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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the It

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Welcome to Darry season one review series. But this is

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the season one finale review. I am Tricky Dicky tres Now,

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and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I'm the batmode Dylan Muss Batmode.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one. Yes, it is Jiman just us.

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Speaker 1: Taylor was excited to be here, but he had family

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coming town, so I did arrange some plans. But I imagine

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because he was, he was like, I don't know if

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I want miss this time.

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Speaker 3: It's the finale, you'll be you know, whatever, go with

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the family.

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Speaker 1: But I imagine Dylan, you'll probably have to hear some

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of his thoughts on the the what you've been watching

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a weekly geek? But if so, if you want any

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Taylor thoughts there, you can get them there because he

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missed the last two, so here his opinions there. But

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me and Dylan are here to close this out. The

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prequel series two, The hit Ones. We can go back

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in the feeds. We reviewed the movies, we reviewed every episode.

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Everything's there, Dyl Muss, how did you feel this was

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the close out?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 1: A long episode our nine so I can't say one

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thing at least like I think we're so used, Like

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obviously Disney Plus did that.

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Speaker 3: I had a big issue earlier this season.

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Speaker 1: Done you were on the reviews, but peace Maker had

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a lot of episodes where it's like thirty three minutes.

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It's like, like, so I'll give this show that credit

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that I feel like he was always hidden at least

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like a forty five minute plus.

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Speaker 3: Thing, and at least for an hour nine. I don't

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know if it hit everything, but at least it feels like, Okay,

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there wasn't.

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Speaker 1: A uh, there wasn't prey like in exactly a rush

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like hour nine. There's lots of breathing time, which is

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good because I feel like a lot of shows nowadays

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are just moving really fast and not for the benefit

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of it. But Dylan, also, you've had a rocky road

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with this one. How were you at the stop here?

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some damage done to the rims, the glass, the mirrors, anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there there's definitely some damage done to all of

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those car parts that you just mentioned. Yeah, I so,

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who are tuning into this episode who maybe didn't listen

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to everything along the way. A lot of people want

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maybe jumping on for the finale of things, which sense.

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And yeah, so for me, this show started out pretty well.

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but it was at least kind of mediocre. But then

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is when it's really it really just nosedived to some extent.

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kind of get worse and worse, and for me, at

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the end of the day, here last episode not a

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good ending for me. I was pretty disappointed with this

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season finale. Well maybe that's not the right word because

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the last couple of weeks when I'm like, I don't

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think I'm going to enjoy the ending of this now,

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it paid attention. I was trying to be open minded

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with the big crazy things that were happening, and even

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though I didn't love what it implied, but I was like, Okay,

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feel about it. And Yeah, ultimately I really did not

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jive with this finale. There's a lot of choices here

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in terms of Penny stuff that really bothers me. I

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non spoilersy way. I think a big thing for me

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is I think the acting has been not phenomenal through

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was not great. There's some really really cheesy dialogue in

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here that it quite bothered me. I guess it's a

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give to this is that it's very different. It's not

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one like character connection thing I just found so cheesy.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I was quite disappointed. There's really not a.

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Speaker 4: Whole lot that I enjoy in this But you know what,

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loved the show a whole lot. I didn't really like

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it that much when it's all said and done, unfortunately,

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but I agree that there's probably some sketchy cgi stuff.

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the scary penny Wise good moments, the finale does it again.

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Speaker 3: Here. I think there's some really fun scares. I think

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things as penny Wise, and he's just great. We said

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this from the beginning. He just has such a handle

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on the character. Not that I expected him to lose it,

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but still it's been twenty sixteen seventeen since or I

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guess more like twenty eighteen since he's played this character

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and hasn't missed a beat, and he's bringing more stuff

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where to the point where it's like I didn't love

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everything the show, But I guess why I'm always still

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it's still always like just a fun thing. Like there's

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very dark, but Bill's just.

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start of something new. I think it doesn't work great

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like there's things that happen in other teams that just

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don't drive together. And I know, everyone join our discord

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and check out the chapter or the it spoilers chat,

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whether it's a day after the next day. April always

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drops like a big Bible worth of all facts that

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she's a big Stephen King fit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a big Stephen King fan, all this stuff.

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where and I think other people have had this sentiment.

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kids like penny Wise is I don't know, just so

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much lower tier in the movies that follow, and I

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know it's like, oh, well, the turtle's helping. But the

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problem is in this show they allude to that, like

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the books or constants may go, oh, well, this isn't

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happen because of this, but they don't show or explain

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or write that. So I just have to go okay

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based on what happens in the future and what's happening here.

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was like a goddamn genius, but I didn't ever take

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him for that. I took him as arrogant and very

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cocky with these kids. But I thought this show would

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kind of be the setup towards that. So yeah, I'm

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trying to tiptoe around it because they did some they

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cheesy just I don't know, I got a giggle. I

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pieces by themselves I think are great. Maybe that's the

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limitations towards a TV show right budget or even just

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time constraints. But then maybe find another way around that.

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lot of people have some stories now. But I digress.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess maybe I'll just ask you this. Maybe

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someone's tuned in. Is this show worth watching? What do

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Speaker 1: I think if you're a fan of the movies, it's

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Speaker 3: Like or not Rachel. I don't know why I called

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about right, So that's my thing. I can't get engauged

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Speaker 1: To get through when it was a ten week sequence,

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which yeah, they did a full ten weeks, so it

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doesn't feel like that, but it has been.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, fair enough, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, and the yeah Kyle Golf is from Discord

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and Patron said, yeah, the CGI was rough. Yeah, and

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that's the tough thing with TV shows, right, Like some

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of them do have some great ones, but they are

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somewhat limited. So yeah, we will talk about that. We're

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taking for a sad break and then we were back

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and get full into it and we're back, Dylan us Rachel.

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Where do you want to start with? Where do you

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want to start with this episode?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Let's see, let's start uh with well, let's just start

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in the classic Kirkland fashionables, start at the beginning. So yeah,

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I'm curious where exactly the line is for you of

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like just the scale of this being so much bigger

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than we've seen before. And like, I'm so used to

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Pennywise working in the shadows and like sometimes so go

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in public areas, but he's always just like hiding behind

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a sheet and then like disappears or something. Right, he's

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never being too public. Yeah, so when he was when

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he starts flooding the town with like fog and stuff.

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are you still like, Okay, I'm still with it at

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this point in time, but it more like broke later on.

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Speaker 1: I see I was with it in the sense of

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if it's just something's going on that's the effects of

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Penny Wise that's going through the town, because it could

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just be oh, well, that's just regular smoke or fog,

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and maybe it's infecting some people, but it's just that

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for me, it broke when he popped up to the school.

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This is where I'm of two minds. So I love

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the school sequence. I love the puppeteering, the head, the

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kids getting scared. I like it as a scene by itself,

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But the second he's floating dozens of kids, I was like,

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especially because he was just about to like Hibernate last week.

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He was in the thick of well, I'm done with this,

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so I get what they're trying to do, like, oh, look,

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he could be a big global threat.

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Speaker 3: But that's where it lost.

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Speaker 1: For me is when he was physically taking all these

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people because I don't know, are they all moving, because

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then I would assume they would all know about that,

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and that just does not portray in what we got

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with it, at least the movie. And well there's more

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things with some reveals, but that was where it tipped

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off for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think it really added much to

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the stakes of it all because the only person that

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we know and care about in there is Will and.

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Speaker 1: Even the kids are like there is and they try

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to get no, they're not paying attention to anybody else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, was he even in the auditoriums? I feel like I

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don't remember like a camera actually looking at him.

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Speaker 3: Like, no, he got called last week though, remember right right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like even in that whole sequence, I

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don't know. I just feel like, I guess I don't

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want these kids to die. But like the only ones

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that we know in here are the three like popular

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girls who have just shown to be like assholes.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, Okay, those are the people I'm supposed

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to be concerned about here.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, to me, it was just it was far

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too big and showy and public, and you know, I

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was again, I'm trying to take the show up for

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like what it's doing. Okay, this is what they're telling me,

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what the story they're going for. But I think I

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just prefer when penny Wise is kind of being more

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low key, and it just, you know, it's hard to

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with this being a prequel because this feels like the

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biggest thing I've seen him do, right, and so it

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just feels like now he feels like deep powered later on,

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which I don't totally. So yeah, I think for those

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reasons it kind of throws me off, and so I

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kind of forgot. But yeah, it was a good breakdown

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from April last week, not Rachel April of the turtle situation. Uh,

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this like world turtle god thing that can like help

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the kids and whatnot, which is something I never knew about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's say the good like the quotations good version

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of what Penny wise.

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Speaker 4: If anyone is listening doesn't know what we're talking about,

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just join the discord and right April's right up because

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we you know, can't do it justice. But yeah, do

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you think that was a hint because they're the three

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girls were like, I forget what they was talking about exactly,

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but there was someone dressed up in like that turtle costume,

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Like is that related, Like what's going on?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I think they just put East Strikes the same way

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as like a couple episodes ago when they did find

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that shard it was like in a turtle shell. I

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think I think it is a way where it is

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it's East Strikes, but it's maybe relating like this turtle

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godlike thing is all around. But again, unless I get

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into that and won these show like one of these seasons,

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I just can't buy into that. And also it's just

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like it's tough for me because the Stephen.

