Speaker 1: But I will thank you. Dan. We've known each other
Speaker 1: for a while and it's good we can connect dud
Speaker 1: life this and you know, it's good to make a
Speaker 1: record of a lot of this stuff, absolutely a lot of
Speaker 1: our experiences, because when we're gone, that history goes with us.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately if we don't record it. I've always felt that
Speaker 1: there is no story that should not be recorded. It
Speaker 1: should not be lost to history. That's the definite thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got into this. I've been I'm an
Speaker 1: old monster hunter. I call myself a monster hunter. I
Speaker 1: track them sometimes and I like tracking monsters, and I've
Speaker 1: been doing this well over now half a century and
Speaker 1: it's never got old. I enjoy it. I enjoy all
Speaker 1: aspects of the paranormal and the supernatural. I began active
Speaker 1: investigation when I was about the age of fifteen years old.
Speaker 1: That year I had a paranormal experience that where I
Speaker 1: saw actually saw three spirits, spiritual beings, and that kind
Speaker 1: of looked the fire under me to understand this other
Speaker 1: side of the universe that we can't see, how the
Speaker 1: unseen effects was seen, which is why later on I
Speaker 1: became a doctor of metaphysics to understand a lot of this,
Speaker 1: but it little fire under me, all those years ago fire,
Speaker 1: it's still burning, burning hotter than it ever has before. Actually,
Speaker 1: the older I get, the more interested, the more I
Speaker 1: know that. Definitely, my time is running getting shorter, and
Speaker 1: I want to know more. So investigation has stepped up
Speaker 1: a few rungs from me, definitely. But at the very
Speaker 1: early age of fifteens when I began active, I've always
Speaker 1: been interested. I can't remember your time when you know,
Speaker 1: I was a monster kid. I had to watch the
Speaker 1: monster movies. When I was a kid, I watched, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the old Universal movies and Universal Studio
Speaker 1: movies and stuff like that. I remember my teachers getting
Speaker 1: on to me when I was very young about watching
Speaker 1: all the monster movies, and they said, you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: that scare you? Doesn't it give you a nightmareas you though?
Speaker 1: And I said, well, no, no, I like it, you know,
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. And I said, and you know, but
Speaker 1: even as a child, I kind of knew in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind that what gave me sort of
Speaker 1: you know, comfort with that thing, was that I didn't
Speaker 1: really believe all of this stuff. Of course, what I
Speaker 1: was seeing was made up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I knew that, A part of me knew that, although
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, but I put it on the back
Speaker 1: of the legist book I'm coming out with pretty soon.
Speaker 1: I put a little thing on the back that says
Speaker 1: that shows a little boy watching TV, watching monster movies
Speaker 1: on TV, and this is what he says, and this
Speaker 1: is sort of amorrow I've lived by. It says that
Speaker 1: when you are a child, you believe that monsters are ill,
Speaker 1: then you go up to find out they really are.
Speaker 1: And that's my experience with it, definitely, and throughout the years,
Speaker 1: I have tracked many different types of beings. I have
Speaker 1: been on the trail of wear wolves. I have been
Speaker 1: on the trail of vampires. I've hunted them. I've actually
Speaker 1: looked for the wampus cat. I've looked full the shadow,
Speaker 1: all the different types of cryptids that are out there.
Speaker 1: I've been from West Virginia down to Alabama looking into
Speaker 1: these things. Matter of fact, I can see the Appalachian
Speaker 1: Mountains from my front door, so I have always been
Speaker 1: in this region and it is a fascinating It is
Speaker 1: one of my absolute favorite places in the world because
Speaker 1: it has so much superstition, so much so many legends
Speaker 1: and stories and cryptids and all this other stuff that's
Speaker 1: involved with it. But at the age I remember the
Speaker 1: very first case that I had that I actually physically
Speaker 1: investigated when I was fifteen years old, and it was
Speaker 1: a werewolf siding. Werewolves are some of my favorite cryptids, definitely.
Speaker 1: I have studied them extensively over the years, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you a couple of stories related to
Speaker 1: that few minutes here. Interesting thing is that the one
Speaker 1: that I investigated at that time turned out to be
Speaker 1: something I think from a bottle more or less, but
Speaker 1: it did still disappoint me. It made me more and
Speaker 1: over more and more about these things. And as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, where the town that I am born
Speaker 1: in where I live now actually had a where wolf
Speaker 1: siding back in the nineteen forties, very famous where wolf
Speaker 1: siding that made national and international headlines as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, and I have been involved in that over
Speaker 1: the years, looking more and deeper into that that case
Speaker 1: as well. But unfortunately that where wolf has never put
Speaker 1: in an appearance. I'm waiting for him. I hope you
Speaker 1: will one day. I hope he comes back. But anyway,
Speaker 1: over the all thesey decades I have. I've gone by
Speaker 1: civil rules of my own. Comes to monster hunting, the
Speaker 1: number one rule is as the hunter, you never want
Speaker 1: to become the hunted, and you've got to be very
Speaker 1: careful about that. I enjoy going through the woods, looking
Speaker 1: on the trail or something. I enjoy tracking things. You know,
Speaker 1: and most of the time you will not have clear tracks.
Speaker 1: We call that a track line. Sometimes you want to
Speaker 1: have a clear track line, but you still see things.
Speaker 1: You may see a boking, blank branch, or some disturbed
Speaker 1: grass or leaves. You can still track something like if
Speaker 1: you know how to do it, and if you're washing
Speaker 1: in variousue, but you've got to be very close to
Speaker 1: your environment and you've got to kind of know what
Speaker 1: it is you're looking for. When I tell a lot
Speaker 1: of want to be monster hunters, something that's very important
Speaker 1: that they should remember. You need to have a plan
Speaker 1: in place if you do find the monster. Am I,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm gonna do with that? Or you know
Speaker 1: they don't have that plan, but you need And another
Speaker 1: rule of monster hunting is you definitely need to know
Speaker 1: what it is you're looking for. You need to know
Speaker 1: everything about it. It's nuances the tracks image and whatever
Speaker 1: the situation is. And also of course you need to
Speaker 1: know how to protect yourself against should you actually find
Speaker 1: this monster. And I remember very distinctly been many years ago.
Speaker 1: I was with two Cherokee brothers in the mountains of
Speaker 1: North Carolina one night. It was almost night, all nightfall,
Speaker 1: and we had been tracking what we thought that day
Speaker 1: was the wampus cat. Now, the wampus cat is a
Speaker 1: very unusual sort of mountain lion looking cryptid. It is
Speaker 1: very large, though bigger than an average round line. Here's
Speaker 1: the interesting part about it's supposed to have six legs.
Speaker 1: And so what we were we were tracking what we
Speaker 1: thought this thing was. That's what we were looking for. Okay,
Speaker 1: we didn't know that it was something else all together different,
Speaker 1: But we never got any clear tracks on it. We
Speaker 1: didn't have a clear track line, although there was still
Speaker 1: you know, a way of track. And they were excellent trackers.
Speaker 1: They were. They were two brothers, I think think or
Speaker 1: cousin something like that. They were kin to each other.
Speaker 1: But they were excellent trackers. They're good friends of mine.
Speaker 1: They both passed on now, but they were they were
Speaker 1: great trackers. And we were it was getting dark and
Speaker 1: Finally we got a clear track line down by next shoe,
Speaker 1: a creek that was running down through a haller that
Speaker 1: was down in there. And so we noticed something very
Speaker 1: strange about these tracks. And they got kind of quiet.
Speaker 1: They were, you know, I wouldn't say they were real talkative,
Speaker 1: because you don't need to be that way in the woods,
Speaker 1: especially when you're tracking something. But they got very quiet,
Speaker 1: more quiet than usual. And they began to slow down
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I noticed this, but I didn't
Speaker 1: say anything. I didn't know if maybe they were getting
Speaker 1: tired or what, you know. And so, uh, as we
Speaker 1: went on, I got to looking at these tracks. I
Speaker 1: got a clearer look at them, and I looked at
Speaker 1: one of the brothers and I said, that's not my
Speaker 1: line like tracks. That's not cat tracks. And they said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not kind you know, they say, agreed with me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not cat tracks. And what we were looking at
Speaker 1: was on four You could tell it was, you know,
Speaker 1: on four legs. It was on four feet going down
Speaker 1: through there. And as the track line went along, I
Speaker 1: noticed something very strange. It began to look like it
Speaker 1: was walking through legs and stead of forward. And that's
Speaker 1: when we stopped. It was like getting dark and I
Speaker 1: don't remember, I remember very well. It was getting kind
Speaker 1: of dark and there was you know, swarms back over
Speaker 1: the mountains. We could see lighting around as there was
Speaker 1: no rain yet, but it was, you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was sort of a mode of muggy fall day.
Speaker 1: I remember that well. We could see through the woods
Speaker 1: pretty good leaves had not completely all fallen on, but
Speaker 1: there had been a good many a good pretty leaf fall.
Speaker 1: And I got looking at So I looked at one
Speaker 1: of the brothers and I said, this is weird because
Speaker 1: this thing started. I said, is it running? Because you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes an animal where it runs makes different kind of tracks.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they won't. Actually, and bars are very bad about this, bears,
Speaker 1: and I've run into a lot of them over the years.
Speaker 1: Bears will sometimes step in their own tracks. That's just
Speaker 1: the way a barr is, these kind of lumbers around.
Speaker 1: He does that. I consider the bear that would be
Speaker 1: the real king of the far. We got to respect
Speaker 1: those guys. They will eat anything, and I do anything.
