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AP Dylan. She is a reporter at the North State Journal.
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How are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing all right, Pete. I'm a little bit full
from turkey days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the trip to fan is receding. Actually i've heard
that's that doesn't even that's not a.
Speaker 3: Thing like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's just the over eating. Yeah, yeah, it's
just the overeating that makes you tired. It's not the
turkey specifically, it's everything together, I think.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so you had a good Thanksgiving yep?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's see here let's go awhere to start.
Let's start because I've been covering the Mechlamburg County commissioners
are very very concerned about the increased costs of complying
with Arena's law that took effect today. They had a
big meeting and they're like, oh my gosh, we don't
have any money and all this. And so when one
of the things that our sheriff, Gary not my fault
McFadden was lamenting was that, hey, if this immigration bill
gets overridden, then there's going to be even more pressure
on the jail with even more people having to be held.
But one would think that there might be some examples
of why our sheriff should be forced to cooperate with
immigration and Customs enforcement when you know, violent people end
up in jail. And there is actually a pretty recent
case of this that you covered. Jordan Renato Castillo Chavez. Yes, yeah,
arrested by So I guess this guy was caught up
in the Customs and Border Patrol Charlotte's web operation the
other day.
Speaker 2: He was not only because he wasn't in jail already.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, well so that's so had So Okay,
let me see if I can connect these dots. Had
McFadden not released him, then Border Patrol would not have
needed to come to town to pick him up.
Speaker 2: They still would have had to come pick him up,
but he wouldn't have been an active target for Charlotte's
webs out and about right.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be driving around maybe using his vehicle as
a weapon against law enforcement, not that he's charged with
doing that, but.
Speaker 2: Well, the victim's mother he had a he was He
was arrested for sexual assault of a minor, first degree
sexual exploitational minor association of a child by computer and
his victim was thirteen year old, and the mother of
that thirteen year old asked the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's office
about his release, and they said that they let him
go because they were quote not legally required to detain him,
so she was pretty upset about that. He was booked
into jail earlier this year on May seventh, given a
fifty thousand dollars bond, which he apparently posted because he
was out and about, and the e court system showed
him that he was indicted on those charges on May nineteenth,
and an affidavit filed in the case and the victim
had a brief hospital stay due to sexual assault with
no injuries. So you know, he was fingerprinted, he gave
his DNA sample, he had to surrender his passport, and
he'd remove all kinds of apps from his phone and
have no contact with the victim. But he was allowed
to just you know, go.
Speaker 1: Free to go right on a fifty thousand dollars bound.
Do you know if that was secured or unsecured.
Speaker 2: I think it was secured. Usually when it's that high,
it's secured.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he posted the secured bond. And I'm assuming
because he had a passport, is he is he I
legal or illegal? Actually? I don't even know, because I
guess he could have surrendered his foreign passport.
Speaker 3: He could have.
Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't clear in the documents if it
was a US passport or if it was a foreign passport.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't illegal. Had a passport of some kind, right,
and so he was, but he was an illegal alien.
Otherwise Customs and Border custom and Border patrol.
Speaker 2: Would not have Yeah, target think it was I'm thinking
it was a foreign passport. Yeah, unless he had you know,
forged documents for you know, an American passport, which.
Speaker 1: That never happened.
Speaker 2: Really actually hard to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, and they would never have any kind of
you know, fake identification.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure. So yeah, this guy was out there rolling
around in DHS. They put up a press release that
during Charlotte's Web that he was one of six that
they picked up who had been released because authorities didn't
honor the ICE detainers.
Speaker 1: Right, And this is what I said the entire week
when CBP was operating here, is that this is the
reason CBP is here is because the local authorities, specifically
our sheriff, not my fault, McFadden, where nothing is ever
his fault. That's why I call him that. But that's
that like his policies and his refusal to cooperate with ICE,
his refusal to pick up the phone and call them,
and his refusal to hold these these illegal aliens on
these detained ICE detainer requests, that's the reason why CBP
is here is because we know that he keeps turning
these people loose from the jail, So they know CBP
knows like, if we come to town, we're going to
be able to scoop up a bunch of people that
are illegal aliens. That have been arrested because we know
he turns them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's you know, the number that was released,
and it was picked up when they had finished the
first couple of portions, the first couple of days, it
was already into the two hundred range, and by the
time they got to Raleigh, I think like the final
account was over three hundred and seventy. So clearly there
are folks out there that had part of I'm sure
some of them have been released and not had the
detainer honored. However, the Wait County sheriff issued a statement.
