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through room, through both LEAs I know you left me question.
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burn the desperate yearning for lott'st to cope with later
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foot what we know is right, and making not demands,
and never given into ghosts, just hoping for where change.
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fundamentally u central central Intel spelled it out. It sounds
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Speaker 1: You've already won.
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You can do it because you've done it someday, some say,
prove it to yourself, and that's enough to use the
runway claims be taking off of oft these guys and
lives to try to find us, flying freely, feeling finding
finding fly past, not to find us, climbing higher than
we dared you sched you fall back to the ground,
resounding off the atmosphere.
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all out.
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burning like the stars. We've got scars as.
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you know well, you know that you got this, said, well,
you know well, you know well, you know that you
got this. M I feel a little bitter about this.
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to sit and settle myself done before I hear it
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gear up, dust off script the rust off. You can
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at last, I I've found so many floors and lock
doors are torn down? How many more before I'm forced
to lay down and take a break, Before I break
and fade out? Listen and that this it's got me
thinking about what's missing. It's insensitive, obsessing over every single mistake,
taking time and making rhymes to take my minds up
all this sickness witness in between the lines of something
written you got this, you got this?
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you got this? Said, well you know? Will you know?
Will you know that you got this?
Speaker 6: M You can through these windows, watching people following wind blows,
holding on the hope that no wind folds beneath the
weight of carry getting their burdens, hurting inside and out,
trying trying to be something someday, some way, somehow, someone
that they can be proud of, sure the work what
they climbed out of, holding onto who they were while
turning into something more.
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just be sure so they won't need to need no more. Indeed,
we plead to leave this core, imploring we don't need
to work, and we can be without being forced, without
being forced, without being forced, without.
Speaker 6: Being forced, without being poor, without being poor, without being without.
Speaker 7: I love that we haven't listened to that one in
a while. That is running through a mansion by six
minds combined. Welcome back, everybody. We have entered our number
three new marrow. Trace of Matt Connerton Unleashed and we
are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five
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et cetera. If you are listening live today is Saturday
August two, two thousand and twenty five, and joining us
now live in studio. Let me get that mic up here.
We have a craft yk with that camera on you
there too, because you've got you've got some cool stuff
to show us. But of course from also on Facebook,
you're my art by KF, My art by KF and
of course Chaotic Photography that's the k right yep. So
it's wonderful to have you here. We met through Terminus Underground,
right is that's where we met initially. Yes, you've you've taken.
I was talking about you at the top of the
show today talking about what's coming up, and I did
mention that you've Many of the photographs, the great photographs
of artists, especially performing live, have been taken by you
those are your pictures.
Speaker 8: I every time I'm able to get there and the
bands are playing, I talk to them. I get the
permission to be up their butts with my camera because
I like to get the shots that.
Speaker 9: Nobody else gets.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and yes, I do use my phone, but I
don't consider myself a photographer.
Speaker 9: I'm an artist.
Speaker 8: So I'm going to use whatever medium I have at
that time that's going to fit that project. Yeah, and
then take them and then when I develop them, I
have them. Well I don't have I give them to
andre and at Terminus and he puts them in the frames,
and we have the Hallway of Fame.
Speaker 9: Yes, of Terminus.
Speaker 8: So if you play there and I'm able to capture you,
you go into the hallway.
Speaker 7: Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Hey do me a favorite. Can you
just turn that mic towards you a little bit? Yeah,
and no, just so it's like you're talking straight into it. Oh, perfect, perfect. Yeah.
The MIC's are very they very sensitive. I just want
to make sure everybody can hear you. Okay, no, that's
uh yeah. And I always tell people too. The first
time you go to Terminus, it's kind of like walking
into another world, you know, especially when you go into
that room. You know, well, the hallway is impressive, right
because the last time i've Jenny and I were there
for the open house, and I think at that point
there was already some of your pictures that you had
take and that were that were put up and it
was like, wow, this is really cool.
Speaker 8: Yes, Eleanor has allowed me to keep my art up
there like seven yeah, yeah, and which I am willing
to share. But I'm the rock Star member and as
a right now, I think I'm might be the only
artist artist, but I do believe she has another rock
so I member. Now I'm not sure what his medium is.
But I started painting a year and a half ago,
and before that was all pencil and I finally was like,
you know what, I'm going to try this out, and
all of a sudden, I just started painting everything and
I absolutely love it. And I just keep building my
art into every If it interested me, I'm going to
do it. So I just now I got into taking pictures.
Speaker 7: Wait, so did the did the photography come later?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 7: Like? What what came first? In terms of your of
your creating art?
Speaker 8: So I've always done pencil, drawing, pencil and paper like
you will never take that away from me. Okay, I
can bring it everywhere. I can create what I want
with that in any kind of setting. And then I
started a little bit photography, but not as much as
I've been doing now. Okay, I've always done crafting. And
then just like I said a year and a half ago,
I started really painting like I did paintings, but I
never wanted to show anybody really Yeah, and then I had, like,
you have that event in your life that either pulls
you down brings you up. Mine pulled me down and
I refused to sit down and refuse to lay down.
Speaker 9: So I made it bring me up.
Speaker 8: And people started seeing it and they were like, no,
we got to get we got to get this out,
We got to get this out.
