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Speaker 1: Hello, this is Martin Willis from your host, and welcome

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to podcast UFO. I'm really looking forward to our guest tonight,

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Christopher Sharp. I've been in touch with him, well, I

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don't know, maybe over a year about different things.

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Speaker 2: Really have loved some of his articles.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that he is one of these journalists that

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actually take this topic of UFO's UAP seriously and so

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there's a lot of there's a lot of great articles.

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He has some great sources to go to Liberation Times

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and you'll see all of that. I try to figure

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out how many actual articles on UFOs and UAP there were,

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and there's I don't know a lot, so check it

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out over there. So I don't have the name of

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the blog yet. This is Saturday ahead of the show,

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so keep that in mind. I had to pre record

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with Christopher because of the time difference. When our show

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airs at eight pm Eastern New York time, it's one

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am for him there, and so he and I are

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recording here on Saturday, and I'm going to just bring

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them right in.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Christopher.

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Speaker 3: Hey there. Lovely to be of you, Martin. It's good

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to be talking personally. I think we've actually been in

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touch with twenty twenty three because I remember working on

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the Office of Global Access story with the Daily Mail,

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and I believe I was trying to get in touch

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with Jonathan Wage and yes, I'd love to have him.

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I would have loved to have him for that story,

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but unfortunately were unable to get over the line. But yeah,

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it's fine. The story still turned out great, and I

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want to thank you for your reference as well for

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helping me.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Jonathan is you know, was very traumatized and as

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people have seen him a couple of times on the show,

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you can see his reaction. He is traumatized by the

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whole situation and it did not want to talk to

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any journalists. So it's too bad, because you know, I

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think he has a lot to offer. I believe he's

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very sincere and I think he has a lot to offer,

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and but he he has he has trust issues basically

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because of what happened to him.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can understand.

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Speaker 3: It, so understandable, understandable. But hey, I think you know,

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since then, since we release that story, I think we've

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hopefully learned a lot more about secrecy in you know,

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what's been going on behind the scenes for all these years.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, So where does your since you're writing, you've

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written all these articles all this time, what is your interest?

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How did your interests start in the topic itself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, if we're going to go way back, you know,

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when I was a child and at primary school and

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he asked me to write a story, a creative story.

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It would always involve aliens and stuff, and I guess

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I was always into that, and I really used to

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enjoy watching the documentaries on TV with people like Georgian

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and yeah, it just really captured my imagination. But I

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guess when I started getting into secondary school and university

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kind of like wither away that interested. And obviously you

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get a professional career in London working in public relations

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slash public affairs, and that's a professional world and it's

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kind of like you'd be even scared to talk about

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something like that because it would affectch your career prospects.

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But I think what happened was I think that you know,

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there were a few things that could of captured my interest. Again,

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I think Bob Bazarre going on Joe Rogan with Jeremy

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I remember watching that on a couch because I was

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sleeping on a couch at the time with my family

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when we were waiting for our new home to be built,

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so my family sleep on a couch. And I'm just

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like captivated by this in Bob Lazar's testimony and how

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much seems to have been backed up by history after that.

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And then I guess what happened is COVID happened. And

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I think that was kind of like a kind of

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a black Swan event. And I could see what was

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happening in China in terms of, you know, the infection

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rate and stuff, and it was like, gosh, this is

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really coming our way. And I think seeing people's reaction

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to something that's never happened before, it's been unprecedented, was

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really interesting to me because I remember talking to one

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of my colleagues at the time and I'm like, gosh,

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we're gonna have to go into lockdown and stuff, and

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because it's happening in Italy and he was like, no, no,

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the Italians say kiss each other on the cheek and stuff.

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but like people were just kind of people couldn't get

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it in their heads this was going to happen, and

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and I think I remember at the time seeing a

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report on the Pentagon basically confirming the videos released by

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my gosh, this is like really happening as well. It's

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other kind of a potential black swall event. And because

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I think I had been exposed to just how really

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really intelligent people were reacting to situations that had never

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happened before, and seeing like, actually they're not really that

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intelligent when it comes to it, they're critical thinking skills,

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I just kind of blindsided. I started to take interest

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in the UAP topic because I thought, look, it doesn't

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matter how intelligent you are or anything like that. You know,

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all these scientists and you know, skeptics and stuff. Unfortunately,

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we as humans we suffered from group think and people's

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biggest fear is basically being laughed at and stuff like that. Right, well, actually,

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you know this is this is a really really ripe

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topic to get into. And yes, that's kind of how

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I got into it again after COVID.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it is since twenty seventeen the New

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York Times article came out that really had changed about

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everything as far as the way I reacted, because when

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I started this podcast back in twenty eleven, I really

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kept it quiet. I mean, I didn't even tell my

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son for the first three years, and eventually told him

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that I was doing the show on UFOs basically. But

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if the after that article came out in the New

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York Times and people were talking about it openly, then

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I felt like it wasn't a career crusher for me.

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You know, I'm a fine art and antiqu appraiser and

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I go and speak with clients, and you know, you

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have to have an integrity for things like that, So

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you know, I felt like it really diminished quite a bit.

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And as things are today, I really don't care one

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way or the other what someone thinks about me and

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my thoughts about UFOs.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because I've gotten older, but I just

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you know, you can laugh at me.

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Speaker 2: I don't care, but I think there's something to it now.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is my sister, my brother in law,

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was a scientist at Los Alamos Labs. He retired from there,

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and when I talked to my sister and my brother

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in law, my brother in law is like, yeah, it's

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very possible they could figure out a way to get

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here that we've never you know, we could never figure

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out how to you know, travel that distance. But maybe

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they figured something out. He's like totally open minded. My sister,

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you know, wants to know what's for dinner. She doesn't

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care anything at all. She's never watched ten minutes. My

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younger sister has watched the show many times and participated

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in chat, but my older sisters wants nothing to do

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with the topic. Think there's nothing, thinks there's nothing to it.

