Speaker 1: Off the bench. We have to Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Well, the plays get broken down and Science gets denied
to come off the bitch. Hour two of Off the Bench,
Live from the Raising Kine Studio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back here Off the Bench Wednesday morning,
taking off hour at number two. Thanks for joining us
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Speaker 3: How are we doing doing great? Everything's good, everything's We're
in the big chair today. I'm feeling special over here.
Speaker 2: This is great. I know you had to move Cane
the dogs. You didn't have to hit her too, put
him in their place. Oh, everything's good though, life's good.
That's great. All right? Good you were you? Did you
come talk to Taylor and laundr last week?
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, actually I got to have your chair last week,
so I'm getting the whole He's the studio.
Speaker 4: He schooled us on like the Earth orbiting and stuff.
Speaker 2: You talk about that a little bit, Yes, Spring equinox.
Taylor made the point yesterdays. It's like, why don't we
just like take a day away from a couple of months.
Speaker 4: That's what we talked about and how we could do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because eventually, if you did take a day away
from a month, like winter would be in the spring,
summer would be in the winter, it'd be that kind
of situation.
Speaker 2: We don't want that.
Speaker 4: M hmm.
Speaker 2: Combine week, combine combine. Wee what a week? What a
what a week? We talked about So Jake and I
talked about this a lot, like leading up to the Combine.
He's at the Combine this week, so we talked about
a lot Monday too. It is certainly a huge week
for every player involved. It's certainly a huge week. And
and the sexy stuff is what most people talk about.
It's like what forty to run? How much did he bench?
How much did he do this? Well, we looked at
the schedule yesterday, like quarterbacks, receivers, running backs report on Tuesday.
They don't even hit the field till Saturday. Saturday. Now
that's four nights that they got and then I think
they do bench press on Sunday, so like it's a long,
long week. It's even longer than when went back of
my day, like twenty years ago doing it. So most
of this is certainly player interviews, but the other important part,
of course, is on the medical side of things. These
kids are put through the wringer. If you will have you,
I want to talk about your kind of you probably
have some stuff going on with the comb I'm sure
these team doctors before they even get to the combine,
especially people like high on lists and their teams are
thinking about I'm sure they're reaching out to colleges and
getting different medical documents and opinions and talking to team doctors. Yeah,
it's a process.
Speaker 3: So we definitely have episodes where we have teams reach
out to us, especially if you have a you know,
a big player that had any kind of a major injury.
Of course you know right away you're getting something that
there is anything in their medical history. They're gonna get
all the documentation, they're gonna have the notes, the imaging,
everything that was done to that athlete up to this point.
Speaker 2: You'll have access to that. And and I did you.
Speaker 3: Know, I get that got the pleasure of getting to
go to the Combine one year as a medical provider.
Got I was in the room with the Saints when
they were there, and and getting to see that whole process.
And I know y'all have talked about it, but it
was it was an eye opening experience. I mean, it's
it is and and I felt so guilty for the
medical treatment these guys get and and again it's all
obviously of the best intentions and and look, it's a
huge investment if you're drafting a guy, especially you're going
to draft a guy early, and a big part of
it is is the medical You don't want to draft
a guy who's only going to play for a season
and then be out, or a guy there's no we're going.
Speaker 2: To see the fieldment.
Speaker 3: So so it was a it was an interesting process,
you know, the and I know y'all talked about it some.
Every you know, every team gets a and so the
way the way they did it is you had one
room right in the beginning, so all the players come
through this one room and that's.
Speaker 2: Like the general medroom.
Speaker 3: And I know you went through it, but in that room,
that's where you're you're geting your bood pressure, you're getting
an ey KG. You have a doc listened to your
heart and lungs and all the basic medical non orthopedic, muscular,
skeletal stuff. And the funny thing is you do that
once and and and and one doctor or you usually
two docks that represent two different teams. So if like
you and I were docks for you know, the Saints
and the Bucks, we'd be in that room and then
the rest of the docks kind of just take you
my report and they say, okay, this is But then
you go to the orthopedic side. And that's the part
y'all were talking about where every team there's there's like
we leave six rooms. Yeah, uh five or six teams
in each room.