Speaker 9: And I was like what. I was like, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 8: And my boyfriend Eddie set up my Facebook page and
my Instagram page for me and just started putting my
art out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Something that we talk about a lot on the
show is, in fact, it came up with my previous guest,
Jamie Higgs. Uh is you know, using art, whether it
be visual art or music or whatever art it is
that you're creating using it is really sort of a
form of therapy and working through things because sometimes it's hard,
especially and Jamie and I talked about this specifically. Sometimes
it's hard, especially when you're dealing with you know, major
life events or any kind of trauma, you know, to
to talk about that stuff and to be able to
emote everything that you're dealing with. But using art as
a way to kind of channel that and that that
expression and working through, working through your feelings and then
what winds up happening is not only is it great
therapy for you, but it also is something that other
people can connect with. So it's a way of you
help yourself and you also wind up helping other people too. Well.
Speaker 8: Mine wasn't. Mine wasn't so much for therapy For me.
It was getting people to understand how I felt.
Speaker 7: Sure, sure it was because being able to communicate that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's how I communicate.
Speaker 8: I'm not very good with words, as you can hear now,
but through my art, I can express myself. I can
tell tell how you can feel it. You can see
how I'm feeling or what I'm trying to say versus
me actually trying to say it. Because I talk NonStop
I'm Adhd, So Nope, everybody kind of tunes me out sometimes.
Speaker 7: The Adhd. Does that play a role in your art?
Do you think? Oh, definitely, there's a specific reason. I'm
curious about that. So, I don't know if you're familiar
with doctor Kevin. He's from Nashua, doctor Kevin ross Emory.
I think Eleanor, Yeah, Eleanor knows him. I've known doctor
Kevin for like twenty years and he's amazing. But he's
done a lot of work in add adhd. He's written
some books. One of the books he's written about it
is called Managing the Gift, and the premise of the
book is, look, if this is something that you have
or maybe your child has, this is not but this
is not a disorder. This is not a bad thing.
This is not something you have to figure out how
to overcome. This is something you should use because people
with this are creative and and there's a there's a
lot of things if you use it correctly. There are
a lot of things about ad d adhd. That's that's
how he puts it, that that can actually be very
helpful and useful to you and accomplishing things. And also
and specifically in being creative.
Speaker 8: Oh, definitely, like you can my friend's six minds combined.
You can ask him. You give me one idea, I'll
give you twenty. And it's why you're trying to solve
one thing. I've already solved it. I'm working on something else.
And it's my hyper focus. Yes, what calms me down.
It just kind of centers me. My mom calls it.
He gets the world and I just get stuck in
it sometimes though that I forget everything else.
Speaker 7: Really.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 7: Gonna be hyper focusing. That's another thing that comes with it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 9: It's got its curses and it's got its blessings.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean I think I have
a little bit of that myself because I tend to
I can really kind of hyper focus on things. And
I remember doctor Kevin and I having a conversation about
it and he said, yeah, Matt, you've definitely got some
You've got some of these traits.
Speaker 8: In the eighties, nobody was diagnosed with that. We were
just kids and we were hyper and right watch and
we got set next to the teacher.
Speaker 7: Yeah exactly exactly. So do you ever is it ever
a challenge in terms of you know, because you're using
your art to try to communicate things to people that
are not easy to communicate with words. Does that generally
is that pretty easy for you to express yourself that
way or do you ever run into challenges with that
where maybe you create art that is not that you
feel is not adequately portraying what it is that you're
trying to get across.
Speaker 8: When I do pretty pictures, yeah, I can create the
most beautiful, pretty flowers and everything like that and like
how I'm feeling in that moment, but you look at
it and it's it To me personally, it just feels generic.
And my art sometimes gets a little darkish, I guess,
And it's not for everybody, but the ones that do
understand it and can feel it, there's there's like a
group for that. But I can create art for all
types of groups, sure, I just and I also try
to fit it into what I'm doing. Like New Hampshire
Underground Terminus they did the punk rock Masquerade and I
was like, oh my gosh, I have to do this,
So I created masks in case people didn't bring their own,
they could purchase some. And I don't sell any of
my art for expensive prices because I feel I want
my art to go out and it create, it just
builds something in me to create more when somebody wants
to buy my art. And so I created like a
couple of them, and then I did a couple more,
and then I ended up like fifty of them and
I have five left.
Speaker 9: So it was like amazing.
Speaker 8: And then I went on to the next show she
did and I created what was it like zombie boxes?
Will you survivor will you die? Like pick your fate?
And I had things inside them, so.
Speaker 9: Like I loved.
Speaker 8: Just creating things for things and it just I don't know,
my brain just starts like firing off and I can't stop.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, I'm always amazed at you know, Jenny, she
makes an incredible painting, you know, and it's uh and
you know, my brain is not Like I have no
in terms of visual art. I have no artistic ability whatsoever.
You know, Like if you asked me to draw a person,
I could draw you a stick figure. That's a best set.
I'm very comfortable with acknowledging my lack of ability in
that area, you know. I mean I'm artistic in other ways,
like I'm a musician, I can create music and whatnot,
but I can't create any kind of visual art at all.
