'd be like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go get some pretzels. I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: That's when I chug my dream. She's like, my drink
Speaker 1: is empty.
Speaker 2: It's like Cecily, what's Cecily from Saturday Night Live? She
Speaker 2: has the girl that everybody runs to at the party,
Speaker 2: that no one wants to talk to at the party.
Speaker 2: Oh Cecily Strong.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Trauma trauma bonding. Yeah, he's definitely
Speaker 1: trauma bonding with someone. But hopefully she you know, she
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, she's a good mom. Hopefully she hooked
Speaker 1: him up with a little fit some therapy, you know.
Speaker 1: I yeah, maybe they got the modern health app.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Once she figured out the.
Speaker 2: Internet, and it's only another ten years, but yeah, they
Speaker 2: get an iPhone or something.
Speaker 1: This movie is you are right, it is bad.
Speaker 2: Shit. It's just completely insane, Like nobody acts like a
Speaker 2: person would really act. Nope, And I thought, honestly, I thought,
Speaker 2: like the script is really bad. Like there's certain times
Speaker 2: where I really, honestly, if you ever watched a movie
Speaker 2: and you kind of feel bad for the actors because
Speaker 2: you're like, this dialogue is garbage, Like how does anybody
Speaker 2: make this believable?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just thought that during last week's movie, Body.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, so bad.
Speaker 1: I'd rather watch this one than Body of Evidence, for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I'll watch this one again for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is like bad good and the other one is
Speaker 1: just bad bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's bad bad. This is like bad but watchable.
Speaker 1: Yes, very very watchable. I read that there were a
Speaker 1: couple of other people before Ashley Judd, including Michelle Pfeiffer,
Speaker 1: meg Ryan Brookshields, and Jodie Foster were all attached.
Speaker 2: At one point, I had called bullshit on Brookshields, and
Speaker 2: I love Brookshields, but there's no way she would have
Speaker 2: gotten a movie this big in nineteen nine nine Toads.
Speaker 2: I thought this was not at all. Sometimes I think
Speaker 2: IMDb is just her people put put that in there.
Speaker 2: It was just a wishless you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they actually approach that person, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: She we love Brookshields here.
Speaker 2: We love her. It's not against her. But you know,
Speaker 2: just your show business careers go up and down, and
Speaker 2: at this time, you know, Ashley Judd was getting all
Speaker 2: the parts for movies like this. That's like that, you know.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean she was the best at it, just
Speaker 2: but she was good at it and she made money
Speaker 2: for people.
Speaker 1: So anyway, uh, we're going to list some Ashley Judd movies. First,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you Ashley Judd was nominated for
Speaker 1: Best Female Performance at the MTV Movie the Awards.
Speaker 2: Did she win She did not.
Speaker 1: So the other nominees are Julia Roberts for Runaway Bride.
Speaker 2: I hate that movie.
Speaker 1: I have never seen it.
Speaker 2: It's just dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, should we put it on the list.
Speaker 2: We probably should because they're desperately but Gary Marshall's desperately
Speaker 2: trying to bring back Pretty Woman. Yeah, and it's like
Speaker 2: the same character, really, Vivian, Like that's how she's playing like,
Speaker 2: not not really but really Anyway, continue.
Speaker 1: Okay, Ashley Judd obviously, Nev Campbell for Scream three.
Speaker 2: Like if I've seen the third one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen the third one. Drew
Speaker 1: Barrymore for a movie that is definitely on our list,
Speaker 1: Never Been Kissed. Yeah, talking about that movie. That movie
Speaker 1: was a problem in ninety nine, like and it's a
Speaker 1: problem now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the winner was Sarah Michelle Geller for Cruel Intentions.
Speaker 2: I like that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on our list. We've gotten a request for
Speaker 1: that one. And then I have some Ashley jud movies
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Heat.
Speaker 2: I know some people love Heat, It's not my favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like Heat. I know you like this one, Smoke.
Speaker 2: Yes, filmed. I was just there Winteruitarist my hot Dog Place,
Speaker 2: don't you?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 2: I love the Dog Day Afternoon. Hot Dog Place, that's
Speaker 2: what they call it, right across the street from the
Speaker 2: film Dog Day Afternoon.
Speaker 1: Because it's awesome that it is awesome. I have their shirt.