I think it was over the weekend. There was a
rumor that Ice was coming to Raleigh today and tomorrow,
spread by the activist group Las ci Umbre, but no
one could confirm that that actually was going on, and
Sheriff Willy Rogue here in Wake County said that he
didn't have any heads up that that was going on,
So that tells me it was smoke and he said, yeah, no,
nothing's going on here. But he encouraged people to let
them do their job and stay out of the way.
So that was different from his predecessor. Yeah, I'm definitely
different from jeff My Fat and over there.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. He actually put out another statement. I'll read that
after we let you go, which is it. It's in
line exactly with what you would expect, but let me
shift gears. The North Carolina State Auditor, Dave Bollock took
a look at the COVID funds and that were that
were part of the ARPA passed in twenty twenty one,
the American Rescue Plan Act. And this was supposed to
be for like COVID recovery, and so they sent a
lot of money out the door of the helicopter, just
dumping it on everybody in all these cities and counties
and whatnot. And what did he discover, Well.
Speaker 2: He found two point ninety five billion and undistributed funds.
Now they were allocated, these funds had been you know,
earmarked for this, that and the other thing. But two
point ninety five billion, or more than half of the
funds were undistributed.
Speaker 1: So this is money that's what sitting in North Carolina
State agency bank accounts.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. Apparently he listed out a couple of examples
in there. One was the Department of Environmental Equality who
had one point nine billion in allocations and had not
requested eighty nine percent of their funds or one point
seven billion.
Speaker 1: So that's like most of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the office is let's see the Office of Information Technology,
they requested six hundred and eighty seven million or they
had not requested six hundred and eighty seven million, or
ninety four percent of the seven hundred and thirty four
million that they had allocated. That included broadband funds of
one hundred and twenty six million. Department of Health and
Human Services had forty percent or two hundred and one
million that were not yet requested out of the five million,
five hundred and three million that were allocated to them,
and one hundred and twenty million of that was remaining
funds for leading asbestos remediation and schools and childcare facilities,
so that hasn't been done.
Speaker 1: That was the big deal they were talking to, like, well,
we need to upfit all of the schools and we
need to get better HVAC systems and make them safer
for kids to be in so it's not spreading respiratory
viruses and all of this stuff. And they've got all
of this money and they haven't spent it. They haven't even.
Speaker 3: Asked for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it just goes on and on. There
was another one for the Department of Commerce. They'd requested
or they got one hundred and twenty six million that
were allocated and fifty four million or forty three percent
of that was not yet requested, and thirty nine million
in remaining funds were related to a rural downtown transformation grant.
Speaker 1: So so, all right, do you remember, because I do not,
Do you remember, like, how did how did the federal
government come up with these funding numbers for each of
these agents?
Speaker 2: I think they were in part population based, okay, population
and tax spaces and that sort of thing we're used
in a formula. I tried to understand at one point
when it came to the school of formula funding. But
it had to do with also an apportionment or a
percentage of the federal dollars that they typically get for
certain programs that was also factored in there. I mean,
it's it's definitely you need an advocus and a space
age calculator and everything to figure it out.
Speaker 1: But right, because why it's like, how did the Department
of Information Technology get like seven hundred and thirty four
million dollars and four years later they still haven't asked
for ninety four percent of that money, Like what are
we doing? Like because I have some ideas of where
the money could go, Like didn't we hear about massive
cost overruns with like the E filing system in the
courts and that sort of thing, Like they're obviously the
federal broadband money, Like that's been a that's been a
campaign promise from Republicans and Democrats for years. So yeah,
why isn't that money.
Speaker 2: I know, the money's still sitting there and they, I
mean maybe it's sitting there because they have until December
thirty first of next year to spend the actually spend
the money. Otherwise it goes back to the US Treasury
unless they get some sort of extension, which.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm okay with it going back to the US Treasury.
I'm okay with that as well, because I mean, I
know it's only what total, just under three billion dollars,
But you know, if every state keeps three billion dollars
that they should in otherwise that they're not using, then
it tells me we didn't need the money and it
should go back and maybe reduce our federal spending, which
is just.
Speaker 2: You know, well, in a lot of these things. Also,
you know, they were helpful for a certain period of time,
but then you know clearly they're not being used any further.
