Speaker 1: Well, well, well, welcome back to Talking Schmidt. Besties. It's
Speaker 1: your mother. I have missed you. I hope you guys
Speaker 1: had a wonderful weekend. I am just getting back from
Speaker 1: the road and we have the most a fabulous guest
Speaker 1: for you today. Her name is Taylor Lenore. She is
Speaker 1: who I call Diamond Mommy. She is a jeweler and
Speaker 1: a friend, and she's just really wonderful and we had
Speaker 1: a great conversation. So I hope you guys enjoy it
Speaker 1: as much as I did. Oh my god, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy to have you here. Welcome to talking Smit Babe.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk Schmidt, Talk Schmitt Babe. We
Speaker 1: got so lucky that we both come to New York
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 2: I know, it's really good karma. It's from looking like
Speaker 2: all the homeless people in the eyes. Yeah, sometimes giving
Speaker 2: away your lunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then's two friends moved together at the
Speaker 1: same time.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Had you been planning to move to New York for
Speaker 1: a while?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had certainly been thinking about it every five
Speaker 2: minutes for five years. I was in New York for
Speaker 2: seven years. Moved to San Francisco, and that's where I
Speaker 2: was in tech and dreamt of coming back to New
Speaker 2: York from from like the very beginning of that job. Actually,
Speaker 2: I was going to come to New York and do
Speaker 2: it here at Google. Maybe you've heard of it, super small,
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think they're.
Speaker 1: Still in the garage actually, but yeah, I did two
Speaker 1: cart wheels away from here.
Speaker 2: Yeah I know, yeah, yeah, I know. It's like in
Speaker 2: the space. The offices here are like really beautiful. I
Speaker 2: mean they're all beautiful. Yeah yeah, but yeah, I've always
Speaker 2: felt like New Yorker because I walk fast, I talk fast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't take a lot to like scare someone in
Speaker 2: San Francisco, I learned, Yeah, you just have to be yourself.
Speaker 1: And they're terrified.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I was like I wanted to
Speaker 2: come back here. This felt like home because I didn't
Speaker 2: have to like police my own personality so much.
Speaker 1: Right, that makes sense. If that's in the way, you
Speaker 1: can throw it out. I always get rid of mine
Speaker 1: the pillows just for looks, and we don't need looks.
Speaker 2: Babe, we we've got enough of Actually, don't want to
Speaker 2: take some of these looks off heart.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So when you were in New York the
Speaker 1: first time, were you working in tech or were you
Speaker 1: working in jules?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was in diamonds for about seven years,
Speaker 2: six or seven years in New York before Okay, And
Speaker 2: I always joked I fell into a pile of diamonds
Speaker 2: because like every single thing that's happened to me career
Speaker 2: wise has been like a total accident, just mostly by
Speaker 2: saying yes to everything. Yeah, I was an archaeologist and
Speaker 2: worked for the government. I mean college, is that okay,
Speaker 2: please to start the government job or job? Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was like it just like followed like an interest, Like
Speaker 2: I took a class. I had a really good teacher.
Speaker 2: I feel like there are a lot of stories of
Speaker 2: like I just had this one teacher and followed him
Speaker 2: like into I just followed him into the world. And
Speaker 2: so he was an archaeologist and so I took his
Speaker 2: class honors, was really really into it, and he actually
Speaker 2: got me hired by Manpower and I got to do
Speaker 2: survey work in blythe which is like inland like over
Speaker 2: near La. Yeah, feels like just as country as Kentucky
Speaker 2: where I'm from. So I can say that. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I got heat stroke, fell in a transul again, there
Speaker 2: were killer bees and I was like, maybe not so
Speaker 2: much long.
Speaker 1: Jevity, maybe I should you came.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like and so I did, like, so that's
Speaker 2: my k Now, I can't come with that unless I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I need to fall a trenchlagain, or
Speaker 2: I'm going home, call me an uber, I want the
Speaker 2: Killer Bees. But yeah, so I did like the cliche
Speaker 2: thing after that, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to New York. I'd never been. I
Speaker 2: was at a time in my life where I had
Speaker 2: no money, and so I was like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: move there. It's like literally cheaper than visiting to see
Speaker 2: what it's like. So I just moved here. So I
Speaker 2: guess to everything. Like was a personal assistant. I was
Speaker 2: waiting tables. I was like a nanny to a baby
Speaker 2: with who had a car. He had his own car.
Speaker 2: He was like less. He was a driver, yes, yes, no,
Speaker 2: he actually drove. He drove me around. I just sat
Speaker 2: in the back seat the baby drove. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like I just did everything because I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: under the impression that like someone's gonna walk into my
Speaker 2: life and change it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's like the point of New York right, the magic
Speaker 2: of New York. Yeah, and then I changed my own life.
Speaker 2: I was tagged in Instagram posts to assist a jewelry
Speaker 2: designer and engagement designer. Name is Kaitlyn Motion mociu n.
Speaker 2: I'm still a massive fan of hers in her business,
Speaker 2: she makes really cool asymmetrical kind of like less traditional
Speaker 2: engagement rings with antique diamonds and really beautiful colored stones.
Speaker 2: And there were like three hundred comments on the post.
Speaker 2: My friend Hannah tagged me, Hey, Hannah, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting this job, Like everyone wants this job,
Speaker 2: and so I applied and I got the job. And
Speaker 2: I saw that she was designing engagement rings, sitting down
Speaker 2: with people, meeting them at the most beautiful point of
Speaker 2: their lives that they're so happy, they're you know, they're
Speaker 2: in love. It's such a fun corner customer service because
Speaker 2: like everyone's really excited to work with you, and it's
Speaker 2: so like that energy is like infectious, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, you get to work in a luxury industry,
Speaker 2: which is always really fun, and you look to you
Speaker 2: as an expert. They really looked to you for guidance,
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is kind of an intersection
Speaker 2: of science and art that I was really looking for
Speaker 2: and didn't know if it existed. I got to use, like,
Speaker 2: you know, my love of rocks and I love of
Speaker 2: air conditioning. Yeah, found I found it. I found the
Speaker 2: combination of both. And she let me try my hand
Speaker 2: at running her custom design department. And I was often running,
Speaker 2: I mean, designing engagement rings, meeting with couples. I was
Speaker 2: like this is I'm like so happy. Yeah. And I
Speaker 2: went from there to a couple other companies. I was
Speaker 2: at a company called Ring Concierge. I was very Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like a plane number four there. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 2: shout out to Ring Concierge, like I don't have. I
Speaker 2: could go on and on about like how wonderful my
Speaker 2: experience was there and how great that company is. Nicole
Speaker 2: is like an incredible businesswoman. So getting to like watch
Speaker 2: her work and like be, you know, be at that
Speaker 2: part of my career and be close to her just
Speaker 2: felt really inspiring. Yeah. But then the pandemic hit right right,
Speaker 2: Remember that, you.
Speaker 1: Guys, Remember remember sometimes I walk around This can't be
Speaker 1: the life I protected with a mask in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have been mask off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have been mask off, because we're right,
Speaker 1: two chains, what's the song mask of? No, it's not
Speaker 1: two chains? Who is that?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, shout out the future.
Speaker 1: He's so hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was my problem.
Speaker 2: I know we can arrange on them. Okay. So I
Speaker 2: the pandemic hit. It was just a really crazy time
Speaker 2: to be in New York. There were works in the streets.
Speaker 2: Everyone was freaking out. It's like the reason that you're
Speaker 2: here is gone. You're staying inside. Yeah, just like it
Speaker 2: was really intense. And I was looking around all my
Speaker 2: friends who were in tech and they were kind of
Speaker 2: like just picking where they want to work from in
Speaker 2: the world and staying put but in a beautiful place.
Speaker 2: And they had equity and all this like freedom. And
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I am technically in sales.
Speaker 2: What if I like lift and shift and try to
Speaker 2: get into tech and just like see if that will
Speaker 2: yield like a better lifestyle. So I shot for the
Speaker 2: you know, the stars, and landed at Google. I am
Speaker 2: like the I studied so hard for those interviews. I
Speaker 2: disappeared for six months. I moved to San Francisco when
Speaker 2: I started interviewing because I knew I had to just
Speaker 2: kind of be where the tech was. I want to be.
Speaker 2: I want to tech, and I went there and it worked.
