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So I did end up watching it?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: I watched the The Tucker Carlson versus Ted Cruz TCVTC.
It wasn't an interview, was an argument. It was a
two hour long argument and I basically watched it twice.
So you don't have to, well, I mean you can.
I'm not telling you that you shouldn't. I'm just saying
you don't have to. I'm gonna give you some of
the highlights. I'm gonna focus on the portion of the
which was most of the two hours. It was focused
on Israel and to a lesser extent, Iran, but mainly Israel.
That's what Tucker came to talk about, and that's what
he came to grill Ted Cruz about. And I don't
think either of them came out looking very good on this.
So Ted Cruz has this habit of doing these very
long pauses between sentences, like he's sort of racking up
the argument in his mind before he launches into it.
And the problem is that when he pauses for so
long in between the periods, at the end of his sentences,
Carlson is able to interject and then send the conversation
in a different direction, rather than Cruz bringing it back
to the point he was trying to make. He did
try to do that a couple times. But I think
Scott Pinsker over at PJ Media, I think he's exactly
right that this was a bad faith interview. I don't
even think it was really an interview. It was a
debate and one guy came to talk, Pinsker says, and
the other came for blood, and I think Cruz came
into it thinking it was going to be a lot
more friendlier, and Carlson came in looking to get clicks.
That's just my opinion. I don't know if that's true.
That's just my read on it. I have not watched
Tucker Carlson's podcast shows, or's his YouTube shows whatever. I've
not watched them for a very long time. I don't
particularly care for the guests that he thinks are interesting.
I do not find them interesting. I find them to
be a little wacky. I find Tucker Carlson to be
a little whacky nowadays. In fact, I think he's never
really been the same since he ditched the bow tie.
I cannot I cannot prove causation on that, but it
just seems like that's when things really started going off
the rails. Or maybe this has always been Carlson, but
when he was working for major outlets like Fox News,
maybe they had erected guardrails around him and so some
of this stuff never got out. But you know, when
you platform guys like that Martyr made Moron and you
platform you know, Jeffrey Sachs repeatedly and cat Turd two
like these are the people that you're bringing on and
you're just asking questions always just asking the questions.
Speaker 1: In fact, he mentions.
Speaker 2: That very line and admits that that's all I'm doing.
Scott Pinsker says the benefit of the long form platform
was that it facilitated and open ended, free floating conversation
where both sides learned more about the other. But there
was an important catch right with the rise of podcasts
these long form chats. It only works if both parties,
both sides approach it in good faith. You had to
really truly care about what your subject has to say
if you're doing an interview in a long form like this.
And I've heard Rogan, Joe Rogan explain this that when
you have somebody at the table with you for three hours,
they can't, like politicians are very adept at this, you know,
tap dancing through an answer and then moving on, because
they know you're up against a clock. When you sit
for three hours. You cannot keep that going for the
full three hours, and so eventually the subjects kind of
wear down and you get more of a glimpse at
who they really are and what they really think, and
they can't dodge questions repeatedly throughout the entire interview. And
that's the thing about Joe Rogan, and I don't agree
with everything that Rogan says or believes or the guests
he brings on either, but he does seem to be,
as Pinsker notes, genuinely curious about his guests. I have
found that to be true. He doesn't invite people on
to mock them or belittle them. He's not trying to
settle stupid feuds or score points or play a political
game of gotcha. But that sure wasn't Tucker Carlson's approach
during his astonishingly mean spirited interview with Ted Cruz. The
ex Fox News host had absolutely no interest in hearing
Cruz's opinions or to better understand his position in President
Trump's position on Israel, Iran or anything else, even though
by the way I would add that he would say,
I'm just trying to understand this, and then as soon
as Cruz would start trying to explain it, Carlson went
interrupt him and ask some other just asking questions, kind
of a question. His purpose wasn't to have a grown
up conversation about grown up issues, but to mock and
belittle Ted Cruz. So the video goes viral. Tucker Carlson
at one point, you'll hear me says, I don't think
I'm obsessed with Israel in a podcast where Israel was
mentioned one hundred and forty times. Cruz tried to be conciliatory.
