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Speaker 1: We're Tom a Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style

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Opinion Fest Telecitt's welcome back to another edition of the

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Pso I am the Tea and you're te Lo Tom

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Fitzgerald and I'm here with Hell and your te lot Lorenzo,

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my cousin, my lovely husband. How are you, lovely husband.

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Speaker 2: Oh wonderful. We're very very busy today.

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Speaker 1: Which is nice. This is not a complaint, not at all.

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The Venice Film Festival has started, and uh, you know,

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there's like a two week period in August where there's

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zero content. So we have been sweating out the month

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Speaker 2: Have a guess, so we're clean. We're doing a lot.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so we're very happy about Menice Film Festival

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and it's giving us a lot of content. We might

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though it is is a holiday weekend, but the work

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It's a holiday weekend and normally we don't do podcasts

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were had done eight straight in a row four and

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just like that, and I said to Lorenzo, I was like,

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I think I need a break, but I didn't want

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to take two breaks in a row. So we're doing

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one for a holiday weekend, and it's going to be

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a relatively short one. We're gonna stick to three TV shows,

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one that we have watched together and one each that

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talk about Megan again, which means we have a week

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of angry emails and angry redit I can't wait. But

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the second season of bo Love Megan and dropped. And

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enjoyed it. So we're going to talk about that. I'm

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going to talk about Alien Earth, which has been airing

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for the last month on Hulu in FX, and Lorenzo's

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going to talk about the Amanda Knox story. Yes, is

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that the name of it?

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Speaker 2: The Amanda No, it's called The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox. Yeah,

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which right there, we'll get into it. I only I

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didn't watch it because I hate true crime, and I

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by this. I don't know what the thing about that story. God,

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Speaker 1: About Okay, speaking of don't give a shit, Taylor and

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Speaker 2: Yes, like you know, very like not planned. They just

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had five hundred thousand flowers behind them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like like engagements are surprise parties.

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Speaker 2: Most engagements are playing anyway.

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gonna say something. No, I don't have you were just

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so No, it's I saw something angry about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not angry. It's just that I you know, you

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the tsunami starts again. It was very I was on

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TikTok and and somebody actually had a funny video saying, like,

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related to those two for the next you know, five years,

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because it's gonna be like insane. The I mean, we

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already got so many emails from pr companies and everything

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about the ring, the dress, the future dress, you know,

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the dresses she was wearing, and you know the dresses

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Speaker 1: So let me give you some options, right, It's just so,

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here's a wedding mob that we have on hand if

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you want to interview them for your pocket. Literally fifty

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of those within the first hour. I don't think people

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we get these publicist emails that don't ninety percent of

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them don't have anything to do with our job. We'd

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you know, educational operating looks, weird shit that, you know, breastfeeding,

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Speaker 1: And now these emails and they're all AI composed emails,

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so it's hello, Tom and Lorenzo, I really enjoy your

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incisive commentary on and it'll be like you know, the

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guilded age, you know, it's so anyway, they.

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it was one after another of We have a wedding

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expert on him. We have a diamond expert on hand

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if you'd like to interview them. We have Here are

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trends for engagement rings based on Taylor. There's just a

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whole industry of people that are behind announcements like these.

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sorts of things, that's why. And that's nothing against Taylor

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sound naive or whatever. Uh, those two are in love,

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like that's not a showman, So that's none of that.

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that they're engagement announcement spawned a whole industry wide response.

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and that there was going to be products and experts

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you know, a level of you know, buzz, right, But

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Speaker 1: I don't care. It's fine. I can't wait to see

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the dress and whatever. They're two self, you know, absorbed

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attention seekers in love let them out.

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five hundred thousand variants. You know, there's I don't know,

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it's so everything is so doubt immediately, because if you

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Speaker 1: And the breakup is gonna wield. You know about a

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know about a breakup. But

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it looks like she finally found a man.

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Speaker 2: We're back, and I'm going to talk about the new

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she's an American. I mean, she's America. Everybody knows. Everybody

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very short version. She went to Italy to study, and

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that she was, you know, get involved with everybody, you know,

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get in bed with everybody, and the roommate didn't like it.

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in Italy fucked up a lot about the evidence and everything,

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and it all started because pretty much she apparently first

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she said that she was with a boyfriend. Oh, you're

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going to just do the whole case. No, no, just

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just to give an idea, because though that stuff is

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important to understand why they went after her because she apparently,

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according to her and the boyfriend, they were together watching

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a movie. I'm Elie. Actually they were watching one of

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my favorite movies. And then she went home later and

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then h went home, the door was uh open or

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something like that, and then she went to the bathroom

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to take a shower. Now she says that why she's

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going to the bathroom to take a shower. She can't

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see her roommate and there's blood everywhere on the floor,

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kind of stuff. People were like, why did you take

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a shower when you can't find your roommate and there's

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blood everywhere? All that kind of stuff. Anyway, So it's

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there's so much, so much details, so many, so many details,

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so much stuff about it that.

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Speaker 1: What's the show, Like, isn't any good the.

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Speaker 2: Show that I'll get to the show now. So the

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show is about it's a story. Now it's I think

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it's produced by Amanda or it's her take, because it

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does sound like her take. Anyway, I know so much

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about it. I read so much about it. I watched

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so many videos about it. I had a different expectation.

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I thought it was going to be more like a

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documentary kind of show, you know, like a more serious take.

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I was a little surprised because it it to me

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felt like it it felt like, you know, I even

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said that to you, felt like, you know, Emiline Parry

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has gone wrong because it's so like upbeat and blah

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blah blah. She's going to Italy and she's a crazy girl,

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wild girl and then boom killer death, and it just

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felt it feels so weird, and there's a there's a scene.

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I've only seen two episodes because I didn't care to

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as for screen as I forgot and they only really

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drop them. Yeah, so they only released two episodes. So

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I only watched the first episode of the first two.

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She goes and tells her version and it's the whole

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thing is so you have to know the story to

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understand how crazy it is. She goes and testify talk

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about what she saw coming home. But she doesn't speak Italian,

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I mean barely. She hurts Italian is really bad, but

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she the whole interview is conducted in Italy, in Italian,

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and that she doesn't understand what they're asking, but she

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she's trying to answer anyway. Finally they bring it and interpreter.

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It's the whole thing is crazy. But there's a scene

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where she gets interviewed by the police and and and

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everyone is around her, and and everyone is yelling and

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shouting at her. And there's a scene where she's like

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going nuts because there's like twenty people in the room

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yelling at her, ask asking different questions at the same time.