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to it, and no matter how much evidence there is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, strange, isn't it. It's just like such an interesting

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topic for human psychology as well to see how people

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react things like my wife really is not interesting topic

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as well, you know. So, yeah, it's just the UFO stuff,

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and I think my dad's really got into it. There's

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my brother and stuff. And we were in Cornwall a

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few years back and we saw like a really weird

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object in the sky, but all pointing at it in

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a pub garden and everyone else is just like they

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don't care. It's just like switched off. So yeah, it's

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really strange. I had an interview with Talk TV in

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the UK the other day as well, and one of

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the other guests on the show was a guy called

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Noel Gardiner who was works with a heritage foundation. He

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was a former aid for Margaret Thatcher and Al playing

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to be like Alex. The host said, like his face

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just sunk because he was like, gosh, like I know

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these people like this is real, like and you still

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like live on TV, just someone reacting to this for

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the first time saying gosh, I really need to start

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taking this serious. Yeah. I just find it really interesting

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how people react to it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I noticed on Liberation Times that there's a

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lot of American and a lot of the United States

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articles related to the United States, and it almost seems

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like the UFOs is like a United States centric topic

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in a way, you know, like there's so many there's

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so much more interest or something.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that is.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it. I don't think it in terms

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of like the cases and stuff. I think that's really

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really cultural, you know, let's look at the mystery drone incidents.

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of it is caught up in the gin. I've got

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a Muslim friend actually and couldn't care anything about UFOs,

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she takes it prey. Seriously, you shouldn't like have flashlights

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and put them in the sky at night, for instance.

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think GIN. And I think that's a really interesting aspect

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to it in terms of the culture. But yeah, a

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lot of the stories tend to be US centric because

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that's where all the action is happening in terms of disclosure.

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and has been for some time now, and it kind

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of like has a monopoly on this top top to

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some extent, especially in the Western world. So yeah, it's

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that's what makes it so interesting. And I think the

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access to that because the language barriers and it's more

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and you know, we share cases like Rendall Sherman, the

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Speaker 1: I just had a conversation someone interviewed me for their

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for for England, because I can't think of any other

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cases monumental as that one.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, have you ever been to that area?

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where some in laws of base and actually it's very

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very close to there. You're just right close to the

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border with Suffolk where it happens. I could actually get

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there quite easily. So yeah, I I should. I should rely,

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I should really get down there. I really really should

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be great to go for a tour there. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of people claim that there's

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still things going on there, and you know, and speaking

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of things going still going on, I saw some type

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of articles somewhere recently where I don't know exactly where

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the drones are happening again, and it just seems like,

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up type of situation because I don't think they really

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knew what was going on. I mean, there were base incursions,

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there was all kinds of things happening, and but the

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drone thing is very much a puzzle you know, some

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of them are just regular drones, maybe commercial drones or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I had a woman on my.

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Speaker 1: Show that described the drone in her backyard and she

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lives in New Jersey. This about a year ago, and

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it was did not seem like a regular drone to me.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I've had I've had similar testing. I've seen

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similar things as well. It's so the way I go

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about this is that I am I'm kind of like

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on the sidelines in the way because I don't really

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know what it is, so I keep different perspectives, and

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you know, I published articles from Frank Melbourne, who thinks

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a lot of it is kind of like Russian activity.

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I published articles from my friend Mike Morgan, a former

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retired retired detective in the UK, who thinks they're actually

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potentially non human. But you know, I'm kind of like

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of the opinion that these could be Chinese as well,

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high tech Chinese. I mean, if we're looking at the

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draining incidents, I mean we've had them in different areas.

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the logs there as well, just say, they just couldn't

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seem to take them down. And they've been happening in Europe,

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some of the bases they're affecting in New Jersey for instance,

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from the the case where you've been seeing lots of

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seen by people like you know, Ryan Grace for instance,

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over the training ranges. You know, it couldn't be that

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these things have kind of like started moving more inland

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now and just kind of like from my understanding, what's

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what's happening. What I'm kind of been told is that

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it is kind of like a mixture between Chinese and

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potential non human craft which are present in these areas.

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Do you remember the guy who like exploded his cyber truck.

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these things were Chinese, are like kind of like anti

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dravitic Chinese things, and it's kind of like basically game over.

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Speaker 3: They could have an unliberity payload of the White House.

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And I find that really really interesting, and I think

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he might be hearing a lot more about that potential

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angle in the months to come. In terms of breakthrough

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Chinese technology, I spoke to someone who's very knowledgeable on this.

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fly their most sophisticated craft over the US when they

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could get shot down? And the person basically said to me,

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it's kind of like, you know, us flying a self

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bomber the Amazon over native tribes. We know that they've

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got nothing to counter this, and that's apparently the way

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that the Chinese feel about this. But I feel there

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is something potentially to that, and I do think that

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this technology has potentially been reversed neared by non human technology.

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And look, the CIA is going to be keeping tabs

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on these because you know, just just as we're seeing

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over the test ranges potentially, and I think over Packs

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where they test a lot of high tech draones. From that,

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the Russians and the Chinese are keeping tabs on these

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areas they have been since the Cold War. They've got

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submarines off the coast from my understanding, and they're looking

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to see if there's any breakthrough technology being demonstrated over

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these test ranges by the US, and the US is

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doing the same thing in China and Russia. They're looking

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at their kind of like their base is where they're

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testing the advanced craft, saying okay, are we observing anything

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that seems to be breakthrough, you know, and potentially linked

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to reverse engineering of you know, alien craft as well.

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From understanding, so it's such a it's a very really

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interesting topic, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there was there was the drone incident

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over Colorado I think it was four years ago then

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that that probably wouldn't have anything to do with China.

