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<v Speaker 1>The world of serial killers is a strange one. Certain

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<v Speaker 1>names have become so iconic over the years, with the

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<v Speaker 1>public becoming fascinated with both them and the case that

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<v Speaker 1>it borders on obsession. Today's case comes from that golden

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<v Speaker 1>age of serial killers and is just one of those cases.

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<v Speaker 1>This killer's name has become synonymous with psychology students and

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<v Speaker 1>has given the world the chills since the late nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixties with his obsession over women's shoes and clothing. The

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<v Speaker 1>killer's will to get exactly what he wanted only seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to grow with each victim he collected, until finally it

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<v Speaker 1>all came crumbling down after a kidnapping went unsuccessful. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the bizarre and bone chilling story of the infamous

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Brutos, a k a. The Shoe fetish Slayer. My

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<v Speaker 1>name's Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Gram.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast material. Audience listener, dis I think

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<v Speaker 1>I've already made Nicole mad at me today. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>take much these days, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I repeatedly have this song stuck in my head and

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't for the last two days, which has been amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you just started singing it wurst. That would piss

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<v Speaker 2>me off. You get a mic in front of Ben

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<v Speaker 2>and he just like you, I should record before I

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<v Speaker 2>actually hit record, because there is always a what would

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<v Speaker 2>you say, like show performance? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we do a pre show with lots of

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<v Speaker 1>that in it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Not it's that it's still not to its full extent.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, fair enough. Well when no one's looking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>singing in the shower, that's the kind of stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>Nichol's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So but like next level.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done it on the show before too, you know that, right?

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<v Speaker 1>People know my goofy singing it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>No I know, but thanks a lot. Well, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>just have to hear me singing that song all day,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good song. Yeah. How's it going with everyone

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<v Speaker 1>out there? We are officially in twenty twenty five? Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>your new year is still going good. Hasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>crashed and burned? Like some people. I've saw some social

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<v Speaker 1>media posts where it's like, well, twenty twenty five is

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<v Speaker 1>already fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>So curiously, yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly memes, but it's still funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Okay. Well, I mean just because it's a bad

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<v Speaker 2>week or bad day, it doesn't mean the whole year

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<v Speaker 2>is just done.

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<v Speaker 1>True, true, But it's fun. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It is funny. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get too deep into our conversations today,

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<v Speaker 1>I first want to thank our patreons who signed up

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<v Speaker 1>this week over on Patreon, So shout out to Darryl

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<v Speaker 1>do grits. I'm going with. I'm saying do grits. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's how you're going to pronounce your name. It's

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<v Speaker 1>d r u g A t Z. And yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>taking it's not it's either druggets or drugates. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>with drugids. Okay, that's that's my thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds good to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Darryl drugets me, you me? No, not you me?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do they put me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>They probably? Okay. I was like, what the hell did

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<v Speaker 2>you sign up to be a patron? Was so confused.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not me me?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, yeah, who's on the first situation here?

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<v Speaker 1>We got Craig boy for and Samantha Shoots, So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much for signing up over on Patreon. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys are getting that exclusive behind the scenes content and

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<v Speaker 1>of course the extra episode at the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 1>If you sign up for you know that all inclusive

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<v Speaker 1>or all access t here. So yeah, yeah, so shout out,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. You guys are incredible. If you guys want

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<v Speaker 1>to sign up for a Patreon as well, link in

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<v Speaker 1>the description of this podcast. But I got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about something else right now.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do?

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<v Speaker 1>I got we sure do?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, sorry, I thought we were going on in

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's what I was going to but then

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<v Speaker 1>A sounded like you had some other time.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I was just like, let's go okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's what I was going to do too, So

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<v Speaker 1>glad we're on the same page. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how this is going to be a two parter episode,

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<v Speaker 1>so heads up, this is part one, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that this is going to be a short first part,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am going to say the second part will

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<v Speaker 1>be much longer, much more involved. This is a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a deep dive, and I wanted to split the

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<v Speaker 1>information like fifty fifty between the episodes, but there's too

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<v Speaker 1>good of a spot to stop. So it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be heavier on part two than part one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, makes sense, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably looking at like forty percent Part one, sixty percent

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<v Speaker 1>Part two, maybe maybe even thirty five percent Part one,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, yeah, I don't want to do the

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<v Speaker 1>math in my head. I know it's small math, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't want to. I haven't had enough coffee

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<v Speaker 1>for it yet. But you know what I mean, heavier

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<v Speaker 1>on part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to say part one isn't gonna be good, because

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<v Speaker 1>trust me, it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good, real good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So with that being said, have you ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>of the name Jerry Brudos?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, I wonder one day if you will ask

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<v Speaker 2>me this and I will be like, yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 2>heard of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's funny because I've never heard of the name

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Brudos either. And he is a very prolific individual

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<v Speaker 1>in the true crime scene. Like most people know of him,

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<v Speaker 1>he is very prolific, a very big case. He though

