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Speaker 1: Katie Faust is president and founder of Them before Us.

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So who's the them, them as kids? Who's the US

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parents and older people. She is a international speaker and

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author multiple times. Now this is her third book. She's

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been to the UN She's confronted them about what they're

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doing to parental rights. Her new book is about pro

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child politics. Katie Faust joins us now on The Todd

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Herman Show. Thank you God Almighty for making it possible.

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Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by

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big pharma, technocrarats and tyrants everywhere. Now from the high

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mountains of Free America, here's the Emerald City exile Cod Herman.

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Speaker 1: Today is a day the Lord has made, and these

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are the times which God has decided we shall live.

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And it's always a thrill to have with me my friend,

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and I am honored to call her friend, Katie Faust. Katie,

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welcome back to the Toddhurman Show. So I want to

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get into what pro child politics means to you and

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what these policies would be and how we as a

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country adopt this. So get ready to present this to

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us in actionable form. Things that we can do. Positions,

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we can vote for and even if you're a mind

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to do this, people for whom we can vote to.

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Katie Faust is with me. She's a three time author.

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There's a link to the latest book. You can get

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that in the show notes. So, Katie fous what make

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up pro child politics? How do we take action on this?

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And what can we go do?

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Speaker 3: We took nineteen of the most evergreen political issues, the

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things that are always going to come up at every

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single election, and we said, if we framed this in

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terms of what was best for children, what.

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Speaker 4: Would policy look like?

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Speaker 3: And so we've got all the social issues, we've got

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the economic issues. We even got the national security people

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to come in here. You've got the three different legs

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of the concern stool represented here, and we brought them

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all together because when you actually craft policy based on

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the next generation, you get principled conservatism. So the book

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sort of functions as a primer, like three thousand words

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on ESG. If you don't know what that is and

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how to think about it, here's three thousand words from

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Justin Danoff, who helped vivik Ramaswami start his company Strive,

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telling you this is what ESG is this is how

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a damages kids. This is actually what we would look

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like if we wanted to create an equitable, injustice, sustainable

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society for kids.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so you've got this in essence political lesson

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on all these different topics from the top experts, but

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they all frame them through the lens of if we

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prioritized kids, what would our policies look like? But they

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also all begin with the real life story of a

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child who was victimized because we believed leftist lies.

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Speaker 4: And so this book does what.

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Speaker 3: Very few other conservative materials do, which is identify the

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victim as kids and then humanize the child. I mean,

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we've always had the best statistics and the best research.

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The left does a good job of humanizing their victims

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and making you empathize and sympathize with them.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not going to let them do that anymore.

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Speaker 3: I love the real life stories of kids who are

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victimized because we got immigration policy wrong, because we got

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foreign policy wrong, because we got education wrong, because we

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got masculinity wrong, we got race wrong. Like what is

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it like when we believe leftist lies about pornography? We're

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going to show you the kids that are victimized their mind, body, soul, heart,

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future lost because we are not thinking rightly about these issues.

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Speaker 4: So that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: It's a way to think properly about politics, all political

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issues if you're looking at it through the lens of

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child protection and.

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Speaker 1: Chod protection started with a family. The first one started

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in Genesis, and so we also have this model. And

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I know you to be a godly woman, and this

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model has to of course take God's word into this.

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So let me take a tough one, okay, because I

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think the pornography on this podcast family, this radio show Family.

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They know that I looked at my last porn decades

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ago and I'll never look at it again, Praise God.

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And they know my position on this. I think porn

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hub is a criminal enterprise that should be just. It

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should be recoed out of business. I think that they

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encourage child rape. That's my opinion. So but let's take

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just national security. That's an interesting one because I'm thinking

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about this. If I were looking at national security through

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child's eyes, how might I look at that?

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Speaker 3: Katie Well Dan Caldwell, who is a veteran in this space,

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wrote our three thousand words on national security and he identified.

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the story of a real life childhood was victimized, and

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then identify what are the lies about national security that

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you hear all the time? And then how do those

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lies harm kids? So what are some of the lies

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that Dan pointed out? Well, first that we have to

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be the world's policeman, right, and like, what is it

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like when we think, oh, we've got to go out

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and solve every single problem, we have to like build

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every school in Afghanistan. How does that mentality around national

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security victimized kids?

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Speaker 4: So that's one lie that he points out. Another lie

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is we need to be total isolationists.

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Speaker 3: We should never engage in what's happening in the rest

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of the world. And then he identifies that kind of

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faulty mentality and how that victimizes kids, and both of

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them really weaken our ability to defend ourselves against the

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Speaker 4: Foreign threats that are not.

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Speaker 3: Just present but growing against us. And then he identifies

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what is the truth about foreign policy that you need

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to keep in mind, And in summary, he says realism

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and restraint. Be realistic about the threats coming against America

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and have restraints. So that you can fight the battles

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that you really need to very very well. And if

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we did that, how.

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Speaker 4: Would children benefit?

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Speaker 3: What would child protection look like if we actually did

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that national security priority exactly as it should be done.

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with show me who's done this well? Where what bodies, local, foreign, national?

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actually are effective.

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Speaker 4: And so key lists some ways that.

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Speaker 3: We could overhaul our national security system and rubric to

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move in a direction where the next generation is going

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to be better protected.

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Speaker 4: So we did that on every subject.

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Speaker 3: It is so easy to digest and understand, and you

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are getting high quality content from people that know these

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subjects inside and out.

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Speaker 1: Give me your favorite story. You're a great storyteller. I've

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seen you online have people who grew up with a

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single parents or same sex attracted parents, and you've solicited

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from them their stories and it's been very very persuasive.