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There was probably a whole separate type of situation, I

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would imagine, But do you remember that in Colorado? I

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think maybe four years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my colleague Marry von Rennen kanf was has been

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covering that. From understanding, I'm not too familion the details,

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but yeah, I agree, I think as well, like because

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what you're kind of suggesting there as well is that

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you know, just because we see something in the sky

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that seems weird. It doesn't mean it's all from the

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same origin. You know, like when you see a commercial jet,

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you know it says American Airlines. You can't then just

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like think, okay, there's another gettist guy that's American Airlines

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as well. Now you've got different companies and like that,

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different origins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this is yeah, this is an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 2: I'm really enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I never really thought about the

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drones being a possibility of some type of reverse you know,

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engineering breakthrough technology. But you know, it's that is an

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angle that there is a possibility. And you know, because

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I would think that if this really did happen, like

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David Grush did say and and others have talked about it,

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it wouldn't just be the United States that these things

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have crashed and been you know, the retrievals weren't just here.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't think, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, people always ask me, okay, so why would technology

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like that crash? You know, it's like the first thing,

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it doesn't make any sense. Something could get here from

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wherever it's coming from and crash.

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Speaker 2: How could that be?

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, what do you what are your thoughts,

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how would you answer that question?

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Speaker 3: So that's really really good actually, so on the on

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the Chinese aspects. So you know, one of one of

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the reasons for kind of like getting this out, and

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I think you know you would have seen it in

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the age of disclosure, is that the Chinese may have

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made breakthroughs in terms of their own reverse engineering, and

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they now may now you know, potentially be able to

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get ahead of the US and have dominance over this

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because the US the programs are so kind of they

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can't compartmented, and you can't really get enough people to

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look at it and make any breakthroughs from the technology.

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So you know, one of the aims is basically to

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ensure that there's more people looking at this, more engineers,

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more physicists, So that that's one of the aims. And

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from my understanding there is actually I've been told this disclosure.

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If we're going to go there, you can I have

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been told that you can actually provide access to the

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craft and you can actually disclose the fact that you've.

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Speaker 5: Got the the vehicles of non human origin, and that

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would would likely not cause a huge national security impact

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in terms of adversaries because I've been told that you know,

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Russia and China have got similar things, so it's kind

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of like, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: You know, they've all got kind of like similar things

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that they're working with. The only sensitive thing would be

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how far you've gotten reverse engineering in this technology. That's

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the only sensitive thing. So you may not go as

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far as to say, look, this is what we've managed

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to do, and this is how we've managed to exploit

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this technology. But you could basically say, yes, we have

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this and yeah. I think one of my sources basically

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said you could come.

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Speaker 6: Up with like a nuclear regularatory commission kind of like

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models there in terms of controlling access to the craft

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and just deal with it like you would like a nuclear.

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Speaker 3: Program, which I think is very really interesting. And then

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in terms of your your question in terms of crashes,

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different factions of non humans and some of the crashes

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are due to that them shooting each other other. Stuff

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is being seen in space in orbit, and the craft

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in space which basically are being shot in space, shut

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down in space, if you can say, are being deorbited

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and brought back to Earth. But a lot of from

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my understanding, a lot of these vehicles are coming from

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archaeological excavations or from cage systems. That's where a lot

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of these are coming from, rather than kind of like crashes.

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And then in terms of the crashes, in terms of

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rosso I've also been told as well that what crash

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there was actually two human made craft reverse engineered from

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non human craft, stemming from the alleged Magenta crash in

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nineteen thirty three. So what happened was that the Italians

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and Nazis were working on their program and during World

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War two, from what I've been told is that the

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Nazis were working on stuff in Spain, as I say

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to country, and I've got a friend actually who lives

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in the area Marbeo in southern Spain. There was a

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lot of stuff being tested there. And basically the story

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is is that that craft that the Germans and the

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Italians were working on got transferred to argent after the war,

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and the Allies meanwhile, we'll work on their own program

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once they captured rupt and they started kind of like

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working on it in right Patterson. And what happened was

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it was up in the sky and had a dogfight

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with the the Argentine craft and Apparently the things on

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board were kind of like biological curve like clones and

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the Nazis, if you're going to believe this story, which

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is what I be told, the natsers kind of like

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main contact with like basically like a faction of Nordic

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Aliens or something like that, and that to pilot their craft,

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they were using these curve by clones and they helped

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you know, the Germans and the Americans. So the bodies

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on board with like clones. I know, this is so

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far out here, this story is, but I mean I

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reported it, but yeah, it's really interesting because you hear

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Tom Dilologis basically say that he believes that the thing

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that crashed at Roswell was Nazi from Argentina. So yeah,

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it's it's interesting. So I don't know how that story

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way age. I thought i'd get that out there because

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it was interesting. I think that's probably you know, part

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of the secrecy of why it's been so secret for

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so long is because this is all wrapped up potentially

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in kind of like Nazis and what they were doing

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during the war, and it was transferred to America.

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Speaker 1: Well that's very interesting. I think of like the Virginia

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case that James Fox did a lot of work on,

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and I was at the Press Club recently when he

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had that event there. But I think of that case

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in particular when you know, there was a lot of

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witnesses and I think also credible witnesses. The doctor there

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that finally came forward, he didn't talk about it for

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you know, thirty somebody and then finally said I was there,

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and you know, he recently had our heart attack.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want.

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Speaker 1: To go out without telling, you know, his side of

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what supposedly really happened. I think he's sincere. He didn't

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make any money on this. He you know, he he's

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emotional about it and all that. The bottom line is

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that I'm trying to get to a point, and that

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is you know, that was also a crash. You know,

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beings were seen later in the village and around, but

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that crash, it seemed like instantly the military showed up.

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And there's so many crashes you hear about. The military

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seems to show up almost.

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Speaker 2: Like they're tracking something.

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Speaker 1: And then the Americans show up all over the world.