Speaker 1: I love it. She was in a Time to Kill.
Speaker 2: I had looked forward to that movie so much.
Speaker 1: We cover that, right, yeah, we did a Time to
Speaker 1: Kill and the Client together right ooh, we should do
Speaker 1: Pretty Woman and run Away Bride together.
Speaker 2: I think we could do right Away Bride on its
Speaker 2: Own and Pretty Long. I honestly think there's enough to
Speaker 2: discuss with both.
Speaker 1: Okay, another Ashley Judd Kissed the Girls.
Speaker 2: We'll definitely cover that one day because I like that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am the beholder.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: It's another thriller that came out maybe a year later.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, so I know I saw this
Speaker 1: one someone like You. No, I don't know that one,
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy with Hugh Jackman. They it was, uh,
Speaker 1: it was not good. She was in another thriller called Twisted.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That was in San Francisco. So now it's moved up
Speaker 1: to the top of my list. And then she's in
Speaker 1: the Divergent movies, which I've never seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't read those books or see that movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who my friend Kate, who might
Speaker 1: be listening. Hi, Kate. She loves those movies, but I
Speaker 1: have never seen them. That's our Ashley Jed movies.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear the top ten for when
Speaker 2: this movie came out? Do you know the date this
Speaker 2: came out, and I know he came out in ninety nine,
Speaker 2: is it like I will look it up for you
Speaker 2: fall or this is the top ten. Actually this is
Speaker 2: a time capsule in nineteen ninety nine. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with the top eleven because you have to listen
Speaker 2: to this. So number eleven, okay, it came out in September,
Speaker 2: just so you know, Okay, September nineteen nine. This is
Speaker 2: top forty for that for the week. I think it's
Speaker 2: like September twenty fifth or something. This is this was
Speaker 2: American Charts Pop hits. So number eleven, we'll do eleven.
Speaker 2: We have to because the number eleven song Lost in
Speaker 2: You by Chris Gaines and Chris Gaines is Garth Brooks,
Speaker 2: so he charted. He did chart with that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god's one of my favorite things.
Speaker 2: Number ten, I have no idea what this is. Where
Speaker 2: are my girls at seven? Oh two dash two two?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Number nine Someday by Sugar Ray. I do like Sugar Ray.
Speaker 1: I have to say, oh yeah, yeah, okay, I know
Speaker 1: that song.
Speaker 2: This next one, oh god, some of these are really
Speaker 2: bad song yet okay. Number eight smash Mouth All Star.
Speaker 2: It's just too much.
Speaker 1: So that was in the movie mystery Men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, it's fine, that song.
Speaker 2: A million dollar movie. It's in there. I think it's
Speaker 2: in Shrek.
Speaker 1: It's in Shrek.
Speaker 2: And then it's a lot of commercials too. I mean,
Speaker 2: good for them for making the money. By the way,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have any problems with smash Mouth
Speaker 2: at all, especially they lost their singer. But it's just
Speaker 2: one of those songs like, why is this one people
Speaker 2: play all the time? Still?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you still hear that.
Speaker 2: Song of it? Okay, here's some others. Number seven You'll
Speaker 2: love this Smooth Santana featuring Rob Tommasoo.
Speaker 1: Number damn you for bringing this up because you know
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, is gonna get stuck in your head,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna come on every time. Margo brings it up.
Speaker 1: After I get in the car, it comes up every.
Speaker 2: I think it's the Adam Risky because Adam was the
Speaker 2: one that really got a violent reaction when I read
Speaker 2: that for one of our movies. Recovered. Number six, lou
Speaker 2: Bega Mambo. Number five, that song, that song is catchy
Speaker 2: as Ship. I mean it's stupid, but it's catchy as ship.
Speaker 2: I know. Also it's like a commercial for everything and
Speaker 2: good for them.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Number five LFO Summer Girls.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't. I don't know that one.
Speaker 2: You would if you saw it. It's one of those
Speaker 2: boy bands. Number four great song, Christina Aguilera, Genie and
Speaker 2: a Bottle.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a I mean that's a banger, that's
Speaker 1: a total pop.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a bop.
Speaker 1: It is a bop.
Speaker 2: Number three Enrique Glesias ballemos. Oh, I think that's how
Speaker 2: you say it. Number two Ricky Martin, She's all I
Speaker 2: ever had.
