Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to Pastor Rick's Daily Hope. This is
Speaker 1: the Bible teaching ministry of Rick Warren. Hey, we're so
Speaker 1: glad you're here with us today. We are continuing in
Speaker 1: a series called Talking about Stuff That Matters Now. In
Speaker 1: this series, Rick looks into the scriptures and he's unpacking
Speaker 1: what it means to live in community, have real conversation
Speaker 1: about what matters most, and face discouragement with courage and faith.
Speaker 1: It's honest, hopeful, So stay tuned. You won't want to
Speaker 1: miss a second. All right, let's get started. Here's part
Speaker 1: one of a message called creating Life Shaping Conversations.
Speaker 2: So much of your satisfaction and success in life is
Speaker 2: determined by how well you communicate with other people. Your income,
Speaker 2: your influence, your family, your career, your relationships. So many
Speaker 2: different areas of your life are all impacted by how
Speaker 2: well you learn two basic communication skills. They all are
Speaker 2: dramatically impacted by number one, learning how to listen well
Speaker 2: and number two learning how to speak well, how to
Speaker 2: communicate your thoughts. If you want to better and better life,
Speaker 2: if you want better and better relationships, then you have
Speaker 2: to keep getting better in these two skills. You have
Speaker 2: to learn to get better at listening, and if you
Speaker 2: have to get learn to get better in speaking. If
Speaker 2: you just get at a certain level and then you
Speaker 2: stop learning how to be a better listener, you stop
Speaker 2: learning how to be a better speaker, then your life
Speaker 2: isn't going to get any better. Your relationships are not
Speaker 2: going to get any better. This is extremely important. So
Speaker 2: today I want us to look at creating life shaping conversations,
Speaker 2: and in that we're going to look at how do
Speaker 2: you listen better so people will speak to you, and
Speaker 2: how do you speak better so people will listen to you.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you an entire communication seminar in
Speaker 2: this session. You'd go pay five hundred bucks for it
Speaker 2: at some seminar.
Speaker 3: It's free with Rick. Okay, you get it free.
Speaker 2: So then you don't have to spend that five hundred
Speaker 2: bucks on how to be a better communicator. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna look at these things.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: We're gonna start with the six secrets of great listening. Now,
Speaker 2: the book that's the book of all books on communication
Speaker 2: is the Book of Proverbs in the Bible. It's the
Speaker 2: Book of Wisdom, it's the Book of Relationships, it's the
Speaker 2: book of how to do the right thing, the right
Speaker 2: way at the right time in every single area of life.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing book, and it has lots to say
Speaker 2: about how you listen, and it has a lot to
Speaker 2: say about how you speak. Now, one of the many
Speaker 2: reasons why God puts you on earth. He didn't just
Speaker 2: create you and take you automatically to heaven. He puts
Speaker 2: you here for a few years, few decades because he
Speaker 2: wants you to learn the skill of learning how to
Speaker 2: listen well. And then he wants you to learn the
Speaker 2: skill of learning how to communicate well, how to speak well. Now,
Speaker 2: can you hear something and not really listen to it?
Speaker 3: Think about that. Can you hear something and not really
Speaker 3: listen to it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called high school math class. You hear it, wow, wow, wha,
Speaker 2: But you're not listening. And there are a lot of
Speaker 2: there's a difference between hearing and listening. Everybody hears everything,
Speaker 2: but not everybody is a good listener. So the Bible
Speaker 2: tells us how could be a skilled listener about twenty
Speaker 2: five times in the Book of Proverbs, God says, I
Speaker 2: want you to learn how to listen, and we are
Speaker 2: commanded twenty five times to listen well. So we're going
Speaker 2: to do a quick overview, a quick survey of some
Speaker 2: of the highlights of the Book of Proverbs on learning
Speaker 2: how to listen well. Six skills in order to listen well,
Speaker 2: and just for fun, I put them in an across
Speaker 2: the lste in. So here's how you listen. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: get right into it.
Speaker 3: Number one.
Speaker 2: First thing God says about how to become a great
Speaker 2: listener is ll look at them with love. Whoever you're
Speaker 2: going to have your conversation with a child, a spouse,
Speaker 2: a friend, an x, somebody you work with, you look
Speaker 2: at them with eyes of love. It all starts with love.