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Speaker 3: King lare is bigger.

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Speaker 1: I'll just be honest, I've never loved the idea of

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Penny Wise is like this space god entity thing. I

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know it's from the books, I know that is the origin.

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It's just one of those things where's just like, I'm

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fine if he's just a class like I'm fine if

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he's like a transforming thing. But I'm fine if he's

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just a thing that takes things to eat and that's

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about it. I don't need this whole lore, and Stephen

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King has a whole world, so I get so the

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turtle thing at most, I'm always like, eh, but that's

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where it's for me.

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Speaker 3: If okay, if we're gonna do it, then you may

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as well just do it.

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Speaker 1: Especially I do think for season two or three they

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probably should explain it even more because I feel like

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they are trying to get whacky, especially with this whole

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not time travel but that sort of I live in

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type of any other era. I feel like, okay, if

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you're going in a sense where now penny wise, can

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he knows how he dies? Just bring in this turtle now,

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you know, like you're starting to get whacky, and maybe

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that's what they're trying to get people ready for. It's like, hey,

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the movies are a bit more basic, but this show

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was gonna get into some more like god crazy stuff.

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But that's where to me, it's like either do it

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or don't hit that. But yeah, I think the turtle

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was just a hint. But who knows me that turtle's

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the turtle?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I forgot about the shell thing in

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the other episodes. Yeah, maybe there's just more of those things,

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And now that I'm thinking about turtles and it, I'll

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probably start noticing it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they even do it in like chapter one and two.

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Maybe there's like little hints of I.

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Speaker 3: Think there's like a one time they walk there's like

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a turtle shell in the sewer or something like that.

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Like there are hints to it, but not avert obviously.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So yeah, from there, then we jumped to Haller

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and Hellarin's back in his room and he's having trippy visions.

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I think this not all the CGI works here, But

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actually I did like this scene. I like the creepiness

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of it. I like that each one of them was

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like doing something kind of different. You have the one

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guy like creeping around on the ground. You have the

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one guy that's like halfway through the wall, which is

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like a really really creepy imagery, and I actually like

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was bought into the suspense a little bit of the

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It's Handling right, that was trying to get in there.

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The other guy comes like save them.

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Speaker 1: Yes Handling, Yeah, hollerinz the dick one, and then yah,

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Handlin's the Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I actually thought that had some good suspense of like,

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man is Hallard is just gonna shoot this guy as

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they thinks he's like a zombie coming at him, you know,

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like who knows what could happen here? So I thought

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that that scene was pretty good. Uh And because I

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feel like, to me, I think callerin this I should

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find the actor's name unless you know off the top

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of your head. But for me, he kind of has

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been like the highlight of this series, and I think Yea,

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to me has the best delivery. I buy into what

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he's doing the most, even though he's like the most

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otherworldly character because he actually has like these other powers.

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There's an exception here, which is his I think it's

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his last line or one of his last lines, which

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we'll talk about later on. But yeah, I really liked

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that sequence when he's just in his room, he's debating

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shooting himself in the head and committing suicide, was having

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these crazy visions, and then you know, when he finds

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out that his friend's son is missing, he's like, okay,

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I'll help out. But he still is like kind of

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grouchy after that too. He's still not loving their plan.

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But I thought that was like a really well done

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scene with him.

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Speaker 3: Chris Chalk is his name, but yeah, it was a

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Chris Chock.

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Speaker 2: I think he's done such a great job this series.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing too, Like I'm I feel like

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it has to I don't get was. I feel like

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the fact that it ended when it said it welcomed

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Dary chapter one.

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Speaker 3: I know they don't know for sure, but.

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Speaker 1: Because last week was the most watched episode HBO report

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in this it's like, I feel like they haven't officially

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said season two is happening. I feel like it has.

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To my point was, I feel like the show is

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at least doing well. I think it's in the top

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three of HBO shows as far as I think it's

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like Game of Thrones, Last of Us in this which

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I think is pretty good. Don't know why you wouldn't

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do a season two unless this is like maybe way

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more expensively. But my point is that I think a

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lot of people are watching and that kind of spreads

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and I just feel like you're gonna see Chris Chawk

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way more in the next five years because I had

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only seen this actor once. I think I've said this before,

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but he played Lucius Fox in the Gotham Show on Fox,

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where he was like that and he was good in that,

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but it's just like a very minor role.

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Speaker 3: But I just feel like this is one of those performances.

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Speaker 1: Where a lot of agentscy and like, you know what,

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that guy is really good for X, Y and Z.

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And I feel like the good thing with this role

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is he has been charismatic. He has done like kind

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of the action thing, he's kind of done the spooky thing.

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It's one of those things where it's like, oh, he's

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not just good at being the funny guy. He's not

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just good at being the action guy. He showed multiple

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facets where if it's a comedy, I could believe that.

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If it's a horror movie, I could believe that. If

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it's you know, he's on in the next Terminator, Find

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a Terminator, I can believe that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree that.

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Speaker 1: I think taking from the series, other than some of

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the stuff Bill has done, he was the standout and

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I do hope to see him in more stuff down

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the line.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely, yeah, yeahhh what did we get.

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Speaker 4: To Oh yeah, no, I guess, well, I don't unless

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you had anything else on that specific scene, because then

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I would just jump to kind of their plan with

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like the not the kids, but like the adults plan.

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Speaker 2: I guess no, yeah, no.

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was a really good scene, a

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good read. I think I also gave the Dick character

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something just endearing the fact that he was going to

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take his own life, but he still would delay that

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to help this guy get his son, but then take

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his life after. Even the guy Handlin's like i'll shoot

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you myself, I'll help you out and stuff. So I

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like that just showed that even if he's planning on

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leaving this earth, which luckily he didn't, he's still like, Okay,

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I'm gonna help out this person that you know doesn't

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deserve what's happening to him. And obviously, like we'll talk

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about throughout, but I just also think he had a

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00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,839
lot of good scenes and I was very happy about

476
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,799
one in the middle, so mm hmm.

477
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

478
00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,559
Speaker 4: And then and then the sequence with the adults when

479
00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:14,519
they're kind of devising a plan, they're kind of all together,

480
00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:17,640
they're pooling their resources to help save the day. I

481
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,640
love the moment when like they're all describing this plan.

482
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,240
They're talking about this dag or they're talking about an

483
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,880
old pine tree, and I'm like, oh my god, this

484
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,599
is so goofy all this and then and then you

485
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,880
cut to hallerin He's like, you're all a bunch of

486
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,319
goddamn fools and you're just smoking a cigarette. He like

487
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,920
turns around the way. I was just like so not

488
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,599
driving with like all of the plan and all the

489
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,480
lore that they're dropping there, and then he comes in

490
00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:41,960
there with just like this sassy remark.

491
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 2: I thought was was really great.

492
00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 4: So I I, yeah, I didn't love this idea of

493
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,240
this old oak tree that's been here longer than you know,

494
00:19:50,599 --> 00:19:52,039
this entire clan's been here.

495
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:52,400
Speaker 3: Whatever.

496
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,759
Speaker 2: It just I don't know.

497
00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 3: It feel verys not my favorite.

498
00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: I almost wish it was just some way where they

499
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,640
even casually or somehow brought it up in the show.

500
00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:02,960
I'm sure maybe at some point April someone will tell

501
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,319
us that all in the books it is this thing.

502
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,000
But it's like in the show. I wish they would

503
00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:07,680
have talked about it, Oh, there's all these points and

504
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,279
maybe show it. Just it felt very random, also because

505
00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:12,960
I just felt like I thought you'd have to put

506
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,640
that chart back almost exactly where it was right, So.

507
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 3: It was almost weird that they're going here in its.

508
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,039
Speaker 1: New location, Like to me, that feels like a little easy.

509
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,359
But the other thing I did, I know they This

510
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,680
is not a critique of the writing, because they set

511
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,480
this up, so I'm not saying it's bad. It's just

512
00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:32,680
I didn't personally enjoy the The ring definitely hollows Locket

513
00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:35,000
sort of vibe here with it when they're doing the

514
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,039
whole it's turning characters against each other. I know there

515
00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,559
are things that are kind of like from penny Wise

516
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,119
or the entity or whatever it is, but I just

517
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,920
don't think that finale needed that here. I don't think

518
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,039
it did anything. I don't think it added to it

519
00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:50,920
because I just don't think like it other than than

520
00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:54,079
Lower the Rings. Anytime movies do these, it's like, I

521
00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:56,240
don't believe Ron's gonna kill Harry here.

522
00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:57,079
Speaker 3: It's that that.

