Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the It
Welcome to Darry season one review series. But this is
the season one finale review. I am Tricky Dicky tres Now,
and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I'm the batmode Dylan Muss Batmode.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one. Yes, it is Jiman just us.
Speaker 1: Taylor was excited to be here, but he had family
coming town, so I did arrange some plans. But I imagine
because he was, he was like, I don't know if
I want miss this time.
Speaker 3: It's the finale, you'll be you know, whatever, go with
the family.
Speaker 1: But I imagine Dylan, you'll probably have to hear some
of his thoughts on the the what you've been watching
a weekly geek? But if so, if you want any
Taylor thoughts there, you can get them there because he
missed the last two, so here his opinions there. But
me and Dylan are here to close this out. The
prequel series two, The hit Ones. We can go back
in the feeds. We reviewed the movies, we reviewed every episode.
Everything's there, Dyl Muss, how did you feel this was
the close out?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: A long episode our nine so I can't say one
thing at least like I think we're so used, Like
obviously Disney Plus did that.
Speaker 3: I had a big issue earlier this season.
Speaker 1: Done you were on the reviews, but peace Maker had
a lot of episodes where it's like thirty three minutes.
It's like, like, so I'll give this show that credit
that I feel like he was always hidden at least
like a forty five minute plus.
Speaker 3: Thing, and at least for an hour nine. I don't
know if it hit everything, but at least it feels like, Okay,
there wasn't.
Speaker 1: A uh, there wasn't prey like in exactly a rush
like hour nine. There's lots of breathing time, which is
good because I feel like a lot of shows nowadays
are just moving really fast and not for the benefit
of it. But Dylan, also, you've had a rocky road
with this one. How were you at the stop here?
Did the car get there one piece? Or was there
some damage done to the rims, the glass, the mirrors, anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there there's definitely some damage done to all of
those car parts that you just mentioned. Yeah, I so,
I guess you know, there's probably a lot of people
who are tuning into this episode who maybe didn't listen
to everything along the way. A lot of people want
maybe jumping on for the finale of things, which sense.
And yeah, so for me, this show started out pretty well.
It was a little bit rocky, but it's usually Oh,
I really liked this episode. Didn't care much for this episode,
but it was at least kind of mediocre. But then
I think the last specifically three weeks maybe for me,
is when it's really it really just nosedived to some extent.
I think last week in particular was like it just
kind of get worse and worse, and for me, at
the end of the day, here last episode not a
good ending for me. I was pretty disappointed with this
season finale. Well maybe that's not the right word because
I think I kind of expected this just after how
the last couple of weeks when I'm like, I don't
think I'm going to enjoy the ending of this now,
I still tried to give it a shot. I watched
it paid attention. I was trying to be open minded
with the big crazy things that were happening, and even
though I didn't love what it implied, but I was like, Okay,
I'll just try and see it out see how I
feel about it. And Yeah, ultimately I really did not
jive with this finale. There's a lot of choices here
in terms of Penny stuff that really bothers me. I
guess that's a good way to put it in a
non spoilersy way. I think a big thing for me
is I think the acting has been not phenomenal through
this whole series, but I think in this episode in particular,
was not great. There's some really really cheesy dialogue in
here that it quite bothered me. I guess it's a
good way to put it. Some of the action sequences.
There's a couple good moments, but I think for the
most part, not looking very good. Good on the CGI,
I don't love like the choreography of the stuff that's
going on here. I think maybe the positive I can
give to this is that it's very different. It's not
just a rehash of what we got in the two movies.
Speaker 3: We were worried last week.
Speaker 1: It's just the setup was identical too, because now we're like,
I feel like it's like it chapter one, BEV gets kidnapped,
it chapter two, I can't remember if someone gets kidnapped
and we're going in the well and this ended with
Will got kidnapped. Looks like we're going to get pennywise,
So I'll agree with you there that we were worried
and they at least did that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so it took some different directions. Obviously I
didn't really love those directions that it took, but I
do have to commend it for not just being a
rehash and trying some different things and kind of carving
I guess, its own initials into like what this world
can be, what the characters can be. Like there's there's
one like character connection thing I just found so cheesy.
But I think I just found a lot of this
episode really cheesy. Doesn't really fit with the vibe of
a whole lot of it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was quite disappointed. There's really not a.
Speaker 4: Whole lot that I enjoy in this But you know what,
I'm glad it's over I overall, I don't think I
loved the show a whole lot. I didn't really like
it that much when it's all said and done, unfortunately,
But yeah, I think that's I think that's where I'm
at for now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm of a few minds here.
Speaker 1: I think just like last week, I'll say this week
but I agree that there's probably some sketchy cgi stuff.
But I think, like last week, if you were wanting
the scary penny Wise good moments, the finale does it again.
Speaker 3: Here. I think there's some really fun scares. I think
there's some moments.
Speaker 1: I think Bill scarscard again gets to do some different
things as penny Wise, and he's just great. We said
this from the beginning. He just has such a handle
on the character. Not that I expected him to lose it,
but still it's been twenty sixteen seventeen since or I
guess more like twenty eighteen since he's played this character
and hasn't missed a beat, and he's bringing more stuff
where to the point where it's like I didn't love
everything the show, But I guess why I'm always still
down for more seasons because if I get more of him,
it's still always like just a fun thing. Like there's
multiple scenes in this especially the opening of this show,
very dark, but Bill's just.
Speaker 3: Like sinking his teeth right into it.
Speaker 1: So if again, if you just primarily watch a kay
you just want to see this clown scare some people.
I think they do some good moments there, so you know,
that going on. Yeah, I think there's I'm excited to
talk about the Pennywise stuff because I think there's stuff
that I enjoy from a lower perspective and reveals. But
I think it's it works better as if they were
let's say this was a reb and this was the
start of something new. I think it doesn't work great
in lieu of the other movies. I think that's my problem.
Where they could present some ideas where you go, oh,
that's cool, and that'd be a great show, where that'd
be a great concept, but it just makes me feel
like there's things that happen in other teams that just
don't drive together. And I know, everyone join our discord
and check out the chapter or the it spoilers chat,
whether it's a day after the next day. April always
drops like a big Bible worth of all facts that
she's a big Stephen King fit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a big Stephen King fan, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I talked to her about this little last week
where and I think other people have had this sentiment.
I'm not doing any spoilers, but just feels like the
kids like penny Wise is I don't know, just so
much lower tier in the movies that follow, and I
know it's like, oh, well, the turtle's helping. But the
problem is in this show they allude to that, like
they give hints of it, and then with the movies
they don't really at all. And that's my problem is
I think there's a lot of things that maybe in
the books or constants may go, oh, well, this isn't
happen because of this, but they don't show or explain
or write that. So I just have to go okay
based on what happens in the future and what's happening here.
I just I feel like it kind of makes it
Pennywise incompetent a little time, which I'm not saying he
was like a goddamn genius, but I didn't ever take
him for that. I took him as arrogant and very
cocky with these kids. But I thought this show would
kind of be the setup towards that. So yeah, I'm
trying to tiptoe around it because they did some they
did some interesting things. At least they took some swings.
Don't know if they all worked. And then I think
the ending is I had some issues with there's especially
one thing that.
Speaker 3: There's just one thing this character tried to do to
other characters, and.
Speaker 1: I could not believe it just felt so kind of
cheesy just I don't know, I got a giggle. I
get what they're going for. So yeah, this didn't land
with me. But even though, like I didn't ever hate
the show, I still had a good time. And I think,
just like last week, though, there is a set piece
that there's too much cgi going on. It's something where
it's just like, I wish we're shooting this practical. I'll
just has to do a snow and I was like,
let's find somewhere and just get a snow machine and
just blurt it out. And even if it doesn't look
like a storm, it's like add some stuff in later.
