Speaker 1: Katie Faust is president and founder of Them before Us.
So who's the them, them as kids? Who's the US
parents and older people. She is a international speaker and
author multiple times. Now this is her third book. She's
been to the UN She's confronted them about what they're
doing to parental rights. Her new book is about pro
child politics. Katie Faust joins us now on The Todd
Herman Show. Thank you God Almighty for making it possible.
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Speaker 1: Today is a day the Lord has made, and these
are the times which God has decided we shall live.
And it's always a thrill to have with me my friend,
and I am honored to call her friend, Katie Faust. Katie,
welcome back to the Toddhurman Show. So I want to
get into what pro child politics means to you and
what these policies would be and how we as a
country adopt this. So get ready to present this to
us in actionable form. Things that we can do. Positions,
we can vote for and even if you're a mind
to do this, people for whom we can vote to.
Katie Faust is with me. She's a three time author.
There's a link to the latest book. You can get
that in the show notes. So, Katie fous what make
up pro child politics? How do we take action on this?
And what can we go do?
Speaker 3: We took nineteen of the most evergreen political issues, the
things that are always going to come up at every
single election, and we said, if we framed this in
terms of what was best for children, what.
Speaker 4: Would policy look like?
Speaker 3: And so we've got all the social issues, we've got
the economic issues. We even got the national security people
to come in here. You've got the three different legs
of the concern stool represented here, and we brought them
all together because when you actually craft policy based on
the next generation, you get principled conservatism. So the book
sort of functions as a primer, like three thousand words
on ESG. If you don't know what that is and
how to think about it, here's three thousand words from
Justin Danoff, who helped vivik Ramaswami start his company Strive,
telling you this is what ESG is this is how
a damages kids. This is actually what we would look
like if we wanted to create an equitable, injustice, sustainable
society for kids.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I mean, so you've got this in essence political lesson
on all these different topics from the top experts, but
they all frame them through the lens of if we
prioritized kids, what would our policies look like? But they
also all begin with the real life story of a
child who was victimized because we believed leftist lies.
Speaker 4: And so this book does what.
Speaker 3: Very few other conservative materials do, which is identify the
victim as kids and then humanize the child. I mean,
we've always had the best statistics and the best research.
The left does a good job of humanizing their victims
and making you empathize and sympathize with them.
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to let them do that anymore.
Speaker 3: I love the real life stories of kids who are
victimized because we got immigration policy wrong, because we got
foreign policy wrong, because we got education wrong, because we
got masculinity wrong, we got race wrong. Like what is
it like when we believe leftist lies about pornography? We're
going to show you the kids that are victimized their mind, body, soul, heart,
future lost because we are not thinking rightly about these issues.
Speaker 4: So that's what it is.
Speaker 3: It's a way to think properly about politics, all political
issues if you're looking at it through the lens of
child protection and.
Speaker 1: Chod protection started with a family. The first one started
in Genesis, and so we also have this model. And
I know you to be a godly woman, and this
model has to of course take God's word into this.
So let me take a tough one, okay, because I
think the pornography on this podcast family, this radio show Family.
They know that I looked at my last porn decades
ago and I'll never look at it again, Praise God.
And they know my position on this. I think porn
hub is a criminal enterprise that should be just. It
should be recoed out of business. I think that they
encourage child rape. That's my opinion. So but let's take
just national security. That's an interesting one because I'm thinking
about this. If I were looking at national security through
child's eyes, how might I look at that?
Speaker 3: Katie Well Dan Caldwell, who is a veteran in this space,
wrote our three thousand words on national security and he identified.
So what I made every author do is begin with
the story of a real life childhood was victimized, and
then identify what are the lies about national security that
you hear all the time? And then how do those
lies harm kids? So what are some of the lies
that Dan pointed out? Well, first that we have to
be the world's policeman, right, and like, what is it
like when we think, oh, we've got to go out
and solve every single problem, we have to like build
every school in Afghanistan. How does that mentality around national
security victimized kids?
Speaker 4: So that's one lie that he points out. Another lie
is we need to be total isolationists.
Speaker 3: We should never engage in what's happening in the rest
of the world. And then he identifies that kind of
faulty mentality and how that victimizes kids, and both of
them really weaken our ability to defend ourselves against the
very serious.
Speaker 4: Foreign threats that are not.
Speaker 3: Just present but growing against us. And then he identifies
what is the truth about foreign policy that you need
to keep in mind, And in summary, he says realism
and restraint. Be realistic about the threats coming against America
and have restraints. So that you can fight the battles
that you really need to very very well. And if
we did that, how.
Speaker 4: Would children benefit?
Speaker 3: What would child protection look like if we actually did
that national security priority exactly as it should be done.
And then I made every author wrap up their chapter
with show me who's done this well? Where what bodies, local, foreign, national?
What have they done to show how these policies implemented
actually are effective.
Speaker 4: And so key lists some ways that.
Speaker 3: We could overhaul our national security system and rubric to
move in a direction where the next generation is going
to be better protected.
Speaker 4: So we did that on every subject.
Speaker 3: It is so easy to digest and understand, and you
are getting high quality content from people that know these
subjects inside and out.
Speaker 1: Give me your favorite story. You're a great storyteller. I've
seen you online have people who grew up with a
single parents or same sex attracted parents, and you've solicited
from them their stories and it's been very very persuasive.
So if you're to pick one from a book or
one that can really just bring us across, share with
us one.
Speaker 3: I made all of the authors find a real life
child who is harmed, because we got that wrong. I
had a lot to learn about a lot of these topics.
