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<v Speaker 1>While it's holding ten or more bitcoin, dropping about eleven

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and thirty one bitcoin during that time. That's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit and it did affect the markets instantly

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as that dump started, with prices going down

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<v Speaker 1>a little over eleven percent ur in that time. But

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<v Speaker 1>since March third, now about ten days, we've seen accumulation

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<v Speaker 1>go back up.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome into the Thinking Crypto podcast. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Edward and my guest is Brian from Saniment And

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<v Speaker 2>as you all know, we are going to do a

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<v Speaker 2>deep dive into the metrics round Bitcoin and the top

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<v Speaker 2>all coins to get a lay of the land and

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening in this market after a massive Q four

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<v Speaker 2>run up and now we are in a corrective phase

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<v Speaker 2>and some are saying it's the bear market, but Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to use the data to figure out what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good to be here, Tony. It's obviously been a

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<v Speaker 1>rough couple of months, but at least in the last

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<v Speaker 1>two to three days, things are looking a lot more optimistic,

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<v Speaker 1>especially on a big Friday here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Brian, isn't it fascinating the dynamic of market sentiment

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<v Speaker 2>and how it flips. You know, in Q four it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like the rally is not going to end, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to keep going higher. There are crazy price predictions.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's euphoric. But usually when you see that herd and

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're going to look at the data, when

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<v Speaker 2>you see the herd gets so euphoric, it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>be bearish. And now that things are in the dumbs

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<v Speaker 2>and the herd is feeling depressed, they're like, it's over,

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<v Speaker 2>it's over, Brian, Now is the time to get greedy again.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yeah, it's amazing how how quickly the crowd can

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<v Speaker 1>flip on a dime, and they've been pretty down for

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of weeks, so this was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a almost a given that we'd see some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>relief rally to punish all the people selling and selling

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<v Speaker 1>and selling, because the retail typically gets it wrong and

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<v Speaker 1>the whales and sharks typically typically get it right because

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<v Speaker 1>they're the ones pushing prices up and down. So now,

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<v Speaker 1>on the short term, the only concern is whether the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd is starting to now you know, spam lambos and

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<v Speaker 1>rocket emojis and we're back all over the place. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're hoping that they're they're not really believing in this

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<v Speaker 1>rally because that can aid in the rally continuing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think also the backdrop of the macro

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<v Speaker 2>factors has a lot of people nervous, like tariffores and

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<v Speaker 2>recession and look the stock markets selling off. So but

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<v Speaker 2>you know that all those things, while they can have

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<v Speaker 2>an effect on markets, it's not a permanent effect where oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the market's just going to keep going down to zero. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that we've seen, whether it be COVID crash or two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, markets rebround. As long as people are

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<v Speaker 2>alive and they have to buy and they have to live,

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<v Speaker 2>markets will rebound. And whether it's on the micro the macro,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, depending on how big the correction is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good way of looking at it. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cyclical. What goes down must come up, what

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<v Speaker 1>goes up must come down. And we've seen time and

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<v Speaker 1>time again in crypto where people think that the run

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<v Speaker 1>is over and crypto is finally gonna die off, and

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<v Speaker 1>not only does it not die off, it makes a

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<v Speaker 1>new all time high within like the next six to

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<v Speaker 1>twelve months after that narrative was formed. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing what continues to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know some people are going to be watching

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<v Speaker 2>and listening and saying, well, how the hell do I

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<v Speaker 2>navigate these things? Well, Brian, let's show them. Let's show

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<v Speaker 2>them the data. Let's start with bitcoin and what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on with bitcoin sentiment, and what Wales are doing and

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<v Speaker 2>much more for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm I'm looking at some of the primary bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>metrics that we like to check out when we do

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<v Speaker 1>our analysis. Transaction volume is nothing special right now. This

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<v Speaker 1>is showing the overall USD being traded on chain on

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<v Speaker 1>a daily basis, So we're kind of hovering inwhere between

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<v Speaker 1>ten to about twenty to twenty five billion dollars per day.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was at its highest point in early December,