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You know, someone without any insignia, someone with American weapons,

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with a regular American accent, you know, and Jonathan Wygan

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thought they were from the Duh Department of Energy, and

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that would almost make sense. And I just wonder what

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your thoughts on that general topic would are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I think when we're talking in South America,

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we were talking about kind of cover there potentially to

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do with kind of counter drug missions. So, you know,

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before the interview were talking Bridge Denial for instance, which

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is a program over South America to stop the the

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drug the drug planes from smuggling drugs over which is

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tied up with the Jonathan Wagent story as well, because

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the the operation that he was part of was part

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of that overall program and overall program led to a

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civilian craft being shot down by the Peruvian Air Force

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working with the CIA which cause a big controversy, and

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there was a report that came out from CIAIG which

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actually identified other instances were not enough diligence is taken

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before they actually shot something down. I think from understanding

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that one of the incidents happened on the exact month

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and year where Jonathan said, you know, he had his experience,

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So I think that's really interesting and I think as

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well that you know, I've reported recently that from my understanding,

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00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:37,720
James Clapper and Stephanie O'Sullivan when they were working in

478
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:43,160
od and I during the Obama administration, they had previously

479
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:51,279
been working on programs to shoot down UFOs and retrieve them,

480
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,240
and they took those programs with them within the Office

481
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,480
of the Director of National Intelligence. So and that that

482
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:05,200
information has come to me from multiple sources that step

483
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,920
the gas out of the th and James Clapper were

484
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,400
part of this kinectic slash retrieval program of your phase.

485
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: Now, wasn't he an age of disclosure?

486
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it?

487
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well that's that's something else. Yeah, so.

488
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,039
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's so baffling as far as you know,

489
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:29,960
the retrievals.

490
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of.

491
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: Times people will say, well, you know, if you gave

492
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,400
someone an iPhone back, you know, two hundred years ago,

493
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,240
they wouldn't be able to do anything with it. They

494
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,759
wouldn't be able to reverse engineer it. Is that where

495
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,680
we are, you know, I mean, I would think that

496
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:49,079
the technology would be just so alien. Yeah, I know,

497
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,359
it's kind of a punt, but so alien to us

498
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,720
how we could ever figure out how to you know,

499
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,839
get into something and figure out what makes a tick?

500
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there there are different perspectives on this, and I

501
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,240
think when we're when we're looking at it, you have

502
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:07,799
to think what side of the story we are we getting,

503
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,160
you know. So these are just kind of like general

504
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,319
questions I like to ask, because we're kind of getting

505
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,039
scope from the intelligence world and from the military world

506
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,720
in terms of what's been happening with the reverse engineering

507
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,480
and the retrievals. But do we really have a lot

508
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,960
of eyes in relation to what's happened within the d OE,

509
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:38,599
the Department of Energy. I don't know. So this is

510
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:42,000
the thing, like, so when people say we can't really

511
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,799
understand these craft, this these physics and beyond our understanding

512
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,519
for now or whatever, you know, are we only getting

513
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:55,079
that from a certain viewpoint? Are we only getting this from,

514
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,079
you know, the people who are working on the material

515
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,240
side of it, you know, from the Department of War

516
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,480
for example, or are we only getting it from the

517
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,759
people who are kind of like in the intelligence world,

518
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,119
you know, and they're trying to find out motives origin

519
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:18,519
stuff like that, capabilities. I don't think we've really access

520
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,839
in terms of whistleblowers from the DOE who have kind

521
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,680
of come out basically kind of going into the physics

522
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:32,960
model that they think these craft come from, and you know,

523
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,759
the energy systems and stuff like that. I think that's

524
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:38,960
what's really really interesting, and I don't think we've really

525
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:43,000
within the UFO community had enough exposure to that. And

526
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:46,319
because of that, it's difficult to say as well, how

527
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,160
much this technology has been exploited. You get different accounts.

528
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,279
You get some people, as they said, we've not really

529
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,759
made much progress because we don't re understand it. We've

530
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:59,279
made some progress, you know, apparently there is like a

531
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:03,720
TR THREEB type thing that's going around and it could

532
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:06,119
be a drone, could be could have people on board,

533
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,359
but apparently that is a thing and it's an I

534
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,599
R kind of like capable vehicle. But then you've got

535
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:18,480
other people basically saying, actually, you know, we've got ships

536
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,279
out in space going to other solar systems and stuff.

537
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:26,200
So it's very difficult to understand. But then again, it's

538
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:28,720
just from where the whistleblowers are coming from. You know,

539
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,440
are they coming from the DOE, Are they coming from

540
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,880
the DOW, which part of the DOW? Are they coming

541
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,799
from the IC? Okay, which part of the IC? So

542
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,519
you have to as a journalist like or research to

543
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,440
just try to see if you could put the puzzle together.

544
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: Right, Great, So I'd like to shift gears a little

545
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,880
bit because I know we spoke just before and you

546
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:54,119
have looked into this, the missing.

547
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,079
Speaker 2: McClelland mc how do you say his.

548
00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: Last name, mill mccats lines, Yeah.

549
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: The Castland.

550
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, and this again we're recording

551
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,920
here on Saturday. Who knows, you know, they may find him,

552
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,319
but all of a sudden he becomes missing. And can

553
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:14,680
you talk a little bit what you know about him

554
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,359
in particular?

555
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:20,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he was the former commander of the Air

556
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,599
Force Research Laboratory. He was kind of like one of

557
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:29,200
the way guys we've been right, Patterson, And he was

558
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,440
an advisor to Tom DeLonge. Oh yes, his UFO efforts

559
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:40,119
the General And I believe that he basically from my

560
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,920
understanding for I mean toal he basically admitted, yes, you know,

561
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,680
we've got the Roswell craft. This is what happened. I

562
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,279
think he gave him the Argentina story perhaps as well,

563
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,079
and he gave it all this insight and he helped

564
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,759
him put together his advisory team. So he was like

565
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,200
he basically he was in the center of all this,

566
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,880
and you know this has been proven by emails that

567
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160
it was leaked as part of the death of emails.

