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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of May

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<v Speaker 2>something For this week of May nineteenth, we are continuing

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<v Speaker 2>with Running Point on Netflix with episode nine the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw this coming, entirely predictable, player tested against it.

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<v Speaker 4>We did.

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<v Speaker 1>Could they have made it more arbitrary either. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>even that she cheated with the coach. It's just of

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<v Speaker 1>all the times that you have not done what I

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<v Speaker 1>have hoped you would do, this is the time I'm

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<v Speaker 1>drawing the line.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yep, of all the times you've been flaky or

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<v Speaker 3>missed something, and they established that these two have been

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<v Speaker 3>together for like seven years or.

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<v Speaker 1>Some and out of all the times, I say, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that you have a lot going on. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't make it, it's okay. This is the time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't true. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>From a parenting point of view, it reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and the mother daughter dinner. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, had to go to the mother daughter dinner

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<v Speaker 1>every year at church. It was no negotiable. Got that

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<v Speaker 1>I graduate, go to college, live away from home. I

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<v Speaker 1>graduate college and go to Kansas City and live away

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<v Speaker 1>from home. I come back and I'm living in my

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<v Speaker 1>parents' house again, and there's a mother daughter dinner, and

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<v Speaker 1>once again I have to go. At this point even

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<v Speaker 1>less interested than I was when I was a kid

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<v Speaker 1>and a person in high school. So this one time,

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<v Speaker 1>here comes the dinner. And I was participating in a

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<v Speaker 1>community choir and it was getting kinda close to concert times,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the same rehearsal as the same night

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<v Speaker 1>as the dinner. And I said, Mom, I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely can't go. I have to be at this rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very important. I have to be at this rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was hurt, as moms are, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>non negotiable about it. I have to be at this rehearsal,

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<v Speaker 1>It's no question about it. I can't go to the dinner. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>then that night I hear that a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>has had let's just say, a mental health crisis and

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<v Speaker 1>is in the hospital, and a bunch of us are

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<v Speaker 1>going to go visit her. So we blow off the

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<v Speaker 1>practice to go visit her in the hospital. And when

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<v Speaker 1>my mom hears this, she reacts about the way the

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<v Speaker 1>leve reacted here, which is a you know, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's important to me is not important to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is unforgivable, right, And I'm like, well, but my

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<v Speaker 1>friend almost died, that's an important thing. I had to go.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter, you know, doesn't matter that you're taking

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<v Speaker 1>the guy to rehab, which is the right thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and terrible thing's gonna happen if you didn't. Doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where I have drawn the line in the sand.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't care what your reasons were right. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing that is important to me is not important to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is irreparably hurtful. Right, So I feel for

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<v Speaker 1>Ilah because I've been not She was as nice as yours, honey.

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<v Speaker 1>But I understand where you're coming from, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I can see his point of view too, because boy

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<v Speaker 1>with guy in trouble for quite some time, possibly never

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<v Speaker 1>got back from that. I don't know I moved. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I moved out of the house. It's not too

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<v Speaker 1>long afterwards, because it's like this bleep I am done with, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, now that I'm a mom, I can see. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the mother daughter dinner. It's the thing we

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<v Speaker 1>do every year. It's our mother daughter and is all

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<v Speaker 1>rights on this? Why won't you go with me? Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you care? So yeah, you know, I can see it,

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<v Speaker 1>But in a TV show, in a sitcom, it's spectacularly annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that. Stop stop stop stop. There will be

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<v Speaker 1>another mother daughter dinner next year. You can go to

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, another Pediatrician of the Year award.

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<v Speaker 1>You should have given away her cake. The cake, but

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<v Speaker 1>she trying to get there, she just went to the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong place. It's not like she just you know, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>show up at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, well, it's just one of those, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard them all, and it just doesn't seem in keeping

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<v Speaker 3>with what we have seen of his character thus far.