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a single individual who inspired Buffalo Bill of

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<v Speaker 1>Silence of the Lambs, there are aspects to him that

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly did inspire that character. Oh okay, so I love

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<v Speaker 1>Silence of the Lambs. So I'm surprised I haven't heard

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<v Speaker 1>of Jerry Brudos. But yeah, massive case very well known,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're doing a deep dive on it. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I am?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, it all starts on a sunny afternoon in

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<v Speaker 1>April of nineteen sixty nine, a woman by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Sharon Wood, a Portland State University employee, was heading

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<v Speaker 1>to her car after she was finished her work. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a walk that she'd made countless times before, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the bustling campus, weaving through students, hallways, corridors, crosswalks,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you name it. And she's hurrying doing her thing

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<v Speaker 1>getting to her car. It was simply routine and everything

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<v Speaker 1>felt normal on this day, at least it did at first.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was making her way closer to the parking

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<v Speaker 1>garage where she parked her car, a strange feeling began

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<v Speaker 1>to creep over. Her thing just wasn't quite right. Sharon

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<v Speaker 1>a quieter wrote she often took, but an unshakable instinct

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<v Speaker 1>her change her mind. Feeling a bit off about it. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>and heading towards the basement level it felt safer, but

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<v Speaker 1>as she reached the bottom of the ramp, heavy footsteps

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<v Speaker 1>began to echo behind her. Before she could react, a

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<v Speaker 1>man grabbed her by the shoulder, spun her around, and

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<v Speaker 1>immediately a gun was pointed directly at her chest, and

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<v Speaker 1>the words don't scream or I'll kill you were spoken

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<v Speaker 1>right to her face. She was terrified, but Sharon was

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<v Speaker 1>also defiant, and she screamed anyways. Her voice pierced through

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<v Speaker 1>the air, reverberating across the stone walls or i guess,

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<v Speaker 1>concrete walls of the parking garage. The attacker quickly shoved

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<v Speaker 1>her to the ground and clamped his hand over her

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<v Speaker 1>mouth quickly in an attempt to silence her. But Sharon

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't giving up so easy. She bit down hard on

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<v Speaker 1>the man's hand, hard enough to even taste blood in

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<v Speaker 1>her mouth. Holy shit, the man yelled in pain as

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<v Speaker 1>the tables momentarily turned Infuriated and desperate to regain control

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<v Speaker 1>over her, he grabbed a fistful of Sharon's hair and

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<v Speaker 1>began slamming her head against the cold concrete ground. He

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<v Speaker 1>slammed her head again and again, striking her head until

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<v Speaker 1>Sharon's body went limp, she blacked out. The attacker, now

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<v Speaker 1>stepping back from the situation, was panicked and realized he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't risk sticking around. A car engine was rumbling nearby,

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<v Speaker 1>growing louder and louder as it approached the scene, and

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<v Speaker 1>without another moment's hesitation, the man fled abandoned Sharon where

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<v Speaker 1>she lay. He scooped up his gun ran into the

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<v Speaker 1>shadows of the parking garage. He managed to escape, but

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<v Speaker 1>his plan fell in shambles. Sharon, though battered and unconscious,

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<v Speaker 1>fought back fiercely enough to throw off this attack.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. Hey, yes, so like good for her, that is,

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<v Speaker 2>that was intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So this is a small piece of this entire

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<v Speaker 1>story here, but that story in itself shows fight, always

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<v Speaker 1>fight in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>No shit, holy fact, back make noise, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what Sharon did and honestly it saved her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I also have to say good for her being

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<v Speaker 2>observant too, because I feel like, if you're you're making

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<v Speaker 2>the same walk, you know, out of work or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>that you do daily, a lot of people would probably

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<v Speaker 2>just be on their phone, like not really being observant

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<v Speaker 2>of their surroundings. And stuff, but she knew and felt

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<v Speaker 2>that something was off right away for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will say, I mean, this is in the

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<v Speaker 1>late sixties, this is sixty nine, so she's in.

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<v Speaker 2>Her cell phone to shape. But still you would probably

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<v Speaker 2>be in your head thinking about your work. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you would be paying super attention if you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing this walk daily.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. And also, like you've mentioned it before, like

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<v Speaker 1>following that gut feeling, and that's what she did. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go through that side stairwell, which yeah, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure, but most likely he was waiting there

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<v Speaker 1>for her. She took a different route and then he

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<v Speaker 1>came up behind her, you know, in a different way.

