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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome to That's Not Metal. We are your

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weekly rock and heavy metal podcast, and welcome to another edition.

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Here we are of Hyperblasts, our weekly stitch you up

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in short fashion rock and metal news show where we

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let you know everything that's been going on in the

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last seven days. My name is Perrinheish with me. We've

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got Sam Digonon and Mark Sanderson here, and speaking of

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things that have gone down in the last seven days,

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we've actually got some pretty big, you know, exciting music

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news and stuff to talk about. But we're going to

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lead off, I suppose with something that was late to

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rest in the last seven days. And the reason that

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I can for the first stretch of this episode largely

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hand the reins over to Samon marqu here is something

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that how have you guys been feeling? Have you guys

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been you know, coming down from your experiences?

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't be sad that they're going to be

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sad that they were there to begin with.

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Speaker 3: That you've lived for it, this this epic twenty year.

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Speaker 2: Career that lived a liar is what you did. I

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mean maybe we did, but we are believing.

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Speaker 1: We're bereathed have some respect. Yeah, So as said, you know,

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news is have to get into later, but first of all,

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we are going to give the moments to U me

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at six who finally fucking I mean both in terms

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of like how long the tour was and just in

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general finally hung up. You know, their their their rocking shoes.

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This past week they ended their enormous Final Nights of

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six tour they were doing with was it Wembley Arena

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was the final?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I picked because that was kind of like

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the site of their initial biggest show, like that fight,

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the original finale of Sin, which was kind of like

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their crowning moment like so kind of coming full circle

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back to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this tour has been going on for It's

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like they did a hell of a lot of dates,

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which you know for the last Hurrah fair play, you know,

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go and play every single quarter of the country. So Mark,

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you saw them probably like two weeks ago or some shit. Now,

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I remember they played, you know in Liverpool like long

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before that. So they've been going for a while on this,

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but now we have the moment it's finally happened at

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the end where we can talk about collectively. You know,

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Sam was at the final Unit six show, but in general,

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the final tour, the final shows from a band who

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for better or for worse, are important to a lot

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of people and defined you know, a certain era in

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UK rock music, and you'll be shocked to know I

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didn't go to the last tour and I wasn't racing

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to get tickets or anything like that. And this is

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a moment where, yeah, like I think you me at

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six are a bad band. I think they're place in history.

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We've got questions later about you know, kind of their

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legacy and everything, but I think their place in history,

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at least in terms of you know, musical history, I

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think I'll say as a negative one and I'm glad

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they're gone, but you know, four but here we are

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for this show, and I think this is a moment

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where sometimes you can acknowledge an opponent when they part ways. Right.

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It's like when Steve Albini died and all those steely

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Dan fan accounts were like, well, salut sir, you gave

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us the enemy that we needed just for the purpose

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of being jolly this episode. That is the position that

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I will take, and I will hand over to Sam

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and Mark here, who are both at various stages have

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been in or New Me at six and I guess

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you know, tell us about the final shows and the

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emotions that were you know, in the air around them

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are what we're going through your heads.

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Speaker 2: I mean the thing for me is like I've seen

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New Me At six a lot over a fifteen year period.

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Ready in twenty ten, first time I saw them, first

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time I ever crowdsurfed. So I have, like say, I've

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been to a lot of UMIU six over a new

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period and do you know what that entire time, same

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five guys, Like this is one of the things like

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I do actually genuinely respect about un at six. Like

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aside from like the first two or so years of

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the band, whe had a different drummer the almost the

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vast majority of their career, the sort of major actor

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period of take off your colors through to the end,

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same five guys that entire time, and they have bowed

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out on their terms, and I think that is admirable.

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Look at so many their peers you've kind of just

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like fizzled away into nothing or got canceled or whatever.

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have seen their career out twenty years and they've gone,

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Wembley Arena on our terms, And I think that is

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actually a very admirable, admiral thing, and I know it

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made it.

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Speaker 3: Made this kind of like a very nice ending.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like a ah, you know they've gone before,

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their times are one of those. It was kind of

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like a you know what, You've had a bloody good

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run you me at six and now let's just happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big old celebration.

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Speaker 1: The closest that U be at six I remember being

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getting to being canceled is buying something with a fifty

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pound note and saying that the Amazons are the future

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of rock music, which in the scheme of things, it's

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kind of a sense of villainy that again we've been

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able to bounce off of rather than just having to

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show in gold Blood.

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Speaker 3: Is one of the greatest rock songs ever, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the bullshit they'd come out with. And

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I'd rather that than some other things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean I had seen you Me at six once

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before this, in twenty sixteen, shocking twenty sixteen, they played

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like four songs I knew and I hated it. It

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was bullshit, and then I loved it when they played Underdog.

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Speaker 2: So you saw them on Night People, you saw them

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at the like the like the lovest point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like Night People wasn't even out. They

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played like seven songs from it or some bullshit. But

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I have to get a ticket to this just because

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I don't know, just that recognition of the part of

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my life, for better or worse, they've played like this

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might be a shock to you and people listening. Sam

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and I like to take the piss a little, We

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like to exaggerate, maybe dabble in the little bit of irony,

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but for my entire life of being into rock music

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and really paying attention to rock music. So like I

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started buying Karrang in oh seven o eight, I'm like

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the prominent new band and to continue to be prominent

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in this country ever since. Like and I was a

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massive fan of the first two records in particular, and

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every year, like there's been a thing to make me

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enjoy you Me at six, whether it be the fifty

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pound note or that fucking What's It Like song which.

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Speaker 1: Is horrible the album cover.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I mean that might be their defining moment for me.

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Speaker 1: Literally we your phone lock screen for a little showing

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me the worst part about that.

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Speaker 4: It was my lock screen, and I would show people

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expecting them to be like, ah, you me at six,

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that's funny, and then having to explain, ihs you me

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at six? No, No, they haven't broken up yet. No,

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this is their new album, like so embarrassing, but like

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Jelo's mine's to think alike. I saw that when I

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was like twelve and I fell in love and just

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this the prospect of seeing that song line, it just

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it made me really emotional and it was like one

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of my favorite like gig going experiences that and lived

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a lie, Like I really really popped off, like surrendered

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by a lot of like, oh I don't really know

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this song. I was, what's this one? Is this to

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Royal Blood rip off one? And then the boys stay

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with Me and I'd be like, oh, yes, I'm ten again,

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like a note of mixed emotions.

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Speaker 2: I would say that the set list quite nicely mirrored

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their career in a way, and then it started off

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fucking unreal in wimbley, like when you're coming out of

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room to breathe lover a boys stay with Me? Saving

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for the bedroom take of your colors. As you're opening run,

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I was like, this is the greatest thing ever. This

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is the bet. There's no way this can go on.

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And then they pay given night people in a row

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and I was like, ah, you bet six. Like, I mean,

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I've seen numiss again do every kind of nostalgia bait,

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pandering show imaginable. I've seen them, you know, do the

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first three albums in full. I've seen them do that

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set when they did every single day released in like

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chronological order. So it was so funny how like the

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first eighty percent of that set or like seventy percent

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is like the crowd going absolute batshit.

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Speaker 3: And then it's nearly just gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Until until it ends on what's it like like because

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that was the last single at that moment in time.

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Like they were funny band they've done like, but for me,

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this file show just being a like, you know what,

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here's all of it, what's and all? Like we are

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touching on every album and you're gonna you know, like,

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there's gonna be stuff you love here, there's probably gonna

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be some stuff you don't like. But me, und six

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shows for me are an experience of I'm with some

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of my closest friends and we are just gonna dance

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and sing the entire time, and it's gonna be fucking great,

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even during the songs that we don't like, like fucking

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sucker Punch right, not a great song, But I was

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bouncing up and down with my mates during that one,

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having a grand old time.

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Speaker 3: And again the high points in this set, Lived a.

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Speaker 2: Lie I would like again like me Mark, I've like

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nailed our sol to this master of like lived Like

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being one of the best rock songs off the twenty tens,

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and I genuinely believe that like again, no irony in

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that one. There is irony in some of my likeness

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of liking of Unit six. Lived a Lie is a

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perfect song, like genuinely, and I almost teared up seeing.

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Speaker 3: That live for the final time. Yeah, I mean it

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was special.

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Speaker 4: I went with my friend who's like my friend Mel,

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who is just like traditional heavy metal in goth is

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their vibe. But we bond over the fact we liked

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the first few UNIIT six albums, and there's a very

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clear cut off of like Sinners Never Sleep. So when

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Lived a Light came on and my soul left my

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body Mel just looking at me like, what the fuck

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Speaker 1: What is happening?

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what the song is and Marcus

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Speaker 2: There was so much good like why quite like about

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before they seemed to put out special guests across the

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Speaker 1: Tour, you know, and Neil come out.

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Speaker 2: There's Sammon, Neila Brixton, like two nights before, and so

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doing big just no, you know.

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Speaker 3: What, just the five guys.

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Speaker 2: The big thing we did get is they paid the swarm,

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which fucking rips and I'm so glad they played that.

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the final show, Like Encore is like again, I still

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got the opening one. The encore is like the perfect

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Junior six encore of Bite my Tongue, reckless and underdog

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like again just absolute bangers. Like again, not not consistently

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amazing for out as a set list, because that's just

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Nu MEI and six. There's gonna be a couple of

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like stinkers in there. But again when I'm on of

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my mates, I'm kind of outside of the ward to

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have given night people like whatever. It was funny like

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take on the World, which again like a wet song

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that is for some reason, their biggest on that final

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time seeing it, the emotions were stirring in me.

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Speaker 3: I was kind of like, we will take on the world,

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Speaker 1: Even in your absence, you were reminiscing about all your

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favorite Vampire Diaries characters.

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Speaker 2: I watched Vampire Diaries, and my friends who watched the

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mod I was just crying her eyes.

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Speaker 3: I was just like like, I was.

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was just you know, the water got me. They played Fireworks,

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which is one of my favorite Union six ballads, and

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that was I was, Oh, the emotions of like me eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Year old, horrible sentence.

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Speaker 3: They've got some good balance pair and they've got some

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like but.

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Speaker 1: This is no like made me feel a bit sick inside.

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Speaker 2: I know this is breakup song of Umi at six,

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Josh like not knowing how he feels about like the

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woman he loved cheating on him. Like oh that that

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that took me back to you know, angsty like eighteen

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year old like listening to that, but I had a

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great time. I think if this is it for EMIT six,

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I think they have done the gentlemanly sort of way

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to go out. I like, have a respectable kind of

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like they never truly had a like complete disasters, but

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they had bad albums and they had slightly like kind

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of like Josh, don't go buy your album a fifty

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pound note from marketing thing.

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Speaker 3: But they again no cancer, more offenses.

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Speaker 2: No kind of like complete like live show kind of

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like disasters on stage just like and like I say,

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they ended a massive like sold out Wembley show that

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I've been to sold out shows at Wembley that have

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not felt nearly as.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like that. Every single possible ticket that they

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could as sold.

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Speaker 2: This show was used and it felt just like a

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very euphoric, celebratory ending.

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Speaker 3: So like you mean, six, I will miss you. If

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this is it good way.

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Speaker 4: To go out, Yeah, I think it was perfect because

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the good the songs I like, I love And also

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something else I love about Uni A six is how

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naff they are where like did he.

