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Speaker 1: There it is.

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Speaker 2: That is the Washed the band is a cognition and

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I believe we have gen X with us via Microsoft teams.

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Jan are you there? Good morning, Good morning, welcome back

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to the show. You have been on, of course once

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before with your other band, and I remember we went

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through this and you'll have to refresh my memory.

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it Generations or Generation z yess Generations? So that's

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the other band that we had you on with. But

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this project, I really like this a lot.

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Speaker 1: Cognition. I love the sound.

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Speaker 2: We're going to play at the end of our conversation today,

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we're going to play the other single that you sent us,

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the game, which is also a really great track. But

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and where are you geographically? Are you in Missouri? Yeah,

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we're in Springfield, Springfield, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: How is that close to Saint Louis.

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Speaker 3: Three and a half hours?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Not close at all. Okay, what are you close to?

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Speaker 4: You?

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Speaker 2: We might have talked about this last time too, But

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is there what, like, what's the big big city that

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you're close to or is there one one?

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Speaker 3: Well, so we're so we are close.

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Speaker 1: To Branson, Branson.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm I actually live in Branson.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you live in Branson. Okay, gotcha, gotcha?

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Speaker 2: And what I do want to talk about the song,

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of some of the same members right in both.

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Speaker 3: Bands for a four out of five?

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Speaker 1: Four out of five?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now that's interesting because I mean, with with that

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that ratio, what can you describe the difference between the

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two projects in terms of I mean, if it's only

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one member different, like, tell us about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious about this.

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Speaker 2: How do you like, you know, because obviously you know

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they're both rock, they're both metal. But what what is

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the difference between the two bands Cognition and Generations?

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Speaker 4: Well, so both so the members all play different instruments too.

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but he's the guitar player for Cognition. Oh interesting, Michael, Yeah,

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guitar for Cognition.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: The guitar for Generations, but he plays the bass for Cognition.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Okay, that's cool. I've never I've never

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seen anything quite like that where you have you know,

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basically it's most of the same people with two different

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bands because they just play different instruments in the different projects.

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So well I believe so. Well. No, actually they were playing.

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Speaker 4: Cognition first, okay, and then started Generations. But I came

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now do any of these songs cross over? Do you

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Speaker 1: Because I was not yet, not yet, not yet.

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Speaker 4: No, It's it's funny because well, we recently unfortunately lost

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our drummer that you hear on both of our tracks,

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it's amazing how just one member can completely change the

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sound and the vibe of a band. Yeah, it's also

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interesting to me. I I was like, being the lead singer, you.

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sounding like the same band. But it really doesn't. Both

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bands are still completely different, even though you know I'm.

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Speaker 2: The same right right, Yeah, that that dynamic is very

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interesting to me. Well, let's talk about the song the Washed,

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because this is heavy stuff. And you know when you

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mean different things to different people, And of course there's

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no right or wrong answer, because art is up to

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the individual to interpret it however it means whatever it's

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this case as a listener. But but the song does

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have a very specific meeting from the meaning, from the

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point of view of what you wrote about and tell

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us about that, what is the washed about.

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anthem for trying to raise awareness and trying to come

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astating and everybody, every one of us in the band

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wrote for okay, So, yeah, we got to do something.

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being about something important. You know, even if they don't

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a challenge in terms of recording this?

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music is a coping mechanism. Uh, the best coping mechanism,

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for that aspect, because that is our space that we

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what's the reception been like? You know, I assume you've

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what what what's the reception been like to the song

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gonna be. And I and I'm nervous every time. It

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have graciously provided us with some photos of their family

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members that have been impacted. And uh, you know, we're

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gonna we're going to honor them in the videos.

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Speaker 3: So I'm I'm really excited about this one for sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's that's excellent.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like, you know, because when you mentioned

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the community, do you mean when you say community in

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music community? Because it seems like people who are artistic,

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of For whatever reason, musicians tend to very often be

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people who fall prone to addiction, whether it's fentanyl or

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Speaker 4: Mixture of both. I also, you know, joined some fitanel

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support groups. Oh wow, have some really great support groups

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Speaker 3: And I highly encourage that.

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Speaker 2: And why why the washed? What is what is the

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meaning of that term in the context of the song?

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the interpreter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it's you know, we're washing clean and

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starting over. Yeah, we all have mistakes, we all go

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Speaker 3: Shame.

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Speaker 4: When people carry shame, it leads to a lot of

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Speaker 1: Away right right now?