Speaker 2: Yep. I think that. I think that's right because I
think Jake said that you sit in one room, but
I remember it going to a couple of different rooms
that had like eight doctors like cracking their knucklesh. Yeah,
and it's go.
Speaker 3: And I will say the part that was interesting there's
still a good bit of camaraderie in the medicine, which
I was a little bit surprised. So so like in
our room, for example, is like the Saints, the Bucks,
the Giants, I think the Panthers, and I think the
packers are in our room and and so each one
has a couple docks, they have their athletic trainers, and
so you know, when you're in there, we're gonna do
a basic orthopedic exam and then focus on any injury
you had. So if you had a shoulder injury while
you were here, or high ankle injury, we're going to
really take a look at that. And if and if
I think that we need to get an MRI in
your ankle based on what we see or have or
don't have, I'm gonna order the MRI. And then then
you go to the next room, and the next room
might be five other teams, and they say, you know what,
we need to get a CT scan in a shoulder. So
then they're going to write that on your sheet. And
so at the end of the day you have this
sheet with all the evaluations and you're gonna have all
these studies. They have the MRI machines there at Lucas Oil.
They have the semis out back. Really, yeah, they are
there at the facility now, so you don't have to
go to the hospitals all the side. Yeah, that was
the w So that's yeah, because you have the mobile
units where they can do it. So it's all done
there at least unless it's maybe some kind of really
bizarre test that you need to get done. And and
so at the end of the day you're gonna say, ok, hey, Matt,
your your mrise at eight o'clock to night. They have
that thing run late late late, you know, through the night,
and then the next day like one a one time
from the hostil I was at the hospital for eight
hours and I think, I don't know how late it goes.
It's probably nearly round the clock. And then the next
day we get those reports back and then we kind
of go back and we look at it. But the
part that was interesting is all the teams in that
room together at least talk, So after you leave the room,
we would all sit there and talk and and for me,
maybe one of the greatest educational experiences I've had as
a doctor was sitting here listening to the best of
the best you know in that room. At least it's
five teams, and so I'm listening to the you know,
Bobby Anderson, who's a legendary foot and ankle guy who
at the time is with the Packers. I'm listening to
him talk about ankle injuries and this guy's ankle.
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, for the athletes, you go.
Speaker 3: From room to room, people are pulling on your niche,
whist on, and especially if you had a knee injury,
we are going to test the every living you know
what out of that. I mean, it is insane. And
so then you leave at the end of the day,
like you said, you probably weren't sore and you got there.
But if I pull on your knee over and over
and over, even if that needs great, it's gonna it's
gonna be soords it's but and then the interesting thing
is the all the teams talk. But then at the end,
each team comes up with their own assessment, and we
would grade you as like if you had nothing, you
would be an A, and there's nobody this an except
for maybe a punter. And then then it was like
a B. And this is like every team has on
her scale, but some version of this. And then you
get to like a C. And that's what really most
people are. That means you've had injuries rather significant. Maybe
some that may give you issues. And then we had
a designate a number. I'll give you a C five,
which means you're a you've had some injuries, and I
think you've got a five year career based on your
medical alone. And I mean that's it's a lot of speculation,
and it's a lot of pressure. And then like you
had like a D or an E, which was like
the guy who has a current injury, so we have
to reassess you. And then then you fail a guy
like hey, I don't think you'll ever play, Yeah, you
know so, and the whole thing is crazy, and and
and then to do all that, and I remember the
year I was there that there was there was guys
that would come through and and this is their dream.
And then you know, you'd hear these guys talking like, oh,
his knees are horrible, their shot, he's already got early
arthritis in both knees.
Speaker 2: He ain't gonna last three years.
Speaker 3: And this is the guy that may have been like
a fifth round prospect who's now out of the draft
because of that grade. And it's it's and you know,
maybe one team doesn't feel that way. You hope for
that kid, but on the other hand, it's like, gosh,
this is this is brutal.
Speaker 2: Now do you all would the doctors like communicate, Like
if you're in the same room and you got a
Green Bay doctor and then you got a Broncos doc, Derek,
could they potentially have two completely different evaluations? For sure?
Speaker 3: For sure, now we're gonna talk about the eval altogether.
