Speaker 1: He was to commenter who Go Podcast episode four sixty five.
Speaker 1: I'm brand Ome, Here's Brian, and we're gona talk about
Speaker 1: the legends for Magic Foundations Horizons. Now it our theme song.
Speaker 1: Hey Ryan, We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure.
Speaker 2: How you doing? We're back good? What is going down?
Speaker 1: The whole ton is going down. We're gonna get into
Speaker 1: some legendary creature that we want to meech at the
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Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, there are some beach inspired arts that we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course we are. And we got some stories
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I thought it was gonna be somebody
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Speaker 2: a doorknob. Well, it might have been a doorknob.
Speaker 1: It was in a soft and not attached to a door,
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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, final big thank you goes out too.
Speaker 2: Oh no, pile of bones. I gotta mention the the
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Speaker 2: all of the people in the nation that make the
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Speaker 2: thank you goes to producer Gary at the dufferin Avenue
Speaker 2: Media Network Network Studio.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're in the studio right now where.
Speaker 2: We are, Yeah, for sure, and we have a fun
Speaker 2: little thing to show off. Oh look at CECO summer.
Speaker 2: I forgot to change it. No Ah, that's it. Cut cut, No, Scott,
Speaker 2: cut the cut. The show shows over. No wait, you
Speaker 2: know what you're watching on YouTube?
Speaker 1: Which should be and that show was. That intro was
Speaker 1: really good. I don't want to waste it. Let's just
Speaker 1: power through.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you're you'll see something really cool
Speaker 2: that we're going to have in Calgary. If producer Gary
Speaker 2: wants to flip over to uh, I believe it's camera
Speaker 2: two now.
Speaker 1: I to show it. Just show it.
Speaker 2: It's the CEO Plinko board. It's the funnest thing ever.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a whole Plinko tournament in Calgary, and
Speaker 2: producer Gary's coming out in his house coat and underwear
Speaker 2: and he's gonna drop a team brand.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's right, that's how it is.
Speaker 2: That's why he didn't win. Drop a team Ryan in there.
Speaker 1: There we go, let's go fuck damn it, this is
Speaker 1: rigged and bullshit. Then go again, damn it, try again,
Speaker 1: not shit, Okay, god damn it. The point is we're
Speaker 1: gonna win regular cards, big cards, packed stickers. There we go.
Speaker 1: This is the one. This is the one, baby, damn it.
Speaker 2: Blocking it out. So we've got the Plinko board, as
Speaker 2: it says, every play is gonna be a winning play.
Speaker 2: We've got prize tickets to give out ye booster packs
Speaker 2: courtesy of Face to Face Games. Our friends there, and
Speaker 2: maybe we'll touch base with the other retailers like Fusion
Speaker 2: and House of Cards and whoever else is there to say, Hey,
Speaker 2: anybody wanting on the Blinkel board.
Speaker 1: Maybe sock Rocket would give away socks.
Speaker 2: Oh they will, hundred percent, they will sock socccrocket. Those
Speaker 2: guys are good and always guys, always willing to discuss
Speaker 2: and theorize new sock ideas.
Speaker 1: I just want the one with guns on them, block socks,
Speaker 1: that's all I want. I want.
Speaker 2: I want socks with a glock and spiel on it,
Speaker 2: so they could be sock and spiels.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd also accept the frogs on them. There's no
Speaker 1: pun there. I just want songs with frogs on them. Yes,
Speaker 1: sogs with frocks, so maybe they'd help you jump higher.
Speaker 1: It's already over already.
Speaker 2: They'll be in for sure. And on Sunday, if you're
Speaker 2: coming to the CCO experience, if you're coming to Face
Speaker 2: to Face Tour Championship Weekend Calgary, it's still a mouthful
Speaker 2: every time. Yes, it is whine. Every Sunday, we are
Speaker 2: are gonna have a Planko tournament. We're gonna win a
Speaker 2: big card, big giant card up for grabs.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the big card's gonna be. I hope
Speaker 1: it's one that you want, and then we have to
Speaker 1: give it to somebody else.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's okay. I like giving stuff away, Yeah
Speaker 2: you do. I like giving stuff away, especially at events,
Speaker 2: And of course there's gonna be small prizes throughout the week.
Speaker 2: We've got Ultimate Guard is the title sponsor. They're gonna
Speaker 2: have stuff to give away. Face to face always has
Speaker 2: generously provided us with lots of stuff to give away,
Speaker 2: and of course CEO discounts to the merch, booth, stickers, tokens,
Speaker 2: games with all of CECIO nation and lots of the
Speaker 2: dude bros coming.
Speaker 1: Can I call it?
Speaker 2: Can I call them the Greater Goons? Can I call
Speaker 2: them the Goon Squad? The Greater Goons? Yeah, the goons
Speaker 2: at large? Yeah, all of those are fine terms. We're
Speaker 2: the goon Like, yes, the CEO goondalk saying we're.
Speaker 1: Out there clapping up people that are doing bad.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm gonna clap some cheeks in fricking plinko. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm undefeated, man, as you have seen. Yeah, just talk
Speaker 2: about cards, last thing, last thing again Gary, No, I'm undefeated,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Yeah, Post Calgary is going to be coming
Speaker 2: up to like Black Friday time and then the Christmas
Speaker 2: kind of theme. I want to have a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff on sale because Brandon and I were talking
Speaker 2: about getting rid of the old merch to bring in
Speaker 2: all of the new CCO merch for twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and we're really digging the comic book theme and that
Speaker 2: kind of old school like sixties retro comic vibe. So
Speaker 2: I got a call out for the nation. Okay, if
Speaker 2: you want to see that kind of merch, let us
Speaker 2: know what you want, because I don't want to guess
Speaker 2: and make something that nobody wants, right. And also, if
Speaker 2: you're maybe an artist or some kind of graphic designer
Speaker 2: or have some ideas of what would be cool that
Speaker 2: may you'd like to see on some CEO march, you
Speaker 2: get us. Hook us up, hit us up, yeah, because
Speaker 2: I would love to feature artists out in the community
Speaker 2: like we've done so often with Gee Pizza. We use
Speaker 2: those skeleton heads on frickin' everything.
Speaker 1: As you can have seen with the Plankoa board and
Speaker 1: the Plankoat tokens. And it's not my shirt, yeah there
Speaker 1: it is again.
Speaker 2: But they're on the CEO Experience Calgary shirt with cowboy
Speaker 2: hats on. Yeah right. And they've a little bit become
Speaker 2: synonymous with our brand in Canada because Face to Face
Speaker 2: Games also puts them on all of the stuff, like
Speaker 2: when we did the party in Toronto and now going
Speaker 2: to Calgary, on the website and stuff. So we're doing
Speaker 2: this yep. For sure. So lots of good deals to
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Speaker 1: Little support goes a long way.
Speaker 2: We appreciate all of it very much so, and you
Speaker 2: can get on curbs. I'd pick up the latest one.
Speaker 2: Just launched a four player game, Callum the Third. He
Speaker 2: was in it, and he's gonna be in Calgary. That's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. Yeah, he's coming off his celebrity appearance
Speaker 2: on curb side pickup. We've got to knock him down.
Speaker 2: A few pegs will do. I'm gonna use Plinko to
Speaker 2: do that, and magic to gathering cards and I can
Speaker 2: probably drink more beer than him. But nobody's just gonna
Speaker 2: hit him. Oh yeah, the old sock and the doorknob
Speaker 2: trick from a few minutes ago. Yes, yeah, somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: get a black eye. It's gonna be callum yeah from
Speaker 2: a doornum.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess we were ruined the surprise. Spoiler alert, but
Speaker 2: here we are.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The CEO initiation party. Everybody's gonna get hit with
Speaker 2: a sock with a doorknob in it.
