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It's Thursday, June nineteenth. 12 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:37,960 Welcome the phone number seven oh four five seven zero 13 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:43,119 eleven ten. The email is Pete at Thepete calendarshow dot com. 14 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:44,840 So I did end up watching it? 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: I did. 16 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:54,039 Speaker 2: I watched the The Tucker Carlson versus Ted Cruz TCVTC. 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,679 It wasn't an interview, was an argument. It was a 18 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:05,719 two hour long argument and I basically watched it twice. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,120 So you don't have to, well, I mean you can. 20 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:13,120 I'm not telling you that you shouldn't. I'm just saying 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,599 you don't have to. I'm gonna give you some of 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,959 the highlights. I'm gonna focus on the portion of the 23 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:23,280 which was most of the two hours. It was focused 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:29,480 on Israel and to a lesser extent, Iran, but mainly Israel. 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,560 That's what Tucker came to talk about, and that's what 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,519 he came to grill Ted Cruz about. And I don't 27 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:42,400 think either of them came out looking very good on this. 28 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,079 So Ted Cruz has this habit of doing these very 29 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:53,400 long pauses between sentences, like he's sort of racking up 30 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:57,200 the argument in his mind before he launches into it. 31 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:00,079 And the problem is that when he pauses for so 32 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:03,200 long in between the periods, at the end of his sentences, 33 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:08,199 Carlson is able to interject and then send the conversation 34 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,000 in a different direction, rather than Cruz bringing it back 35 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:15,759 to the point he was trying to make. He did 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,879 try to do that a couple times. But I think 37 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:25,520 Scott Pinsker over at PJ Media, I think he's exactly 38 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:29,120 right that this was a bad faith interview. I don't 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,199 even think it was really an interview. It was a 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,240 debate and one guy came to talk, Pinsker says, and 41 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,919 the other came for blood, and I think Cruz came 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,400 into it thinking it was going to be a lot 43 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:49,879 more friendlier, and Carlson came in looking to get clicks. 44 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:53,159 That's just my opinion. I don't know if that's true. 45 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,240 That's just my read on it. I have not watched 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:02,360 Tucker Carlson's podcast shows, or's his YouTube shows whatever. I've 47 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,199 not watched them for a very long time. I don't 48 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:09,879 particularly care for the guests that he thinks are interesting. 49 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,439 I do not find them interesting. I find them to 50 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,199 be a little wacky. I find Tucker Carlson to be 51 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:19,960 a little whacky nowadays. In fact, I think he's never 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,479 really been the same since he ditched the bow tie. 53 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:27,560 I cannot I cannot prove causation on that, but it 54 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,759 just seems like that's when things really started going off 55 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:33,560 the rails. Or maybe this has always been Carlson, but 56 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:38,080 when he was working for major outlets like Fox News, 57 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:41,680 maybe they had erected guardrails around him and so some 58 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:44,240 of this stuff never got out. But you know, when 59 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:50,080 you platform guys like that Martyr made Moron and you 60 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,520 platform you know, Jeffrey Sachs repeatedly and cat Turd two 61 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,039 like these are the people that you're bringing on and 62 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,280 you're just asking questions always just asking the questions. 63 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:03,599 Speaker 1: In fact, he mentions. 64 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: That very line and admits that that's all I'm doing. 65 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:11,479 Scott Pinsker says the benefit of the long form platform 66 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:15,599 was that it facilitated and open ended, free floating conversation 67 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,319 where both sides learned more about the other. But there 68 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,279 was an important catch right with the rise of podcasts 69 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:30,040 these long form chats. It only works if both parties, 70 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,959 both sides approach it in good faith. You had to 71 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,079 really truly care about what your subject has to say 72 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,879 if you're doing an interview in a long form like this. 73 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,600 And I've heard Rogan, Joe Rogan explain this that when 74 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,480 you have somebody at the table with you for three hours, 75 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:57,079 they can't, like politicians are very adept at this, you know, 76 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,839 tap dancing through an answer and then moving on, because 77 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,439 they know you're up against a clock. When you sit 78 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,399 for three hours. You cannot keep that going for the 79 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:09,879 full three hours, and so eventually the subjects kind of 80 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:13,160 wear down and you get more of a glimpse at 81 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:15,560 who they really are and what they really think, and 82 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:22,800 they can't dodge questions repeatedly throughout the entire interview. And 83 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,519 that's the thing about Joe Rogan, and I don't agree 84 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,519 with everything that Rogan says or believes or the guests 85 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:31,759 he brings on either, but he does seem to be, 86 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:36,480 as Pinsker notes, genuinely curious about his guests. I have 87 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,480 found that to be true. He doesn't invite people on 88 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,079 to mock them or belittle them. He's not trying to 89 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,439 