Speaker 1: I was lot, we were all uh it live in
Speaker 1: Levita Loca around ninety We certainly were.
Speaker 2: And number one un Pretty by TLC.
Speaker 1: Oh I love TLC.
Speaker 2: I know I miss them.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a good song, and that's a yeah list.
Speaker 1: What else are you dorking out about?
Speaker 2: My friend? Well, first I have to tell you my
Speaker 2: Ashley Judd story and then I'll get into it. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I worked at an agency at this time. It's
Speaker 2: exactly at this time, and there's a publisher called hay House,
Speaker 2: and it's like a Christian publisher, and Naomi Judd wrote
Speaker 2: a cookbook for hay House. So my friend was the
Speaker 2: publicist for that book and she worked with Naomi, who
Speaker 2: she said was a little uh wound up, which you know.
Speaker 2: So she flies to Nashville because that's where the company's based,
Speaker 2: and she's going to dinner at this lodge. And at
Speaker 2: this lodge, they have this huge bonfire. It's like in
Speaker 2: the movies, you know, like you picture old men smoking
Speaker 2: cigars and shooting this shit. Yeah, so they're having dinner
Speaker 2: in front of this fire, and she says, Ashley showed
Speaker 2: up really late and showed up with her assistant, and
Speaker 2: she was very dramatic when she was talking. She's an actor,
Speaker 2: you know, she's just very affected. So she was something
Speaker 2: something like, you know, the hopee Indians sat by the
Speaker 2: fire because it helped heat their backs. And she was
Speaker 2: touching these two men were sitting next to her. Each
Speaker 2: one she was putting her hands up and down their backs,
Speaker 2: like the heat is coming up your backs. My friend
Speaker 2: was like rolling her eyes like, oh my god, like,
Speaker 2: you don't have to work this hard. You're gorgeous and
Speaker 2: you're famous. Like but then her assistant's name was Sunday.
Speaker 2: And the reason why, the reason it's important is that
Speaker 2: at one point she got a call. Ashley got a
Speaker 2: call from someone. It was like on her beeper or whatever,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden she jumps up from the
Speaker 2: table and yells Sunday, like at the top of her
Speaker 2: voice to holler over this poor assistant, and then they
Speaker 2: just left the dinner like boom, poor Sunday. I know,
Speaker 2: poor Sunday.
Speaker 1: Love that story, Ashley Judd, cool story. Did you know
Speaker 1: that sometimes people get next to the fire to get
Speaker 1: for heat?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't like just the Yeah, some Indian tribe
Speaker 2: she mentioned a Native American traffic excuse me, but like
Speaker 2: a hope, like the hope Indians sat by with their
Speaker 2: the rulers would sit with their backs to the flame,
Speaker 2: and Christ thought the same thing. She like, yeah, anybody
Speaker 2: sits near the flame of a fire because it's light
Speaker 2: and heat, like you don't light and then go back
Speaker 2: inside and ignore the fire. Like but you know, she's
Speaker 2: just that was just my story. I love anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good story.
Speaker 2: And uh, let's see, so I'm dorking out. I'm still
Speaker 2: doorking out about Kendrick Lamar I love it's love it.
Speaker 2: I love the video of Tea Pain giving his review
Speaker 2: offtime show So good on Hulu Scamanda, they had their
Speaker 2: final episode. We talked to the producer Charlie what Charlie.
Speaker 1: Charlie like, Oh boy, let me look look it up.
Speaker 2: Look it up. Sorry, it's not Charlie Works. That's the
Speaker 2: drummer for the Rolling Stones. She was Charlie Webster. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: she was our guest on What to Creep. We talked
Speaker 2: about this documentary if you liked, if you liked this series,
Speaker 2: We talked to the creator like a couple of summers ago.
Speaker 2: So look that up on Max. They have I didn't
Speaker 2: mention this last time, but there's a Luther Vandros documentary.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's on my list.
Speaker 2: It's so good. His voice is so freaking beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely.
Speaker 2: And then there's a whole section where they're talking about
Speaker 2: Luther going on tour and he had these very elaborate tours,
Speaker 2: like dance sequences with this tours. Sonya, guess who was
Speaker 2: the choreographer for Luther Vandrose. I wonder who could Lester Wilson. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's amazing, I know, I know he choreographed Saurday Night Fever,
Speaker 2: which is a book that's coming out later in the year.