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<v Speaker 1>we were seeing like over sixty billion dollars in a

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<v Speaker 1>few given days here, and that was kind of actually

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<v Speaker 1>indicating that we were getting toppy. So for those who

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<v Speaker 1>think the transaction volume needs to go up for Bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>to go up, that's not necessarily true. In fact, a

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<v Speaker 1>decline kind of is reflective of fear because the retail

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<v Speaker 1>truck crowd in particular tends to sit on their hands

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<v Speaker 1>when prices have this kind of momentum for a long

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, so nothing too scary. Their active addresses

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<v Speaker 1>has been up and down, circulation is up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the big one I wanted to check

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<v Speaker 1>out here MVRV showing that the average returns, So those

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<v Speaker 1>traders you're competing with, because they are competitors, their average

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<v Speaker 1>returns for anyone active in the past thirty days is

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at around negative three percent, while those active in

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<v Speaker 1>the past year, just anyone who's made at least one transfer,

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<v Speaker 1>their average is at about plus one percent. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually about as neutral as you'll ever really see

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<v Speaker 1>things on both the short and long term basis. The

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<v Speaker 1>ideal points to buy are something like this on February

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, when we saw short term traders down over

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen percent, long term traders down almost five percent. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to buy in when there's blood in the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of pain going on, and right now there's because

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<v Speaker 1>of the mild bounce we've seen in the last three

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<v Speaker 1>days or so, everything's kind of neutraled out here and

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<v Speaker 1>where we're right at the point where things can essentially

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<v Speaker 1>go either way according to just the raw math of

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<v Speaker 1>how traders are doing in a zero sum game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I saw on the fear and greed index

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<v Speaker 2>the sentiment was as low as we saw in March

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty and even December twenty twenty two. People are

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<v Speaker 2>really scared, Brian, and I think part of it is

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<v Speaker 2>the macro factors, the backdrop. But you know, I personally

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<v Speaker 2>bought the dip on those crashes, not financial advice, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>And I personally think this is a local top but

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<v Speaker 2>I could be wrong because we don't have a crystal ball.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I saw the sentiment at those levels, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I seen this story before.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm buying. Yeah, there were three big points. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the past three months of sentiment on a given day.

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<v Speaker 1>So here in right before Christmas in late December, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw two really big negative points as prices were declining,

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<v Speaker 1>and it eventually ended up being a great bounce opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>And then more recently, this was when right before Trump

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<v Speaker 1>announced his strategic reserves February twenty seven, twenty eighth, we

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<v Speaker 1>really bottomed out, got about down to seventy eight k everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had five straight days where there were

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<v Speaker 1>more negative comments than positive, it looks like, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we see an immediate bounce from that until people start

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<v Speaker 1>to get over confident, and then it top forms and

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<v Speaker 1>then we go way down once again to that same

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<v Speaker 1>level seventy eight K, and we see March ninth and

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<v Speaker 1>March tenth, huge negative sentiment forming once again, people saying,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, this crash is for real. Get ready, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>you know, see you at sixty K, see you at

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<v Speaker 1>forty K. All these predictions coming out, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>get punished once again with a nice mild bounce we've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>But the warning sign here, because we have to be realistic,

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that we've now seen a couple days

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<v Speaker 1>in a row with rising positive sentiments starting to form again.

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<v Speaker 1>Not quite euphoric, nothing like this we saw, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the week after Trump was inaugurated and people were already

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<v Speaker 1>pre celebrating another amazing crypto year we were about to have.

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<v Speaker 1>We're kind of in this mode where it's it's leaning

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<v Speaker 1>bullish according to the crowd. People are are starting to

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<v Speaker 1>attribute this as the dip to buy. In hindsight, just

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<v Speaker 1>because we've we've jumped about six k in market value

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<v Speaker 1>for bitcoin, I wouldn't be surprised if this causes a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of stagnancy from here, and you know, Friday's

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<v Speaker 1>bounce that we're seeing today is a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>just a regression to the mean where we've had so

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<v Speaker 1>much blood that it was bound to come up a little.