523
00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: Part in Horror or Harry Potter part one has my

524
00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,200
least favorite part there, and that's where what I like

525
00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:03,799
in Lord of the Rings not to get to full

526
00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:05,839
in that, but like what happens with Bormir, it leads

527
00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:07,839
to some big story stuff and it goes, oh, that's

528
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,279
why I cause Frodo left.

529
00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 3: And it shows and Bormir died.

530
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: I feel like most of the time they do something's

531
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,440
taken over somebody with main characters. Nothing comes of it,

532
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,920
and nothing did here other than just like the power

533
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,039
of friendship, which I felt like we have the power friendship.

534
00:21:20,039 --> 00:21:21,920
I feel like we are now united.

535
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 4: I do give them the classics event. They were one

536
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:25,359
hundred percent united for yeah, and.

537
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,799
Speaker 1: I do give them credit where I kind of liked

538
00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:29,200
that they united near the end of the journey. We

539
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,480
talked about that they weren't just another loser's club, right.

540
00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:33,319
They did come together and they were a bunch of kids,

541
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,640
but it was a slower They weren't best friends. Many

542
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,039
times they were divided against each other. So I liked

543
00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:40,480
how it eventually laid out.

544
00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 3: I just don't think we needed this where Okay, they

545
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,960
already say the town kind of gets poisoned and whatnot,

546
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,960
so it's just another add on to that. So I

547
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,160
didn't I didn't enjoy any of the mind controls or

548
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,880
stuff or just the mood turning.

549
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I don't want to keep ragging on

550
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,319
these kids, but for me, the acting of those sequences

551
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,359
was not great, Like especially when the three of them

552
00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:04,039
are like in the woods and they're like tackling each other.

553
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,119
I just I really just get taken out of these moments.

554
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,599
And yeah, because I thought Lily was like kind of

555
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,119
the peak kid actor of this in the first half,

556
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,519
and I think it's just less hurtful and more just

557
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,640
like the writing for me, like really dropping off a

558
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,319
cliff in these last few episodes, but in particular here, Yeah,

559
00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:25,599
I did not like this subplot of like this.

560
00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: Dagger turning her turning her evil.

561
00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:28,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, not work for me.

562
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,559
Speaker 1: And then to that we get to the Ice, which

563
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,279
again we talked about good and there's good stuff going

564
00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:35,759
on here. I love, like I said, I love the

565
00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:37,720
scene with Bill Scars gritting and the puppet.

566
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: I love when he's in whatever, this.

567
00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: Weird carnaval band wagon thing, like they're just giving him

568
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,720
some fun things to do here and he's just like

569
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,039
he's doing his facials. He's saying weird stuff, like all

570
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:50,359
the stuff you'd want. But the finale at least takes

571
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,519
place on you know, by this tree, but on the ice,

572
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,000
which is like, okay, we're on the well, different scenario.

573
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,319
Speaker 3: I didn't love that it was.

574
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: I get why because multiple times penny Wise as hiding

575
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,519
or they use the high from the soldiers, but this

576
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,640
like cgi smoke, dust, snow whatever, it was just it

577
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,799
was too much. Just felt like there was a filter

578
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,759
and they just turned it to one hundred and it just.

579
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: They don't get wrong.

580
00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,559
Speaker 1: I like there's images of when they're looking around and

581
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:16,680
they just see the eyes of penny Wise and the snow.

582
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,799
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, that's cool. I just think they.

583
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: Maybe overdid it a bit, and at times it didn't

584
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,400
look the greatest. But I like the concept of a

585
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,440
finale on the ice. It's snowing, it's storming. I like

586
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:31,440
that idea. It just again didn't look the greatest, like

587
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:33,480
last week with the fire unfortunately.

588
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it all just feels too like

589
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,519
volume or like green screeny, yeah, which takes you out

590
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,000
of it. And yeah, I think so I was this

591
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,319
The ice section is like thirty minutes long, so there's long.

592
00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, little things to break down here.

593
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:47,559
Speaker 3: No one fell through the ice either too.

594
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,599
Speaker 2: Very's pretty crazy. And they were like driving vehicles on

595
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,079
it and stuff.

596
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: There's two there was a carnival thing and there was

597
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:56,519
a car. There was multiple vehicles and dozens of people

598
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:57,160
on this ice and.

599
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,039
Speaker 4: At one point one hundred kids fall out of the

600
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:01,200
air and all smash and a similar spot on the

601
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,400
ice and nothing, nothing breaks there. But I guess it

602
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,839
wasn't real ice. It was fake penny wise or you know,

603
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,960
it was magical ice, Okay, well like it came from

604
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,079
a magical cloud, right, So it's like, I don't know,

605
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,119
was it realized or was it fake?

606
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: Is fair enough for that? You know? This I hate?

607
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,279
Before you go, why can't this is what I hate?

608
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,039
And we'll get into it more with the future stuff.

609
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,279
Speaker 1: If he's creating a cloud with ice, why can't he

610
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,440
just snap his fingers and all these people are frozen

611
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,720
on the ground. Like the people that are trying to

612
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,920
attack him, why aren't they frozen? That's my one thing

613
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,599
with penny Wise in both these movies, not so much movies,

614
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,599
but it still happens a bit, and especially with this show,

615
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,039
his power level is all over, especially when we get

616
00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:40,720
to like here revels there's one character, be really good.

617
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: If he kills why are you talking to her? Why

618
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,400
are you doing them all? Loge what I mean?

619
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: Even the fact that he mind controlled one hundred kids

620
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,160
at the same time was like whoa, yeah, whoa, that's

621
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,359
a crazy level up that I didn't know he was

622
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,319
capable of that, Like doing that we only have ever

623
00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:58,319
seen it be like a really intimate thing in the past,

624
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,279
So it was kind of crazy.

625
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: This is stuff that for me would feel better if

626
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,400
it was They're like, you know what, there's not a book,

627
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,119
but we're gonna do a third it, right, somehow penny

628
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,119
Wise comes back. He's more juiced up.

629
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,079
Speaker 1: Then you can kind of believe, Okay, whatever jargon mcguffin

630
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,759
you want to give, he's more powerful. But that's where

631
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:15,799
it's always like, so this is the guy, and I

632
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:16,960
know again April's gonna.

633
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,559
Speaker 3: Top of the Turtle, but there's no turtle in those movies.

634
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,519
Speaker 1: So just like, this is the guy that just loses

635
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,519
to like five kids that kind of are renegades, you know,

636
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,279
like that's it like and in this one they're like

637
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,279
shooting with a gun everything like that.

638
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know.

639
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what did you Because I don't think we

640
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:36,400
knew about this point of connection that Marge is Richie's dad.

641
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,759
I was about to say dad, Marge is Richie's mom,

642
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,359
because do we ever see Ritchie's parents?

643
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: No, we see Bills, we see obviously BEVs, and then

644
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,000
we see God.

645
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: The kid that's like really neurotic with like the illnesses

646
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:52,559
and stuff.

647
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, why can I not remember his name at all?

648
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,279
But that's annoying.

649
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we never see his parents. But why would they

650
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,559
not move? I don't know, because I like they say,

651
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,119
when you when you leave dairy, that's when you forget.

652
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,039
We saw in it chapter two Mike Hamerlon as adult

653
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,279
stays there, he remembers it all. So this lady Marge,

654
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,079
and I guess the idea is maybe they'll fight Pennywise.

655
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,119
But it's just like, wow, what a big setup for

656
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,279
your kid, you know, I.

657
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they think that they won, right.

658
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:26,799
Speaker 1: No, they don't though, because at the end they are like, oh,

659
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,519
every twenty that. Even the woman that's selling her farm,

660
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:32,440
she's like, oh, in twenty seven years, it'll be back.

661
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: Like, but does Marge know that specifically?

662
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like if the parents know that and

663
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,920
now that they went through this adventure together, everyone would

664
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,799
know this, right. It's not like the old movie.

665
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,759
Speaker 4: There's so much of that in Dary though, so much

666
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:45,839
of like do you guys not pool information?

667
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but at least with it chapter one, it's

668
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,079
like the kids do it by themselves, so you could see,

669
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,480
k No, one's gonna believe us.

670
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: But you have four adults there that have been through this.

671
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,720
They five. Actually they will believe you. They will. There's

672
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,440
a whole little thing. I know, I'm jumping forward.

673
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: But one of my favorite things is when I think

674
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,039
her name was Rose, right, the girl that lost Handiel

675
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,240
on this episode, I think I'll have to bring it up.

676
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: We always forget her name, okay, but when she's like.

677
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: The Handlins they're moving right, they're leaving Darry and she's like,

678
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,640
you know, it'd be really great if you could hear,

679
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,279
okay it his rose rose like, it'd be really great

680
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:22,079
if you could join our thing. In twenty seven years

681
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,759
is gonna be backing, you never know, And I've thought, okay,

682
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,240
this kind of makes sense, you know, recruit some more people.

683
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:27,799
Always good to get some more people of the cause.