568
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,719
His wife is basically confirmed that he worked for Launch

569
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,599
Now as well. So I mean, this is a guy.

570
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,280
I mean, I know that he retired thirteen years ago,

571
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:18,480
and his wife has basically said, oh, it's nothing you know,

572
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,159
a foreign intelligence service or something like that might need

573
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,199
from him because he retired thirteen years ago. I mean,

574
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,840
come on, this guy. America protects its secrets very very well,

575
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,719
and even if he retired thirteen years ago, he was

576
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,719
likely read into stuff and he knows stuff that a

577
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,360
foreign intelligent service would love to know. So the story

578
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:43,360
is basically that he went missing. I think Friday may

579
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,480
have been And what happens is that he went missing

580
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:49,360
and he didn't have his He didn't take his phone

581
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,679
with him, didn't take.

582
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: Care of that. That's a really unusual not to take

583
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,400
his phone.

584
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, he isn't Avid, because I've been looking at

585
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,039
his Facebook all the time actually kind of like piecing

586
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:06,079
together who he is. And he loves hiking. You often

587
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,199
see him climbing mountains or going up into the hills

588
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,800
and stuff. That's what he lives or basically loves being

589
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,480
on events and stuff, and so, I mean he's very

590
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,599
very good. He knows the area very very well. There

591
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:25,000
were rumors that he had dementia because a RO alert

592
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,039
had been put out, but from my understanding what his

593
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:32,079
wife said, he didn't have dementia. He was very very sound.

594
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,239
He was still very very sharp. And other people that

595
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,800
know him have told me that his wife was a

596
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:45,760
doctor's appointment and that's when he went missing. So yeah,

597
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,480
it's a complete mystery. They've got everyone looking for him.

598
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,960
They got drones, they've got the county sheriff that, they've

599
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,079
got Kirtland Air Force Base assistant assisting, they got the

600
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:06,239
US Air Force assisting, the Office of Investigations, and they

601
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,599
just he's completely missing. And it's a complete mystery of

602
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,840
what's happened. Why would he just go alone without his foe,

603
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,159
without his watch and just leave it just like none

604
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,239
of it really adds. I believe that his wife does

605
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,079
not think it was a kidnapping either, but how do

606
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,320
you know? And it's interesting cases as well, because how

607
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,639
does the United State Because this isn't just a missing

608
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,719
person's case, it's someone of high value, who knows a

609
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,400
lot of the secrets basically, who has got How does

610
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,400
the United States handle something like that? Is it seen

611
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,920
as a national security situation as well? I would love

612
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,880
to ask that, Actually I should ask the FBI that

613
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,000
do you see his disappearance as a national security situation?

614
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,800
And of you know, alarm in terms of that. So

615
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,800
it's a very fascinating case. And you know, first and foremost,

616
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,239
I just like he's found me safe.

617
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, me too, and by the time this airs,

618
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,920
that's a possibility. So another I just looked at an

619
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,960
article you just published, which I did like a little

620
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,480
show on it myself, and that is the h you know,

621
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,320
Obama talking uh and kind of joking, but it kind

622
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,960
of went viral, so you walked it back and uh

623
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,519
that that was interesting. And but but this is a

624
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:33,079
really nice article that you you wrote on the fourth

625
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,760
and uh, you know, and kind of the fallout and

626
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,519
then the reaction and where it could lead, you know,

627
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,840
what what Trump may do with it all and all

628
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,719
of that. But what is your overall, uh general feeling

629
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:49,679
do you think?

630
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

631
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: You know, I remember I think it was Bill Clinton

632
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,000
that you know one wanted to get the UFO files released,

633
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:59,480
or maybe it was Jimmy Carter one of them, and

634
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,559
they always seem to hit roadblocks no matter what has said.

635
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:06,400
And so how do you think this is going to

636
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:06,880
end up?

637
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:08,079
Speaker 3: I have not.

638
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I don't watch the news.

639
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,639
I avoid watching the news in general, so I really

640
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:18,440
don't know if there's any movement forward. And that's kind

641
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,519
of your job watching the news. So have you seen

642
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:23,239
any forward movement on anything?

643
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yes I have. So people who are working on

644
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,159
this right now are very very villish represented persons, very

645
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,119
very bullish on this. He's quite happy with the progress.

646
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,079
Jeremy Corbell, who I speak to, I believe he said

647
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:45,239
that the Pentagon of the White House, he's been in

648
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,480
contact with like communications people from there and they're wondering

649
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,039
how they get their message straight about this, and he's

650
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,920
basically said, you need to be radically honest and just

651
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,679
provide the truth. And they've got a bunch of different

652
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:04,440
agencies at the moment, all working on this. I think

653
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,280
Burgerson said that, well, it's actually public acknowledge that the

654
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,079
All Domain and Nomni Resolution Office is involved, but there's

655
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:16,320
also places above the or Domain and Nomnly Resolution Office

656
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,559
which involved as well. So a lot of people are

657
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:24,880
quite skeptical that it's involvement, but yeah, it's all in

658
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,559
hand from my understanding. And meanwhile, the White House has

659
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:35,079
given an approval for Representative Burlerson to go to places

660
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:42,440
where UAP materials allegedly stored, and I reported that I

661
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,639
believe it was last week. Represented Bernison did visit Protuction

662
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,119
River in Maryland, which is an AWARE station and that's

663
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,559
where material was supposed to be delivered, let's say, for

664
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:02,480
Bob Bigelow for the transfer that was going to take

665
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:07,360
place between Buckied Martin and Biggeler. And there was a

666
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,320
hangar that was built at that facility and a crane

667
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,920
and a private runway as well for Bob Biggelers that

668
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,559
he could discreetly get there and get out. And I

669
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:25,960
believe that Representative Burson went to that facility from Minus Downing.