I hate it so much. So I was aware of
this from a very young age. When I was a kid,
I hated art class. I went to Saint John's Regional
and Conquered from grade two to grade eight, and these
art teachers would come in like once a week or
once every other week. It seemed like it wasn't very consistent,
but and I would feel like, like me and probably
a couple of the other kids in the class to
have about thirty kids, but I really felt this. I
felt like they were trying to force me to be
artistic in a way that was not possible. I even
have a very specific memory of this. We're painting. We're
using watercolors or something to paint this stuff, and I
remember just sitting there at one point I remember this.
This memory sticks with me. I was in grade school.
I don't remember what grade, but I'm sitting there trying
to paint this picture. And at a certain point, I'm
just painting the same tree over and over. I'm just
going over and over because I'm trying to look busy
at that point, because I got to look like I'm
doing something and then the art teacher actually comes over
and says to me, Matt, you're just painting the same
tree over and over. And I'm like, oh, that didn't work,
you know what I mean. But I but I recognize
that in myself pretty young, I have no ability that
in that zone. So I always marvel at people who do, because,
you know, I look at Jenny's paintings, it's like, how
did you do that? Like, because my brain can't, you
know what I mean. Or Jenny makes this incredible macroma
and I'm like, my brain can't do the math because
it's geometry.
Speaker 8: I've tried macromay and I can do plant hangers. Yeah,
but what she does there's like it's too much counting
and it's wild.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've tried it. It's fun.
Speaker 8: It's kind of you know, just sit there, nothing to
do and you can create something.
Speaker 7: But yeah, yeah, and she'll and she'll tell you she's
not good at math, but clearly, on a subconscious level,
she's very good at geometry because you have to be
to do that, and she does it. It looks almost
effortless that when she does it, she'll she'll make stuff.
During the show, she'll be she's not here today because
she's got an event, but you know, she'll be sitting
over there just making stuff. And then at the end
of the show she says, Oh, look what I made.
It's like, how it's incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I actually I failed art class, did you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like the in grade school, I got a's in it,
and then towards high school, junior high, high school, I
started failing. And it was because they were like they,
like you said they want. They were like forcing you
to do certain things. Yeah, and then I would do
it and They're like, you didn't do it this way.
I'm like, I'm not that artist. I can't do that right,
Like I put the effort in. I did what I
could do. Or they're like there's too much. I'm like,
I don't I want all that there? Right, they're not
enough there. I'm like I don't want anything there, and
they would get frustrated with me, and I was just
I didn't care. I'm like, I'm going to create art, yeah,
and that's what I do. I tried playing the clarinet
in sixth grade. My mom told me to stick with
the pencils.
Speaker 9: I was my family's musically inclined.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 8: My uncle played in a band when I was ten,
so like early nineties.
Speaker 9: It was the Wounded Hearts. He was the drummer.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 9: He was actually the first band I ever did art for.
Speaker 7: Oh no kidding.
Speaker 9: He asked me to.
Speaker 8: Create something for their band T shirt or something like that,
and it was a handrew. I drew a hand holding
an atomic heart and it was leading and they didn't,
I guess go on or something happened. I'm not really sure.
I was sure I was ten, and then I've forgotten
about it for all these years. And then the next
one I started doing art or was six months combined,
and from there I've done Temple Mountain, I did photography
for Esse Jesse Rustin.
Speaker 7: And Jesse was here last week.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then I did the album cover for Lacey
who am I? Yes, yes, yeah, I'm hoping to continue
to do more like that for other bands, especially the
newer bands, like I want them not to use AI,
like please, you guys don't use AI to find the
artists like myself, And there's so many of us out
there that are like, I got nothing to do and
I don't charge, Like I said, I don't charge a lot, especially.
Speaker 9: For new bands.
Speaker 7: Sure, sure, because all.
Speaker 9: Of us are starting out. So who the heck has
all that money?
Speaker 7: Right? Right? If you're just joining us a crafty k
is that the right thing? And your Facebook handle my
art by KF, my art by KF. I have a
mental block one.
Speaker 8: Well it's my first and it's my initials. Okay, So
everything I do in my art instead of writing KF,
I do a heart with a K on it.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 9: That way it kind of combines everything together.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, and KF chaotic photography right, Yes, so you
spelled photography with an F. So for people looking for
you online, where's the best way for people to find
you online?
Speaker 9: I use Facebook more than I do Instagram.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 8: Instagram only allows you to post so many pictures at
a time, but Facebook I can load one hundred and
something on there.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned AI. This is another subject
that comes up all the time on the show, whether
it's whether it's about visual art or certainly about music.
I'm really curious to explore that subject with you a
little bit. I mean I mean what, like, like, what
is what is it that you tell? So what do
you tell? What do you tell musicians who you work
with when you're when you're having that conversation with them, Uh, like, like,
what what's kind of your pitch to say? Please don't
use AI. I know it's tempting, but please don't do it.
And here's why, Like what do you say AI?
Speaker 8: You can put in the words and you can describe
what you want. AI will pop something up. Who's to
say that's not going to be used for somebody else's description.
It could be just a little bit of a different color.
It could be used a little bit of different that.
And yes, same thing with artists, but you don't have
that freedom and openness of can we change.
Speaker 9: This a little bit? Can we change that a little bit?
Speaker 8: Can we tweak this? Can we tweak that? Can we
add in this? Can we take this out?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Because you're trying to get a computer to understan stand what.
