1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,719 my daily show prep with all of the links, become 6 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,359 a patron, go to thepeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,920 hit the subscribe button. Get every episode for free right 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,320 to your smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so 9 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:32,799 much for your support. Talking about the quote unquote woke right, 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,119 I don't know another name for it. It's the name 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:45,159 that James Lindsay I think branded this particular strain, and 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,359 there isn't another name for it, so that's what I'm using. 13 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:51,600 I know people bristle at this idea. I've seen it 14 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:59,359 conflated with national national Christian or Christian national sorry Christian nationalism. 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,079 But I don't know if it precisely maps. There's a 16 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:05,879 lot about all of this stuff that I don't know. 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,599 All I know is that I have been seeing I 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,719 shouldn't say all I know. What I do know is 19 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:14,400 that I have been seeing these little brush fire skirmishes, 20 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:19,680 if you will, around the right wing media landscape for 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:26,879 about a year or two, and it's now become it's 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,040 now become a brush fire. It's now like it's taking off. 23 00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:36,319 The fire is out of control, and people are being 24 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:43,400 pressured to sort of take sides and say where they 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:53,280 are on this strain that people are trying to identify 26 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:57,680 and label, and James Lindsay and I went over who 27 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,599 these people are, So I'm not going to go back 28 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:04,120 over all that. If you want the backgrounds, listen to 29 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:08,240 the last hour on the podcast. But James Lindsay from 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,759 New Discourses, he's the one who came up with this term, 31 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,000 or at least it's attributed to him, and he calls 32 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:18,439 them the woke right because they are exhibiting all of 33 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:24,800 the same tactics and the same sorts of underlying philosophies 34 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,400 as the left right. This victimization, this oppression, the blaming 35 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:33,199 of one group of people for all of the problems. 36 00:02:33,879 --> 00:02:37,759 And I think that that is why you have this 37 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:44,879 growth in this quote woke right strain occurring after the 38 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:49,319 October seventh attacks. And part of it is also wrapped 39 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,560 up in the notion that we don't trust any of 40 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,120 the institutions any longer to tell us the truth. So 41 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:02,039 when people come forward and they say, this is really 42 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,400 why it's happening, and people want to try to make 43 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:10,439 sense of the unknown and chaos, and so they then 44 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:13,680 start following some of these people, some of these quote 45 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:22,439 unquote influencers in the podcast world, and some of these 46 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:26,199 people have built very large followings, and they have now 47 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,360 turned those platforms that they have built into platforms that 48 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:41,240 either flirt with or outright foment anti Jew bigotry. That's 49 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,439 how I see it. You may have a different opinion, 50 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,800 and I'm not talking about questioning Israel. This is one 51 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,479 of the rhetorical slights of hand that a lot of 52 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:57,960 anti Semites will use. And if you criticize Israel, I 53 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,560 don't automatically think you're anti Semitic. I think you're anti 54 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:02,039 Jew if you just say I don't like what Israel's 55 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,960 doing this and that. However, if you are an anti Semite, 56 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:08,319 you usually do say those same things, which is why 57 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,439 then you have to have the discussion with somebody to 58 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,919 understand what is motivating their criticism of this one nation 59 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:20,279 in particular. Right, and there are people all along this continuum, 60 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,160 you know, from virulent anti Semite to people just asking 61 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,480 questions right, Like, there's all these different degrees of it. 62 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:31,079 So I'm trying. I'm not naming people by name to 63 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,800 say I think they are anti Semitic or anything, because 64 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,720 I don't know what's in their heart. All I can 65 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,240 see is they are what they are putting out there 66 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,639 for content. And this is something that I do know 67 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:46,279 a little bit about. How to build a show, how 68 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:50,399 to build a podcast, how to curate content. I do 69 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:53,439 know something about that. And so these are things that 70 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:00,560 the hosts are, you know, actively thinking about and creating 71 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,879 a show and creating content to advance a certain point 72 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,639 of view or certain guests or whatever. Again, every one 73 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,639 