Speaker 3: It's like last week with the fire, where.
Speaker 1: Okay, it looks it doesn't look believable at all, so
that sense of danger is not there and it takes
me out the whole time. It sucks because the set
pieces by themselves I think are great. Maybe that's the
limitations towards a TV show right budget or even just
time constraints. But then maybe find another way around that.
And I guess also say non spoilers, we'll get into
right away. But I also thought how big things got
in this episode I did not enjoy as well either.
I thought we went to a massive scale for something
that is supposed to be like a oh, not many
people know about this clown.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know, man, I feel like a
lot of people have some stories now. But I digress.
So anything else non spoilers.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess maybe I'll just ask you this. Maybe
someone's tuned in. Is this show worth watching? What do
you think if you're a fan of the movies. If
you're not, is this this show worth worth the watch?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: I think if you're a fan of the movies, it's
worth a try. I think it's gonna be. I feel
like with everybody, it's different strokes for different folks. So
I feel like you've been more negative undown on it.
I've been kind of like an up and down. Taya
has been mostly up and then I feel someone like
even Rachel, I feel.
Speaker 3: Like or not Rachel. I don't know why I called
you Rachel April April.
Speaker 1: I don't know where that name came from. I feel
like she's something that like really was enjoying her loving
the show up until last week, which I was surprised
about right, So that's my thing. I can't get engauged
because it feels like people are kind of I think
it also depends your fandom, right, are you big Stephen
King book person or you're just a fan of the movies.
I think if you're a fan of the movies, it's
worth trying. And I think the it may vary per user.
I think it all depends. And I also do think
it might be a better Bin show because I think
those people that were waiting for penny Wise are wanting, like,
oh not the slow burn. I think if you watch
us all on the weekend, you could end up maybe
loving a lot more. Where else we had to watch
it weekly and may wait for some stuff in some
episodes that were maybe more slower or didn't reveal too
much or move the plot forward.
Speaker 3: Those were maybe a bit more of a drag.
Speaker 1: To get through when it was a ten week sequence,
which yeah, they did a full ten weeks, so it
doesn't feel like that, but it has been.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, fair enough, Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, and the yeah Kyle Golf is from Discord
and Patron said, yeah, the CGI was rough. Yeah, and
that's the tough thing with TV shows, right, Like some
of them do have some great ones, but they are
somewhat limited. So yeah, we will talk about that. We're
taking for a sad break and then we were back
and get full into it and we're back, Dylan us Rachel.
Where do you want to start with? Where do you
want to start with this episode?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Let's see, let's start uh with well, let's just start
in the classic Kirkland fashionables, start at the beginning. So yeah,
I'm curious where exactly the line is for you of
like just the scale of this being so much bigger
than we've seen before. And like, I'm so used to
Pennywise working in the shadows and like sometimes so go
in public areas, but he's always just like hiding behind
a sheet and then like disappears or something. Right, he's
never being too public. Yeah, so when he was when
he starts flooding the town with like fog and stuff.
To you, is that is that too big scale? Or
are you still like, Okay, I'm still with it at
this point in time, but it more like broke later on.
Speaker 1: I see I was with it in the sense of
if it's just something's going on that's the effects of
Penny Wise that's going through the town, because it could
just be oh, well, that's just regular smoke or fog,
and maybe it's infecting some people, but it's just that
for me, it broke when he popped up to the school.
This is where I'm of two minds. So I love
the school sequence. I love the puppeteering, the head, the
kids getting scared. I like it as a scene by itself,
But the second he's floating dozens of kids, I was like,
especially because he was just about to like Hibernate last week.
He was in the thick of well, I'm done with this,
so I get what they're trying to do, like, oh, look,
he could be a big global threat.
Speaker 3: But that's where it lost.
Speaker 1: For me is when he was physically taking all these
people because I don't know, are they all moving, because
then I would assume they would all know about that,
and that just does not portray in what we got
with it, at least the movie. And well there's more
things with some reveals, but that was where it tipped
off for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think it really added much to
the stakes of it all because the only person that
we know and care about in there is Will and.
Speaker 1: Even the kids are like there is and they try
to get no, they're not paying attention to anybody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, was he even in the auditoriums? I feel like I
don't remember like a camera actually looking at him.
Speaker 3: Like, no, he got called last week though, remember right right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like even in that whole sequence, I
don't know. I just feel like, I guess I don't
want these kids to die. But like the only ones
that we know in here are the three like popular
girls who have just shown to be like assholes.
Speaker 2: So it's like, Okay, those are the people I'm supposed
to be concerned about here.
Speaker 4: So yeah, to me, it was just it was far
too big and showy and public, and you know, I
was again, I'm trying to take the show up for
like what it's doing. Okay, this is what they're telling me,
what the story they're going for. But I think I
just prefer when penny Wise is kind of being more
low key, and it just, you know, it's hard to
with this being a prequel because this feels like the
biggest thing I've seen him do, right, and so it
just feels like now he feels like deep powered later on,
which I don't totally. So yeah, I think for those
reasons it kind of throws me off, and so I
kind of forgot. But yeah, it was a good breakdown
from April last week, not Rachel April of the turtle situation. Uh,
this like world turtle god thing that can like help
the kids and whatnot, which is something I never knew about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's say the good like the quotations good version
of what Penny wise.
Speaker 4: If anyone is listening doesn't know what we're talking about,
just join the discord and right April's right up because
we you know, can't do it justice. But yeah, do
you think that was a hint because they're the three
girls were like, I forget what they was talking about exactly,
but there was someone dressed up in like that turtle costume,
Like is that related, Like what's going on?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I think they just put East Strikes the same way
as like a couple episodes ago when they did find
that shard it was like in a turtle shell. I
think I think it is a way where it is
it's East Strikes, but it's maybe relating like this turtle
godlike thing is all around. But again, unless I get
into that and won these show like one of these seasons,
I just can't buy into that. And also it's just
like it's tough for me because the Stephen.
Speaker 3: King lare is bigger.
Speaker 1: I'll just be honest, I've never loved the idea of
Penny Wise is like this space god entity thing. I
know it's from the books, I know that is the origin.
It's just one of those things where's just like, I'm
fine if he's just a class like I'm fine if
he's like a transforming thing. But I'm fine if he's
just a thing that takes things to eat and that's
about it. I don't need this whole lore, and Stephen
King has a whole world, so I get so the
turtle thing at most, I'm always like, eh, but that's
where it's for me.
Speaker 3: If okay, if we're gonna do it, then you may
as well just do it.
Speaker 1: Especially I do think for season two or three they
probably should explain it even more because I feel like
they are trying to get whacky, especially with this whole
not time travel but that sort of I live in
type of any other era. I feel like, okay, if
you're going in a sense where now penny wise, can
he knows how he dies? Just bring in this turtle now,
you know, like you're starting to get whacky, and maybe
that's what they're trying to get people ready for. It's like, hey,
the movies are a bit more basic, but this show
was gonna get into some more like god crazy stuff.
But that's where to me, it's like either do it
or don't hit that. But yeah, I think the turtle
was just a hint. But who knows me that turtle's
the turtle?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I forgot about the shell thing in
the other episodes. Yeah, maybe there's just more of those things,
And now that I'm thinking about turtles and it, I'll
probably start noticing it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they even do it in like chapter one and two.
Maybe there's like little hints of I.
Speaker 3: Think there's like a one time they walk there's like
a turtle shell in the sewer or something like that.
Like there are hints to it, but not avert obviously.
