Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome to That's Not Metal. We are your
weekly rock and heavy metal podcast, and welcome to another edition.
Here we are of Hyperblasts, our weekly stitch you up
in short fashion rock and metal news show where we
let you know everything that's been going on in the
last seven days. My name is Perrinheish with me. We've
got Sam Digonon and Mark Sanderson here, and speaking of
things that have gone down in the last seven days,
we've actually got some pretty big, you know, exciting music
news and stuff to talk about. But we're going to
lead off, I suppose with something that was late to
rest in the last seven days. And the reason that
I can for the first stretch of this episode largely
hand the reins over to Samon marqu here is something
that how have you guys been feeling? Have you guys
been you know, coming down from your experiences?
Speaker 2: I mean, don't be sad that they're going to be
sad that they were there to begin with.
Speaker 3: That you've lived for it, this this epic twenty year.
Speaker 2: Career that lived a liar is what you did. I
mean maybe we did, but we are believing.
Speaker 1: We're bereathed have some respect. Yeah, So as said, you know,
news is have to get into later, but first of all,
we are going to give the moments to U me
at six who finally fucking I mean both in terms
of like how long the tour was and just in
general finally hung up. You know, their their their rocking shoes.
This past week they ended their enormous Final Nights of
six tour they were doing with was it Wembley Arena
was the final?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I picked because that was kind of like
the site of their initial biggest show, like that fight,
the original finale of Sin, which was kind of like
their crowning moment like so kind of coming full circle
back to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this tour has been going on for It's
like they did a hell of a lot of dates,
which you know for the last Hurrah fair play, you know,
go and play every single quarter of the country. So Mark,
you saw them probably like two weeks ago or some shit. Now,
I remember they played, you know in Liverpool like long
before that. So they've been going for a while on this,
but now we have the moment it's finally happened at
the end where we can talk about collectively. You know,
Sam was at the final Unit six show, but in general,
the final tour, the final shows from a band who
for better or for worse, are important to a lot
of people and defined you know, a certain era in
UK rock music, and you'll be shocked to know I
didn't go to the last tour and I wasn't racing
to get tickets or anything like that. And this is
a moment where, yeah, like I think you me at
six are a bad band. I think they're place in history.
We've got questions later about you know, kind of their
legacy and everything, but I think their place in history,
at least in terms of you know, musical history, I
think I'll say as a negative one and I'm glad
they're gone, but you know, four but here we are
for this show, and I think this is a moment
where sometimes you can acknowledge an opponent when they part ways. Right.
It's like when Steve Albini died and all those steely
Dan fan accounts were like, well, salut sir, you gave
us the enemy that we needed just for the purpose
of being jolly this episode. That is the position that
I will take, and I will hand over to Sam
and Mark here, who are both at various stages have
been in or New Me at six and I guess
you know, tell us about the final shows and the
emotions that were you know, in the air around them
are what we're going through your heads.
Speaker 2: I mean the thing for me is like I've seen
New Me At six a lot over a fifteen year period.
Ready in twenty ten, first time I saw them, first
time I ever crowdsurfed. So I have, like say, I've
been to a lot of UMIU six over a new
period and do you know what that entire time, same
five guys, Like this is one of the things like
I do actually genuinely respect about un at six. Like
aside from like the first two or so years of
the band, whe had a different drummer the almost the
vast majority of their career, the sort of major actor
period of take off your colors through to the end,
same five guys that entire time, and they have bowed
out on their terms, and I think that is admirable.
Look at so many their peers you've kind of just
like fizzled away into nothing or got canceled or whatever.
You meet six like respectable like kind of like they
have seen their career out twenty years and they've gone,
We're gonna, you know, end it on a massive shot
Wembley Arena on our terms, And I think that is
actually a very admirable, admiral thing, and I know it
made it.
Speaker 3: Made this kind of like a very nice ending.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a ah, you know they've gone before,
their times are one of those. It was kind of
like a you know what, You've had a bloody good
run you me at six and now let's just happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big old celebration.
Speaker 1: The closest that U be at six I remember being
getting to being canceled is buying something with a fifty
pound note and saying that the Amazons are the future
of rock music, which in the scheme of things, it's
kind of a sense of villainy that again we've been
able to bounce off of rather than just having to
show in gold Blood.
Speaker 3: Is one of the greatest rock songs ever, Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the bullshit they'd come out with. And
I'd rather that than some other things.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean I had seen you Me at six once
before this, in twenty sixteen, shocking twenty sixteen, they played
like four songs I knew and I hated it. It
was bullshit, and then I loved it when they played Underdog.
Speaker 2: So you saw them on Night People, you saw them
at the like the like the lovest point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like Night People wasn't even out. They
played like seven songs from it or some bullshit. But
I have to get a ticket to this just because
I don't know, just that recognition of the part of
my life, for better or worse, they've played like this
might be a shock to you and people listening. Sam
and I like to take the piss a little, We
like to exaggerate, maybe dabble in the little bit of irony,
but for my entire life of being into rock music
and really paying attention to rock music. So like I
started buying Karrang in oh seven o eight, I'm like
the prominent new band and to continue to be prominent
in this country ever since. Like and I was a
massive fan of the first two records in particular, and
every year, like there's been a thing to make me
enjoy you Me at six, whether it be the fifty
pound note or that fucking What's It Like song which.
Speaker 1: Is horrible the album cover.
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean that might be their defining moment for me.
Speaker 1: Literally we your phone lock screen for a little showing
me the worst part about that.
Speaker 4: It was my lock screen, and I would show people
expecting them to be like, ah, you me at six,
that's funny, and then having to explain, ihs you me
at six? No, No, they haven't broken up yet. No,
this is their new album, like so embarrassing, but like
Jelo's mine's to think alike. I saw that when I
was like twelve and I fell in love and just
this the prospect of seeing that song line, it just
it made me really emotional and it was like one
of my favorite like gig going experiences that and lived
a lie, Like I really really popped off, like surrendered
by a lot of like, oh I don't really know
this song. I was, what's this one? Is this to
Royal Blood rip off one? And then the boys stay
with Me and I'd be like, oh, yes, I'm ten again,
like a note of mixed emotions.
Speaker 2: I would say that the set list quite nicely mirrored
their career in a way, and then it started off
fucking unreal in wimbley, like when you're coming out of
room to breathe lover a boys stay with Me? Saving
for the bedroom take of your colors. As you're opening run,
I was like, this is the greatest thing ever. This
is the bet. There's no way this can go on.
And then they pay given night people in a row
and I was like, ah, you bet six. Like, I mean,
I've seen numiss again do every kind of nostalgia bait,
pandering show imaginable. I've seen them, you know, do the
first three albums in full. I've seen them do that
set when they did every single day released in like
chronological order. So it was so funny how like the
first eighty percent of that set or like seventy percent
is like the crowd going absolute batshit.
Speaker 3: And then it's nearly just gonna go.
Speaker 2: Until until it ends on what's it like like because
that was the last single at that moment in time.
Like they were funny band they've done like, but for me,
this file show just being a like, you know what,
here's all of it, what's and all? Like we are
touching on every album and you're gonna you know, like,
there's gonna be stuff you love here, there's probably gonna
be some stuff you don't like. But me, und six
shows for me are an experience of I'm with some
of my closest friends and we are just gonna dance
and sing the entire time, and it's gonna be fucking great,
even during the songs that we don't like, like fucking
sucker Punch right, not a great song, But I was
bouncing up and down with my mates during that one,
having a grand old time.
Speaker 3: And again the high points in this set, Lived a.
Speaker 2: Lie I would like again like me Mark, I've like
nailed our sol to this master of like lived Like
being one of the best rock songs off the twenty tens,
and I genuinely believe that like again, no irony in
that one. There is irony in some of my likeness
of liking of Unit six. Lived a Lie is a
perfect song, like genuinely, and I almost teared up seeing.
Speaker 3: That live for the final time. Yeah, I mean it
was special.
Speaker 4: I went with my friend who's like my friend Mel,
who is just like traditional heavy metal in goth is
their vibe. But we bond over the fact we liked
the first few UNIIT six albums, and there's a very
clear cut off of like Sinners Never Sleep. So when
Lived a Light came on and my soul left my
body Mel just looking at me like, what the fuck
is that?
Speaker 1: What is happening?
Speaker 4: I don't even know what the song is and Marcus
about to cry.
Speaker 2: There was so much good like why quite like about
Wembley as well, there was no kind of like it.
They ended it like it was one because the nights
before they seemed to put out special guests across the
various nights of the.
Speaker 1: Tour, you know, and Neil come out.
Speaker 2: There's Sammon, Neila Brixton, like two nights before, and so
I was kind of like, are they gonna, you know,
doing big just no, you know.