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like it I'm not saying they're they're they're treating it lightly,

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but it it it's so I don't know, it's it's

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it's I don't feel like they're they're they're they're taking

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this as seriously as they should, you know, in terms

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of story, right, Uh, it feels like a very stylized

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version of what happened. Again, I only saw two episodes,

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but I'm curious if you know the story. Uh, it's

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on Hulu, you know it's I wanted to watch it,

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and I will keep I'll keep watching and see what happens.

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But I was a little surprised by the way, by

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the tone, you know, by the way there there's they're

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showing the story. It it feels a little light. It

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feels a little too television, if I may say, so,

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you know what I mean, Like, it doesn't feel like

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a real story, like a true story.

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Speaker 1: I only saw it in the background while you were

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watching it, and it just seemed wildly overproduced and a

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little yeah, like quirky, Like it was very quirky and aesthetic.

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And that's kind of a weird way to tell this story.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a very good way to describe It's very quirky,

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and she's jumping around and she's this crazy wild girl.

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Speaker 1: She's like as manic pixie dream girl who's been a

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case to murder. And it's just a weird way to

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tell that story. And listen, if she's the producer, I

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guess she wants to tell the story her own way,

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So all right.

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Speaker 2: So I yeah, give it a shot. If you know

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the story, or if you don't know the story, you know,

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just going on YouTube and you find five hundred thousand

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things about it, and but it's it's it's it's a

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it's a screwed up case. It's a very interesting story.

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And uh, you know one thing, you know for sure,

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you don't want to go You don't want to end

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up in the police in jail and Italy. That's for sure,

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because it shows how crazy the system there is and

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all the red tape and all the assumptions that they

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made just because this girl didn't behave a certain way,

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you know what I mean. So it's interesting to watch

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and understand what happened.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We're going to take a short break, and

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then when we come back, I'm going to do my show.

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Speaker 2: We're back.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to briefly talk about Alien Earth because

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it's kind of up my alley and it's the kind

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of show that I would tend to enjoy. I was

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just certainly interested about it when it was announced. I

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was always a fan of the Alien films, but generally speaking,

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I'm really only a fan of the first two. I've

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seen all of them, but it's really the first two

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that have grabbed me and everything after that has been

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diminishing returns, and some of the Alien films have been

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flat out terrible. Noah Hawley of Legion and Fargo fame,

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he developed this story within the franchise that sets the

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story on Earth, and as you might know, the stories

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have always previously been set on other planets or out

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in space, hence the title Alien Earth. So okay. Since

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nineteen seventy nine and the first Alien movie came out,

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fans of the film have wondered what would happen if

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if these aliens ever came to Earth, And of course

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it was actually the end goal of the bad guys

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in most of these films was to get these aliens

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to Earth. So you know, finally someone wrote a story

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where these aliens come to Earth. It is set in between.

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Actually it's set before the first film, and I don't

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really have a lot of interest in unpacking the continuity

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of the quote unquote Alien universe. I understand that it

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slots somewhat roughly into what passes for continuity for these storylines,

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but that it is playing a little fast and loose

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with certain things. I think without giving anything away, I

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don't have spoilers, but if you know stuff about the

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makeup of say Earth, during the period of these films,

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then you might understand that that the likelihood is that

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everyone that we're watching in this series is probably not

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going to make it out alive. And that's not really

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a spoiler because that's true of almost every alien story.

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Is everybody dies except for maybe one person. So it's interesting.

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There's this elaborate setup, this elaborate sort of mythology setup,

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this lure setup to get the story started, and honestly,

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I am four episodes into it and I still feel

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like it's setting things up. I should start off, well,

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I already started off. I should jump ahead and say

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that Sidney Chandler, the lead actress, is really, really good.

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You cannot take your eyes off her. She is a

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fascinating character, and she is essentially a human consciousness in

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an android body, but the human consciousness was a child,

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so she has to navigate this, and that portrayal could

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go creepy weird in so many different ways. A grown

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actress who has the mind of a grown woman who

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has the mind of a child like that could go

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really weird and exploitive and whatever, and I have to

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give her and I guess Noah Hawley the writer credit.

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Speaker 2: It avoids all of that.

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Speaker 1: It just avoids any sort of weirdness about her being

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a child in an adult body. She manages to convey

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a certain childishness without necessarily coming off immature.

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Speaker 2: Or naive.

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Speaker 1: There are other characters in the story that are also

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android bodies with the minds of children downloaded into them.

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I mean, it's the It's basically the main hook of

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the story. And I don't think any of those actors

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do a decent enough job with that concept as Sidney

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Chandler does. The rest of them are they're acting too goofy, Like, okay,

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kids can be goofy, but they're they're not little clowns.

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You know that you can actually have a conversation with

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a twelve year old and that you know. So I

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think some of the other actors overdo the I'm a

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child and a grown up's body sort of thing, but

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she really nails it. I know people love Timothy Oliphant,

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and I do too, but I really don't think this

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is the role for him. I don't think turning him

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into a prissy little android. I mean, that guy is

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like sexy and laid back, and I don't know I

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just don't see why he was cast in that role.

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I don't think it does a thing for him, and

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I don't think he does a thing for it. And

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also I actually think the wig looks.

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Speaker 2: Bad on him.

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Speaker 1: So I know a lot of people were excited about

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that casting, about having him in an alien story, but

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I honestly feel like he's a little wasted. He hasn't

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really done too much yet. And as we all know,

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if you watch Alien movies, you know, the bleached blonde

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android is pretty much someone that you cannot trust. So

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he's probably gonna turn bad at some point. There's a

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lot of interesting ethical questions being brought up about you know,

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downloading bodies, and about cybernetic organisms, and about you know,

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transhumanism and potential immortality, and I have to say, that's

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really not what Alien's about, Like, I mean, it is,

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but it isn't. I mean, there's always been androids and

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alien There's always been this idea that corporations on Earth

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were seeking the aliens out, either for biological reasons or

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for weaponry reasons, and this concept of transcending mortality has

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always sort of hummed in the background of Alien, but

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making it the text, making it the point of the story.

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It doesn't like an alien story to me, and really

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my main problem and I didn't I have to say,

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I didn't come up with this observation, and I wish

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I could remember who did. It was someone on social media.