But maybe I don't think that your knee situation is
quite as bad. I'm like, you know, I might saw
I might grade you like a B and he might
say you're a C and or I might say you're
a C five and give you a C two. So
there's a lot of variability and and that's where the
part does separate. But we might still, you know, I
might talk about it, and then I might not tell
you my grade.
Speaker 2: I might, you know, kind of.
Speaker 3: That was more than that one part that was gamesmanship,
and that's the part that is, you know, so at
the end of the day, we share information, I say,
and I will say it was pretty honest, like, hey,
I'm really worried about this kid's knee. He was a
little bit loose already. That cartilage on his zimri looks
pretty rough. All those are things we might talk about,
but that the end of the day, the grade that
we give you is not shared. That's the one part
that was of kept secret, even though there was, like
I said, a lot of sharing of info.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: So, like I said, we listened to guy talked about
the ankle, and I'm like, you know, I think it's
a little better than he thinks.
Speaker 2: And that part would be up on the teams. So like, yeah,
the Cowboys doctor sitting there and he's asking the opinion
of like the Texans doctor and he's like, I guess sucks.
I mean that doctor sucks.
Speaker 3: You know, there probably is a little of that is awful.
Speaker 2: Where good? Where'd he go to school? Right? So three
hundred nineteen prospects, we're invited to the twenty twenty six
NFL Combine. That's a lot of poking and pride, and
that's a lot of work for the doctor. Like, that's
a big job for them. Has there ever been a
doctor get injured at the combine? I'm sure there has.
I'm sure there has. I was not aware of anybody. Yeah,
I gotta imagine that much. That much, that much? Do
you know?
Speaker 3: You get some of these guys that are a little
banged up. Some of the guys a little more seasoned,
maybe they uh that shoulder don't hold it up as well.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned with any of the uh, any big
injuries for LSU.
Speaker 3: Guys headed towards I think everybody's gonna do pretty well.
I think I think, you know, we come into it,
there's a tour set that's going to be talk It
was about a lot. You know, they're going to talk
a lot about that. You know, we've had some guys
that that going into this are gonna have questions, but
you know, I think most of our guys are coming
in are pretty healthy.
Speaker 2: Okay. Along with that tour, So, like Garrett has Garrett
came out and lard Singapore and kind of said that
there was something there, but he didn't really give any
specifics was there is It just kind of like, uh,
we don't really know what what this is and it's
just it's an AB injury. Just can't use a strain
muscle or something. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know it's something that you know, he
battled with for a while and it's something that he
really fought, fought hard with and I respected that part
of it because he had to play through that and
try and figure out ways to make it work. We
had to try and find ways to make it work.
You know, I think with the specifics of the injury,
like I'm not sure what I'm allowed to go into
and what I'm not because some of it is public
information now some of it isn't. Obviously, we know he
had anab injury and and and it was something that again.
Speaker 2: He gritted it out. Give him a lot of you know,
we did, we did all we.
Speaker 3: Could to help him, and you know, unfortunately some injuries just.
Speaker 2: So sure, it'll be talked a lot about this week.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there will be some scations thirty two team doctors.
It's a big deal because if it's and I don't
think it would be, but if he had an injury
that would affect him the rest of his career, you
want to know that. And whereas if it's something that
was something we can work through, which I believe it is,
I think I think a lot of teams are gonna say, hey,
this is something he's gonna get better from.
Speaker 2: He's good now, he's going to be hopefully have a
long career. Yeah, well, we wish all the l few players,
of course, at the Best this week, I do want
to talk about another pretty famous injury in another completely
different sport. Lindsey Vaughan broker leg and I'm sure I
think we've probably talked a little bit about it with
you on the show. But recently she's had I think
six or seven surgeries so far since she has famously
broken her leg thirteen seconds into her first run during competition.
You know, not the rumor, but it had been reported
ACL injury the week before, obviously a terrible injury. I
think I looked through the list. I couldn't find it
this morning, but it was like broken tibia, torn, ac raptured, ACL,
like it's like a list of seven or eight things
on that line that happened. She has come out since then.