684
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,000
Because she's like, you know, I'm selling the farm and

685
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,160
with Taniel gone, I just there's nothing really here for

686
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,920
me there. And I just thought, wow, you're trying to

687
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,119
pass this off. But like it's different if you're staying

688
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,400
there as well. But like, yeah, I'm moving, could you

689
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,839
take the farm and look after this penny Wise thing?

690
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,519
It's like, Wow, what a bunch of bullshit that is.

691
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,359
So that's we're just like for me, I don't know

692
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,599
why Marge would stay there. I'm gonna assume she has

693
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,839
all the the memories or even like in the movie

694
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,400
when uh in twenty seven years, when Bill's brother Georgie

695
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,480
goes missing, when she go, oh shit, it's happening again.

696
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,559
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's too many issues with it, you.

697
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, but I mean maybe she just gets her

698
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,200
mind poison over time, you know, like more and more.

699
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,519
Like I don't know if the poisoning gets like stronger

700
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:13,559
closer to the cycles, like if it builds up over

701
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,480
those twenty seven years, like people.

702
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: Get more and more shitty.

703
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if right now, every like obviously

704
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:21,440
at the end of this, you know, it's like bright

705
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,240
and sunny, everyone's happy, everyone's doing good. No one seems

706
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,640
to be corrupted or anything. But like, I, yeah, I

707
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,720
wonder if that is supposed to ramp up over time

708
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,119
or if it's supposed to be like a consistent people

709
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,119
and Dairy are awful and like this is this is

710
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:39,039
what it is. But yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd imagine like

711
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:41,400
a lot of people that go through this level of

712
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,920
trauma these characters do would like forever be able to

713
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,319
combat that poison to some extent, but like I don't

714
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:51,240
know how that how that magic works. But uh, one

715
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,759
two things that I thought were really really good people

716
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:57,240
at that early Ice sequence. One is, so the three

717
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,039
girls are there, they go find Willy comes out. They

718
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:03,680
have the dagger, so he can't like grab them, and

719
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,839
so he's like glitching around, he's teleporting, he's fashoveling, he's

720
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,839
dashing by. Eventually he grabs Marge's leg, pulls her away.

721
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,960
We get this probably two or three minute long sequence

722
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,680
of Pennywise slowly following her, and then eventually he gets

723
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,480
like stopped, and then she runs away and we go back.

724
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:22,920
She runs back to her crew, and the two girls

725
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,599
have just been standing by the fucking cart for minutes

726
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:29,680
with the dagger not moved an inch. They didn't think

727
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,559
to go try and find her. They didn't go in

728
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,559
the direction that she was pulled in. They're just standing

729
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,759
there looking around, not even saying anything. So that was

730
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,880
really stupid. And the other thing is when the when

731
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,839
the adult crew shows up and they're like they try

732
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,960
to do this dramatic thing with the car is like, oh,

733
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,039
it's gonna it's about to hit them, but then like, oh,

734
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:48,400
they slammed the brake and they stop.

735
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:53,319
Speaker 2: They're on fucking ice. Would they just got like totally smashed.

736
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: By like magic icegic ice? Though that's a break.

737
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,599
Speaker 2: Established magic ice. It can you can you can break

738
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,319
on magic ice?

739
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

740
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, So just a couple of cheesy things with the

741
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,480
pacing of everything I thought just didn't really pan out

742
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:07,720
for me.

743
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

744
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,319
Speaker 1: Well that's where I'm with you, where that's where I'm

745
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,920
so divided on the show. Just in general, because I

746
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:15,079
like the visuals and the scene of the kids back

747
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,079
to back and just penny Wise laughing, appearing through the

748
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,440
like the smoke, Like, Oh, that's all great, that's fun

749
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,039
jump scares. But for me, it's also in that first

750
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:25,839
episode with the dagger when we saw penny Wise and

751
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,920
it dropped. Are you telling me he could just like

752
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,000
maneuvered around it? Like I just almost think he should

753
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,680
not be able to do Yeah, I just did not

754
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,720
think he should be able to do circles around it.

755
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:37,400
I don't know, it just it feels like that's my

756
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,440
problem with penny Wise powers.

757
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,119
Speaker 3: How the victims are affected with this dagger.

758
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: It's like there's rules until we need something to happen,

759
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,519
and then well that doesn't really happen, right, It's just

760
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,559
like same thing. It's like you could be right about oh,

761
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,680
people are affected differently, but it's then give.

762
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,759
Speaker 3: Them why are they affected differently? Is it their age?

763
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:53,960
Is it this that? Like?

764
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Because like in like I said, in chapter two, Mike

765
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:58,640
remembers everything. He's a little crazy, but he remembers everything

766
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,799
that happened name of the kids. So but some people

767
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,599
might not. I don't know, but I did like the scene,

768
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,079
and that's where I'm torn two where I actually don't

769
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,279
I actually enjoy the concept of the Pennywise entity seeing past, present,

770
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,000
future and knowing like, hey, at some point, these kids

771
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,319
are gonna get me because I fel like we see

772
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:17,559
all the time time travel stuff where it's like, Okay,

773
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,000
let's say I die in two years. I'm trying my

774
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,039
whole life to figure out so I can't die, right,

775
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:24,519
and then you probably do something that makes yourself die.

776
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,720
Like I like that dichotomy, and I don't mind him knowing.

777
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,720
I kind of wish in that moment he like smelter

778
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,680
and then figure that out, like oh my god. But

779
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,640
it felt like he knew, like he knew that's gonna

780
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,759
be the mom So that takes me down right. So

781
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,559
to me, if he finds out in the moment, it's

782
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,680
like this fun revelation, it's like, oh, I'm gonna kill her,

783
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,400
and then you stop where he's if that's where Because

784
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,119
I was talking about this with Kyle Golface, he's putting

785
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:50,880
the discordy some about like the second season whatnot Just

786
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,240
for me if with this kid and what they set

787
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:57,880
up for season two, I get that Pennywise loves to eat.

788
00:31:58,039 --> 00:31:59,839
I know he likes to have all these leftovers and

789
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:02,119
the but if you know, hey, this is the person

790
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,160
that could be the responsible responsible for my death by

791
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,039
giving birth to somebody, you instantly like just lash. There's

792
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:12,480
no monologue, there's no nothing. So that's where for me

793
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:16,240
e Thei're making penny Wise almost two goofy too, kitty

794
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,680
villain of like in it. I love Goosebumps, And that's

795
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,720
the way a Goosebumps film would act, where it's very

796
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,279
all the kids can easily outsmart them, where Pennywise, I understood,

797
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,279
could be out smarter. But this feels so literally his

798
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,759
life is in peril if he doesn't kill this girl.

799
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,720
And why is he talking to her? Why is he

800
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,319
showing her a little thing? Why is he smelling her?

801
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,680
Like just you can tell that to anybody.

802
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: So it's just again the stakes are kind of all over.

803
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: Even though I like the idea of this thing and

804
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,000
see it the day dies and knows like maybe I

805
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,599
gotta find a way to figure that out.

806
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: And I like that he doesn't know.

807
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,039
Speaker 1: He's kind of lost in time because it's similar to

808
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,519
in Watch when there's a character of Doctor Manhattan where

809
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,559
he's living in you know, Sunday, December fourteenth, but he's

810
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,960
seeing his entire life all the time. And I like

811
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,079
that concept of this odd like character having time kind

812
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,200
of in a bottle, can see everything from start to

813
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,839
finish and death and Reworth and all this stuff. But

814
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,599
I just thought that the plot device then doesn't make

815
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,759
much sense for the character who can kill anybody very easily.

816
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: So jumping ahead, then, how do you feel about the

817
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,359
Marge is when they're back in the back in their

818
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,039
like tower, their hideout area, and she's talking about that concept.

819
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,279
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, I think he can.

820
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,559
Speaker 4: He can go back in time and like kill our parents,

821
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,039
And then Lily has like a cheese lung where she's like, well,

822
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,720
that's not our fight then, which is like silly, but like,

823
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,920
obviously to me, that felt like season two bait of like, Okay,

824
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,079
we got to get people interested. You know, obviously you're

825
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,519
gonna care about these parents now because you're connected to

826
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,200
these kids and you care about what happens to them,

827
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,960
But like, how do we And maybe you could make

828
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,480
that the same case for this series as a whole,

829
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,400
because a lot of it we knew, oh, obviously this

830
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,680
person lives. This person doesn't live because of what happens

831
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,759
in chapter one. But yeah, like if I don't know,

832
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,240
if that's that's what the series is. They jump back

833
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:03,119
thirty years and we go back to the next cycle,

834
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:04,640
Like I don't know, do you think they would do

835
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,039
like a almost a what if scenario of like maybe

836
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,400
Pennywise actually kills one of their parents and it like

837
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,320
changes the timeline and we're like, this series, this season

838
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,119
we saw, this time is not necessarily predetermined because Pennywise

839
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,599
can go back and change things or or not or

840
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,440
are they just trying to do some season two bait.

841
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,079
Speaker 1: I think they're doing season two bait, and I think

842
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,599
they could. I would like him to do that.