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<v Speaker 2>Eat creep. Oh that just gives you the shivers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when Sharon came to, she found herself surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>concerned students, with an ambulance crew arriving moments later. She

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<v Speaker 1>was dazed, her head was pounding. I mean, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just cracked against the concrete a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>and at first she couldn't piece together what had just happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But as her mind cleared and she kind of began

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<v Speaker 1>to calm down a little bit, Sharon managed to give

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<v Speaker 1>police a description of her attacker. It was a tall,

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<v Speaker 1>heavy set man, likely in his thirties, with short, light

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<v Speaker 1>colored hair. But there was one unusual detail that really

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<v Speaker 1>stuck out. The man was wearing women's clothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that would probably be something you member.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, yeap. Now, at the time, the significance of

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<v Speaker 1>Sharon's encounter wasn't quite fully understood, but her description would

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<v Speaker 1>later prove to be the first known sighting of a

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<v Speaker 1>serial killer who had already been preying on women across Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>The man who attacked Sharon would become the infamous shoe

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, wow, so.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first incident where he was identified reported.

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<v Speaker 1>However you want to say it where there is evidence

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<v Speaker 1>linking this individual a sighting, I guess is what we'll say.

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<v Speaker 2>I should just say, like to each their own. If

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to wear women's clothing, that's like more than fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was just you would remember that mostly he

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's a standout detail. I mean, someone has

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<v Speaker 1>a giant scar across her face, it's a standout detail. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>someone has a sleeve of tattoos, it's a standout detail.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely has nothing to do against morality or being right

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<v Speaker 1>or wrong. It's just a standout detail. You weren't a

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<v Speaker 1>bright yellow hoodie. That's a stand out detail. I say

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<v Speaker 2>Hoodie, So don't wear it if you're ever going to

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<v Speaker 2>attack someone apparently noted.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this killer's dark trail began over a year earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>on January twenty sixth, nineteen sixty eight, with the disappearance

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<v Speaker 1>of a woman by the name of Linda Slawson. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Linda was a nineteen year old who was going door

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<v Speaker 1>to door in Portland suburbs selling encyclopedias. You know those

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<v Speaker 1>because they were told, hey, it's a thing to pass

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<v Speaker 2>So my parents definitely had a set, so did mine.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Linda was doing. She was going door to

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<v Speaker 1>door selling those encyclopedias. Now, that night, Linda didn't come

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<v Speaker 1>home from her job, and when her family reported her missing,

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<v Speaker 1>police went and retraced her sales route. They too knocked

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<v Speaker 1>have interacted with and many of them confirmed that Linda

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<v Speaker 1>along the line, she just seemed to vanish without a trace,

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<v Speaker 1>months later, on November twenty eighth, in nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>when another young woman, twenty three year old Jan Whitney, disappeared. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Jan had been driving home with our sorry driving home

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<v Speaker 1>to Mcinnisville after celebrating holidays with family when a car

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<v Speaker 1>be found. Her disappearance left police baffled until this strange,

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<v Speaker 1>anonymous letter arrived days later. The letter claimed to be

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of Jan being there too, and they

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed Jan leaving with an unknown man. Now, investigators made

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<v Speaker 1>a public plea for the writer to come forward to

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<v Speaker 1>get any more details from this person that they could,

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<v Speaker 1>but this anonymous writer of the letter never came forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Handwriting analysis later on this letter suggests that the letter's

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<v Speaker 1>author had actually intentionally tried to disguise their writing. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you just write something normally, there's certain flows to

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<v Speaker 1>how you do it, right, like oh yeah, muscle memory

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<v Speaker 1>almost right, yeah, And there was certain things that were

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<v Speaker 1>done that were obviously not patterns that they typically do

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<v Speaker 1>or repeating patterns and stuff. So they're doing things specifically

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<v Speaker 1>to hide their actual handwriting.

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<v Speaker 2>Thinking that maybe it's actually the person then exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's what they began to think. They're like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if this individual's hiding their real writing, yeah, maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>the very person responsible for Jan's disappearance, basically turning this

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<v Speaker 1>anonymous tip into a taunting kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>To have to think though, hey, is just I don't know, creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is like to think that, oh, this helpful

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<v Speaker 1>thing is not something that's helpful, this is a taunt. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's fucked up. This guy already just has me

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<v Speaker 1>like completely creeped out. I feel like, oh, I've said

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<v Speaker 1>that word a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's just the vibe of this this I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know podcast I guess today.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, this this dude is a creepy fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, trust me, So I've gathered this correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>Trust me. You're we haven't even scratched the surface, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're creeped. He's gonna get much worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool noted.

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<v Speaker 1>So a few months later after that, on March twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, Karen Sprinker, a student at Oregon State University,

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<v Speaker 1>had plans to meet her mother for lunch at Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>and Frank's department storing downtown Salem. Different Salem than you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably thinking. We're talking east versus West coast here, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So now, witnesses saw her arrive at the rooftop parking lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but Karen, however, never made it inside to have lunch

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<v Speaker 1>with her mother. When she didn't return to her door

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<v Speaker 1>or show up for that lunch date, her worried mother

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<v Speaker 1>called police to report her missing. They looked for her,

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<v Speaker 1>they called around, but she was gone. Karen had vanished

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<v Speaker 1>without a trace. Now, not long after Karen's disappearance came