Speaker 2: You'll he'll roll about him. He's the real choreographer Saturday
Speaker 2: Night Fever. Anyway, continuing on Netflix, I watched the Gabby
Speaker 2: Petito Me Too, and I almost threw my TV out
Speaker 2: the window. I was so angry.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have thoughts about the uh closing li too.
Speaker 2: I actually fifteen minutes left. So is it like at
Speaker 2: that at the very end they do something different?
Speaker 1: Uh no, No, No, it's they have like some text
Speaker 1: at the very end. That's like when she posted her
Speaker 1: first travel video, her like one and only travel video,
Speaker 1: it had like sixty views, and now it has more
Speaker 1: than seven million. And I'm like, okay, like it's gross.
Speaker 1: It's like right, like, oh, she's finally an influencer because
Speaker 1: she got murdered.
Speaker 2: Right Like if she just managed to not get murdered that,
Speaker 2: you know, she would never have been popular as a YouTuber.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the point of that was, real,
Speaker 2: I it's yeah, but she's a woman that was traveling
Speaker 2: with her boyfriend and they were doing a thing where
Speaker 2: they were gonna because it was during lockdowns, they were
Speaker 2: going to travel across country. It's in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: People are starting to open up again, and they're traveling
Speaker 2: and at one point I think they're in moab Utah,
Speaker 2: that's where she was. They were pulled over and the
Speaker 2: cops are talking, and you can hear the original tapes.
Speaker 2: The cops are saying there's a man slapping a woman
Speaker 2: in a truck and they're concerned about them, So the
Speaker 2: cops pull them over, and they noticed that she has
Speaker 2: scratches and marks on her, but he also scratches on him.
Speaker 2: And she's having an episode, like she's really nervous and
Speaker 2: over excited, and the cops are talking to her. She's
Speaker 2: having a really hard time like keeping her breath and
Speaker 2: maintaining her composure. Right, it's full on, and she's having
Speaker 2: a panic attack and it's the cops and then he's
Speaker 2: just being like, ah, she's crazy. She just goes nuts
Speaker 2: sometimes I have a hard time controlling her. And of
Speaker 2: course there's there's also a woman there by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is how like skewed the fucking world is, and
Speaker 2: how likable we make men even when they're not doing
Speaker 2: something likable. They all take his side, and they all
Speaker 2: decide she's the real girl, and she does say, well,
Speaker 2: I might have started it, and any cop, anybody who
Speaker 2: knows what domestic violence would know people do blame themselves,
Speaker 2: like that's a part of it. So she's tiny, and
Speaker 2: she's teeny tiny, and she's hugely upset, and she has
Speaker 2: fucking scratches and marks on her. Yeah, but the cops
Speaker 2: first of all just believe him. They all cupcake her
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, Kunni, here's five bucks. Go some
Speaker 2: place and get a shower and take a nap. You'll
Speaker 2: be okay.
Speaker 1: That's what my life wife likes.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: She's upset, I tell her to. Yeah, she takes the
Speaker 1: show er.
Speaker 2: You do that because she's escaping from you, you shithead.
Speaker 2: But anyway, they let They send him to a hotel
Speaker 2: that they usually send for domestic violence victims, which is
Speaker 2: usually women, and they give her five bucks and tell
Speaker 2: her to go get a shower and park a car
Speaker 2: somewhere and get over it. She and the boyfriend get
Speaker 2: back together and then he goes home in their van
Speaker 2: and nobody knows where Gabby is and he's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know where she is, and his parents completely and
Speaker 2: it's so amazing having these cameras that are on these
Speaker 2: vests that these cops like can film everything. The parents
Speaker 2: aren't talking to them. He's like, hey, we're worried about her. Parents,
Speaker 2: like don't know where she is. And his parents like,
Speaker 2: just call his lawyer. Just call his lawyer. That's it.
Speaker 2: And they're in Florida.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not weird, that's not alarming.