Speaker 3: What, just the five guys.
Speaker 2: The big thing we did get is they paid the swarm,
which fucking rips and I'm so glad they played that.
That is a banger, Like glad I got that in
the final show, Like Encore is like again, I still
got the opening one. The encore is like the perfect
Junior six encore of Bite my Tongue, reckless and underdog
like again just absolute bangers. Like again, not not consistently
amazing for out as a set list, because that's just
Nu MEI and six. There's gonna be a couple of
like stinkers in there. But again when I'm on of
my mates, I'm kind of outside of the ward to
have given night people like whatever. It was funny like
take on the World, which again like a wet song
that is for some reason, their biggest on that final
time seeing it, the emotions were stirring in me.
Speaker 3: I was kind of like, we will take on the world,
Junior six.
Speaker 1: Even in your absence, you were reminiscing about all your
favorite Vampire Diaries characters.
Speaker 2: I watched Vampire Diaries, and my friends who watched the
mod I was just crying her eyes.
Speaker 3: I was just like like, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh that makes sense now, but yeah, like there
was just you know, the water got me. They played Fireworks,
which is one of my favorite Union six ballads, and
that was I was, Oh, the emotions of like me eighteen.
Speaker 1: Year old, horrible sentence.
Speaker 3: They've got some good balance pair and they've got some
like but.
Speaker 1: This is no like made me feel a bit sick inside.
Speaker 2: I know this is breakup song of Umi at six,
Josh like not knowing how he feels about like the
woman he loved cheating on him. Like oh that that
that took me back to you know, angsty like eighteen
year old like listening to that, but I had a
great time. I think if this is it for EMIT six,
I think they have done the gentlemanly sort of way
to go out. I like, have a respectable kind of
like they never truly had a like complete disasters, but
they had bad albums and they had slightly like kind
of like Josh, don't go buy your album a fifty
pound note from marketing thing.
Speaker 3: But they again no cancer, more offenses.
Speaker 2: No kind of like complete like live show kind of
like disasters on stage just like and like I say,
they ended a massive like sold out Wembley show that
I've been to sold out shows at Wembley that have
not felt nearly as.
Speaker 3: Kind of like that. Every single possible ticket that they
could as sold.
Speaker 2: This show was used and it felt just like a
very euphoric, celebratory ending.
Speaker 3: So like you mean, six, I will miss you. If
this is it good way.
Speaker 4: To go out, Yeah, I think it was perfect because
the good the songs I like, I love And also
something else I love about Uni A six is how
naff they are where like did he.
Speaker 2: Do the more fit did he talk about you know,
the commitments to the mosspit bit at one point where
they were playing fucking like sucker punch, like yeah, look, even.
Speaker 4: During fucking songs like Mixed Emotions, Josh Francesca would be
doing like circle pit like hand motion as if that's
gonna inside anything. You me at fucking six, And at
one point he tried to do a like jump the
fuck up.
Speaker 2: During some punch. It's all that part of the set
where you trying to get on and I was like,
my knees ain't doing that, Josh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Like twenty percent of the crowd did it. It was
so embarrassing.
Speaker 2: A lot more people did it at Wembley, but like, okay,
like Josh that they are such a funny band because
they are like a bit cringe and like self serious sometimes,
but again it always just made them more lovable to me,
Like I will always that that endeared.
Speaker 3: The cringe was endearing with you me at six, I
don't care.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did Josh do the thing where he sort of
lunges forward, arms back like he's the most powerful man.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're pointing liquid confidence.
Speaker 1: What are you're doing?
Speaker 2: He cried at Wembley, because you know, like I think
it was after fireworks, before taking the world and liquid
confidence acoustic that like he got the emotions were there
for him because the most.
Speaker 4: Of emotional run the songs I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: Oh, they covered I Miss You babbling when they too
like impromptu.
Speaker 2: That was a genuine impromptu kind of like cover that
happens when he was doing kind of like an emotional
kind of like talking about how they all met and
how how Max used to have like sort of the
Tom DeLong and I Miss You video hair, and so they.
Speaker 3: Started covering it and it was like great, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Uh, I am glad they're gone, right, the villain like,
this is what I think, that there are things that
I will miss and things that I won't because fundamentally,
what I've always said about Uni at six is that
they were the one of that crop of some of
the most wet, boring bands to have ever kind of
collectively become buzzy as a kind of movement, you know,
the early twenty tens Umi at six top man core
thing that was going on in the uk Uni at six.
The reason they particularly kind of reserved for so much
aya is that they were the one that wouldn't go away,
and the other ones frequently have gone away and then
come back, right, and you know, maybe Unit six will,
but UNI at six were like the dinosaur that wouldn't
die essentially, and I do see there, you know, after
fifteen years or whatever, they're they're you know, moving on
as almost like, can we finally put that era to
bed now? Right, like the biggest one, the one that
wouldn't die? Are moving on? Can we finally park that era? Yeah? Yeah,
can we park that in the past? And I will
not miss every two years, I do know, being fed
a reason that people think I should care about U
year six of every couple of years. No, this album
is the best one in a while. We promise this album.
This album serious. The last album was the best one
in a while, and it was at least ninety percent
total dogshit because they were never ever good. And I
won't miss being fed that like oh remember liquid Confidence? Like, no,
it was never good and I'm not gonna think they
do it now, but I won miss that. I will miss,
as you're saying, the kind of cringe irony of it,
and the fact that they were so frequently an opponent
but in such a just a naff over anything else
kind of way. Yeah, I mean they were so hateable,
but they were more they were you know you love
to hate them thing rather than the genuinely odious stuff
that is out there. And maybe there's a new wave
of bad bands coming in that I don't even find
as again, I know lovably hateable, I suppose as a
UNI at six and so on. So while I think
it is a good thing for the music world and
the direction of rock music that we can try and
park that era in the past with you know, the
passing of You Me at six as a kind of
moment to plant the flag in that. And I will
never come around and say, oh, no, hold me Down great,
Really you were thirteen and the album's wet as fuck,
but Me Down is great in a strange sort of way.
I as said for their their their position as an
opponent for the last fifteen plus years, just just this once,
I will doff that cap to them for that. And
I do think, as you've said, you know, I do
admire the lineup stability and kind of you know, doing
it on their terms and kind of going out the
way that the Unit six as you knew, like if
it was Josh Franceski and four other guys, it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I do think that if they if that line had
changed over the years, I think my fondness for the
band would have would have dwindled.
Speaker 4: Ya.
Speaker 1: I couldn't fucking tell you which one is which, but
I could admire at least that they achieved that and
did that. And we'll talk a little bit more about
UNI at six later and some of their legacy and
the questions. But there we go. That is an end of.
Speaker 3: An era credibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the funeral for the six. Let's move
into the meat of the news, and we're obviously gonna
start with Turnstile because Turnstile we got very recently the
kind of teasing of a date and we were like,
surely you know that will be when an album's out
or something. Yeah, soon enough we got it confirmed. There
is a new record called Never Enough. It is going
to be out on that aforementioned date that they were teasing,
which is is uging somewhere. There we go, and they've released,
first of all, the album cover for it, which is
fucking rubbish. I think we should I really miss the
stage diving photos. This is just like like like an
app logo on an iPhone. It's terrible, But we do
have a new song called never Enough type or track
from the record. It is the opening track on the record,
and I think it's very much an opening track on
the record. Obviously, turn Style off the back of glow
On became arguably the most hyped rock band on the planet.
I don't think that's an exaggeration. So the follow up
to that is gonna be big, big news. And so
I've seen more discussion around this Turnstile single than I've
seen about, I know, probably any other single released so
far this year. So, uh, what do we make of
never Enough from Turnstile.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely like discussion around it. There's been
some funny chat I've seen about it. I'm like, oh,
you're picking now to get upset about Turnstile not being
a hardcore band anymore? Cool, Okay, you know, like glow
On was like that. I think this is like my
favorite comment about that. It was like, you know, Ton's
still definitely asked a hardcob band because they've written the
same song again.
Speaker 1: I saw that and thought the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, fair enough, because like, yes,
this is mystery part two for all intents and purposes.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Right when that guitar comes in, Oh, that guitar tone
is perfect. I cannot criticize that guitar tone, that drum sound,
the synth of production, everything about it is basically perfect
to me. The most I can say is that, like, yeah,
it's not like the most lot of like blow your
skirt up electronic turnstile song ever, But I just fucking
love the sound of this. I'm down for this is
like kind of having this as that kind of like
album opener, kind of like just big, shimmering, luscious sounding
kind of like mid tempo sort of anthemic song that
then builds into the album kicking shit off on track too.