Speaker 4: Okay, So yeah, from there, then we jumped to Haller
and Hellarin's back in his room and he's having trippy visions.
I think this not all the CGI works here, But
actually I did like this scene. I like the creepiness
of it. I like that each one of them was
like doing something kind of different. You have the one
guy like creeping around on the ground. You have the
one guy that's like halfway through the wall, which is
like a really really creepy imagery, and I actually like
was bought into the suspense a little bit of the
It's Handling right, that was trying to get in there.
The other guy comes like save them.
Speaker 1: Yes Handling, Yeah, hollerinz the dick one, and then yah,
Handlin's the Yeah.
Speaker 4: I actually thought that had some good suspense of like,
man is Hallard is just gonna shoot this guy as
they thinks he's like a zombie coming at him, you know,
like who knows what could happen here? So I thought
that that scene was pretty good. Uh And because I
feel like, to me, I think callerin this I should
find the actor's name unless you know off the top
of your head. But for me, he kind of has
been like the highlight of this series, and I think Yea,
to me has the best delivery. I buy into what
he's doing the most, even though he's like the most
otherworldly character because he actually has like these other powers.
There's an exception here, which is his I think it's
his last line or one of his last lines, which
we'll talk about later on. But yeah, I really liked
that sequence when he's just in his room, he's debating
shooting himself in the head and committing suicide, was having
these crazy visions, and then you know, when he finds
out that his friend's son is missing, he's like, okay,
I'll help out. But he still is like kind of
grouchy after that too. He's still not loving their plan.
But I thought that was like a really well done
scene with him.
Speaker 3: Chris Chalk is his name, but yeah, it was a
Chris Chock.
Speaker 2: I think he's done such a great job this series.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing too, Like I'm I feel like
it has to I don't get was. I feel like
the fact that it ended when it said it welcomed
Dary chapter one.
Speaker 3: I know they don't know for sure, but.
Speaker 1: Because last week was the most watched episode HBO report
in this it's like, I feel like they haven't officially
said season two is happening. I feel like it has.
To my point was, I feel like the show is
at least doing well. I think it's in the top
three of HBO shows as far as I think it's
like Game of Thrones, Last of Us in this which
I think is pretty good. Don't know why you wouldn't
do a season two unless this is like maybe way
more expensively. But my point is that I think a
lot of people are watching and that kind of spreads
and I just feel like you're gonna see Chris Chawk
way more in the next five years because I had
only seen this actor once. I think I've said this before,
but he played Lucius Fox in the Gotham Show on Fox,
where he was like that and he was good in that,
but it's just like a very minor role.
Speaker 3: But I just feel like this is one of those performances.
Speaker 1: Where a lot of agentscy and like, you know what,
that guy is really good for X, Y and Z.
And I feel like the good thing with this role
is he has been charismatic. He has done like kind
of the action thing, he's kind of done the spooky thing.
It's one of those things where it's like, oh, he's
not just good at being the funny guy. He's not
just good at being the action guy. He showed multiple
facets where if it's a comedy, I could believe that.
If it's a horror movie, I could believe that. If
it's you know, he's on in the next Terminator, Find
a Terminator, I can believe that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree that.
Speaker 1: I think taking from the series, other than some of
the stuff Bill has done, he was the standout and
I do hope to see him in more stuff down
the line.
Speaker 2: So absolutely, yeah, yeahhh what did we get.
Speaker 4: To Oh yeah, no, I guess, well, I don't unless
you had anything else on that specific scene, because then
I would just jump to kind of their plan with
like the not the kids, but like the adults plan.
Speaker 2: I guess no, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a really good scene, a
good read. I think I also gave the Dick character
something just endearing the fact that he was going to
take his own life, but he still would delay that
to help this guy get his son, but then take
his life after. Even the guy Handlin's like i'll shoot
you myself, I'll help you out and stuff. So I
like that just showed that even if he's planning on
leaving this earth, which luckily he didn't, he's still like, Okay,
I'm gonna help out this person that you know doesn't
deserve what's happening to him. And obviously, like we'll talk
about throughout, but I just also think he had a
lot of good scenes and I was very happy about
one in the middle, so mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then and then the sequence with the adults when
they're kind of devising a plan, they're kind of all together,
they're pooling their resources to help save the day. I
love the moment when like they're all describing this plan.
They're talking about this dag or they're talking about an
old pine tree, and I'm like, oh my god, this
is so goofy all this and then and then you
cut to hallerin He's like, you're all a bunch of
goddamn fools and you're just smoking a cigarette. He like
turns around the way. I was just like so not
driving with like all of the plan and all the
lore that they're dropping there, and then he comes in
there with just like this sassy remark.
Speaker 2: I thought was was really great.
Speaker 4: So I I, yeah, I didn't love this idea of
this old oak tree that's been here longer than you know,
this entire clan's been here.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: It just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It feel verys not my favorite.
Speaker 1: I almost wish it was just some way where they
even casually or somehow brought it up in the show.
I'm sure maybe at some point April someone will tell
us that all in the books it is this thing.
But it's like in the show. I wish they would
have talked about it, Oh, there's all these points and
maybe show it. Just it felt very random, also because
I just felt like I thought you'd have to put
that chart back almost exactly where it was right, So.
Speaker 3: It was almost weird that they're going here in its.
Speaker 1: New location, Like to me, that feels like a little easy.
But the other thing I did, I know they This
is not a critique of the writing, because they set
this up, so I'm not saying it's bad. It's just
I didn't personally enjoy the The ring definitely hollows Locket
sort of vibe here with it when they're doing the
whole it's turning characters against each other. I know there
are things that are kind of like from penny Wise
or the entity or whatever it is, but I just
don't think that finale needed that here. I don't think
it did anything. I don't think it added to it
because I just don't think like it other than than
Lower the Rings. Anytime movies do these, it's like, I
don't believe Ron's gonna kill Harry here.
Speaker 3: It's that that.
Speaker 1: Part in Horror or Harry Potter part one has my
least favorite part there, and that's where what I like
in Lord of the Rings not to get to full
in that, but like what happens with Bormir, it leads
to some big story stuff and it goes, oh, that's
why I cause Frodo left.
Speaker 3: And it shows and Bormir died.
Speaker 1: I feel like most of the time they do something's
taken over somebody with main characters. Nothing comes of it,
and nothing did here other than just like the power
of friendship, which I felt like we have the power friendship.
I feel like we are now united.
Speaker 4: I do give them the classics event. They were one
hundred percent united for yeah, and.
Speaker 1: I do give them credit where I kind of liked
that they united near the end of the journey. We
talked about that they weren't just another loser's club, right.
They did come together and they were a bunch of kids,
but it was a slower They weren't best friends. Many
times they were divided against each other. So I liked
how it eventually laid out.
Speaker 3: I just don't think we needed this where Okay, they
already say the town kind of gets poisoned and whatnot,
so it's just another add on to that. So I
didn't I didn't enjoy any of the mind controls or
stuff or just the mood turning.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I don't want to keep ragging on
these kids, but for me, the acting of those sequences
was not great, Like especially when the three of them
are like in the woods and they're like tackling each other.
I just I really just get taken out of these moments.
And yeah, because I thought Lily was like kind of
the peak kid actor of this in the first half,
and I think it's just less hurtful and more just
like the writing for me, like really dropping off a
cliff in these last few episodes, but in particular here, Yeah,
I did not like this subplot of like this.
Speaker 2: Dagger turning her turning her evil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not work for me.
Speaker 1: And then to that we get to the Ice, which
again we talked about good and there's good stuff going
on here. I love, like I said, I love the
scene with Bill Scars gritting and the puppet.