So the urgency's gone. And hi inflation, right, you know
when we're sending out that kind of amount of money
to the states and it's just sitting out there, right,
you know that that's doing stuff to the dollar exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's devaluing it. Yeah, you're exactly right. You
can read the report by ap Dylan at North State
Journal nsjonline dot com. Also subscribe to her newsletter, it's
called More to the Story over at substack. Ap. Thanks
for your time.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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a message from Kevin. He says, pete three billion dollars
sitting in a North Carolina state agency account at three
percent return is ninety million a year in interest. What
the heck? Multiply that by a bunch of other states
with the same thing. Yeah, is that we're just we
got three billion dollars in state agency accounts, that's just
parked drawing interest. Is that? Is that the play? Is
that the intent? Let's head over to the phone lines
and chat with Nicole. Hello, Nicole, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey, Pete, I got I think I've got a solution
for the funding.
Speaker 1: Great. Well, you know me, Nicole, I am all about solutions.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, and I almost thought, as I believe
with mister Brown, who's running Gonna brunt for the federal position.
You know, all the money that Mecklenburg County gives to
the illegal immigrants, space, all the cash in hand, the
EBT cards, free housing, all the free medical, free you know,
stuff that they don't give us actual citizens of Mecklenburg.
They if they were to even take some of that back,
it could easily fund the for the the jail and
even police. I mean, they're giving Nexemberg County taxpayers. They're
giving millions of dollars of free money to illegal ailien
But you know, say, if you're a citizen, you have
to work three times, it's hard to get anything.
Speaker 1: So part of the part of it is that the
money is uh, it's it is sent out in the
form of grants to these nonprofit organizations under you know,
innocuous headings of uh, you know, community outreach or you know,
improving health outcomes, stuff like that, and so they fund
these third party NGOs essentially nonprofits.
Speaker 5: And that's what the n g os are, right.
Speaker 1: Right, they're passed their Yeah, they're passed through organizations to
take the tax grant money and use it to then
fund things that the local government doesn't want to fund
and have you know, and have that publicized, or they
don't know it's being funded. Either way, the result is
the same, Nicole. I appreciate the call. And that does
not count. By the way, the price of educating kids,
building new schools to house more of the kids because
of the Pliler v. Doo ruling years ago, that we
have to anybody, you know, any kid that shows up
gets a seat in the classroom kind of a thing. So, yeah,
there's a lot, there's a there is a cost. There
is a large cost. And by the way, here's one
of the other things. If you remove the illegal alien population,
then you don't have the same cost burden to provide
all of these services that that goes away as well.
So I mentioned that our sheriff Gary not my fault.
McFadden put out a statement the other day, or I think, well,
this may have been today, and I know this is
I know this is picky, it's petty, but I say
it every time because it's a waste of resources, my resources.
When I print out his press releases, I waste probably
about twenty percent of the page on green and gold ink.
I waste another thirty percent of the page on a
big photo of him and Mecklenburg County Sheriff Gary L.
McFadden working to influence change by being dot dot dot
quote the difference end quote, working to influence change by
being the difference. Like did Chad GPT give you that line?
That is a that's just a silly slogan, but anyway,
And then there's a logo from the Sheriff's office. Literally
half the page is a waste of ink and a
third of the page is him anyway, and it's a PDF,
so you can't even do anything with it. Annoying, All right,
here's the statement headline, CBP leaves Charlotte tangled in web
of confusion, bitten with mistrust, filled with venomous fear. They're
just really leaning into the whole spider thing. You know,
he says, as we all know, the recent Customs and
Border Patrol Charlotte's web operation created confusion, fear, and mistrust
throughout Mecklenburg County. Yeah. No, I think it was the
importation of tens of thousands of illegal aliens, many of whom,
hundreds of whom had criminal records. I think that actually
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the Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, Gary not my Fault McFadden,
put out the press release now that the Charlotte's Web
operation by Customs and Border Patrol has left town, and
the basic gist of it is, don't blame me. It's
not my fault, which is very on brand for Gary
Not my fault McFadden, he says in this press release.
But let me be perfectly clear, the Mecklenberg County Sheriff's
office played no role in causing that confusion, which he
says was caused by CBP, which it actually wasn't. It
was in fact caused by him. The fact that he
ran on a platform back in twenty eighteen of refusing
to cooperate with ICE, promising to scrap the two eighty
seven G program, which is the program that allows local
Sheriff's office detention officers to essentially get access to the
ICE database. They're like, they become like they take a
training class and stuff, and they become sort of a
sworn official that has access then to the ICE database,
and they can when somebody comes into the jail, they
can identify that person based on the ICE database, and
they can find out if the person is here illegally.
ICE is then alerted and ICE can deport them. They
can also find out if the person is wanted on
like serious charges and such, right, which might actually play
a role, and whether or not you release the person
back out into the community. You know, somebody who's here
illegally and you don't bother to confirm their actual identity.