settle stupid feuds or score points or play a political 90 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:50,399 game of gotcha. But that sure wasn't Tucker Carlson's approach 91 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,240 during his astonishingly mean spirited interview with Ted Cruz. The 92 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:58,759 ex Fox News host had absolutely no interest in hearing 93 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,959 Cruz's opinions or to better understand his position in President 94 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:07,319 Trump's position on Israel, Iran or anything else, even though 95 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,360 by the way I would add that he would say, 96 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,839 I'm just trying to understand this, and then as soon 97 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,079 as Cruz would start trying to explain it, Carlson went 98 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,560 interrupt him and ask some other just asking questions, kind 99 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,480 of a question. His purpose wasn't to have a grown 100 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,480 up conversation about grown up issues, but to mock and 101 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,120 belittle Ted Cruz. So the video goes viral. Tucker Carlson 102 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,959 at one point, you'll hear me says, I don't think 103 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:37,319 I'm obsessed with Israel in a podcast where Israel was 104 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:44,560 mentioned one hundred and forty times. Cruz tried to be conciliatory. 105 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,839 At one point, He's like, let's turn down the temperature. 106 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:52,639 Here he was at times polite and respectful. Carlson responded 107 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:58,800 with rudeness, condescension, personal attacks, and multiple times just laughing 108 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,360 right in Cruises face. But that's a tick of Carlson's. 109 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:06,279 He's done that forever. At one point, Carlson says, no, 110 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:09,959 Iranian is trying to kill me, which is weird because 111 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,160 unless he's developed some sort of an immunity to radiation, 112 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:18,680 I'm not sure that's true. Meanwhile, you know, Carlson has 113 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,519 been on this campaign to derail the most delicate, high 114 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,040 stakes foreign policy initiative of the Trump presidency, which is 115 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:30,720 supporting our ally Israel. Now, maybe your argument is that 116 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:33,360 you don't think Israel should be our ally Okay, well, 117 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,040 then make that argument you don't think Israel is worthy 118 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:42,600 of ally status, But Israel is trying to defang the 119 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:46,759 Iranian nuclear menace. Now, maybe you don't think Iran poses 120 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,879 any sort of a nuclear menace make that argument Carlson 121 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:58,120 never does, and trying to keep us out of another 122 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:01,680 quote forever war. And Carlson makes note of this that 123 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:03,959 you never know once the shooting starts, you never know 124 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,279 how it's going to unfold, and he is right about that, 125 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:12,279 but that doesn't address the support for Israel doing what 126 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:17,800 it's doing. And the constant gotcha's like, oh, we're involved militarily. 127 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:21,199 You're saying, oh, and I played this the clip yesterday. 128 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,199 But Carlson just comes across as utterly bad faith, not 129 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:35,600 interested in debating the merits, but more interested in scoring 130 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:41,440 political points. And then he took offense when Ted Cruz 131 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,000 implied that he is anti Trump. 132 00:08:44,759 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: He said, I love Trump, I voted for Trump. I 133 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:47,679 talked to Trump last night. 134 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,279 Speaker 2: But you'll recall, maybe or maybe not, it was Tucker 135 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,919 Carlson who in text messages revealed during the Dominion Voting 136 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,919 System's lawsuit that he was isn't really a big fan 137 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,200 of Donald Trump's. Now maybe his views have changed. And 138 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,039 he said this also a couple of times in the 139 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,480 in the debate with Cruz, that you know, he's changed 140 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:12,399 his positions on a lot of things over the years. 141 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,840 He cannot promise consistency, but he will promise sincerity, and 142 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:19,080 I honestly don't believe that he can promise that either. 143 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:23,360 I mean, this is the guy who texted which came 144 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:26,240 out in that lawsuit. We are very very close to 145 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:30,279 being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait. 146 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:36,480 I hate him passionately. That's what he said after or 147 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:41,039 on January fourth, twenty twenty one, so after the entire 148 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,000 first term of Trump, right before j Sex. That was 149 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:50,879 Carlson's view of Donald Trump. And again maybe he changed 150 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:54,159 his views on Trump, and now he loves Donald Trump 151 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,480 while he opposes virtually every military action Donald Trump has taken. 152 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: That's possible. I guess. 153 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: This again is from Scott Pinsker at PJ Media. He says, 154 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:10,000 if you want to call it a debate, Carlson, ie, 155 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,440 he dominated the argument, delivered the cruelest barbs and battered 156 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Cruise at will, which is no easy fea because Cruise 157 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:17,559 is a skilled and talented debater. 158 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: I would add, on a clock, Ted Cruz is better 159 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,559 on a clock. 