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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to Fight Time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend now here is your host DJ leaves well

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off of the Thanksgiving holiday and surviving consuming lots of food,

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and then we have like the Black Friday Mayhem going

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on in the middle of the night, etc. We're ready

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for the weekend. We actually have some action in England

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and in also another location. What else do we have

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in Temecula, California this weekend that we're ready to preview?

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It is the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast, the Turkey

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Edition Gobble Gobble, Welcome in. I am merely the somewhat

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capable host TJ Reeves. He is our insider Dan Raphael

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Lamont Roach, by the way, coming up, who will challenge

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Isaac Pittbull Cruise for a completely unnecessary WBC interim Junior

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welterway title. They're calling it an interim title fight. It's

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the main event on the PBC on Prime pay per view,

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not this weekend, but December sixth, next weekend. You'll hear

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from Lamont Roach right here on this very podcast. We

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have a lot to get to and cover. Big Dan,

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good to be with you again. You and I are

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doing this full disclosure on Thursday night into Friday. Did

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you good enough to eat for Thanksgiving? Are you all good?

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My friend?

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Speaker 2: We had a we had a wonderful Thanksgiving. And what

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we did last year we went and visited my family

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up in Upstate New York and spent the holiday with

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my mom and sister and my brother in law, and

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my niece and nephew, and my brother in law's family

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that lived nearby. So we had a whole bunch of people.

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This year, we did what we typically do when we

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don't go to visit the family. We went out to

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Ruth Chris and had a beautiful Thanksgiving meal that's outstanding.

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Speaker 1: I saw some other acquaintances in Tampa Bay that went

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to Ruth Chris, so they had the good spread.

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Speaker 2: We need to get them to sponsor the show with

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a Thanksgiving Let me tell you should.

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Speaker 1: Work on that. You were right there to night and say, hey,

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fight freaks to night, big, let's do it. So did

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you I was gonna say you did turkey? Did you

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do any like stak uh bites or anything? That's what

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they're known for.

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Speaker 2: So you get the turkey meal. It came my son

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and I got the turkey meal. My wife has something separate.

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But she doesn't care for turkey. She doesn't. She had

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like crab cakes and cream spinach and potato castle.

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Speaker 1: Role they have the buffet.

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Speaker 2: It's not about okay, they didn't have a buffet, right,

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But if you get the Thanksgiving meal, it comes with

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a very good portion of turkey, great gravy. Then you

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got your choice aside. You get a salad or soup,

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you get like you know, be the green beans with

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with you know, garlic, or you get mashed potatoes or

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the cream spinach or all kinds of stuff, and then

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you get a dessert. It comes with.

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Speaker 1: It for you and young raypaiel what did you go with?

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Speaker 2: I went with the turkey and the green beans on

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the salad. He went with the turkey and the mashed

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potatoes and the Caesar style. But that when they bring

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the sides out there done family style. So had some.

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Speaker 1: There was what did you go with for dessert?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: What did you get? You go pumpkin pie? Do you

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go apple pie?

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Speaker 2: Well, it comes with the choice I think was either

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like ice cream or pumpkin cheesecake, pumpkin cheese. We upgrade

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it to the different cheesecake for like actually like five bucks,

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and we each had a little bit of that and

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we still have like three quarters of it left for

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you're good for the leftovers, right. So we

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did this and we'll move on to the boxing in

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just a moment, and we even have a shout out

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here at the beginning of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Stand By by the way, I.

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Speaker 1: Know the trip to fan is affecting both of us

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right now, but we're still somewhat awake, and we got

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Lamont Roach coming up to help spice things up. We

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did my parents, my sister, my brother in law at

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their house. It was great to be around them. Did

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the turkey, all the sides, the whole bit, desserts, and

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guess what, Big Dan, We're gonna do the same thing

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tomorrow with my in laws and my brother in law

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who works for the same Pete Police department and he

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was working on duty man on duty on Thanksgiving Day,

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So we'll do the same thing tomorrow on Friday, with

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the same sides, the same dessert in replay deja vu

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all over again, like your man, Yo, Giberra once said,

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we'll do that tomorrow on Black Friday. So there you

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go on the food and the food consumption. I did

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have some pecan pie earlier today. You're not a pecan pie,

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die right? You don't like that?

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time favorite.

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Speaker 1: Oh it is all right. So I need to box

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up a piece of my mother in law's homemade pecan pie,

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put it in a little dried ice, and mail it

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to you, is what you're saying. I mean would that

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we're already bff's best friends forever, but then I would

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turn out all right. So there's the Thanksgiving coverage. Now

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I got to do a shout out, and you do

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not You do not know what's coming. We did not

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rehearse this, and I did not know what was coming.

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So full disclosure, because you and I have not talked

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since my Buccaneers got throttled on Sunday night football by

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the Rams in Los Angeles. The Rams are really good.

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The Bucks were not good last Sunday night. So we

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flew all night back to Tampa Bay trying to regroup

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Thanksgiving week. Buccaneers ready to play the Cardinals this weekend.

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The Erazone Cardinals. So the Arizona Cardinals have a series

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of podcasts they do every week. Everybody's going to the

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podcasting and here comes the fun part. My guy Craig

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contacted me, who I did not know, and said, hey,

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we need a buccaneer perspective. We love your work. Can

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you come on with us and talk buccaneers with us?

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And we lined up a time to do this on

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Wednesday with you and I taping this. So Craig and

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Zach are the host talking buccaneer match up with the

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Cardinals from the Cardinal perspective. I'm educating them on the bucks.

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Are you ready for the punchline?

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Speaker 2: Ready?

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Speaker 1: Audience? And Dan Craig says to me before we hit

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the record button, I just have to say I am

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a massive fan of the Big Fight Weekend and Fight

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Freaks your night.

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Speaker 2: Proud baby go.

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Speaker 1: He says. Every Thursday going into Friday in the preview

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mode and every Sunday after Monday going into the recap mode.

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I'm with you every week for the last few years,

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Craig and Zach, and Zach says, I'm a huge Fight fan. Two,

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I love your work. I've loved Dan Rayphiel for years.

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I don't know if you paid these guys and set

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that I did not know them either. So then Craig

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busts off IBF doing IBF things. He busts off, what

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are we doing here? I'm like, these guys are faithful listeners.

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I love it through the program and I had no idea.

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So we started talking off the air, Jake Paul and

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Anthony Joshua. They wanted to know, do we think this

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is gonna be legitimate? A lot of people think it's fixed,

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and then somehow Jake Paul's gonna bribe Anthony Joshua would

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have let the fight go for a long time. I said,

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I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know

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about that. They wanted to talk boxing before we got

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to the Cardinal Buccaneer portion, and we also talked to

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Benavetez because he's based in Phoenix. He trains in Seattle.

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So Craig and Zach shout out to them. And I

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have said this for over thirty years of doing sports

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radio and the media about you never know who's out there.

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Am I correct reading you, watching you, listening to you?

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You will have all kinds of people all the time

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come up, as I have in my radio and TV

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dealings and everything I've done, and you had no idea

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they were watching. And how about that the Cardinal podcast

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guys are fans of this pod and they're probably listening

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and roaring right now because they said they would be

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listening this weekend. So I'm shouting him out one more time.

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There you go. I like it all right. On to

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this weekend and what we do not a lot to preview,

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but there is some, including Mackie Manny Pachil's son making

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his debut. Let's talk about the two fights in England.

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Give us a quick preview of Ben Whittaker, the light heavyweight,

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the British light heavyweight who's changed trainers. He's in the

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match room to his own main event Saturday afternoon US

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time in Birmingham, England. And then also the boxer main

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event in Derby, England is Fraser Clark in action for

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the vacant British heavyweight title. Give me the preview on

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both of those, if you would for Saturday afternoon US time.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I think you just misspoke. Ben Whittaker changed promoters.

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Speaker 1: Not promoters, not trainers.

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Speaker 2: My bad, so he had been Ben Whittaker. If you

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don't follow boxing, you should know if you do follow boxing,

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I should say you should know who he is. He

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is a light heavyweight. He was an Olympic medalist from

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Great Britain. He won the silver medal in two thousand

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and twenty and he signed with Boxer as to turn professional.

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amateur for a long time and of course the twenty

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with Boxer, but he was going to sign with Mattrum.

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had known Ben for a number of years and in

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exposure he could receive on their broadcaster, which was Sky Sports,

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which is the behemoth in the UK, was just frankly

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a bigger deal than his own at the time, and

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ten fights. He's nine and zero with a draw. He

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had that wacky technical jaw. If you recall a few

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fights out two fights ago when they got ten, he

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was having a real tough fight against a fighter in

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at Leam Cameron. This is in like the end of

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twenty twenty four, and they fell out of the ring

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in a cass and he injured his He injured his

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leg and he ended up ended, becoming a technical decision.

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of criticism for such a poor performance in that first fight,

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he knocked him out in the second round and you know,

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looked really good. So his contract, which was tied to

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the boxer Sky deal, came to an end because when

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deal with Boxer, so he became a free agent. Boxer

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subsequently did a much smaller deal financially with BBC, which

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is obviously a big broadcast platform in the UK, but

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their fights are going to be on BBC two and

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the BBC what they call the Eye Players, so it

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won't be as great of exposure. But more notably, it's

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not the kind of money that the Budge it allows

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for if you're on his own. So when he became free,

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Eddie you know, redoubled his efforts to try to sign

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him and just just raves about his talent, loves the

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fact that he's very marketable and he understands social media

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like he's good both in the ring as well as

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the marketability aspect. You know, he understands that people either

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love him or hate them, but they're gonna watch them,

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and so this is gonna be their first fight together

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or they're going to his hometown area in Birmingham, England.