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one that can really just bring us across, share with

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Speaker 3: I made all of the authors find a real life

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child who is harmed, because we got that wrong. I

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had a lot to learn about a lot of these topics.

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Danoff started off with the story of a little girl

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in Sri Lanka who went from a pretty stable, middle

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class family to virtually starving because the ESG and Dei

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regimes were imposed upon Sri Lanka in the name of,

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you know, saving the planet, and it actually resulted in

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starvation and death for children. And so it's stories like that,

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you know, where you humanize and you shold the drastic

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decline in well being a real life children because we

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are pushing something that, like we talked about earlier, sound

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fantastic and ideology land, but when you actually implement it

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in the real world, kids suffer.

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Speaker 1: Can any of this be done fruitfully without it being

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biblically based.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can make arguments based on God's world, right,

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so that would be natural law, social science obviously, the

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real life stories of kids. But anything that is true

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that you can verify quantify is always going to be

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reflect Anything true in the world will always be fortified

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and buttressed by the Word of God. Right, What is

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in the Word of God is always going to to

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completely compliment the world of God. And so we tactically

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at them before us my nonprofit. We make the decision

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to argue based on God's world. What can we learn

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about how children ought to live, what they need, how

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they come to be, to what they have a right

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by appealing to God's world right, that universal authority to

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which everybody must submit, and it always reinforces and complements

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God's word, which is my ultimate authority. Tactically, we're like,

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you don't need to appeal to Genesis one one to

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make this case. We will show you the authority of

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God as manifest in the world that you can touch

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and taste and verify yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's a really interesting approach. So there's that very famous saying.

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said it, but that phrase share the Gospel with everyone

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you meet, and when necessarily use words, sometimes people say

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with spurgeon, do you know who actually said it?

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Speaker 4: I think it was Saint Francis of ASISI.

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Speaker 1: Okay, St Francis of a sci would make sense. So

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your tactical decision is, then, I guess not to be

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overtly Christian or to come straight out with the Word

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of God the Bible, but to show truth that we'll

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always go back to God because God is truth and

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the tactical decision is an open door. It's a big

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 2: It? Is it?

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Speaker 1: The best way to protect kids is to, I guess,

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gently suggest God.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that it is to fervently argue on

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their behalf in ways that are irrefutable and undeniable. That's

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what I'm after, And unfortunately, I think that Christians did

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not do the hard work of making their case in

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a way that the world could understand, and instead fell

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back on just quoting scripture.

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Speaker 4: And I say just quoting scripture because I love the

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can serve to discredit us in their mind.

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Speaker 4: Rather than bring doing it's harder.

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Speaker 3: It's harder to understand the historical, anthropological, social science, psychological

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aspects of this and then bring to them a case

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that perfectly represents the Word of God but doesn't a

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way where they're not able to dismiss us because we

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are only quoting an authority that they don't recognize.

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Speaker 1: So tactically, I totally get that, and I think it's

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a very smart tactic. One of my views in this

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that biblical support for this, but I don't know that

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I don't. It seems to me that we serve a

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God who's very very happy to say, oh, looks like

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you guys got that, I'll handle, looks looks like you

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don't need me have fun, or to say to us, oh,

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you want a king, Well, I think that's a bad

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idea because they're going to tax you, and they're going

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to trans your kids, and they're going to steal your

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parental rights. But okay, go have a king and go

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experience that. I happen to think that a tactical use

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of the word of God in these environments, and oh

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my gosh, even in Congress of the Senate. My belief

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is that God's word never returns void. And my sense

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some of these things, he might say, Okay, oh wait,

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did you want me to help? Because I'm getting the

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sense you might want my help now because he seems

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fine to let us use our own devices. So what's

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your view of that dynamic.

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talking with an Orthodox jew Orthodox Jewish rabbi who is

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working to fight against the creep of reproductive technologies into

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the world of Orthodox Judaism, and for him, I'm saying,

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what you need to do is you need to rely

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on the thirty nine scriptural principles in the Old Testament

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that explicitly talk about your obligation to defend the fatherless.

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Speaker 4: And he is ready and willing and excited to do this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not telling him something he doesn't know that actually,

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when you endorse things like IV surrogacy, sperm and egg donation,

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you're not defending the fatherless.

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Speaker 4: You're manufacturing the fatherless.

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Speaker 1: And so you have to.

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Speaker 3: Figure out, you know, what are the pressure points for

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each culture and what's the biblical precedent for this. I

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would say it's Paul at Mars Hill, right when Paul

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goes and he speaks to the Jews, he'll quote scripture,

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but when he's going to speak to you know, the

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the philosophers and the Stoics, he appeals to philosophy, right,

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he appeals to the Aristotelian principles that they spend hours

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and hours and hours debating. It's really all Christians saying,

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like you want to be all things to all people,

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then you have to study those people and you have

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to figure out what are the areas that resonate with them,

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and then you bring the truth of God into that situation.

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And I would say that's especially pressing for Christians if

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you are fighting on behalf of the vulnerable and victimized. Right,

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it is a bit of throwing pearls before swine if

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you're just like Bible Verse here, Bible Verse there. No,

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you want to throw something at them that.

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Speaker 4: They can't help but eat up. And then you say,

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and now I'm going to tell.

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Speaker 1: You exactly why I love it. I love it so well,

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said such an honored av on the program. I'm so

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proud of you and so thankful for what you do,

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and always a thrill to see you continue to succeed.

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There's a link to the book and the show notes

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Katie faust I always appreciate you. Please go with God's

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good grace.