WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:03.279 Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:07.599 dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, 3 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:10.800 and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host, 4 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:13.919 Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the 5 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:18.839 world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists, and truth seekers to 6 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:21.359 illuminate the path towards awakening. 7 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:23.039 Here we ask. 8 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:26.280 Questions that truly matter. Why are we here, where are 9 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.839 we going? And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose, 10 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:33.479 and our consciousness to the next level. 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The 21 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:19.480 views opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their 22 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:22.879 own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions 23 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:25.879 of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the 24 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:29.799 companies they represent. Now let's dive in to today's episode. 25 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:32.959 I like to welcome to the show, Don Hoffman. 26 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:33.680 How you doing, Don? 27 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:36.519 Very good? How about you, Alex? Thanks for having me. 28 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:38.439 Thank you so much for coming on the show. 29 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:43.319 My friend. I'm excited to talk to you about simulation theory, 30 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:46.239 which is one of my favorite subjects in the world, 31 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:50.879 to talk about spirituality, consciousness, quantum physics, all of it 32 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.079 kind of mixed in a nice little big soup. So 33 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.120 I'm going to start off with a very easy question. 34 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.359 What is consciousness? 35 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:02.239 One way to think about it is something that psychologists 36 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:09.280 call ostensive definition. Okay, So when you're teaching a eighteen 37 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.000 month old some words for they're just starting to learn words, 38 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.360 what do you do So mom or Dad is sitting 39 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.319 there with you know, Chris, eighteen month old Chris, and 40 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.280 there's a cat on a mat and it's time for 41 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.439 Chris to learn the word cat. And so how do 42 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:28.919 you define the word cat to Chris? Well, what you 43 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:33.919 do is you point at the cat and you say cat, 44 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:39.879 and you then expect your baby Chris to look and 45 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:43.960 get it. And it's a miracle. They do, they look 46 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:46.800 and they get it. Now, it's a miracle because if 47 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.400 you point at the cat on the mat, you could 48 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.400 referring to the ear, the color of the fur, the 49 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.400 texture of the fur, the left paw and the mat, 50 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.360 the nose and the left the pa What is it 51 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.159 that you're referring to, right, And yet they get it. 52 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:11.479 So you're counting on there's some coordination between the parent 53 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:13.840 and the child so that you can just point and 54 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.840 say cat and they get it the first time. And 55 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.879 and so this is called ostensive definition. And for someone 56 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:24.039 who's never tasted cinnamon, how am I going to define 57 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.719 cinnamon to them? The way I'm going to define cinnamon 58 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.120 is I'm going to give them a piece of cinnamon, 59 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.280 say taste it, and they say, my point and say 60 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:35.199 that's cinnamon, and hope they get it right if they 61 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:39.960 So that's how we define everything. We essentially define almost 62 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.639 everything by pointing. Now, in mathematics, of course, once you 63 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:45.520 have a certain number of pointers in mathematics, and then you 64 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.439 can start to do formulas and so forth. But in general, 65 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.879 we all the important stuff in life that we know 66 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.840 about we got it by pointing and then learning by 67 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.680 a sensive definition. So so what I'm going to do 68 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.080 with consciousness is the same thing as the parent does 69 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.039 with the cat. Right. I have to point at something 70 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.520 and say do you get it? And if you get it, 71 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:08.879 you get it, and if you don't, you don't. So 72 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.199 that's how you define these kinds of concepts. So what 73 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:19.959 I can say is pure consciousness. If you sit alone 74 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:23.600 and it's dark, and it's absolutely quiet, and you let 75 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.560 go of all thoughts and you're just aware, you're just 76 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:31.319 sitting there and aware, but not aware of anything, just 77 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:38.800 aware of being aware. That's my pointer to consciousness. And 78 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.199 you either get it or you don't, right, just like 79 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.360 you get cinnamon or rabbit or you don't. That's the point. 