Speaker 9: You want and that doesn't always happen.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So then you're just like, you know whatever, we're
just going to go with it and you're not totally
happy with it.
Speaker 9: But with me, I can.
Speaker 8: Take I can take an eraser out and just yep,
I'll take that right out right, I'll move this and
we can choose the colors you want. We can choose
the form like painting, pencil, pen photography. You have more
options than you do with AI. I mean AI is
great to use for some things, sure, but not for everything.
Speaker 7: Right right, yeah, I mean my own experience with it,
I can tell you it's hard to get it to
understand sometimes exactly what it is that you're looking for.
It is great for some things, but when it comes
to graphics, when it comes to images, actually, my first
time trying to make any kind of an image. We
had done we had done a segment on the show
about I don't know if you follow it. There hasn't
been any new news on it, but the Daryl Hall
versus John Oates lawsuit, that whole legal drama. We had
done a segment on the show about it, and I
tried to get Dolly three to create I needed a
YouTube thumbnail and I wanted an image of Daryl Hall
and John Oates in a boxing ring and there and
they're boxing. I thought that would be funny. And this
was my first time trying to create a graphic using AI,
and it actually wouldn't do it. And I guess it's
got a rule about putting celebrities and violent situations or
that was because it actually told me why it couldn't
do it.
Speaker 9: And see me, I don't have I don't have any restrictions.
Speaker 7: Right exactly exactly. Yeah, what ended up happening was so
I couldn't do the boxing thing, and I kept working
with it and trying to get it to compromise with me.
So what I finally came up with was it it
created and I didn't even ask it to do this. Interestingly,
it didn't offer to give this to me specifically, but
it offered me an alternative. But I went ahead and
created the alternative it was offering me, which was Daryl
Hall and John Oh, it's playing chess. And then it
said you know, because it said I can't give you
the boxing, but I can give you this, and it
just created it because like, oh that's interesting. And then
I asked it, can you put angry faces on them?
Make them look angry? That was willing to do, and
so that's what it came out with. They're they're at
a chess board and they look mad at each other.
Speaker 8: It's a peaceful competitive sport, right, right.
Speaker 7: So it was willing to do the angry faces and
it kind of looks like them, it doesn't exactly look
like them.
Speaker 8: But yeah, well like and my other thing, like I
said earlier, is you give me one you can have
that one idea, and my brain will just start popping
things and I'm.
Speaker 9: Like, well, what if you did? What if this? What
if that?
Speaker 8: Or what do you think about this? And he starts
getting other people's brains going in there. Sure like oh,
and then they start getting a bunch of ideas. Yeah,
it happens all the time in my little circle.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So you've done a lot
of work with six minds combined, right, Yes, that's because
we were talking off air about you know, what should
we play for music? Coming into the segment. That's my
favorite song of his. I love Yeah, I love that.
The we had we had Rick on the show. It's
probably more than a year ago. Now it all becomes
a blur. But I remember telling him too, I said
that that song, that's one of those songs that after
I heard it, I would wake up with it playing
in my brain because I always, like a lot of us,
you know, when I wake up in the morning, there's
always a song playing in my mind, and uh, you know,
I have that little wake up playlist and that was
that was the first one I would hear for a
long time. I would just wake up in the morning
and here, uh, you know that you got this.
Speaker 8: It gets stuck in my head when somebody says they
can't do something. Yeah, And then all of a sudden,
I started singing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so you've You've done a lot of work.
Speaker 8: With him, right, Yes, I've known him since I was
fourteen fifteen, Yeah, and he started becoming six minds combined, and.
Speaker 9: He asked to create.
Speaker 8: Like I've created a few things. I created his album
cover for him. Okay, the front and the back Okay,
the back of it is just his mind exploding with
all the all the songs, okay, and the front was
his idea, and I took what he gave me for
what his image was, and I put it into a painting.
I've done his new logo, which is going to be
coming out, and I'm not sure if I was supposed
to tell anybody that I love you.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: A little teaser there, that's good.
Speaker 9: There's a movie.
Speaker 7: Do we know when? Do we have an ETA on
the new logo? My drop?
Speaker 8: I'm not sure yet I do know he's got some
new merchandise coming out. He also will be having a
new video or champion that I'm working I'm helping work
on excellent and it's gonna be something me and him
I had, like we always talked about making a comic
book together. Really yes, and it kind of goes along
those lines a little bit. I helped him with running
through a mansion. I helped video film it. That's not
the right word, but me and Eleanor we both did that.
They put it together. I had this after hearing that song.
It was like again just sparks flying in my head
and you know what, and then we we should do
this in the mansion. And then when we went to
the mansion, we were not allowed to videotape. We even
got like followed to like like towards again like on
the grounds. There was like some security guy walking behind us.
Speaker 7: Well, so so I'm really curious about this. So what
So you went to a mansion, did you like? Where?
Like what mansion?
Speaker 9: The Breaker House?
Speaker 7: Where's that rd Island?
Speaker 8: Okay, So we went down there and that place was huge.
I would not want to ever have to clean it.
Speaker 7: So you went there with the intention so is that
it's hard to get something open to the public.
Speaker 8: Yes, I mean you you pay a fee to visit it. Okay,
you could take photography, but you couldn't videotape anything use
it for like social media things like that.
Speaker 7: Did you did you know that going in or like not.
Speaker 9: Until we got there?