Speaker 2: Like I just I just kind of like immersed myself
Speaker 2: in all things San Francisco. I bought a Tesla so
Speaker 2: I could like super fit in. Yeah. I was reckless.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like taking my like sweatshirt off on the
Speaker 2: one oh one to open my Amazon packages. I had
Speaker 2: self driving, just like, don't at me. I didn't do
Speaker 2: it many times I stopped, but like I just like
Speaker 2: really went fall in. And about like three months into
Speaker 2: starting at Google, I was like wait, wait, wait, where
Speaker 2: are the diamonds? And then I realized, like, okay, I've
Speaker 2: really made a huge pivot in my career. Like I
Speaker 2: am no, like there's no jewelry anywhere. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, fuck it. It's throwing away like all
Speaker 2: this expertise that I had been accumulating over like you know,
Speaker 2: like like over half a decade seems foolish. Why don't
Speaker 2: I just start a company for fun, just her funzies
Speaker 2: to kind of like scratch this itch. I'll do it
Speaker 2: on the weekend. And it blew up I had a
Speaker 2: lot of clients who followed me from like motion to
Speaker 2: you know, like ring concierge and like kind of this.
Speaker 2: We're always like seeing what I was up to, and
Speaker 2: everyone had the same feedback. They were like, finally it
Speaker 2: felt so it was like very validating, and so finally
Speaker 2: I left j lonor Fine Jewelry is my business. Left
Speaker 2: j eclipsed my role at Google, and I quit at
Speaker 2: the beginning of this year. Scarious thing I've ever done.
Speaker 2: And now I'm all in on LFJ. I quit in
Speaker 2: January and I was in New York in February, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it. Yeah, yeah, Like I actually
Speaker 2: came to New York to see my friends had like
Speaker 2: reopened their bar in a different location in Williamsburg Dollies,
Speaker 2: and I came to support them and left with the lease.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's how you do it. That's just
Speaker 1: that's how you do it New York. I came for
Speaker 1: a show and I left with the lease. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a thing.
Speaker 2: It's like you just can't imagine. It's like, no, this
Speaker 2: is I want to come home here. So I just
Speaker 2: like made it happen really quickly. I'm like pretty used
Speaker 2: to moving around the country. I know how to like
Speaker 2: gamify it. Throw everything in a box and I hope
Speaker 2: it doesn't break. You know.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like New York is home?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have, like you know, I feel
Speaker 2: we have similar energy. Yeah, like we're like, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: happy to be here. I have to walk around. I
Speaker 2: don't get fomo here because there's always something going on.
Speaker 2: People always like, how do you live in New York?
Speaker 2: It's like so crazy, But that actually keeps me home sometimes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, if I want to go out and have
Speaker 2: like a movie night, I can go outside, but that's
Speaker 2: like every night. You can kind of have that here,
Speaker 2: and so I have no problem staying home, like you know,
Speaker 2: locking in Yeah, and then I have no problem not
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So we have to talk about your meet
Speaker 1: cute that happened in New York. It happened pretty quickly
Speaker 1: after you moved here.
Speaker 2: It did that, It did I I actually like still
Speaker 2: can't believe that it happened the way that it did
Speaker 2: because it's like really fun.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just tell the story. Yes, Okay, So I
Speaker 2: was I was at a bar in Williamsburg drinking. My
Speaker 2: friend was bartending and I just want to go sit
Speaker 2: with her and kind of like hang. And I had
Speaker 2: just gone through like a weird situationship that like was
Speaker 2: just like only bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was a DJ, so it's like, come
Speaker 1: on girl, I know, come on girl, I know how
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 2: I had just made a shirt that said no more DJ. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then like ended up like seeing a DJ.
Speaker 1: But at this big age, we know how it ends
Speaker 1: with the DJ.
Speaker 2: Seriously, I had clown makeup on. Like all my friends
Speaker 2: were like waiting out sidelines, like when are you done? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I've done more.
Speaker 1: I know what it was like. You were like sin
Speaker 1: on your story.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh girl, keep myself out of the window.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so like I I finally dedit it. It
Speaker 2: was just like a lot of anxiety and yeah, I
Speaker 2: was not good.
Speaker 1: You said something, sorry, I had to cut you off.
Speaker 1: You said something before the podcast that I want to
Speaker 1: talk about too. You said, like, when those situationships ended,
Speaker 1: how much like anxiety and bad feelings you had to
Speaker 1: like overcome, Yeah, start feeling better again.
Speaker 2: Dating the wrong person is a time suck. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: like now that I'm like, you know, like running my
Speaker 2: own company. It's like it robs me in ways that
Speaker 2: I'm like waiting more personally, you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 2: like when I don't want to work very hard, it's
Speaker 2: not like I'm working like just like down, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like it's like my own money.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I started to feel kind of like the
Speaker 2: detriment of like not picking the right person and like
Speaker 2: really vetting people more. Because mind you, this is like
Speaker 2: just a few months after like I'd started this journey.
Speaker 1: Like, for example, if they say I'm a DJ, you
Speaker 1: said you could time to turn around, good luck with
Speaker 1: your life, remix this skirt skirt out of here twos and.
Speaker 2: Threes, and I'm out, so like, yeah, that's never making
Speaker 2: that mistake again. Yeah, but yeah, I I it just
Speaker 2: took like a lot of times in a bad mood,
Speaker 2: like I was kind of incendiary. I was annoyed. I
Speaker 2: was like I'm not going to date anymore. I was
Speaker 2: starting to like I was like I'm just off it
Speaker 2: and I don't like to be off work. And I
Speaker 2: work literally with people who are in love, like they
Speaker 2: are so inspiring. My clients have no idea like how Hi.
Speaker 2: They set the bar for me, like watching these men
Speaker 2: bend over backwards with the proposal, like the ring, and
Speaker 2: like I want to surprise with wedding jewelry. And it's
Speaker 2: like and then I look at the guy I'm dating
Speaker 2: and I'm like, he would never do that for me,
Speaker 2: and so like I am just surround my love. And
Speaker 2: so I feel like when things go wrong, it's like
Speaker 2: I go to work and I'm just like reminded of
Speaker 2: what I want. Like so in my face, it's very
Speaker 2: interesting in that way. But yeah, I was at this bar.
Speaker 2: I was talking to my brother on the phone, drinking
Speaker 2: some beers. My my best friends is bartending. I seldomly
Speaker 2: do that. I feel like if I'm not sitting with
Speaker 2: someone drinking, like I don't want to do it. But
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm gonna have some time
Speaker 2: to myself on some me time, recalibrate. And I had
Speaker 2: two hot dogs, so you know I was feeling good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two hot dogs in a pea funk.
Speaker 2: Baby, she is real hot girl ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually live in a den of Tarantula's emotionally,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was at the Tree of Killer Bees like like
Speaker 2: like just in every way at that moment. But I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna go home, like my
Speaker 2: night is done. I've had a great time, I'm enjoying
Speaker 2: my own company. I'm out. So I leave the hot
Speaker 2: dog over my head as one does, make sure everyone
Speaker 2: sees the hot dog, very important part of my outfit.
Speaker 1: What we want, Yeah, this is what I want.
Speaker 2: I would leave me the DJ. And so I'm like
Speaker 2: walking and I'm listening to music and I like feel
Speaker 2: like dancing. I'm feeling really good, and I realized, like
Speaker 2: I have free will and I could just dance if
Speaker 2: I wanted. So I started to dance a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then I was like I can't stop. I can't
Speaker 2: stop dancing. And so I'm like dancing through the streets.
Speaker 2: I'm going from Williamsburg to green Point. I'm like dancing
Speaker 2: through the streets. I'm trying to take like the like lesser,
Speaker 2: like the less busy streets, cause I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: like really like cause a scene.
Speaker 1: But I needed to clear I'm not trying to go
Speaker 1: full New York no, like pull your pants down, that's
Speaker 1: kind of out. Can you imagine just like mooning I
Speaker 1: have I'm gonna show everyone that's listening this video too.
Speaker 1: But I have a video of a guy with a
Speaker 1: Satan outfit on and his ash cheeks out, just dancing
Speaker 1: in the streets of New York. I had two stides
Speaker 1: in my eyes when I walked past him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't have the bandwidth for this right now,
Speaker 1: but good for it. But the fact that he came
Speaker 1: with a boom box and he was just ready to
Speaker 1: show the world his butt on a Monday morning, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, you know what, convidence is so inspiring.
Speaker 1: It's we can all be doing more. How did the god?