If that's the kind of the turnstile thing, sign me
the fuck up. I like I again, I wasn't like
blown away by the first listen a couple of listeners
in now though, I can't say a bad one about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard, isn't it? Because it's not. It's hard
to talk about it as a song because it doesn't
feel like we're getting the whole piece of what we
can talk about. Like, I like it. It sounds last, Like
Sam says the hook on It is quite nice. It's catchy,
and for the last two weeks in my village we've
just nothing but so and it's been warm and lovely,
so I've been in the exact right space to accept
this song. It is funny that this is the first
thing they're releasing, because it feels like, you know, almost
we're hiding what we have up our sleeve. We're giving
you literally the first thing on the album, which isn't
really that much of a statement, because we know.
Speaker 2: I think it's just a stement of confidence. They've got
to come though. That's how it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's nice rather than the like this is
the start of our new era, We're back, like this
is our no rest for the wicked bank of the
disco whatever, you know. Like it's confident in quite a
subtle way, and I really like that, and it makes
me more excited to hear what they have off our sleeve,
of their sleeve.
Speaker 1: I think the song is good. I think it's funny
that the mystery thing, which a lot of people have said,
it just sounds like mystery, and I think it obviously serves.
I mean, it is the Ora have the record, and
it seems to open it in a very similar way
to Mystery. I will be curious basically again what it
kind of moves into because Mystery, again it kind of
it has that kind of turnstile have. Bizarrely, they've perfected
this thing of like hardcore that sounds like you're floating
on a lovely lilo or with a nice you know,
like candy candy floss pillow or something that there is
that just kind of like airiness about them. And this
has that sense style, and you know, Mystery starts that
record in a similar sort of way, but then moves
into a banger. This clearly you could say they're repeating
themselves in terms of it starts the record in almost
exactly the same way as from what we can hear
right now, but it's so much lower energy than Mystery.
And I think Mystery on its own is a mega
mega tune. This it feels more like I can see
the Mystery comparison, but it's more like Mystery if you
played on the lower RPM, you know, and it's just kind.
Speaker 2: Of that's purposeful. I think it is a bit more
just kind of like slacker and let back the Mystery
and more about just kind of like sitting in that
summer vibe, which yeah, but can't criticize, but it's.
Speaker 1: Like a it's a kind of a slightly woozier version.
I think it's good. I think it sounds good. I
would be curious to see again what kind of what
comes with it, because it does feel a bit like, uh,
there's no new trick here, right. What it is is
something that we know them to be doing now, but
a kind of like more foot off the gas sort
of version. So while I enjoy the song kind of
just as a vibe to kind of sit in for
a while, it does feel like exactly like you're saying,
they are kind of they're not putting their most dynamic
or kind of like bombastic foot forward first. It's much
more kind of like teasing you into what else might
be going on, and the fact that you know, this
is almost like a turnstile by numbers as expected sort
of experience. And we can say that about something that
has like kind of an extended smooth jazz piano fade
out from ostensibly hardcore bad. It is quite fun in
terms of, you know, kind of what they've set out
their stole as being. But I it certainly sound I
mean literally the ending sounds like it is gonna like
it kind.
Speaker 3: Of it cuts off track two is gonna kick off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a purposeful it's a very purposeful tease,
because it's there's about thirty seconds of ambience before that
little bit of a beat comes in right at the end.
They could have cut that easily for like the single
cut or whatever. It feels very like on purpose that
we're gonna let you hear a little bit of roadiness
to speculate and get excited, certainly, and funny, I just wonder, like,
are we gonna get a kind of like turnstile as
expected sort of aerience.
Speaker 1: But what that will be is something that doesn't sound
like anyone else. It might be one of those strange
kind of scenarios or something that is so kind of
I don't know, almost safe, But at the same time,
in the grand scheme of things so unique and so
out there, I'm obviously we're only speculating from track one
on a record that might intentionally be a kind of
bait and switch. But yeah, I mean, I think it's good.
I don't think it's one of the greatest singles to date,
but it's clearly meant to be a kind of draw
you into what's going on, and you know, obviously there'll
be much much more Turnstile talk in June when when
the album comes out. So Turnstile never enough out on
June the was it June the sixth?
Speaker 2: June sixth, Yeah, a week later.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, we can rename a d Day there
to T Day. There you go elsewhere. We have a
new Green Day song. It's a deluxe addition bonus track
from the Saviors album. It's called Smash. It like blushi
very quickly markets rubbish in it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was really confused because it's so generous.
Speaker 2: Rubbish lasted seconds and I was like, right, cool, don't
need to hear anymore.
Speaker 4: I was convinced it was a song from the album
because it felt so familiar and so just sort of
like bog standard Green Day to me that I had
to double check that I was listening to the right thing.
It's yeah, it's rubbish. It's it's that a Green Day
thing where the song is so generic that it sounds
like every New Green Day song. But also if you
asked me to recall it now, it just sounds like
white noise in my Brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was quite surprised see that Catatonia have actually
got a new album coming out that it's called Nightmares's
Extensions of the Waking State. That's also going to be
out on June the sixth. But this is surprising because
a the Skyboder Stars record still feels quite recent and freshman.
I think it's one of their quicker turnarounds. But that
is considering the fact that they've just you know, a
couple of weeks ago announced you know, one of their
founding members parting away to the band for the first time,
you know, in the entire duration of the band's history.
So they've lost one of the two major kind of
core songwriters, but also very very quickly turned around another record,
and I was wondering, like with that kind of you know,
with that space of time, I was like, well, will
this be here? You know, at Ander's final record, and
he's kind of contributed heavily to it. But it's you know,
this press release and everything seems to suggest that this
record you know, features the debut of their new guitarists.
So yeah, I don't really know kind of the story
that's gone on there, but there is new Catatonia coming
out on June the sixth, and there's a song that's
out called light Luck, which you know from a first
listen hasn't really kind of jammed its hooks in me
the way that you know some of the other ones have,
but that that happens sometimes with them, So I guess,
you know, we'll see. But you know, curious stuff going
on for the big Catatonia fans out there. This is
a funny piece of news. Death Grips this past week
put up a little photo on Instagram, which is you know,
normally the way Death Grips communicate is through like a
photo of something are still image and there'll be some
kind of message or something scrawled in the image somewhere,
which is exactly what's happened here. You may remember near
the start of this year, there was a screenshot that
came out from a conversation that someone was having with
one of the members of Death Grips, Andy, who said
that Death Grips may well have broken up because Stephan
that is empty ride. Apparently it kind of just didn't
want to do it at that point in time, and
there was a bit a lot of speculation there. I mean,
we did a little bit of speculation, but more so
like in the wider you know, music internet of like, oh,
death Grips are done, Deathcripts are over. And we had
a little bit of like, you know, maybe maybe this
is the end, because you can never really predict with them,
but also it could well not be. And this little
image that Death Grips have posted says despite rumor and hearsay,
we remain active as Death Grips signed Stefan and Zack,
which obviously suggested that Death Grips have not broken up.
But the fact that it's only signed the two of them,
I don't know if that means that Andy is out
of the band or if it's just Stefan and Zack
counteracting the thing that came from Andy. I don't know.
All I can say is there's something that we can
take away from this that is generally how I kind
of viewed them before, which is I think the way
to engage with Death Grips is to engage with them
when they're there in front of you, and just go
do something else when they're not there in front of you,
Like when Death Grips are not immediately tangibly in front
of you, you can just think about something else because
there's not a lot of stock really, I mean still
from this. I don't know if Death Grips are broken
up or not. Really they've said they're not, but they
could well be. I don't know. All I can say
is as said, when they're there and we've got them great.
When they're not here, I'm somewhere else.
Speaker 4: It's shorten as cat like the yeah, don't trust them, don't.
Speaker 1: Trust them, But there you go, Death Grips. Who knows.
Now we move on to what has been one of
the slightly biggest stories of the week, even though I it's,
you know, the one that I am then, at least
in the usiastic about talking about. But Dragon to Sunlight,
of all bands, have found themselves at the kind of
center of a social media storm over the past week
or so because Dragon to Sunlight they are going out
on a US tour around Maryland Deaths. We've reported on
that before, and one of the support acts for that
US run was due to be the band Meth, and
Meth this past week said that they had been kicked
off of Dragon to Sunlight's tour, allegedly because that they
were signed to Prosthetic Records. If you do not know
if you are not up on this. This has been
a thing for like years and years and years that
I know, the Dragon some like fan base has been
kind of aware of basically that the band were once
signed to Prosthetic Records and have like the mother of
all label beefs with their former label, Prosthetic Records, and
maybe there I don't know, is it like a data
remember in Victory or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'd say it's that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I you know, you might speculate the that
might be the reason Drag to Sunlight are creatively so
kind of slum on the ground in terms of like
they don't have lots of records, they went on hiatus
for a long time, all of that kind of stuff.
