WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:03.399 But I will thank you. Dan. We've known each other 2 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:06.919 for a while and it's good we can connect dud 3 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:08.599 life this and you know, it's good to make a 4 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:11.560 record of a lot of this stuff, absolutely a lot of 5 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:14.560 our experiences, because when we're gone, that history goes with us. 6 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:18.320 Unfortunately if we don't record it. I've always felt that 7 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:20.839 there is no story that should not be recorded. It 8 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:23.440 should not be lost to history. That's the definite thing. 9 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:26.039 But yeah, I got into this. I've been I'm an 10 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:28.480 old monster hunter. I call myself a monster hunter. I 11 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:33.119 track them sometimes and I like tracking monsters, and I've 12 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:37.200 been doing this well over now half a century and 13 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.840 it's never got old. I enjoy it. I enjoy all 14 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:46.119 aspects of the paranormal and the supernatural. I began active 15 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:51.359 investigation when I was about the age of fifteen years old. 16 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:56.840 That year I had a paranormal experience that where I 17 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:03.039 saw actually saw three spirits, spiritual beings, and that kind 18 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:06.359 of looked the fire under me to understand this other 19 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:08.879 side of the universe that we can't see, how the 20 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:12.519 unseen effects was seen, which is why later on I 21 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:16.719 became a doctor of metaphysics to understand a lot of this, 22 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:20.799 but it little fire under me, all those years ago fire, 23 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:24.319 it's still burning, burning hotter than it ever has before. Actually, 24 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:26.760 the older I get, the more interested, the more I 25 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.840 know that. Definitely, my time is running getting shorter, and 26 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.439 I want to know more. So investigation has stepped up 27 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.159 a few rungs from me, definitely. But at the very 28 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.200 early age of fifteens when I began active, I've always 29 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:43.920 been interested. I can't remember your time when you know, 30 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:45.599 I was a monster kid. I had to watch the 31 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.280 monster movies. When I was a kid, I watched, you know, 32 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:51.920 a lot of the old Universal movies and Universal Studio 33 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.000 movies and stuff like that. I remember my teachers getting 34 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:58.680 on to me when I was very young about watching 35 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.000 all the monster movies, and they said, you know, doesn't 36 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.159 that scare you? Doesn't it give you a nightmareas you though? 37 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:06.200 And I said, well, no, no, I like it, you know, 38 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.280 I enjoy it. And I said, and you know, but 39 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:11.400 even as a child, I kind of knew in the 40 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.080 back of my mind that what gave me sort of 41 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.319 you know, comfort with that thing, was that I didn't 42 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.199 really believe all of this stuff. Of course, what I 43 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:19.240 was seeing was made up. 44 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:20.039 You know. 45 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:22.759 I knew that, A part of me knew that, although 46 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:24.960 I enjoyed it, but I put it on the back 47 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:27.800 of the legist book I'm coming out with pretty soon. 48 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.080 I put a little thing on the back that says 49 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.479 that shows a little boy watching TV, watching monster movies 50 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:36.919 on TV, and this is what he says, and this 51 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.719 is sort of amorrow I've lived by. It says that 52 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.000 when you are a child, you believe that monsters are ill, 53 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:48.039 then you go up to find out they really are. 54 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:54.840 And that's my experience with it, definitely, and throughout the years, 55 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:58.280 I have tracked many different types of beings. I have 56 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.439 been on the trail of wear wolves. I have been 57 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.479 on the trail of vampires. I've hunted them. I've actually 58 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.199 looked for the wampus cat. I've looked full the shadow, 59 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.960 all the different types of cryptids that are out there. 60 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:17.439 I've been from West Virginia down to Alabama looking into 61 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:21.520 these things. Matter of fact, I can see the Appalachian 62 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:25.280 Mountains from my front door, so I have always been 63 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.599 in this region and it is a fascinating It is 64 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.439 one of my absolute favorite places in the world because 65 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:35.360 it has so much superstition, so much so many legends 66 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:38.719 and stories and cryptids and all this other stuff that's 67 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.240 involved with it. But at the age I remember the 68 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.000 very first case that I had that I actually physically 69 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.960 investigated when I was fifteen years old, and it was 70 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:52.680 a werewolf siding. Werewolves are some of my favorite cryptids, definitely. 