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Speaker 2: You've been yelling aloud us so far, well.

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Speaker 1: Because because I appreciate the ability to write and direct

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and make good movies, and I get frustrated when people

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who should know what they're doing do it.

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Speaker 3: That me too, Amen, Brother Jason, He's the least obsessed,

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the most passionate.

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Speaker 1: That could be. That may turn out to be completely true. Okay,

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so let's begin. Let's take it off. Yeah, we're actually

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going to start now, all right, all right, here we go.

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Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. I am here with my all time

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I'm co host mister Jason Colvin. Jason, I you doing,

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I'm good. D Hey you do me. I'm doing great,

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and I'm so happy to be joined by three awesome guests.

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We have Jeff Johnson from the A Film By podcast.

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We have Dayton Johnson no relation Bye from the Docking

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Base seventy seven podcast. And we have mister Deaf Dave

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David Wright from the Apples and Oranges podcast. Welcome, gentlemen,

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Thank you guys for joining us.

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Speaker 4: That's a great drilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 6: This is where the fun begins. And I just want

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to point out I'm the only one wearing a Star

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Wars T shirt.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying for this particular episode, there might be

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a reason for that, is if you are just joining

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us for the first time. We cover movies that typically

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Jason and I pick what we call winners. We compare

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one winner to another winner to decide who is the

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biggest winner. In this particular episode, however, we're comparing a

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couple of movies. We're comparing Star Trek the motion picture,

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which came out in nineteen seventy nine, two Star Wars

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Phantom Menace, which came out in nineteen ninety nine. And

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they are movies that in their own realm, in their

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own genre, are somewhat hated upon, ridiculed, dismissed other things

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by the fan elite of those particular storylines. Okay, And

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so what we're doing is saying, are these movies worth

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the revisit? Sometimes Jason and I do a what the

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heck happened? For movies like Jaws three and Beverly Hills

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Cop three where we can all agree that these are

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dismal movies and they're not worth revisiting. But in this scenario,

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we're asking the question, Hey, we know you hated it

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when you saw it the first time, but now that

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it's been twenty or forty years ago, should you go

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back and check it out? Right, we just got done

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with this the episode for Star Trek the Motion Picture

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and made our decisions about that one. We will have

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our final judgment at the end of this one as

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to whether Star Trek the Motion Picture is worth revisiting.

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And the movie that we're here to talk about today,

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Star Wars the Phantom Menace. That I say Star Wars

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the first time. To mess that up, it I got

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so hard because not only is it Star Wars a

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Star Trek, but you've got TMP and TPM and it's

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all very confusing. But anyway, I'm sure I'll get that

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wrong as we go along. But before we get there,

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just real quick, Jeff Dave Dayton, in that order, tell

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us about your podcast real quick for the guys who

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are listening for the first time, so that they can

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know where to check you out and what you guys

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are all about.

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Speaker 3: Thank you The The Film By Podcast is coming to

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you every Tuesday, Friday.

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Speaker 5: And sometimes Wednesdays.

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Speaker 3: We love to talk about directors, typically underrated films on Tuesdays.

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On Wednesdays we have our Star Trek themed series Phasers

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Set to Stun.

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Speaker 3: Do Flashback Fridays where we are celebrating the forty fifth

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anniversaries of movies. This year we're doing nineteen seventy nine,

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series called nineteen ninety six where we're looking at some

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of our favorite films from nineteen ninety six and having

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a good conversation about those.

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Speaker 5: So you can check us out. We're streaming everywhere.

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Speaker 3: You can go to a Film by podcast dot com

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to get the entire library.

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Speaker 7: Dave sounds like you got a garage band.

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when you guys saw Fanimis for the first time. You

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Speaker 7: Jeff, why don't you start us off?

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the Midnight Show when theaters used to do those. I

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of a movie theater, me and David Burns. That was

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a great experience. I've talked about that before a couple

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three of us are gonna come together again, and we're

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gonna go see that movie together. Nineteen ninety nine. I'm

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was over, and even from the very first utterance of dialogue,

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I was like, oh no, oh no, And so I

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walked out going I'm not sure what I saw. I

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wasn't mad, but I also wasn't sure. I did go

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see it two more times that summer, and there's things

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I really like and there's things I really really don't see.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you go first? All right?

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Speaker 2: So I saw the midnight screening in Oklahoma City with

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my buddy Roman. We had a guy on the inside

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at the movie theater. We were friends with this guy

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who worked at the theater. He was able to get

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us tickets and we felt like we had scored big time.

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And I don't know if you guys remember this. The

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trailer that had come out preceding the movie. I still

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believe is the greatest movie trailer of all time because

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what I saw in that trailer made Phantom Menace look

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like the greatest thing I could imagine it. And it

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took three hours to download that trailer because that was

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back in the early days of the internet. So we

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went we saw the midnight screening. I actually got teary

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eyed when a long time ago in a galaxy far

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far away came up. I was wiping tears. I was

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so excited. Then I got punched in the balls for

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the next couple hours. Now, there are things that I like,

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but overall, I had a sour experience, Dee.

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Speaker 1: I said a bit earlier before we really started going here,

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that I am the lowest ranking fanboy in our group

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meeting today, right Orlando, I'm I mean, I feel like

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an old man because I'm like, I'm less than two

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years away from fifty. But the fact is is that

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I the first movie of the Star Wars trilogy that

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I remember seeing in the theater was returned to the Jedi.

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So Star Wars was in my consciousness and I had

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Star Wars sheets, but I was never an obsessed.

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Speaker 4: See.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't taken aback when he said no, I'm your father, Like,

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I don't remember that experience. That was too young. I

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was too young for that. And so I liked Star Wars.

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It's a good trilogy, and I was excited when the

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new movies were coming out. I remember in Tulsa. I

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was in Tulsa after Jason had left. Weird coincidence, That's

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where I saw the re releases of the first of

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the First you know, the New Hope Empire and Return

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to the Jedi, and I was I had mixed emotions

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about what they added to those things. So I don't

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have this big memory of going and seeing a Fantom Menace.

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It was nineteen ninety nine, so that I know that

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I was living in Norman at that time. I don't

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remember if I saw it with somebody else, I don't

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remember if I was alone. What I remember was, Hey,

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I'm excited to go see this, And I remember thinking

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he's not looking at jar Jar Binks's eyes, like, what's

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going on here? I don't this is not I don't

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know what the technology here, but I'm kind of disappointed

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in this. And when I walked out of the theater,

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I was like, huh, well, okay, yeah, okay. Now since then,

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I have developed a more passionate opinion, because since then,

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I've gone to school, I've studied storytelling and writing and

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movie making and all of these things, and I'm like,

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now I'm mad. Now I'm genuinely mad. But at the

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time that I saw for the first time, I was

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just like, okay, well, whatever that was it. That was

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my reaction.

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Speaker 7: All right, Well, I think our audience a lot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're listening to this, you've seen The

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Phantom Menace and you've got your own opinions. But let's

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talk about what worked in this movie. Okay, what actually

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did a good job.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry to do this. I did it in

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our last episode two. But since I'm not the fanboy,

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I have to take over for just a second and

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tell a story. Can I tell the story again? Okay?

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It was a different story for Star Trek, and you

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guys bear with me. But in Star Wars, you know,

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just think about the canteena scene alone, and you have

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to ask the question, is this possible? Right? Is their

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life on other planets? Right? And So when I started

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looking at this episode and I started looking into the

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things that I liked and disliked about it, I stumbled

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across this story. And here's the story, all right, And

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I want you to keep in mind while I tell

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this story, the final scene in Return of the Jedi

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when the Emperor is using his power against Luke, and

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and what's going on when he ultimately meets his what

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we thought was his demise. Save that topic for another day.

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Your mouth, right, okay, So, so scientific theory, we're just

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gonna talk about scientific theory. You're going to say something.

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Go ahead, I feel free to interrupt me on all

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of this. Go ahead, interrupt, no, no, no, keep going okay.

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Speaker 4: All right, I feel like your low key just set

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our but go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So like so it's so, there are three

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big mysteries on the existence of life, right and and

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and then and the first one is how did life

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itself happen? And that's that's a mystery, that's question number one, right,

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and then the third one is how did we develop consciousness? Right?

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And and basically those two things that happened, as far

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as scientific theory goes, are about four billion years apart. Okay,

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like about four billion years ago is whenever they they

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think that life first became, and they don't know how

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it happened. They don't know the answer to that, but

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they they this is life became. And then for two

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billion years nothing happened, like life was just these little

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balls of little sacks of chemicals. That's all life was

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for two billion years. And then something happened two billion

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years ago where a big sack of ca mmicals and

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a little sack of chemicals. Their eyes met and they

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begin to cross the room towards each other, and then

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they they met I love you, I know, and the

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litical chemical went inside of the big chemical. And this

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wasn't the first time that this has ever happened. But

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what happened because ninety nine point nine nine percent of

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the other times when that happens, like the organism just

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fails and dies and that's it. But this one moment

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in this you know, two billion years ago, like it

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hasn't didn't happen for two billion years before, hasn't happened

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in the two billion years since. So whether you're religious

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or scientific, you can you can absolutely say this is

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a miracle that happens at this moment. So these two cells,

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they one goes inside the other, right, and for the

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first time, the little cell is able to replicate itself

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inside of the big cell. And then the big cell

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splits and it's got the two new cells have big

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cells and little cells together, and it's the first time

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that this has ever happened. And all life that existed today,

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whether you're a honey badger or Jason Colvin, or a

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giant redwood tree or whatever. You share nearly half of

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your complex DNA and cell structure from these things that

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happened two billion years ago, right, Okay, miracle like in

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four billion years. It happened one time and worked one time, right,

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And so what was it? What was this thing that

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happened that allowed these things to go together and thrive. Well,

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it turns out that the little cell that went inside

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the big cell had you ready for it, electricity, It

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had electricity, and so now the big cell had the

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capacity to make things because of the liqu the electricity

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provided by the little cell. And that is the reason

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that we have, according to science theory, we have all

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life that exists today. So the chances are, if you

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are able to go to another planet, the chances are

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that you might find life. But it's probably not going

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to be life that's going to kill you. It's probably

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going to be a little psycho chemicals that you don't

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have to worry about because it was a miracle that

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led to this combination. Now, let me tell you what

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we believe that little pack of chemicals that had that electricity.

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Let me tell you what we call that today. Are

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you ready for it? It's called mitochondria. You might have

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heard a similar name in this new movie called The

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Phantom Menace, because that's what inspired George Lucas to add

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to the story Medichlorians. That was his inspiration for Mediclorians,

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which apparently, according to my research, happened well before A

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New Hope Ever was released. Midichlorians, I guess, were a

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part of the plan from the beginning. Now, I will

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tell you when I saw that in the movie, I went,

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what the Sorry, Sorry, sorry, Jason Stanley, I'm sorry. I went,

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what the heck?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: Because I didn't like that, But now that I know

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the history on it, I still have to say that

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was a bad decision. But I thought you guys would

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like to know the history, and I'd like to I

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thought you'd like to know that you're not likely to

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be killed by an alien.

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Speaker 2: We did all that to get to Midchlorians.

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Speaker 1: Medichlorians, mitochondria all together, electricity baby.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, yes, minichlorians. Pe you we all freaking hate Midichlorians.

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They took the mysticism out of the Jedi force. I mean,

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come on, that's stupid.

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Speaker 1: It's spiritual, it's scientific and amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he tried, he tried to give it a scientific

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explanation and then did nothing with it, Like it's never

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picked up again and it had zero impacted the story.

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He could have just not said those words and everything

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could still be the same, right, So why mess with

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the mystical fascination of the force and tried? Yeah? Terrible,

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terrible decision. Terrible decision that I have to think he

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had more to that that he just decided to not

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go with. It doesn't make sense to me that that

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was truly all there was to it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like this all the time, Like, oh, I had

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planned it since the beginning.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that now now pushing the BS button right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well let's back up. Let's talk about what does work.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about what does work first, should we?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: What did you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, yeah, let's talk Yes, yes, talk about let's

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talk about that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, really, this is going to be the shorter part.

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Speaker 1: Can I just just I'm sorry too late, Jason, Right, Like, Peenie.

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Speaker 2: Is out of the bottle at this point.

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Speaker 1: So Jason and I went to see this movie. They

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re released this in the theater. You're in our hometown

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because we are at the twentieth twenty twenty fifth anniversary

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of this movie, and so Jason's like, I've seen this

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a million times. I don't have to think about this hard.

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I'm like, I have seen this once. I have been

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in the room while this has been on several times,

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but it's just like in front of me, and I

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didn't This time we went to watch it in the theater.

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Was genuinely the second time that I quote unquote watched it,

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and I went in with an open mind. I was like,

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I so disliked this the first time that I saw it.

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I want to open my mind and say what works

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about this movie? But we're starting off with that, right.

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Speaker 7: Yes, what works the start?

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Speaker 1: And my answer is short. My answer is the fight

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between Darth Maul and Qui gon Jin and Obi Wan

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Kenobi works. It's not spectacular, but it works. Darth Maul

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is a fantastic villain. That's all I got. Okay, I

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wait a minute, there's more than that. Come on, Oh,

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I'm sure that you guys will had stuff to do it.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, as I said, I watched it with an open

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mind and that was all I could attach. That's all

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I could latch onto.

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Speaker 4: Wow, well, so just let me jump on Darth Maul. There.

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Darth Maul is awesome. I mean, what a cool character.

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When you see him in the trailer, you're like your

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mind is blown. Another classic character. You know, you're looking

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forward to years and years of having him in Star

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Wars stories. So it was kind of brutal to the

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ending we got with him. And then of course that

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shot in the trailer, you know where boom, that second

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half of his saber comes out. We're all just losing

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our minds, right, This is awesome and I would say

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that fight, it might be the best one of the

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six movies that Lightsaber Duel. What's interesting is like it's

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kind of called Duel of the Fates. The piece of

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music is called Duel. The face the fights called Duel

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of the Fates. What's duell of the Fates? Referring to

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I've seen it suggested that that fight is for the

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00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,200
fate of Anakin. And while you think that the good

476
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,799
guys win, that with Obi Wan, you know, survived being

477
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:27,920
the one to survive. Dave Filonia suggested that Anakin's fate

478
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:31,720
was sealed the moment Qui gon Jim was killed, and

479
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,039
that without having Qui Gon his his father figure. Qui

480
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,680
Gon recognized he needed to be that father figure for Anakin,

481
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,200
and now with him eliminated from the picture, we got

482
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,799
what we got. It just took longer. Took longer to

483
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:46,359
get there than if Darth maullowd.

484
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: Won agree with that theory.

485
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, because Qui Gon is my favorite Jedi, So

486
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,279
of course I agree with that theory.

487
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,279
Speaker 7: So what works for you, Dayton? Tell us what worked

488
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:56,480
for you?