Speaker 3: I love when he's in whatever, this.
Speaker 1: Weird carnaval band wagon thing, like they're just giving him
some fun things to do here and he's just like
he's doing his facials. He's saying weird stuff, like all
the stuff you'd want. But the finale at least takes
place on you know, by this tree, but on the ice,
which is like, okay, we're on the well, different scenario.
Speaker 3: I didn't love that it was.
Speaker 1: I get why because multiple times penny Wise as hiding
or they use the high from the soldiers, but this
like cgi smoke, dust, snow whatever, it was just it
was too much. Just felt like there was a filter
and they just turned it to one hundred and it just.
Speaker 3: They don't get wrong.
Speaker 1: I like there's images of when they're looking around and
they just see the eyes of penny Wise and the snow.
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, that's cool. I just think they.
Speaker 1: Maybe overdid it a bit, and at times it didn't
look the greatest. But I like the concept of a
finale on the ice. It's snowing, it's storming. I like
that idea. It just again didn't look the greatest, like
last week with the fire unfortunately.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it all just feels too like
volume or like green screeny, yeah, which takes you out
of it. And yeah, I think so I was this
The ice section is like thirty minutes long, so there's long.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, little things to break down here.
Speaker 3: No one fell through the ice either too.
Speaker 2: Very's pretty crazy. And they were like driving vehicles on
it and stuff.
Speaker 1: There's two there was a carnival thing and there was
a car. There was multiple vehicles and dozens of people
on this ice and.
Speaker 4: At one point one hundred kids fall out of the
air and all smash and a similar spot on the
ice and nothing, nothing breaks there. But I guess it
wasn't real ice. It was fake penny wise or you know,
it was magical ice, Okay, well like it came from
a magical cloud, right, So it's like, I don't know,
was it realized or was it fake?
Speaker 3: Is fair enough for that? You know? This I hate?
Before you go, why can't this is what I hate?
And we'll get into it more with the future stuff.
Speaker 1: If he's creating a cloud with ice, why can't he
just snap his fingers and all these people are frozen
on the ground. Like the people that are trying to
attack him, why aren't they frozen? That's my one thing
with penny Wise in both these movies, not so much movies,
but it still happens a bit, and especially with this show,
his power level is all over, especially when we get
to like here revels there's one character, be really good.
Speaker 3: If he kills why are you talking to her? Why
are you doing them all? Loge what I mean?
Speaker 4: Even the fact that he mind controlled one hundred kids
at the same time was like whoa, yeah, whoa, that's
a crazy level up that I didn't know he was
capable of that, Like doing that we only have ever
seen it be like a really intimate thing in the past,
So it was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: This is stuff that for me would feel better if
it was They're like, you know what, there's not a book,
but we're gonna do a third it, right, somehow penny
Wise comes back. He's more juiced up.
Speaker 1: Then you can kind of believe, Okay, whatever jargon mcguffin
you want to give, he's more powerful. But that's where
it's always like, so this is the guy, and I
know again April's gonna.
Speaker 3: Top of the Turtle, but there's no turtle in those movies.
Speaker 1: So just like, this is the guy that just loses
to like five kids that kind of are renegades, you know,
like that's it like and in this one they're like
shooting with a gun everything like that.
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what did you Because I don't think we
knew about this point of connection that Marge is Richie's dad.
I was about to say dad, Marge is Richie's mom,
because do we ever see Ritchie's parents?
Speaker 1: No, we see Bills, we see obviously BEVs, and then
we see God.
Speaker 2: The kid that's like really neurotic with like the illnesses
and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, why can I not remember his name at all?
But that's annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we never see his parents. But why would they
not move? I don't know, because I like they say,
when you when you leave dairy, that's when you forget.
We saw in it chapter two Mike Hamerlon as adult
stays there, he remembers it all. So this lady Marge,
and I guess the idea is maybe they'll fight Pennywise.
But it's just like, wow, what a big setup for
your kid, you know, I.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they think that they won, right.
Speaker 1: No, they don't though, because at the end they are like, oh,
every twenty that. Even the woman that's selling her farm,
she's like, oh, in twenty seven years, it'll be back.
Speaker 2: Like, but does Marge know that specifically?
Speaker 1: I just feel like if the parents know that and
now that they went through this adventure together, everyone would
know this, right. It's not like the old movie.
Speaker 4: There's so much of that in Dary though, so much
of like do you guys not pool information?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but at least with it chapter one, it's
like the kids do it by themselves, so you could see,
k No, one's gonna believe us.
Speaker 3: But you have four adults there that have been through this.
They five. Actually they will believe you. They will. There's
a whole little thing. I know, I'm jumping forward.
Speaker 1: But one of my favorite things is when I think
her name was Rose, right, the girl that lost Handiel
on this episode, I think I'll have to bring it up.
Speaker 3: We always forget her name, okay, but when she's like.
Speaker 1: The Handlins they're moving right, they're leaving Darry and she's like,
you know, it'd be really great if you could hear,
okay it his rose rose like, it'd be really great
if you could join our thing. In twenty seven years
is gonna be backing, you never know, And I've thought, okay,
this kind of makes sense, you know, recruit some more people.
Always good to get some more people of the cause.
Because she's like, you know, I'm selling the farm and
with Taniel gone, I just there's nothing really here for
me there. And I just thought, wow, you're trying to
pass this off. But like it's different if you're staying
there as well. But like, yeah, I'm moving, could you
take the farm and look after this penny Wise thing?
It's like, Wow, what a bunch of bullshit that is.
So that's we're just like for me, I don't know
why Marge would stay there. I'm gonna assume she has
all the the memories or even like in the movie
when uh in twenty seven years, when Bill's brother Georgie
goes missing, when she go, oh shit, it's happening again.
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's too many issues with it, you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, but I mean maybe she just gets her
mind poison over time, you know, like more and more.
Like I don't know if the poisoning gets like stronger
closer to the cycles, like if it builds up over
those twenty seven years, like people.
Speaker 2: Get more and more shitty.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if right now, every like obviously
at the end of this, you know, it's like bright
and sunny, everyone's happy, everyone's doing good. No one seems
to be corrupted or anything. But like, I, yeah, I
wonder if that is supposed to ramp up over time
or if it's supposed to be like a consistent people
and Dairy are awful and like this is this is
what it is. But yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd imagine like
a lot of people that go through this level of
trauma these characters do would like forever be able to
combat that poison to some extent, but like I don't
know how that how that magic works. But uh, one
two things that I thought were really really good people
at that early Ice sequence. One is, so the three
girls are there, they go find Willy comes out. They
have the dagger, so he can't like grab them, and
so he's like glitching around, he's teleporting, he's fashoveling, he's
dashing by. Eventually he grabs Marge's leg, pulls her away.
We get this probably two or three minute long sequence
of Pennywise slowly following her, and then eventually he gets
like stopped, and then she runs away and we go back.
She runs back to her crew, and the two girls
have just been standing by the fucking cart for minutes
with the dagger not moved an inch. They didn't think
to go try and find her. They didn't go in
the direction that she was pulled in. They're just standing
there looking around, not even saying anything. So that was
really stupid. And the other thing is when the when
the adult crew shows up and they're like they try
to do this dramatic thing with the car is like, oh,
it's gonna it's about to hit them, but then like, oh,
they slammed the brake and they stop.
Speaker 2: They're on fucking ice. Would they just got like totally smashed.
Speaker 1: By like magic icegic ice? Though that's a break.