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And I added one caveat here, 186 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:55,879 which is on a clock, Ted Cruz on a stage 187 00:11:56,159 --> 00:11:59,919 with a timer, debating somebody where he knows he's got 188 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,639 two minutes and it's all his right, he is good. 189 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:08,320 The problem is if he's not on a clock, if 190 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,879 he's not on a stage where he is the only 191 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,399 one on the stage doing a speech or something, or 192 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,480 if he's you know, on the Senate floor or whatever, 193 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,679 if he controls the time, then he is very good. 194 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,759 Arguing in front of the Supreme Court also very good. 195 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,000 Not so good when he's dealing with somebody like Tucker 196 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:32,279 Carlson during this argument. Or remember in twenty fifteen, I 197 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,840 think it was Ohio and he's going to an event 198 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:37,720 and he's talking to voters and there was a Trump 199 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,679 supporter there and the guy just keeps just slamming him 200 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,960 with these personal insults. Every time Cruise stops to take 201 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,799 a breath to reframe his train of thought, you know, 202 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:51,720 reframe his argument or whatever. And he takes these long 203 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:55,120 pauses of about two seconds, which is a long time 204 00:12:55,159 --> 00:12:58,440 in a discussion or in an argument. So he takes 205 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,120 these long pauses to think about what he's about to say, 206 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,120 and then in that gap comes the insult or the 207 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,039 deflection or a pivot to a different question. If you're 208 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:12,080 talking about Tucker Carlson in the case of the guy 209 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:16,519 up in Ohio, that voter, he's like, yeah, I mean, 210 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,720 you stink, you know, just throwing these attacks against Cruse, 211 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,799 and it makes him look like he's losing because he's 212 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:29,720 just getting he's taking this barrage of personal insults. So 213 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:34,240 Pinsker says this was an unfair contest because only one 214 00:13:34,279 --> 00:13:37,240 side was actually playing to win. Cruz tried to have 215 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:40,399 a conversation with somebody that he naively considered a friend. 216 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:44,039 Carlson wanted Cruise his head on a pike. So again, 217 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,279 one guy came to talk, the other guy came for blood. 218 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:54,399 And at one point Carlson actually called Ted Cruz a neocon. 219 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,960 He said, I haven't called you a neocon once, but 220 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,480 you are, which would be calling him anon. 221 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: But for the record, Ted Cruz opposed. 222 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: The Iraq War unlike Carlson, but now Cruz supports Israel, 223 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,080 so now he's a neocon. See these arguments and these 224 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:18,519 labels don't mean much. This is why Carlson has been 225 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,240 tagged with this I think appropriate tag of woke right. 226 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,960 There is a collectivism right. When you're talking about the woke, 227 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:33,200 you're talking about not just ideologies, you're talking about tactics. 228 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,399 Speaker 1: They're collectivists. 229 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:38,919 Speaker 2: You're talking about the view of everybody and everything through 230 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,759 oppressor versus oppressed worldview. And what the woke right does 231 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:47,840 is they swap out the victim classes. They swap out 232 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,120 the collectivists or the collectivism that they belong to. So 233 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:56,200 they advocate the same sorts of tactics, the same sorts 234 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,519 of strategies, the same way of thinking, the dialectic to 235 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:06,120 use a Marxist term. But they claim they're not the 236 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,720 woke left, but they do share all of that same 237 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,279 sort of DNA and that's why they get so mad 238 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,919 when you call them whoa right. But that's why Carlson 239 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,159 has been tagged with this, Okay, I got time. Yeah, 240 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,879 we'll start this first clip. Carlson then asks a question 241 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:28,840 about Israel spying on US officials, right, that's and we 242 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:32,039 played that clip yesterday, Like I can't believe that we're 243 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:34,320 giving them money and they spy on us and cruises like, well, 244 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:35,879 all of our allies spy on us. 245 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not good. You should say it's not good. 246 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:42,879 Speaker 2: And then he uses that question to then pivot into 247 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:48,320 a line of questioning about APAK America Israel Political Action Committee. 248 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,519 Speaker 3: So I gotta say, and this is it's weird. We're 249 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:58,159 talking about isolationists, the obsession with Israel. Why is Israel? 250 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,840 I don't think I'm obsessed with this, right, okay, but 251 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:02,120 a lot of people are. And like the question, Israel 252 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:03,879 spies on us, well, so does every other country. Why 253 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:06,279 are you mad at Israel? I? Guess no, no, I'm I'm 254 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:09,080 I'm hardly the one who's doo. I've never taken money 255 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,240 from the Israel lobby. Have you taken money from the 256 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:14,960 Israel A pack? So APAK raises a lot of money 257 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,320 for me, but it's actually a misnomer because the people 258 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,919 who raise money are individuals. So it's not the pack itself, 259 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,320 but they're individual members in the American Israeli UH friendship. 260 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: And the lack of foreign lobby. No, it's an American lobby. 261 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: It's the APACK stands for the America Israeli Political Action 262 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,679 What is it lobby for? So, to be honest, not 263 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:40,039 a whole lot effectively. Listen, I came into to Congress 264 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,360 thirteen years ago with the stated intention of being the 265 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,080 leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate. I've 266 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:53,080 worked every day to do that. Apak A lot of times, Apak, 267 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:57,559 I wish were much more effective. Like they're books are 268 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,559 in the swamp of terrified of APAC an a pack. 269 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,039 Speaker 4: I'm not terrified of APAC at all. You're the one 270 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:04,720 who seem a litt uncomfortable. I'm asking now, it's not 271 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:05,440 uncomfortable all. 272 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm just asked. See what he's doing. You can hear 273 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,000 what he's doing. 