They give you some fake documents, you book them in
under one name, and then you find out, oh, that's
actually a sacario from a cartel. But you'ready let them
go because you didn't know that, right, So it is
actually his fault. He ran on the platform to scrap
the two eighty seven G cooperation, and the first day
when he won, he celebrated the scrapping of the two
eighty seven G program with a cake that said two
eighty seven G with a big red circle around it
and a diagonal line through the word two eighty seven G.
And then he cut the cake right through the two
eighty seven G frosting. Okay, so this is what he
ran on. And so this is a lie. The confusion
and the fear and the mistrust and all of that,
it is a direct result of you, sheriff. You you
did this because had we not scrapped our compliance and
cooperation with two eighty seven G, had we continued what
your three Democrat predecessor sheriffs had done, had you just
continued to do that, CBP would probably not have come
to ten. CBP's operation is a result of your actions.
He goes on to say, the only communication that the
sheriff's office received regarding this activity was a brief heads
up from federal officials that personnel would arrive on Saturday,
November sixteenth. Our agency received a follow up message five
days later that they would depart on Thursday the twentieth.
Any other news that would be reported thereafter is false.
So I'm assuming McFadden always with the thin skin. I'm
assuming that he has gotten word from people, the community
activists or something, that he's gotten word that he is
somehow to blame, or he's implicated for cooperating with Ice
or something, and so he wants to put that to rest.
I had nothing to do with this. I support your
right to break the law, is what he's saying. Don't
look at me. I wasn't trying to round up illegal
aliens in Mecklenburg County. I was opposed to the rounding
up of criminal illegal aliens. Immigration, he says, didn't suddenly
become an issue when CBP arrived in Charlotte. Our community
has been grappling with immigration challenges since the day I
took office in December twenty eighteen. Yet in the last
several days, many people, including elected officials, advocates, and organizations,
have shown more urgency than they have in the last
several years. For those of us who have been continually
fighting this fight, the struggle is not new. What's he
talking about here?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: When you first hear this, when I first read it,
you might have concluded what I initially did was that
he's talking about fighting illegal immigration. But he's not. He's
talking about fighting immigration enforcement. That's what he's talking about.
For those of us who have been fighting this fight,
the struggle is not new. And to those who are
just now realizing the weight of these issues, I welcome
you to the conversation. Seekaus again. Always the hero or
the victim, never the villain. He is the hero. He's
been fighting this alone for so long, and now, thank goodness,
people have finally woken up in there. They're harassing Customs
and Border patrol officers who are doing their operation. They're
they're swarming their facility, they're blocking them in traffic, they're
videotaping their faces and doxing them online. Thank goodness, we
now have fellow foot soldiers in the nullification insurrection, because
that's what this is. It's nullification. It is local elected
government officials who are trying to nullify and not enforce,
not allowed to be enforced federal law. Nullification crisis, he says.
And to those who are just now real I welcome
you to the conversation. I welcome you to the fight.
If this recent experience opened some eyes, then I hope
you are fully aware now and woke to what our
community has been facing all along. And he puts the
word woke in quotes because ever the thin skin, he's
very sensitive to being labeled as one of the woke sheriffs.
He along with Quentin Miller up in Bunkhom County, I
forget the other fellow's name out of Durham, another one
in Wake County, and they all rode this. They rode
this wave into office in twenty eighteen, this promise not
to cooperate with ICE, and they got labeled the woke
sheriffs because there's like four or five of them in
the state and we got one hundred sheriffs. So this
is what he's talking about, Like, this is not this
struggle is not about illegal immigration enforcement. It's about enforcing
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Let me first jump over to the phones here. I've
got a little bit of audio I want to play.
This is kind of a big day for me. I
got a bit of a present today. I'll let you
know what that's about in a minute. First, let me
get over to Joseph. Hello, Joseph, welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Hey, how you doing. Hey, I'm good taking my call.
I'm a retired police officer, and it is not uncommon
for local police officers and deputies to work with federal
agencies on a limited basis. I worked with Homeland Security.
I had two weeks of extra training, was sworn in,
and I was human trafficking drugs and things like that.
But US marshals have local officers that do it. The
even so Secret Service we work with them on occasion
during campaigns and so forth. Even on the local level,
the ABC officers for North Carolina have local officers that
work with them. So the thing that's happening with the
sheriff's department is not that unusual. They're trained. It's been
but it's been politicized, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this was the law I was on the
books for decades. And the former Democrat Mecklemberg sheriff Jim Penograph,
he went to some sheriff conference or something years ago
and was talking with some sheriff out of like Texas
or something, and he told him about this two eighty
seven G program. And when Penograph found out about it,
he instituted it here and then was hired on by
the Bush administration to travel the country and help other
jurisdictions set up their own two eighty seven G programs.