80 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.000 Yeah, it's interesting now, because but anyone who's meditated understands that. 81 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.800 If who's meditated deeply or just understand has done it 82 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:55.519 at a certain level, gets that. I mean, I understand 83 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:58.839 exactly what you're saying. But for someone who hasn't meditated, 84 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.959 how can you further point to another aspect of consciousness 85 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:05.000 that they might grab onto. 86 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:09.079 There's consciousness, and then there's the contents of consciousness. If 87 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.920 you want to know consciousness, the contents are easy. If 88 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:13.560 I say, you know the taste of mint, that's a 89 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:17.120 conscious experience. The smell of garlic, that's a conscious experience. 90 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:21.560 Everybody can get that. If you're asking what is consciousness, 91 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.199 then I have to give you little instructions sort of 92 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.279 like if you want to taste what coffee is like, well, 93 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.240 you have to take these coffee beans, grind them up, 94 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.399 put some hot water on them, put it in a 95 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.800 cup and wait until it goes down. Then drink it 96 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.720 and that'll be what we mean by the taste of coffee. 97 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.360 And so there are certain procedures you have to go through. 98 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.240 So for those who've never meditated, I think most people 99 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.360 have had some point in their life where they're silent. 100 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:47.360 But we can do that. If you haven't ever done that, 101 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:50.519 you can just go in a dark room, turn out 102 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:55.680 the lights, avoid all distractions, all sounds, sit there and 103 00:05:55.959 --> 00:06:01.720 let your thoughts go. And when you get to a 104 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.000 space where there are no thoughts, even for just a 105 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.480 second or two, it doesn't have to be a long time. 106 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.639 Just you're sitting there and nothing's going through your head 107 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.600 for just a second or two, and you're just aware 108 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.879 of that. You're aware of the gap. You're aware of 109 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:21.240 that gap, aware of the awareness gap. Then that's what 110 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:24.439 I'm pointing to you by consciousness, that's the direct experience 111 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.839 of it. Now as a scientist, I want to then 112 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.279 go on and do mathematical models. Right, I'm just okay, 113 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:33.439 that's the thing I'm modeling. It's just like if I say, like, 114 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:37.959 for example, in physics, we have Euclidean models of space time, 115 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.439 or we have Einstein's models of space time. Now those 116 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:45.519 are mathematics, right. You know, there's Newton's Euclidean approach, there's 117 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:50.000 Einstein's hyperbolics space time approach. But if you ask me 118 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.040 what is space time? What is space and time? What 119 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:55.759 is space time? I would say, okay, just here's my pointer. 120 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.600 Look around you. There you see walls and furnisure, and 121 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.639 so for what's between you and the walls and the furniture, 122 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:07.160 that emptiness is what we mean by space or space 123 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.560 time in Einstein's So that's going to be my direct 124 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.120 pointer to you to say that's what we mean. And 125 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.600 then you say, but well, that's not euclidion. I mean 126 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:17.519 that there's no numbers. There, there's no hyper I mean, 127 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.800 it's just my experience. Absolutely, your experience of space is 128 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.240 your experience of space. What we do as scientist then 129 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.639 is say, let's attach numbers to that experience and then 130 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.199 see what we can do the And then you might say, well, 131 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.439 but the experience is far deeper than the numbers. Absolutely, 132 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:39.000 the experiences transcends the numbers. And yet what we find 133 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.000 is when we start to assign numbers and structures to 134 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.759 our experiences and start to do mathematics with them, we 135 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:51.120 get we get someplace like Einstein, with his mathematics, predicted 136 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.920 that there are black holes. I mean his mathematics predicted. 