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Speaker 2: Do the more fit did he talk about you know,

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the commitments to the mosspit bit at one point where

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they were playing fucking like sucker punch, like yeah, look, even.

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Speaker 4: During fucking songs like Mixed Emotions, Josh Francesca would be

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doing like circle pit like hand motion as if that's

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gonna inside anything. You me at fucking six, And at

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one point he tried to do a like jump the

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fuck up.

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Speaker 2: During some punch. It's all that part of the set

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where you trying to get on and I was like,

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my knees ain't doing that, Josh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Like twenty percent of the crowd did it. It was

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so embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: A lot more people did it at Wembley, but like, okay,

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like Josh that they are such a funny band because

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they are like a bit cringe and like self serious sometimes,

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but again it always just made them more lovable to me,

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Like I will always that that endeared.

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Speaker 3: The cringe was endearing with you me at six, I

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don't care.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did Josh do the thing where he sort of

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lunges forward, arms back like he's the most powerful man.

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Speaker 2: In the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're pointing liquid confidence.

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Speaker 1: What are you're doing?

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Speaker 2: He cried at Wembley, because you know, like I think

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it was after fireworks, before taking the world and liquid

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confidence acoustic that like he got the emotions were there

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for him because the most.

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Speaker 4: Of emotional run the songs I've ever heard.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they covered I Miss You babbling when they too

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like impromptu.

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Speaker 2: That was a genuine impromptu kind of like cover that

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happens when he was doing kind of like an emotional

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kind of like talking about how they all met and

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how how Max used to have like sort of the

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Tom DeLong and I Miss You video hair, and so they.

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Speaker 3: Started covering it and it was like great, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I am glad they're gone, right, the villain like,

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this is what I think, that there are things that

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I will miss and things that I won't because fundamentally,

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what I've always said about Uni at six is that

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they were the one of that crop of some of

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the most wet, boring bands to have ever kind of

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collectively become buzzy as a kind of movement, you know,

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the early twenty tens Umi at six top man core

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thing that was going on in the uk Uni at six.

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The reason they particularly kind of reserved for so much

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aya is that they were the one that wouldn't go away,

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and the other ones frequently have gone away and then

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come back, right, and you know, maybe Unit six will,

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but UNI at six were like the dinosaur that wouldn't

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die essentially, and I do see there, you know, after

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fifteen years or whatever, they're they're you know, moving on

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as almost like, can we finally put that era to

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bed now? Right, like the biggest one, the one that

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wouldn't die? Are moving on? Can we finally park that era? Yeah? Yeah,

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can we park that in the past? And I will

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not miss every two years, I do know, being fed

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a reason that people think I should care about U

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year six of every couple of years. No, this album

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is the best one in a while. We promise this album.

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This album serious. The last album was the best one

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in a while, and it was at least ninety percent

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total dogshit because they were never ever good. And I

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won't miss being fed that like oh remember liquid Confidence? Like, no,

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it was never good and I'm not gonna think they

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do it now, but I won miss that. I will miss,

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as you're saying, the kind of cringe irony of it,

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and the fact that they were so frequently an opponent

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but in such a just a naff over anything else

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kind of way. Yeah, I mean they were so hateable,

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but they were more they were you know you love

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to hate them thing rather than the genuinely odious stuff

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that is out there. And maybe there's a new wave

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of bad bands coming in that I don't even find

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as again, I know lovably hateable, I suppose as a

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UNI at six and so on. So while I think

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it is a good thing for the music world and

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the direction of rock music that we can try and

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park that era in the past with you know, the

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passing of You Me at six as a kind of

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moment to plant the flag in that. And I will

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never come around and say, oh, no, hold me Down great,

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Really you were thirteen and the album's wet as fuck,

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but Me Down is great in a strange sort of way.

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I as said for their their their position as an

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opponent for the last fifteen plus years, just just this once,

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I will doff that cap to them for that. And

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I do think, as you've said, you know, I do

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admire the lineup stability and kind of you know, doing

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it on their terms and kind of going out the

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way that the Unit six as you knew, like if

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it was Josh Franceski and four other guys, it wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I do think that if they if that line had

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changed over the years, I think my fondness for the

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band would have would have dwindled.

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Speaker 4: Ya.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't fucking tell you which one is which, but

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I could admire at least that they achieved that and

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did that. And we'll talk a little bit more about

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UNI at six later and some of their legacy and

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the questions. But there we go. That is an end of.

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Speaker 3: An era credibility.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the funeral for the six. Let's move

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into the meat of the news, and we're obviously gonna

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start with Turnstile because Turnstile we got very recently the

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kind of teasing of a date and we were like,

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surely you know that will be when an album's out

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or something. Yeah, soon enough we got it confirmed. There

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is a new record called Never Enough. It is going

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to be out on that aforementioned date that they were teasing,

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which is is uging somewhere. There we go, and they've released,

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first of all, the album cover for it, which is

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fucking rubbish. I think we should I really miss the

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stage diving photos. This is just like like like an

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app logo on an iPhone. It's terrible, But we do

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have a new song called never Enough type or track

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from the record. It is the opening track on the record,

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and I think it's very much an opening track on

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the record. Obviously, turn Style off the back of glow

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On became arguably the most hyped rock band on the planet.

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I don't think that's an exaggeration. So the follow up

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to that is gonna be big, big news. And so

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I've seen more discussion around this Turnstile single than I've

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seen about, I know, probably any other single released so

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far this year. So, uh, what do we make of

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never Enough from Turnstile.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely like discussion around it. There's been

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some funny chat I've seen about it. I'm like, oh,

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you're picking now to get upset about Turnstile not being

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a hardcore band anymore? Cool, Okay, you know, like glow

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On was like that. I think this is like my

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favorite comment about that. It was like, you know, Ton's

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still definitely asked a hardcob band because they've written the

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same song again.

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Speaker 1: I saw that and thought the exact same thing.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, fair enough, because like, yes,

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this is mystery part two for all intents and purposes.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Right when that guitar comes in, Oh, that guitar tone

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is perfect. I cannot criticize that guitar tone, that drum sound,

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the synth of production, everything about it is basically perfect

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to me. The most I can say is that, like, yeah,

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it's not like the most lot of like blow your

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skirt up electronic turnstile song ever, But I just fucking

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love the sound of this. I'm down for this is

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like kind of having this as that kind of like

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album opener, kind of like just big, shimmering, luscious sounding

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kind of like mid tempo sort of anthemic song that

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then builds into the album kicking shit off on track too.

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If that's the kind of the turnstile thing, sign me

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the fuck up. I like I again, I wasn't like

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blown away by the first listen a couple of listeners

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in now though, I can't say a bad one about this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard, isn't it? Because it's not. It's hard

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to talk about it as a song because it doesn't

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feel like we're getting the whole piece of what we

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can talk about. Like, I like it. It sounds last, Like

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Sam says the hook on It is quite nice. It's catchy,

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and for the last two weeks in my village we've

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just nothing but so and it's been warm and lovely,

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so I've been in the exact right space to accept

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this song. It is funny that this is the first

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thing they're releasing, because it feels like, you know, almost

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we're hiding what we have up our sleeve. We're giving

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you literally the first thing on the album, which isn't

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really that much of a statement, because we know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just a stement of confidence. They've got

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to come though. That's how it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's nice rather than the like this is

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the start of our new era, We're back, like this

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is our no rest for the wicked bank of the

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disco whatever, you know. Like it's confident in quite a

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subtle way, and I really like that, and it makes

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me more excited to hear what they have off our sleeve,

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of their sleeve.

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Speaker 1: I think the song is good. I think it's funny

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that the mystery thing, which a lot of people have said,

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it just sounds like mystery, and I think it obviously serves.

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I mean, it is the Ora have the record, and

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it seems to open it in a very similar way

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to Mystery. I will be curious basically again what it

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kind of moves into because Mystery, again it kind of

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it has that kind of turnstile have. Bizarrely, they've perfected

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this thing of like hardcore that sounds like you're floating

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on a lovely lilo or with a nice you know,

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like candy candy floss pillow or something that there is

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that just kind of like airiness about them. And this

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has that sense style, and you know, Mystery starts that

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record in a similar sort of way, but then moves

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into a banger. This clearly you could say they're repeating

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themselves in terms of it starts the record in almost

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exactly the same way as from what we can hear

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right now, but it's so much lower energy than Mystery.

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And I think Mystery on its own is a mega

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mega tune. This it feels more like I can see

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the Mystery comparison, but it's more like Mystery if you

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played on the lower RPM, you know, and it's just kind.

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Speaker 2: Of that's purposeful. I think it is a bit more

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just kind of like slacker and let back the Mystery

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and more about just kind of like sitting in that

476
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summer vibe, which yeah, but can't criticize, but it's.

477
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,799
Speaker 1: Like a it's a kind of a slightly woozier version.

478
00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:12,799
I think it's good. I think it sounds good. I

479
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:16,799
would be curious to see again what kind of what

480
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,000
comes with it, because it does feel a bit like, uh,

481
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,039
there's no new trick here, right. What it is is

482
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:26,680
something that we know them to be doing now, but

483
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,839
a kind of like more foot off the gas sort

484
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,799
of version. So while I enjoy the song kind of

485
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:34,960
just as a vibe to kind of sit in for

486
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,559
a while, it does feel like exactly like you're saying,

487
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:45,240
they are kind of they're not putting their most dynamic

488
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:49,680
or kind of like bombastic foot forward first. It's much

489
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,039
more kind of like teasing you into what else might

490
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:58,079
be going on, and the fact that you know, this

491
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:00,920
is almost like a turnstile by numbers as expected sort

492
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,599
of experience. And we can say that about something that

493
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,160
has like kind of an extended smooth jazz piano fade

494
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,680
out from ostensibly hardcore bad. It is quite fun in

495
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,119
terms of, you know, kind of what they've set out

496
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,880
their stole as being. But I it certainly sound I

497
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,079
mean literally the ending sounds like it is gonna like

498
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:20,599
it kind.

499
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,839
Speaker 3: Of it cuts off track two is gonna kick off.

500
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a purposeful it's a very purposeful tease,

501
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,359
because it's there's about thirty seconds of ambience before that

502
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:34,920
little bit of a beat comes in right at the end.

503
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,960
They could have cut that easily for like the single

504
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,240
cut or whatever. It feels very like on purpose that

505
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:46,799
we're gonna let you hear a little bit of roadiness

506
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,559
to speculate and get excited, certainly, and funny, I just wonder, like,

507
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,440
are we gonna get a kind of like turnstile as

508
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,480
expected sort of aerience.

509
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: But what that will be is something that doesn't sound

510
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,920
like anyone else. It might be one of those strange

511
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,119
kind of scenarios or something that is so kind of

512
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,799
I don't know, almost safe, But at the same time,

513
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,680
in the grand scheme of things so unique and so

514
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,599
out there, I'm obviously we're only speculating from track one

515
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,920
on a record that might intentionally be a kind of

516
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,400
bait and switch. But yeah, I mean, I think it's good.

