Speaker 1: This is WWE superstar Drew McIntyre and you're listening to
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Speaker 2: Well, WrestleMania forty one night one is now over. I
Speaker 2: was going to record last night, but I want to
Speaker 2: be in tip top shape before I get on here,
Speaker 2: because I was tired, like many of us after a
Speaker 2: four hour plus event. It's basically like watching two and
Speaker 2: a half movies straight. And I thought, you know, at
Speaker 2: the time when WrestleMania concluded that it was an underwhelming event,
Speaker 2: I had come to the conclusion, that's after eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: easting time, that not only was I tired, but also
Speaker 2: this was an event that was really, really underwhelming. I
Speaker 2: even went to the point where I figured, hey, this
Speaker 2: is a good case for why WrestleMania should be one night,
Speaker 2: not two, and we know that won't happen. This was
Speaker 2: certainly and this is certainly a format that they are
Speaker 2: not going to get rid of. The two night format
Speaker 2: is here to stay, and in fact they're expanding it
Speaker 2: as we see with SummerSlam. This year, but the two
Speaker 2: night event, and it was full of celebrities and advertising,
Speaker 2: advertising all over the mat, the sacred space of the mat,
Speaker 2: which I still just can't stand. I understand they're in
Speaker 2: the business of making money, but every time you look
Speaker 2: at the mat, every time you look at your screen,
Speaker 2: you can't look at anything at all in the product
Speaker 2: and not see some kind of sponsor. And it does
Speaker 2: take away a little bit from the event because it's
Speaker 2: constantly in your face all the time. It's not so
Speaker 2: focused on in ring. It's the prime or it's whoever's
Speaker 2: you know, spent thousands and thousands of dollars to get
Speaker 2: their logo on the mat of a WrestleMania. It's all
Speaker 2: over the place. And I'm not a fan, but I
Speaker 2: understand it from a business perspective. However, this event, after
Speaker 2: sleeping on it, I've appreciated it and do appreciate it
Speaker 2: a little bit more than I did when I went
Speaker 2: to bed. And that's not to say I thought it
Speaker 2: was a great night one. In fact, I still think
Speaker 2: it was average. It was okay. Now, that's not to
Speaker 2: say the main event wasn't spectacular. That's not to say
Speaker 2: that we're in a match or two in between that
Speaker 2: between the start and the show and the main event
Speaker 2: that weren't really good. In fact, I, unlike a lot
Speaker 2: of others, really liked the Tiffany Stratton Charlotte match. Many
Speaker 2: of many of you guys, including prominent reviewers and streamers,
Speaker 2: really didn't like it. Thought it was clunky and it
Speaker 2: was guard I to be honest with you, charl I
Speaker 2: thought Charlotte over delivered. I was concerned about her motivations
Speaker 2: going into this that she did seem just very underwhelmed
Speaker 2: and just bothered by Tiffany, And so honestly, that match
Speaker 2: over delivered from my perspective. The United States Championship match
Speaker 2: Jacob Fat two and La Night, that one I think
Speaker 2: really brought the crowd back to life. It's the first
Speaker 2: match that I thought the crowd really you could hear
Speaker 2: the crowd. And I heard from some people that went
Speaker 2: to the event. They messaged me and they said, you know,
Speaker 2: because I had been concerned that is this just the
Speaker 2: quiet crowd? Is it the acoustics or is it that
Speaker 2: WWE hasn't given them anything to be excited about? And
Speaker 2: I had some people tell me, no, it's the acoustics
Speaker 2: of the building, and they've gone to NFL games there
Speaker 2: and it's kind of the same way. So while you
Speaker 2: have sixty thousand people yelling, screaming, it gets lost into
Speaker 2: the ether the way that the building is structured. And
Speaker 2: so that's what I've been told and I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with that. But the crowd did come alive and overcame
Speaker 2: the acoustic issue when d l A. Knight and Jacob
Speaker 2: Bot Too match happened, which I thought was very good,
Speaker 2: very good, and it felt more WrestleMania esque, because to
Speaker 2: be honest, for the first hour of the show, I
Speaker 2: felt like I wasn't watching WrestleMania. Didn't feel like WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: The bill to WrestleMania, as many of us have said,
Speaker 2: didn't feel like WrestleMania, and it felt very much just
Speaker 2: kind of like any other pl and for the first
Speaker 2: couple of matches, and we'll dive into it in a minute,
Speaker 2: it felt very much like even dare I say, a
Speaker 2: SmackDown or raw no big returns, no big swerves, and
Speaker 2: not every match needs to have it. But the stories
Speaker 2: going into them, we were okay. They didn't really feel
Speaker 2: like they were peaking at the right time. Although Jay
Speaker 2: and Gunther did do a nice job the last couple weeks.
Speaker 2: I think everybody knew the outcome, but the finish of
Speaker 2: Jay and Gunther, which we'll get into, was atrocious, an
Speaker 2: atrocious decision. Despite the fact that they are trying to
Speaker 2: get Jay over into a real legitimate champion, the crowd
Speaker 2: seemed to be behind him. I was a little bit
Speaker 2: skeptical that the crowd wasn't going to be that they
Speaker 2: decided to back Gunther and that that j was was
Speaker 2: going to have an issue with the crowd supporting him
Speaker 2: throughout the match, and that didn't seem to be the case.
Speaker 2: And I'm happy for Jay. We'll get into that, and
Speaker 2: we'll get into the tag team title match and the
Speaker 2: I mean that was that could have been a house
Speaker 2: show match, and it look Look, war Raiders and New Day,
Speaker 2: no disrespect to them, They're not exactly the hottest thing
Speaker 2: going on in w right now. And especially with the
Speaker 2: fact that there was no Big Eie, no Big Ee return,
Speaker 2: you know, it was very disappointing in that respect. Almost
Speaker 2: no reaction for the war Raiders and New Day. Yeah
Speaker 2: they're a heel team, but they have cooled off immensely
Speaker 2: since turning on Big E, which you thought, Okay, they're
Speaker 2: building to something here and it'll blow off at WrestleMania,
Speaker 2: and WrestleMania came and went and no Big Ee. So
Speaker 2: Big Ee apparently was just being used as a pawn
Speaker 2: to get them over, with no actual payoff of Big
Speaker 2: Eie getting involved or screwing them over in any way.