I think she posted an Instagram post that said that
the doctor we were close to having to amputate my
leg because the injuries were so severe. The doctor that
did the procedure basically saved my leg. And I had this,
I saw it, read this an incredible quote this morning,
quote from Wendsey Vaughn. He cut both sides of my
leg kind of pilated open, so to speak, to let
it breathe, and that was part of the surgery that
kind of saved her leg from having to be ampty
day Taylor. People out the picture of her x rays, Doc,
I just want to kind of talk to you about
the severity of this type of injury. Certainly this is
her X ray after post surgery, about seventeen thousand screws, nuts, bolts, plates,
the whole deal. Like, what happens in a situation like
where it's such a severe traumatic event to a leg
or a limb that has to nearly be amputated.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I think the first thing to talk
about is is she developed a condition called compartment syndrome,
and that was the first surgery they did. That was
the one that you know, ultimately saved the legs. As
she said, so, compartment syndrome is a situation that's pretty
much always going to be associated with some kind of
massive traumatic injury, a crush injury we often see so
a lot of times, like construction accidents, you worry about that,
motor vehicle accidents, But if you have an injury that
has the amount of fractures she had, you know, clearly
based on your pairriage, you can see a lot of
different fracture lines.
Speaker 2: You're having to hold that thing in white would be
the fresh line. Yes, all that white is where you
can see that fractures kind of through there. And they
did a great job.
Speaker 3: You know, her alignment looks great, But what happens is
you get so much bleeding in that tissue that you
end up getting a lot of swelling in the tissue.
And to recall compartment syndrome because in every muscular part
of the body you have these muscular compartments. In the
lower leg, you have four separate muscular compartments. And what
can happen in anyone, if not all of those, is
if you have so much rapid inflammation, you basically form
like a self tournique at that level wherever that inflammation is.
And so if you think about it, you're tourni getting
off or compressing off the blood flow to everything below that.
So if I suddenly increase the pressure drastically in your
leg to where the blood flow doesn't go further, everything
below that, if given the opportunity, will die. So the
procedure that she talked about where it's like they filay
her leg is called a fasciotomy. They go in, you
cut down and you basically literally just relieve the pressure.
You're you're letting that pressure out to allow blood flow to.
Speaker 2: Leave the a cut open the leg skin and the muscles,
and it just stays open for a period of time.
Speaker 3: Sometimes Now sometimes you just have to evacuate if there's
like a hematoma in there, so a mass of blood
that sort of coagulated it, and so a lot of
times you can go and remove that. Sometimes you'll leave
some of these things open for a bit until the
pressure can get stabilized and then close it. We'll see
that sometimes, like with major abdominal wounds, where they literally
leave your abdomen open to you know, if you have
a lot of pressure in there. So it's not just
in the legs you'll see this, but the lower leg
is one of the more common areas where people develop that.
And and again usually from a major trauma. You know,
this would obviously classify, but multiple broken bones that were displaced.
Then you got to let that sort of normalize. Then
you got to go back in and work on fixing
this thing. And that's so they go in and and
you're gonna have to repair you know, if there's any
vascular damage, you might look at that if there's any
damage the bones, you're gonna have to go back in
and sort of set those bones.
Speaker 2: You get the plates, the screws.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't want to do too much all
at once because it's all the swelling that can incur.
So sometimes a step, step by step process.
Speaker 2: So what would the fasciotomy like? So what would the
first surgery be? So if she had six, I think like, yeah,
the last I read it was six. It might be
more now, but what like what does that step process?
Speaker 3: So definitely the first one's got to be the fasciaout
of it that you're you're working against o'clock when you
know you only have a very limited timeframe as that
pressure goes up.
Speaker 2: Come here, you think about it.
Speaker 3: Your tissue can only go so long without oxygen, and
you might get a little bit of blood flow in
these compartment sents, but it's such a limited amount.
Speaker 2: That's the number one priority.
Speaker 3: Then once you kind of get the patients stable, then
we figure out, okay, is there is there other things
that need to be fixed? And obviously you're gonna you're
gonna stage these things with the worst case scenarios and
then work your way down. Let's let's focus on the
big injuries. Let's focus on the things that could cause
you to lose the limb. Was there a blood vessel?