Speaker 1: That's a cue ball. Yeah, fine, we all remember the kids. Fine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Should we.
Speaker 1: Talk about some cards? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, So we have got thirty nine new legends from
Speaker 2: Foundations and Jumpstart oh Man combined, and that seems like lots.
Speaker 2: But we're not gonna talk with all of them.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good thing for an editor, Joe, because some.
Speaker 1: Of them are not I don't think any of them
Speaker 1: are actually like duds, but some of them are just
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Some of the uncommon ones aren't very powerful or very
Speaker 2: obviously are like, oh, that goes in the ninety nine
Speaker 2: of something like the elf that untaps all of your
Speaker 2: other elves. Yeah, right, that goes in the ninety nine
Speaker 2: of your last real elf ball deck. That's the whole review. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we did it. The bonus card, right, bonus card. Now,
Speaker 2: some of these things and a little bit. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about it more next week when we do our final
Speaker 2: look at Foundations or a little bit behind the eight ball. Sorry,
Speaker 2: everybody are quite expensive, yes, and I tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Okay. The reason for this is it's still technically pre
Speaker 1: release as of this episode's release exactually this coming weekend
Speaker 1: it's the official release day and you.
Speaker 2: Can go out and buy the product and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But prices are still going to be very high for
Speaker 1: the next little while until the packs and jump Start
Speaker 1: gets sorted out. We talked about on the pre show yesterday.
Speaker 1: Brouvac maintained a fairly high.
Speaker 2: Level of price thirty bucks Art's say, but did come.
Speaker 1: Down from where it was when it was originally released.
Speaker 1: I think it was eighty or ninety at the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was quite expensive. Now maxists, on the
Speaker 2: other hand, fifty dollars at release now, four dollar card,
Speaker 2: six dollars card, huge.
Speaker 1: Nose dive, and ninety percent of the cards in here,
Speaker 1: I'm going to argue here will take a huge dive.
Speaker 1: So by all means, by Jumpstart, there's tons of cool
Speaker 1: stuff in there, There's bobs, and we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: that next week. Ons of cool stuff. But if you're
Speaker 1: going to pre order this stuff, be aware that you're
Speaker 1: going to pay a premium to get your shit now, yes,
Speaker 1: when you could wait a few months or weeks even
Speaker 1: and get them for much much less. And we don't
Speaker 1: usually do the finance thing here, but I'd hate to
Speaker 1: see you get taken because you'd actually think that the
Speaker 1: Jelly Drover is actually worth eighty United States freedom dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and that's an uncommon now one of the
Speaker 2: I got two things to say about that. One of
Speaker 2: the reasons that these are expensive and may maintain a
Speaker 2: slightly elevated price is because they do have japan ease
Speaker 2: manga anime artists maybe and in some cases famous artists
Speaker 2: that people will have heard of and want to collect
Speaker 2: art by those individuals. And that's fantastic. I love when
Speaker 2: they do that. Look at the Liliana from the Japanese
Speaker 2: Liliana from War of the Spark is like three thousand
Speaker 2: dollars in foil because it's done by the Final Fantasy Guy.
Speaker 1: Yep, right, then, how many Final Fantasy Guy arts? A
Speaker 1: they're going to be in the Final Fantasy set?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I'd imagine quite a confuse. Several, Yeah,
Speaker 2: several or none, I don't know, if you're being facetious.
Speaker 1: No, they'll be lock.
Speaker 2: I'd imagine they're coming. You're gonna be done by ai
Speaker 2: oooh shit. The other thing I'll say about the elevated
Speaker 2: price of these cards in particular, because we're talking about them.
Speaker 2: If you want them and you have the means, without
Speaker 2: putting yourself kind of in a hole, please go out
Speaker 2: and spend seventy dollars on a single at an elevated
Speaker 2: price to help out your lgs's. That's the thing that's fantastic,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that that gets enough credence in
Speaker 2: content if you have the means and it doesn't spending
Speaker 2: seventy dollars on a proof release magic card that's going
Speaker 2: to be worth fifteen in a month. If seventy dollars
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt you, go out and spend seventy dollars at
Speaker 2: your LGS. Go to Fusion, go to any online retailer
Speaker 2: that is not like the biggest four in the world
Speaker 2: that are like multimillion dollar corporations. Go out and spend
Speaker 2: money because that's somebody's business, and that makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense for the health of the game and the
Speaker 2: health of those lgs. Is right, because if there isn't
Speaker 2: seventy dollars cards in packs and they're forced to sell
Speaker 2: cards at two and three dollars, ah, they kind of
Speaker 2: get boned, right, So this is a good thing for them,
Speaker 2: and it's a double good thing. Three friends at CCO.
Speaker 2: If you see CEO Holiday, I did a little bit
Speaker 2: of a discount on the what's her name, Sinnet Jelly.
Speaker 1: Droveret Jelly, we're not even let's just talk. Let's she'll
Speaker 1: be the bonus one. So she's a two to two
Speaker 1: for blue four. When she comes into play or eats shit,
Speaker 1: you get a one to one blue jellyfish creature token.
Speaker 1: With flying creatures you control with flying get plus one
Speaker 1: plus one.
Speaker 2: She is a She is a fine card. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: play Blue Bounce, Blue Blink, I'm going to die. No.
Speaker 2: But also when she enters, oh yeah, so if I
Speaker 2: can blink her, she's gonna re enter and she's gonna
Speaker 2: give me a jellyfish. And the jellyfish she a two two.
Speaker 2: So when you said she's a two two for four,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, but actually she's a two to
Speaker 2: two for she's four power for four manut and two
Speaker 2: of which is flying. Like, this is a great limited card.
Speaker 2: If I opened this Jumpstart pack A, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 2: win that game B next week and I'm going straight
Speaker 2: to the fricking retail trade it in, thereby driving the
Speaker 2: price down for the people who can't afford the seventy
Speaker 2: dollars price tango. I bet you they either won't be
Speaker 2: taking jump Start cards on the weekend of or Sinnette
Speaker 2: will be like a three dollars by list.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, let's go to the actual things.
Speaker 2: Well, this this is them. No, that's not the no,
Speaker 2: this is them. Ok Okay, who do you want to
Speaker 2: talk about?
Speaker 1: My first one? Sure? This is it's right here. It's
Speaker 1: a Felli, a viper whisperer, the one three for black,
Speaker 1: one death touch. Whenever Afeli attacks, you may pay Gulgary
Speaker 1: Hybrid and one. If you do, you mech black Snack,
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite things to say in
Speaker 1: all of magic.
Speaker 2: Do you have a Gulgary deck I do?
Speaker 1: And do you why I'm so excited about this? Is
Speaker 1: my Gulgary deck Ishpatra? Right well, I have a Patra
Speaker 1: and I have oops all death touch. Oh and this
Speaker 1: goes right in there because it makes snakes with death you.
Speaker 2: Could go in both.
Speaker 1: And she also has another ability black five until end
Speaker 1: of turn whenever one or more gorgons and or snakes
Speaker 1: we control dell combat damage to a player that player
Speaker 1: loses half their life rounded up. Oh, I like, I'm
Speaker 1: actually thinking if I can source one of these, and
Speaker 1: she's also got one of those Anime way Foo arts,
Speaker 1: I'm going to put her at the helmet and as
Speaker 1: we sit here recording right now, she's forty dollars m
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take her and I'm going to remove the
Speaker 1: current head of my oops All Death Touch deck, which
Speaker 1: is it's the Glissa that at the beginning of combat
Speaker 1: you pick a thing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna trash her immediately put this in.