843
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: I think they could. I just don't think they won't.

844
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:31,400
I think the.

845
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Concept of penny Wise would go back, but I think

846
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,239
he'll be once again thwarted by the parents, the kids, whatever.

847
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,360
But I would kind of like that because then you

848
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,599
do a fun thing where it Welcome to Darius starts

849
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,760
as a prequel, but when you're watching, like man, it's

850
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,679
actually kind of a sequel because it's almost like you

851
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,760
could work your way back that in it chapter two

852
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,679
before because he's always saying like when he's getting kill

853
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,119
these reborn, right, So you could almost work in your

854
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,000
mind that when he's getting killed in that chapter two,

855
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,320
he's going backwards.

856
00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: Hey, I gotta take all this kid's bum Now. I

857
00:34:59,519 --> 00:34:59,920
don't like that.

858
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: Is it just oh I lost to the mom, so

859
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,679
now I gotta take out this kid's grandma. That's kind

860
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,679
of cheesy, but I think that would be a fun

861
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,800
way to freshen up the series of Oh you thought

862
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,800
it was a prequel, but actually technically it is a sequel.

863
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,039
It is something that he can take out those other

864
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,519
two movies. I think, Oh, that's tons of fun. Will

865
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:17,760
they do something like that? I don't think so. I

866
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,880
would love them too. But because they've said the plans

867
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,719
from the keep going back, I guess it's just Pennyway's plan.

868
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,400
It's like, well this time and I don't understand it.

869
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,599
But I like that idea of a villain going Okay,

870
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,480
it's not and it's the terminator thing. It's I'm gonna

871
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:33,079
kill Sarah Connor before she burns John Connor, who leads

872
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:33,559
the war.

873
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,159
Speaker 3: Against the machines.

874
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 4: Right.

875
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: It's a fun concept, a you know, oldest time as

876
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,000
far as the time travel thing killing a bad thing

877
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:41,800
to stop another or a good thing to stop another.

878
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,119
Speaker 3: So I would love that, I do. I think they'll

879
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:46,920
go there. Sadly, no, I.

880
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: Don't, so so I guess Another thing is.

881
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:01,119
Speaker 2: James Ramar in this episode, I remember, oh my god,

882
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,360
you do it, you you do this. It's that was such.

883
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,039
Speaker 4: A fucking weird sequence of him just going up to

884
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,280
like at first of frozen penny Wise and trying to

885
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:11,679
talk to him.

886
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,679
Speaker 2: Can you hear me in there? Like all this stuff?

887
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,639
Speaker 4: And then I think I was kind of confused about

888
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:21,199
the presumably flashback sequencing get is the flashback speak sequences?

889
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,800
So I guess that's supposed to be the first time,

890
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,320
like after Pennywise absorbs that guy, and it's the first

891
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,880
time he's in his body, right, and then he gets

892
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,159
found I guess because like doing that consumed transformation thing

893
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,519
like kind of knocked out, knocked him out, made him

894
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,239
like drunk or something that everyone finds him in the

895
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,079
woods and that and then we're kind of off the races.

896
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,119
Is that what's happening there for.

897
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: Like the flashback when he's it when Dick has him

898
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,159
in like the mind thing, Uh.

899
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,119
Speaker 4: Not necessarily so when Ramar goes up to talk to him,

900
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,800
and then he looks deep into his eye and then

901
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000
it flashes back to Penny.

902
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,519
Speaker 3: The monster with the old man monster thing.

903
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: Right, old man monster thing.

904
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: I thought he because remember when they showed Remark as

905
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,559
a kid, that old man was following him and then

906
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:03,519
he turned to a monster.

907
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,119
Speaker 1: I thought that's what he turned too. He was like

908
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,719
showing him the monster that he was when Remar saw him.

909
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,559
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like when they actually go back to

910
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,199
the old timey flashback when he's in the back of

911
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,719
the cart thing and he's like passed out, like the

912
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,960
clown is passed.

913
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: Out, and like the old last episode.

914
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,679
Speaker 2: No, that was this, That was this episode? That sequence

915
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:25,239
the flashback?

916
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,679
Speaker 3: What the hell did I miss then?

917
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: Because because it's so it's not the scene where Dick

918
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,679
is in his mind and all those people are in

919
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:33,199
the tent talking like you're Bob Gray.

920
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,599
Speaker 2: Not that scene, right, Yeah, that that sequence.

921
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,639
Speaker 3: Okay, that's not well, Okay, That's why I guess I'm

922
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,000
getting confused, because I guess it's it's technically not a

923
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,719
flashback because it's Dick and he's putting that in penny

924
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,679
Wise mind. He like has him locked in a trap.

925
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 4: Okay, I guess I totally miss Can you explain to

926
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,239
me what's happened. I don't think I get the sequence

927
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:51,920
at all of them.

928
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: What's happening is at one point they are they they

929
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,599
know that penny Wise is gonna kill these kids and

930
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,679
get them because Hollerenz watching them right. So that's when

931
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,960
explains he said, hey, remember that one time in the

932
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,559
plane you wouldn't do his mind, and like it really

933
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,119
messed you up, But could you do that one more time?

934
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:07,760
That's the only way we can stop him from getting

935
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,800
the kids. So when penny Wise is about to bite

936
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,320
one of the kids and he freezes, that's dick that

937
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,280
went into his mind and put him in like an

938
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,559
a loop there as far as that, So that's why

939
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,440
what happens later on is when Hollarand is in the

940
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:21,800
car but he gets picked up by a soldier. It

941
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,199
messes him up, and the clown, who is a white

942
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,760
old man when he grabs penny Wise's hand, is black,

943
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,559
and penny Wise sees that, oh, like the the firsaw's done,

944
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,840
Like you had me in a loop and now I

945
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,320
know it's you. And the second he says it's tricky Dicky.

946
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,239
That's when he sees Holleran's face instead of the old guy.

947
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,920
So that's where he put him in the he he

948
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,519
like put him in a box to lock him up.

949
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: There Is that based on a memory then? Or is

950
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,840
that just I think I think it must he must.

951
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,800
It must it based on the memory of Pennywise in

952
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,519
that moment, or like the guy I forget the names.

953
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: The guy's Bob Gray. Yeah, is it?

954
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: Is it like a is a Bob's memory? Because it

955
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,079
to me, it seems like that's where I think I

956
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:01,159
was confused, because it seems to be like almost like

957
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,280
picking up from where that last flashback we had him

958
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,199
going into the woods and then obviously getting like messed up.

959
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like it doesn't take

960
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,280
much for like, I don't think penny Wise when he

961
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,920
transforms in something, he doesn't take too long, right, So

962
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:16,039
I think it's just something.

963
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,039
Speaker 4: Maybe it's like it's just maybe a memory that Bob

964
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,559
had of like some random drunken night when he got saved.

965
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:23,480
Then I guess rather than it being a continuation of

966
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,280
the last flashback, I think that's what was throwing me off,

967
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,800
because it almost seemed to connect with where things left

968
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,840
off in that flashback from I think last week, maybe

969
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,599
it was two weeks ago.

970
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: I think it was last week that started. Yeah, we

971
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:34,920
got the Bob Gray orch and everything like that. It

972
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,920
might be kind of like an amalgamation where it's the

973
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,880
like it's some memories of Bob. But that's also just

974
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,679
penny Wise because he is talking about like I'm not

975
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,519
a dad, like I'm not Bob. He kept saying, like

976
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:44,880
I'm not Bob Gray and everything.

977
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,519
Speaker 4: So interesting idea though that like Bob's memories are, like

978
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:52,360
I guess his brain is still in penny Wise.

979
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: I guess.

980
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: Well.

981
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,079
Speaker 1: I think when he ever hit someone of the dead

982
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,760
lights too, you might absorb a little of them right

983
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,760
in a way, because he always knows stuff about excuse

984
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,039
about people right like right away, like when he when

985
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:04,360
he got out of that car and he's like all

986
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,039
the freak and the loser and whatever.

987
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: He's like, which one are you? I don't know, but

988
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,280
you all taste like I think, whenever he does get

989
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,719
in your mind, he kind of gets some fears and memories.

990
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, because penny Way, he wouldn't actually be using

991
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,920
his body as like a puppet right. You know, I

992
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,360
don't think he's just using the appearance of like of Bob.

993
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah he hate that Bob.

994
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: And then the memories come with it, I guess.

995
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I also did.

996
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,159
Speaker 1: I did like u in the scene before he does

997
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,480
freeze his actual acting with the you know, telling March

998
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:37,320
everything was good, but yeah there remars stuff was Uh

999
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,280
he snaps out of it and then you you know

1000
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:40,679
that too.

1001
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: I liked.

1002
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,039
Speaker 1: I like when Pennywise walks playing just sniffs him and

1003
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,559
he just turns around, just like I never forget a smell.

1004
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:48,159
I like, I I love the lines that give Bill

1005
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,760
here but uh and yeah, like man, what I love

1006
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,800
James Ramar but what a what a bad I'll just

1007
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,400
say bad character overall, like just that, Like I like,

1008
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:00,440
just you're free, now, go, we've freed you.