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Speaker 2: Have you have you had a chance to perform this live?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good?

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We don't know a lot about cognition. But so you've

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those the only two track so far?

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Speaker 4: Not yet, that's the only two, but we definitely have

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Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 4: That is kudos to Jeff Smith over at Studio twenty

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Speaker 4: So I believe Daniel has worked with him on projects previously.

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the sound uh is is great?

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a lot of suggestions or does he just obviously he

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gets a great sound out of you.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he we've kind of given.

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Speaker 4: Him the creative space to to see what he hears

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for generation, and then we go in this week for

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cognition and people ask me all the time, like which

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one do you like better? And it's hard because I

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love them both for different reasons.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Well tell us so what now I'm curious

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now that you said that, So what are the what

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are the things that you love? What are the different

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things that you love about each project?

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Speaker 4: So Cognition I feel like kind of is more connected

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to my roots, and uh, you know, I relate.

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songs in cogn Nition definitely hint more on my past,

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Speaker 4: And and then Generations I have.

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side of me, and and a lot.

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and and they have different feels in different vibes. Generation

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is definitely heavier, so it's kind of more I don't know,

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Gothic princess with.

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Speaker 3: Some Wichi vibes a little bit too. I love it.

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But and like I said, Cognition is more.

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turn it into that, but again, I kind of feel

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like it speaks kind of to my roots.

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Speaker 3: So it has a little bit more of a country

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vibe to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we might.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I'm probably gonna have time. I might sneak in.

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of minutes. We're gonna play the game. The other single

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that you sent us for cognition, but I think after

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that I might also sneak in that Generations track that

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we played before Seance, because I really liked that one

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a lot too, And for listeners who didn't get to

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hear that before when we featured that on the show,

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it'll be kind of a chance for them to sort

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of maybe compare and contrast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and tell us again.

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Speaker 2: Too about your roots. You know, you mentioned cognition kind

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of plays to your roots a little bit, and we

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did talk about that before when you were on the show.

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But again for newer listeners who might not know, tell

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us a little bit about your background.

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Speaker 4: So being raised in Branson, Missouri, which back in the

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nineties specifically was the country music capital of the world,

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and my parents were entertainers there. I grew up a

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child performer performing in the shows around here, and I

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you know, I mostly I guess you could say classically

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trained in country So mostly what I grew up doing

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was country music, Okay, But Rocks has always been the core.

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Speaker 3: Of my being.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to be able to do it, you know.

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Speaker 4: Again, coming into this, I was nervous how my tone

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was going to translate and see where it was going

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to go. But my voice has changed tremendously since I've

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started this project, so.

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Speaker 1: Oh has it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 4: It's grown a lot, it's deepened, it's my range has

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definitely changed, the tone has changed.

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Speaker 3: It's it's been cool.

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Speaker 1: Is that is.

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Speaker 2: That something you've tried to do intentionally or did that

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just happen organically over time?

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they get deeper, or even like doing this, like if

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I listen to a podcast I did twenty years ago,

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it's like almost sound like almost sound like a kid. Absolutely,

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does your approach to vocals consciously change when you're you know,

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when you started in these these bands?

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Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't know.

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that you did when you were singing country all the time,

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or or or did your approach intentionally change?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's all it's all changed.

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Speaker 4: And even when I go back to trying to sing

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other things, it sounds differently too, And I think some

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of that also just comes with, you know, the confidence

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growth as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting to me because a lot of the

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new country I'm talking about, like really new stuff that

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that is kind of you know, it almost has an eighties.

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hear that's that's still that makes it country because some

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of the some of the stuff, you know, like like

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my adopted son, Christian, he works at at ninety six

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point five, the big country station here in our area,

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and you know, so sometimes I'll tune in and it's

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a lot of it is it sounds like eighties rock.

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way that the vocal is just singing. There's like it's

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like they'll be just enough. It's subtle, they'll be just

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enough twang in the vocals where where you know, if

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somebody who's a rock singer who would never sung country,

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we're singing that exact same song, it would just sound

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like a rock song. It's really interesting to me. That's

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why I was curious about how your vocal approach might

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be different in these projects versus when you were singing

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country on a regular basis.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I you know, I'm I think we've all

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made it a point and I don't know, maybe that

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comes with age two, but we've definitely all made it

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a point to just be ourselves, like fully authentically and

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have a good time and whatever comes out comes.

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Speaker 3: Out, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so and we're experimenting, you know, that's part of

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it too, And music nowadays has.

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Speaker 3: There there are pros and.