670
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:29,039
He did see a hangar, he saw a crane, and

671
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,239
he saw the runway as well that Biggler was used.

672
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,840
And basically for him, that kind of like supports the

673
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,239
story that actually there is something to this narrative. I've

674
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,159
seen something physical now that suggests that the infrastructure was

675
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:48,000
there to facilitate something. But I mean there might be

676
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,519
some more to that story. I still need to check

677
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,360
with people to see all the details of correct and stuff.

678
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,639
You know, was that the exact facility for instance, that

679
00:40:56,119 --> 00:41:01,400
was built for this purpose. But yeah, he got approval

680
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,000
from the White House to do that. I think he

681
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,920
should go back to pact Tuxent River as well. I've

682
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,239
been told that there is actually a non human craft

683
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,440
at the at the base that has been there for

684
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,559
a number of years now, in addition to the UAP

685
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,039
materials that we're going to be part of the transfer

686
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,320
between Lockheed and bige Ay. But yeah, and if you

687
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,199
look at the base as well, you know, Lucky Skug

688
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,039
Works does have a presence there, so it kind of

689
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:29,840
like all makes sense from that perspective.

690
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's a you mentioned like Lockheed and Bigelow,

691
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,840
these are these are entities that are outside of you know,

692
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,679
government oversight. So in a way, I'm kind of surprised

693
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,199
that he was given access to, you know, to this

694
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,039
whole thing, or is going to be given access because

695
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,280
that's been probably the place to hide this type of thing.

696
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Is you know, a private entity, so it can't be accessed. Yeah,

697
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,039
I remember I asked up. I interviewed Christopher Mellan all

698
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,239
the way back in twenty fifteen, and he said to

699
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,320
me at that time that if a president wants to

700
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,239
know anything, he will have.

701
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: The right to know. They can't keep it from him.

702
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: But the only way they could keep it from him

703
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,800
is if it was outside of what they had a

704
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,119
need to know. You know that that type of situation.

705
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,519
So you know, again it's kind of like stovepiping getting

706
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,840
it out of reach into private entities.

707
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how far we'll get.

708
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,119
Speaker 3: Well, well, the thing is, the big thing is is

709
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:46,159
that from an standing say, you know, we only destroyed secrecy,

710
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,039
you know, started treatment an Eisenhower. So if you're a president,

711
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:55,159
you know part of this initial cover up, you want

712
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,119
to make sure that there is an oversight. We've be

713
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:02,400
in the White House still believe that their oversight within

714
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,719
the White House was created Let's say in certain offices,

715
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,480
you know, let's say National Security Council, maybe two more

716
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:15,119
offices as well, let's say, and that remains, and that

717
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,320
there are people serving within those offices who do know

718
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,239
the truth, that have oversight of the UAP programs that

719
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,000
are career bureaucrats and they do not change with administrations.

720
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,159
This is that that's a very very big deal. And

721
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,599
unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk more about that, but

722
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,599
I can say that, you know, there's a good reason

723
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,239
for that. You know, Gary Nolan has basically come out

724
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,920
and said that someone from the White House has threatened

725
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,159
him with death. So I'm not gonna I'm not I'm

726
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:54,199
not going to go there. And also we've heard story

727
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,079
about Mark and Dreison as well. You know, one of

728
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:00,400
Elon's friends who's an advocate for artificial intelligence, he had

729
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,400
a meeting with someone from the White House as well,

730
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,320
and they told him that, you know, we can put

731
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,159
AI back in the box. We managed to classify physics,

732
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,199
and we can do exactly the same thing with artificial indergence.

733
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,599
So I think there is a lot of power in

734
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:18,760
the White House that is hidden President Trump, that bureaucrats

735
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,320
who have insignificant titles, let's say, are burrowed in offices

736
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,360
that no one really pays much attention to, but they're

737
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,639
very very powerful in practice.

738
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: Say, I've always wondered how there could be like a

739
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:38,039
generational legacy of something and to say, if there is

740
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:39,039
some type of cover up.

741
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:41,519
Speaker 2: How that would like to say, we had.

742
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: Roswell in a couple of boxes somewhere and you know,

743
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,239
and it's known about and it's cataloged and whatever. I'm

744
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,079
just how does that move forward, like in a generational legacy,

745
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,320
And you know, I mean it's just it's I don't

746
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,519
really understand how that works. You know, we're talking seventy

747
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:03,199
years you know, yeah for something like that.

748
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean from understanding, there was something like

749
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,440
an MG twelve. We had all these powerful people just

750
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:16,280
kind of like coordinating the reaction the secrecy. And since

751
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,320
then it's kind of like devolved into little fieftings and

752
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,079
stuff and it's not as well organized now but just continues.

753
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,039
And yeah, like a Right Pats And Air Force space.

754
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,079
I remember talking to someone who had a family member

755
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,840
working now. It's like they were telling me that, yeah,

756
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,679
it's basically an open secret like at right Patterson Air

757
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,360
Force basically working at there, that there there are aliens there,

758
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,599
you know, dead bodies like in the basement. Like everyone

759
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,079
just kind of like knows that Right Patterson Air Force bace.

760
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,079
It's like, yeah, we just know it's part of our

761
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:53,719
everyday life, you know. So yeah, it's it's an interesting

762
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,639
it's very very interesting to see how it all works

763
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:58,400
and how it all comes together. You know.

764
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,119
Speaker 1: You know, I've told this story a couple of times,

765
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,039
but I think it's interesting. I think you'll find it interesting.