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He's from just outside of Birmingham. He's taken on a

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German fighter named Ben Gavasi who has got a very

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glistening record. He's nineteen and one, and so from that perspective,

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it looks, oh, he's nineteen and one, he's got thirteen knockouts.

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He's thirty years old, so he's about the same age,

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like a year older than Ben Whitaker is. And you know,

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if you start to do a little examination of what's

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under the hood, you see that he's fighting guys who

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are eleven, sixteen and one, guys you never heard of

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guys who were four and ten in recent times, Guys

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who are thirty eight and fifty two. He had, you know,

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and his last.

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in that fight one of the regional WBC titles. So

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the WBC, but also we're going home, let's get to

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know you on his owne because he's gonna be now

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in front of a presumably a new boxing audience because

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he's never fought on his own before. Now we'll also

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be fighting his first fight under the match Room Boxing promotion,

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and so they have big plans for him. This is

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as Eddie has said many times, step it up. Be

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super busy, probably maybe four fights in twenty twenty five,

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get to the point where you're now in the in

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the position to be in a title eliminator, perhaps some

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type of title fight, whatever the case may be. So

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that's the fight that this weekend. So this is you know,

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hopefully Gavasi will put up a good fight. But the

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idea here is it's showcase time for Ben Whitaker in

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front of a new audience and to basically start what

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and big hopes. Probably probably if he wins, will end

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up with a ranking in the WBC. So you're talking

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about the next step in a career of a guy

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that has a massive amount of talent but probably could

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stand to cool off a little bit of the hot

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dog aspect of things in the ring. So there's that.

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that fight, as I said, that's on Saturday on his

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own in Birmingham, England. But the folks at Boxer have

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a card the same night. They're competing against their old

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guy who moved to the new to the other promoter.

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This is going to be the first event of their

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deal with BBC. Now was delayed by about a month

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because of an injury. But nonetheless Fraser Clark against Jamie Tashiva,

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who they call TKV is his nickname. They are fighting

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and this will be the main event of that boxer

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card and it will be for the vacant British heavyweight title.

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heavyweight division that have come through Britain, most of them

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that's held the British title. It does have some allure

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to the British fighters, to the public. They're aware of

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its meaning and the good thing. Okay, so we know

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that the Ben Whitaker fight here in the United States

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is on his own as well as around the world,

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and that the fight between between Fraser Clark and Shakiva

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is on BBC two in the UK and their Eyeplayer.

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It's part of the Triller TV Plus package which I

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subscribe to. And I must say, and they're not paying

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me for this. I don't even have like an affiliate

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link with them. This is just free promotion for anybody

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who gives a shit. So I was paying like seven

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ninety nine a month for my subscription to Triller Plus,

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and you get all kinds of stuff on there, you know,

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boxing and otherwise I could have got a year would

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have cost me seventy dollars for the year. I just

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opted to the monthly. They have a Black Friday idea

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which I changed over my subscription to a few days ago,

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thirty five bucks for the year. Now again, I'm not

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being paid for this. I'm not I'm not promoting with them,

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but I'm just being real. You care about.

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Speaker 1: Taking advantage of the Black Friday Special.

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Speaker 2: I took advantage and they should have. They should have

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paid me for it. But it's a million times worth

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it for what they offer you. All right, I did that.

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So that's that's that will be on.

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Speaker 1: Triller Plus if you want to see it, and you

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can take advantage of the Black Friday Special to see

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a park.

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Speaker 2: Just in terms of the fight itself, I mean that

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should be like a fungal heavyweight.

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Speaker 1: Clark had the wild fight with Wardley, that was the draw, right,

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and then the rematch Wardley destroyed him in the one round.

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So now we have is he recovered from that? Is

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he different for good because of that? Well, like he

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bounce back we don't know now.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, he had the incredible draw against Wardley,

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which was a Fight of the Year contender legit. In

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the rematch, which is one one of the undercards in

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Saudi Arabia, he got bulitzed in the first round in

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very brutal fashion. He has come back from that. In

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this past April, he beat Ebenezer Teta, who gave Dylan

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White like a really solid fight. This is not a

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great fighter, but he's a guy that's gonna test you.

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If you're not prepared, he'll beat you. So he did

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that win and so now he's coming back for this

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second fight of twenty twenty five against Shakiva and Shakiva

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he's coming off he fought for the vacant British title

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in his last fight against David Adelay and he got

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stopped in the sixth round. But Adelaie vacated and is

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doing other things, so he's getting another shot at the

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British title. So he's coming off of that knockout loss.

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But he has had some other like decent performances. He

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was on some of these other boxer undercards on the

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British level. This is an attractive fight if you ask me,

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and you know, I would imagine that you're gonna make

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Fraser Clark the favor. But you know, it's a fun fight,

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I think, all right, And so anyway, so those you

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got Ben Whitaker in the light heavyweights in the main

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event for his own on Mattroum. He got these heavyweights

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in the main event on the Boxer card, which is

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BBC in Britain but in here in the United States

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Trailer TV plus.

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Speaker 1: All right, again, we'll hear from Lamont Roach in a

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couple of minutes. But let's also touch on the ESPN

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Deporte's card in Temechila, California. The main event has Lorenzo

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Para and Elijah Pierce as featherweights. You'll educate us on that.

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But the bigger deal probably and the intrigue is it's

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Manny Pacquiao's promotion that's putting the fight on and Manny

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Junior is making his pro debut go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that's the intriguing part. So like the main event,

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Elijah Pierce against Lorenzopara, that's a pretty solid fight among

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like hopeful featherweights. Let's say they're in the twelve rounder.

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to put themselves among the ratings. They have good records

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Pierces twenty one and two and Lorenzo par Is twenty

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three to one in one, so that seems to be

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on paper anyway, and evenly match main event. We normally

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wouldn't really discuss this. It is notable because it is

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the first Mani Paquao Promotions card taking place in the

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United States. They're doing this in Temecula, California at the

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Pachanga Resort Casino, which is hosted a number of boxing

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events through the years, and they're going to be doing

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some regular activity in America, and Nanny will be there

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and the bigger The reason why we decided to talk

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about this on the show is because when you've got

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one of the all time greatest fighters in history of

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the sport, who's won titles in eight weight classes, who

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was a legend among legends, who was a Mount Rushmore

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caliber Hall of Famer, and just as big as it

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gets in boxing, and his son, who's twenty four years old,

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Manny Pacio Junior, who goes by the name Jimmy Well,

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that's what everybody calls him. He's making his professional debut

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and that's sort of like a big thing now. He's

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a lightweight. He's in a four rounder. His opponent is

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a guy named Brendan Lally who's also in his pro debut,

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who is from Chicago, Illinois. I'm not sure how the

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folks scouted him necessarily if he's never had a fight before,

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but I think they probably feel good enough about what

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they've seen from a Manny Junior who was trained by

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Marvin's amodio, who of course has been a long time

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assistant to Freddie Roach and has been in Manny Pacyow's

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corner for many of his fights through the years. So

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they're keeping that all in the family. He trains at

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the wild Card where Freddie Roach has his gym and

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his people, and so there's that he's turning pro. I mean,

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how could you not be interested see that? And of consequence,

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when the fight was first announced, they were talking about

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how he comes in this fight. He's been training as

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an amateur for about four years. Three or four years.

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His girlfriend was pregnant with their first child. She actually

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had the baby. I don't know if it was on

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Thursday or Wednesday, but that is Mannipacia's first grandchild that

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was born in Nanny and Jack Forster's pictures of them

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with the baby on his social media. So Grandpa Manny

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and his son Manny Junior are going to be together

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at a boxing event with this when it's not Manny

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Pacio fighting in the main event, it's Manny Pacio Junior

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fighting in the co feature of this event. All right,

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So you got a figure TJ with the son of

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a legend. I mean we've seen before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this can happen in a pro debut alright again,

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ESPN Deportis and ESPN Plus, So if you're an ESPN

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Plus subscriber of which it's built into my Hulu. While

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we plug live things, I will be able to see

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this on coming up on Saturday night from California. We

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have one more bit of business before we get to

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Lamont Roach and that was the teak In Promotions card

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earlier this week. It was Monday morning in the United

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States Monday night in Japan, and the younger brother of

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Naoia in a way, the Monster Takuma in a Way,

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has won the vacant WBC Bantamweight Championship by decision, and

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there were a couple of other intriguing fights on the

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card as well. Give me give me your recap thoughts

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there from Monday since that happened, since we did the

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recap podcast.

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Speaker 2: Right I was watching the beginning of this anyway in

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the middle of the night because it came out of

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like three point thirty in the morning on the top

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ranked fash channels that we discussed about some of their

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previous events as they're finding placeholders for some of these

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events that they had rights to before they get whatever

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they're going to do worked out. So because I did

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not stay up for the whole thing, you'd be proud

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of me. DJ there's no way to DVR, so I

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stuck a DVD in and I recorded.

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Speaker 1: The Wait, old school burning of the DVD. You have

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a tvd Yeah, you have a DVD burner that you

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can record off the TV.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a DVD.

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Speaker 1: That is so two thousands of you. I am proud

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of you that you still have that technology and that capability.

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Speaker 2: I still record fights on DVD in my collection, but

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this was one of the what normally what I do

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when you.

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Speaker 1: Have it, you have it connected through a USB or

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through a HDMI cable to the TV to.

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Speaker 2: The burner and boom.

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Speaker 1: But it's not a rolled on it in the middle

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of the night.