Speaker 1: Take all the Ferrexians that I play in the deck
Speaker 1: out because I'm playing Glyssa. I'm gonna replace it with
Speaker 1: a Felia and.
Speaker 2: Gorgans gorgons so you could have snakes and gorgons which
Speaker 2: are really just snakes.
Speaker 1: Which is people with snakes on their hands. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be so good. And then I can mex neck,
Speaker 1: which is again one of my favorite things to say
Speaker 1: in magic. It's almost as much fun as looking at
Speaker 1: the top card of my library. Anytime I go Mex's
Speaker 1: neck and everybody goes, what the hell is that I
Speaker 1: want to make a snake?
Speaker 2: Get it? Yeah, yeah, okay, that's fun, and.
Speaker 1: Then other people say it and it's a really good time.
Speaker 1: The point is I like this card lots, I like
Speaker 1: the art on it, I like what it does. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping I can source one, but man like, I think
Speaker 1: that's actually gonna make my oops All death Touch deck
Speaker 1: a little bit more synergistic than before when it was
Speaker 1: a Karth the Lyon Planeswalker theme in there. And now
Speaker 1: it's like the Fyrexians from All will be one because
Speaker 1: I wanted to play Glyssa and now I'll actually have
Speaker 1: something that just does the death touch thing and gives
Speaker 1: me kind of a win condition on the back of
Speaker 1: my little dudes, because most death touch guys except for
Speaker 1: like gets rock Monster real small.
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I have a question for you, okay, and in
Speaker 2: this very limited example of your Gulgary Snake and Gorgon deck, yeah,
Speaker 2: the answer is no, and you like it. But in
Speaker 2: the greater Magic sphere, in the Greater Magic Universe, for Commander,
Speaker 2: does having hybrid manna symbols in the text box of
Speaker 2: legendary creatures? Is that help or does that hurt the card?
Speaker 2: And is that good or bad for magic in general?
Speaker 1: I think it helps because it helps. I think if
Speaker 1: this was just a mono black card, I think it
Speaker 1: would be overshadowed fairly quickly. I think that the green
Speaker 1: in this particular case helps. And I think on a
Speaker 1: card that's either situational, man intensive, maybe even difficult to play,
Speaker 1: adding that extra colored pip just makes the card a
Speaker 1: little better, think fellm of Haven would right.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: He added the black in the text box, so you
Speaker 1: can play like the one black Fungus but also just
Speaker 1: black cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If this was just black, you can get access to
Speaker 1: the green stuff, which is more death touch, and I
Speaker 1: think that that helps overall. But in Jumpstart you have
Speaker 1: it like this, you can play it in your mono
Speaker 1: black deck if you want so, I dig it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you open a second pack that has
Speaker 2: green in it, you can still activate its ability with
Speaker 2: the green side of Jumpstart pack that you get. Correct.
Speaker 2: This is the other side of it, and you put
Speaker 2: up all those great points. Yeah. The other side of
Speaker 2: it is if I have a deck already that doesn't
Speaker 2: have green in it, or maybe my maybe I'm like
Speaker 2: a real Cco hipster and I've got like a demere
Speaker 2: blue and black snake deck or or a gorgon deck
Speaker 2: that's got blue and black in it. Sure, I don't
Speaker 2: know why anybody would have that. It's poor example in
Speaker 2: this exact case, but let's pretend that that's the example. Now,
Speaker 2: I can't play this right, right, And do I switch
Speaker 2: to damny a sage of stone to do like Sulti
Speaker 2: gorgons now, or do I change my demeir Gorgon's deck,
Speaker 2: which is kind of maybe a deck that is predicated
Speaker 2: on my identity as like a fringe brewer, to something
Speaker 2: that is the same thing as everybody else is going
Speaker 2: to print or build because they gave it to me
Speaker 2: right here, they said, gorgons and snakes in this color combination,
Speaker 2: and this is what they want me to play, right,
Speaker 2: And it takes it takes like it extracts the hipster
Speaker 2: out of what I'm trying to do. Or hold on
Speaker 2: a second, or does it make the hipster build demere
Speaker 2: gorgans that much cooler now? Yeah, and thereby making it
Speaker 2: even more of a positive because I'm dis distinctly going
Speaker 2: against the grain of what this wants me to do. That, yes,
Speaker 2: I suppose that's the optimists or the pessimist's view of it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It depends on how you look at it. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Also, if you were building like Mono black oops all
Speaker 1: death Touch, for example, you could still have this be
Speaker 1: the commander of that deck. You just don't have to
Speaker 1: play green. You could have not a single forest and
Speaker 1: not a single green creature in the whole deck and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even notice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know what's funny about about that is
Speaker 2: in two years from now, when eighty six different sets
Speaker 2: have come out and there's been ten more snakes printed
Speaker 2: with death Touch in green and black, that's right, right,
Speaker 2: you could say I play a Felly of Viper Whisperer
Speaker 2: Mono Black, and people would be like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is that? What is the deck is that? I don't
Speaker 2: know what deck that is? Nobody would know what you're doing, right.
Speaker 1: You know what would be fun is the player in
Speaker 1: Mono just do monogreen with just some blacks that you
Speaker 1: can play her.
Speaker 2: Mmmm. That'd be good. That'd be good too. Who's your
Speaker 2: next thing?
Speaker 1: I want to stop?
Speaker 2: I want to just touch on this one super fast.
Speaker 1: Sure, Bruilos of Fairies band. Sure, because it's a it
Speaker 1: does simmic bullshit. It says simic right on the card,
Speaker 1: but it's just mono.
Speaker 2: Green power and toughness each equal to the number of
Speaker 2: lands you control starstar for five, so it's five to
Speaker 2: five for five. Let's say that's fine. And then also
Speaker 2: when it attacks draw card and then play a.
Speaker 1: Land, why isn't that green and blue? It's that's what
Speaker 1: simic does. That's the semic ability.
Speaker 2: I like that it doesn't have blue in it.
Speaker 1: It's just putting blue into green. Dogs and cats living
Speaker 1: together mass hysteria.
Speaker 2: Yes, very much so I do like that it doesn't
Speaker 2: have blue in it. So if you did want power
Speaker 2: and toughness equal to number of lands, that's a very
Speaker 2: green thing. But if I want to also do the
Speaker 2: Tattiova thing, but have it attached to being aggressive instead
Speaker 2: of trying to value in combo like Tattiova does, I
Speaker 2: want my Tattoover to be aggressive. But because I take
Speaker 2: the trade off in the big Commander in the command zone,
Speaker 2: I don't get blue. I think that this card is
Speaker 2: actually kind of smart.
Speaker 1: It's cool, but it's still.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't fucking play tattoo over then bitch can't good?
Speaker 1: Not big enough?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it's got blue in it? Too small too, Comboy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 1: I want to play big beatskay.
Speaker 2: Speaking of big beats, Okay, I've got I've got a
Speaker 2: couple on this line here, a lend A Saint of Dusk.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you were gonna like this.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I like it it. I have
Speaker 2: an a lend Of deck, one of my long standing
Speaker 2: decks and quite powerful, very resilient. I bring it to
Speaker 2: all the conventions I go to because it kind of
Speaker 2: plays at any power level. It's got combo, it's got
Speaker 2: big stuff, it's got big mana, and it's got lots
Speaker 2: of recursion and resilience in case I'm playing like control
Speaker 2: heavy meta, lots of rats and stuff. Right, sure, this
Speaker 2: not that at all? No, No, this is a four
Speaker 2: to four for four So already fine. If you're playing
Speaker 2: Foundations Limited like I've touched on multiple times, wanting to
Speaker 2: do lifelink hexper from instance, pretty good, sure, pretty freaking good.