At one point, He's like, let's turn down the temperature.
Here he was at times polite and respectful. Carlson responded
with rudeness, condescension, personal attacks, and multiple times just laughing
right in Cruises face. But that's a tick of Carlson's.
He's done that forever. At one point, Carlson says, no,
Iranian is trying to kill me, which is weird because
unless he's developed some sort of an immunity to radiation,
I'm not sure that's true. Meanwhile, you know, Carlson has
been on this campaign to derail the most delicate, high
stakes foreign policy initiative of the Trump presidency, which is
supporting our ally Israel. Now, maybe your argument is that
you don't think Israel should be our ally Okay, well,
then make that argument you don't think Israel is worthy
of ally status, But Israel is trying to defang the
Iranian nuclear menace. Now, maybe you don't think Iran poses
any sort of a nuclear menace make that argument Carlson
never does, and trying to keep us out of another
quote forever war. And Carlson makes note of this that
you never know once the shooting starts, you never know
how it's going to unfold, and he is right about that,
but that doesn't address the support for Israel doing what
it's doing. And the constant gotcha's like, oh, we're involved militarily.
You're saying, oh, and I played this the clip yesterday.
But Carlson just comes across as utterly bad faith, not
interested in debating the merits, but more interested in scoring
political points. And then he took offense when Ted Cruz
implied that he is anti Trump.
Speaker 1: He said, I love Trump, I voted for Trump. I
talked to Trump last night.
Speaker 2: But you'll recall, maybe or maybe not, it was Tucker
Carlson who in text messages revealed during the Dominion Voting
System's lawsuit that he was isn't really a big fan
of Donald Trump's. Now maybe his views have changed. And
he said this also a couple of times in the
in the debate with Cruz, that you know, he's changed
his positions on a lot of things over the years.
He cannot promise consistency, but he will promise sincerity, and
I honestly don't believe that he can promise that either.
I mean, this is the guy who texted which came
out in that lawsuit. We are very very close to
being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait.
I hate him passionately. That's what he said after or
on January fourth, twenty twenty one, so after the entire
first term of Trump, right before j Sex. That was
Carlson's view of Donald Trump. And again maybe he changed
his views on Trump, and now he loves Donald Trump
while he opposes virtually every military action Donald Trump has taken.
Speaker 1: That's possible. I guess.
Speaker 2: This again is from Scott Pinsker at PJ Media. He says,
if you want to call it a debate, Carlson, ie,
he dominated the argument, delivered the cruelest barbs and battered
Cruise at will, which is no easy fea because Cruise
is a skilled and talented debater.
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All right, So Scott Pinsker at PJ Media, he says,
if it was a if you want to call it
a debate, Carlson ie, no easy feed because Cruz is
a skilled, talented debater. And I added one caveat here,
which is on a clock, Ted Cruz on a stage
with a timer, debating somebody where he knows he's got
two minutes and it's all his right, he is good.
The problem is if he's not on a clock, if
he's not on a stage where he is the only
one on the stage doing a speech or something, or
if he's you know, on the Senate floor or whatever,
if he controls the time, then he is very good.
Arguing in front of the Supreme Court also very good.
Not so good when he's dealing with somebody like Tucker
Carlson during this argument. Or remember in twenty fifteen, I
think it was Ohio and he's going to an event
and he's talking to voters and there was a Trump
supporter there and the guy just keeps just slamming him
with these personal insults. Every time Cruise stops to take
a breath to reframe his train of thought, you know,
reframe his argument or whatever. And he takes these long
pauses of about two seconds, which is a long time
in a discussion or in an argument. So he takes
these long pauses to think about what he's about to say,
and then in that gap comes the insult or the
deflection or a pivot to a different question. If you're
talking about Tucker Carlson in the case of the guy
up in Ohio, that voter, he's like, yeah, I mean,
you stink, you know, just throwing these attacks against Cruse,
and it makes him look like he's losing because he's
just getting he's taking this barrage of personal insults. So
Pinsker says this was an unfair contest because only one
side was actually playing to win. Cruz tried to have
a conversation with somebody that he naively considered a friend.