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I don't think it was a critic who said, you know,

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the best aim when you think of Alien and Aliens,

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the best two, but even most of the other ones

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as well, you were terrified. Like the whole point of

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those movies is that the tension is so high and

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people are dying left and right, and it's terrifying, and

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that's kind of the fun of those movies as the

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scare factor. You can't do that with a television series.

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That's the problem here is that alien movies are fundamentally

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ill suited for television because you cannot expect people to

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tune in for an hour each week and be terrified

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every time, and then come back and be terrified again

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for an hour and so instead, there's a lot of storytelling.

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There's subplots and arcs, and there's lore and there's all

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this stuff. But I'm telling you right now, none of

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the main characters have died four episodes into it. None

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of the main characters have died. The only deaths that

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have occurred have been a bunch of people off basically off.

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Speaker 2: Screen because they need them until the period and.

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Speaker 1: That I'm on the fourth episode and my tension level

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was completely non existent because I was like, well, maybe

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one of them will die this episode, who knows, And

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you know what, none of them died that episode, So

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I'm going to finish it because I Noah, Holly, I think.

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Speaker 2: He's pretentious as hell.

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Speaker 1: I'll be completely honest, I think he's pretentious as hell. However,

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there are seasons of Fargo that are just brilliant and god, yes, yes,

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Legion I think kind of went off the rails, but

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it was also brilliant for most of its run. I

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am not feeling the brilliance here at all.

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Speaker 2: Is it pretty? Uh no, No, it's not like no.

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And that's the other thing. It's like, well, okay, you're

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on Earth, but every scene is set either in a

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lab or a bunker or something like that, and I'm like, well,

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you might as well be on spaceships, because you know,

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the how your point of the series is is moot.

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Everybody looks like they're on a spaceship, but we're but

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they're actually on Earth. They're in this giant compound. I

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can't imagine watching an alien movie or TV series without

472
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,000
being you know, in AWE with the whole pretty sets

473
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,799
and all the nice sets and alien movies. Is pretty, No,

474
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,000
I mean it is gorgeous. It's I mean, the sets

475
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,880
were always beautiful.

476
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,279
Speaker 1: They were ominous, but I don't think they were pretty.

477
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,240
I wouldn't have looked at it that way.

478
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,839
Speaker 2: I mean, whatever, maybe not pretty, but the impressive impressive.

479
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,519
Speaker 1: There are some impressive sets in. There's a lot of

480
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:38,759
it is CG. I don't mean to be completely down

481
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,680
on it. I'm I'm interested in that. I guess what

482
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,839
it comes down to is it's an interesting science fiction

483
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,720
show about robots and androids. And yes, there are some

484
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:53,759
aliens involved, but it doesn't feel like an alien, you

485
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,440
know alien the Ridley Scott. It doesn't feel like it's

486
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,440
part of that franchise at all. I should also add

487
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,119
that there are several different aliens, and some of them

488
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,039
don't are nothing like the you know, the xenomorphs. There's

489
00:27:05,079 --> 00:27:09,839
a little eyeball with tentacles that goes around. Yeah, I mean,

490
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,599
there are some pretty gross looking out and then there

491
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,640
are these like these sort of worm like fleas that

492
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,920
suck all your blood out, and I don't know how.

493
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,279
I think there's four species, they said, and so you know,

494
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,119
that's kind of interesting, but again, it takes it so

495
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,839
far away from the actual xenomorph is in it, of course,

496
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,400
and it is, you know, more or less the main alien,

497
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,839
but there's so much else going on that it's just

498
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,480
one player in this large, sort of sprawling, very lore

499
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,920
heavy science fiction story. It's got some good acting in it.

500
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,880
I'm curious to see where it's going to go. But

501
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,799
I can't say.

502
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: I love it.

503
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: I really can't say I love it.

504
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: I think that that's what happened most of the time

505
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,119
when you turn to move into a seriously, you need

506
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,039
more stuff, so you kind of expand.

507
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Well that's just it. And it's a lot of people

508
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,039
sitting around talking about you know, corporation, on the makeup

509
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:05,200
of the government and whatever, and I'm just it's not interesting.

510
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: I will say. There the where the story has.

511
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: Gone in this last episode with Sidney Chandler's character. Okay,

512
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,400
there's a real development at the end of the fourth

513
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,640
episode that if things start moving could really, you know,

514
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,279
cause a problem, you know, I don't know, that's the problem.

515
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Everything's so slow, and there's all these like and that's

516
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,640
the other thing. There's all these needle drops. There's all

517
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,759
these obnoxiously pretentious songs that get dropped into it immediately,

518
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,319
really and I'm just like, well, that's not alien. I

519
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,960
don't want to hear pop songs. That's not alien. That's

520
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,359
just not that's not the aesthetic, that's not the vibe.

521
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,519
You don't you don't hear pop songs during alien stuff.

522
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:49,839
So it's you know, I don't know. If you're a

523
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,200
huge fan of the alien movies, well then I honestly

524
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,680
can't say that this is something you should watch because

525
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920
I think it might disappoint you if you're just up

526
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,839
for what could be an interesting science fiction story about

527
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,559
humanism and aliens and corporate you know, corporatism, run them up.

528
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,000
There's some interesting stuff in there, but I do think

529
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,000
it's pretty boring. I do think like four episodes and

530
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:14,880
there really has not been major movement. It's a lot

531
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,759
of table setting.

532
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:16,799
Speaker 2: Anyway.

533
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: That's my take on Alien Earth. Do you think we

534
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,000
should take a break in Lorenzo, All right, let's take

535
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,960
a break and we'll come back, and then we're going

536
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,400
to dive into with Love Meghan.

537
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: We're back.

538
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,599
Speaker 1: The second season with Love Meghan has dropped on Netflix,

539
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:42,559
and we reviewed the first season, and I mean, if

540
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:44,359
you're a Megan fan, I guess you thought we were

541
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,839
really mean and bitches about it. But I think we

542
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,920
were pretty fair in our assessment, and I think we

543
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,799
wound up coming down on the on the consensus, the

544
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:58,359
critical consensus of the show, which is that it's pleasant enough,

545
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,359
it's well intentioned, but it's very bored and it doesn't

546
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:08,480
really offer anything new to this format. So that was

547
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:12,640
season one. Here's season two. The thing is about season

548
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,319
two is it was shot right after season one. They

549
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,519
were basically shot at the same time, and they just

550
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:18,599
split it into two.

551
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: Seasons, not a season two.