274 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: First, he calls it the Israel Lobby, Right, it's the 275 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:17,319 America Israel Political Action Committee. They take donations from Americans. 276 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,440 These are Americans who want a close relationship with Israel. 277 00:17:20,759 --> 00:17:24,400 It's not the Israel lobby. These are Americans making donations 278 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,359 saying we want to be allied with this other country, 279 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,480 and so we are going to put money to elect 280 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,079 candidates that agree with us. That's not the Israeli government 281 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:34,599 lobbying our government. 282 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 4: Asking what APAC does, my understanding having known l people 283 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,640 who could tell you that is lobby is on behalf 284 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,720 of the Israeli government. 285 00:17:43,759 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: Okay, And Cruise is right that they lobby on behalf 286 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,680 of the Israeli government. That's not true. They are not 287 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:53,960 paid by the Israeli government. These are American donors. 288 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:58,599 Speaker 4: Oh okay, When was the last time APAC took the 289 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,359 position that deviated from Prime Minister Nan Yahoo. 290 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:03,759 Speaker 1: All the time? Name one. 291 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 3: Okay, let me go back and get a little history. 292 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:08,519 If you want to do a deep dive on APAC, 293 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,000 you don't. I want to do a shallow dive to 294 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:12,640 get no, no, no, I want to get to the core question. 295 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,200 APAK is lobbying for a foreign government, and I don't again. 296 00:18:16,279 --> 00:18:19,279 Speaker 2: False, he does it again. They're lobbying for a foreign government. 297 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:22,519 Words mean things. That's not true. It's not lobbing for 298 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:23,359 the United States. 299 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: It is lobbying for a strong US Israeli relationship. 300 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:29,599 Speaker 1: Okay, and so it's not has nothing to do with 301 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:30,279 foreign government. 302 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: It wants American Israel to be closely allied, Okay, but 303 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:40,440 it's lobbying on behalf of the interest of another. 304 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: So that's not true at all, and. 305 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,799 Speaker 2: Lobbying on half of the interests of a foreign government. 306 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,519 See again, it's like this foreign influence. It's all about 307 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:53,480 the foreign influence. Again, these were American donors, Americans who 308 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:57,799 want to be closely allied with Israel, and they organize themselves, 309 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:00,880 they pull their money and they try to elect candidates 310 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,680 that agree with him, And it's not true. 311 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: No, how much contact do you think APAC leaders have 312 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,079 for the government of Israel. 313 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: No idea, I imagine some. I think the government of 314 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:12,480 Israel is often frustrated with APECK. Do you think there's 315 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,640 any not nearly strong enough. 316 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 4: Do you think there's any coordination between the government of 317 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:16,599 Israel and APAC. 318 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: Do they talk? Sure? 319 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:22,519 Speaker 3: If you're lobbying for more US Mexico trade, would you 320 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:24,119 talk to people in the US and Mexico and the 321 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,799 government sure? 322 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 4: Like like if so, I'm not mad about that. There 323 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,400 are million countries that lobby Washington. 324 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: I like a lot of those countries, including the KID, 325 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,279 But APECK are Americans but there are tons of Americans 326 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:36,839 who lobby on behalf of foreign governments. I know them, 327 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:38,519 I'm related to some of them. I know how it works. 328 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,279 I'm from here. 329 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 4: So my question is not is it outrageous that foreign 330 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,359 governments lobby the United States? They all do, okay, including Israel. 331 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,680 My only question is why don't we admit that is 332 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,240 what's happening. You're denying it, but it's true. And why 333 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,680 why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby because they're not. 334 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: They're not a foreign lobby, No, they're not. 335 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 4: And this is that there's a fever swamp. Look, it's 336 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,359 not a fever swamp. These are very reasonable questions. And 337 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,400 you've accused me of being obsessed with Israel, which I'm not. 338 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,119 I actually haven't. I've seen fevers about it, which I'm 339 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,079 not at all. I'm just I find it. It's a 340 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,359 very tender spot when you ask it. And I don't 341 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,839 know why. He does know why. He absolutely knows why, 342 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,079 because this is the game of foot. See that the 343 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,799 wokewright plays with anti Semitism. This is what they traffic in. 344 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,400 Now they've got a lane. 345 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,279 Speaker 2: Their audience loves it, and so they're throwing the clickbait 346 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:31,519 to their audience to get the watches, to get the engagements. 