137 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.279 He didn't like the prediction, but his mathematics predicted it 138 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.279 even though he didn't like his own prediction. And so 139 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.360 we find that even though the mathematics can only in 140 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:08.160 some sense be a baby step in the direction of 141 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:11.759 the reality that we that I pointed to, right, space 142 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:17.120 or space time, whatever that is, is profound. Our mathematics 143 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.319 is difficult, but it's not It scratches the surface of 144 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:22.800 the profoundity of space time. And the same thing with 145 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.319 our mathematical models of consciousness. So consciousness is very, very 146 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:29.759 deep and profound, and but as scientists we have to 147 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.399 humbly put down and say, well, here's here's my little 148 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:38.080 my next baby step in the science of of of consciousness. 149 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:39.320 Well, let me ask you this. 150 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.360 Then quantum entanglement kind of throws space time out the 151 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:47.519 window to my understanding. Please and please correct me if 152 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.240 I'm wrong with the concept of quantum entanglement. Where there 153 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.600 is two you know, two atoms to neutrons too. I 154 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.519 forgot what the actual two units were. But if one 155 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.279 changes here a thousand miles away, the one is affected. 156 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:06.559 Can you explain that from a mathematical standpoint or is 157 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.000 there even an explanation, because now we're getting into the 158 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.960 spooky physics that Einstein spoke about. 159 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:15.720 So yes, if you have two photons, for example, they 160 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.559 can get entangled, or just two particles, they can be entangled. 161 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.600 Their states can be entangled. And what that means is 162 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:27.799 that if you measure, say the spin of one particle 163 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.320 and the other particle is you know, many many light 164 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:38.679 years away, say that's entangled. You know it instantaneously what 165 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:40.600 the spin of the other one was, even though it's 166 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:44.960 could be millions of light years away, so if it 167 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:46.840 were measured, that's what that is what it would be. 168 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:51.600 And so there's that kind of non local in the 169 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:55.399 sense of Einstein's space time requires that no signal propagates 170 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.720 through space time faster than the speed of light three 171 00:09:57.759 --> 00:09:59.600 hundred thousand kilometers per second roughly. 172 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.799 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 173 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.679 and now back to the show. 174 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.240 And so this is an instantaneous connection, which Einstein didn't like, right, 175 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:19.559 but it turns out that the entanglement is true. It 176 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:23.879 really is true, and as you say, it does show 177 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:26.360 that there are limitations to the structure of space time 178 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.639 as being a fundamental structure. It suggests that as we 179 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.200 probe into physics more deeply, we're going to be looking 180 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:40.559 for things beyond space time. And there's another pointer in 181 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:44.360 that direction, and that is that Einstein's own equations, together 182 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:48.679 with those of quantum theory, so it's gravitational theory and 183 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:53.960 quantum theory together entail that space time ceases to have 184 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:58.120 any operational meaning at at about ten to the minus 185 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.679 thirty three centimeters ten to the minus forty three seconds. 186 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.080 But it means that if you try to use space 187 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:09.919 time any further, you get nonsense. It just no experimental wall, 188 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.159 and you run into a wall. You run into a wall. 189 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.600 So space time and as not ten to the minus 190 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.440 thirty three trillion centimeters, it's just ten to the minus 191 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.559 thirty three centimeters. So we run into that wall where 192 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.799 spacetime ceases to have any operational meaning at just ten 193 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:29.120 to the minus thirty three centimeters. So many physicists now 194 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.000 are saying space time is doomed. Like David Gross, who 195 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.679 won the Nobel Prize for his work on quantum chromodynamics, 196 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.000 Amar Kanie Mettius at the Institute for Event Study, and 197 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:43.200 many others have been saying, I think to them, it's 198 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:47.480 just obvious. These are again all high energy theoretical physicists. 199 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:51.200 Physics is a very very broad field. The physicists who 200 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.159 are saying space time is doomed are the experts in 201 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.840 this particular area of physics who are the gurus of 202 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:01.879 space time. High energy theore there's sort of the gurus 203 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.000 of space time, and they're the ones that say it's over. 204 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:06.360 We're looking for a deeper structure, and they're by the way, 205 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:08.120 they're finding some We can talk about that if you want. 206 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:09.679 They're finding instructure, So. 207 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:12.799 That that was my next question is because space time 208 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:18.559 is fundamental or was fundamental to our experience of this universe. 