Speaker 2: Established magic ice. It can you can you can break
on magic ice?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So just a couple of cheesy things with the
pacing of everything I thought just didn't really pan out
for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's where I'm with you, where that's where I'm
so divided on the show. Just in general, because I
like the visuals and the scene of the kids back
to back and just penny Wise laughing, appearing through the
like the smoke, Like, Oh, that's all great, that's fun
jump scares. But for me, it's also in that first
episode with the dagger when we saw penny Wise and
it dropped. Are you telling me he could just like
maneuvered around it? Like I just almost think he should
not be able to do Yeah, I just did not
think he should be able to do circles around it.
I don't know, it just it feels like that's my
problem with penny Wise powers.
Speaker 3: How the victims are affected with this dagger.
Speaker 1: It's like there's rules until we need something to happen,
and then well that doesn't really happen, right, It's just
like same thing. It's like you could be right about oh,
people are affected differently, but it's then give.
Speaker 3: Them why are they affected differently? Is it their age?
Is it this that? Like?
Speaker 1: Because like in like I said, in chapter two, Mike
remembers everything. He's a little crazy, but he remembers everything
that happened name of the kids. So but some people
might not. I don't know, but I did like the scene,
and that's where I'm torn two where I actually don't
I actually enjoy the concept of the Pennywise entity seeing past, present,
future and knowing like, hey, at some point, these kids
are gonna get me because I fel like we see
all the time time travel stuff where it's like, Okay,
let's say I die in two years. I'm trying my
whole life to figure out so I can't die, right,
and then you probably do something that makes yourself die.
Like I like that dichotomy, and I don't mind him knowing.
I kind of wish in that moment he like smelter
and then figure that out, like oh my god. But
it felt like he knew, like he knew that's gonna
be the mom So that takes me down right. So
to me, if he finds out in the moment, it's
like this fun revelation, it's like, oh, I'm gonna kill her,
and then you stop where he's if that's where Because
I was talking about this with Kyle Golface, he's putting
the discordy some about like the second season whatnot Just
for me if with this kid and what they set
up for season two, I get that Pennywise loves to eat.
I know he likes to have all these leftovers and
the but if you know, hey, this is the person
that could be the responsible responsible for my death by
giving birth to somebody, you instantly like just lash. There's
no monologue, there's no nothing. So that's where for me
e Thei're making penny Wise almost two goofy too, kitty
villain of like in it. I love Goosebumps, And that's
the way a Goosebumps film would act, where it's very
all the kids can easily outsmart them, where Pennywise, I understood,
could be out smarter. But this feels so literally his
life is in peril if he doesn't kill this girl.
And why is he talking to her? Why is he
showing her a little thing? Why is he smelling her?
Like just you can tell that to anybody.
Speaker 3: So it's just again the stakes are kind of all over.
Speaker 1: Even though I like the idea of this thing and
see it the day dies and knows like maybe I
gotta find a way to figure that out.
Speaker 3: And I like that he doesn't know.
Speaker 1: He's kind of lost in time because it's similar to
in Watch when there's a character of Doctor Manhattan where
he's living in you know, Sunday, December fourteenth, but he's
seeing his entire life all the time. And I like
that concept of this odd like character having time kind
of in a bottle, can see everything from start to
finish and death and Reworth and all this stuff. But
I just thought that the plot device then doesn't make
much sense for the character who can kill anybody very easily.
Speaker 4: So jumping ahead, then, how do you feel about the
Marge is when they're back in the back in their
like tower, their hideout area, and she's talking about that concept.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, I think he can.
Speaker 4: He can go back in time and like kill our parents,
And then Lily has like a cheese lung where she's like, well,
that's not our fight then, which is like silly, but like,
obviously to me, that felt like season two bait of like, Okay,
we got to get people interested. You know, obviously you're
gonna care about these parents now because you're connected to
these kids and you care about what happens to them,
But like, how do we And maybe you could make
that the same case for this series as a whole,
because a lot of it we knew, oh, obviously this
person lives. This person doesn't live because of what happens
in chapter one. But yeah, like if I don't know,
if that's that's what the series is. They jump back
thirty years and we go back to the next cycle,
Like I don't know, do you think they would do
like a almost a what if scenario of like maybe
Pennywise actually kills one of their parents and it like
changes the timeline and we're like, this series, this season
we saw, this time is not necessarily predetermined because Pennywise
can go back and change things or or not or
are they just trying to do some season two bait.
Speaker 1: I think they're doing season two bait, and I think
they could. I would like him to do that.
Speaker 3: I think they could. I just don't think they won't.
I think the.
Speaker 1: Concept of penny Wise would go back, but I think
he'll be once again thwarted by the parents, the kids, whatever.
But I would kind of like that because then you
do a fun thing where it Welcome to Darius starts
as a prequel, but when you're watching, like man, it's
actually kind of a sequel because it's almost like you
could work your way back that in it chapter two
before because he's always saying like when he's getting kill
these reborn, right, So you could almost work in your
mind that when he's getting killed in that chapter two,
he's going backwards.
Speaker 3: Hey, I gotta take all this kid's bum Now. I
don't like that.
Speaker 1: Is it just oh I lost to the mom, so
now I gotta take out this kid's grandma. That's kind
of cheesy, but I think that would be a fun
way to freshen up the series of Oh you thought
it was a prequel, but actually technically it is a sequel.
It is something that he can take out those other
two movies. I think, Oh, that's tons of fun. Will
they do something like that? I don't think so. I
would love them too. But because they've said the plans
from the keep going back, I guess it's just Pennyway's plan.
It's like, well this time and I don't understand it.
But I like that idea of a villain going Okay,
it's not and it's the terminator thing. It's I'm gonna
kill Sarah Connor before she burns John Connor, who leads
the war.
Speaker 3: Against the machines.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a fun concept, a you know, oldest time as
far as the time travel thing killing a bad thing
to stop another or a good thing to stop another.
Speaker 3: So I would love that, I do. I think they'll
go there. Sadly, no, I.
Speaker 4: Don't, so so I guess Another thing is.
Speaker 2: James Ramar in this episode, I remember, oh my god,
you do it, you you do this. It's that was such.
Speaker 4: A fucking weird sequence of him just going up to
like at first of frozen penny Wise and trying to
talk to him.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me in there? Like all this stuff?
Speaker 4: And then I think I was kind of confused about
the presumably flashback sequencing get is the flashback speak sequences?
So I guess that's supposed to be the first time,
like after Pennywise absorbs that guy, and it's the first
time he's in his body, right, and then he gets
found I guess because like doing that consumed transformation thing
like kind of knocked out, knocked him out, made him
like drunk or something that everyone finds him in the
woods and that and then we're kind of off the races.
Is that what's happening there for.
Speaker 1: Like the flashback when he's it when Dick has him
in like the mind thing, Uh.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily so when Ramar goes up to talk to him,
and then he looks deep into his eye and then
it flashes back to Penny.
Speaker 3: The monster with the old man monster thing.
Speaker 2: Right, old man monster thing.
Speaker 3: I thought he because remember when they showed Remark as
a kid, that old man was following him and then
he turned to a monster.
Speaker 1: I thought that's what he turned too. He was like
showing him the monster that he was when Remar saw him.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like when they actually go back to
the old timey flashback when he's in the back of
the cart thing and he's like passed out, like the
clown is passed.
Speaker 3: Out, and like the old last episode.
Speaker 2: No, that was this, That was this episode? That sequence
the flashback?
Speaker 3: What the hell did I miss then?
Speaker 1: Because because it's so it's not the scene where Dick
is in his mind and all those people are in
the tent talking like you're Bob Gray.