Is damage that we need to go and repair, and
so a lot of times you're gonna get a vascular
surgeon involved with that. A lot of times these aren't
just done by the orthopedists. You're gonna have sometimes multiple
and you know, different specialists that are going to be
in there, and then and then you work your way down,
you know, to each one that you can fix and
and all this. You know, you got to kind of
there's not necessarily a specific order. I think you got
to take it case by case, but you got to
look at what the most serious things are and then
you kind of work down that list. Taylor, can you
put another picture of her in her hospital? I was
I was curious because I've just this type of injury.
I was curious as to what these this contraption is
right here as I'm assuming it's some sort of stabilization,
you can see that her leg is like cut open
right there. Yes, so a lot of times they'll do
different versions of that, some type of you know, external fixator.
It's gonna be something that sits outside the body. External
that's going to stabilize and hold your leg or your
arm or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Is in place.
Speaker 3: Most commonly we see these in leg injuries most common
the complex fractures, uh, and a lot of times these
are even attached to the person's bones and things like that.
You can see in the ends where it's actually it's
actually kind of pinned into like was is this attached
to her? Or the bed like is that's attached to her?
And then and so that's part of a surgery too,
and then you don't have to go and remove that.
So that's a procedure in and of itself, because this
thing is literally externally fixated. That's why I call it
an external fixation. So it's external to the body, but
it's fixed to the individual's bones and injuries and basically
just to hold everything in place so that it can
heal appropriately. You know, it's these are I mean, that's
a big big Have you ever had something this this personally? No,
I'm not, but but thankfully you know, it's something we'll
see sometimes and it's it's you know, again, most of
the times you see these types of injuries, big traumas,
car accidents, right, you know, construction injuries, Like I was
saying earlier, people had a big fall off of something.
But you'll see them sometimes in sports obviously, but it's
fortunately not something we see a lot in sports.
Speaker 2: Something like this that much Metalenia. Is she gonna ski?
I mean obviously a competition that at less, she's forty one,
she had this injury, but like, is there gonna be
long term like limping? She ever gonna go skis again?
You know, you you hope, you hope the best.
Speaker 3: And we've definitely seen circumstances where people have come back
from really crazy injuries. But I will say it's a
reasonable possibility that.
Speaker 2: This will be going to be a painful situation.
Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna cause a lot of pain. It's
gonna cause her issues probably the rest of her life. Now,
could I see a scenario where she really battles back
and as a rehab warrior and is able to at
least live a pretty normal life, maybe even ski maybe
not competitively obviously, Yeah, I could see that, you know,
I mean, but it's it's it's gonna be a big process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it's a painful situation, and it was
inspiring to see her compete, certainly, and heartbreaking to see
her injury like that. But I think she's the type
of competitor that she's certainly going to uh go out
on her shield if she has to, which she did,
so we wish her speedy or as fast as you
can recovery, hopefully over the least she's got the leg still, Yeah,
sounds a good thing. Scary stuff right there, But Doc,
we thank you for your time as always every week. Man,
thank you. Thanks for the insight too. That was awesome,
my pleasure. All right, guys, well, got a lot of
show left for you, got a great show left for you,
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I like that surgery, the fasciotomy. I guess, like looking back,
I guess I've heard of that before. But my god,
there was another picture of her in the hospital bed
where it was like her leg was like split open,
like twelve inches at least.
Speaker 4: Wait, so it showed it that graphic.
Speaker 2: Well, she had posted it or something.
Speaker 4: She posted a picture her leg. Well, don't pull it up.
Speaker 2: I saw it. I saw it on the socials and
I tried to I tried to find it this morning. Yeah,
and I couldn't find it. So I don't know if
they got edited or what.
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Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 6: I'm going through some stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, hey, hand in the air. What'd you say?
Speaker 7: The other?
Speaker 2: Chest op? Chestp chest up. I forgot to send Coach
Mokey a little text will remind her. So we're gonna
at the break here, we're gonna we're gonna call her. Okay,
get her on.
Speaker 4: For the best.
Speaker 2: I hope for the best.
Speaker 1: Text.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do need to give her a little check,
a little text.
Speaker 5: Wit. She said you didn't have her number. I just
sent it to you and I had just sent it to.
Speaker 2: The text and sure. Yeah, So I will send her
text and we are.
Speaker 4: Going to Did you send it just now?
Speaker 2: No? Because I'm talking right now.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well send it right now. I will fill the
dead air space while you send her a text, because
sending her a text right before we call her is
not the move.