Carlson wanted Cruise his head on a pike. So again,
one guy came to talk, the other guy came for blood.
And at one point Carlson actually called Ted Cruz a neocon.
He said, I haven't called you a neocon once, but
you are, which would be calling him anon.
Speaker 1: But for the record, Ted Cruz opposed.
Speaker 2: The Iraq War unlike Carlson, but now Cruz supports Israel,
so now he's a neocon. See these arguments and these
labels don't mean much. This is why Carlson has been
tagged with this I think appropriate tag of woke right.
There is a collectivism right. When you're talking about the woke,
you're talking about not just ideologies, you're talking about tactics.
Speaker 1: They're collectivists.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the view of everybody and everything through
oppressor versus oppressed worldview. And what the woke right does
is they swap out the victim classes. They swap out
the collectivists or the collectivism that they belong to. So
they advocate the same sorts of tactics, the same sorts
of strategies, the same way of thinking, the dialectic to
use a Marxist term. But they claim they're not the
woke left, but they do share all of that same
sort of DNA and that's why they get so mad
when you call them whoa right. But that's why Carlson
has been tagged with this, Okay, I got time. Yeah,
we'll start this first clip. Carlson then asks a question
about Israel spying on US officials, right, that's and we
played that clip yesterday, Like I can't believe that we're
giving them money and they spy on us and cruises like, well,
all of our allies spy on us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not good. You should say it's not good.
Speaker 2: And then he uses that question to then pivot into
a line of questioning about APAK America Israel Political Action Committee.
Speaker 3: So I gotta say, and this is it's weird. We're
talking about isolationists, the obsession with Israel. Why is Israel?
I don't think I'm obsessed with this, right, okay, but
a lot of people are. And like the question, Israel
spies on us, well, so does every other country. Why
are you mad at Israel? I? Guess no, no, I'm I'm
I'm hardly the one who's doo. I've never taken money
from the Israel lobby. Have you taken money from the
Israel A pack? So APAK raises a lot of money
for me, but it's actually a misnomer because the people
who raise money are individuals. So it's not the pack itself,
but they're individual members in the American Israeli UH friendship.
Speaker 1: And the lack of foreign lobby. No, it's an American lobby.
Speaker 3: It's the APACK stands for the America Israeli Political Action
What is it lobby for? So, to be honest, not
a whole lot effectively. Listen, I came into to Congress
thirteen years ago with the stated intention of being the
leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate. I've
worked every day to do that. Apak A lot of times, Apak,
I wish were much more effective. Like they're books are
in the swamp of terrified of APAC an a pack.
Speaker 4: I'm not terrified of APAC at all. You're the one
who seem a litt uncomfortable. I'm asking now, it's not
uncomfortable all.
Speaker 1: I'm just asked. See what he's doing. You can hear
what he's doing.
Speaker 2: First, he calls it the Israel Lobby, Right, it's the
America Israel Political Action Committee. They take donations from Americans.
These are Americans who want a close relationship with Israel.
It's not the Israel lobby. These are Americans making donations
saying we want to be allied with this other country,
and so we are going to put money to elect
candidates that agree with us. That's not the Israeli government
lobbying our government.
Speaker 4: Asking what APAC does, my understanding having known l people
who could tell you that is lobby is on behalf
of the Israeli government.
Speaker 2: Okay, And Cruise is right that they lobby on behalf
of the Israeli government. That's not true. They are not
paid by the Israeli government. These are American donors.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, When was the last time APAC took the
position that deviated from Prime Minister Nan Yahoo.
Speaker 1: All the time? Name one.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me go back and get a little history.