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Speaker 2: Here here, let me explain what I'm talking about. First

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of all, it's a regular old school it's a half

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DVD recorder or play DVR records. No player, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: No, you're not you're not listening a DVD R. Excuse me,

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a DVD R, I misspoke, which means it can record DVDs. Yeah,

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just playing go it's.

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Speaker 2: Half and half on one half. If I wanted to,

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I could record a VHS, which I haven't done in years.

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You can record and or play a DVD. Now, when

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the event on the DVR and then I'm able to

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know exactly how long it is, and I record it

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that way. I don't do it how I want to

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do it. This way, you just kind of got to

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take a fire because I don't know how long it's

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going to last. So I put the DVD in, I

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set it for the four hour mode, and I led

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a roll because I knew I was going to fall

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asleep before I saw the full event. And so I

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made it through some of the cart, and I woke

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up in the morning and I watched the rest of

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the cart and anyway, in the main event, it was

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to kum In a Way who became a two time

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Bandamway champion. Because he had previously briefly held the WBA title,

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he now won the vacant WBC title, which incidentally liked

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the WBA belt where belts at his brother he once

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had when he was undisputed, and he ends up winning

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the title that one of the two belts that Junto

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Nakatani vacated to move up and wait. So the two

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guys that were paired to make the match were to

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00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,200
kom in Away and Tension Nasakawa, who we have discussed.

475
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,599
He is the very popular, very famous former kickboxer in

476
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,319
Japan who is now pursuing a professional boxing career. He's

477
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,720
the one that a year a few years ago, as

478
00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:58,759
a much smaller fighter, Floyd Maywether absolutely destroyed in one

479
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,079
round of an exhibition match. But as a boxer, hes

480
00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:02,960
looked pretty good and so he gave it him. It

481
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,240
was a competitive fight, but in a way one he

482
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:09,440
was just more experienced a little trickier, you know, was

483
00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:11,960
more under control. I felt like wins the fight one

484
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,039
seventeen to one eleven, one sixteen to one twelve on

485
00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:16,440
two score cards, and he wins the vacant WBC vandam

486
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,079
waight Teto. That was the main event. And because they

487
00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:21,759
were using open scoring in Japan, like the WBC likes

488
00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:24,000
to do if they can do it in certain territories,

489
00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:27,440
you could follow along. And you knew that after the

490
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,920
first four rounds it was even on all three score cards,

491
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,960
and then in a way started to open it up

492
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,039
because when they announced the cards after round eight, he

493
00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:36,640
had opened a lead on two of the score cards,

494
00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:38,000
or on all three of the score two of the

495
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,920
three score cards, one was even still, but he was

496
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,039
up by at least two points on the other two cards,

497
00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:44,000
so that that led to some intrigue. And then the

498
00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:46,880
other fights were also of interest. You had the Las

499
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240
Vegas featherweight Arreys Aleem, who's been a pretty good contender

500
00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:52,400
for a long time, but kind of below the radar

501
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,519
from a lot of people. He was the underdog and

502
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:56,640
he went He fought a top ranks sign fighter named

503
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,880
Mikito and Nikano, who was fourteen to oh with thirteen knockouts,

504
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,279
who looked absolutely sensational on a couple of recent teak

505
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,960
and shows, and he was the favorite to win this fight,

506
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,839
but it was reyse Alim with that veteran experience and

507
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,359
that that the the style that he had just he

508
00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:14,599
he took it to him. He wins a decision. He

509
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,759
scored a knockdown in the last few seconds with a

510
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,079
nice right hand of the tenth round. He wins this

511
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,839
fight one eighteen to one oh nine, one sixteen to

512
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,119
one eleven, one fifteen to one to twelve. And why

513
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,799
it was significant is because it was an IBF final eliminator,

514
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,839
so he now becomes the mandatory challenger for the title

515
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:32,119
that is currently held by Angelo Leo, although Angelo Leo

516
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,599
has a fight coming up, so whoever wins that fight

517
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,640
will be obligated to fight Liam at some point and

518
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,160
then the third fight. And I found this to be

519
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,319
actually the most intriguing for different reasons. There's a fighter

520
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,200
in Japan who's an older fighter as a as a

521
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:47,480
junior fanwa. He's already twenty nine years old, but he's

522
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,079
a former world amateur champion. He just turned professional much

523
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,880
later than you would have expected. His name is Tamoya

524
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,559
Suboy and he was two and zero with a knockout

525
00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:59,519
going into this fight. And they matched up with Carlos Quadras,

526
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:02,400
who is a former champion, a veteran who's fought everybody,

527
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,839
and he's he's certainly not, you know, at his best.

528
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,279
He's passed his best days at age thirty seven. But

529
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:11,119
to see him in the ring with a guy that's

530
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,519
two and oh was a little surprising. And if you

531
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:16,640
know Quadris, he was part of that great foursome in

532
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,480
and around the junior vandamweight division. It was Quadrius, it

533
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:22,440
was Sarungva said, it was Roman Gonzalez and Jan Francisco

534
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,480
a Strata and they all fought each other in the

535
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,960
round robin, you know, like this small weight fighter version,

536
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,799
if you will, of the great round robin of Hagler

537
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:35,160
and Leonard and Duran and hearns. But every everybody's day

538
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,599
comes and goes and Colors Quadras got annihilated in this fight.

539
00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:40,359
And he had been you know, he'd been fighting pretty

540
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,920
well over the last few years. He'd been winning fights

541
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,160
for the most part, and he got he got hammered,

542
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,480
he got stopped in the eighth round and Zuboy goes

543
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,000
to three and oh and he looks like a real

544
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,920
player in the future in this weight class. And afterwards, Quadris,

545
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,720
who has had a tremendous career, he announced his retirement.

546
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,960
He was just getting battered. He announced that at the

547
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,000
press commence afterwards he was down seventy to sixty three.

548
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,039
He had all three squarecards. And you know, if that

549
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,079
is in fact the last receive of Carlos Quadra, shout

550
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:05,559
out to him, because he fought a lot of top

551
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:07,519
guys and you know, made a lot of fun fights

552
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,599
and again part of that great force of fighters, at

553
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,240
least two of which will be in the Hall of Fame.

554
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,880
He and rung beside may fall slightly short of that,

555
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,759
but certainly Roman Gonzalez and h and Juan Francisco Strado

556
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,799
are going to be in shrine someday. But they would

557
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:23,880
not have had the legacies that they have without Carlos

558
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,720
Quadris and Sarungisi being part of that.

559
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,759
Speaker 1: Sure, and Bam Rodriguez not came out too in the

560
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:30,200
last couple of years as well.

561
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: Against Quadris, well he didn't knock him out.

562
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,759
Speaker 1: When knock him out, but he beat him beat Yeah,

563
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:34,200
when when.

564
00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: Bam won his first world title. That was the fight

565
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,160
he took on short notice, and he moved up a

566
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,000
couple of weight classes because Carlos Quadris's opponent had fallen out.

567
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,759
I think it was sarungis I actually and U and

568
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:45,759
he fought it for the for the vacant title of

569
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,559
the WBC in the one hundred and fifteen pound weight class,

570
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,319
and he won that fight, and that was that was

571
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,480
BAM's coming out party. But Quadris had won some fight

572
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,119
since then, so even though Quadris may have been passed

573
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,920
his best at the time he fought Bam, he was

574
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,400
still a very good fighter at that point.

575
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: All right, good cappage. Let's get to Lamont Roach againy

576
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,599
fights Isaac Pittbull Cruise, PBC Prime Main event PBC on

577
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,279
Prime pay per View in San Antonio. Not this weekend,

578
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:13,960
but next weekend, December sixth, but before fight week ever

579
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,240
gets underway, Big Dan's been hustling before Thanksgiving. Here is

580
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:19,359
Lamont Roach right now on the pod.

581
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: Well, it is my pleasure to be joined on our

582
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,039
podcast this week by Lamont Roach. Lamont Roach, you have

583
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,039
another challenging fight coming up December sixth. You'll be main

584
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,319
event of the PBC Prime Video pay per view CARDI

585
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,279
B challenging the WBC Interim Junior Welterweight title holder Isaac

586
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,400
Pittbull Cruise in the Great Fight City of San Antonio

587
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,960
at the Frost Bank Center. So welcome to the show.

588
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,400
The last time we spoke was before you had your

589
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,400
last fight against Tank Davis earlier this year, so you know,

590
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,200
I got it before we get into everything with Pitbull,

591
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,240
which I find would be a very intriguing fight, to

592
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:54,200
be honest, we got to get into a little bit

593
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000
about what we've seen earlier this year. That fight was

594
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,839
back in February. You moved up in wait to lightweight

595
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,400
to challenge him for his WBA Lightweight championship, and you

596
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,440
were held to what most people considered a highly controversial

597
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,680
draw in that fight. A lot of people thought that

598
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,680
you won that fight, that the referee blew the knockdown

599
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,880
call in the ninth round, did not penalize him by

600
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,119
points or DQ for running to the corner getting wiped off.

601
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,599
There was all kinds of things that went haywire. They

602
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:27,880
screwed up the potential for a replay. So all these

603
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,920
months later where you made him take the knockdown in

604
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,480
front of the whole world. How do you reflect on

605
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,079
that fight and what the heck happened? Do you feel

606
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:36,759
like you were robbed?

607
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,079
Speaker 3: For sure, it's exactly how you you know, how you

608
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,039
described it though, that's exactly how I feel. I mean,

609
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:46,279
it was in plain sight. So it's sad. It's sad that,

610
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:52,400
you know, boxing comes to situations as such and it doesn't.

611
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 4: Go the right way like it's supposed to.