of these hosts are individuals and they're all making their 74 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:17,399 own decisions for their own shows. However, you can also 75 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,800 see that certain things get them the clicks and get 76 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,879 them the money, get them the followers. I know this. 77 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,319 I work in this industry. I've worked in this industry 78 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,639 for twenty five years longer actually, so I understand the 79 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:42,199 structure of how this stuff works. And you end up 80 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:48,040 there's a thing called audience capture where you say things 81 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:50,839 as a host because you know your audience wants to 82 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,959 hear that, and you may not even agree with it. 83 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:58,160 You are captured by the audience, a very real thing. 84 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,839 It's a difficult thing for hosts to have have to navigate. 85 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,040 You don't ever really want to be arguing with your 86 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:07,519 audience all the time because then they'll leave and then 87 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:09,600 you'll be out of a job. You have an incentive 88 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,279 not to hack off a large chunk of your audience. 89 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,399 I know this firsthand. In twenty fifteen, I was arguing 90 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:21,920 with my audience all the time over the Trump candidacy 91 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:27,040 in the primary. So it's not a comfortable place to be. 92 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,600 It's easier to just say what you think your audience 93 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:32,560 wants to hear, or what your audience says to you, 94 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,759 and messages or on phone calls demanding what you know, 95 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:37,519 you need to talk about this and you need to 96 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,920 talk about that. And the problem for me in that scenario, 97 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,079 although it has redounded to my benefit, which is that 98 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,439 I'm a bit of a contrariant in case you haven't noticed. 99 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:48,639 So when people demand that I blame the Jews for everything, like, 100 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,560 I'm not gonna do that. Well for principled reasons as well, 101 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,279 because it's just a class of people. It's just a 102 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,480 group of people that share you know, an immutable characteristic, 103 00:06:57,519 --> 00:06:59,639 and I like, I don't do that for any other group, 104 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:06,399 Why would do that for them? So this all start? 105 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,439 I think not this all started, but this, this anti 106 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:16,120 anti Semitism that has been percolating among the woke right 107 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:23,319 really burst forth after October seventh, and it empowered a 108 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,600 lot of people that were harboring or at least putting 109 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:31,079 it out on social media, harboring anti Semitic ideas and views. 110 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,959 It allowed them the freedom to now say these things. 111 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,120 This permission structure was now granted, and people took full 112 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,600 advantage to attack everybody, as you know, in the pocket 113 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,279 of Israel that the Jews are telling you to say 114 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,000 that and all of this. And you had hosts that 115 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:57,319 leaned into that and still do. And so when Douglas 116 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,600 Murray goes on to the Joe Rogan podcast to debate 117 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:08,920 Dave Smith, it created this this nexus, right because Murray 118 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,040 being a pro Israel guy in my estimation, and Smith 119 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:16,079 being not a pro Hamasque guy but mainly an anti Israel, 120 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:19,079 anti war he would say, I'm sure and he would 121 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:25,560 probably bristle it my oversimplification of that, but that's what 122 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:28,959 sort of triggered this and then yesterday Jordan Peterson went 123 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:35,080 on Rogan's podcast and he talked about the psychology behind 124 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,120 some of what we're seeing with this woke right. 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He says, I 160 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,519 think people make a mistake in not differentiating between different 161 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,000 types of wrong. Candice Owens and Ian Carroll are actual 162 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,480 anti Semites who intentionally spread false conspiracies aimed at Jews. 163 00:11:08,799 --> 00:11:13,799 Just today, Carol again let the mask slip. Dave Smith 164 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,840 is not an anti Semite. He's just someone who isn't 165 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,799 bothered by them. He thinks it's better to associate with 166 00:11:19,879 --> 00:11:22,600 anti semites who agree with him about some elements of 167 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,039 foreign policy than non bigots who disagree with him on 168 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:31,039 those issues. He's more likely to denounce somebody whom he 169 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:35,399 thinks is too pro war using his framing, than someone 170 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,279 who engages in Holocaust denial, for example. I think that's 171 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,639 wrong and morally bankrupt. But it's not the same category 172 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,120 as Owens and Carol. Joe Rogan is a different animal. 