Speaker 1: Five o five at fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Speaker 1: Happy Monday is the Happy Monday say, we're looking at it?
Speaker 2: Well, what the hell?
Speaker 1: Appropriately times sound by Joe derekor Executi, producer of the
Speaker 1: five KRC Morning Show. Dude, what the hell? And of
Speaker 1: course I think everybody familiar with the incident that happened
Speaker 1: over the weekend knows exactly what I'm talking about. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Happy Monday too. You trying to make it happy anyway
Speaker 1: in spite of the reality is what we're dealing with
Speaker 1: here five one, three, seven, four nine, fifty five hundred,
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty two three talk pound five fifty on
Speaker 1: at and T phones. I'm hoping to hear from some
Speaker 1: folks this morning. Get the reaction to the violence downtown
Speaker 1: Cincinnati just amazing and horrific. It's just like animal like behavior.
Speaker 1: That's the only way I can really conclude. And you know,
Speaker 1: sum it up. I mean, there's a million words you
Speaker 1: can use to try to sum it up, but just
Speaker 1: stand in awe and disbelief that people could act that
Speaker 1: way anyhow. Coming up with the fifty five Hereessedy Morning
Speaker 1: Show to talk about the violent weekend in downtown Cincinni
Speaker 1: Ken Cober FOP President at seven oh five, followed by yes,
Speaker 1: Christopher's Smithman. Gee, what do you think Christopher's smithman is
Speaker 1: going to talk about in the smith event money money
Speaker 1: with Brian James Fed's meeting. Will there be a rate change?
Speaker 1: I saw some people are projecting maybe a rate increase.
Speaker 1: We'll see what Brian James has to say about that.
Speaker 1: I do not expect to drop in the interest rate. Though,
Speaker 1: tariff deal with European Union. Congratulation Donald Trump of the
Speaker 1: team for well working things out with the European Union,
Speaker 1: fifteen percent tariff on European imports and the promise of
Speaker 1: six hundred billion dollars in investment in the United States
Speaker 1: along with some arms sales. We'll talk about that. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about the ongoing talks with China which are kicking
Speaker 1: in hopefully we'll get some resolution on tariffs with China
Speaker 1: as well. And corporate earnings are coming out this week.
Speaker 1: How's the market going to react to that? And welcome
Speaker 1: back Rabbi Ari Jun He'll be in studio at eight
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Speaker 1: little upset that the well the shutdown of the bridge
Speaker 1: and the police response is shut down of the bridge
Speaker 1: took away from what the actual protest was about. And
Speaker 1: Rabbi Ari Jun always welcome to get his thoughts in
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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, let's pivot over to the local stories
Speaker 1: dominating actually national news. Now, this is not something the
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati wants to make it on the map
Speaker 1: for it, but there it is. Go to Foxnews dot com,
Speaker 1: Go to New York Post, go to this. It's all over,
Speaker 1: of course, the viral video and it's actually, you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, and it kind of is troubling to me.
Speaker 1: You can't unring the internet bell. Once it's out there
Speaker 1: and it's been posted, it's there forever in some place, way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. But the Facebook and several other sites
Speaker 1: I suppose have since embedded or prevented the sharing of
Speaker 1: the video of the fight. Why isn't this something we
Speaker 1: all should see and appreciate, for the horror and the
Speaker 1: well de evolution of mankind that it actually is so
Speaker 1: we can talk about it, maybe spread the word and
Speaker 1: maybe all collectively together step back and say we need
Speaker 1: to stop this immediately. Of course, these people need to
Speaker 1: be held accountable for the absolute horrific violence. I mean,
Speaker 1: some may argue it was attempted murder. You got a
Speaker 1: guy laying on the ground and people who had Really
Speaker 1: it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the
Speaker 1: original verbal altercation that they keeps suggesting starting all this all. No,
Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with the music festival. No,
Speaker 1: but it was the festival that brought ninety thousand people
Speaker 1: to downtown Cincinnati, congregating in a tight space that may
Speaker 1: have led to the verbal altercation. Do we stop doing
Speaker 1: music festivals? Or or will you stop going to events
Speaker 1: that draw large groups of people in downtown Cincinnati? Is
Speaker 1: this event? Have you watched the video? Does it change
Speaker 1: your perception of downtown CINCINNTI? Does it make you want
Speaker 1: to go downtown? And have you reached a conclusion that
Speaker 1: you know, you used to go downtown and used to
Speaker 1: really enjoy it, but now you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. Why take the chance? I go
Speaker 1: someplace else It's easier to park someplace else. It's easier
Speaker 1: to stay out in the suburbs. The experts, it's easier
Speaker 1: to eat. It's easier. You know, there's a multitude of
Speaker 1: reasons why, beyond the potential for violence, that you might
Speaker 1: choose to go someplace else for your entertainment and or
Speaker 1: dining enjoyment. I mean, the city of Cincinnati's in competition
Speaker 1: with the entire tri state area when it comes to
Speaker 1: within driving distance, and there are multitudes of opportunities within
Speaker 1: downtown since at driving distance. But so you get into
Speaker 1: a fight. Fights happened all the time. We read about
Speaker 1: it quite often, quite often in the stack of stupid
Speaker 1: There'll be two people du can get out. Maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of family members get involved because they're right there,
Speaker 1: but strangers, and it looks and it appears to be
Speaker 1: random people joining in the beat down, running from the
Speaker 1: sidelines and kicking this poor guy who's already on the ground.
Speaker 1: To the extent there was a fight between two people,
Speaker 1: the white guy in the white T shirt lost to
Speaker 1: the extent he represented a threat to anyone. He no
Speaker 1: longer represented a threat he was on the ground, and
Speaker 1: yet the people continue to pour over and kick him
Speaker 1: and punch him, step on him, kick him in the head.
Speaker 1: And then, if you think things can't get any worse,
Speaker 1: some random dudes, seemingly out of nowhere, just hauls off
Speaker 1: and punches a seemingly innocent woman, certainly not representing any
Speaker 1: threat to society or anybody there in the crowd. Punches
Speaker 1: are square in the face and knocks her out, lay
Speaker 1: on their on the ground, completely knocked out and bleeding.
Speaker 1: Will there be any accountability? And here's a test for
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati and its residence. How many people
Speaker 1: do you think were around there?
Speaker 3: Joe?
Speaker 1: You would say about one hundred you ever take, just
Speaker 1: to pull out of my sphincter. Number a lot of people,
Speaker 1: which means a lot of witnesses. And everyone had their
Speaker 1: camera out. You're right, Joe, And that's one of the
Speaker 1: criticisms been coming out. We're gonna have Ken Cobra on
Speaker 1: And that was one of the things that he commented on.
Speaker 1: Why is it that everybody was standing around with their
Speaker 1: video cameras out and there was only one nine to
Speaker 1: one one call apparently one police didn't even know about it.
Speaker 1: How do you expect law enforcement to come in and
Speaker 1: render assistance in times of societal breakdown if nobody bothers
Speaker 1: to alert the police department. That's going on question number two.
Speaker 1: Don't you think when there's a crowd of ninety thousand
Speaker 1: people gathered for a music festival in downtown Cincinnati there
Speaker 1: might be a well, I don't know, perhaps substantial police
Speaker 1: presence around. I don't know that they necessarily have been
Speaker 1: standing at fourth and Elm Street. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: rather innocuous area. That's where it all went down. But
Speaker 1: with that many people around, how many witnesses do you
Speaker 1: think could identify the people who were responsible for engaging
Speaker 1: in this horrific activity? Asked yourself this, If it was
Speaker 1: one of your family members and you knew that they
Speaker 1: were the ones that punched that woman directly in the face,
Speaker 1: would you drop a dime on a family member? If
Speaker 1: it was your buddy from down the street that you
Speaker 1: hang out with, would you let the police know that
Speaker 1: it was your buddy from down the street that you
Speaker 1: can't identify as the person who just beat the living
Speaker 1: crap out of that guy or punched that woman square
Speaker 1: in the face when she was bothering no one. If
Speaker 1: there were more people in the world that would be
Speaker 1: willing to do that in the name of law and order.
Speaker 1: Maybe we would have fewer incidents like this, but we're
Speaker 1: on the map now, folks. Elon Musk even commented on it,
Speaker 1: and I was reminded in so far as nobody nobody
Speaker 1: bothering to call the police or render assistance, except maybe
Speaker 1: the woman got punched in the face, anybody bothering to
Speaker 1: render assistance there was more likely got to get beat down.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those things. Wait a second, am
Speaker 1: I going to risk my neck to go and try
Speaker 1: to help a total stranger who's the subject of an
Speaker 1: absolute brutal assault? Here? I am one guy. M that
Speaker 1: looks like there's twenty people taking a turn of beating
Speaker 1: somebody up. Is there anything I can do about it?
Speaker 1: To render eight or assistance? Now, let me get my
Speaker 1: cell phone on just video it. How about doing a
Speaker 1: nine to one one call first, just to make sure
Speaker 1: someone has called the police, and then move on with
Speaker 1: videotaping so you can be the one with the viral
Speaker 1: video online. I don't know, maybe there's a presumption in
Speaker 1: the entire crowd that somebody had to have called the police.
Speaker 1: This is getting out of hand, But Coober who will
Speaker 1: be on again seven oh five FOP president criticizing the
Speaker 1: bystanders for recording the incident rather than intervening the help.
Speaker 1: And I guess I can understand again on some level
Speaker 1: why someone might not want to get in the middle
Speaker 1: of the melee to help, for fear for their own
Speaker 1: safety and perhaps life. But it reminded me of the
Speaker 1: last episode of Seinfeld. Remember they got arrested for violating
Speaker 1: the community's good Samaritan law by not intervening to help
Speaker 1: a victim of a crime. They just stood there and
Speaker 1: watched and made jokes about it. That's what we're witnessing
Speaker 1: here that last Seinfeld episode. I think it was nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight. So here's life's imitating a comedy to some degree,
Speaker 1: although perhaps the Seinfeld episode was in fact inspired by
Speaker 1: life and reality. More people are willing to stand around
Speaker 1: and not do a damn thing than help out their
Speaker 1: well brother, man or sister, as the case may be
Speaker 1: unbelievable and a great ad campaign. And let me ask
Speaker 1: this question out loud for anybody who's been paying attention
Speaker 1: to the you know, I always give Joe credit, Joe
Speaker 1: Drecker credit for being Internet research guru and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm considering myself pretty decent when it comes to internet research.
Speaker 1: Both of us this morning searching somewhere for some statement
Speaker 1: from the mayor aft tab parval. Both of us came
Speaker 1: up with nothing. The only reference to aff tab Parvall
Speaker 1: was from others saying, how come we haven't heard from
Speaker 1: the mayor of the city of Cincinnati on this issue. Hell,
Speaker 1: the vice mayor showed up and at least said something
Speaker 1: to the press. If you were the mayor of the
Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati, don't you think it'd be critically important
Speaker 1: for you to get out there and say something, maybe
Speaker 1: supportive of the police, maybe can condemn the violence. Something. Hell,
Speaker 1: it's an easy thing to come up with a statement
Speaker 1: under these circumstances. You got people of all political stripes
Speaker 1: condemning it. How can you do anything otherwise? Not a peep?
Speaker 1: Where is he anyway? Seven five eighteen fifty five KC
Speaker 1: Talk station Mark, Hang on a minute, brother, if you
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Speaker 1: very happy Monday to you trying to make it so anyway,
Speaker 1: feel free to call interested in your thoughts and comments
Speaker 1: about the brawl downtown, and Mark is on the phone. Mark,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for holding over the breake there. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Morning Show.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Brian. You stated a lot of things that
Speaker 4: I was already thinking, so I won't waste time repeating that,
Speaker 4: but I will say some things that maybe you're not
Speaker 4: able to or you know, I don't know you. I
Speaker 4: know you don't have anybody telling you what you think
Speaker 4: to say it can't say but correct.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked.
Speaker 4: About violence in this city, and let's face it, in
Speaker 4: every other major city across the gun and you know,
Speaker 4: the elephant in the room is not the Amish kids
Speaker 4: doing it. It's not the Indian kids, the Japanese kids,
Speaker 4: it's not even the white kids. It's always one race
Speaker 4: of people that are committing ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 4: violent crime in this country. And when you see this
Speaker 4: type of behavior, you have people standing around somebody, and
Speaker 4: even if the guy was intoxicated, okay, you have people
Speaker 4: standing around cheering while this guy's literally getting his head
Speaker 4: stomped into the pavement. And they're cheering it. And then
Speaker 4: you have a woman that's trying to come up and
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was his wife, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, obviously what the relationship was there that was
Speaker 4: concerned for his well being. And as she's getting pulled
Speaker 4: backwards by another woman, that's when the guy hauls off
Speaker 4: in pull copser And I mean, my wife showed me
Speaker 4: the video, the second video that was going around with
Speaker 4: this poor woman's laying on the ground, her eyes are
Speaker 4: wide open. My wife thought she was dead at that moment,
Speaker 4: you know, and I heard later that she did regain consciousness,
Speaker 4: but she looked she looked like she was dead. And
Speaker 4: these people are literally cheering and people I'll lose that.
Speaker 4: I'll use that term loosely because it's animal behavior and
Speaker 4: it happens more often than not. But again, if there
Speaker 4: were pats of white teenagers or white people running around
Speaker 4: committing crimes like this, the outrage in the community with
Speaker 4: the absolutely off the charts and this this behavior is overlooked.
Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, Teresa Fiji, she's a choke. And the
Speaker 4: Cincinnati police, my first response was, where's the police presence
Speaker 4: down there? You know, you had and when I heard
Speaker 4: that the music festival was going on this weekend and
Speaker 4: I moved out of Ohio. I got tired of whole
Speaker 4: in the circus down there, and I will never spend
Speaker 4: a dime of money in Hamilton County, down in that
Speaker 4: entertainment so called entertainment district. It's ridiculous the behavior that
Speaker 4: is accepted. And I understand from the police standpoint that
Speaker 4: they've pulled back time and time again because every time
Speaker 4: they turn around and tried to do something, they're accused
Speaker 4: to be racist, they're accused of profiling, their sued, they'd
Speaker 4: lose their job. I have an ex brother in law
Speaker 4: that was a Cincinnati officer that retired from the Cincinnati fource.
Speaker 4: This is going back twenty five years ago. He said
Speaker 4: that the amount of crime that was covered up back
Speaker 4: then by the police department and by the city of
Speaker 4: stuff that went on downtown would blow people's minds, and
Speaker 4: it's still happening today. They were more worried about making
Speaker 4: sure that it wasn't connected to the music festival.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh crap. Well, I mean that anytime you get
Speaker 1: a bunch of people packed in one space, the opportunity
Speaker 1: for something like this to happen is going to increase.
Speaker 1: It's just the normal reality. More interactions with strangers, more
Speaker 1: opportunities to bump into each other, spill a beer on somebody,
Speaker 1: make some sort of off color, offhand comment, more people
Speaker 1: hear at the opp and we seem to be in
Speaker 1: a more violent society. But addressing your racial point, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Mark right as of right now, is this
Speaker 1: a racially motivated attack? One could draw that conclusion, but
Speaker 1: it's never drawn immediately when it's attacked by black folks
Speaker 1: on white folks, but it's immediately assumed that it was
Speaker 1: racial if it's the polar opposite to your point. That's
Speaker 1: why anything the police do has this taint at Oh,
Speaker 1: it was racially motivated, because we live in an inherently
Speaker 1: racial society, and people will jump to that conclusion immediately
Speaker 1: because they get away with it. You know, go ahead
Speaker 1: call it racist. Everybody's accused of being a racist for
Speaker 1: literally anything anybody does anymore, and it's become such a
Speaker 1: default position that, you know, I think people will grown
Speaker 1: callous to it. As a matter of fact. It's funny
Speaker 1: because I've read a couple of op ed pieces on
Speaker 1: that very point of late, go ahead, call me racist.
Speaker 1: Whatever I did, it wasn't born of racism. I had
Speaker 1: a logical, reasonable means or motivation to do whatever I
Speaker 1: did or say whatever I said. And I can defend
Speaker 1: myself all day long. So yeah, I'm not afraid of
Speaker 1: being called racist anymore. But when it is the opposite,
Speaker 1: that rush to conclusion is embraced and parroted, often in
Speaker 1: the press before the facts are known. And anybody listens
Speaker 1: to the morning show knows that I'm not the person
Speaker 1: who will jump to conclusions, and I'm the one that's
Speaker 1: willing to sit down and make the point they listen,
Speaker 1: keep your popcorn out, wait for the information to come out.
Speaker 1: It's easy to draw conclusions based upon what you saw,
Speaker 1: but you really don't know why did the fight start.
Speaker 1: Maybe the guy that got the beat down, un deserved
Speaker 1: as it was, Maybe he said something horrific to the
Speaker 1: guy who started the fight with him. We don't know.
Speaker 1: But whatever that, if that happened, does it justify the reaction?
Speaker 1: Does it justify a crowd of people who you know?
Speaker 1: And here's an assumption I will draw the vast majority
Speaker 1: of people I'm sure have no idea what started that interaction.
Speaker 1: Maybe a handful of them did, but I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: that twenty or thirty people that appear to have joined
Speaker 1: in the beat down really had some understanding of what
Speaker 1: started it. They just saw somebody beating this guy on
Speaker 1: the ground and thought it was a funny thing. So
Speaker 1: this is the kind of discussion that arises after something
Speaker 1: like this, and it's an important discussion to have, and
Speaker 1: it's an important analysis to walk through. But stepping back
Speaker 1: from whatever brought about this horrific event, what we see, though,
Speaker 1: cannot be supported or justified. There is no one on
Speaker 1: this planet who can say that that was appropriate or
Speaker 1: acceptable by way of behavior from the folks that joined
Speaker 1: in and just continually pounded that guy into the pavement
Speaker 1: and then just again Cole cocked up seemingly innocent woman.