Speaker 2: Without love, you have no great communication. Look at this
Speaker 2: verse on the screen. The Bible says in one Grindians
Speaker 2: thirteen one, if I could speak with human eloquence, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just a great speaker, an even angelic expression. If
Speaker 2: I don't have love for people, I'd only be making
Speaker 2: noise like a clanging symbol. God says words without love
Speaker 2: equal noise. That if I don't love, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what the conversation is about, because it's all about learning
Speaker 2: how to love. You could be eloquent. I have you know,
Speaker 2: I train pastors. You know that, And I've had pastors
Speaker 2: all around the world to mean, oh, Rick, I just
Speaker 2: love to preach like they expect me to be excited
Speaker 2: about that, And I say, well, so what. You may
Speaker 2: just like the attention. You might like the adrenaline rush.
Speaker 2: You may be a ham. You like the attention that
Speaker 2: everybody gives you when you're standing up speaking. I don't
Speaker 2: care if you love to preach, pastor, I want to
Speaker 2: know do you love the people you preach to. That's
Speaker 2: what makes it count. Because without love, I'm clanging symbol,
Speaker 2: I'm kinkling you know, crystals, I'm just noise. I'm not
Speaker 2: even doing anything unless I love. Now, God says that
Speaker 2: you need to always speak in love. It's intentional that
Speaker 2: I tell you that I love you practically every week
Speaker 2: because I want you to know. That's why I do
Speaker 2: what I do. Nobody pays me to do this. You know,
Speaker 2: I've served this church for free for forty four years.
Speaker 3: Nobody.
Speaker 2: I don't get a salary from this church. I do
Speaker 2: this because I love you, and that's what makes it
Speaker 2: have power. Now, how do you communicate love in a conversation? Well,
Speaker 2: you know how to do this. If you've ever been
Speaker 2: on a date, you communicate love with your eyes the
Speaker 2: way you look at somebody. Have you ever looked somebody
Speaker 2: and they weren't loving you at that moment?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And have you ever looked at somebody and they
Speaker 3: were looking at it? You go, man, they really love
Speaker 3: me right now.
Speaker 2: And they haven't said a word. Your eyes are a
Speaker 2: powerful tool for showing love. And if you're going to
Speaker 2: have a conversation with a child, an important conversation, or
Speaker 2: you're gonna have an important conversation with anybody else, you
Speaker 2: start with looking at them in love, Okay, by paying attention,
Speaker 2: because attention is love. When I pay attention to you,
Speaker 2: I'm saying I love you. When you pay attention to me,
Speaker 2: you're saying you love me.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Jesus modeled this one day a young man. He was rich,
Speaker 2: he was a professional, He was a young man, and
Speaker 2: he comes to Jesus with a question. And here's what
Speaker 2: the Bible says about it, Mark ten, verse twenty one,
Speaker 2: Mark ten twenty one. Jesus felt genuine love for the
Speaker 2: man as he looked straight at him. Circle the phrase,
Speaker 2: as he looked, he looked, and he loved he looked,
Speaker 2: and he loved so great communication. When you're gonna sit
Speaker 2: down with a face to face conversation starts with the
Speaker 2: way you look at somebody. They've got to feel that
Speaker 2: you love them. They're not going to listen otherwise. Proverbs
Speaker 2: twenty verse twelve. God has given us eyes to see
Speaker 2: and ears to listen with. Notice he didn't say anything
Speaker 2: about the mouth there in communication, it's your eyes and
Speaker 2: ears that matter more than your mouth.
Speaker 3: He says.
Speaker 2: We've got eyes to see, we've got ears to listen.
Speaker 2: You should be looking for non verbal cues. Now, how
Speaker 2: many eyes did God give you two? How many ears
Speaker 2: did God give you two? How many mouths did God
Speaker 2: give you one? You should listen and look twice as
Speaker 2: much as you talk. And that's the reason God gave
Speaker 2: you twice as much. The biggest problem in communication we
Speaker 2: talk too much. We don't listen enough, we don't look enough.
Speaker 2: We talk too much. And the Bible there's a lot
Speaker 2: to say about this.
Speaker 3: Why do we talk too much?
Speaker 2: Because we love ourselves more than we love anybody else,
Speaker 2: and we like to hear ourselves more than we like
Speaker 2: to hear anybody else.
Speaker 3: Talk.