489
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,839
Speaker 6: So I actually have quite a I have more than

490
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,519
just that, because I personally don't think that's the best.

491
00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: Well, but you know, let's go one at a time,

492
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,200
like you throw one in, Okay.

493
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 6: So honestly, I love the pod Race. I think the

494
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,200
pod Race is a lot of fun. I love the

495
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,000
detail and that every single racer has a very distinct

496
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,759
sound to their engine. I like the effort and put

497
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,400
it into the track. I enjoy everything about it. It's

498
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:24,559
it's a little long at times, but I like the

499
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:28,000
effort he put into with the with the action. I

500
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:31,160
love having the Tusken Raiders, you know, taking pot shots

501
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,440
at them as they go through that big turn. It's

502
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,240
just it's a fun. It's something we hadn't really seen

503
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,319
on that scale. I mean, he took other racing movies

504
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,680
and said, Okay, that worked, let's put that in here.

505
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,160
That worked, Let's put that in here. And it was exciting.

506
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,319
I really enjoyed it, and I and I'm happy that

507
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,279
we actually got video game versions of that that I

508
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,279
could play too. So yeah, I love the pod Race.

509
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: I think it's fun. I honestly thought at the time

510
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,640
that I was watching it, I was like, Oh, this

511
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,599
is where they're putting in their their setup for the

512
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,720
video game that's going to come out. Like I I

513
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:01,720
you can totally see it coming. And that happens in

514
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:02,839
a lot of movies, and until.

515
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,279
Speaker 6: I thought, they're not the only ones that do that.

516
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: Come on, right, No, yeah, I mean that happens a

517
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,039
lot of movies. Let me because you brought up the

518
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:10,000
pod Race, this is a discussion that Jason and I

519
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,480
have been having and we haven't reached the final conclusion on,

520
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:14,960
but well, I want your opinion on this. So in

521
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,079
the pod Race, there's this moment where one of the

522
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:25,480
hoses separates from Anakin's podracer and he adjusts and he

523
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,440
takes this kind of you know, magic arm or whatever

524
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,759
it is, and reaches out and grabs it and puts

525
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,160
it back where it's supposed to go. Now, Jason's theory

526
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,039
is is that this time, this is where we first

527
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,000
see the foreshadowing of the force being used by Anakin.

528
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,759
And I just looked at it and I just said,

529
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:51,400
I don't think that's what they're trying to do. And

530
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,319
I don't think that's what happened. Like from my perspective,

531
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,440
he's using a tool that maybe he's good with the

532
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,440
tool and he gets it back in. But I just

533
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,160
felt like if this was a moment that we're supposed

534
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,119
to see that hey he's got he's got the force

535
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,160
within him already, that there would have been a change

536
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000
in the music because something would have slowed down. We've

537
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,079
gotten some sort of hint. But Jason, whatcher to tell

538
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:16,920
us your theory on it?

539
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:18,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he sticks his arm out.

540
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: He's got a stick and it may have like a

541
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,400
magnet on the end of it. But they make a

542
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,000
big deal about him focusing on it, the hoses flapping around,

543
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,319
and all of a sudden it just goes and he

544
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,079
uses it to Reattach.

545
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:33,759
Speaker 1: And can you do the sound effect again?

546
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: Now you don't get the force musical key that I

547
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,319
think you should have if that's what's happening. But hoses

548
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,119
just don't stick to things when I stick my hand

549
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:46,720
out the windows.

550
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,279
Speaker 7: So I think that that was the force that he

551
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:49,759
uses for.

552
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:56,119
Speaker 3: I think it's when I watch that scene, I just

553
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,720
feel like it's like a common a common occurrence for

554
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,000
a pod. It's a it's a magnetic tool that he

555
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,599
had readily available, so he could just Reattach a coupling

556
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,480
for the thruster.

557
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, I think.

558
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:08,759
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna say you're I.

559
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 6: Think the force using part of it is the fact

560
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,039
that he's able to stay calm while it's happening. Okay, yeah,

561
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,279
know that focus on the moment and use your instincts

562
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,160
that you know he got the advice from Qui Goron.

563
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,279
That's the part of the force he's using. But no,

564
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:20,960
that's just a tool that they have. So I agree

565
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,559
with Jeff on that.

566
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,519
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you said that because I feel like

567
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:27,079
that's an important feature for a later Anakin event in

568
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,039
the movie. I think that's a very very important point

569
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,119
as far as Anakin is concerned for later parts of

570
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:34,440
the move.

571
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,519
Speaker 4: Okay, So obviously the pod the pod race is like

572
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,880
the big climax to Act two, and it's the big

573
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,799
set action piece. And George Lucas being a car guy,

574
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,519
you know, this is obviously something that he would have

575
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,799
gotten into. And of course this we get this from

576
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,160
George Lucas. I think I'm on team D here on

577
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,319
this question. I think this is purely establishing Anakin as

578
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,960
a mechanic and a confident pilot. You have to establish

579
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,799
now in order to buy his actions at the end

580
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,799
of the movie. At the same time, you know, Qui

581
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,160
Gon was the only Jedi who espoused this philosophy of

582
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,039
the living Will. I mean the living Force, as if

583
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:15,759
the Force had a will of its own. Nope, that's

584
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:17,799
not a Jedi philosophy. That's not coming from the Council.

585
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,839
This is only Qui Gon's thing is that there is

586
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,480
the living Force, and Qui Gon would suggest that the

587
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:31,079
Force has a will, like the Force probably made sure

588
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,319
Anakin won that race, and if he needed to fix

589
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,279
that hose, it was gonna get fixed. But so I

590
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:39,519
don't think it's I don't think it's Anakin channeling the

591
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:42,880
Force himself. But Qui Gone would tell you that it's

592
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,039
the living force manifesting its will.

593
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: The will.

594
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,039
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, there you go. Jeff Will worked for

595
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:51,400
you man.

596
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,799
Speaker 3: I think one thing that works really well for this

597
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,880
film and carries on throughout the prequels is the casting.

598
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,599
Speaker 5: Of Ewan McGregor as Obi wan A Nobie.

599
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,039
Speaker 3: I think he does an excellent job paying tribute to

600
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:09,039
Alec Guinness and his portrayal while also making it his own.

601
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,960
And say what you will about this prequel trilogy, one

602
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000
thing I can always take away as a positive is

603
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:21,240
the performance of you McGregor throughout Hell and even even

604
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,519
twenty five years later when we get him in a

605
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,519
you know, Disney Plus series. I think he's fantastic and

606
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,200
he's always something I look forward to when I'm watching

607
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,119
these prequel trilogies.

608
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 7: You feel that way about the wooden performance of Nellie Portman.

609
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 8: Oh, shut your mouth about the mother.

610
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: About things we liked?

611
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, I.

612
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 6: Like how she does. She is working with what she

613
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:00,319
was given and considering what she was given is not

614
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,599
very much because we know George is not good with actors.

615
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:04,359
She did a very good job.

616
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: That's you know. Jason and I talked about that. Because Dayton,

617
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,880
you've you've you've talked about this movie before on your podcast, yep,

618
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,000
and and kind of came out of the gate with

619
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960
you know, we're not going to bash on the actors

620
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,839
that that played Anakin or voiced jarge R, which I

621
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,640
get a step back, I'm a wholeheartedly behind because it's

622
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:29,319
not their fault. It's not their fault. And what what

623
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,559
the what the what the Star Wars fans, a large

624
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,039
part of them did to those guys is terrible. It's

625
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,720
terrible that that happened. But it's like they they got

626
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,440
handed something. And I mean, if I'm the if I'm

627
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,400
a what it was eleven twelve year old nine nine

628
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,519
year old kidate gonna say, George, I really don't feel

629
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:51,519
like this is the way this character would treat this em. No,

630
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,279
you're just gonna be like, yeah, okay, I'll do whatever

631
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:56,039
you say, George. Same thing for the guy who's voicing

632
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,799
the THEE whatever jarge R. I'm at best.

633
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Lucas was not an actress.

634
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,799
Speaker 1: The rest of fun for the kids, Okay, George, Right,

635
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:07,920
However you say.

636
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, when you're getting stiff performances from

637
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,119
people like Mattalie Portman and Samuel Jackson. Then you know

638
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,519
it's not the actors fun, right, So the Lucas is

639
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:21,160
clearly not an actor's director. His attitude is you're the actor,

640
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,680
you act, you do your job. I'm gonna do mine.

641
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:26,799
And if that makes him uniquely ill suited to handle

642
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:30,240
a child actor, you know so. But I think it's

643
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,240
more than just being given bad material. It's the way

644
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:37,160
George probably interacted with the actors. And it's also just

645
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,519
the sterile environment. We know he had very little practical

646
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:43,480
sets and in the other prequels he didn't have any.

647
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,079
So and how does anybody act in this vacuum?

648
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:47,519
Speaker 1: You know? So?

649
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: I don't the acting is bad in this movie, but

650
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:51,920
I don't really blame the actors.

651
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't forget this. We're still in the category

652
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,200
of what works. Oyeah, what happened to what works?

653
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,279
Speaker 2: Jason?

654
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know what.

655
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:02,079
Speaker 4: I haven't given my history yet.

656
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: I've got my list here, so just quickly I think, well,

657
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,920
I mean just kind of retreading what you guys have

658
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,320
already said. I think qui Gon works, Darth Maul works.

659
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,039
I think Darth Maul works excellently. I think Lightsaber Battle

660
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:16,679
at the end is awesome. I think the pod race

661
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,760
is good. I think the world building in general is

662
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:24,280
pretty good. I think the story in itself had the

663
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,920
pieces to be good. Okay, Yes, you have young Anakin

664
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,920
as the upcoming Chosen One. You have the rebirth of

665
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,599
the Sith kind of behind the scenes. You have this

666
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,760
bad guy pulling the strings behind the surface. You have

667
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,519
the introduction of Anakin and Obi Wan and their relationship,

668
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,559
and you have the mother of Luke introduced. All of

669
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,440
these pieces should have been a great kickoff to another trilogy.

670
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,679
And then I think the trailer was incredible, and maybe

671
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,920
because it showed the pieces of the movie that work

672
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:01,519
to basically nothing else.

673
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say because it showed

674
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,400
a puppet Yoda, not a we're.

675
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 7: Not there yet.

676
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,679
Speaker 2: We're not there yet.

677
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Okay, so let me run down real quick for me,

678
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:13,480
what's on my list that has not been covered yet.

679
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,199
I love the new environments that we got. I thought

680
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,519
it was very maginative, whether it's both sides of Naboo right.

681
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,880
The city and the underwater stuff was amazing. And the

682
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:26,159
pieces we saw of Corrouscant I thought those new environments

683
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,719
and the Senate I thought the Senate, you know, was cool,

684
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,039
So I give it. I give thumbs up to that

685
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,599
casting Ian McDermott as a young Palpatine when he's when

686
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,719
he's an old man. Yet he was playing an ancient

687
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,119
man in the original trilogy, so you get to use

688
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:48,039
him and that was that was awesome that that worked out. Now, anyway,

689
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:49,639
there's something more I could say about him, but it

690
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:51,360
goes in the other category of what didn't work, so

691
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,440
I'll wait on that. So what absolutely worked for me

692
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,320
the first couple of times I saw the movie. Now

693
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,199
it doesn't work because it's just I can't unsee it

694
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,719
and whatever. But when they had Kira Knightley as the

695
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,320
decoy for Natalie Portman like that totally, that totally worked

696
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,239
for me initially. Now I can you know, you're not

697
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,599
You're not fooling me anymore. But at the time I

698
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,239
thought that worked really well. The other thing, I'll say,

699
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,960
and Jason, you touched on this a little bit, so

700
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,599
this isn't quite the story I wish George had gone with,

701
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,639
Like I think he started too young, like when we

702
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,679
knew the prequels were coming and we didn't know what

703
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,519
he was gonna do yet I was not thinking we

704
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,599
would see Anakin as a child, right, So, I mean, honestly,

705
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:36,360
you know, you like McGregor as Obi Wan, and obviously

706
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,760
he did an awesome job, but my dreamcasting was already

707
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,039
set before we knew how young George was gonna go. Now,

708
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,719
imagine this, all right, nineteen ninety eight, you say, probably

709
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,800
when they're making the movie cast for Obi Wan Kenobi,

710
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,039
you cast Kenneth Brona. How awesome would that be? I mean,

711
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,960
that's that's perfect, right, and then again not knowing how young.

712
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:07,880
All right, all right, I'll say that for later. So

713
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,159
we're talking about all So my point is that's the

714
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:13,119
story I wanted, and I have a Cassie Towye for

715
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:14,159
Anakin too. I'll tell it later.

716
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,519
Speaker 2: Okay, hang on to that, Bode.

717
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 4: Wait wait, So but we got the story we got right,

718
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,079
And what I want to say. You said, the broad strokes,

719
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,320
the big pieces were there, and what we have to

720
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,559
do is we have to give that to George. You know,

721
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,079
this is his creation, this is his story. We've seen

722
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,920
what's happened to Star Wars since it's left his hands.

723
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,840
So whether it's the story we would have chosen, we

724
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,400
have to give credit to the creator. He's the guy,

725
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,320
he's the originator. This is his baby. So if this

726
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,559
is the story he wanted to tell, we got to

727
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:47,280
give him that. And I think given that that it works.

728
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,320
Like the story works. I'm not saying the screenplay works.

729
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,280
I'm not saying the execution of the designs work. But

730
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,679
I'm saying the bones, the story, the big pieces of

731
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,880
the Star Wars mythology, this putting into place that works.

732
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,760
And you have to give it to him because he's George.

733
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 5: Lucas deaf Dave.

734
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: You are on this council, but we do not grant

735
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,719
you the rank of what the heck happened?

736
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: Master?

737
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: We'll play Jeff. So are there are there? Are there

738
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
more what works that we need to discuss before I

739
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:17,480
have something else too.

740
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,679
Speaker 6: Everybody hates on the Gungans, and I don't think that's fair.

741
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,599
Oh MOI I love you, like I said, not their fault.

742
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,280
But what I really do love.

743
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 7: About their CGI fault.

744
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,159
Speaker 6: That's no, it's not and it's not there. It wasn't

745
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,039
their dialect. They didn't come up with it. It was

746
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,639
like I said, it was anyway. I love their technology.

747
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:37,679
I love the city of out of Gunga. I think

748
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,519
it's cool. I love when they go to war with

749
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,440
the with the battle droids. They have the giant shield,

750
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,960
which is cool. They have the handheld shield which bounce

751
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,840
the laser blasts off them. They have the boobahs which

752
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,239
they throw, and they're just balls of energy that just

753
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,480
like the when the catapult them. They like take out

754
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:55,920
ten battle Droids at once, and they hand throw them.