71 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:56.960 I have studied them extensively over the years, and I'm 72 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.319 going to tell you a couple of stories related to 73 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:05.439 that few minutes here. Interesting thing is that the one 74 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:09.000 that I investigated at that time turned out to be 75 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.199 something I think from a bottle more or less, but 76 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.919 it did still disappoint me. It made me more and 77 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.160 over more and more about these things. And as a 78 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:21.120 matter of fact, where the town that I am born 79 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.800 in where I live now actually had a where wolf 80 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.439 siding back in the nineteen forties, very famous where wolf 81 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:32.480 siding that made national and international headlines as a matter 82 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.800 of fact, and I have been involved in that over 83 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.720 the years, looking more and deeper into that that case 84 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.759 as well. But unfortunately that where wolf has never put 85 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.879 in an appearance. I'm waiting for him. I hope you 86 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.800 will one day. I hope he comes back. But anyway, 87 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:55.519 over the all thesey decades I have. I've gone by 88 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.160 civil rules of my own. Comes to monster hunting, the 89 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:04.000 number one rule is as the hunter, you never want 90 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.680 to become the hunted, and you've got to be very 91 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.639 careful about that. I enjoy going through the woods, looking 92 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.199 on the trail or something. I enjoy tracking things. You know, 93 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.439 and most of the time you will not have clear tracks. 94 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.360 We call that a track line. Sometimes you want to 95 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.519 have a clear track line, but you still see things. 96 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:26.199 You may see a boking, blank branch, or some disturbed 97 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.439 grass or leaves. You can still track something like if 98 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:31.120 you know how to do it, and if you're washing 99 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.040 in variousue, but you've got to be very close to 100 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.639 your environment and you've got to kind of know what 101 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.279 it is you're looking for. When I tell a lot 102 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:42.120 of want to be monster hunters, something that's very important 103 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.759 that they should remember. You need to have a plan 104 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.800 in place if you do find the monster. Am I, 105 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:49.480 oh no, I'm gonna do with that? Or you know 106 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.879 they don't have that plan, but you need And another 107 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.839 rule of monster hunting is you definitely need to know 108 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.079 what it is you're looking for. You need to know 109 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:03.680 everything about it. It's nuances the tracks image and whatever 110 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.920 the situation is. And also of course you need to 111 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:10.519 know how to protect yourself against should you actually find 112 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:16.319 this monster. And I remember very distinctly been many years ago. 113 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.720 I was with two Cherokee brothers in the mountains of 114 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.519 North Carolina one night. It was almost night, all nightfall, 115 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.279 and we had been tracking what we thought that day 116 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:28.319 was the wampus cat. Now, the wampus cat is a 117 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:32.079 very unusual sort of mountain lion looking cryptid. It is 118 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.560 very large, though bigger than an average round line. Here's 119 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.439 the interesting part about it's supposed to have six legs. 120 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.079 And so what we were we were tracking what we 121 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.839 thought this thing was. That's what we were looking for. Okay, 122 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.720 we didn't know that it was something else all together different, 123 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.920 But we never got any clear tracks on it. We 124 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.319 didn't have a clear track line, although there was still 125 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.480 you know, a way of track. And they were excellent trackers. 126 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.279 They were. They were two brothers, I think think or 127 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.120 cousin something like that. They were kin to each other. 128 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.120 But they were excellent trackers. They're good friends of mine. 129 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.600 They both passed on now, but they were they were 130 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.040 great trackers. And we were it was getting dark and 131 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:14.879 Finally we got a clear track line down by next shoe, 132 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:17.800 a creek that was running down through a haller that 133 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:23.800 was down in there. And so we noticed something very 134 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.920 strange about these tracks. And they got kind of quiet. 