Speaker 2: Now, God warns over and over again in the Bible
Speaker 2: about talking too much. At least ten twelve verses in
Speaker 2: Proverbs talk about the problem of talking too much, and
Speaker 2: he says, first, you got to learn how to listen,
Speaker 2: for you learn how to talk. Let me just show
Speaker 2: you a couple verses about talking too much. Look up
Speaker 2: here on the screen. The Bible says this, Proverbs ten fourteen.
Speaker 2: The wise don't tell everything they know, but the foolish
Speaker 2: talk too much and are ruined. Look at the next one,
Speaker 2: the Bible says, Proverbs ten nineteen.
Speaker 3: The more you talk, the more likely you are to sin. Okay, duh,
Speaker 3: all right?
Speaker 2: Law of averages Proverbs thirteen three. Talk too much and
Speaker 2: you're done for Proverbs thirteen three. Look at this one,
Speaker 2: Proverbs eighteen twenty one. Those who love to talk will
Speaker 2: have to eat their own words. Yeah that's how many
Speaker 2: you have ever had to do that? Yeah, we've all
Speaker 2: done that. Proverbs ten nineteen, Living Bible. Don't talk too much,
Speaker 2: you keep putting your foot in your mouth. Be sensible
Speaker 2: and turn off the flow. I love that in the
Speaker 2: Living Bible. I love that verse so much that when
Speaker 2: my kids were little, I wrote a song for it,
Speaker 2: and I would sit down at the piano in our
Speaker 2: house and we would all sing this song. Don't talk
Speaker 2: too much, you keep putting your fluid in your mouth.
Speaker 2: Be sensible and turn off the flow.
Speaker 3: I still know that.
Speaker 2: Verse from art, you know thirty years later. Okay, and you,
Speaker 2: if you're a parent, one of the ways to teach
Speaker 2: your kids scripture is make up a little song about it.
Speaker 2: Why because I wanted to say there are times you
Speaker 2: can talk too much. Look at this one. I love
Speaker 2: this one. Proverbs twenty nineteen. Don't associate with the person
Speaker 2: whose mouth is always open. Last week we talked about
Speaker 2: the kind of friends to have and not to have.
Speaker 2: Don't associate eight with a verson whose bouth is always open.
Speaker 2: They're gonna get you in trouble. So the problem with
Speaker 2: looking at people in love is that we just talk
Speaker 2: too much. Now here's the second skill, the E or
Speaker 2: the I in listen is invest as much time as needed.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna learn to be an expert listener, you
Speaker 2: not only start with looking at him in love, but
Speaker 2: then I you invest as much time as needed. Because
Speaker 2: the truth is, you can't listen well in a hurry.
Speaker 2: If you're in a hurry, you're not ever going to
Speaker 2: be a great listener. Great listening takes time. You have
Speaker 2: to slow down. The truth takes time. Now a good
Speaker 2: example of this is Job chapter two. You know the
Speaker 2: story of Job. He was a wealthy man. We mentioned
Speaker 2: him last week in our last message. Job chapter two,
Speaker 2: he lost everything. And in vers of Eve to thirteen,
Speaker 2: it says this, when Job's three close friends heard of
Speaker 2: the tragedy that Job had suffered, they got together and
Speaker 2: they traveled from their homes.
Speaker 3: They didn't actually live in the same town.
Speaker 2: They traveled from their homes to comfort and console him.
Speaker 2: And then they sat on the ground with Job silently
Speaker 2: for seven days and nights, and no one said a word,
Speaker 2: for they saw that his suffering was too great for words.
Speaker 2: Now this passa just packed with truths, but let me
Speaker 2: just point out a couple of them. This is called
Speaker 2: the ministry of presence. And one of the things that
Speaker 2: I teach pastors, and I would teach you, is that
Speaker 2: when you're dealing with somebody in pain, the deeper the pain.
Speaker 3: The fewer words you use. Don't ever forget.
Speaker 2: That the deeper the pain someone is in, the fewer
Speaker 2: words you use. If if somebody is having a bad
Speaker 2: hair day, Okay, are there just feeling a little gassy
Speaker 2: or something like that. You know, then you can talk
Speaker 2: to them about it for thirty minutes. But if they
Speaker 2: have a major crisis in their life, a spouse walks out,
Speaker 2: a child dies, they get laid off after fifteen years,
Speaker 2: the deeper the pain, the fewer words you use, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people go, I don't know how to react.