Speaker 1: But this was not bear tracks. This was something else.
Speaker 1: And I said, I got to look at I said,
Speaker 1: this looks like a big dog, or or almost like
Speaker 1: wolf tracks, but it still did not look like Ashu
Speaker 1: wool wolf tracks. And at that time there weren't there weren't.
Speaker 1: I don't think any wolves left in the mountain. They
Speaker 1: have been, they have been programs that they put the woolves,
Speaker 1: I think the red wolves back in the North Carolina mountains,
Speaker 1: but they weren't at that time. This has been many
Speaker 1: years ago. And I said, this is a big dog
Speaker 1: or what is this? And the one of the boys
Speaker 1: looked at me and he said. He had a funny
Speaker 1: look on his face and he said, this is not
Speaker 1: a dog. It's not that. And that's when the other
Speaker 1: brothers said something to Turkey and I said, what do
Speaker 1: you And he had a look at you again, funny
Speaker 1: look on and say she said look. He said, we
Speaker 1: didn't shine up to go with you to track any
Speaker 1: kind of a damn werewolf out here, and that's what
Speaker 1: this is a werewolf and we're leaving now. And h
Speaker 1: I said, okay, well that's the case that that I'll
Speaker 1: probably have to leave with you. I'm not gonna stand
Speaker 1: here all in the dark. But this so that was
Speaker 1: very interesting, and uh, it made an impression on me.
Speaker 1: What where are we tracking the day, and whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and here's here's a little side note on the story.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was had been playing with us all day.
Speaker 1: It was like playing a cat, a cat and mouse
Speaker 1: game with us. Uh. It would slow down, and it
Speaker 1: would hurry up, she would speed up.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was like it was playing us and leading us
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper into in the woods there. And that
Speaker 1: was kind of strange and that kind of made me
Speaker 1: feel kind of suspicious too about this thing. What was
Speaker 1: it up to? And here's the thing about the werewolf. Okay,
Speaker 1: and uh, I've done I've done a lot of lectures
Speaker 1: and stuff on werewolves, have stood in them a lot
Speaker 1: over the years, and I think I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: the story shortly, but one I think I may have
Speaker 1: actually seen. But the werewolf the most dangerous aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Of all the cryptids that you may run into, the
Speaker 1: werewolf definitely has a very beastual, huge body of very muscular,
Speaker 1: very deadly kind of a beast. But the most deadly
Speaker 1: part of the werewolf was the fact that it has
Speaker 1: the mind of a man. That makes it more dangerous
Speaker 1: than anything you could ever a bossily run into. Most
Speaker 1: of the now and and this thing was like that.
Speaker 1: It was like leading us on. He was having a
Speaker 1: it was playing with us. That's what he basically was.
Speaker 1: And so when they left, I left with them and
Speaker 1: that was the that was the end of that tracking episode.
Speaker 1: But that was very strange. They both had and they
Speaker 1: both kind of you know, they kind of turned pale
Speaker 1: and said, we're not going to do this. This is it,
Speaker 1: We're leaving. Uh. And these guys they weren't whims. I mean,
Speaker 1: they there were really men man or amen. They wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna rhyme for him anything. But when they ran into this,
Speaker 1: they changed their minds very quickly, because you like I do.
Speaker 1: And I found out later that the werewolf is an
Speaker 1: apex killer. It is psychotic in the way that it
Speaker 1: tracks people down. Once it gets your set, and I
Speaker 1: do mean that literally, once it gets your set, it
Speaker 1: will never stop until it takes care of you one
Speaker 1: way or the other. And most of the time you
Speaker 1: do not live that. Somebody asked me the other day,
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Carl, why aren't there that many werewolf
Speaker 1: sightings on record. There's very one good reason why, because
Speaker 1: no one ever lives most of the time to give
Speaker 1: one to give any kind of report on them. That's
Speaker 1: the werewolf. It doesn't usually leave you alive, you know.
Speaker 1: I've talked about this over the years about what dog
Speaker 1: Man and werewolves, and the one important thing about dog Man,
Speaker 1: and I may have spotted him to on occasion, the
Speaker 1: one thing about dog Man is that he is dog
Speaker 1: Man twenty four to seven. That's the way he always remains.
Speaker 1: He's part of the animal kingdom. In some ways. The
Speaker 1: werewolf is different. The werewolf is made up of demonic
Speaker 1: type energy, darkness. It is something that is very supernatural,
Speaker 1: and yet it exists physically also at the same time
Speaker 1: in our reality. But the werewolf, if it gets on
Speaker 1: your trail, it's never gonna cut you a break. It's
Speaker 1: gonna get you. And if you ever live through an
Speaker 1: actual werewolf sighting or experience, you are incredibly, incredibly lucky.
Speaker 1: Somebody's going to have for you, definitely, because the werewolf
Speaker 1: will not usually let you go. And there's an old
Speaker 1: saying I think in Europe about the werewolf that he
Speaker 1: will hunt you down by night and when sun rises
Speaker 1: there will not be anything left of you to be seen.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is very interesting.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know what about Bigfoot, one thing you
Speaker 3: mentioned about the werewolf, and and you know how it's
Speaker 3: more of a demonic thing, you know, also physical the
Speaker 3: same realm uh. Some people believe that Bigfoot is also
Speaker 3: both physical and could be also spiritual as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you see Bigfoot in the same manner?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there may be some actual connection to that. Because
Speaker 1: the big Foot shotting that I had, and I had
Speaker 1: started him several times over the years, way off of
Speaker 1: the distance or through the woods, it wasn't what I
Speaker 1: call a cling siding. You know, you couldn't as I
Speaker 1: could see him, but I couldn't. Literally I got a
Speaker 1: lot of features on him. I knew what he was though.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a bear. I mean I spotted bear anytimes.
Speaker 1: What you saw was a bad Oh no, no, it
Speaker 1: wasn't that. I know what a bear looks like, and
Speaker 1: that's what it comes to see with a wolf or werewolves. Actually,
Speaker 1: when you saw, people saw that was a bear. Bears
Speaker 1: do not have pointed ears. Bears have rounded light. Here
Speaker 1: you can tell that the different profile of a bear
Speaker 1: compared to that. But the big Foot siding I had,
Speaker 1: when I finally actually had a close up siding out,
Speaker 1: it h was very dramatic that way. I had two
Speaker 1: guys with me that night, and we were doing that
Speaker 1: what they do when the flush of mandine tigers. I
Speaker 1: was jungle. I sent one guy on the left of
Speaker 1: me way down in the woods, and I sent the
Speaker 1: other guy on the right of me way down. It
Speaker 1: was I stayed in the middle and I stayed out there.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on a loll that night. It was dark.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, nobody really realizes unless you go
Speaker 1: out and I was like you and I do definitely
Speaker 1: how very very dark it can be out there, especially
Speaker 1: when there's no moon, and there was no moon. But
Speaker 1: I was watching and scanning the forest with where they
Speaker 1: you know, mock here. That was a night vision scope
Speaker 1: and if you've ever used once a long period of time,
Speaker 1: they will begin to hurt your eye a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I was casting when hed Hi
Speaker 1: I heard him coming up sliding and it was not
Speaker 1: very loud, because this guy is excellent at the movement
Speaker 1: that he moved, the way he moved through the woods
Speaker 1: and everything. But I heard it. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was. I thought it was one of the guys.
Speaker 1: What really I was thinking about it. Amabe one of
Speaker 1: those guys coming back, and that kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: ticked me off because he wasn't supposed to be coming
Speaker 1: back right now, you know, So I kind of I
Speaker 1: stood up. In the moment I stood up, I put
Speaker 1: the monocular to my eye, and that's when I saw him.
Speaker 1: He was maybe the moment I stood up, I could
Speaker 1: have reached out and I actually touched him. That's how
Speaker 1: close I was to it. I could smell him. I
Speaker 1: could almost even feel the heat off of his body
Speaker 1: and was a hot, muggy song, you know. I could
Speaker 1: almost feel that off of he and the expressions fast
Speaker 1: is he kind of turned th me and what he was.
Speaker 1: He was going through some false aplings in front of us.
Speaker 1: They maybe were maybe five six foot highs, and he
Speaker 1: didn't moved on one of them was moving, you know,
Speaker 1: and he as he went out, had brushed it. And
Speaker 1: he was going towards a very large white tree that
Speaker 1: was there. I mean very large. He was so large
Speaker 1: I could not put my arms all the way around
Speaker 1: this tree. It was huge, and it was at least
Speaker 1: with three hundred year old luke definitely. Anyway, he's going
Speaker 1: towards that and was about to step behind it. When
Speaker 1: he looked back at me, well, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: You know, he has sort of a surprised look. Say,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I had one on my face too, and
Speaker 1: we were like, oh god, you know. And I was
Speaker 1: still looking through the ocutor and I couldn't, you know,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to take it down because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to see him. And I was still
Speaker 1: looking through the monocular at him, and that's when he
Speaker 1: kind of looked at me and just like and it
Speaker 1: was a it was a very strange expression. It was like,
Speaker 1: what are you in here? You know, You're the last
Speaker 1: thing I need. It kind of kind of you know,
Speaker 1: checked him off a little bit. I think because I
Speaker 1: was there, he didn't like it. Put it that way.