Speaker 2: Right, But by then, obviously it's too late because he
Speaker 2: had murdered her. Yes, and they find her body and
Speaker 2: then he dies by suicide and there's so there's no justice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how did he get out without anybody seeing
Speaker 1: with his parents, there's like all these people around the house,
Speaker 1: like asking where Gabby is. The cops aren't the cops
Speaker 1: they're watching him. No, I guess not.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's very very frustrating, and I do I do appreciate
Speaker 1: that they do have like a really short segment about
Speaker 1: the idea of like missing white woman syndrome. Yes, the
Speaker 1: media covers these kinds of they lose their minds for
Speaker 1: these kinds of cases, but there's all kinds of like, uh,
Speaker 1: Indigenous women all over the country that are missing and
Speaker 1: there and people.
Speaker 2: Are just like thousands. Yeah, like there are thousands in
Speaker 2: North America and in the US and Canada. I'm sure
Speaker 2: in Mexico, but there's yes there. And it is like
Speaker 2: she's a pretty blonde, very young. I was. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you felt this way, Like I'm the same
Speaker 2: age as her parents, Like, I cannot imagine what they're
Speaker 2: going through, you know, to lose your only child and
Speaker 2: they're only like twenty one, twenty two years old. I
Speaker 2: could awful. I feel so awful for these people, and
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people. I hope, you know,
Speaker 2: I hope the discussion is, you know, more cops are
Speaker 2: getting more better training at what to do to de
Speaker 2: escalate a situation, but also just trying to gather the
Speaker 2: truth of what's going on and understanding like abusers gaslight
Speaker 2: their victims. They constantly make them look feel that it's
Speaker 2: your fault that I'm behaving this way. Yes, you are
Speaker 2: angering something in me that I can't and you need
Speaker 2: to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you make me so mad?
Speaker 2: Why are you always difficult? Why do you always have
Speaker 2: to freak out? Why are you so like? Why do
Speaker 2: you make me do this? Basically, kids grow up in
Speaker 2: that environment and blame themselves, you know. And so the
Speaker 2: cops should have of how the fuck she had to
Speaker 2: take a shower for five bucks and sleep in a
Speaker 2: car versus this guy, but they decide he's the victim.
Speaker 1: It's insane to me that they thought he was the victim.
Speaker 2: And I was mad at the time when I first
Speaker 2: heard about it in the media. I but then to
Speaker 2: see it and hear it for yourself, Yeah, it's so infuriating.
Speaker 1: It's very very frustrating.
Speaker 2: Doc.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on Netflix if y'all want to check that
Speaker 1: one out, but it is. It is very very frustrating.
Speaker 2: And then Cobra Kai had their final few episodes. It
Speaker 2: was good. I'm not going to say who won, but
Speaker 2: it was a nice ending.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's good to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like there's a couple of kids that are
Speaker 2: in the show that are couples now, like they all
Speaker 2: kind of grew up together. It's so cute.
Speaker 1: Oh that is cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that your list?
Speaker 2: That's my list? That's my list.
Speaker 1: Well, we already talked about American Murder, which was my list. Also.
Speaker 1: I am watching Below Deck down Under. Yes, I love
Speaker 1: always Anthony the chef. Oh my god. So they give
Speaker 1: uh Zorena a sou chef and he's such an asshole
Speaker 1: from like day one, like just doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: a soux chef. And I'm like, why did you agree
Speaker 1: to be a soux chef if you don't want to
Speaker 1: be a soux chef?
Speaker 2: And I got an argument with somebody on Reddit because
Speaker 2: I'm like, something about this show really makes me hate
Speaker 2: gen Z because there's like, because last he's so entitled.
Speaker 2: And this happened in the below deck sailing recently. There
Speaker 2: was like two stews that gave Daisy the lead the
Speaker 2: head stewardess. What do I think? Chief? Yeah? Whatever? The
Speaker 2: chief do chiefs do? Thank you? Her second and third
Speaker 2: stew like we're constantly giving her our time. Like she
Speaker 2: would ask them to do something, they would complain, they'd
Speaker 2: roll their eyes. They want to have a collaboration about everything,
Speaker 2: like you know, let's discuss what my my what my
Speaker 2: tasks are, and it's like, no, I tell you because
Speaker 2: I'm your boss. Yeah, there's not a discussion. But he
Speaker 2: was really shitty. Ruleder and Captain Jason is such a badass.
Speaker 2: He just completely he the guy gives notice. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm taking another boat. They've only done one charter together.