517
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,400
I don't think it's one of the greatest singles to date,

518
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,880
but it's clearly meant to be a kind of draw

519
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,079
you into what's going on, and you know, obviously there'll

520
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,160
be much much more Turnstile talk in June when when

521
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,160
the album comes out. So Turnstile never enough out on

522
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,000
June the was it June the sixth?

523
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: June sixth, Yeah, a week later.

524
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, we can rename a d Day there

525
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,599
to T Day. There you go elsewhere. We have a

526
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:49,279
new Green Day song. It's a deluxe addition bonus track

527
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:52,319
from the Saviors album. It's called Smash. It like blushi

528
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,960
very quickly markets rubbish in it.

529
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I was really confused because it's so generous.

530
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: Rubbish lasted seconds and I was like, right, cool, don't

531
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,160
need to hear anymore.

532
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,799
Speaker 4: I was convinced it was a song from the album

533
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,559
because it felt so familiar and so just sort of

534
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,799
like bog standard Green Day to me that I had

535
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,039
to double check that I was listening to the right thing.

536
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,160
It's yeah, it's rubbish. It's it's that a Green Day

537
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,799
thing where the song is so generic that it sounds

538
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,119
like every New Green Day song. But also if you

539
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,920
asked me to recall it now, it just sounds like

540
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,240
white noise in my Brain.

541
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was quite surprised see that Catatonia have actually

542
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,599
got a new album coming out that it's called Nightmares's

543
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,200
Extensions of the Waking State. That's also going to be

544
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,119
out on June the sixth. But this is surprising because

545
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:42,799
a the Skyboder Stars record still feels quite recent and freshman.

546
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,680
I think it's one of their quicker turnarounds. But that

547
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,200
is considering the fact that they've just you know, a

548
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,920
couple of weeks ago announced you know, one of their

549
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,319
founding members parting away to the band for the first time,

550
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,160
you know, in the entire duration of the band's history.

551
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,279
So they've lost one of the two major kind of

552
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:02,759
core songwriters, but also very very quickly turned around another record,

553
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:05,119
and I was wondering, like with that kind of you know,

554
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,839
with that space of time, I was like, well, will

555
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,960
this be here? You know, at Ander's final record, and

556
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,720
he's kind of contributed heavily to it. But it's you know,

557
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:16,400
this press release and everything seems to suggest that this

558
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,400
record you know, features the debut of their new guitarists.

559
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,319
So yeah, I don't really know kind of the story

560
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,359
that's gone on there, but there is new Catatonia coming

561
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,720
out on June the sixth, and there's a song that's

562
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,640
out called light Luck, which you know from a first

563
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,359
listen hasn't really kind of jammed its hooks in me

564
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,079
the way that you know some of the other ones have,

565
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,000
but that that happens sometimes with them, So I guess,

566
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,640
you know, we'll see. But you know, curious stuff going

567
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,240
on for the big Catatonia fans out there. This is

568
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,359
a funny piece of news. Death Grips this past week

569
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880
put up a little photo on Instagram, which is you know,

570
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,000
normally the way Death Grips communicate is through like a

571
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,039
photo of something are still image and there'll be some

572
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,680
kind of message or something scrawled in the image somewhere,

573
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,000
which is exactly what's happened here. You may remember near

574
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,440
the start of this year, there was a screenshot that

575
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,440
came out from a conversation that someone was having with

576
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,480
one of the members of Death Grips, Andy, who said

577
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:14,519
that Death Grips may well have broken up because Stephan

578
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,359
that is empty ride. Apparently it kind of just didn't

579
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:18,440
want to do it at that point in time, and

580
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,599
there was a bit a lot of speculation there. I mean,

581
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:22,440
we did a little bit of speculation, but more so

582
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,279
like in the wider you know, music internet of like, oh,

583
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,440
death Grips are done, Deathcripts are over. And we had

584
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,960
a little bit of like, you know, maybe maybe this

585
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:33,720
is the end, because you can never really predict with them,

586
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,599
but also it could well not be. And this little

587
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:42,839
image that Death Grips have posted says despite rumor and hearsay,

588
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,599
we remain active as Death Grips signed Stefan and Zack,

589
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200
which obviously suggested that Death Grips have not broken up.

590
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:52,640
But the fact that it's only signed the two of them,

591
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,920
I don't know if that means that Andy is out

592
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,440
of the band or if it's just Stefan and Zack

593
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,200
counteracting the thing that came from Andy. I don't know.

594
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,680
All I can say is there's something that we can

595
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,359
take away from this that is generally how I kind

596
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,559
of viewed them before, which is I think the way

597
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,240
to engage with Death Grips is to engage with them

598
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,559
when they're there in front of you, and just go

599
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:18,799
do something else when they're not there in front of you,

600
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,759
Like when Death Grips are not immediately tangibly in front

601
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,160
of you, you can just think about something else because

602
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,799
there's not a lot of stock really, I mean still

603
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,680
from this. I don't know if Death Grips are broken

604
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,200
up or not. Really they've said they're not, but they

605
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,119
could well be. I don't know. All I can say

606
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,759
is as said, when they're there and we've got them great.

607
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,599
When they're not here, I'm somewhere else.

608
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: It's shorten as cat like the yeah, don't trust them, don't.

609
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: Trust them, But there you go, Death Grips. Who knows.

610
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Now we move on to what has been one of

611
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,519
the slightly biggest stories of the week, even though I it's,

612
00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:59,759
you know, the one that I am then, at least

613
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,839
in the usiastic about talking about. But Dragon to Sunlight,

614
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,640
of all bands, have found themselves at the kind of

615
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,039
center of a social media storm over the past week

616
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,319
or so because Dragon to Sunlight they are going out

617
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,079
on a US tour around Maryland Deaths. We've reported on

618
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,160
that before, and one of the support acts for that

619
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,200
US run was due to be the band Meth, and

620
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,279
Meth this past week said that they had been kicked

621
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:30,759
off of Dragon to Sunlight's tour, allegedly because that they

622
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,960
were signed to Prosthetic Records. If you do not know

623
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,359
if you are not up on this. This has been

624
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,240
a thing for like years and years and years that

625
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,759
I know, the Dragon some like fan base has been

626
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,720
kind of aware of basically that the band were once

627
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:47,559
signed to Prosthetic Records and have like the mother of

628
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,799
all label beefs with their former label, Prosthetic Records, and

629
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:53,359
maybe there I don't know, is it like a data

630
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,599
remember in Victory or whatever.

631
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,519
Speaker 2: I'd say it's that sort of thing.

632
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:00,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I you know, you might speculate the that

633
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,359
might be the reason Drag to Sunlight are creatively so

634
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,839
kind of slum on the ground in terms of like

635
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,839
they don't have lots of records, they went on hiatus

636
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:08,319
for a long time, all of that kind of stuff.

637
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,119
Stuff like that can play apart and play a toll.

638
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,480
So we all know that Prosthetic and Dragon to Sunlight

639
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:17,200
have beef and there's you know, a bad relationship there.

640
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,759
But the news that they had kicked off a band

641
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,720
who assigned to Records to their tour is quite bizarre

642
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:26,920
because why were they on the tour in the first

643
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,480
place if that is how it kind of is. Dragon

644
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,799
to Sunlight then made their little statement and they said

645
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:36,480
basically it was an oversight from their team, whatever that means,

646
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,960
and they've said, we choose who we work with, and

647
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,920
it feels like a fairly basic artistic freedom to be

648
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,720
able to do so. So basically, look at it here.

649
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,200
A smaller band, Meth, have been removed from a tour

650
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,599
because of their alignment with a label that they are

651
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,359
actually no longer on, but Dragons some like have said like,

652
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:56,440
while I don't know Proshetic are still selling, I guess

653
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,480
profiting from it. They're very hard line essentially about nothing

654
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,559
to do with anything that will make Prosthetic Records money.

655
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:05,279
And I think what we can look at here is

656
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,359
it feels like one of the most childish beefs between

657
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,200
I don't know bands that I can remember commenting on.

658
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:15,240
And what I look at it here is the weird

659
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,960
social media storm around it is. I think we are

660
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:21,880
at a time at the moment where not just do it,

661
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,519
but just in general people just want blood over kind

662
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:31,680
of like any fallout or any misdemeanor or anything. And

663
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,920
there's this weird thing that don't I can't quite get

664
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,720
on with of every time a band I don't know

665
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,599
it makes a move that maybe I don't agree with

666
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,680
or whatever, but there's this weird sense that people need

667
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,559
to kind of, like I don't know, project their morality

668
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:50,720
onto it and demand that bands take accountability for like

669
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,160
every single little thing, and like, yeah, to lay it out,

670
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,039
drag the sunlight don't come off well here. I feel

671
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,880
for the band Meth very very strongly. There are undoubtedly

672
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,480
the kind of victims in this scenario. If Dragons somebody

673
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,079
wanted to not have anything to do with pro Setic Records,

674
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,159
which is entirely there as they say they're they're they're

675
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,119
kind of prerogative, then there must have been a better

676
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,320
option than allowing Meth on the tour to begin with,

677
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,800
only to kick them off after a certain amount of

678
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,800
financial sync and gone into it or whatever. But I'm

679
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,119
kind of just content to let these bands you know,

680
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,000
and labels or whatever sort out themselves rather than what

681
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,400
I have seen in the past week, which is like

682
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:35,079
a huge amount of again social media firestorm around this

683
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,679
kind of thing, when I don't need a band to

684
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,800
take I don't know, like face the eye of their

685
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,719
entire you know, audience every single time there is some

686
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,760
inter band politics or anything like this going on. Am

687
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,400
I alone there.

688
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,199
Speaker 2: I mean, like I was kind of like it was

689
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,840
like most people kicking off out this, you're still going

690
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,360
to go to that tour, aren't you? Like lets people,

691
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,119
They're still probably going to go and watch Draggling the

692
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,239
Sun out on this tour there? Do you know kind

693
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,280
of like or high grounding it. I mean, I think

694
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,440
it's a bit of a shitty thing for the bands

695
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,920
to do. I think bands do shitty thing again, it's

696
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,960
it's kind of scummy.

697
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,199
Speaker 3: It's not the worst thing band could ever do.

698
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: It's just petty and unfortunate for Metho have kind of

699
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,440
found themselves caught in the crossfires when they've done nothing

700
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,079
really wrong. They're just kind of caught in a wider,

701
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,079
sort of wider issue and they've become casualties of that.

702
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:26,599
Speaker 3: That sucks.

703
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: That sucks for them, And I do think there might

704
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,559
there must have been a way. There should have been

705
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,159
a way around it, whether there was an oversighting to

706
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:34,840
begin with when they were inviting onto the tour and

707
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,599
not realizing they had this connection. If they were still

708
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,119
signed for a fake i'd almost get the decision more

709
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,480
and I think they almost might.

710
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: But because of a pass sociation is a bit odd,

711
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,199
But at the.

712
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: Same time, I just I had no energy to kind

713
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,440
of like get some moral hand ringing going on and

714
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,360
and be outraged by this cause I was like, Okay, fine.

715
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they say there was an oversight, I think

716
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:58,440
what I would probably assume there is that they brought

717
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,639
methon no knowing that they were no longer on the label.