755
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,880
And I thought that was really cool, considering they're supposed

756
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,239
to be, you know, not quote unquote as evolved as

757
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,119
an Aboo. I honestly thought with that in mind, the

758
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,559
technology was very cool and great and made a lot

759
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:12,840
of sense considering their level of development. I really thought

760
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,199
their technology was really cool. I thought that was well

761
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,159
played by Lucas. It was interesting.

762
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 7: So I've been there, Jeff.

763
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: One thing I would like to comment on that I

764
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,760
thought really did work for this film is the I'm

765
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,000
going to use this word lightly, the realism of the

766
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,079
Lightsaber duels, and what I mean by that is what

767
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,480
we got here is uh And I'm talking like when

768
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,000
Qui Gon and Obi Wan are bash and droids, and

769
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,119
even the duel of the Fates moment, it's a little

770
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,440
more aggressive than what we saw in the original trilogy,

771
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,000
a little more physical, not too insanely absurd. You know

772
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:53,719
that we'll see in a movie or two later when

773
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Yoda's jumping all over like he's in a bounce castle.

774
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,679
Speaker 5: I really like the fact that you could.

775
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,199
Speaker 3: It was tangible, like the fight scenes, the dueling was

776
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,440
a little more tangible than what what we will get

777
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,320
later in in these in these films, so I like,

778
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,599
I like the realism of the saber duels.

779
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,159
Speaker 1: I'm adding bounce castle to my what could make this

780
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,800
movie better?

781
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: So one more thing for the positives. And this is

782
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,800
a double edged sword because it.

783
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,119
Speaker 2: Double edged lightsaber.

784
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: The same thing about George Lucas, that's awesome, That is

785
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,079
probably his biggest contribution to the history of filmmaking is

786
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:42,440
also the exact part of him that led to so

787
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,119
many bad mistakes and bad choices in these prequels, and

788
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:51,000
that is he's more focused on pushing the technology of

789
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:53,719
filmmaking than he is with working with actors and telling

790
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,719
a good story in front of him. And you know,

791
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,960
keep in mind that coming out of Lucas, like lucasfilm

792
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,840
is largely responsible for the develop of nonlinear editing. They

793
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,880
partnered with Avid in the early nineties and revolutionized nonlinear

794
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,039
editing and made it the industry standard for film and

795
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,480
television editing. We don't get that without George Lucas. He

796
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:18,480
revolutionized theater sound with THHX. He's the ILM and Skywalker

797
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:22,000
Sound has been serving Hollywood for decades with all the

798
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:26,360
best movies. And it was his focus here to push

799
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,840
digital technology with the CGI stuff, which we know. I

800
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,039
feel the same way about it that you do. But

801
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:39,440
he chose to use this vehicle to push filmmaking technology

802
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,880
and it's the only reason he went back into the

803
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,679
director's chair. On top of that, the biggest positive, direct

804
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,360
positive like immediate payoff that we got from him in

805
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,119
this area was it was because of his efforts with

806
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:55,400
Phantom Menace that we got digital projection in cinemas. So

807
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,960
it so he pushed all of that technology and read

808
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,599
to find how everybody experiences movies, and that can never

809
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:06,119
be taken away from him, and he used Phantom Menace

810
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:06,679
to get there.

811
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true.

812
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, are true? I agree with that? All right?

813
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 7: Are we ready to downshift.

814
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Any more positives? No more positives out there?

815
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: I don't think we need to discuss John Williams dropping score.

816
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,639
Speaker 1: We all know that's a gaming so and that is

817
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:26,880
an excellent point. I mean, it is a part of

818
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,400
the Darth Maul duel that they are playing that kind

819
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,679
of Carmena Barana style of music that John Williams came

820
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,679
up specifically for that movie. So I feel okay that

821
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,440
I didn't include that in my one thing that worked,

822
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:44,159
but that John Williams delivered like a freaking pro that

823
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:56,800
he is, especially especially for that scene.

824
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they got R two D two right came upon.

825
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 7: It didn't screw him up until it go to that

826
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,639
they did not mess him up.

827
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:11,679
Speaker 1: That is a better, yeah, better way.

828
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's let's get down and dirty here.

829
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,000
Let's find out what did not work Jeff. Why don't

830
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,840
you stress off with.

831
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: Something I started what did work with the casting of

832
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,280
you and McGregor. I'm gonna start with what didn't work

833
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,400
for me was the casting of Anakin Skywalker. And I'm

834
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,079
gonna go ahead and say I think Jake Lloyd's a

835
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,760
wonderful He was one of the wonderful child actors that

836
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,039
we had in the nineties. If you need any reference,

837
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,159
just watch Jingle all the way he's an adorable kid.

838
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,679
The problem I have with it is that we're in

839
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,159
we're in production, we're in print, we're doing principal photography.

840
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,880
In nineteen ninety seven, Natalie Portman is sixteen years old.

841
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:59,360
Jake Lloyd is eight years old, and that is painfully obvious,

842
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,719
not only on the screen, but even in the dialogue

843
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,519
that's written for him. You know, I'll cite their first

844
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:08,679
space voyage where she's kind of really giving him a

845
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,000
motherly type of vibe. She's, you know, he's cold, so

846
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,760
she wraps it in a blanket and I'll always care

847
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,400
for you, and you miss your mom. It just it

848
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:23,559
feels so wrong. And meanwhile, Hayden Christiansen is also sixteen

849
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:27,559
years old. He's doing stellar work. He's over with Sophia

850
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:30,840
Coppola doing the Virgin Suicides. I don't understand why we

851
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,239
couldn't have just had an age appropriate Anakin Skywalker from

852
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,960
the beginning. That's a serious issue I take with the character.

853
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: Well, to your point, I totally agree, it took me

854
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,719
out of the story. When when you get to episode two,

855
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,079
Jake Lloyd has turned into Hayden Christmas and Nellie Portman

856
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,920
has stayed the same. It's like, what kind of weird

857
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,199
time warp is happening right here? Because it just I

858
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:57,239
couldn't work it out. I couldn't rationalize it in my head.

859
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 5: It didn't and.

860
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,599
Speaker 4: Since and it makes no sense. And if what you're saying.

861
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: You knew what you were doing.

862
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if your point is that Lucas you know,

863
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,480
started Anak in a too young of an age, I

864
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,159
agree with that. And you know, and this whole thing

865
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:18,920
about young lings and you have to because they were

866
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,559
saying that Anakin was too old to start training at eight.

867
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:24,559
Speaker 2: Years old, is like he's got to be negative.

868
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,119
Speaker 4: Art. That's like an artificial thing, like he could have.

869
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,760
You don't have to have young wings at all. This

870
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:33,000
you didn't have to go with the child. So yeah,

871
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:34,719
I don't like going so young.

872
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,559
Speaker 3: Look look at look at Hayden in the Virgin Suicides,

873
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,320
and he looks like he'd be a perfect match with

874
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,400
her in this film, and he hits like you think

875
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,480
about this three. Yeah, A couple of years later we

876
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,559
have episode two. He's hit that gross spurt, so you know,

877
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:50,280
he could put on a little muscle and he looks

878
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,559
a little taller, and he looks a little more intimidating

879
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,400
because he's going to become a vader. But yeah, bad

880
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,760
mistake to cast such a young actor from the get go.

881
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: So so let me ask this question, why do you

882
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,920
guys think he did that? Like, why do you think

883
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,840
he chose to go with nine instead of thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

884
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:11,639
any of those? Why would he choose that?

885
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 6: He wanted to tell us And I saw this in

886
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:18,039
an interview. He was he wanted to tell a story

887
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,559
of like because you know, he referenced Hitler about what

888
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:25,159
a horrible individual Hitler was, what was he like as

889
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,639
a kid, So he wanted to see a young, very young,

890
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:34,039
innocent you know, sweet freckle faced kid turn into one

891
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:38,480
of the galaxy's most horrible villains. And when you're a teenager,

892
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,400
you're kind of already going one way or the other,

893
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,000
and you can already kind of see which way you're leaning.

894
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,320
So I think with the eight nine years old, you

895
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,880
have a better chance as truly being innocent versus when

896
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,480
you're a teenager, your innocent is starting to fade already.

897
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,920
So I think that's why he chose so young. I

898
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,559
agree Portman should have been younger, and I also agree

899
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:01,599
if you watch the behind the scenes, there was three

900
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:04,719
kids narrowed it down for that part, and Jake Lloyd

901
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,079
was the worst of the three.

902
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:10,199
Speaker 2: So that's on Lucas too. He chose the wrong kid.

903
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,599
Speaker 1: Or the other two anybody have known?

904
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,559
Speaker 6: No, they were not. And I disagree with you, Jeff Jingle.

905
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:17,639
All the Way is a terrible movie.

906
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,159
Speaker 4: Okay, So all right, all right, So Dayton, so you

907
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,840
you bring to mind industry point. Perhaps Lucas was trying

908
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,039
to make us ask the question, if you had a

909
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,039
chance to kill Hitler as a child, would you do it?

910
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,440
You know, maybe that's factoring into a little bit. But

911
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,639
here's a thought. What if as Lucas is developing this

912
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,280
mythos of the Jedi and the force that he made,

913
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,559
he decided that something that needed to happen when training

914
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,239
for sensitive individuals is you got to catch them before puberty,

915
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,760
because you know, puberty kicks in and you've got emotions

916
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,800
and hormones and now and you've got the force, you're

917
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,400
you're you're unpredictable, and you're dangerous and who knows what's

918
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,320
going to happen. So I can see him rationalizing needing

919
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,960
to start young with that too.

920
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,599
Speaker 7: Words for you though Luke Skywalker.

921
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,519
Speaker 6: But yeah, here's the thing. Though Luke had already lost

922
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,519
his parents, he does. Everyone knew so by taking Anakin

923
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:12,840
away from his mom at that age, what's the first

924
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,519
thing he noticed. He's missing her already. And as soon

925
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,000
as I saw this movie, I knew in episode two

926
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:19,679
that what was going to trigger him to start going

927
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,960
dark something happened to his mom. So the reason they

928
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,000
take him so young is so that separation from the

929
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:27,760
parents is does not impact them as much as as

930
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,800
much of it did with Anakin, because that's what happened.

931
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,000
He was he was he lost his mom, you know,

932
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:34,800
he was away from her and that tore him up

933
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,119
the entire time. So that's that's why he was too old.

934
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 3: So to clarify him being eight years younger has nothing

935
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,760
to do with George having a kink.

936
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:49,639
Speaker 5: For picking up Cougar's at the bar. That just just

937
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:50,360
making sure.

938
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 4: Okayjay said, My answer to Luke Skywalker is the Jedi

939
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,880
Order had been destroyed at that point, so they were

940
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,159
just trying to figure it out and put it back together.

941
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,599
So I think Rull out the window at that point.

942
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm split the baby here, but it

943
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,599
seems to me that my twelve year old is the

944
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:15,519
perfect spot to have access to both of those categories

945
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,400
where they haven't quite hit that. You know, I'm against

946
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,400
my parents and I know better than they know, but

947
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,079
they're mature enough to have longings and strength, you know,

948
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,360
Like by the time you're twelve to thirteen is when

949
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,159
you're developing physically, mentally, and emotionally, and it's the perfect

950
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:45,480
time to introduce a love interest and not have a

951
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,599
situation but still have an innocence where you can go

952
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,920
this kid is still a good kid, Like all of

953
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,599
us know people that you know that we knew when

954
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,079
they were little kids that were like, man, he was

955
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,440
the sweetest kid, but man, when he hit thirteen he

956
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:07,679
was awful. Right, But if you catch that moment right

957
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,360
before that, you get both edges of the sword. You

958
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,159
get the good and the possibility of bad, which is

959
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,559
what you needed with him. It was so sugary sweet,

960
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,360
it became unbelievable.

961
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:21,519
Speaker 2: Are you an angel?

962
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 5: It was too.

963
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:30,159
Speaker 1: Unbelievable to make that jump that you get in part two.

964
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,800
But if you'd had him at twelve ish thirteen, then

965
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,920
it's like, oh, here's an interesting lady. I've got longing

966
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,599
for her. That's more than a mother figure. But I'm

967
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:46,199
also still young and I can be good and you

968
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,320
can still love me. Eight and nine is awful. That's

969
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,519
too too young.

970
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 7: Okay, So.

971
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,559
Speaker 2: Am I gonna be the first guy that says Jarjon

972
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,519
arbinks doesn't work as maybe one of the most awful

973
00:50:58,599 --> 00:50:59,840
characters in all of cinema.

974
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: His streets, you can kick it off.

975
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,079
Speaker 2: Let's let's do it all right, jar j R. Let's

976
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,920
bring up jar Jar because I mean, do we all

977
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,239
hate jarger we had?

978
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:11,519
Speaker 1: I don't.

979
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 6: I don't hate it as much as I used to

980
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:18,760
because I started I started to ignore the his main

981
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,800
dialogue and just kind of enjoyed his little under the

982
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,199
breath comments because that was a lot more that those

983
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,880
were funny. Whereas every time he did anything when he said,

984
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,599
go this way, had to twirl around, or when he

985
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:32,800
jumped in the water, I had to do a big

986
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,840
old summer like all this stuff, all his main stuff

987
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239
I ignore. I just listened to is under the breath

988
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,360
comments like when they first go into the hallway, goes, oh,

989
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,119
this is cozy. Things like that. That didn't bother me.

990
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:50,199
It's it's all the his actual lines that got annoying.

991
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,800
So I've learned to just to kind of tune him

992
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,519
out because it doesn't bother me as much as he

993
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:58,000
used to. There's other things as far as writing and

994
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,840
structure and editing that bothered me a lot more.

995
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: I was telling Jason, they have a fan you know,

996
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,719
a fan at it of Phantom Menace that's out there

997
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,280
where they remove the voice of jar Jar and they

998
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,639
have him speak in an alien language. And I don't

999
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,119
remember if they put subtitles on it or what it was,

1000
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:20,639
but and maybe they didn't. Maybe it was just like

1001
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:24,599
you just see the response, very much like Hans's response

1002
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:28,199
to Chebacca, right, you know, we never know what Chebacca

1003
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,280
is saying except what we hear Hans say in response.

1004
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,159
That's how we know what he's saying. And so I

1005
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,199
watched this fan adit where it's like garbleed deep like

1006
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,519
language for jar Jar, and it works, like him as

1007
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:52,440
a character actually works. The problem is that voice, the

1008
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:57,000
voice and the the you know, the Oki day and

1009
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,119
all that other weird crap that he says. If you

1010
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,719
take out that and those weird kind of mannerisms of

1011
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,079
voice that come with it, and you just say here's

1012
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:11,079
alien speak. You know what do you know? Call it

1013
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:14,519
Klingon speak or whatever. You have him talk like a

1014
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:18,559
Klingon in that same voice and language, and then subtitle

1015
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,840
or don't subtitle what he says. His character works.