766
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:10,320
In South Carolina, I'm part of a strummers group, guitar group,

767
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,199
and there's a gentleman there that's long retired and he

768
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,559
used to work as a as a civilian at right

769
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:24,599
pat and he said that he used to have water

770
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,800
cooler talk with all the Project Blue Book guys, you know.

771
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:31,360
And then he said, and then it closed down and

772
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,440
they were still there, he said, like into the first

773
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,440
part of the seventies.

774
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: He said, same guys. You know, they were still there.

775
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,559
Speaker 1: They were still talking UFOs, you know, which I think

776
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,480
is really bizarre.

777
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: It's brilliant. I would love to be in these places

778
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,480
just see the conversations that they have. And you know,

779
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,440
we're talking about right pass there space. And I think

780
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,119
one of the things that a lot of people could

781
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:01,000
like get into is IDEAH forces covering is up. The

782
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:02,880
Air Force is covering up. Yeah, of course it is.

783
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,360
But also the Navy has its certain programs as well.

784
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,039
The Army does remember we make about cave systems and

785
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:12,360
stuff like that. I'm going to go into the cave

786
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,199
system be part of the Army, let's say, and the

787
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,199
DOE as well. Thee is like a really really big

788
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,599
one and kind of like look at the national labs

789
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:33,400
aspects and universities at work those national labs. That's really

790
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,079
interesting relationship as well.

791
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, it's funny how the Navy seems

792
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,519
to have the most transparency and you know, the Armed

793
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:47,480
Force is not the Air Force when it comes to

794
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,360
the United States. The Navy is like, yeah, I mean

795
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,320
the reporting is okay, and you know, on and on

796
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:53,719
and on.

797
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: You don't hear anything from the Air Force really to

798
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:56,840
speak of.

799
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,599
Speaker 3: So the Navy. So from I understanding, you know, the

800
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:03,239
Navy was leading with disclosure.

801
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 7: If you look at the if you look at the

802
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,159
medias that released from the Pentagon when it was officially

803
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,960
confirmed and they were released, who released that it was

804
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,400
now there which is based at Patucks River.

805
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 8: Uh so is now coincidences apparently where they have the

806
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,039
UFO as well, And that's also where Salvator PaaS was

807
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,159
based and he came up with these crazy patents or patents,

808
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,079
isn't that a coincidence, you know that it all came

809
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:42,000
from this particular place, so that that that's something that's

810
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,280
really really interested me.

811
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 3: I think with the US Air Force, the most interesting

812
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,199
response I got was James Crapper. James Capper is always

813
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:54,599
the interesting response I get from skeptics. Es say US

814
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:58,119
Air Force could not deny his allegations from the Age

815
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:02,159
of Disclosure. They just it couldn't. They couldn't deny it

816
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:05,679
basically that there was like a UFO program above Area

817
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,559
fifty one in the nineties. So that's really interesting. And

818
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,000
when I had a conversation with former ARROW Deputy director

819
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:22,599
and acting director Tim Phillips, I tell you it was

820
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:26,480
it was very, very interesting because he seemed unaware of

821
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:29,920
what Clapper had said in the Agent Disclosed, because he

822
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:33,159
was always saying, Oh, it's circular reporting. Oh you can't

823
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:36,440
believe these whistle blowers, blah blah blah. And they said, oh,

824
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,920
did you know James Clapper, because I know that Tim

825
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:41,000
used to work with an O. D and I, And

826
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,920
he said, oh, I love James Clapperho he's a brilliant professional.

827
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,679
He's some night admire And he was saying that when

828
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,639
he was no d and I he used to meet

829
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:50,840
with Clapper I think once a week, and he was

830
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,800
just a brilliant person and he loves the guy. I

831
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,599
was like, okay, sir, Clapper is basically said that there's

832
00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,639
a UFO program you're in report with Arrow basically said

833
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,039
that was at the UFO program from Project from blue

834
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:08,320
Book until you know all sap ate it. So like

835
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,480
if he was to tell you there was a program

836
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,440
that was seeing stuff over every fifty one, would you

837
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,440
say that he was a BS person as well? Like

838
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,840
all these are with the global claiming up. Well, I'd

839
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,840
have to talk to James about that, he said. I

840
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,960
was like, yeah, please do. If you're still in contact

841
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,320
with me, get in touch. And I said, please let

842
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,400
me know how that conversation goes to him. I'm very

843
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,079
very interested to know. So I think that's really really

844
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:35,400
interesting and it also tells me as well that James

845
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,840
Clapper was not one of the people that talked to

846
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:45,079
the Arrow. I think that Clapper is a key person

847
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:48,599
to unlocking this. He has been in Washington, from my understanding,

848
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:50,679
talking to people. I don't know who he's spoken to,

849
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,440
but I think you know, no matter what your political persuasion.

850
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:57,480
He is someone that carries a lot of weight, you know.

851
00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:02,480
And and interestingly as well, I bought his biography when

852
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,719
I did an article about him and Stephanie yourself. Interestingly,

853
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,800
he used to work with Bobby ray in Them and

854
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,920
he James Clapper loves Bobby ray in Them because I

855
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,360
think in the early eighties slash late seventies, Clapper was

856
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:27,199
a US Air Force NSA liaison, so he worked between

857
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:31,559
Bobby ray Inland and another guy who was very, very

858
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,840
senior with a US Air Force. So that's how he

859
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,719
got that relationship. Going. Yeah, this really Interestingly, you kind

860
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,639
of piece all these things together.

861
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,559
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah.

862
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,599
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like in some ways, I don't

863
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,679
know what your moral feeling is, but in some ways

864
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,360
I feel like we're really moving forward.

865
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: There's really going to be something happened. You know. Trump

866
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,400
just said, okay, we're going to release everything. There's a

867
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,000
lot of interest in it, you know. But I've seen.

868
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,599
Speaker 1: This type of thing before, and it seems like two

869
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,840
steps forward, one step back, you know. I'm just wondering,

870
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,760
how do you feel. Do you feel like there's potential

871
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,559
like of actually being quote unquote disclosure.