Speaker 1: I got the feelings on that. And it was it
Speaker 1: was not ape looking like a lot of people think
Speaker 1: big wood. It was not. It didn't appear to me
Speaker 1: as being more ape feature like, but he had he
Speaker 1: was a different feature than a man would be. He
Speaker 1: I've tried to find some pictures over the years. I'm
Speaker 1: not that good at painting and drawing, but I've tried
Speaker 1: to find pictures of the years. They got very close
Speaker 1: to what you know I saw that none just from
Speaker 1: my own recollection of it. But why I want to
Speaker 1: say this. While looking through that monocular, I noticed something
Speaker 1: very strange about it, and I thought about I didn't
Speaker 1: a lot at the time. I didn't even know I
Speaker 1: registered it, but didn't, you know, pursue it until later
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about this experience. What it was
Speaker 1: he mcame. The image of him was like fuzzy like
Speaker 1: around the edges. And I'm not gonna say he was
Speaker 1: some de materializing. I'm not gonna go that route. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but it may have been in the effect
Speaker 1: of the monocular, uh you know not and thing only
Speaker 1: on the very fur the reflection office fur something that
Speaker 1: could have been that. I can't really say for sure
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, but let me tell you this. The
Speaker 1: moment he stepped behind that line, open and all thinking
Speaker 1: that we didn't even want to run business, and I
Speaker 1: said no, I was running towards him. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see more of it. I was close enough I could
Speaker 1: have reached out and grabbed him. I was that close
Speaker 1: to him and I and as he went in behind
Speaker 1: that lie oak, I followed immediately. I went around it
Speaker 1: and went behind and he was gone completely, and I
Speaker 1: could see down through the woods. I was looking for
Speaker 1: him and oot everywhere could There's no way he could
Speaker 1: have walked off down through those woods without me seeing
Speaker 1: the trail that did with behind. There was no way
Speaker 1: he gonness. I looked up the tree. Was he up
Speaker 1: in the tree? I looked around. Was there been a
Speaker 1: hole around here or something? I searched. A matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I went back the next day and and looked all
Speaker 1: around there. There was there some kind of hole, some
Speaker 1: kind of hidden trap door. To this day I can
Speaker 1: tell you, not tell you where he went when he
Speaker 1: un but he just was not there in my reality anymore, definitely,
Speaker 1: because if he had been, I would have been able
Speaker 1: to see him. I was that close enough to him.
Speaker 1: And the most interesting thing about this sighting was the
Speaker 1: next day when I went back, I saw I remember
Speaker 1: a limb over his head, and I measured that limb
Speaker 1: and it came out as something like around eight foot
Speaker 1: seven at least. He was very muscular, but he was
Speaker 1: very lean muskuyar. He wasn't built like a bodybuilder kind
Speaker 1: of musclelike you know what you see in a lot
Speaker 1: of these depictions of Bigfoot. He was very lean, but
Speaker 1: very muscular. Still a muscular, but kind of lean, and
Speaker 1: his movements were very fluid. He was not, you know,
Speaker 1: like a bear. Bears can be kind of lumbering, They
Speaker 1: can kind of be hard to move. He was very
Speaker 1: fluid coming through those saplings. Let me put it this way.
Speaker 1: He came through those saplings better than an indigenous person
Speaker 1: would be. That's how I mean. He came through those
Speaker 1: so quietly and everything. I was just very incredibly lucky
Speaker 1: to see him at the beginning to know it was that,
Speaker 1: because I thought it was one of those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: I want everything, And there had been no clue that
Speaker 1: he was there, but we had flushed him out. That's
Speaker 1: what had happened. He came back up the middle and
Speaker 1: didn't know that I was there waiting on him in
Speaker 1: the middle of it. But to this day I cannot
Speaker 1: tell you where you went.
Speaker 3: I do not know.
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is these things do, like the
Speaker 1: Old Man some other crypt is, have a spiritual side
Speaker 1: to them. It would not surprise me at all. But
Speaker 1: like I said, for me, the jury is still out.
Speaker 1: I keep wanting to see more of him. I want
Speaker 1: to track him and find him I want to experience
Speaker 1: more of him. I could tell you more about it,
Speaker 1: but the mystery for me is only deepened more. Where
Speaker 1: did he go? How did he do that? Did he
Speaker 1: walk into the tree? I mean, where did he go?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: To me is the most puzzling part of this holy incident? Nice? Nice?
Speaker 3: So how do your research do you feel? Is it
Speaker 3: more towards the dog man or the werewolf cryptids that
Speaker 3: you feel that you are more attracted to rather than Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Or how do you see yourself in that way?
Speaker 1: Well? Can I look for anything out there like that?
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the interesting thing that it always came
Speaker 1: home to me when I very first experienced my first
Speaker 1: actual encounter with a supernatural being. And I think there
Speaker 1: may be some properties to the definitely these cryptis that
Speaker 1: is a supernatural I know, the werewolf that definitely got
Speaker 1: a supernatural tie to it, unless it is a cursed person.
Speaker 1: That's the difference for many types of different wear, different
Speaker 1: types of werewolves. But the most interesting thing to all
Speaker 1: this that that affected me, even at a very young age,
Speaker 1: when I saw and experience the fact that there actually
Speaker 1: was like this existing in this universe with me, I
Speaker 1: was honted ever after that, and it still honts me
Speaker 1: to this day with every interaction and encounter that I have.
Speaker 1: And one question is come back to hone me, and
Speaker 1: that is, if this is real, what I'm seeing is real,
Speaker 1: then my god, what else is out there? What else
Speaker 1: is still is existing out there? And that's been my
Speaker 1: quest to find that, to find out what else is
Speaker 1: out there? And that's what that fire that was led
Speaker 1: under me is for. I've seen spirits. I have seen
Speaker 1: full bodied apparitions. I have seen demonic spirits. I have
Speaker 1: seen many different types of I encountered skin waters. I've
Speaker 1: seen wishes who werek. I've had death curses put on me.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I have studied extensively in
Speaker 1: the occult, the things about the occult, the supernatural, the
Speaker 1: things of superstition and folklore. I've gotten keep it to
Speaker 1: all these things because it's it's part of the clues
Speaker 1: that we need to look at. It's part of the
Speaker 1: connections that we make. And you know, I told somebody
Speaker 1: now and go, that's why I'm so interested in all
Speaker 1: of this stuff is that it is all, in some
Speaker 1: very strange way connected, and people will say, well, how
Speaker 1: is it connected? Because we are the connection to it.
Speaker 1: We're connected to all of these things, and that's the
Speaker 1: main connection. And we unteract with these things and see them.
Speaker 1: But once you experience these you changes your whole outlook
Speaker 1: and attitude on things. It turns you one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty degrees in a different direction, because then you know
Speaker 1: seeing is truly believing. That's just the way it goes.
Speaker 1: We're human beings, but seeing is truly believing. And when
Speaker 1: you see it and you do believe, then you have
Speaker 1: more questions than unfortunately you have answers.
Speaker 3: Interesting one of the questions I want to ask you
Speaker 3: is a lot of people, and myself included along with
Speaker 3: some of the others of my team, we have experienced
Speaker 3: seeing strange, unexplainable lights in the woods.
Speaker 2: And some would say.
Speaker 3: That they are type of orbs. I mean, perhaps maybe
Speaker 3: they are. But seeing a light appear and then go
Speaker 3: away and not picturing anything other you know, no no
Speaker 3: frmal heat signature, nothing whatsoever. I mean, have you ever
Speaker 3: experienced anything like that either? Or what's your take on
Speaker 3: the lights in the woods? How would you look at that?
Speaker 1: I have seen? We had them. They have any different names.
Speaker 1: People call them the middle of the list. Ghost lights.
Speaker 1: They're called corpse candles. They have many different names, they've
Speaker 1: been given to them down over the years. I've actually
Speaker 1: seen the brown mountain lights. I'm sure you've heard of them.
Speaker 1: I have experience seing the brown mind lights. You talking
Speaker 1: about weird. That is very strange experience. But I think
Speaker 1: some of these things may be naturally occurring. We just
Speaker 1: don't know what they are. I call them earth mysteries.
Speaker 1: We don't know what they are. That may be, you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of electro magnetic stuff going on or whatever.
Speaker 1: But some of these things, the ones you got to
Speaker 1: really pay close attention to, are the ones that act
Speaker 1: like they have an intelligence to them. Now, I have
Speaker 1: actually seen spiritual energy manifest into things like we would
Speaker 1: call an orb and it has an intelligence to it.
Speaker 1: That's what is the true what I would call the
Speaker 1: true ORB experience. Other things you may see, especially catching
Speaker 1: capturing things on camera and all that most of the
Speaker 1: time will be dust motes and water droppless in the air.
Speaker 1: They may exhibit weird qualities. I've seen a lot. I
Speaker 1: think everything that can happen on a video camera, okay,
Speaker 1: light and this stuff has very strange properties that can
Speaker 1: screw around with you sometimes definitely. But you know, I
Speaker 1: can go out on a rainy day with a camera
Speaker 1: and catch you a million orbs. That's the way they go.
Speaker 1: Those are the other kind of orbs. Those are naturally explained,
Speaker 1: but there are some that are not. And I've actually
Speaker 1: seen I have experienced orbs that would actually stop and
Speaker 1: go around in obstruction just like you and I would.