Speaker 2: They're in the middle of their second one. Yeah. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'll stick around for this and maybe the next charter
Speaker 2: and then you'll be okay. But I'm gonna go. And
Speaker 2: so she goes and tells the captain. The captain comes back, goes,
Speaker 2: you can leave now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck off, get off the fuck off. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get off now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Boat, what a p It's just it's so shitty. First
Speaker 1: of all, I don't understand why did you agree to
Speaker 1: be on the show as a soux chef when you
Speaker 1: don't want to be a sooux chef?
Speaker 2: Was you don't like women?
Speaker 1: Yes? I was just going to ask, is it because
Speaker 1: he's reporting to a woman. He shit talks her food
Speaker 1: to the in the confessionals constantly, and he and he's
Speaker 1: so proud of himself when he does it, like her
Speaker 1: food's kind of basic.
Speaker 2: Like I would do this and this and this. Well,
Speaker 2: you're not the chef.
Speaker 1: Also, we saw what you serve. It's not fuck you, you're
Speaker 1: not top chef.
Speaker 2: Like, no, he has no yeah, he has no chill.
Speaker 2: And he was like and he said. She's He said
Speaker 2: to her, I could cook the octopus. I'm really good
Speaker 2: at this. Let me cook the octopus. She's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, fine, you cook the octopus. I'll do everything else.
Speaker 2: And it points she points to it, and she goes,
Speaker 2: what are you to do with the legs? You mean
Speaker 2: the tentacles? Like he has to just throw that in there.
Speaker 2: Turns out the fucker ruined it. He made a shit
Speaker 2: mistake because he was being an idiot and this is
Speaker 2: what he thinks. And even you can tell his voice
Speaker 2: completely changed when he talked to her. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, yeah, we'll figure it out. He
Speaker 1: was totally professional with him. She's like, that's fine, we
Speaker 1: just won't We'll put something else in. It'll be fine,
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, and no appreciation right for
Speaker 1: that's he sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he totally sucks.
Speaker 1: And I love the Jason's like, now you don't get
Speaker 1: to leave, you don't.
Speaker 2: Or you're not going on your terms? Yes, yeah, you
Speaker 2: can get the fuck off my boat now, Like he
Speaker 2: doesn't play around, And I love bosses like that.
Speaker 1: Jason such a stud.
Speaker 2: Because if I were Captain Sandy, because I know you
Speaker 2: don't watch Med, but Captain Sandy would go to Zarena
Speaker 2: and say, you need to work on your management skills.
Speaker 2: Why don't you go there and try to find a
Speaker 2: way to find his sparkle. And it's like it's so
Speaker 2: fucking infuriating, Like, Captain Ja so.
Speaker 1: Much you can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if somebody's just being belligerent and not professional
Speaker 2: and completely disrespecting you. They never called her chef, you
Speaker 2: never anything. And Jason heard him complain to her, like
Speaker 2: you're having me do this, this and this, and I
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna be overworked. And she says, all right,
Speaker 2: we want to give that to the stews, and you
Speaker 2: could take a nap or something if you want to
Speaker 2: take a rest for a couple hours. No, I don't
Speaker 2: need rest. It's like, but what do you want?
Speaker 1: Just want to do what I want to do?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, so do I. But that's not how life works, baby. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's a really great show, and it is. The Sacials
Speaker 2: look beautiful, the islands like and they.
Speaker 1: I love the scene where they're all out celebrating and
Speaker 1: they're like at the at the clerb and they're dancing
Speaker 1: and then it cuts back to Jason and his little
Speaker 1: short silk rope. He's like looking in the fridge, like
Speaker 1: look at for a snack, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: would much rather be with Captain Jason right now.
Speaker 2: He reminds me of Fred Ward in a big business
Speaker 2: that kimono he has. Yes, where do you guys get
Speaker 2: your robes? Fire Island?
Speaker 1: Oh, I love Captain Jason so much. And then there's
Speaker 1: a very like scary accident with Harry and he goes
Speaker 1: smashed and like his whole nail comes up.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's so awful. And they have these influencers as guests.
Speaker 2: There's like a guy that's like, you know, there's everyone's
Speaker 2: a while to have a guest that's like taking a
Speaker 2: group of people and they're gonna, you know, be a
Speaker 2: mentor to them. And they're doing a prayer and he
Speaker 2: says thank you for being so good looking, that I'm
Speaker 2: so good looking and bubba, and I'm like, I think
Speaker 2: he's joking.