Speaker 1: I'll underscore seemingly again because I don't know. But the
Speaker 1: video evidence does not suggest she was doing anything other
Speaker 1: than trying to render aid. Five twenty eight fifty five
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Speaker 2: Here's what's trending now.
Speaker 1: Three seven eight Hundy two three talk found by fifty
Speaker 1: on eighteen and t phone. He's something Joe Drecker observed
Speaker 1: that I hadn't caught on too, that they didn't start
Speaker 1: reporting in the local news until six pm Saturday evening
Speaker 1: for something that happened, this horrific event that happened overnight
Speaker 1: on our Friday night at three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: nobody was reporting on it. The only reason, Joe concludes
Speaker 1: he's allowed to hear reach his own conclusions. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's because it went viral on Facebook and elsewhere in
Speaker 1: social media. The video was posted all over the place.
Speaker 1: How could you do? How could you not report on
Speaker 1: this incident any other interesting component? And again I wasn't
Speaker 1: watching Sherry Pallo or Atrician Mackie. They claimed they weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to show the video because they didn't have permission.
Speaker 1: Is that the gist of it, Joe, That's what they said. Well,
Speaker 1: let me just throw a giant Barbara streisand flag on
Speaker 1: that this was a public, outdoor thing. They got, you
Speaker 1: don't need permission from anybody to post the video, most
Speaker 1: notably since it literally was viral on the internet. Oh look, look,
Speaker 1: I can report about a story that's on the internet
Speaker 1: and involves a viral video. Let me see what Tom's
Speaker 1: got this morning. Tom, Welcome to the Morning Show and
Speaker 1: happy Monday to you.
Speaker 4: Hey, good morning. I hope you had a good weekend.
Speaker 1: Well, actually I had a great weekend other than having to,
Speaker 1: you know, psychologically deal with the sad reality of what
Speaker 1: we're talking about this morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, and it looked like next weekend ought to be
Speaker 4: really nice weatherwise. I took a peek of the forecast
Speaker 4: down the road here Thursday, Friday, canaday. We're gonna get
Speaker 4: some relief from this heat.
Speaker 1: So, oh, thank you. There you go, Tom, There you go.
Speaker 1: Looking for something positive in the world.
Speaker 4: Good man, I'm nothing if I'm not positive thinking brou
Speaker 4: uh uh. Anyway, Yeah, it basically comes down to who's
Speaker 4: willing to scream the loudest and make the biggest fuss uh.
Speaker 4: You know, kind of like the five year old in
Speaker 4: the store doesn't get his way. I'm gonna scream and
Speaker 4: chess and throw myself on the ground and act like
Speaker 4: I'm dying.
Speaker 3: It's the same.
Speaker 4: Old thing, nothing new, So you have one. One side
Speaker 4: of the argument is easily trying to to be uh.
Speaker 4: I don't know, to have some order to it, try
Speaker 4: to figure out what's going on, put a little you know, reason,
Speaker 4: and then they lose their cool little bit here and there,
Speaker 4: but you know, hey, let's figure this out. And then
Speaker 4: the other side is just flailing and screaming in one
Speaker 4: hundred percent of motion because they're not getting their way.
Speaker 4: And that's what it comes down to, doing this, this
Speaker 4: whole thing with with crime downtown. These people want to
Speaker 4: be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want,
Speaker 4: however they want. They don't want to be stopped. So
Speaker 4: as soon as someone tries to stop them, they'll come
Speaker 4: up with anything they can scream and yell and holler
Speaker 4: or whatever and to make a fuss so that you'll leave.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, well I'm going to leave them a little whoa.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be involved in that. Now you
Speaker 4: got to be involved in it. You got to step
Speaker 4: in and go if if you have any responsibility in this,
Speaker 4: you got to step in and say no, that's not okay,
Speaker 4: not gonna deal with it. Here's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to scream and yell like you are,
Speaker 4: but I'm going to take this away or I'm going
Speaker 4: to not do this or I'm going to do my
Speaker 4: job and do this. And I know it's difficult because
Speaker 4: these people are flailing and screaming and crying, bloody murder
Speaker 4: and all that, but adults have to do the job
Speaker 4: that they've been they've been elected to and hired to do,
Speaker 4: and voters don't vote Democrat. Have a great day, Brian, All.
Speaker 1: Right, thanks Tom. Appreciated police Chief Scott Hughes a Hamilton Township.
Speaker 1: It had some interesting comments as well. There were a
Speaker 1: bunch of people, noted notables city officials that actually came
Speaker 1: out loud and said something. Vice Marilyn Kearney said something.
Speaker 1: Cecil Thomas offering an opinion. Mark Jefferies since at countsmen
Speaker 1: offered an opinion saying, you know, prosecute them to the
Speaker 1: fullest extent of the law. Yes, exactly. Barney Morinho had
Speaker 1: a comment. Veg Ramaswam he had a comment, Mary have
Speaker 1: to have purval. Nothing as to Hamilton Township police Chief
Speaker 1: Scott Hughes. Before I take a break here, what happened
Speaker 1: on Fourth Street in Cincinnati wasn't just a fight. It
Speaker 1: was a breakdown of order, decency, and accountability. Caught on
Speaker 1: video and cheered on by a crowd. This isn't just
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's problem, it's ours. Two. He pointed out, the incidents
Speaker 1: in the city don't just stay here in the city. Quote.
Speaker 1: The perception of danger ripples across the region, discouraging residents
Speaker 1: from visiting downtown's many events and attractions. Quote. Families stop
Speaker 1: going out, businesses stop investing. Cities lose the very momentum
Speaker 1: they worked to build. This video isn't just another viral moment.
Speaker 1: It's a warning shot. We can either raise our voices
Speaker 1: or watch silence fund the chaos. I thought that was
Speaker 1: one of the more astute comments and well done Scott
Speaker 1: Use Hamilton Township police chief. And maybe that's what there
Speaker 1: wasn't much reporting. Maybe that's why the mayor hasn't said anything.
Speaker 1: He wants to ignore it and pretend as though it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Why because the optics are terrible. If you're
Speaker 1: in Poughkeepsie, Iowa, and you're thinking about moving your business,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I pick on Poughkeepsie. Are you
Speaker 1: going to consider the city of Cincinnati now? Would you
Speaker 1: be like, you know, what it does doesn't sound very
Speaker 1: good down there. I've been reading a lot lately and yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly no, thank you Dad from beyond five point thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Right now, Jay, I will take your call and happy
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Speaker 1: AT and T phones. Over to the phones. Got a
Speaker 1: couple of callers on long. We're going to start with Jay,
Speaker 1: who's kinding up the whole Jay, thanks for holding over
Speaker 1: the break. Welcome back my friend.
Speaker 6: Hey, Thanks Brian, Hey, it's speaking on a violence of
Speaker 6: what's going on downtown. I think there's one organization who
Speaker 6: can who's uniquely qualified to step up and be the
Speaker 6: bridge between the community the police and be in a
Speaker 6: position to mentor and coach and get ahold of these
Speaker 6: young people before they ruin their lives and maybe change
Speaker 6: the culture, and that is the NAACP. They're very vocal,
Speaker 6: they're very welsome, want well connected, politically well funded, and
Speaker 6: it strikes me that if this was the other way
Speaker 6: around it, there was a there was a black person
Speaker 6: that was beat down by a group of white people,
Speaker 6: they would have already been organized and marching in the streets.
Speaker 4: But where are they now?
Speaker 6: And maybe they've made a statement.
Speaker 4: I want to be fair to them.
Speaker 6: But unless we want Cincinnati to turn into Detroit, and
Speaker 6: it looks like that's the trajectory that it's going, that
Speaker 6: it's going on where there's abandoned houses and empty factories
Speaker 6: and no more investment, that somebody and some of these
Speaker 6: community organizations better step up and not be real judicious
Speaker 6: about what the situation is. If if the community needs
Speaker 6: help and the community needs support, and if somebody needs
Speaker 6: to step in and coach and mentor and get in
Speaker 6: front of this thing.
Speaker 7: Then I'm waiting to hear from the NAAS, who again
Speaker 7: I think has all the funding, has all the influence
Speaker 7: they can get in front of this, and I would
Speaker 7: love to hear from them on what their ideas are
Speaker 7: of what the root cause is the corrective action here.
Speaker 1: Jay, I think it's an outstanding idea. I really do.
Speaker 1: I can't think of, you know, better use of their
Speaker 1: organization's you know, microphone, their power, their platform. Yeah, it'll
Speaker 1: be nice to see them come out and try to
Speaker 1: support law enforcement and tell the community you know, listen,
Speaker 1: this is just unacceptable. We can I don't think it's
Speaker 1: it's even in dispute that what we saw cannot be defended.
Speaker 1: So why not join in the ever growing number of
Speaker 1: people who have actually come out normally folks that you
Speaker 1: might not associate with being tough on crime, saying we
Speaker 1: need to prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
Speaker 1: We need to find the people who did this and
Speaker 1: prosecute them. Prosecutor's office and we judges who are willing
Speaker 1: to meet out the highest level of punishment to serve
Speaker 1: as a deterrent to others who might consider this to
Speaker 1: be an appropriate way of addressing the a breakdown situation.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, I'm not gonna be involved in this.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go over and kick a guy when
Speaker 1: he's on the ground. I saw what happened to the
Speaker 1: last guy who did that, and he's serving time. I'll pass.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the point of a criminal justice system, Larry,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Thanks for calling this morning, and
Speaker 1: happy Monday to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, happy Monday. Hey.
Speaker 8: People call him this a fight.
Speaker 9: I didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't see a fight. All I saw was this
Speaker 8: poor god shielding his self. I didn't see him throwing
Speaker 8: any punches, and when he got foot knocked to the ground.
Speaker 9: He was gret people were trying to kick him.
Speaker 4: They were kicking, they.
Speaker 8: Were kicking him, and he was trying to grab their
Speaker 8: legs well and shield hisself from the attack. A fight
Speaker 8: is when two people fight each other and.
Speaker 1: Larry but the only point only. You're not wrong on that,
Speaker 1: but most people, at least as I understand it, aren't
Speaker 1: walking around just constantly filming random people, not engaged in
Speaker 1: physical altercations or verbal altercations. So what's missing here is
Speaker 1: the five minutes or however many minutes leading up to
Speaker 1: the moment the video begins when it does look like
Speaker 1: some people are engaged in some kind of quarrel, the
Speaker 1: guy that ultimately got the severe beatdown and one other guy.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but what we do have is
Speaker 1: everything that happened after that, which is the unacceptable, inexcusable
Speaker 1: conduct of so many people. Right.
Speaker 8: Well, I saw a report this morning come on my
Speaker 8: phone that they they got footage now before it started,
Speaker 8: what was what started it? But anyway, also, yeah, that's
Speaker 8: what it come on my phone. I don't know where
Speaker 8: it's at or whatever, what station or what news stations.
Speaker 8: But sure, wonder what the result would have been if
Speaker 8: this poor guy pulled a nine millimeter glock out of
Speaker 8: his waistband and started defending himself by shooting these people.
Speaker 8: Wonder what would have what would have.
Speaker 1: Well happened from from a legal perspective, If you fear
Speaker 1: for your life and that fear is legitimate, and I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody can argue that the man that is
Speaker 1: getting kicked and beaten on the ground had a legitimate
Speaker 1: fear that he was gonna get killed, right, then then
Speaker 1: you're justifiable and using deadly force. The question is who's
Speaker 1: the recipient of the deadly force. Is it someone who's
Speaker 1: administering the beatdown that gave rise to your legitimate concern
Speaker 1: or is it some random individual filming in the crowd
Speaker 1: that takes the bullet that you intend for the person
Speaker 1: beating you down. There's your critical problem when it comes
Speaker 1: to self defense and the use of deadly force. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot you got to process in your head
Speaker 1: before you use deadly force. And that's why it comes
Speaker 1: down to the instant time, moment and time. Was it
Speaker 1: reasonable at the time for you to believe your life
Speaker 1: was in jeopardy or you're in fear of grievous bodily horrible.
Speaker 1: He was experiencing grievous bodily harm right then, So yes,
Speaker 1: I think under those circumstances, deadly force may have been justifiable.
Speaker 1: But in the aftermath, and when we all look at
Speaker 1: it with a lens of twenty hindsight, did the person
Speaker 1: who got the bullet? Is that the person who was
Speaker 1: deserving of the bullet because they were the one that
Speaker 1: gave rise to that fear. It's a tough thing to
Speaker 1: have to contend with when you're the one that's getting
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Speaker 1: a happy Monday. Of course, rather depressing subject matter this
Speaker 1: morning on the fifky five KRCY Morning Show, given what
Speaker 1: happened a downten since NATI over the weekend. Subject matter
Speaker 1: of conversation going on here in the morning show. Several
Speaker 1: callers in the last hour, You're welcome to chime in,
Speaker 1: love to hear what you have to say. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,
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Speaker 1: FLP President's going to join us in an hour to
Speaker 1: talk about that. He was interviewed by Local twelve. Got
Speaker 1: a couple of comments from kend to talk about here
Speaker 1: in a moment, Christopher Smitheman with a Monday Morning Smith
Speaker 1: event from the former vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Ge I wonder what he's gonna say. Yeah, it is Monday.
Speaker 1: We'll still do money money with Brian James. Fed meeting tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of discussion about whether or not to
Speaker 1: be a rate change. Some are hoping it goes down,
Speaker 1: some are suggesting it needs to go up because of inflation,
Speaker 1: tariff deal with the European Union, congratulations of Trump fifteen percent,
Speaker 1: and a promise of billions of dollars investment from Europe.
Speaker 1: Some I'm critical of that. I know the Wall Street
Speaker 1: Journal didn't think it was that great of a deal,
Speaker 1: but they're allowed, They're entitled to their opinion. I'm just
Speaker 1: happy it got resolved. We'll have to sit back and
Speaker 1: wait and find out how it impacts us, but most
Speaker 1: people applauding the effort. Corporate earnings coming out this week
Speaker 1: as well those subjects with Brian James. At eight oh five,
Speaker 1: Rabbi rijn returns to the program we've had him on previously.
Speaker 1: He's going to talk about the Robling Bridge protest. Apparently
Speaker 1: he's under the impression it didn't accomplish what it was
Speaker 1: supposed to because of the shut down of the bridge
Speaker 1: and the subsequent police involvement and arrests of those who
Speaker 1: were violating the law by shutting down the bridge. So
Speaker 1: Rabbi John in studio, looking forward to seeing him again
Speaker 1: the informative opinions he has. Uh, let us see here
Speaker 1: real quick here before I get to the calls in
Speaker 1: Matt and Bobby just to hold on a moment. Ken
Speaker 1: Kober again interviewed by Channel twelve, I said, obviously we
Speaker 1: have the videos. We know we're going to be able
Speaker 1: to have some help there and figure out who the
Speaker 1: people are. The police have already interviewed the victims of
Speaker 1: the beat down. They're going to be using the city
Speaker 1: cameras in the area, which we haven't seen yet. To
Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge, that has not been released yet.
Speaker 1: But apparently there are some city cameras that captured some
Speaker 1: or maybe even all of this, and there have been
Speaker 1: some who have made have tippedaled. Several tips have been received.
Speaker 1: He's asking the public for itself, saying quo, there are
Speaker 1: still some people that have not been identified. Me that
Speaker 1: suggests to me they've already identified some of the perps.
Speaker 1: I would ask the public play a part in this
Speaker 1: because stuff like this shouldn't happen in our city, but
Speaker 1: when it does, we need people to step forward. That
Speaker 1: way we can bring these people to justice. Amen. And
Speaker 1: I mentioned at the last hour, if this was a
Speaker 1: buddy of yours from down the street, you were there.
Speaker 1: You watched him walk over and start beating on a
Speaker 1: man who's already on the ground, or you know the
Speaker 1: guy that punched that woman square in the face, but
Speaker 1: have to be an acquaintance of yours, maybe even a
Speaker 1: family member. Would you call the police and let them
Speaker 1: know who that guy is if you know definitively it
Speaker 1: was someone you were there, I saw it. It was
Speaker 1: that guy. It's Joe from down the block. Now we
Speaker 1: live in a world where we're willing to alienate our
Speaker 1: own family members because they happen to be Trump supporters.
Speaker 1: If you're not going to pick up a phone call
Speaker 1: and call your brother, your sister because you disagree with
Speaker 1: them politically, don't you think this is a bigger thing
Speaker 1: thing to want to just sort of terminate a friendship
Speaker 1: or a relationship over. I don't want to be friends
Speaker 1: with someone who would punch up and walk up and
Speaker 1: punch a woman square in the face for any reason.