173 00:11:47,399 --> 00:11:49,480 I think he's someone who doesn't like bigotry, but he 174 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:52,600 doesn't pay enough attention or is aware enough to recognize 175 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,840 it from someone like Owens or Carol. He takes them 176 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:00,000 at their word, despite them obviously lying once you exis 177 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:02,840 amine it that it's, you know, just a coincidence. So 178 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,799 much of their craziness and dishonesty is aimed at Jews. 179 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,000 He just likes to have what he perceives as interesting conversations. 180 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,399 Rogan does. But the thing is that he does have 181 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,639 a huge microphone. So where Douglas Murray is right is 182 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,600 an encourage. He's encouraging Rogan to use his platform responsibly. 183 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,279 That's not censorship, despite people pretending otherwise. In the same 184 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,600 way that Rogan insisted that Dave Smith be on the 185 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,559 show with Douglas Murray, he could have insisted that somebody 186 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,279 who understands the information behind conspiracies that Ian Carroll promotes 187 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:42,840 should have been on with Ian Carroll. After all, that's 188 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:46,320 why he had a physicist on with Terrence Howard when 189 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:49,519 Terrence Howard the actor was claiming one times one equals 190 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,600 two and that physics gets everything wrong. But he didn't 191 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,840 do that when Ian Carroll came on because he didn't 192 00:12:56,879 --> 00:12:59,720 see and likely still doesn't understand the harm of not 193 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:04,200 put pushing back on Carol's conspiracy. So I assume Murray's goal, 194 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,559 aside from promoting his book, was to encourage Rogan to 195 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,200 use that large platform more responsibly. In such cases, specifically, 196 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:16,039 a key underlying point is that if we are going 197 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,240 to spend so much time criticizing the media and others 198 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,799 for misleading the public, then those with large platforms should 199 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,399 also develop some standards to make sure that the information 200 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:34,120 they are sharing is accurate and worthwhile. The problem is 201 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:37,759 that Rogan understandably viewed it as somebody telling him what 202 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,039 to do, and so he got defensive. And that's why 203 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,919 I think it backfired on Douglas Murray. He might have 204 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,320 scored points and even been right, but he didn't convince 205 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,039 somebody with that platform that he should be using it 206 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,600 to push back on some of the stuff. I think 207 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,960 Gag Hamilton, by the way, here is exactly right, exactly right. 208 00:13:58,279 --> 00:13:59,960 I think he would have been better off focusing on 209 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 on his book and then having a private conversation with 210 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,399 Rogan to try to explain why pushing back on people 211 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,279 like Daryl Cooper, who just wrote a blog post about 212 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:09,879 how he's friends with anti Semites but doesn't like that 213 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:12,919 they are obsessed about it, and Ian Carrol who have 214 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,279 ulterior motives that Rogan might not recognize. He says, I 215 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,480 realized people have mostly abandoned their shared facts and shared realities, 216 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,799 but I think there is a legitimate danger in what 217 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,480 certain characters are trying to normalize right now, it would 218 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,759 be better to encourage those like Rogan to use their 219 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:33,960 platforms to counter that, even if it feels more righteous 220 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,200 to attack them for insufficiently having done so thus far. 221 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:40,000 I think that's some good I think that's good advice. 222 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:45,960 So to this point of the platforming, when Jordan Peterson 223 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,240 was on yesterday with Joe Rogan, although it was recorded, 224 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:56,519 I guess before yesterday he talked about platforming people who 225 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,240 are politically psychopathic. 226 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: You also set that conversation up, but it poked up 227 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:07,039 and made itself manifest in that conversation. And the issue 228 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,799 is how do you identify the psychopathic pretenders and it's 229 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,279 even worse now and then make a barrier right now. 230 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,080 The right was calling for the left to do that 231 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:20,720 for decades and they didn't and they couldn't. And the 232 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,200 left is not good at drawing barriers, partly temperamentally. The 233 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:27,919 right is somewhat better, but there's no shortage of monstrosity there. 234 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,759 And so then the question is how do you how 235 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:36,120 do you draw the line? And that's kind of what 236 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,559 I was because I've been watching these right wing they're 237 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,519 not right wing these psychopathic types manipulate the edge of 238 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,919 the conservative movement for their own gain, and a lot 239 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:50,159 of that's cloaked and anti Semitic, guys. There's plenty of 240 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,320 anti semitism on the left too, by the way, So 241 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:56,519 it's not unique to the right. But now, yes, yes, yes, 242 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:00,600 particularly now. And so you know you've let your cureuriosity 243 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:04,879 guide you, your curiosity and your desire for knowledge, this quest. 