Speaker 3: To a person in crisis.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say, don't say anything, show up
Speaker 2: and shut up. That's the ministry of presence. But people say,
Speaker 2: don't I didn't know. I didn't go see them because
Speaker 2: after this tragedy in their life, I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to say. Don't say anything. There's some pain that is
Speaker 2: beyond words, and that's what it is saying there. When
Speaker 2: you have a friend or a child or something like that,
Speaker 2: you don't You don't try to talk them out of
Speaker 2: their pain.
Speaker 3: You show up, you shut up.
Speaker 2: You do the ministry of presence and the fewer words
Speaker 2: you use, but you.
Speaker 3: Invest as much time.
Speaker 2: Notice how many days did Job's friends sit on the
Speaker 2: ground with him seven? That's a real friend to say,
Speaker 2: do you have anybody in your life who'd sit on
Speaker 2: the ground with you for seven days without saying anything.
Speaker 2: That takes a very mature person. They're just that we're
Speaker 2: gonna be with you in your pain. Have you ever
Speaker 2: had to spend a long period of time with someone
Speaker 2: and not say anything. That's the mark of a true friend.
Speaker 2: You invest as much time as needed, and because you
Speaker 2: can't listen in a hurry, you just have to be
Speaker 2: there and when it's the right time, they'll say something.
Speaker 3: And when it's the right time, then you'll be able
Speaker 3: to say something to you.
Speaker 2: So elle and listen, look at them with love, I
Speaker 2: and listen is invest as much time as needed.
Speaker 3: Number three.
Speaker 2: The s in listen is share their feelings, not your solution.
Speaker 2: Share their feelings, not your solution.
Speaker 3: A lot of times.
Speaker 2: You'll have a conversation with a child who's had a
Speaker 2: really bad day at school, or a spouse who's had
Speaker 2: a really bad day at work.
Speaker 3: Or a friend and a neighbor or a.
Speaker 2: Relative who's had a really bad last six months. And
Speaker 2: one of the problems with us as human beings is
Speaker 2: we like to fix things. We all want to be fixers.
Speaker 2: And what God wants you to do before you're a fixer,
Speaker 2: He wants you to be a feeler. He wants you
Speaker 2: to feel the pain their feeling before you try to
Speaker 2: fix the problem. Share their feeling whatever they're feeling before
Speaker 2: you try to fix.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: A lot of times a child will come to you
Speaker 2: or a teenager will come to you and they say,
Speaker 2: I had this problem, and you remember how it was
Speaker 2: a big deal when you were that age, but it's
Speaker 2: not a big deal for you anymore, and so you
Speaker 2: try to talk them out and say.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not really that big a deal.
Speaker 2: Well, that's just very unloving because it is a big
Speaker 2: deal to them, and if you love them, it will
Speaker 2: be a big deal to you. So you share their feeling.
Speaker 2: You don't share your solution. As I said, men in particular,
Speaker 2: we're fixers. And I didn't understand this for many years.
Speaker 2: Kay would come in with a problem. I thought she
Speaker 2: wanted to me to fix your problems.
Speaker 3: I learned much later.
Speaker 2: No, she just wanted to talk about them, and she
Speaker 2: wanted me to go that's a problem.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever seen one on that big
Speaker 2: wooh man? Is that a problem? Wow? No wonder you're
Speaker 2: worried about it. It's no wonder you're discouraged about it's
Speaker 2: no wonder you're feeling down.
Speaker 3: That is a problem, babe. That's a problem. Man, oh man,
Speaker 3: that is a problem.
Speaker 2: And you know what, sometimes if I actually made a
Speaker 2: mistake and actually did that without thinking, she'd walked away
Speaker 2: going that's all I needed. I just needed my husband
Speaker 2: to understand what a tough day I had. I didn't
Speaker 2: need him to fit anything. But we typically are quick
Speaker 2: to the fix. That means you're not listening. It is
Speaker 2: my typical nature that if somebody comes to me with
Speaker 2: a problem, they're barely into the fourth or fifth sentence
Speaker 2: and I'm going to I know how to fix this.
Speaker 2: But that's not loving. We all want to be fixes.
Speaker 2: But first people want to be understood. People don't care
Speaker 2: what you know until they know that you care.
Speaker 3: They want to feel loved. They want to feel understood.
Speaker 2: They want you to feel what they're feeling, and they
Speaker 2: want you to validate.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: I see why you're worried, why you're upset, why you're frustrated,
Speaker 2: while you're angry, why you're whatever emotion you're feeling. I
Speaker 2: need to mirror that. I need to share their feeling.