Stuff like that can play apart and play a toll.
So we all know that Prosthetic and Dragon to Sunlight
have beef and there's you know, a bad relationship there.
But the news that they had kicked off a band
who assigned to Records to their tour is quite bizarre
because why were they on the tour in the first
place if that is how it kind of is. Dragon
to Sunlight then made their little statement and they said
basically it was an oversight from their team, whatever that means,
and they've said, we choose who we work with, and
it feels like a fairly basic artistic freedom to be
able to do so. So basically, look at it here.
A smaller band, Meth, have been removed from a tour
because of their alignment with a label that they are
actually no longer on, but Dragons some like have said like,
while I don't know Proshetic are still selling, I guess
profiting from it. They're very hard line essentially about nothing
to do with anything that will make Prosthetic Records money.
And I think what we can look at here is
it feels like one of the most childish beefs between
I don't know bands that I can remember commenting on.
And what I look at it here is the weird
social media storm around it is. I think we are
at a time at the moment where not just do it,
but just in general people just want blood over kind
of like any fallout or any misdemeanor or anything. And
there's this weird thing that don't I can't quite get
on with of every time a band I don't know
it makes a move that maybe I don't agree with
or whatever, but there's this weird sense that people need
to kind of, like I don't know, project their morality
onto it and demand that bands take accountability for like
every single little thing, and like, yeah, to lay it out,
drag the sunlight don't come off well here. I feel
for the band Meth very very strongly. There are undoubtedly
the kind of victims in this scenario. If Dragons somebody
wanted to not have anything to do with pro Setic Records,
which is entirely there as they say they're they're they're
kind of prerogative, then there must have been a better
option than allowing Meth on the tour to begin with,
only to kick them off after a certain amount of
financial sync and gone into it or whatever. But I'm
kind of just content to let these bands you know,
and labels or whatever sort out themselves rather than what
I have seen in the past week, which is like
a huge amount of again social media firestorm around this
kind of thing, when I don't need a band to
take I don't know, like face the eye of their
entire you know, audience every single time there is some
inter band politics or anything like this going on. Am
I alone there.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I was kind of like it was
like most people kicking off out this, you're still going
to go to that tour, aren't you? Like lets people,
They're still probably going to go and watch Draggling the
Sun out on this tour there? Do you know kind
of like or high grounding it. I mean, I think
it's a bit of a shitty thing for the bands
to do. I think bands do shitty thing again, it's
it's kind of scummy.
Speaker 3: It's not the worst thing band could ever do.
Speaker 2: It's just petty and unfortunate for Metho have kind of
found themselves caught in the crossfires when they've done nothing
really wrong. They're just kind of caught in a wider,
sort of wider issue and they've become casualties of that.
Speaker 3: That sucks.
Speaker 2: That sucks for them, And I do think there might
there must have been a way. There should have been
a way around it, whether there was an oversighting to
begin with when they were inviting onto the tour and
not realizing they had this connection. If they were still
signed for a fake i'd almost get the decision more
and I think they almost might.
Speaker 3: But because of a pass sociation is a bit odd,
But at the.
Speaker 2: Same time, I just I had no energy to kind
of like get some moral hand ringing going on and
and be outraged by this cause I was like, Okay, fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they say there was an oversight, I think
what I would probably assume there is that they brought
methon no knowing that they were no longer on the label.
But they have then discovered that Prosthetics somehow, again I
don't have what the figures are here are but Prosthetics
somehow is still gaining some kind of financial advantage from
Meth and their activities and therefore dragged to some light,
have you know, drawn the line there? And they are
very hardline about this stuff. And they are a band who,
like you know, they are a difficult Yeah, they always have,
that's the whole thing with them. And they are they
are a band who don't do anything unless they are
kind of, you know, wanting to do so, so in
a weird way, I'm not surprised that this has happened.
And yeah, like they don't come off well and it
is petty, and I really do feel for Meth. And
I think if you are you know, if you are
a Meth fan, then now is probably the time to
go and you know, pick up some merch and and
buy a shirt, because I'm sure that you know, they
would kind of need whatever's. You know. Blowback is kind
of coming from this, and I really do feel for
them in that regard. But I also think we live
in an era because of social media and comments and
so on, where any weird little like walking out of
line at one moment is then uses a stick to
kind of beat a band with and will haunt a
band forever and ever. And I think about I don't know,
all the various band specials we've done and stuff, and
whatever shit Black Sabbath might have done in nineteen ninety
one or whatever getting rid of Tony Martin or whatever,
if that had happened today, then that would fucking haunt
them in the comment sections, you know, for the rest
of time. And so it is. It is petty, and
it is unfortunate. And yeah, I mean what Dragon and the
Sun might have done morally here I don't agree with, essentially,
but over something of such a kind of scale. Again,
I don't demand that every band that I like on
these kind of matters, I don't know, take some kind
of accountability from their audience. I know, I don't know,
as said, you know, you know, anyone from the band
Meth or whatever, like, you know, it's really unfortunate and
we really hope that, you know, you can kind of
make the best of that. But there you go. That's
the dragon the sunlight situation. Let's talk a little bit
about live news and stuff that is happening and going ahead.
And the third thing I want to throw in here
is actually just a little update on something we spoken
about before. Eistein Kills and their UK taught with Creeper
and the Devil was Prada that is coming up at
the end of this year in the UK. I noticed
here that the Manchester date, which was due to take
place at the Victoria Warehouse, has been upgraded due to
phenomenal demand to the co Op Live Arena, which is
the brand new arena that has just opened here not
long ago. I've been to precisely one show there so far.
I saw Slipknot there at the end of last year.
And it is the biggest arena here. I believe I'm
right saying it's one of the biggest arenas in the country.
It's talking, we're talking.
Speaker 2: Two It's a lot that those those lines.
Speaker 1: It's our equivalent here. But again the kind of there's
the what previously was to kind of the Manchester arena
is more sort of a Wembley equivalent. This one they've
opened up much by again kind of O two size
and I stand kills upgrading Victoria Warehouse, which is about
three to four thousand. That's an upgrade of literally about
twenty thousand. I've never seen an upgrade like it.
Speaker 2: The day the tickets went out and I saw that,
like Manster had sold out on the Friday when the
tickets when general so was like, oh damn that that
is a fast movement from Manchester. Yeah, so there's a
demand like yeah, and will.
Speaker 1: They settle out the co oply, I'd be fucking surprised, given,
you know, an upgrade of twenty thousand, As said, who
knows how full that arena will be come December, whether
they're to court a bit soft or whatever. But the
fact that they would make the move at all obviously
suggests a certain amount of confidence. And I do think
it's noteworthy. You know, we were commenting like, oh, you
know they're playing They're playing Wembley Arena, aren't they?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of comment when bands like
you know on Sleep Token or whoever have gone and
played the two in places like that. We've been like, Wow,
that's a real you know, that's almost like a cementing
of them as a one of our larger bands. I
see a band upgrading the Victoria warehow to the fucking
co Op live? And I go Are Eceneine Kills have
they in the last couple of years? You know, a
few years now since they released the album? Are we
seeing them actually become one of our new megabands in
the kind of the ilk of Again, spirit Boxers, sleep Tokens, whatever,
who are have kind of come up in the last
few years. Are Icenine Kills actually going to be joining
them off the back of an announcement like that?
Speaker 4: I love it because I'd love one more of the
level of band that I like. This is so mad,
like I kind of I don't really know how to
compartmentalize it in my mind. It doesn't feel real like
they're playing the Hydro in Glasgow. How I don't wander
like I love Icenine Kills. I'm chuffed to bits for them.
How what's happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I do I feel a bit better
about you know, Creeper Main support come Up Live than
I do Creeper Main Sport at Victoria Warehouse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is mad, Like Sleep Talking are
a new arena band and they're headlining Downlold. First of all,
are ice nine kills in the pipeline to one day
be a Downlold headliner? Like what does this mean?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if you see them as like
a second stage headliner in like next year or so. Now,
if if this tour does succeed like and again, like
I I welcome it. I know I rag on about
thinking of that. I think it was the one of
those bands who have kind of endeared themselves to me
because of like I mean, they are just so much
more interesting as a creative prospect than all of those
other bands. So what, I welcome them being one of
the ones to take a stab at being massive because
there is again, they are an odd band. They're not
like dumbed down kind of like gent riff stock like
metcle band that they have so many other weird things
going on will do them that probably shouldn't make them massive,
but it's connected and again like again, We're kind of
waiting to see if the proves in the pudding is
as to whether this kind of like stab at Arenas
does genuine work out for them, But I hope it does.