Speaker 8: Okay, but we did like get some good shots like
small little here and there.
Speaker 7: So how did you How did you do it? Like
did you have to do it kind of covertly or
how did how does that work? Yeah?
Speaker 9: I mean there were some things that I was like, dude,
do it now?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, But so that idea kind of went just like that.
I was like, you know what, everybody's mansion is their home.
Speaker 9: It's there.
Speaker 8: It's so I was like, how about we do it
in a house. Like a person's mansion is their home.
It doesn't have to be an actual mansion, right right,
Like their mansion is their home where they live. And
it it ended up working out, which was amazing.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, oh interesting. What now what did you end
up doing with the stuff that you took in the
actual mansion in Rhode Island? Anything?
Speaker 8: There's some clips of it in the in the video
what we could use. That wasn't so much like showing
anything interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but it was.
Speaker 9: It was fun.
Speaker 8: Yeah, try to be sneaky into it, like we were
breaking the law.
Speaker 7: Right right, Hey, it's all rock and roll, right do
you so?
Speaker 9: Do you do a lot of album covers or I?
Speaker 8: After I did six Months Combined, Temple Mountain reached out
to me and I.
Speaker 7: Did, Yeah, I love Eric. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I did his album cover for Lonely.
Speaker 8: He sent me a clip of it and immediately I
was like, I got this and it's the picture of
a guy sitting on a bench with a woman's face
up in kind of like the clouds, and he's just
sitting there like kind of just defeated, sad, you know, Lonely.
And then after that, Jesse Rustin asked me to do
some work for him and he wanted photography, so we
went to his studio and did photography there. And then
after that was who Am I and Thrax So I
did their album cover for Hot Wax and.
Speaker 9: She gave me the color scheme.
Speaker 8: And I was sitting there and I was trying to
think of things to do, and I took an image
of Racks on the drums and Lacy on the keyboard
and then her why had done a record, So I
took the record and then I made it look like
it was melting wax coming down and creating them. Yeah,
it's cool created them and it's amazing to see that
painting and the color of lights that Placy does. It
changes the colors on the painting.
Speaker 9: It's so trippy. It's awesome.
Speaker 7: That must be exciting too, to have anup when you
have an opportunity to work with somebody who is very visual,
you know obviously what what who I am and thracks
what they're doing. It's very visual, right, So to be
able to that must be that just must be fun it.
Speaker 8: I love it like I love music, I love art.
Speaker 9: I I do like people.
Speaker 8: Not all people, sure, the world the way the world is,
but it's I love the open creativity, the the compassion,
the encouragement. Like nobody's trying to compete with each other,
and when there's people trying to compete with me, I'm
like why, I'm like, you do what you do.
Speaker 9: I'm going to do what I do.
Speaker 8: Like I don't call myself anything other than an artist,
and if I see something I want to do, I'm
going to try to do it. And I did that
even in all my jobs. I delivered pizza, I worked
at daycares, I sold luggage, I worked for a sewer company. Yeah,
I like, and now I've been in pharmacy for twenty
two years. But it's because there's also a whole lot
of how does that work? What do you do there?
And it's the same thing with my art. I have
no idea how to paint. I have no idea what
I'm doing, but I wonder if this will work?
Speaker 9: How do I do this?
Speaker 8: And then it Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
And there are some canvases. Let me tell you, there
is a lot of layers of paint, lots of it
because if I don't like it, I just paint over
it and start to Yeah.
Speaker 7: And now, what do you mean about like like people
trying to compete with with you? Like what like is
it is it competitive in terms of you know, like
doing doing artwork for musicians? Is that No?
Speaker 8: I think competitive is like You're always going to have that.
Like it's just like a job you go in for
your interview, you get hired or you don't get hired.
That part's not the competitive part. It's when people start
talking bad about your art or about how you do
your art really or like oh, like they did that,
Like I don't like that. If you don't like it,
then just do what we've always been told is if
you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say anything
at all. Like I'm not going to know any different.
But when you start saying bad things about somebody's art
instead of encouraging them to do or do better, that
just brings that person down. They don't want to create
the art, and then they suppress.
Speaker 7: Is that is that like like other artists like criticizing
your process or something.
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't mind criticism whatsoever.
Speaker 7: Sure, constructive criticism is exactly fine.
Speaker 8: But when you're just like downing somebody because of what
they do or how they do it or what they
used to do it, or you know, anything like that,
it's just it does take. It takes a little bit
from you and it kind of like ouch, like what
did I do? And then at the same time, I'm
the type of person that's I've doubt narcissists, and I'm
like the best way to deal with somebody like that,
I'm gonna keep doing what I do with a smile
at my face and I'm just gonna do it better,
So like, bring it, but I'd rather not the negativity
of things like that around me.
Speaker 9: So like musicians playing and somebody's.
Speaker 8: Like, ugh, like you might not like it, but don't
tell them, right if you have some constructive criticism on it,
like hey, I didn't really like that because and then say.
Speaker 9: Why yeah, yeah, don't just like I don't like that, right.
Speaker 8: Well, it's like you just it's like watching the show
and you get all the way to the end and
then it's a cliffhanger.
Speaker 9: And you're like, wait, wait, what happened? What happened? And
then you never know.