552
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: So it's not it was never done. In response to

553
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,839
any of the didn't exactly exactly, I will say that

554
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,079
I noticed a slight shift in a few things that

555
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,279
plagued the show in its early going, not least of

556
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,799
which is that it relied much more on experts coming

557
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,440
in and doing expert work. And we did say that

558
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,319
at the at season one that Megan's at her best

559
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:46,599
when she just lets some chef come in and teach

560
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:50,839
her how to do something, And there was significantly more

561
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,960
of that for this season, and I thought that was good.

562
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,079
I don't think the following is either good or bad,

563
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,160
but it probably helped the show in that she was

564
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,039
a little bit more open about her life, and she

565
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,559
referred to her children, she referred to her engagement dinner,

566
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,480
she referred to her you know what was served at

567
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,839
her wedding reception, and that sort of thing, because and

568
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,359
I'm sure, like you know, her producers and stuff were

569
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,000
pushing for that, because that's you know, like it or not, Megan,

570
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,279
that's the product. The product is your proximity to the

571
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,880
royal family, right and if you deny that, which I

572
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,079
felt like she was trying to walk away from it

573
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,160
with the first season, well then we're all left wondering

574
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,960
why we're watching you. So that's my initial thing, my

575
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:45,240
overall thing. I think I think there's a market for

576
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,880
this show. I honestly do aside. I mean, first off,

577
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,000
the market for that show is Megan fans. I don't

578
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,599
know if there are enough of them for her for

579
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,480
this show to get removed and renewed. So putting aside

580
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,519
the people that are just gonna love whatever she does.

581
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:03,920
I think this could be an interesting it's just not there.

582
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:06,319
And you know, I'm talking about it in terms of

583
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,440
what they could do to improve it for season three.

584
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:11,440
But I really don't think there's going to be a season.

585
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,680
I would be a little shocked.

586
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.

587
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,759
Speaker 1: So this season dropped a week ago and I haven't

588
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:19,960
heard a thing about it. No one's talking about it.

589
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: The thing is, I have a lot to say about it,

590
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,440
and I didn't want to watch it. I watch it

591
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:27,599
because I want to talk about it, because go because

592
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,960
season one was enough for me, you know, and I

593
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,680
was like, oh my god, all right, let's go watch

594
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200
season two. So I sat with my cat, tab Hunter,

595
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,119
and we watched the entire thing. I watched the whole thing.

596
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,400
The listen. I'm not a fan of any of them, Megan,

597
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,319
Prince Harry, Prince William.

598
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: You know Catherine, you actually like Catherine.

599
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,799
Speaker 2: I know what I think is that I think, oh god,

600
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,519
I didn't want to get into this, but let's let's

601
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,559
do it. I think Catherine and Prince William have a

602
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,000
veteran understanding of what they are supposed to do. That's

603
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:10,720
my take, I feel like, yes, exactly that the yeah,

604
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,359
but I feel like Prince, Harry and Megan are still lost.

605
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,519
They're very lost. They don't know what they want to do,

606
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,079
and they keep trying things. But the problem is that

607
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,200
they keep trying things, you know, out in public, and

608
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,640
of course you're going to be you know, judged by

609
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,920
whatever you do. So I think I think they were

610
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:33,079
very famous and people wanted to make some money off

611
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:34,920
of them, and it's like, all right, let's have a show,

612
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,039
and so they decided to have this show. My feeling

613
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,079
is that this show doesn't know what it wants to be.

614
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:46,880
Is it a talk show? Is it a lifestyle you

615
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,720
know show?

616
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Is it a craft show? Is that a crack show?

617
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Is a cooking show? I agree with that it is

618
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:57,240
you know, real Housewives of Montecito? What the hell is this?

619
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,960
They don't know? And listen. I I I at some

620
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,160
point in my life I was obsessed with Martha Stewart

621
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,000
and I would watch all these shows. Remember, we would

622
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,840
watch them together. There's also I feel like, if you

623
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,480
want to have a show like this, like you know,

624
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,239
if you want to be like Julia Child or if

625
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,719
you want to be like Martha Vin and Martha, Martha

626
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,599
Stewart or whatever it's up you you have to present

627
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,320
a show where you actually teach. You know, if you're

628
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,519
going to have a show where you just have friends

629
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,599
over and you gloss over everything, you know, you don't

630
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,920
teach anything, or you explain everything very quickly, you don't

631
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:43,039
give it any So what is the point I'll listen?

632
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,639
I under And so the show was like, all right,

633
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,719
we're gonna have your friends or we're gonna have chef guests,

634
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,920
and you're gonna pretend that you're doing something in the

635
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,760
kitchen very quickly. Then you go to your crafts room,

636
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,880
not yours, yours, you know, the house next door, and

637
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,480
then you're going to pretend that you're doing something. And

638
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,800
the thing is that, and then we're going to go

639
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719
back and cook a little more. But we have no

640
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,519
idea what we're cooking. We're just going to pretend that

641
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:14,800
we're cooking something here. And then we're gonna chose by

642
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,159
the beach and then the that's the end of the episode.

643
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,679
That's pretty much it. I have a lot more to

644
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:19,960
say that.

645
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: I know, but I just said to La rend I'm like,

646
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,159
can I tell you because he's going to go. I

647
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,679
can tell he's gonna go, all right. I have also

648
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,400
been I have always followed cooking. I'm not a craft person,

649
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,639
so I would I never particularly cared about craft projects,

650
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,159
but I've always followed cooking and lifestyle shows. Not so

651
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,559
much anymore because I'm tapped out on them, but for

652
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,400
many many years and for many many episodes, and I

653
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:53,320
know the format and I understand. I understand it, So okay,

654
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,400
if you want, there's two ways of doing a show

655
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,639
like this and this show. The problem with the show

656
00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:59,639
is that's trying to do it both ways. There is

657
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:03,000
the show that instructs you, and Martha Stewart is very

658
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,039
very good at that sort of thing. Julia Child was

659
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,360
very very good at that sort of thing where you

660
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719
were walked through instructions, and there are other chefs on

661
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,920
TV who are very good about walking you through instructions.