I would like be quite happy to see a band
as kind of like just like for a medical band
who are just a little bit like out there eisnein
Kills are as they have been on the last one
of records to get massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe this is just what happens when
you put up the clown on your your tour poster
and you know they've made some connection there, and maybe
there's just an army of terrifier fans who are getting
in there, which does I think is a prominent factor
in their success, to be honest, but again I'm fond
of the last you know, two icenein Kills albums. But
I put this forward more objectively really of just like
that is a mad upgrade. And I will be as
said if this does, I know, represent a kind of
shift in you know, the level they are at and
whether they are joining the conversation of those real like
you know, huge bands that we have. I'll be watching
you know, this particular date and and how it goes
with with with great curiosity.
Speaker 4: I will say as well, when I saw them like
bottom of a three band bill supporting Metallica in the stadium,
they fit like the songs filled the stadium. Their personalities,
their stage presents, it works. They work on the big stage.
So like I have full confidence that like maybe they've
just willed this into existence by just being that good
on a big stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on some stuff that has been announced
this week in terms of new tours. One, I know
many people this thing will be very excited about. Spanish
Love Songs have announced a European and UK tour and
the support comes from the Dirty Nil Callie Massey, who
I'm not familiar with, and Sincere Engineer, who I believe
you know I've seen before kind of supporting in similar Yeah,
those those kind of bands Spanish Love Songs with Dirty
Nil is you know, if you are in the kind
of alt rock contingent of the T and M listenership,
that's that's a dream, double, isn't it? For mostly lot, it's.
Speaker 2: About as good as when you had the Men singers
and the Spanish Love Songs like it or like popping
the meal, like when these bands like Link Up. I mean,
I'm obviously seeing this as part of the whole common
threads thing that's going on around.
Speaker 3: It, all right, because this is just part of that.
Speaker 2: This is like all of these bands are on that
lineup that have just kind of like splintered off and
added their own headline tour of other areas around it.
So I'll be seeing that as part of a massive,
curated for me exclusively line up. But yeah, this is like,
how are you not gonna have an amazing time with
Spanish love Songs and the Dirty Meil and Sincenia Engineer,
who are great.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's happening in October elsewhere Newfound Glory.
I didn't realize they'd a been away for this long,
and I guess it maybe makes sense, but I feel
like they're playing some pretty large venues for them as well.
Newfound Glory are back for their first UK headline tour
in eight years, following they're playing Slam Dunk, aren't they?
But then they're coming back in October and they're playing
you know, the Victoria, where as a Manchester They're playing
Bricks and Academy in London, various venues around Glasgow not
in the eam, et cetera. And they're bringing real friends
and Coyo along with them, so you know, I guess
a solid pop punk bill Mark, Newfound Glory, one of
your favorite bands, you're going along, I'm sure, But you know,
is this a surprise to see them? I don't know.
Maybe it's the fact they've been away for what feels
like a longer time than they'd normally be away.
Speaker 4: We're in an error where any band that has any
sort of nostalgic value just gets bigger. Yeah, good, Charlotte
just got bigger, simple plan when they came back, Like yeah,
some forty one's final tour was in an arena like
it was an arena tour. We're just in an era
where if a band doesn't go away at some point,
people will miss them enough that they will become really
big again. And yeah, it's mad because the last tour
it was a proper like nostalgia tour, like they were
doing a Catalysts and Sticks and Stones or the debut
in full different dates at or I went to multiple
dates because I wanted to see all the all the songs.
But that wasn't as big as that, and that was
like a clear Oh we're playing We're playing all the ones,
you know, So it is interesting that Yeah, maybe it
is just not being around for eight years makes people.
I mean, who knows, maybe they'll sell terribly, but they
won't if I have anything to do with it.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's actually it's the my friends over
you interest rate just ticking up gradually over the years,
and there you have it. Over in America, Slayer I
have announced I didn't realize I weren't doing anymore this year,
but they've announced their only North American headline show in
North America. Obviously we have got them, you know, in
is it July when they're doing the massive show in
London with a huge ob bill. I'm at a stage
with these shows where I'm just curious to look at
the posters, like, oh, that's a good selection of bands
on each one. And their show in Pennsylvania has a
support bill of Knocked Loose, Suicidal Tendencies, Power Trip, the
Cavalera is doing a Chaos a D set and Exodus
doing a Bonded by a Blood set. Maybe the fact
that Exus are on first because Gary Holt is obviously
pulling double duty, and I feel like you know, knocked
Loose getting the main support is I think, you know,
I'll ask you about that sum in the second, but
I think that almost overshadows just the bottom there Exodus
Bonded by Blood set and Cavalerra Kosad set and then
power Trip as well for a fucking Slayer day before
you get to the main support, that's a dream.
Speaker 2: That the Cavalier like Tuxtingles is like, that's like second
from bottom. And again I know in London we've got
Hate Breed a second, so again these are stacked shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if we had in London, if we had
the Bonded by Blood and KOCD, I might have just
had to throw my money at it anyway, because them's
good albums, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think I think these are cool lineups.
Speaker 2: And then again like not Loose as the main sport,
that does feel like a like a huge stamp of
approval for that band there, They're completely this is putting
them in front of the firing squad of Slayer. You know,
these kind of that legendary thing or can you can
you play main sport to Slayer?
Speaker 3: Can you can you handle that crowd?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: So like that I think is a real kind of
like moment for not Blues. So yeah, I think this
is a massive lineup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got another UK band who have called it
Quips this past week. This time it comes from the Nightmares,
who I feel like only recently, you know, we're releasing
some stuff. They put a little statement basically saying, you know,
collectively they've decided to go on hiatus. The Nightmares. I
think I saw them once a pouring creeper. They were
never a band who like really you know, did it
for me in any significant way. But I know that again,
you know, being a UK band who appeared in some
slot and stuff like that around there, I know there
will be some people there who are fans. Sam. Do
you ever catch the Nightmares with again with Creeper or
something like that?
Speaker 2: Court with Creeper, I think I caught them with kids
in glass houses they rocked up on like say support.
They were a very kind of like for a couple
of years, a popular support choice.
Speaker 3: Again, never disliked them, never really cared for them.
Speaker 2: But again, as you say, like them being a UK
bander of this time, there will be people who probably
were finding them as like quite a sort of like
formative band or the band they kind of forged a
little bit of a connection with through like these various
supports lots, So I guess, I mean it's a shame
always when like bands kind of like call it quits
quite early on in their sort of like run.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess that's what surprised me because I did't
feel like we're only talking about them doing something very
very recently. But you know, there you go an acknowledgement
of the nightmares also calling it a day, and then
our final story is one I don't actually want to
make quips or jokes about this because it is you know,
it's very serious and this is going to have a
major effect on these people lives. But it's just a
fucking crazy headline, isn't it. Scotch The basis from Weezer
his wife was shot by police officers during a kind
of chase in Los Angeles, and I think it's worth
noting not deceased has since been booked for attempted murder
because apparently she came out of her house with a gun,
shooting at the suspects that the police were also chasing.
And whatever has gone on here again, like you know,
you can make your your weezer quips. Many people have.
It's all over the internet. I don't want to stoop
to that level right now. But I didn't see that coming.
I didn't say Scott Schreiner appearing in the news because
his wife was shot in a police shoot outcoming, that's
that's a that's a real first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was one that was just kind of like
I was really I was just not sure how to process.
Speaker 3: And again I did make you know, one little in
the in the distric, but it was.
Speaker 2: Also like this is this is insane when you kind
of readers like so they were like place it like
on a man hunt for these three guys, and then
so I was shooting at them from her house or
something and then getting and it was kind of like
why is America.
Speaker 3: Like it kind of just like America behave? Was kind
of my main takeaway.
Speaker 4: From there, you know, that gift of Daniel Travito being like,
so anyway I just started blasting.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine being the police and discovering that the
woman who emerged from their house shooting who you then
you know, kind of took down yourself, then finding out
later that it's the basis from Wisa's why Jesus Christ
no idea, but yeah, that happened. I suppose let's bring
in some questions for this episode of hype Blast. It's
always good when we got you know, Mark here as well,
and there's Sam and Mark and the two of you
to bounce off of to do some questions. And as said,
you know, we are going to loop background to the
Unit six discussion a little bit for this one because
Matthew Brown is going to kick us off and he
asks how soon do you think it will be until
they come back? This is the first of a two
prong question, but let's start with that. I suppose, and
we had, you know, a couple of comments underneath it,
someone saying eighteen months before they headline to reunite to
headline slam Dunk. Someone said twenty twenty nine for the
Take Off your Colours anniversary. Let's ask this. I suppose, Hey,
do you think they'll come back and be how long
do you give it?