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<v Speaker 4>Or of their relationship or her relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess they're trying to make the point that, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, her life changed a lot because she got

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<v Speaker 1>But that could have been an ongoing conversation throughout the season.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, And it could have been I mean, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>She was going to convert and then she changed her mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, oh what else? Oh but this

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<v Speaker 1>you waited a piece of chocolate cakee. This is where

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<v Speaker 1>I draw a line, clearly, clearly what needs to happen

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<v Speaker 1>is that she needs to stand up in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a game and sing Taylor swiat seeing some tailors,

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<v Speaker 1>and that will make it all all right. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a very sitcomy moment, which I entirely ate up with

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<v Speaker 1>a spoon like a piece of chocolate cake. I am

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<v Speaker 1>there for that, And if Charlie had not turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a puddle of tears, I would have been done with him, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But of course he did so, and I sort of

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<v Speaker 1>liked that half the half the auditorium was was booing

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<v Speaker 1>and half of them was singing along. Right America at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five, this is where we're at. I absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>believe that would happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm sure very cute.

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<v Speaker 3>And happy to see Sandy and his hair being recited

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<v Speaker 3>with their.

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<v Speaker 1>Now can he do something with that hair? Charlie, Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>you've worked with Doc exactly what. I'm sure you can

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<v Speaker 1>make his whatever that is going on, or just take

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<v Speaker 1>him aside and say.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, no, if we're going to be back together,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to insist on some things.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe he just like the tossile hair look from dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he was a good boy. That's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you get that hair. Yeah, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm glad that that at least worked out and

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie uh sort of broke her the deal and then

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<v Speaker 1>hoping when he said make the reservation for four, that

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<v Speaker 1>Sandy had gone and figured out how to make things

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<v Speaker 4>But no, that was too much.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been too much into a TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>And also Sandy is not that guy. No, he is

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<v Speaker 1>far too That would have required him paying attention and caring,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I did think at least maybe he was

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<v Speaker 3>thinking like, oh, and you can invite you know whoever,

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<v Speaker 3>she doesn't know who it is.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he was so is he said he only had

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think the guy's daughter is one of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Another single date. Okay, yes, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the people who got in his DMS and

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<v Speaker 3>just was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, hey, well, yeah, if I wrote down the name

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<v Speaker 1>the time he said at fifty two times, we'll know

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<v Speaker 1>when she.

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<v Speaker 2>Comes back to finally get back together, which she.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's coming back for next season, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have to tie up that loophole. Yes, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to be bringing Max Greenfield back next season,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see him dance before this season is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this has been talked up across the internet, so somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, his ability to move needs to be demonstrated. He

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<v Speaker 1>can do a dance and sing Taylor Swift to her,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But she doesn't deserve that he needs, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean should she have not taken Travis to rehab to see?

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<v Speaker 2>Is she the only person who could take Travis to reham?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I think in this scenario, Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it'd be law of economy of characters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she is, and she is proving that she is

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<v Speaker 1>not like her family, Yes, by being caring and doing

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<v Speaker 1>the thing and not ponting this off to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh ah, I don't know. It's a sitcom. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you want? I want? I want everybody to be

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<v Speaker 1>happy as you got one more episode?

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hm, got one?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but like you said, this was, you know, another

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<v Speaker 3>classic case of I'm not going to be like my parent.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and as.

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<v Speaker 3>We've said before, try to raise your children in such

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<v Speaker 3>a way that they do not have this response to

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<v Speaker 3>your yes, to your actions, right, and they will go

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<v Speaker 3>to mother daughter dinners with you. But also you have

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<v Speaker 3>to be the kind of parent who acknowledges like oh,

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<v Speaker 3>a friend had a crisis, like you need to be

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<v Speaker 3>there for the front, you know, not to not to

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<v Speaker 3>slag on your mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, I think if I had not gone to

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<v Speaker 2>Squire, Yes, exactly it would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>So I sort of did my own self in but

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, she was a bit of a handful anyway. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's from a parenting point of view, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want your kids to grow up to think that what

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<v Speaker 1>they want to be is the opposite of who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're not going to be able to They're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to escape. I'm just as over controlling and overbearing

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<v Speaker 1>as my mom, right, And if somebody, if somebody did

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<v Speaker 1>that to me, I probably he would make them suffer.