Speaker 1: Well whatever, I'll find it later, Like, how's it so
Speaker 1: hard to find?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Was such an important.
Speaker 2: Can you just search the best day of my life?
Speaker 1: Best day ever? Question mark? Did I delete it?
Speaker 2: No? All right, I couldn't have deleted that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have deleted it. No, okay, anyway, sorry, keep
Speaker 1: going with your story.
Speaker 2: So I'm dancing at this point. I'm like dancing, like pretty,
Speaker 2: I'm full on dancing. Yeah. I unlock a level of
Speaker 2: the video game where a man ran up to me,
Speaker 2: put a cigarette in my mouth, lit it, and ran away.
Speaker 2: I was like, this rules. I'm obviously in the right
Speaker 2: place like this, the universe is like, you're doing great, sweetie,
Speaker 2: because of this man who arrived gave me a cigarette
Speaker 2: and I was just dancing. I'm dancing smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 2: And I get over to like near my house and
Speaker 2: I look up and there's like a guy. I've over
Speaker 2: the ear head phones on, so like I super can't hear.
Speaker 2: There's a guy. And he stopped and looking at me,
Speaker 2: and like I see his mouth moving, and so I
Speaker 2: moved my earphones and he's like what are you listening to?
Speaker 2: And I was like, is he like hot? Looking through
Speaker 2: all the ketchup by the way my face, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, wipe, wipe the mustard out of your eyes.
Speaker 1: You're like wait a minute.
Speaker 2: And I had the street. I mean, we've all been him,
Speaker 2: We've all been we have all that's my sleep foralysis
Speaker 2: demon Like I'm just I wake up and it's that's
Speaker 2: what I see it. I'm like, get it, babe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't stop on, yeah, don't stop for me. You keep
Speaker 2: going yeah. OK. So I crossed the street to answer
Speaker 2: him because I'm like is he hot? And so I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's like hot. Cry to me. I'm
Speaker 2: like Sophie Tucker.
Speaker 1: Oh was it purple hat ta? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know it was like it is I couldn't like
Speaker 2: my body had to move.
Speaker 1: It was like against my I did the exact same
Speaker 1: thing in Paris when that song first came out. It
Speaker 1: came into my headphones and I was like, what the
Speaker 1: just you came?
Speaker 2: Not that?
Speaker 1: I swear to God, it calms everything in my brain.
Speaker 1: When I listened to that song.
Speaker 2: I was like literally reaching Nirvana. Yeah, I was floating
Speaker 2: about my body, like just getting it.
Speaker 1: I listened to that song on rebeats. Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: dance do it after this, Okay.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I cross the street and I'm like Sopie
Speaker 2: Tucker and then we like I'm like this guy is
Speaker 2: like so hute and he's gonna go buy pretzels. And
Speaker 2: pretzels are like one of my favor foods. I've been
Speaker 2: eating them since I was like a kid. My parents
Speaker 2: are like, why are you eighty? What's next do you want?
Speaker 2: I'm like, snyders of handover hard pretzels in the box.
Speaker 2: You're like please O. When I cut my my mouth
Speaker 2: with pretzels today, and so I was like, I actually like,
Speaker 2: A'm super well versed in this and I can help
Speaker 2: you shop for pretzels, and so we go to to
Speaker 2: get pretzels and then we go I'm like, should we
Speaker 2: get a drink?
Speaker 1: Like what's happening? And so he's like yeah, so we
Speaker 1: go to get a drink. Wait, so who was the
Speaker 1: man that put the cig in your mouth? That's a
Speaker 1: different man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just a man that I unlocked by dancing
Speaker 2: down the street. He might have like a hole in
Speaker 2: the ground, might have opened it. She came up. He
Speaker 2: was like his purpose was a cigarette. He left, so
Speaker 2: like whoever that is, bless.
Speaker 1: God, bless us.
Speaker 2: Like I felt like I hit the lottery.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Bruno Mars coming up from stage just
Speaker 1: literally literally.
Speaker 2: I would do anything.
Speaker 1: It's like a fog machine around him. He just gives
Speaker 1: you a sack.
Speaker 2: Times I'm like, get the drones out, make them everywhere.
Speaker 2: So I could like have that moment like what did
Speaker 2: that look like?
Speaker 1: And how did he know you wanted to sing?
Speaker 2: I was ripping them?
Speaker 1: Okay, have you were watching me?
Speaker 2: I was just like, moment, go out, I'd light another
Speaker 2: one because I was like just like working things out,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was like therapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, there was the Demons out.
Speaker 2: The demons love cigarettes.
Speaker 1: The demons are dancing, love a beep fog and dance.
Speaker 1: Opey Tucker a beer and talks and.
Speaker 2: The demons are frapp.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The devins are literally fro. It was the DEFENSI
Speaker 1: the DJ that's so us.
Speaker 2: So we go to have a drink and we have
Speaker 2: a cocktail and I look at him and I'm like,
Speaker 2: should we just like make out? And sleeper's any chemistry here?
Speaker 2: So we don't mast each other's time. Yeah, Like the
Speaker 2: business woman arrived, she was like time is money? Is
Speaker 2: this a man worth kissing or not? Yes? And so
Speaker 2: we make out and then basically was like whose house
Speaker 2: are we going to?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And now he's my boyfriend?
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Speaker 2: I like, I have never had more fun. Yeah I don't.
Speaker 2: This person is actually made me realize I haven't had
Speaker 2: a honeymoon phase in a really long time because I'm
Speaker 2: having so much. We played Tag. I skinned my knees
Speaker 2: playing tag.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I remember that I saw that was on
Speaker 1: your birthday, on or around your birthday.
Speaker 2: It was a birthday birthday game of tag. And he's
Speaker 2: so hot, He's really hot. He go straight to his head.
Speaker 2: You're fine, You're fine, You're okay, You're.
Speaker 1: Just you're fine.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I was like, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 2: on on talking Schmidt. I'm gonna like say a little
Speaker 2: code word for you, so you know, yeah, thinking of Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the word is this, it's all of our business.
Speaker 2: The code word is talking about us and how we
Speaker 2: met in great detail for the first half. So if
Speaker 2: you're listening, this is the code word. It's our best.
Speaker 1: The code word is hot dog.
Speaker 2: It's hot dog. Yeah. I'm I'm like thrilled. It's like really,
Speaker 2: just I'm having so much fun. So it's like all
Speaker 2: signs of pointed to moving to New York was the
Speaker 2: right thing to do. I did it the best time.
Speaker 2: I really could not be happening.
Speaker 1: The universe really rewards you when you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about how that's very real, because when
Speaker 2: you're not doing the right thing, it's like it's like
Speaker 2: rubbing your face in it. I mean things are uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, It's like when I moved to Palm Beach
Speaker 1: and everything that could go wrong went wrong, Like my
Speaker 1: interior designers robbed me, my dog died, cheated on me.
Speaker 1: I was like okay at the Rock Place.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing your stories and every other day it
Speaker 2: was like, how much would you guys pay for these chairs?
Speaker 2: As like shit, she's still going We're going through. Those
Speaker 2: chairs are ruining everything.
Speaker 1: I didn't think furniture could ruin my life that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, and here's the thing, I was so upset
Speaker 1: about it for so long. That's how you knew I
Speaker 1: had nothing else going on.
Speaker 2: You were like, good morning, the chairs, their.
Speaker 1: Mourning the love seat from ye like to the earth.
Speaker 2: To destroy me.
Speaker 1: That was such a funny time. That was It was
Speaker 1: funny for everyone except for me, Yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: really But it is funny how you can be like
Speaker 1: so fucking in something and so ang, which is like
Speaker 1: blinded by anger, and then a few months later that
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, I love seats, but it's like you're
Speaker 1: in my space now. You like, your space really dictates
Speaker 1: how you feel. And for me, I'm a Taurus, so
Speaker 1: I'm like my space needs to be like peaceful and
Speaker 1: bring me. And when I wake up and I'm just
Speaker 1: filled with rage about i mean, dueling love seats, I
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm not going to get through this. No, no,
Speaker 1: I literally barely got through it. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like energetically, that was like the universe being like get out, get.
Speaker 2: Out, get the chairs, and send the chairs out.
Speaker 1: The chairs in the Atlantic, and then.
Speaker 2: Follow them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, follow the chairs.