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<v Speaker 1>So the people buying now and saying now it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to buy, get your get all that dry powder out

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<v Speaker 1>from hibernation, it's time to uh get into bitcoin and

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<v Speaker 1>al coins, et cetera, be a little careful of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't necessarily say we're going to see a reversal

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<v Speaker 1>and now just fall back down again, but ranging could

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<v Speaker 1>could be a likely path based on just sentiment and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that like MVRV that we just discussed is

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<v Speaker 1>like as neutral as it gets right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's great insight. So there may be some patients

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<v Speaker 2>needed before bitcoin really starts finding some strength. And you

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<v Speaker 2>could certainly have what they call bull traps, right like

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<v Speaker 2>this rally we're seeing, this small uptick could be a

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<v Speaker 2>bull trap, or it could be the start of the reversal.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know it, so you have to be cautious.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and also to mention, you know, Fridays are the

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<v Speaker 1>most positive return day of the week, so take that

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<v Speaker 1>with a grain of salt too, when you see a

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<v Speaker 1>big outbreak at the end of the week and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>wants to just have a good bookend to what was

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise a pretty miserable week. Sometimes sometimes this happens, but

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean really anything for the upcoming weeks or months. So,

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<v Speaker 1>just as Tony said, practice patients right now and understand

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't the signal you were waiting for to suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>buy with confidence. But it also isn't a signal that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, markets are are still going down to sixty

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<v Speaker 1>k forty k, like some of the biggest bears out

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<v Speaker 1>there are spouting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, So what are the whales doing? Because Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at the Santame chart and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a dip, but then it started recovering,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, when I saw that dip, like

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<v Speaker 2>about a week and a half, I was like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it is really the top. You what are you seeing

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<v Speaker 2>from this?

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<v Speaker 1>This for sure was a bad stage right here from

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<v Speaker 1>here to here. So February twentieth to March third, we

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<v Speaker 1>actually saw while it's holding ten or more bitcoin, dropping

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<v Speaker 1>about eleven three hundred and thirty one bitcoin during that time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's quite a bit, and it did affect the markets

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<v Speaker 1>instantly as soon as that dump started, with prices going

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<v Speaker 1>down a little over eleven percent during that time. But

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<v Speaker 1>since March third, now about ten days, we've seen accumulation

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<v Speaker 1>go back up. They bought back a little more than

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<v Speaker 1>half of those six and thirty one bitcoin back into

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<v Speaker 1>their wallets. So a tale as old as time. Whales dump,

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<v Speaker 1>send prices down and then start buying back in when

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<v Speaker 1>you know they can get their bitcoin for eleven percent cheaper.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's essentially what we're seeing right now. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, like I said, I was breathing a sigh

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<v Speaker 2>of relief when I saw the recovery because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for my personal bias, I don't want the Marball market

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<v Speaker 2>to be over. I'm looking for higher prices. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, man, if these whales are selling, that

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<v Speaker 2>means something is off here, then this may be the end.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to see more data, a larger sample size.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see an actual down trend. Thankfully, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a dip here exactly. Yeah, we were we

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<v Speaker 2>were definitely getting worried when we saw them really starting

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<v Speaker 2>to take profit. But as long as they're moving back up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we can see what has happened just over

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<v Speaker 2>if whales continue to hoard the coins that the retailers

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<v Speaker 1>Sign for sure on the supply. You go ahead, Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, no, I was going to say, because I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>stable coin supply is on there, if you could talk

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, from a whale perspective, we like to look

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<v Speaker 1>at specifically whilets that hold anywhere between one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like that smart money sweet spot, and tether

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<v Speaker 1>has been moving up. They bottomed out here around February

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<v Speaker 1>fifteenth when they had only about twenty one percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the overall supply of tether. Now they're up about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one point six so that's that's a pretty decent amount

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<v Speaker 1>of tether they've held onto or bought back into. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can still see compared to the amount of dry

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<v Speaker 1>started back in mid October, they do have a lot less,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'd like to see that pick up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Us d Coin definitely is they hold twenty seven and