1016
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will pick up on that and agree with

1017
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:28,440
both you and Jason, because the problem with jar Jar

1018
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:32,159
is actually writ large across all the alien creatures in

1019
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,239
this movie. If you think about the original trilogy, you

1020
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,360
think about the CANTEENA scene, Right, what do we have?

1021
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,440
We have we have aliens that are in practical costumes

1022
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,679
and they're scary looking, and there's not a single scary

1023
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,400
alien anywhere in this movie. The scariest it gets is Subulba.

1024
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:53,480
And all of these aliens, including the Gungans, including jar Jar,

1025
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:59,360
are kid friendly, which don't do that. And so and

1026
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,760
now the Trade Federation guys, they may have been costumes.

1027
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,480
They look kind of real to me, but there's obviously

1028
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,239
a lot of CGI aliens here and you never believe that, never, no,

1029
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,280
not for a second. And they're speaking English in racial

1030
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,320
stereotype accents, and jar Jar is the worst with this

1031
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,039
steppen fetched minstrel show accent. The Trade Federation with the

1032
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:29,360
stereotypical Chinese Asian accents. It's I'm offended by that, and

1033
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,280
it goes against the logic d that you were talking

1034
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,320
about that was already established in the Star Wars movies,

1035
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,440
like a conceit of this universe is that the Aliens

1036
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,320
speak their language, our humans speak English, and they're understanding

1037
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,719
each other and having a dialogue like that's the rules

1038
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,880
of Star Wars and you should have done that here,

1039
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,639
and instead we get offensive racial accents that that was

1040
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,159
completely unnecessary. And so everything about the design of the

1041
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:01,039
Aliens and that choice with how they're speaking, all of

1042
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:04,280
that was is just a big category of big mistake

1043
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,079
capital m.

1044
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: You've hit on a great point here, which is you

1045
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,599
are never in fear at any point in this movie.

1046
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:14,920
And the canteena scene where Luke is being confronted by

1047
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,440
two guys we've never seen before, and one of whom

1048
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:23,199
looks mostly human and speaks just straight up English. You're scared, like,

1049
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,920
what's going to happen in this scene? Right? That's a

1050
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,320
scary scene for anybody watching, whether you're a little kid

1051
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,199
or more. And there's nothing scary. And then the second

1052
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,880
point is there are characters that could be scary, but

1053
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,920
because they're CGI. I will tell you a story. My

1054
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,519
oldest boy is nineteen now. I think he was probably

1055
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,599
eleven or so, maybe younger, maybe nine when I watched

1056
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,199
this movie with him for the first time, and during

1057
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,599
one of the Jedi Council scenes, he turns to me

1058
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,719
and he says, is this animated or is this real?

1059
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,679
And I was like, it's real, buddy, I mean those

1060
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,679
are real actors. And he's like, well, why is Yoda

1061
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,840
a cartoon? And I said, exactly, son, that is exactly right.

1062
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,960
Why the heck is Yoda a cartoon?

1063
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,679
Speaker 4: He doubled down on that Attack of the Clones.

1064
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because in the in the trailer that we got,

1065
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:29,559
Yoda was a puppet. He was he was a he

1066
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,039
was a hand worked puppet. We did not see that

1067
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:35,239
CGI crap in the trailer that Jason alluded to earlier.

1068
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 4: And there are a couple of shots in Phantom Menace

1069
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,800
where Frank calls is operating the puppet, but most of

1070
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,039
it is CGI. Attack of Clones. It's all CGI.

1071
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 6: Well, actually the original release, most of it was. The

1072
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,159
only CGI was actually at the end when he was

1073
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,119
when he was talking over one last time, he was

1074
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:52,559
sitting in a seat and everything else. It was all

1075
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:58,840
a puppet and everybody hated Trust me, I yes, I will,

1076
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,639
Diana Hill. There was no Friend that was released due

1077
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:11,119
the face found stuff that's on Disney Plus has the

1078
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:14,320
changed Yoda. This has the puppet Yoda in it. I

1079
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,840
promise you that you're.

1080
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:18,719
Speaker 1: Talking about the original. So like when I watch it streaming,

1081
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,719
am I going to see CGI? Or I'm going to say,

1082
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:20,920
am I.

1083
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: Going to see you see CGI?

1084
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,559
Speaker 6: Because he changed it? Okay, this is the original release.

1085
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: That's fair because I don't remember exactly the experience whenever

1086
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:32,199
I was whenever I was whatever, twenty five years younger.

1087
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:33,960
I don't remember when I was twenty three years old.

1088
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,440
I do remember watching it with my son when I

1089
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,920
was thirty something years old and going, yeah, why the

1090
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,960
crap is he a cartoon?

1091
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,559
Speaker 6: Why everybody complain that he didn't he didn't look right

1092
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:46,000
as a puppet. Yeah, but how they aged him? They

1093
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:49,679
didn't look right. So he fixed it and made him

1094
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:51,599
Segi and whatever. Blah blah blah, you know.

1095
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: Freaking of Yoda. Yoda was off model. He didn't look

1096
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,360
like Yoda to me. I thought. I never believed it

1097
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,039
was Yoda, and they should have just kept him the

1098
00:57:59,039 --> 00:57:59,920
same as inpuct Yeah.

1099
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: He he's been around for what was it six hundred

1100
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:10,400
years years? He's change So why yeah, why is twenty

1101
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,199
five years earlier really gonna make him look significantly younger? No,

1102
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,280
it's ridiculous, Dayton.

1103
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,039
Speaker 3: I'm glad you clarified that because I you know you

1104
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:20,480
were going to die in that hill because he had

1105
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,960
the high ground figured it out.

1106
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: But I have the proof.

1107
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,639
Speaker 7: I will not help you, all right. Who else has

1108
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:32,280
got something done?

1109
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:32,519
Speaker 1: Work?

1110
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 7: Jeff?

1111
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: What you got?

1112
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 5: Or Dayden?

1113
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: Who's up?

1114
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:35,239
Speaker 4: Daydon?

1115
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: What do you got?

1116
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 6: Okay? Well, so, honestly my biggest complaint, as much as

1117
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,400
he did so many things right for this universe, it's

1118
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,920
George's fault. Everything that's wrong with this movie is George's fault.

1119
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,920
And this is why he directed X one, one three eight,

1120
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,199
He directed American Graffiti, which I love.

1121
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

1122
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,519
Speaker 6: He had help with the screenplay on both of those.

1123
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:03,679
He writes quote unquote rights and directs Star Wars. He

1124
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,360
had help writing that screenplay because don't they don't get credit.

1125
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,760
The two guys that helped him got points no credit, okay.

1126
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:12,639
Speaker 4: And his wife saved him in the editing.

1127
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,039
Speaker 6: And the editing and everything. The pacing was saved by

1128
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:18,559
some other people. Okay, So fast forward twenty years. He

1129
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:21,840
has not directed a single thing or written anything else,

1130
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:23,679
and all of a sudden, he goes, you know what,

1131
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,840
even though I abandoned this because I was tired of it,

1132
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,440
I want to bring it back just because, you know, hey,

1133
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,840
this was fun making the special editions. Whatever he is not,

1134
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:37,639
he's barely a filmmaker at this point, and he's taken

1135
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:40,679
on this giant project. And it's a giant project. You

1136
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:43,320
have hundreds of people working for me, You have artists,

1137
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,760
you have everything, you have people doing costumes, and he's

1138
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,000
in charge of everything. It's all his brain child, it's

1139
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:48,880
all his idea.

1140
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: How about this? How about that?

1141
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 6: And as I said earlier before we started recording, when

1142
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,280
you're the writer, when you're the director, when you're the producer,

1143
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,920
when you're the bank, Nobody's gonna say, hey, George Jeor

1144
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,079
j R. Is stupid, Hey George, those accents are terrible.

1145
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:06,519
Hey George, that scene is five minutes too long. You

1146
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,280
need to cut that. They're not gonna look at their

1147
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,920
paycheck and tell the boss you're wrong. George, because guess

1148
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,840
what nobody did. He was surrounded by yes men and

1149
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,920
he didn't care, and he made what he thought was

1150
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:18,480
gonna be made.

1151
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:19,079
Speaker 1: And that's fine.

1152
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 6: The fact is it took three movies, it took two

1153
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,599
swings in a miss before we got a good movie.

1154
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: And everything that's wrong with.

1155
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 6: This from the horrible dialogue, like, okay, the very beginning. Okay,

1156
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,320
the Viceroy and his buddy, are you know, the Jedi

1157
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,840
show up and he goes, you go in there and

1158
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,159
distract him while I get called Arcidius or whatever. He goes,

1159
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,119
are you brain dead? I'm not going in there with

1160
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:46,159
two Jedi. Awful, just terrible, Okay, And then they they

1161
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:49,440
call up they call it Sidiath and he goes, you know,

1162
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:51,679
he starts whining at Cidious. He goes, I don't want

1163
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,559
to see this stunted slime on my side again. I'm like,

1164
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,000
stunted slime. Good, good try, George. I don't know what

1165
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,000
that what that even means? You know, watch your line

1166
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:03,119
to their buddy. It's not even it's not even blasted.

1167
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:07,400
It's not even Star Wars slang. It's just stupid. And

1168
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,280
then later when they're at out of Gunga and you know,

1169
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,519
and Boss n Ask gives them Bungo, you can leave,

1170
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:17,039
go ahead. They're walking away and Charger says, you know,

1171
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:19,760
you're getting set up whatever and he and He's like,

1172
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,079
we need a navigator to get to the planet Core,

1173
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,360
do you and what makes you think this idiot's gonna

1174
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,079
get you there? And then they get in the ship

1175
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:28,000
and their crews around.

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Speaker 1: Jarger goes, where are we going?

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01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:30,119
Speaker 6: Oh, the forest will take us?

1178
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:31,239
Speaker 5: What is it?

1179
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,199
Speaker 6: Is he the navigator or is it the force taking

1180
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:34,239
your what's wrong?

1181
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,599
Speaker 1: Just things don't make sense?

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01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 6: And then later and the council Mace Window says, we

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01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:42,559
don't have time for this, you know, go back to Naboo,

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01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,280
you know, the little draw out of the Queen's Attacker. This

1185
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,280
is the key to unlocking the mystery of the Scyth?

1186
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,679
What what Darth mauls showing up? Is something gonna give

1187
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:54,480
you the answers to the Scyth? Are you trying to

1188
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,440
figure out who he is? Is that the mystery? What's

1189
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,679
the mystery? Where they've been for the last couple hundred years?

1190
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,320
What's the mystery they never come back to? That never explained?

1191
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,679
That statement doesn't make any sense. He does it throughout

1192
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:07,719
the entire movie. He drops lines here and there that

1193
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,320
have no ending, no reason, and they don't come back

1194
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,039
to it. It's so frustrating because nobody went, George, this

1195
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:16,039
doesn't make sense. You need to fix this.

1196
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,119
Speaker 1: So okay, I'm off my soapbox. I'm done. So I

1197
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:23,079
just want to touch on this because I'm confident that

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01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:26,119
ninety five percent of the people listening to us right

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now probably know this little tidbit already, but just for

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01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,880
those five percent that don't, and Dave alluded to it,

1201
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,880
and Day and you know, leveled it up significantly when

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01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,320
the original Star Wars a New Hope, the very first

1203
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,360
one was done. When they had completed the filming and

1204
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,639
the editing of that movie, they screened it and every

1205
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,599
single person that saw it went, this is terrible. This

1206
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,639
is terrible, and by you know, the will of the force,

1207
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,639
if you will. George happened to be married to Marcia,

1208
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:04,360
and Marcia happened to be a fantastic editor, and Marcia said,

1209
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:06,920
let me see what I can do, and she took

1210
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,480
it and she rearranged all of the pieces and she

1211
01:03:09,639 --> 01:03:12,000
took out a lot of the garbage that didn't need

1212
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:16,440
to be in there, and she's the one that made

1213
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,000
it a good movie. He he brought all the pieces

1214
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,480
and she chopped it up and made it into a meal.

1215
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,360
And unfortunately, in the next twenty years they got divorced

1216
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,119
and he amassed an unreasonable amount of money and power

1217
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,800
because he had developed ILM, and they became the go

1218
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,519
to for all things like this, like you said, like digital,

1219
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:46,039
Like he was pushing the science of movie making more

1220
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:51,639
than he was pushing the creativity and the essence of storytelling.

1221
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:57,400
And so once we get to twenty years later, once

1222
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,000
we get to twenty years later, there's, like you said,

1223
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:05,199
a date and there's nobody to say, George, let's let's

1224
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,480
rework this. Let's let's tweak this, just the hair, it's just.

1225
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 6: Let's break this scene down. This doesn't need we don't

1226
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,400
need to have four underwater creatures during the planet core.

1227
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,400
We don't need, we don't need this. Just because you

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01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,639
can doesn't.

1229
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,119
Speaker 2: Mean there's always always a bigger fish.

1230
01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, another bigger fish, and then there's a bigger fish

1231
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,320
that was bigger than the bigger fish that was bigger

1232
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,840
than the last fish that was almost eating us.

1233
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, Jeff, how you doing. What do you

1234
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:31,079
got for us?

1235
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 3: Well, I'll talk about one more thing, you know, because

1236
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,280
we've we've we've kind of talked about jar jar binks

1237
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,920
and and everything that makes that character wrong. But once

1238
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,920
you can see the fact that, you know, George Lucas

1239
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,800
has said, hey, I'm making these movies for kids, So

1240
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:50,679
I can accept that, and I can accept someone like,

1241
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,440
don't shake your head now to me dating. I just

1242
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,519
watched a freaking no no, no, I'm just saying I

1243
01:04:56,639 --> 01:04:58,400
just watched an interview with him and he.

1244
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 7: That's what he said.

1245
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:01,199
Speaker 5: He said, that's what he said. That's what I'm saying.

1246
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:03,079
Speaker 6: I'm not disagree with that, but I want to wait

1247
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:03,679
for kids too.

1248
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,559
Speaker 3: But no, alls, I'm saying is this is what George said. Okay,

1249
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,000
if you if you can, if we're gonna wrap our

1250
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,440
heads around that, then why are we watching a movie

1251
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,519
where this central plot is bogged down with taxation and

1252
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:23,960
trade routes and Senate meetings because kids don't want to

1253
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,360
see kids don't want to watch c SPAN. Yes, so

1254
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:33,800
you can't have it both ways, Coruscent News Network, Yeah, yeah,

1255
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,159
I can't have it both ways.

1256
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:38,159
Speaker 4: George. If Jeff if Et showed up with c Span.

1257
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:39,239
I would be watching.

1258
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,599
Speaker 1: Jason. Jason can tell you that as we're watching this

1259
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:46,599
movie in the theater, and we didn't even realize that.