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Speaker 4: Cons to how music has changed and blending the genres,

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because the genres are definitely getting blended and it's creating

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some really awesome stuff. So that's kind of what I

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feel like work we're doing as well. So we've got

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a couple of new songs coming out with Generations that

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are featuring some rap artists, so oh interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're mixing metal with rap artists.

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Speaker 1: So very cool.

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Speaker 4: Fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that is that's that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jen, like I said in a moment, we're gonna

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play the game another great track that I love from Cognition.

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So we'll we'll let you go in a second, but

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please let our listeners know where's the best place to

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go online for people who want to keep up with

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everything that Cognition is doing and you know Generations as well,

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Like where should people go online to keep up with

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these bands?

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Speaker 3: So we're on every you.

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Speaker 4: Know, so media platform. You can find us on Facebook,

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and Instagram. I have a personal Facebook because I also

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do some projects even just outside of that.

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Speaker 3: I did a nineties acoustic cover set last night.

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Speaker 4: I've got a national Anthem performance in a couple of

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weeks for like a professional wrestling event, and I've never

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been to a professional wrestling event, so I'm really excited

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about that.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be so much fun.

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Speaker 4: And that's the cool thing about about doing all these projects,

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and because you get to just experience so many new places,

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so many different people, so many great bands. Because there's

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so many great bands out there. Live music is not dead,

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and yeah, it's just been a journey and it's great.

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But you can find us on I have a TikTok,

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so we're just everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, excellent.

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Speaker 2: I do have to keep you a moment longer because

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you mentioned you're going to be seeing the national Anthem

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at a professional wrestling event. So I'm a big wrestling fan.

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I even do a podcast with a couple guys called

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Tough Bumps, So I just have to ask you, like,

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what is what is this wrestling event that you're gonna

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be singing the anthem at?

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Speaker 4: So it's show It's show me State Wrestling, which is

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like the Missouri Wrestling Organization I believe is uh doing

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an event in Fulton, Missouri. Okay, I can't can't remember

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the name of what the event is specifically, Oh, the

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Wyatt Wyatt International.

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Speaker 1: I think really Okay, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, they've had they've been promoting the crap out

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of it, and it looks like they have so many

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wrestlers coming.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm excited. It's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Oh, very cool. I'm gonna have to look that up online.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious now, and are you are you only performing

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or the national anthem or do they have you involved

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in anything? I hope no one's going to hit you

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with a chair or anything like that, but do they

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do they have you doing anything else at the event

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or just singing or maybe it's a surprise that you

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can't tell us.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well how we.

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Speaker 4: Got involved is they actually decided to use something wicked

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as their theme song for the event?

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Speaker 1: Oh the Generations track?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh wow, Oh.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. Okay, okay, yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 3: So I was excited about that.

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Speaker 4: And then we actually had Reaper Wrestling out of Canada

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pick up seance as their theme song for their next

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upcoming event.

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Speaker 1: Well that's a cool niche.

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Speaker 3: That was not expecting it. Yeah, I know, it's it's

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so cool. I'm just I'm honored and I love it.

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Speaker 4: And there was a festival in New York called the

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Something Wicked Festival and they picked up our song also

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for to be their theme song.

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Speaker 3: For the festival.

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Speaker 4: So I've I know, I guess I feel kind of

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dumb now for not realizing that that existed or that's

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the thing, but I didn't cool.

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Speaker 2: That is very cool. Well, congratulations on that. So we

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might have to I might have to sneak in Something

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Wicked too from Generations at some point in the show today.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on that. That's very very cool. Well, well, gen X,

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thank you again so much. It is wonderful to speak

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with you today. We'll let you go in a second.

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We're going to hit this track of the game, which

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I absolutely love Cognition. But as you're I'm glad you know,

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sounds like you got new music on the way. So

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as you're releasing new music, we'd love to play it

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here and we'd love to have you back soon. You

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got a lot of great stuff going on. Very positive

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and congratulations again on the Washed. That's a great song,

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very very powerful. Love that a lot so so again,

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we wish you continued success and we look forward to

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having you on again soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's always a blast, absolutely, jen all right, thank you,

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take care, have a good day.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon. I'm sure, take care. B all right,

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bye bye, all right.

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Speaker 2: That is jen X from the band Cognition and of

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course Generations as well. Might sneak in a couple of

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those songs, but right now we're going to play this.

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This is another great song from Cognition. This is called

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The Game. I really like the sound of this one.

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Check this out.