Speaker 2: Even if Biggie. Here's the thing, even if Big e
Speaker 2: was not medically cleared to compete, he could have still
Speaker 2: screwed them over in a non wrestling role. He didn't
Speaker 2: have to do anything physical to screw them over. Just
Speaker 2: come out and distract them, stand on the apron, act
Speaker 2: like you might do something and then don't and just
Speaker 2: cause a distraction. War radios retain. Now Biggie still maybe
Speaker 2: slotted for down the line, but it was very disappointing
Speaker 2: for him not to appear use many. If he was
Speaker 2: cleared in any capacity, WrestleMania is the spot to do it,
Speaker 2: have a come out and just lay waste to them,
Speaker 2: But he didn't, and that was to me, the one
Speaker 2: thing that would have saved this segment from being otherwise
Speaker 2: looked at as kind of any other part of any
Speaker 2: other show. This was not a very interesting match. It
Speaker 2: was all to me. It was all about Biggie. Despite
Speaker 2: the fact that the title changed hands. The titles changed
Speaker 2: to the New Day, which is about as interesting as
Speaker 2: you know, a cloudy day. I mean, I'm sorry. So
Speaker 2: let's get into it though as we get on. But
Speaker 2: oh wait, first, I want to thank you everybody. I
Speaker 2: did pop in the discord Chat a little bit at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show, and many people thought I
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Speaker 2: a little bit more of that tonight. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'll do doing a live show. I say I'll
Speaker 2: do it, and then I get to eleven o'clock and
Speaker 2: I don't want to be fogheaded going into the show,
Speaker 2: so I might be doing it on Monday, but the way,
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Speaker 2: WW podcast. I'm right there, all right, Jay Uso and Gunther. Now,
Speaker 2: we had, yes, jelly Roll, who was apparently just required
Speaker 2: by law to be at every WW event. I don't
Speaker 2: know why they have an obsession with jelly Roll. I'm
Speaker 2: not quite getting it, but fine, he's there and the
Speaker 2: event starts. So this match was pretty much what you'd
Speaker 2: expect it to be. Kickouts of finishes. I think there
Speaker 2: were three or four finisher kickouts in that match. Hard work.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not never a referendum under their efforts.
Speaker 2: This is almost never a referendum on anybody's efforts. How
Speaker 2: often do you come in here and have me say
Speaker 2: even though the match sucked, or that the match was underwhelming,
Speaker 2: that it was a lack of effort. Sometimes it just
Speaker 2: isn't there that night. But this match was fine. I
Speaker 2: don't think it was even their best of their series
Speaker 2: of matches. Now, Gunther went in three to zero against Jay,
Speaker 2: but I don't think this was their best match that
Speaker 2: they have ever had. Certainly not. I think their previous
Speaker 2: one was actually better, and that was on raw, I believe,
Speaker 2: despite the fact there's kickouts of finishes and now you
Speaker 2: have both men using each other's finishes, which again is fine.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect that to happen. Gunther did not really
Speaker 2: look as dominant as I'd hoped he would. This was
Speaker 2: all about Jay. We knew where this was going. Most
Speaker 2: of us did predict Jaya win, and he did. And
Speaker 2: that's not really the problem here. As many of us
Speaker 2: have pointed out, Jay winning right now has about I
Speaker 2: think thirty something thousand dislikes as of this recording for
Speaker 2: WWE's clip that they put about Jay winning, and so
Speaker 2: a lot of dislikes, a lot of dislikes for this
Speaker 2: this win here, I think a lot of that win though.
Speaker 2: Those dislikes though, are not because Jay one, but how
Speaker 2: he won, which was just just a it was just
Speaker 2: bad the normal way they put it. Why would you
Speaker 2: have a guy like Gunther who comes in. His whole
Speaker 2: deal is he's all business, he's dominant, he doesn't cheat
Speaker 2: to win, but he's unlikable, so people hate him and
Speaker 2: he loses like that. He loses with a sleeperhold. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was Gunther's move that he turned on him. Fine,
Speaker 2: but not only did Gunther tap out, but he tapped
Speaker 2: out faster than Vince McMahon against Brett Hard at wrestleming
Speaker 2: A twenty two. If you remember that Brett Hart put
Speaker 2: the sharpshooter. I mean, before Brett even fully applied the
Speaker 2: sharp shooter, Vince McMahon was tapping out. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was that quick, And why would you have gun Through
Speaker 2: do that. Maybe it could have been and I've heard
Speaker 2: people say and I missed it apparently the referee telling
Speaker 2: Gunther tap tap, tapped or h Yeah, there was something
Speaker 2: about the referee telling Gunther to tap right now. Maybe
Speaker 2: it was a time issue, maybe it was maybe it
Speaker 2: was a hey, we got to grap this up, but
Speaker 2: you couldn't have waited an extra twenty seconds. Maybe have
Speaker 2: Gunther pass out and win the match that way, that
Speaker 2: would know, that would have been a little bit more acceptable.
Speaker 2: But for Gunther, this is the if I was to
Speaker 2: find a way and someone said, hey, you need to
Speaker 2: find a way to damage a character by the end
Speaker 2: of this match, you need to find a way to
Speaker 2: damage Gunther. This is the perfect way to do it.