If you want to do a deep dive on APAC,
you don't. I want to do a shallow dive to
get no, no, no, I want to get to the core question.
APAK is lobbying for a foreign government, and I don't again.
Speaker 2: False, he does it again. They're lobbying for a foreign government.
Words mean things. That's not true. It's not lobbing for
the United States.
Speaker 3: It is lobbying for a strong US Israeli relationship.
Speaker 1: Okay, and so it's not has nothing to do with
foreign government.
Speaker 3: It wants American Israel to be closely allied, Okay, but
it's lobbying on behalf of the interest of another.
Speaker 1: So that's not true at all, and.
Speaker 2: Lobbying on half of the interests of a foreign government.
See again, it's like this foreign influence. It's all about
the foreign influence. Again, these were American donors, Americans who
want to be closely allied with Israel, and they organize themselves,
they pull their money and they try to elect candidates
that agree with him, And it's not true.
Speaker 4: No, how much contact do you think APAC leaders have
for the government of Israel.
Speaker 3: No idea, I imagine some. I think the government of
Israel is often frustrated with APECK. Do you think there's
any not nearly strong enough.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's any coordination between the government of
Israel and APAC.
Speaker 1: Do they talk? Sure?
Speaker 3: If you're lobbying for more US Mexico trade, would you
talk to people in the US and Mexico and the
government sure?
Speaker 4: Like like if so, I'm not mad about that. There
are million countries that lobby Washington.
Speaker 3: I like a lot of those countries, including the KID,
But APECK are Americans but there are tons of Americans
who lobby on behalf of foreign governments. I know them,
I'm related to some of them. I know how it works.
I'm from here.
Speaker 4: So my question is not is it outrageous that foreign
governments lobby the United States? They all do, okay, including Israel.
My only question is why don't we admit that is
what's happening. You're denying it, but it's true. And why
why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby because they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not a foreign lobby, No, they're not.
Speaker 4: And this is that there's a fever swamp. Look, it's
not a fever swamp. These are very reasonable questions. And
you've accused me of being obsessed with Israel, which I'm not.
I actually haven't. I've seen fevers about it, which I'm
not at all. I'm just I find it. It's a
very tender spot when you ask it. And I don't
know why. He does know why. He absolutely knows why,
because this is the game of foot. See that the
wokewright plays with anti Semitism. This is what they traffic in.
Now they've got a lane.
Speaker 2: Their audience loves it, and so they're throwing the clickbait
to their audience to get the watches, to get the engagements.
That's my assumption. They're captured by their audience. I don't
know if they believe it or not, but they have
found that it makes the money. A lot of bots
online that really love what they're churning out. That's just
one hypothesis. That's the charitable one.
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Just Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WVT just asking questions.
There are Americans who believe that an alliance with ISEL
is in America's interest. Those Americans who believe that donate
money to Apak. Apak then uses that money to support
candidates that also agree with that objective. Ted Cruz says
during this interview or this argument with Tucker Carlson that
he came into the Senate.
Speaker 1: This is his line.
Speaker 2: I came into the Senate with the stated intention of
being the leading defender of Israel in the Senate. Okay,
So his view on Israel when he came in was
he wanted to be the leading defender of Israel in
the US Senate. Does that mean that that's the only
thing he focuses on. No, it means when he's talking
about Israel, he wants to be known as the leading
defender of Israel, okay. And you could disagree with that
or not. You could say he's not accomplished it or whatever.
It doesn't matter to me, but that's what he said.
That then gets twisted by Carlson because Cruise goes on
to talk about how Obama's deal with the Iranian regime
split the Congress because Obama had told Democrats you either
stand with Israel or you're a Democrat and you stand
with me and this deal. And ever since then Apak
was gutted. Basically, Democrats abandoned Apek because they were Democrats first.
Carlson then agrees that APAK is not all powerful and
that they're not running everything.
Speaker 4: I'm only trying to get to the question of what
a pack is. And I don't think you're being straightforward
about it. And APAK is lobbying on behalf of the
interests of a foreign country and they're not registered, and
you're saying, no, that's not true. You're saying that they
don't coordinate with the Israeli government. I coordinate that they do.