209 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.360 I mean, between here and the moon, there is space, 210 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.600 and it takes time to travel through that space. That's 211 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.120 just fundamental in this materialistic world that we're. 212 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:30.600 In right now. 213 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.039 But now with quantum physics, it seems that the physics 214 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.720 community in general is starting to there's so much evidence. 215 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.279 Before it was a little bit here and there, but 216 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.840 now the evidence is piling up so high that they 217 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.600 can't ignore it anymore, and they're just like, no, this 218 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.000 is over. We need to start looking for other areas. 219 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:53.080 And from my understanding, they're starting to open themselves up 220 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:58.720 to not to the word spirituality, but they're opening up 221 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:02.039 to things that just didn't would never even been spoken 222 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.919 about fifty years ago, twenty years ago even, And they're 223 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.480 opening up to these ideas like consciousness. Having a conversation 224 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:14.399 with the scientists about consciousness is fairly new, would you agree, Well. 225 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.120 Yes, when I was a graduate student, it wasn't a 226 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.639 kosher for us to talk about I was interested in it, 227 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.279 but I knew I shouldn't talk about it. 228 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.039 Don't ask it in class don't ask that question in class, that's. 229 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.879 Right now, that would show that you weren't a serious 230 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.879 scientist or thinker. But yeah, many high energy theoretical physicists 231 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:35.200 are now saying we need to look beyond space time. Now. 232 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:42.759 Most of them are looking for mathematical structures beyond space time, 233 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:49.720 and they may have spiritual ideas as well, but there 234 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:53.440 is actual rigorous work by these physicists being done where 235 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:57.519 they're saying, Okay, space time is not fundamental. We need 236 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:01.440 deeper structures beyond space time that then project back down 237 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:04.559 to space time and give us back the physics that 238 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.000 we know inside space time as a special case of 239 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.799 a deeper physics. And they're finding they're succeeding in finding 240 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:15.080 these new structures, so it's really quite impressive what they're doing. 241 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.240 They found something called the amplitudhedron, which allows them to 242 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.000 compute scattering amplitudes. But like when particles smash into each 243 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.080 other at the large hadron colider and then go spraying out, 244 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:27.600 they look for the probability amplitudes for all those things happening. 245 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.039 And when you do it inside space time, the math 246 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.960 is mess hundreds of pages, like two glu on smashing 247 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.200 into each other. Four glu on spad spraying out or 248 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.120 six glow on sprang out hundreds of pages of algebra 249 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.840 for one event, hundreds of pages of algebra to compute 250 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.200 the probability for one event. Do it outside of space 251 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.240 time three or four terms you can compute by hand, 252 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.399 and then you see new symmetries. So what they're discovering 253 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:50.639 is if you let go of space time. I mean, 254 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.879 space time is very useful, right, we use it all 255 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.399 the time. I mean that's very very useful. But it's 256 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:00.399 got limits ten to the minus thirty three cent readers 257 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.120 and it's over. And when you then say, well, are 258 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:08.000 there new structures not curled up inside space time? Not 259 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:09.799 like string three, where these things are curled up inside 260 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.720 extra dimensions of space time. Utterly outside of space time. 261 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:15.919 We have to think outside of space time. And you 262 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:17.879 might go, well, how in the world can you do that, 263 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:23.080 And here's how you do it. Space time, I'll suggest, 264 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:26.600 is just a VR headset. We're using it as a 265 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:30.039 VR headset. And what science has been doing we thought 266 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.360 we were st getting a theory of everything. We thought 267 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:36.000 we were studying the final we're closing in on the 268 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.480 theory of everything. What we've discovered is all this time 269 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.600 we thought we were just going after the final reality. 270 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.639 We were just studying our headset. We got really good 271 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.279 at figuring out our headset, so good that then we 272 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:54.519 figured out, holy smoke, space time is just a headset. 