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<v Speaker 1>right direction while they're adding more bitcoins, so that means

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<v Speaker 1>the money's coming from outside sources like Fiat. They're moving

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting and then supply and exchanges as far as bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 2>how's that looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so on the tether and USD coin end, you

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<v Speaker 1>can clearly see that they have been declining as Bitcoin's

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<v Speaker 1>supplant exchange is rising. This is actually not the combo

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<v Speaker 1>we want. We'd like to see Bitcoin continuing to stay

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<v Speaker 1>off of exchanges, either being flat like we saw in

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<v Speaker 1>because they're being moved into cold storage for safe keeping

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<v Speaker 1>from those whales. But yeah, they did start to really

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<v Speaker 1>first week of February, and roughly six seven weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like they've overall, between all the different tiers whales, fish, dolphins,

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<v Speaker 1>what have you, there's thirty five, four hundred and eleven

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<v Speaker 1>more Bitcoin on exchanges than there were back then. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a ton when you look at it from

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<v Speaker 1>the perspective of where we were six months ago. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like to see this calm down soon because more

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin moving to exchanges. It kind of signals that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people are waiting for their price to hit

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<v Speaker 1>so they can sell and get out. Yeah, great point.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been noticing. I was like, as I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>the data this week, and I'm like, oh, I see

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<v Speaker 2>the uptick, I see the decline with the whale was

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<v Speaker 2>holding bitcoin ten or more. And I'm like, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like this is the start of something. Are they anticipating

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<v Speaker 2>another major local top or a market blow up? Top

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<v Speaker 2>come later or I should say, come end of Q two,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, we haven't talked about it yet. But

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<v Speaker 1>the the thing that is the elephant in the room

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<v Speaker 1>is all of the macroeconomic factors that are affecting the

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<v Speaker 1>S and P five hundred right now, and how crypto

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<v Speaker 1>is still very correlated with the S and P. So

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<v Speaker 1>not having control, even if you're a big wealthy whale,

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<v Speaker 1>not having control over what Trump does next, what Musk

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<v Speaker 1>or Putin or Zelensky does, whatever your opinions are. The

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<v Speaker 1>uncertainty of where the world stands. The uncertainty of whether

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<v Speaker 1>you know Canada in the US, or Australia in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>or China in the US can get a lot right

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<v Speaker 1>now because of these tearff wars that are happening. That

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<v Speaker 1>little more conservative and act safer when they aren't as

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that that explains some of the behavior

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<v Speaker 1>even some of their mild profit taking that they were

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<v Speaker 1>especially doing in the second half of February.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that definitely makes sense. It's certainly well. I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of uncertainty out there, and I can

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<v Speaker 2>see why. You know, people who are not looking at

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<v Speaker 2>data are caught in a wilmin of that right and

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<v Speaker 2>the emotional rollercoaster. But I love going to the data

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<v Speaker 2>on sentiment and being able to put my emotions to

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<v Speaker 2>the side and say, Okay, what's happening this This is

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<v Speaker 2>just such insightful information.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks man. Yeah, I'll affward that memo to the devs

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<v Speaker 1>who are constantly working on suuring that we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>relevant data that's easy to digest. And all this data,

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember, is on the blockchain. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>we have proprietary information that the rest of the world doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>What we do is curate it and turn it into

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<v Speaker 1>something meaningful and easy to evaluate through all these summarized

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<v Speaker 1>infographics and stuff. And then there's the social side, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm showing now, so we can see things like which

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<v Speaker 1>coins are trending the most, which trending words are popping

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<v Speaker 1>up across social media the most, And these are the

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of things that really do impact markets pretty significantly.