Speaker 6: Get ready, get ready to coach. You're about to call
you about forty.
Speaker 5: So do you need me to text Jay Johnson today
or do you do you need his number?
Speaker 4: And do you want to tell?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Do we could? Jake Clark is ready to go Friday.
He knows Fridays are his thing.
Speaker 6: Now, Friday's Jake Clark, Friday, j Clarkark, he claimed it.
Speaker 5: Jay Johnson is supposed to come on tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Do you want to text him or do you need
me to?
Speaker 2: I'll text him.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well you're going to get him tomorrow.
Speaker 4: His number right now, you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: It's mostly not my job. The texting is usually Jake
does it. So you know Dad's not here this week.
Speaker 5: I told you when Jake leaves it, his mom left
the kids home with dad.
Speaker 2: Energy all right, we're going to see. If we don't,
we will try to. It might not be next segment,
but we will do our best here.
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I have not heard back. We're going to try to
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text first, so we will uh try to get here
on the line. And that's all me. Guess you didn't
want a cold call you, Well, I just think I
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Speaker 5: You subconsciously did this because you're scared to interview her.
Speaker 2: No, no, you got to make up for.
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Speaker 4: No intimidate.
Speaker 2: I'm a little intimidated. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 4: Feels like it stems from a place of fear.
Speaker 2: No, I don't have fear mhm, just nerves. H fear Not.
Speaker 6: You just want to be you want to be great
for coaches, she's great.
Speaker 5: Fear of not being great? It all stems from fear. Mm,
fear of embarrassing yourself.
Speaker 2: Just a little intimidated. Okay, because I have so much
respect for her.
Speaker 4: You respect her so much, you're scared of her.
Speaker 2: No, No, not scared. She's very nice.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe subconsciously, Yeah, I really did. I was
trying to forget to say her number last time. That's
on me again, chest out, that's on me. Guys. We're
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sports right now. College football. Certainly, we watched the drama
play out with Trinidad Chambliss over at Old Miss trying
to get his I've never seen a player not want
to go to the NFL so bad than Trinidad Chambliss.
Of course, I think it was denied six times, is
that right? Six times for you know, for obvious reasons. Finally,
some some local court decided to grant him that extra year. Certainly,
it's something that NCAA has has fought and tried to
fought but has not been successful. We saw it last
year with Diego Pavia getting an extra year of eligibility. Well,
recently we saw NCAA finally got a win. I got
an old notch on the belt. Joey Aguilar with Tennessee
he was seeking the same type of extension as Diego Pavia. Now,
which differs a little bit from from Trinidad Chandels's case,
because it wasn't you know, it wasn't a JUCO situation. Well,
Joey Aguilars was, and it was very similar to that
of Diego Pavia. But the court's rule that he does
not they did not grant him an extra year of eligibility,
and the same thing is happening right now with or
a similar type situations happening with Virginia quarterback Chandler Morris,
who was seeking a seventh year, seventh year as quarterback,
and he's twenty five years old. At some point, these
guys just, I know the money is there in college
football now. I know there's life changing money to be
made as well. And I think that there's a lot
of people, especially with the Joey Aguilar case at Tennessee,
saying this is good, this is n c A A
good for you, you got one, But it also doesn't
make sense because the precedent has already been set. Why
is it. Why is the playing field and the rules
different from one person that is another Now, I don't know,
and I don't know if anybody really knows. Like the minute,
the minutia of all the details of the case of
you know what, Diego Pavia was arguing about his JUCO
experience compared to Joey Aguilar's, like, we don't know those
specific details, but when you look at it from an
overhead view, you look at it as a as a
as a whole, they look really similar. So why is
it different from one person to another? And I think
we all want the NCAA to have more power. We
all we all want the the bumpers a little bit
more guard rails on college football. College football is a mess.
It's still a beautiful game. It's a beautiful sport when
the lights go on and the balls kicked off, But
in between those moments, it's an absolute disaster right now.
So we want those guardrails. But why is it different
between one case to the next. And I don't have
that answer for you. It just adds on to most
people's opinion on that college football is absolutely drunk and
there's nobody knows what's going on. Nobody knows what the
exact rules are. What do y'all think? What do y'all think?