612
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,799
Speaker 3: Is that wasn't the first time, and it probably won't

613
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,720
be the last I had to say, And you know,

614
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:03,799
it's it's just you know, spill milk that I really

615
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,319
can't cry over. But I do definitely feel like I

616
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,319
was robbed, I think, I mean, watching the fight, I

617
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,759
thought I won without the knockdown being counted as well.

618
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: But you know, everything's subjective, right, That.

619
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: Is very true. But one of the things that really

620
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,279
irritated me about it and I don't have I didn't

621
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,119
have a dog in the fight. I was, you know,

622
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,759
looking forward to seeing you guys put on a highly competitive,

623
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:30,039
good interesting fight. But what irritated me was that they

624
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:33,880
put replay in place for the Commission to examine these instances.

625
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,839
That was obviously the perfect example to view the replay

626
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,799
of what occurred when he went down on the knee.

627
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:44,039
After the fact, the commission in New York recognized that

628
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,640
it wasn't knockdown, but said because of their technical issues

629
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,680
that they were having supposedly with the production truck. Yeah,

630
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,839
exactly that they people will some people will see the

631
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,799
video of this. Others will hear the video. You are

632
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,920
given the supposedly the quote market Yeah, so that they

633
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,839
recognize it. But because it wasn't able to be viewed

634
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,839
by the replay official within the time frame during the fight,

635
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,160
they couldn't suddenly post fight award you the extra point,

636
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,400
give you the win because they didn't know how the

637
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480
final three rounds would have played out, you know, if

638
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,920
everybody knew there had been a knockdown. What is your

639
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:19,559
thought about that aspect of it?

640
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,279
Speaker 3: My thought is just, you know, they definitely dropped the rock,

641
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:33,839
and I think, huh, it's I just I just think it's.

642
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: A little shady, that's all.

643
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,119
Speaker 2: That's a great word. That's a great word for it.

644
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just I definitely just think it's

645
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,839
a little shady. I think a lot of things come

646
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,440
in the factor when you have a superstar and such

647
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,960
who brings Uh, how do you say it value to

648
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:58,640
a lot of people involved with the event and maybe

649
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,440
the potential next event. So it's it's just it's just

650
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,880
a little shaky, that's all. That's how I feel.

651
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned about the next event. So it was

652
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,359
a good fight. Some controversy boxing never helped sell a rematch. Uh,

653
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,880
you know, he exercises right to a rematch, so we

654
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,079
all thought that would happen. First they talked, you know,

655
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:19,480
he said right away, you want to get right back

656
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,000
and during as quickly as possible. Obviously you did. Also,

657
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:24,119
they talked about doing it in June. Then it was

658
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,640
supposed to take place in August, and then a lot

659
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,519
of stuff went on. He ended up pulling out of

660
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,599
the fight to take what was going to be a

661
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,359
far more lucrative exhibition fight, not even a real fight

662
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,559
against Jake Paul. I guess somebody can allegedly nobody can

663
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:38,960
really argue if you're taking a huge payday, I suppose,

664
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,279
But how did you feel about basically getting strung along

665
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:46,279
post the first fight in February for him saying we'll

666
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:47,920
do it this way, you'll do it, then he'll take

667
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,000
you accept the rematch and then he bailed on you,

668
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:52,160
kind of left you high and dry.

669
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, he definitely did.

670
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,599
Speaker 3: That's dirty business and that's what contracts and stuff I'll

671
00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:58,480
put into play for.

672
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,279
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, if if I was a guy

673
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,200
who was super pressed.

674
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: For you know, money or anything like that, you know,

675
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,799
you can easily go to the arbitration.

676
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: That didn't take place.

677
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:14,839
Speaker 2: That you decided you didn't want to do that.

678
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

679
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: It's it's just coming to a point where you know

680
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,000
there's that's going to be strong along too. It's going

681
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,279
to be a lot of bs, and nobody wants to

682
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,599
go through more bs than he already. You know what

683
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:30,680
I'm saying that he already put me in or put

684
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,920
me through. We already knew that the fight was kind

685
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,000
of in limbo as we were in camp, so it

686
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,319
was just really pissing me off, honestly. But you know,

687
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,119
once we came to terms with they are pretty much

688
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,519
aren't going to fight, it was just like, all right,

689
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,359
where did we go from here? But we always been

690
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,559
working since to find the next to do so, so

691
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:52,640
we always knew that we.

692
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: Were going to fight this year. When you when you

693
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,720
heard he was taking the Jake Paul fight, and they

694
00:31:57,799 --> 00:31:59,599
went through their press tour, and then we all know

695
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,599
what happened about the lawsuit from a girl, an ex girlfriend,

696
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:07,400
that alleged yet another case of domestic violence committed by

697
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,599
Tank Davis. Obviously we'll go through the process with that.

698
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,519
But he ended up getting dropped from the fight, so

699
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,119
he doesn't get a what would have been still a

700
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,279
lucrative payday and a rematch against you. He now doesn't

701
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:23,480
get perhaps even more lucrative situation with Jake Paul and

702
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,359
isn't fighting at all. What is your thought about that?

703
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,200
It seems to me like karma maybe, I.

704
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,799
Speaker 4: Man, I don't have any thoughts.

705
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: Whatever happened, happened doesn't have anything to do me anymore.

706
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,559
Speaker 4: So, you know, I wish the best to anybody who

707
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,480
is involved in that.

708
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,559
Speaker 3: You know, that situation with MVP, with you know, the

709
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:47,279
other side, whatever the case may be, however they move on.

710
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: They better figure it out. But I don't have any

711
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:50,680
thoughts about it.

712
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: I don't have anything to focus on but Pitbull Cruise

713
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:55,039
December six.

714
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: Well down down the road, whatever happens, would you like

715
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200
to maybe see Tank again just to settle that score.

716
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:00,799
I doubt it.

717
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,279
Speaker 3: I'm just off the simple fact that he wouldn't, you know,

718
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,039
rematch me.

719
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,279
Speaker 4: It's like the proof is in.

720
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: The put in.

721
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,799
Speaker 4: If you look at everything at face value, it probably

722
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:12,039
doesn't happen.

723
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:14,559
Speaker 2: So now we get to Pitbull. So I have to

724
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,839
say I was a little surprised that Pitbull and this

725
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,480
team took this fight. Uh, you are not a big name.

726
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,559
You're certainly a bigger name than you were before you

727
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,400
fought Tank Davis. Uh and put on an excellent performance

728
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,759
in that fight. Were you surprised that they called your

729
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:31,599
name and decided then ask to fight you?

730
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:42,039
Speaker 5: Uh, surprise, No, because people kind of always been an option,

731
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,000
Like I'm pretty sure they were knowing of it.

732
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,119
Speaker 3: Like now surprise that they say, yes, Well, maybe a

733
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,960
little bit okay, but but you know, surprised that you know,

734
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,759
I'm saying that they that they were aware, and because

735
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,319
we were aware, we've been aware, so you know, he

736
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680
was always on the list of what can happen next.

737
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,519
Speaker 2: But they pick they picked you out, and I sort

738
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,440
of anyway, my take was view you as as the

739
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,360
favorite and him as the underdog. Your five foot seventies,

740
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,599
five foot four, he's always a smaller guy, But you

741
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:17,320
obviously are going to be much bigger than him. You're

742
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,239
obviously a very consummate boxer. You have excellent defense, You're fast.

743
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,119
Uh you've we talked about it before the Tank fight,

744
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,039
how good of a chin you have, and you certainly

745
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:29,960
showed that against a big puncher like Tank Davis. How

746
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:30,960
do you approach him then?

747
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,079
Speaker 1: Like?

748
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: What do you have to be warried from him? I

749
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,360
already know what he has to be warried from you.

750
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 3: You know what you have to be worried of, you know,

751
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,760
just his powerful punching, uh, wide looping shots. There's not

752
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,679
a list of things that you have to look for.

753
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,000
There's things that he does well and that he makes

754
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,440
work for him. But that's that's his plan A, B,

755
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,440
and C. So, uh, if the if the shots, if

756
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,239
the big loop and shots don't work for him, where's

757
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,800
he going to go?

758
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,159
Speaker 4: Like? What is he going to do? If the relentless

759
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,599
pressure doesn't work for him, what is he going to do?

760
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: So, you know, I have multiple avenues to win this fight,

761
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,360
and I'll explode them all night until you know, either

762
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,800
the bell rings or he falls.

763
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: Well, the way you just put it, I was what

764
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,760
I was sort of thinking like he has one way

765
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,199
to win, which is a good way, but that Lamont

766
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Roach had probably three or four ways to win for sure. Yeah, Okay,

767
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:31,039
one thing about this. You still are the WBA Junior

768
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:34,239
Lightweight World Champion. You defended that title once, but in

769
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,199
your next fight you moved up and took the challenge

770
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,840
to fight for the lightweight belt against Tank Davis. Now

771
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,519
in your next fight after that, you're moving up yet

772
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:43,079
again tow one hundred and forty pounds to take on

773
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:46,599
Pitbull Cruise for his interim belt. So I wonder does

774
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:48,239
this mean that you are done with one hundred and

775
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,559
thirty pounds or is it still in the back of

776
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:51,320
your mind that someday you might go back down and

777
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,199
defend it, or I don't know how much longer the

778
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,239
WBA would even allow you to hold it after all

779
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,239
this time without defending it.

780
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, It's in the back of my

781
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,599
mind for sure. It's just look at to be realistic,

782
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,239
look at.

783
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,039
Speaker 3: The platform that I'm on, look at the caliber fighter

784
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:12,559
that I'm taking on. If there's anything similar or bigger

785
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,000
than a pit bull fight at one for the super

786
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:22,239
lightweight interim championship. At one point thirty, then there's a conversation.