Speaker 7: And it works well. And as far as us assisting
the FED, which is ridiculous, I'd be like saying if
a bank rob if a bank gets robbed and as
a local police officer, I don't go because it's a
federal crime. So you enforced the law.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the bank robbery one is a perfect example
because they're federal laws. But it's not like CMPD doesn't
go and assist it's a bank robbery, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: So it's no different with the sheriff's office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph, I appreciate the call, sir. Thank you for
your service too. I appreciate it. Thank you all right,
take care, yes, sir. From McFadden's press release, the way
CBP conducted the operation highlights a critical truth that both
local and federal law enforcement agencies cannot operate in silos.
This is coming from the guy that created the silo.
This is gaslighting. Don't whiz on my boots and tell
me it's raining. You created the silo. You want them
to give you all this information about their operations that
they're going to be running. But you're the one that
created the distance. You walled yourself off from ICE. You
did that when you campaigned against cooperating with ICE, and
then you dismantled the two eighty seven G program. In
your jail, you refuse to pick up the phone and
call ICE to let them know that you're about to
release somebody. You force the state lawmakers to pass multiple
bills to try to force you to drag you, kicking
and screaming to a cooperative posture. You created the silo. Oh,
it's just so annoying. Hate being gaslet, But I am
too bright for it. By the way, New York Times
in a story today, mister Biden allowed many migrants to
enter the country temporarily as a way to incentivize them
to avoid crossing the border illegally. Those people became eligible
to work in the United States, receive Social Security numbers,
and in some cases receive federal benefits. Just the casual
acknowledgment of the very thing that we have been saying
for the last six years, now, five years, that the
New York Times now just admits it as like this
is a huge scandal. They did it on purpose, all right.
Let me jump over to this audio clip. This is
a moment of personal privilege. If I might So this
is a clip, a mashup, a montage, if you will,
a couple of different conversations. US Senator Tom Tillis was
on this morning. He was in studio with the Good
Morning BT crew, and here's what they chatted about.
Speaker 3: At one point, let's move on, guys.
Speaker 6: I mean, my gosh, we need a little bit of
adults in the room being a little bit more mature.
Speaker 3: Stop all this back and forth.
Speaker 6: This sort of amateurish or childish behavior at end, either
end of the spectrum is not a vote tainer.
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 4: Yes, very nice? Yes, hear that big calendar.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Are you impressed?
Speaker 4: Are you optimistic or pessimistic about twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3: I think right now we've you know, you're you're always.
Speaker 6: Going to have a challenge in the in the year,
the congressional elections after a new president's in place.
Speaker 3: But we've got to get serious about health care. We've
got to get We've got to just calm down. I
want to be the adults in the room.
Speaker 6: Let the Democrats continue to be the liberal you know,
fanatics that some of them can be.
Speaker 3: But I'm watching the display up here earlier.
Speaker 6: I now know how to pronounce Afton Bay and spell
her name, because I was in Middle Tennessee all weekend
and there's ads running non stop. Republicans need to understand
when you've got a district that's in play, or we
may only win by single digits and Trump carried by
twenty points.
Speaker 3: Pay attention, folks. You can learn from that.
Speaker 4: US Centator Tome tell us the time goes fast. We
always appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 3: Thank you loved it.
Speaker 4: Happy Thanksgiving, and we'll be back tomorrow here on good morning.
Speaker 3: I'm votainer in.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, what have I talked about the preference cascade?
People slowly at first, and then very quickly because Senator
Tillis was in the studio and he saw that I
had posted a sign up.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: I posted that sign up last year, and it says
new rule. Let me get my glasses on new rule.
The word vote getter is banned. It is a terrible
word that should die. Instead use the word votainer. Thank
you for your attention to this matter. So I posted
that up there to try to get people to start
using the word votainer. It's been a slow slog, I
will tell you, people, very slow. This has been like
a decade that I've been promoting this word, I have
gotten a couple of converts. It's still not in widespread use, though,
but Senator Tillis was in here, and whatever you think
about Senator till Us, it doesn't matter. The point is
he used the word votainer. Now the real challenge is
going to be will he continue to use it? Will
he adopt it in you know, normal conversation, regular conversation,
because that's how we win hearts and minds here. People
do not use the term vote getter. It's awful, it's awkward,
it sounds terrible. Votainer it's cleaner, it sounds better, makes
sense slowly at first, then very quickly. That's how it's
going to happen.
Speaker 3: People.
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