Speaker 2: And it's so true though, and like I have to
Speaker 2: say something funny is happening since I move back to
Speaker 2: New York. When I was in San Francisco, I really
Speaker 2: didn't want to be there. I was trying to have
Speaker 2: a good time, like I always like, I like to
Speaker 2: show up with a good attitude. It was really hard though,
Speaker 2: and I didn't nest in any of my apartments, like
Speaker 2: I'm talking blank walls, no art, because I kept being like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here for long. I don't really.
Speaker 2: I wasn't feeling pulled to make it feel like home.
Speaker 2: So I just let my say I live. My apartments
Speaker 2: were sick. There was like nothing in them that looked
Speaker 2: like I cared about being there. And I'm a very
Speaker 2: creative person, like my whole job is designing. I love
Speaker 2: to get dressed. I love to wear a weird, fun outfit.
Speaker 2: So for my apartment to be barren, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like someone check on her. And that was five years
Speaker 2: and so I moved back to New York and I
Speaker 2: have like art on my walls. I thought a long
Speaker 2: time about a couch, like I've got really fun chairs,
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, you can tell that I care about
Speaker 2: my space, which is like indicative of the fact that like,
Speaker 2: I'm just so happy to be here and I care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can get comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are an overwhelmingly positive person. I actually a date.
Speaker 2: One time and this guy was like, I'm feeling overwhelmed
Speaker 2: and I was like why and he's like, you're just
Speaker 2: like you're just like a lot, And I was like,
Speaker 2: are you check over for me? I was like, are
Speaker 2: you okay? I asked him, are you okay? Like are
Speaker 2: you having around me? And then he asked me on
Speaker 2: another date and I was like, no, baby, you don't
Speaker 2: want you don't want that.
Speaker 1: No one. I was just like, because you're too happy?
Speaker 1: Have you always been that way? A choice?
Speaker 2: Actually, no, it's fully a choice. I'm very vocal about this,
Speaker 2: Like you know, if you are, there are so many
Speaker 2: things that this does not apply to. I want to
Speaker 2: say that, like life can be very hard and you
Speaker 2: cannot like trick your way out of it or like
Speaker 2: like new neural pathway or way out of it. If
Speaker 2: things are generally okay, and like you know, like you
Speaker 2: just start to feel like kind of bad, you can
Speaker 2: follow that. Sometimes it feels good to feel bad. That's
Speaker 2: why I like winter, winter in fall, or the months
Speaker 2: where I'm like put on Interpol, be moody, and like
Speaker 2: these are like my moody times.
Speaker 1: And then comes from the six months I give myself
Speaker 1: to be booty. These are the half a year.
Speaker 2: Howled I'm going to let myself feel like other things,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be upset. But sometimes upset is like it
Speaker 2: scratches an itch and I let myself lean in. But
Speaker 2: largely I feel kind of scared of following like negative
Speaker 2: ways of being too far because it becomes a habit.
Speaker 2: And when I am like bummed or sad, I'm not productive,
Speaker 2: like I'm not like my world, I don't do great
Speaker 2: work like my I'm not having fun at dinner. I
Speaker 2: just notice it kind of like for me personally, like
Speaker 2: makes its way into every part of my life. And
Speaker 2: so to have a kind of life I want and
Speaker 2: that feels good to me. I like feel like it's
Speaker 2: important to kind of like show up with a good attitude.
Speaker 1: I love that. I can't relate, but like I love
Speaker 1: that for you.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of days like where
Speaker 2: I'm it's not you know, I'm it's a difference doesn't work,
Speaker 2: but generally. This is like the ethos I try to No.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I think it's true that it
Speaker 1: is a choice. If everything else is, that's a really
Speaker 1: interesting way to put it. If everything else is, generally,
Speaker 1: then you are making a choice. It's like for me,
Speaker 1: it's almost self masturbatory right where I'm just like it
Speaker 1: feels good here.
Speaker 2: No, I know that's when.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I'll leave it to winter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll share my playlist with you, like
Speaker 2: they're very different than my summer playlist, right, Like you'll
Speaker 2: hear a fall playlist.
Speaker 1: But I think fall is the time where I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna be the happiest, not the saddest. I think the
Speaker 1: happiest because I know the darkness is coming, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm like winter is coming.
Speaker 2: That about you? Yeah, I love that about and you
Speaker 2: know what. The darkness is coming.
Speaker 1: The darkness is here.
Speaker 2: The trash is going to freeze, and the rats are
Speaker 2: going to climb to the top of it and jump
Speaker 2: off at you. Okay, yeah, like five actual air Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh you haven't seen that yet. I'll do that together
Speaker 2: sight seeing. I'll show you how the rats do winter.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's how I'm gonna do. That's how
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do to the trash. Just jump.
Speaker 2: Goodbye, you just land. It's like.
Speaker 1: He died with your elaborate performance.
Speaker 2: Artie's all the shine. Yeah, she is a rat in
Speaker 2: the fall, but I'm I'm sad in the fall. In
Speaker 2: the winter, she's a red inside. Are her two wolves
Speaker 2: us a rat?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh I'm really laughing. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: I am scared of the winters here.
Speaker 2: Okay, so again, you have to put on your like
Speaker 2: winter Brittany hat. So winters are for sweaters. You gotta
Speaker 2: show everyone your coats. Yeah, show them your winter I
Speaker 2: have so many coats exactly. It's like a fun It's
Speaker 2: like a fashion show for another part of your wardrobe. Okay,
Speaker 2: you say, look at this coat, and then you go inside.
Speaker 2: The next thing you say look at this coat and
Speaker 2: you leave. You guys walk around being like in these boots.
Speaker 1: It's just like, look at this coat.
Speaker 2: Look at this hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just looks like it's belt around my neck.
Speaker 1: Look at this belt.
Speaker 2: Look at this window open, jery shut. Actually, so you're
Speaker 2: totally fine in the winter. Actually, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't really open them in the winter, but we
Speaker 2: could see, well we'll circle back on that.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see, we'll do it. We'll do an episode
Speaker 1: in February.
Speaker 2: Dying to know?
Speaker 1: Could you go to do an episode with Sad Tailor
Speaker 1: in February.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like in my golf me. Yeah, literally,
Speaker 2: just I have said nine thousand words so far. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna sit here in silence. Norwegian black metal.
Speaker 1: Just black eyelighter.
Speaker 2: She wasn't lying.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she wasn't like she's not okay, she's
Speaker 1: really upset, and I'm like I like it. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Okay, So business is booming.
Speaker 2: Business is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, never better, it's it's getting you know what.
Speaker 2: For the first like month, I didn't want to do
Speaker 2: because I was managing my own time, which felt insane.
Speaker 2: I would wake up and walk in circles.
Speaker 1: Okay, guy, that's a good start. That's a really good start.
Speaker 1: Until I was dizzy.
Speaker 2: I'd out until I passed out because I'd wake up
Speaker 2: would just be like what because you know, like I've
Speaker 2: always had a job, and then a job someone's like
Speaker 2: do this, this is what you do?
Speaker 1: You don't do this.
Speaker 2: There were guardrails. I was like, I can do anything,
Speaker 2: and I was like I had analysis paralysis. I was like,
Speaker 2: so I can do anything, therefore I can't do anything.
Speaker 2: And it took some time to create structure, and then
Speaker 2: I blew that structure off. I just was like, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know why I said, I blew it.
Speaker 1: That's okay, you blew it up.
Speaker 2: I blew off.
Speaker 1: And then I sucked that structure off, and no, I
Speaker 1: don't have any anymore, baby.
Speaker 2: I didn't suck off the structure.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're listening, never die.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I just like I wasn't following my own rules,
Speaker 2: and so I kind of had to like get very
Speaker 2: serious and see it more as like a sink or
Speaker 2: swim thing where it's like if you don't do like
Speaker 2: X amount of these things a week in this timeframe,
Speaker 2: then like it's gonna affect this, that and the other,
Speaker 2: and so you know, it's like you kind of like
Speaker 2: fall forward, you fall upwards. They say, right, it's like
Speaker 2: happy accident. It's like Bob ro sss. And so I
Speaker 2: just kind of like figured out what type of structure
Speaker 2: also works for my personality type. So if I, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like I learned what it looked like if I
Speaker 2: didn't you know, really, if I wasn't serious, it looked
Speaker 2: like me just being like I'm gonna walk to a
Speaker 2: coffee shop and then I'd go home and be like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk to another coffee shop. And it's just
Speaker 2: like I just was like on walks a lot, because
Speaker 2: I think a lot on walks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it is one of the best places creatively
Speaker 1: for things to flow, is when you're moving and you
Speaker 1: have to give your like body attention to something, but
Speaker 1: your mind has time to be free. Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you can walk in like a straight
Speaker 2: line and do that thing where you look at the
Speaker 2: sky and you just can see your peripher you can
Speaker 2: see the people. You don't have to look straight at them.