Speaker 1: That's not someone I want to be associated with. And
Speaker 1: we've got multitude of people down there, you who you
Speaker 1: know who the ones were that were committing all these
Speaker 1: heinous acts of violence. You maybe even have information to
Speaker 1: know how the whole thing started. That would be helpful
Speaker 1: for police, and you'd serve as an example to everybody
Speaker 1: else out in the world that you should cooperate with
Speaker 1: police and you should bring these folks to justice. But
Speaker 1: there but for the grace of God, go I. Next
Speaker 1: time you're downtime, maybe you're enjoying a show at the
Speaker 1: Brady Center, you walk out and you get punched in
Speaker 1: the face for no reason. If that kind of crime
Speaker 1: does not go unaddressed, if that person who would do
Speaker 1: something like this does not go through the criminal justice
Speaker 1: system and is not a hell accountable to the fullest
Speaker 1: extent of the law, it's just gonna invite more of
Speaker 1: this kind of thing to happen, and it's going to
Speaker 1: further further reduce the city of Cincinnati as a great
Speaker 1: destination for investment or perhaps to live in. It's a
Speaker 1: great ad campaign for the city, isn't it? And the
Speaker 1: silence is definiting from ayor aftab Provoll's office, since there
Speaker 1: has literally been no statement from the office that either
Speaker 1: just Trek or I could find as of the start
Speaker 1: of the morning show. We've got a lot of other
Speaker 1: elected officials and public officials and noted notables. We've got
Speaker 1: the chief of Police talking, We've got the Vice mayor talking,
Speaker 1: We've got other elected officials.
Speaker 3: You had vv.
Speaker 1: Ramaswami speaking on the subject.
Speaker 3: Vv.
Speaker 1: Ramaswami. You got Elon Musk speaking on the subject. It's
Speaker 1: made national news, folks, and a silence from the mayor's office.
Speaker 1: Of all the offices, you would expect an elected official
Speaker 1: to speak from and speak to this event. You would
Speaker 1: think that he would be right out front. Who's first, Joe, Matt,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Morning Show. Thanks for calling.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just had a quick comment about the the
Speaker 10: other caller that was talking about you know, if the
Speaker 10: if the gentleman had like a gun or something and
Speaker 10: trying to defend himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the use of deadly force.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would almost guarantee you Knnie Pillach would prosecute
Speaker 10: the person who did that. See, I can almost guarantee
Speaker 10: because she is a terrible prosecutor. And it's one of
Speaker 10: those things where every office and every vote matters.
Speaker 1: I understand, but you see, if a public perception is
Speaker 1: wait a second, I don't care what political stripe you are, Matt,
Speaker 1: but if you are getting the living crap beaten out
Speaker 1: of you, and it is reasonable to expect your life
Speaker 1: may and or you are suffering from and experiencing grievous
Speaker 1: bodily harm. You have the legal right to use self defense.
Speaker 1: Deadly force is okay and it's lawful, so I completely agree.
Speaker 10: I completely agree with that, But I still think Kanye
Speaker 10: Pillage would would prosecute the person.
Speaker 1: I don't really do yeah, but in terms of politics,
Speaker 1: I don't know that would necessarily do or any good.
Speaker 1: I think there will be public outrage expressed over the prosecution.
Speaker 1: And you know the old adage, I'd rather be I'd
Speaker 1: rather put my hands in the hands of twelve people
Speaker 1: that will be dead, you know what I mean, put
Speaker 1: my life in the hands of twelve people or die.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the former. Can always count on
Speaker 1: maybe a jury acquitting you because you were justified in
Speaker 1: your use of deadly force. That's what it comes down to,
Speaker 1: reasonable under the circumstances, and I think this is the
Speaker 1: use of deadly force under the circumstances I put it
Speaker 1: on the last hour is really troubling because there are
Speaker 1: so many people around. I mean, I think there's some
Speaker 1: expectation that someone is gonna use deadly force. Has to
Speaker 1: account for the fact that, well, maybe I'll miss and
Speaker 1: I'll keep shoot an innocent bystander. The use of deadly
Speaker 1: force may be reasonable and justified, but a concern human
Speaker 1: being might hesitate for a moment, and then, of course
Speaker 1: instilled in the public perception is exactly the point you're making,
Speaker 1: which is, wait a second, if you had time to
Speaker 1: process it under the circumstances, and this is I mean,
Speaker 1: moments matter. Under these circumstances, you don't have a whole
Speaker 1: lot of time to kick back and sort of contemplate,
Speaker 1: you know, the ethics and morality, the legality. You're getting
Speaker 1: the crap beat out of you. But then that little
Speaker 1: voice like you said, well, if I do use deadly force,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get prosecuted. And that's an image and
Speaker 1: a perception. I think that the left and anti gun folks,
Speaker 1: that's what they want. They want people to be so
Speaker 1: fearful that they will not even protect their lives when
Speaker 1: they have the ability to do it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going with a jury. Bobby, Welcome to the Morning Show.
Speaker 1: Happy Monday to you, Happy Monday.
Speaker 11: My friend. Thanks for taking my call. And we're not.
Speaker 1: All peer bongers. Okay, I think you understand what I
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 11: It doesn't matter if it's Chicago or wherever else it is,
Speaker 11: dog islands in the streets. People have to protect themselves
Speaker 11: and be vigilant of what goes on around them.
Speaker 1: I got a friend in Iowa that's listening right now.
Speaker 1: In Davenport, Iowa. He said they had a very similar incident.
Speaker 1: Nobody reported on it, there was no video of it,
Speaker 1: but in Davenport, Iowa, he said, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: just your city, man, It's going all over the place.
Speaker 1: They had a red, White and Boom festival fireworks show,
Speaker 1: and you know, things went awry.
Speaker 11: I just try to give advice to people and tell
Speaker 11: them the truth.
Speaker 3: Be vigilant.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's like family and firearms. If you have those,
Speaker 11: you always keep your freedom. Yep, you better think about it,
Speaker 11: because it doesn't matter where you go. There's evil everywhere. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 11: some of the most evil people in the world had
Speaker 11: a nice smile.
Speaker 1: Yes indeed. Well, and you know what, you could be
Speaker 1: walking in the woods and next thing you know, you're
Speaker 1: being attacked by a vicious grizzly bear or something. It's
Speaker 1: nice at that point to have a forty five seventy
Speaker 1: on you, or maybe a five hundred magnum any event.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Hey, Angus, we got time for Angus, Joe
Speaker 1: real fat. Let's take your call. Angus, we're out a
Speaker 1: time to go ahead? It's okay angers.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Hey Brian, did the drones respond to this?
Speaker 1: I appreciate the little interjection of levity, Angus. I understand
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. It's obviously a very tragic situation.
Speaker 1: But whenever you can chuckle at something, I think that's
Speaker 1: probably a good thing. I don't know what a drone
Speaker 1: would have done. Can anybody answer that question? The police
Speaker 1: weren't even aware that this was going on? Which path
Speaker 1: was asked a larger question. Wait a second, you got
Speaker 1: a music festival with ninety thousand people and they're pouring
Speaker 1: out of it. There's gonna be people milling in the street.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be exiting bars post a concert, bars closed
Speaker 1: it too. People are pouring out in the streets. If
Speaker 1: you're police chief, where do you think you might want
Speaker 1: to allocate recent sources? He asked out loud, scratching his head,
Speaker 1: wondering why there weren't police standing right there. Six sixteen
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Speaker 1: an hour Christopher Smith and I G I wonder what
Speaker 1: he's going to be talking about this morning anyway. You
Speaker 1: know the interesting comment from police chief three SOHIGI. She
Speaker 1: has actually came out in issuative statement six p m. Saturday,
Speaker 1: of course, many hours after the altercation, but she said
Speaker 1: the behavior show of the video nothing short of cruel
Speaker 1: and absolutely unacceptable. Of course you're just tuning in. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the uh, the fight, the beat down individueen
Speaker 1: kicked and stomped on by folks after he had already
Speaker 1: been incapacitated laying in the street, followed by a woman
Speaker 1: getting punched in the face Colecock knocked out. That was
Speaker 1: the I think one of the more horrific elements of
Speaker 1: the video. But you're entitled your own conclusions on that.
Speaker 1: She said, I'm in complete disgust waking up to the
Speaker 1: viral video. Many of you now seeing the behavior displayed
Speaker 1: nothing sort of cool and absolutely unacceptable. Our investigative team
Speaker 1: is working diligently to identify every individual involved in causing harm.
Speaker 1: She claimed it was not connected in any way to
Speaker 1: the music fest, and something else that was echoed by
Speaker 1: some of the other elected officials that actually came on record,
Speaker 1: absent have Purval, who hasn't said a word anybody's understanding
Speaker 1: at this moment. I mean, it was a connected in
Speaker 1: some way of the music fest, because that's what brought
Speaker 1: all the people downtown Cincinnati. But I don't know what
Speaker 1: the verbal altercation that she concluded led to this horrific
Speaker 1: beatdown was about. Maybe it was about one of the
Speaker 1: musical acts that performed. But here's the trouble. In comment,
Speaker 1: as reported by WCPOS, Molly Shramp, a spokesperson for the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department, told us before Fiji's statement that they
Speaker 1: were not aware of the incident until the videos were posted. Huh,
Speaker 1: so there was literally no police presence at all in
Speaker 1: the general area, and of course if nobody bothers calling
Speaker 1: nine to one one and apparently they only got one
Speaker 1: nine one one call among all the throng of people
Speaker 1: that were involved or they're witnessing this, only one person bothered,
Speaker 1: and a lot of criticism of people standing around videoing
Speaker 1: something when they should have been rendering assistance to those Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's easy to say that, but if
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of a melee like that and
Speaker 1: the idea of you rendering assistance may mean that you're
Speaker 1: the one in the middle of the street getting kicked
Speaker 1: and beaten down because you're so outnumbered. Referencing the woman
Speaker 1: who got punched in the face, who appeared to be
Speaker 1: a person who was looking into rendering aid or otherwise
Speaker 1: checking on the condition of the individual that had gotten
Speaker 1: the crap beat out of them. She gets punched in
Speaker 1: the face for no reason at all, left unconscious. Mark Jeffries,
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be right since the accounts with Mark Jeffries said
Speaker 1: incredibly disturbing and horrific, downright inhumane. He said he's spoken
Speaker 1: with other city officials and police to work on finding
Speaker 1: individuals responsible and arrest them urgently. Quote. This behavior cannot
Speaker 1: stand and will not represent our city. Those responsible must
Speaker 1: be held accountable and prosecuted the fullest extent of the law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we need to hear. Props to Mark Jeffries
Speaker 1: for saying the important part out loud. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: Will there be followed through? How do you rehabilitate a
Speaker 1: city's repute is being soft on crime and we've got
Speaker 1: one of those and overcome the challenges that this type
Speaker 1: of incident represents for the city and its efforts to
Speaker 1: grow and expand and attract businesses and individuals to live
Speaker 1: in the City of Cincinnati. You know how you do that.
Speaker 1: You lock people up and prosecute them to the full
Speaker 1: sixtent of the law. We are a law and order
Speaker 1: city here in the City of Cincinnati. The old days
Speaker 1: are gone. We are now all about law enforcement. Don't
Speaker 1: do the crime, or you're going to do the time.
Speaker 1: Isn't that a better message to project to the nation
Speaker 1: and even the world. You know, it's kind of funny
Speaker 1: what I was doing prep for the show yesterday. This
Speaker 1: was reported in the Hindu Times front page of Fox
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Speaker 1: Anybody have any solutions? What can be done? This where
Speaker 1: we in the societal collapse got to ask out loud
Speaker 1: seemingly we are anyhow of course, referring to the brown
Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati, that just animal behavior from people, animalistic. Go
Speaker 1: ahead and make an argument to the contrary. I don't
Speaker 1: there's anybody in a human being alive that could justify
Speaker 1: that kind of treatment of another human being. I don't
Speaker 1: even care what the original fight was about. Moving on
Speaker 1: the other things did happen over the weekend. Fairfield of Hio.
Speaker 1: We got a person shot Sunday morning at a speedway
Speaker 1: gas station on Dixie Highway or in Fairfield. Shooting started
Speaker 1: as a physical fight in the parking lot of the
Speaker 1: seventy three hundred Dixie Highway. Police said two men injured,
Speaker 1: only one shot shooting victim taking to Mercy Hospital airlifted
Speaker 1: UC Medical Center. As of the reporting from WC, condition
Speaker 1: currently unknown, and of course at this point there are
Speaker 1: no suspects. They also believe there's no threat to the community,
Speaker 1: which is good.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: Let us see here over to Deerfield Township man arrested
Speaker 1: after an hour's long police stand off having a Deerfield Township,
Speaker 1: prompting emergency alerge to be sent to all Warren County
Speaker 1: residents and others from the surrounding counties. Court of the
Speaker 1: Warren County Sheriff Barely Barry Riley, speaking again with local news,
Speaker 1: WCPO said officers went to a residence on Spring Mill
Speaker 1: Way in the Landon area about noontime to execute an
Speaker 1: arrest warrant a thirty two year old Denzel Pouncy. Pouncey
Speaker 1: had active warrants on charges of strangulation an assault. After
Speaker 1: officers dispatched Friday night to u See, Westchester for report
Speaker 1: of an assault, Warren County Tactical Response Unit breached the
Speaker 1: front door of the residence with explosives before making entry
Speaker 1: and taking this guy in to custody. Riley said three
Speaker 1: others were also taken out of the residence, including Pouncey's fiance.
Speaker 1: No one injured, no shots fired during the breach, Riley said.
Speaker 1: After leaving the scene, wcpo's crew saw damaged doorway at
Speaker 1: the residents. Riley said Pouncy also currently on parole. Long
Speaker 1: criminal history including involuntary manslaughter, aggravated drug trafficking, weapons charges,
Speaker 1: and more. WOW. Crews from multiple law enfortunate enforcement agencies
Speaker 1: were involved, Deerfield Fire and Rescue, Mason Fire and Rescue,
Speaker 1: Monroe Police, and Deerfield Township Police and more. Warren County
Speaker 1: EMA said a press release the alert regarding the incident
Speaker 1: in the Landing area accidentally sent out to a much
Speaker 1: wider area due to what they call a technical malfunction.
Speaker 1: Riley specified they believe it was a computer glitch, not
Speaker 1: human error, saying the dispatcher who sent it out today
Speaker 1: is one of the most experienced, hardest working, best dispatches
Speaker 1: I know in the business. Not his fault. Not only
Speaker 1: sent to all Warren County residents, but also some people
Speaker 1: surrounding counties Hamilton, Butler, Clinton, Claremont, and Green County Geese
Speaker 1: even went to my own Sims Township. I didn't get
Speaker 1: an alert. Technical issue was with the integrated Public Alert
Speaker 1: and Warning system. I pause, and they say it's currently
Speaker 1: being thoroughly investigated with local, state, and federal partners. At
Speaker 1: corner of the Warren County EMA original alert to residents
Speaker 1: sent out about twelve thirty pm, calling for everyone to
Speaker 1: shelter in place. That's a pretty wide swath of the community.
Speaker 1: Third alert, roughly one thirty PM told residents of safety
Speaker 1: alert was canceled. So maybe that glitch will get resolved.
Speaker 1: We can only hope anyhow, if you got some comments
Speaker 1: or thoughts on the melee in Downtownsons and I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear from you, love to have an explanation or
Speaker 1: excuse to how we fixed the problem. One costs to
Speaker 1: person called earlier. It suggest that, you know, it would
Speaker 1: be really important for the NAACP, given all the power
Speaker 1: and cloud that they enjoy and they do, to issue
Speaker 1: a statement maybe calling for calmer reactions, maybe calling for
Speaker 1: some you know, reflection on members of the community generally speaking,
Speaker 1: not members of any particular ethnic group. Everybody. Look, I mean,
Speaker 1: we need people from all levels. This is something Smithman's
Speaker 1: been on a tear and I'm sure he's gonna continue it.
Speaker 1: The silence about the police department and support for police
Speaker 1: and support for law enforcement has been deafening, sort of
Speaker 1: in a state of denial over the crime statistics that
Speaker 1: some statistics are down but many are up. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna believe you're lion eyes or you're gonna believe
Speaker 1: what our public officials say. But in the absence of
Speaker 1: a statement from public officials, you know you don't have
Speaker 1: this showing of uniformity, this showing of collective lockstep approval
Speaker 1: of and support of the police department, and support of
Speaker 1: law and order, and support of civility. Wish more elected
Speaker 1: officials would speak to civility, getting along, living side by
Speaker 1: side with people of all races and colors and creeds.
Speaker 1: We can all enjoy the city of Cincinnati together. Look
Speaker 1: what we've got. I've commented many times over the years,
Speaker 1: how much better my life has been since I moved
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Speaker 1: if you can't stick around for the seven flock hour,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be hearing from FOP President Ken Kober about
Speaker 1: the beatdown over the weekend, the police responds to it,
Speaker 1: and the community's response to Christopher Smith Aman at the
Speaker 1: At seven to twenty. Every Monday, we hear from the
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Speaker 1: Ato five and the return of Rabbi Ari June to
Speaker 1: talk about the Robling Bridge shutdown protest. That'll be at
Speaker 1: eight thirty. He'll be in studio. Looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: your Rabbi. That again eight thirty, let's go to the phone,
Speaker 1: see what Corey's got. Corey, thanks for calling this morning,
Speaker 1: and happy Monday to you.
Speaker 4: Happy Monday. There Brian, Hey, this a couple quick thoughts
Speaker 4: from that. I call it a hate crime that happened
Speaker 4: downtown because remember back a few years ago, the Knockout
Speaker 4: game and all this stuff seems to always be blacking
Speaker 4: against white violence and if they own the unarmed people
Speaker 4: to attack. Because one, Ohio is one of the only
Speaker 4: states in the entire country who's no gun scigns, have
Speaker 4: Corse law, which they know most people will be unarmed.
Speaker 4: More than likely these people were either at the baseball
Speaker 4: game or at that jazz best, which both of them
Speaker 4: disarm you, so you're vulnerable while you're out in public.