Speaker 2: This is how you do it is by having him
Speaker 2: tap and tap quickly to a sleep for hold. What
Speaker 2: So I really didn't like. While we all kind of
Speaker 2: knew the outcome and accepted it, and most people don't
Speaker 2: hate it, I think per se that Jay's champion, they
Speaker 2: hate the way that he won it. And let's be honest,
Speaker 2: if they had taken even just half of jay USO's
Speaker 2: entrance and put it at the end of the match,
Speaker 2: you would have had, I think a little bit more
Speaker 2: of an acceptable finish or Gunther fine, okay, even if
Speaker 2: he taps out, which I still would never do. You
Speaker 2: have him fight through it a little bit, and instead
Speaker 2: he taps, you know, but in seconds. So that was
Speaker 2: a bad finish to a match that was fine and
Speaker 2: to a program that was fine overall. Still feeling kind
Speaker 2: of sour about this program as a whole now that
Speaker 2: it's wrapped up. And I'm sure Gunther may get his rematch,
Speaker 2: but he's not going to win because how often does
Speaker 2: a major title change hands at WrestleMania only to have
Speaker 2: that person drop it at WrestleMania. Almost never, So we
Speaker 2: can pencil that match in as a rematch, but we
Speaker 2: all know I think the outcome before it happens. And
Speaker 2: to speak on Jay USO's entrance, what are they thinking?
Speaker 2: Was Jay Uso in the bathroom? I mean, where was Jay?
Speaker 2: Was he in the bathroom and he's getting like notifications
Speaker 2: on his phone. He's just sitting there. You know, he's
Speaker 2: scrolling through TikTok and you know he's getting texts from
Speaker 2: from uh Gorilla and they're like, hey, hey Jay, Jay
Speaker 2: You're you're up. You're up, bro? You know he's is he?
Speaker 2: Is he in the bathroom on the other side of
Speaker 2: the stadium. What happened? And then he takes forever to
Speaker 2: walk down. I understand it's a long every everybody's entrance
Speaker 2: is going to be expanded by like four x because
Speaker 2: of how long they have to walk from the stage
Speaker 2: to the ring. There was no need for Jay's entrance
Speaker 2: to be that long. It's sucked up in an unnecessary
Speaker 2: amount of time. I did not like that. I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody did, and said to myself, I tweeted this
Speaker 2: out to us, said, look, if Jay's entrance is this long,
Speaker 2: they need to set aside about forty minutes for Roman
Speaker 2: Reigns' entrance that is already long, even when there's no
Speaker 2: you know, extended ramp to the ring. So that was
Speaker 2: not a good tone to set right off the bat.
Speaker 2: But yeah, again you get your finisher kickouts, and again
Speaker 2: the effort was there. I'm not trying to disparage either man.
Speaker 2: And then you saw if you saw the Jay Uso
Speaker 2: p press conference, he was drunker than a skunk. I mean,
Speaker 2: the dude was. He was in his Yeat mode promo voice,
Speaker 2: but in a drunk Yeat mode promo voice. It was
Speaker 2: a bad, bad look. Look, I have no issue you
Speaker 2: want to drink your drink, man, but it was just sloppy.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what he's saying. You have to
Speaker 2: really have subtitles. He should just walk around with some
Speaker 2: somebody who has subtitles under If we could somehow super
Speaker 2: impose subtitles under what he says, I need them half
Speaker 2: the time because I don't know what he's saying. I
Speaker 2: know he's capable of speaking normally like a human being,
Speaker 2: but when he gets in his yeat promo voice and
Speaker 2: then is drunk on top of it, it's a little
Speaker 2: challenging to understand what the hell are you saying. So
Speaker 2: I know he's excited and he deserves it. Look, Jay
Speaker 2: Usso does not have a ton of time left in
Speaker 2: front of him. People forget, like most of his career
Speaker 2: he was a tag team guy, and then he was
Speaker 2: in the Bloodline for several years, and now he's a
Speaker 2: singles guy finally making it to the top, and I'm
Speaker 2: I congratulate him. He's deserving of this. But again, the
Speaker 2: fans don't seem super excited when you look at the
Speaker 2: dislikes on YouTube. But yeah, sure that's not the only metric,
Speaker 2: but I guess it's those damn internet fans on Triple
Speaker 2: h those those imaginary fans that aren't real life who
Speaker 2: are clicking that button. Must be all those bots, huh.
Speaker 2: All right, So that's what I think I mean. If
Speaker 2: I was to give a star rating, you have like
Speaker 2: as far as this match goes, like a two and
Speaker 2: two quarter two and a quarter stars out of five,
Speaker 2: maybe even a two out of five, just because the
Speaker 2: finish really just was the worst finish you could imagine
Speaker 2: for Gunther. It was damaging to Gunther. That's the issue,
Speaker 2: all right. So the next match here that we have
Speaker 2: is the World Tag Team Championship match. As I said,
Speaker 2: the War Raiders a New Day. I don't have a
Speaker 2: whole lot to add to what I've already said about
Speaker 2: this match. It it was a bit I mean, it
Speaker 2: was standard. It was your standard matchup, no biggie, no interference,
Speaker 2: no big returns, no nothing. And again, not every match
Speaker 2: needs to have that, Not every match needs to be unpredictable.
Speaker 2: But when a match is that was on Wrestlemedia and
Speaker 2: you are watching it and you're thinking to yourself, yeah,
Speaker 2: this could eat easily just be a middle of the
Speaker 2: show SmackDown match, that's not good WrestleMania. I will continue
Speaker 2: to say, if it's truly the super Bowl of wrestling,
Speaker 2: should be the best of the best. The best storylines
Speaker 2: get the placement on the show. It's not a everyone
Speaker 2: gets a jersey show. They've turned it into that, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure the guys and gals love that because they
Speaker 2: get a spot, and I'm happy for them, and I'd
Speaker 2: probably feel that way too if I were in their shoes.
Speaker 2: But from a fans perspective, this is a strong case
Speaker 2: for why WrestleMania should be one night and not everybody
Speaker 2: should get a jersey. All right now, it'll never go back.
Speaker 2: I am accepting of that, and it is cool to
Speaker 2: have two nights of WrestleMania where it's the whole weekend.