Speaker 1: They was stopping around it. That is intelligence, there's something
Speaker 1: there with that. But I've also seen spiritual energy manifest
Speaker 1: in orbs that would pop with it. I mean a
Speaker 1: visible pop. You could hear them. They would pop like
Speaker 1: you know, not real, real loud, but you could hear
Speaker 1: them and they would go away and dissipate. That is
Speaker 1: a spiritual energy too. So you have many different types
Speaker 1: of orbs and lights that you know. But a lot
Speaker 1: of the old folks warned about following any of these
Speaker 1: lights you ever see them, and I never did. That's
Speaker 1: one of the rules of the Appalachian Mountains. If you
Speaker 1: see a strange light in the woods, do not follow
Speaker 1: it because you may not come back. And a lot
Speaker 1: of these things are tied to I would call evil
Speaker 1: spirits in some ways they are out, just like that
Speaker 1: thing was leading us throughods. They are out to trick
Speaker 1: you sometimes, and it's never a happy kind of trick
Speaker 1: that they're trying to pull on you. It can be
Speaker 1: very detrimental to your safety because that's just the way
Speaker 1: these things work sometimes. And there are many stories of
Speaker 1: people actually following these lights who have never come back,
Speaker 1: or or their bidies were foundated deep in the woods
Speaker 1: and places they you know, would not have normally been,
Speaker 1: like maybe in dishes or ravines and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's almost as if they would live there on purpose. Definitely.
Speaker 1: So there are bad things out there that definitely do
Speaker 1: not like you, and they will do these kind of
Speaker 1: little devil issue they call the old folks call them
Speaker 1: devil tricks. They will do these devil tricks on you
Speaker 1: to cause you harm or just to get you lost sometimes,
Speaker 1: whatever the situation is. So it's not a good idea
Speaker 1: to follow these lights if you do encounter them in
Speaker 1: the woods. And there have been many reports of the
Speaker 1: years supposedly of some of these orders being associated with
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and other encryptis as well out there that they're
Speaker 1: seen on and of course there's a lot of reports
Speaker 1: too of UFOs being stated at the same time you
Speaker 1: have boot foot sidings. There's a correlation with some of
Speaker 1: that very strange stuff, like I said, in some weird way,
Speaker 1: out flicky kind of way. All the stuff is connected
Speaker 1: along different lines, and the more you look at the patterns,
Speaker 1: the more you can see this connection. It's still hard
Speaker 1: to understand it in many ways, but you still see
Speaker 1: the patterns. And that's what I have trained with. You know,
Speaker 1: when I first got into this, I went to the
Speaker 1: I'm an ex police officer anyway, but years ago before
Speaker 1: I became a police officer, I went to them to
Speaker 1: understand and learn how to truly investigate these things. And
Speaker 1: when I go into a place like that, whether I'm
Speaker 1: looking for a big food or it's a spiritual research.
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it ghost I call it
Speaker 1: spiritual research if you're doing that or if you're you know,
Speaker 1: helping someone with a demonic problem or whatever the situation is.
Speaker 1: And I am on demonologists do I approach it as
Speaker 1: if it were a crime scene. That's the way I
Speaker 1: look at it, I like, you know, and I had
Speaker 1: a lot of people come up and say, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what's going on? Here, I said, no, I'd
Speaker 1: rather you're not. Let it talk to me, Let it
Speaker 1: tell me his story. You know, whatever you're at, and
Speaker 1: if I go to somewhere, just for an example, looking
Speaker 1: at checking out a place where Bigfoot has been sighted,
Speaker 1: that's where you need to go. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of people unfortunately, just go rambling out of the woods
Speaker 1: looking around, and Bigfoot knows they're there. Okay, dog man
Speaker 1: will know you're there from miles away. I think he's
Speaker 1: reading your intentions too. Sometimes I think he knows what
Speaker 1: your intentions. You know, if you're there to underlive him,
Speaker 1: he's definitely not going to be sited and wouldn't I
Speaker 1: would be the same way. I wouldn't want you to
Speaker 1: buy me either. It depends a lot, I think on
Speaker 1: what your intention is. You know when you go to
Speaker 1: look for these things, but the number one place you
Speaker 1: would go to look is where they have been seen before.
Speaker 1: That makes common sense. You know, you don't just go
Speaker 1: rambling around, but you hunt bigfoot, especially like deer hunting,
Speaker 1: in some way you kind of you know, waiting around
Speaker 1: to the kind of ambush this guy. That's the way
Speaker 1: you're going to really get a better chance. Of course,
Speaker 1: you may get incredibly lucky and come upon and locking
Speaker 1: in the woods, but you got more chance staying once
Speaker 1: by the coming part of the environment, letting nature get
Speaker 1: used to you. This same thing is the same way
Speaker 1: you do spiritual research. You've got to become part of
Speaker 1: the environment, and once you do, you've got a much
Speaker 1: better chance at experiencing whatever need that is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the things I'll add in to that is,
Speaker 3: I know, when me and my team when we go
Speaker 3: out there to do our exploring.
Speaker 2: You know, are hiking or whatever we do.
Speaker 3: You know, well, I mean we go out there with
Speaker 3: an innocent approach I like to say, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: non aggressive, you.
Speaker 2: Know, but you know, when we do go out there
Speaker 2: to look for answers, we come back with more questions.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's the way it seems most of the time. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2: I mean it's like.
Speaker 3: The area we're investigating right now, like I said, it's got.
Speaker 2: A history there.
Speaker 3: We have our own experiences there already, and we just
Speaker 3: want to continue to investigate this location, this particular location,
Speaker 3: to see if we maybe learn more experience more.
Speaker 1: So well, you know, and don't get me wrong, now
Speaker 1: that there is a part where you actively walk through
Speaker 1: and scope out and look for signs and all that
Speaker 1: part of the hunting thing. But the actual honting is
Speaker 1: when you sort of hunker down and wait from him.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had experience. I had him. I had
Speaker 1: him one time, and it was at a distance of
Speaker 1: I was along the trail and I stopped and got
Speaker 1: off trailed to sit in the bushes, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: here he came. He was behind me, he was backtracking me.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, they're smart. They're you know, a
Speaker 1: whole lot smarter than people think they are, or they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to survive the way they do it.
Speaker 1: I think they are incredibly intelligent. I think they have
Speaker 1: I think I've even heard their own language. I think
Speaker 1: they can mimic things. They can mimic bird calls, they
Speaker 1: can mimic you, they can mimic your voice. And a
Speaker 1: lot of times these mimics that people run into, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's maybe beefoot because they are incredibly intelligent,
Speaker 1: very smart, or they wouldn't be able to survive the
Speaker 1: way they do. Uh. And you know, I think we
Speaker 1: underestimate them sometimes, absolutely. But there comes a point when
Speaker 1: you quit looking around for signs, you quit looking for things,
Speaker 1: and you've got to actively hunt. And if you do
Speaker 1: that in the right with the right to you, I
Speaker 1: think you will get more out of it than you
Speaker 1: will in other detrimental ways. You have to be very
Speaker 1: careful how you approach these things. Because the one thing
Speaker 1: I found out over the years, you know, I've had
Speaker 1: people ask me that, why, Dennis, if you had so
Speaker 1: many experiences, why have you seen so many of these things?
Speaker 1: I think it was one real invoting reason I was
Speaker 1: looking for them. But I was looking for them in
Speaker 1: the right way. Sometimes when you look into the paranormal,
Speaker 1: supernatural and cryptis and all this other stuff, sometimes when
Speaker 1: you look into it, it will definitely look back. That's
Speaker 1: one thing you got to always remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, you know.
Speaker 3: And you know, we were just talking to me and
Speaker 3: one of my team members, mister David Lester. You know,
Speaker 3: we plan on doing some night stakeouts, you know, like
Speaker 3: just go out there and get settled in the area
Speaker 3: away from camp, you know, you know, and just kind
Speaker 3: of relaxed, get settled in the area, you know, And
Speaker 3: I mean one of the areas we want to do
Speaker 3: this in is an area where one of our past
Speaker 3: camp members that joined us when I'm actually had a sighting,
Speaker 3: the gentleman's wife.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They came down from Pennsylvania and they had an experience
Speaker 3: and which I thought was very fascinating because you know,
Speaker 3: there's been a history around this area of other sightings
Speaker 3: and all kinds of strange activity. So but uh, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: we would love to have more of.
Speaker 2: An experience out there, you know. So I mean we're going.
Speaker 3: To continue exploring to the best of our ability, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, and you know, we put the boots on
Speaker 3: the ground, there's no doubt about that. We we'd love
Speaker 3: to explore and look for signs and evidence and look
Speaker 3: at the different possibilities. You know, could this be this,
Speaker 3: Could this be that, you know, those kind of things.
Speaker 2: But you know, and we have heard some very.
Speaker 3: Stressing vocalizations in the area as well in the past
Speaker 3: camp outs we've had out there. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: so our plan is to go out there and hopefully
Speaker 3: let them come into us. I mean, that's what we
Speaker 3: hope for because we do a lot of daytime exploring,
Speaker 3: so we could find possible tracks, and you know, we
Speaker 3: love looking at the stick structures a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't care for that, you know, I do, you know,
Speaker 3: because yeah, we know humans build things and do things,
Speaker 3: but there's certain things that we find fascinating that are
Speaker 3: well off the beaten path, you know.
Speaker 2: Those are the kinds of things we like to look for.
Speaker 3: It leads us through the fact that, you know, the
Speaker 3: possibility that hey, this could be or just might be
Speaker 3: something other than a human, you know. But now that
Speaker 3: we know that there's strange lights in the area, you know,
Speaker 3: and there's big for sightings, and there's just so much
Speaker 3: in this area, you know, we want to focus in
Speaker 3: this area and continue to work this area, which we'll
Speaker 3: be there next month, we'll be we'll spending a whole week,
Speaker 3: a good week out there and hopefully something happens.