Speaker 1: Or or at the bars. I mean these I don't
Speaker 1: think the concert was still going on at the time
Speaker 1: this happened. I think it was reportedly happened at three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, So I think it's probably people
Speaker 1: that were filing out of bars or otherwise enjoying the
Speaker 1: Dora district they have there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, which crazy to why we want to mention
Speaker 4: Ohio one of the states, Like I said, no gun signs. Course,
Speaker 4: the law Kentucky you can carry in a bar and
Speaker 4: you can drink while consuming alcohol, but you cannot be intoxicated.
Speaker 4: So why is it in Ohio if you have one
Speaker 4: ver well carry and that's a fellony, and in Kentucky
Speaker 4: it's not. I think Ohio needs to change that law.
Speaker 4: Then you do a with no gun signs, because it's
Speaker 4: leaving people vulnerable to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, a private property owner who has control over his
Speaker 1: or her private property, I don't think you would want
Speaker 1: some legislative body telling you what you can or cannot
Speaker 1: have in your own home. And that's the way they
Speaker 1: view private property. So if you are of the mind
Speaker 1: that you don't like firearms and think they represent a
Speaker 1: danger to your private business, then I believe you do
Speaker 1: have the right to tell someone they can't bring one in.
Speaker 1: Now you're turning away business, and I think you're creating
Speaker 1: a more opportunity for more violence. But I believe in
Speaker 1: the property right, so I'll disagree with you on that.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a rather interesting thing that Kentucky
Speaker 1: allows people to consume alcohol and carry concealed I don't
Speaker 1: find any problem with that as long as you're not intoxicated.
Speaker 1: But and I don't know if it would solve the problem. Corey,
Speaker 1: what's your reaction if you know that this would have
Speaker 1: been a justifiable use of deadly force. If you were
Speaker 1: that guy getting the crap beat out of him, you
Speaker 1: would have a legitimate fear for your wife life. Who
Speaker 1: would you shoot.
Speaker 4: Anybody that that definitely stopped my head on the ground.
Speaker 4: That is attempted murderer. So I was trying to stunk
Speaker 4: your head into the assphole. I think anybody that was
Speaker 4: participating in that absolutely deserve to.
Speaker 1: Be shot, right, and that would be justifiable.
Speaker 3: Mark.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're in that posi and I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be practical here, Corey, you and I
Speaker 1: see pretty much eye to eye on the right to
Speaker 1: keep him bare arms in the legitimate, reasonable, justifiable use
Speaker 1: of them under certain circumstances. But you know, being experienced
Speaker 1: firearms user and an owner of multiple firearms, if I
Speaker 1: am that guy and I'm on the ground, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure I would be in a position to capably
Speaker 1: operate one. That guy was clearly disoriented, he could barely
Speaker 1: get up some people standing around.
Speaker 4: You have a right to defend others as well, Ah.
Speaker 1: Like the guy at Walmart, Like the guy at Walmart
Speaker 1: going going after the guy that got all stabby on everyone.
Speaker 1: That's how he's being celebrated as a hero. Right now,
Speaker 1: more people in the crowd had firearms and they saw
Speaker 1: someone whose life was in peril, they could have risen
Speaker 1: to the challenge. And maybe that answers the question about
Speaker 1: what you and I are supposed to do as a society.
Speaker 1: If we encounter this, you're obviously outnumbered. There's a multitude
Speaker 1: of people beating the crap out of some defenseless little
Speaker 1: guy on this or guy on the street. So if
Speaker 1: you have a firearm, maybe that's what equalizes the situation,
Speaker 1: so you're less afraid to get involved and help a
Speaker 1: poor man out.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. One other things, speaking of that Walmart attack in Ohio,
Speaker 4: that guy could be charged with menacing or aggravated menacing
Speaker 4: or aggravated assault. As in Ohio, it is illegal to
Speaker 4: brandish a firearm if you do not use it. One
Speaker 4: time you can brandish a firearm is with the actual
Speaker 4: act of shooting somebody exfinitely pulling it out and deterring
Speaker 4: the threat as a crime in Ohio, and that takes
Speaker 4: the bill Sykes under the standard ground wall. A few
Speaker 4: years ago, each took that language out in the Federal's
Speaker 4: committee of the bill to leave it a crime. So
Speaker 4: thank you Bill Sykes for people being in harms way
Speaker 4: in Ohio.
Speaker 1: There you go. Appreciate the shot. Cory, thanks for the
Speaker 1: call as well. Five one three seven, eight hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty two to three talk found five fifty on AT
Speaker 1: and T phones. Yeah, in so far as well or
Speaker 1: not this is a hate crime, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: that earlier caller suggested it might have been racially motivated
Speaker 1: given the two victims, the woman who got just the
Speaker 1: crap punched out of her and the guy that was
Speaker 1: being kicked on the ground. Obviously the black folks were
Speaker 1: beating the crap out of the white guy on the ground,
Speaker 1: But was race a factor? That does not answer the question.
Speaker 1: This is why I always say I'm gonna let cooler
Speaker 1: heads prevail and find out and someone is looking into it.
Speaker 1: Harmead Nolan, the Assistant Attorney General for the US Department
Speaker 1: of Justice Civil Rights Division, had this to saynd it
Speaker 1: our federal hate crimes law applied to all Americans, and
Speaker 1: the division is monitoring how local authorities handled the incident, saying,
Speaker 1: nobody in our great nation should be the victim of
Speaker 1: such a crime, and where race is a motivation federal
Speaker 1: law may apply. She's obviously taking like I am a
Speaker 1: wait and see approach. I'm not going to be quick
Speaker 1: to rush to judgment as to what motivated this. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the two guys are in a verbal
Speaker 1: altercation about that brought about this insane reaction from the crowd.
Speaker 1: I don't like jumy conclusions. Some people get away with
Speaker 1: joemy to conclusions immediately calling something racial or not, and
Speaker 1: quite often they're found to be wrong in their immediate conclusion.
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Speaker 1: You know that video we've been talking about all morning
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one that happened. I know that because
Speaker 1: uh posting on Facebook my friend westside Jim, who's on
Speaker 1: the phone right now, posting another one. Jim, Welcome back man.
Speaker 1: It's always great to hear from you.
Speaker 13: Hey, Brian, Hey, I posted about five or six of them.
Speaker 13: I mean, they're starting to come out of the woodwork.
Speaker 13: You know, about four or five weeks ago, there was
Speaker 13: an article about these four gentlemen coming out of Rubies.
Speaker 1: You remember that, Oh yeah.
Speaker 13: Jump by fifteen or twenty utes. And this is going
Speaker 13: to tell them the community, the business community actually comes
Speaker 13: out and sits down in demands, not talks. I'm tired
Speaker 13: of this talks, and I'm tired of hearing the same
Speaker 13: old rhetoric and bs from our so called people who
Speaker 13: run this city. And until they come out and demand, because.
Speaker 3: That's who's going to hurt.
Speaker 13: I mean, these four guys got jumped, and you can't
Speaker 13: tell me that you and and that is just being facetious,
Speaker 13: but you and your mom want to go to Rubies.
Speaker 13: Well let's go to the suburbs.
Speaker 3: So there is a.
Speaker 12: Positive behind this.
Speaker 13: The suburbs are getting business out of it, where the
Speaker 13: downtown's are hurt. But you know, racial, but I'm sorry,
Speaker 13: go ahead, no, no, there's a definite racial behind this
Speaker 13: because they it's going to get to the point where
Speaker 13: it's going to be black only music festival. Now we
Speaker 13: don't want that.
Speaker 4: We don't want that.
Speaker 13: Now, if these people want to the music festival, and
Speaker 13: there are white people that go to the music festival
Speaker 13: and try to enjoy their.
Speaker 1: Night out, oh my wife's gone many times.
Speaker 13: But for Fiji to come out and say that this
Speaker 13: had nothing to do with the music festival, well, her
Speaker 13: head is so far in the sand, because if you
Speaker 13: look away, these people were dressed. They don't go down
Speaker 13: there at three o'clock in the morning on a Friday
Speaker 13: night and normally walk around in downtown Cincinnati. They were
Speaker 13: coming from the music festival, going to one of the
Speaker 13: doras or a bar. So to me it is attributed
Speaker 13: to the music festival.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, any event where you get a large group
Speaker 1: of people congregating together represents a heightened element for security
Speaker 1: only because so many people who are usually strangers to
Speaker 1: each other congregate together, have an opportunity, as I mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier in the program, to bump into each other, spill
Speaker 1: a beer on someone, getting a verbal altercation. Concentrated people
Speaker 1: equals a higher likelihood of that happening. So yeah, in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, it's related to the music festival.
Speaker 1: But I understand the festival is over. Don't they shut
Speaker 1: those things down at eleven pm? So people work clearly
Speaker 1: at the Dora or at the bars, right. The reason
Speaker 1: they were there was because the news had brought them down.
Speaker 13: Yeah, and also when they come out and Thiji says, well,
Speaker 13: you know she was she was down there playing the
Speaker 13: John Travolta, dancing up in a private box. If I
Speaker 13: was a police chief, I would have been downtown and
Speaker 13: in a car a movie from territory territory and checking
Speaker 13: in on my people. From what I understand, there was
Speaker 13: hardly any police presence downtown.
Speaker 1: And she said she didn't even find out about it
Speaker 1: until the next day when the viral video started circulating. Yeah, correct, the.
Speaker 3: Chief, And that's just disgusting.
Speaker 13: That's terrible for our police chief to do something like that.
Speaker 13: It shows that she's not informed, she's way inconfident about
Speaker 13: the whole matter, and she should have been down there
Speaker 13: with her so called troops and maybe she could have
Speaker 13: been directing a jerne. I know that tongue in cheek,
Speaker 13: but it's just terrible the way the city is going,
Speaker 13: and it's not going to get any better with the
Speaker 13: regime that we have. And I'm talking about the police
Speaker 13: departments upper management. I'm not talking about the troops. The
Speaker 13: troops do their job when they're given the opportunity to
Speaker 13: do their job, and that's the problem. They're not given
Speaker 13: that opportunity.
Speaker 4: If they'd have had a dozen.
Speaker 13: Cops walking around downtown or driving or doing whatever they
Speaker 13: had to do, this would never have happened, or it
Speaker 13: would have been very very short and we wouldn't be
Speaker 13: seeing this on national and international news.
Speaker 1: Right and presumably arrests would have made the evening of
Speaker 1: the attack or the morning of the attack, as opposed
Speaker 1: to them having to go around and try to search
Speaker 1: with search for people using downtown cameras as well as
Speaker 1: the videos that people standing around watching it were taking,
Speaker 1: which they're currently doing so.
Speaker 13: And lastly, Brian for to give them the external wall
Speaker 13: to prosecute them.
Speaker 3: We know what's going to happen.
Speaker 13: It's going to be probation, it's going to be maybe
Speaker 13: ten days in jail or something like that.
Speaker 1: This guy couldn't die.
Speaker 13: That woman could have died if she couldn't bring you.
Speaker 9: Know, and.
Speaker 1: It may very well have one. Her current condition is
Speaker 1: currently unknown. Well, you know, if history, if history is
Speaker 1: a guide your presumption about what is going to happen,
Speaker 1: will be proven true. But doesn't this represent a great
Speaker 1: opportunity to go the opposite direction and demonstrate to the
Speaker 1: entire country that Cincinnati is now a town of law
Speaker 1: and order and we have the days of treating people
Speaker 1: with kid gloves who commit these violent crimes is over.
Speaker 1: I think it's time we can turn a page.
Speaker 4: But they need six months in jail. Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 13: Don't need an attempted motortren for picking up trash on
Speaker 13: the side of the road. They need six months in
Speaker 13: a justice center to see what it's really like when
Speaker 13: they cause problems like this.
Speaker 1: That's what the justice system is supposed to be a
Speaker 1: deterrence for future people who might consider doing something as
Speaker 1: heinous as we witness from over the weekend. Always great
Speaker 1: to hear from you, Jim, Have a great day, my friend.
Speaker 1: Six fifty seven, we're gonna hear from the man who
Speaker 1: is responsible for the troops, the FOP president, Ken Kober
Speaker 1: is going to join the program right after the news,
Speaker 1: followed by Christopher Smithman Today's top stories at the top
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Speaker 1: It's seven five here fifty five k r C the
Speaker 1: talk station. Try to have a happy Monday. And to
Speaker 1: the subject matter we've been focusing on this morning, rather
Speaker 1: disgusting and horrific. And to talk about that subject matter,
Speaker 1: of course, the fight over the weekend, the severe beatdown
Speaker 1: of a man as well as the cole cocking, just
Speaker 1: punching of what a seemingly innocent bystander trying to help
Speaker 1: out render assistance knocked the ground. To speak to that matter,
Speaker 1: the FOP president Ken Kober returns to the morning show.
Speaker 1: Chief or President of the Sin Saint's Fraternal or Police.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you back on, Ken. I wish
Speaker 1: it was under better circumstances, but I appreciate your willingness
Speaker 1: to speak with my listeners of me about this.
Speaker 12: Sure, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me Now.
Speaker 1: The one puzzling thing THREESA Tiji, the chief of police
Speaker 1: said something to the effect that she wasn't even aware
Speaker 1: that this had happened until she saw the viral video
Speaker 1: the following day or that day. Later in the day,
Speaker 1: about six pm, she issued a statement. This was three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. I guess post concert there are
Speaker 1: about ninety thousand people downtown for the concert. Presumably folks
Speaker 1: went to the bars and the Dora district there afterwards,
Speaker 1: and we're still milling around downtown. That seems to be
Speaker 1: an area where you might expect the chief or whoever's
Speaker 1: responsible for allocating resources to have police presence. There doesn't
Speaker 1: appear to be any police involved in the era, even
Speaker 1: in the area. Can you speak to that, Ken, Well.
Speaker 15: You know, you had a lot going on downtown. Go,
Speaker 15: of course, we're spread thin. There's only so many of
Speaker 15: us to go around. You know, we get calls for
Speaker 15: service and we end up.
Speaker 12: Responding to them.
Speaker 15: I mean, that's uh, not the only way you can
Speaker 15: put It was three in the morning, so all the
Speaker 15: events have wrapped up from from music fest, and then
Speaker 15: it was just another another night of the bar downtown.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, well, well I guess did It was reported in
Speaker 1: multiple news outlets there was only one nine to one
Speaker 1: one call. Is that accurate?
Speaker 12: I believe there were two or three.
Speaker 15: But yes, I mean you would think something like this
Speaker 15: that many people there, But yeah, there, I mean, so
Speaker 15: few people call nine one one, and you know, I
Speaker 15: talked about it over the weekend.
Speaker 12: It's it's disgusting.
Speaker 15: That you had people that would rather just watch in
Speaker 15: videotape rather than you know, if you don't want to
Speaker 15: get involved in completely understand, call the police, you know,
Speaker 15: because we can't be everywhere and unless we know something's
Speaker 15: going on.
Speaker 12: You know, you can't get there.
Speaker 15: But the fact that people just stood around and then didn't,
Speaker 15: I mean, there were a couple of people that finally tried,
Speaker 15: you know, to diffuse the situation after or the a
Speaker 15: guy in the grounds getting kicked in the head thirty
Speaker 15: forty times, and.
Speaker 12: Then I guess they decided that was enough.
Speaker 9: Then.
Speaker 15: I mean, it's just an absolute mob mentality and it's nonsense.
Speaker 15: This kind of thing shouldn't be happening in our society.
Speaker 1: No question about it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I understand you're working to identify ever, but he's involved
Speaker 1: quite a few videos floating around. But I also understand
Speaker 1: that city cameras are in or in the area. Are
Speaker 1: there cameras mounted close by to where this unfolded.
Speaker 15: There are cameras there, you know, whether it captured it.
Speaker 15: Some of these cameras are on like an oscillating system.
Speaker 15: So that's all be all part of the investigation. And
Speaker 15: these investigators have been working around the clock, you know,
Speaker 15: to not only identify them, but then to find.
Speaker 12: Out why did this happen.
Speaker 15: You know, there's a lot of speculation as to you know,
Speaker 15: who started it, who didn't start it. But at the
Speaker 15: end of the day, what could have started out as
Speaker 15: a mutual fight that ends when you're on the ground
Speaker 15: and you're getting stomped, Yeah, fifteen twenty people, when you're defenseless,
Speaker 15: that that's not a mutual fight.
Speaker 12: That is just a savage.
Speaker 1: Attack, without question, And I honestly, and when you put
Speaker 1: it in that context, it doesn't matter what started the
Speaker 1: who started the fight. It could have been a guy
Speaker 1: that got the ultimate beat down and was almost murdered
Speaker 1: that night, But does it really matter if he's the
Speaker 1: one that started the whole altercation between one other person,
Speaker 1: It shouldn't at a wit so there was reported Local
Speaker 1: twelve reported Christianhauser has headlined police union leaders she was
Speaker 1: talking to you, I guess says several suspects identified in
Speaker 1: brutal downtown since I attack. Have the police actually identified
Speaker 1: some of the suspects because there's no specific reporting in
Speaker 1: the bulk of the article that says just that.
Speaker 15: Oh, No, they've identified several people already.
Speaker 12: Good been getting tips. You know that they can use
Speaker 12: video cameras.
Speaker 15: That's great, you know the people that want to instead
Speaker 15: of calling the police, I want to sit there and
Speaker 15: videotape this stuff and then put it on the internet.
Speaker 12: It's fantastic because at.
Speaker 15: Least they were doing something, because now it makes it
Speaker 15: a lot easier when the police have several different angles
Speaker 15: to be able to identify some of these perpetrators. Yes,
Speaker 15: there have been people identified. They're still looking to identify
Speaker 15: more people. So why we've asked, you know, people either
Speaker 15: call crime stoppers or call the Central Business Section three
Speaker 15: five two five four four five as the investigator's line
Speaker 15: number to be able to get the rest of these
Speaker 15: people identified.