662
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,760
And then there's more of the sort of Gwyneth Paltrow

663
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,440
Goop sort of approach, which is you're not really there

664
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,719
to instruct, you're there to promote an aesthetic. And that's

665
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,920
the problem here is that she's trying to do two

666
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,199
things at the same time. She's trying to show you

667
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,559
how to cook something in the kitchen, but she's also

668
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,519
much more concerned with the aesthetic of aesthetics of it all,

669
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,159
so she winds up glossing over any sort of instructional

670
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:46,119
stuff and it's just this frantic, frantic, you know, just

671
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,840
collage of images that and you don't really walk away

672
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,719
with anything except well, I guess Megan has a nice life,

673
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,119
doesn't she. There was a scene with Tan France where

674
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:02,480
he came in and they were making French French toast,

675
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
and I was sitting through that scene going, you know,

676
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,920
she really should do more stuff like this, where it's

677
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,800
like relatable, understandable projects. And I actually came out with

678
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,599
one good tip. When he said to you know, to

679
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:18,920
dredge it in coconut. I was like, I'd never done

680
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,599
that before. I'm going to mark that down. And then

681
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:23,559
at the end of that sequence, I.

682
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: Was like, this is it.

683
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: This is where you fucking lose me is they played it?

684
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,760
But then she has to arrange them all in special beer,

685
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,559
and she goes on about how presentation and arrangement, and

686
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,119
so she arranges them all in these little pyramids and

687
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,800
then she she slices up all these different types of

688
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,320
fruit U put on the plate and then she sprinkles

689
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,199
flowers on it, and I'm like, you know what, you

690
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,480
ruined it. This was a you could have had a

691
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:50,039
good five minute sequence. Here's a fun way to make

692
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,679
you know, French toast, here's how I do it, here's

693
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,599
some very and then you went and did all this

694
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:59,480
aesthetic stuff that just overwhelmed your point. And honestly, it

695
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:01,079
just annoys me because I'm.

696
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,639
Speaker 2: Like, what are you doing?

697
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,599
Speaker 1: Even he was like, why are you doing that? Why

698
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,159
are putting flowers on French toast?

699
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: It's very I have a lot of money and I

700
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,719
don't know what to do with insteadic it's it's like,

701
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,880
all right, let's just have all this Yeah, and it's fine.

702
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: That's an aesthetic that shows can be very successful just

703
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,519
promoting a wealthy life.

704
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: Real Housewives, well, I mean all these shows with a

705
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,960
lot of people with money and then they just walk

706
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,280
around and you know.

707
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: No, I mean like crafting and lifestyle shows. I don't

708
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,119
mean reality television shows. There's nothing wrong or whatever. There's

709
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:35,159
nothing unusual about the fact that this show promotes a

710
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:36,039
wealthy lifestyle.

711
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: A lot of these shows do.

712
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: I do want to note that almost so many of

713
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,119
her projects, and this is why it's like, well, this

714
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,079
is not about instruction, this is about aesthetics. So much

715
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,400
of her projects come with some sort of you need

716
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,559
a tool or a thing or a special room to

717
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,840
do it in or and then they talk about this,

718
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,159
They talk about how how great it is that they

719
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,239
can just wander out into this garden and do an

720
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,360
incredible flower arrangement because there's five thousand different kinds of

721
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,400
flowers right outside the door. Or Sammie Nocerac came in

722
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,440
and that was actually one of the better episodes, and

723
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,400
she said, oh my god, I love this. It's I

724
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,599
can pull anything from this pantry. And I'm like, well, yeah, okay,

725
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:17,519
that's an aesthetic. But that's not Nobody lives that way anyway.

726
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: Nobody has a cost hole, you know in your backyard, right,

727
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,679
I mean like where you just go and grab whatever

728
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,559
you want. Like the whole thing about oh my god,

729
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:29,280
you have passion fruit in your garden? Hello, come on

730
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,599
people anyway, So the problem that I have with with

731
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,519
first of all, why do you have to do some

732
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,519
shit craft bullshit with with a guest, But you have

733
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,000
to do it. It's a crafting I mean whatever, and

734
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:43,119
the thing, but the thing is that as an audiences,

735
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,320
as a member, you like, all right, she comes in

736
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,960
and goes like, oh, I noticed you. My guest likes bandanas,

737
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,840
so I'm gonna tie die some shit. And then she

738
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,360
literally says, I've never done this, but the producers laid

739
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,360
out five hundred thousand items in front of me, so

740
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:03,960
I'm going to do it. So you, as a viewer,

741
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,000
you're watching someone who never did something, doesn't know what

742
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:11,239
he's doing, showing people who never done it before. So

743
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,159
you have people who have no clue what they're doing,

744
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,400
and then you're watching them do it.

745
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:20,079
Speaker 1: To that end, one of my main, main main criticisms

746
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:25,320
of the show is that, and I said this about

747
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,280
season one, so I'm going to repeat myself. You can

748
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,679
have a fun show where the hostess doesn't know what

749
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,199
she's doing and she fumbles her way through projects and

750
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:35,400
you know, maybe you learn along the way or maybe

751
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,920
you laugh along the way. But she doesn't do that.

752
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:42,239
First off, she doesn't allow herself to fumble through projects,

753
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,840
and there is no laughing or anything. And this is

754
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,599
my issue overall with the show is how friggin nervous

755
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:48,920
she is.

756
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: All the time where.

757
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: She will start this project like, oh, Christina Tozy likes

758
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:54,960
cars and I've never done this before and I hope

759
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,519
she really like And I'm like, this is such an

760
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,639
awful vibe. This is such an awful vibe. Let me

761
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,519
just I'll make this point. When you bring up people

762
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:08,000
like Gwyneth Paltrow, Martha Stewart or Julia Child and who

763
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,400
are all very successful in this arena, what did those

764
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,519
three women, very different women have in common. Supreme self confidence.

765
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,880
That's why they became the moguls that they are is

766
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,639
because in front of people, they are confident in what

767
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,440
they're doing. And Martha doesn't do it often, but Julia's

768
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Child made mistakes on camera all the time, but her

769
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,159
self confidence allowed her to overcome it. Megan is so

770
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,519
nervous about how she is perceived and listen before the

771
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:42,880
angry emails come. I understand why that is the case.

772
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,360
But if you are chronically nervous about how you're perceived,

773
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:51,000
whether that's an understandable reaction or not, it is a terrible, terrible,

774
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,639
you know element in a host. It's a terrible way

775
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,639
to start a show like that. Well, I don't know

776
00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,880
what I'm doing. I hope she likes it. I hope

777
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,760
works out. Like that's a terrible way to do a

778
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,280
show like this.