718
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:06,039
But they have then discovered that Prosthetics somehow, again I

719
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,639
don't have what the figures are here are but Prosthetics

720
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:13,320
somehow is still gaining some kind of financial advantage from

721
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,760
Meth and their activities and therefore dragged to some light,

722
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,559
have you know, drawn the line there? And they are

723
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:21,840
very hardline about this stuff. And they are a band who,

724
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,960
like you know, they are a difficult Yeah, they always have,

725
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,079
that's the whole thing with them. And they are they

726
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:28,920
are a band who don't do anything unless they are

727
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,400
kind of, you know, wanting to do so, so in

728
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,880
a weird way, I'm not surprised that this has happened.

729
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,119
And yeah, like they don't come off well and it

730
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:39,800
is petty, and I really do feel for Meth. And

731
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,159
I think if you are you know, if you are

732
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,280
a Meth fan, then now is probably the time to

733
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,320
go and you know, pick up some merch and and

734
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,000
buy a shirt, because I'm sure that you know, they

735
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,599
would kind of need whatever's. You know. Blowback is kind

736
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,480
of coming from this, and I really do feel for

737
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:56,639
them in that regard. But I also think we live

738
00:36:56,639 --> 00:37:00,440
in an era because of social media and comments and

739
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,079
so on, where any weird little like walking out of

740
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,920
line at one moment is then uses a stick to

741
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,719
kind of beat a band with and will haunt a

742
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,400
band forever and ever. And I think about I don't know,

743
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,360
all the various band specials we've done and stuff, and

744
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,039
whatever shit Black Sabbath might have done in nineteen ninety

745
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,000
one or whatever getting rid of Tony Martin or whatever,

746
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,280
if that had happened today, then that would fucking haunt

747
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,159
them in the comment sections, you know, for the rest

748
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,800
of time. And so it is. It is petty, and

749
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,119
it is unfortunate. And yeah, I mean what Dragon and the

750
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:37,000
Sun might have done morally here I don't agree with, essentially,

751
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:41,079
but over something of such a kind of scale. Again,

752
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,719
I don't demand that every band that I like on

753
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,440
these kind of matters, I don't know, take some kind

754
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,840
of accountability from their audience. I know, I don't know,

755
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,360
as said, you know, you know, anyone from the band

756
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,320
Meth or whatever, like, you know, it's really unfortunate and

757
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,159
we really hope that, you know, you can kind of

758
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:01,480
make the best of that. But there you go. That's

759
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,239
the dragon the sunlight situation. Let's talk a little bit

760
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239
about live news and stuff that is happening and going ahead.

761
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,119
And the third thing I want to throw in here

762
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:10,760
is actually just a little update on something we spoken

763
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,519
about before. Eistein Kills and their UK taught with Creeper

764
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,000
and the Devil was Prada that is coming up at

765
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,480
the end of this year in the UK. I noticed

766
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,000
here that the Manchester date, which was due to take

767
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,199
place at the Victoria Warehouse, has been upgraded due to

768
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,639
phenomenal demand to the co Op Live Arena, which is

769
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,159
the brand new arena that has just opened here not

770
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,639
long ago. I've been to precisely one show there so far.

771
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:41,119
I saw Slipknot there at the end of last year.

772
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,800
And it is the biggest arena here. I believe I'm

773
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,679
right saying it's one of the biggest arenas in the country.

774
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:48,639
It's talking, we're talking.

775
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,119
Speaker 2: Two It's a lot that those those lines.

776
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: It's our equivalent here. But again the kind of there's

777
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,760
the what previously was to kind of the Manchester arena

778
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,760
is more sort of a Wembley equivalent. This one they've

779
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,679
opened up much by again kind of O two size

780
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,800
and I stand kills upgrading Victoria Warehouse, which is about

781
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,679
three to four thousand. That's an upgrade of literally about

782
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,079
twenty thousand. I've never seen an upgrade like it.

783
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: The day the tickets went out and I saw that,

784
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,159
like Manster had sold out on the Friday when the

785
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,719
tickets when general so was like, oh damn that that

786
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,320
is a fast movement from Manchester. Yeah, so there's a

787
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,480
demand like yeah, and will.

788
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: They settle out the co oply, I'd be fucking surprised, given,

789
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,079
you know, an upgrade of twenty thousand, As said, who

790
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,719
knows how full that arena will be come December, whether

791
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,559
they're to court a bit soft or whatever. But the

792
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,599
fact that they would make the move at all obviously

793
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,320
suggests a certain amount of confidence. And I do think

794
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,400
it's noteworthy. You know, we were commenting like, oh, you

795
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,360
know they're playing They're playing Wembley Arena, aren't they?

796
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

797
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of comment when bands like

798
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,159
you know on Sleep Token or whoever have gone and

799
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:55,880
played the two in places like that. We've been like, Wow,

800
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,679
that's a real you know, that's almost like a cementing

801
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,760
of them as a one of our larger bands. I

802
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,480
see a band upgrading the Victoria warehow to the fucking

803
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:08,000
co Op live? And I go Are Eceneine Kills have

804
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,000
they in the last couple of years? You know, a

805
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,920
few years now since they released the album? Are we

806
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,039
seeing them actually become one of our new megabands in

807
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:21,360
the kind of the ilk of Again, spirit Boxers, sleep Tokens, whatever,

808
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,000
who are have kind of come up in the last

809
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,639
few years. Are Icenine Kills actually going to be joining

810
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:28,280
them off the back of an announcement like that?

811
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,639
Speaker 4: I love it because I'd love one more of the

812
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,480
level of band that I like. This is so mad,

813
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:41,400
like I kind of I don't really know how to

814
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,880
compartmentalize it in my mind. It doesn't feel real like

815
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,199
they're playing the Hydro in Glasgow. How I don't wander

816
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,559
like I love Icenine Kills. I'm chuffed to bits for them.

817
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:55,639
How what's happened?

818
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,039
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I do I feel a bit better

819
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,800
about you know, Creeper Main support come Up Live than

820
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,159
I do Creeper Main Sport at Victoria Warehouse.

821
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:09,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is mad, Like Sleep Talking are

822
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,079
a new arena band and they're headlining Downlold. First of all,

823
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,199
are ice nine kills in the pipeline to one day

824
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,880
be a Downlold headliner? Like what does this mean?

825
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if you see them as like

826
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,840
a second stage headliner in like next year or so. Now,

827
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,800
if if this tour does succeed like and again, like

828
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,400
I I welcome it. I know I rag on about

829
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,079
thinking of that. I think it was the one of

830
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,679
those bands who have kind of endeared themselves to me

831
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,599
because of like I mean, they are just so much

832
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:41,760
more interesting as a creative prospect than all of those

833
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,280
other bands. So what, I welcome them being one of

834
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,880
the ones to take a stab at being massive because

835
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,239
there is again, they are an odd band. They're not

836
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:55,800
like dumbed down kind of like gent riff stock like

837
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,199
metcle band that they have so many other weird things

838
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,559
going on will do them that probably shouldn't make them massive,

839
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,760
but it's connected and again like again, We're kind of

840
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,360
waiting to see if the proves in the pudding is

841
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,280
as to whether this kind of like stab at Arenas

842
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,199
does genuine work out for them, But I hope it does.

843
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,280
I would like be quite happy to see a band

844
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,440
as kind of like just like for a medical band

845
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,079
who are just a little bit like out there eisnein

846
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,159
Kills are as they have been on the last one

847
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:25,559
of records to get massive.

848
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe this is just what happens when

849
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,039
you put up the clown on your your tour poster

850
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,360
and you know they've made some connection there, and maybe

851
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,519
there's just an army of terrifier fans who are getting

852
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,559
in there, which does I think is a prominent factor

853
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:42,119
in their success, to be honest, but again I'm fond

854
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:43,960
of the last you know, two icenein Kills albums. But

855
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,920
I put this forward more objectively really of just like

856
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,280
that is a mad upgrade. And I will be as

857
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,119
said if this does, I know, represent a kind of

858
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:54,920
shift in you know, the level they are at and

859
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,039
whether they are joining the conversation of those real like

860
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,760
you know, huge bands that we have. I'll be watching

861
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,960
you know, this particular date and and how it goes

862
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,320
with with with great curiosity.

863
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,039
Speaker 4: I will say as well, when I saw them like

864
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,159
bottom of a three band bill supporting Metallica in the stadium,

865
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,920
they fit like the songs filled the stadium. Their personalities,

866
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,880
their stage presents, it works. They work on the big stage.

867
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,159
So like I have full confidence that like maybe they've

868
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:27,519
just willed this into existence by just being that good

869
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:28,480
on a big stage.

870
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on some stuff that has been announced

871
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,400
this week in terms of new tours. One, I know

872
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,280
many people this thing will be very excited about. Spanish

873
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Love Songs have announced a European and UK tour and

874
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,880
the support comes from the Dirty Nil Callie Massey, who

875
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,519
I'm not familiar with, and Sincere Engineer, who I believe

876
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,599
you know I've seen before kind of supporting in similar Yeah,

877
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,840
those those kind of bands Spanish Love Songs with Dirty

878
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,880
Nil is you know, if you are in the kind

879
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,400
of alt rock contingent of the T and M listenership,

880
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,280
that's that's a dream, double, isn't it? For mostly lot, it's.

881
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:05,679
Speaker 2: About as good as when you had the Men singers

882
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,960
and the Spanish Love Songs like it or like popping

883
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,840
the meal, like when these bands like Link Up. I mean,

884
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,360
I'm obviously seeing this as part of the whole common

885
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,239
threads thing that's going on around.

886
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,199
Speaker 3: It, all right, because this is just part of that.

887
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,079
Speaker 2: This is like all of these bands are on that

888
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,880
lineup that have just kind of like splintered off and

889
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,039
added their own headline tour of other areas around it.

890
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:27,920
So I'll be seeing that as part of a massive,

891
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,400
curated for me exclusively line up. But yeah, this is like,

892
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:33,360
how are you not gonna have an amazing time with

893
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,039
Spanish love Songs and the Dirty Meil and Sincenia Engineer,

894
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:36,559
who are great.

895
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: There you go. That's happening in October elsewhere Newfound Glory.

896
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,840
I didn't realize they'd a been away for this long,

897
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:45,920
and I guess it maybe makes sense, but I feel

898
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,280
like they're playing some pretty large venues for them as well.

899
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,800
Newfound Glory are back for their first UK headline tour

900
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,559
in eight years, following they're playing Slam Dunk, aren't they?

901
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:58,679
But then they're coming back in October and they're playing

902
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,960
you know, the Victoria, where as a Manchester They're playing

903
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,639
Bricks and Academy in London, various venues around Glasgow not

904
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,039
in the eam, et cetera. And they're bringing real friends

905
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:08,599
and Coyo along with them, so you know, I guess

906
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,280
a solid pop punk bill Mark, Newfound Glory, one of

907
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,840
your favorite bands, you're going along, I'm sure, But you know,

908
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,760
is this a surprise to see them? I don't know.

909
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,159
Maybe it's the fact they've been away for what feels

910
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,800
like a longer time than they'd normally be away.