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<v Speaker 1>Sharon Wood's terrifying encounter that we talked about right at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, with the same man that we already discussed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that one right, yep, and now thankfully she

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<v Speaker 1>managed to survive. Now, this encounter marked a turning point

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<v Speaker 1>in this story, though authorities didn't quite know it yet. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the very next day after Sharon, the man attacked again

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<v Speaker 1>on April twenty second, targeting fifteen year old Gloria Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Smith near Parish Middle School in Salem. Again, not the

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<v Speaker 1>Salem you're thinking of.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit though, that's young. Yeah, fifteen also crazy. It

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<v Speaker 1>This would be his youngest targeted individual, just for reference. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria was walking alone on some train tracks when a

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<v Speaker 1>green car pulled up beside her. From this vehicle, a

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<v Speaker 1>man jumped out, and the man immediately grabbed her and

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<v Speaker 1>tried to drag her into the car, with him pointing

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<v Speaker 1>a gun directly at her. However, Gloria noticed something something odd.

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<v Speaker 1>The gun was clearly not a real gun. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a cheap plastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Toy Ooh, that's observant right.

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<v Speaker 1>This realization gave her the courage to fight back. She screamed, kicked,

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<v Speaker 1>and struggled, drawing the attention of a nearby woman who

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<v Speaker 1>called out from her yard. Startled. The man gave up

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<v Speaker 1>the assault jumped back into his car and sped away.

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<v Speaker 1>For the second time in two days. His plan failed again.

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<v Speaker 2>He's probably just like, what the fuck, right, But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>also shook that someone would be, you know, getting attacked

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<v Speaker 2>like that and actually realized that the gun was fake, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, it really is. It's extremely observant, observant, especially

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<v Speaker 1>like when you say you're getting attacked.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and she's fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she managed to keep a level head enough,

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<v Speaker 1>keep her her wits about her to make this observant

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<v Speaker 1>realization that oh that's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so huh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So the man, undeterred, though, struck again the very next

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<v Speaker 1>day wow yeah, determined to get what he was after.

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<v Speaker 1>On April twenty third, twenty two year old Linda Saley

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<v Speaker 1>went to Portland Lloyd's Center shopping mall to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>a birthday gift for her boyfriend. After spending time browsing

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<v Speaker 1>for the perfect present, Linda was last seen leaving a

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<v Speaker 1>jewelry store at around five thirty PM, somewhere between the

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<v Speaker 1>closely on the heat of the previous incidents finally made

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<v Speaker 1>police suspect that they were dealing with a serial predator.

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<v Speaker 1>The abductions seemed calculated, the victims they were diverse, but

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<v Speaker 1>somehow they were kind of eerily connected with these patterns. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>With no concrete evidence or leads, investigators feared the worst,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon their fears would tragically be confirmed. On May tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, a man by the name of Sam Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>was headed to go find a good spot along the Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>the Long Tom River. As he walked the banks, something

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<v Speaker 1>caught his eye, a flash of white beneath the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of the water. Curious, Sam climbed up to a tree

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<v Speaker 1>A body suspended just beneath the water's surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, that would just be such a chilling site.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the body of twenty two year old li

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<v Speaker 1>Into Sali.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that that's the one that was getting what we

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<v Speaker 2>just talked about the last one? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, who was buying the present for her boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct? Okay, yeah, and this was just two weeks after

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam quickly called the police and divers soon sent were

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<v Speaker 1>sent to recover her body, but when they entered the water,

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<v Speaker 1>what they discovered was Linda's body was not floating, at

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<v Speaker 1>least not to the surface. It was weighed down. It

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh my gosh, okay, holy shit. People that end

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<v Speaker 2>up finding bodies like I just I just can't. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, like I go paddleboarding a lot, I would

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<v Speaker 2>just like I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Die, right, And it's funny. Well, I mean it's not funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's thinking about it. Like so many fishermen in

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<v Speaker 1>you head to the water to go fishing. Oh shit,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a body. The last story we covered, I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure was an oysterman heading out on the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh body, guess I'm not going fishing today, right, cool boy? Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The police spent the next two days dredging the river bed,

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<v Speaker 1>scouring the mud in search for more evidence. Divers were

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<v Speaker 1>heading down searching, searching, searching, and on the second day,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the divers found a rusted car engine, and

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<v Speaker 1>attached to it were the same cord and wire they

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<v Speaker 1>found another body. It was the body of Karen Sprinker,

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<v Speaker 1>the third woman to disappear, Her remains heavily decomposed after

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks in the water. Now, the gruesome details of

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<v Speaker 1>Karen's body, though, made it clear just how horrific her

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<v Speaker 2>What the shit?