Speaker 2: Is as long as your life total is higher than
Speaker 2: your starting life total, it gets plus one, so it's
Speaker 2: a five to five life linking pro instance. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: alenda gets an additional plus five.
Speaker 1: It also gets menace if your life total is above your.
Speaker 2: Sure starting life. Sure, so it ain't getting blocked. Yes,
Speaker 2: it gets an additional plus five plus five if your
Speaker 2: life total is ten greater than your starting life total,
Speaker 2: so then it becomes a ten ten, which is fine. Sure,
Speaker 2: I like it in the Oorzov life gain deck. Sure,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the de facto Orozov life gain
Speaker 2: deck because already Tasa double dies, triggers or whatever exists.
Speaker 1: There's too many other things in that space that already exists.
Speaker 1: This is more aggressive than that.
Speaker 2: This is more aggressive. And I think you harness and
Speaker 2: leverage life gain, and you do that in Orozov primarily.
Speaker 2: But this deck is not the Aristocrat deck, which I've
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that we're not. And you've had the
Speaker 2: game where you sit down totally coincidentally flip over your
Speaker 2: commanders every like all four players playing Aristocrats.
Speaker 1: It was three Aristocrats decks and clones, so I was
Speaker 1: also playing Aristocrats.
Speaker 2: Right, And and this is very much not the Oris
Speaker 2: of Aristocrats deck, though it cares about life gain. Again,
Speaker 2: just a little bit of an interesting design on the commander,
Speaker 2: even though I already know what goes in, like Tree
Speaker 2: of Tradition switching life totals and the guy that says
Speaker 2: switch your life total and his power right from Dominaria. Sure,
Speaker 2: so I like that one. I like the next one,
Speaker 2: Everyth Viceroy of Plunder.
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna like this one, and then
Speaker 1: I was fine on it and just moved along.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I'll give it a read. It's got a
Speaker 2: little bit of a novel. It's black two vampire soldier,
Speaker 2: relevant creature types flying to two sacrifice another article fact
Speaker 2: or creature put a plus one plus one counter on Evyth.
Speaker 2: If the sacrifice permanent was a treasure, Everyth gains lifelink
Speaker 2: until and a turn. Activate only as a sorcery when
Speaker 2: Everyth dies, you could pay here. It is ractose hybrid
Speaker 2: and one. When you do everytheels damage equal to its
Speaker 2: power to each opponent. That's like sort of fling. Sure,
Speaker 2: but you have to make it die somehow, which is fine.
Speaker 2: You're playing ractose, just fucking just kill it, yeah, and
Speaker 2: then it flings. It goes right alongside. We talked about
Speaker 2: Imskar iron Beater. Remember it was kind of like the
Speaker 2: Ractose fling deck. She could just go into that deck,
Speaker 2: yes really, or she could be the helm of that deck,
Speaker 2: And I love when that kind of thing happens, because
Speaker 2: I could say I'm gonna play everyth today or I'm
Speaker 2: gonna play Imbscure today and have a build, have your
Speaker 2: build situated in a way where the deck functions with
Speaker 2: either command or in the command zone. Sure, I think
Speaker 2: that that's cool because it lets you spice up your
Speaker 2: your deck arsenal without putting in like extra work once
Speaker 2: the deck is built. For people who have not twenty
Speaker 2: nine decks like Brando or sixteen decks like me, you
Speaker 2: could have two decks kind of in one, and I
Speaker 2: think that's a great way to keep the game affordable
Speaker 2: for yourself and give yourself kind of that unique gameplay
Speaker 2: experience by swappable legends.
Speaker 1: I dig that. See when I wanted to do that,
Speaker 1: I had to build Norn and Norn. So now I
Speaker 1: have Bad Norn and like new Noran. He does the
Speaker 1: same thing, just worse. That's okay, but hey, now we
Speaker 1: can do it all in one deck.
Speaker 2: That gives you. That gives you a different experience though,
Speaker 2: because you could play the deck at different power kind
Speaker 2: of ranges, right, super casual or like something that's a
Speaker 2: little bit more controlly. Grinding nice staxy. Hey, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. We're gonna talk about this guy. Hell yeah,
Speaker 2: we are fumuless.
Speaker 1: The infestation is a legendary creature vampire insect two for four.
Speaker 1: Those are all over the place flying death touch, so
Speaker 1: we already like that. Whenever a player sacrifices a non
Speaker 1: token creature, we get a one to one black bug
Speaker 1: creature token with flying I know it's insect. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say buggy why In a second next line of text says,
Speaker 1: whenever a bug, leech, slug, or worm you control, the
Speaker 1: tax defending player loses a life, we gain a life.
Speaker 1: This card likes bug and slug, bug and slug. You
Speaker 1: know what makes bug and slug box rail makes bug
Speaker 1: and slug baby.
Speaker 2: So this is a ninety nine in talk show.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely it is.
Speaker 2: I love it for being at the head of its own.
Speaker 1: Deck for slug, like for slug, and not just bug,
Speaker 1: but like worms and all those weird creatures that you're.
Speaker 2: Doing never really had a home in a deck, right, Like,
Speaker 2: this is the deck for that if that's what you
Speaker 2: want to do. And I like insect, I like leech,
Speaker 2: get your alabaster leeches, get your androdite leeches or whatever
Speaker 2: from invasion. Those cards suck, but now they.
Speaker 1: Have a home and they're white.
Speaker 2: What's the black one? There was one in every color,
Speaker 2: I don't remember, Obsidian leech, Jade leach, which one is jade?
Speaker 2: Jade's the green one? Yeah. Anyways, it gives you a
Speaker 2: place for those cards that never really had a home.
Speaker 2: And sure you could make an insect deck with you know,
Speaker 2: your insect commander like masare exactly and sure you get
Speaker 2: green in that spot. Great, but you're also playing Mazarek.
Speaker 2: I like this fricking guy. I'm gonna I'm gonna say it,
Speaker 2: I like this guy in a stacks list because I
Speaker 2: can just make my opponents sacrifice creatures. I'm gonna play
Speaker 2: all the edicts. I'm gonna play all the stuff that
Speaker 2: makes you sack your stuff, and i'm gonna get I'm
Speaker 2: gonna break parody on the on the flesh bag marauders
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna get a guy that's left over from it.
Speaker 1: You can get four guys if you play a fleshbag
Speaker 1: mat four guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's whenever a player, not even an opponent, right.
Speaker 1: So assuming everybody sacks non token creature. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: four flyers for one shitty removals.
Speaker 2: And what I like even more is a lot of
Speaker 2: edict effects, like diabolic edict for example, from tempest is
Speaker 2: an instant, so I can do it on your turn,
Speaker 2: and then when I untap, my guy has virtual haste. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I can because it flies probably get in
Speaker 2: with impunity and make you lose life thereby lowering the
Speaker 2: life total. Or if I'm playing the black card draw
Speaker 2: that makes me lose life, I'm breaking or creating parody
Speaker 2: with my virtual haste bugs that bring your life total
Speaker 2: down to where mine is. I like this card lots
Speaker 2: for all of those reasons. Let's talk about the art
Speaker 2: for one moment.