What's the difference do you do you know any specific
differences between Joey Aguilar's case and Diego Pavia. It's it's the.
Speaker 6: Same, which is why I always thought he was going
to get eligibility, Like I didn't think Trinidad Shambla's had
a leg to stand on. He played at Farri State
for three years, that's under the NCAAA umbrella. Plays at
Old miss that's four years. Boom, move on. Like they
ruled last year, junior college is not under the NCAA umbrella,
you can get an extra year. Diego Pavia did so
all of a sudden. Joey Aguilar, who played two years
at Apple Atta in State, played one year at Tennessee.
That's three years under the NCAA umbrella. Before that, he
played at Diablo Valley Community College, which is in Juco,
but his Juco counts in Diego. Pobvius doesn't. Why now,
I'll give the Joey Aguilar, Diablo Valley, Diablo Valley.
Speaker 2: The Devil's Valley.
Speaker 6: It is, it is, and maybe maybe that's what the
issue was. But I'll give him credit. He actually signed
up for the combine. What he was planning on doing
was participated in the combine for a forty eight hour window.
That way, if he would have became eligible, he still
could have went back. He'll probably participated in full five days.
Speaker 2: Now say that again, he could you could go to
the combine for forty eight hours, eight.
Speaker 6: Hour window while waiting for his appeal. Because anything beyond that,
if he would have stayed in the NFL combine, beyond that,
he would have been ineligible.
Speaker 2: He would have been like declared a professional. Correct forty
you can go forty eight hours at the Combine without
being a professional.
Speaker 6: Apparently so, but now he's probably going to participate that
so credit to him for not being scared to go
to the NFL. He actually signed up for the combine.
But I mean, you let Diego Pavia get an extra
year of eligibility and basically the exact same circumstances, you
let Trinidad Shambliss hang around just because what you feel
bad for Ole Miss because they lost Lane Kiffin and
they needed a win. Like, I don't really understand how
you give both of those guys elgibent. I'm good with
the NCAA getting a win. I think the NCAA should
get a lot more wins, But the fact that you
give it to two guys and not the other one,
it's just kind of confuse it.
Speaker 5: Like I was gonna say, I don't know what the
difference I'm trying to like read up on it with
Pavia and Aguilar is. The difference of Trinidad Chambliss is
that he found a judge that was an All Miss fan.
That's what the difference of Trinidad. Chambliss was and he
wasn't a Juco guy.
Speaker 4: No, right, he wasn't, which like makes it worse.
Speaker 2: To stand.
Speaker 4: But as for Pavia and Aguilar, I'm not really.
Speaker 5: They do have like the basically the same argument, so
I guess they were. Really he just depends on that.
That's who you get as a judge.
Speaker 2: See, that's what I would, Yeah, because like if something happens,
like in a federal quarter or state court, and there's
a ruling based on something, there's precedent set and that's
how it goes until if something crazy happens and a
case is proven that resets that. President and la. Look,
you're an attorney out there. What I might come off
as an idiot here, but they were. I'm assuming that
they were both courts in the state of Tennessee. Now
maybe Pavia's court case was somewhere else, but I'm pretty
sure is Tennessee right now.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure there was because he filed his first
year after he played a vantitae. Because here's a Vandy
two years remember, So like, yeah, everyone said, oh, well,
this could be a state by state basis. This doesn't
necessary you have to be a national thing. In the
same damn state.
Speaker 2: Well that and that, well that at that point is
it a county by county?
Speaker 5: Basically I'm thinking too because like the obviously Joey Aguilars
in Knoxville and then Nashville for Diego Pavia.
Speaker 4: So I'm I mean, I don't know, it must be it's.
Speaker 2: Stupid, right, Like I don't like the I don't want
to use that word. I tell my kids not to
use that word. But like it's really dumb.
Speaker 6: It's stupid.
Speaker 2: There is just makes me more mad about college football
right now.
Speaker 6: Even when you think there's precedence and rules, they're still
just going to change it anytime they feel like, oh,
it's kind of fun for us to do that.
Speaker 2: Let's know that. Yeah, that judge was a not a
volunteer fan.