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<v Speaker 1>And the paper towels were held in place by a

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<v Speaker 1>unsettling clue that pointed to the killer's growing pattern and obsession.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh okay, so this is like some dexter shit he

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you put it that way, I guess sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And also those poor people that have to actually go

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<v Speaker 2>and dive for these bodies like in search, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>nightmare material. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, imagine being diving in murky water or going through mud,

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<v Speaker 1>so you probably have visibility like inches in front of

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<v Speaker 1>your face, right boy. Yeah, And then you find this

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<v Speaker 1>engine and you find twine and stuff wrapped around it

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<v Speaker 1>and then wire and you follow it and then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you would feel it before you saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we do this right now? Holy shit, this is

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<v Speaker 2>literally like the worst nightmare for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'll stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, it was undeniable to the police. They

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<v Speaker 1>were dealing with a serial killer. You're squirming in your chair.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to pay attention now, but I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, the police are like, yeah, we got a

427
00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>serial killer. It's obvious, right, yes, And the victims shared

428
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<v Speaker 1>a troubling profile. They were young, attractive women, often well dressed,

429
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<v Speaker 1>and typically they were students or workers at universities in Oregon.

430
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<v Speaker 1>With this in mind, police began to stake out places

431
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<v Speaker 1>where these young women would be gathering, particularly at college campuses,

432
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<v Speaker 1>hoping that someone might be able to identify the killer,

433
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to talk to individuals, maybe saying, hey, have you

434
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:39.640
<v Speaker 1>seen something? Have you heard something? Do you know of anything? Right?

435
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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't long before one of the female students

436
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<v Speaker 1>came forward with a crucial piece of information. She had

437
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<v Speaker 1>a story that would basically crack this case wide open. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>On May fourteenth, nineteen sixty nine, this student from a

439
00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>local university reached out to police with a disturbing tip.

440
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<v Speaker 1>She explained that she'd been receiving unsettling phone calls from

441
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<v Speaker 1>a man who claimed to be a lonely Vietnam veteran.

442
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>He reportedly asked her out on a date, and his

443
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<v Speaker 1>persistence wasn't limited to her. Apparently, dozens of women at

444
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<v Speaker 1>women at the university got similar calls. But his approach

445
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<v Speaker 1>was rather odd and unsettling. But shockingly, he managed to

446
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<v Speaker 1>persuade a persuade a few of these women to actually

447
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<v Speaker 1>go out on dates with them. Now, particularly this woman

448
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<v Speaker 1>who tacted police, had actually agreed to meet the man

449
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<v Speaker 1>as well. She had described him as heavy set, with

450
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<v Speaker 1>light colored hair and freckles. He had piqued her curiosity

451
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<v Speaker 1>by claiming he wanted to discuss psychiatric psychiatric treatments that

452
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<v Speaker 1>he had learned about during his time as a patient

453
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<v Speaker 1>at Walter Reed Medical Center. Now this just so happened

454
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<v Speaker 1>to tie into her academic pursuits, so she reluctantly decided

455
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<v Speaker 1>to give him a chance. The date started off innocently enough.

456
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<v Speaker 1>They met for lunch and coffee, and their conversation was polite,

457
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<v Speaker 1>if a little bit off, but as the date wore on,

458
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<v Speaker 1>things took a bit of a strange turn. At one point,

459
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<v Speaker 1>the man leaned across the table, placed a hand on

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<v Speaker 1>her shoulder, and began massaging it. Then, in a move

461
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<v Speaker 1>that left her even more uncomfortable, he asked her to

462
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<v Speaker 1>pretend she was sad so he could comfort her.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, whoa talk about a date gone wrong?

464
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<v Speaker 1>Right now? If that doesn't give you the dick, I

465
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:25.839
<v Speaker 1>don't know what.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Oh that is so just fuck. I don't even know

467
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<v Speaker 2>how to describe that. That is so uncomfortable.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Remember when I said, we haven't even scratched the surface

469
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of how creepy this guy is. Yeah, here, here's a

470
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<v Speaker 1>little bit more.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, even Ripley just got up. She's like, oh, I

472
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 2>just can't deal with that.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's bad when the dog gets the dick.

474
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Now if that, though in itself, wasn't bad enough, the

475
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.640
<v Speaker 1>conversation grew even darker from there. He suddenly brought up

476
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<v Speaker 1>the recent news about the bodies being discovered in the river,

477
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the victims of this suspected killer. He asked her, why

478
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.039
<v Speaker 1>would you meet a stranger like this? How would you

479
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<v Speaker 1>know I wouldn't take you down there and throw you

480
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<v Speaker 1>in the water with the others.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit?

482
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, the woman was understandably terrified. She managed to

483
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<v Speaker 1>end the date without further incident, and immediately reported the

484
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>encounter to the authorities. Yeah, I don't know if I

485
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<v Speaker 1>would have hung around for very long even either, if

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<v Speaker 1>that was the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I honestly don't think that there could be

488
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<v Speaker 2>another like she will never have another day. That is

489
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 2>that fucked up.

490
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<v Speaker 1>No, No, that that's about as fucked up as it gets.

491
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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised she didn't fucking smack him across the face

492
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 1>for that, like start massage. He pretend to be sad

493
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<v Speaker 1>so I can comfort you. By the way, how do

494
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<v Speaker 1>you know I'm not a serial killer?