779
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: It's the fact that you don't know what you're doing,

780
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,159
and and and and you can't and you don't know

781
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:08,719
what you want. Do you want to tell the on

782
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,119
the viewers that you don't know what you're doing? Because

783
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:13,679
she says, I've never done this before. But at the

784
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,639
same time, she gives you all the instructions, like now

785
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,719
she gives you any instructure. Now she talks about how

786
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,400
to do it as if she rehearsed before. Well, yeah,

787
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,679
you know what I mean, like and then of course

788
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:28,400
the producers have and then she's like, she had Christie

789
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:31,760
what was her name? I forget her name now Christy

790
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,280
t Yes, she had her and for one of the episodes,

791
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,480
and they decided to make a flower jewelry. So they're

792
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,519
making they can't shut the fuck up, So they're talking

793
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,559
the entire time, and they and then they they they're

794
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,480
making the jury as they talk, and and no explanation whatsoever.

795
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: We mean, it's the shame because I was actually fascinated

796
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,880
by I was like, well, that's fantasting.

797
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,039
Speaker 2: But meanwhile there's like five hundred different things you need

798
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,599
to make that damn jewelry that is much cheap, but

799
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:01,679
you're going to just go yeah, I know it's much

800
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,599
you bean to just go out and buy the damn thing,

801
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:05,880
but no, so we're gonna make it. And we have

802
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:10,039
all these stuff in front of I mean, there's a

803
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,920
whole industry, but instead of talking about any bullshit that

804
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:18,639
because Christy can even remember her child's birthday, so which

805
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:22,280
is tattooed on her arm anyway, so they so they're

806
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,360
making it and no explanation whatsoever. They don't explain that

807
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,159
you need a frame that, they don't explain that you

808
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:30,000
need a special glue or whatever that thing. But it's

809
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:33,239
like one set, yeah, yeah, and then oh, by the way,

810
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,920
we have to wait twenty four hours by let's go right,

811
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
and then so you don't get to see you don't

812
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,920
get to see yes, and then then finally she comes

813
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,760
back and shows. The thing is that there's no close

814
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,480
up on any of the items. It's so bad, so

815
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,280
you have no fucking idea what the earrings look like

816
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:53,800
or the anything.

817
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm always shocked at that they decided to shoot in

818
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,280
the kitchen where the stove faces a wall. Uh huh.

819
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,599
Every cooking show you ever saw, the stove is on

820
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:05,840
an island facing the cameras. So when she's working at

821
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,000
the stove, her literally her back is to the camera.

822
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,000
So I love that is just terrible, terrible production design.

823
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,159
Speaker 2: So the editing is absolutely horrible. Because I was actually

824
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,000
interested in the jewelry and I was like, all right,

825
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:17,559
we're going to see some close ups of the stuff

826
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,000
that the jury was pretty I thought, But they barely

827
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,159
showed the jewelry. She picks it up, but there's no

828
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,280
close up of it. I can't see what the flower

829
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,599
looks like inside the thing. Nothing, So and it's always

830
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,159
that kind of stuff, you know, And you know she.

831
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,039
Speaker 1: They devised this project for them to do, and then

832
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,679
the person that she was doing with had to leave

833
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,400
and wasn't there when the project was like shoot it

834
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,639
over two days, maybe, like just so it's a little

835
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:49,480
satisfying for the person at home, just shifting gears a

836
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:54,519
little bit. She has this she does this thing, her

837
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,719
whole overall thing, her whole well, it's the name of

838
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,239
the show. With love Megan is about how she though

839
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,199
she's this amazing hostess and what she does for her

840
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,679
guests and everything. And it's an approach that I actually

841
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,639
don't agree with at all. And you know, this is

842
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,920
less a criticism of the show and more like, well,

843
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,519
this show is just not going to be for me

844
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,840
because I don't agree with this. And I'll use another

845
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,519
example from the Tan France episode. She he has kids,

846
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,480
and she wanted to connect with him on the and

847
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,719
she did the same thing with Chrissy Tagan and that's again,

848
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,440
that's fine if you want to talk about your kids

849
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,159
and connect with someone on that way. So she went

850
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,719
out to a bookstore to buy because you know, she

851
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,480
feels that the only gift for children is books and

852
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,840
the little listas everything's like a speech, you know, everything's

853
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,880
like it has so much extra meaning for her. I'm like,

854
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,199
all right, you're just buying books whatever. Then she goes home.

855
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,400
First off, she bought.

856
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,599
Speaker 2: Like fifteen books. Did you see.

857
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you love wrapping Therenzo I know,

858
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,920
but this was like a little cute gift for someone

859
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,599
who's stopping by your house, and she wrapped it like

860
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,639
it was a frigging, you know, bridle shower. Every single

861
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,119
book was wrapped separately in the most elaborate manner possible

862
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:09,280
with ribbons and she's talking flowers and calligraphying. Note car,

863
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,599
it's not a birthday, it's not even and it's just

864
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:15,920
a gesture gift. And when you go to that level

865
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:20,239
of effort for a guest, it's off putting. I actually

866
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,000
find that level it's because it's not about the guests,

867
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:26,119
it's about you. I think you're not making them feel better,

868
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:28,519
you're actually making them feel a little like, oh, that's

869
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,920
a lot like I didn't I didn't show up with anything,

870
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:31,679
you know that sort of.

871
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the viewer, but me as

872
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,199
a viewer, like when she did the Tai Daie thing,

873
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,960
and then I saw it, there were like I'm not kidding,

874
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,599
there were like the fifty or fifty five different kinds

875
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:46,679
of colors in front of her and all this equipment,

876
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,760
all these tools and stuff. I was like, I find

877
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,440
this so off woody because most people would not have

878
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,159
the money to buy wrapping.

879
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,559
Speaker 1: That other gift for Tan France, and she wanted to

880
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:59,320
do that Japanese rapping with fabric and she pulls.

881
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: Out like if these watches of.

882
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,119
Speaker 1: Fabrics you choose from, like I get it. The abundance

883
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:05,199
is part of the feel.

884
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: I think it would be more interesting if you said, well,

885
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,320
let's if you if you made it a little i

886
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,280
don't know, less expensive, you know, if you gave tips

887
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,760
on how to do things without spending so much money

888
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,719
with things you have, right, But she's lying around. I

889
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,880
don't know. It just feels like this abundance of of

890
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,199
of luxury and and and money and wealth.

891
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: It's just not my thing and no expertise, no person

892
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,840
with a lot of money and a lot of famous friends.

893
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,519
Speaker 2: There is one episode, and it's the only episode that

894
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,760
I liked very much, is that she invited the chef

895
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:47,239
who actually no Clara Smith. She's British. She she cooked

896
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,400
for them, she did the wedding dinner, and uh, you

897
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,920
can tell right away she's very British, very serious about

898
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,880
her job, so you could if you's. It's one episode

899
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,159
that is it's completely different from the rest of the

900
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,679
series because the woman she took over, she was like,

901
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,400
this is my job. I'm gonna make this a serious job.