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<v Speaker 2>So and it was counselman Jeremy jam that got yes

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<v Speaker 2>changed her.

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<v Speaker 4>Mind because he used the word horse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yes, nice to see him again, I guess. But

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, there was a lot of talk about doing

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing having the right result. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just don't think about it. So doing the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>thing sometimes brings the right result is classic self justification. Yes, not,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I want to do, even if it's bad, is righteous.

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<v Speaker 1>So and if it doesn't bring the right result, well

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<v Speaker 1>then I tried. And if he does, then I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>good person. But in this case, I guess the right

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<v Speaker 1>thing brought the wrong results if you consider her relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to be a result. So it's hard when you're hard

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<v Speaker 1>to navigate that with kids. Yes, from a parenting point

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<v Speaker 1>My kids should know that. But yeah, it's not as

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<v Speaker 1>in TV shows or people actually do that? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, sometimes you try to do those grand gestures

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<v Speaker 2>Write something completely different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but what a screwed up bunch of people.

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<v Speaker 1>See, she could have just called Travis's mom and had

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<v Speaker 3>although she might have recrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>See I was right. Yeah I should have stayed you

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe she would.

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<v Speaker 3>Have, you know, like I'll keep him sober through the

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<v Speaker 3>playoffs and then yeah, probably that would have probably been

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<v Speaker 3>I think would have been her response.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of things that really matter, not but still filled

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<v Speaker 1>Sandy watched. I have watched that scene an embarrassing number

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<v Speaker 1>just because yes, and then he starts singing this song.

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<v Speaker 1>He notices that she's on the plane and it's so

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<v Speaker 1>sweet yes, and gave Sandy a pretty good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>As it turns out, Adam Sandler noted romantic Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime that pops up on YouTube, I am watching it

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<v Speaker 1>just because so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>The bad guy gets locked in a plane bathroom to

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<v Speaker 2>Right, good times for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>is the husband of Brenda song who plays Ali. They

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<v Speaker 1>I guess during uh, during Sandy's.

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<v Speaker 2>Song, Well, that would be fun little easter.

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<v Speaker 1>Raight, Yeah, come visit your wife at work day, right

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<v Speaker 4>not quite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if we had to have this thing with them

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<v Speaker 1>breaking up, I'm glad that anything that happens with the

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<v Speaker 1>coach is going to happen after that and not before that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad it wasn't reason for it, even though the

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to find out if that actor has his

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<v Speaker 3>contract renewed, the one who plays the coach, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look up and see which of these two gentlemen

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<v Speaker 4>Cast for season.

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<v Speaker 1>Will tell us a lot, Yeah, because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not like Lost, where anything can happen and flash back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah never.

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<v Speaker 1>But so, so, do you think that they're gonna gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win the championship?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think they're going to It's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>down to the last minute, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty likely.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's something we can predict with confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, yep. And we didn't see any of scheming

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<v Speaker 1>older other in this episode. No, correct, So uh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>gotta they have to pay off that, yes, at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>which would have to be this episode. So this coming episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is this coming episode called?

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<v Speaker 2>It is called Game seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, they've been They've gone to town with these

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<v Speaker 1>last few episode names.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I know some of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Early on were Game seven so complicated and hard to pronounce.

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<v Speaker 1>They just a little better than Pilot, but still it's

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<v Speaker 1>like they have two people who do the names, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of them is incredibly on the nose and the

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<v Speaker 1>other is doing things that that podcasters will have to

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<v Speaker 2>I'll struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take the Game seven, thank you, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize both those words, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So next Wednesday we will watch that Game seven, and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see you back here tomorrow for our weekly Roundabout

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