787
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: So it's not a matter if you can't make the

788
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,440
weight anymore. Some guys would say.

789
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, no no, no, no no no, I can make the

790
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,000
weight for sure.

791
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,119
Speaker 2: So you and Pitbull should be a good fight. I mean,

792
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:31,920
like I said, pretty good matchup. It seemed to me

793
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,480
you're in a great fight city like San Antonio. Yeah,

794
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,000
I'm sure you've worked it out where you're making like

795
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:37,960
a pretty good purse for this and you are fighting

796
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,679
for the interim belt. But I always think about it.

797
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,840
Don't fighters want to fight for real belts like the

798
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,519
main titles?

799
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,119
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, definitely, And I think me securing this

800
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,599
one would. I'm because I'm different.

801
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: I'm going to press the fact that I'm the Intern champ.

802
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,920
This puts me because even on the WBC ranking chart

803
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:04,119
there's champion, Intern Champion, then number one contender.

804
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,199
Speaker 4: If I'm over that number one contender, I'm.

805
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: Pressing Sabril Matias or the winner of Delton Smith and

806
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,760
Subria Mattias to fight the next fight literally.

807
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,039
Speaker 2: So that brings him to my I guess my last

808
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,400
question is that if you are going to stay a

809
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,800
one hundred and forty pounds if you beat pitt Bull

810
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,639
Cruise or even if you don't beat pit Bull Cruise whatever.

811
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,000
But that's a really good division right now, you'll be there.

812
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,920
Pitbull is there. Tthym Lopez is the lineal champion, he's

813
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,599
the WBO champion. He's probably fighting Shaquor Stevenson, who is

814
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,360
an excellent lightweight champion who's coming up in wait probably

815
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,440
for that fight. You got Richardson Hitchins, a very talented fighter.

816
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,079
You mentioned of course Sybril Mattias, who you'd be on

817
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:44,960
course for in the WBC. You know, your Washington brother

818
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:48,719
Gary Antowan Russell has one of the as the WBA belt.

819
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,159
How do you feel about the weather than Mattias, because

820
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,119
that's the one you would be probably steered towards based

821
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,719
on the organization. How do you kind of feel about

822
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,039
the wealth of talent there? And in particular, you know

823
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,280
you didn't get to do the rematter Tank who's your

824
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,639
d MV guy? You know all from DC, him from Baltimore.

825
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,360
Russell is like a big time all DC championship showdown.

826
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,079
Speaker 4: Man. I love that fight.

827
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,519
Speaker 3: I actually if people don't know, Okay, So the options

828
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:23,599
that were presented to me by PBC were people Gary

829
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:29,440
Russell Jr. Gabriel floor Is, and somebody else. I told

830
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,559
I told them no to.

831
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 4: Gabe. I told him no to Gary Russell Jr.

832
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,159
Speaker 3: Because what the hell has he done in the last

833
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:42,880
four years and why does he think he did? Why

834
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,000
would I gift him a title shot in his second

835
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,360
fight back in four.

836
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: Years and have been at one third and it.

837
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: Would have they said thirty five.

838
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: That's weird, but you know that wouldn't have been a

839
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,199
title shot.

840
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,159
Speaker 4: I guess it wouldn't have been a title shot exactly.

841
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: And he's like being disrespectful like woon wom It's not

842
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,639
gonna work like that. No, sorryoo, scooed over, and I

843
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:13,280
told him we obviously we said yes to people cruise,

844
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:17,920
but we countered and it's like, let us fight Gary

845
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,119
an Swine Russell. That was that was my first option

846
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,440
me personally, that was my first option. I was like

847
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,320
scratched those and and asked Gary Antwine Russell that he

848
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,320
want to fight yes or no?

849
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:35,599
Speaker 2: Straight up yes. The answer was no. And you guys

850
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,679
don't know each other from you know, being running in

851
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:41,800
the DC circles side soon. Yeah, so if you win,

852
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,199
maybe the unification you can will give him a reason

853
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:45,880
that maybe fight you.

854
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,679
Speaker 3: That's what I'm I mean, because he actually said that too,

855
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,239
and I am from a champion standpoint.

856
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: I understand he said that if fort at.

857
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: One thirty, I haven't done anything at one Okay, I

858
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,280
believe that.

859
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,119
Speaker 4: But after I make some noise here, I'm not trying

860
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:02,800
to hit it anymore.

861
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: Well, you'll you'll be on roughly the same schedule. You're

862
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,400
fighting Pitbull in December on the sixth of you when

863
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,480
you'll have that interim belt. You know, he will have

864
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,440
a fight. I assume they're going to reschedule him on

865
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,360
the Jake Paul event that was postponed he was supposed

866
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,119
to defend and his mandatory against Harioka. Maybe we'll see it,

867
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,159
but in the meantime, it's pit Bull Cruise December sixth,

868
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,840
PBC on Prime Video pay per View in San Antonio. Laman,

869
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,079
I thank you very much for your time and I

870
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,280
wish you good luck in this fight.

871
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: Thank you, my god. I appreciate it.

872
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: All right again, Lamont roach what might have been could

873
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,760
have been a rematch obviously with Javonte Davis didn't happen.

874
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,280
Now it's this fight here with Pittbull Cruise give me

875
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,599
a little more as we get ready to head to

876
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,239
fight week next week in Texas.

877
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: Look, Lamont, as you heard, was disappointed that Tank did

878
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,760
not accept the rematch. He accepted it and then dealed

879
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,159
on him, So he didn't show a lot of respect

880
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:57,679
for that. He was ticked off. But you know, Lamont's

881
00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,400
a pretty mature guy. He was realistic about it. You know,

882
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,119
I kind of like the fact that he said, if

883
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:03,840
I wanted to really, you know, make it a pain

884
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,239
in the neck, I could have sued him and you know,

885
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,519
we could have gone to arbitration. That was my right.

886
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:08,760
But you know what, if he doesn't want to find me,

887
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,159
what am I going to do? You know, I got

888
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:12,320
a good offer for this fight. I'm taking my opportunity

889
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,639
against Pitbull, and I'm moving on with my career. And look,

890
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,800
as I said to Lamont, all respect to the Pitbull

891
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,880
Cruise team, and I know them for years. I'm still

892
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,679
shocked that they took this fight because they've had their

893
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,880
pick of the litter. They could have chosen anybody to fight,

894
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:30,719
and for them to pick Lamont roach I thought was big,

895
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:33,880
you know, a big statement. I'm not sure why they

896
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,719
did that. Now, I know Lamont is still a champion.

897
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: And well, I would think one of the reasons is

898
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,960
you're going to make a lot more money to fight

899
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:40,719
Lamont Roach than maybe some of the other guys you

900
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,239
were looking at. I would think that's got to be

901
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:42,679
part of it.

902
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,199
Speaker 2: But I think that because of Pitbull as being the

903
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,239
A side and being the popular one and the one

904
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,480
that's got the bigger fan base and the one that's

905
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,639
going to be the one seOne the tickets probably in

906
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,920
San Antonio and drawing more of the pay per view

907
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,760
certainly than Lamont Roach, and the fact that they already

908
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,159
have a really good undercard that he really could have

909
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,000
gone in a lot of directions, so may the quality

910
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,079
main event, but they pick Roach. Now, Broach is a

911
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,760
champion at one thirty, he's probably you know, he said

912
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,599
he'll make go back down and fight for the right fight,

913
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:11,280
But I mean, his last fight was at thirty five

914
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,480
against Tank, and now he's going to be at one forty.

915
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:14,840
I think it'd be kind of hard to get back

916
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,519
to thirty if he really had to make that decision.

917
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,559
But the point I'm making is that even at one forty,

918
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,079
I just feel like that that it's a tough fight

919
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,360
for Pitbull because he just has far fewer ways to

920
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,239
win than Lamon Roach. But I have to say I'm

921
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,840
very interested in the main event, and I know you

922
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,360
you you know, and rightfully so ripping on the fact

923
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,239
that it's for the interim title. I totally get that,

924
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,920
But I would say that part of the allure for

925
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,639
Roach to take the fight was the fact that the

926
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,519
interim belt was at State because it can put him

927
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:44,960
in a better position for some bigger title fights. So

928
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,519
on the one hand, I'm totally with you, and anybody

929
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,159
that's ever listened to me talk or opine for my

930
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,400
entire career knows what I feel about interim belts. But

931
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,360
if there's a silver lining, it's that if you have

932
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:59,960
that carrot there and the fighter wants that that belt

933
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,519
because of what he could do for him, it helps

934
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:05,840
make certain fights without that interim belt. I don't believe

935
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,480
this match gets made so interesting for what you think.

936
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,679
And they got a heck of an undercard also Foster

937
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:12,199
against Steven Fulton.

938
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, you know, we could go on

939
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,519
for fifteen more minutes were not they create these things

940
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:18,400
the under a belt they can, right around with a

941
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,679
belt that's not the real belt.

942
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm just but it's an intriguing providing another and now

943
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:26,239
another colonel of thought.

944
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,679
Speaker 1: And I often do this with you. And now we're

945
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,760
doing next week's show because this is the lead up

946
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,519
to the fight that's next week. But you heard from

947
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:32,159
Lamont roach.

948
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,679
Speaker 2: On this show, we got Jenna Beck in a unification

949
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,679
against a Damas on that party. Got Jesus Ramos against

950
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,280
Shane Mosey Junior on that card. Another good fight. Yes,

951
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:41,719
I'm pumped up for that show.

952
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: All right. Two news items. Sadly, we have the death

953
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:50,039
of a former US Olympian and a former world title

954
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:54,679
challenger far too young to skin cancer. Vanis Marta Rojan

955
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,599
passed away. You covered his career, Uh, just follow up

956
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,079
on this. Very sad, very sad to find out about this.