Speaker 12: So hopefully we'll get them all criminally charged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy to lament the idea that people just
Speaker 1: stand around a video camera things. I personally don't understand that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter my position relative that the last thing
Speaker 1: I ever think of is pulling my phone out to
Speaker 1: even take a picture at a family event. But this
Speaker 1: is very helpful for law enforcement. So even if you're
Speaker 1: not willing to make a phone call to the police
Speaker 1: and say Hey, that was my brother in law that
Speaker 1: punched that woman in the face. But at least they
Speaker 1: took a video of it, so it helped you identify them.
Speaker 1: But that the component that really bothers me so much.
Speaker 1: We live in a world where we're willing to alienate
Speaker 1: family members over politics and not answer the phone or
Speaker 1: call them up anymore and end ties with them. If
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with or otherwise friends or relatives to
Speaker 1: someone who would do something as horrific as just walk
Speaker 1: up and punch a woman right in the face or
Speaker 1: otherwise kick a man while he's obviously incapacitated him down,
Speaker 1: that's not somebody I'd want to hang out with. And
Speaker 1: that's someone I'd be more than happy to drop a
Speaker 1: dime on, oh, without a doubt.
Speaker 15: And you know, and you talk about this time after
Speaker 15: time after time with juvenile violence, adult violence, but what
Speaker 15: I saw on social media this weekend, there were there
Speaker 15: were a group of people that were actually trying to
Speaker 15: defend this guy being savagely beaten and then this woman
Speaker 15: getting knocked out. People are trying to defend it, saying, oh,
Speaker 15: this is okay and this is why, and it's like
Speaker 15: and then kids see this and they're seeing grown adults
Speaker 15: trying to justify these savage attacks, and that's exactly why
Speaker 15: we are where we are as a society.
Speaker 12: It's it's quite honestly, it's really disgusting.
Speaker 1: It is thoroughly disgusting. And while I am happy that
Speaker 1: some of the community leaders came out and spoke to this,
Speaker 1: we had, you know, some council people at Mark Jefferies
Speaker 1: I think was outspoken on and he said they need
Speaker 1: to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Speaker 1: As this morning and Joe and I both did separate
Speaker 1: internet searches. Not a word from the mayor. What's your
Speaker 1: reaction to that? Ken? The silence is deafening, well exactly.
Speaker 15: I mean, you have the Vice mayor that's come out,
Speaker 15: council members, chief has talked about this, and absolutely nothing
Speaker 15: from the mayor.
Speaker 12: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't either, So solutions, I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people calling in making fun of the whole idea of
Speaker 1: where were the drones? Where were the drones? Sort of
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek like what could a drone do? Anyway?
Speaker 1: But in terms of what you would hope to be
Speaker 1: a reaction to this, I mean, I think it represents
Speaker 1: an ultimate opportunity for us as a city to turn
Speaker 1: the page on lacks law enforcement and project ourselves to
Speaker 1: the nation because this made national headlines. Man, and actually
Speaker 1: it was reported globally a couple of global newspapers it
Speaker 1: included this in it as well. But for us to
Speaker 1: finally step up collectively from the mayor through council, the
Speaker 1: prosecutor's office, and maybe get these judges to start paying attention,
Speaker 1: we need to be a law and order city in
Speaker 1: order to counterbalance this, this really negative perception of the
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati being a place filled with violence.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, the only way that these things are
Speaker 15: going to stop is if the people are actually held
Speaker 15: accountable and they put them all in prison. That then
Speaker 15: that will send a message to the public that if
Speaker 15: you come down here and you act like this, there
Speaker 15: are going to be consequences. They are going to be
Speaker 15: real consequences, and you're going to go to prison. That
Speaker 15: and only then is when we will actually maybe see
Speaker 15: some of this stuff stop. But until then, I mean,
Speaker 15: they believe right now there's no consequences.
Speaker 12: That's why they do these things. And they said they.
Speaker 15: Know they're on camera they know it's likely that they're
Speaker 15: going to get identified. But if they're not held accountable,
Speaker 15: this will continue. I'd love to see a headline six
Speaker 15: months or a year from now, four people sent to
Speaker 15: prison for this brutal attack.
Speaker 12: Yes, that is what will send a message to the public.
Speaker 1: Well, and quite a few conversations here in the Morning
Speaker 1: show this morning about use of deadly force. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're in that guy situation, you obviously are in
Speaker 1: fear for your life. You're obviously experiencing grievous bodily harm.
Speaker 1: Many people suggest that, well, if he had a firearm,
Speaker 1: he might have been to defend himself. You're in a
Speaker 1: very busy public area. Now, that does not negate the
Speaker 1: ability to use deadly force, but it creates an opportunity
Speaker 1: for maybe an innocent bystander to get harmed in some way.
Speaker 1: But your take on the justification for use of deadly
Speaker 1: force had that guy been armed, Yeah.
Speaker 12: I mean it absolutely would have been justified.
Speaker 15: You know, you're being surrounded by ten to fifteen people
Speaker 15: kicking your head, stomping you.
Speaker 12: You kick somebody in the head, you're stomping on their head.
Speaker 15: You are clearly trying to cause them serious physical harm.
Speaker 15: You have the right to defend yourself. You know, maybe
Speaker 15: that's what needs to happen. Maybe that's for people to
Speaker 15: realize that you can't do this again.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where I hope you were going to conclude
Speaker 1: not only severe punishment from the authorities and prosecution to
Speaker 1: the fullest extent of the law as an illustration of
Speaker 1: what's going to happen to you, but maybe a member
Speaker 1: of the public defending themselves would edley for some of
Speaker 1: those circumstances, reminding the rest of the population that, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a whole bunch of armed people out there
Speaker 1: and this might be a really, really bad idea.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean that that's the only that's other than
Speaker 15: you know, the headlines of these people going to prison.
Speaker 15: That's the only other way that people are going to
Speaker 15: start thinking twice before they.
Speaker 1: Act this way. FOP President cam Cover, God bless you, sir,
Speaker 1: keep up the great work. And you know the fifty
Speaker 1: five KRS morning show listeners have the Cincinnta Police departments
Speaker 1: back and we'll be happy to drop a dime if
Speaker 1: we have information that might lead to an arrest. Three
Speaker 1: five two thirty forty Crime Stoppers in number. Take care Ken,
Speaker 1: stay well, my friend.
Speaker 12: All right, thanks for Hammy, Bran's always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Take care seven to fifteen right now, if you have
Speaker 1: Care City Talks Station, Gee, I wonder what Christopher Smitheman
Speaker 1: is going to talk about in his Smither event seven
Speaker 1: twenty If you have care CEV Talk station, A very
Speaker 1: happy Monday to you made always extra special happy because
Speaker 1: this is the point of the week we get to
Speaker 1: talk to the former Vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Christopher Smitheman, and let him unload and vent his planning
Speaker 1: the Smither Vent.
Speaker 3: Do you.
Speaker 1: I wonder what you're going to talk about today. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: Christopher Smitherman. It's great to have you on as always.
Speaker 9: Brian Thomas, I've been listening to your show since five am,
Speaker 9: and I tell you we've been You and I have
Speaker 9: been talking about this all summer. Yeah, you and I
Speaker 9: are not surprised because we've been talking about this crime
Speaker 9: wave that is happening and things were just going to
Speaker 9: get worse. I'm the outgoing vice mayor of the City
Speaker 9: of Cincinnati. I've never seen anything like this. And when
Speaker 9: I'll share with first with the public, you're listening audience.
Speaker 9: What should the mayor be doing? What would be normal?
Speaker 9: A normal would be a press conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a normal.
Speaker 9: Would be a statement. A normal would be a press
Speaker 9: conference with law enforcement surrounding you, including the ATF, the FBI,
Speaker 9: the Justice Department, with the videos, with some type of
Speaker 9: money behind it, saying I want you to identify.
Speaker 3: Who these people are.
Speaker 1: The reward video.
Speaker 9: Running you're circling, here's the reward for everybody. Here's fifty thousand,
Speaker 9: here's fifty thousand, here's But what they really are out
Speaker 9: there worried about, which is so.
Speaker 3: Sick is the money.
Speaker 9: They're so interested in the music festival and the money.
Speaker 3: So let me just say that.
Speaker 4: Listen to that.
Speaker 9: If they don't know who did it, how do they know.
Speaker 3: It's not connected to the music festival.
Speaker 9: If they haven't arrested anybody, if they haven't gone down
Speaker 9: and done any interviews, how can they publicly say that
Speaker 9: those who are involved in the incident, the beating, the attack,
Speaker 9: the attempted murder were not connected to the music festival.
Speaker 9: They don't know, so they're jumping out saying, hey man,
Speaker 9: this has nothing to do with the music festival. However,
Speaker 9: I'm just I think the attack was horrible. Look where
Speaker 9: the hell.
Speaker 3: Is the of the city of Cincinnati. Yeah, that's act
Speaker 3: what we have to ask ourselves right now.
Speaker 1: As of this morning, we can find nothing by way
Speaker 1: of reporting a statement from mayor. I have to have
Speaker 1: pur ball, zero, zip, nada. Hell, we have heard from
Speaker 1: at least some of the council members. We heard from
Speaker 1: the Vice mayor. We've heard from Bernie Moreno, We've heard
Speaker 1: from the Bank Ramaswami, We've heard from Elon Musk has
Speaker 1: even commented on this. You got people coming to the
Speaker 1: woodwork on a national level, and yet nothing from the mayor.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 9: And the crazy thing about it, Bryan Thomas, is these
Speaker 9: are the kinds of moments when you're an elected official,
Speaker 9: that define you, like we're in that moment. The other
Speaker 9: thing I want to stress is this wasn't the only attack.
Speaker 9: No other videos are surfacing, and there will be most
Speaker 9: likely more videos that are surfacing. I saw a video,
Speaker 9: and this is maybe what West West Side Jim and
Speaker 9: you were talking about, of a white male who was
Speaker 9: just punched in the face.
Speaker 3: He was knocked out.
Speaker 9: He was then drugged to the middle of the street
Speaker 9: where in front of a car while people are videotaping
Speaker 9: him and laughing and mocking him and kicking him like
Speaker 9: he was a piece of meat or an animal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this happened on video.
Speaker 9: It had It didn't look like it was connected at
Speaker 9: all to the incident that we're talking about. There are
Speaker 9: other incidents that occurred in downtown Cincinnati. There were multiple attacks.
Speaker 9: There were multiple attacks against white citizens. This is a hate.
Speaker 1: Crime, yeah, you know that. On that on that specific
Speaker 1: when Christopher, you can almost easily come to that conclusion.
Speaker 1: And I'm not one to immediately say, hey, it's a
Speaker 1: hate crime or it's racially motivated. But the video camera
Speaker 1: was already recording. There was nothing going on that would justify,
Speaker 1: at least in my mind, to have a video camera
Speaker 1: running unless you knew that that guy was going to
Speaker 1: do a knockout game incident. So you're filling up the
Speaker 1: plain old white guy mining his own business, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this other guy comes up and
Speaker 1: just plot bam right in the face, like you said,
Speaker 1: and then drugman in the street, all recorded on video.
Speaker 1: How is it that the person recording it new to
Speaker 1: have the video camera running on that guy at that
Speaker 1: particular moment in time it was a setup.
Speaker 9: It's absolutely a setup. And you heard someone actually say
Speaker 9: something along this This isn't the exact quote, but don't
Speaker 9: walk outside at night. You shouldn't be here at night.
Speaker 9: You shouldn't be here, meaning the person is verbally telling
Speaker 9: him this is not your city.
Speaker 3: This is the.
Speaker 9: Craziness of defund the police, reimagine the police. It's a
Speaker 9: culture of city hall Brian Thomas that we've been talking about.
Speaker 9: This mayor has fully embraced that mentality. So the police
Speaker 9: department they don't support him because they're worried that if
Speaker 9: they go out and engain guess what, they're gonna be prosecuted,
Speaker 9: They're gonna lose everything, They're gonna be drug on CNN,
Speaker 9: even though CNN doesn't show this, if an officer had responded,
Speaker 9: or if one of those citizens who was being beat
Speaker 9: up had a weapon and took a life. Now, all
Speaker 9: of a sudden, we are on CNN.
Speaker 3: The last thing.
Speaker 9: Before we go to break is I know we've got
Speaker 9: to go, but look.
Speaker 3: Let's reverse this.
Speaker 9: Let's say that there was a middle age African American
Speaker 9: citizen couple walking down the street. They were surrounded by
Speaker 9: white people. They were mocking them. There was some kind
Speaker 9: of discussion and all of a sudden a fight breaks
Speaker 9: out and a mob sits. A white mob beats up
Speaker 9: a middle age white couple in the middle of the street.
Speaker 9: They drag them out, they kick them in the head,
Speaker 9: and then they punched the woman in the faith and
Speaker 9: knock her out cold where she looks like she did.
Speaker 9: It was a tempted murder. Tell me that city Hall
Speaker 9: this the rest of the country, Al Sharpen, you name them,
Speaker 9: the NAACP, the Urban League would not be in downtown
Speaker 9: Cincinnati demanding justice.
Speaker 1: Seventh thirty You coming to with a seventh thirty one
Speaker 1: to fifty by KRCV talk station of amadcent Monday. Brian
Speaker 1: Timas here with Christopher Smith in the middle of the
Speaker 1: Smith event. I just got a comment from one of
Speaker 1: my listeners, Christopher real quick. I don't want to interrupt
Speaker 1: what your train of thought is, but he suggested that
Speaker 1: maybe aftab Perwall is too concerned about the black vote
Speaker 1: coming up this November than to stand up with the CBS,
Speaker 1: since I Police Department, FBI, anybody else who might be
Speaker 1: involved with this from a law enforcement standpoint. But my
Speaker 1: reaction is, since you are a member of the black community, Christopher,
Speaker 1: what's your perception about how this looks or how this
Speaker 1: makes the black community look. If I was a member
Speaker 1: of the black community, I'd be pissed off about this.
Speaker 1: I would be embarrassed. I'd say, you're bringing me down,
Speaker 1: You're making me look bad, You're making me look to
Speaker 1: be as part of this of the problem. This isn't
Speaker 1: who we are as a people.
Speaker 9: Christopher, Well, unfortunately we live in this world where identity
Speaker 9: politics are like the menu. So let me first just
Speaker 9: say ninety nine point nine to nine percent of African
Speaker 9: Americans to get up every day and go to work
Speaker 9: for law abiding citizens and are not connected to this craziness.
Speaker 9: They believe that it's absolutely nuts. They're incredibly embarrassed by it,
Speaker 9: absolutely period.
Speaker 3: All Right.
Speaker 9: If this were a white people, I would say I
Speaker 9: would think that they would also be saying they're very
Speaker 9: embarrassed by this kind of behavior. So the bottom line
Speaker 9: is African Americans who are who have seen this, who
Speaker 9: have watched it, are absolutely saying that it was absolutely horrific. Period,
Speaker 9: It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: Number two.
Speaker 9: Yeah, number two, let me say clearly that if we
Speaker 9: had a mayor, which I'm not sure if we have one.
Speaker 9: If we had a mayor, the mayor would have extended
Speaker 9: his deepest condolences to the victims. Oh yes, he would
Speaker 9: have found the woman, He would have found the man.
Speaker 3: He would have.
Speaker 9: Found those three or four or five or seven other
Speaker 9: victims and gone to their bedside, gone to their homes,
Speaker 9: gone to the hospital, spoken to their families. He doesn't
Speaker 9: have a heart. He's worried about his next election. This
Speaker 9: is why I supported David Mann in the last election,
Speaker 9: because I said, listen, I just want a mayor who
Speaker 9: cared about Cincinnati. This guy only cares about his next position.
Speaker 9: That's it. We don't have a mayor, and it's why
Speaker 9: I'm supporting Corey Bowman. I'm gonna get real political because
Speaker 9: that's part of the penicillin. People go, oh Man, Smitham
Speaker 9: is getting political. We have an election in November. If
Speaker 9: you vote for this guy, you're voting for what you
Speaker 9: saw downtown. Don't blame me, blame yourself. Look in the mirror.
Speaker 9: You are the problem citizens in Paddock Hills and Clifton
Speaker 9: right in some of our more liberal parts of our community.
Speaker 9: In Paddock Hills, if you and pleasant Ridge, if they
Speaker 9: go in and vote for this mayor, and you saw
Speaker 9: what happened downtown, right.
Speaker 3: This is an incident that makes you, as far as.
Speaker 9: A mayor unqualified to serve. If I had the ability
Speaker 9: to put a petition on the ground to recall him,
Speaker 9: I would, And everybody knows I'm great at petitions. I'd
Speaker 9: have a petition on the ground this week to recall
Speaker 9: this guy. He is absolutely incompetent and should not be
Speaker 9: serving as the mayor of the city of Cincinnati. That's
Speaker 9: where we are, and we have we have liberals out
Speaker 9: here in the media say, oh, man, Corey Bowman's of
Speaker 9: a brother is uh is the is the brother of
Speaker 9: the Vice president of the United States of America. What
Speaker 9: does that have to do with anything. I have four brothers.
Speaker 9: My brothers and I are not the same. I have
Speaker 9: one sister. We're not the same. To act as if
Speaker 9: this this this talking point that the Democrats have, we
Speaker 9: are in a crisis community.
Speaker 3: This is serious.