Speaker 8: Right, it's the same way of going I don't like it,
Why tell me like it?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 8: Because I might create something you don't like, but tomorrow
might create something you love.
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, exactly exactly if you are just showing us
we have a crafty k from Chaotic Photography and my
art by KF that I get it right. Cool, I'm
glad I got it right. Sometimes I worry I'm suffering
from adult onset dyslexia. But no, and we're having a
great conversation today about art and about you know, working
with musicians. Is there anyone you've worked with who who
presented a unique challenge in terms of where it was
maybe difficult to find the right aesthetic for what they're doing,
maybe for their album cover or I mean, I don't
mean that in a bad way, you know, but but
just is there anyone you've worked with who it was
it was it took a little more to kind of
figure out where to go with it.
Speaker 9: I did have somebody come message me.
Speaker 8: About Creed about what they want for their album cover,
and I asked, they want like a certain like background,
seeing like an apocalypse kind of thing, and I was like, yeah,
I was like I can do that.
Speaker 9: Like what kind of medium do you want? They wanted
like a photography.
Speaker 8: That's more difficult because you're not going to get the
right colors, you're not going to get the right kind
of visual.
Speaker 9: And also talking.
Speaker 8: Through Texas so hard, oh yeah, because it's hard to understand,
like see their thought process, and I haven't.
Speaker 9: Like I did send a few things and it just
wasn't there. So he's just moved on, I believe, to
somebody else that might be able to do it, because.
Speaker 8: I wasn't able to. But I at least offered a
few things. It was almost like like I said, an interview.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well that can be hard to write if
somebody because somebody might have an idea, I might have
a vision in their mind, but they can't find the
right words to communicate it, you know.
Speaker 8: And that's what's my that's what I do with my art. Yeah,
I can't think of certain words, Yeah, the correct words
to say. I do it through my art and when
someone's trying to tell me something because they can see it,
but they can't get it into words, but they don't
have the ability to put it on canvas or paper either,
So like I can understand that being the most frustrating thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like uh, you know, like like me,
someone who has no visual artistic ability. If I, you know,
if I'm trying to communicate to somebody, like sometimes I
don't know the like I don't know the vocabulary of
you know, for what I'm trying to tell them that
I want, you know, just to see artistically. Yeah, that
can be that can be tricky. Now, how does it
work in terms of you coming to work with some
of these artists? Do they approach you? Do you approach them,
does it depend?
Speaker 8: So after I take after I take photos of them
when they're playing, I show them a few of them
that I have done, and I send that. I send
them the photos and the only thing I ask for
for those is photo credit.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I also offer if you need any artistic
guidance or any work done, anything like that, just reach
out to me and we can see what we can
work out.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So I don't push it, yeah, like either because I
don't like I don't like. I don't like those pushy
people like you know, I can do this. I can
do this like buy myself by my stuff right right,
Like I hate selling my own stuff. I am not
good at it whatsoever.
Speaker 7: Well, the interesting thing, though, is for what you do,
you kind of you really have an advantage in that
you can you can show them what what you can
do right up front, right like if you're if you're
taking pictures, and you can show them, look, these are
some photos I took of your live performance or whatever
it was. You know, then they see they can see
right off, right off the bat that you're legit. You
obviously know what you're doing because you take great pictures.
Speaker 8: And I have my art hanging up in the hallway exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yes, New Hampshire Underground and Terminus has been like it's
They've been a blessing. Eleanor has helped me in so
many ways this past year and it's.
Speaker 9: Only been a year. Yeah, I feel like I've known.
Speaker 7: Her for ever really, Yeah.
Speaker 8: And she's helped me more ways than she can imagine.
Like she's always like, what do you Because I don't
care about status, I don't I don't care about any
of that, and she's like, what do you? I'm like,
you what you're doing for me? And they let me
put so much art up and all over there and
I love it and I appreciate it so much because
of my creativity. I'm like, oh, there's blank space.
Speaker 9: On that wall.
Speaker 7: No, that's that's amazing. When you're taking pictures of like
say you're taking pictures of someone performing live, is there
is there kind of a method to that, I mean,
or are you just like, oh this this would make
a good shot, I'm going to take this picture, or
I mean, do you have a strategy for that or
do you just kind of do it instinctively or I just.
Speaker 8: Do it instinctively, like kind of like candid. Yeah, they
I tell them. I tell them all, don't look at me.
I'm not there, like I do, cross that green line,
step on me, step over me, just keep playing. Sure,
I'm going to get the shot, but you need to
continue to play right. And I do apologize to people
out there that when I'm in their shot, because I'm
sure there's like some shots that people like. I like
getting back to where the drummer is and getting photos
of the crowd because the crowd doesn't get to see
what the band sees, right, And then I'm taking pictures
of the band of what the crowd sees that the
band doesn't get to see.
Speaker 7: I love those personal like, I love those kind of pictures. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I like seeing both sides, and sometimes like seeing the crowd.
I like to show them because sometimes they're just like
standing there sure and I'm like, hey, it's just some
other thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 8: It just shows how many people like you get to
see both sides.
Speaker 9: So it's both sides of the story.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's a great way of putting it.
When you when you tell somebody, hey, I need a
candid shot, don't don't look at me, just do what
you're doing. Do some people struggle with that? Yes, I
expected yeah.
Speaker 8: They do, because like they'll look at me and smile.