Speaker 2: Not the solution. Here's what the Bible says Proverbs eighteen,
Speaker 2: verse thirteen. Anyone who answers quickly without listening, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, getting to the fix first, the solution.
Speaker 2: Anyone who answers quickly without listening first is both foolish
Speaker 2: and insulting. So let me just say this, when anybody
Speaker 2: comes to you, a friend, a family member, or somebody else,
Speaker 2: somebody in your small group, listen and feel their feelings
Speaker 2: before you try to fix anything. Don't get to the fix.
Speaker 2: Just wait.
Speaker 3: Even if you know the.
Speaker 2: Solution, don't tell it, just wait. Let them share all
Speaker 2: they need to share. There is healing and sharing. There
Speaker 2: is healing and being able to have somebody listen to you.
Speaker 2: Your ear is a healing tool used by God. If
Speaker 2: you'll let God use it, If you'll learn to listen
Speaker 2: to people without trying to fix them first, many of
Speaker 2: them will be healed right there on the spot, simply
Speaker 2: by being listened to, because they weren't paid attention to it.
Speaker 3: Maybe some other.
Speaker 2: Point in their life, share their feelings, not the solution.
Speaker 2: One of the best examples of this is the death
Speaker 2: of Lazarus. Lazarus was the brother of two women in
Speaker 2: the Bible named Mary and Martha. Mary, Martha and Lazarus
Speaker 2: were good friends of Jesus. He often when they lived
Speaker 2: in a town called Bethany, and when he would go
Speaker 2: to Bethany, he always stayed with Mary and Martha and Lazarus.
Speaker 2: And one day Jesus was just about, you know, a
Speaker 2: half a day away from Bethany, and it's not very
Speaker 2: far from Jerusalem, and he gets worried that Lazarus is sick,
Speaker 2: and I mean deathly sick. He's like on his deathbed,
Speaker 2: he's going to die. Jesus is a half a day away.
Speaker 2: It takes him three days to get there. This is
Speaker 2: one of his best friends, Lazarus, and people don't understand
Speaker 2: why did it take him so long, because he has
Speaker 2: a plan. He didn't want to heal him. He wants
Speaker 2: to raise him from the dead. He's actually hanging out.
Speaker 2: He has a plan. He knows what he's gonna do.
Speaker 2: He already knows the solution even before Lazarus gets sick.
Speaker 3: But finally he shows up three days later.
Speaker 2: By this time, they've buried the guy and he's dead
Speaker 2: and he's in the ground. He's already in the tomb,
Speaker 2: and the Bible says this. In John eleven thirty two
Speaker 2: to thirty six, Mary fell at Jesus' feet, and she
Speaker 2: cried out, Lord Lord, if you had been here, my
Speaker 2: brother would not have died. In other words, I know
Speaker 2: you could have healed him, but he's dead. If you'd
Speaker 2: just been here, he would have lived. But now he's dead.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: When Jesus saw her Mary weeping, along with many others
Speaker 2: who were weeping, he was deeply moved. Circle that deeply moved.
Speaker 2: He's sharing their feelings. Where have you baren in his body?
Speaker 2: Jesus asked, come and see Lord, they replied, And then
Speaker 2: the next two words are the shortest verse.
Speaker 3: In the Bible.
Speaker 2: So here's our memory verse this week. Jesus wept. That
Speaker 2: is the shortest verse in the Bible. It's John eleven
Speaker 2: thirty five. Everybody say, John eleven thirty five, John eleven
Speaker 2: thirty five, And what is John eleven thirty five Jesus wept?
Speaker 2: And where does it say in the Bible Jesus wept,
Speaker 2: John eleven thirty five. You just memorized the Bible verse,
Speaker 2: the shortest one in the Bible, but it's also one
Speaker 2: of the most significant ones because it shows that Jesus sympathizes.
Speaker 2: Jesus weeps, Jesus cares. He's not unconcerned about your pain.
Speaker 2: And when Jesus saw everybody else around him weeping, what
Speaker 2: did he do? He mirrored it, He mimicked it, he
Speaker 2: entered it. He shared their feelings.
Speaker 3: Even though he knew the solution.
Speaker 2: Jesus already knew he was gonna heal this guy, that
Speaker 2: he actually was gonna resurrect him. He knows why he's
Speaker 2: doing what he's doing. He knows why he delayed. He's
Speaker 2: gonna prove that he's the son of God by resurrecting Lazard.