Speaker 4: It's gotta be the amount of fucking shows they played.
It'd be really cheeky if they came back at all,
but especially like sub five years.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, even like five years for the amount of
the time that we endured them and then the amount
that they milked the farewell to even five years for
me would be like you again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'd love when bands break up and
just stay broken up, So I would rather than never
came back. Fuck knows. We live in the culture now
where breaking up and getting back together is almost just
part of what happens. It's just part of being in
a band, is just part of the career. So genuinely,
who fuck knows they could be back next week.
Speaker 3: I just fit there, so I didn't catch all you said.
Speaker 2: I think if they've got to come back, the earliest
it will be is twenty twenty eight, for the tenth
anniversary of Take Off Your Colors. That will be the
earliest of it's going to happen. I want to give
them the benefit of the down said they're not going
to do it.
Speaker 1: I think Josh has bands day. No.
Speaker 2: I just I'm a believer. And here's the thing, right
I look up. If they do come back, of course
I'm going to fucking go.
Speaker 3: So I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't, like you know, keep mainting any credibility here,
So like I will say, slammed Unk twenty twenty eight,
Take off your colors in full again and I'll go
see it and I'll have the best time again. There
you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the second part of the Unit six question
was how important, if at all, do you think a
part they played as a gateway band for more guitar driven,
slash heavier bands. They certainly played a fair role for
me getting too rock alternative music. The guest vocals by
Olie and On Sinn has Never Sleeped played the part
in turning my ears to bands with screams, et cetera.
So this is again this is the thing with you
means I frequently, as I did earlier, said that their
influence in terms of the kinds of bands that were
getting popular in the UK was a negative one. But
I do acknowledge there is a flip side to that,
which is exactly what has been laid out here. So
as people who were maybe I don't know, more part
of that phenomenon, what do you think.
Speaker 2: I do think they were like a pivotal gateway band,
because what is me like two thousand and eight when
I'm getting into rock music, Like I've discovered all the
American bands at this point, you know, I've heard Paramore,
I've heard Michael wical romance. There was nothing kind of
going on in the UK apart from you know, like
maybe a SA band. We don't really talk about it
anymore for very obvious reasons. So when there was kind
of like this hot new kind of thing coming from
the UK, which was a free pronged the sort of
bringing the horizon and she cry knew me at six
and they were like the kind of the UK vanguard
of like cool. You know, America's doing all of this
their thing with like alternate music. Well here's the UK
representation of kind of like the dance sort of metal thing,
the pure metal core and then pop punk and and
it was those kind of like those three together were
like genuinely pivotal in kind of like selling and getting
me more invested in rock music a hole not just
to sound like and so that was like, and I'm
sure people were getting into them a bit later when
they're hearing Bite my Tongue and Timers money on Sinces
Never Sleep, and they hear Winston McCall come in for
that break and at the end of time is money.
If that got someone to check out Parkway Drive, that
alone justifies the existence of New Me at six for me,
like if they got one more person to check out
Parkway Drive because Winston McCord did a guest spot. I
think that they they had more positive impact than negative impact.
I think that they're they're they're positive impact on getting
people into heavy music diminishes once you get past twenty fourteen,
Like like I think, if you we're getting to then
you're not then gonna go and discover unless you are,
like again hearing bite my tongue and at that point
the heavy bands probably would get into from them is
Bring with Horizon or.
Speaker 3: Maybe into Chikari.
Speaker 2: But I do think if you're there in the earlier years,
they would have definitely opened the gates for some heavier,
more interesting bands.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I completely agreed like that three pronged like
brit Assault of Chicari, un at six and Bring the Horizon.
We have friends, We have lots of friends who are
like into extreme music. Now who heard you me at
six and then got into Enter Shikari and then got
into Bring with the Horizon and know like Olvera and
shit like that, Like I've seen it happen. It happened
to me, Like, yeah, I it's difficult because yeah, there
are Unit six have a lot of fans and the
thing they like is you me at six. But that
doesn't take away from the fact that you know, tons
of people would have heard jelse minds think alike and
then you know it never ends a few years later
and then graduated to better staff. The time is money,
like Winston feature. I know people who literally were like, oh, yeah,
that's what got me into metal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I again, I have to acknowledge that, and I
you know, I acknowledge that is true. And there are
many people out there who that is their story and
I respect that, and I don't take that away from them.
I will say, if you me at six weren't doing it,
I'm sure that someone else would have done it who
were maybe closer to the thing and did not have
the downside yea, and did not have the uh you know,
UNI at six not existing does not mean that all
those people who got into Parkway drive through that would
never have ever found it. And if you me at
six departed from that fucking you know, like that stranglehold
that they had, maybe other things could have gone around
and become part of that and we wouldn't have had
to wait so fucking long for the kind of UK
bands that we saw coming through more in the later
twenty tens to kind of like get a little bit
of something going on. But I acknowledge that objectively, there
are lots of people out there who found their way
in via those things that we were talking about. So yeah,
that's the kind of I guess the wrap up for
U me at six, Tom Reid asks one of our
kind of our you know, sometimes we just have like
a nerd question, Tom Reid, I say that lovingly, says,
what's your favorite band who only made two albums and
then called it quits. I was looking the other day,
and most bands need to have either one or three
plus having two sceness are for some reason. And I guess,
you know, we've asked before about the best one album wonders,
and I guess, you know, I do think about maybe
bands who made like three records and then stopped or whatever.
But for some reason, two has been positioned here as
a kind of a difficult number. And I thought about
it and I thought, well, maybe it is, And then
I looked and there's actually a whole ton that I've
you come up with and have come to mind. But
I'll throw to you guys best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a I have a few. I'll just
quickly at the start of this throughout two pop punk ones,
there was a band from like fifteen years ago called
This Time Next Year who just sounded like Newfound Glory,
and they had two albums that sounded like Newfund Glory
and I like them a lot and me versus zero.
Speaker 2: Because there is like an EP that sometimes is classed
as an album, but I would count as an EP
or a demo and I would only have two albums. But
like some people will count that first thing as an album.
Speaker 4: That thing's like seventeen minutes long.
Speaker 2: I'm not fucking like twenty minutes. But I think a
bunch of songs that were we used on days of
shape our lives. But I think we are a definite shout.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even though one of the albums is good, like
they count just because it's pretty good, Like, yeah, I
haven't heard it so long, I should go back to it, really,
but yeah, this takes me back to my favorite days.
The UK hard core scene of the early twenty tens
were bands like Heights and you know all those guys Landscapes.
But my answer my favorite band who only have two
an albums.
Speaker 1: The Ghost of one Thousand just yeah, yeah, I adore.
Speaker 4: Like and sort of more in the fact that they
never had more albums because the debut this is where
the fight begins as a great scrappy like ferocious hardcore assault,
but new hopes and new demonstrations. The second record basically
one of my favorite albums of all time. Now, hell
of like they were experimenting. I don't want to say
there was like an ac DC esque stomp swaggered to them,
but there was more hard rock, there was more rock
and roll. They were really leaning into a Ghost of
a Thousand sound. And then they split up and I
wish we got more Ghost of one Thousand records and
I think about that every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was strong for this a bit
and then I went, oh, actually, the UK and the
two thousands, there was loads of bands I fucking love
to release two albums and called it quits. Mark has
already mentioned a couple of them. You mentioned Heights Landscapes
are one. I really want to shout. I fucking love
those two Landscapes albums as the kind of like the
sad boy like really emotive lord Cardgo thing. I think
Landscapes were fucking brilliant. The three that really spung to
mind are kind of like UK bands that like released
two albums one of them might be coming back.
Speaker 1: But Marmosettes, Yeah, yeah, I wonder whether they were counting
right now, but yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm going to mention them now as I kind of
like put them in there.
Speaker 2: But then the two that, like, I had two albums
that are both great and they called it quits, Black
Peaks and Milk Teeth.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Milton, I was going to throw at Ithaca
as well. Yeah, no, that's too decent, like, but yeah,
two for some reason feels like the curse number for
all those UK bands.
Speaker 2: This was it is like, is it like for someone
like an amazing debut and then a follow up that
was like really good like the case of Milk Teeth
right while child fucking like near Flawles's debut album and
then the self titled really Good came out in the
middle of COVID when it was just impossible for them
to support it and it took a while to get
it out because of various issues going on with that band,
so it kind of just they had to kind of
peter out. Black Peaks you know, like, yeah, one of
the greatest what ifs, And there was another one that
did being to mind as kind of like I don't
think I could say that one of my favorites because
I've only got into them in like recent years, but
I think they probably do have a shout of.