957
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had known that Vonas was sick,

958
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:06,480
and I just didn't know how serious I was. Obviously,

959
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,960
it's not like we were keeping in touch or anything

960
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,519
like that, So I was I was surprised. I was

961
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:12,480
saddened by that. I mean, Vonas was a cool guy,

962
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:17,280
United States olympian at age eighteen, you know, had come

963
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,599
with his family. They were He was born in Armenia.

964
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,920
His family immigrated to the United States. He became a

965
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360
United States citizen. He represented the United States of America

966
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,239
in the Olympics. They lived in the in the very

967
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:33,440
Armenian rich neighborhoods in Glendale, California, where he had a

968
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,119
pretty good fan base. I remember, you know, years ago,

969
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:37,880
I was thinking about this. After I was I wrote

970
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,519
it obituary about his passing. We've talked about the cancellation

971
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,199
of the third fight between Jose Luis Castillo and Diego

972
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,159
Carrals that they canceled at the way in because Carrales

973
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,800
was once Castilla rather was once again like as you

974
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,400
like to say, four exits passed.

975
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: The highway right way overweight.

976
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: So they went through it the second fight even though

977
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,760
he's overweight, and Carrales wasn't going to get played the

978
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,679
third time, and you know, at the third fight, and

979
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,639
so they canceled the fight. He wouldn't take it, but

980
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,599
the cards still went on and they had Vic Darcinian,

981
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,960
who was also Armenian, defending. I believe it was a

982
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,639
flyway title the main event, and I still stayed. I

983
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:13,840
remember rearranging my flight to not stay till late the

984
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,360
next day. I went home on a red eye because

985
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,480
I wasn't gonna be writing heavy duty after the fight,

986
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:19,280
even though ID already been in Vegas for a few days.

987
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,159
But the thing I'm getting at here is that on

988
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,840
that undercard was a very young hones smart Erosian and

989
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,360
I still have in my mind sitting there now, Thomas

990
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,599
and Maxenter holds like, you know, twenty thousand people for

991
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,280
a boxing match, probably thereabouts, and it would have been

992
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:34,639
close to full for the rematch or for the third

993
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,760
fight between Corrals and Castillo. But when the fight got canceled,

994
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,360
pretty much everybody gave back their tickets and got their refunds,

995
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,880
but there still was like a diehard group about maybe,

996
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,280
like I don't know, three thousand people that turned up

997
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,880
for the show anyway just because they were there with

998
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,639
the hell, maybe they were there because they were rooting

999
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:51,719
for d'arcinian as Armenians. But the thing is because they

1000
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,679
brought out a big Armenian community. When Vonas went on

1001
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,639
in like a preliminary fight, there was a big time

1002
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,039
cheering crowd for this kid, who at the time a

1003
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,639
lot of people thought was a very elite prospect. He

1004
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,079
was a decorated amateur that he was really going places.

1005
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:06,800
He was very young and he was going to be eventually,

1006
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,920
you know, a junior middleweight world world champion. It didn't

1007
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,880
play out that way. He had, you know, he didn't

1008
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,320
get a lot of favors even though he had a

1009
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,000
you know, top rank had done a really good job

1010
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:16,360
moving him. They had him from the beginning of his

1011
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,960
pro career, you know, through most of his career. He

1012
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:20,920
was with PBC for a little while towards the end,

1013
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,440
at the very end, he was with Don King. But

1014
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,320
he got three shots at the title, and he came

1015
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,519
up short every time. Unfortunately for him. He lost to

1016
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,599
Demetrius Andrede in a in a very close fight. That

1017
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,320
was one of those deals where you know, it was

1018
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,039
one of those things where like you could maybe see

1019
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:38,920
away where he could have pulled it out, but it

1020
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:40,840
just was not I guess what was the word, maybe

1021
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,280
not meant to be. He ended up losing a split decision.

1022
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,760
This is in twenty thirteen. He actually dropped Demetrius Andrade

1023
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,039
in the first round. Demetrius had never you know, been

1024
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:50,719
known having a good gin. He had never really been

1025
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,199
I think that was the first time he was ever

1026
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,920
down and anyway, Dimetrius pulled out the close decision. He

1027
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,840
was undefeated at the time obviously, and that was his

1028
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,159
first time opportunity. But you're like, okay, he just went,

1029
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,000
you know, basically heads straight up with Demetris Andreid who's

1030
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,719
the United States Olympian World Amateur champion, and he lost

1031
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,480
his split decision. He put him on the floor. So okay,

1032
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,159
it's a setback, but he'll be back. And so he

1033
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,639
went about his business. He got a couple of wins,

1034
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,599
including he had what was at the time he considered

1035
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,199
a very big win against a contender named Willie Nelson.

1036
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,400
That was a very good victory form that put him

1037
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,960
into a non title fight before Jermeal Charlow had been

1038
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,039
a champion. They fought an a ten rounder and he

1039
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:29,199
took a unanimous decision loss. Again competitive, he lost like

1040
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,880
six four on two cards, seven to three on the third.

1041
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,199
But again he's competing with the very best out there.

1042
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,760
Charlo was twenty five and zero at that time. Obviously

1043
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,639
went on and won the undisputed title at won fifty four.

1044
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,119
So if you're gonna say there's such things as good

1045
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,880
losses and you're following Vas's career that those were good losses.

1046
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,960
After that, he then had a win against the former

1047
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,239
world champion E J. Smith, which at the time again

1048
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,039
considered a very good victory. Form that gave him a

1049
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:58,719
rematch with Arislandi Laara, and now Lara had beaten him previously,

1050
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:01,960
and they went and they went and they did the fight.

1051
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:04,920
This now was for the WBA Junior Middleway title. This

1052
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:09,039
is twenty sixteen, and again in a competitive fight, he

1053
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,679
lost a decision. So he lost the two title fights

1054
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:14,679
plus the guys I mentioned like Jamal Charlotte, but he

1055
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,639
also beat Willie Nelson.

1056
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,199
Speaker 1: So in summation, he fought a lot of important fights

1057
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,199
but never realized the potential. Could never get over the hump.

1058
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,599
Right now, the bottom line.

1059
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: Is, if you go back, before he fought the Andre fight,

1060
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:29,519
he had fought Aristonti Lara in a in a it

1061
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:31,800
was an elimination fight. It wasn't a title fight. They

1062
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,800
fought to a draw. It was a technical draw. So

1063
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,480
he had the draw against Laara on the record. And

1064
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,960
after he lost the rematch against Lara for the title,

1065
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,400
he was off for like two years. He was in

1066
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,280
a in a credit in a promotional dispute this and that,

1067
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,719
and if you remember, remember when when Canelo Alvarez tested

1068
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,639
positive for clem butterol a few weeks before he was

1069
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,320
supposed to fight Triple G in the Remait this is

1070
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,320
in late two thousand or in mid twenty eighteen. It

1071
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,119
was the Sinko Demile Holliday of two thousan eighteen. He

1072
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,599
tested positive and the fight was called off, but Triple

1073
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,039
G wanted to still still fight, and so what ended

1074
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,239
up happening was they moved the fight off pay per view,

1075
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,039
They moved the fight from Las Vegas, they booked the

1076
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,000
Tennis Stadium in Carson and you know, I guess still

1077
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,679
at the time it was called stub Up Center, and

1078
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,320
Vanas on short notice, agreed to fight Triple G as

1079
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,719
a middleweight and challenge Gonadi for the At the time,

1080
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,960
he was a unified middleweight champion. So he took the fight.

1081
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:29,679
I'm like, I know, like a week or two notice,

1082
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,320
whatever it was. And he and I was at this

1083
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,159
fight also, and he ended up gett absolutely the only

1084
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,119
time he ever got fucking destroyed was at middleweight on

1085
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,039
short notice by Gnadi, who was in his best you

1086
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,119
know who was at his best at that point and

1087
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:46,000
he never fought again after that. There was a lot

1088
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:49,280
of discussion he was gonna come back, and it never happened.

1089
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,840
And you know, sadly, on Sunday he passed away after

1090
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:54,960
you know, his two year or so battle with skin cancer.

1091
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,559
Leaves behind his wife who had been with for like

1092
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:59,880
twenty years. They had two kids, a son and a daughter.

1093
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,760
Just a very sad thing. I mean, he he leaves

1094
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,519
at a much too young age, yep, with a career

1095
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:10,800
that was had so many possibilities of being outstanding, and he's,

1096
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,280
like you said, he kind of couldn't get over the

1097
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,239
hump against some of the best guys. Came as close

1098
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,400
as you can get, the split decision against Andre, the

1099
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:20,400
draw against Laura in the first fight, and the other

1100
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,960
fights that were competitive even in losses, and then you know,

1101
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,440
the only one that wasn't was that wipe out against Glufkin.

1102
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:30,679
But again short notice, heavier weight, prime guy, hall of

1103
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,480
fame caliber fighter with triple G and H and a

1104
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:36,760
lot of issues, uh, you know, in terms of his management,

1105
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,960
promotion and this and that. So it was a it

1106
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:40,159
was a bummer to hear that. I mean, I can

1107
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:41,840
I remember meeting him as a young fighter.

1108
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,039
Speaker 4: You know.

1109
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: Again, he was on all these top ranked shows because

1110
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,079
he was with them as an Olympic signee, and so

1111
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,360
I covered a ton of those fights. I remember sitting

1112
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,559
in the Fight Hotel in New York with him and

1113
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,800
his dad and his uncle in the lobby, you know,

1114
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,559
just shooting the ship, getting to know these guys a bit.