1009
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: It's just you like you. I think by this point

1010
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,719
you should know this is not a thing you could

1011
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,199
reason with. You can help free it. But to try

1012
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,519
to talk to you and be like, no, it's I'm

1013
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:11,480
the reason you're okay now, Like, I don't know, how

1014
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:18,639
are you old buddy? Yeah it's weird, but he's dead.

1015
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: So r P two h James of Martin's character and uh,

1016
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:23,840
and then a lot and then the rest of the

1017
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,760
team just fought the army. Even though Hamlin had been shot,

1018
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,119
he was fighting the army. We we did mention a

1019
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:30,519
little bit, but they did kill Tanlin.

1020
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,159
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing too, Like I'm not gonna

1021
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,000
say this. I don't want to sit here and say it.

1022
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Taniel, Yeah, I don't want to sit here

1023
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,320
and be like, oh, what I wanted didn't happen, so

1024
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,079
it's bad. I just again talking about I think the

1025
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,639
stakes of the show and the kids and the characters.

1026
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,880
I feel like we did lose a lot of characters,

1027
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,440
but man, a lot of characters sure survive.

1028
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:53,039
Speaker 3: And that made me question, you know, the future for

1029
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,199
it and everything. But true.

1030
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, before we close out here, let's take

1031
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,880
our last ad break.

1032
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: We'll be right back and we're back there. So where

1033
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,239
should we go?

1034
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: James, Mr died, They put down they had a did

1035
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,599
so Ricardo he comes back.

1036
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: That's fine with me if that works. It's kind of

1037
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,599
like shining lower right.

1038
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: We talked about that and shining and uh, doctor sleep

1039
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,119
or spirits can come back and help. Okay, cool, he

1040
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:21,599
comes I don't know why the other kids don't help

1041
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,079
to but fine, it's just rich Oh that's yeah.

1042
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,119
Speaker 4: But that's why I feel like, what's the erasure of

1043
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,679
the guys from the episode one and I and I'm

1044
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,199
a raising too.

1045
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,119
Speaker 2: I don't remember their names, but like what happened to

1046
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:31,599
those guys?

1047
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: Like?

1048
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: You love those guys. Those are your good buddies, weren't.

1049
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: They, Especially that first one, the guy that when they

1050
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,199
win the carcase him and uh yeah, girl, they had

1051
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:41,360
like a little like almost romance, right, like they kind

1052
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,800
of liked each other. So but anyways, now I'm very

1053
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,639
confused on and kind of conflicted on is. So they

1054
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:50,719
bring him back. That's cool, he runs great moment, he

1055
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,159
helps with the dagger. Sure, and then I think I've

1056
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,519
missed this, but they called them rich and his full

1057
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,760
name is Ricardo. And the funeral scene I think was

1058
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,440
nice actually, like that scene of Hall rents and down

1059
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,119
and they hey, you know, feeling like that's your son

1060
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:03,960
with you. I like that the acting. Are we to

1061
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,440
assume that Marge is naming her son Richie because he

1062
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,320
was rich and she loved the kid? Yes, that's very

1063
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,840
odd and I would never do that, Like if if like.

1064
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: God forbid, if Emily had passed away in childbirth or

1065
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,639
and I died, sim I can understand if it's someone

1066
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:22,639
you love, it's like, oh, in honor of your father

1067
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,360
and your mother, I'm gonna give you that name, right.

1068
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,400
But it's weird if like, hey, Emily, this girl I

1069
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,800
love back in high school died, can we name our

1070
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,760
daughter that like that? And even for me, that's a

1071
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,960
little that's fuck, that's fucking weird.

1072
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: As far as Darry go, that's like pretty regular thing

1073
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,719
to do in Darry Then I feel like that that's

1074
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,239
like a not weird thing and dairy. But I agree

1075
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,079
with you. It's very cheesy and very very goofy. I

1076
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,440
mean to me, honestly, that whole sequence was was quite goofy,

1077
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,119
of him running up and putting his hand on the

1078
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:53,000
shoulder he.

1079
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,039
Speaker 1: Gave anyways, any same thing, penny wise, super strong thing. Here,

1080
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,239
he's crawling, he's going soul motion like he can't catch

1081
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,960
these kids, he can't teleport over.

1082
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 3: He telports later on with skin gets melted off.

1083
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will. I'll disagree with you when the

1084
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,599
moment when everyone so, the the funeral ends, everyone's leaving

1085
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:14,039
with the parents are still there. Hallarin comes and sits

1086
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,800
down and he's like, hey, your boy's here. He'll always

1087
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,519
be with you. I feel that hand on your shoulder.

1088
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,760
And they're like, oh, thank you so much, like who

1089
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,039
are you? And his response is I'm still working on that,

1090
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:25,679
and then.

1091
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:29,079
Speaker 2: He just walks away. Fuck off. I hated that. I

1092
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:30,360
was cringing so hard.

1093
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: One of the stupidest lines ever obviously been big team

1094
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,519
Hallard here. I love his acting, but no one could

1095
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:41,360
deliver that line. Well it was so dumb, like that's

1096
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,960
just a stupid thing to say. But also in this

1097
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,360
context too, of like these grieving parents and like trip

1098
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,960
them out with some weird ass like sentence.

1099
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,199
Speaker 2: So yeah, that I thought was just horrendous.

1100
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 3: All you have to say is a friend, that's all

1101
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,000
you say. Just a friend. Boom done, you know whatever,

1102
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:58,960
which I don't care.

1103
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: We can talk about now. Man, they did exactly what

1104
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,840
we said. Oh I hope they don't you that cheesy thing.

1105
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,840
And luckily Chris Chalk is a good accurate like.

1106
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,119
Speaker 2: A hotel.

1107
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: Where you're going, man, Oh well, I'm going up somewhere.

1108
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:13,480
My friends are over hotel. I'm gonna be a cook

1109
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:15,760
there and then oh, ever, need me call me and like,

1110
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,440
I don't think I'll run a much danger at Hotel wink.

1111
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: And it's just like, well, but you know what, I

1112
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,440
I know Taylor is gonna just pream his jeans when

1113
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,000
he hears that one.

1114
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,079
Speaker 2: I'm happy for him.

1115
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,199
Speaker 3: I'm happy. Yeah again, I just dropped the location. But yeah,

1116
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,960
there he goes, so I guess, yeah, he does just go.

1117
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: He does just go to the Overlook Hotel and obviously

1118
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,760
he's working on that, you know, which, yeah, who knows

1119
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
what happens. I wonder if that ever gets revived, because

1120
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,159
I remember at one point they were working on an

1121
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,320
Overlook show and they didn't do it. But I wonder

1122
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,519
when Netflix owning w B or you know, in a

1123
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:48,360
couple of years they might.

1124
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:50,079
Speaker 3: I wonder if they would ever recon back.

1125
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:51,599
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of potential there that could

1126
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:52,119
be cool.

1127
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:57,079
Speaker 1: Too, would they Funny enough, it was JJ Abrams Company producing.

1128
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,199
Speaker 2: Of course it was on paperware.

1129
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, honest, if they do that, Like I you know,

1130
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,480
I'm very much not interested in the second season of this,

1131
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,719
like well in terms of just watching it personally, but

1132
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,760
you know what, take Chris Chalk where he was his name, Yes,

1133
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,320
put him in overlooks serious. Yes, fuck yeah, he doesn't

1134
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,719
have to do the star, just put him in there.

1135
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,639
But also like this, like maybe he doesn't start as

1136
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:18,119
a star and then becomes a bigger part of it

1137
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,199
or not. Either way, like that I would be interested

1138
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,079
in which is which is a good thing?

1139
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: A good takeaway?

1140
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: I guess I agree.

1141
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,599
Speaker 1: So I if the cheesy line leads any executive to

1142
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,480
be like, you know what, has anyone ever done a

1143
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,840
Shining show before? That's one where because that's another show

1144
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,079
that spans multiple decades. Right, I'm not saying do Shining

1145
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,880
don't like recast Jackal. I'm just saying lots of stories

1146
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,559
and use Chris Chalk, you know. But yeah, they did

1147
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:43,519
the thing we said they were gonna do very and like,

1148
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,719
I get it. They do this stuff in comic movie

1149
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,840
the all the time, and we love it. But I

1150
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
think in comic movies I expect like sometimes a certain

1151
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,159
level of cheese. They're like, should William if ever say,

1152
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:53,920
you know, I'm something of a scientists myself.

1153
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,599
Speaker 3: Again, no, but I kind of like.

1154
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,199
Speaker 2: Start the genre as quips, but that is not the

1155
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,159
case in this.

1156
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then they yeah, penny Wise, he gets they

1157
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,440
get the day or down he melts away.

1158
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,119
Speaker 3: I guess he.