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<v Speaker 1>We can see things like gold trending right now because

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<v Speaker 1>when things get bearish for the midterm, like they have been,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the sentiments are turning bearish, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>you see people talking more about getting into safe havens,

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<v Speaker 1>things that historically never lose their value even when macroeconomic

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<v Speaker 1>conditions get pretty dicey. So gold and silver have been

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a lot more with people talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>price levels. DOGE is actually referring mostly to the Musk's initiative.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the abbreviation right now, but it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>funny that dog is trending, even though it's mostly due

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<v Speaker 1>to the doge that Musk is running. M interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go into some of the top all coins

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<v Speaker 2>like Etherorem, and we'll talk about Salon and XRP as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so we'll start with Ethereum. I actually just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it really has, and I just put an insight out

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<v Speaker 1>about it yesterday. I'll show you will you steer into

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<v Speaker 1>the ether fear. Please feel free to hire me if

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested in these creative rhymes. Guys, it took me

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, but yeah, the crowd sentiment has absolutely plummeted.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a little infographic. It's maybe a little more

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<v Speaker 1>busy than I wanted it to look, but you get

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<v Speaker 1>the idea. This line means there's an equal amount of

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<v Speaker 1>positive versus negative comments. This is one and a half

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<v Speaker 1>to one, This is two to one positive to negative,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is three to one. So you definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to see sentiment way up here. This is where

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<v Speaker 1>you tend to see tops and prices go down. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a little bit too bullish most of the time. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually pretty neutral. So like a resting state for

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<v Speaker 1>social media is usually like one and a half to

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<v Speaker 1>one for most of the top comments or top social

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<v Speaker 1>media platforms toward Bitcoin, Ethereum, XRP, et cetera. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you see it start to go below there, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the crowd is genuinely starting to get

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<v Speaker 1>super scared and expressing a lot of fud. And as

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<v Speaker 1>you would imagine with the year that Ethereum has seen,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a massive amount of bearishness that's really starting to

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<v Speaker 1>form here one, two, three, four, five straight days where

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<v Speaker 1>we're below this line, meaning there's actually more negative comments

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<v Speaker 1>overall across social media than positive right now. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a good thing. So it's easy to fall into

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<v Speaker 1>the trap of thinking, well, Ethereum's done, it's underperformed compared

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<v Speaker 1>to XRP and cardono and doge and Bitcoin. That's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a good sign, especially when it's combined with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the crowd has written it off, because this means

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<v Speaker 1>that whales and sharks can easily hoard more coins, which

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<v Speaker 1>they are, to an extent, looks better than Bitcoin, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they can pump up prices once Bitcoin starts to

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<v Speaker 1>recover and allow the rest of the markets to do

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<v Speaker 1>its thing. So don't I kind of like this a

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<v Speaker 1>lot right now. It doesn't necessarily automatically mean Ethereum is

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<v Speaker 1>on the brink of taking off, but from a mid

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<v Speaker 1>or long term perspective, this is a great sign. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that, you know, just seeing these yellow bars declining

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<v Speaker 1>over time the way they have, it's it's pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>that the crowd is just done. They're done with Ethereum.

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<v Speaker 1>They believe it's it's a disappointment. And you know, XRP

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe even Solana will pass it soon in market cap,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be a huge milestone. Ethereum has been in

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<v Speaker 1>the number two spot for almost a decade now, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know I mentioned earlier I bought the dip.

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<v Speaker 2>I specifically bought some eth Sui and XRP, just buying

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<v Speaker 2>those lows, right, And I obviously I'm diversified, but I

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<v Speaker 2>saw eth as a big opportunity because it's just so

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<v Speaker 2>down and just the sentiment is so bad, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I've seen this story before, and I

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<v Speaker 2>put the majority of my diet, my funds, my dry

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<v Speaker 1>Dip totally, I don't blame you at all, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope it ends up being a good decision for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But based on the data, I mean, it seems pretty

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<v Speaker 1>logical that there will be some regression to the mean eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just because it's underperformed price wise, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>prices tend to rubber band against each other, but if

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<v Speaker 1>it's if it's underperformed and the crowd is is just

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<v Speaker 1>giving up on it, that's a pretty good combination for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's look at Solana and how that's been doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, the mean coins that are you know, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>on Solana that has been really hyped up with pump

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<v Speaker 2>not fun. A lot of that market has died down.