Speaker 9: We have people that are walking down the street, Brian
Speaker 9: Thomas and I have been talking about it from the
Speaker 9: beginning of the summer, who are just being attacked for
Speaker 9: walking down the street. I believe that these citizens were
Speaker 9: attacked because they were white.
Speaker 3: I believe that.
Speaker 9: I believe it's a hate crime, and I think the
Speaker 9: solution is if I were the mayor, I would be
Speaker 9: calling Governor Mike L. Ryan right now, Governor. I need help.
Speaker 9: I need the National Guard in here. I want a
Speaker 9: National Guard person on every single corner. I want to
Speaker 9: call the State Highway Patrol in.
Speaker 4: We need you.
Speaker 9: I want to bring in the Sheriff's department. I need
Speaker 9: your help, right We've got to quell this before somebody
Speaker 9: else gets killed. And by the way, if you're a
Speaker 9: logical citizen, you're and you have a firearm like I do,
Speaker 9: you're gonna arm yourself this morning, because you're not gonna
Speaker 9: go out there and take this kind of beat down
Speaker 9: and have your wife or your girl friend, or your
Speaker 9: daughter or your niece knocked out.
Speaker 4: That picture is so horridic.
Speaker 9: The way she fell hit the ground, her eyes went still,
Speaker 9: blood was pouring out of her mouth. Oh my god.
Speaker 9: I was like in tears when I saw that this
Speaker 9: is a human being and you have people making fun
Speaker 9: of her. There was one woman who went there, put
Speaker 9: her hand behind her head and pulled her up. There
Speaker 9: was a good Samaritan who intervened. I thank her for that.
Speaker 9: There was a citizen in the other video who walked
Speaker 9: out in front of the car where the white man
Speaker 9: had been drugs in the middle of the street, having
Speaker 9: been knocked out. He looked like he was trying to
Speaker 9: protect him. Another good Samaritan. The reality of it is
Speaker 9: is that this was attempted murder. That's what it was.
Speaker 9: We need the justice department. I don't want this in
Speaker 9: the common police court because they'll let him out. I
Speaker 9: don't want it downtown in Hamilton County because those judges
Speaker 9: will let him out. I want this in federal court.
Speaker 9: I want everybody involved, including those who are videotaped the
Speaker 9: whole incident. It's like driving in a car Brian Thomas
Speaker 9: and a robbery.
Speaker 4: It is happening.
Speaker 9: You're the driver and there's a person there who's robbing.
Speaker 3: Both of you go to tail. Both of you are
Speaker 3: a part of the crime.
Speaker 9: If you're videotaping it and someone is being murdered in
Speaker 9: front of you, you are a part of the crime.
Speaker 9: All of them, all of their cell phones should be confiscated.
Speaker 9: We should have them all in federal court. Based the
Speaker 9: people who actually were doing the kicking, like they were
Speaker 9: kicking that man in his head like he was a football.
Speaker 9: All of them should be facing twenty years to life
Speaker 9: in prison in federal court. This was a hate crime.
Speaker 9: I don't want six months, I don't want one week.
Speaker 9: I want twenty years to life.
Speaker 1: Well, this is on the radar. The US Department of
Speaker 1: Justice Civil Rights Division HAMI. Dillon, who is the Assistant
Speaker 1: Attorney General, issued a statement online saying nobody in a
Speaker 1: great nation should be the victim of such a crime,
Speaker 1: and where race is a motivation, federal law may apply. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Maybe the Feds will get involved. We need
Speaker 1: a little more questions answered on what started this and
Speaker 1: whether or not race was a factor in it, but
Speaker 1: it certainly is easy to reach that conclusion. Right now.
Speaker 1: Let's bring Christopher back for a few more words. Seven
Speaker 1: here fifty five karasd talk station. He's always on fire,
Speaker 1: particularly riled up this morning. My good friend and friend
Speaker 1: of the community, former Vice mayor of the City of Sincinnati,
Speaker 1: Christopher Smith, with his thoughts, and Smith had been with
Speaker 1: his thoughts and comments on the violence over the weekend. Christopher,
Speaker 1: you know someone brought up you mentioned in your comments
Speaker 1: the NAACP and someone this morning suggested, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's a very influential, powerful organization. They've got a lot
Speaker 1: of credibility, they have a lot of contacts, and this
Speaker 1: will be a great opportunity for the NAACP to issue
Speaker 1: a statement as well about the violence in the city
Speaker 1: and maybe a call to stop it, change it, work
Speaker 1: with the police, do something to push the city in
Speaker 1: the right direction. You were former president of the NAACP
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Chapter, Christopher, what's your reaction to that kind of thought.
Speaker 9: I serve for seven years, and we at that time
Speaker 9: were the largest chapter in the state of Ohio under
Speaker 9: my presidency, and anybody who came to our meetings, anybody
Speaker 9: listening knew that I didn't play, meaning had to have
Speaker 9: law order to the meetings respectful, just like I served
Speaker 9: when I was Chair of Law and Public Safety. And
Speaker 9: there's no question that if I were the president, that
Speaker 9: already would have been a statement condemning what happened Number one,
Speaker 9: Number two, asking the community to cooperate with the police
Speaker 9: period right and extending my deepest condolences.
Speaker 3: To the victims.
Speaker 9: Meaning if we're having a music festival downtown and you're
Speaker 9: the n DOUBLEACP, you're the local Cincinnati in DOUBLEACP, this
Speaker 9: is an opportunity for you to show balance. By the way,
Speaker 9: let me remind the Cincinnati in DOUBLEACP that it was
Speaker 9: founded by white Americans, Jewish Americans, and African Americans. That's
Speaker 9: what made the n doubleac HE so powerful. So this
Speaker 9: is an opportunity for them to show balance, to be
Speaker 9: able to say, man, something horrible happens. I'm not going
Speaker 9: to just make put my voice in when I see
Speaker 9: African Americans that are harmed by racism or violence or injustice,
Speaker 9: I'm going to focus on injustice. I'm going to allow
Speaker 9: injustice to drive my policies at the NAACP, not race.
Speaker 9: The reality of this is that we have a situation
Speaker 9: where white citizens were targeted in downtown Cincinnati. We have
Speaker 9: an administration who is more worried about the money loss,
Speaker 9: meaning the festival itself. The comments. If someone gets on
Speaker 9: your show and says the attacks had nothing to do
Speaker 9: with the festival, everybody should ask, how do you know that?
Speaker 9: If you've not arrested anybody and you don't know who
Speaker 9: is there, You don't know who these people are, you
Speaker 9: don't even know what they're from, the City of Cincinnati
Speaker 9: so don't make those proclamations. Their job right now is
Speaker 9: to find out who did it and arrest them and
Speaker 9: charge them federally in court. Again, I want to emphasize
Speaker 9: because people say whether the solution, the solution is not
Speaker 9: putting them in Hamilton County just with a hate crime.
Speaker 9: Build your case. Hold people accountable. Now if they fail
Speaker 9: to do this, here's what's going to happen. Citizens from
Speaker 9: the suburbs are not coming into downtown.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, my wife used to go to them.
Speaker 1: My wife used to go to the festivals because you know,
Speaker 1: she loved like Earth Wind and Fire and those bands,
Speaker 1: and she and one of her girlfriends used to go
Speaker 1: fairly regularly. There is no way in hell you could
Speaker 1: get her to go down anymore, not a chance in hell.
Speaker 9: Or your beautiful daughter, oh or anybody that you love,
Speaker 9: your mom or anybody.
Speaker 3: And I'm the same way.
Speaker 9: I literally sent a message out months ago to my kid.
Speaker 9: We have a text change. Nobody go downtown. Don't even
Speaker 9: drive through downtown. I am very concerned about a city
Speaker 9: council that seems to have lost the city. Meaning if
Speaker 9: you look in Clifton. It's now gone into the gaslight
Speaker 9: district where you have eighty to one hundred people just
Speaker 9: in the street blocking the fire department so they can't
Speaker 9: even get out. That's why Stephen Gooden is running for
Speaker 9: city council as a charter right, and I support him.
Speaker 9: He's a really good guy and people should vote for.
Speaker 3: Him, right.
Speaker 9: That's why I'm supporting Linda Matthews, she's running for city council.
Speaker 9: I don't care about what somebody's party is right now.
Speaker 9: We've got to put confidence in people down there, and
Speaker 9: we've got to elect the mayor. And why I support
Speaker 9: Corey Bowman.
Speaker 3: I just want to change.
Speaker 9: Brian Thomas, I'm not going to go in and vote
Speaker 9: the same way so that next year, this time, you
Speaker 9: and I next summer are talking about the same krit
Speaker 9: craziness where we have a mayor who's absent. I'm going
Speaker 9: to say, as we close, where the hell is the mayor?
Speaker 9: We've got Eli Musk weighing in on this, Brian Thomas.
Speaker 3: You've got Brian Thomas.
Speaker 9: Wing in on this, right, and we don't hear from
Speaker 9: mayor pure Ball at all.
Speaker 1: Well, my astute executive producer, as he's a genius guy
Speaker 1: is he just reminded me and I think it's worth noting.
Speaker 1: Guess what's coming up Octoberfest and Riverfest.
Speaker 9: Not worried about the money. They're worried about the money,
Speaker 9: Brian termas they're not worried about what they should be
Speaker 9: focused on, which is they've lost control of our fifty
Speaker 9: two neighborhoods, which includes one of those being Downtown. I'm
Speaker 9: letting you know how the politician thinks. This mayor believes
Speaker 9: that he can hide, he can wait this out. He
Speaker 9: doesn't want to come out publicly because he's worried about
Speaker 9: pissing off African Americans. If the mayor's office is listening.
Speaker 9: You think so little of us as African Americans that
Speaker 9: you think we would support this craziness that you think
Speaker 9: that law abiding African American citizens that live in the
Speaker 9: city of Cincinnati would not vote for you because you
Speaker 9: say that people were indiscriminately attacked violently downtown who absolutely
Speaker 9: was a You think that that's where the African American
Speaker 9: community is and we can't find you with a search
Speaker 9: war It tells you what he really thinks.
Speaker 3: About us, which it's not a lot.
Speaker 9: You don't think a lot about us if you think
Speaker 9: that standing in front of a mic condemning this, that
Speaker 9: African American voters are gonna say, oh man, we're now
Speaker 9: not gonna vote for you. We're searching for leadership, just
Speaker 9: like the white community, the Latino community, the Asian community.
Speaker 9: We have an incompetent mayor. We have a council that
Speaker 9: is absent if this had happened to say, what's the solution.
Speaker 3: What would be a.
Speaker 9: Normal reaction from city Hall? We are holding right now,
Speaker 9: calling an emergency meeting at City Hall, Chair of Law
Speaker 9: and Public Safety. We're gonna bring the police, chep in.
Speaker 9: We're gonna bring the FBI in. We're gonna bring the
Speaker 9: ATF in. We're gonna bring in the fans who could
Speaker 9: prosecute this, the attorney general. We're gonna make sure that
Speaker 9: we are all on the same page and we reassure
Speaker 9: the citizens that we are on top of it. Guess
Speaker 9: what nowhere to be found. It's not gonna happen because
Speaker 9: they're more concerned about the November election. And guess what,
Speaker 9: citizens who are listening, You go in and vote for
Speaker 9: these same people, you're gonna get the same You're gonna
Speaker 9: get the same result.
Speaker 3: That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Not pulling any punches today is typically the case. Christopher Smithman,
Speaker 1: thank you so so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Thank you so much for putting a voice to this,
Speaker 9: because if you had not done it, if you know
Speaker 9: you were watching it, the local media wasn't covering it
Speaker 9: at all. It was like it never happened. Yes, if
Speaker 9: Brian Thomas isn't on the morning from five to nine
Speaker 9: telling us what the hell is going on in our city,
Speaker 9: there are a lot of times, to your listening audience,
Speaker 9: we wouldn't even know what was going on. So thank
Speaker 9: you Brian Thomas for giving us a voice.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to dealing. It's better pleasure to be
Speaker 1: in a position to do so. Christopher, and I appreciate
Speaker 1: the great comments you always provide for my audience every Monday.
Speaker 1: I'll look forward to another one next Monday and hopefully
Speaker 1: maybe something better to talk about. We'll find out then, Christopher,
Speaker 1: God bless you, my friend.
Speaker 9: Thank you hear about it and then yea, the Epstein hoaps,
Speaker 9: these fellows have to be released talking about it.
Speaker 1: I want to know the truth.
Speaker 16: People say same.
Speaker 1: On fifty five KRCD talk station to Shiabato six right now,
Speaker 1: but you buy par CD talk station. I hope you're
Speaker 1: having a decent Monday. Always a good time to be
Speaker 1: listening to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Moving away
Speaker 1: from some of the more tragic incidents going here in
Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati over the weekend, there's still other things going
Speaker 1: on in the world. We still got to worry about money,
Speaker 1: and we need to worry about the Federal Reserve hiking
Speaker 1: interest rates or lowering interest rates. Welcome back from all
Speaker 1: Worth Financial Brian James, do another edition of Money Monday.
Speaker 17: Good morning, mister Thomas, thanks for having me once again.
Speaker 1: All right, all I've heard and I know the Trump
Speaker 1: administration wants the Fed to lower the interest rates. There
Speaker 1: have been discussions about maybe reducing it by twenty five
Speaker 1: bases points. Nobody's really talking about raising it. But there
Speaker 1: was an interesting article today and if we haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: I'll refer you to it. Don't rule out a rakehike
Speaker 1: by William Silver, who's written on matters economic and written
Speaker 1: books before. He said someone at the meeting should say
Speaker 1: the might have to raise its target rate at some
Speaker 1: point during the year. Noting that unemployment rate remains pretty
Speaker 1: dang low, but the rate of inflation is still somewhat elevated, suggesting,
Speaker 1: in his words, if anything, the target interest rates should
Speaker 1: be higher to push down inflation. No, here, I haven't
Speaker 1: heard anybody talk about that prior to my reading this
Speaker 1: article this morning. Was either going to stay the same
Speaker 1: or it was going to get lowered. What do you think,
Speaker 1: Brian James.
Speaker 17: Well, yeah, I think it's pretty tough for folks to
Speaker 17: go against the grain here. You know, you look a
Speaker 17: lot of these political voices, and unfortunately, like it or not,
Speaker 17: a lot of them are tied to President Trump, and
Speaker 17: he's of course advocating for the opposite and has been
Speaker 17: doing that very loudly for basically the last decade. So yeah,
Speaker 17: it is a little bit surprising to hear it, to
Speaker 17: hear anybody come out against, you know, the idea of
Speaker 17: lowering rates. Some people still see inflation out there. We've
Speaker 17: got we've got some good headlines over the weekend related
Speaker 17: to tariff that we're going to get to here and shortly.
Speaker 17: But you know, we haven't beaten the inflation monster yet
Speaker 17: completely one hundred percent, but we made a lot of
Speaker 17: progress there, So, yeah, I would agree with you. I'm
Speaker 17: not sure I see the benefit or the risk. I mean,
Speaker 17: maybe it's a topic to talk about. That's why there's
Speaker 17: only a handful of voices, you know, out that about that.
Speaker 17: There are a few people out there, you know, Neil
Speaker 17: Kashkari and the Minneapolis Fed. He has hinted that he's
Speaker 17: open to leaving the door open for another hike if
Speaker 17: we still see price pressures resuming. Cleveland FED Representative Loredamester
Speaker 17: said similar, she's just really tight on None of them
Speaker 17: are as vocal as this individual is. But you know,
Speaker 17: I really only hear it in hints. Otherwise, well it
Speaker 17: was noted again. I'm going back to this, mister silber guy.
Speaker 17: Congress has to pay the government's bills, right, so it
Speaker 17: too likes low interest rates. So this low interest rates
Speaker 17: doesn't really bear a political stripe. Low interest rates are
Speaker 17: if you ignore the inflationary reality that might exist. I mean, Democrats, Republicans, independence, communists,
Speaker 17: everybody enjoys the benefits of lower interest rates, if for
Speaker 17: no other reason it tends to have an impact on
Speaker 17: what somebody pays for a home in the mortgage rate. Yeah,
Speaker 17: and that of course is where we feel at the most.
Speaker 17: That's we've had a lot of home buyers. If you've
Speaker 17: bought a home in the last four or five years,
Speaker 17: then yes, you are paying probably six to seven percent. Ironically,
Speaker 17: I did get an email over the weekend from a
Speaker 17: client who was asking if we should borrow against the
Speaker 17: home to invest in the market. And first off, that
Speaker 17: is the sign of a market, of a market top
Speaker 17: and people start thinking that way. But I think he's
Speaker 17: not a person who has a mortgage right now. He's
Speaker 17: not dealing with he's considering putting one back in place,
Speaker 17: and I think he has forgotten, as a lot of
Speaker 17: people have, that rates for people who are putting mortgages
Speaker 17: in place are in the six to seven percent range.
Speaker 17: It's not the three to four space or the two
Speaker 17: space that we were in just a few years ago.
Speaker 17: So I do think there's a big difference between people
Speaker 17: who aren't dealing with mortgages and those who are.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a really important thing to focus on that
Speaker 1: very point, because you're going to have to get north
Speaker 1: of seven percent ROI in order to cover the no
Speaker 1: on what you borrowed to put in the market. So
Speaker 1: that's that's not always guaranteed, is it, Brian James.