244 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,120 You've let that guide you as a podcaster. And I'm, 245 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,639 by the way, I'm trying to work through exactly the 246 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:15,559 same sort of thing. How do you know, given your 247 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,279 rap radical increase in stature over the last ten years, 248 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:23,559 how do you know when your curiosity and even your 249 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,480 skepticism about the fact that things aren't the way that 250 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:29,320 people say they are, because that's certainly been demonstrated in 251 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,039 the last ten years. How do you how should anyone 252 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,080 decide what guardrails to put up? Like, what do you 253 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,360 look for? Do you have a conceptual system worked out 254 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:42,600 for that? 255 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: He did not spoiler. He did not explain how he's 256 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,080 on guard for that. It's very difficult to do, Rush Limbaugh, 257 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,919 You ever noticed Rush never had guests that was an 258 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,679 intentional thing. And he explained why. He said, guests are 259 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,960 not invested in the success of his show. And when 260 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,440 you host a show, people ask to be on the 261 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,720 show all the time, all the time, because you are 262 00:17:13,759 --> 00:17:18,400 simply a vehicle. Now some people are asking because they're 263 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,680 you know, they have an important message. They're part of 264 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,640 a cause or charity, good stuff, right, like, you want 265 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,440 to elevate that message. You want to help this person 266 00:17:28,519 --> 00:17:32,440 or this organization, And so no problem, they're doing it 267 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,200 for the right reasons. They're trying to get on the 268 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,480 air because they're trying to you know, make positive change. 269 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,839 They're trying to get redress of some kind, they have 270 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,000 a funny story to tell, whatever. But there are other 271 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:49,480 people out there and they simply use you as a 272 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:54,640 host in order to spread whatever message they want to spread. 273 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,839 This is why callers get themselves banned from shows. Well, 274 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,160 I will only speak for my show. I have banned 275 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:09,319 callers from my show for this very reason, because they 276 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,960 are trying to use this platform in order to spread 277 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:19,880 something with which I disagree, and I doubt that they 278 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:25,119 are doing it for anything other than personal reasons. And 279 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,240 so it manifests itself in different ways. But a really 280 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:34,440 good one would be you know, racist, antisemitic, like I 281 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,680 don't want to hear from I have no desire to 282 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,359 hear anything you have to say, because that's the kind 283 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,279 of stuff that gives permission structure to others, like oh, 284 00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:45,240 well I heard this on the radio. Yeah, that you 285 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,599 didn't hear it on my show because I ban that caller. 286 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,240 I won't have and oh, Pete, now you're censoring. You 287 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,279 can call that whatever you want. That's totally fine by me, right, 288 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,480 I don't have any problem if I am set answering 289 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:04,839 a racist from my show. Guilty is charged. I'm totally 290 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,519 fine with you accusing me of that. I will own it. 291 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,200 But that's part of the responsibility that we have that 292 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:16,359 I have, that I perceive that I have, and other 293 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,720 hosts have different perceptions of responsibility and they are free 294 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:22,319 to have them. 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Here's an email from Joseph who says, yeah, 316 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:33,720 Peterson is calling out such right wing extremists as psychopaths 317 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:36,480 like Mike Cernovich and Glenn Greenwald. He actually did not 318 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:40,279 do that, Joseph. I don't know what did you listen 319 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:44,240 to the entire three hour podcast, because I did, and 320 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,200 the only name that I heard him mention was Andrew Tait, 321 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:53,599 who I think definitely fits the bill for a psychopath. 322 00:20:54,319 --> 00:20:59,359 He talks about psychopathology or psychopaths being four to five 323 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,839 percent of the total population. That's it. He didn't name. 324 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,319 I don't believe he named anybody else specifically, if I 325 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,960 recall correctly, I never heard Cernovich's name, and I never 326 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,839 heard Glenn Greenwold's name. Glenn Greenwold's a lefty. Not that 327 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,240 there can't be psychopaths on the left either right. So 328 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,640 if you split psychopaths half and half between left and right, 329 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:27,279 you're talking two percent. Like I said, the only one 330 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:30,319 that he mentioned was this guy, Andrew Tate. And if 331 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,400 you know anything about that dude, like I said, he 332 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:41,480 fits the bill in my non clinician opinion. Joseph goes 333 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,000 on to say, a growing portion on the right field 334 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:46,720 the same way about the Middle East as we do Ukraine. 