1159
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,119
Speaker 1: Goes away, which I just feel like that should have

1160
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,719
like instantly killed him. But no, I guess he just

1161
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,639
goes back to his cave and we're waiting for it.

1162
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,400
Chapter one.

1163
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: And then kind of our characters, I know that they're

1164
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,480
happy to get some goodbyes.

1165
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, we got that weird scene of Rose

1166
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,159
being like, hey, you want this place, I'm moving and

1167
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:22,639
they're like no, we're also movie. I don't know why

1168
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,920
everyone's like, let's just move. I guess they want to.

1169
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:27,679
She doesn't want to stay out to fight Pennywise, I

1170
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,400
don't know. And yeah, and then he had Ronnie and

1171
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,719
Will they kissed, and you know, they're very reminiscent of it.

1172
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,519
Chapter one just just a lot of like stuff of

1173
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,559
people saying goodbye and thought they thought.

1174
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,679
Speaker 3: All worked out.

1175
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing uh like amazing, but nothing like like offensive here,

1176
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,480
just classic like okay, characters going for a circle.

1177
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1178
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:49,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I guess the last two things, or

1179
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:52,400
at least from my notes, one is Perry winkles her

1180
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,280
name right like the other clown lady.

1181
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, so she's.

1182
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,519
Speaker 2: Locked up in uh Juniper Hill or whatever Upper.

1183
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 4: Hill, not much there other than I guess that like

1184
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:08,559
confirming that she's still around. I don't really know what

1185
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:10,199
we do with that. Like, I don't know where this

1186
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,519
leads to. I guess you maybe want fun what you

1187
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,360
obviously want. I guess a final scene of her in

1188
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,880
this series to close it out. But like, I guess,

1189
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:20,039
this doesn't really lead anywhere, and it wouldn't go back

1190
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,800
in time if we're going back in time, obviously, it's

1191
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:22,760
not gonna lead anywhere.

1192
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless the only thing is if, like we said that,

1193
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,400
they do get a little funky and want to experiment

1194
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,519
and do an alternate universe thing, maybe you do some

1195
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,440
flash forwards to nineteen eighty eight, right, maybe the same

1196
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,079
way in this show. We didn't think they'd be going

1197
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,079
back to those older years. Maybe they do that where

1198
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,400
they say, hey, the main story is in nineteen thirty,

1199
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,519
but we're still gonna flash forward to the eighties.

1200
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: I mean, because if not, I'm because this also we

1201
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,039
have the Chapter one thing where we get like a

1202
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:48,880
little bit, we get a scene from that that we

1203
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,639
never saw before, right, so that, yeah, they could jump forward.

1204
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:52,679
Speaker 3: I guess, well, I was.

1205
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: I was very surprised too, Like when in later on

1206
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,840
the scene, it keeps going and then when they get

1207
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,280
the actress of Bev to show up, so I like

1208
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,360
to see like the like the setting and feeling. But

1209
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,239
I was like, I was like, you was, okay, what

1210
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,400
is the purpose of this is this is this literally

1211
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,000
just to tie it to it chapter one, which is

1212
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,719
like you don't need to do that. We understand, like

1213
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,519
you don't need to tie this at all. We understand

1214
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,440
what's happening with it and if anywise and everything.

1215
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: But it felt and I.

1216
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: Guess like, okay, like Bev does see that character again

1217
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,519
in it chapter two, So I don't know if they're

1218
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,639
just drawing it there, but I just I don't know.

1219
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:25,679
If they don't do anything with it, it'll feel a little,

1220
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,760
a little at a place I don't know, I need

1221
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,920
to see maybe there's something I'm missing there. I just thought, Okay,

1222
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,679
it's cool you get this character back and see what's happening,

1223
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:36,159
But what are we what are we doing with this?

1224
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,079
Speaker 4: So I was, yeah, I mean, I guess it just

1225
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:44,159
adds some good context to illuminate Bev and what she's

1226
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,360
gone through. And like obviously I don't know if she

1227
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:50,000
was the one to walk in on her mom hanging herself,

1228
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,360
or if they brought like I assume she would have

1229
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,920
walked in, because I don't think the staff would have

1230
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,159
been like, oh, do you want to come see that

1231
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:56,239
your momself?

1232
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: Like come in her room.

1233
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 4: So obviously her and her dad would have been to

1234
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,679
go going there to visit, and that's when they like

1235
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,639
walked in on it. So obviously that's like super dark

1236
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:08,000
and gives us uh, you know, fills in that little.

1237
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,639
Speaker 2: Piece of of detail there.

1238
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the creepy old lady part Yeah, I guess I

1239
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,880
don't really know what that adds other than because yeah,

1240
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,960
like that character as we talked about her, but like

1241
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:22,960
not in part one, right, the old lady.

1242
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,679
Speaker 3: Yeah she's two.

1243
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like obviously it's a ghost of her, but she's

1244
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,000
in there's.

1245
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess that just fills in that little blank.

1246
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,000
But yeah, I mean even the old lady, like the

1247
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,760
way she was looking creepily, her eyes were drifting a

1248
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,360
bit too, is like Okay, is that I guess is

1249
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,039
that Pennywise?

1250
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:39,559
Speaker 3: Is that his?

1251
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:42,199
Speaker 4: Is that a form he takes to like sneak around

1252
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,159
Juniper Hill Maybe inhabits this old lady I.

1253
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:50,039
Speaker 3: Suppose, Yeah, yeah, no, I Lily have nothing. That's why

1254
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,239
I was just confused by it. I was confused, so yeah, but.

1255
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,599
Speaker 4: More more question actually because obviously, uh, that actress which

1256
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:58,440
what's her what's her name?

1257
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,639
Speaker 2: And the bet of actress? I think I should know

1258
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:04,320
that at this point in my life she's in O D.

1259
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: We should I feel like it's Sophia some but I'll

1260
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,159
find that out there.

1261
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: Sophia Lillis right there you go.

1262
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds right there, you go.

1263
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:12,079
Speaker 2: A nice poll. We worked on that together.

1264
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: We each had one half. What was I gonna say

1265
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,159
about her? Obviously you know she has a spoken line

1266
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,599
and she's physically there, so you imagine she got a paycheck?

1267
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:24,079
Speaker 2: Does Richie? Does Finn Wolfard get a paycheck to have

1268
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:25,960
his face on a picture?

1269
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: I think because that that wanted posters the exact same

1270
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,719
one from it chapter one, I feel okay, yeah, they

1271
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,400
because at one point when they're in the house, he

1272
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,920
finds and he's like, why is my fucking Yeah? He

1273
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,119
freaks out, So I think because it's already something they

1274
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,039
paid for, They're like, we got it so nice.

1275
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: That's funny. Yeah, A weird idea.

1276
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 4: Just Marge an actress who's like fourteen and be like,

1277
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,360
oh yeah, this is the mother of Finn Wolfhart is

1278
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,320
like weird, just weird to think about.

1279
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, and then Finn's out older than her, honesty, right, so.

1280
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:03,679
Speaker 4: Yeah and he's yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that's all

1281
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,239
my notes for it.

1282
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,599
Speaker 2: Welcome to Darry, Yeah, I think so.

1283
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think. Again, I don't understand why

1284
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,440
the handles would stick around. I get it, I guess

1285
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,440
any wise, but I guess they're just heroes now, so okay,

1286
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,400
they're sticking around.

1287
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think there's anybody that I felt like,

1288
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,239
what was the last scene? What was the main kare game?

1289
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:23,679
Was it Lily?

1290
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:25,079
Speaker 2: Her name Lily?

1291
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 3: What was the last scene she got in this? I

1292
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,159
feel like she was kind of guessing.

1293
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: From the ending damn was yes?

1294
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 4: Was she just straight up at the top of like

1295
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,360
the club host and that was she was doing her

1296
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:39,039
saying her stuff with Marge.

1297
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: I guess that is her last line, which seems kind

1298
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,320
of weird.

1299
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,519
Speaker 1: And it also seems weird, like I get because they

1300
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,840
were like like in love, I guess. But Marge is

1301
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,800
the one that got like the big speech at the funeral,

1302
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,679
but like we weren't friends for long, but doesn't matter

1303
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,920
if you're not friends for long or good friend or

1304
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,559
a bad friend. It's just met as you have friends,

1305
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:57,000
and it's like okay and good enough speech. But yeah,

1306
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,239
it felt like Lily kind of took a back seat

1307
00:52:59,280 --> 00:52:59,960
here at the end.

1308
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: I was just trying to.

1309
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,519
Speaker 4: If anything, maybe we needed some resolution, is like, did

1310
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,360
is she fully recovered now from like the corruption that was,

1311
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,800
you know, the fro donus that was happening to her.

1312
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,159
I assume, so, I mean it seemed like when they

1313
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:15,119
had the power of friendship moment that you mentioned, like

1314
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,639
that she was kind of cured in that moment. Yeah,

1315
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:19,800
but yeah, that's that's kind of weird because she definitely,

1316
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:21,880
I mean, I think she definitely took a back seat

1317
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,400
more and more as a series went on, and I

1318
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,920
feel like we've started focusing on their characters and Mars definitely. Yeah,

1319
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,400
I got promoted, I guess, but yeah, a good point.