Speaker 2: But you know, a four hour show that's felt like
Speaker 2: three quarters of it could have been put on a
Speaker 2: regular SmackDown or raw. Not a good feeling. And again
Speaker 2: it's not because of effort, it's just who's just that's it,
Speaker 2: all right? But anyway, the match ended with the New
Speaker 2: Day hitting the Daylight finisher and woods pinning Ivar, which
Speaker 2: Ivar man, I mean, he almost killed himself. Can we
Speaker 2: talk about that? Ivar literally almost unlived himself when he
Speaker 2: did that moon salt. It was scary, man. And look,
Speaker 2: I appreciate that he can do those things. I know
Speaker 2: that he does things that cruiser weights can do, and
Speaker 2: that's extremely impressive. But it's the old adage, just because
Speaker 2: you can doesn't mean you should. Okay, sometimes if you're
Speaker 2: a big dude, you should work like a big dude.
Speaker 2: And it's not just because it makes the match feel different,
Speaker 2: but it's just safety. Inherently, because of physics, you're going
Speaker 2: to put yourself and your opponent at a higher risk
Speaker 2: because you're a bigger guy. But all right, let's move on.
Speaker 2: Jade Cargo and Naomi another match that I have to
Speaker 2: be honest, I did not have high expectations for in
Speaker 2: this match, but I did say it was Jade's by
Speaker 2: far biggest match of her entire career. Naomi in some
Speaker 2: respect too, because she has for the first time gone
Speaker 2: heel and she's really reinvented herself. And it was a
Speaker 2: good spot for both women to show what they can
Speaker 2: do and make a case for their runs to continue.
Speaker 2: And the story was pretty good. I have to give
Speaker 2: this build. The build for this pretty pretty good, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that Jade had limited interviews and we still
Speaker 2: don't know who she is really other than just she
Speaker 2: was a victim of a of a blind side assault,
Speaker 2: so I guess that was really how they were going
Speaker 2: to garner sympathy here. And I was a little worried
Speaker 2: too for Jade that she wasn't going to get a
Speaker 2: big reaction, and from what I heard, she didn't. She
Speaker 2: didn't get really boozed, but people still it just was
Speaker 2: par for the course. It's like a mild acceptance, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not it's not rejection. She didn't get dueling chance,
Speaker 2: she just got kind of the oh cool, it's Jade,
Speaker 2: we're still you know, we're still on board with you.
Speaker 2: But time's ticking, you know, And she still got that reaction.
Speaker 2: But this match overall, before I get into the finish,
Speaker 2: in specific spots here I thought was I thought it
Speaker 2: was better than it probably better than I expected it
Speaker 2: to be. All Right, this match did what it needed
Speaker 2: to do. It was a little clunky, those some spots
Speaker 2: where you could tell, like very obviously Jade waited a
Speaker 2: little bit too long for Naomi to hit her spot
Speaker 2: or yeah, it was clear that they had rehearsed it
Speaker 2: a little bit, and the timing of Jade was a
Speaker 2: little off. And she doesn't work like the rest of
Speaker 2: the girls, so the pacing is a little different as well,
Speaker 2: and that's not a bad thing. I don't expect her
Speaker 2: to work at the rate of you know, anyone else
Speaker 2: in the division, right, But Naomi had to slow herself
Speaker 2: down to meet Jade, and that's fine. You don't need
Speaker 2: everybody looking and feeling the same in the ring. Differentiation.
Speaker 2: Differentiation is good, and so Jade, it's like she was
Speaker 2: being extra careful, though I feel like she could ramp
Speaker 2: it up. But her style is one that because she's
Speaker 2: a muscular woman much more than any of the other women.
Speaker 2: She does have to slow down a little bit and
Speaker 2: not work at a crazy high spot pace because you know,
Speaker 2: number one, it's a little unsafe, but number two, it
Speaker 2: doesn't really fit how she looks. So it felt like
Speaker 2: a time she was thinking too much and thinking about
Speaker 2: her spots next instead of just working. And look, she's
Speaker 2: still green, you know in terms of especially in a
Speaker 2: singles role. But this match delivered and she is a
Speaker 2: powerhouse of a woman. My god, the spot that she
Speaker 2: picked Naomi out of the air on a souplex that
Speaker 2: was incredibly impressive. That's what see, that's a good thing
Speaker 2: here the fans, as we all talk about all the time,
Speaker 2: and w B loves to say, it's about moments. I
Speaker 2: think all the clunkiness of this match that happened, fans
Speaker 2: will put that aside for the moments that Jade really
Speaker 2: showed what she can do and that's a great thing
Speaker 2: for her. So I think coming out of this people
Speaker 2: most of the most people will say it was good enough.
Speaker 2: That's why I think what this was and Jade getting
Speaker 2: the victory was the right move. She needs a kind
Speaker 2: of a staple victory Naomi will be just fine. That
Speaker 2: power bomb that she did at the end was awesome.
Speaker 2: Only to have her hit her finish jaded and gets
Speaker 2: the victory. That was great. Nine minutes and twenty seconds.
Speaker 2: I kind of figured it'd be about ten minutes and
Speaker 2: that's what they gave her. So good a breaking news.
Speaker 2: Cardi b is going to be hosting Summer Slam. Guys,
Speaker 2: the big deal here, or at least we're supposed to
Speaker 2: believe again all lea, if my personal opinions decide, this
Speaker 2: doesn't get me excited in the lead, but fine, So anyway,
Speaker 2: we get Only Night and Jacob font two for the
Speaker 2: United States Championship. Here's where the fans woke up. I
Speaker 2: would have liked this match school a little bit longer.
Speaker 2: I thought it would go fifteen. It went ten minutes
Speaker 2: and forty seconds, and the match was really good, exceeded
Speaker 2: my expectations and the right person won. The BFT that
Speaker 2: was done in the middle of the air wasn't exactly perfect,
Speaker 2: but it was as good as you could expect someone
Speaker 2: to do without retakes. That was a hell of a spot.
Speaker 2: Fans really popped on that one. And you know again,
Speaker 2: kickouts and finishes happened here, and that's fine. It was.