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<v Speaker 2>So how has that affect at Solana.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so from a discussion standpoint, they're pretty much at

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<v Speaker 1>their lowest point since uh pre Trump election. They they

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<v Speaker 1>really have seen a deep fall off from a price perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>We went down, man, more than I thought. It's down

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere between forty seven to fifty percent since it's high

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<v Speaker 1>back on right before Trump's inauguration. So the discussion rate

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<v Speaker 1>is in the toilet. There's just very little discussion compared

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<v Speaker 1>to other alt coins right now. And then from a

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment just overall, like positive versus negative sentiment perspective, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised if it's not bearish. Right now, it's definitely bearish.

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<v Speaker 1>So look at this just compared to where things were

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<v Speaker 1>that like late December early to mid January. Interestingly, here

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<v Speaker 1>I found this odd that the huge surge that happened

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<v Speaker 1>on the eighteenth and nineteenth resulted in very bearished discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>If I remember, there were some weird network issues though

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<v Speaker 1>of skewed due to having trouble with transactions Solana. Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for the Salona fans, but they do have some network

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<v Speaker 1>issues famously from time to time that other al coins

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<v Speaker 1>have not. Maybe over the long term that'll pash itself out,

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<v Speaker 1>but that does impact sentiments a lot for Solana either way.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, it looks like people are pretty low on

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<v Speaker 1>it compared to other old coins. You can see pretty

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<v Speaker 1>visually hear how things have declined in positive versus negative comments.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then there's been a lot of controversy of

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<v Speaker 2>course around meme coins and pumped out fund which are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Solana based. So I think with that aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of the market drawing up, it's probably affecting Solana. Not

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<v Speaker 2>entirely obviously, because you got the entire market sentiment down,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of Solana's utility was coming from meme

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's actually a good point. And I was just

419
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<v Speaker 1>checking out the overall mentions of Salona meme coins over

420
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<v Speaker 1>the past three months here it looks like things have

421
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<v Speaker 1>really cooled off in discussions. So despite there being controversies,

422
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.880
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly just resulting in people not wanting to talk

423
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<v Speaker 1>about it much at all. Meme coins in general, as

424
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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about in previous episodes, Tony, they're just kind

425
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<v Speaker 1>of being abandoned at at the moment because people are

426
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<v Speaker 1>so scared of losing another you know, twenty percent in

427
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<v Speaker 1>a given day.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you know, there was that big I think,

429
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<v Speaker 2>what was it, Javier Malay, president of Argentina Argentina and

430
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<v Speaker 2>what happened there. That was a pretty bad one. So look,

431
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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm a bit biased. I don't believe in

432
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<v Speaker 2>meme coins, although I believe in people's freedom to invest

433
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<v Speaker 2>in what they want, but I'm not a fan of

434
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<v Speaker 2>men coins. But obviously there needs to be some control

435
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>where the law enforcement needs to act on people who

436
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.079
<v Speaker 2>are creating rug polls. You know, there are legit meme

437
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 2>coins out there that have community, a brand, doge and

438
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:03.839
<v Speaker 2>so forth, but you know the ones that I was

439
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<v Speaker 2>started last night or last week, that those are the

440
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>ones up more against.

441
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you're like me, Tony, where the more

442
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.759
<v Speaker 1>you can actually analyze a coin and have some predictability

443
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<v Speaker 1>to it, the better the investment is. And the thing

444
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>with meme coins is they're literally a lottery. You're betting

445
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<v Speaker 1>on how other people are going to perceive the coin

446
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 1>that you're investing in. So when you don't have that

447
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<v Speaker 1>power to look at things like development activity, because there

448
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<v Speaker 1>really isn't development activity when it comes to meme coins,

449
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>and there's unpredictable on chain activity, and you know, there's

450
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<v Speaker 1>such a centralized proportion of the coins being held by

451
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<v Speaker 1>the founders. It's just it makes it a bit of

452
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<v Speaker 1>a luck factor that I think for people who've been

453
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<v Speaker 1>in crypto a long time, it tends to make them

454
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<v Speaker 1>pretty uncomfortable if it's all about luck and there's no

455
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<v Speaker 1>ed or ability to analyze to an extent where things

456
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<v Speaker 1>are going to go next.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, that's definitely how I feel, all right, let's

458
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<v Speaker 2>wrap it up with XRP and what you're seeing there

459
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<v Speaker 2>on multiple fronts.