347 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,119 That's my assumption. They're captured by their audience. I don't 348 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,200 know if they believe it or not, but they have 349 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:41,680 found that it makes the money. A lot of bots 350 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,920 online that really love what they're churning out. That's just 351 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,000 one hypothesis. 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Mail orders 370 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,720 are accepted to get all the details that createavideo dot com. 371 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:55,519 Just Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WVT just asking questions. 372 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,359 There are Americans who believe that an alliance with ISEL 373 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,799 is in America's interest. Those Americans who believe that donate 374 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:11,640 money to Apak. Apak then uses that money to support 375 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:18,279 candidates that also agree with that objective. Ted Cruz says 376 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,000 during this interview or this argument with Tucker Carlson that 377 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:24,119 he came into the Senate. 378 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: This is his line. 379 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: I came into the Senate with the stated intention of 380 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,920 being the leading defender of Israel in the Senate. Okay, 381 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,319 So his view on Israel when he came in was 382 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,480 he wanted to be the leading defender of Israel in 383 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:43,759 the US Senate. Does that mean that that's the only 384 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,839 thing he focuses on. No, it means when he's talking 385 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,000 about Israel, he wants to be known as the leading 386 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,640 defender of Israel, okay. And you could disagree with that 387 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:54,960 or not. You could say he's not accomplished it or whatever. 388 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,000 It doesn't matter to me, but that's what he said. 389 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:04,440 That then gets twisted by Carlson because Cruise goes on 390 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:07,319 to talk about how Obama's deal with the Iranian regime 391 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,640 split the Congress because Obama had told Democrats you either 392 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,200 stand with Israel or you're a Democrat and you stand 393 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,359 with me and this deal. And ever since then Apak 394 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:25,359 was gutted. Basically, Democrats abandoned Apek because they were Democrats first. 395 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,799 Carlson then agrees that APAK is not all powerful and 396 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:32,160 that they're not running everything. 397 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 4: I'm only trying to get to the question of what 398 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,200 a pack is. And I don't think you're being straightforward 399 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,079 about it. And APAK is lobbying on behalf of the 400 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,519 interests of a foreign country and they're not registered, and 401 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:43,440 you're saying, no, that's not true. You're saying that they 402 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,880 don't coordinate with the Israeli government. I coordinate that they do. 403 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,039 They talk with them. I don't know what they do. 404 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,799 Why don't you care? Isn't it meaningful if a foreign government? Yeah, 405 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,400 I talk with Israel all the time, all the time. 406 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,279 But the law is, and a lot of people can 407 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,799 prosecutorner this law that if you are lobbying on behalf 408 00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:03,079 of foreign government, you must register. 409 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: That's it. It's really simple. And I don't know why. 410 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 4: If I'm working for Malaysia Qatar or Belgium working for 411 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,480 and I'm working on behalf of its government's interest through 412 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,680 a group of Americans who are representing the friendship between 413 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,920 those two nations, I have to register under the Foreign 414 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,920 Agent Registration Act. 415 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,079 Speaker 1: And if I don't, I can go to jail. And 416 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,680 people have gone to jail, and people I know. 417 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,079 Speaker 4: So I don't understand why we don't just be honest 418 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,200 and say they're a lobbying on behalf of foreign government. 419 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: They're coordating with the government. You know that that's true. 420 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,839 That is not only not true, that is false. Right. 421 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: So Carlson is asking these questions, and what Cruz is 422 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,119 telling him is it's false. 423 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: Cruz disagrees. He just disagrees. 424 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,559 Speaker 2: So then Carlson accuses Cruz of not caring, right, and 425 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:50,279 he assumes Cruz's motive, but he does, he just disagrees, 426 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,880 and he keeps saying lobbying on behalf of the interests 427 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,519 of Israel, that they're coordinating lobbying on behalf of a 428 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:58,640 foreign government. And he keeps interchanging all of these phrases, 429 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,720 but they don't all mean the same thing. And then 430 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,880 he shifts again. 431 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 4: The question is, is are APEX goals shaped by the 432 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,079 goals of the Israeli government to any extent? 433 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: That's a different question. Are goals shaped by the goals 434 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,799 of the Israeli government? So now it's not a coordination 435 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,359 per se. Now it's not I'm working on your behalf. 436 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,319 Now it's okay, we have some goals, and then you're 437 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,039 shaping my goals. Like He's all over the map on this. 438 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:30,799 If you work for it, if Israel hires a lobbying 439 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,519 firm to go lobby for them, that firm registers as 440 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:41,559 a foreign agent, that's the Fara Act. But APAC doesn't 441 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,920 do that. According to Ted Cruz, Carlson has a different opinion, 442 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,680 but hasn't offered any evidence to support that. 443 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 3: Okay, that's a really simple from lobbying on behalf of 444 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:52,400 a simple question? 