Speaker 2: It's WrestleMania for at least these two. I don't believe
Speaker 2: anyone has anyone ever kicked out of the BF. I'm
Speaker 2: sure Roman did, but BFT seems to be a pretty
Speaker 2: protected finish that, you know, no one really talks about
Speaker 2: it in these days where finishes are not protected at all. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, a pretty protected finish, So having Jacob to
Speaker 2: kick out of one, especially one that was caught mid air,
Speaker 2: was a big deal. Uh And so the finish though,
Speaker 2: was Fatu Soup lexing Knight. He hits a Moon Salt,
Speaker 2: a double Moon salt and got the three count. No weirdness,
Speaker 2: no no sloppy finish, no outsider interference, just a straight
Speaker 2: up Fatu victory, which is exactly what this should be. Now.
Speaker 2: Myself and others had suspected that Solo could be involved here.
Speaker 2: He didn't. Solo so was not involved. So they're clearly
Speaker 2: just still building that on the back end, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. Maybe backlash or the uh you know,
Speaker 2: the uh pl e after that, or maybe they'll wait
Speaker 2: till Summer Slam. This could be a slow burn for
Speaker 2: Fatu and Solo so CoA. We're all just hoping. I
Speaker 2: think that it's not Solo so CoA who answers the
Speaker 2: call tonight for Randy Orton. I don't think anyone wants
Speaker 2: to see that. That would be a snooze fest. I
Speaker 2: think Nick Aldos would be a guy that actually people
Speaker 2: would want to see Over Solo. Solo has really faded
Speaker 2: into the background here after his massive victories. It really
Speaker 2: all fell downhill after the Survivors Series War Games match.
Speaker 2: You could point to that as really where things just
Speaker 2: went off a cliff. Remember, he disappeared for a while,
Speaker 2: then he comes back, but Jacob Fatu is now the star,
Speaker 2: and then there's tension with Jacob Fatu and Solo, and
Speaker 2: that's kind of where we're at now. It's been a
Speaker 2: massive downslide over the last five months for Jacob Fatu.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for Solo, so I thought there was a
Speaker 2: chance he could come out here. But either way, Jacob
Speaker 2: Fantu is probably gonna win this, and he did. It
Speaker 2: was a nice win for Fatu. There were some chance
Speaker 2: for Fatu, and I kind of figured that as well,
Speaker 2: with the support he had had from the crowd. Even
Speaker 2: as a heel over the last couple of months, and
Speaker 2: that's exactly what we got. It wasn't a fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: It was more of an eighty twenty, I would say
Speaker 2: in support of Ella Knight because people still love Night
Speaker 2: and him coming out in the Lambeau was fun, although
Speaker 2: everyone seemed to get a how many car entrances did
Speaker 2: we get? I mean we got Charlotte, we got Night.
Speaker 2: I mean was there somebody else that? Am I just overstating?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so Ellena comes out in the Lambeau and yeah,
Speaker 2: the crowd still really loves him and rightfully. So I
Speaker 2: don't know where Ellen Night goes from here. Probably a rematch,
Speaker 2: but maybe Llen e gets pushed into the title picture
Speaker 2: in a serious way. We'll have to wait and see,
Speaker 2: all right, But again, really nice victory here for Fatu.
Speaker 2: We had at the end Haku appear at ringside and
Speaker 2: congratulated Fatu. So that was that was really cool, all right.
Speaker 2: We then had Ray Phoenix versus Al Grande Americano. They
Speaker 2: did mention how there was a change where he's from
Speaker 2: of Gulf of America now he's the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 2: And the reason that that they gave per Pat McAfee
Speaker 2: on his show, was that, well, he's from Gulf of
Speaker 2: Mexico because he was born when it was still the
Speaker 2: Gulf of Mexico. So yeah, that's still that's not how
Speaker 2: things work, right, you Like, people can change the names
Speaker 2: of states, change the name of countries. I mean, you
Speaker 2: just can. You can change names of things. But that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that because you were born in a place
Speaker 2: where it was had a previous name, that that name
Speaker 2: sticks with where you were born. No, because the name
Speaker 2: of the place changes, it doesn't stay static because of
Speaker 2: when you were born, right that. I know they're trying
Speaker 2: to me. It's just a cowardice that they decided to
Speaker 2: do that. I think that he would have got a
Speaker 2: lot more And it's not I shouldn't say the success
Speaker 2: depends on the naming of where he was from. But
Speaker 2: I'm glad they at least acknowledged it. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: But I think that him being from the Gulf of
Speaker 2: America would be it would just just add to his
Speaker 2: character in the heat for his character because of the
Speaker 2: renaming of the body of water. So I mean, people
Speaker 2: can say whatever you want it, I mean, it is
Speaker 2: the Gulf of America. Like that's the name. It doesn't
Speaker 2: change where it is, it doesn't change what it is.
Speaker 2: It just changes the name that we arbitrarily give it.
Speaker 2: So I mean, but officially on the books it is
Speaker 2: the Gulf of America. Lover hate it, so it's it's inaccurate.
Speaker 2: The Gulf of Mexico doesn't exist because it's not a thing.
Speaker 2: It did exist, right, it did, but it doesn't anymore. Well,
Speaker 2: I lover hated I mean, not getting into politics, just facts,
Speaker 2: all right, But this match was too short. I mean,
Speaker 2: by the time they really started to heat up here,
Speaker 2: they cut it short. And this is where the entrances
Speaker 2: and the propaganda and the I don't know if propaganda's
Speaker 2: right where, but the constant celebrity shots and the video
Speaker 2: packages and the back stage, like they could add take
Speaker 2: that time, even just a little bit of it, a
Speaker 2: fraction of it and added to the matches, and I
Speaker 2: think we would have gotten a a little bit more time,
Speaker 2: at least three four to five minutes for this match.