Speaker 2: Do you guys do that?
Speaker 1: No, you just look like it looks like you might
Speaker 1: be looking like into your into the top of your head.
Speaker 2: Ever, just crossed your eyes down the street.
Speaker 1: You do that thing where you walk straight. I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: you can't walk straight in New York City? You have
Speaker 1: to say you just walk straight?
Speaker 2: Nobody with you because they're like, got her up.
Speaker 1: It's so cool, But what the fuck, how did you
Speaker 1: see it with those eyes crossed, like, yeah, I I
Speaker 1: go onto.
Speaker 2: Association walks like that, I can like find I do
Speaker 2: when I run. When I run, sometimes I'm if, I
Speaker 2: like really want to quit running. I'm like this sucks.
Speaker 2: I'm hot, I don't want to do it anymore. I'll
Speaker 2: like stare like into the sky so I can still
Speaker 2: see people, but I like won't look at anyone in particular,
Speaker 2: and it allows me to kind of like zone out.
Speaker 2: And then I like go to another I go to
Speaker 2: the upside.
Speaker 1: Down, yeah, and then we go to the upside down yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can like get through things there. I'm also
Speaker 1: a deep.
Speaker 2: Exactly where like the heart and soul lives exactly. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I love a walk. But now everything
Speaker 2: is really great. I've got structure, I've got a team
Speaker 2: behind me. I've got like I've got you know, I've
Speaker 2: like built everything out in a way where it's not
Speaker 2: just me. I think that was also a problem.
Speaker 1: It's like it was just me, right, how many people
Speaker 1: are working for you know, I.
Speaker 2: Have a marketing team, got a social media team that
Speaker 2: helps me remain very current and cool. Great their fingers
Speaker 2: on the pulse of you know, whatever happens.
Speaker 1: On TikTok, whatever the fever, whatever that is.
Speaker 2: At one point there was a t remember the trend
Speaker 2: where it was like no one will pay attention, and
Speaker 2: so we have to play a video of like people
Speaker 2: jumping across train cars and then like the subject matters underneath,
Speaker 2: and I was and I remember at one point someone
Speaker 2: was like, hey, like we're gonna do like a jewelry video.
Speaker 2: We're gonna like, have you talking about jewelryn, We're gonna
Speaker 2: have people on train cars on top. And I was like,
Speaker 2: absolutely not, because like it just felt like jewelry is expensive,
Speaker 2: this is a really important purchase. I don't want you
Speaker 2: to be like, oh fuck, I should have done this.
Speaker 2: I just the train that was the guy jumped from
Speaker 2: the train car the other train car, and like I
Speaker 2: missed that.
Speaker 1: I need you to like kind of pay attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there are some trends where I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, just because the nature of the price point
Speaker 2: and the intention and like how special it is, it's
Speaker 2: like I really just need your attention. Yeah, even if
Speaker 2: you know, we want to watch three videos at once
Speaker 2: right now, so you should look into that.
Speaker 1: Let's not rule out the train cars.
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to do it. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want to watch the video. I want to do it.
Speaker 1: It's actually judge from car train car dimonds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like explaining the difference between like an emerald cut
Speaker 2: and a oval as I jump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what sort of changes have you seen since the
Speaker 1: lab grown diamonds have exploded?
Speaker 2: Yes, So you know, lab grown diamonds had a pretty
Speaker 2: bad rep for a while. People were like what is it?
Speaker 2: That really was like the first question.
Speaker 1: It was like, well what is it?
Speaker 2: And it's like, it's a diamond and people are like,
Speaker 2: it's not. And so it is a diamond chemically, compositionally
Speaker 2: and otherwise. They are cut by the same diamond cutters
Speaker 2: who cut mine diamonds. They are polished by those same people.
Speaker 2: They go to the same grating facilities like the g
Speaker 2: I A or the IGI. They are just grown in
Speaker 2: a controlled environment, which were moves the rarity factor, right, So, Like,
Speaker 2: the reason that mine diamonds hold value to a degree
Speaker 2: is because they are like naturally occurring in all of
Speaker 2: their splendor, which makes it more rare, which means that
Speaker 2: there's value associated to rare things like all rare cars bags.
Speaker 2: We see this across like all industries. So because like
Speaker 2: we can just grow a lab grown, it means that
Speaker 2: there's kind of like more readily available and the value
Speaker 2: is like a totally different conversation. I mean, like they're
Speaker 2: just so affordable. I personally, after spending you know, seven
Speaker 2: years selling engagement rings for some of the biggest companies
Speaker 2: in New York where my average sale was like around
Speaker 2: sixty thousand dollars sixty okay, yeah, sixty I was my
Speaker 2: average sales. The lead diamond consultant had them. I mean,
Speaker 2: like again like some of the best years of my
Speaker 2: life in my career because I learned so much and
Speaker 2: I had so much fun. But like guys would write
Speaker 2: me a check with tears in their eyes because some
Speaker 2: of these guys who was like all the money they'd
Speaker 2: ever saved. Yeah, not everyone's like coming with money. Rest conversation, right,
Speaker 2: A lot of guys just are dating a girl who
Speaker 2: needs a four carrot mind diamond, right, and it's like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: if it's not four carrots, like we're not getting engaged, right,
Speaker 2: And so a lot of guys are you know, like
Speaker 2: kind of like scrambling to figure out how to do that.
Speaker 2: Maybe not even letting it be known that they're kind
Speaker 2: of stress, right, But I see that side, right, And
Speaker 2: whenever I show diamonds, I'm always showing a price range,
Speaker 2: So like if your budget's sixty thousand, I would show
Speaker 2: you like forty to sixty, because like sometimes there's a
Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars diamond that looks sixty thousand dollars and
Speaker 2: I'd rather, like I'm always putting myself in my client's shoes,
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to spend the top of my
Speaker 2: budget just because it's the top of my market. Like,
Speaker 2: if I can find a way to get the look
Speaker 2: for less, I want to do that, and I want
Speaker 2: you to know that you can do that, and I
Speaker 2: want you to do that, you know. And so there
Speaker 2: would be times, so yeah, we're guys, like would the
Speaker 2: diamond was a price point that they said that they
Speaker 2: were going to pay and that's what they ended up paying,
Speaker 2: And they would make jokes for how they're just gonna
Speaker 2: eat ramen, and I don't know, it was like it
Speaker 2: made me kind of sad. Yeah, it also felt kind
Speaker 2: of like maybe like a more risky financial choice to
Speaker 2: make when star out at the beginning of like such
Speaker 2: a big chapter of your life. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of us New Yorkers like don't own property, right because
Speaker 2: we've got too much avocado toast, right, So something like that.
Speaker 1: Just big avocado got us and so now we can
Speaker 1: the American tale truly as old as time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's like, you know a lot of
Speaker 2: these a lot of couples were choosing to make their
Speaker 2: first big investment as a couple, like in this purchase
Speaker 2: and do whatever you want, Like there's no right or
Speaker 2: wrong answer here. I just what I like about lab
Speaker 2: grown diamonds is that now you don't have to choose,
Speaker 2: so you can get that same look for five six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You can lie to people if you want. Lie,
Speaker 2: I say, it's mind, lie, Who cares as long as
Speaker 2: you're happy. This is only This is a purchase on
Speaker 2: behalf of you, two about you too. It's just it's
Speaker 2: all about it's like for your relationship everyone else. This
Speaker 2: is such a funny industry because we get so wrapped
Speaker 2: up and what everyone's thinking, and everyone's gonna think when
Speaker 2: they see it. And you know, I always say, like,
Speaker 2: one of the things I hate the most is when
Speaker 2: clients will be like do you think that that's mind
Speaker 2: or LAB? And I'll be like, well, does it matter though,
Speaker 2: because do you like it? Yeah? Do you like it?