Speaker 1: Well, that is a correct way to do that, because
Speaker 1: you know, you need to stay out there and become
Speaker 1: part of the environment, and everything settles down, everything that
Speaker 1: puts bigfoot on whatever you're looking for more read at ease,
Speaker 1: you know, because everything begos what I call it normalizes
Speaker 1: the place, you know, and now you want to seek
Speaker 1: that out definitely. But you know, there's and I studied
Speaker 1: all the different techniques of hunting over the years like
Speaker 1: that I was doing that night with flushing out tigers.
Speaker 1: I've read about them, how they hunted down man eating
Speaker 1: tigers in India and places like that. And I remember
Speaker 1: one hunter talking about he had been on the trail
Speaker 1: of a of a man eating tiger and said that
Speaker 1: he was at a in a blind like of the
Speaker 1: top of the tree waiting for this thing. That's the
Speaker 1: way you have to track them. You will waste your
Speaker 1: time going through the jumble trying to trail them down
Speaker 1: that way, you know. And he said he was up
Speaker 1: in his mind looking he saw it and he couldn't
Speaker 1: get a good shot at. He saw that tiger jump
Speaker 1: a twelve foot stock at fence, you know, and it
Speaker 1: was it was a village, an Indian, the village in India,
Speaker 1: and it jumped that twelve foot shack fence and in
Speaker 1: the minute it came back over with a grown man
Speaker 1: in his mouth and went off through the jungle. He saw,
Speaker 1: I could never get a this shot at. Later on
Speaker 1: he did that you finally killed it. I think that
Speaker 1: tiger killed around fifteen or twenty people in that district.
Speaker 1: They had hired him. The British government had hired him
Speaker 1: to track this tiger down to kill it. He finally
Speaker 1: got it, but he said that night he didn't have
Speaker 1: a clear shot at it. And you know, that's the
Speaker 1: way it goes with Honting. You can have got to
Speaker 1: have a good of luck on your side sometimes when
Speaker 1: you're dabbling a hunting and but the way you do it,
Speaker 1: you know, And like I said, he didn't waste his
Speaker 1: time trying to trail that thing through the jungle, because
Speaker 1: there's no way you would ever catch it that way.
Speaker 1: He had to lie and wait for it. And that's
Speaker 1: how he finally got it, although he didn't help him
Speaker 1: that night, and didn't help that guy in the tiger's
Speaker 1: mouth that night. But that's the way. And here's the
Speaker 1: interesting thing about all this stuff, and when it comes
Speaker 1: to Honting. And I won't tell you how quick in
Speaker 1: the experience that happened where I think, I think, and
Speaker 1: I saw a werewolf what not. But you a lot
Speaker 1: of it is luck. You can just happen to look
Speaker 1: up on something. And that's what happened to me. I
Speaker 1: had been going. This also happened, uh good many years
Speaker 1: back into North Carolina mountains. I've done a lot of
Speaker 1: research in North Carolina Mountains, although I've been in Virginia,
Speaker 1: North and West Virginia as well up in there. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that night it was getting kind of dark as dusky dark,
Speaker 1: and I sticked in league. I had not really been
Speaker 1: actively honeying anything that day. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: was just looking around master, you know how you do,
Speaker 1: Like I like to go out and do some bushcra
Speaker 1: out there now and then stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 1: I love the gown in the woods and look around.
Speaker 1: So I had been doing that that day, and I
Speaker 1: remember it was a fall day. It was a fun day,
Speaker 1: you know, and there wasn't a lot of leafish in
Speaker 1: the trees too that day. And I was looking and
Speaker 1: it was getting dark and down in a I won'st
Speaker 1: I will say, I wish you would call it a
Speaker 1: ravine or deep deep gully like it was in front
Speaker 1: of me, and I saw something down there, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: I first thought, oh, you know, it's a bear, you know,
Speaker 1: because I've done in the bears all right, most of
Speaker 1: the time. They're black bears. But that's why I call
Speaker 1: them the king of the woods. They will you know,
Speaker 1: you need to respect them, definitely, they can. They can
Speaker 1: be very bad trouble most of the time, though you
Speaker 1: can scare them off, you know, and or just get
Speaker 1: out of the neighborhood without them bothering you, which is
Speaker 1: the best thing. I look down in this gully and
Speaker 1: there's something standing down there, you know, and I can't
Speaker 1: see it because it's in shadow. And like I say,
Speaker 1: it's getting getting very close to you know, sundown here,
Speaker 1: and it's in shadow and I cannot make it out,
Speaker 1: but I can see the silhouette of it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I said, wait a minute, that's not a bear,
Speaker 1: because it was standing there on two legs, and bears,
Speaker 1: most of the time, they only get up on two
Speaker 1: legs to reach up, you know, on a tree, or
Speaker 1: or fight other bears or do something they do not
Speaker 1: most of the time walk around and stand on two legs.
Speaker 1: That's just what bears do. And that's why people and
Speaker 1: that's why that kind of makes me laugh and people say, oh,
Speaker 1: you saw a way foote possaw bear. He was walking through.
Speaker 1: The Bears do not do that unless there's something wrong
Speaker 1: with I house. I saw there one time something wrong
Speaker 1: with it that he couldn't get down on all fours
Speaker 1: he and he did learn how to walk on two legs,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're like people. They compensate for something
Speaker 1: like that, you know. But anyway, this thing was standing
Speaker 1: there on two legs, and I said, that's not a
Speaker 1: bear because, like I say, there again, the silhouette was
Speaker 1: not round ears. They were ears like a German shepherd. Okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm going, what is that? You know? And I
Speaker 1: can't make it out good? And then I noticed something else,
Speaker 1: I said, I said him, I said, this is this
Speaker 1: dog man. That's the first thing I thought about. That
Speaker 1: must be dog Man, you know, and I think spotted
Speaker 1: him on several occasions. I'm looking. I said, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I saw something. It kind of turned and he never
Speaker 1: saw me. That's probably why I'm here alive to tell
Speaker 1: you this story, okay, But I said, all kind of turn,
Speaker 1: little bit, and it was wearing a shirt and pants.
Speaker 1: Dog Man does not wear clothes, okay, as far as
Speaker 1: I know, he doesn't go around. This was a were
Speaker 1: wolf standing down there. That had to be. And when
Speaker 1: I saw that, I said, I think it's time for
Speaker 1: me to leave now because I don't I see him,
Speaker 1: but right now he don't see me. And I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna stay here for him to do that, So I
Speaker 1: got our dodge, which I would devise. Ybody, if you
Speaker 1: run up something you think is definitely were a wolf
Speaker 1: thing or even dog man, it's not a good idea
Speaker 1: to hang around. Like I said before, over many times
Speaker 1: dog man will cut you a break. Most of the
Speaker 1: time you will walk away from that and coount. But
Speaker 1: most of the time he will not walk away from
Speaker 1: one will a were wolfman.
Speaker 2: What what's your take on a big foot?
Speaker 3: You believe that some might be aggressive in the same
Speaker 3: manner as as a werewolf, or you think there's pretty
Speaker 3: much want to be left of bone.
Speaker 1: I got the feeling. I got the feeling, especially the
Speaker 1: one iron counter that close up, I didn't feel an
Speaker 1: aggressive nature to him. He had, like I said, he
Speaker 1: had more of a surprise sort of a you know,
Speaker 1: kind of ticked off a little bit, but not very
Speaker 1: you know, very angry like a bear can be sometimes.
Speaker 1: He didn't have that. I feel. I just my own
Speaker 1: personal feeling when he comes to the foot, I think sasquatch,
Speaker 1: he'd rather be the kind of guy that you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna do, and he'd rather be left alone. He's
Speaker 1: better not mess with you. He doesn't, he's retiring away
Speaker 1: from us. I think he knows what kind of animals
Speaker 1: we definitely are, and knowing that, I don't blame him
Speaker 1: for not trusting us. I think there's a mistrust. I
Speaker 1: think there's almost like a fear there. And you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to the biblical things, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember the Book of Genesis where it says the
Speaker 1: fear of you and the dread of you will be
Speaker 1: upon every beast of the field, and I think that
Speaker 1: was to Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Is well, I agree whole horribly. That makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense.
Speaker 3: If people listen to that and pay attention to that,
Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense. You're absolutely right. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a natural thing that you know, most wildlife are
Speaker 3: have fear of us, some more than others, you know,
Speaker 3: so it's something to really pay attention to you and
Speaker 3: you know and understand that.
Speaker 1: Well, having seen the bad side of mankind and humanity,
Speaker 1: I don't blame them. I mean, having been a police
Speaker 1: officer in all that other years and I've worked at
Speaker 1: a different job that dealt with the public and all that,
Speaker 1: I definitely do not blame them for having that fear.
Speaker 1: That is, I think that fear is part of their
Speaker 1: instinct for sol and uh, That's why I've told people,
Speaker 1: like the bear I was talking about, you need to
Speaker 1: respect things like that, what they can do to you.
Speaker 1: You need to kind of that in respect can be fear,
Speaker 1: you know. That's kind of like the fear of God.
Speaker 1: A lot of times. That doesn't mean you're shaking in
Speaker 1: your boots. That means you respect God. And I think
Speaker 1: you respect the things that God is core idiot. If
Speaker 1: you don't, you're asking for trouble most of the time.
Speaker 1: And I think they feel that way about us too,
Speaker 1: because they respect what we can do to them, because
Speaker 1: we are the most dangerous animals that walks this planet.