445 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 4: Is ap are APEX goals shaped by the goals of 446 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,599 the Israeli government? And I'm just gonna ask you a 447 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,839 question straightforwardly, and if you say no, I think we 448 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,240 both know. 449 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: That's not true. Are they shaped by is that it is? 450 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,880 Are they coordinating with the Israeli government? Are they. 451 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: Directing that? What you want to talk about, Farah? The 452 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,119 law on lobbying on behalf of someone? It is I 453 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,559 hire you, and you lobby on behalf of me. I 454 00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:19,680 direct you. Does Israel direct APAC? No, they're not lobbying 455 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,440 on behalf of them. Do they care about them? 456 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,279 Speaker 1: Yes? But do you think that it's. 457 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,039 Speaker 4: Just interesting because what you're now describing in a very 458 00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:31,400 defensive way, I will say, is foreign influence over our 459 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,400 politics now, and it's so transparently obvious to everybody. I 460 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,839 don't know why you would be embarrassed of but you've 461 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:39,799 said that you are sincerely for Israel. I believe you. 462 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:41,759 I don't think you have some weird agenda. You seem 463 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,000 to be by the way here. 464 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: So there it is the foreign influence over our politics, right, 465 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,960 And that's that's always part of this argument that somehow 466 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,880 or another, Israel is controlling our politicians and they're doing 467 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,680 it through APAC or something. 468 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:00,839 Speaker 1: Is that the idea or they're doing it through the. 469 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:05,799 Speaker 2: Masade they're controlling our policies or something. Again, Remember, all 470 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:10,359 of this is simply about whether or not we continue 471 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,039 to support Israel in its efforts to wipe out Iran's 472 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,599 nuclear program, which has been the stated goal of America, 473 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,119 not allowing Iran to get a nuclear bomb. That's been 474 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,359 the stated position of America for decades. 475 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 4: Now. 476 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: That's why we've done everything that we have done. 477 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: Even like you could say Obama's effort, if you want 478 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,640 to give them the benefit of the doubt, even that 479 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:38,839 was an effort to keep them from getting the bomb. 480 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,039 I don't believe that, but I think that, like, that's 481 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,640 what their argument was, and that's what Democrats tell themselves. 482 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,799 He just had a different way of doing it, you know, 483 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,240 paying them a bunch of money to support terrorism, you 484 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,200 know around the Middle East. It it always, it just 485 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:59,559 always comes back to the same echoes of it's the Jews. 486 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,119 And you want to talk about getting defensive. Carlson gets 487 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:08,319 very defensive when Cruz mentions that you'll hear it up next. 488 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,160 All right, if you're listening to this show, you know 489 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,240 I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, 490 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,319 and I know you do too, And You've probably heard 491 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,400 me say get your news from multiple sources. Why, Well, 492 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,160 because it's how you detect media bias, which is why 493 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,359 I've been so impressed with ground News. 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News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine 511 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:21,039 three WBT going over the Tucker versus Ted argument yesterday. 512 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,119 And the reason I'm doing this is because this is 513 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,319 a This is the distillation of the riff that has 514 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:34,319 opened up on the right among the MAGA influencer crowd, 515 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,880 some of them, not all of them hashtag, not all 516 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,960 mega influencers, but among a certain sect in the MAGA 517 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:49,480 influencer world. And MAGA and Trump and it's over Israel. 518 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,880 And so Tucker starts asking about the APAC and he's 519 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,000 throwing around terms like, oh, they're the is raely lobby there, 520 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,160 that they lobby on behalf of the government. 521 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,279 Speaker 1: And that's not true. 522 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: They're not registered agents of Israel because they're not paid 523 00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:10,759 by the Israeli government. 524 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: They are. 525 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,279 Speaker 2: It's these are Americans that want to support Israel. So 526 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,160 they band together just like people who are Second Amendment advocates. 527 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,599 They donate money to organizations to get people elected that 528 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,559 are pro Second Amendment. This was the Citizens United case, 529 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:35,519 right anyway, So he says Tucker says, he insinuates motive 530 00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:39,920 for Ted Cruz and then says, ah, you're getting defensive 531 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,960 about this about me, you know, raising the specter of 532 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,480 foreign influence on our politics, which he had claimed that 533 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:50,240 he wasn't doing just a minute, literally a minute prior. 534 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:52,559 He says, I'm not saying that they're influencing our politics. 535 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:54,799 And then he immediately turns around and says, I'm just 536 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,799 asking questions about their influence in our politics, and then 537 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:00,640 it goes off the rails. 