Speaker 2: Because if you like it, then I'll tell you the
Speaker 2: price of each mind and LAB and you tell me
Speaker 2: what you want to spend and we can do either.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like I sometimes I feel like the conversation's way
Speaker 2: too much around like what did she spend? And not
Speaker 2: like is she happy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So one a conversation I overheard someone having he
Speaker 1: was gonna get his soon to be fiance a ring,
Speaker 1: and I was saying, you know, he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have the money for the
Speaker 1: ring that she wants. And I was like, what about
Speaker 1: LAB diamonds? And he's like, no, I want people to
Speaker 1: know that I'm wealthy. Yeah, And I'm like, so, what's
Speaker 1: the solution then if rich people want it? Because the
Speaker 1: diamonds were the way that it was a status symbol,
Speaker 1: it made people seem wealthy. And if that's going away
Speaker 1: kind of just because nobody can tell the difference between
Speaker 1: labed and Mind, what do you think the next status
Speaker 1: symbol will be?
Speaker 2: Colored stones, sapphires, rubies, emeralds. Well, don't also emeralds are
Speaker 2: very low on the most hardness scale, so like they
Speaker 2: have a very high chance of chipping or breaking when
Speaker 2: you wear them every day. Diamond and sapphire are and
Speaker 2: ruby diamonds ten on the most hardness scale mohs, sapphire
Speaker 2: and ruby are nine. And that's a reason why you
Speaker 2: see those two, those three materials used most often. Ruby
Speaker 2: and sapphi are actually the same material. Ruby is just
Speaker 2: red like it's its own category because there's just like
Speaker 2: so much happening there and so much value that could
Speaker 2: associated with it. But yeah, you want to wear material,
Speaker 2: you want your ring to be functional. Emeralds I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 2: They can still be very expensive. There's so many different
Speaker 2: colored stones that can be very expensive for various reasons.
Speaker 2: That's definitely gonna be status. Because you can't like lab
Speaker 2: grown colored stones. I will say, you can't like mimic
Speaker 2: the inclusions.
Speaker 1: You can't glass truly, So if you're wearing colored glass.
Speaker 2: It's you know, if you care about the look and
Speaker 2: you care about true beauty that can't be replicated. Colored
Speaker 2: stones that are mined are going to be far and
Speaker 2: away more noticeably beautiful than lab just because like at
Speaker 2: least we haven't gotten there yet, like you can all
Speaker 2: the difference. Also, like you know, yellow diamonds. I mean
Speaker 2: I did actually just sell like a lab canary yellow.
Speaker 2: It was eight carrots and it's sunning, so beautiful for
Speaker 2: a moment, like yellow diamonds, Like we're up there too.
Speaker 2: I really think it's gonna be about colored stones. Also,
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to make sure people know
Speaker 2: the you of a mind diamond, maybe shy away from
Speaker 2: the idea of having it be colorless. For a long
Speaker 2: time we wanted when we say we want a white diamond,
Speaker 2: we're actually saying colorless. So diamonds the grading, the color
Speaker 2: grading starts at d d EF is totally colorless. So
Speaker 2: it's the absence of warmth in the diamond rough that
Speaker 2: the diamond is like mapped out. And then like they
Speaker 2: you know, cut a piece out. Then they like the
Speaker 2: diamond cutter maps how to cut you know, the most
Speaker 2: of a certain shape without losing the most amount of rough.
Speaker 2: They want to maximize the rough. But basically what happens
Speaker 2: is when you have a colorless diamond, lab grown diamonds
Speaker 2: are really only grown in colorless Real mind diamonds have
Speaker 2: the ability to be kind of warm, very warm, like
Speaker 2: like like yellow, right, and so like the more warmth
Speaker 2: in the rough of a mind diamond indicates that it's
Speaker 2: mind right, because that's not something that we're seeing in
Speaker 2: lab growns right now. And in fact, I specialize in
Speaker 2: antiques as well, antique diamonds, and we're cut handcut between
Speaker 2: the sixteen and eighteen hundreds. They came from minds that
Speaker 2: produced largely warmer rough. And I was talking all day
Speaker 2: long until I was blue in the face about like,
Speaker 2: if you want an antique diamond, you better get comfortable
Speaker 2: with seeing a lower color grade on your gia s
Speaker 2: ert just because like that's just the way that it was, right,
Speaker 2: and they're true antiques, and so also get excited, but
Speaker 2: like a cool special I love antiques, like I want
Speaker 2: an antique. I want also like three other things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what else do you want?
Speaker 2: I want like three or four rings and a problem? Okay,
Speaker 2: because I feel like I should just like depending on
Speaker 2: my mood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well does your man know that? Now? He does?
Speaker 2: Do you want to don't block me? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Wait, maybe I could get a discount.
Speaker 2: Hear me out here? You can have four watches?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, a girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know a guy. We're gonna be
Speaker 2: just fine. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: feel like, what was I saying.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. You said you wanted antiques antique
Speaker 1: antiqu warmer rough.
Speaker 2: So now I actually have a lot of clients that
Speaker 2: are coming to me for antique lab growns and they
Speaker 2: want warmer antique antique lab growns because that's kind of
Speaker 2: like how the antiques have always looked for a while,
Speaker 2: we fought it and now it's charming, right, and I
Speaker 2: can't really find them in those lower colors. And so again,
Speaker 2: if you're looking into antiques, embrace the fact that you're
Speaker 2: going to be seeing like I JK Lmeno on your shirt,
Speaker 2: because again that's going to signal that it's like a
Speaker 2: true mind diamond and that it's you know, probably a
Speaker 2: real antique. It just kind of depends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it true that if it's a real diamond
Speaker 1: when you go through an X ray you can't see
Speaker 1: it an X.
Speaker 2: Ray A real I don't know, I haven't heard that,
Speaker 2: like a mind diamond versus lab grown. Yeah, I actually
Speaker 2: haven't heard that. Okay, I need to get I lost
Speaker 2: my health insurance. But I love Google, and so now
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm not going through phrase.
Speaker 1: I don't have out the shirts.
Speaker 2: I don't have any all the shirts. I can't answer
Speaker 2: that question. Brittany O. God, sorry about that.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: He's scared of being on a city bike.
Speaker 1: Now, Oh yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm on it, and I'm like fast.
Speaker 1: I love a Citi bike. Did you see what they
Speaker 1: just did with the automatic greens on for a second
Speaker 1: and eighth, No, you're on a city bike and you
Speaker 1: go fifteen miles an hour, which is the top speed.
Speaker 1: They have it set up on these streets where you
Speaker 1: get automatic greens and you just fly down.
Speaker 2: So they want us. This is so nice.
Speaker 1: They want you guys on the bikes. They want everyone
Speaker 1: on the bikes. They want people out of cars. They're
Speaker 1: doing everything they can to incentivize people to stop using cars.
Speaker 1: In New York City. It is bananas. I really did
Speaker 1: not think the traffic here could be as bad as
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I was going to LaGuardia the
Speaker 1: other day and I sat and stand still traffic for
Speaker 1: like an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's not good. That's why I always
Speaker 2: opt to take the subway. I'll put the fanciest outfit.
Speaker 1: On and get on the subway. Get on a fucking train, babe.
Speaker 2: I just I.
Speaker 1: I was gonna move my car here, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: where would I and go with it? Even if I
Speaker 1: had a car to go somewhere, I wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to leave the city.
Speaker 2: Well, and then also like the parking every month, get
Speaker 2: ready to pay like seven eight hundred dollars. Like your
Speaker 2: car has an apartment. Literally, it's your car's apartment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's my car. I don't that's my car's studio apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I live in my car.
Speaker 2: I live in my car.
Speaker 1: I live in my car now because we can only
Speaker 1: one of us.
Speaker 2: When do you get your dog a dog? Yeah? You
Speaker 2: get your your car an apartment? Do you hear that?
Speaker 1: West Now virus is in the mosquitoes in New York?
Speaker 2: Now you know, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no,
Speaker 2: just not surprise. There's also we have lesionarios? Is use
Speaker 2: happening a lot?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like seven people died from it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is that? I think? I don't know? Okay, good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not scientists, we don't know. She knows about diamonds
Speaker 1: and rocks, but we don't know that it.
Speaker 2: Happens when like you accidentally let an air condition need
Speaker 2: to drip in your eye, not let like just like
Speaker 2: like let it like but like like I think it's
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like a water thing.
Speaker 1: Well, that's great. I've had so many I've been air
Speaker 1: conditioners drop into my mouth since I've been here.
Speaker 2: I was on the airplane yesterday and I just got
Speaker 2: I just got back from Cecilia. Yeah. I did that
Speaker 2: thing where I spoke a whole sentence of English and
Speaker 2: then would go grazzi just like so annoying. Just speak,
Speaker 2: just say everything.