But six Minds Combined is the only one that I
have allowed to We have a he's going to pause
and I got to get the shot because he moves
so much. Okay, yeah, and sometimes like his I'll go
to get that great shot in his hand, or he
moves his face and he I'm like, so we have
like these like make eye contact and he kind of
pauses just like his movement so I can get the shot.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 9: Because I'm like, dude, I'm like, I've raised so many photos.
Speaker 7: But it's cool that you have that understanding with him
and he gets it obviously, and he's able to accommodate
that and you're able to work together that way. That's uh,
that's great. Oh, I want to make sure we don't
forget this. You showed me something off air, a book,
and we do have for those For those watching online,
you'll be able to see this because she's holding it
up and if you're if you're just listening, you know,
radio is theater of the mind. You'll have to imagine this.
But but this is really cool. Okay, So tell us
what you've got in your hand there.
Speaker 9: So this was a book.
Speaker 8: It's called Kaw c Aw by Clay hurt Bus. I
am really sorry Clay if I just butchered. So back
in the early two thousands, we worked together and he
was writing a book and he's written several and he
asked me if I would do some artwork for him,
and I was like yeah. I was like that would
be awesome, and he's gonna publish it and everything, and
he had some medical issues and I'm not sure what
happened in between all the time that I've seen him
to the time we published it, because he had moved, okay,
and I finally we finally contacted each other again through
Facebook just recently, and and he published the book last
last year in twenty twenty four. In the book, because
he didn't know my last name, he didn't put my
name in there as an illustrator. But when you look
up online about the book, it says my name as
the illustrator. But when he had found me on Facebook,
my name was my name and my daughter's name. Okay,
so the illustration name is Keagan Lily. Oh, so I
think that is going forward might be my new illustration name.
Speaker 7: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 8: But the book is in English and every single language
you can think of on Facebook. Wow, it's Chinese. This
one's English and Chinese and it's double sided.
Speaker 3: But my.
Speaker 8: Art at it's old art from before it kind of
got a little more talented. But it's it's amazing that
he saved him. Yeah, and like my art is international
wild and just seeing it in a book, I was like,
I've always wanted to be an illustrator of children's books
and stuff like that, but it was it's really.
Speaker 9: An awesome feeling to that's crazy.
Speaker 8: Everything that I have wanted and everything I'm working for
actually getting there. And I got to thank Eddie for
a lot of it, because if he didn't push me
to open my Facebook, like he just supports me a lot,
especially with my photography, Like we'll be at the show
together and then all of a sudden running off to
take photos and he sits there and watches me paint
for hours, create whatever I'm creating it, but he he
supports me, doesn't try to be like you're painting.
Speaker 7: Again, right right?
Speaker 8: And I have gotten paint on like so many things,
even our own even our own comforter and really I
paint like I paint on me now.
Speaker 9: But he supports me in it, and I love him that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no, it's so important
to have a creative partner for for people watching on video.
Why don't you hold that up one more time? Yeah,
so people can see it? And then and where can
people get that book?
Speaker 9: Facebook? I mean not Facebook, Amazon.
Speaker 7: Amazon, a w And did he did he inscribe that
for you too? Did he write something inside of it?
Speaker 8: Because I saw he said, Keagan, thanks for the beautiful artwork.
Speaker 7: Very nice. That is so cool and so that was
a surprise right when that came out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because he said I published the book, and I
was like, no way, And so I looked it up
and he sent them. I bought one prior to him
sending it to me. My mom's like I want that,
Like you can have it. He's sending me one, and
he sent me two of.
Speaker 9: Them, hardcover. In the soft cover yeah.
Speaker 8: The other one's English and Swedish kidding, and he wrote
in both of them. But it was amazing and it's
so weird to see my artwork in there because I
remember doing it and just the style of it.
Speaker 9: I'm like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 7: Totally that's extremely cool. So what's kind of your your
long term trajectory do you think or do you know,
like do you want to do you wanna do you
have like a focus like like is it is it
doing artwork for for album covers? Is it photography? Is it?
Speaker 9: Do you know just doing art?
Speaker 7: Ye? See where it.
Speaker 9: I don't want it to be a job. I love
doing art.
Speaker 8: I don't want it to become a job because really,
if you think about it, if that's where you're gonna go.
Speaker 9: I gotta go do this. I gotta go do this.
Speaker 8: Like you don't want to do it because you have to. Yeah,
I want I do it because I want to do
it because I have that freedom of it's my like,
it's my getaway, my break, it's.
Speaker 9: My Higgins world.
Speaker 8: But it's the minute it becomes a job, I'm like,
I'm not interested anymore and I want to just be
able to do it or don't do it right. And
I mean I loved I love doing it, So don't
get me wrong. I'm not going to be like I
don't want to do that. But if there is something
that I'm just I'm just not in the mood for it,
or I don't have the time. I want to be
able to say I'm sorry, I don't have the time
to do this. And then but I know other artists
because I met some amazing artists.
Speaker 7: Oh I can imagine.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Lily's amazing, and I've met Chelsea, she's an amazing photographer.
And there's so many options, especially meeting all through New
Hampshire Underground. They have Andrea and Eleanor has brought so
many of us together, Like I finally found like a
group I can relate to and belong to and like
feel comfortable and not like at one of those fancy,
like little cliche art galleryes.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and everyone's kind of like snubbing you. And because
I mean obviously I don't dress like I belong in there.