872
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: Let's say let's look at it like this. Let's say

873
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,880
the whole disclosure movement we've seen at the moment may

874
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,400
be a reaction to a potential breakthrough that has happened

875
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,480
with the Chinese in relation to UFO technology. Let's say

876
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,719
that you know Luisondoree, people like that who came out,

877
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,599
we were kind of like part of the reason why

878
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:42,320
they were trying to get this out is because they

879
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:49,079
had seen signs that the Chinese were outpacing the US,

880
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,719
and that there were signs that there was breakthrough technology.

881
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,119
It was like, gosh, the Chinese can work at this scale.

882
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,760
We don't have anything near close to this. We need

883
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,480
to open these things up. And let's say that Matthew

884
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:06,000
Libelsburg was correct in terms of these apparent drones being

885
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:12,119
of Chinese technology, and it's basically game over if we've

886
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:15,119
got these pressures. If that is real, if we're talking

887
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,800
about this kind of situation, I think that the US

888
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,800
has no choice. They would need to kind of like

889
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,840
have They would have to have a system whereby you

890
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:34,079
know more what civilians, scientists and engineers could have access

891
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:37,119
to these to these craft. And I think the US

892
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:41,559
basically has to compleane saying that, yes, we are being

893
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,960
visited by what we think is a non human intelligence,

894
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:50,440
and we have captured some craft, and we're going to

895
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,920
start a program to open these up for wider research,

896
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,880
to ensure that the US stays at the cutting edge

897
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,000
of technology and that we that we continue to have

898
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,880
dominance in terms of military tech. I think they have

899
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,559
to say that, and I think we've come close already.

900
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,719
I mean I would have been in your hand off,

901
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,119
like about three years ago if anyone have basically said that,

902
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,880
you know, from the US government had said that we've

903
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,719
seen forty to fifty craft that we can't explain that

904
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,599
seemed to be beyond any known human system. We're seeing

905
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:29,599
stuff in space, we're seeing stuff in the air, and

906
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:33,559
we can't. We have the best scientists, best people looking

907
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:36,280
at this. They can't explain the stuff that we're seeing.

908
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,280
We're talking about instantaneous acceleration and signature management and all

909
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,679
these things. I would have been in your hand off that, well,

910
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,519
that is exactly what Tim Fidit's former acting head of

911
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,880
the eldermin No Nominee Resolution Office, told me two weeks ago.

912
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,159
So we've got that already. So why can't the President

913
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:55,920
now say.

914
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,639
Speaker 1: This right right, Well, it will be it will be

915
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,880
interesting to see where this goes. But you know I've

916
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,159
said on this show before also that you know, we

917
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:12,039
have such a political divide in this country that no

918
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:16,440
matter who is president, are they going to believe you know,

919
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,360
if a president announces it, whether it's a Democrat or

920
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:25,119
Republican or whoever's in office, whenever it's announced, how many

921
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,760
people are going to believe it's real or how many

922
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,400
people are just going to ignore it and just say

923
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,039
it's bs and move on, you know what I mean.

924
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:36,199
I guess if we actually could see the technology, and

925
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,920
we could see it, you know, publicly, then that would

926
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:39,960
be what we would need.

927
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.

928
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: Well, look, I think in the US, this is one

929
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,000
of the rare topics which brings Democrats and Republicans together. Firstly,

930
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:57,000
you know, Barack Obama and Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Republicans

931
00:55:57,079 --> 00:55:59,280
and Democrats. This is the thing that brings more together.

932
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,320
So you would have much argument in regards to that,

933
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,199
and what is available to Donald Trump in terms of

934
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:12,480
intelligence can also be made. It could also be gained

935
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,920
by Barack Obama. Another former presence still receive briefings, so

936
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,400
they could back Donald Trump up, and like you said,

937
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,599
you know, I think I think that might be a

938
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:25,400
key driver. You know, I think you have to I

939
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,559
think you have to provide access to these craft. You

940
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,119
have to say that we've recovered tic TACs as part

941
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:34,679
of archaeological NISUS potentially and all these other crevic craft sources,

942
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,800
and you know, we need to make this a national

943
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,719
kind of like effort to understand what we're dealing with here.

944
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:42,000
I think they need to do that.

945
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do agree.

946
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: You know, you made a good point because I've actually

947
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,960
said that myself. It is very bipartisan.

948
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:50,559
Speaker 2: You know.

949
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:54,199
Speaker 1: I was there during the hearings the first two public

950
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:56,679
hearings in Washington, d C. I was in the room

951
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with David Grush, you know, was there and all that,

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and I saw, you know, Democrats and Republicans that normally,

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you know, fight against each other basically like asking really

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really good questions, and you know, all seem seeming to

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be on the same side. So that was, Yeah, that

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made me feel like there was hope and I kind

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of forgot all about that, you know when I pose

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that question, because I do agree there is it is

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a bipartisan situation.

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Speaker 2: So if you would go ahead.

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Speaker 1: And just you know, plug your Liberation Times and you

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know your articles and all that, and go ahead.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, just firsty, thank you so much for

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having on. I've really enjoyed this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, me too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find my articles on Liberation Times dot com.

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You can find me on x you know my hand

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was Chris uk shop without on the end, and you

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can also see my work and daily mail as well.

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So yeah, just yes, if you read my articles, thank

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you so much. If you're supporter, thank you so much.

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And yeah, let's we're on this discovery mission together basically,

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and yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and I know it's late there for you,

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so thank you so much for coming on. And it's

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been a real pleasurable conversation.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Likewise, thank you Martin take care of himself

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Speaker 1: You too, Yes, all right, all right, So next Tuesday

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we have Jeff Silver on and thank you all for

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hanging in and remember to keep your eyes to