Speaker 17: Oh no, yeah, we talk about that a lot here
Speaker 17: at my little table when we discussed my names, plans
Speaker 17: and market history and all that. And and I know why,
Speaker 17: of course, it's because ever since twenty two the market
Speaker 17: has been on an absolute tear. We've had some you know,
Speaker 17: very nerve wracking drops in things with the election and
Speaker 17: the policies that President Trumps put in place, but all
Speaker 17: in all, the market's been up significantly and strongly. We
Speaker 17: always get to a point there where people just kind
Speaker 17: of lose that last bit of defensiveness in terms of
Speaker 17: you know this, this can't go on forever. Well, when
Speaker 17: that disappears, we start thinking about things like mortgaging the
Speaker 17: house to invest a little more. And that's just and
Speaker 17: usually it's people who don't really need that in.
Speaker 1: The first place.
Speaker 17: So I got a call to make this afternoon.
Speaker 1: Well, these these folks at the FED, I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't I mean, they're not tea leaf readers, and they
Speaker 1: can't see into the future. They don't know which directions
Speaker 1: it's going to go in terms of the economy. They're
Speaker 1: just really playing a guessing game, aren't they.
Speaker 17: Well, I mean there are some of the smartest brains
Speaker 17: we have out there on this and they and they
Speaker 17: do have to you know, somebody has to actually make
Speaker 17: decisions and push buttons and pull levers that will have
Speaker 17: an impact good, bad, or indifferent, and those people are
Speaker 17: under a lot of stress. President Trump always has the ability,
Speaker 17: He's got the advantage of being able to change his
Speaker 17: mind on a dime. And as we've seen, you know
Speaker 17: it just in just in this administration, and we saw
Speaker 17: it a couple of ministrations ago in his first go round.
Speaker 17: He can do whatever he wants from day to day
Speaker 17: and everybody else has to deal with it. On the
Speaker 17: other hand, those representing the Federal Reserve making those decisions,
Speaker 17: they will not be able to raise rates today and
Speaker 17: then lower them tomorrow the way tariff Trump is handling
Speaker 17: things like Tariff's.
Speaker 1: Right, And they also don't have any obligation to listen
Speaker 1: to what Trump wants. I mean again, I go back
Speaker 1: to do The one thing I always stuck in my
Speaker 1: mind was the Carter administrations and their epic battle with
Speaker 1: who was it green Span or Vulcar Vulcanulker, and I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, interest rates were just through the blanket roof
Speaker 1: and you know, Carter was screaming, please, dear God, lower
Speaker 1: the interest rates. They ignored him.
Speaker 17: Yeah, and his the approach he took, you know that,
Speaker 17: that's what they call the Vulcar rule, right, they named
Speaker 17: a rule after him. But yeah, he fought inflation so
Speaker 17: fiercely and it hurt a lot. That was a significant recession.
Speaker 17: But now as we as we look at it, that's
Speaker 17: considered a benchmark of just a bold, aggressive way to
Speaker 17: conquer inflation, even though it was unpopular and not very popular,
Speaker 17: you know, politically. Even so, it did cost some lesser
Speaker 17: politicians their roles. But Paul Volker has looked at as
Speaker 17: a pretty smart dude nowadays for having done that. Well,
Speaker 17: fought the fought against the tide of people who don't
Speaker 17: like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, obviously it worked because it came down eventually, right.
Speaker 17: Yes, And then think about deeper history than that, And
Speaker 17: then that launched a period of about twenty years, the
Speaker 17: eighties and the nineties, where really nothing bad happened. I mean,
Speaker 17: that's a bit of an overstatement, but my gosh, when
Speaker 17: I think of the prior twenty years that we've been
Speaker 17: through since the turn of the century and the eighties
Speaker 17: and the nineties. Eighties and the nineties were the anomaly, Brian.
Speaker 17: We had a long period of time where where there's
Speaker 17: a lot of people with money now who that's the
Speaker 17: period that they made it in. And those folks conclude
Speaker 17: that the anomaly has been the last twenty years where
Speaker 17: we've had a whole bunch of crazy. But really, if
Speaker 17: you look over the couple hundred quarter millennium of the
Speaker 17: history of this country, it's actually the eighties and the
Speaker 17: nineties that were probably about the beast period we've ever had.
Speaker 1: And do you think and I always have this weird
Speaker 1: sort of I don't like mc mansions for a multitude
Speaker 1: of reasons. I'm not I listen one man with one opinion,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But the size of houses have just
Speaker 1: gotten very, very large for the past several decades. Do
Speaker 1: you think that it's because of low interest rates that
Speaker 1: it had an impact on, you know, the size and
Speaker 1: the and how much people invested in any given home.
Speaker 1: Because if you had to pay, like exam what my
Speaker 1: wife and I paid and we got our first home,
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't be looking at large and giant. You'd
Speaker 1: be looking at something maybe a little bit more efficient
Speaker 1: and affordable.
Speaker 17: So I'll give you this example. So this is what
Speaker 17: happened to me in terms of when I was looking
Speaker 17: for my first mortgage about thirty years ago, when we
Speaker 17: were first getting settled in the mortgage loan originator and
Speaker 17: I was working for a bank at the time, mortgage
Speaker 17: loan originator. The discussion was about how much can I afford?
Speaker 17: How many square feet can I buy for whatever fits
Speaker 17: my budget. It had nothing to do nobody asked you
Speaker 17: have kids, you plan on having kids, how many kids?
Speaker 17: How big of a house? They said, here's what you
Speaker 17: can afford right now, based on interest rates. And of course,
Speaker 17: remember who's pulling the strings, who benefits The banks of
Speaker 17: course were and this was a period of time where
Speaker 17: we had run up to a financial crisis in two
Speaker 17: thousand and eight based on mortgages. Banks were looking under
Speaker 17: every stone for every last opportunity to take advantage of
Speaker 17: the fact that people were really excited about low interest rates.
Speaker 17: So yes, absolutely, Brian. Of course we were encouraged from
Speaker 17: a thousand different points about just buy a bigger home
Speaker 17: because you can afford it.
Speaker 1: And as a financial planner, there was always like a
Speaker 1: figure you shouldn't be spending more on x percent, more
Speaker 1: than x percent of your annual earnings on home ownership.
Speaker 1: Is there a figure that we can think about and
Speaker 1: look to it as a good guidance still to this day.
Speaker 17: I mean, it's just gotten a little fuzzier because some
Speaker 17: of the numbers that worked thirty years ago don't work anymore,
Speaker 17: just because wages have not risen as fast as homes.
Speaker 17: So I would go back to what I always say,
Speaker 17: and you say this on my behalf as well, have
Speaker 17: a plan, Understand what you can get away with, Understand
Speaker 17: what you are responsible for in the first place. And
Speaker 17: I would put a very heavy emphasis on your own retirement.
Speaker 17: Focus on your own retirement, building that nest egg. Then
Speaker 17: figure out what the mortgage payment should be. Don't focus
Speaker 17: on the giant house the way we did in the
Speaker 17: late nineties and early two thousands, and then worry about
Speaker 17: your four oh one K. That's gonna work against you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just remember the bigger than homing. Buy the more
Speaker 1: furniture you're gonna have your bib timy bill doesn't stop
Speaker 1: with the interest right now, It sure doesn't. I've been
Speaker 1: to a lot of houses with a lot of empty rooms.
Speaker 1: Don't go away We'll continue with Brian James talking about
Speaker 1: the tariff deal. Looks like dumps. I gotta win with
Speaker 1: European Union or is it China on the plate as well?
Speaker 1: Plus corporate earnings are coming out this week. Or with
Speaker 1: Brian James at Tate fifteen right now, I'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: the robling Bridge protest. He'll be in studio next. Let's
Speaker 1: stuff these last two topics into one segment. Brian James
Speaker 1: tariff deal with the EU. We got a fifteen percent
Speaker 1: tariff deal, many reviewing it positively, a promise of six
Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars in investment for the European Union in
Speaker 1: the United States over time, seven hundred and fifty billion
Speaker 1: dollars worth of their energy purchases from the United States
Speaker 1: over time, and apparently hundreds of billions of dollars in arms purchases,
Speaker 1: making the military industrial complex very happy. We also had
Speaker 1: him negotiate a deal with Japan as well, and he's
Speaker 1: sitting down to talk with China. I guess beginning maybe today,
Speaker 1: what's your take on the tariffs?
Speaker 17: Brian, Well, this is all good news in terms of
Speaker 17: it answers the question. We all know that the market
Speaker 17: and the economy really, really really super hate the unknown.
Speaker 1: Yes, in futures.
Speaker 17: As we're talking about this right now, I think you're
Speaker 17: doing a whole bunch of nothing. Yep, that's true. So
Speaker 17: pretty quiet on the market and what that looks like.
Speaker 17: The reason that's a good thing, obviously, is because it
Speaker 17: means we're not spooked about things. A question has been answered.
Speaker 17: So the headline is the US and EU are at
Speaker 17: a deal now at fifteen percent tariffs on steel and aluminum,
Speaker 17: and so that's going to prevent this larger trade war
Speaker 17: from happening. And the threat there was that the original
Speaker 17: Trump era tariffs were going to come back twenty five
Speaker 17: percent on steel and ten percent aluminum, and so this
Speaker 17: is going to replace a twenty twenty one deal that
Speaker 17: paused the tariffs and those were going to expire anyway,
Speaker 17: and so that this is all everybody wants to make
Speaker 17: sure we don't have an overcapacity situation, and so we're
Speaker 17: just out of situation where we've answered the question and
Speaker 17: we can kind of get to move on a little bit.
Speaker 17: That is good news. Not everybody in Europe is happy,
Speaker 17: of course, right because you know, some of these countries
Speaker 17: didn't have any kind of the tariffs levied against the
Speaker 17: United States. So this is we're we're kind of taking
Speaker 17: the first shots against them. But the US is just
Speaker 17: throwing its weight around, and the EU at the moment
Speaker 17: has acquiesced and conceded a decent amount of the United States.
Speaker 1: Well, at least it shows we still have some weight. Brian.
Speaker 17: Yeah, and that's a little bit of a relief, isn't it.
Speaker 17: It is you know, we may have started to feel
Speaker 17: briefly there like we may have overshot and maybe we're
Speaker 17: a little overly confident in how much the rest of
Speaker 17: the world has to rely on the United States. Well,
Speaker 17: this is a couple of check marks in the good column.
Speaker 1: Well, I know that some more think, okay, fine, fifteen
Speaker 1: percent a lot better than fifty And I know VW
Speaker 1: has been hit really hard, as has some others BMW,
Speaker 1: Mercedes and other German carmakers at twenty seven and a
Speaker 1: half percent U of tariff, so they get a little
Speaker 1: relief from that. But what about the concept of zero
Speaker 1: for zero?
Speaker 17: Well, I think that what do we just say, though
Speaker 17: that doesn't throw the United States weight around, right? We
Speaker 17: want to impose our will on the rest of the world,
Speaker 17: you know, good, bad or in different Not everybody agrees
Speaker 17: that this is the right approach, but that's what we
Speaker 17: elected in November. And remember where we all where this
Speaker 17: all started. One of the very first topics that came
Speaker 17: up was all countries are going to start to pay
Speaker 17: what they committed to in terms of supporting NATO and
Speaker 17: support supporting those military alliances. This is just the next
Speaker 17: phase of the same thing. The United States was able
Speaker 17: to force those countries, and those were things that they
Speaker 17: had all agreed to and simply not held up on
Speaker 17: what they had signed off on years ago. In the
Speaker 17: United States picked up the tab because we deemed it
Speaker 17: more important to have that in place, and the other
Speaker 17: countries just relied on the fact that we would step
Speaker 17: in and they were right. So this, I think is
Speaker 17: the tit for tat to me, this is the zero
Speaker 17: for zero. We forced other countries to pay their share,
Speaker 17: and this is how we're getting back on the other end.
Speaker 1: The earnings report. It's earning season. Was supposed to be
Speaker 1: some earnings report coming out this week. According to the
Speaker 1: Reuters headline, it's AI good, Artificial intelligence good everything else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not so much, Brian.
Speaker 17: So yeah, we had to have good runs. So the
Speaker 17: market's up as we're sitting here about eight percent. As
Speaker 17: we know, all that really matters. All we care about
Speaker 17: is not what our earnings. It's whether the analysts were right.
Speaker 17: So we always look at what the analyst said versus
Speaker 17: what's happening. So through last Friday, one hundred and sixty
Speaker 17: eight of our five hundred favored companies in the S
Speaker 17: and B five hundred have reported. Eighty two percent of
Speaker 17: them have beaten their profit in estimates, and we're about
Speaker 17: four and a half percent over second quarter last year.
Speaker 17: So that is all those are all good things. We're
Speaker 17: on a good run. A lot of it, yes, is
Speaker 17: being driven by AI, not only the companies that produce it,
Speaker 17: but companies that are taking advantage of it and using
Speaker 17: to using it to find new markets, create new products
Speaker 17: and make things more efficient.
Speaker 1: Well well, well, Brian James, question for you everybody talking
Speaker 1: about AI AI AI AI, you know, data centers being built,
Speaker 1: billions of dollars being spent, et cetera, et cetera. This
Speaker 1: sounds to me like the potential for a future bubble burst.
Speaker 1: Any comment on my thoughts along those lines.
Speaker 17: Absolutely, You know. I like to talk about catalysts all
Speaker 17: the time, right. The catalyst in the in the late
Speaker 17: nineties was the web itself, Yahoo and all those other
Speaker 17: names that we've all since forgotten about. Then after that
Speaker 17: it became real estate. After that it became the cloud.
Speaker 17: Remember we talked talked about the cloud fifteen years and
Speaker 17: now some we use every day. It was mobile devices
Speaker 17: and all that. This is just the latest thing that
Speaker 17: The best example I can give of that is is Covid.
Speaker 17: Remember when Covid was going to kill us all and
Speaker 17: was going to end the world. Well, no, it turned
Speaker 17: into a boon for companies like zoom In, companies like
Speaker 17: Dell who had to create enough stuff so that all
Speaker 17: Worth and all the companies that we're sending employees home
Speaker 17: could replicate desktops in the home environment. Everything that happens, good,
Speaker 17: bad and different winds up becoming a catalyst for someone
Speaker 17: to make a profit. And AI is no different.
Speaker 1: The entrepreneurial spirits live and well it's just working on
Speaker 1: the landscape that's been working, playing the hand that's been
Speaker 1: dealt and dealing with and coming up in new ways
Speaker 1: to do it. That's innovation right there. Brian James, always
Speaker 1: a pleasure to having you. I appreciate all worth loaning
Speaker 1: you out every Monday for this segment. I hope you
Speaker 1: have a wonderful week, my friend. I will talk to
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Speaker 1: Chuck Ingram and fifty five krc BE talk station say
Speaker 1: twenty nine fifty buck here see the talk station. Happy
Speaker 1: to look up and see in studio Rabbi Ari June.
Speaker 1: He's been here before to talk about some other topics,
Speaker 1: and good to see Rabbi, welcome back. Thank you.
Speaker 12: It's nice to be here.
Speaker 1: It's just always a pleasure engaging in the elevated conversation
Speaker 1: with you. Have a tremendous amount of respect for you.
Speaker 1: What you do remind my listeners your position in the
Speaker 1: community and why it would be you here discussing this matter,
Speaker 1: why you would comment about the Robling suspension bridge, which
Speaker 1: we'll get to in a moment.
Speaker 16: Absolutely so. I'm a rabbi in Cincinnati. I'm the senior
Speaker 16: rabbi of Temple Sholem, and I've been active in issues
Speaker 16: in this community. For gosh, I'm not a real native Cincinnati,
Speaker 16: but I've been here about fifteen years now, and there's
Speaker 16: been this whole situation going on over the last few
Speaker 16: weeks that started with the detention of any mom I'm
Speaker 16: in Solomon on some immigration related issues and has sort
Speaker 16: of taken on a life of its own, including this
Speaker 16: protest over at the Ropeling Bridge.
Speaker 1: Right now, I understand that people might protest ice detention
Speaker 1: of Aiman Solomon. We're engaged in multiple protests about immigration
Speaker 1: enforcement across this country. It's one of the biggest topics
Speaker 1: out there politically speaking. Your perception of the detention of
Speaker 1: i'man I'm in Solomon initially, where are you? Are you
Speaker 1: defending him? Do you think it was an appropriate detention
Speaker 1: before we get to what actually unfolded on the bridge
Speaker 1: as a consequence of the.
Speaker 16: Protest, Absolutely, you know, I will to cheat ahead a
Speaker 16: little bit. One of the things I think is really
Speaker 16: unfortunate about this protest at the Ropeling Bridge is it
Speaker 16: draws attention away from the actual issue, which is you know,
Speaker 16: this question about this particular detention of imm Solomon and
Speaker 16: immigration issues broadly. But so I'll pull back from that, right.
Speaker 16: We're definitely going to get to that, oh, I know,
Speaker 16: but to bring the attention to where I think it
Speaker 16: should be. You know, I Mom Solomon. We can only
Speaker 16: really speak with confidence I think here about who he
Speaker 16: has been as a member of our local community. You know,
Speaker 16: he's been in Cincinnati for years now, been working as
Speaker 16: a chaplain at Cincinnati Children's Hospital and in our community,
Speaker 16: which is what we can speak with confidence about. He's
Speaker 16: been a model member of Cincinnati. You know, he's the
Speaker 16: kind of guy who's shown up in the nick you
Speaker 16: and working with parents who are in dire situations with
Speaker 16: children or suffering. He has been to any member of
Speaker 16: the Jewish community, a real ally that's good, showed up
Speaker 16: at vigils to support Jews after October seventh, has you know,
Speaker 16: been there with rabbis and Cincinnati who run the whole
Speaker 16: spectrum from you know, from Reform to Orthodox and been
Speaker 16: a real friend and partner. Doesn't mean we agree on everything.