I paint on my own pants.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Jenny had her art hanging there at one point,
which was really cool. And and actually, you know I
mentioned earlier we had Jesse Rutstein along with Caleb Die
Caleb Dyer here on the show last week, and we
met Jesse at Terminus during the open house.
Speaker 9: Yes, he actually just played last weekend.
Speaker 7: Oh right, right, yeah, after Yeah, after the it was
the same same weekend as the interview. Yeah yeah, so yeah, No,
they've done They've done a wonderful job there, And you're
right bringing people together absolutely absolutely so. Now if somebody,
you know, because a lot of musicians listen to the show,
a lot of industry people, if somebody wants to work
with you, like, what's the best way for them to
reach out to you?
Speaker 8: This message me on Facebook? Yeah, like through Facebook Messenger. Yeah,
I'm really horrible about my email, which I try not
to be. But my email addresses on my business cards.
But it also has my Instagram and my Facebook on there.
Speaker 7: Okay, and how do they find you on Facebook?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 9: But my art by kf All one word okay.
Speaker 8: And then it's got a picture of a pink and
black lily, which I put that on my business card.
Speaker 7: For my daughter. Oh okay.
Speaker 8: It's a show her that it doesn't matter when you start,
you can do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 9: You can create things.
Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I think that's really cool.
Speaker 8: Even she's benefited. Her first concert was Green Jello, Yes.
Speaker 7: Jelly at at Terminus. Yes.
Speaker 8: She passed kindergarten screening and she got to go through
a pool.
Speaker 7: Nice. Yeah, that was quite a night. Yeah, that all
happened because Green Jelly or Jello, I never know which
to call him. Uh they had been on the show
and then uh Bill was talking to Jenny about you know,
where can we play in New Hampshire when we come
back through And then Jenny connected with Eleanor and worked
on that and getting that all booked and that was
a lot of fun. Although they when they were on
the show that day, so it's probably one of my
most favorite interviews ever, but also the most nerve wracking.
I think I hit the dump button because we're on
an eight second delay in case anything, you know. I
think I hit the dump button five times during during that,
and the whole time I'm just sit here like, don't
get me fired, don't get me fired.
Speaker 8: I'm being surprised by my own self because the F
bomb is like I'm Irish. Yeah, it's the word like
ye in Ireland. Yeah, so it's natural, and I'm like,
don't swear.
Speaker 7: No, You've You've done great well. The thing is, though,
that the trick is to not not worry about and
overthink it because so many people they come on the
show and they're like, oh, I hope. I don't swear. Oh,
but I don't swear. And it's the people who worry
about it, you know, they worry about it and then
then it ends up being fine. But like I tell everybody,
we're on an eight second delay, so if the worst happens,
I can catch it. But uh, but no, I think.
I think when when those guys were on the show,
I think I hit the dump button five times total.
And it wasn't all swears. A couple you know, there
might have been a drug reference. I was uncomfortable with,
you know, just anything it went in doubt, I reached
for the dump.
Speaker 8: Slim had a really big effect on Lily, like she
wanted she had a Yuku Leley but like she wanted
to be a rock jammer.
Speaker 7: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 8: She would have me take it. She had me take
a video and then send it to her. Yeah, And
it was It's cute because Slim ended up sending her
a video thing like happy Birthday to her.
Speaker 9: It was like.
Speaker 8: Really great, Like it's just showing that these other artists
inspire other people. Yes, doesn't matter what age group. Yeah,
and Slim was afraid, like she would scare Lily at
the show. Oh no kidding, And because Lily was kind
of like, oh, what are you wearing? Yeah, and that
was her biggest thing. Oh wow, wasn't afraid of her,
but she's like, uh, what are you wearing? And then
after that she's like, I want to be like her,
I want to be a rock star.
Speaker 9: I was like, all right, go for it, kid.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, Oh that's cool, that's very cool.
Speaker 8: Now she's on to now she wants to be a
Samurais or whatever thing.
Speaker 7: Okay, fair enough, well, Kegan crafty k, thank you so much.
This has been wonderful.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 7: We'll definitely do it again in the future. And uh,
I think we should probably close out with who I
Am track from Hot Wax. I was thinking maybe glow
to end the segment, and thank you everyone who joined
us to doaw on the show. Of course, Jamie Higgs
in the second hour and in the first hour we
had three times seven both via WhatsApp all the way
from the UK. And if you missed any part of
today's show, it will be up in just a little
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Connorton dot com. Jenny is not here today, but she
is at an event or on her way to an event,
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doing a lot of great activism. I'm so proud of her.
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on your social media because at some point Eric Pilcher
and I are going to do a live stream of
Tough Bumps, probably tonight's night one of SummerSlam. So we'll
probably go live after that and talk about what we
saw on what happened and all that good stuff, and
we might do another one tomorrow. We'll see. So there's
a lot going on, and so please just just keep
an eye on the socials and you'll be able to
see it all. Let's see, so I think, yeah, so
we'll end with this, We'll end with glow. This is
from who I Am and Trax and their new release
called Hot Wax and Crafty K. Thank you again, thank you,
and oh and if you miss any part of today's
so it'll be up in just a little bit at
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