Speaker 1: That's another rule of monster hunting that I've followed over
Speaker 1: the years. A very important rule is that the monster
Speaker 1: hunter must never become the monster absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, with my experience with Bigfoot, and
Speaker 3: I've never for the record, I off share that I've
Speaker 3: never had any other experiences with any other triptid For say,
Speaker 3: Bigfoot has been the only one I've ever had experiences with,
Speaker 3: and just from my experiences alone and from what I judge,
Speaker 3: big puot to be. It's more of a very curious, you.
Speaker 2: Know being, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3: They called the encounter in twenty fourteen that six of
Speaker 3: us shared together, they were curious, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I believe we also caught them off guard. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of details. I won't get into that
Speaker 3: it'll take up too much time, but we believe, I
Speaker 3: believe anyway, that they were just curious so.
Speaker 2: Of us as we were of them, you know, just
Speaker 2: based off of what happened. And you know, so.
Speaker 1: That is also, my friend, a very distinct sign of
Speaker 1: higher intelligence curiosity. And I think they are very curious
Speaker 1: about us, and I think that sometimes puts them at
Speaker 1: a disadvantage, especially if you're not wanting to be found
Speaker 1: by someone, but if you're kind of curious about them.
Speaker 1: And I think they are very curious about us. I
Speaker 1: think even heard of episodes where people think their names
Speaker 1: may have been called. They would be on camping, you know, somewhere,
Speaker 1: and something called their names, from which I had everything
Speaker 1: happened to me one night night fishing on the bank
Speaker 1: BYO late. What't that And I don't know if that
Speaker 1: was bigfood. I think it was something else of was
Speaker 1: more sinister nature, but I think bigfood could do that
Speaker 1: if you want. I believe you can mimic things because
Speaker 1: the Native Americans talked about them being able to do
Speaker 1: burgh halls and animal sounds and stuff like that. If
Speaker 1: you live out of the woods, that would become part
Speaker 1: of your repertoire talent. Definitely you would use that. I
Speaker 1: think they have their own language. I don't even have
Speaker 1: one one to talk about. She may have heard them singing,
Speaker 1: and that would not be that far faced either. Because
Speaker 1: these are very, very highly intelligent and very curious animals
Speaker 1: and they learn, you know, that's another sign of intelligence.
Speaker 1: You learned, you know, a quick learner, you might say,
Speaker 1: and you can pick it up pretty quick. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what that's part of their nature as well.
Speaker 1: But that also puts them into disadvantage because we are
Speaker 1: very curious to them. I'm sure they you know, and
Speaker 1: they want to watch us and maybe study us. They're
Speaker 1: wary of us, but that sometimes exposes them. I think
Speaker 1: in ways that they don't like. Their curiosity will do
Speaker 1: that to them, you know, like that old saying curiosity
Speaker 1: kills a cat. But anyway, I think that's that's part
Speaker 1: of the makeup absolutely. But one night I was fishing
Speaker 1: on the bank of a river and I had something
Speaker 1: called me by name, and I was with a couple
Speaker 1: when they were in bed, and they were sleeping the
Speaker 1: tent up the hill from me. I knew it was
Speaker 1: not there, that we were out in the middle of
Speaker 1: them nowhere. There was nothing around, nobody around. It had
Speaker 1: already gotten dark. I was still fishing on the bank
Speaker 1: and getting ready to quit and go back up to
Speaker 1: my tent, and there was some bushes nearby, and something
Speaker 1: in the bushes something help me, help me, like that
Speaker 1: very low way. It wasn't really loud, it kind of low,
Speaker 1: you know, And I kind of looked at me and
Speaker 1: I said, well, what is that? You know what's going
Speaker 1: on here? And I just kept fishing. I ain't paying
Speaker 1: ten And a few minutes later, says help me, help me.
Speaker 1: And then they called me by name, and that's when
Speaker 1: I said up. I said, oh wait a minute, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know who or what you are,
Speaker 1: but you get out of here right now. You leave now,
Speaker 1: you get away from me, you know. And yeah, don't
Speaker 1: you come back anymore. Get out of here, and hey,
Speaker 1: it's shut up. And let me alone. But if ever
Speaker 1: happens to you or anybody that you know, they so did.
Speaker 1: I have not to follow that organowledge it. Really it left,
Speaker 1: you know, because I gave a thought I had authority
Speaker 1: over it. You know, you have a certain amount of
Speaker 1: spiritual authority over these things. If you exercise authority, it
Speaker 1: will work for you, definitely, And I think that's what
Speaker 1: happened that night. But they even call me by name
Speaker 1: like that. That is evil. Definitely, that is something that
Speaker 1: is not good. And I don't think that was big good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Because the bushes that that that sound came out.
Speaker 1: I was not big enough to hide him. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: not what that was. Well, whatever it was, I let
Speaker 1: him know that it wasn't welcome there. And that's the
Speaker 1: way you got to treat some of these things when
Speaker 1: you run into the especially those lights that we thought
Speaker 1: about it and all that stuff. But I remember I
Speaker 1: broke a rule one night in the in the mountains
Speaker 1: of North Carolina. You know, me and another guy. We
Speaker 1: had been out walking around. We've been camping that night
Speaker 1: with a church group, and I was probably about I
Speaker 1: was thinking it may have been about it. I think
Speaker 1: it was about sixteen years old or something like that.
Speaker 1: And he and I were just walking around. We walked
Speaker 1: up this girt road and I broke a rule, and
Speaker 1: from out of a bush nearby this road came the
Speaker 1: sound of a whipple wheel. Well, I always like whipple
Speaker 1: wheels if they were cool, because I could imitate their
Speaker 1: their call, you know. So I said, the guy said, listen,
Speaker 1: that's a whipple wheel, you know. I said, watch this,
Speaker 1: And so I did the whipple wheel, and sure enough
Speaker 1: it answered me back. And I and I'm going that
Speaker 1: does you know you know I never had a whip
Speaker 1: wheel answer back that quick, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because you'd have to do it a few times before
Speaker 1: it would finally answer you. And I told the guy said,
Speaker 1: come on, this is you know. So we walk over
Speaker 1: to the bushes. We walk into the bushes, into stand
Speaker 1: of trees, and all of a sudden, somebody comes up
Speaker 1: behind me and behind him too, and they put a
Speaker 1: knife to my throat and uh, and they did the
Speaker 1: same to him. The guy. He was a little bit
Speaker 1: smaller than me. He a little bit, you know, younger.
Speaker 1: I think he's a here younger than me. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I think I was sixteen years old. I
Speaker 1: was pretty tall in my age, but I wasn't tall
Speaker 1: them six four now then I was probably a little
Speaker 1: over six foot. Anyway, they put a knife to my
Speaker 1: throat and I'm okay, well, I gotta do something quick
Speaker 1: here and tall myself out of this situation. And it
Speaker 1: was a woman's voice. She said, tell me why I
Speaker 1: shouldn't cut you on your throat right now? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I got think OF's some a lot of reasons, you know,
Speaker 1: let's not. Let's not do this, you know. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not here to hurt you. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna not bother you another thing, you know. So she
Speaker 1: kind of laughed a little bit and she took the
Speaker 1: knife down, and the same one with the guy with me.
Speaker 1: They were two sisters. They were Cherokee sisters, and they
Speaker 1: had been sitting on a picnic table that I didn't
Speaker 1: see until I got in there, and under these trees here,
Speaker 1: and uh, she said, we're just having a little fun
Speaker 1: with him, you know. Uh, And uh she said.
Speaker 2: What do you what do you guys?
Speaker 1: What do you mean whistling at me like that? I said, well,
Speaker 1: you whistles first. I just whistled back, you know. She said, well,
Speaker 1: she said, you're not supposed to do that in these mountains.
Speaker 1: You know that, don't you. No, I never whistle at that,
Speaker 1: you know. I said, yeah, I think I heard of that,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely. And I said, I guess I did.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I kind of screwed up doing that, didn't I. She said, yes,
Speaker 1: you did. Don't ever do it again. And and I
Speaker 1: could tell that they were acting kind of strange. And
Speaker 1: one sister was this one I was talking to. It
Speaker 1: was a little bit taller, maybe she was a year
Speaker 1: or so older than the other sister. She's a little
Speaker 1: bit taller, a little bit bigger, you know. And they
Speaker 1: were both well, the other sister was real quiet, she
Speaker 1: never spoke. I was the one. I was the one
Speaker 1: doing taller at this. I was. What I was basically
Speaker 1: trying to do was talk my way out of this
Speaker 1: and leave immediately. I didn't want to hang around these gals,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, if they pull a knife on
Speaker 1: your throat, what else would they do? So so I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we better get by. We're camp back over here,
Speaker 1: you know. And I said, we'll get back, you know,
Speaker 1: And she said, well, look, she said, do you know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of weird things go on in these mountains.
Speaker 1: She says, you better go back to your camp. You'd
Speaker 1: rather stay there tonight, and said, before you do, though,
Speaker 1: she said, I want you to watch those bushes over there,
Speaker 1: and I'm will to show you something. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to oh, what's going on with this? You know where's
Speaker 1: this going? And I said sure, okay, And so her
Speaker 1: and her sister walk into the bushes and in a
Speaker 1: few minutes, I'm standing watching the bushes. I'm moving. I
Speaker 1: could hear something sound like Hanny in the bushes moving,
Speaker 1: I can move down, and all of a sudden, out
Speaker 1: of these two bushes step two wools want a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger than the other. And these two woolves look
Speaker 1: at us and go on up. They go on to
Speaker 1: They walk off slowly and walk off up that dirt
Speaker 1: road up the mountain. And when they at the end
Speaker 1: of the one of them turns. The big one turns
Speaker 1: around and looks back at me, and his eyes, honest
Speaker 1: to God, are glowing red. And they walked off, turned
Speaker 1: back around, walked off and went into the night. And
Speaker 1: that's when me and the other guy booked it back
Speaker 1: to the camp and that guy asked me, He said,
Speaker 1: what was that?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: He was scared to death? He was shaking like a leaf.