Speaker 2: Not that scene, right, Yeah, that that sequence.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's not well, Okay, That's why I guess I'm
getting confused, because I guess it's it's technically not a
flashback because it's Dick and he's putting that in penny
Wise mind. He like has him locked in a trap.
Speaker 4: Okay, I guess I totally miss Can you explain to
me what's happened. I don't think I get the sequence
at all of them.
Speaker 1: What's happening is at one point they are they they
know that penny Wise is gonna kill these kids and
get them because Hollerenz watching them right. So that's when
explains he said, hey, remember that one time in the
plane you wouldn't do his mind, and like it really
messed you up, But could you do that one more time?
That's the only way we can stop him from getting
the kids. So when penny Wise is about to bite
one of the kids and he freezes, that's dick that
went into his mind and put him in like an
a loop there as far as that, So that's why
what happens later on is when Hollarand is in the
car but he gets picked up by a soldier. It
messes him up, and the clown, who is a white
old man when he grabs penny Wise's hand, is black,
and penny Wise sees that, oh, like the the firsaw's done,
Like you had me in a loop and now I
know it's you. And the second he says it's tricky Dicky.
That's when he sees Holleran's face instead of the old guy.
So that's where he put him in the he he
like put him in a box to lock him up.
Speaker 4: There Is that based on a memory then? Or is
that just I think I think it must he must.
It must it based on the memory of Pennywise in
that moment, or like the guy I forget the names.
Speaker 2: The guy's Bob Gray. Yeah, is it?
Speaker 4: Is it like a is a Bob's memory? Because it
to me, it seems like that's where I think I
was confused, because it seems to be like almost like
picking up from where that last flashback we had him
going into the woods and then obviously getting like messed up.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like it doesn't take
much for like, I don't think penny Wise when he
transforms in something, he doesn't take too long, right, So
I think it's just something.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's like it's just maybe a memory that Bob
had of like some random drunken night when he got saved.
Then I guess rather than it being a continuation of
the last flashback, I think that's what was throwing me off,
because it almost seemed to connect with where things left
off in that flashback from I think last week, maybe
it was two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I think it was last week that started. Yeah, we
got the Bob Gray orch and everything like that. It
might be kind of like an amalgamation where it's the
like it's some memories of Bob. But that's also just
penny Wise because he is talking about like I'm not
a dad, like I'm not Bob. He kept saying, like
I'm not Bob Gray and everything.
Speaker 4: So interesting idea though that like Bob's memories are, like
I guess his brain is still in penny Wise.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I think when he ever hit someone of the dead
lights too, you might absorb a little of them right
in a way, because he always knows stuff about excuse
about people right like right away, like when he when
he got out of that car and he's like all
the freak and the loser and whatever.
Speaker 3: He's like, which one are you? I don't know, but
you all taste like I think, whenever he does get
in your mind, he kind of gets some fears and memories.
Speaker 4: So yeah, because penny Way, he wouldn't actually be using
his body as like a puppet right. You know, I
don't think he's just using the appearance of like of Bob.
Speaker 3: Yeah he hate that Bob.
Speaker 2: And then the memories come with it, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I also did.
Speaker 1: I did like u in the scene before he does
freeze his actual acting with the you know, telling March
everything was good, but yeah there remars stuff was Uh
he snaps out of it and then you you know
that too.
Speaker 3: I liked.
Speaker 1: I like when Pennywise walks playing just sniffs him and
he just turns around, just like I never forget a smell.
I like, I I love the lines that give Bill
here but uh and yeah, like man, what I love
James Ramar but what a what a bad I'll just
say bad character overall, like just that, Like I like,
just you're free, now, go, we've freed you.
Speaker 3: It's just you like you. I think by this point
you should know this is not a thing you could
reason with. You can help free it. But to try
to talk to you and be like, no, it's I'm
the reason you're okay now, Like, I don't know, how
are you old buddy? Yeah it's weird, but he's dead.
Speaker 1: So r P two h James of Martin's character and uh,
and then a lot and then the rest of the
team just fought the army. Even though Hamlin had been shot,
he was fighting the army. We we did mention a
little bit, but they did kill Tanlin.
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing too, Like I'm not gonna
say this. I don't want to sit here and say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Taniel, Yeah, I don't want to sit here
and be like, oh, what I wanted didn't happen, so
it's bad. I just again talking about I think the
stakes of the show and the kids and the characters.
I feel like we did lose a lot of characters,
but man, a lot of characters sure survive.
Speaker 3: And that made me question, you know, the future for
it and everything. But true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, before we close out here, let's take
our last ad break.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back and we're back there. So where
should we go?
Speaker 1: James, Mr died, They put down they had a did
so Ricardo he comes back.
Speaker 3: That's fine with me if that works. It's kind of
like shining lower right.
Speaker 1: We talked about that and shining and uh, doctor sleep
or spirits can come back and help. Okay, cool, he
comes I don't know why the other kids don't help
to but fine, it's just rich Oh that's yeah.
Speaker 4: But that's why I feel like, what's the erasure of
the guys from the episode one and I and I'm
a raising too.
Speaker 2: I don't remember their names, but like what happened to
those guys?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: You love those guys. Those are your good buddies, weren't.
Speaker 1: They, Especially that first one, the guy that when they
win the carcase him and uh yeah, girl, they had
like a little like almost romance, right, like they kind
of liked each other. So but anyways, now I'm very
confused on and kind of conflicted on is. So they
bring him back. That's cool, he runs great moment, he
helps with the dagger. Sure, and then I think I've
missed this, but they called them rich and his full
name is Ricardo. And the funeral scene I think was
nice actually, like that scene of Hall rents and down
and they hey, you know, feeling like that's your son
with you. I like that the acting. Are we to
assume that Marge is naming her son Richie because he
was rich and she loved the kid? Yes, that's very
odd and I would never do that, Like if if like.
Speaker 3: God forbid, if Emily had passed away in childbirth or
and I died, sim I can understand if it's someone
you love, it's like, oh, in honor of your father
and your mother, I'm gonna give you that name, right.
But it's weird if like, hey, Emily, this girl I
love back in high school died, can we name our
daughter that like that? And even for me, that's a
little that's fuck, that's fucking weird.
Speaker 4: As far as Darry go, that's like pretty regular thing
to do in Darry Then I feel like that that's
like a not weird thing and dairy. But I agree
with you. It's very cheesy and very very goofy. I
mean to me, honestly, that whole sequence was was quite goofy,
of him running up and putting his hand on the
shoulder he.
Speaker 1: Gave anyways, any same thing, penny wise, super strong thing. Here,
he's crawling, he's going soul motion like he can't catch
these kids, he can't teleport over.
Speaker 3: He telports later on with skin gets melted off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will. I'll disagree with you when the
moment when everyone so, the the funeral ends, everyone's leaving
with the parents are still there. Hallarin comes and sits
down and he's like, hey, your boy's here. He'll always
be with you. I feel that hand on your shoulder.
And they're like, oh, thank you so much, like who
are you? And his response is I'm still working on that,
and then.
Speaker 2: He just walks away. Fuck off. I hated that. I
was cringing so hard.
Speaker 4: One of the stupidest lines ever obviously been big team
Hallard here. I love his acting, but no one could
deliver that line. Well it was so dumb, like that's
just a stupid thing to say. But also in this
context too, of like these grieving parents and like trip
them out with some weird ass like sentence.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that I thought was just horrendous.
Speaker 3: All you have to say is a friend, that's all
you say. Just a friend. Boom done, you know whatever,
which I don't care.
Speaker 1: We can talk about now. Man, they did exactly what
we said. Oh I hope they don't you that cheesy thing.
And luckily Chris Chalk is a good accurate like.