495
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<v Speaker 2>B gosh, I would be running for the goddamn hills

496
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 2>right wow. Oh.

497
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<v Speaker 1>Regardless, though, despite the unsettling behavior during their first encounter,

498
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<v Speaker 1>the man's somehow managed to secure a second date with her,

499
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>or so he thought.

500
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, here we go. I could hardly swallow my

501
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 2>water after you said that, I was just like.

502
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.119
<v Speaker 1>What your jaw dropped. And then when I said or so,

503
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.319
<v Speaker 1>he thought, then your eyes lit up it was. The

504
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 1>emotion was amazing, so detectives working with the woman asked

505
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>her to continue engaging with him on these phone calls

506
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to help their investigation. She agreed, and after a few

507
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>more phone calls, they set up another meeting scheduled for

508
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<v Speaker 1>May twenty fifth, nineteen sixty nine. But this time, when

509
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 1>the man pulled up to her dorm to pick her up,

510
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.519
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't met by her. He was met by the police.

511
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<v Speaker 1>It was a scene that seemed to be pulled straight

512
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>out of a Chris Hansen handbook, because yeah, he's expecting her,

513
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>but police were there instead. And the officers are like,

514
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.599
<v Speaker 1>can you step out of your car and come talk

515
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<v Speaker 1>to us? So they led him straight into an empty

516
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>office in the dormitory for questioning. The man was identified

517
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>as Jerry Brutos, a thirty year old electrician from Portland.

518
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>He was polite and cooperative during the interview, explaining that

519
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 1>he was just a lonely man trying to find love

520
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.880
<v Speaker 1>despite having a wife and two kids at home.

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00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>What yep, Okay, yeah, okay, so what a complete asshole yep.

522
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Now, after some questioning, the police had no hard evidence

523
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 1>on him. I mean, sure, he's a little creepy. Maybe

524
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 1>he's cheating on his wife, that sort of shit, But

525
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing really confirming just yet, so after a

526
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 1>little while through the interview, eventually they let him go.

527
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:48.799
<v Speaker 1>The next day, however, the police decided to follow up

528
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>with a visit to Jerry's home, and what they found

529
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was a little more than suspicious. His basement garage, an

530
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 1>unusual place in itself, was locked up tight with access

531
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>trolled by an intercom system. Even his wife and kids

532
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>were not allowed to enter without his permission.

533
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I would not be okay with that. I'd find

534
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>my fucking way in there, right, you had this secret

535
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 2>little room. I'd be like, nope, I'm going in there,

536
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 2>like we gotta know what the fuck's happening.

537
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's a red flag and a half right there.

538
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 1>So inside this basement garage situation, detective spotted rolls of

539
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>nylon cord and as well copper wire, both that matched

540
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the ones found in the river and or. More over

541
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 1>than that, they also found distinctive knots that were used

542
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.359
<v Speaker 1>to tie up the bodies of Linda and Karen that

543
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>matched in the garage as well. The discoveries didn't end there,

544
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 1>investigators also noted that Jerry's mother owned a green Volkswagen car,

545
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the exact same make, model, and color of the car

546
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>seen during the attempted abduction of Gloria Jean Smith just

547
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>weeks earlier.

548
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, at first, christ getting real here.

549
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh one hundred percent, but still trust me, we're only

550
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 1>scratching this surface. At first, the police didn't have quite

551
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 1>enough to arrest Jerry here, but they did have enough

552
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.279
<v Speaker 1>to secure a search warrant for his vehicles. So on

553
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<v Speaker 1>May twenty seventh, detectives returned to his home and search

554
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 1>the cars, hoping for conclusive evidence to tie him to

555
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 1>the murders. While nothing definitive turned up, the whole event

556
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 1>clearly rattled Jerry because he decided to take his chances

557
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 1>and pack his wife and kids into a into a car.

558
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:36.519
<v Speaker 2>And run get the fuck out of there. Eight.

559
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he fled north, possibly trying to make it an

560
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<v Speaker 1>attempt to hit Canada.

561
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh go away. Also, like, you don't say that he's

562
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>not guilty here, hey.

563
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, yeah, if you run that, that's a sure

564
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 1>sign that you did something fucking wrong.

565
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, Jerry might have escaped for good. Honestly, if

567
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 1>he had left earlier, but by this point police were

568
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 1>keeping a close eye on him, and then they realized

569
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>he was gone not too long after he took off,

570
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 1>so they wasted no time issuing an APB for the

571
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>family car, and it didn't take long for the vehicle

572
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to be pulled over just a few hours north of Portland.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry was arrested on the spot and charged with attempted kidnapping. Now,

574
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 1>this arrest and attempted kidnapping charge came thankfully from Joria

575
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>sorry Gloria Jean Smith, because of her positive identification of

576
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.279
<v Speaker 1>him as the man who tried to abduct her.