Speaker 16: We don't agree on everything, but that's you know, that's
Speaker 16: part of living in a pluralistic society is you can
Speaker 16: make friends with people with whom you have disagreements.
Speaker 1: So the I'm and obviously obviously not a Jewish person.
Speaker 1: He's not a river to the Sea kind of advocate.
Speaker 16: I think he's probably a critic of Israe in many regards,
Speaker 16: and there are Jews who make the same sort of
Speaker 16: criticism that he makes.
Speaker 1: Well, I have a lot of Jewish friends who also
Speaker 1: will make the same pass.
Speaker 16: It's okay to do that. But no, he's not the
Speaker 16: kind of person who's looking to wipe out all the
Speaker 16: Jews who live in Israel. One of the interesting thing
Speaker 16: about things about his case is that he has pushed
Speaker 16: against people trying to connect his particular situation right now,
Speaker 16: his detention and his immigration issues. He doesn't want that
Speaker 16: connected to the Israel Palestine debate. He's been pretty clear
Speaker 16: about that.
Speaker 1: Well, it shouldn't be.
Speaker 16: Well, no, he's not Palestinian. First of all, he is
Speaker 16: an Egyptian citizen who's been here on asylum. He, like
Speaker 16: many members of our global Muslim community, has a connection
Speaker 16: to the Palestinian community because they consider that, you know,
Speaker 16: part of their people, so to speak. But he sees
Speaker 16: a difference between some of these things. And yeah, he's
Speaker 16: not a River to the Sea kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your point is, I think too many people and
Speaker 1: I catch myself if I find myself painting with too
Speaker 1: broad a brush, as they say, I'll call myself out
Speaker 1: on I wait a second, maybe I was paint with
Speaker 1: too broad a brush. Because you happen to be Muslim
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you hold a particular ideological perspective as it
Speaker 1: relates to the existence of Israel, or the eradication of Israel,
Speaker 1: or how you feel about the Jewish people. Generally speaking,
Speaker 1: the world's filled with opinions, and within the Muslim community
Speaker 1: there are many varied opinions, much in the same way
Speaker 1: you just pointed out there are many varied opinions within
Speaker 1: the Jewish community.
Speaker 16: Absolutely, and I there's something that strange that sometimes goes
Speaker 16: on which concerns me, which is sometimes there's this if
Speaker 16: you're Muslim, you're presumed guilty of anti Semitism until proven otherwise.
Speaker 12: Yes, and God, I hate it.
Speaker 16: I think it's probably clear to those who know me
Speaker 16: that I've dealt with plenty of issues of antisemitism personally
Speaker 16: and professionally in my life. I am defensive against anti Semitism. Yes,
Speaker 16: it does not mean that every person who's Muslim is
Speaker 16: anti Semitic. It doesn't mean every critic of Israel is
Speaker 16: anti Semitic. And I mom, Solomon certainly is not an
Speaker 16: anti Semite.
Speaker 1: All right, Well pause right now because we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break. But I'm wondering what is the connection, because
Speaker 1: Rabbi I do not understand anti Semitism. To me, it's
Speaker 1: like racism. Why would you hate someone merely because of
Speaker 1: who they are the race of Jewish people? You just
Speaker 1: immediately think they're all bad and evil and they're worthy
Speaker 1: of some sort of form of hatred that's anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: Is there a direct correlation between this, this concept of
Speaker 1: anti Semitism, which I perceive to be the hatred or
Speaker 1: the antagonism or evil toward Jewish people generally speaking, or
Speaker 1: is it based upon the existence and creation of the
Speaker 1: State of Israel. Let's just delve on that A little
Speaker 1: good bridge to the bridge should perfect. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: perceive it to be that way. It's a thirty five
Speaker 1: Rabbi Ari John in the studio will continue after these
Speaker 1: brief words.
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Speaker 1: It's Summertari jun in studio, trying to unpack the problems
Speaker 1: of the world. We were talking about anti Semitism generally speaking.
Speaker 1: Of course, this on the heels of i'mm Aiman Solomon's
Speaker 1: detention by Ice. Obviously a well respected man in the community.
Speaker 1: You mentioned some of his attributes. He's very helpful, he's
Speaker 1: a bridge crosser, he reaches across the aisle, works well
Speaker 1: with the Jewish community and other communities. Has done some
Speaker 1: great work. So before we get to his trials and tribulations,
Speaker 1: addressing my question mark, because as I say that, I
Speaker 1: don't understand the hatred of a person for merely being
Speaker 1: of a particular race, and so I can't hate you
Speaker 1: for being a Jew, just in and of itself. There
Speaker 1: are people out in the world who hate black people
Speaker 1: just because they're black. That makes no sense to me either.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like a you know, I never met
Speaker 1: a man I didn't like kind of guy, which is
Speaker 1: sort of you got to take the time to know
Speaker 1: somebody before you're allowed to draw conclusions. And because all
Speaker 1: these different people exist across broad political sUAS within any
Speaker 1: given community, I can't draw a conclusion. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: fair for me to do so. But I'm kind of
Speaker 1: curious to know if this concept of anti Semitism has
Speaker 1: more of a connection with the creation of Israel as
Speaker 1: a state, in the displacement of the Palestinian people or
Speaker 1: anybody else that got this place when Israel was created
Speaker 1: in what nineteen four or nineteen forty seven. So do
Speaker 1: you see that as being a sort of a blurred
Speaker 1: line or maybe a problematic area.
Speaker 16: There's an intersection, no question. Look, anti Semitism has been
Speaker 16: around for literally thousands of years. People call it the
Speaker 16: oldest form of hate. You know, in our Western context,
Speaker 16: a lot of people think of the Holocaust as being
Speaker 16: like the start of antisemitism or something anything. But I mean,
Speaker 16: there have been thousands and thousands of years of people
Speaker 16: attacking Jews because of their identity. And what's unique about
Speaker 16: anti Semitism, a form of hate, is that it tends
Speaker 16: to mutate throughout history. So generally speaking, in history, people
Speaker 16: will target Jews for whatever the perceived gravest evil of
Speaker 16: the time is. So, if capitalism is bad, Jews or
Speaker 16: the capitalists. If communism's bad, Jews are the communists? You
Speaker 16: name it. So in the present day, when you know
Speaker 16: ethnic nationalism trends are perceived as evil, Jews must be
Speaker 16: the colonialist, nationalist, whatever group that's most evil in the world.
Speaker 16: So Israel's connected to it, no question. But Israel's more
Speaker 16: of an excuse than the impetus.
Speaker 1: Right because it has been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, the Holocaust came about as a consequence
Speaker 1: of Jews getting the blame for the poor economic conditions
Speaker 1: in Germany. That was an extension of the thousand plus
Speaker 1: years of Jews being blamed for any other economic calamity
Speaker 1: or any other problem in the world. How is it
Speaker 1: they became a target. How is it that that was
Speaker 1: a default group? Is it because of the you represent
Speaker 1: a minority status in the world in terms of global population.
Speaker 16: So the minority status thing is a huge part of it.
Speaker 16: I think also, Jews have, in different societies for the
Speaker 16: last two thousand years, been a minority who was a
Speaker 16: homeless group, so to speak. Right until the creation of Israel,
Speaker 16: from you know, the year seventy ce nil nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 16: Jews were existing independently of their own homeland, moving from
Speaker 16: place to place as a tiny minority, pretty easy to
Speaker 16: pick off and scapegoat and target. You layer on top
Speaker 16: of that religious differences intentions that existed between Christianity and
Speaker 16: Islam and Judaism, and you've got the recipe for all
Speaker 16: sorts of disaster well.
Speaker 1: And in that context, you know, people who of like
Speaker 1: minds tend to dwell together. I mean, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: If you're of the same religion, you're the same race,
Speaker 1: and you don't have a land that you can call
Speaker 1: your own, you're going to congregate in your own community
Speaker 1: in any given country. That just makes perfect sense. But
Speaker 1: you've also proven to be demonstrably successful. And I mean
Speaker 1: I know from my discussions with my Jewish friends and
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. You look out for each other.
Speaker 1: You're part of that family of Jewish people, you help
Speaker 1: each other in business perspectives, you elevate your fellow jew
Speaker 1: And I mean, and because it is I suppose a
Speaker 1: race predicated thing. There are people who are not of
Speaker 1: the Jewish race Sammy Davis Junior, who can become Jews
Speaker 1: by way of religion. It's a very difficult road to hoe.
Speaker 1: But there's the sense of the race being a component
Speaker 1: of being part of the Jewish faith as well, is
Speaker 1: there not?
Speaker 16: Absolutely so? The technical word for it is it's an
Speaker 16: ethno religious group. It's that combination of ethnicity and religion.
Speaker 16: And we do as a Jewish people, we try to
Speaker 16: take care of one another. Yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 16: only care about Jewish people. I know a lot of
Speaker 16: people beyond the community. But but yeah, you take care
Speaker 16: of your family. That's that's a value in our community.
Speaker 16: And that's been used against us, of course also at
Speaker 16: plenty of times that because we take care of ourselves,
Speaker 16: there must be something wrong with that.
Speaker 1: Well, and the insular sort of perception of that is, oh,
Speaker 1: look at that. You know, they're not letting Themboddy in.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to slice of that action. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not that easy. Of a challenge
Speaker 1: to overcome. Yes, you can become a member of the
Speaker 1: Jewish faith, but I can't become a black person just
Speaker 1: I mean because of by virtue of who I am
Speaker 1: and where I was born and where I came from.
Speaker 16: No, I mean, there's something, like I said, a little
Speaker 16: bit unique about that Jewish identity that you can become
Speaker 16: Jewish even if you're not originally part of the ethnic group,
Speaker 16: so to.
Speaker 1: Speak, I identify as a Jew.
Speaker 12: How's that I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Rabbi Jim, We're gonna pause, take a minute early break,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna dive on into what the how the
Speaker 1: situation unfolded and the Rabbi's comments about the tragic nature
Speaker 1: of how it unfolded, because it did take away from
Speaker 1: the focus of the protests, which was the treatment of
Speaker 1: I'm Aiman Solomon. One more time with Rabbi ri Jun
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Speaker 1: Hey forty seven, Come up any forty eight fifty five
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Speaker 1: Ri John. He wrote an op ed piece in the
Speaker 1: Cincinna Inquired the other day. UH robling Bridge protest turned violent,
Speaker 1: overshadowed cause. Rabbit and I already talked about the cause,
Speaker 1: which was the iced detention of local imum Aimon Solimon
Speaker 1: by all counts, you know, the i've seen you great
Speaker 1: citizen benefit to the community of the bridge builder, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But things went awry at the protests. The bridge was
Speaker 1: taken over and closed down, which then resulted in the
Speaker 1: police apartment showing up. Brab Ai, Your take on that,
Speaker 1: because that's all I remember. If you'd ask me before
Speaker 1: our conversation today what the Roblin Bridge shutdown was all about,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to remember.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 16: I mean, people don't have any clue what the cause is.
Speaker 16: It's the spectacle. This was so predictable of a bad situation.
Speaker 16: That's part of what frustrates me about it, which is
Speaker 16: that I you know, there were rumblings early on that
Speaker 16: the goal here was to block the bridge. I think
Speaker 16: was the exact phrase folks were using. And I did
Speaker 16: a little bit of digging on my own to try
Speaker 16: to see has anyone pulled a permit as this sanction?
Speaker 16: What's the plan here? And I wasn't able to find
Speaker 16: any any evidence one way or another, and that to
Speaker 16: me was a red flag enough that but I came
Speaker 16: to the vigil where faith leaders had gathered before the
Speaker 16: folks walked onto the bridge, and I decided I wasn't
Speaker 16: going on the bridge myself.
Speaker 1: I kind of expect that of you, knowing you as
Speaker 1: I do, I try to be reasonable.
Speaker 16: But look, even before people got onto the bridge, it
Speaker 16: was already a mess. You know, you had people who
Speaker 16: had been organizing, who are wearing high vis vests and
Speaker 16: blocking traffic and things like that, no police to be seen.
Speaker 16: So these were just you know, the burrier's entry was
Speaker 16: who can afford a high vis? Vest on Amazon? And
Speaker 16: it's a recipe for disaster. One of the things about
Speaker 16: this that I think makes it pretty striking is that,
Speaker 16: you know, some situations, everyone messed up. And actually, I'll
Speaker 16: leave one group out. CINCINNATIPD did a fabulous job of managing,
Speaker 16: you know, trying to restore traffic and you know, stop
Speaker 16: people from blocking a bridge, which is an act of
Speaker 16: civil disobedience and they have a right to try to
Speaker 16: stop and and dealing with the protesters effectively. But the
Speaker 16: conflict between Covington PD and the protesters was awful. One
Speaker 16: of those officers from Covington PD has been placed on leave,
Speaker 16: I believe since because of the concerns about what came out.
Speaker 16: And as someone who was there when people started coming
Speaker 16: off of the bridge, I had a fellow clergy member
Speaker 16: who got back after being in the midst of all
Speaker 16: of the conflict, and he didn't know what was about
Speaker 16: to happen. He had been suckered into it, like a
Speaker 16: lot of people had been kind of co opted who
Speaker 16: just thought they were there to demonstrate properly. They figured,
Speaker 16: you know, permits had been polled or whatever planning was
Speaker 16: supposed to have happened had happened. So my clergy friend,
Speaker 16: who you know's wearing his Roman collar and everything. So
Speaker 16: the police didn't do anything to him, but he showed
Speaker 16: me a video right after the fact that he took
Speaker 16: on his phone and I was I was appalled by
Speaker 16: what I saw. Meanwhile, you know, the people trying to
Speaker 16: block the bridge, it's responsible, it's reckless to pull people
Speaker 16: into a cause that they don't understand fully and they
Speaker 16: don't know the risks of you got to give people
Speaker 16: the you know, the information to consent to that kind
Speaker 16: of thing you're engage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost an incitement to mob violence. You know,
Speaker 1: most people went there to do a peaceful protest. The vigil,
Speaker 1: they supported this IMOM. That was the only message they
Speaker 1: wanted to get across. Then when you invade the bridge space,
Speaker 1: you take over the bridge, you block traffic, obviously engaging
Speaker 1: in a crime. But I would it sounds to me
Speaker 1: like the protest was invaded. And I've seen these organized agitators.
Speaker 1: I mean they're all over in every instance. You know,
Speaker 1: they're all dressed the same. Sometimes they're funded by outside organizations.
Speaker 1: But it's as if and perhaps the motive is to
Speaker 1: invite police over reaction. That's the image they want to
Speaker 1: show and project to the rest of the world. Has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the condition of the IMOM, has
Speaker 1: everything to do with the police. And look at the
Speaker 1: brutality that has been on unleashed, that's the visual moment
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 16: I think that there is a good chance of that
Speaker 16: that they were looking for the escalation, And like I said,
Speaker 16: both groups probably are responsible here. Covington PD probably could
Speaker 16: have handled this without as much escalation as occurred, and
Speaker 16: the protesters weren't upset to have escalation. I mean, I
Speaker 16: doubt they wanted to be injured in the way that
Speaker 16: they were injured. They probably didn't enjoy it, but they
Speaker 16: got the you know, they got the social media videos
Speaker 16: that they probably were looking to create out of it.
Speaker 16: So who loses all of the reasonable people who want
Speaker 16: to see attention brought to a case that matters. Look,
Speaker 16: I'm not opposed to civil disobedience within the right parameters.
Speaker 16: You can choose to shut down a bridge, but their
Speaker 16: consequences that are going to happen, and people need to
Speaker 16: know what the consequences they've signed up for are.
Speaker 1: But if they want to shut the bridge down, they
Speaker 1: have to understand that that is going to invite perhaps
Speaker 1: a reaction they don't want. This is no longer about
Speaker 1: discussing the issues and ICE's tree of the Imom. It's
Speaker 1: about people reacting to the bridge being shut down. So
Speaker 1: you might have some otherwise sympathetic people to your message,
Speaker 1: but then we all get pissed off when roads are
Speaker 1: shut down and the traffic's backed up, and we hear
Speaker 1: about the EMS vehicle who couldn't get through with the
Speaker 1: you know, the the close to death injured victim, and
Speaker 1: all these horror stories come out.
Speaker 16: No, I think you use the word infiltrators. And you
Speaker 16: have these these bad actors. They try to take over
Speaker 16: other causes and they turn people off. Yes, and I
Speaker 16: have no patience for it. I don't think any of
Speaker 16: us should have patients for people who try to take
Speaker 16: what should be a peaceful setting and turn it into
Speaker 16: a side shit of good attention for their own thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really do believe that's what's going on,
Speaker 1: and it's a widespread reality. And let's face it ain't
Speaker 1: nothing like social media to bring that reality up very easily.
Speaker 1: You put en us posts out there, somebody's going to
Speaker 1: show up right.
Speaker 16: One hundred percent. And this is an example of that.
Speaker 1: Red by Ari John. It is such a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you in studio to talk about this, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a message for all groups out there.
Speaker 1: If you're going to organize some activities, you need to
Speaker 1: be painfully aware that you might have some of these
Speaker 1: outside agitators come in and ruin the point of your message.
Speaker 1: You need to be calm, cool and collected and don't
Speaker 1: follow the quote unquote heard into the street if that's
Speaker 1: not what you're about. If you want to engage in
Speaker 1: that type of protest, recognize there are going to be consequences,
Speaker 1: but in the final analysis, it's probably not going to
Speaker 1: do your message any good.
Speaker 16: Eyes on the price. You got to do what you've
Speaker 16: said out to do strategically. In this case, it's bringing
Speaker 16: attention to this mom and the detention that he's facing.
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