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing. Is My favorite is when I'm
Speaker 1: in a different country and I say thank you and
Speaker 1: their language and they say you're welcome, yes, because they're
Speaker 1: like they're like enough with the performance art piece.
Speaker 2: This is annoying. I was on the airplane yesterday and
Speaker 2: I was like drinking out of an open cup of
Speaker 2: water they gave me, and I could feel like the
Speaker 2: air conditioning was coming out so hard. There was like
Speaker 2: kind of spitting and I was like gulping and feeling
Speaker 2: the water from the vent and I was like whatever
Speaker 2: is happening right here is going to change humanity forever,
Speaker 2: because it's like so much questionable water happening to me
Speaker 2: totally with my mouth and eyes open.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you have blue chair, what's it called lures?
Speaker 1: You have Luke Caregs. You know, what's it called Lugrians,
Speaker 1: lu Grigs? What's the No, what's the dose? No, we're
Speaker 1: not playing a game. The game you just or theire legionaires,
Speaker 1: not Luke Earegs. Lugaregs is something else. So anyway, now
Speaker 1: you have Luke Ereggs.
Speaker 2: All right, well we should probably read up about this,
Speaker 2: like immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh. All right, we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: debout dark. Yeah, let's talk about this. Someone said, do
Speaker 1: diamond dealers judge people for overpaying?
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not that they judge you. So let
Speaker 2: me first of all say that, like there are fair
Speaker 2: profit margins that like people in this industry should be
Speaker 2: allowed to make to make a living, as in any industry, right,
Speaker 2: Like you don't go into us a grocery store and go,
Speaker 2: I want all this it costs? Right? I know a
Speaker 2: guy who gives me cereal at costs? Like we are
Speaker 2: all paying profit margins on everything so that those people
Speaker 2: who made it can live.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The issue with the fine jewelry industry that like my
Speaker 2: company also when I started it as kind of like
Speaker 2: I want to combat this, is that there's a lot
Speaker 2: of smoke in years and we don't know what is
Speaker 2: real and we don't know what is fair. And so
Speaker 2: you know, thank thank god now for like the internet
Speaker 2: being able to comp shop, you know, like see if
Speaker 2: like things that are similar. As long as we're comparing
Speaker 2: apples apples, like always comp shop, always make sure because
Speaker 2: there are dealers who are a little bit older, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like this is an archaic industry. It's still largely
Speaker 2: run by men, and so yeah, like there are dealers
Speaker 2: who will maybe charge you a little bit more because
Speaker 2: that's just the way they've always done it. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like how we look at our like our parents,
Speaker 2: and we're like we can't be mad at them. They're
Speaker 2: fully baked, they're never changing and this is just how
Speaker 2: it is, right. It's like it's like this is like
Speaker 2: an old industry. We'll have a lot of people who've
Speaker 2: been in it forever and they've been doing it this
Speaker 2: way forever, and now we've become more educated and now
Speaker 2: we want things to be different, and they're kind of
Speaker 2: like you know, like still going to try to like,
Speaker 2: you know, charge you this. Yeah, yeah, I do think
Speaker 2: that there are jewelers who probably do charge more than
Speaker 2: they should. But while so we're all out here buying
Speaker 2: Praudu and Louis Bitton and like, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: we're all used to paying more for the things we
Speaker 2: really want or as long as it's worth it, then,
Speaker 2: like I would say, decide on how much you want
Speaker 2: it if you can't stop thinking about it, but you
Speaker 2: can camp shop to see if it's fair, and also,
Speaker 2: like you know, consider like going outside of of your
Speaker 2: local hometown jewelers sometimes just to kind of like see
Speaker 2: if there are any other small jewelers out there.
Speaker 1: Who yeah, well, and if you guys are need to
Speaker 1: shop at all, you do like long distance comp.
Speaker 2: I work remotely remotely, and I'm like really transparent about
Speaker 2: my process, Like I'll tell you about like the dealer
Speaker 2: I'm getting the diamonds from, depending upon your budget, and
Speaker 2: if we're doing lab growns, I'll actually pull you into
Speaker 2: the online inventory that I select all of the lab
Speaker 2: growns from son you can select them with me, so
Speaker 2: we know they get that with you for this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know we mean a ring and I'm assessed that
Speaker 2: I can't to visit with it. Yeah. I try to
Speaker 2: be as transparent as possible because I feel like it
Speaker 2: makes me feel sad. This is such a wonderful and
Speaker 2: exciting part of people's lives and then like they don't
Speaker 2: know if they're safe or not. It should be really
Speaker 2: good the whole way through, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I do think that like are they judging you?
Speaker 2: I don't know, like they judge me for a tank top,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, like there might be like some
Speaker 2: judgment present in this industry. I think you should just
Speaker 2: try to educate yourself as much as possible. And if
Speaker 2: you're diamond, if your jeweler's not educating you, that's my
Speaker 2: first red flag. Right. You should feel comfortable asking any
Speaker 2: question as long as it's respectable. You should feel comfortable,
Speaker 2: you know, like being comfortable and not moving forward until
Speaker 2: you're comfortable either, Like don't get pushed into a sale,
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't have a good feeling, like
Speaker 2: wait a second, And this can be an industry where
Speaker 2: you get pushed. You know, it's like they want you
Speaker 2: to make a decision. Now they're gonna get some scare tactics. Again,
Speaker 2: just as a lot of industries, a lot of people
Speaker 2: want to close a deal. So I think just like,
Speaker 2: educate yourself, make sure that you feel comfortable with your jeweler,
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, comp shop, just make sure it's apples
Speaker 2: to apples.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, well this is you kind of answered this.
Speaker 1: But how can I be a smart jewelry buyer instead
Speaker 1: of totally vulnerable because I don't know what I should
Speaker 1: be asking about? Teach me the way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well okay, first of all, I mean like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna plug myself. Yeah, I'll talked, I talked. I educate
Speaker 2: people all day long. And I always say I was
Speaker 2: the first part of the process with me and this
Speaker 2: these are systems and processes that I'm using with my
Speaker 2: business that I set in place for other companies as well.
Speaker 2: So I know that a lot of jewelers, big jewelers
Speaker 2: in New York that like we all know and love,
Speaker 2: are following like similar ways of doing things. But I
Speaker 2: hop on an intro call, it's like thirty minutes find
Speaker 2: out what you're looking for your budget, your timeline, your
Speaker 2: design preferences, and then like I don't wait, you don't
Speaker 2: ask me. I just start telling you about the diamonds
Speaker 2: that you're looking for. I make recommendations, I educate you.
Speaker 2: So again I think that you're not supposed to be
Speaker 2: good at this, like this is your job, right, Like
Speaker 2: I don't walk into, you, know, a museum and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about this, Like, oh god, I'm
Speaker 2: stressed out. It's like ask an expert, right, like half
Speaker 2: somen her questions for you. And if you don't feel
Speaker 2: comfortable asking questions, I would probably note that because again,
Speaker 2: like one of my favorite things always joke on a
Speaker 2: diamond therapist, because this is a very emotional purchase, and
Speaker 2: I have a lot of customers who will actually gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell a story really to illustrate this more.
Speaker 2: I was working at a jewelry company in New York
Speaker 2: making engagement rings and diamond consulting, and I got I
Speaker 2: had a guy who was coming in for an appointment.
Speaker 2: A lot of guys wo make appointments. Now I have
Speaker 2: a lot more women involved, which I love so much.
Speaker 2: But a guy made an appointment and I got a
Speaker 2: call about an hour before the appointment, and this girl
Speaker 2: was like, hey, like Jared, I think is coming in today.
Speaker 2: This is Jared's girlfriend's best friend. Will you make sure
Speaker 2: Jared knows that she like wants a pair, not an
Speaker 2: oval and she doesn't want like those short paich wants
Speaker 2: a long pair. And I was like, is this Jared's girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And she got quiet yeah, And I was like it's okay,
Speaker 2: and she's like yeah, And I was like, but that's
Speaker 2: just to say, like, you know, like there are so
Speaker 2: many different parts of this that are like a little
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for everyone. We're all trying to figure out like
Speaker 2: what is okay, what is not? Like I felt like
Speaker 2: it was part of my job that moment to make
Speaker 2: her feel comfortable talking to me so that I could
Speaker 2: do the best job making her her dream ring.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell Jared. She called no, my girl's girl please.