538 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,279 Speaker 3: By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing, the 539 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,000 obsession with Israel. Well, we're talking about for it. You're 540 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,200 not talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanese, you're 541 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,079 not talking about the Brits, you're not talking about the French. 542 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:16,279 Speaker 1: The question what about the Jews? What about the Jews? 543 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,359 Anti semi? Now, Senator, you're just in the question. 544 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: You're asking why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy? 545 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,400 That's you just asked, hardly saying that, and I have 546 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:28,559 that it's exactly what you just said. Well, actually, I 547 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:30,240 can speak for myself and tell you what I am 548 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,000 saying on behalf, not simply of myself, but on my 549 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,839 many Jewish friends of Jewish friends, which is to what extent? 550 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,519 And it's interesting you're trying to derail my questions by 551 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:41,599 calling me an anti semi, which you are. I did not, 552 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,400 of course you are, and and rather than be honorable 553 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,039 enough to say it right to my face, are city 554 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,440 sleezy feline way implying it or just asking questions about 555 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:50,759 the Jews. 556 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,799 Speaker 4: I'm asking questions about the Jews I have. There's nothing 557 00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:56,200 to do with Jews or Judas when it has to 558 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,519 foreign government. 559 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,759 Speaker 3: Is in Israel controlling our foreign policy. That's not about 560 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:01,880 the jew you said, I'm asked. By the way, You're 561 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,119 the one that just called I think a sleazy felive. 562 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,119 Speaker 4: So it's sleasy to imply that I'm an anti semi, 563 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,880 which you just did. 564 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: No, I just you're asking give me another reason if 565 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,279 you're not an anti semi, give me another reason why 566 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,559 the obsession is Israel. 567 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,279 Speaker 4: I am in no sense obsessed with Israel. We are 568 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,720 on the brink of war with Iran, and so these 569 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,119 are valid questions, but you're not. 570 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: Just if I can finish, He's exactly right, we're on 571 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,200 the brink of war with Iran, he says. But Cruz 572 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,559 points out, you haven't asked a single question about Iran. 573 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,319 Why why are all your questions about Israel? You asked 574 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,200 me why. 575 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,599 Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with Israel three minutes after telling me that 576 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,319 when you first ran for Congress, you elucidated one of 577 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,000 your main goals, which yes, to defend Israel. Yes, and 578 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,400 I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel. I don't see 579 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,720 a lawmaker's job as defending the interest of a foreign 580 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,680 government period, any government, including the ones that my ancestors 581 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,079 come from. 582 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: So that's my position. 583 00:32:58,039 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 4: That does not make me an anti semi And shit 584 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,799 on you for suggesting otherwise. And I mean that, and 585 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,680 that's low and you know it's low. So why you 586 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,079 just answer my question, well, you certainly have the IQ 587 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:08,839 to do it. 588 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: Shame on you. Is cute, by the way, Tucker, it is. 589 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,359 Speaker 4: It's not cute. I'm offended. I'm obsessed with the Jews. 590 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,240 You just told me that it is sleazy to imply 591 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,880 that I'm an anti Semite for asking questions about how 592 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,519 my government is. 593 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,319 Speaker 3: You want to count how many questions you asked about 594 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:26,920 what about the Jews? What about Israel? What about any 595 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,039 you never asked about the Jews I have. This has 596 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,599 nothing to do with the Jews, whatever that means. 597 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: By the way, this is one of the handy conflations 598 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480 that Jew haters do. They talk about Israel and they're like, 599 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,440 I'm just I'm just you know, criticizing Israel. It's not 600 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,279 about the Jewish people. Even though like Israel is a 601 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,759 Jewish state. Right, that's a it's a popular conflation on 602 00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:49,559 the woke right. 603 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,799 Speaker 4: This has to do with a foreign government, and once again, 604 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,559 shame on you for conflating the two. 605 00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:57,519 Speaker 3: They have nothing to do with each other. I'm talking 606 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:01,240 about the influence to do with any other. All Jews 607 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,200 are an attack on all Jews, which I am not 608 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,880 nor would I ever be undertaking. 609 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: Now, I'm not attacking anybody, by the way. 610 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,079 Speaker 3: That's that's who Iran wants to kill is all the 611 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,239 Jews and all the Americans. 