335 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:50,880 We don't care the millennia that doesn't make that. See, 336 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,480 this is the problem, this is what this is exactly 337 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:57,440 what James Lindsay is talking about and what Peterson is 338 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,039 talking about. They're mapping these issues onto what like onto 339 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,519 their desire, their narcissism, their psycho pathology. They're using these 340 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:12,480 issues to grow their influence, and they're saying these things 341 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,759 and the ideology does not matter, The positions do not matter. 342 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:21,039 They don't care. That's the that's the premise here. Psychopaths 343 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:25,559 don't care in the pursuit of power that the the 344 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:30,000 the ideology is irrelevant. That's what Peterson keeps saying. He 345 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,279 keeps saying the same thing about this, And so, Okay, 346 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,000 you will agree with them on Ukraine. Okay, you agree 347 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,640 with them on endless wars, foreign wars. Great, that doesn't 348 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,759 that doesn't mean they're not co opting you or attempting to. 349 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,400 And if it means then that you have to like, oh, well, 350 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,359 you know, I hadn't thought about that. Maybe the Jews 351 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,440 are to blame for everything in the world. Like, then 352 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,480 that's that's the play. The millennia old blood feud in 353 00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:01,920 the Holy Land means no more to us than the 354 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,079 Intraslavic family feud in Eastern Europe. The US is basically 355 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,640 funded both sides of conflicts and most hotspots all over 356 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,400 the world. You'd be shocked if we and our money disappeared, 357 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,519 how fast those hot spots would cool off. Yeah, I 358 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:19,599 think that's a bit conceited. I think those hotspots would 359 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:23,119 continue to be hot. They would just use different weapons because, 360 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,519 as you just said, Joseph, it's been going on for millennia. 361 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:30,039 They will bash each other's heads in with rocks if 362 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:40,079 they are not provided javelin missiles. Right, Bob says, both speakers, 363 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,279 writers and listeners, Both speakers and listeners, writers and readers 364 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,240 are somewhat lazy. I seldom trust one man's opinion other 365 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:51,319 than my own, unless that man is Rush Limbaugh or 366 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,680 Pete Calender. Well that's very good, that's my truth. I'm 367 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,599 sticking to it. Right, let me play this clip now 368 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:02,440 before I run out of time. Also, this was Jordan 369 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:07,039 Peterson appearing on Sean Hannity's Fox Show I Believe last night. 370 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think the most important thing to do first 371 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:14,200 is to draw a distinction between the political and the 372 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,279 psychological and not to collapse them together. Right, So imagine this. 373 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,920 Imagine that there's a group of individuals, about four percent 374 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,920 of the population, who have a set of personality characteristics 375 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,039 that have been described as dark tetrat So they're machiavellian, 376 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,519 they use their language to manipulate, they're narcissistic, they want 377 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:42,799 unearned social status and reputation. They're psychopathic, which makes them 378 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,279 free of empathy and parasitical and predatory, and they're sadistic, 379 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:52,400 so they take positive delight in the unnecessary suffering of others. Now, 380 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,119 those people also use false cries of victimization, let's say, 381 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,039 to manipulate, and they're entitled. They seek vengeance when it's unwarranted, 382 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:05,400 and they protest loudly and make very public cries for 383 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,279 reparations that would be self serving. 384 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 385 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,039 Speaker 3: Now, the way those people operate is they look for 386 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,960 what patterns of belief form groups that they can infiltrate 387 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,640 and then capitalize on. And that happens on the right. 388 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,920 We did a report the same group on the use 389 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,920 of Christ as King as a manipulative strategy by bad 390 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,519 actors hypothetically on the right, and this report identified the 391 00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:34,200 same sort of people on the left, but it's not 392 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:39,359 primarily political. They're wolves in sheep's clothing who look for 393 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,480 where there's power and value and then adopt those beliefs 394 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,519 as a surface camouflage so that they can elevate their 395 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,680 moral status. Now, and this has become worse in recent 396 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:56,759 years as far as I'm concerned, because the evolved strategies 397 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,960 that we have for dealing with these psychopathic types. Psychopathic 398 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,599 narcissistic types don't work well online, and so the psychopaths 399 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:09,039 can get away with their terrible manipulations online and they 400 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,279 can find like minded people and they can escape from 401 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,440 any reputational consequences. And so there's always been psychopaths. Those 402 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,200 are the pharisees, for example, that Christ points to the 403 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:23,759 religious pretenders. Those are the people who use God's name 404 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:28,440 in vain and claim moral virtue and even religious devotion, 405 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,240 while all they're doing is feathering their own nests and 406 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:36,079 furthering their own narrow interests. And the web social media 407 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,359 anonymity enables them to organize and also hides them much 408 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,680 more effectively. And this is a problem in religious organizations, 409 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,839 it's a problem in political organizations, and it pathologizes the 410 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,960 whole culture. You know, most people, eighty percent of Americans 411 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,400 agree on virtually everything. And then there's these fringe people 412 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:01,680 and they're not political. They're psychopathological narsisssists who cloak themselves 413 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,119 in political guys. And we all have to learn to 414 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,599 distinguish between the political and the psychological. 415 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:11,079 Speaker 1: We're not good at it. That's the key. That's the key. 416 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,400 It's not political, it's psychological. We have to learn, we 417 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,000 have to be better at identifying it. The false cries 418 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:28,079 of victimization, and these people look for unguarded stores of value. 419 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,240 The university system is the perfect example. These institutions. They 420 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,599 had money, they had credibility, prestige, they controlled access through 421 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:41,599 their credentialing with diplomas and such, and they were unguarded 422 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,720 for what the left psychopaths did. They came in and 423 00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:50,480 they just feasted on this carcass because it was unguarded, 424 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:56,480 because they were ill equipped and ignorant to the threat. Right, 425 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:03,160 that's the case that that Peterson is laying out. Why 426 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,000 would you not think that could happen on the right? Like, 427 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,640 to me, that's the obvious that's the obvious question that 428 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,640 sort of proves the point, which is, if people of 429 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,359 this kind of disorder, of this kind of psychopathy, if 430 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,920 the politics or the issues don't actually matter, why would 431 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,119 you not think that when the right builds up a 432 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,400 store of value of some kind, like the podcast world, 433 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,920 the new media, why would you not think that they 434 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,640 would go in there and do the same thing. They 435 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,799 would just say different things because they don't care about 436 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,279 what the politics are, what the issues are, The ideology 437 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:46,920 doesn't matter to them. 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And then if I don't know enough 465 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,599 about it, I'm not going to bring it onto the show. 466 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,720 And so yeah, I started seeing stuff about Candice Owens 467 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,279 years ago, maybe like a year or two ago, stuff 468 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:36,440 she was saying, and and I try to get people 469 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,480 the benefit of the doubt. But when you give me example, example, 470 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:45,480 example after example, well, now I'm going to believe that like, Okay, 471 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,519 this is whatever brand you're trying to build, this is 472 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:54,319 part of your brand. And when you know every explanation 473 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,799 boils down to the Jews, then I'm going to draw 474 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,839 a certain conclusion from that brand, from your branding effort. 475 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,200 And that's not my faults, that's yours, especially for professional communicator, 476 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:14,559 I'm pointing her out. I will note that online over 477 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:20,240 the last twenty four hours there have been a surprising 478 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:24,799 number of people who thought Jordan Peterson was calling them 479 00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:28,759 a psychopath, even though Jordan Peterson never mentioned anybody by 480 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,960 name except for Andrew t I don't know what Andrew 481 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,519 Tate's views are on Israel. I have no idea, okay, don't. 482 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:41,160 I do not give that man a clique. Ever, I 483 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920 understand like he lured a lot of people in and 484 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,319 for some reason they think that he is just the 485 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:53,480 BEA's knees on stuff. I do not what I've limited 486 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,200 views of him, and what I've read of him, and 487 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,440 the things he has said, and the