911
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: We're in an error where any band that has any

912
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:31,760
sort of nostalgic value just gets bigger. Yeah, good, Charlotte

913
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:37,400
just got bigger, simple plan when they came back, Like yeah,

914
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,039
some forty one's final tour was in an arena like

915
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,639
it was an arena tour. We're just in an era

916
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,639
where if a band doesn't go away at some point,

917
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:51,599
people will miss them enough that they will become really

918
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,760
big again. And yeah, it's mad because the last tour

919
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,320
it was a proper like nostalgia tour, like they were

920
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,360
doing a Catalysts and Sticks and Stones or the debut

921
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,239
in full different dates at or I went to multiple

922
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,559
dates because I wanted to see all the all the songs.

923
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:13,639
But that wasn't as big as that, and that was

924
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,159
like a clear Oh we're playing We're playing all the ones,

925
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:20,840
you know, So it is interesting that Yeah, maybe it

926
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,480
is just not being around for eight years makes people.

927
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,039
I mean, who knows, maybe they'll sell terribly, but they

928
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:30,599
won't if I have anything to do with it.

929
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: No, I think it's actually it's the my friends over

930
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:37,840
you interest rate just ticking up gradually over the years,

931
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,920
and there you have it. Over in America, Slayer I

932
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,360
have announced I didn't realize I weren't doing anymore this year,

933
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,199
but they've announced their only North American headline show in

934
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,639
North America. Obviously we have got them, you know, in

935
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,400
is it July when they're doing the massive show in

936
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,800
London with a huge ob bill. I'm at a stage

937
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,480
with these shows where I'm just curious to look at

938
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,320
the posters, like, oh, that's a good selection of bands

939
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,920
on each one. And their show in Pennsylvania has a

940
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,840
support bill of Knocked Loose, Suicidal Tendencies, Power Trip, the

941
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,119
Cavalera is doing a Chaos a D set and Exodus

942
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:19,000
doing a Bonded by a Blood set. Maybe the fact

943
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,920
that Exus are on first because Gary Holt is obviously

944
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,360
pulling double duty, and I feel like you know, knocked

945
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,559
Loose getting the main support is I think, you know,

946
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,880
I'll ask you about that sum in the second, but

947
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,920
I think that almost overshadows just the bottom there Exodus

948
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,199
Bonded by Blood set and Cavalerra Kosad set and then

949
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,719
power Trip as well for a fucking Slayer day before

950
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,320
you get to the main support, that's a dream.

951
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: That the Cavalier like Tuxtingles is like, that's like second

952
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,559
from bottom. And again I know in London we've got

953
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:56,719
Hate Breed a second, so again these are stacked shows.

954
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if we had in London, if we had

955
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,239
the Bonded by Blood and KOCD, I might have just

956
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,400
had to throw my money at it anyway, because them's

957
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,519
good albums, you know what I mean.

958
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,199
Speaker 3: I think I think these are cool lineups.

959
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: And then again like not Loose as the main sport,

960
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,239
that does feel like a like a huge stamp of

961
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,880
approval for that band there, They're completely this is putting

962
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,840
them in front of the firing squad of Slayer. You know,

963
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,719
these kind of that legendary thing or can you can

964
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,960
you play main sport to Slayer?

965
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: Can you can you handle that crowd?

966
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 4: Like?

967
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,039
Speaker 2: So like that I think is a real kind of

968
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,760
like moment for not Blues. So yeah, I think this

969
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,760
is a massive lineup.

970
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got another UK band who have called it

971
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:39,400
Quips this past week. This time it comes from the Nightmares,

972
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,320
who I feel like only recently, you know, we're releasing

973
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:44,400
some stuff. They put a little statement basically saying, you know,

974
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,960
collectively they've decided to go on hiatus. The Nightmares. I

975
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,719
think I saw them once a pouring creeper. They were

976
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,159
never a band who like really you know, did it

977
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,280
for me in any significant way. But I know that again,

978
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,719
you know, being a UK band who appeared in some

979
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,559
slot and stuff like that around there, I know there

980
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:04,559
will be some people there who are fans. Sam. Do

981
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:06,960
you ever catch the Nightmares with again with Creeper or

982
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,519
something like that?

983
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: Court with Creeper, I think I caught them with kids

984
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,360
in glass houses they rocked up on like say support.

985
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,559
They were a very kind of like for a couple

986
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:17,519
of years, a popular support choice.

987
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: Again, never disliked them, never really cared for them.

988
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: But again, as you say, like them being a UK

989
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,519
bander of this time, there will be people who probably

990
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,519
were finding them as like quite a sort of like

991
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,239
formative band or the band they kind of forged a

992
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,400
little bit of a connection with through like these various

993
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,719
supports lots, So I guess, I mean it's a shame

994
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,199
always when like bands kind of like call it quits

995
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,000
quite early on in their sort of like run.

996
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess that's what surprised me because I did't

997
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,199
feel like we're only talking about them doing something very

998
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,239
very recently. But you know, there you go an acknowledgement

999
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,760
of the nightmares also calling it a day, and then

1000
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,840
our final story is one I don't actually want to

1001
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,280
make quips or jokes about this because it is you know,

1002
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,679
it's very serious and this is going to have a

1003
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,360
major effect on these people lives. But it's just a

1004
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:01,679
fucking crazy headline, isn't it. Scotch The basis from Weezer

1005
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,480
his wife was shot by police officers during a kind

1006
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,679
of chase in Los Angeles, and I think it's worth

1007
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,760
noting not deceased has since been booked for attempted murder

1008
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,840
because apparently she came out of her house with a gun,

1009
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,920
shooting at the suspects that the police were also chasing.

1010
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,519
And whatever has gone on here again, like you know,

1011
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,639
you can make your your weezer quips. Many people have.

1012
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,119
It's all over the internet. I don't want to stoop

1013
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:32,679
to that level right now. But I didn't see that coming.

1014
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,679
I didn't say Scott Schreiner appearing in the news because

1015
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,400
his wife was shot in a police shoot outcoming, that's

1016
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,719
that's a that's a real first.

1017
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was one that was just kind of like

1018
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,880
I was really I was just not sure how to process.

1019
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 3: And again I did make you know, one little in

1020
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:48,800
the in the distric, but it was.

1021
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: Also like this is this is insane when you kind

1022
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,199
of readers like so they were like place it like

1023
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,760
on a man hunt for these three guys, and then

1024
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,400
so I was shooting at them from her house or

1025
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,000
something and then getting and it was kind of like

1026
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,480
why is America.

1027
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: Like it kind of just like America behave? Was kind

1028
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,719
of my main takeaway.

1029
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: From there, you know, that gift of Daniel Travito being like,

1030
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,800
so anyway I just started blasting.

1031
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine being the police and discovering that the

1032
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,119
woman who emerged from their house shooting who you then

1033
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,960
you know, kind of took down yourself, then finding out

1034
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:28,039
later that it's the basis from Wisa's why Jesus Christ

1035
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:33,199
no idea, but yeah, that happened. I suppose let's bring

1036
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,719
in some questions for this episode of hype Blast. It's

1037
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,400
always good when we got you know, Mark here as well,

1038
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,199
and there's Sam and Mark and the two of you

1039
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,519
to bounce off of to do some questions. And as said,

1040
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:46,119
you know, we are going to loop background to the

1041
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:48,280
Unit six discussion a little bit for this one because

1042
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,800
Matthew Brown is going to kick us off and he

1043
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,440
asks how soon do you think it will be until

1044
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,239
they come back? This is the first of a two

1045
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,119
prong question, but let's start with that. I suppose, and

1046
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,119
we had, you know, a couple of comments underneath it,

1047
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,519
someone saying eighteen months before they headline to reunite to

1048
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,199
headline slam Dunk. Someone said twenty twenty nine for the

1049
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,239
Take Off your Colours anniversary. Let's ask this. I suppose, Hey,

1050
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,280
do you think they'll come back and be how long

1051
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,599
do you give it?

1052
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:18,119
Speaker 4: It's gotta be the amount of fucking shows they played.

1053
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,480
It'd be really cheeky if they came back at all,

1054
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,719
but especially like sub five years.

1055
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, even like five years for the amount of

1056
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:31,480
the time that we endured them and then the amount

1057
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,960
that they milked the farewell to even five years for

1058
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:36,360
me would be like you again.

1059
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:41,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'd love when bands break up and

1060
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:45,119
just stay broken up, So I would rather than never

1061
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:49,039
came back. Fuck knows. We live in the culture now

1062
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,079
where breaking up and getting back together is almost just

1063
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,559
part of what happens. It's just part of being in

1064
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,599
a band, is just part of the career. So genuinely,

1065
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,599
who fuck knows they could be back next week.

1066
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:05,159
Speaker 3: I just fit there, so I didn't catch all you said.

1067
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,199
Speaker 2: I think if they've got to come back, the earliest

1068
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,960
it will be is twenty twenty eight, for the tenth

1069
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,079
anniversary of Take Off Your Colors. That will be the

1070
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:16,199
earliest of it's going to happen. I want to give

1071
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,960
them the benefit of the down said they're not going

1072
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,400
to do it.

1073
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: I think Josh has bands day. No.

1074
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,119
Speaker 2: I just I'm a believer. And here's the thing, right

1075
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:27,880
I look up. If they do come back, of course

1076
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,800
I'm going to fucking go.

1077
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 3: So I can't.

1078
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: I can't, like you know, keep mainting any credibility here,

1079
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,400
So like I will say, slammed Unk twenty twenty eight,

1080
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:41,639
Take off your colors in full again and I'll go

1081
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,440
see it and I'll have the best time again. There

1082
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:44,800
you go.

1083
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the second part of the Unit six question

1084
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,159
was how important, if at all, do you think a

1085
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,400
part they played as a gateway band for more guitar driven,

1086
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,840
slash heavier bands. They certainly played a fair role for

1087
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,400
me getting too rock alternative music. The guest vocals by

1088
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,679
Olie and On Sinn has Never Sleeped played the part

1089
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,039
in turning my ears to bands with screams, et cetera.

1090
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,199
So this is again this is the thing with you

1091
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,840
means I frequently, as I did earlier, said that their

1092
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,960
influence in terms of the kinds of bands that were

1093
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,000
getting popular in the UK was a negative one. But

1094
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,119
I do acknowledge there is a flip side to that,

1095
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,679
which is exactly what has been laid out here. So

1096
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,639
as people who were maybe I don't know, more part

1097
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,239
of that phenomenon, what do you think.

1098
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: I do think they were like a pivotal gateway band,

1099
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,599
because what is me like two thousand and eight when

1100
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:33,800
I'm getting into rock music, Like I've discovered all the

1101
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,119
American bands at this point, you know, I've heard Paramore,

1102
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:39,679
I've heard Michael wical romance. There was nothing kind of

1103
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:41,800
going on in the UK apart from you know, like

1104
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,400
maybe a SA band. We don't really talk about it

1105
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,039
anymore for very obvious reasons. So when there was kind

1106
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:48,800
of like this hot new kind of thing coming from

1107
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,280
the UK, which was a free pronged the sort of

1108
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,039
bringing the horizon and she cry knew me at six

1109
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:57,639
and they were like the kind of the UK vanguard

1110
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,719
of like cool. You know, America's doing all of this

1111
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,400
their thing with like alternate music. Well here's the UK

1112
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,760
representation of kind of like the dance sort of metal thing,

1113
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,559
the pure metal core and then pop punk and and

1114
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:11,079
it was those kind of like those three together were

1115
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,559
like genuinely pivotal in kind of like selling and getting

1116
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,039
me more invested in rock music a hole not just

1117
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,639
to sound like and so that was like, and I'm

1118
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:21,679
sure people were getting into them a bit later when

1119
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,639
they're hearing Bite my Tongue and Timers money on Sinces

1120
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,639
Never Sleep, and they hear Winston McCall come in for

1121
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:28,800
that break and at the end of time is money.