1260
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:48,239
We thought, you know, we've got to you know, kind

1261
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:49,719
of we've got to be quiet because there are other

1262
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,519
people here. It was about three quarters into the movie

1263
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,000
that I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom

1264
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:56,280
because I don't care if I miss more of this movie.

1265
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,239
I went to the bathroom. I came back and I'm like, Oh,

1266
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:00,840
we're the only ones in the theater. We are the

1267
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,599
only ones who decided that we're gonna rewatch this movie.

1268
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:06,440
And it became an open forum. But even when we

1269
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,199
were whispering, I was like, why are they sitting down?

1270
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:15,199
Like over and over, scene after scene, they're sitting in

1271
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:18,840
a circle. Like if you look at the original Star Wars,

1272
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:23,000
does anybody sit down? Yes? Is everyone sitting down? No?

1273
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:26,639
Because there are guys who have power, like Darth Vader

1274
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:31,039
and the General who are exhibiting their power by standing up.

1275
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,719
We've got we've got seen after scene of people sitting

1276
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,360
in a circle talking. That's not kids stuff, that's not

1277
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:44,000
even grown up stuff. That's just the movie making Sorry Jasey.

1278
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:46,239
Speaker 4: He is not gonna be allowed.

1279
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: That's right, Okay, Okay, I got I got a few, Jeff,

1280
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:55,280
keep going? Are you finishing?

1281
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 5: Jason was?

1282
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: Jason was gonna ask you, like, aside from Joe, you

1283
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,960
kick this off with with jar Jo, what do you

1284
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:01,639
got to bring us.

1285
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 4: Home the way? I haven't gone yet either. Now give

1286
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:04,920
me a second, go ahead.

1287
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,199
Speaker 2: You haven't gone yet four times to talk about the

1288
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:12,400
things that didn't work during our things that didn't Hey.

1289
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 4: I'm doing I'm just listen, listen. I am yes ding everybody,

1290
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,000
but I haven't.

1291
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 2: Given Okay, Dave, go ahead, go ahead, Okay.

1292
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 4: Let me tell you what doesn't work. You don't make

1293
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,679
ben Kenobi's desert clothes the Jedi uniform. Can I get

1294
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:31,199
an amen?

1295
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 5: I mean amen?

1296
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 7: He hasn't changed clothes in forty five years.

1297
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,199
Speaker 4: Those robes fit the color palette of Tattooine. He was

1298
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,880
a desert hermit. That's why they made it that costume.

1299
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,199
And now we see all the Jedi the height of

1300
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:45,840
their powers, and they're all wearing desert grubes. Give me

1301
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,559
a break. That's not that doesn't work at all. That

1302
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:50,639
color palette was meant for Tattooine. It was never meant

1303
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:53,480
as a Jedi uniform, and play out that logic, what

1304
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,000
does it mean? It means even though Obi Wan is

1305
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,960
in hiding, he's not changing his last name. He's on

1306
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,679
Anakin's home. Play in it, Luke still has the name

1307
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:06,199
Skywalker and he's still wearing his Jedi uniform. Like, you're

1308
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:09,400
not hiding, No, we're anybody is.

1309
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,519
Speaker 5: This is this?

1310
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:15,199
Speaker 3: What does it work for Phantom Minister? The saga over

1311
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:16,960
like it doesn't.

1312
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,159
Speaker 4: Work for Phantom Menace? You don't make that the Jedi uniform.

1313
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:20,640
That it was a bad decision.

1314
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: It was a look at that first movie. That guy

1315
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,319
he's dressed like Obi Wan Kenobi. Yeah, but he's got white.

1316
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,239
Speaker 7: His name's Ben.

1317
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,239
Speaker 1: His name is Ben here that cannot possibly be the

1318
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:31,720
same guy.

1319
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you what. Nineteen years was rough on

1320
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:39,039
you and McGregor from McGregor to Guinness, and it's kind

1321
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:41,399
of brutal. Now that's the name I have not heard

1322
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,039
in the long Yeah.

1323
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: I also haven't. I haven't. I haven't said my things

1324
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,680
that don't work either. I just oh, the Podra doesn't

1325
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,000
want you to go ahead and go I really just

1326
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:52,560
want to get I'm going to keep yes, ending, but

1327
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,479
so you go ahead.

1328
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 2: I got I got a couple of just a few

1329
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:58,720
things that we haven't covered yet.

1330
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: Right for me?

1331
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:07,079
Speaker 2: The podcast announcer Greg Proops from whose lines an? The

1332
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:10,960
pod race announcer, Some of these podcast announcers, I don't

1333
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,880
work all the time either, that's right. The pod race announcer,

1334
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,520
who's Greg Proops from whose lines it? Anyway, he's like

1335
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,159
Anakan's guy. We all that crap, cut all that crap

1336
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,640
and do the same thing, give it, give an alien

1337
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:30,520
voice whatever, and it's much more serious instead of stupid

1338
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,880
and comical. And they got two heads and all that

1339
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:39,199
stuff sucked and then it sucked. Yeah, that's right, suck.

1340
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:43,239
And I can't remember who said it earlier, but there

1341
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:46,680
maybe as you d there are no real bad guys

1342
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,199
in this movie. The the Battle Droids are about as

1343
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:53,039
menacing as C three p O. They suck, they can't

1344
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:57,960
do anything. Roger Roger Roger like, they're stupid. They're not

1345
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,840
even fun toys because they're too skinny. They won't stand

1346
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:03,479
up up right. And Darth Maul listen. For as awesome

1347
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,760
as Darth Maul is, I have two complaints about Darth

1348
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,880
Maul He's an amazing bad guy that they completely wasted

1349
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:13,039
because they kill him off in the first movie. He

1350
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:16,560
should have been the main battie for three Pictures where

1351
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,039
Anakin finally kills him instead of stupid old krusty Darth

1352
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:25,560
Tyrannus freaking Dooku. So Darth Maul should have been the

1353
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,960
bad guy over three pictures. They wasted that opportunity. They

1354
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:33,279
blew it there. And what was my other complaint.

1355
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,199
Speaker 1: Was Darth Maul two Darth Maul complaints.

1356
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: Darth Maul complaints. Oh and Darth Maul really doesn't commit

1357
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,000
any real sin in this movie.

1358
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,199
Speaker 5: He doesn't really do it.

1359
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:52,159
Speaker 2: We know he's a bad guy. The only thing he

1360
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:54,600
does is he lightsaber fights with Qui Gon for a

1361
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,479
little bit and then they're like out to kill him

1362
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,479
the entire time. And I get it, we know he's

1363
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,960
the bad guy. But if you kick off this movie

1364
01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:05,159
with Darth Maul trying to kill Mace Windu or the

1365
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:11,159
Queen or Qui Gon something where we know right off

1366
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:13,560
the bat this is our baddie, this is what he did.

1367
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,079
We've got to kill this guy or else, and they

1368
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:16,720
don't ever do that.

1369
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,279
Speaker 3: Point of order, there is one thing that he does

1370
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:25,159
do that is that is a terrible thing, you know,

1371
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,960
Okay that but I'm gonna spin this because it's an

1372
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,720
awesome thing, and I freaking love it. I'm not you know,

1373
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,680
it's mean and it's cruel, but it's awesome. I love

1374
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,119
the fact that he is sent to tato Wine to

1375
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:43,239
go after some Jedi and his first act is attempted

1376
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:47,600
vehicular homicide of Anakin. Skywalker almost mows this kid down

1377
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,680
for no reason at all other than just to do it.

1378
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,760
And I cheer every time I see that Qui Gon

1379
01:11:54,279 --> 01:11:55,640
had not turned around and said.

1380
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: Anakin town man that the force was strong.

1381
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:02,399
Speaker 5: I love the fact that Ami tries to run him off,

1382
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,800
run him down. That's awesome.

1383
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 3: So while it's why, while I approve of it, it

1384
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,000
some people might look down on him for attempting.

1385
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,199
Speaker 1: That call that bad behavior. Okay, So there's there is

1386
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:17,840
a very innocuous scene that I think kind of sums

1387
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,359
up a huge part of what's wrong with this movie. Whenever,

1388
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:27,079
Whenever Amidala and her people are like trying to escape

1389
01:12:27,319 --> 01:12:30,479
there and they you remember, they'll go out the window

1390
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,439
and then they they use little cables and they go

1391
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,039
down to the next level, and then they're outside and

1392
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:41,239
there's a window in front of them, right, and she

1393
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:43,439
points her gun at the window so that they can

1394
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,680
blast their way in. And in this movie that they

1395
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,159
have spent, however many million dollars they've spent to make it,

1396
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,520
you see her point the gun and then you're in

1397
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the hallway and you see an explosion from behind a pillar.

1398
01:13:01,359 --> 01:13:04,760
And so what they've done is they've given us the

1399
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,359
parts that we don't care about, and they've cut out

1400
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:12,319
the really cool parts. So you've got these senate scenes,

1401
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,960
you've got these meetings among the council, you've got these

1402
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:20,560
trade war things, conversations going on that they're giving us

1403
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,760
that we don't want to watch. And then they've removed

1404
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,399
all of the fun stuff that made all of the

1405
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,319
original trilogy good. They've removed getting us getting to see

1406
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,840
the glass blasted open. I want to see that laser

1407
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,479
go through the glass and it explode in my face.

1408
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,920
That's the fun part. But what you did was you

1409
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,520
gave me the before and the after that are both

1410
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,039
boring and you didn't need to do that. That is

1411
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,680
a big picture complaint for me for the whole thing.

1412
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,600
Now onto a complaint that Jason and I shared together.

1413
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:59,640
And this goes along with how young Anakin is. When

1414
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,640
we got to that final battle scene and he kind

1415
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:08,079
of accidentally takes a ship and kind of by accident

1416
01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:12,920
ends up in space with the mothership and is just

1417
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:19,399
randomly blasting things away, there was an opportunity there for

1418
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,520
us to see the future Darth Vader. There was an

1419
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,079
opportunity there for us to see Anakin, even though he

1420
01:14:26,119 --> 01:14:28,680
may only be eight or nine years old, to be

1421
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:33,079
kind of a badass because he is a great pilot.

1422
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:35,520
Like they've already discussed it, he is a great pilot.

1423
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,359
So we could see him come into that moment and

1424
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:43,199
know what to do and like he's not worried, he's

1425
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:46,560
not fearful. He is like I am in my zone.

1426
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,039
I know what I'm doing and I can be awesome

1427
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:52,680
at this. But they didn't do that. And then to

1428
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:57,039
top it all off, as he's blasting away the culmination

1429
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:03,880
the destroying the death Star of Phantom Menace is an accident.

1430
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:09,640
Anakin Skywalker is shooting at these little, tiny, insignificant droid

1431
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:14,039
beings and accidentally hits something really important that blows up

1432
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:18,960
their whole space station. Why would you do that, why

1433
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,720
would you make it an accident? Let us know, give

1434
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,199
us the foreshadowing that this guy has the capacity to

1435
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:30,079
be a badass, and when the going gets tough, he

1436
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:34,159
is willing to take some serious action and say that's there,

1437
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,680
that is their core, that is the thing that will

1438
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,159
destroy this ship. I'm gonna shoot it. I'm gonna get

1439
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:41,520
the heck out of here, and I'm gonna save everybody else.

1440
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:46,039
That was the moment and they lost it again, so

1441
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:48,319
real quick, I want to I want to argue with that.

1442
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to respond to both things that you guys,

1443
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,000
that Jason indeed has said. So first of all, you

1444
01:15:53,039 --> 01:15:56,000
mentioned Darth Maul that he they were wasted. You're you're

1445
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,560
one hundred percent right, they wasted him completely. But if

1446
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,840
you notice at the very end his life, Sabers magical

1447
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:04,640
because when he's standing above Obi Wan, it's in his

1448
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,079
right hand, and then when Obody One flips over and

1449
01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:09,399
his swings at him, it moves to his left hand

1450
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,199
because it was his still in his right hand, it

1451
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:15,079
would have blocked Obi Wan's swing. So notice that that

1452
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,079
bump that pisses me off because you know what millions

1453
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,920
of dollars pay attention. Okay, you have a continuity person

1454
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,359
for a reason, and then we have the battleship, you know,

1455
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,199
the spaceship that at the end that gets blown up.

1456
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:31,119
Cool beginning of the movie, the blockade has six seven, eight,

1457
01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:34,359
nine battleships out there blocking the way. Right when they

1458
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:38,399
come back, knowing they're coming back, there's one ship in

1459
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,720
their way. One where'd the rest go?

1460
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: They could?

1461
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 6: They didn't leave because all the all the troops are

1462
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:45,520
on the planet.

1463
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,159
Speaker 5: Where'd they go?

1464
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 6: It's like, well, let's make it easier for him to

1465
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,039
get back instead of leaving. I'man that was this. Those

1466
01:16:52,039 --> 01:16:54,880
are continuity mistakes to fix problems they didn't see when

1467
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,000
he was writing the story, and that just it's just

1468
01:16:57,119 --> 01:17:00,119
lazy writing, is what it is. That makes me angry.

1469
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to defend him, but the continuity person

1470
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,760
had a very low Midichlorian.

1471
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 5: Count, so I don't think we should be picking on him.

1472
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,359
Speaker 4: Real quick. I'll just bullet point these the last two

1473
01:17:11,359 --> 01:17:13,640
things I had that did not work. The pod race

1474
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,560
for me, absolutely did not work. Did I mean, it's

1475
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,239
exciting and blah blah blah, but zero stakes, zero suspense,

1476
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,600
zero mystery of how it was going to turn out.

1477
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,479
It was just it was just holding place, holding time,

1478
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,000
and I was just waiting for it to be over.

1479
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:30,560
It just I didn't I didn't feel anything watching that race.

1480
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,640
The other thing is, I think it was a mistake

1481
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,000
to show Darth Cidius. I thought it had been waterfully

1482
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:41,279
subtle to track Palpatine without seeing Darth Cidius. I think

1483
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,439
Palpatine's arc is the most important one actually in this movie.

1484
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,039
I think that was really the Phantom Menace, was the

1485
01:17:48,119 --> 01:17:50,359
rise of Palpatine. Nobody knew it at the time what

1486
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,279
he was going to be, And I think you could

1487
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:55,399
have played that mystery a little closer to your vest

1488
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,600
if you don't also show Darth ceedis just don't show them.

1489
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,760
You could have the trade Federation of talking to him,

1490
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,239
have the voice off camera, But as soon as you

1491
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:05,119
see the dark hood in the nose coming out of

1492
01:18:05,159 --> 01:18:07,439
the shadow, you know exactly who it is, and you're

1493
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,960
killing any suspense that you're that you may be able

1494
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,760
to build. So to me, it was a mistake to

1495
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:17,159
show Sidious or even have city like why even have

1496
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:19,680
a named alter ego just having been talking to a

1497
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,399
voice that we eventually find out as Palpatine. So anyway,

1498
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:23,079
that's what I got.