Speaker 1: But he sounds I'm all bit iusy.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it's just great, but it's funny.
Speaker 1: They seem like nice guests.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they actually say nice.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're gonna be the worst, and then they're like,
Speaker 1: he's not he doesn't really drink, like they're like going
Speaker 1: to bed in decent time. They're right, like, the show's
Speaker 1: so good. I can never thank Margo enough for getting
Speaker 1: me to watch Below Deck down Under.
Speaker 2: And Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the best, the best I watched. I've
Speaker 1: been trying to cut down my TikTok time, but I
Speaker 1: was on there the other day and I sent Margo
Speaker 1: a bit of John Oliver on the Stephen Colbert.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: John Oliver was singing the praises of Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and how it's his favorite thing, and
Speaker 1: I was like, see, John Oliver gets it the best.
Speaker 2: It's the best.
Speaker 1: I miss it. I miss it so much already.
Speaker 2: I know it's gonna take months before we see them again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm also watching Love Is Blind. I'm I
Speaker 1: watched the first First of all, they did six episodes
Speaker 1: of them and the pods, and not all the couples
Speaker 1: make it to the next part where they all go
Speaker 1: on like their trip to Mexico or whatever, So we
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with people who don't even
Speaker 1: make it, which is but also it was six hours
Speaker 1: of like pod stuff, and I know in the past
Speaker 1: people have been like, I'd like a little bit more
Speaker 1: time with the pods because it used to be two episodes.
Speaker 1: Six is a lot. There's shit where I was like,
Speaker 1: you should cut this stuff, and again, like I don't
Speaker 1: think they do proper background checks on these people. There's
Speaker 1: so many red flags male and female. That show is
Speaker 1: just batshit insane. And that one is it's filled with
Speaker 1: trauma dumping and people bonding over that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: There's a woman there. All of them are. They live
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Most of them live in the Saint Paul
Speaker 1: Minneapolis area, which is like big city, small town kind
Speaker 1: of vibe like and that's also where George Floyd was
Speaker 1: killed and was kind of the epicenter of black Lives Matter.
Speaker 1: And so one of the women asks the guy, like
Speaker 1: what do you think of black Lives Matter? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I kind of just stay out of it, like I
Speaker 1: didn't even vote in the last election.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: And she's like, well that's a really big deal to me,
Speaker 1: like I don't you know. And then he she talks
Speaker 1: about like she has a gay sis and he's like
Speaker 1: I'm very supportive of those people. You like the way
Speaker 1: he talks about it. It's like red flag, red flag,
Speaker 1: red flag, and she still fucking picks him, and oh,
Speaker 1: it just drives me up. It's another one where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these people are gonna get married.
Speaker 1: The show is so stupid. Why do I watch it?
Speaker 1: It's so dumb because the whole experiment is like it's
Speaker 1: hosted by Nick Lashee and his wife who said NASA. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're very obnoxious people. It's like, is love truly blind?
Speaker 1: And it's like, this is stupid all of these people.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's people who are in their twenties
Speaker 1: on the show. I'm like, you are too young for
Speaker 1: the show. They all look the same, every dude, especially
Speaker 1: on the show. I was like, I can't tell any
Speaker 1: of them apart. They're all white dudes with brown hair,
Speaker 1: all of them. I'm like, I can't tell any of
Speaker 1: them apart, Like there's no diversity. There's like two black people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're in Minneapolis. You got two black people,
Speaker 1: that's it. And there's just so many red flags, and
Speaker 1: they're all objectively good looking people. They are all thin,
Speaker 1: they're all conventionally attractive, like these people would have no
Speaker 1: problem dating in the real world. So their experiments, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess the experiment is such bullshit. It's such they
Speaker 1: have had successful matches, but but maybe three out of
Speaker 1: like eight seasons or something. It's just so stupid.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: So that's also on my list. Yeah, that's my list.
Speaker 1: That's a good list, my friend. Can you tell people
Speaker 1: where they can find you on the internet.
Speaker 2: You can find me at Brooklynfitchick dot com. I'm at
Speaker 2: Brooklynfitchick for threads and Instagram, and then I'm at Brooklyn
Speaker 2: Margo for Blue Sky and TikTok, and my YouTube channel
Speaker 2: is at my name Margo Donahue.
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