Speaker 1: I was still sort of and oh, did I see that?
Speaker 1: You know? And I said, did we see that? And
Speaker 1: he said, yees, I saw He said, what was that?
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know. I think we may have
Speaker 1: run into some witches or something, you know, that was weird.
Speaker 1: And I found out later, of course, when the longer
Speaker 1: deep into research, that they were probably what we would
Speaker 1: turn skinwalkers. Now, skin walkers are not really native to
Speaker 1: the Avolachian Mountains. They're in the southwest through in Arizona
Speaker 1: and the Ball place like that. But there is a
Speaker 1: long history of wish appollation witches, dark witches that can
Speaker 1: turn into things like wolves or blank panthers or ravens.
Speaker 1: They are very much like skin walkers, but they're just playing. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what a skin walker is. It's a witch. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the they have a supernatural ability to shape shift,
Speaker 1: and that is one of the you know, having learned
Speaker 1: what I have learned, and something of a little bit
Speaker 1: of authority on the cot having learned what I've learned,
Speaker 1: that is one of the premier powers of wiscraft and
Speaker 1: UH and UH tapping into demanding power. To be able
Speaker 1: to do these things. You have to do horrible things
Speaker 1: to acquire this power by turning into a werewolf, vampire,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to turn into. You can shape shift
Speaker 1: into it, but it acquires a very high price, a
Speaker 1: very bad and deadly cost, the cost of your of
Speaker 1: your soul being swallowed up by darkness in the end eventually.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're definitely they could justs the premier power
Speaker 1: of wishcrafts, along with other powers like invisibility or being
Speaker 1: able to actual reject themselves, being able to fly. The
Speaker 1: list goes on and on of the powers that they
Speaker 1: can acquire through demonic rituals and witchcraft. But that night
Speaker 1: I found out firsthand that it is real, very real, with.
Speaker 2: What you just shared with me.
Speaker 3: It's like a collaboration with what I just heard with
Speaker 3: a good friend of mine.
Speaker 2: You may know him, William Nighthawk. I just had his interview.
Speaker 3: I went and interviewed him and recorded him in person,
Speaker 3: and he shared, as he shared in one of his
Speaker 3: part of his discussion with.
Speaker 2: Me, he experienced at a young age.
Speaker 3: I think he was a teenager if I recall a
Speaker 3: ceremony with three sisters, Native American sisters that were practicing
Speaker 3: the shape shifting experience.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 3: They transformed into not the four legate wolf, but a
Speaker 3: two lega wolf, and he described them as wear wolf,
Speaker 3: and which was interesting. And you know, when you were
Speaker 3: sharing that, I couldn't help but remember and recall what
Speaker 3: you were sharing when he was discussing that. So I
Speaker 3: find that very fascinating to me. It kind of collaborates,
Speaker 3: it kind of like almost support what he was sharing
Speaker 3: with me, you know. So that's that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I had a good friend who studied law of this,
Speaker 1: J C. Johnson. He's passed on now fortiate. We used
Speaker 1: to talk about this and we talked about the things
Speaker 1: that you do. I do know exactly how that you
Speaker 1: can do these things. I know the ceremonies, the rituals
Speaker 1: that takes, what he takes to to do this shape shifting.
Speaker 1: Although I've had a lot of people come to me
Speaker 1: over the years and how do you do it? I
Speaker 1: want to know. I want to learn. I said, no,
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't. I don't want to tell you
Speaker 1: because you might be tempted to try because it is
Speaker 1: its exacts so very deadly price from you, notice your life,
Speaker 1: but your very soul these things. Eventually you do enough
Speaker 1: of this stuff, the transformation, that you lose every time
Speaker 1: you transform into something like this, you lose a little
Speaker 1: bit of your humanity. Eventually, one day when you go
Speaker 1: to turn back into a person, you won't be able
Speaker 1: to do that. You will be stuck forever in that shape,
Speaker 1: and you probably usually die not long after that, because
Speaker 1: the darkness exacts that price from you. You have sold
Speaker 1: your soul of that darkness. But to acquire this power,
Speaker 1: it comes with a cost, and a very high price.
Speaker 1: And this is something that I would not wish for anyone,
Speaker 1: not even my worst enemy, to experience. But it is
Speaker 1: also at the same time, and I remember too that
Speaker 1: this transformation is very painful in some ways, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: because you are not only changing, you were manipulating, twisting,
Speaker 1: and vending true reality into the way you want it.
Speaker 1: That's what all witchcraft is. I've done a lot of
Speaker 1: lectures and stuff on witchcraft over the years. Witchcraft magic
Speaker 1: is no thing but changing reality. You're changed into what
Speaker 1: you want it to be. But you step out and
Speaker 1: I think many times outside the precepts of God. When
Speaker 1: you do this, you're doing you're going against what the
Speaker 1: true creation is because you are arranging your creator's reality,
Speaker 1: not yours. You don't have that right, you don't really
Speaker 1: have that spiritual right to do that. So you are
Speaker 1: an outlaw, spiritual outlaw when you do these things. And
Speaker 1: so that's the price you pay for. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm call some people you do not want to go there.
Speaker 1: I know what it takes. I could do it if
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I've never been than to do that
Speaker 1: because I know what what costs will be and I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody in the right mind will want to
Speaker 1: pay that cost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find this all very fascinating. Yeah, very informative.
Speaker 3: Dennis, I want to ask you, do you have any advice, Uh,
Speaker 3: what advice would you give me, my team, or anybody
Speaker 3: for that matter that's going out there to explore, to
Speaker 3: look for answers, look for evidence. What would be our
Speaker 3: best chance of experiencing something for finding answers.
Speaker 1: I think your frame of mind has a lot to do,
Speaker 1: is what you're you know you're pursuing. And of course,
Speaker 1: whenever you start any kind of expedition to go out
Speaker 1: to look for something. I don't care what it is,
Speaker 1: whatever kind of an expedition is. You do need to
Speaker 1: prepare yourself spiritually going into and coming out of that
Speaker 1: situation because you don't want to pick up any unnecessary things.
Speaker 1: And I've had a lot of cases over the years
Speaker 1: of people who have done that. You need to protect
Speaker 1: yourself spiritually because you may be dealing definitely with spiritual entities,
Speaker 1: whatever form they may take. But I think your frame
Speaker 1: of mind, and like you know, we said earlier, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these things know what your intentions are.
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm a firm believer in that the
Speaker 1: pure of heart will definitely see God, and they'll see
Speaker 1: a lot of other things too. I think they can
Speaker 1: see more into that spiritual realm if that's what you
Speaker 1: are encountering with that attitude of a pure heart kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You know, and your intentions need to be pure,
Speaker 1: your your your motivation needs to be in line with
Speaker 1: the good stuff. You know. You will have a much
Speaker 1: better experience that way. But and like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: you need to become part of the environment part of that,
Speaker 1: because that puts them at ease, that tells them you're
Speaker 1: not there to hang them as a trophy on your
Speaker 1: hall or whatever the situation is. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of people ask have asked me with the ears, what
Speaker 1: what's gonna what's you're gonna do? Then, this is when
Speaker 1: you find a monster. When you come up on a monster,
Speaker 1: you you what's your plan? Are you going to shoot
Speaker 1: it until it? No, I don't need to know the
Speaker 1: trophy on my wall. That's not what I'm there for.
Speaker 1: I want to see it, experience understanding, and know it
Speaker 1: for a fact what it is. That's my take off
Speaker 1: on it. That's what I'm going to take away from it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not out there like some of these people. Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to prove this. I want to prove that.
Speaker 1: I want to prove that. You and need, my friend,
Speaker 1: all of us. That's not our job to prove anything.
Speaker 1: We can prove it only to ourselves, that's the main thing.
Speaker 1: And we can experience that. That's what we're there for,
Speaker 1: the experience, not to prove something to anybody, because in
Speaker 1: the end nobody able to believe it. Anyway, you and
Speaker 1: I can have the picture taken tomorrow with a low
Speaker 1: and ness monster, who's going to believe it? We'll know it.
Speaker 1: We know it's true because we were there, but we're
Speaker 1: banging our head up against the tree trying to need
Speaker 1: other people to believe. That's not what the focus should
Speaker 1: be on. The focus should be on our own experience
Speaker 1: with it and our own understanding of it is truly
Speaker 1: believing and experiencing what it is we're looking for. That's
Speaker 1: what you're going for, the experience. You're not out to
Speaker 1: prove any I said that over the years, I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of people challenge me. Only I said, I'm
Speaker 1: not here to prove anything to anyone but myself. And
Speaker 1: that's the way I look at it, and I think
Speaker 1: that's the way you need to approach it too, in
Speaker 1: many ways. And I think these things pick up on
Speaker 1: that attitude. They know that you're now there's a threat,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's the reason why I'm Bigfoot is
Speaker 1: the number one world Hide and Seek champion. He's smart.