They talk with them. I don't know what they do.
Why don't you care? Isn't it meaningful if a foreign government? Yeah,
I talk with Israel all the time, all the time.
But the law is, and a lot of people can
prosecutorner this law that if you are lobbying on behalf
of foreign government, you must register.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's really simple. And I don't know why.
Speaker 4: If I'm working for Malaysia Qatar or Belgium working for
and I'm working on behalf of its government's interest through
a group of Americans who are representing the friendship between
those two nations, I have to register under the Foreign
Agent Registration Act.
Speaker 1: And if I don't, I can go to jail. And
people have gone to jail, and people I know.
Speaker 4: So I don't understand why we don't just be honest
and say they're a lobbying on behalf of foreign government.
Speaker 1: They're coordating with the government. You know that that's true.
That is not only not true, that is false. Right.
Speaker 2: So Carlson is asking these questions, and what Cruz is
telling him is it's false.
Speaker 1: Cruz disagrees. He just disagrees.
Speaker 2: So then Carlson accuses Cruz of not caring, right, and
he assumes Cruz's motive, but he does, he just disagrees,
and he keeps saying lobbying on behalf of the interests
of Israel, that they're coordinating lobbying on behalf of a
foreign government. And he keeps interchanging all of these phrases,
but they don't all mean the same thing. And then
he shifts again.
Speaker 4: The question is, is are APEX goals shaped by the
goals of the Israeli government to any extent?
Speaker 2: That's a different question. Are goals shaped by the goals
of the Israeli government? So now it's not a coordination
per se. Now it's not I'm working on your behalf.
Now it's okay, we have some goals, and then you're
shaping my goals. Like He's all over the map on this.
If you work for it, if Israel hires a lobbying
firm to go lobby for them, that firm registers as
a foreign agent, that's the Fara Act. But APAC doesn't
do that. According to Ted Cruz, Carlson has a different opinion,
but hasn't offered any evidence to support that.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a really simple from lobbying on behalf of
a simple question?
Speaker 4: Is ap are APEX goals shaped by the goals of
the Israeli government? And I'm just gonna ask you a
question straightforwardly, and if you say no, I think we
both know.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Are they shaped by is that it is?
Are they coordinating with the Israeli government? Are they.
Speaker 3: Directing that? What you want to talk about, Farah? The
law on lobbying on behalf of someone? It is I
hire you, and you lobby on behalf of me. I
direct you. Does Israel direct APAC? No, they're not lobbying
on behalf of them. Do they care about them?
Speaker 1: Yes? But do you think that it's.
Speaker 4: Just interesting because what you're now describing in a very
defensive way, I will say, is foreign influence over our
politics now, and it's so transparently obvious to everybody. I
don't know why you would be embarrassed of but you've
said that you are sincerely for Israel. I believe you.
I don't think you have some weird agenda. You seem
to be by the way here.
Speaker 2: So there it is the foreign influence over our politics, right,
And that's that's always part of this argument that somehow
or another, Israel is controlling our politicians and they're doing
it through APAC or something.
Speaker 1: Is that the idea or they're doing it through the.
Speaker 2: Masade they're controlling our policies or something. Again, Remember, all
of this is simply about whether or not we continue
to support Israel in its efforts to wipe out Iran's
nuclear program, which has been the stated goal of America,
not allowing Iran to get a nuclear bomb. That's been
the stated position of America for decades.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: That's why we've done everything that we have done.
Speaker 2: Even like you could say Obama's effort, if you want
to give them the benefit of the doubt, even that
was an effort to keep them from getting the bomb.
I don't believe that, but I think that, like, that's
what their argument was, and that's what Democrats tell themselves.
He just had a different way of doing it, you know,
paying them a bunch of money to support terrorism, you
know around the Middle East. It it always, it just
always comes back to the same echoes of it's the Jews.