577
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and that's the fifteen year old, wasn't it? Yes? Okay.

578
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>So, as Jerry was being booked into the Salem County Jail,

579
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 1>the guards got a glimpse into his unsettling private world

580
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 1>and also a little bit of a glimpse on the

581
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:50.119
<v Speaker 1>connections on between everything. While stripping him down to change

582
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.599
<v Speaker 1>him into his prison jumpsuit, they discovered that he was

583
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>wearing a pair of silky women's underwear beneath his clothing.

584
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>It was an unnerving detail that hinged at a much

585
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>deeper and darker obsession as you said earlier, Hey, wearing

586
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>those women's clothing whatever, where you want, No one fucking cares.

587
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>But in this case, it is definitely something a little

588
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>bit noteworthy. You know. It's not something that in the

589
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies they see too often when bringing people into

590
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the jail, I'm sure, And it's a bit of a

591
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 1>pattern that unfolds throughout this case. So the search of

592
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>his basement meanwhile, or basement garage, I don't really understand

593
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the exact layout. I've just kind of been like, it's

594
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.319
<v Speaker 1>this garage, it's this basement. It's kind of this like

595
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>limbo between the two. So I'm not sure exactly how

596
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 1>to describe it. But this room, let's call it that.

597
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. The search of this room revealed

598
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 1>far more than just rope and wire to be found.

599
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 1>With a green light to conduct a comprehensive investigation on

600
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the locked up space, police uncovered a trove of chilling evidence.

601
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<v Speaker 1>The full extent of his crimes were about to come

602
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.599
<v Speaker 1>to light, and it was far worse than any of

603
00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 1>the authority figures, investigators or police could have imagined. But

604
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>before we talk about that, we first need to understand

605
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>how Jerry Brudos became this infamous shoe fetish slayer. So

606
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 1>we're going to dive into his early life because it's

607
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a psychological roller coaster that roots right down to his childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Born on January thirty first, nineteen thirty nine in South Dakota,

609
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Brudos was the second son in his family. His mother, Eileen,

610
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 1>had desperately wanted a girl. She prayed for a daughter,

611
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 1>and then when Jerry arrived instead and she was given

612
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>a boy, a second son, she resented him deeply for it.

613
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Wall She never hid her disappointment either, and Jerry grew

614
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>up under the weight of her open disdain. As a

615
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>form of punishment and perhaps a way to vent her

616
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>frustration over his gender, Eileen would dress Jerry in girl's

617
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>clothing and ridicule him for it. These experiences became formative.

618
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I became yeah formative for young Jerry, blending shame and

619
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 1>confusion about his identity with an early fixation on femininity.

620
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Eileen strict and judgmental views about sex and sexuality only

621
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 1>made things worse, and he mentioned of such topics excuse

622
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>me was treated with absolute disgust, and Jerry's natural curiosities

623
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>or eccentric behaviors were used to excuse used as an

624
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>excuse to ostracize him, branding him as the family freak.

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00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, yes, holy shit, that's fucked up.

626
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yeah, trust me, it is.

627
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Like you hear about stories of parents,

628
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.280
<v Speaker 2>like you know, damaging their children, but that is something.

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00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh she did more than damage her child. She instilled

630
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>something into him and we're going to talk about it here,

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<v Speaker 1>trust me. So by the time he was just a toddler,

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<v Speaker 1>even Jerry was already developing psychological issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No.

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of five, he had an encounter that

635
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<v Speaker 1>would profoundly shape the rest of his life. While wandering

636
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<v Speaker 1>through a junkyard, Jerry spotted something that caught his eye,

637
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a bright red pair of open toe, high heeled shoes.

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00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>They were discarded among the piles of scrap metal and junk,

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<v Speaker 1>and for some reason, a reason that he didn't fully understand,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, hey, he's only five years old. I

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<v Speaker 1>think many adults wouldn't even understand either, But he was

642
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 1>captivated by these shoes laying there. He went over to them,

643
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>reached down and picked them up, and he slipped them

644
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<v Speaker 1>on his feet. They were many sizes too big. I mean,

645
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>he's five years old and these are adult women's shoes.

646
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 1>So they were slopping around this kid's feet as he

647
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 1>strutted back home, excited to show off his discovery. To him,

648
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 1>it was a harmless act of play, you know, imagination

649
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 1>dress up. After all, he'd been forced into women's clothes

650
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 1>many times before by his mother, right, it wasn't foreign

651
00:35:56.119 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to him. But his parents, especially his mother, didn't seem

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00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 1>it is just play, just imagination, just dress up. Eileen,

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the click clack of high heeled shoes on the

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<v Speaker 1>front porch, horrified her when she saw her son.