Speaker 2: A hotel.
Speaker 3: Where you're going, man, Oh well, I'm going up somewhere.
My friends are over hotel. I'm gonna be a cook
there and then oh, ever, need me call me and like,
I don't think I'll run a much danger at Hotel wink.
Speaker 4: And it's just like, well, but you know what, I
I know Taylor is gonna just pream his jeans when
he hears that one.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3: I'm happy. Yeah again, I just dropped the location. But yeah,
there he goes, so I guess, yeah, he does just go.
Speaker 1: He does just go to the Overlook Hotel and obviously
he's working on that, you know, which, yeah, who knows
what happens. I wonder if that ever gets revived, because
I remember at one point they were working on an
Overlook show and they didn't do it. But I wonder
when Netflix owning w B or you know, in a
couple of years they might.
Speaker 3: I wonder if they would ever recon back.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of potential there that could
be cool.
Speaker 1: Too, would they Funny enough, it was JJ Abrams Company producing.
Speaker 2: Of course it was on paperware.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, honest, if they do that, Like I you know,
I'm very much not interested in the second season of this,
like well in terms of just watching it personally, but
you know what, take Chris Chalk where he was his name, Yes,
put him in overlooks serious. Yes, fuck yeah, he doesn't
have to do the star, just put him in there.
But also like this, like maybe he doesn't start as
a star and then becomes a bigger part of it
or not. Either way, like that I would be interested
in which is which is a good thing?
Speaker 2: A good takeaway?
Speaker 3: I guess I agree.
Speaker 1: So I if the cheesy line leads any executive to
be like, you know what, has anyone ever done a
Shining show before? That's one where because that's another show
that spans multiple decades. Right, I'm not saying do Shining
don't like recast Jackal. I'm just saying lots of stories
and use Chris Chalk, you know. But yeah, they did
the thing we said they were gonna do very and like,
I get it. They do this stuff in comic movie
the all the time, and we love it. But I
think in comic movies I expect like sometimes a certain
level of cheese. They're like, should William if ever say,
you know, I'm something of a scientists myself.
Speaker 3: Again, no, but I kind of like.
Speaker 2: Start the genre as quips, but that is not the
case in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then they yeah, penny Wise, he gets they
get the day or down he melts away.
Speaker 3: I guess he.
Speaker 1: Goes away, which I just feel like that should have
like instantly killed him. But no, I guess he just
goes back to his cave and we're waiting for it.
Chapter one.
Speaker 3: And then kind of our characters, I know that they're
happy to get some goodbyes.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we got that weird scene of Rose
being like, hey, you want this place, I'm moving and
they're like no, we're also movie. I don't know why
everyone's like, let's just move. I guess they want to.
She doesn't want to stay out to fight Pennywise, I
don't know. And yeah, and then he had Ronnie and
Will they kissed, and you know, they're very reminiscent of it.
Chapter one just just a lot of like stuff of
people saying goodbye and thought they thought.
Speaker 3: All worked out.
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing uh like amazing, but nothing like like offensive here,
just classic like okay, characters going for a circle.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I guess the last two things, or
at least from my notes, one is Perry winkles her
name right like the other clown lady.
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, so she's.
Speaker 2: Locked up in uh Juniper Hill or whatever Upper.
Speaker 4: Hill, not much there other than I guess that like
confirming that she's still around. I don't really know what
we do with that. Like, I don't know where this
leads to. I guess you maybe want fun what you
obviously want. I guess a final scene of her in
this series to close it out. But like, I guess,
this doesn't really lead anywhere, and it wouldn't go back
in time if we're going back in time, obviously, it's
not gonna lead anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless the only thing is if, like we said that,
they do get a little funky and want to experiment
and do an alternate universe thing, maybe you do some
flash forwards to nineteen eighty eight, right, maybe the same
way in this show. We didn't think they'd be going
back to those older years. Maybe they do that where
they say, hey, the main story is in nineteen thirty,
but we're still gonna flash forward to the eighties.
Speaker 4: I mean, because if not, I'm because this also we
have the Chapter one thing where we get like a
little bit, we get a scene from that that we
never saw before, right, so that, yeah, they could jump forward.
Speaker 3: I guess, well, I was.
Speaker 1: I was very surprised too, Like when in later on
the scene, it keeps going and then when they get
the actress of Bev to show up, so I like
to see like the like the setting and feeling. But
I was like, I was like, you was, okay, what
is the purpose of this is this is this literally
just to tie it to it chapter one, which is
like you don't need to do that. We understand, like
you don't need to tie this at all. We understand
what's happening with it and if anywise and everything.
Speaker 3: But it felt and I.
Speaker 1: Guess like, okay, like Bev does see that character again
in it chapter two, So I don't know if they're
just drawing it there, but I just I don't know.
If they don't do anything with it, it'll feel a little,
a little at a place I don't know, I need
to see maybe there's something I'm missing there. I just thought, Okay,
it's cool you get this character back and see what's happening,
But what are we what are we doing with this?
Speaker 4: So I was, yeah, I mean, I guess it just
adds some good context to illuminate Bev and what she's
gone through. And like obviously I don't know if she
was the one to walk in on her mom hanging herself,
or if they brought like I assume she would have
walked in, because I don't think the staff would have
been like, oh, do you want to come see that
your momself?
Speaker 2: Like come in her room.
Speaker 4: So obviously her and her dad would have been to
go going there to visit, and that's when they like
walked in on it. So obviously that's like super dark
and gives us uh, you know, fills in that little.
Speaker 2: Piece of of detail there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the creepy old lady part Yeah, I guess I
don't really know what that adds other than because yeah,
like that character as we talked about her, but like
not in part one, right, the old lady.
Speaker 3: Yeah she's two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like obviously it's a ghost of her, but she's
in there's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess that just fills in that little blank.
But yeah, I mean even the old lady, like the
way she was looking creepily, her eyes were drifting a
bit too, is like Okay, is that I guess is
that Pennywise?
Speaker 3: Is that his?
Speaker 4: Is that a form he takes to like sneak around
Juniper Hill Maybe inhabits this old lady I.
Speaker 3: Suppose, Yeah, yeah, no, I Lily have nothing. That's why
I was just confused by it. I was confused, so yeah, but.
Speaker 4: More more question actually because obviously, uh, that actress which
what's her what's her name?
Speaker 2: And the bet of actress? I think I should know
that at this point in my life she's in O D.
Speaker 3: We should I feel like it's Sophia some but I'll
find that out there.
Speaker 2: Sophia Lillis right there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds right there, you go.
Speaker 2: A nice poll. We worked on that together.
Speaker 4: We each had one half. What was I gonna say
about her? Obviously you know she has a spoken line
and she's physically there, so you imagine she got a paycheck?
Speaker 2: Does Richie? Does Finn Wolfard get a paycheck to have
his face on a picture?
Speaker 1: I think because that that wanted posters the exact same
one from it chapter one, I feel okay, yeah, they
because at one point when they're in the house, he
finds and he's like, why is my fucking Yeah? He
freaks out, So I think because it's already something they
paid for, They're like, we got it so nice.
Speaker 2: That's funny. Yeah, A weird idea.
Speaker 4: Just Marge an actress who's like fourteen and be like,
oh yeah, this is the mother of Finn Wolfhart is
like weird, just weird to think about.
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, and then Finn's out older than her, honesty, right, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah and he's yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that's all
my notes for it.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Darry, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think. Again, I don't understand why
the handles would stick around. I get it, I guess
any wise, but I guess they're just heroes now, so okay,
they're sticking around.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think there's anybody that I felt like,
what was the last scene? What was the main kare game?