135 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.240 They were, you know, I wouldn't say they were real talkative, 136 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.000 because you don't need to be that way in the woods, 137 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.759 especially when you're tracking something. But they got very quiet, 138 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.519 more quiet than usual. And they began to slow down 139 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:39.279 a little bit. And I noticed this, but I didn't 140 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.680 say anything. I didn't know if maybe they were getting 141 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:46.680 tired or what, you know. And so, uh, as we 142 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:48.639 went on, I got to looking at these tracks. I 143 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.120 got a clearer look at them, and I looked at 144 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.759 one of the brothers and I said, that's not my 145 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.759 line like tracks. That's not cat tracks. And they said, yeah, 146 00:07:57.800 --> 00:07:59.920 that's not kind you know, they say, agreed with me, Yeah, 147 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.600 it's not cat tracks. And what we were looking at 148 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.319 was on four You could tell it was, you know, 149 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.759 on four legs. It was on four feet going down 150 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.160 through there. And as the track line went along, I 151 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.519 noticed something very strange. It began to look like it 152 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:18.600 was walking through legs and stead of forward. And that's 153 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:20.680 when we stopped. It was like getting dark and I 154 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:23.279 don't remember, I remember very well. It was getting kind 155 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.360 of dark and there was you know, swarms back over 156 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:27.399 the mountains. We could see lighting around as there was 157 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.120 no rain yet, but it was, you know, it was 158 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.240 it was sort of a mode of muggy fall day. 159 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.399 I remember that well. We could see through the woods 160 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:38.720 pretty good leaves had not completely all fallen on, but 161 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.600 there had been a good many a good pretty leaf fall. 162 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.159 And I got looking at So I looked at one 163 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.759 of the brothers and I said, this is weird because 164 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:50.360 this thing started. I said, is it running? Because you know, 165 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.240 sometimes an animal where it runs makes different kind of tracks. 166 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:57.240 Sometimes they won't. Actually, and bars are very bad about this, bears, 167 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.159 and I've run into a lot of them over the years. 168 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.120 Bears will sometimes step in their own tracks. That's just 169 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.159 the way a barr is, these kind of lumbers around. 170 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.399 He does that. I consider the bear that would be 171 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.559 the real king of the far. We got to respect 172 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.720 those guys. They will eat anything, and I do anything. 173 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.120 But this was not bear tracks. This was something else. 174 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:17.840 And I said, I got to look at I said, 175 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.600 this looks like a big dog, or or almost like 176 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:23.960 wolf tracks, but it still did not look like Ashu 177 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.919 wool wolf tracks. And at that time there weren't there weren't. 178 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.279 I don't think any wolves left in the mountain. They 179 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:35.399 have been, they have been programs that they put the woolves, 180 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.159 I think the red wolves back in the North Carolina mountains, 181 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.039 but they weren't at that time. This has been many 182 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:42.639 years ago. And I said, this is a big dog 183 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:45.960 or what is this? And the one of the boys 184 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.679 looked at me and he said. He had a funny 185 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:51.600 look on his face and he said, this is not 186 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:56.399 a dog. It's not that. And that's when the other 187 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:59.840 brothers said something to Turkey and I said, what do 188 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:03.679 you And he had a look at you again, funny 189 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.279 look on and say she said look. He said, we 190 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.600 didn't shine up to go with you to track any 191 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.559 kind of a damn werewolf out here, and that's what 192 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.720 this is a werewolf and we're leaving now. And h 193 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:19.960 I said, okay, well that's the case that that I'll 194 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:23.000 probably have to leave with you. I'm not gonna stand 195 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.200 here all in the dark. But this so that was 196 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.559 very interesting, and uh, it made an impression on me. 197 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.200 What where are we tracking the day, and whatever it was, 198 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.480 and here's here's a little side note on the story. 