1499
01:18:23,279 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 1: Yep.

1500
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 7: Okay, guys, anything else when I get off your chest?

1501
01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:28,359
Been twenty five years?

1502
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 6: Well, real quick. Lucas keeps saying, well, there, these movies

1503
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,520
were made for kids. Okay, fine. He over explains everything,

1504
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,520
which we didn't do in the original trilogy. He over

1505
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,640
explains everything. His argument is, there's made for kids. Well,

1506
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,119
you know what, why don't you take a clue from

1507
01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:46,600
Jim Henson, take a clue from Walt Disney. They did

1508
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,760
not talk down to kids. Okay, don't treat them like

1509
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,439
they're morons, all right, Just tell a good story and

1510
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,319
they'll pay attention. So no, I call BS on that too.

1511
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:58,319
Speaker 4: Sorry, Yeah, I was six in nineteen seventy seven, and

1512
01:18:58,319 --> 01:19:00,479
I don't think New Hope talks down to anybody.

1513
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: It does.

1514
01:19:01,079 --> 01:19:06,399
Speaker 4: I was fine, right, yeah.

1515
01:19:02,399 --> 01:19:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm not going to bring up, you know,

1516
01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:08,760
Jergia jumping on the chest of a battle droid while

1517
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:09,720
shooting other people.

1518
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:13,199
Speaker 7: We can just move on past that. Is this.

1519
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: Here's the question. Is this movie fixable? And how do

1520
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:18,640
you fix it?

1521
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:20,079
Speaker 4: Yes?

1522
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,119
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely?

1523
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:24,319
Speaker 7: Okay, who's leading off?

1524
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,159
Speaker 6: Well, you just remake it without George being in charge.

1525
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:32,000
Of everything. Get a news screenwriter. No, seriously, I'm not.

1526
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:34,560
I'm just he is the story guy. He's the one

1527
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,960
that created the universe. He's the one that created the characters. Cool,

1528
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,680
this is what I want you to do. Lawrence Kasden,

1529
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,800
please write this. Yes, find another director, say do me favorite,

1530
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,079
because I am not I am not a George Lucas

1531
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:48,640
has said it many times. He is not an actor's director.

1532
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,720
You can ask you know, Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill,

1533
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:53,880
they had all kinds of complaints when they're making the

1534
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,920
first movie because he never he said, just faster and

1535
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:56,560
more aggressive.

1536
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't tell him me.

1537
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 6: So hire another director, hire a writer, and then this

1538
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,640
is the story I want you to tell. I'll just

1539
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:09,479
I'll be the overlord and watch everything. That's what That's

1540
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,239
how you fix.

1541
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:11,319
Speaker 1: It in the story.

1542
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 4: The secret weapon in the original trilogy was Lawrence Kasdin

1543
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,199
and every if you look at the original trilogy, the

1544
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:21,079
less Lucas had to do with an individual picture, the

1545
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,399
better it was. He had the least to do with Empire.

1546
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,800
It was the best one of the trilogy. So yes,

1547
01:20:27,079 --> 01:20:29,039
you take George Lucas's story. You got to give him

1548
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:29,600
that right.

1549
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: You have to agree.

1550
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,399
Speaker 4: All right, Lucas, this is your story. Now give your

1551
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,359
draft to Lawrence Kasden, okay, and he'll punch it up

1552
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,079
and he'll get it to work. So I absolutely agree

1553
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:44,520
Lawrence Kasan needs to be the screenwriter here. But I

1554
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,720
figured out a director. Does emails have a director they

1555
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,319
want for this? Because I think I got the perfect

1556
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:52,159
guy from nineteen ninety seven ninety eight to take over

1557
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:56,880
this picture. I nominate Roland Emmerich. He had already given

1558
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,840
this Independence Day, he'd already given a stargate, and I

1559
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,279
would put him on Phantom Menace. And I can see

1560
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:04,880
this is going over like a turn in a punchball.

1561
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,159
Nobody else here agrees with me. I think this. I

1562
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:10,359
think he would nail it. Tell me why I'm wrong.

1563
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,079
Speaker 2: That's a whole other podcast time.

1564
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,319
Speaker 6: As much as I love Independence Day, that that dude

1565
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:18,600
is all flash no substance.

1566
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 4: That's J. J Abrams.

1567
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: But gos Michael bay whoa no, no, no, no no, no.

1568
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 7: Let's not start this again.

1569
01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 1: No no, no, it's not all flash of no substance.

1570
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

1571
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 4: Hey, there are no lens players of Phantom Menace, so

1572
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,239
we know it's not J. J Abrams, all right, I

1573
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:42,399
like my pick. I can tell none of you like it.

1574
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,920
That's fine, I'll own it. But I do know we.

1575
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,359
Speaker 2: Do love the Lawrence casting idea though that may have

1576
01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:50,720
taken care of ninety nine point nine percent of the problem.

1577
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, yeah, just not having Lucas in charge and

1578
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,439
maybe sweet talk Marsha into coming back to edit it.

1579
01:21:57,119 --> 01:21:58,199
Speaker 1: That won't happen either.

1580
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 6: That's honestly, That's why never get the original Chilody released

1581
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,760
on Blu rays, because he'd have to get it her money.

1582
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah's exactly why.

1583
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,520
Speaker 2: So all right, Jeff, how do you fix this movie?

1584
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, guys.

1585
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 3: I have been with you too, to fix Beverly Hills,

1586
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:19,159
Cop three, Alien three, Jawls, The Revenge Superman four.

1587
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:20,159
Speaker 5: I've been around you know.

1588
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 3: We talked Start, we talked the Star Trek the motion

1589
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:25,279
picture just last week. So I'm gonna look at this

1590
01:22:25,319 --> 01:22:28,199
from a point of what can we do right now

1591
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:31,239
with what we've got. I'm gonna give you two things

1592
01:22:31,359 --> 01:22:35,239
that I think would help this. First off, reduce the

1593
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:39,560
jar Jar Binks screen time to Nabo scenes only because

1594
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:44,479
he doesn't really serve any purpose other than selling toys.

1595
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,239
For the majority of the movie. So if we could

1596
01:22:46,279 --> 01:22:49,319
just cut him to the Nabus scenes where he helps

1597
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:51,760
them out in the beginning and then helps them out

1598
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,439
again at the end with the battle, that I'd be

1599
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:53,960
okay with that.

1600
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 5: The other thing, if we could get.

1601
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 3: A good editor, let's open the film with the Jedi

1602
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,119
being dispatch to rescue the queen who's either seeking political

1603
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:07,840
asylum or to investigate an assassination attempt because she won't

1604
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,840
agree to terms with the Trade Federation. I think just

1605
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:18,079
doing those two things gives this movie a much better taste.

1606
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 9: Like it.

1607
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: Yep, d Man, I hesitate to say anything because Jason

1608
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:27,560
is so freaking good at this. I'm I'm like on

1609
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,359
the edge of my seat to see what Jason's going

1610
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:34,119
to say. No pressure, no pressure, no boy. But so

1611
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:37,720
I agree with you. I think that that's starting off.

1612
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,239
It needs to be that Amidala's life is in danger

1613
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,920
right then, Like we start off that she is being

1614
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:50,840
pursued not by guys who are Trade Federation blabadah, but

1615
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,720
like some ominous thing, like something that's truly you know,

1616
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,600
out for bad stuff. Maybe it's Darth Maul. That's how

1617
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,760
it starts off, is that there is an evil that

1618
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,079
is pursuing her, and that's the reason for the jedis

1619
01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:07,800
to come in and to start doing things, and that

1620
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:13,439
they're stuck on that world battling those evil things instead

1621
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,840
of what they end up battling. And then remove all

1622
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,920
of the scenes that you have with this political battle

1623
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,199
and just make that I mean, I think legitimately, I

1624
01:24:27,239 --> 01:24:31,720
hate to say this, that's better done through exposition because

1625
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,800
I don't care to watch the scene play out over

1626
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,319
the course of ten minutes. Tell me in one minute,

1627
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,159
tell me what's happening in one minute, as things are

1628
01:24:43,359 --> 01:24:46,319
as the action is going. And you know by how

1629
01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:49,079
much I hate Episode nine that I don't want pure

1630
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,039
action the whole time, because Episode nine was pure action

1631
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,960
the entire time, and it is the worst of the

1632
01:24:55,079 --> 01:25:00,720
nine episodes. But this one had so little and so

1633
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,720
little fear, so little ominous. You know, somebody is genuinely

1634
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,079
in danger. I mean, you just take a tiny little part,

1635
01:25:08,119 --> 01:25:11,399
you take a new hope. The scene where the black

1636
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,800
ball comes in with the needle and Princess Leiah is

1637
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:20,199
being you know, made to talk. Oh, that's terrifying. And

1638
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:23,960
that is a round plastic ball with a needle on

1639
01:25:24,039 --> 01:25:27,239
the end of it. It's so simple to create these

1640
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:34,880
ominous situations and not a complicated way to create boring situations,

1641
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,199
which is what we had with this. And I'm I

1642
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,159
would rattle on too long and try to dissect the

1643
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:41,520
whole movie. I want to hear what Jason's going to say.

1644
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I've got a bold idea and it's I

1645
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,560
don't know that it would work, but at least it

1646
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,119
at least I would freaking try to fix this thing.

1647
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,159
So Jeff and I have already talked about opening the

1648
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:56,640
movie as a part, you know, a third act from

1649
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,880
a different story where something exciting is happening and Mace

1650
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,319
Windu and Qui gon Are've got their lightsabers out and

1651
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:07,880
they're issuing justice, and you know, maybe you have the

1652
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,039
assassination attempt on the Queen early and you have a

1653
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:14,479
battle with Darth Maul to start the movie off, where man,

1654
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:15,960
this is the bad guy and this is the sin

1655
01:26:16,119 --> 01:26:19,039
that he has committed in that this is what he does.

1656
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,199
Speaker 7: But if you decide not to do that, I think

1657
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,520
my two Birds with one Stone fix is when mal

1658
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:32,159
is on Tattooin and he comes after he tries to

1659
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:38,079
commit vehicular homicide on Anakin, but instead he jumps off

1660
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:44,680
and lightsabers and strikes down jar Jar and murders him

1661
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:51,319
on tattooy. Okay, you've got Darth Maul committing a horrible sin,

1662
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,720
and every five year old is now crying, and every

1663
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,880
person in the audience is now like that.

1664
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 2: Dude's got to pay now. I mean, I didn't like

1665
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:00,520
jar Jar, but now he's got a go. We gotta

1666
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,800
get him now, right, you take out jar Jar, Darth

1667
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,399
Baul commits his sin, and now we've got a revenge

1668
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:08,399
plot and we've got something to work with.

1669
01:27:09,039 --> 01:27:11,560
Speaker 1: I told you guys, it's fan freakingtastic.

1670
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 6: He's always only that is how do they find the Gungans.

1671
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,520
Speaker 1: At the end, we hut all that crap out.

1672
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:19,319
Speaker 2: We don't care about it.

1673
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,199
Speaker 6: But at the top with that is they have no

1674
01:27:22,319 --> 01:27:24,920
They have no army. You know, Nabu has no army.

1675
01:27:25,039 --> 01:27:26,399
So that's another issue which I.

1676
01:27:26,359 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 5: Don't have security volunteers.

1677
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,199
Speaker 6: I don't understand why the Federation has a giant army

1678
01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,199
while the Gungmans have an army, But why the Naboo

1679
01:27:32,319 --> 01:27:34,279
have a few guys is with uniforms.

1680
01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand.

1681
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:37,039
Speaker 6: I found your nineties director by the way I found

1682
01:27:37,039 --> 01:27:37,920
your nineties director.

1683
01:27:38,039 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Frank Darabont would do. Yeah, I definitely

1684
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:46,079
just don't like that's a great one. That is a

1685
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:49,840
great Frank to do anything with the fifth element.

1686
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,399
Speaker 6: So I don't know what we mean by that.

1687
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: You're thinking, yeah, I think do.

1688
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 4: They work together on something? I have that name totally

1689
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,319
associated with it. Hey, Jason, cut that out. I sound

1690
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:04,039
like an idiot there.

1691
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,119
Speaker 1: Hey, I gotta I gotta tell you guys that this morning,

1692
01:28:08,359 --> 01:28:11,159
Jason's like, so you think you can edit this episode

1693
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:14,039
because I'm going on vacation. I'm like, you're giving me

1694
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:20,159
five people to edit. But so, yeah, this is going

1695
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:22,600
to be a very raw episode. Gentlemen. I'm sorry you

1696
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:27,880
got the time to make this call good. Okay, I'm

1697
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,279
going to say one more thing about how to fix

1698
01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:34,760
a problem in this and that is bring in a

1699
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:39,840
truckload of dirt and smear it on everything. Because one

1700
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:44,920
of the beautiful factors of Star Wars that they absolutely

1701
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,079
keyed in on when they made Alien is man. Things

1702
01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:52,279
are messy, things are not pristine, and somehow they forgot

1703
01:28:52,319 --> 01:28:54,199
that over the course of twenty years, and they gave

1704
01:28:54,279 --> 01:28:57,960
us this shiny silver thing that looks like a mirror

1705
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:03,600
as a spaceship, and everybody, even in the desert, is clean,

1706
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:08,319
like they're why why are they clean? Make it dirty

1707
01:29:08,359 --> 01:29:12,560
because Star Wars is a space opera, but it's also

1708
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,439
a Western, and if you're doing a Western, it needs

1709
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,439
to be dirty. You're out on the frontier and you're

1710
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,119
fighting on the frontier, and that is not a clean,

1711
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:24,319
pristine thing. You can have those moments, I don't think

1712
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:27,039
people should be sitting down. You can have those moments

1713
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:30,399
where you've got the pretty civilized world that other people

1714
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,439
are in, but that needs to be a small part

1715
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:36,840
of the story. And things need to be dirty because

1716
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,800
we need to know that this is rough and this

1717
01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:42,840
is without law. This is a lawless world.

1718
01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you just don't get that in an empty

1719
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,960
green room. You have to be on location.

1720
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,159
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, so dirty. Sorry, let's just.

1721
01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: Recap real quick. I think this is good stuff right here.

1722
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,359
I think this is all pretty reasonable stuff.

1723
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Right.

1724
01:29:57,119 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: You make everything dirty, you get rid of jar Jar's voice,

1725
01:30:00,359 --> 01:30:02,840
you age up Anakin a little bit, you dump all

1726
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,159
the political crap, you do something a little more exciting.

1727
01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:10,720
You don't waste Darth Maul. And we've got a great star, right.

1728
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,399
Speaker 4: And listen, you don't use racial stereotypes for alien languages.

1729
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 2: You know you've done all the English speak.

1730
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 4: Hey, think about this. This movie came out in ninety nine.

1731
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,560
Planet of the Apes comes out in two thousand and one.