902
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,840
So and you can tell that even Megan is like

903
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:14,159
letting her do everything. And and it went so well

904
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:18,800
because the woman explain everything. The woman actually down to

905
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,599
where to put the fish. You put the fish on

906
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,920
top of the vegetable. But this is how you do it,

907
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:27,519
that's what they do. They don't do enough of that.

908
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,239
So if you just want to watch Megan do or

909
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:35,039
fake do things, you know because you were a fan

910
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,679
of her, then yes, yes. And if you you know

911
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,199
she keeps talking about the how and that the gardener,

912
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,000
the garden has all this stuff. Yeah, but it's not

913
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,960
it's not even your house. It's not even your garden.

914
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing. I defended that last season

915
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,119
because a lot of TV, you know, lifestyle TV shows

916
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,840
will shoot in its studio or have a fake kitchen

917
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,480
or whatever like that, and that is fine. But she's

918
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,719
like selling a version of her own life about you know,

919
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,639
how she treats guests and you know, her home and

920
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:12,000
her children and how she serves breakfast. Okay, but you're

921
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,199
doing it in a fake space. So all this talk

922
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,559
about your home and your life, this isn't your home.

923
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,480
And then like they'll go out into the garden and yes,

924
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:23,239
we planted this, and we plan did you did you

925
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,800
plant this or did so? All of that is so

926
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,800
vague there and it would be so much easier if

927
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,159
like just fucking build a studio. Just build a studio

928
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,400
and shoot it in the studio. Martha Stewart did that,

929
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,559
Julia Child did that.

930
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,559
Speaker 2: The walk in the garden, it's all around buckets full

931
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,360
of shit that they bought and they put it there. Yeah,

932
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,559
and with ten friends. Actually I thought it was kind

933
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:49,400
of interesting because he was trying to talk about his

934
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,239
you know, family, right, and he's you know, upbringing in

935
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,599
in England and all that. It was actually interesting. But

936
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:58,199
then they go, oh, let's go to the beach and

937
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:01,519
then there's like two single Well.

938
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's a TV show I don't know about

939
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:04,920
I don't care about that.

940
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: I just I don't I know. And everything and everything

941
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,239
they made, I mean I don't make anything. Tom makes

942
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,199
everything in this house.

943
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,559
Speaker 1: So except for the coconut French bread, I didn't care

944
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,880
about any of it. The Graham crackers, I think I

945
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,400
will make.

946
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: Everything they make or she makes. They go through so

947
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,239
many tools.

948
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: Everything needs the dipressing thing, a little thing to put

949
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,079
it in the micro I mean.

950
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: I mean even when they bake something, I forgot what

951
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:35,440
she was baking. There's like two things per sheet, like

952
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,559
they have to have like ten sheets going in the

953
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:39,840
elven It's like, who does.

954
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,039
Speaker 1: My I'm gonna wrap this up. I know you have

955
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,559
a lot, but if you want to keep going, fine.

956
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:50,400
But my final main complaint is, and I think this

957
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,960
is horrible, along with the I'm so nervous. I hope

958
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,760
it works out thing if I got. If the show

959
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,360
eliminated these two things, it would improve by I like

960
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,320
seventy five percent. Is get rid of the I'm so nervous.

961
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,920
I hope she likes that shit, and stop having people

962
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,480
come into that kitchen and oh my god, I can't

963
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,119
believe I'm here. I can't believe you bake. They're all

964
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:18,079
so fucking impressed with her, and I have never no

965
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,320
one would ever accuse Martha Stewart of not having an ego,

966
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,800
but I have never seen her host guests who came

967
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,519
in and talked about how wonderful Martha Stewart is. And

968
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:32,280
literally every single guest walks into that kid, oh my god,

969
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,760
I can't believe I'm here. I can't believe you. I

970
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,800
can't believe you did this. I can't shut the fuck up.

971
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,760
Like it is so off putting. Megan is so so

972
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,280
so nervous about every guest that shows up, and every

973
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,760
guest is so so so thankful that they got invited,

974
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,440
and I'm like, this is so uninteresting to watch. It's

975
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,960
so bony, it's so goofy. One last thing, Chrissy Tigan,

976
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,559
it is disgusting watching people with manicures and diamond rings on.

977
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, disgusting. And I was like, what the amount of jewelry.

978
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,079
Speaker 1: Take your jewelry off, put on a lag glove. You're

979
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:11,480
going to be kneeding dough like that is gross as hell.

980
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: Eighty percent of the guests had so much jewelry that

981
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,800
I'm like, yeah, what do you feel like gets caught

982
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,679
in those long nails dough? Gross? It was just yeah,

983
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,000
I mean again, and her.

984
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: Nine skills are terrible. I saw her try and cut

985
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,320
bread and I was like, she can't even cut bread,

986
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,320
even cut bread like a well, all right, I'll stop

987
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,599
anyway here. You have much more to say about her.

988
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,679
Speaker 2: I feel like I still don't know how to make

989
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,880
flower jewelry. I still don't know how to die die

990
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,599
those things. I don't know anything I saw someone doing

991
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,639
very briefly and highly edited, highly added, because you know,

992
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,880
and and granted maybe it's not her. Maybe it's the editing.

993
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,679
Maybe she showed a lot more and it was everyone.

994
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: We're saying comes down to producing and directing her personality

995
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,320
or whatever.

996
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,039
Speaker 2: Right I think she tries. I think I think if

997
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,440
she was more honest or the show was more honest

998
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,039
about what the show is about. It's just me having

999
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:06,519
fun with some friends coming over and guests, special guests,

1000
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,039
and we're just gonna do shit here. Yeah, like fuck

1001
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:12,280
up on camera. That's much that, Megan. But pretend that

1002
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,639
you know what you're doing. Like it, And it's so

1003
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,800
clear when she doesn't know what she's doing, and when

1004
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,679
she knows what you do, like when she does the

1005
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,679
road and the roast chicken thing the roast and then

1006
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,760
it it changes immediately. Like the roast chicken. She gave

1007
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,119
every detail of how what you know everything about it,

1008
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,800
her instructions on how to do it, what to do it, Quinn,

1009
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,679
she knows what she's doing, then she gives more instruction.

1010
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,199
Well maybe it's it's we're not getting any of it.