1122
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,119
If that got someone to check out Parkway Drive, that

1123
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,079
alone justifies the existence of New Me at six for me,

1124
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,480
like if they got one more person to check out

1125
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,360
Parkway Drive because Winston McCord did a guest spot. I

1126
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,039
think that they they had more positive impact than negative impact.

1127
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:47,400
I think that they're they're they're positive impact on getting

1128
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:53,320
people into heavy music diminishes once you get past twenty fourteen,

1129
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,840
Like like I think, if you we're getting to then

1130
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,519
you're not then gonna go and discover unless you are,

1131
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:02,159
like again hearing bite my tongue and at that point

1132
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,960
the heavy bands probably would get into from them is

1133
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:06,679
Bring with Horizon or.

1134
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:07,639
Speaker 3: Maybe into Chikari.

1135
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: But I do think if you're there in the earlier years,

1136
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,239
they would have definitely opened the gates for some heavier,

1137
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,480
more interesting bands.

1138
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I completely agreed like that three pronged like

1139
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:24,840
brit Assault of Chicari, un at six and Bring the Horizon.

1140
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,280
We have friends, We have lots of friends who are

1141
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,599
like into extreme music. Now who heard you me at

1142
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:33,519
six and then got into Enter Shikari and then got

1143
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:35,920
into Bring with the Horizon and know like Olvera and

1144
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,119
shit like that, Like I've seen it happen. It happened

1145
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:46,360
to me, Like, yeah, I it's difficult because yeah, there

1146
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,360
are Unit six have a lot of fans and the

1147
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,000
thing they like is you me at six. But that

1148
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:56,320
doesn't take away from the fact that you know, tons

1149
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,280
of people would have heard jelse minds think alike and

1150
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,559
then you know it never ends a few years later

1151
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:09,000
and then graduated to better staff. The time is money,

1152
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,559
like Winston feature. I know people who literally were like, oh, yeah,

1153
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:15,920
that's what got me into metal.

1154
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:22,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. I again, I have to acknowledge that, and I

1155
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,760
you know, I acknowledge that is true. And there are

1156
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,280
many people out there who that is their story and

1157
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,440
I respect that, and I don't take that away from them.

1158
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,480
I will say, if you me at six weren't doing it,

1159
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,119
I'm sure that someone else would have done it who

1160
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,239
were maybe closer to the thing and did not have

1161
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,320
the downside yea, and did not have the uh you know,

1162
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,000
UNI at six not existing does not mean that all

1163
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:49,199
those people who got into Parkway drive through that would

1164
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:51,000
never have ever found it. And if you me at

1165
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,320
six departed from that fucking you know, like that stranglehold

1166
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,960
that they had, maybe other things could have gone around

1167
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:01,760
and become part of that and we wouldn't have had

1168
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,480
to wait so fucking long for the kind of UK

1169
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:06,159
bands that we saw coming through more in the later

1170
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:08,320
twenty tens to kind of like get a little bit

1171
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,639
of something going on. But I acknowledge that objectively, there

1172
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:13,960
are lots of people out there who found their way

1173
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,000
in via those things that we were talking about. So yeah,

1174
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,280
that's the kind of I guess the wrap up for

1175
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:21,679
U me at six, Tom Reid asks one of our

1176
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,480
kind of our you know, sometimes we just have like

1177
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:27,360
a nerd question, Tom Reid, I say that lovingly, says,

1178
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:30,079
what's your favorite band who only made two albums and

1179
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,079
then called it quits. I was looking the other day,

1180
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,480
and most bands need to have either one or three

1181
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:37,039
plus having two sceness are for some reason. And I guess,

1182
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,280
you know, we've asked before about the best one album wonders,

1183
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:43,119
and I guess, you know, I do think about maybe

1184
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,480
bands who made like three records and then stopped or whatever.

1185
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,920
But for some reason, two has been positioned here as

1186
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,119
a kind of a difficult number. And I thought about

1187
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:53,559
it and I thought, well, maybe it is, And then

1188
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,119
I looked and there's actually a whole ton that I've

1189
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,719
you come up with and have come to mind. But

1190
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:01,119
I'll throw to you guys best.

1191
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:04,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a I have a few. I'll just

1192
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:08,679
quickly at the start of this throughout two pop punk ones,

1193
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:12,039
there was a band from like fifteen years ago called

1194
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,119
This Time Next Year who just sounded like Newfound Glory,

1195
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,800
and they had two albums that sounded like Newfund Glory

1196
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:21,400
and I like them a lot and me versus zero.

1197
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: Because there is like an EP that sometimes is classed

1198
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,159
as an album, but I would count as an EP

1199
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,719
or a demo and I would only have two albums. But

1200
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,320
like some people will count that first thing as an album.

1201
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 4: That thing's like seventeen minutes long.

1202
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,719
Speaker 2: I'm not fucking like twenty minutes. But I think a

1203
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,840
bunch of songs that were we used on days of

1204
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,320
shape our lives. But I think we are a definite shout.

1205
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:47,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, even though one of the albums is good, like

1206
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,000
they count just because it's pretty good, Like, yeah, I

1207
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,280
haven't heard it so long, I should go back to it, really,

1208
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:58,280
but yeah, this takes me back to my favorite days.

1209
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,880
The UK hard core scene of the early twenty tens

1210
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,960
were bands like Heights and you know all those guys Landscapes.

1211
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,039
But my answer my favorite band who only have two

1212
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:11,239
an albums.

1213
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: The Ghost of one Thousand just yeah, yeah, I adore.

1214
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 4: Like and sort of more in the fact that they

1215
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,760
never had more albums because the debut this is where

1216
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,760
the fight begins as a great scrappy like ferocious hardcore assault,

1217
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:34,719
but new hopes and new demonstrations. The second record basically

1218
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,440
one of my favorite albums of all time. Now, hell

1219
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,719
of like they were experimenting. I don't want to say

1220
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,159
there was like an ac DC esque stomp swaggered to them,

1221
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,039
but there was more hard rock, there was more rock

1222
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:51,559
and roll. They were really leaning into a Ghost of

1223
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:55,639
a Thousand sound. And then they split up and I

1224
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,119
wish we got more Ghost of one Thousand records and

1225
01:00:58,199 --> 01:00:59,920
I think about that every day.

1226
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:02,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was strong for this a bit

1227
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,199
and then I went, oh, actually, the UK and the

1228
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:06,440
two thousands, there was loads of bands I fucking love

1229
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,320
to release two albums and called it quits. Mark has

1230
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,119
already mentioned a couple of them. You mentioned Heights Landscapes

1231
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:12,719
are one. I really want to shout. I fucking love

1232
01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:15,559
those two Landscapes albums as the kind of like the

1233
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,000
sad boy like really emotive lord Cardgo thing. I think

1234
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:21,440
Landscapes were fucking brilliant. The three that really spung to

1235
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,559
mind are kind of like UK bands that like released

1236
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:26,360
two albums one of them might be coming back.

1237
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: But Marmosettes, Yeah, yeah, I wonder whether they were counting

1238
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:32,760
right now, but yeah.

1239
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to mention them now as I kind of

1240
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,559
like put them in there.

1241
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: But then the two that, like, I had two albums

1242
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,280
that are both great and they called it quits, Black

1243
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,119
Peaks and Milk Teeth.

1244
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Milton, I was going to throw at Ithaca

1245
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:48,119
as well. Yeah, no, that's too decent, like, but yeah,

1246
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,599
two for some reason feels like the curse number for

1247
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:51,440
all those UK bands.

1248
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: This was it is like, is it like for someone

1249
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:56,199
like an amazing debut and then a follow up that

1250
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,119
was like really good like the case of Milk Teeth

1251
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:02,119
right while child fucking like near Flawles's debut album and

1252
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,800
then the self titled really Good came out in the

1253
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,840
middle of COVID when it was just impossible for them

1254
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,039
to support it and it took a while to get

1255
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:11,119
it out because of various issues going on with that band,

1256
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,840
so it kind of just they had to kind of

1257
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,960
peter out. Black Peaks you know, like, yeah, one of

1258
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,320
the greatest what ifs, And there was another one that

1259
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,039
did being to mind as kind of like I don't

1260
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:22,480
think I could say that one of my favorites because

1261
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,119
I've only got into them in like recent years, but

1262
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:26,440
I think they probably do have a shout of.

1263
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: Being one of the best, and I'm sure probably Perry

1264
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,519
and You will mention them. But acid Bath, Yeah.

1265
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:33,239
Speaker 1: They were the one that kind of they were like

1266
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,960
the one that broke the seal for me where I

1267
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,280
was like, wow, who is it? And I went, oh, fuck,

1268
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,280
acid Bath, like the one who are literally everywhere at

1269
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:38,559
the moment.

1270
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing is I was kind of like

1271
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,119
I was, I don't know if I could say that

1272
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:42,679
one of my favorites, because again, they are a new

1273
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,400
kind of like interest me and I have listened to

1274
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,360
that second album good like weird album, but like, like

1275
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:49,800
acid Bath definitely think had had shout at them.

1276
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah again, acid Bath were the one where I was like, yeah,

1277
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:54,679
what They almost feel like a definitive answer because they

1278
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,559
are ever at the moment. I think both of those

1279
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,360
they're one where they have two albums and both albums

1280
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,719
are fuckingation, Like we've done a lot on like kit

1281
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Stream Pops and stuff that Pagan Terrorism Tactics is amazing

1282
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,079
as well. But then again, I want to thought about it,

1283
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:09,519
and I thought, with a whole big list, and I'm

1284
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:11,280
gonna cut say some things and you're gonna go oh,

1285
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:19,039
of course Botch only released two albums. Yeah, like American

1286
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:23,559
Novoso and We Are the Romans. Warning only have two albums.

1287
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,079
They are a case where the second one, which the

1288
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:26,840
one they're playing for the Damnation Watch from a Distance,

1289
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,280
does kind of overshadow the first one significantly. But in

1290
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,119
terms of like the all time and great bands who

1291
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:37,079
only released two albums, I think Warning are in there. Carnival,

1292
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,440
the Pete Steel's pre type of negative crossover thrash band,

1293
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:45,679
absolutely like really seminal band and love those two Carnival records,

1294
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,760
Iron Monkey og lineup, which I think is kind of

1295
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,800
there's a bunch of bands who have like released two

1296
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,760
and then come back or something and there's only two

1297
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,920
that people actually like listen to. So like skid Row

1298
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,760
for example, Like there's two skid Row albums, you know

1299
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,519
what I mean? Like bands who you know, made two

1300
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,519
and then dipped for ages and then came back. But

1301
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,679
it's the two which the legend are built on. There's

1302
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,480
like American football, my Blood, Valentine Possessed for the death

1303
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:13,440
metal realm, and again some of my own like you know, favorites.