1115
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:58,000
You know, fun guys like good sense of humor. Vanus

1116
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,800
had in you know, as a real very sad and

1117
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,199
here's our thing, by the way, you know, as an amateur,

1118
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:06,440
like to make the Olympic team again, he's eighteen years old.

1119
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,519
He beat Andre Berto, who went on to become a

1120
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,880
two time world champion in the word to him and

1121
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,800
when Berto lost, Berto ended up going to fight for

1122
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,880
his home country of Haiti once he was not able

1123
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,159
to represent the United States because his parents were from Haiti.

1124
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,199
He got the spot for the hait Olympic team, but

1125
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,159
the reason he didn't get the American spot was because

1126
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:24,679
of Vonna Smarterroji.

1127
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: Rest in peace. Very sad and I'm just gonna say

1128
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,239
again public service announcement for all of us. It's mostly

1129
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,199
maleit listen and get yourself checked. Get yourself checked for

1130
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,039
all kinds of things, because early detection is very important

1131
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:41,639
for any kind of cancers, et cetera. So there you go.

1132
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,639
All right, one other note and we're not going to

1133
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:45,679
go on for fifteen more minutes. But wait a minute.

1134
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:49,480
We have a drug test for the Suprio Mattias Dalton

1135
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,760
Smith fight, a VADA test that has come for an

1136
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,639
adverse finding. However, it's not gonna nullify the fight. So

1137
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,840
give me the quick details. This is a January fight upcoming,

1138
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,719
give me the latest.

1139
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,679
Speaker 2: So Sabril Mattias was scheduled to defend the WBC one

1140
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,119
hundred and forty pound title and a mandatory defense against

1141
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:13,320
Dalton Smith from England. If you remember after one of

1142
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,119
the shows in Saudi Arabia, they were faced on Saudi

1143
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,760
Arabia when they did the card at the Tennis Center

1144
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:20,199
in Queensland.

1145
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: Yes, when the night that back in July.

1146
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: That was when Shiraz knocked out Berlanga correct and of

1147
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,920
course Stevenson defeated Williams of Peta. One of the other

1148
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:34,000
fights on that card was when Mattias outpointed Alberto Pueo

1149
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,840
to win the WBC title and then in the ring afterwards,

1150
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,360
Dalton Smith, who was mandatory, was supposed to fight the winner,

1151
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,400
was faced off with him in the ring and Turkey

1152
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,400
al Sheikh said, we're going to do this fight. It

1153
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,760
was supposed to be on the card that just took

1154
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,239
place last week, the ring card that we just saw.

1155
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,199
But in the end it didn't happen because the promoter

1156
00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:54,400
for Sabril, Mattias and everybody involved they could not make

1157
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,159
a deal and the fight ended up going to a

1158
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,519
purse bid and Mattias's people, Want from Fresh Productions, won

1159
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:03,880
the purse bid against Eddie Hearn, who was the promoter

1160
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,119
for Dalton Smith. They had done a press conference a

1161
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,480
couple of weeks ago in New York to announce the fight.

1162
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:10,480
It's going to be January tenth at the Barclay Center

1163
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,000
on a pay per view basis, and so, okay, they're

1164
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,760
going along and they're doing their promotion and they're doing

1165
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,559
their training and everything like that. And then, as we've discussed,

1166
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,519
Mattias comes back with an adverse finding in a year

1167
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,760
in test from Vada, a positive drug test. He tested

1168
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,679
positive for the substance ostering, which is familiar to I

1169
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:26,519
think the boxing gangs.

1170
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,039
Speaker 1: I believe we've heard of that ostar rain.

1171
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: The same substance that Ryan Garcia tested positive for in

1172
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,480
relation to his what became a no contest against against

1173
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,920
Devin Haney. And there's been others that have tested positive

1174
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,480
for that substance as well. So you're saying to yourself, well,

1175
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:44,440
why would this fight not be canceled? Well, here's the reason. Now.

1176
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,119
People sometimes they don't understand the nuance of the way

1177
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:52,480
drug testing works. If you are testing with VADA, their

1178
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:56,440
job is one thing and VADA does not. And I

1179
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,960
don't agree with this because I think that the different

1180
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,840
agencies should have simil or same rules. The way VADA

1181
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,719
operates is they have a band list period. They don't

1182
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,599
do any do any between in competition or out of competition.

1183
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,440
If you test positive for a substance six months before

1184
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,920
a fight or six days or six hours whatever, it's

1185
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,880
a positive test, even though if it was a WADA test,

1186
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,679
you would probably be considered out of competition, not far

1187
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:24,599
in advance of the fight.

1188
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: So Mattias and let us distinguish, because not everybody speaks

1189
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:32,039
the same language we do. VATA is the Voluntary Anti

1190
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:36,360
Doping Association. The WBC uses them other entities may or

1191
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,760
may not. Worldwide in sports, WADA is the widely regarded

1192
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,079
world Anti doping association used by the Olympics, et cetera.

1193
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,199
So I'm just distinguishing WADA versus VADA as you go along,

1194
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:49,719
real quick.

1195
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: Go now, if you, if you, if you enroll in

1196
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,199
a VADA program.

1197
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: Which would be a VADA program.

1198
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: Yes, if you, if you enroll in a VADA with

1199
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,920
a v program, which is what Mattias did and and

1200
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:05,360
obviously also what his opponent, Dalton Spit had done. When

1201
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,239
that when the samples of blood and or urine are collected,

1202
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,599
they are tested at a WADA with a W A

1203
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,039
credited laboratory in Utah. Generally, gotcha. They do have relations

1204
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:20,239
in that sense, but their actual rules are slightly different.

1205
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:24,639
WADA with a W distinguishes between in and out of competition,

1206
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,000
So he comes back with a Again, they don't delineate

1207
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,440
how much or body, so they sim and I have

1208
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:35,679
the paperwork on this. I've seen the letter. It's the

1209
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,079
same as every other letter I have seen. I've written

1210
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,440
a thousand of these stories before, on a variety of

1211
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,320
different positive drug tests. It doesn't tell you that it

1212
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,559
was this month or that much. It tells you he

1213
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,440
was in a urine sample. It was on such and

1214
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:50,159
such a date and such as such a location, and

1215
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,599
it came back adverse finding and at lists the substance ostering. Now,

1216
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,119
as I come to find out, because I was wondering

1217
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,079
what's going on and this was literally just random, I

1218
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,199
was thinking, what's going on with this test? Because I

1219
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,559
hadn't heard anything, So I reached out to Mattrum, who

1220
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,199
are the promoters for Dalton Smith? And I was told

1221
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,880
by somebody high up at Mattrum that they're still waiting

1222
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,119
to hear from the Commission, and they're still waiting to

1223
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:15,039
hear from the WBC. And the reason why both of

1224
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:17,079
them are important is because, and I've said this before,

1225
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,599
the WBC is controlling of the title. They're the ones

1226
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:22,880
that can make him be stripped or let him keep

1227
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,280
the title. And it's the Commission that is response for

1228
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,440
a license come to fight. So if they don't allow

1229
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:30,159
the fight, he still may keep the title, or he

1230
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,239
still may keep the title, and then the commission may

1231
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,400
not let him fight, or you know, they both let

1232
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,440
him keep the title and let him fight. But each

1233
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,679
one of those entities controls a different aspect of the fight.

1234
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,239
The most significant one at the moment was is the

1235
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,360
fucking fight gonna happen? Meeting his New York going to

1236
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,679
regulate the fight, and they're going to approve him to license.

1237
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,320
And so I talked to my friends at the New

1238
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,199
York that Athletic Commission, and I asked them for an update,

1239
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,360
and I was surprised when they send me a very

1240
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,599
detailed update, and as it turned out, they they gave.

1241
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:58,159
Speaker 1: Me the level.

1242
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:00,119
Speaker 2: So if you look up in the New York State

1243
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:04,559
Athletic Commission rules the substance osteen, if you test positive

1244
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,320
for that, you are allowed to have a small amount

1245
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,360
in your system in New York, in California, in Nevada,

1246
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,880
those are the three big boxing states, and I'm sure

1247
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,400
there are others also. You can have up to zero

1248
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:22,679
point one nanograms per milli liter. I mean, whatever it's

1249
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:24,239
You might as well say widgets. But the point is

1250
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,199
you can have x amount in your system. The amount

1251
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:30,920
that serbral Mattias tested positive for that produced the adverse

1252
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,039
finding was below the threshold. So as far as New

1253
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:37,079
York State is concerned, has same been the case that

1254
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,800
the fight was taking place in Nevada or California. If

1255
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,199
he's under point one for them, it's not flagged as

1256
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,639
a positive test, but Vada flags everything.

1257
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:52,199
Speaker 1: So two important points. When Ryan Garcia tested positive, it

1258
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,280
was way beyond that.

1259
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm getting to go, So we're gonna.

1260
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: Get to that. And the second thing here on this

1261
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:01,440
is these drug to interview drug testing people, you have

1262
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:04,320
to I've listened to them talk. I've listened to these

1263
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,119
suspensions before. And we're going to get out of here

1264
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:07,480
in a minute orwo because we've been here for a while.

1265
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,599
But they will tell you that sometimes things are normally

1266
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:13,360
made by the body, or sometimes there's a normal, low

1267
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,559
acceptable level where you can have an explanation of what

1268
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:20,280
it is. It's when there's a high enough level beyond

1269
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,920
a threshold, they know you're abusing something. What you're saying

1270
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:27,239
is the New York Commission is saying, this is such

1271
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,679
a low level, it can it can potentially be dismissed

1272
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,480
as wasn't knowingly trying to cheat. Probaly, a little bit

1273
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:36,280
of something in your system go ahead.