Speaker 1: Sure, looking at this picture, is he giant or are
Speaker 1: the little bugs just little?
Speaker 2: That's not what I thought you were gonna ask me. Now.
Speaker 1: The perspective there to me is because they're like way
Speaker 1: in the background there's a cave, But like, is he
Speaker 1: really really big? And then the other bugs are regular
Speaker 1: sized or is he a regular sized bug and all
Speaker 1: those other bugs are.
Speaker 2: Just very small? I'm going to assume that he is
Speaker 2: a big, but not a giant. I think he's the
Speaker 2: size of a small dog. I guess which you would
Speaker 2: make him a giant bug?
Speaker 1: Well, that would be a giant I mean not if
Speaker 1: you live in Australia. Right, that's like a regular sized
Speaker 1: blog to everybody.
Speaker 2: In the nation who is in Australia. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know if they have bugs?
Speaker 1: Are that big?
Speaker 2: Orer if you can ride bug? Oh you know what,
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize. He's also a vampire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, relevant creature.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I like this card even more now, this
Speaker 2: is really good and looking at we downloaded the big
Speaker 2: art crop from scry Fall. The way that it's done
Speaker 2: and the line work makes it look I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: just like one percent cartoony. Yeah, very old school traditional fantasy,
Speaker 2: like from twenty years ago, twenty five, thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Magic art of the anime. I really like from Jumpstart.
Speaker 1: That one I keep forgetting is a Jumpstart car it
Speaker 1: Actually it looks too much like a magic card to me.
Speaker 2: Oh look at the bum token he makes. That's cool.
Speaker 2: That's from that's from Ammon Kit. Oh well that's also cool.
Speaker 1: It's also good. It's still good, but sixteen bucks give
Speaker 1: me a break. Okay, everybody shut up for a second.
Speaker 1: Because it's time. It's time to talk about the fucking man.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're a man. I think it
Speaker 1: might be a little girl. But the point is we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about General Crete the bolt Bringer.
Speaker 2: This is what people say you yes.
Speaker 1: All the time. I got mistaken by Woody at work
Speaker 1: and he thought that he went into the ladies bathroom
Speaker 1: because I was standing there washing my hands, and he
Speaker 1: walked it up, sorry, and he left. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I'm very broad. I'm very man.
Speaker 2: Only where it counts, that's right.
Speaker 1: The point is General Creek the bolt Bringer baby is
Speaker 1: a two two four red two goblin yea soldier. Whenever
Speaker 1: one or more goblins we control the attack, we get
Speaker 1: a one to one red goblin creature that's tapped and attack,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. And also whenever another creature we control enters,
Speaker 1: there's one damage to each opponent.
Speaker 2: Each opponent, each of that impact impact tremors.
Speaker 1: That's a goblin that makes goblins. This is my favorite one.
Speaker 2: Period and it's legendary, so you could build a deck
Speaker 2: around it theoretically.
Speaker 1: Straight into Norain.
Speaker 2: Do you think that when you open a Jumpstart pack,
Speaker 2: the pack the indicator card on the front that tells
Speaker 2: you what deck you got says Goblins.
Speaker 1: It goddamn better it does, so I'll be extra excited
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna get extra Goblin stuff.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just like the The implications of what
Speaker 1: that card does are obvious. We don't need to go
Speaker 1: super deep into what it does. But I like the picture.
Speaker 1: I liked that it goes in my favorite deck. I
Speaker 1: like that it's going to go into some other decks
Speaker 1: if I can find a couple of them. I really
Speaker 1: really really like that card.
Speaker 2: I wish and this this is a minor gripe, and
Speaker 2: I might be the only one, but I bet you
Speaker 2: I'm not. I wish that they did have the Jumpstart
Speaker 2: legends in normal art in Foundations the set me Too,
Speaker 2: instead of just the anime versions only in jump Starts,
Speaker 2: Me Too, Jumpies, if you will. That would make them
Speaker 2: cost less. Yep. I would like that. Yep. And I
Speaker 2: like that too because if you're a baller or you
Speaker 2: like that artist because you read you know, manga or
Speaker 2: whatever that they that they draw for, then you can
Speaker 2: get that one. Yeah, and more options is more better,
Speaker 2: as we say in CCIO Nation.
Speaker 1: Or you can get ball Yeah.
Speaker 2: We do like that. Who else do you like on
Speaker 2: this line? Anybody?
Speaker 1: Nobody on that line? Okay, sat, next line. There is
Speaker 1: one that I want to touch on real quick. We
Speaker 1: talked about it on the pre show.
Speaker 2: Is it Kellen Plainer Trailblazer?
Speaker 1: That card can take a long walk off a short peer.
Speaker 1: That guy sucks.
Speaker 2: Man, he's kind of a thirst trap.
Speaker 1: Hey, he's kind of a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Is it kai kr zephyr Awakener?
Speaker 1: That guy is just shitty, Kai Car, I am.
Speaker 2: I am disappointed in that. I wish it. It gave
Speaker 2: me birds, it gives spirit. Is it? It must be
Speaker 2: Kiura The Rising Time.
Speaker 1: You know that one can bite my ball sack too.
Speaker 2: I like the art on that one.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 2: I like that art. Oh, it must be Coma World Eater,
Speaker 2: Coma World Beater Baby.
Speaker 1: Yes, now, this is as I said on the pre show,
Speaker 1: fixed Coma. Yes, this is They looked at Coma Cosmo
Speaker 1: Serpent and thought, man, this is this is this We've
Speaker 1: done fucked up, guys. Let's let's just print another coma
Speaker 1: that sort of does the same thing but isn't as good,
Speaker 1: and see if anybody noticed.
Speaker 2: Let's print a coma that's like eighty five percent is good.
Speaker 2: And we noticed wizards. We know, so you think this
Speaker 2: card's good.
Speaker 1: Nobody is gonna come off of Coma to play this Coma.
Speaker 1: This is a great card.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a read. It's an eight twelve
Speaker 2: serpent for blue, blue, green, green three. That's seven right,
Speaker 2: An eight power seven can't be countered trample ward four
Speaker 2: when it deals combat damage to a player. Fuck off,
Speaker 2: create four three three blue serpent creature tokens named Coma's coil,
Speaker 2: so hit with Koma mech force neck.
Speaker 1: I like that it.
Speaker 2: I like that it gives you the same token.
Speaker 1: It gives the same token and the same number of
Speaker 1: tokens that you would have. Yep, but you gotta like
Speaker 1: do things, and the tokens don't let you remove your
Speaker 1: opponent's stuff from play kind of or make her indestructible.
Speaker 1: So it's just not as good at the same man
Speaker 1: of value.
Speaker 2: And I does this Cooma go in your Coma deck?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it in the Koma deck because it's a.
Speaker 2: Coma just for like completionism.
Speaker 1: It doesn't, but I'm gonna find one and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play it in my deck.
Speaker 2: I like how you can. I like, how if somebody
Speaker 2: does manage to eliminate your commander from the game to
Speaker 2: putting presidents in the moon to make it into a
Speaker 2: tree or something right, And then you're like, ah, that's funny,
Speaker 2: coma world leader.
Speaker 1: I'll play Koma two.
Speaker 2: Koma two, you like gonna die? Can't be freaking countered?
Speaker 1: What get when?
Speaker 2: Was?