199 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:36.399 Whatever it was had been playing with us all day. 200 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.279 It was like playing a cat, a cat and mouse 201 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.720 game with us. Uh. It would slow down, and it 202 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:43.159 would hurry up, she would speed up. 203 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:43.480 It was. 204 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.440 It was like it was playing us and leading us 205 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.559 deeper and deeper into in the woods there. And that 206 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.519 was kind of strange and that kind of made me 207 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.639 feel kind of suspicious too about this thing. What was 208 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.159 it up to? And here's the thing about the werewolf. Okay, 209 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:01.440 and uh, I've done I've done a lot of lectures 210 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.360 and stuff on werewolves, have stood in them a lot 211 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:04.960 over the years, and I think I'm gonna tell you 212 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.240 the story shortly, but one I think I may have 213 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:12.200 actually seen. But the werewolf the most dangerous aspect of it. 214 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.200 Of all the cryptids that you may run into, the 215 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:21.799 werewolf definitely has a very beastual, huge body of very muscular, 216 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.240 very deadly kind of a beast. But the most deadly 217 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.240 part of the werewolf was the fact that it has 218 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:32.120 the mind of a man. That makes it more dangerous 219 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:34.480 than anything you could ever a bossily run into. Most 220 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.720 of the now and and this thing was like that. 221 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.879 It was like leading us on. He was having a 222 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:42.799 it was playing with us. That's what he basically was. 223 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.000 And so when they left, I left with them and 224 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.759 that was the that was the end of that tracking episode. 225 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.360 But that was very strange. They both had and they 226 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:52.960 both kind of you know, they kind of turned pale 227 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.559 and said, we're not going to do this. This is it, 228 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:59.320 We're leaving. Uh. And these guys they weren't whims. I mean, 229 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.759 they there were really men man or amen. They wasn't 230 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.080 gonna rhyme for him anything. But when they ran into this, 231 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.240 they changed their minds very quickly, because you like I do. 232 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.159 And I found out later that the werewolf is an 233 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.840 apex killer. It is psychotic in the way that it 234 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.559 tracks people down. Once it gets your set, and I 235 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.679 do mean that literally, once it gets your set, it 236 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:25.639 will never stop until it takes care of you one 237 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.080 way or the other. And most of the time you 238 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.360 do not live that. Somebody asked me the other day, 239 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.159 you know, doctor Carl, why aren't there that many werewolf 240 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.720 sightings on record. There's very one good reason why, because 241 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:42.200 no one ever lives most of the time to give 242 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.960 one to give any kind of report on them. That's 243 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.759 the werewolf. It doesn't usually leave you alive, you know. 244 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.639 I've talked about this over the years about what dog 245 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:55.759 Man and werewolves, and the one important thing about dog Man, 246 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:58.879 and I may have spotted him to on occasion, the 247 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.320 one thing about dog Man is that he is dog 248 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:06.360 Man twenty four to seven. That's the way he always remains. 249 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.759 He's part of the animal kingdom. In some ways. The 250 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.240 werewolf is different. The werewolf is made up of demonic 251 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:18.399 type energy, darkness. It is something that is very supernatural, 252 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.480 and yet it exists physically also at the same time 253 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:26.840 in our reality. But the werewolf, if it gets on 254 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.080 your trail, it's never gonna cut you a break. It's 255 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:33.799 gonna get you. And if you ever live through an 256 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:39.320 actual werewolf sighting or experience, you are incredibly, incredibly lucky. 257 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:42.200 Somebody's going to have for you, definitely, because the werewolf 258 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:44.679 will not usually let you go. And there's an old 259 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:48.039 saying I think in Europe about the werewolf that he 260 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:51.720 will hunt you down by night and when sun rises 261 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:55.000 there will not be anything left of you to be seen. 262 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:05.519 Wow, that is very interesting. 263 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.320 Now, I don't know what about Bigfoot, one thing you 264 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:15.440 mentioned about the werewolf, and and you know how it's 265 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:19.320 more of a demonic thing, you know, also physical the 266 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:23.039 same realm uh. Some people believe that Bigfoot is also 267 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.080 both physical and could be also spiritual as well. 268 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.679 I mean, do you see Bigfoot in the same manner? 