1304
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,119
I guess we'll wait and see this, almost like Marmosettes,

1305
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:17,960
where like, you know, maybe they'll make something. Power Trip

1306
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:20,880
only have two albums of what you know. Power Trip

1307
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,360
was another UK band. There's the post metal band light Bearer,

1308
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:29,480
who were a really brilliant band and they only released

1309
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:33,119
two records. Vain seemed to have fucked off for now,

1310
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:35,119
but you know, Vain.

1311
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,199
Speaker 2: Are coming back. I want to hold out, so I

1312
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:38,800
didn't sat say Vain. So I was like, I'm sure

1313
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,800
that they're just you know, too busy having successful fresh water.

1314
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean if they only leave two albums,

1315
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,199
then those are two of my favorite modern day albums. Yeah.

1316
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,679
I was thinking this is this is maybe a cheety one,

1317
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:52,760
but I like, does minor threat count if you take

1318
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,320
like the first two seven inches as an album and

1319
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,920
then out of Step as an album. I know it's tenuous,

1320
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,239
but that's how I think about it. I can have

1321
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,519
Big Black, who released two albums songs about fucking is

1322
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:08,000
the second and final album, Elliott in the T and

1323
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,440
M host group chatches before brought up the mother of

1324
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,639
all obvious ones, which is Joy Division, and it's like, yeah,

1325
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:15,079
of course, fucking Joy Division only have two albums and

1326
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,440
completely seminal band sam, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned it.

1327
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:20,880
Don't have Heart only have two albums?

1328
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,079
Speaker 3: Okay, they do only have two albums. Yeah, no again,

1329
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:25,920
like that, like I got, I got so hung up

1330
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:26,719
with like the UK.

1331
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: Have Heart.

1332
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm a fucking massive Like this is one of these questions.

1333
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,639
Speaker 2: I was just kind of going like a tangent and

1334
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:35,559
then kind of get tunnel vision beyond that.

1335
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I one, I don't again. I don't

1336
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:41,440
know if it counts or not. The Devil's Blood only

1337
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:45,039
completed two albums, and there's a third record that is

1338
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,800
basically like posthumous demos, and I don't know if that

1339
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,559
entirely counts as like a completed studio album or not.

1340
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:54,960
I think in terms of my favorite of these, if

1341
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,840
I'm allowed the Devil's Blood off the back of their

1342
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,559
two like fully completed albums, I'll say them. If not,

1343
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:02,679
then it would probably be either Acid Bath or Warning.

1344
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: I think you have Heart now that you've mentioned it,

1345
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,440
like that would be where my kind of like true

1346
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,079
love for the band of two albums lies.

1347
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but certainly you know in terms of like really

1348
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,440
seminal bands who like change shit, you know, Acid, Bath,

1349
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:18,559
Botch Warning, Carnivore, even a lot of quite actually you

1350
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:20,280
know seminal bands. Are you releasing those two and then

1351
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,639
then dip in? Jonathan Gordon asks this, I'm gonna just

1352
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,559
put this one to you right now. One of the

1353
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:30,159
following has to be raised from existence completely tools Lateralis,

1354
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,880
Slipknots Self Tuttled Debut, Ragings Machines, Self Tittle Debut, or

1355
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,440
Metallica's Master of Puppets. I'm gonna swap out Master of

1356
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,400
Puppets because it's of like a completely different era to

1357
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,679
those other ones, and none of us are deleted Master

1358
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:43,880
of Puppets. That's been real. We're not stupid. So I'm

1359
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,719
gonna swap in let's say, like White Pony or and

1360
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,920
they're like Toxicity or something like something from that same

1361
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,320
kind of you know, nineties to very early naughties era.

1362
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:57,320
So Lateralis, Slip Knot, Ragings, Machine, White Pony, Toxicity. Which

1363
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,559
of those albums are use zapping from the face of

1364
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:00,559
the Earth tall.

1365
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 4: Next, Yeah, that's well's oh my god easy, Sorry losers,

1366
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,960
but like we've upset the geeks.

1367
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:14,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam, if you're sort of iffy on system right, Yeah,

1368
01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:15,760
Like if I was to introduce Toxicity, how does that

1369
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,320
change the things?

1370
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,239
Speaker 2: No, Toxicity, the title track is a banger and you know,

1371
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,920
like chop like I I like, yeah, taller for nerds. Okay,

1372
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:28,480
I'm trying, but no, I jally still probably I would

1373
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,519
still say Laterality is my least favorite of that bunch.

1374
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll speak for the nerds. Obviously, all of

1375
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,920
these albums I would say are complete, you know, seminal classics.

1376
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:41,679
I do love Lateralis. I'm definitely you know, my favorite

1377
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:43,320
out of them is Sweptnot so I'm gonna park that

1378
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,199
I'm not deleting that one. For me, I've muddled myself

1379
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:50,760
by actually introducing like Toxicity and White Pony, particularly because

1380
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,840
neither of those are actually my favorite record from those bands.

1381
01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:58,360
So uh, it would I think almost between those it

1382
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,559
does become differ. And when I say Zach from Existence,

1383
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:05,320
I'm counting kind of influence and legacy as well. And

1384
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,519
there's an awful lot of great music that I love

1385
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,840
that is influenced by a tool. I think that actually

1386
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,079
might be less music that I think is really really

1387
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:17,159
valuable that is influenced by death tones. Even What's what

1388
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,079
about Rage? I don't know, Like what about the last thing?

1389
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,520
Come on, well, I'm talking about you know again, Like

1390
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,159
if they had never existed, what would the it's up

1391
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:27,560
for debate.

1392
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:33,119
Speaker 3: I think I've never had limb Biscuit I had never existed.

1393
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:34,560
I don't know.

1394
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: I would rather trade rap metal as a whole away

1395
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:42,680
than I don't know, lose the great tool influence music

1396
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,479
that I do, I don't know it terms of my

1397
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,279
least fair album here, Okay, I'm gonna remove White Pony

1398
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,000
Toxic from the converstion because I can have muthered myself,

1399
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:51,600
but LEAs from the free that being put here, it

1400
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,960
would come down to Lateralis or the Rage album for

1401
01:08:55,079 --> 01:09:00,680
me in terms of again, bands who wouldn't exist without it.

1402
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,800
Maybe I do Rage, I don't know.

1403
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just the damage that Tom Morello

1404
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:09,479
has done to Like, that's true, public conscious opinion of him.

1405
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: That's true. But you know, Zach de Larroca is cool,

1406
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:13,479
and he does.

1407
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I mean of those ones that Rage

1408
01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:21,600
album I listened to like once a week. I'm not

1409
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,600
getting rid of that for anything, even if it down

1410
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,720
the line led to the Blackout or whatever the fuck.

1411
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: Like, that's more reason for you to keep it, surely.

1412
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,760
I mean, I'm yeah, Rage and later Alis and like

1413
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,199
White Pony for that matter, Antoxicsity there, they're not albums

1414
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:39,840
that listen too often. I think that they're albums that

1415
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,680
I you know, they're they're tens, you know, they're they're

1416
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:47,039
they're pivotal classics. But I only kind of spin them

1417
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:47,800
once in a blue moon.

1418
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1419
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: Uh so that does make it a little bit more

1420
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,600
difficult for me just right now, off the top of

1421
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,600
my head, got in states at this right second, I

1422
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,720
will say Rage, and it was obviously said said with

1423
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,720
no hate in my heart because it's rage against the machine.

1424
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:00,520
But but there you go.

1425
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 4: I do like that it came down to the chads.

1426
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,720
You meant, six fans versus the Virgin Tool fan.

1427
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's the difficulty of the gun to the

1428
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,880
head question. And then Alex Atherton also ask a broad

1429
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,239
gun to the head question, who is the best metal

1430
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:21,000
solo artist of all time, Well, we obviously know it

1431
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:23,720
comes down to Bruce Dickins and or Ian Gillen. But

1432
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,399
if we remove those two giants from the question, like

1433
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,600
do is is that?

1434
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 2: Does that count as a solo artist or like, like

1435
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,960
because work out what counts as a metal solo artists

1436
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,920
because they all have and sort of stuff like that

1437
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:37,399
with them.

1438
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,159
Speaker 1: Well, it's difficult because my like gut response is King Diamond.

1439
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,000
And then you would also throw out like Ozzy Osbourne

1440
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:46,920
for example. Yeah, and I think all of those cases,

1441
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,760
you know, Ossie, King Diamond, do o they are it's

1442
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,239
almost like their their bands that hold the artist's name

1443
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,800
rather than a true solo like Ossie's not right in

1444
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:57,279
the riffs.

1445
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: This is what I was trying to work out, like

1446
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,279
what counts as a solo metal artist because ever counting

1447
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:06,600
it it's de o, Like we've explained why recently, like

1448
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:10,520
like that deal is the greatest ever. But I think

1449
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,680
King Diamond is a very good shout. Otherwise, I was

1450
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,319
struggling to think of any others that I would maybe

1451
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,800
kind of give you out this because I just I'm

1452
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,800
not a personally kind of goes to bat four solo

1453
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:21,560
metal artists.

1454
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I mean, we'll let you contribute again, because

1455
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,079
the ones that we've thrown out around there, I'll come

1456
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:27,439
back to them and which one I think is better

1457
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,840
in a minute. But I will say in terms of

1458
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,439
like a true solo artist, not just a kind of

1459
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,880
artist whose name is the flagship, but someone who actually

1460
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,520
does it all himself. This is where Devin Townsend takes

1461
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:38,800
the lead.

1462
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:42,319
Speaker 2: That is a very good shout like in terms of

1463
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:43,159
like a true.

1464
01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:45,199
Speaker 1: Solo artist, I think you probably have to give a

1465
01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:45,760
nod to him.

1466
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: I think that is the correct answer when you when

1467
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,479
you actually look at the question properly.

1468
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I adore Ozzie Osborne and solar work so much

1469
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,840
like so that's immediately when my brain went and I'm

1470
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:05,079
just yeah, you're right, Randy Rhodes or Zach Wilde or

1471
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:08,960
Jaki Lee or as important to that as Ozzie himself.

1472
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,199
So no thinking like Rob Zombie.

1473
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,039
Speaker 1: I guess you know problem of me. I think we'll

1474
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,920
be in terms of you know, you've got a couple

1475
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,680
of absolute classics, and I think he's generally very consistent

1476
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,720
and likable. I wouldn't have him in contention with the

1477
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,319
number one spot, but I would put him in the

1478
01:12:22,399 --> 01:12:24,079
higher echelons of all time.

1479
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 4: You gotta think Devin. You gotta think off of Kiss,

1480
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:27,520
you know, the big ones.

1481
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I again in terms of like a true like

1482
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:35,199
it actually is entirely his vision. I think it obviously

1483
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:37,159
has to be Devin in terms of just let's just

1484
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,520
widen it, as we said to you, more general solo careers,

1485
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,479
as we kind of understand that even if it's not

1486
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,920
necessarily that guy right in all the music or whatever.

1487
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,359
My my, I go back to my gut and think

1488
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:50,680
which is King Diamond, because you know I loved o solo.