Speaker 1: I was playing my Wolfguard deck one time and I
Speaker 1: played a like ulla Mag won and killed somebody shit,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh no, Ullamog and the whole team
Speaker 1: gathered together to kill Ullamag And then I played the
Speaker 1: next turn. It came back around to me and I
Speaker 1: played the new one that removes somebody's deck from the game,
Speaker 1: and it's like a forty to forty with an Nihilator
Speaker 1: one hundred, and the one guy was a, oh, that's worse.
Speaker 2: That's way where. It's just the next week we got
Speaker 2: to remember to talk about the the extended art treatments
Speaker 2: of legends and cards, because they they're all so cool,
Speaker 2: they're so nice, they're so very nice. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 2: I hate I hate saying things like wats he pulled
Speaker 2: out all the stops on this one. But the art's cool, man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they pull out all the stops and there's beautiful
Speaker 2: art on all the cards in every set. Like we're
Speaker 2: blessed to be able to play the game that has
Speaker 2: all of the best fantasy artists in the world doing
Speaker 2: all of the art for the game, right, Yes, but
Speaker 2: this set just happens to have a whole bunch that
Speaker 2: appealed to me. Yeah, just just artistically. I think that
Speaker 2: that's cool.
Speaker 1: Let's do that. I've been noticing the lots on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I want to do it here on the show with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about Loot for one second. I hate this.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the card does. That's not what's
Speaker 1: important Loot. Is he a cute mascot or a creepy mascot?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Is he yes, a care bear? Or is he gritty?
Speaker 1: I can't think of a cute sports mascot.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, so I'd use.
Speaker 1: A care bear.
Speaker 2: Sure, he's kind of got those those eyes that are
Speaker 2: that are.
Speaker 1: Right like he's he No, he looks psychotic.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a I'm gonna make a Saskatchewan rough
Speaker 2: Rider's reference that I know that you're gonna get. Okay,
Speaker 2: is he the old gainer the gopher or is he
Speaker 2: the new gonna know about what that is?
Speaker 1: Hopefully joke and find a picture and put him on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the old one was so cute, and then and
Speaker 2: he wrote around in the back of that truck when
Speaker 2: they scored a touchdown. And the new one is just
Speaker 2: like just gonna murder you in your sleep, just coked
Speaker 2: out and insane.
Speaker 1: It's man, have you heard about cocaine?
Speaker 2: Yes? I have the wrestler yes, oh okay, and he
Speaker 2: and his finishing move as the coke slam. Oh, yes,
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: That's okay, I love it. Let's continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lute, I think he's creepy. Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 2: a creepy guy too.
Speaker 1: Let us know in the comments if you think Lute
Speaker 1: cute or creepy.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about these two in a row
Speaker 2: here near div Devious Diver.
Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna like that one. I like
Speaker 1: it too, for.
Speaker 2: The reasons you're gonna read on the card near div
Speaker 2: Devious Diver. I love the name. I love alliteration. This
Speaker 2: is this is NDD. But that div at the end
Speaker 2: is like a stressed syllable, so it sounds like it's
Speaker 2: a triple D dev div yep okay, I like that one.
Speaker 2: And it's a merpho rogue, both relevant creature types two
Speaker 2: two for three. When it becomes tapped, target player mills
Speaker 2: cards equal to its power. Like that one, so you
Speaker 2: tap it and mill. It's great. And when you cast
Speaker 2: a spell from your graveyard or activate an ability of
Speaker 2: a card in your graveyard, draw a card and put
Speaker 2: a plus one on near dev near div near DEVEV.
Speaker 2: I don't know, neardive and you know what dare I say?
Speaker 2: I like the art on this card. Me too. I
Speaker 2: like this one.
Speaker 1: It's a little cutesy, but I do like it.
Speaker 2: It is a little cutesy, but I like the color scheme.
Speaker 2: I like the greens and the oranges and the dark blues. Anyways,
Speaker 2: this card is cool. It goes alongside your what's the
Speaker 2: guy from Crimson Valve that says instance and sorceries in
Speaker 2: your graveyard have flashback and spells can't be countered. Yes,
Speaker 2: that guy goes in this deck or this guy goes
Speaker 2: in that deck either or and target player mills cards.
Speaker 2: This makes me want to mill them so I can
Speaker 2: flash them back.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a self Mill flashback deck.
Speaker 1: That's why I liked that, so I thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna like it too.
Speaker 2: It's like you, it's a.
Speaker 1: Mill deck, but you're milling yourself. And as your deck
Speaker 1: does the thing, your deck is more equipped and better
Speaker 1: able to do its thing. And I likes stuff that.
Speaker 1: It's not a here's how to do it card. It's
Speaker 1: a hey, you guys want to do this, We're going
Speaker 1: to enable.
Speaker 2: It for you. Yes. I like that, Hey, you guys
Speaker 2: want to do this thing, But traditionally you have to
Speaker 2: do it in green and black or mono black. Let's
Speaker 2: let's put the mill word on it, but and make
Speaker 2: it mono frickin' blue. Yeah, but you're doing it to yourself,
Speaker 2: so I can traumatize myself because it's target player.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And if I play the flashback deck, I think I
Speaker 2: think that guy's name is Lear sure, the one from
Speaker 2: Crimson boor Midnight Hunt. If that's in there, and I
Speaker 2: can get it back, or if that's what my commander is,
Speaker 2: and I can just give the stuff in my graveyard
Speaker 2: flashback and I pair it with things like snapcast or
Speaker 2: mage and and all of the dejau vous effects that
Speaker 2: let me get instance, and sorceries. Just buy them back
Speaker 2: from my graver, Just get them back. I think this
Speaker 2: is like a blue deck that kind of feels like
Speaker 2: a black deck, and and I don't know, I just
Speaker 2: I like it. And there's things in blue that say
Speaker 2: when you cast from graveyard draw card. Yeah, those are
Speaker 2: also from in Astrade and have cool art you could
Speaker 2: in some way combo with this and mill your whole
Speaker 2: library and yeah, like do the Labman Thasis oracle thing,
Speaker 2: you could do that. Yeah, So lots of different little
Speaker 2: builds with this and great art, relevant creature types if
Speaker 2: you want it in a morpholk or like a party
Speaker 2: deck because it's a rogue.
Speaker 1: And then we have NIV misit twenty five. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is so sick of this fucking guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, Flying five five for six Dragon, no max hand size.
Speaker 2: It's fine, this card has no business being mythic. If
Speaker 2: that's the end of it. But whenever a source you
Speaker 2: control deals damage to an opponent, draw that many cards. Sure,
Speaker 2: what the hell? Earthquake for ten, I'm gonna draw thirty?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You come on, you like that? I do you like that?
Speaker 2: But I'll just Earthquake for ten and win Chris Ralph.
Speaker 1: Fuck this guy. Man. We we all banded together and
Speaker 1: we got them to kill Jase and made him make
Speaker 1: him look like a fucking asshole in the process. Yes,
Speaker 1: we need to band together. Niv's next. I'm so sick
Speaker 1: of seeing this motherfucker in every set. I'm tired of
Speaker 1: his ass, get rid of him. WATSI I want his
Speaker 1: head on a stick.
Speaker 2: We've given you lots of ideas for products over the
Speaker 2: years that you've used.
Speaker 1: The next card I want is NIV miss it on
Speaker 1: a stick. That's what I want, And I want there
Speaker 1: to be some asshole comic work in his mouth like
Speaker 1: a puppet. Well he talks about it's old. Box Bull
Speaker 1: comes back, Yeah, amer Cool comes back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got this. Oh sorry, I bumped Mike. I
Speaker 2: got this. Remember we were talking about the Unbanned game
Speaker 2: the other day. We're unbanned Amol the Eons torn in
Speaker 2: Commander Van NIV miss and then use all of the
Speaker 2: tentacle Americols tentacles to work freaking NIV missit like a marionette. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be some badass ship. That would also be good.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you gotta give him a full front of
Speaker 1: the botomy first, I'm so sick of this.