Speaker 2: This was seven minutes and fifty five seconds. That's that's
Speaker 2: just unacceptable. I know Grande got the victory, as I
Speaker 2: think he probably should have, despite the fact that Ray
Speaker 2: Phoenix has debuted, and also given the fact that they
Speaker 2: just acquired Triple A the Lutidor promotion, they probably should
Speaker 2: have given this match a little more time, given the
Speaker 2: fact that you had the Triple A owners ringside. It's
Speaker 2: it was, you know, it's a bit of an issue
Speaker 2: here where you know, it's like, oh, we're really happy
Speaker 2: to have you guys, but by the way, we're going
Speaker 2: to give you the shortest match of the night. You know,
Speaker 2: in terms of lutrador wrestling or I know Grande people,
Speaker 2: you know, it is what it is with El Grande.
Speaker 2: He is a faux lutador we all know. But Ray
Speaker 2: Phoenix legit, right. I guess we can also understand how
Speaker 2: El Grande Americano was brought into WWE. The mystery has
Speaker 2: been solved, right, He came from Triple A. So now
Speaker 2: people are asking how did he get to w B. Well,
Speaker 2: there's your answer. I think we finally know why. The
Speaker 2: mystery has been solved as to how we acquired El
Speaker 2: Grande Americano. All right, so yeah we have Steven Emmel,
Speaker 2: I don't care. Just look at the notes here. Shawn
Speaker 2: Michaels came out and he you know just listed now
Speaker 2: the attendance at sixty one thousand, pretty good pop for
Speaker 2: HBK d X music played. He did a second thing
Speaker 2: that he's been doing for twenty five years. So let
Speaker 2: me get Tiffany and Charlotte for the Women's Championship, and
Speaker 2: I will say the entrance for Tiffany was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: The Charlotte Flair entrance is exactly what you always think.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a worlds Royce or whatever.
Speaker 2: She came out in the Tiffany's Barbie doll box thing.
Speaker 2: Really cool. I don't know anyone. Did anyone actually think
Speaker 2: that the other two on the sides of her were
Speaker 2: possibly her? I know they were trying to fool you
Speaker 2: as to what one and it was pretty good quality,
Speaker 2: but you could still tell like which ones which. But
Speaker 2: still nonetheless a really fun entrance for her and this
Speaker 2: match boy physical a little clunky at times. Tiffany I
Speaker 2: think has a chip tooth, and you know, so she'll
Speaker 2: get that repaired. A bump on her head, a bruise
Speaker 2: on her head, so she hit it some at some
Speaker 2: point and yeah, again the clunkiness where she you know,
Speaker 2: Charlotte went for the swinging neck breaker and she couldn't
Speaker 2: quite hit it on on Tiffany, which was it looked
Speaker 2: like Tiffany's fault. But yeah, the clunkiness was there, but
Speaker 2: this seemed like a It was just a gritty wrestling match,
Speaker 2: and that's what I loved about this. It went nineteen minutes,
Speaker 2: but it didn't feel like nineteen minutes. It felt like twelve.
Speaker 2: And Tiffany beats Charlotte to retain. Now, the finish had
Speaker 2: Stratton going for the prettiest moon salt, but Flair put
Speaker 2: her knees up. That was just an excellent spot. She
Speaker 2: got the near fall. Flair sold her knee as Tiffany
Speaker 2: did attack the knee. That was a great, great part
Speaker 2: of the match here, but Flair did the same to
Speaker 2: attack Tiffany's knee. Flair hit a natural selection from the
Speaker 2: top rope. Again if they are not exactly the cleanest
Speaker 2: natural selection. Natural selection is a difficult move to make
Speaker 2: look really good because like Charlotte's flipping over and that
Speaker 2: the person taking the move has to hit just right.
Speaker 2: It's a difficult move to make look clean, especially also
Speaker 2: when you're coming off of a second rope or a
Speaker 2: top rope. Even more difficult, So it wasn't the cleanest look,
Speaker 2: but fine, I just don't ever put that in slow mo.
Speaker 2: You ever put that in slow mo? I mean you
Speaker 2: shake your head. But in real time it was fine.
Speaker 2: And then Flair grabs Stratton's head trash talktr Flair went
Speaker 2: for her finish again, the figure eight, but Stratton avoided it,
Speaker 2: and Stratton used in Alabama slam to send Flair into
Speaker 2: the corner and then hit a rolling sent on and
Speaker 2: hit the prettiest moon Salt ever for the victory. And
Speaker 2: I really thought that this was right up there with
Speaker 2: Fatu and Night better in some ways too, didn't feel
Speaker 2: as rushed like a lot of the matches did. There's
Speaker 2: also another reason why we shouldn't have two nights or
Speaker 2: everybody on the card, because then you have too many matches,
Speaker 2: and then if you run out of time, everybody's match
Speaker 2: has to suffer with time being taken away. So fewer
Speaker 2: matches usually is better. But this match, again, gritty is
Speaker 2: the perfect word for this. Tiffany was beaten up. Charlotte
Speaker 2: looked really good despite all the criticism that I've given
Speaker 2: her that we don't want to see her, don't need
Speaker 2: to see her, it's still not going to change the
Speaker 2: fans opinion. But I think even the people that really,
Speaker 2: really really hate Charlotte Flair and don't ever want to
Speaker 2: see her again can't deny that she is just awesome
Speaker 2: in the ring. She just is. She understands psychology, pacing,
Speaker 2: helping get her opponent over. She gets it. She has
Speaker 2: put all the pieces together. And I can say that
Speaker 2: while still also saying that if Charlotte Flair left tomorrow
Speaker 2: and we put her in the Hall of Fame, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be I wouldn't be chanting one more match. But
Speaker 2: she's damn good. She looked great. I know that. I
Speaker 2: said the other week that she looked kind of sickly
Speaker 2: with how thin she was, But last night, maybe it
Speaker 2: was the outfit she was wearing that particular night, because
Speaker 2: I think she looked really good, you know, still on
Speaker 2: the thin side, but not to the point of Mike
Speaker 2: I'm concerned for her, But boys, she good. She is
Speaker 2: damn good. So the victory here, Charlotte Flair losing actually
Speaker 2: surprised a lot of people and wonder if that was
Speaker 2: the last second decision or fall along that they thought
Speaker 2: that Flair or New Flair was going to lose and
Speaker 2: Tiffany was going to retain, but it was the right decision,
Speaker 2: and Cole saying that you know, you hit her here first.