Speaker 1: He knows what we would do to him. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people I've talked to a lot of
Speaker 1: so called Monsterners. Oh, I want to kill him. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bring him back. I'm gonna be a millionaire. I
Speaker 1: want to be famous, you know, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: that's not my motive. Okay, that's not what I'm in
Speaker 1: it for. And that's what unfortunately, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are in this business, whether it be cryptozoology or any
Speaker 1: other parts of the paranormal supernatural. They're in it for
Speaker 1: all the wrong reasons, you know. And over the years,
Speaker 1: I've helped a lot of people with their demonology problems.
Speaker 1: I've helped a lot of people learning how to track
Speaker 1: these things, all these different things I have. I have
Speaker 1: to actually, you know, try to motivate people in the
Speaker 1: right way and been a mentor to them too, and
Speaker 1: answer their questions. And you know, I've often said, if
Speaker 1: I don't know the answers, We'll try to find them together.
Speaker 1: That's what we need to do, and we need to
Speaker 1: come together as a community to do that. But we
Speaker 1: don't need to take it in the wrong way. We
Speaker 1: need to do these things the right way. The right
Speaker 1: ain't the wrong way. And you know, a lot you
Speaker 1: waste too much time when you do it the wrong way.
Speaker 1: We don't have that much time to waste, Okay, definitely,
Speaker 1: no time is our precious resource and we need to
Speaker 1: use it wisely and use it well. But we need
Speaker 1: to do it the right way, absolutely, and we need
Speaker 1: to concentrate on that. And we need to learn the terrain.
Speaker 1: We need to learn tracking, how to track. Even when
Speaker 1: you can't out see the tracks, they are still there.
Speaker 1: There is a track. You just need to know how
Speaker 1: to look for it. And I've taught myself that Stelf
Speaker 1: taught myself over the years. I understand why when I
Speaker 1: can look at the track and see what he did
Speaker 1: for sure, you know and know what it did. Even
Speaker 1: sometimes you will have weird, unusual tracks. I ran into
Speaker 1: something one time years ago. I call it crypked X.
Speaker 1: I do not know what this thing was. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you a quick story on it before we end. I
Speaker 1: had been deer hunting that day. I'd been there with
Speaker 1: my brothers in matter of fact, and he was, I think,
Speaker 1: going back this truck and all that, and he said,
Speaker 1: there's no old farmhouse over there. You know how interested
Speaker 1: I am and stuff like that. He said, you want
Speaker 1: to go check it out, you know, I think they,
Speaker 1: you know, keep hay in it or whatever. So I
Speaker 1: went over there, insuring us in an old farmstead, you know,
Speaker 1: and all the doors and windows are off of this
Speaker 1: thing there are no doors windows in it. The windows
Speaker 1: are still there, but there are no window panes in it.
Speaker 1: And they had probably once stored hay in this house,
Speaker 1: I mean, because there was a lot of hay laying
Speaker 1: around and stuff, you know. But I could tell there'd
Speaker 1: been some partying in this house too, definitely, because I
Speaker 1: walked in there was looking around because I like to
Speaker 1: see the old homesteads and places like that people lived
Speaker 1: in years ago, you know. And so I was walking around.
Speaker 1: I came to the back room, and this was really weird.
Speaker 1: The whole back room was stuffed full branches. Now, these
Speaker 1: branches were not like great big limbs off trees. They
Speaker 1: were broken branches, okay, And honest to God, the only
Speaker 1: thing I can the only way I can describe is
Speaker 1: like that. But it wasn't that. Really. It was like
Speaker 1: a huge burden nest inside this room, and it was
Speaker 1: filled this room, be believe. I could not walk into
Speaker 1: the room, okay, but through this branches I could see
Speaker 1: the window over the next to it. And by that
Speaker 1: time I stepped into the doorway of this room, something
Speaker 1: went out of that room through that window. Well immediately
Speaker 1: ran I land back outside to kind of go around
Speaker 1: to see what he was. I said, that was not
Speaker 1: a bear. Moved too fast. Little bear bears can move fast,
Speaker 1: but that was kind of faster than I'd ever seen
Speaker 1: one move. I said, what is that? That was curious
Speaker 1: than uh? And of course, you know I knew about
Speaker 1: doll man like that. So I went around that house
Speaker 1: quick as I could. But unfore she it wasn't fast enough.
Speaker 1: It was disappearing off into the woodline down below me.
Speaker 1: I could see it, but I couldn't make out what
Speaker 1: it was. It was dark, tall and dark, and it
Speaker 1: went into the woodline. So I started, and this is
Speaker 1: a field like that's what this morning? I was sitting
Speaker 1: in a field. And this field was what we call
Speaker 1: fallow field. It had not it been ply out it,
Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe the winter before or whatever,
Speaker 1: and nothing was growing in it. But it had not
Speaker 1: rained in a long time. And uh, I wan, let
Speaker 1: you know that it had not rained in quite a while,
Speaker 1: so it was not a muddy field or anything. It's
Speaker 1: pretty hard and when you run into ground like that,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to track anything. And I started and
Speaker 1: I saw the tracks, you know, I could see some
Speaker 1: weird tracks going down through there to the woodline, and
Speaker 1: I got to look at them, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: go on into the woodline see if I could see
Speaker 1: this thing, you know. So I got to look at
Speaker 1: the tracks and I said, no, that's weird looking tracks.
Speaker 1: They looked kind of all light, but they didn't look
Speaker 1: like that. I've never seen tracks like that before. It
Speaker 1: was very weird looking. And I kept going though. I
Speaker 1: went on into the woodline of around, but whatever it
Speaker 1: was was long gone. So I went back. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and look at those tracks, you
Speaker 1: know so, and I said, I got to take another
Speaker 1: look at those and they weren't real deep though. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it was kind of hard and I couldn't
Speaker 1: make them out real good, which is why I want
Speaker 1: to go back and take another look at them. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you this, to this day, I
Speaker 1: have not found those tracks. They were just go And
Speaker 1: the only conclusion I come to it, whatever that thing
Speaker 1: was went out of that window was something that really
Speaker 1: didn't belong in this world, or it was not something
Speaker 1: in the physical world, because tracks do not disappear like that,
Speaker 1: and nothing had brushed over those tracks. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was all right back to whether it was showed being
Speaker 1: they were gone, and to this day I do not
Speaker 1: know what that cryptid X was, but I'd like to
Speaker 1: meet it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very interesting for sure. Is there any last
Speaker 2: words you want to share before we close?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you of all the mysteries
Speaker 1: in the world, and I think this world will be
Speaker 1: a very dull and boring place without his mystery. I
Speaker 1: love a good mystery, and I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the icing on the cake of our existence. A lot
Speaker 1: of these mysteries and things to ponder over, to track,
Speaker 1: even if you don't actively if you're an armchair researcher,
Speaker 1: you know, and I've been in boots on the ground researcher,
Speaker 1: all believe in that that is the true teacher experiences
Speaker 1: the number one. You can read all the books you want,
Speaker 1: you can have all the degrees you want, but until
Speaker 1: you experience something, you will really fully comprehend it. And
Speaker 1: I tell that to people who think about going into
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. Definitely, that's what you want, the experience.
Speaker 1: You know, you can read a couple of books and
Speaker 1: say oh, I'm an expert. Now, that does not that's
Speaker 1: not what truly makes you an expert. It's out in
Speaker 1: the field, true boots on the ground research. You got
Speaker 1: to do that. But even if you're just an arm
Speaker 1: chair researcher look into it's still fascinating all the many
Speaker 1: different rabbit holes that you over down. It is still
Speaker 1: the mysteries of this world. And I think that make
Speaker 1: to me, makes a lot of life.
Speaker 2: Worth living, absolutely and pretty much what you.
Speaker 3: Said, you know, I know for myself, I feel like
Speaker 3: the experiences that we have become our knowledge, you know,
Speaker 3: and we kind of we can learn from that at
Speaker 3: least are our experiences of the.
Speaker 2: Stuff in school, you know, stef you know, schools that
Speaker 2: were As we gain more experiences, we kind of start putting.
Speaker 3: Pieces together, or at least we try to do anyway,
Speaker 3: you know, and and we start building conclusions off of
Speaker 3: what we experience, you know. But you know me myself,
Speaker 3: you know, I can I can only speak for myself,
Speaker 3: and maybe there's other ways out there, but we try
Speaker 3: not to jump to conclusions. But the more you learn
Speaker 3: about things with based off of what you experienced, collaborate
Speaker 3: with others who experience the same things, and they may
Speaker 3: have gain more out of their experiences than one. With
Speaker 3: what we or I myself may have experienced and it
Speaker 3: gives you something to build off, you know, something to
Speaker 3: grow up. So but with my experiences, I love to
Speaker 3: share my experiences and my conclusions.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: My biggest thing is spreading awareness of what's out there
Speaker 3: and part of the reason why I love interviewing people
Speaker 3: like you, you know, and it gives everybody something to
Speaker 3: listen to, something to consider, if anything, at least consider it,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, no one's here to prove to
Speaker 3: you or you know, shove our beliefs down you down
Speaker 3: your throat.
Speaker 2: Listen to the experiences.
Speaker 3: No one's here to tell you to believe them, but
Speaker 3: at least consider them is what I would tell people.
Speaker 3: But with all this being said and done, Dennis, I can't.
Speaker 2: Thank you enough. This has been amazing. I love the
Speaker 2: information that you.
Speaker 3: Shared and this has been educational and very informative to me,
Speaker 3: and I hope others.
Speaker 2: Take it the same way. So thank you again for
Speaker 2: agreeing to do this with me. And uh welcome, I'm
Speaker 2: quite welcome. Absolutely