Speaker 2: God damn it. You know what your your your theory
Speaker 2: of getting Jason MTG canceled? Yeah, bolds well for nim
Speaker 2: misit being canceled. But he very much is the face
Speaker 2: card in anything that he's involved in. Any trip to Ravnica,
Speaker 2: you know, nim misit's going to be there, any dragon thing,
Speaker 2: you know, nim misit's going to be there because he's
Speaker 2: like the cool dragon that all the fantasy and dragon
Speaker 2: people love. Right, Yeah, let's talk about Uh, you.
Speaker 1: Want to talk I know you want to talk about
Speaker 1: the starfish. I know you do.
Speaker 2: I just want to acknowledge the starfish riding a turtle.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all I want. I wish I wish
Speaker 2: there was Crabs in there somewhere. I want to play
Speaker 2: this in my Crabs deck. I think I probably still will.
Speaker 2: Don't know if I will. I might, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably will. I want to talk about Ozaks, the clattering
Speaker 2: king that. Okay, does that just go infinite with a
Speaker 2: sack out lid? No kind of a does it? Uh?
Speaker 2: It goes infinite with a sack outlet and a lurin.
Speaker 2: But we just broke a Lurren. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we broke a lurin down.
Speaker 2: When it dies, you get another skeleton, and when that
Speaker 2: skeleton dies, you get ozos back into your hand. Yes,
Speaker 2: so if you can free cast ozox like with a
Speaker 2: lurin with a lurin and you could just yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but it is Mono black. She can't play a lurreen
Speaker 2: in its deck. How do you do this? How do
Speaker 2: you make this guy monol black infinite? I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: a way to do it. I don't care. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's a way. What's your next one?
Speaker 1: My next one is down one row and it's right
Speaker 1: next to I think what.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be your favorite one? Yes, this is my act.
Speaker 1: This is I actually I'm gonna build her if I
Speaker 1: can get one. I like rev tithe extractor. You build this.
Speaker 1: She's got like she's like a cool looking lady in
Speaker 1: the art. It's a three three for four. I've been
Speaker 1: wanting to build this deck for a long time. I
Speaker 1: think that this. I think this is the card that's
Speaker 1: gonna make me do it. And we're gonna talk. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna mention tiny bones right now because he goes in
Speaker 1: the deck with her.
Speaker 2: Yep, but read rev first, she.
Speaker 1: Says, whenever we attack target creature, gainst death touch until
Speaker 1: end of turn. Okay, could give it to one of
Speaker 1: our opponents creatures if we wanted to, but we won't.
Speaker 1: Whenever one or more creatures we controlled, you'll combat damage
Speaker 1: to a player created treasure token. Then look at the
Speaker 1: top card of that player's library exilet face down. We
Speaker 1: can play it and man as long as it remains exiled. Sure,
Speaker 1: so it lets us draw cards off of our opponent's decks.
Speaker 2: This is literally black regavan, right, yes, okay, yeah, just
Speaker 2: so everybody's aware.
Speaker 1: And what I want to do is I wanted to
Speaker 1: build the black deck that didn't have blue in it.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have blue in it. I wanted
Speaker 1: a mono black deck that essentially draws cards off of
Speaker 1: my opponent's deck. And I think this is the best
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: So And Ganti wasn't it for you?
Speaker 1: No, No, Ganty Ganty is Ganty Ganhys. Ganti is the
Speaker 1: Gaunty Stigma. And I don't think this is going to
Speaker 1: have the same kind of distaste.
Speaker 2: It's only one card instead of Ganty's what.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just I think this is better. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be over time and it gives me man out
Speaker 1: to play them. I'm I'm excited for REV and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna build R.
Speaker 1: I even picked up which deck I'm going to disassemble
Speaker 1: to build.
Speaker 2: Do you have a mono black deck?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 2: Yes, Herobi Oh yes, that's right. And Herobi's not coming
Speaker 2: apart to build.
Speaker 1: This, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: What are you taking apart?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take apart my girl stax deck.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I want to talk about the next two,
Speaker 2: and I think they're kind of the last sort of
Speaker 2: the last two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to well, let's just do Tiny
Speaker 1: Bones fast because I just wanted to mention him in REV.
Speaker 1: Tiny Bones Babble Burglar is a one to three for
Speaker 1: black one skeleton rogue. Whenever an opponent discards a card,
Speaker 1: exile it from their graveyard with a stash counter on it.
Speaker 1: During our turn, we can play cards we don't own
Speaker 1: with stash counters on them from exile and man have
Speaker 1: any color can be spent to cast them, and you
Speaker 1: can pay four and tap him.
Speaker 2: Each opponent discards card at sorcery speed. So that is REV.
Speaker 2: But instead of top of deck. It's from hand, yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so they go together.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna draw cards from your deck. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: draw cards from your hand, and then I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: draw any cards from my deck. I'm gonna have no
Speaker 1: cards that say draw card on them.
Speaker 2: Okay, only from you. And that goes in the ninety
Speaker 2: nine of rev Correct in my review. I've got a
Speaker 2: ninety nine er here. Then i'll do the last two
Speaker 2: that I want to talk about for leaders. Okay, I've
Speaker 2: got zule ass hurt lich Lord. Yeah yeah, see I
Speaker 2: did a brando there, they did some brando. Okay. So
Speaker 2: it's got ward pay two life two two for two,
Speaker 2: so already good. Zombie warlock already good. Yep, it's it's
Speaker 2: both a a bad guy yep. No, what's what's bad guy?
Speaker 1: Outlaw?
Speaker 2: Outlaw? It's an outlaw and a zombie yep. War pay
Speaker 2: two life and you can tap it to cast target
Speaker 2: zombie card from your graveyard. This turn creature card. Yes important.
Speaker 1: There are typo spells, uh whatever they're called?
Speaker 2: Now are they are? There? Are there zombie ones? I
Speaker 2: think there are? I thought they were. Ah, there will
Speaker 2: be there probably is.
Speaker 1: By the time this comes out, a new set will
Speaker 1: be spoiled and there for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so I can cast a zombie from my graveyard. Yes.
Speaker 2: The only thing that would have made this card better
Speaker 2: if it is if it said zombies you control get
Speaker 2: plus one plus one all be still my aching heart.
Speaker 2: But this is good because it allows you to, I
Speaker 2: don't know, in your zombie deck, go Gray Merchant of Asphodel,
Speaker 2: sacrifice tap zill As hurt, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, so
Speaker 2: you can like double your Gary's Yes, yes, very good, Yes,
Speaker 2: Gary good, very.
Speaker 1: Good, Yes, Gary good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to bring it. We got to a
Speaker 2: Gray Merchant of Asphadel for producer Gary, and he can
Speaker 2: hang it up in the in the studio. Get a
Speaker 2: big card. I want a big big card. Gary be good,
Speaker 2: big Gary'd be good?
Speaker 1: Which art would you get? I like the one carrying
Speaker 1: the big sack.
Speaker 2: That's the one I like? Yeah, yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 2: I love a big sack every now and then. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: my last two? Which one? Which one do you want
Speaker 2: me to start with? What?
Speaker 1: I like this one too, Let's do it last?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, everything about this card is just I love it.
Speaker 1: This one also wins Funniest art of the This one.