Speaker 2: I was like, Jared, I have a really good feeling
Speaker 2: about this pair with the ratio I got confirmed. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm like kind of like I mediate sometimes right,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I just think that like you just
Speaker 2: should feel comfortable and if you're not, yeah, I would
Speaker 2: probably try talking to someone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of how Yeah yeah, okay, So do
Speaker 1: you think it's wanting a mind diamond superficial or emotional?
Speaker 2: Hey, the whole thing is superficial and emotional, Okay, the
Speaker 2: whole industry. Yeah, it really is, like these are material
Speaker 2: things on behalf of love, right, And so I think
Speaker 2: that wanting a mind diamond this is where it's like
Speaker 2: super about you and no one else. And I just
Speaker 2: wish that I could like remind people of that all long.
Speaker 2: This is so not about anyone else but you. And
Speaker 2: if you want a mind diamond and you don't know why,
Speaker 2: but you just want it, get a mind diamond. If
Speaker 2: you want a lab grown diamond and you just like no,
Speaker 2: it's just this is no one's business. Don't let anyone
Speaker 2: shame you with their opinions. Don't let a lot of
Speaker 2: our parents like are of the mindset of mind diamonds
Speaker 2: because they did not have these options.
Speaker 1: Well, also, weren't mind diamonds like originally given to women
Speaker 1: as like a sense of security because they didn't have jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just talking about this actually, So the
Speaker 2: history of the engagement ring is not super fun and happy.
Speaker 1: Rainbows it's sexy.
Speaker 2: We're not allowed to have bank accounts, like we didn't have.
Speaker 1: Rights, and so we had no rights, but we got
Speaker 1: the rings.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like still that probably wasn't enough. So
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, but we were given a diamond ring
Speaker 2: because it held value and if anything went wrong, we
Speaker 2: could start over by trading in that diamond. So we
Speaker 2: are basically holding onto like the promise of like a
Speaker 2: new future, because that's all we had. I personally love
Speaker 2: that we have taken something with otherwise kind of like
Speaker 2: dark undertones and made it about our personal style and
Speaker 2: like our relationship, and we've put a new spin on it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I really encourage women to.
Speaker 1: And that's what America will do. We will put a
Speaker 1: new spin on hardship.
Speaker 2: We're gon we're gonna flip it in reverse.
Speaker 1: We're not the bad guys.
Speaker 2: We're gonna flip in reverse. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's really important to feel comfortable
Speaker 2: like sharing your you know, your interests, your opinion, like
Speaker 2: your preferences. This is like you have to look at
Speaker 2: it every day, right, so make make sure that it's
Speaker 2: what you want.
Speaker 1: Right. But then now, I mean I still would like
Speaker 1: a little security. If things go tits up and my
Speaker 1: diamond's a lab grown, I'm gonna be in trouble. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: especially if he doesn't tell me it's a lab road.
Speaker 2: Well you, I mean, so I would encourage that. I
Speaker 2: don't thing that like you susould lie. I never, I've
Speaker 2: never had it. I think I had a guy once
Speaker 2: make a joke like I'm gonna tell her to mind,
Speaker 2: and I think I was like, don't do that, Scott,
Speaker 2: don't start dowt to your future wife.
Speaker 1: Also we will find out also and then every time araised,
Speaker 1: we'll also be getting divorced.
Speaker 2: Yes, the appraisal to divorce pipeline is a thing. When
Speaker 2: you do that. Yeah, I just I if you want,
Speaker 2: if you want it for value, then obviously your only
Speaker 2: option is mind. If you just want mind, because that's
Speaker 2: just like what you grew up around, and it's just
Speaker 2: like what you like, and you like it, do mind.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of tips and tricks to aid
Speaker 2: and not spending an arm and a leg on a
Speaker 2: mine diamond, and that's one of my favorite conversations to have.
Speaker 2: Depending upon the diamond cut, there are certain seas that
Speaker 2: you should invest in verse not because you won't see
Speaker 2: your investment. So like, if you're looking for a mind
Speaker 2: diamond and you want to bounce some ideas and try
Speaker 2: to make it work for a budget range, and you
Speaker 2: have like a carrot, what you want to hit? Holler? Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's like I love that conversation. And if you
Speaker 2: don't care and you just want the look and you
Speaker 2: don't need it to hold value, you lab you know.
Speaker 2: So I just think that it's there's something for everyone
Speaker 2: and don't judge yourself for wanting something. I don't judge
Speaker 2: myself for eating ice cream for dinner. I had cake
Speaker 2: for dinner last night.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: And so you know, just like I'm not gonna I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, I'm not gonna tell anyone as I like.
Speaker 1: Look, tell everyone anyway, hot dog to my hot dog. Okay,
Speaker 1: you have been amazing. Tell everyone where they can follow
Speaker 1: you and find you, please. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my Instagram is Leonora Fine Jewelry. It's my
Speaker 2: last name. L A. N o r E. Fine Jewelry
Speaker 2: website Lunarfinjewelry dot com. Yeah, I'm always online.
Speaker 1: Okay, real quick before you go, we want to do
Speaker 1: what you're wearing. Ah, let's let's look at all the
Speaker 1: pieces you brought with you today. Mama. Oh, I love
Speaker 1: that New York pandit.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a diamond one. Oh, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: wear it.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna to wear it.
Speaker 2: I'm really understated, so so she's barely wearing anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to. My goal is always to walk into
Speaker 2: the ocean and sink to the bottom of it because
Speaker 2: I'm wearing so.
Speaker 1: Much gold, and to look like a shark lure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want like, I got some like I want
Speaker 2: to have my cousin Bidian, So I have ten carrots,
Speaker 2: had a snuckles on. Okay, I have two charm necklaces
Speaker 2: with these like fun little diamond and colored stone beads
Speaker 2: you can just add to any chain. Cutie, I've got
Speaker 2: a cutie.
Speaker 1: Where's the knife? You didn't bring the knife?
Speaker 2: I know it's because it got stuck in my hair.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have a really fun I know, I'll
Speaker 2: just have to send you the website for it. But like, yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes just know that when you sleep in a lot
Speaker 2: of necklaces.
Speaker 1: Oh you sleep in those?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's drama. I was actually in yoga this morning
Speaker 2: in them.
Speaker 1: We need to go to yoga. Okay, sorry, keep going.
Speaker 2: In this year, I have a three carrot pair stud
Speaker 2: Oh my god, have you seen her? No?
Speaker 1: Oh? And then I made a grill okay, gorge little
Speaker 1: diamond grill.
Speaker 2: And then these are all my rings. This pinky ring
Speaker 2: has a fun story. I feel like jewelry is so
Speaker 2: representative of like something celebratory or otherwise, and your ring
Speaker 2: exciting things. And so something really exciting happened in my life.
Speaker 2: I made myself this diamond encrusted ring with an emerald
Speaker 2: in the center, and then I engraved Taylor Forever on
Speaker 2: the inside of it. So I'm always encouraging my clients
Speaker 2: when they make something for themselves, Like when women come
Speaker 2: to me or a guy wants mix thing for his partner,
Speaker 2: I'm like, let's engrave something fun. Yeah, memory like what
Speaker 2: this is on behalf of Yeah, that's my tailor Forever ring.
Speaker 2: More diamond rings. We got some bracelets, I mean, like, girl,
Speaker 2: oh huh, I just got these ear cups in from production.
Speaker 2: Can you see them?
Speaker 1: No, because you're showing the camera. You're not showing me.
Speaker 1: Show me.
Speaker 2: No, I want to show the camera, Okay, but show me.
Speaker 1: You screw Oh my god, this fatty. We don't need
Speaker 1: to have piercings, right, No?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I need no, yeah no, yeah no, yeah wait
Speaker 2: I need that.
Speaker 1: Yeah because I only I can't do. I got my
Speaker 1: ear pierced twice when I was in Florida having a
Speaker 1: mental breakdown, and it hurts so bad. I was just like,
Speaker 1: never mind, I can't. I can't have physical pain on
Speaker 1: top of meant that mental anguish when opens and yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: The eating happens, the eating.
Speaker 1: There goes the chair, there goes that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll have you try these thing a bunch
Speaker 2: of your cups.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well I'm obsessed. Everyone go follow Taylor and
Speaker 1: if you need any diamonds or any jewelry, please hit
Speaker 1: her up because working with her is such a joy.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming, Yes, thanks for having me.