1320
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,400
Some of that was was strange weird to not get

1321
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,800
a one more scene with her.

1322
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, that's it for me, Dylan, you a number.

1323
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: For this, Yeah, I will. It's a past for me.

1324
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: Cemetery with her dad, right, You're right, that was true,

1325
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,760
she was talking. Could have used more juice there, I

1326
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:47,039
think I.

1327
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: Don't even remember that, and remember two hours ago.

1328
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: I could use some resolution with her mom too, because

1329
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,440
her mom like also tried to put her back in

1330
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,880
Juniper Hill, right, so I could have used something there.

1331
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I will give this a pass for

1332
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:04,920
me overall. As you know, I didn't love these last

1333
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,119
couple episodes. But it's not atrocious, I suppose, but it's

1334
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:11,360
gonna be low. I'm gonna give it a I'm gonna

1335
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,280
give it a six even six.

1336
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just one point above them at a seven.

1337
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: I think the reason I get there to the seven

1338
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,840
is definitely you got Chris Chuck. But also I do

1339
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:27,400
just think in a bottle the penny Wise sequences are

1340
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,239
tons of fun and Bill's tons of fun in them.

1341
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,440
And yeah, I would watch the season two.

1342
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: We'll review it. I don't know. I think we would

1343
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:36,679
have to see because maybe tayosall review.

1344
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: I think it always depends to it everywhere to drop

1345
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:40,559
at a time where there's less content than sure, but

1346
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:43,760
I was somebody where as I said before, I've enjoyed

1347
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,960
these and even what we do here when we review these.

1348
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,320
We not nitpick, but you're more critical. Right, So if

1349
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,400
I'm watching a show where I'm not reviewing, I might

1350
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,519
not overly think about it too much if I'm not

1351
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:54,719
like loving it. I think, as I said last week though,

1352
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,320
that I most of the time enjoyed these episodes, but

1353
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,320
I was rarely couldn't wait for the next time, right,

1354
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,360
And I will say, like for past Travis, so I

1355
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,519
might say like, oh, that's a prequel, you know what happens,

1356
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,159
but that's how end like and or end up being

1357
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:09,880
so good because that was a prequel.

1358
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,519
Speaker 3: But every week those and it went, Man, I cannot

1359
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:12,199
wait for next week.

1360
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: And I know this guy's dying on a beach hugging

1361
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,199
you know, generous, so right, I knew a story.

1362
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 3: But if you can make a story good.

1363
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: Enough, and that's where it's like, Okay, I always enjoyed

1364
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,199
my time for the most part. There were some peaks

1365
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,519
and valleys, but it didn't I think there was a

1366
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,119
couple episodes that got to something being great, but never

1367
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,800
the full way through. So again and again too, I'm

1368
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,159
still interested. You know, nineteen thirty we saw a little

1369
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:35,679
bit with it. I still want to get to the

1370
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,800
third season because I do really want to see what

1371
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,679
they do with the show in nineteen oh three, Like

1372
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,400
that does really intrigue me of doing the penny Wise stuff,

1373
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,960
like really back in like the night, like starting in

1374
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,639
the nineteen hundred. So and like I said, there, the

1375
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,960
concept of the penny Wise time travel thing I enjoyed.

1376
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,440
I don't think the explanation or the low or the

1377
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,599
kind of the way it was used in this show

1378
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,679
with how anybodys was acting was working for me.

1379
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 3: But maybe there is something.

1380
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: I like the idea of it, and maybe they execute

1381
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:04,239
well in season two, and like you pitched them, maybe

1382
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,000
they do do something crazy where there's some sort of

1383
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:08,039
multiverse what of stuff?

1384
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,079
Speaker 3: Do I think? So no, but uh, you know, you

1385
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:11,440
never know. It's it's TV.

1386
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: Do whatever you want, like the movies are there, do

1387
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,719
what you want, get crazy, you know.

1388
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,679
Speaker 4: So yeah, even if they don't commit to it as

1389
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:20,480
like canon, but just like here is a scenario and

1390
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:21,920
then they kind of like undo it, just as like

1391
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,519
Pennywise being in someone's head and projecting a future or

1392
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:25,320
something weird, you know.

1393
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: Well, and like we live in a world where Terminator

1394
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,679
has like three to four different branches Halloween's done that

1395
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,400
where it's like, oh, well this ignores Halloween five and six.

1396
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,639
Speaker 1: This ignores Halloween too, just like people don't care. People

1397
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,800
can do their own things. If they like the product

1398
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,920
and like it, then they'll just move along. I don't

1399
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:43,880
And because I think most people that are gonna really

1400
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,199
complain with like all your changing up the movies, I

1401
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,880
think most of them that they're joining the show will

1402
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,920
probably still watch anyways.

1403
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna go to fight bat for

1404
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:53,039
that much. And it still exists, right, even though we

1405
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,440
got a movie where Jimmie Lee got killed in the

1406
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,719
two thousands, they made three more movies with her.

1407
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: They just said, ah, that didn't matter. And guess what,

1408
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,960
if you really like Halloween Resurrection, you can go watch

1409
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,440
that if you like it, So you could watch that.

1410
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, we'll see. We'll have to see.

1411
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: Also to where lines of with season two, because this

1412
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,559
is the guy w's supposed to be directed in the

1413
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:12,960
DCU Batman, So I wonder if that would delay it

1414
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:15,760
or if he's not doing that anymore. Yeah, they announced

1415
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,519
that after he directed Flash. There's a lot of people,

1416
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:19,519
including myself, I don't think that's gonna happen.

1417
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 4: How do you feel about that after seeing the quality

1418
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,159
of the show, Is that change your excitement level for

1419
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:24,760
that problem?

1420
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:29,239
Speaker 1: I think with h like I unfortunately think with Annie Muschetti,

1421
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,599
it's I won't say fifty to fifty. That sounds harsh,

1422
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:35,719
but I'll say fifty to fifty in terms of it

1423
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,440
being great. I've seen him do things that I think

1424
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,199
are phenomenal, especially at chapter one, which I I don't

1425
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:43,639
know if it's there, but I think at times I've

1426
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,480
maybe considered like a top ten horror movie for myself, which.

1427
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 3: Is pretty good. So if we can get that guy,

1428
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,400
then absolutely. But then there's sounds where like go, eh,

1429
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:52,880
you know what.

1430
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,199
Speaker 1: But I've always said this too, don't if I'm still

1431
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:57,239
getting that Reeves badmant, I really don't care what's happening

1432
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,800
with James Guns Batman. They could they get anyone they want.

1433
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,159
That's the thing where it's like, sure, sure, give him a shot.

1434
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:04,039
I think even that moment we didn't talk about, but

1435
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,840
when Pennywise turns the Gigantic bad and stuff, it's like, yeah,

1436
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,000
you know what. Yeah, Like if he is directing and

1437
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,880
that's the plan for him to do the Batman, that

1438
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,440
fights Man, bat Or Killer Croc or Mister Freeze. Then

1439
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,599
I think there's aspects I think that yeah, or anyways,

1440
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:21,000
like the fantastical stuff. I think Andy's good at that,

1441
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,840
at doing good set pieces. So I think if you want, hey,

1442
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:26,199
for the first time ever, we want Batman to fight

1443
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,199
like a sixteen foot crocodile, I actually think and he's

1444
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:30,320
probably a good choice for that.

1445
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: I think he's good that stuff.

1446
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:33,519
Speaker 1: Just give him a bigger budget so we don't got

1447
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:35,320
some of the snow, Like, I want that sewer to

1448
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,639
be looking good, you know. I don't want yeah, sure

1449
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,239
yeah to be like just fake mud everywhere, but uh yeah,

1450
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,360
let us know what you thought on Patreon, YouTube, social media.

1451
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: The discord.

1452
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: I will keep the channel up for a little bit

1453
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,079
till the next thing starts and then now, yeah, next

1454
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:51,119
week you'll hear from me and Dylan. I guess I'll

1455
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:52,599
promote on the other shows too, But yeah, me and

1456
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,239
Deal will be doing Fallout Tantahite Joys for some but

1457
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:57,719
his baby is here in the next two weeks, so

1458
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,719
I think it's highly unlikely. But yeah, I mean they

1459
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,679
will be you and those and hopefully fingers crossed. Uh

1460
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:05,079
we enjoy that show. We enjoyed the first season. You

1461
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:07,360
can check out our review there and hopefully it's the same,

1462
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,639
but that'll be a Thursday because Dalan Gout's plan then

1463
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:15,000
and I'm not doing antar, so Friday you're gonna get a.

1464
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,159
Speaker 3: Fallout and avatar. But yeah, thank you everyone that did

1465
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:19,199
listen and check this out. Thank you Dyan for joining,

1466
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,199
thank you too for joining when we did, and I

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hear from us next. It'll not be boring. Wrong button