460
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so XRP should look a little bit better because

461
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<v Speaker 1>it's it's actually held up pretty well, so just like

462
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 1>other old coins. I mean, it's definitely dropped from it's

463
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<v Speaker 1>high on the sixteenth or so. It's down about twenty

464
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<v Speaker 1>nine percent, not nearly as much as the fifty percent,

465
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>soalanas down. It had its big run ups right after

466
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<v Speaker 1>Trump's election, mainly I think that was mainly due to

467
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the SEC turnover, and out of all the top caps,

468
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<v Speaker 1>you can think of XRP as the one that's had

469
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<v Speaker 1>the most roller coaster ride with the SEC. So when

470
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<v Speaker 1>they hear that Gensler is going to be out of office,

471
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.799
<v Speaker 1>an asset like XRP is going to get a lot

472
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>more money poured into it. So that's exactly what happened.

473
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<v Speaker 1>But obviously over the last couple of months turned down

474
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<v Speaker 1>just like everything else. Active addresses, though, is interesting. There's

475
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.880
<v Speaker 1>been a sudden influx, and I wish I knew what

476
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 1>this was related to, but pretty much two weeks ago

477
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<v Speaker 1>from today, we started to see address activity go from

478
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<v Speaker 1>like maybe fifty eight fifty nine thousand active addresses per

479
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>day to now at least over the last seven days

480
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.799
<v Speaker 1>one hundred eighty thousand, so it's tripled during that time.

481
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:47.039
<v Speaker 1>That's that's huge. It doesn't necessarily automatically signal bullishness, but

482
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 1>it means that the utility of XRP is just surging

483
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:57.519
<v Speaker 1>right now. From an MVRV perspective. Short term wise, there's

484
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.599
<v Speaker 1>some meat on the bone for a little more rise

485
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 1>because traders are down about five percent. But long term,

486
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.039
<v Speaker 1>because it had such a huge end of twenty twenty four,

487
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>average traders are still up about thirty eight percent. That

488
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>scares me a little bit. You can see even back

489
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>here was off the access where average traders were up

490
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>like one hundred and fifty two hundred percent on average.

491
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<v Speaker 1>These are just like comically high numbers, which signaled we

492
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 1>were bound to see a top around here. And even

493
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 1>here anytime, it's like over one hundred percent returns for

494
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>just any address that's been active on average. That's a

495
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>little terrifying, but it's it's at least calmed down a little.

496
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see, you know, maybe sub twenty percent

497
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.599
<v Speaker 1>long term. MBRV as a good signal you can buy

498
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 1>in or add on with confidence. It just it still

499
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>looks a little overheated on the long term. But obviously

500
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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, real world factors with the SEC at

501
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 1>play that can or like any being announced later this summer,

502
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>that's something a lot of people are anticipating, and that

503
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.119
<v Speaker 1>can just change everything and throw a lot of these

504
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<v Speaker 1>metrics out the window.

505
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great point because exactly where you're saying,

506
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>there's such a huge connection between Ripple and the SEC

507
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and at anything that the SEC does in favor of

508
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>crypto kind of automatically pushes this bullish sentiment towards Ripple

509
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<v Speaker 2>and XRP because it's just such this long standing thing.

510
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 2>It's like its own meme, so to speak. Yeah, everybody's

511
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<v Speaker 2>aware of it, and the SEC has been dropping cases

512
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>and then new new SEC chair is coming in. Then

513
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.799
<v Speaker 2>you have all these XRP SPOTTYTF applications being filed. So

514
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.880
<v Speaker 2>there's like this strong correlation with sentiment there exactly.