1274
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,239
Speaker 2: Probably was contamination, but not necessarily.

1275
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,639
Speaker 1: On a very low level helps them come.

1276
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:49,199
Speaker 2: Wasn't contamination, it's below the threshold. Yeah, and also it's

1277
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,000
out of competition because the fight wouldn't be till January. Right.

1278
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,639
But again, VADA does not distinguish between in and out

1279
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:58,119
of competition. I wish that VADA would either start distinguishing

1280
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:00,119
between in and out of companies. I got you a

1281
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:02,039
lot of would do away with it and out in

1282
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,800
other words, and have them both agree on what it is.

1283
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,719
But so here to put it in context because I

1284
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,000
hear and I've seen people on social media after I

1285
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,039
wrote my article about it talking about, well, you know,

1286
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:12,760
he's a drug cheat, he had it in the system. Whatever.

1287
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:15,360
And I'm very hard on these things. I always think

1288
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,599
that people are doing stuff the cheap, But I've been

1289
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,760
covering this shit long enough to understand that there hard

1290
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,400
things about can be nuanced. So let's put this in perspective.

1291
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,199
This is the punchline. Point point zero point one nanograms

1292
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:32,000
per milli leader are what is allowable under New York code,

1293
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,679
and Surbill Mattias was below the threshold. By comparison, when

1294
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,840
Ryan Garcia was flagged for the adverse finding twice on Austrien,

1295
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:48,719
his levels were sixty times allowable stix zero, stix zero

1296
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:51,480
and Matisa is below the threshold.

1297
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: Which again indicates you were abusing that substance.

1298
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:57,159
Speaker 2: Obviously, and there you go.

1299
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: All right, so probe is as it stands right now,

1300
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,639
the fight can still move forward.

1301
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,599
Speaker 2: We think in January, my impression from speaking to the Commission,

1302
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,840
having previously having these discussions with Mauricio Suliman from the

1303
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,599
WBC before we even knew about this particular situation is

1304
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:18,360
that most likely is and they didn't just end their

1305
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,760
testing program even though the positive test came back. According

1306
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,840
to the Commission, Dalton Smith and Mattias are still being

1307
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,840
tested regularly. They have all the tests that they took

1308
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,519
prior to the positive test that Mattias produced were all negative.

1309
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:35,880
They've had multiple tests since that positive test that have

1310
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,559
come back negative, and in speaking with the Commission, if

1311
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,000
they continue, and I'm not Dalton Smith has been cleaned.

1312
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,239
So you know, obviously if he tests positive, that's a problem,

1313
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,159
but in particular Mattias, if he tests negative throughout the

1314
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:50,079
rest of the way, most likely, again it's not been

1315
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,280
one hundred percent signed off of the fight will be

1316
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,760
allowed to happen. And knowing the WBC and what I

1317
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,039
think are actually somewhat looser rules than there should be,

1318
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:00,840
but that's a different conversation for a different day. I'm

1319
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,440
sure they're going to approve the fight as long as

1320
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,800
the Commission licenses the fight, and so again January tenth,

1321
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,000
we're probably going to see this happening. All right, that'll

1322
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:08,239
be that.

1323
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,119
Speaker 1: So for now, excellent explanation. For now, they are allowing

1324
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:19,000
it to go forward for that WBC title fight in January.

1325
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,800
All right, my friend, we've done well with Thanksgiving. Nice

1326
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,159
work there to get Lamont roach on the pod and

1327
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,000
we'll watch what happens with these fights this weekend. We

1328
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:32,000
will come back one more time in November off the

1329
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:35,840
weekend and recap Ben Whittaker's main event in England as

1330
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,280
well as Fraser Clark's main event of the debut of

1331
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,920
Manny Pacquiao Junior on the card in Temecula, California on

1332
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,800
Saturday night. Other than that, don't go crazy trying to

1333
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,199
go get a Black Friday deal, like in the middle

1334
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:49,800
of the night or early Friday. And want to tell you,

1335
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,480
at least the pod, you're not going to do that, right, I.

1336
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:54,679
Speaker 2: Am going to sleep in on Friday, and for reasons

1337
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:57,079
that I still don't understand, my wife has been convinced

1338
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:00,280
by my twelve year old son to go to whatever

1339
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,199
store they want to go through for some Black Friday morning.

1340
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,079
Speaker 1: This is related to a video game, I bet or

1341
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,239
some cont I think it was or something.

1342
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 2: No, I actually think it was related to some clothing.

1343
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: Actually, clothing good for young Rayphael. The twins are looking

1344
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,239
at some clothing deals. I'm with you, I'm not out

1345
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,000
in the middle of the night. Of course, they also

1346
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,519
have Cyber Monday deals coming this weekend where you can

1347
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:21,440
just online shop and they'll discount it that way too.

1348
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, I'm gonna watch.

1349
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: I will say this. Can I just digress for one second.

1350
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,239
We still have the TV in my living room that

1351
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,360
is I'm proud to say this is a sixty inch

1352
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,159
flat screen sharp television. That's the brand I plug away.

1353
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:43,320
It was fourteen years ago on Black Friday that my father,

1354
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,199
unbeknownst to me, and wanted to surprise me, my wife,

1355
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,079
and the twins with a discounted TV because he had

1356
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,719
gone into and Sears doesn't even exist anymore, you know,

1357
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,320
I'm talking about Sears department store. He had gone into

1358
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,039
Sears for Black Shop.

1359
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:00,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm from the nineteen eighties, like you and.

1360
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:02,239
Speaker 1: I both speak the language Sears, but a lot of

1361
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:04,360
the peeps may not. The savages. Sears was a big

1362
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,079
deal like jcpenny department store, go to the mall. None

1363
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,599
of that really exists anymore. But in any event, he

1364
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:11,719
had gone to Sears to buy a couple of other

1365
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,360
Black Friday items, and all of a sudden, when he

1366
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,840
came upstairs when the doors opened, they said these Sharp

1367
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,840
TVs were on sale for like seventy five percent off

1368
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:28,599
that morning, so the price was literally like six hundred

1369
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:32,199
dollars instead of two thousand something. And he's like, I'm

1370
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:33,920
getting my son, my daughter in law, and the twins

1371
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,320
a new TV. I am here to testify that my

1372
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:40,400
father was in my driveway at six point thirty in

1373
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,679
the morning, calling me, going, hey, are you awake yet?

1374
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:46,599
And I'm going, no, I'm not awake yet. What are

1375
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:49,000
you doing. He's like, I'm in your driveway and I

1376
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:52,039
have a Christmas surprise for you this morning. And I'm like,

1377
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,880
you're literally in the driveway. I'm in as we like

1378
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,320
to talk about my pj's, my skivvies. I'm like, I

1379
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,400
gotta put clothes on. I got to come find you,

1380
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:01,920
and we got to haul the TV out of the

1381
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,880
back of the car because he has bought a TV

1382
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:06,000
in the middle of the night at like four am

1383
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,199
and waited until like six thirty to come over. And

1384
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,119
we still have that TV. So shout out to Sharp.

1385
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,679
Fourteen years later, their TV still works. This was a

1386
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,639
Black Friday deal from Papa Reeves.

1387
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Do you know that the big well, I mean we

1388
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,480
have multiple big TVs, but the big TV I have

1389
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:26,400
in my living room right family room is also a

1390
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:30,440
Sharp TV that's probably also about similar twelve years old.

1391
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,599
Speaker 1: So they made great products at one time. I keep

1392
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:35,679
waiting for this thing to blow up because, by the way,

1393
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,559
the flat screen TV market has really plummeted in price

1394
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,840
easier to replace. But this was literally like a twenty

1395
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,199
two hundred dollars TV that he got for six hundred

1396
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:47,039
bucks because he was there with all the savages at

1397
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,400
four o'clock in the morning on Black Friday, and his

1398
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:52,559
son did not inherit that genetic trait. I will not

1399
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:54,800
be doing that. Hell, I'll not be happy and either

1400
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:55,199
we'll read.

1401
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:56,679
Speaker 2: Now what I'm gonna do on Friday because it's you know,

1402
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,880
it's kind of a what's really working. My wife and son,

1403
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,639
they're going to go run around at the at the

1404
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,880
at the stores in the morning. I have received my

1405
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,800
brand new Kiss a Live fiftieth anniversary box set, and

1406
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,400
I'm gonna continue to enjoy and listening.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna listen. Is it is it a video or

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just the audio? Just the audio on the box set

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of the video too.

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Speaker 2: You know it's it's uh, there's a couple of videos

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on one of the discs, but it's probably it's like

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ninety nine percent it's audio. But it's also got like

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a big hardcover book.

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Speaker 1: And the party every day. Uh, you and kiss have

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a good Friday. I've got a bunch going on this

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weekend with football, including my Buccaneers. Shout out again to

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the guys from the Arizona Cardinals podcast that are fans

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of this podcast as well that are fight fans. We

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appreciate all of you. We're thankful for all of you

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that are listening. Big Dan and me as we're gonna

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close out the year strong. We still got some compelling

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action going the rest of this month, next month, et cetera.

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Big Dan, have a good rest of the weekend. We'll

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talk coming off the weekend in the recap mode and

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get ready for the fight week with Pitbull and Roach

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and that whole PBC on PIME pay per view card.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, You've got dj I Am merely TJ Reeves.

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Speaker 1: Follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, spread the words, spread the love.

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Speaker 2: We do this.

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Speaker 1: We do this and we're dedicated. Help us out, rate us, review, us,

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et cetera. You've been listening to the Big Fight Weekend

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