273 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.840 It's not the truth, it's not the final reality. And 274 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:01.639 so now now that we have all these tools, the 275 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:06.799 rigors of science, no dogmatism, give me mathematical theories, make 276 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:11.679 hard predictions, we go test them, no nonsense. That's brand new, 277 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:15.559 like since Galileo roughly that we've had those credible tools 278 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.320 and using those tools, they're so powerful that they told 279 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.559 us that we're wrong about space time. We thought it 280 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.120 was the final reality, and our own science told us, 281 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:30.799 you're wrong. It's only a headset. So now we are. 282 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:32.960 But now we have the tools, and so we can 283 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:35.440 use those tools and step outside the headset. We can 284 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:38.759 take the headset off, not literally because we're sort of 285 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.600 saddled with this headset we need, but because we have 286 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.720 mathematical tools and we can do experiments, we can, as 287 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.519 scientists move outside the headset and start to find these 288 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.519 new structures like the decorator permutations and the amplitohedron and 289 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.600 other structures that they're finding. So and this is only 290 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.879 in the last ten years, only in the last ten 291 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:01.600 years that these new structures have been found outside where 292 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.879 we really say, okay, we have to go outside space time. 293 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:06.240 Hints of it. There's something in two thousand and five. 294 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.400 They're something called the BCFW recursion relations that ed Written 295 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.440 and his collaborators discovered, which were the big, big clue 296 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.279 about these new structures outside space time. But we really, 297 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.119 in some sense the real big first step was in 298 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:25.039 twenty thirteen twenty fourteen with the publication of the amplitudhedron 299 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:28.319 by Neimar Khaniehmet and his collaborators. So that's less than 300 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.240 ten years. So this is all brand new stuff. And 301 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.160 most physicists who are not high energy theoretical physicists don't 302 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.079 know about this. They just don't know because this is 303 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.200 a special branch of physics that focuses on this. So 304 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:41.720 most quantum theorists don't. 305 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.319 Know this, right, So that was my next question is 306 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:46.920 that there is from my understanding, there's physicists and then 307 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.279 there's quantum physicists, and many times neither of the two 308 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:54.480 shall meet because they are once really locked into more materialism, 309 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:58.720 which is you know, older dogma like this is just 310 00:17:58.759 --> 00:17:59.960 the way it is for the last four or five 311 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.759 hundred years. And then when quantum physics showed up, they 312 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:05.559 they were like, no, no, no, we can't, we can't 313 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.720 go into that world because it's going to disprove all 314 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.559 this stuff that we just know is real. And now 315 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.680 it seems that there's even something higher than. 316 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.799 Quantum physics, is what you're talking about, all these. 317 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.519 Other things that they're discovering at this other branch of 318 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:21.440 physics that is really working within quantum physics or at 319 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:25.519 least aiming towards it, but it's it's at least moving 320 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.319 it had quantum physics haven't even moved in eighty or 321 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:30.200 ninety years. 322 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:32.319 Really, is that? Is that a fair statement? 323 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.519 Well, the of course, there's the foundations were laid long ago, 324 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.400 and then we got to with Fineman and his and 325 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:45.759 his you know contemporaries, we got quantum field theory. But 326 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.759 now what what what Many of the high energy theoretical 327 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.119 physicists are saying, like like Nemar Kneyhamed are saying that 328 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.640 not only is space time doing, but quantum theory is don't. 329 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:58.480 It's not fundamental either. It's not deep enough. And and 330 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.039 what what he's looking for, and what many of them 331 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:04.160 are looking for now, is a deeper framework in which space, 332 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:10.119 time and quantum theory emerged together, joined together. And here's 333 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.160 the idea. Is this if you when you look at 334 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.599 quantum theory. Well, this is one idea. Now, what I'm 335 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:17.559 about to say is my idea. I'm not putting this 336 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:23.079 