1732
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,359
Now think of tim Roth in that movie. He's in

1733
01:30:26,359 --> 01:30:28,960
a practical costume. He's a chimpanzee, but he's scary and

1734
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,840
he's mean, and he's bad of the bone. That could

1735
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,000
have been jar Jar. You know, you believe Peter Mayhew

1736
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,000
is Chebacca because he's reel and in a costume, and

1737
01:30:38,039 --> 01:30:41,239
on the set, you believe Tim Roth is that dude Thane.

1738
01:30:42,359 --> 01:30:45,079
You could have made jar Jar that bad and put

1739
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:48,159
him in a real costumee, giving him a real attitude.

1740
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,119
You take tim Roth's Thane and you put him into

1741
01:30:51,159 --> 01:30:52,920
the charge o role. I'm happy, I'm good. I mean,

1742
01:30:53,039 --> 01:30:56,800
why not do that? Go practical? I'm holding that up

1743
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:01,319
as an example of proof that costume technology was on

1744
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,359
point in nineteen ninety nine, and you could have totally

1745
01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:05,039
pulled it off and it would have worked.

1746
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes is I mean, it's the It's

1747
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,520
the top of the line as far as those things go, though,

1748
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,279
I mean, I'm just as far as making things real,

1749
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,800
they did a great job. In two thousand it was

1750
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,039
terrible movie. Tim Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes was

1751
01:31:22,039 --> 01:31:25,399
a terrible movie. But the costumes were on point and

1752
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,479
they were real. And they have they have done the

1753
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,319
I would say the one good job the Plan of

1754
01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:33,600
the Apes that have come since I've done the one

1755
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,319
good job of doing CD CGI. They have devoted so

1756
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,199
much time and energy to making it real that I

1757
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:43,319
as much as I hate CGI, I like those mosques

1758
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:44,520
and I'm not distracted by it.

1759
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,279
Speaker 6: Watch Wat's the creator the CG and that.

1760
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: Oh I did. I saw it in the theater. Think

1761
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:50,640
you can touch it.

1762
01:31:50,399 --> 01:31:51,399
Speaker 6: It's it's beautiful.

1763
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,119
Speaker 1: And I think I think the Rogue One, I mean

1764
01:31:54,359 --> 01:31:57,279
I think the Rogue One, same director, what's his name? Edwards?

1765
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:01,720
Thank you, you're welcome. I think that he brilliant. The

1766
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,000
creator fell flat as far as story and acting went

1767
01:32:05,079 --> 01:32:09,439
for me. But but you're but you're right. The the

1768
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,319
realness of the world that they're in is perfect, just

1769
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:14,319
like it was in Rogue One.

1770
01:32:16,119 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 7: Okay, last question, last question, is this movie worth the rewatch.

1771
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 4: D?

1772
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,119
Speaker 2: Why don't you start us on onn't you you'll you'll

1773
01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:28,399
close us Dayton.

1774
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 7: Is this movie worth the rewatch?

1775
01:32:32,079 --> 01:32:35,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, just because, like I said, I've watched it and

1776
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:36,760
I don't hate it as much as I used to.

1777
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,720
I mean, I have issues with it, but there is

1778
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,600
enough in there that I enjoy that. Yeah, I watch

1779
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,399
it from time to time. I probably watch it at

1780
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,640
least every couple of years, Dave.

1781
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 4: I will say, ultimately, yes, it is worth it because

1782
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,560
of the larger story being told. You have to squinch

1783
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,840
your eye and forgive a lot of the execution and design,

1784
01:33:00,399 --> 01:33:03,520
but the big block storytelling of the Star Wars Mythos

1785
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,600
and its role in the larger picture of the Six movies,

1786
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,760
I think makes this an important watch. I do not

1787
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,359
watch it every couple of years, but I think it

1788
01:33:12,399 --> 01:33:14,319
does have a place in the six.

1789
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:20,319
Speaker 5: Jeff, I do not feel it is worth a rewatch.

1790
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 3: I subscribe to the machete cut format when I watch

1791
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,079
the trilogy, which I think works so much better. When

1792
01:33:27,119 --> 01:33:31,159
you watch a New Hope Empire, then you go back

1793
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:33,840
to Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith

1794
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,680
as a flashback sequence and then jump to Jedi.

1795
01:33:37,159 --> 01:33:39,079
Speaker 5: That's the way I enjoy it.

1796
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:43,279
Speaker 3: And aside from watching ten minutes of Darth Maul and

1797
01:33:43,279 --> 01:33:45,239
the Duel of the Fates. I see no reason to

1798
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:47,399
ever go back to watch this one again.

1799
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 2: All right for me, As much as it hurts me

1800
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:58,000
to say this, this movie is not worth the rewatch.

1801
01:33:59,319 --> 01:34:03,439
I think if you watched the trailer, you get everything

1802
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:09,479
you need. You get awesome bad guy Darth Maul, cool

1803
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,520
clips of the Lightsaber battle. Now, the Lightsaber Battle is

1804
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,840
the only thing really worth revisiting. You go back and

1805
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,439
watch the trailer, save yourself two hours.

1806
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: You're good. It is not worth the rewatch. D Well,

1807
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:29,800
when you started off what you said, you use the

1808
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:34,199
words for me, and I think that that is the key.

1809
01:34:34,399 --> 01:34:41,520
Having rewatched it. For me, I would rather watch any

1810
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,880
of the movies, even episode nine, before I would put

1811
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:49,560
myself through watching episode one again. I was. I went

1812
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,239
in hopeful that I had been wrong about it for

1813
01:34:52,279 --> 01:34:54,920
the last twenty five years, and was even madder when

1814
01:34:54,960 --> 01:35:00,840
I left. But I'm mean right, I've got my own redispositions.

1815
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:05,399
My son, who is fourteen at this point, grew up

1816
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,960
with this movie and he loves it. He loves it.

1817
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,000
We have a mutual friend who is an adult. He's

1818
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:18,039
thirty thirty thirty eight. Yeah, and he loves it because

1819
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:21,720
he was a you know, twelve year old or whatever

1820
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:23,880
whenever it came out. And so.

1821
01:35:25,399 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 2: For Tristan Martin, that's you.

1822
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's you, Tristan. I need to talk to

1823
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,760
you about what you love it. I talked to my

1824
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,159
own about why he loved it, and I'm like, you're long,

1825
01:35:36,359 --> 01:35:38,239
but okay, my boy, that's fine.

1826
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 4: But anyway, you lost him in the second bleep, but

1827
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:41,159
go ahead.

1828
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: Yah. But I think that it largely depends upon you

1829
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,319
as a person, and so I think there are some

1830
01:35:52,359 --> 01:35:54,840
people who might have not been that interested in it

1831
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,359
when it first came out. We'll rewatch it and feel

1832
01:35:57,399 --> 01:35:59,760
the way that I did, which was you got mad,

1833
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:03,399
got literally mad at what they did with your beloved

1834
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:07,399
Star Wars and storytelling. But there are other people who

1835
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,359
I think can rewatch this movie and go, you know what,

1836
01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:12,680
this wasn't that bad. They had some good bones to this.

1837
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,199
I mean, maybe they didn't execute it well, and maybe

1838
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:17,880
that voice was kind of dumb, and maybe the kid

1839
01:36:18,039 --> 01:36:21,159
was kind of hard to watch or whatever, but overall,

1840
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:23,560
it was a good story or they set up things

1841
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,800
that meant something. And so there are some folks out

1842
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,399
there who are listening, who I'm like, maybe you can

1843
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,319
rewatch it, right, but for me, no, stick it. Stick

1844
01:36:33,359 --> 01:36:36,520
the negative in the funeral pyre for Darth Vader at

1845
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,439
the end, and please it never let it regenerate.

1846
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:42,520
Speaker 4: I would say that in any case, you can skip

1847
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,800
the movie and just listen to the saga begins by

1848
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,439
weird ow and you're fine.

1849
01:36:48,279 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm glad we didn't miss an episode of weird ow.

1850
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,319
Speaker 7: Hey really quickly. I don't know if you guys are

1851
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:55,279
prepared to do this or not.

1852
01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:00,399
Speaker 2: Final judgment, Star Wars The Phantom Menace versus Star Trek

1853
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,279
the Motion Picture, You guys, can you do that?

1854
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 6: I haven't watched that movie in like twenty years, so

1855
01:37:06,119 --> 01:37:08,600
I can't really speak to that. I remember not liking

1856
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,159
it very much the first time, so I have not

1857
01:37:10,199 --> 01:37:11,119
rewatched it since.

1858
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: So, if so, only having watched it twenty years ago

1859
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,399
and having watched it once, having watched The Phantom Menace

1860
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:22,199
once a year for the last twenty five years, are

1861
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,920
you gonna say you would pick watching The Phantom Menace

1862
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,399
again as opposed to watching the motion picture again? More

1863
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:33,840
than likely? Okay, sir Dave?

1864
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 4: Okay, So I don't like. I mean, let me put

1865
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:41,640
this away. I'm a casual Trek fan, and I there

1866
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,359
are several Trek movies I love. The first one is

1867
01:37:45,399 --> 01:37:47,600
not one of them. The appeal of Star Trek and

1868
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:51,039
Star Wars are very different. They've pilled different fandoms for

1869
01:37:51,079 --> 01:37:54,279
a reason. Star Trek was always more cerebral and socially

1870
01:37:54,319 --> 01:37:56,039
conscious and all those things. It tried to be a

1871
01:37:56,079 --> 01:37:58,600
little bit more serious sci fi, where Star Wars are

1872
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,880
just a fun space opera and the Old West. So

1873
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,840
there are differences. And here's a case of where Gene

1874
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,239
Roddenberry was kind of still in charge of what he

1875
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:09,199
wanted to do with this first movie. And I would

1876
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:12,319
say that it's very true to Roddenberry's vision of what

1877
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:15,439
Star Trek should be. I just feel like his vision

1878
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:21,239
is kind of boring and there's just nothing happens in

1879
01:38:21,279 --> 01:38:23,600
the first movie. I get the appeal, you know, they

1880
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,840
save the show. Fans were able to keep it alive.

1881
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,399
They brought it back, probably because Star Wars was a hit.

1882
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,720
Now we get the cast back, the novelty of seeing

1883
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,520
them back together. Hey, that was probably enough for the

1884
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,279
first movie. But the story doesn't work. It moves at

1885
01:38:37,279 --> 01:38:41,560
a glacial pace. And I would say that even though

1886
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:48,000
Phantom Menace watches every aspect of execution, it's at least

1887
01:38:48,119 --> 01:38:52,199
not boring the way Star Trek in the motion picture is,

1888
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,399
so I get it. It was the rodn Berry's kind

1889
01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:57,920
of a stree bowl approach to sci fi, and it

1890
01:38:57,960 --> 01:38:59,800
was slow on purpose and blah blah blah, but it

1891
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,000
does work for me as a piece of entertainment.

1892
01:39:03,079 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to move the needle for you two guys,

1893
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,800
because you weren't like the other three of us. We

1894
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:12,439
were a part of the Star Trek episode where we

1895
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:16,039
talked about that movie. And what you may not know

1896
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,239
is that there has been a I don't know what

1897
01:39:19,279 --> 01:39:21,880
they call it, extended cutter, director's cutter, exactly what you

1898
01:39:22,279 --> 01:39:25,880
call it, right, But it came out in twenty twenty two. Now,

1899
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:30,239
don't get me wrong. There are still some very long scenes,

1900
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,319
but they have done some very good work with it.

1901
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:36,359
And I watched it when I was a teenager for

1902
01:39:36,399 --> 01:39:38,800
the first time, and then I rewatched it a month ago,

1903
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:44,399
you know, and as an adult who can have an

1904
01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:48,000
attention span that's a little bit longer, I actually enjoyed

1905
01:39:49,159 --> 01:39:52,880
what they did in this twenty twenty two recut of

1906
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,880
the movie, and it's not like it's some huge dramatic change,

1907
01:39:56,119 --> 01:39:58,760
but they have changed it in the right spots to

1908
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:03,199
make it a little less dull than it was before.

1909
01:40:03,319 --> 01:40:07,319
There's still lots of extended sequences. But if you think

1910
01:40:07,359 --> 01:40:10,319
about the fact that you can enjoy two thousand and

1911
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:13,159
one a space odyssey despite the fact that they're extended,

1912
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:17,720
you know, scenes of nothing but music and space creations

1913
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,039
and all of that, and you go in and you think, Okay,

1914
01:40:20,039 --> 01:40:21,680
I'm going to watch Star Trek, and I'm going to

1915
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,600
think that they're trying to be more like two thousand

1916
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,239
and one than they're trying to be like Star Wars.

1917
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,359
I think you will really enjoy it. And that is

1918
01:40:28,399 --> 01:40:31,479
the cut that is currently out on Max right now.

1919
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,800
You can watch it streaming on Max if you want to.

1920
01:40:34,279 --> 01:40:37,319
I would encourage you, gentlemen who haven't seen it in

1921
01:40:37,359 --> 01:40:40,279
twenty years, to check out this new edition of it,

1922
01:40:40,319 --> 01:40:44,640
because I was surprised and impressed when I rewatched. Okay,

1923
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,479
so I've interrupted the flow. I apologize Jeff.

1924
01:40:47,279 --> 01:40:50,159
Speaker 2: Star Trek or Star Wars in this matchup.

1925
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 3: I think the answer is subjective and it depends on

1926
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:56,800
what you're hungry for. One of these films is going

1927
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:01,000
to pair well with a happy meal and one of

1928
01:41:01,039 --> 01:41:03,760
them isn't. And because I don't want to eat chicken

1929
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,239
nuggets and apple slices, no matter how good the toy is,

1930
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:09,079
I have to choose Star Trek the motion picture.

1931
01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 4: That's I totally get that.

1932
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,199
Speaker 1: That's a great answer you brought.

1933
01:41:15,239 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 4: You brought it down to where I can reach.

1934
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 7: It makes sense, all right, So I guess.

1935
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 4: You have to.

1936
01:41:21,399 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 1: We've said, have we done the versus party? Yeah? Oh yeah,

1937
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:28,439
Well yeah, I guess I did because I said that

1938
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,680
I wouldn't rewatch and what we watch, I guess it did.

1939
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,239
So my hand is it's on the table.

1940
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,159
Speaker 7: Okay, So I guess that leaves me.

1941
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: So wait, wait here you go, Chuck.

1942
01:41:41,399 --> 01:41:43,039
Speaker 7: Let's hear what every buddy Chuck had said.

1943
01:41:43,079 --> 01:41:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chuck was with us on the on the Star

1944
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,399
Trek episode. Let's listen to what his opinion is between

1945
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,680
these two movies first, and then we'll come back and

1946
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,680
hear Jason's final judgment. Chuck, now we're talking the Phantom Menace.