1011
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:39,719
But my point is that if you like her, if

1012
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,239
you're a fan of her lifestyle, her you know her

1013
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,039
money and wealth. Yeah, this is a show for you.

1014
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,760
But if you want to learn anything forget it. Yeah,

1015
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,559
you might get one tip here and there, you know,

1016
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,440
but it's not enough. It's not enough for a show.

1017
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,599
And I think they're going to have a Christmas special.

1018
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,679
I believe it's coming. Yeah, I could be wrong. I'm

1019
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,360
so watching that I think there ain't the christ special.

1020
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,599
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a bad idea, and honestly,

1021
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,519
I think if she wanted to continue doing this, this

1022
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:11,239
is not a.

1023
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 2: Bad direction for her.

1024
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: But the show seriously needs some improvement and she needs

1025
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,559
to loosen the hell up. You're not in England anymore.

1026
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,440
I get that you feel that everything you do gets

1027
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:26,079
you know, blasted apart, but you need to be a

1028
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,719
little messy and laid back on camera because it is

1029
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,079
not entertaining watching someone that nervous.

1030
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:34,639
Speaker 2: I just confirm here, Megan Marker has a special holiday special,

1031
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,719
I mean holiday episode in December, so.

1032
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,199
Speaker 1: For her, I will be tuning in and we will

1033
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,199
be doing a podcast on it. All right, do you

1034
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,239
have anything else you want to add?

1035
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 2: No, I think you know. I hate to be so

1036
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,320
critical about the show, but.

1037
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,559
Speaker 1: She needs a good director and producer. There's nothing wrong.

1038
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:54,199
Speaker 2: I think she's very she's been very misguided here. I agree.

1039
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,559
I think so. I think she has good intention, she

1040
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:58,360
has some skills, obviously, I.

1041
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: Think she is She can be a pleasant and likable

1042
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,280
on camera when she's not nervous and when people aren't

1043
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,599
fawning all over her. I think she every once in

1044
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,519
a while she'll say something and I'm like, she's got

1045
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,679
a sense of humor. We just need to see more

1046
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,400
of that, right an, go ahead?

1047
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: No, I agree. There's so many bits about her. You know,

1048
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:18,039
when she wasn't famous, she was still trying to be

1049
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:21,400
an actor. Stuff like that, you know, which is interesting

1050
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,000
about her life. Right. But no, I mean we get

1051
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,239
this very luxurious version of Megan, you know, with five

1052
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,960
hundred thousand kitchen items. Yeah, and you're like, okay, I'm yeah,

1053
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,280
I'm maybe you get impressed by that time. I was

1054
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,239
never impressed by that kind of thing. I was never

1055
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,480
jealous of people's money, so that does not impress me.

1056
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: But if you are a fan of Megan, I guess

1057
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,599
the show is.

1058
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:48,119
Speaker 2: What you want.

1059
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not putting it down in that from

1060
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,079
that sense, I just think it is. It is poorly

1061
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:57,000
devised in a lot of ways, and if it does

1062
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,679
get renewed, I really wish she would get a whole

1063
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:03,400
new directing team because I do not like those creepy

1064
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,719
guys that hang out in that kitchen with I don't

1065
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,480
every time they cut to them, I'm like, oh, I

1066
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,559
and the vibes of.

1067
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: That crew are weird, way off. Yeah.

1068
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, frankly, I'm like, you should have some women

1069
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,679
on that crew. It's you in a kitchen with a

1070
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,599
bunch of men. And don't get me wrong, I mean

1071
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:19,000
men can be part.

1072
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:21,679
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's it's a little bit weird,

1073
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,119
but the.

1074
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,159
Speaker 1: Energy is very weird where it's just Megan in a

1075
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,719
kitchen surrounded by men who are all talking off camera,

1076
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,800
just weird vibe. She should have some female assistant or

1077
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,719
something like that in each episode.

1078
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,519
Speaker 2: And I think that instead of faking a house at

1079
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,760
it's not hers, because then they have shots of the

1080
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,280
front of the house and you were like, that's not

1081
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,679
who what is this? I don't care, that's a house, yeah,

1082
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,760
Joe in a studio exactly exactly.

1083
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: And the other thing. And I do think this is

1084
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,880
partially a big reason for what limits what the show

1085
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,920
can do is Megan, for probably very good reasons, doesn't

1086
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,880
feel like she can go out into the world the camera,

1087
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,119
so we don't see Megan go to a farmer's market

1088
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:06,360
or ghosts anywhere off of that property to do something

1089
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,079
like when she had all of those those scarves to

1090
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:12,679
get to wrap that gift, and she said, you know,

1091
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,400
you could go to vintage store. And I was like,

1092
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:16,639
why didn't we see you go to a vintage store

1093
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,440
and buy a bunch of scarbs to do gift wrap.

1094
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,599
That's the kind of stuff that makes a show like that,

1095
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,119
because otherwise it's like this weird hostage situation where she's

1096
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:28,320
just stuck inside someone else's kitchen, right.

1097
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to put too much into it

1098
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,800
because they did go to a fish market. They did

1099
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,400
go to the season.

1100
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: I didn't watch every episode Olive Oil.

1101
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: I didn't see that place where they make all of

1102
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,039
oil wine some wine company, so she did, so later

1103
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,800
on they really did get her out of the house. Well,

1104
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,679
I'm telling you, watched the Claire Smith episode The British Chef.

1105
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,320
It was my favorite. She was so amazing. I fell

1106
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,280
in love with her. And they go to a fish

1107
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,920
market and the guy is very nice showing all the

1108
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,840
fish and stuff. That kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean that.

1109
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:02,119
If you're not going to tell me how to make

1110
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:04,599
the fish, at least show me show me the fish.

1111
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:08,679
Show me the fish. All right, I believe we have

1112
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,079
trashed that enough. Will by do we anything else? Know?

1113
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,199
Speaker 1: It is a three day weekend, so I hope all

1114
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:18,960
of our American kittens employ their three day weekend and

1115
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,199
you do all your barbecuing and whatever, beaching, mountaining, whatever

1116
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:24,559
you do. Have a good time, Blacks, have a good time.

1117
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,079
Come back and check the site because I think we're

1118
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:28,840
going to have a few things on the weekend. Anyway,

1119
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,880
we'll be back next week with whatever crosses our eyes

1120
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,280
across our desk. Until then, take care of yourselves, love

1121
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:33,800
you mean it.

1122
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye,