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your support. We want to welcome back to the program,

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AP Dylan. She is a reporter at the North State Journal.

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You could read that website nsjonline dot com. She's also

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the publisher of the substack newsletter called more to the Story, AP,

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How are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right, Pete. I'm a little bit full

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from turkey days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the trip to fan is receding. Actually i've heard

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that's that doesn't even that's not a.

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Speaker 3: Thing like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just the over eating. Yeah, yeah, it's

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just the overeating that makes you tired. It's not the

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turkey specifically, it's everything together, I think.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, so you had a good Thanksgiving yep?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's see here let's go awhere to start.

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Let's start because I've been covering the Mechlamburg County commissioners

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are very very concerned about the increased costs of complying

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with Arena's law that took effect today. They had a

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big meeting and they're like, oh my gosh, we don't

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have any money and all this. And so when one

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of the things that our sheriff, Gary not my fault

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McFadden was lamenting was that, hey, if this immigration bill

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gets overridden, then there's going to be even more pressure

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on the jail with even more people having to be held.

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But one would think that there might be some examples

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of why our sheriff should be forced to cooperate with

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immigration and Customs enforcement when you know, violent people end

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up in jail. And there is actually a pretty recent

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case of this that you covered. Jordan Renato Castillo Chavez. Yes, yeah,

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arrested by So I guess this guy was caught up

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in the Customs and Border Patrol Charlotte's web operation the

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other day.

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Speaker 2: He was not only because he wasn't in jail already.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, well so that's so had So Okay,

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let me see if I can connect these dots. Had

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McFadden not released him, then Border Patrol would not have

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needed to come to town to pick him up.

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Speaker 2: They still would have had to come pick him up,

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but he wouldn't have been an active target for Charlotte's

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webs out and about right.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't be driving around maybe using his vehicle as

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a weapon against law enforcement, not that he's charged with

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doing that, but.

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Speaker 2: Well, the victim's mother he had a he was He

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was arrested for sexual assault of a minor, first degree

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sexual exploitational minor association of a child by computer and

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his victim was thirteen year old, and the mother of

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that thirteen year old asked the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's office

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about his release, and they said that they let him

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go because they were quote not legally required to detain him,

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so she was pretty upset about that. He was booked

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into jail earlier this year on May seventh, given a

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fifty thousand dollars bond, which he apparently posted because he

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was out and about, and the e court system showed

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him that he was indicted on those charges on May nineteenth,

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and an affidavit filed in the case and the victim

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had a brief hospital stay due to sexual assault with

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no injuries. So you know, he was fingerprinted, he gave

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his DNA sample, he had to surrender his passport, and

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he'd remove all kinds of apps from his phone and

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have no contact with the victim. But he was allowed

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to just you know, go.

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Speaker 1: Free to go right on a fifty thousand dollars bound.

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Do you know if that was secured or unsecured.

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Speaker 2: I think it was secured. Usually when it's that high,

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it's secured.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So he posted the secured bond. And I'm assuming

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because he had a passport, is he is he I

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legal or illegal? Actually? I don't even know, because I

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guess he could have surrendered his foreign passport.

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Speaker 3: He could have.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't clear in the documents if it

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was a US passport or if it was a foreign passport.

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't illegal. Had a passport of some kind, right,

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and so he was, but he was an illegal alien.

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Otherwise Customs and Border custom and Border patrol.

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Speaker 2: Would not have Yeah, target think it was I'm thinking

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it was a foreign passport. Yeah, unless he had you know,

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forged documents for you know, an American passport, which.

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Speaker 1: That never happened.

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Speaker 2: Really actually hard to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, and they would never have any kind of

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you know, fake identification.

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Speaker 2: Yeah sure. So yeah, this guy was out there rolling

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around in DHS. They put up a press release that

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during Charlotte's Web that he was one of six that

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they picked up who had been released because authorities didn't

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honor the ICE detainers.

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Speaker 1: Right, And this is what I said the entire week

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when CBP was operating here, is that this is the

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reason CBP is here is because the local authorities, specifically

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our sheriff, not my fault, McFadden, where nothing is ever

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his fault. That's why I call him that. But that's

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that like his policies and his refusal to cooperate with ICE,

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his refusal to pick up the phone and call them,

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and his refusal to hold these these illegal aliens on

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these detained ICE detainer requests, that's the reason why CBP

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is here is because we know that he keeps turning

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these people loose from the jail, So they know CBP

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knows like, if we come to town, we're going to

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be able to scoop up a bunch of people that

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are illegal aliens. That have been arrested because we know

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he turns them out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's you know, the number that was released,

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and it was picked up when they had finished the

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first couple of portions, the first couple of days, it

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was already into the two hundred range, and by the

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time they got to Raleigh, I think like the final

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account was over three hundred and seventy. So clearly there

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are folks out there that had part of I'm sure

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some of them have been released and not had the

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detainer honored. However, the Wait County sheriff issued a statement.

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I think it was over the weekend. There was a

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rumor that Ice was coming to Raleigh today and tomorrow,

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spread by the activist group Las ci Umbre, but no

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one could confirm that that actually was going on, and

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Sheriff Willy Rogue here in Wake County said that he

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didn't have any heads up that that was going on,

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So that tells me it was smoke and he said, yeah, no,

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nothing's going on here. But he encouraged people to let

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them do their job and stay out of the way.

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So that was different from his predecessor. Yeah, I'm definitely

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different from jeff My Fat and over there.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. He actually put out another statement. I'll read that

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after we let you go, which is it. It's in

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line exactly with what you would expect, but let me

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shift gears. The North Carolina State Auditor, Dave Bollock took

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a look at the COVID funds and that were that

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were part of the ARPA passed in twenty twenty one,

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the American Rescue Plan Act. And this was supposed to

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be for like COVID recovery, and so they sent a

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lot of money out the door of the helicopter, just

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dumping it on everybody in all these cities and counties

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and whatnot. And what did he discover, Well.

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Speaker 2: He found two point ninety five billion and undistributed funds.

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Now they were allocated, these funds had been you know,

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earmarked for this, that and the other thing. But two

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point ninety five billion, or more than half of the

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funds were undistributed.

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Speaker 1: So this is money that's what sitting in North Carolina

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State agency bank accounts.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah. Apparently he listed out a couple of examples

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in there. One was the Department of Environmental Equality who

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had one point nine billion in allocations and had not

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requested eighty nine percent of their funds or one point

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seven billion.

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Speaker 1: So that's like most of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the office is let's see the Office of Information Technology,

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they requested six hundred and eighty seven million or they

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had not requested six hundred and eighty seven million, or

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ninety four percent of the seven hundred and thirty four

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million that they had allocated. That included broadband funds of

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one hundred and twenty six million. Department of Health and

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Human Services had forty percent or two hundred and one

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million that were not yet requested out of the five million,

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five hundred and three million that were allocated to them,

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and one hundred and twenty million of that was remaining

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funds for leading asbestos remediation and schools and childcare facilities,

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so that hasn't been done.

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Speaker 1: That was the big deal they were talking to, like, well,

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we need to upfit all of the schools and we

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need to get better HVAC systems and make them safer

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for kids to be in so it's not spreading respiratory

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viruses and all of this stuff. And they've got all

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of this money and they haven't spent it. They haven't even.

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Speaker 3: Asked for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it just goes on and on. There

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was another one for the Department of Commerce. They'd requested

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or they got one hundred and twenty six million that

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were allocated and fifty four million or forty three percent

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of that was not yet requested, and thirty nine million

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in remaining funds were related to a rural downtown transformation grant.

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Speaker 1: So so, all right, do you remember, because I do not,

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Do you remember, like, how did how did the federal

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government come up with these funding numbers for each of

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these agents?

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Speaker 2: I think they were in part population based, okay, population

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and tax spaces and that sort of thing we're used

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in a formula. I tried to understand at one point

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when it came to the school of formula funding. But

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it had to do with also an apportionment or a

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percentage of the federal dollars that they typically get for

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certain programs that was also factored in there. I mean,

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it's it's definitely you need an advocus and a space

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age calculator and everything to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: But right, because why it's like, how did the Department

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of Information Technology get like seven hundred and thirty four

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million dollars and four years later they still haven't asked

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for ninety four percent of that money, Like what are

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we doing? Like because I have some ideas of where

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the money could go, Like didn't we hear about massive

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cost overruns with like the E filing system in the

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courts and that sort of thing, Like they're obviously the

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federal broadband money, Like that's been a that's been a

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campaign promise from Republicans and Democrats for years. So yeah,

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why isn't that money.

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Speaker 2: I know, the money's still sitting there and they, I

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mean maybe it's sitting there because they have until December

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thirty first of next year to spend the actually spend

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the money. Otherwise it goes back to the US Treasury

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unless they get some sort of extension, which.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm okay with it going back to the US Treasury.

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I'm okay with that as well, because I mean, I

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know it's only what total, just under three billion dollars,

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But you know, if every state keeps three billion dollars

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that they should in otherwise that they're not using, then

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it tells me we didn't need the money and it

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should go back and maybe reduce our federal spending, which

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is just.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, in a lot of these things. Also,

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you know, they were helpful for a certain period of time,

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but then you know clearly they're not being used any further.

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So the urgency's gone. And hi inflation, right, you know

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when we're sending out that kind of amount of money

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to the states and it's just sitting out there, right,

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you know that that's doing stuff to the dollar exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's devaluing it. Yeah, you're exactly right. You

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can read the report by ap Dylan at North State

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Journal nsjonline dot com. Also subscribe to her newsletter, it's

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called More to the Story over at substack. Ap. Thanks

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for your time.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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a message from Kevin. He says, pete three billion dollars

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sitting in a North Carolina state agency account at three

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percent return is ninety million a year in interest. What

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the heck? Multiply that by a bunch of other states

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with the same thing. Yeah, is that we're just we

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got three billion dollars in state agency accounts, that's just

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parked drawing interest. Is that? Is that the play? Is

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that the intent? Let's head over to the phone lines

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and chat with Nicole. Hello, Nicole, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Pete, I got I think I've got a solution

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for the funding.

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Speaker 1: Great. Well, you know me, Nicole, I am all about solutions.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, and I almost thought, as I believe

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with mister Brown, who's running Gonna brunt for the federal position.

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You know, all the money that Mecklenburg County gives to

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the illegal immigrants, space, all the cash in hand, the

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EBT cards, free housing, all the free medical, free you know,

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stuff that they don't give us actual citizens of Mecklenburg.

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They if they were to even take some of that back,

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it could easily fund the for the the jail and

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even police. I mean, they're giving Nexemberg County taxpayers. They're

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giving millions of dollars of free money to illegal ailien

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But you know, say, if you're a citizen, you have

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to work three times, it's hard to get anything.

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Speaker 1: So part of the part of it is that the

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money is uh, it's it is sent out in the

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form of grants to these nonprofit organizations under you know,

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innocuous headings of uh, you know, community outreach or you know,

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improving health outcomes, stuff like that, and so they fund

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these third party NGOs essentially nonprofits.

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Speaker 5: And that's what the n g os are, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, they're passed their Yeah, they're passed through organizations to

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take the tax grant money and use it to then

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fund things that the local government doesn't want to fund

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and have you know, and have that publicized, or they

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don't know it's being funded. Either way, the result is

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the same, Nicole. I appreciate the call. And that does

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not count. By the way, the price of educating kids,

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building new schools to house more of the kids because

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of the Pliler v. Doo ruling years ago, that we

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have to anybody, you know, any kid that shows up

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gets a seat in the classroom kind of a thing. So, yeah,

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there's a lot, there's a there is a cost. There

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is a large cost. And by the way, here's one

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of the other things. If you remove the illegal alien population,

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then you don't have the same cost burden to provide

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all of these services that that goes away as well.

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So I mentioned that our sheriff Gary not my fault.

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McFadden put out a statement the other day, or I think, well,

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this may have been today, and I know this is

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I know this is picky, it's petty, but I say

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it every time because it's a waste of resources, my resources.

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When I print out his press releases, I waste probably

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about twenty percent of the page on green and gold ink.

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I waste another thirty percent of the page on a

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big photo of him and Mecklenburg County Sheriff Gary L.

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McFadden working to influence change by being dot dot dot

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quote the difference end quote, working to influence change by

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being the difference. Like did Chad GPT give you that line?

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That is a that's just a silly slogan, but anyway,

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And then there's a logo from the Sheriff's office. Literally

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half the page is a waste of ink and a

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third of the page is him anyway, and it's a PDF,

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so you can't even do anything with it. Annoying, All right,

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here's the statement headline, CBP leaves Charlotte tangled in web

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of confusion, bitten with mistrust, filled with venomous fear. They're

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just really leaning into the whole spider thing. You know,

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he says, as we all know, the recent Customs and

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Border Patrol Charlotte's web operation created confusion, fear, and mistrust

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throughout Mecklenburg County. Yeah. No, I think it was the

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importation of tens of thousands of illegal aliens, many of whom,

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hundreds of whom had criminal records. I think that actually

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created the confusion, fear, and mistrust. See you, guys, you

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failed to recognize that there are competing interests at play here,

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the Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, Gary not my Fault McFadden,

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put out the press release now that the Charlotte's Web

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operation by Customs and Border Patrol has left town, and

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the basic gist of it is, don't blame me. It's

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not my fault, which is very on brand for Gary

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Not my fault McFadden, he says in this press release.

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But let me be perfectly clear, the Mecklenberg County Sheriff's

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office played no role in causing that confusion, which he

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says was caused by CBP, which it actually wasn't. It

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was in fact caused by him. The fact that he

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ran on a platform back in twenty eighteen of refusing

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to cooperate with ICE, promising to scrap the two eighty

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seven G program, which is the program that allows local

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Sheriff's office detention officers to essentially get access to the

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ICE database. They're like, they become like they take a

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training class and stuff, and they become sort of a

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sworn official that has access then to the ICE database,

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and they can when somebody comes into the jail, they

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can identify that person based on the ICE database, and

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they can find out if the person is here illegally.

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ICE is then alerted and ICE can deport them. They

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can also find out if the person is wanted on

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like serious charges and such, right, which might actually play

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a role, and whether or not you release the person

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back out into the community. You know, somebody who's here

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illegally and you don't bother to confirm their actual identity.

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They give you some fake documents, you book them in

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under one name, and then you find out, oh, that's

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actually a sacario from a cartel. But you'ready let them

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go because you didn't know that, right, So it is

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actually his fault. He ran on the platform to scrap

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the two eighty seven G cooperation, and the first day

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when he won, he celebrated the scrapping of the two

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eighty seven G program with a cake that said two

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eighty seven G with a big red circle around it

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and a diagonal line through the word two eighty seven G.

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And then he cut the cake right through the two

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eighty seven G frosting. Okay, so this is what he

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ran on. And so this is a lie. The confusion

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and the fear and the mistrust and all of that,

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it is a direct result of you, sheriff. You you

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did this because had we not scrapped our compliance and

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cooperation with two eighty seven G, had we continued what

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your three Democrat predecessor sheriffs had done, had you just

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continued to do that, CBP would probably not have come

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to ten. CBP's operation is a result of your actions.

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He goes on to say, the only communication that the

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sheriff's office received regarding this activity was a brief heads

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up from federal officials that personnel would arrive on Saturday,

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November sixteenth. Our agency received a follow up message five

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days later that they would depart on Thursday the twentieth.

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Any other news that would be reported thereafter is false.

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So I'm assuming McFadden always with the thin skin. I'm

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assuming that he has gotten word from people, the community

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activists or something, that he's gotten word that he is

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somehow to blame, or he's implicated for cooperating with Ice

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or something, and so he wants to put that to rest.

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I had nothing to do with this. I support your

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right to break the law, is what he's saying. Don't

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look at me. I wasn't trying to round up illegal

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aliens in Mecklenburg County. I was opposed to the rounding

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up of criminal illegal aliens. Immigration, he says, didn't suddenly

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become an issue when CBP arrived in Charlotte. Our community

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has been grappling with immigration challenges since the day I

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took office in December twenty eighteen. Yet in the last

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several days, many people, including elected officials, advocates, and organizations,

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have shown more urgency than they have in the last

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several years. For those of us who have been continually

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fighting this fight, the struggle is not new. What's he

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talking about here?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 1: When you first hear this, when I first read it,

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you might have concluded what I initially did was that

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he's talking about fighting illegal immigration. But he's not. He's

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talking about fighting immigration enforcement. That's what he's talking about.

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For those of us who have been fighting this fight,

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the struggle is not new. And to those who are

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just now realizing the weight of these issues, I welcome

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you to the conversation. Seekaus again. Always the hero or

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the victim, never the villain. He is the hero. He's

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been fighting this alone for so long, and now, thank goodness,

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people have finally woken up in there. They're harassing Customs

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and Border patrol officers who are doing their operation. They're

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they're swarming their facility, they're blocking them in traffic, they're

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videotaping their faces and doxing them online. Thank goodness, we

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now have fellow foot soldiers in the nullification insurrection, because

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that's what this is. It's nullification. It is local elected

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government officials who are trying to nullify and not enforce,

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not allowed to be enforced federal law. Nullification crisis, he says.

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And to those who are just now real I welcome

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you to the conversation. I welcome you to the fight.

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If this recent experience opened some eyes, then I hope

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you are fully aware now and woke to what our

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community has been facing all along. And he puts the

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word woke in quotes because ever the thin skin, he's

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very sensitive to being labeled as one of the woke sheriffs.

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He along with Quentin Miller up in Bunkhom County, I

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forget the other fellow's name out of Durham, another one

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in Wake County, and they all rode this. They rode

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this wave into office in twenty eighteen, this promise not

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to cooperate with ICE, and they got labeled the woke

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sheriffs because there's like four or five of them in

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the state and we got one hundred sheriffs. So this

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is what he's talking about, Like, this is not this

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struggle is not about illegal immigration enforcement. It's about enforcing

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our immigration laws. All right, if you're listening to this show,

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you know I try to keep up with all sorts

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Let me first jump over to the phones here. I've

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got a little bit of audio I want to play.

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This is kind of a big day for me. I

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got a bit of a present today. I'll let you

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know what that's about in a minute. First, let me

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get over to Joseph. Hello, Joseph, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Hey, how you doing. Hey, I'm good taking my call.

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I'm a retired police officer, and it is not uncommon

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for local police officers and deputies to work with federal

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agencies on a limited basis. I worked with Homeland Security.

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I had two weeks of extra training, was sworn in,

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and I was human trafficking drugs and things like that.

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But US marshals have local officers that do it. The

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even so Secret Service we work with them on occasion

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during campaigns and so forth. Even on the local level,

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the ABC officers for North Carolina have local officers that

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work with them. So the thing that's happening with the

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sheriff's department is not that unusual. They're trained. It's been

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but it's been politicized, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this was the law I was on the

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books for decades. And the former Democrat Mecklemberg sheriff Jim Penograph,

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he went to some sheriff conference or something years ago

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and was talking with some sheriff out of like Texas

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or something, and he told him about this two eighty

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seven G program. And when Penograph found out about it,

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he instituted it here and then was hired on by

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the Bush administration to travel the country and help other

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jurisdictions set up their own two eighty seven G programs.

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Speaker 7: And it works well. And as far as us assisting

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the FED, which is ridiculous, I'd be like saying if

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a bank rob if a bank gets robbed and as

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a local police officer, I don't go because it's a

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federal crime. So you enforced the law.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the bank robbery one is a perfect example

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because they're federal laws. But it's not like CMPD doesn't

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go and assist it's a bank robbery, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 7: So it's no different with the sheriff's office.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph, I appreciate the call, sir. Thank you for

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your service too. I appreciate it. Thank you all right,

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take care, yes, sir. From McFadden's press release, the way

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CBP conducted the operation highlights a critical truth that both

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local and federal law enforcement agencies cannot operate in silos.

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This is coming from the guy that created the silo.

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This is gaslighting. Don't whiz on my boots and tell

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me it's raining. You created the silo. You want them

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to give you all this information about their operations that

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they're going to be running. But you're the one that

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created the distance. You walled yourself off from ICE. You

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did that when you campaigned against cooperating with ICE, and

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then you dismantled the two eighty seven G program. In

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your jail, you refuse to pick up the phone and

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call ICE to let them know that you're about to

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release somebody. You force the state lawmakers to pass multiple

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bills to try to force you to drag you, kicking

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and screaming to a cooperative posture. You created the silo. Oh,

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it's just so annoying. Hate being gaslet, But I am

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too bright for it. By the way, New York Times

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in a story today, mister Biden allowed many migrants to

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enter the country temporarily as a way to incentivize them

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to avoid crossing the border illegally. Those people became eligible

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to work in the United States, receive Social Security numbers,

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and in some cases receive federal benefits. Just the casual

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acknowledgment of the very thing that we have been saying

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for the last six years, now, five years, that the

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New York Times now just admits it as like this

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is a huge scandal. They did it on purpose, all right.

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Let me jump over to this audio clip. This is

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a moment of personal privilege. If I might So this

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is a clip, a mashup, a montage, if you will,

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a couple of different conversations. US Senator Tom Tillis was

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on this morning. He was in studio with the Good

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Morning BT crew, and here's what they chatted about.

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Speaker 3: At one point, let's move on, guys.

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Speaker 6: I mean, my gosh, we need a little bit of

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adults in the room being a little bit more mature.

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Speaker 3: Stop all this back and forth.

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Speaker 6: This sort of amateurish or childish behavior at end, either

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end of the spectrum is not a vote tainer.

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Speaker 3: What are you?

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Speaker 4: Yes, very nice? Yes, hear that big calendar.

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Are you impressed?

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Speaker 4: Are you optimistic or pessimistic about twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 3: I think right now we've you know, you're you're always.

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Speaker 6: Going to have a challenge in the in the year,

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the congressional elections after a new president's in place.

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Speaker 3: But we've got to get serious about health care. We've

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got to get We've got to just calm down. I

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want to be the adults in the room.

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Speaker 6: Let the Democrats continue to be the liberal you know,

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fanatics that some of them can be.

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Speaker 3: But I'm watching the display up here earlier.

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Speaker 6: I now know how to pronounce Afton Bay and spell

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her name, because I was in Middle Tennessee all weekend

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and there's ads running non stop. Republicans need to understand

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when you've got a district that's in play, or we

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may only win by single digits and Trump carried by

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twenty points.

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Speaker 3: Pay attention, folks. You can learn from that.

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Speaker 4: US Centator Tome tell us the time goes fast. We

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always appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you loved it.

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Speaker 4: Happy Thanksgiving, and we'll be back tomorrow here on good morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm votainer in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, what have I talked about the preference cascade?

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People slowly at first, and then very quickly because Senator

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Tillis was in the studio and he saw that I

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had posted a sign up.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: I posted that sign up last year, and it says

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new rule. Let me get my glasses on new rule.

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The word vote getter is banned. It is a terrible

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word that should die. Instead use the word votainer. Thank

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you for your attention to this matter. So I posted

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that up there to try to get people to start

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using the word votainer. It's been a slow slog, I

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will tell you, people, very slow. This has been like

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a decade that I've been promoting this word, I have

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gotten a couple of converts. It's still not in widespread use, though,

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but Senator Tillis was in here, and whatever you think

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about Senator till Us, it doesn't matter. The point is

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he used the word votainer. Now the real challenge is

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going to be will he continue to use it? Will

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he adopt it in you know, normal conversation, regular conversation,

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because that's how we win hearts and minds here. People

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do not use the term vote getter. It's awful, it's awkward,

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it sounds terrible. Votainer it's cleaner, it sounds better, makes

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sense slowly at first, then very quickly. That's how it's

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going to happen.

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Speaker 3: People.

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Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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so much for listening. I could not do the show

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