Speaker 3: Being one of the best, and I'm sure probably Perry
and You will mention them. But acid Bath, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were the one that kind of they were like
the one that broke the seal for me where I
was like, wow, who is it? And I went, oh, fuck,
acid Bath, like the one who are literally everywhere at
the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing is I was kind of like
I was, I don't know if I could say that
one of my favorites, because again, they are a new
kind of like interest me and I have listened to
that second album good like weird album, but like, like
acid Bath definitely think had had shout at them.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, acid Bath were the one where I was like, yeah,
what They almost feel like a definitive answer because they
are ever at the moment. I think both of those
they're one where they have two albums and both albums
are fuckingation, Like we've done a lot on like kit
Stream Pops and stuff that Pagan Terrorism Tactics is amazing
as well. But then again, I want to thought about it,
and I thought, with a whole big list, and I'm
gonna cut say some things and you're gonna go oh,
of course Botch only released two albums. Yeah, like American
Novoso and We Are the Romans. Warning only have two albums.
They are a case where the second one, which the
one they're playing for the Damnation Watch from a Distance,
does kind of overshadow the first one significantly. But in
terms of like the all time and great bands who
only released two albums, I think Warning are in there. Carnival,
the Pete Steel's pre type of negative crossover thrash band,
absolutely like really seminal band and love those two Carnival records,
Iron Monkey og lineup, which I think is kind of
there's a bunch of bands who have like released two
and then come back or something and there's only two
that people actually like listen to. So like skid Row
for example, Like there's two skid Row albums, you know
what I mean? Like bands who you know, made two
and then dipped for ages and then came back. But
it's the two which the legend are built on. There's
like American football, my Blood, Valentine Possessed for the death
metal realm, and again some of my own like you know, favorites.
I guess we'll wait and see this, almost like Marmosettes,
where like, you know, maybe they'll make something. Power Trip
only have two albums of what you know. Power Trip
was another UK band. There's the post metal band light Bearer,
who were a really brilliant band and they only released
two records. Vain seemed to have fucked off for now,
but you know, Vain.
Speaker 2: Are coming back. I want to hold out, so I
didn't sat say Vain. So I was like, I'm sure
that they're just you know, too busy having successful fresh water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean if they only leave two albums,
then those are two of my favorite modern day albums. Yeah.
I was thinking this is this is maybe a cheety one,
but I like, does minor threat count if you take
like the first two seven inches as an album and
then out of Step as an album. I know it's tenuous,
but that's how I think about it. I can have
Big Black, who released two albums songs about fucking is
the second and final album, Elliott in the T and
M host group chatches before brought up the mother of
all obvious ones, which is Joy Division, and it's like, yeah,
of course, fucking Joy Division only have two albums and
completely seminal band sam, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned it.
Don't have Heart only have two albums?
Speaker 3: Okay, they do only have two albums. Yeah, no again,
like that, like I got, I got so hung up
with like the UK.
Speaker 2: Have Heart.
Speaker 3: I'm a fucking massive Like this is one of these questions.
Speaker 2: I was just kind of going like a tangent and
then kind of get tunnel vision beyond that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I one, I don't again. I don't
know if it counts or not. The Devil's Blood only
completed two albums, and there's a third record that is
basically like posthumous demos, and I don't know if that
entirely counts as like a completed studio album or not.
I think in terms of my favorite of these, if
I'm allowed the Devil's Blood off the back of their
two like fully completed albums, I'll say them. If not,
then it would probably be either Acid Bath or Warning.
Speaker 2: I think you have Heart now that you've mentioned it,
like that would be where my kind of like true
love for the band of two albums lies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but certainly you know in terms of like really
seminal bands who like change shit, you know, Acid, Bath,
Botch Warning, Carnivore, even a lot of quite actually you
know seminal bands. Are you releasing those two and then
then dip in? Jonathan Gordon asks this, I'm gonna just
put this one to you right now. One of the
following has to be raised from existence completely tools Lateralis,
Slipknots Self Tuttled Debut, Ragings Machines, Self Tittle Debut, or
Metallica's Master of Puppets. I'm gonna swap out Master of
Puppets because it's of like a completely different era to
those other ones, and none of us are deleted Master
of Puppets. That's been real. We're not stupid. So I'm
gonna swap in let's say, like White Pony or and
they're like Toxicity or something like something from that same
kind of you know, nineties to very early naughties era.
So Lateralis, Slip Knot, Ragings, Machine, White Pony, Toxicity. Which
of those albums are use zapping from the face of
the Earth tall.
Speaker 4: Next, Yeah, that's well's oh my god easy, Sorry losers,
but like we've upset the geeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam, if you're sort of iffy on system right, Yeah,
Like if I was to introduce Toxicity, how does that
change the things?
Speaker 2: No, Toxicity, the title track is a banger and you know,
like chop like I I like, yeah, taller for nerds. Okay,
I'm trying, but no, I jally still probably I would
still say Laterality is my least favorite of that bunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll speak for the nerds. Obviously, all of
these albums I would say are complete, you know, seminal classics.
I do love Lateralis. I'm definitely you know, my favorite
out of them is Sweptnot so I'm gonna park that
I'm not deleting that one. For me, I've muddled myself
by actually introducing like Toxicity and White Pony, particularly because
neither of those are actually my favorite record from those bands.
So uh, it would I think almost between those it
does become differ. And when I say Zach from Existence,
I'm counting kind of influence and legacy as well. And
there's an awful lot of great music that I love
that is influenced by a tool. I think that actually
might be less music that I think is really really
valuable that is influenced by death tones. Even What's what
about Rage? I don't know, Like what about the last thing?
Come on, well, I'm talking about you know again, Like
if they had never existed, what would the it's up
for debate.
Speaker 3: I think I've never had limb Biscuit I had never existed.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would rather trade rap metal as a whole away
than I don't know, lose the great tool influence music
that I do, I don't know it terms of my
least fair album here, Okay, I'm gonna remove White Pony
Toxic from the converstion because I can have muthered myself,
but LEAs from the free that being put here, it
would come down to Lateralis or the Rage album for
me in terms of again, bands who wouldn't exist without it.
Maybe I do Rage, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just the damage that Tom Morello
has done to Like, that's true, public conscious opinion of him.
Speaker 1: That's true. But you know, Zach de Larroca is cool,
and he does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I mean of those ones that Rage
album I listened to like once a week. I'm not
getting rid of that for anything, even if it down
the line led to the Blackout or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1: Like, that's more reason for you to keep it, surely.
I mean, I'm yeah, Rage and later Alis and like
White Pony for that matter, Antoxicsity there, they're not albums
that listen too often. I think that they're albums that
I you know, they're they're tens, you know, they're they're
they're pivotal classics. But I only kind of spin them
once in a blue moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so that does make it a little bit more
difficult for me just right now, off the top of
my head, got in states at this right second, I
will say Rage, and it was obviously said said with
no hate in my heart because it's rage against the machine.
But but there you go.
Speaker 4: I do like that it came down to the chads.
You meant, six fans versus the Virgin Tool fan.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the difficulty of the gun to the
head question. And then Alex Atherton also ask a broad
gun to the head question, who is the best metal
solo artist of all time, Well, we obviously know it
comes down to Bruce Dickins and or Ian Gillen. But
if we remove those two giants from the question, like
do is is that?
Speaker 2: Does that count as a solo artist or like, like
because work out what counts as a metal solo artists
because they all have and sort of stuff like that
with them.
Speaker 1: Well, it's difficult because my like gut response is King Diamond.
And then you would also throw out like Ozzy Osbourne
for example. Yeah, and I think all of those cases,
you know, Ossie, King Diamond, do o they are it's
almost like their their bands that hold the artist's name
rather than a true solo like Ossie's not right in
the riffs.
Speaker 2: This is what I was trying to work out, like
what counts as a solo metal artist because ever counting
it it's de o, Like we've explained why recently, like
like that deal is the greatest ever. But I think
King Diamond is a very good shout. Otherwise, I was
struggling to think of any others that I would maybe
kind of give you out this because I just I'm
not a personally kind of goes to bat four solo
metal artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I mean, we'll let you contribute again, because
the ones that we've thrown out around there, I'll come
back to them and which one I think is better
in a minute. But I will say in terms of
like a true solo artist, not just a kind of
artist whose name is the flagship, but someone who actually
does it all himself. This is where Devin Townsend takes
the lead.
Speaker 2: That is a very good shout like in terms of
like a true.
Speaker 1: Solo artist, I think you probably have to give a
nod to him.
Speaker 2: I think that is the correct answer when you when
you actually look at the question properly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I adore Ozzie Osborne and solar work so much
like so that's immediately when my brain went and I'm
just yeah, you're right, Randy Rhodes or Zach Wilde or
Jaki Lee or as important to that as Ozzie himself.