1947
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:57,439
What do you say? Is it worth the rewatch or

1948
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,239
just leave it in the DVD case And never open

1949
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:00,680
it again.

1950
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 9: You know, I'm I'm going to rewatch The Phantom Menace

1951
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:06,319
because I always want to see if it's as bad

1952
01:42:06,319 --> 01:42:08,600
as I remember it being. I mean, it just can't

1953
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:09,800
possibly be that bad.

1954
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:12,399
Speaker 4: I mean, when I was a kid, I thought being

1955
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:13,680
a Jedi would be fun.

1956
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,119
Speaker 9: When I was a kid, I thought the Force was

1957
01:42:16,119 --> 01:42:20,960
something natural and not just Meticlorian counts. You know, it

1958
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,359
gets kind of fun with pod racing, and I just

1959
01:42:24,399 --> 01:42:27,439
at the end of the day, it just really let

1960
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:28,000
me down.

1961
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:30,239
Speaker 5: So is it rewatchable?

1962
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 9: It's more meth for me. So when it comes to

1963
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:38,319
watching either Star Trek the Motion Picture or Star Wars

1964
01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:41,560
The Phantom Menace, it's going to be Star Trek the

1965
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:43,680
Motion Picture all the time.

1966
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: Excellent, Thanks Chuck. Chill was awesome. Not a big surprise,

1967
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,239
but yes.

1968
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 7: Jack, Jack was a great guest.

1969
01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah he was all right.

1970
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 2: So it leaves it up to me. Okay, well, I

1971
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,600
am now fifty one years old and I no longer

1972
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,920
eat happy meals. But yeah, it's Star Trek the Motion Picture,

1973
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,279
particularly the director's cut that we just watched. It's beautiful,

1974
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:07,760
it's gorgeous, it's interesting. It does get the gang all

1975
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,600
back together, like Dave said, so it does get a

1976
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,520
lot of credit in the bank with me because of that.

1977
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:17,159
It does move slowly, but man, their parts in Phantom

1978
01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:19,960
Menace they are super boring too. So other than the

1979
01:43:20,039 --> 01:43:24,279
Lightsaber Battle, which is absolute must see Star Wars after

1980
01:43:24,319 --> 01:43:27,119
watching and revisiting Star Trek the motion picture, it's the

1981
01:43:27,239 --> 01:43:27,960
better movie.

1982
01:43:28,119 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I know what I'm watching this weekend.

1983
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,239
Speaker 2: Hey, I'd love to hear what you think after watching

1984
01:43:33,239 --> 01:43:41,039
the director's cut. All right, guys, that is gonna do it.

1985
01:43:41,079 --> 01:43:44,079
Thank you guys so much for being here. Jeff again

1986
01:43:44,119 --> 01:43:47,199
with the Ahilabi podcast, Dave with Apples and Oranges and

1987
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:49,920
Dating with Document seventy seven. Thank you guys so much,

1988
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:52,960
and of course we are sure you can't be serious podcasts.

1989
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:56,479
We are coming back next week the with the matchup of.

1990
01:43:57,399 --> 01:44:00,239
Speaker 1: The Cult versus Great White.

1991
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 2: That's right, two big albums from nineteen eighty nine. We're

1992
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,000
doing Sonic Temple by the Cole versus Twice Shy from

1993
01:44:07,079 --> 01:44:08,560
Great Rights, Great White.

1994
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Wait, wait what bings us to Heaven? Now?

1995
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:15,119
Speaker 2: Age?

1996
01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1997
01:44:16,359 --> 01:44:18,520
Speaker 4: All right, I'm i go out here and go watch

1998
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:19,199
Fifth Element.

1999
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you guys much for joining us again.

2000
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:25,520
Speaker 2: No, I had a blast.

2001
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 7: Thanks for coming, guys. We will see you guys down

2002
01:44:28,039 --> 01:44:28,399
the road.

2003
01:44:28,399 --> 01:44:31,079
Speaker 6: I'm sure, bye, guys, We'll see you all, guys, toodles.

2004
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 1: Even though Jeff isn't here, we're we're recording there so

2005
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,319
I can catch anything like this.

2006
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 4: So all right, do it sound good?

2007
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave, we were just talking, so I you know,

2008
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:52,399
of course we immediately immediately jump into quality and the

2009
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:56,520
problems with these with this movie. And I was shocked

2010
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,239
because I thought Dayton was a fan. I thought Dayton

2011
01:44:59,359 --> 01:45:02,600
was going to be the the you know, the sole advocate.

2012
01:45:03,079 --> 01:45:05,119
Maybe there's gonna be one middle of the road guy

2013
01:45:05,399 --> 01:45:07,600
and and then everybody else is gonna hate on it.

2014
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:12,399
But even Dayton is this is it's so hard to

2015
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:13,800
find something good to say about this.

2016
01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 6: See, I I'm not a hater. Okay, I'm not a hater.

2017
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:19,600
I didn't cry like a little like so many people

2018
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,520
did when Last Jedi came out. I actually really liked

2019
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:27,439
Last Jedi. Your mouth there's a lot of yeah, well

2020
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:33,079
you know, I also, Dave's with me. No, no, you're

2021
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:33,600
not with me.

2022
01:45:34,359 --> 01:45:38,239
Speaker 4: I'm not a total hater of Last Jedi. I have said,

2023
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:41,199
I have said that I hate Last Jedi. The least

2024
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:45,720
of all the sequels. And I I am not saying

2025
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:46,720
it's what's wrong.

2026
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,079
Speaker 5: With the Force Awakens, the Force Awakened.

2027
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:51,119
Speaker 1: I love the Force Awakens.

2028
01:45:51,159 --> 01:45:53,359
Speaker 6: It is it is everything the prequels weren't.

2029
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 4: Okay, listen, listen. When Force Awakens came out, I would

2030
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,119
love it, and I was excited and I thought they

2031
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:02,000
got it right, but that I was caught up in

2032
01:46:02,039 --> 01:46:05,079
the excitement of the moment, and upon reflection you realize

2033
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:07,000
it's a Beat for Beat remake of a New Hope.

2034
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,640
It is not anything, is not it?

2035
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:12,039
Speaker 6: Well, that's just that's.

2036
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,520
Speaker 1: If it is a Beat for Beat remake, because I

2037
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,840
totally I agree with you. Like I'm like, oh, well,

2038
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:19,880
they're doing the exact same thing that they did in

2039
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:23,399
a New Hope, but they did it with a new crowd,

2040
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,960
and Beat for Beat remakes sometimes can be freaking good,

2041
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,000
and they did. JJ Abrams nailed.

2042
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 6: It was a road to nowhere though, no, they the

2043
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:39,720
overall story got lost. I mean, Finn was supposed to

2044
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,079
be for Sensitive and become and become a Jedi. They

2045
01:46:42,199 --> 01:46:43,359
completely abandoned that.

2046
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 1: They but they didn't do that until the until the

2047
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:47,600
last Jedi, right.

2048
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 4: Okay, they had no idea where they were going.

2049
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 1: No, they had an idea where they were going. It's

2050
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:54,439
just that whenever what's.

2051
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:57,199
Speaker 4: His name that came in, John Ryan Johnson.

2052
01:46:57,039 --> 01:47:00,159
Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson came in. He was just like, I don't

2053
01:47:00,199 --> 01:47:02,199
like any of these ideas, So I'm just gonna say

2054
01:47:02,359 --> 01:47:05,640
screw it, none of that really, yeah, and I'm gonna

2055
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,199
go with my own complete different deal.

2056
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 4: First of all.

2057
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 1: But again you're not you're not stealing beat for beat,

2058
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,760
So you got that going for you. You're doing something different.

2059
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 6: Just that like, hey, guys were upset because it was

2060
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,039
too different. They complained that Force Awakened was too similar. Well,

2061
01:47:22,039 --> 01:47:24,479
it was complained that that was too different. And I'm like,

2062
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,640
on which is it do you want? Do you want

2063
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,000
the same or do you want different?

2064
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,159
Speaker 1: What the hell do you want?

2065
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 4: Right?

2066
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 1: Well, if you already established, hey, here's here are the seeds,

2067
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,000
here are the crumbs that we're gonna lead you down

2068
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,319
this trail. And then all of a sudden, you're like,

2069
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,880
this trail leads to a brick wall, and I now

2070
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,880
have to climb the brick wall. That's that's disheartening. If

2071
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:50,199
you start something, then you've got to finish it. You

2072
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:52,479
can't just go no, never mind, we didn't really mean

2073
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:54,600
anything that we said in that first movie.

2074
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:55,199
Speaker 7: And then.

2075
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,079
Speaker 4: All right, y'all not let me wordy. So first of all,

2076
01:48:01,359 --> 01:48:05,680
where Awakens loses me is that I can't even remember

2077
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,800
the character's saying. Ray rays a total Mary Sue as

2078
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:12,399
soon as she was automatically better at flying the falcon

2079
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:13,159
than Han Solo.

2080
01:48:13,399 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what Mary means.

2081
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 4: What is that you you bring in a like a

2082
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,600
what do you call it, and like an avatar character

2083
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:24,159
to represent yourself, and you just make this person suddenly

2084
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,079
better at everything and flawless, and they're just the here.

2085
01:48:27,159 --> 01:48:29,520
It's like fan fiction. Is you're playing out this fantasy

2086
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,399
with with the character inserted.

2087
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 6: My question is would you have that same complaint if

2088
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:34,520
it was a guy instead of a girl.

2089
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. And I don't know

2090
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,319
that way, but that yes, I would.

2091
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:42,039
Speaker 6: The whole thing was nobody nobody complained about.

2092
01:48:42,079 --> 01:48:43,520
Speaker 1: It was a disaster.

2093
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 4: How was it a disaster?

2094
01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 5: It was?

2095
01:48:47,399 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 2: It took us down a road to nowhere.

2096
01:48:50,119 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 1: It took somewhere. Johnson, Ryan Johnson hadn't decided to totally

2097
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,079
abandon He blew up the.

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Speaker 4: Bridge absolutely it's not only that, it's worse.

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Speaker 1: If you take Force Awakens in isolation. I like great

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beginning to get start that nobody delivered on.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's that's true.

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Speaker 6: I agree with that.

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Speaker 4: Then, So the so the problem is, here's the problem.

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They went into the trilogy with no plan. That's not

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like it's not like they said, all right, here are

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the clues that are going to pay off in the

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second and third act. He walked away not knowing what

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was gonna be in the second and third act. I

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agree with you. Ryan Johnson came in, so look, there's

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this exercise, improv exercise writers do. It's a lot of fun.

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You write your part and it's a story prompt for

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the next guy, and you just kind of like, this

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is improv exercise and you don't know where it's gonna

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end up. They did that with Star Wars. You don't

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do that for a property that you spent four billion

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dollars on the whole world's in love with. Okay, so

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here exactly what happened because came back and he didn't

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know what he was gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Here, let me say this, because you brought up improv

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the the for actors, I'm a theater, major performance, major

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drama degree. If you're doing improv, you never say no,

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that's not what we're gonna do. You The words that

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you say are yes and yes, and that's the way

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you lead off if you were an actor in improv.

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And so if they've decided to improv this, okay, I

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don't really think that's what they decided to do. But

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if that's what they decided to do, Ryan Johnson has

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to go yes, and but he didn't. He went, no,

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that's not really what we're doing here. We're doing something

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completely different, and so he bombed the beauty of the

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improv if that's what it was.

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Speaker 5: But there's no friggin'.

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Speaker 1: Way that they started this idea of three sequels, a

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trilogy of sequels, and didn't have an idea what the

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arc of the story was. It had to have happened.

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What had to have happened is jj Abram said, I

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will come in for the first one. I just you know,

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I need to know where this is going. He looks

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at the scripts ideas and says, I like this arc.

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We can go there, and he delivers on Force Awakens,

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and then Ryan Johnson comes in and says, I don't

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like these ideas. I'm gonna I'm gonna totally go in

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a separate direction of this, and the powers that be

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at Disney at that point needed to say, no, no, Ryan,

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we're letting you direct this. We're not letting you rewrite

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the entire trilogy. That's absurd. But that's what happened. They

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sat on their heels and they did nothing to stop

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him from rewriting everything. And then whenever Jason Colvin called

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him on the phone and said, you guys are all

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a bunch of idiots, they said, oh gosh, we gotta

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we got to backtrack. We gotta put the eggs back

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in the brownies. And it was a miserable experience.

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Speaker 2: This is the best time for me to ever walk

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into chat is Aya.

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Speaker 4: So do you blame Ryan Johnson, who's approved talented filmmaker,

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or do you blame Kathleen.

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Speaker 3: Kennedy yes, letting him do it, yes, yes, okay, And

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George Lucas.

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Speaker 2: For selling it okay. No, Well, I thought that was

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a good idea at the time.

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Speaker 6: George Lucas has already taking a shit on his own creation.

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Everything he can slap that Star Wars logo on, he

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put it on. You know, it didn't matter if it

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was underwear, toothpaste, whatever he was. There was one hundred

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different novels. There's all kinds of Hey, let's make more toys,

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let's do no, no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 6: He he was already not happy with his movie. He

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kept messing with him, tweaking them, doing them over to oh,

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let's do this, let's do the special istions.

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Speaker 5: So I used to that.

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Speaker 2: He was just as he's not inno sense.

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Speaker 6: No he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's not innocent, but he comes out smelling like roses.

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After seeing part nine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I still thinks are better than the pre series.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hang on da no Jeff's answer answer. You can

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set fire to episodes one, two, and three and they

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never exist, or you can set fire to seven eight

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nine and they never exist.

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Speaker 5: What do you do, Dave?

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Speaker 4: I'm setting fire to seven, eight and nine.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Jeff flamethrow seven eight nine man.

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Speaker 1: No way, no, no freaking way. Yes, I hate nine

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above all of the other people. I mean, I hate nine.

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You just said you hated eight too. I don't hate eight.

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I'm mad at what he did, but I don't hate it,

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you know, I don't it was. It was acceptable if

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you can finish it. If you can finish if you

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are the if you're the kad who in the improv

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class said no, you're in my house, man. If if

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you're the jerk who says, well, no, we're not doing that, JJ,

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we're doing something else, and you go down that road. Okay,

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but if that.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter though we here we are he hit.

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Speaker 1: Say you can't say no and again. You have to

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go yes, end because if you say no and again,

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then you're just like, let's.

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Speaker 2: Just then is burning all the ground burn?

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Speaker 4: And episode nine felt like a reaction to fan reaction.

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Speaker 6: It was the right way to go.

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Speaker 1: I understand all of that. It's suggest that one, two,

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and three are so bad, so bad.

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Speaker 6: There's definitely a lot. There's, like I said, there's one

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really good movie in the prequels, and there's two that

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there's a bad one, and then there's an average one

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which

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Speaker 2: Is basically the same as seven, eight nine, except they

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take us nowhere.