Was it Lily?
Speaker 2: Her name Lily?
Speaker 3: What was the last scene she got in this? I
feel like she was kind of guessing.
Speaker 2: From the ending damn was yes?
Speaker 4: Was she just straight up at the top of like
the club host and that was she was doing her
saying her stuff with Marge.
Speaker 2: I guess that is her last line, which seems kind
of weird.
Speaker 1: And it also seems weird, like I get because they
were like like in love, I guess. But Marge is
the one that got like the big speech at the funeral,
but like we weren't friends for long, but doesn't matter
if you're not friends for long or good friend or
a bad friend. It's just met as you have friends,
and it's like okay and good enough speech. But yeah,
it felt like Lily kind of took a back seat
here at the end.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to.
Speaker 4: If anything, maybe we needed some resolution, is like, did
is she fully recovered now from like the corruption that was,
you know, the fro donus that was happening to her.
I assume, so, I mean it seemed like when they
had the power of friendship moment that you mentioned, like
that she was kind of cured in that moment. Yeah,
but yeah, that's that's kind of weird because she definitely,
I mean, I think she definitely took a back seat
more and more as a series went on, and I
feel like we've started focusing on their characters and Mars definitely. Yeah,
I got promoted, I guess, but yeah, a good point.
Some of that was was strange weird to not get
a one more scene with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, that's it for me, Dylan, you a number.
Speaker 2: For this, Yeah, I will. It's a past for me.
Speaker 3: Cemetery with her dad, right, You're right, that was true,
she was talking. Could have used more juice there, I
think I.
Speaker 2: Don't even remember that, and remember two hours ago.
Speaker 1: I could use some resolution with her mom too, because
her mom like also tried to put her back in
Juniper Hill, right, so I could have used something there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I will give this a pass for
me overall. As you know, I didn't love these last
couple episodes. But it's not atrocious, I suppose, but it's
gonna be low. I'm gonna give it a I'm gonna
give it a six even six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just one point above them at a seven.
Speaker 1: I think the reason I get there to the seven
is definitely you got Chris Chuck. But also I do
just think in a bottle the penny Wise sequences are
tons of fun and Bill's tons of fun in them.
And yeah, I would watch the season two.
Speaker 3: We'll review it. I don't know. I think we would
have to see because maybe tayosall review.
Speaker 1: I think it always depends to it everywhere to drop
at a time where there's less content than sure, but
I was somebody where as I said before, I've enjoyed
these and even what we do here when we review these.
We not nitpick, but you're more critical. Right, So if
I'm watching a show where I'm not reviewing, I might
not overly think about it too much if I'm not
like loving it. I think, as I said last week though,
that I most of the time enjoyed these episodes, but
I was rarely couldn't wait for the next time, right,
And I will say, like for past Travis, so I
might say like, oh, that's a prequel, you know what happens,
but that's how end like and or end up being
so good because that was a prequel.
Speaker 3: But every week those and it went, Man, I cannot
wait for next week.
Speaker 1: And I know this guy's dying on a beach hugging
you know, generous, so right, I knew a story.
Speaker 3: But if you can make a story good.
Speaker 1: Enough, and that's where it's like, Okay, I always enjoyed
my time for the most part. There were some peaks
and valleys, but it didn't I think there was a
couple episodes that got to something being great, but never
the full way through. So again and again too, I'm
still interested. You know, nineteen thirty we saw a little
bit with it. I still want to get to the
third season because I do really want to see what
they do with the show in nineteen oh three, Like
that does really intrigue me of doing the penny Wise stuff,
like really back in like the night, like starting in
the nineteen hundred. So and like I said, there, the
concept of the penny Wise time travel thing I enjoyed.
I don't think the explanation or the low or the
kind of the way it was used in this show
with how anybodys was acting was working for me.
Speaker 3: But maybe there is something.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of it, and maybe they execute
well in season two, and like you pitched them, maybe
they do do something crazy where there's some sort of
multiverse what of stuff?
Speaker 3: Do I think? So no, but uh, you know, you
never know. It's it's TV.
Speaker 1: Do whatever you want, like the movies are there, do
what you want, get crazy, you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, even if they don't commit to it as
like canon, but just like here is a scenario and
then they kind of like undo it, just as like
Pennywise being in someone's head and projecting a future or
something weird, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, and like we live in a world where Terminator
has like three to four different branches Halloween's done that
where it's like, oh, well this ignores Halloween five and six.
Speaker 1: This ignores Halloween too, just like people don't care. People
can do their own things. If they like the product
and like it, then they'll just move along. I don't
And because I think most people that are gonna really
complain with like all your changing up the movies, I
think most of them that they're joining the show will
probably still watch anyways.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna go to fight bat for
that much. And it still exists, right, even though we
got a movie where Jimmie Lee got killed in the
two thousands, they made three more movies with her.
Speaker 1: They just said, ah, that didn't matter. And guess what,
if you really like Halloween Resurrection, you can go watch
that if you like it, So you could watch that.
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, we'll see. We'll have to see.
Speaker 1: Also to where lines of with season two, because this
is the guy w's supposed to be directed in the
DCU Batman, So I wonder if that would delay it
or if he's not doing that anymore. Yeah, they announced
that after he directed Flash. There's a lot of people,
including myself, I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about that after seeing the quality
of the show, Is that change your excitement level for
that problem?
Speaker 1: I think with h like I unfortunately think with Annie Muschetti,
it's I won't say fifty to fifty. That sounds harsh,
but I'll say fifty to fifty in terms of it
being great. I've seen him do things that I think
are phenomenal, especially at chapter one, which I I don't
know if it's there, but I think at times I've
maybe considered like a top ten horror movie for myself, which.
Speaker 3: Is pretty good. So if we can get that guy,
then absolutely. But then there's sounds where like go, eh,
you know what.
Speaker 1: But I've always said this too, don't if I'm still
getting that Reeves badmant, I really don't care what's happening
with James Guns Batman. They could they get anyone they want.
That's the thing where it's like, sure, sure, give him a shot.
I think even that moment we didn't talk about, but
when Pennywise turns the Gigantic bad and stuff, it's like, yeah,
you know what. Yeah, Like if he is directing and
that's the plan for him to do the Batman, that
fights Man, bat Or Killer Croc or Mister Freeze. Then
I think there's aspects I think that yeah, or anyways,
like the fantastical stuff. I think Andy's good at that,
at doing good set pieces. So I think if you want, hey,
for the first time ever, we want Batman to fight
like a sixteen foot crocodile, I actually think and he's
probably a good choice for that.
Speaker 3: I think he's good that stuff.
Speaker 1: Just give him a bigger budget so we don't got
some of the snow, Like, I want that sewer to
be looking good, you know. I don't want yeah, sure
yeah to be like just fake mud everywhere, but uh yeah,
let us know what you thought on Patreon, YouTube, social media.
Speaker 3: The discord.
Speaker 1: I will keep the channel up for a little bit
till the next thing starts and then now, yeah, next
week you'll hear from me and Dylan. I guess I'll
promote on the other shows too, But yeah, me and
Deal will be doing Fallout Tantahite Joys for some but
his baby is here in the next two weeks, so
I think it's highly unlikely. But yeah, I mean they
will be you and those and hopefully fingers crossed. Uh
we enjoy that show. We enjoyed the first season. You
can check out our review there and hopefully it's the same,
but that'll be a Thursday because Dalan Gout's plan then
and I'm not doing antar, so Friday you're gonna get a.
Speaker 3: Fallout and avatar. But yeah, thank you everyone that did
listen and check this out. Thank you Dyan for joining,
thank you too for joining when we did, and I
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