Speaker 3: He knows in advance the solution.
Speaker 2: And he walks in and everybody's weeping, and everybody's crying,
Speaker 2: and everybody's grieving.
Speaker 3: And Jesus does.
Speaker 2: Not say, everybody, stop it, stop crying. I got the solution.
Speaker 2: He doesn't say that. He doesn't say, everybody stop grieving.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna heal the guy. I'm gonna raise him.
Speaker 3: From the dead. Watch this. No, he doesn't do that.
Speaker 3: What does he do? He weeps with him. He weeps
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 2: That shows the sympathy, empathy, and compassion of our savior.
Speaker 2: He already knows the solution, but what is he doing.
Speaker 2: He's sharing their feelings, not his solution. This is the
Speaker 2: principle of the story of Lazarus, and if Jesus did it,
Speaker 2: he is gonna heal him. Certainly you can do. You
Speaker 2: may know the solution, hold off, don't. If you're gonna
Speaker 2: be a great listener, you got to listen to the
Speaker 2: to their feelings and enter into that.
Speaker 3: Does this makes sense? Okay?
Speaker 2: This is how you become a great listener. I look
Speaker 2: at them with love, I invest as much time as needed.
Speaker 2: I share their feelings, not my solution. Even if I
Speaker 2: know I can solve it, I don't share it yet.
Speaker 2: I just share their feelings and I enter into their grief.
Speaker 3: And that's what Jesus did. Wow. Some powerful words from
Speaker 3: Pastor Rick.
Speaker 1: And now this really is one of my favorite parts
Speaker 1: of the broadcast. Letters from our listeners.
Speaker 3: Here's Rick.
Speaker 2: I love getting letters from you. Let me share a
Speaker 2: little bit longer when it's from Sarah and her four
Speaker 2: year old son. She said, Pastor Rick, my husband and
Speaker 2: I are involved in a church plant in Salem, Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and I make an effort every day to listen to
Speaker 2: other pastors preach by a podcast. But I began listening
Speaker 2: to your Daily Hope podcast and I stumbled across Christians
Speaker 2: in the workplace and that small group study that you
Speaker 2: did that has been a great study and quite relevant
Speaker 2: to us. Thank you for making your materials available beyond
Speaker 2: Saddleback Church, Pastor Rick. As a result of my regular
Speaker 2: listening to your podcast, my son now frequently asked to
Speaker 2: listen to the sermons. He's four and a half years old,
Speaker 2: and one morning, on our way to church, he asked
Speaker 2: me to put on a sermon. I love this kid,
Speaker 2: he said. I had a Pastor Craig podcast in the
Speaker 2: queue but began to listen, but my son kept asking
Speaker 2: to listen to a sermon by you, and I kept
Speaker 2: telling this was a sermon. Then he said, no, I
Speaker 2: want to listen to Pastor Rick Warren. That's funny. Well,
Speaker 2: when your four year old's Sam asked to listen to
Speaker 2: Rick Warren, you listen to Rick Warren. So I asked Sam,
Speaker 2: why like to listen to you? He said, I like
Speaker 2: what Pastor Rick says, and he said he says, if
Speaker 2: you don't swing from one bar to another, you're just
Speaker 2: gonna hang there.
Speaker 3: Well, I was shocked. That he had picked up that truth.
Speaker 2: That was just one of the recent Daily Hope messages
Speaker 2: where you talked about faith and you were referring to
Speaker 2: where trapeze artists have to let go of one bar
Speaker 2: before they reach on to the second, and all of that.
Speaker 2: Just to say thank you for the work you do,
Speaker 2: for the messages you teach, and it goes noticed even
Speaker 2: by the youngest of human beings, My four year old
Speaker 2: son best Sarah, Well, what can I say, Sarah, this
Speaker 2: is just such a great story. Thank you, and thank
Speaker 2: your four year old son Sam for listening, and thank
Speaker 2: you for your ministry. And Salem, Massachusetts. May God bless
Speaker 2: your church and may all of you join me next
Speaker 2: time as we continue to look at God's word for
Speaker 2: our daily hope.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Rick, And if you'd like to let
Speaker 1: Rick know how much this broadcast has meant to you,
Speaker 1: how it's blessed you, please send him an email at
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Speaker 1: Rick looks so forward to reading those emails. Be sure
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