charges against him. 488 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:03,319 It gave me enough of a I think, a basis 489 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,559 to say I have nothing that I want to learn 490 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,279 from this man. So I don't waste my time, because 491 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:11,000 my time is valuable. It is a unit of my life, 492 00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,960 and so I am not going to waste it listening 493 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,920 to him or occupying my time with thoughts of him. 494 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,400 He was the only name that I mentioned, but for 495 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,799 some reason, in the last twenty four hours, a bunch 496 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:26,480 of people on the right seem to think that they 497 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:33,160 were called a psychopath, which, guys, that's kind of what 498 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,640 a psychopath, That's what a narcissist would think when you 499 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,039 hear when you hear Jordan Peterson say four to five 500 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:42,720 percent of the population have these tendencies and they go 501 00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:46,440 in and they feast off of the carcass of stored 502 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:55,599 value in an institution. And you think he's talking about you, Well, like, 503 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,799 that's kind of one of the symptoms. I'm not saying 504 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,920 you're the psychopath. I'm just saying that that's one of 505 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,960 the symptoms. That's one of the things that somebody who 506 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:11,200 was doing that would probably think. Also, they're making it 507 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,160 about themselves, and now they're victimized because they were called 508 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:22,440 this mean word, woe is me. It's sort of like 509 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,119 the old saying that if you throw a rock into 510 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,519 a pack of dogs, the one that gets hit is 511 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,480 the one that yelps. Not that I am advocating throwing 512 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:33,799 rocks at dogs. I'm not saying that. I'm just pointing 513 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:40,559 out that the saying exists for a reason, and what 514 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,240 I think Peterson is trying to do and others on 515 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:47,200 the right and James Lindsay, and I know he's not 516 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,240 of the right guy's like an atheist. I think he 517 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:54,759 may even be libertarian. I don't even know. But what 518 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,799 these guys are trying to do is to warn the followers, 519 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:09,360 the fans of these people to beware because the fall 520 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,199 will come, because it always does with psychopaths. And I 521 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,920 thought Peterson's comments there were spot on that. In the past, 522 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,880 if you're in, you know, an organization and you run 523 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,920 into one of these types of narcissistic psychopathic personality types, 524 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,920 you learn very quickly what kind of person they are, 525 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,400 and then like there, you know, the people in the group, 526 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,280 either you know, toss them out, like get out of here, 527 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,960 we don't want you in here. You're you know, a 528 00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,679 toxic presence in our club or whatever, or you just 529 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,800 avoid them, you shun them, right. But in today's age 530 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,440 with the Internet, that becomes much more difficult to determine. 531 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,320 That's what Peterson was talking about. We haven't figured this 532 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,760 out yet. How to keep these kinds of toxic personalities 533 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:05,280 from feasting on on the store of value, the unguarded 534 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:10,000 store of value. How do you do that? And when 535 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,960 these people go too far, when the psychopath goes too far, 536 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,280 and they eventually will because that's kind of their jam. 537 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:19,519 They're going to take a lot of people with them, 538 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,719 and whatever good and whatever cause that you think this 539 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,440 person is helping you with, they're not actually trying to 540 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,079 help you in that cause, because again they're psychopathic, and 541 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:36,239 so they're just using the cause for their own goals, 542 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,920 and when their fall occurs, you will go down with them. 543 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,639 I believe Satan took a whole bunch of angels with them. 544 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,440 So that's the warning. You know, be careful who you 545 00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:55,039 are following, Be careful who you are promoting, and if 546 00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:57,679 you're a podcaster or a radio host, be careful who 547 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,599 you are platforming, because you don't know, right, you just 548 00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,199 don't know about these people. And by the way, you know, 549 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,119 I like, I'm here every day for three hours hopefully 550 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,159 and people can call in and we can have conversations, 551 00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:15,159 and hopefully people will recognize I'm not a psychopath, but 552 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,159 that is what a psychopath would say. Hmmm. Makes you 553 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:24,599 think all right, all right, that'll do it for this episode. 554 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:26,719 Thank you so much for listening. 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