1489
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:53,720
I love Ozzie solo. I don't think either of those

1490
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,359
guys come close to King Diamond's solo work creatively, the

1491
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,399
amount like King Diamond's fifth best album solo not even

1492
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,760
include Mess with Fate is as good as Ossie's best

1493
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,079
No like that. That run of records from the eighties

1494
01:13:07,119 --> 01:13:10,640
to the early nineties is staggeringly good, every single one

1495
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,600
fucking rules. He has way more great albums than like

1496
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,399
Ossie Ordo solo, both of whom I obviously love and

1497
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:22,279
obviously you know their work is high. But you know,

1498
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,840
Abigail and them and the I and so on. I

1499
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,760
think probably are my favorites in contention of what we're

1500
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,880
talking about here, and there's also more of them.

1501
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. Can I change my answer?

1502
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:34,560
And can I say midnight?

1503
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: That's an interesting point, yeah, because I guess well, then

1504
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,079
we then he starts basically including all like one man

1505
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,159
can say, ishn't That's what I was like, could you

1506
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:48,000
say like his sort of solo workers. I can't believe

1507
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,840
I didn't think of that, considering he's like my favorite,

1508
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:50,600
he's a genius.

1509
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: Like I was gonna like, there's actually way more than

1510
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,479
the unison to kind of think again this one again

1511
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,039
tunnel vision on these questions, and.

1512
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it terms what I was saying about Devin Townsen.

1513
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:00,760
I think Issan is one of the few. Then who

1514
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,560
would you know drive and to that realm, I'm gonna

1515
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,279
stick with my answer King Diamond, just because I love

1516
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:08,319
those records. But in terms of a true solo artist,

1517
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:12,880
Ishan and Devin Town's end certainly heavily heavy contenders. So

1518
01:14:13,079 --> 01:14:16,039
there's a fun little question section. Let's as we begin

1519
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,239
to wind this down. First of all, I've got a

1520
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:21,720
very significant announcement for the T and M patrons out

1521
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,760
there because before you know, we enter the summer when

1522
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,199
we have some other different specials and stuff planned out.

1523
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:30,359
We have We've just finished our Black Saber Special. We

1524
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,079
just finished our album club Pack that kind of epilogued

1525
01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:35,119
the Black Cyber Special with the Heaven and Hell album.

1526
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:37,800
But we have another band special that we are going

1527
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,479
to cram in here before summer hits. And seeing as

1528
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,279
right now, not this week actually, but most weeks, it

1529
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:48,159
seems to be the thing that on the release round

1530
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:50,800
up we get a little ep from a metalcore band

1531
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,000
and we go, oh, this is just a band doing that,

1532
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:56,000
isn't it. And it happens every single fucking time, And

1533
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,840
there's millions of them out there, and the band themselves

1534
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:03,239
right now seem to be, you know, kind of returning

1535
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:06,239
creatively for the first time in you know, since they

1536
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:10,359
were first around. We thought that now is the only

1537
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,600
time really to do a poison the well band special

1538
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,960
on that's not metal. We are gonna be giving maybe

1539
01:15:18,079 --> 01:15:20,560
the most pivotal metal core band. So it's up there.

1540
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,359
It's a kind of conversation. We're gonna gonna have the

1541
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,000
full band special treatment. They don't have a lot of albums,

1542
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:29,520
but there will be you know, there's gonna be a

1543
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,920
two part special where we go into everything they did

1544
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,439
in depth. And these two metal core warriors that I

1545
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,840
have here opposite me are gonna be the voices you

1546
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,199
hear on that because you are just gnashing your teeth,

1547
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:51,079
chomping the bit to do such a thing on poison. Well,

1548
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:51,520
is that right?

1549
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this. I mean again, like Part

1550
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,920
one in particular, I mean, these are just two albums

1551
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,239
that I listened to, like at the very least once

1552
01:15:59,319 --> 01:15:59,680
a month.

1553
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's been quite nice, easy listening to the

1554
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:03,720
two of them back to back just for this.

1555
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one where like these two albums, and

1556
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,399
again like Part two might have some of the more

1557
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,119
interesting discussions in the way, because it's the kind of

1558
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:13,600
like less somebody is, the less talks about stuff that

1559
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:14,800
can be more interesting to explore.

1560
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 3: But Part one, man, these two albums, Oh, I can't wait.

1561
01:16:20,279 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just so much my life dedicated to listening

1562
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:29,560
to these two albums anyway, And yeah, I can't wait.

1563
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,279
I can't wait for part two because there's an album

1564
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:37,720
in there that is so underrated. And I will talk

1565
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,399
that you're off anyone about.

1566
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will get to that and it will

1567
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,239
be interesting. But first of all, I will say that

1568
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:46,199
you know poison well. I think maybe are abund that

1569
01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:48,479
a lot of people know by name, but not necessarily

1570
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,399
everyone has gone and done the dive, you know, and

1571
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,000
you know, sometimes that's not a band specials. We go

1572
01:16:54,199 --> 01:16:57,920
for your big guns and sometimes we go into more

1573
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,640
cult bands. So you probably may have heard of but

1574
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,039
maybe you haven't. Actually, you know, done the learning, and

1575
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,000
we aim to be a kind of helpful refource with

1576
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,359
you know, bringing you into stuff like that. So if

1577
01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:14,520
you are someone out there who is interested in basically

1578
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,600
anything that could be remotely called metalcore or metallic harcore

1579
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,560
to have happened in the last twenty five years, but

1580
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,880
you don't know a lot about poison the world, You're curious,

1581
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,920
you don't know where to start. Hopefully this is a

1582
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,439
special that will be of use to you, and it's

1583
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,640
going to be again moving into an area that we

1584
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,840
have covered band in the realm of poison the well

1585
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,239
before we have. It's almost like fitting something like a

1586
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:41,079
jigsaw piece into the timeline that we have picked up

1587
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:45,800
you know, before and after or whatever. But giving a

1588
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,239
very special, very seminal band the proper treatment that they

1589
01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:51,880
deserve ahead of them returned to the UK later this

1590
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,119
year as well, So maybe now's the time to go

1591
01:17:54,359 --> 01:17:55,840
go and learn all the Poison the Well stuff so

1592
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,279
you can go and see them live for the first time.

1593
01:17:57,359 --> 01:18:00,159
There you go. That is going to be coming. The

1594
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:02,039
first part we're going to be doing this weekend. So

1595
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,800
you know, in a few days time, if you go

1596
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,159
over to patron dot com, slash that's not out there

1597
01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:10,159
will be the first part of a two part Poison

1598
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:13,680
the Well special. All the real metal core heads out

1599
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,359
there who love to talk about how what real metal

1600
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:19,840
core is or whatever, this is your call to arms.

1601
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:23,479
Poison the Well coming very very soon indeed. And let's

1602
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:29,840
end this hyper blast with some releases for April the eleventh. Five.

1603
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,079
First of all, there's a new Epocha album, the new

1604
01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:37,159
album Aspiral, the follow up to one of the best

1605
01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:40,520
symphonic metal albums of the last like fuck ten to

1606
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,000
twenty years whatever. Both me and Sam we're huge on

1607
01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:45,960
the last one. Yeah, but I'm a big fan of

1608
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,720
Epacha in general. Again, I don't necessarily have any expectations

1609
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,119
for where this one m might sit in their canon

1610
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:51,319
or whatever. But I'm going to go and find out

1611
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:54,359
because Epacha are always worth Actually, you know of band

1612
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,039
in that realm, they are the one who I think

1613
01:18:56,119 --> 01:18:58,880
are worth every time, kind of yeh, dipping your head

1614
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,840
into soa leading wait there elsewhere we have Cabal with

1615
01:19:02,079 --> 01:19:04,159
Everything Rotts. This is one of the kind of newer

1616
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:06,560
upcoming death core bands who I think we reviewed their

1617
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,880
previous album, but they've got a followup to that one

1618
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,239
out today. If you are wanting more of your kind

1619
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,239
of like garage rock, garage punk kind of you know,

1620
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:16,159
more alternative leaning stuff, we do have something for you

1621
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:18,399
this week. Because there is the new Team Mortgage album

1622
01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:22,800
and a record called Devil Ultrasonic Dream. Then there is

1623
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:25,680
a doom metal band with hints of kind of goth

1624
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,479
and stuff like that that are you know, kind of

1625
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,159
turning a few heads at the moment. They're called Mesa

1626
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:34,600
and their album the spin is out Idle Airs. This

1627
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,399
is kind of like I guess you call it like

1628
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,039
a post metal thing, but it features some members of

1629
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:43,199
Coalesce doing stuff. That record is called Life Is Violence.

1630
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,640
Then you're you know, like Techi progy metal. There's Bent

1631
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:51,119
Thoss with from Nothing, the Avant garde at least once

1632
01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:53,560
in the past. A black metal band in the Woods

1633
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,319
who returned maybe ac decade ago. Now they are returning

1634
01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:01,119
with another album called Ultra. Then we have some more,

1635
01:20:01,159 --> 01:20:04,479
you know to a point black metal mouth Uss releasing Extinct,

1636
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:10,920
and then a UK black metal punk dungeon nastiness thing.

1637
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,279
Do you know the words I'm using and whether that

1638
01:20:13,319 --> 01:20:15,039
appeals to you or not. There's a bat called Final

1639
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:18,600
Doths with a record called Under the Eternal Shadow. Then

1640
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:21,760
in Death Grind there's a putrid, awful great man name

1641
01:20:22,279 --> 01:20:26,479
with obliterated life, Ryoji Shinamoto. This is a guy who's

1642
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,960
in a Japanese metal band whose name escapes me right now,

1643
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:32,680
but he's a guitarist and he's releasing an album called

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Children of Bushido, which is, from what I can gather,

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basically a Japanese style Children of Bodom covers album. So

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it's a he's a shreddy man doing shreddy Children of

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Bodom covers. But there's all like Japanese instruments and just

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samuraiing the fuck out of some Children of Bodom song.

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So if that sounds like it will be fun for you,

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then there it is. Then we've got a few EPs.

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There's one of the you know, kind of long running,

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very obscure, weird heavy metal bands, the Lord Weird Auldfeg

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releasing I guess what must be the first of a

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series of VP's Traveler supplement one the Ephemeral Glades. There's

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a kind of a strained oddity of a project, a

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project called c b ZK which is like a Polish

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kind of industrial hip hop with elements of black metal thing,

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with an EP called D Book two. And then there

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is Angel with two L's maybe Angel, but Angel with

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releasing veiled by Woe and that is Esan's kid putting

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01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,560
his first release out and I think, as you can imagine,

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he has access to some nice studios and stuff like that,

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so it sounds pretty good actually for a first release.

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But you know, there you go. If that's of interest

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to you, neptism, nepotism, there we go. But there you

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have it. That is the releases for this That was

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a nice bumper edition of Hyperblasts as we mourned you

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me at six and just nerded out over some other

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stuff as well. So hope you enjoyed being here with us,

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and we will return obviously shortly We have our Poison

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the Well special coming to the Patreon over this weekend.

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We will be back with reviews. Actually, I think we'll

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be coming after that, where we're gonna be talking about

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the new Death Heaven record, the new Scowl record, a

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bunch of big stuff that's come out that is worth

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talking about, and we will see you there for that,

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So cheers everybody. Bye bye,