And you want to talk about getting defensive. Carlson gets
very defensive when Cruz mentions that you'll hear it up next.
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three WBT going over the Tucker versus Ted argument yesterday.
And the reason I'm doing this is because this is
a This is the distillation of the riff that has
opened up on the right among the MAGA influencer crowd,
some of them, not all of them hashtag, not all
mega influencers, but among a certain sect in the MAGA
influencer world. And MAGA and Trump and it's over Israel.
And so Tucker starts asking about the APAC and he's
throwing around terms like, oh, they're the is raely lobby there,
that they lobby on behalf of the government.
Speaker 1: And that's not true.
Speaker 2: They're not registered agents of Israel because they're not paid
by the Israeli government.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 2: It's these are Americans that want to support Israel. So
they band together just like people who are Second Amendment advocates.
They donate money to organizations to get people elected that
are pro Second Amendment. This was the Citizens United case,
right anyway, So he says Tucker says, he insinuates motive
for Ted Cruz and then says, ah, you're getting defensive
about this about me, you know, raising the specter of
foreign influence on our politics, which he had claimed that
he wasn't doing just a minute, literally a minute prior.
He says, I'm not saying that they're influencing our politics.
And then he immediately turns around and says, I'm just
asking questions about their influence in our politics, and then
it goes off the rails.
Speaker 3: By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing, the
obsession with Israel. Well, we're talking about for it. You're
not talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanese, you're
not talking about the Brits, you're not talking about the French.
Speaker 1: The question what about the Jews? What about the Jews?
Anti semi? Now, Senator, you're just in the question.
Speaker 3: You're asking why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy?
That's you just asked, hardly saying that, and I have
that it's exactly what you just said. Well, actually, I
can speak for myself and tell you what I am
saying on behalf, not simply of myself, but on my
many Jewish friends of Jewish friends, which is to what extent?
And it's interesting you're trying to derail my questions by
calling me an anti semi, which you are. I did not,
of course you are, and and rather than be honorable
enough to say it right to my face, are city
sleezy feline way implying it or just asking questions about
the Jews.
Speaker 4: I'm asking questions about the Jews I have. There's nothing
to do with Jews or Judas when it has to
foreign government.
Speaker 3: Is in Israel controlling our foreign policy. That's not about
the jew you said, I'm asked. By the way, You're
the one that just called I think a sleazy felive.
Speaker 4: So it's sleasy to imply that I'm an anti semi,
which you just did.
Speaker 3: No, I just you're asking give me another reason if
you're not an anti semi, give me another reason why
the obsession is Israel.
Speaker 4: I am in no sense obsessed with Israel. We are
on the brink of war with Iran, and so these
are valid questions, but you're not.
Speaker 2: Just if I can finish, He's exactly right, we're on
the brink of war with Iran, he says. But Cruz
points out, you haven't asked a single question about Iran.
Why why are all your questions about Israel? You asked
me why.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with Israel three minutes after telling me that
when you first ran for Congress, you elucidated one of
your main goals, which yes, to defend Israel. Yes, and
I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel. I don't see
a lawmaker's job as defending the interest of a foreign
government period, any government, including the ones that my ancestors
come from.
Speaker 1: So that's my position.
Speaker 4: That does not make me an anti semi And shit
on you for suggesting otherwise. And I mean that, and
that's low and you know it's low. So why you
just answer my question, well, you certainly have the IQ
to do it.
Speaker 1: Shame on you. Is cute, by the way, Tucker, it is.
Speaker 4: It's not cute. I'm offended. I'm obsessed with the Jews.
You just told me that it is sleazy to imply
that I'm an anti Semite for asking questions about how
my government is.
Speaker 3: You want to count how many questions you asked about
what about the Jews? What about Israel? What about any
you never asked about the Jews I have. This has
nothing to do with the Jews, whatever that means.