Speaker 6: Well, and credit to Tennessee, like they got Georgia mcintter
who's been developing there. They brought in Ryan Stabb, who
did visit LSU. I guess you just went to Tennessee
because he thought there was a better chance of him
to be a starter. So they had a little bit
of contingency plans preparing for this. It's so did agular,
but it's just find me the rhym of reason, bond
the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yep. About Chandler Morris.
Speaker 4: Seventh year or just put the fries in the bag.
Speaker 6: And you know, Matt, I hate to pick on your
former position, but like, can these quarterbacks move the hell
the one? It's all a quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's all about the quarterback.
Speaker 6: I mean, but like, move on.
Speaker 2: Life's about quarterbacks. Bud twenty five, seventh year. I'm assuming
there's a COVID year there still.
Speaker 6: And then twenty twenty two he apparently filed for a
medical and didn't get it back when he was a TCU.
I talked about a little bit last week. There's a
guy who plays a linebacker from Montana. He got a
ninth year of eligibility because he had like four season
or four or five season Indian injury. So this is
his ninth year. He'll be tenured at the University of Montana.
Before he leaves, he's teaching classes there.
Speaker 2: Huh. The only one that I can potentially give an
excuse to is Trinidad Chambliss, because I think I brought
this up before a couple of weeks ago. I know
that the emotional reaction, the knee jerk reaction of ole
Miss fans and boosters, certainly the people that are given money,
that are guaranteeing all this money. The emotion reaction to
Lane Kiffin leaving would be like whatever it takes, like
you have my full support, you have my full checkbook.
I'll do whatever I can to keep it. And then,
especially when they're talking about your star quarterback leaving to
join Lane, they're like, whatever it takes, whatever amount of
money it is, there's not enough commas that are gonna
let him go to LSU. Like I could see that
plan out and them saying, look, Trinidad, we are going
if you don't go to LSU, we're gonna give you
ten million plus. I could see that happening. Like it
sounds like a far fetched number, but I can see
in the emotional windfall after Lane Kiffin leaves and the
rumor the rumors were everywhere Trinidad's going to LSU, he's
gonna be talking to if he gets his extra year,
blah blah blah. I can see them saying Nope, We're
gonna do whatever it takes. And the rumors of Miami
trying to offer Tye Simpson seven million to stay in
college and go to Miami, and he turned it down.
But like that number is starting to tick up, at
least from the rumors. I don't think any of that
was ever confirmed, but I could certainly see a situation
where a ten million plus number, and so at that
point I can say, Okay, yeah, Trinidad, go fight your
court battles, go six, get the night six times, to
keep trying, because that's a big number. Especially the kid
that age confidence certainly thinks he can improve or at
least perform at the same level that he did towards
the end of the season and slid ify himself as
a first round pick next year. So that is an
understandable city. I think we can all agree that I'm
fighting so especially not paying for these court battles. I'll
fight them if I'm gonna get ten million plus. Of
course that's not a it hadn't been reported. I'm just
saying I could see a world in which that number
was floated around. In the emotional backlash from Lane Kiff,
I mean, just.
Speaker 6: Go to the league. Though, like you were like, oh,
he could be a first round pick next year. He
could have been a first round pick this year. It
could as if they suck. They have a brand new
coaching staff. We don't know, but it might be guaranteed
ten million plus. That's i'd like to see. I'd love
to be a fly on the wall in those conversations.
I'm gonna go to break here.
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Speaker 6: I knew you could do it.
Speaker 2: I know we did it. Guess we did?
Speaker 6: Didould give her a little thing? It's like coach check
yes or no?
Speaker 2: Check yes or no?
Speaker 7: Or maybe she did not click the maybe she said yes.
It's official official, It's official official. Hey, who's the Who's
the best player been so far? I know it's tough
after last night? Who's the Who's your way? Too early?
After how many games? Eight games baseball LSU baseball? Seven games?
Speaker 6: I mean he's the best player so far, my best
I mean Dardur has succeeded everybody's expectations.
Speaker 2: Orys had a lot of homers.
Speaker 6: Jack Brown been great well.
Speaker 5: Not only that about York being good at the plate,
like he has been solid.
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Speaker 2: Fo Dingers.
Speaker 6: All the Cooper more just because starting pitchon has been
really good.
Speaker 4: That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna close that out number two when
we come back. Coach Kim Molk, you joined the show
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