on anybody else. Okay, so this is well. I would 337 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.720 say that Robert Specken's who's a physicist, is saying something 338 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:27.559 very similar. But again, I'm not going to tire in 339 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.079 front of these guys, you know, So if anything I 340 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.240 say is stupid, it's on me, not on these guys. Okay, 341 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.559 what I'm saying, And but I think that many other 342 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:42.079 physicists would would agree, like Chris Fuchs who's cubism interpretations, 343 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.680 is that all the weirdness of quantum theory, so the 344 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:51.640 no cloning theorem, entanglement, superposition, and many of these properties 345 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:57.880 are simply due to incomplete information. 346 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:06.079 Be right back after a word from our sponsor, and 347 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:07.240 now back to the show. 348 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:13.039 And that ties into this headset idea. If all is 349 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.519 space time is just a headset. What a headset only 350 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:19.079 gives you incomplete information about what you're interacting with, right, 351 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.559 Like when you play virtual reality games. I'm playing Grand 352 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.400 theft thought on virtuality? What is the reality that I'm 353 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:29.119 interacting with? Well, it's some supercomputer. How much information does 354 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.119 my head my headset give you about that supercomputer? Not much. 355 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.519 It's lost a ton of There's this whole complicated universe 356 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:39.160 out there that I'm really interacting with, and I have 357 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.079 no clue about that. If I'm a typical VR user, 358 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.680 I have no clue about the gigabytes of software and 359 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:49.160 the diodes and resistors and the voltages and magnetic fields 360 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.319 that are all I have no idea about that. I'm 361 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.599 just turning a steering wheel and hitting the gas pedal 362 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:58.480 and that's all I see. So so quantum mechanics, all 363 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.680 the weirdness of quantum mechanics is just the symptom of 364 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.160 the fact that it's tied to space time and space 365 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.119 time as a headset, and the headset loses information just 366 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.279 that simple. So that's all the weird. So there's nothing 367 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:15.720 really deep about the weirdness of econom mechanics except to say, well, 368 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.680 you thought that you saw the truth, and you don't 369 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:20.599 you see a headset which is giving you a veneer 370 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:27.359 like a veneer sure over this complicated reality beyond it, Well, 371 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:28.400 it's up to. 372 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:31.119 But it's basically what's going on now. 373 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.440 So if you take your headset off the reality we 374 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.839 live in, there is so much more information in this 375 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.880 room then can be jammed into that little that little 376 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:43.200 headset that I have on. And if I walk out 377 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:46.079 my door, then nature and this and you look up 378 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:49.640 and there's so much processing power that would be needed 379 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.160 to render all of this, which then brings me to 380 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.880 my next question. I would love to hear your theory 381 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.519 on simulation theory that we are all in this quote 382 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:04.079 unquote matrix simulation. What is your theory behind that? 383 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.240 So Nick Bostrom and others are quite famous for this 384 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.799 kind of theory and the assumption I should spell it 385 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:15.519 out just a little bit what version I'm talking about. 386 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.519 They typically will say, you know that you and I 387 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.599 and the world we see around us, we think it's 388 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.440 the truth, but it really isn't. It's just there's some 389 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:28.839 computer programmer, some pimply head kid with their laptop in 390 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.640 another reality that has programmed this all up and we're 391 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.799 just a simulation in their little laptop. But then you 392 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:40.920 can recurse that back. But that pimply head programmer is 393 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:44.319 not the final reality, because there's another pimpley head programmer yet, 394 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.079 a deeper reality with their laptop that's programming them. So 395 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:48.799 we can go this all the way back, and you 396 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.119 go all the way back, there's funny some laptop and 397 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.920 some programmer at the fundamental reality. That's the start of 398 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.799 this whole thing. So probably say the probability that worth 399 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.039 the base, given that there could be thousands of these, 400 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:01.359 probably that what are the ones at the base is zero, 401 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.799