Speaker 2: This may be a bold prediction, but she that Tiffany
Speaker 2: has the potential to, you know, or likelihood to have
Speaker 2: a Charlotte Flair esque career. I think that's very possible.
Speaker 2: It's very possible. But now we get the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame ceremony before the main event with Triple H, Brett Hart,
Speaker 2: Steve Austin, Michelle McCool typhoon, and the family of the
Speaker 2: late John Earthquake Tenta. They were introduced on stage. That
Speaker 2: was fun. I will say seeing Austin out there on
Speaker 2: stage unceremoniously, just without his music, it felt wrong. I
Speaker 2: don't want Austin out there like it's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: we all know he's here, is he going to come
Speaker 2: out tomorrow night? And then you see him last night
Speaker 2: he just walks out, calmly with a suit. It felt
Speaker 2: like sacrilegious. I didn't want, like, that's the last way
Speaker 2: I want to see Austin is kind of calmly walking
Speaker 2: out with a suit, just to you know, be presented
Speaker 2: in an award for a match that he had. It's
Speaker 2: just I don't know, especially with what could happen tonight,
Speaker 2: and I hope still happens tonight, but it's kind of
Speaker 2: like taking the air out of the room when you
Speaker 2: see a guy like he's already there and he's it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: well there you are, you know, instead of that big
Speaker 2: moment when you know, crash and he comes out. Anyway,
Speaker 2: so him and him and Brett Hart absolutely deserving of
Speaker 2: their award for the match they had to WrestleMania thirteen
Speaker 2: and Triple H doing his water thing if fine, you know,
Speaker 2: it was a it's the the moment that all of
Speaker 2: those men deserve, all right, So Seth comes out. Cult
Speaker 2: of Personality plays live for Sampunk. I'm never a fan.
Speaker 2: I don't care who it is, whether it's Triple H's
Speaker 2: motor Head, Cult of Personality here rear Ripley's last year,
Speaker 2: which I mean, I don't like her music as it is,
Speaker 2: But anyway, no matter who it is, whatever band they
Speaker 2: bring in they think is like cool to have the music.
Speaker 2: It never sounds right, it never sounds like how you
Speaker 2: want it to sound. How we all remember their entrance
Speaker 2: music sounding so I don't. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 2: the bands coming out and performing the entrance music live.
Speaker 2: I understand, Oh it's cool. To me, it's like I
Speaker 2: just want the original, Like, just give me the recorded version.
Speaker 2: It always one hundred percent of the time sounds better.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless I know why they do it. I just
Speaker 2: I don't like it. So this match, my god, twenty
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, twenty thirty three minutes, but deserving of every minute.
Speaker 2: This match had everything. Yes, it had finished your kickouts
Speaker 2: and yeah, as always too many, but the synchronicity of
Speaker 2: these three men, the timing the spear into a pedigree
Speaker 2: by Rollins, when all three men went down towards the end,
Speaker 2: with all three men, you know that the GTS was
Speaker 2: hit on Rollins, a spear was hit on Punk but
Speaker 2: then a stomp was hit on the Reins and all
Speaker 2: three men went down. Just it was awesome. I didn't
Speaker 2: think it would be this good. So this match, to me,
Speaker 2: saved the night. Yes night, and Fatu was a shining star.
Speaker 2: Yes for me, Charlotte and Tiffany, I'd like to even
Speaker 2: see a rematch. Was a shining light on the night.
Speaker 2: But this one was like a pillar to hold up
Speaker 2: the whole night. If this main event had been a flop,
Speaker 2: to me, this would be a highly negative review of
Speaker 2: Night one. The main event saved. It was a saving
Speaker 2: grace of Night one. Again, not the only one, but
Speaker 2: the this is far and above all of the other matches,
Speaker 2: and it was a pillar of the night. So awesome, awesome,
Speaker 2: awesome match here. I mean the GTS reversals. Everybody was clean,
Speaker 2: everybody was on point, the timing, the pacing, everybody had
Speaker 2: their moment where you thought they could win. And then
Speaker 2: they go for a finish that's a false finish, that's
Speaker 2: a false finish. For the false finish, it was awesome.
Speaker 2: And then the finish, the real finish, of course, had Punk.
Speaker 2: And when everybody went down, you had Paul Hayman, who
Speaker 2: you knew was you don't know where his loyalties lie.
Speaker 2: And that was the whole story. He comes out or
Speaker 2: he was there already and he had the chair and
Speaker 2: Rains wanted it, but he handed it to Punk and
Speaker 2: once he handed it to Punk, Punk or Hayman gets
Speaker 2: in the ring, Low blows Punk and you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess he's back with Roman, and I guess he
Speaker 2: could turn on Roman, but it doesn't look like it.
Speaker 2: He could have just been turning up Punk. And then
Speaker 2: he ends the chair to Roman, who's laughing at this point,
Speaker 2: and just as Roman was about strike Seth rollins, Roman
Speaker 2: gets a low blow, kind of a weird one, but
Speaker 2: gets one nonetheless from Paul Hayman. And that's when you realize, Okay,
Speaker 2: they're going with the most interesting potential outcome here, and
Speaker 2: I know that there's so many people, even though even
Speaker 2: the big streamers who are just so shocked by this
Speaker 2: moment or pretending to be for for likes or reviews,
Speaker 2: we all knew there was only three outcomes here, only
Speaker 2: three outside of the yeah, the brock Lessner one, which
Speaker 2: I threw out as a wildly a wild potential, but
Speaker 2: one that is not likely. So there were really only three,
Speaker 2: and that led to the most interesting of the three.
Speaker 2: You either knew Paul Hamm was going to turn on Punk,
Speaker 2: turn on Reins, or turn on both and join Seth.