515
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<v Speaker 1>I just saw yesterday on x there was one of

516
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<v Speaker 1>the featured headlines on that right panel was like SEC

517
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<v Speaker 1>and XRP lawsuit finally maybe coming to a conclusion, And

518
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<v Speaker 1>I was like, didn't that already happen? Like I can't

519
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<v Speaker 1>even keep track of the I'm sure the people who

520
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 1>are heavily invested in XRP know a lot more about it,

521
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 1>and they might be rolling their eyes at what I'm saying.

522
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 1>But for people who just follow all coins versus just

523
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 1>one particular coin, it's actually really difficult to keep up

524
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes with all these developments. Because I know that the

525
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit happened almost two years ago. Now there was an appeal,

526
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>the appeal never really got to the table, and now

527
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the secs it kind of picked and choose and chose

528
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>it a few other things with XRP, and then I

529
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>guess where we're at now is that's coming to an

530
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 1>end now too. So XRP and it's large community, you

531
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 1>may finally be able to breathe and just focus on,

532
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, the innovation and improvement of its asset, just

533
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 1>like every other all coin. Yeah, I think a lot

534
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>of people are waiting in anticipation. I think the final

535
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>thing is just that resolution. There's one hundred twenty five

536
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 1>million dollars. Fine, but there's reports that Ripple may be

537
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>pushing back on that, given that the SEC's taking a

538
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 1>different stance overall to the crypto market. And I personally

539
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>have the theory that they may be waiting for the

540
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>chair to new chair, to Paul Atkins to come in

541
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>to resolve some of these more complex things. But the

542
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>point is the market and the community and so are

543
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>looking I think people are looking at it positively like

544
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>this is going to resolve. We know, because we're under

545
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:29.119
<v Speaker 1>the most pro crypto regime and the SEC's changed their stands,

546
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 1>no more against them and hopefully to some resolution soon. Right, Yeah,

547
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 1>thanks for that clarification. You know more about it than me,

548
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>but hopefully hopefully there's a resolution. And I was just

549
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>checking out, like the one million or more holders, So

550
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>this is you know, people with with XRP at about

551
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 1>two dollars thirty cents. This is anyone with about two

552
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.599
<v Speaker 1>point three million dollars or more. Consider them sharks and whales.

553
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.319
<v Speaker 1>They hold about seventy three point eighty six percent of

554
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 1>the supply and about forty six point four to two

555
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:09.319
<v Speaker 1>billion XRP. The overall supply is going up, but the

556
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>percentage of supplies stringing down just a little bit. We'd

557
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:19.319
<v Speaker 1>like to see that start to move positive soon. In fact,

558
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely some correlation with the price. I just want

559
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>to show you this, so I'll just hide the overall amount.

560
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<v Speaker 1>From a percentage standpoint, yeah, you can see they really

561
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 1>took a lot of profit beginning in early December, right

562
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>at this top when it got to like two eighty four,

563
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 1>and even during this high or high, they were already

564
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of taking profit, which is interesting to me. Even

565
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>back here, you can see they were accumulating as price

566
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>was going down, and then they really started to take

567
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>profit again after that rise. I know this this looks small,

568
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>but this was still a pretty big percentage gain back here.

569
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 1>So I'd still like to see the smart money moving

570
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>in the positive direction again. But you know, it's just

571
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 1>one element to many of many different analytic perspectives we

572
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 1>can look at.

573
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<v Speaker 2>This is such great insight, Brian. So I love Santaman's

574
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 2>platform and being able to go through it because, like

575
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I said earlier, with the turmoil of the markets, and

576
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>we're all human, so we feel the emotional impact of

577
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.760
<v Speaker 2>price movements, and to go to the data and say okay,

578
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 2>this is what's happening and filter out the noise and

579
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>all that is really great. So hopefully when we meet

580
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>in another two weeks, things are in a much better

581
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 2>spot and bitcoin is fighting some strength and moving up.

582
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>He's hoping man looking forward to the next talk. Awesome

583
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<v Speaker 1>thanks Brian Tak