One of them was ESG and Dei, and so Justin
Danoff started off with the story of a little girl
in Sri Lanka who went from a pretty stable, middle
class family to virtually starving because the ESG and Dei
regimes were imposed upon Sri Lanka in the name of,
you know, saving the planet, and it actually resulted in
starvation and death for children. And so it's stories like that,
you know, where you humanize and you shold the drastic
decline in well being a real life children because we
are pushing something that, like we talked about earlier, sound
fantastic and ideology land, but when you actually implement it
in the real world, kids suffer.
Speaker 1: Can any of this be done fruitfully without it being
biblically based.
Speaker 3: Well, you can make arguments based on God's world, right,
so that would be natural law, social science obviously, the
real life stories of kids. But anything that is true
that you can verify quantify is always going to be
reflect Anything true in the world will always be fortified
and buttressed by the Word of God. Right, What is
in the Word of God is always going to to
completely compliment the world of God. And so we tactically
at them before us my nonprofit. We make the decision
to argue based on God's world. What can we learn
about how children ought to live, what they need, how
they come to be, to what they have a right
by appealing to God's world right, that universal authority to
which everybody must submit, and it always reinforces and complements
God's word, which is my ultimate authority. Tactically, we're like,
you don't need to appeal to Genesis one one to
make this case. We will show you the authority of
God as manifest in the world that you can touch
and taste and verify yourself.
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting approach. So there's that very famous saying.
Sometimes I don't even know if they really know who
said it, but that phrase share the Gospel with everyone
you meet, and when necessarily use words, sometimes people say
with spurgeon, do you know who actually said it?
Speaker 4: I think it was Saint Francis of ASISI.
Speaker 1: Okay, St Francis of a sci would make sense. So
your tactical decision is, then, I guess not to be
overtly Christian or to come straight out with the Word
of God the Bible, but to show truth that we'll
always go back to God because God is truth and
the tactical decision is an open door. It's a big
tant What is it?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: It? Is it?
Speaker 1: The best way to protect kids is to, I guess,
gently suggest God.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that it is to fervently argue on
their behalf in ways that are irrefutable and undeniable. That's
what I'm after, And unfortunately, I think that Christians did
not do the hard work of making their case in
a way that the world could understand, and instead fell
back on just quoting scripture.
Speaker 4: And I say just quoting scripture because I love the
Word of God. I mean like I'm in it.
Speaker 3: I try to read the Bible with everyone that I'm with,
But when it comes to communicating policy objectives, unfortunately, that
can serve to discredit us in their mind.
Speaker 4: Rather than bring doing it's harder.
Speaker 3: It's harder to understand the historical, anthropological, social science, psychological
aspects of this and then bring to them a case
that perfectly represents the Word of God but doesn't a
way where they're not able to dismiss us because we
are only quoting an authority that they don't recognize.
Speaker 1: So tactically, I totally get that, and I think it's
a very smart tactic. One of my views in this
I don't know that I have any I don't know
that biblical support for this, but I don't know that
I don't. It seems to me that we serve a
God who's very very happy to say, oh, looks like
you guys got that, I'll handle, looks looks like you
don't need me have fun, or to say to us, oh,
you want a king, Well, I think that's a bad
idea because they're going to tax you, and they're going
to trans your kids, and they're going to steal your
parental rights. But okay, go have a king and go
experience that. I happen to think that a tactical use
of the word of God in these environments, and oh
my gosh, even in Congress of the Senate. My belief
is that God's word never returns void. And my sense
is that if God started seeing his word spoken into
some of these things, he might say, Okay, oh wait,
did you want me to help? Because I'm getting the
sense you might want my help now because he seems
fine to let us use our own devices. So what's
your view of that dynamic.
Speaker 3: I agree that, well, I totally understand where you're coming from.
And I will say that, you know, I've spent quite
a bit a time of the last day or two
talking with an Orthodox jew Orthodox Jewish rabbi who is
working to fight against the creep of reproductive technologies into
the world of Orthodox Judaism, and for him, I'm saying,
what you need to do is you need to rely
on the thirty nine scriptural principles in the Old Testament
that explicitly talk about your obligation to defend the fatherless.
That's the authority that your audience is going to hear.
And so what you have to do is you have
to make the case.
Speaker 4: And he is ready and willing and excited to do this.
Speaker 3: I'm not telling him something he doesn't know that actually,
when you endorse things like IV surrogacy, sperm and egg donation,
you're not defending the fatherless.
Speaker 4: You're manufacturing the fatherless.
Speaker 1: And so you have to.
Speaker 3: Figure out, you know, what are the pressure points for
each culture and what's the biblical precedent for this. I
would say it's Paul at Mars Hill, right when Paul
goes and he speaks to the Jews, he'll quote scripture,
but when he's going to speak to you know, the
the philosophers and the Stoics, he appeals to philosophy, right,
he appeals to the Aristotelian principles that they spend hours
and hours and hours debating. It's really all Christians saying,
like you want to be all things to all people,
then you have to study those people and you have
to figure out what are the areas that resonate with them,
and then you bring the truth of God into that situation.
And I would say that's especially pressing for Christians if
you are fighting on behalf of the vulnerable and victimized. Right,
it is a bit of throwing pearls before swine if
you're just like Bible Verse here, Bible Verse there. No,
you want to throw something at them that.
Speaker 4: They can't help but eat up. And then you say,
and now I'm going to tell.
Speaker 1: You exactly why I love it. I love it so well,
said such an honored av on the program. I'm so
proud of you and so thankful for what you do,
and always a thrill to see you continue to succeed.
There's a link to the book and the show notes
Katie faust I always appreciate you. Please go with God's
good grace.