So no thinking like Rob Zombie.
Speaker 1: I guess you know problem of me. I think we'll
be in terms of you know, you've got a couple
of absolute classics, and I think he's generally very consistent
and likable. I wouldn't have him in contention with the
number one spot, but I would put him in the
higher echelons of all time.
Speaker 4: You gotta think Devin. You gotta think off of Kiss,
you know, the big ones.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I again in terms of like a true like
it actually is entirely his vision. I think it obviously
has to be Devin in terms of just let's just
widen it, as we said to you, more general solo careers,
as we kind of understand that even if it's not
necessarily that guy right in all the music or whatever.
My my, I go back to my gut and think
which is King Diamond, because you know I loved o solo.
I love Ozzie solo. I don't think either of those
guys come close to King Diamond's solo work creatively, the
amount like King Diamond's fifth best album solo not even
include Mess with Fate is as good as Ossie's best
No like that. That run of records from the eighties
to the early nineties is staggeringly good, every single one
fucking rules. He has way more great albums than like
Ossie Ordo solo, both of whom I obviously love and
obviously you know their work is high. But you know,
Abigail and them and the I and so on. I
think probably are my favorites in contention of what we're
talking about here, and there's also more of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. Can I change my answer?
And can I say midnight?
Speaker 1: That's an interesting point, yeah, because I guess well, then
we then he starts basically including all like one man
can say, ishn't That's what I was like, could you
say like his sort of solo workers. I can't believe
I didn't think of that, considering he's like my favorite,
he's a genius.
Speaker 2: Like I was gonna like, there's actually way more than
the unison to kind of think again this one again
tunnel vision on these questions, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it terms what I was saying about Devin Townsen.
I think Issan is one of the few. Then who
would you know drive and to that realm, I'm gonna
stick with my answer King Diamond, just because I love
those records. But in terms of a true solo artist,
Ishan and Devin Town's end certainly heavily heavy contenders. So
there's a fun little question section. Let's as we begin
to wind this down. First of all, I've got a
very significant announcement for the T and M patrons out
there because before you know, we enter the summer when
we have some other different specials and stuff planned out.
We have We've just finished our Black Saber Special. We
just finished our album club Pack that kind of epilogued
the Black Cyber Special with the Heaven and Hell album.
But we have another band special that we are going
to cram in here before summer hits. And seeing as
right now, not this week actually, but most weeks, it
seems to be the thing that on the release round
up we get a little ep from a metalcore band
and we go, oh, this is just a band doing that,
isn't it. And it happens every single fucking time, And
there's millions of them out there, and the band themselves
right now seem to be, you know, kind of returning
creatively for the first time in you know, since they
were first around. We thought that now is the only
time really to do a poison the well band special
on that's not metal. We are gonna be giving maybe
the most pivotal metal core band. So it's up there.
It's a kind of conversation. We're gonna gonna have the
full band special treatment. They don't have a lot of albums,
but there will be you know, there's gonna be a
two part special where we go into everything they did
in depth. And these two metal core warriors that I
have here opposite me are gonna be the voices you
hear on that because you are just gnashing your teeth,
chomping the bit to do such a thing on poison. Well,
is that right?
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this. I mean again, like Part
one in particular, I mean, these are just two albums
that I listened to, like at the very least once
a month.
Speaker 1: I mean it's been quite nice, easy listening to the
two of them back to back just for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one where like these two albums, and
again like Part two might have some of the more
interesting discussions in the way, because it's the kind of
like less somebody is, the less talks about stuff that
can be more interesting to explore.
Speaker 3: But Part one, man, these two albums, Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just so much my life dedicated to listening
to these two albums anyway, And yeah, I can't wait.
I can't wait for part two because there's an album
in there that is so underrated. And I will talk
that you're off anyone about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will get to that and it will
be interesting. But first of all, I will say that
you know poison well. I think maybe are abund that
a lot of people know by name, but not necessarily
everyone has gone and done the dive, you know, and
you know, sometimes that's not a band specials. We go
for your big guns and sometimes we go into more
cult bands. So you probably may have heard of but
maybe you haven't. Actually, you know, done the learning, and
we aim to be a kind of helpful refource with
you know, bringing you into stuff like that. So if
you are someone out there who is interested in basically
anything that could be remotely called metalcore or metallic harcore
to have happened in the last twenty five years, but
you don't know a lot about poison the world, You're curious,
you don't know where to start. Hopefully this is a
special that will be of use to you, and it's
going to be again moving into an area that we
have covered band in the realm of poison the well
before we have. It's almost like fitting something like a
jigsaw piece into the timeline that we have picked up
you know, before and after or whatever. But giving a
very special, very seminal band the proper treatment that they
deserve ahead of them returned to the UK later this
year as well, So maybe now's the time to go
go and learn all the Poison the Well stuff so
you can go and see them live for the first time.
There you go. That is going to be coming. The
first part we're going to be doing this weekend. So
you know, in a few days time, if you go
over to patron dot com, slash that's not out there
will be the first part of a two part Poison
the Well special. All the real metal core heads out
there who love to talk about how what real metal
core is or whatever, this is your call to arms.
Poison the Well coming very very soon indeed. And let's
end this hyper blast with some releases for April the eleventh. Five.
First of all, there's a new Epocha album, the new
album Aspiral, the follow up to one of the best
symphonic metal albums of the last like fuck ten to
twenty years whatever. Both me and Sam we're huge on
the last one. Yeah, but I'm a big fan of
Epacha in general. Again, I don't necessarily have any expectations
for where this one m might sit in their canon
or whatever. But I'm going to go and find out
because Epacha are always worth Actually, you know of band
in that realm, they are the one who I think
are worth every time, kind of yeh, dipping your head
into soa leading wait there elsewhere we have Cabal with
Everything Rotts. This is one of the kind of newer
upcoming death core bands who I think we reviewed their
previous album, but they've got a followup to that one
out today. If you are wanting more of your kind
of like garage rock, garage punk kind of you know,
more alternative leaning stuff, we do have something for you
this week. Because there is the new Team Mortgage album
and a record called Devil Ultrasonic Dream. Then there is
a doom metal band with hints of kind of goth
and stuff like that that are you know, kind of
turning a few heads at the moment. They're called Mesa
and their album the spin is out Idle Airs. This
is kind of like I guess you call it like
a post metal thing, but it features some members of
Coalesce doing stuff. That record is called Life Is Violence.
Then you're you know, like Techi progy metal. There's Bent
Thoss with from Nothing, the Avant garde at least once
in the past. A black metal band in the Woods
who returned maybe ac decade ago. Now they are returning
with another album called Ultra. Then we have some more,
you know to a point black metal mouth Uss releasing Extinct,
and then a UK black metal punk dungeon nastiness thing.
Do you know the words I'm using and whether that
appeals to you or not. There's a bat called Final
Doths with a record called Under the Eternal Shadow. Then
in Death Grind there's a putrid, awful great man name
with obliterated life, Ryoji Shinamoto. This is a guy who's
in a Japanese metal band whose name escapes me right now,
but he's a guitarist and he's releasing an album called
Children of Bushido, which is, from what I can gather,
basically a Japanese style Children of Bodom covers album. So
it's a he's a shreddy man doing shreddy Children of
Bodom covers. But there's all like Japanese instruments and just
samuraiing the fuck out of some Children of Bodom song.
So if that sounds like it will be fun for you,
then there it is. Then we've got a few EPs.
There's one of the you know, kind of long running,
very obscure, weird heavy metal bands, the Lord Weird Auldfeg
releasing I guess what must be the first of a
series of VP's Traveler supplement one the Ephemeral Glades. There's
a kind of a strained oddity of a project, a
project called c b ZK which is like a Polish
kind of industrial hip hop with elements of black metal thing,
with an EP called D Book two. And then there
is Angel with two L's maybe Angel, but Angel with
releasing veiled by Woe and that is Esan's kid putting
his first release out and I think, as you can imagine,
he has access to some nice studios and stuff like that,
so it sounds pretty good actually for a first release.
But you know, there you go. If that's of interest
to you, neptism, nepotism, there we go. But there you
have it. That is the releases for this That was
a nice bumper edition of Hyperblasts as we mourned you
me at six and just nerded out over some other
stuff as well. So hope you enjoyed being here with us,
and we will return obviously shortly We have our Poison
the Well special coming to the Patreon over this weekend.
We will be back with reviews. Actually, I think we'll
be coming after that, where we're gonna be talking about
the new Death Heaven record, the new Scowl record, a
bunch of big stuff that's come out that is worth
talking about, and we will see you there for that,
So cheers everybody. Bye bye,