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<v Speaker 2>How would this horrify her? I am just so confused right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, he's willingly doing it. She forced him to do

657
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it to ridicule him before, and now he's doing it

658
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 1>on his own for fun. Oh jeez, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>I understand or get it. I'm just putting it in

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<v Speaker 1>a perspective to Devil's advocacy, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when she saw this, she lashed out at him,

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<v Speaker 1>berating him and demanding that he throw those shoes back

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<v Speaker 1>in the dump where he'd found them. But Jerry just

665
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 1>couldn't part with these shoes. So this little five year

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<v Speaker 1>old secretly stashed them away, sneaking them back into the house,

667
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and when his mother discovered what he'd done, she confiscated

668
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 1>the shoes and burned them right in front of him,

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<v Speaker 1>reducing his prize possession and first real source of joy

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00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.079
<v Speaker 1>to ash. This moment became a turning point in Jerry's

671
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>young life, the inciting incident, if you will. It wasn't

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00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 1>just about losing the shoes. It was the collision of

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00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>his growing fascination with women's footwear and the cruelty of

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00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>his mother's control into her one son. Eileen poured her cruelty,

675
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>her malice, and her will to dominate his life, and

676
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>as a result, from that day forward, collecting women's shoes

677
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 1>became a deeply secretive and compulsive act for Jerry, a

678
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>fascination that became darkly intertwined with his resentment towards his

679
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>mother and by extension, women as a whole. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is where we're going to end Part one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I am just so I don't even know,

682
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 2>just like torn right now, like just so torn, I know,

683
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 2>right because we just determined that this guy is a

684
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 2>complete piece of shit. But then also like that is

685
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:03.400
<v Speaker 2>just kind of heartbreaking.

686
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:05.039
<v Speaker 1>It's so heartbreaking.

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00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what to think right now.

688
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 1>So this is a classic case study for many psychology

689
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 1>students in university, Yeah, because there is so much to

690
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 1>fucking open and examine here. It's been researched over and

691
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>over and over again. And yeah, it is dark, it's

692
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 1>very sad, and it's very creepy. And though Jerry goes

693
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 1>on to be a complete piece of shit the obvious,

694
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.559
<v Speaker 1>as I said, inciting incident, you look at it and

695
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.039
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, that's not his fault, Like his mother

696
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 1>made a monster.

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00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like what was his mother doing right?

698
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>All because she wanted a daughter?

699
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Which is just so disgusting.

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00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, Like I'm sorry, fucking bitch. Yeah, I've been

701
00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 1>called out on the show a few times for swearing

702
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot, but I don't care. Eileen is a fucking.

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00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah period, that is I don't know. That is

704
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.559
<v Speaker 2>just like you shouldn't be having kids, I guess if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't be like, you know, happy with just having

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00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a healthy baby or whatever you're gonna make. She basically

707
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 2>turned him to kind of be unhealthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Really exactly now I understand, sure, Like a mother might

709
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>want a daughter, a father might want a son, or

710
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, someone's looking for a specific you know, child

711
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to bear and raise. I'm looking forward to, you know,

712
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 1>doing this with my son's sort of situation, right.

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00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

714
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>But but the moment that you birth something different that

715
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you expected into the world, I think all that should

716
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>go out the window, and it's just like, now you're

717
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.559
<v Speaker 1>just focused on what you do get to enjoy with

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00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>this child.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would say, normally, would you like I think

720
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 2>there could be like small little you know, inside inside

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00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 2>voices you're like, oh, like I wish you know, I

722
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 2>could be doing this with my son, like you said.

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00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.639
<v Speaker 1>But you could do that with your daughter.

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00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh that is oh bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Now, as I mentioned, part two is gonna

726
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<v Speaker 1>be much longer than part one. Here that part one's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's I don't know a little On the short side, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't understand how there's that much more to this. I

729
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>think our minds are gonna be blown.

730
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>There is a lot to unpack, there is a lot

731
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 1>to talk about. So yeah, part two we're gonna get

732
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>much more into this deep dive of Jerry Brutos. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I'm like my voice is weird today.

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00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe okay, maybe I just need more coffee,

735
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>more beer.

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00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Next maybe you need some water.

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00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I do, but I can. I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>next episode, I will be drinking whiskey because we're gonna

739
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 1>need that. At least I'm gonna need that. Oh geez,

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00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>So makes your next episode. You've got a drink ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it is water, whether it is whiskey, doesn't matter.

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00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Have a cup of something that you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy because we got to buckle up.

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00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you're gonna need something to help kind of

745
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 1>relax you through this process for the part. So just

746
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 1>saying that, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, looking forward to that.

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00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we'll talk to you in part two.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, if you want to check out our

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<v Speaker 1>social links, all are in the description of this podcast

751
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and including Patreon. If you want to go ahead and

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00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.119
<v Speaker 1>give this podcast a rating, we'd greatly appreciate that five

753
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.119
<v Speaker 1>stars if I may recommend. But hey, you do you.

754
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.519
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you being here. We are an indie podcast, produced, written,

755
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.119
<v Speaker 1>recorded all on our own. It's us and thank you

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00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>for your support. It means the world. And until part

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<v Speaker 2>Two, stay wicked.