612 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: And I'm totally opposed to that. 613 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 4: Okay, But now, because decisions need to be made, we 614 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,960 can talk about those decisions, and I plan to good. 615 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,320 But I just want to get a sense of whether 616 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,159 you think, having described yourself as an America first person, 617 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,239 who's only criterion for judgment and foreign policies America's national interest, 618 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,840 to what extent you're influenced by a foreign government which 619 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,480 gives you a lot of money through its lobby, and 620 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,480 you're claiming this has nothing to do with foreign government. 621 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,360 They're not courted. Yes, they're spying on us, but doesn't 622 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,320 bother you. And I'm sort of wondering, like what is this? 623 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,320 This is the one of the weirdst conversations I've ever had. 624 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,760 I'll tell you what and I'll answer any question you like. 625 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,000 But let's try Are you going to call me an 626 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,360 anti Semite again? Or no, let's try to ratchet down 627 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,559 the temperature a little. You're the one who went to motive. 628 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,079 I'm asking honest questions. I'm just asking questions. Yes, that's it, 629 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,079 that is what I'm doing, just asking questions. 630 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 2: Cruz explain how the lobbying money flows to the candidates 631 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,840 who already agree with the organization's positions, not the other 632 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,239 way around. APEC like the NRA, like I just explained, 633 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,039 supports him because they share his objectives. Carlson then says, 634 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,320 I'm not suggesting you're bought and paid for, which he 635 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,280 literally just did. And then he tries to reframe again. 636 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,079 Speaker 4: To what extent is the US government influenced by other governments? 637 00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:29,360 And it's a lot. It's hardly just Israel. It's hardly 638 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,400 just Israel. I don't think Israel's the main one. There 639 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,679 are lots of governments in China. Is a massive influence 640 00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:35,559 on the city, and it's a huge you know, I 641 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:36,559 couldn't agree more. 642 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: And there are lots of other the UK, which is 643 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,039 a truly sinister place. 644 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,119 Speaker 4: In my opinion as a ethnic brit I can say 645 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:44,239 I think it's that's my view. 646 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:46,639 Speaker 1: Maybe you disagree. I think they're on the wrong path 647 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,440 I love. 648 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 4: Without even getting into that, I'm just saying I don't 649 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,679 think Israel's the only one, but it's the only one 650 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,199 where're instantly called an anti semi for asking questions. 651 00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: And it's also the only government that no one will 652 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,039 ever criticize. 653 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 3: And criticize Israel every minute of every day, like the 654 00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:06,320 only government that people will not criticize. Rashia Tali just 655 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,639 tweeting out is following Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal. 656 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 4: We're really not, Tali. But no I said no one 657 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,440 will criticize I'm talking about Republicans that I would vote for, 658 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,280 including you, And. 659 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,679 Speaker 2: Okay, so a limiting factor there, right, So when you 660 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,360 said no one's allowed to criticize it, first off, everyone's 661 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,639 allowed to criticize it. In fact, that's all we've been 662 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:32,559 seeing on the streets and in the tenttifadas, in the 663 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,960 halls of Congress, at your local city council meetings and stuff. 664 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,280 That's all we've been hearing is criticism of Israel like this. 665 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,719 This is one of the most absurd arguments that I hear. 666 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,559 Speaker 1: Like, Oh, we as soon as we say anything bad about. 667 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 2: It, we're we're labeled and we're we're attacked for it. 668 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,000 That means you can't say the things. No, you do 669 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,880 say the things people then respond to what you have said. 670 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 4: That's all saying, you know whatever. I don't even like 671 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,000 talking about Israel. What I care about I never do 672 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:05,559 because it's not worth being called anti Semites from APAC recipients. 673 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,719 But now we are on the verge of joining a war, 674 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,519 and I just want to be clear about why we're doing. 675 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,199 Speaker 2: This, Okay, so I can explain it for Tucker Carlson. See, 676 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,800 there's a country and it's called Iran. We could start there, 677 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,760 all right, It's a country called Iran. I'm pretty sure 678 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,000 that Tucker knows the population and the ethnic breakdown of 679 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,119 this country. Actually, so I'm unclear why he's asking why 680 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,800 we're doing this. This country, Iran, has been in pursuit 681 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,079 of a nuclear weapon for a very long time. Israel 682 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,280 and America have endeavored to stop that because they pose 683 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,960 such a threat to both US, and then that's the argument, 684 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:52,679 all right. 685 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,079 Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 686 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:55,639 for listening. 687 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 2: I could not do the show without your support and 688 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,639 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 689 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,079 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 690 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:04,840 them you heard it here. You can also become a 691 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,519 patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, 692 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,280 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 693 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,679 while I'm gone.