Speaker 2: By the way, this is one of the handy conflations
that Jew haters do. They talk about Israel and they're like,
I'm just I'm just you know, criticizing Israel. It's not
about the Jewish people. Even though like Israel is a
Jewish state. Right, that's a it's a popular conflation on
the woke right.
Speaker 4: This has to do with a foreign government, and once again,
shame on you for conflating the two.
Speaker 3: They have nothing to do with each other. I'm talking
about the influence to do with any other. All Jews
are an attack on all Jews, which I am not
nor would I ever be undertaking.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not attacking anybody, by the way.
Speaker 3: That's that's who Iran wants to kill is all the
Jews and all the Americans.
Speaker 1: And I'm totally opposed to that.
Speaker 4: Okay, But now, because decisions need to be made, we
can talk about those decisions, and I plan to good.
But I just want to get a sense of whether
you think, having described yourself as an America first person,
who's only criterion for judgment and foreign policies America's national interest,
to what extent you're influenced by a foreign government which
gives you a lot of money through its lobby, and
you're claiming this has nothing to do with foreign government.
They're not courted. Yes, they're spying on us, but doesn't
bother you. And I'm sort of wondering, like what is this?
This is the one of the weirdst conversations I've ever had.
I'll tell you what and I'll answer any question you like.
But let's try Are you going to call me an
anti Semite again? Or no, let's try to ratchet down
the temperature a little. You're the one who went to motive.
I'm asking honest questions. I'm just asking questions. Yes, that's it,
that is what I'm doing, just asking questions.
Speaker 2: Cruz explain how the lobbying money flows to the candidates
who already agree with the organization's positions, not the other
way around. APEC like the NRA, like I just explained,
supports him because they share his objectives. Carlson then says,
I'm not suggesting you're bought and paid for, which he
literally just did. And then he tries to reframe again.
Speaker 4: To what extent is the US government influenced by other governments?
And it's a lot. It's hardly just Israel. It's hardly
just Israel. I don't think Israel's the main one. There
are lots of governments in China. Is a massive influence
on the city, and it's a huge you know, I
couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: And there are lots of other the UK, which is
a truly sinister place.
Speaker 4: In my opinion as a ethnic brit I can say
I think it's that's my view.
Speaker 1: Maybe you disagree. I think they're on the wrong path
I love.
Speaker 4: Without even getting into that, I'm just saying I don't
think Israel's the only one, but it's the only one
where're instantly called an anti semi for asking questions.
Speaker 1: And it's also the only government that no one will
ever criticize.
Speaker 3: And criticize Israel every minute of every day, like the
only government that people will not criticize. Rashia Tali just
tweeting out is following Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal.
Speaker 4: We're really not, Tali. But no I said no one
will criticize I'm talking about Republicans that I would vote for,
including you, And.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a limiting factor there, right, So when you
said no one's allowed to criticize it, first off, everyone's
allowed to criticize it. In fact, that's all we've been
seeing on the streets and in the tenttifadas, in the
halls of Congress, at your local city council meetings and stuff.
That's all we've been hearing is criticism of Israel like this.
This is one of the most absurd arguments that I hear.
Speaker 1: Like, Oh, we as soon as we say anything bad about.
Speaker 2: It, we're we're labeled and we're we're attacked for it.
That means you can't say the things. No, you do
say the things people then respond to what you have said.
Speaker 4: That's all saying, you know whatever. I don't even like
talking about Israel. What I care about I never do
because it's not worth being called anti Semites from APAC recipients.
But now we are on the verge of joining a war,
and I just want to be clear about why we're doing.
Speaker 2: This, Okay, so I can explain it for Tucker Carlson. See,
there's a country and it's called Iran. We could start there,
all right, It's a country called Iran. I'm pretty sure
that Tucker knows the population and the ethnic breakdown of
this country. Actually, so I'm unclear why he's asking why
we're doing this. This country, Iran, has been in pursuit
of a nuclear weapon for a very long time. Israel
and America have endeavored to stop that because they pose
such a threat to both US, and then that's the argument,
all right.
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