269 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:36.480 Absolutely, there may be some actual connection to that. Because 270 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:38.600 the big Foot shotting that I had, and I had 271 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.320 started him several times over the years, way off of 272 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.159 the distance or through the woods, it wasn't what I 273 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.519 call a cling siding. You know, you couldn't as I 274 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.360 could see him, but I couldn't. Literally I got a 275 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:51.840 lot of features on him. I knew what he was though. 276 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.519 It wasn't a bear. I mean I spotted bear anytimes. 277 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.559 What you saw was a bad Oh no, no, it 278 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:00.120 wasn't that. I know what a bear looks like, and 279 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.759 that's what it comes to see with a wolf or werewolves. Actually, 280 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.639 when you saw, people saw that was a bear. Bears 281 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.159 do not have pointed ears. Bears have rounded light. Here 282 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.720 you can tell that the different profile of a bear 283 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:16.000 compared to that. But the big Foot siding I had, 284 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.519 when I finally actually had a close up siding out, 285 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.200 it h was very dramatic that way. I had two 286 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.440 guys with me that night, and we were doing that 287 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.159 what they do when the flush of mandine tigers. I 288 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.600 was jungle. I sent one guy on the left of 289 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:32.320 me way down in the woods, and I sent the 290 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.279 other guy on the right of me way down. It 291 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.320 was I stayed in the middle and I stayed out there. 292 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.360 I remember sitting on a loll that night. It was dark. 293 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.360 I mean, you know, nobody really realizes unless you go 294 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.360 out and I was like you and I do definitely 295 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.399 how very very dark it can be out there, especially 296 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:50.360 when there's no moon, and there was no moon. But 297 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.679 I was watching and scanning the forest with where they 298 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:59.519 you know, mock here. That was a night vision scope 299 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.759 and if you've ever used once a long period of time, 300 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:04.600 they will begin to hurt your eye a little bit, 301 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.159 you know. And so I was casting when hed Hi 302 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.000 I heard him coming up sliding and it was not 303 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.600 very loud, because this guy is excellent at the movement 304 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:17.559 that he moved, the way he moved through the woods 305 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.120 and everything. But I heard it. I didn't know what 306 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:21.480 it was. I thought it was one of the guys. 307 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.159 What really I was thinking about it. Amabe one of 308 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.440 those guys coming back, and that kind of, you know, 309 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.559 ticked me off because he wasn't supposed to be coming 310 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.720 back right now, you know, So I kind of I 311 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.600 stood up. In the moment I stood up, I put 312 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:35.720 the monocular to my eye, and that's when I saw him. 313 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:40.159 He was maybe the moment I stood up, I could 314 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.559 have reached out and I actually touched him. That's how 315 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.039 close I was to it. I could smell him. I 316 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.679 could almost even feel the heat off of his body 317 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.919 and was a hot, muggy song, you know. I could 318 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.080 almost feel that off of he and the expressions fast 319 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:57.960 is he kind of turned th me and what he was. 320 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:01.200 He was going through some false aplings in front of us. 321 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:05.279 They maybe were maybe five six foot highs, and he 322 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.480 didn't moved on one of them was moving, you know, 323 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:10.079 and he as he went out, had brushed it. And 324 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.079 he was going towards a very large white tree that 325 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.119 was there. I mean very large. He was so large 326 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.279 I could not put my arms all the way around 327 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.240 this tree. It was huge, and it was at least 328 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.400 with three hundred year old luke definitely. Anyway, he's going 329 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.160 towards that and was about to step behind it. When 330 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.359 he looked back at me, well, what are you doing here? 331 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:33.240 You know, he has sort of a surprised look. Say, 332 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.880 I'm sure I had one on my face too, and 333 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.799 we were like, oh god, you know. And I was 334 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:42.359 