Speaker 2: We all knew that. So the idea that this was
Speaker 2: totally out of nowhere and no one saw this coming
Speaker 2: is it's just wrong. I mean, we all knew there
Speaker 2: was only three possibilities here, but they went, but the
Speaker 2: woman's that was the most interesting, and they did it.
Speaker 2: The execution was just perfect. That's where we really should
Speaker 2: appreciate it here. Is not that they didn't they did
Speaker 2: something that no one expected. I mean, if you pay
Speaker 2: attention to wrestling, you knew this was a possibility. But
Speaker 2: the execution of this was just perfect. And the fact
Speaker 2: that this is still about the services of three grown
Speaker 2: men fighting for the services of a sixty year old
Speaker 2: man is quite wild. I mean, it's it's just logically,
Speaker 2: it's kind of crazy, but one that I understand. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's Paul Hayman, who is the greatest of all time
Speaker 2: when it comes to managers, and if he were able
Speaker 2: to ever get in the ring and have a match,
Speaker 2: and he would have been a legend in the business
Speaker 2: in ring performer wise. But he ends up low blowing
Speaker 2: both guys, turns on Seth and rains, so we have
Speaker 2: a heel Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins gets the victory after
Speaker 2: a chair shot to Roman Stomp one two three, and
Speaker 2: Rollins is now a heel with Paul Haman and we
Speaker 2: haven't seen this pairing before, so it's new. Some people
Speaker 2: who for some reason didn't see this coming, are now
Speaker 2: surprised and are like, oh my god, and you wonder
Speaker 2: what this is going to look like. But Seth Rollins
Speaker 2: needed a change. He's been a babyface now for what
Speaker 2: four years? I mean it's been a while. Maybe we
Speaker 2: never have to hear his song again. I want his
Speaker 2: entrance music to just change. Please, I never hear it.
Speaker 2: Need to hear the woes again. So hopefully that changes.
Speaker 2: But Paul Hayman Seth Rollins are a team that leads
Speaker 2: you to believe, okay, Punk and rains. Where does that
Speaker 2: leave them? Do they team up? You would think that
Speaker 2: in some way they do. But if they do, and
Speaker 2: they're going after to get their hands on Hayman, you know,
Speaker 2: Rollins is going to have somebody who so who joined
Speaker 2: Seth Rollins. I know there's even talk of tonight Seth
Speaker 2: Rollins and Paul Hayman getting involved in the main event.
Speaker 2: So there's a big faction of sorts of John Cena,
Speaker 2: Rollins and Paul Hayman, maybe Drew McIntyre. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: wild things going on, but it's not impossible that tonight
Speaker 2: we see Paul Hayman and Seth Rollins appear in the
Speaker 2: main event tonight and do something to screw over Cody Rhoades.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's an absolute possibility, one that
Speaker 2: is going to be just discussed for for a long time.
Speaker 2: So overall, a really an excellent, excellent main event that
Speaker 2: would have otherwise been kind of a low, kind of
Speaker 2: a sinking feeling coming out of WrestleMania, one that is
Speaker 2: absolutely going to be looked at, I think as a
Speaker 2: one of the greatest main events in recent memory, just
Speaker 2: in terms of execution, not in terms of unpredictability. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I know many people are somehow
Speaker 2: shocked by this, but execution was just ten out of ten.
Speaker 2: The rest the main event here, I mean, I'd give
Speaker 2: it four and a half out of five stars. You know,
Speaker 2: if I was to give it a star rating, maybe
Speaker 2: four and three quarters. In terms of execution, just awesome,
Speaker 2: just incredible. So a great way to end the show.
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that it wasn't the most unpredictable night,
Speaker 2: it did have the most interesting of the three possibilities
Speaker 2: with Paul Ayman joining Seth. What does that mean? What
Speaker 2: does that look like? What what does this new heel
Speaker 2: Seth look like? So many great questions to come out
Speaker 2: of it. But again, if you're going to main event
Speaker 2: this and have Paul Hayman do what he did and
Speaker 2: you're going to have the most interesting outcome, this deserve
Speaker 2: I mean, this deserved to be the main event. I
Speaker 2: know that Charlotte and Tiffany could have still main invented,
Speaker 2: but you knew that if they main invented this with
Speaker 2: no title on the line, nothing really other than the
Speaker 2: services of a geriatric man, you had to have big
Speaker 2: consequences in this match. It couldn't just be oh, Punk
Speaker 2: wins and then Roman is back with Paul Hayman and
Speaker 2: then off we go. You had to have something big
Speaker 2: and tonight, I think you're going to have very similar
Speaker 2: outcome with the main event of Cody and with John Cena.
Speaker 2: Is it bad that I'm mostly looking forward to Austin
Speaker 2: stunning the Rock like that is the thing, the cornerstone
Speaker 2: that I am looking forward to tonight, And if it
Speaker 2: doesn't happen, I am going to go into a deep
Speaker 2: dark place in my life. So just because I've built
Speaker 2: it up for years now of this happening, last year
Speaker 2: we got screwed out of it because of money, and
Speaker 2: this year I hope it's not the case because Austin's there.
Speaker 2: There's no excuse, there's no excuse, there's no more well,
Speaker 2: you know, I had a project. Yeah, I had this
Speaker 2: pre you, I had a you know something else that
Speaker 2: I you know, a pre commitment or whatever. No, No,
Speaker 2: we saw you last night. You're here and you live
Speaker 2: in Vegas. So there is absolutely no reason that when
Speaker 2: the Rock comes out to try to screw Cody that
Speaker 2: Austin is the neutralizer. Ultimately, Cody's gonna lose. But I
Speaker 2: think that to me is the number one thing I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to of for tonight, And I think tonight
Speaker 2: actually as a whole, not previewing it again, but I
Speaker 2: think as a whole it'll be a better night than
Speaker 2: it was last night from just in terms of match
Speaker 2: to match, there's bigger matches, bigger stars, and of course
Speaker 2: the main event that we're all looking forward to that
Speaker 2: I think is going to be wild. So that'll do it.
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Speaker 2: because I want to be not tired. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm much sharper when i'm not tired. So all right,
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