still looking through the ocutor and I couldn't, you know, 335 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:44.400 and I didn't want to take it down because I 336 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:46.960 wouldn't be able to see him. And I was still 337 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:49.160 looking through the monocular at him, and that's when he 338 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.279 kind of looked at me and just like and it 339 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.960 was a it was a very strange expression. It was like, 340 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.319 what are you in here? You know, You're the last 341 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.599 thing I need. It kind of kind of you know, 342 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.359 checked him off a little bit. I think because I 343 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:04.160 was there, he didn't like it. Put it that way. 344 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:08.119 I got the feelings on that. And it was it 345 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.279 was not ape looking like a lot of people think 346 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:12.559 big wood. It was not. It didn't appear to me 347 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.240 as being more ape feature like, but he had he 348 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.079 was a different feature than a man would be. He 349 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.880 I've tried to find some pictures over the years. I'm 350 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.759 not that good at painting and drawing, but I've tried 351 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.799 to find pictures of the years. They got very close 352 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.799 to what you know I saw that none just from 353 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.200 my own recollection of it. But why I want to 354 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.839 say this. While looking through that monocular, I noticed something 355 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.799 very strange about it, and I thought about I didn't 356 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.279 a lot at the time. I didn't even know I 357 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.200 registered it, but didn't, you know, pursue it until later 358 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.240 when I was thinking about this experience. What it was 359 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.839 he mcame. The image of him was like fuzzy like 360 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.799 around the edges. And I'm not gonna say he was 361 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.599 some de materializing. I'm not gonna go that route. I'm 362 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.839 not sure, but it may have been in the effect 363 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.720 of the monocular, uh you know not and thing only 364 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.400 on the very fur the reflection office fur something that 365 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.200 could have been that. I can't really say for sure 366 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.839 one hundred percent, but let me tell you this. The 367 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.680 moment he stepped behind that line, open and all thinking 368 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:14.400 that we didn't even want to run business, and I 369 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.279 said no, I was running towards him. I wanted to 370 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:18.680 see more of it. I was close enough I could 371 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:20.680 have reached out and grabbed him. I was that close 372 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.880 to him and I and as he went in behind 373 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.160 that lie oak, I followed immediately. I went around it 374 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.599 and went behind and he was gone completely, and I 375 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.200 could see down through the woods. I was looking for 376 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.599 him and oot everywhere could There's no way he could 377 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.519 have walked off down through those woods without me seeing 378 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:42.000 the trail that did with behind. There was no way 379 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:43.720 he gonness. I looked up the tree. Was he up 380 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:45.480 in the tree? I looked around. Was there been a 381 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:47.880 hole around here or something? I searched. A matter of fact, 382 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.680 I went back the next day and and looked all 383 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:53.599 around there. There was there some kind of hole, some 384 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:56.480 kind of hidden trap door. To this day I can 385 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:58.920 tell you, not tell you where he went when he 386 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:04.400 un but he just was not there in my reality anymore, definitely, 387 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:07.240 because if he had been, I would have been able 388 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:09.359 to see him. I was that close enough to him. 389 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:14.000 And the most interesting thing about this sighting was the 390 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.319 next day when I went back, I saw I remember 391 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:18.839 a limb over his head, and I measured that limb 392 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:23.319 and it came out as something like around eight foot 393 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:27.359 seven at least. He was very muscular, but he was 394 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.759 very lean muskuyar. He wasn't built like a bodybuilder kind 395 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:32.559 of musclelike you know what you see in a lot 396 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.720 of these depictions of Bigfoot. He was very lean, but 397 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:42.359 very muscular. Still a muscular, but kind of lean, and 398 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.000 his movements were very fluid. He was not, you know, 399 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.480 like a bear. Bears can be kind of lumbering, They 400 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.880 can kind of be hard to move. He was very 401 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.680