Speaker 2: Will be the winning cause play in Las Vegas. Yes,
Speaker 2: shrewfless Sproutsire okay, shroompuss shrufless shad Sire is a is
Speaker 2: a legendary creature sapriling, the first one ever.
Speaker 1: He is the first legendary sapplinger.
Speaker 2: Was a yeah, a one one for green two so
Speaker 2: it's very attainable. One one trample, so you know this
Speaker 2: is gonna be good. Yes, fuck yeah, one one the
Speaker 2: trample that doesn't even have a plus one ability. No, okay,
Speaker 2: so this guy's.
Speaker 1: A goof already, doesn't get bigger on his own.
Speaker 2: Whenever a saperlink you control deals combat damage to a player,
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm gonna have ten of them and
Speaker 2: you don't have ten blockers, I'm gonna create another saper link.
Speaker 2: So this, provided you have no blockers, is a token
Speaker 2: doubler in your command zone. Yes, this is cool. And
Speaker 2: all of the token doublers that we really care about
Speaker 2: are in Mono green yep. All of the plus one
Speaker 2: doubler because you know this guy has trample and maybe
Speaker 2: you'll do some plus one stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe are in Green do you mean to tell me, dude,
Speaker 1: the doubling season might be good with this guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a good thing. They reprinted in foundations to
Speaker 2: tell you exactly what to do.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: So that would be kadruple tokens for those keeping track
Speaker 2: at home. All of the all of the second Harvest,
Speaker 2: parallel evolution, sapreling burst, spontaneous generation.
Speaker 1: Sproutswarm, all of those.
Speaker 2: Cards are in Mono green, and sure, say what you
Speaker 2: want about Celesnia tokens or or Naya saperlings with like
Speaker 2: rith the Awakener or Jetmeir. I've done in the past,
Speaker 2: both of those, both of those. This is mono green,
Speaker 2: goofy ass shit. And you get like one of each
Speaker 2: different weird saperling art from over the years, and you
Speaker 2: lay them all out and say these are my goofy
Speaker 2: frickin' guys. Get Uncle Brando to draw on. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: I like drawing saplings. They're fun because you can draw anything,
Speaker 2: and then nobody would be like that.
Speaker 1: It's not as long as it's sort of a plant,
Speaker 1: it's a saprol.
Speaker 2: You're using infinity tokens. As long as it's green, yeahcause
Speaker 2: you draw green squiggle. This is a blade of grass
Speaker 2: that I've interpreted as a saperlink.
Speaker 1: Well, then you give him some arms with muscles, and
Speaker 1: then a knife.
Speaker 2: I like to give my knife it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where the one power comes from him. Yes, with
Speaker 2: green blood on it because chlorophyll, because you've cut himself
Speaker 2: to show you how tough he is. Yes, truth, man,
Speaker 2: I like that guy.
Speaker 1: I like his hat.
Speaker 2: I like his freaking legs.
Speaker 1: Like because he's not because mushrooms are not saperlings. That
Speaker 1: means he's wearing a mushroom cap as a hat. He
Speaker 1: got six legs and one arm, and a little and
Speaker 1: a little friend who's only got two legs and two arms.
Speaker 2: And he's using his one arm to hold his little
Speaker 2: friend's hand. Yeah, what a great guy, What a good dude.
Speaker 1: He's walking that little guy across the street. What a
Speaker 1: nice little man he is.
Speaker 2: I like, did you notice the other little guy riding
Speaker 2: his hat?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, I did, And now I have, and I'm
Speaker 1: excited about that. I'm gonna try and get one of
Speaker 1: these and run it in tan of the butt sewer,
Speaker 1: just to typically when I attacked with saparlings in that deck.
Speaker 1: That's usually the last time I attack, but maybe it
Speaker 1: won't be. And I'm going to play this card.
Speaker 2: Which I'm saying it. I'm building this guy absolutely all
Speaker 2: of those, all of those Saparlin cards that I had
Speaker 2: named from, like uh, Masks, Block Invasion, Block Odyssey, Block Onslaught,
Speaker 2: Block Time, Spiral BLO, got them all in foil. Baby,
Speaker 2: you know what some.
Speaker 1: Of those are worth than foil, more than they probably
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the spontaneous generation for masks not that much.
Speaker 2: But but the rest of them, Okay, last card, last one,
Speaker 2: last card, And I think we both really like this.
Speaker 1: We're both into this one because it's been a long
Speaker 1: time coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love a long time coming that much.
Speaker 1: And they gave us something really good. It's slimsa the
Speaker 1: Spike Stampede five five for five.
Speaker 2: Like we just can we just can we dwell on
Speaker 2: the alliteration.
Speaker 1: For ends of the Spike Stampede.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah we can?
Speaker 1: Okay, continue top line I think is my favorite part.
Speaker 1: Beast spells you cast cost to less to less. Mind
Speaker 1: you so good each other, Beast you control enters the
Speaker 1: battlefeld with additional pusle plusm counter on it. I don't
Speaker 1: care Whenever Slim or another creature with a power for
Speaker 1: or greater enters the battlefield, you may pay gruel, hybrid
Speaker 1: and one. When you do it fights a creature we
Speaker 1: don't control. Bro So it's removal, it's pomp, it's toss reduction,
Speaker 1: it's everything you want across. One of the most ubiquitous
Speaker 1: creature types in the history of magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so cool. You know what's so funny? From
Speaker 2: from a historical standpoint, beasts have taken a hit in
Speaker 2: recent years, like the like the currency on beasts has
Speaker 2: gone down.
Speaker 1: That's because now they're splice them up into other shit. Yes,
Speaker 1: before anything that had like a big teeth beasts look musty, beastsks,
Speaker 1: beast if it wasn't an elephant, it was a beast.
Speaker 2: Ye And they didn't have the dinosaur creature type except
Speaker 2: for Alisaurus rider beast beast yea, and lots of beasts
Speaker 2: from like Legion Onslaught Day because beast was a creature
Speaker 2: type that Onslaught Block cared about was beast, But lots
Speaker 2: of those got ratted now into dinosaur, which is great
Speaker 2: for the dinosaurs, and their stock has gone up, and
Speaker 2: there's dinosaur decks all over the place. They can drive
Speaker 2: cars even in my imagination, but beasts have kind of
Speaker 2: gotten the big spiky stampede shaft over the last little
Speaker 2: while until now. Yes, And I go back to my
Speaker 2: question French for question yes about hybrid manna symbols in
Speaker 2: the textbox of cards, and this one has it. And
Speaker 2: I think it's a great service for the beast because
Speaker 2: so many of them are in red.
Speaker 1: Yes, Red and green are where they live, but I
Speaker 1: think green is primarily where you find them. That's probably
Speaker 1: why it's going to be in the Beast back in Jumpstart, Yes,
Speaker 1: and then it's got red in there so that once
Speaker 1: you acquire this, you can put it in the Beast
Speaker 1: deck that you've always wanted to build. And while this
Speaker 1: is very and it just tells you what to do
Speaker 1: with it, I think it's something that a lot of
Speaker 1: people have wanted to do for a long time. I
Speaker 1: think I'm pumped that you can finally kind of do
Speaker 1: it and have a dedicated thing to help you do it.
Speaker 2: Yes. To all of that, I will add that this
Speaker 2: card beats, it slaps, it's it's the kind of card
Speaker 2: that gets the new Timmy player exciting. It's a five
Speaker 2: to five for five already good in jump Start. It
Speaker 2: makes my other beasts, you know, like in my Jumpstart
Speaker 2: deck yep cost less or my Commander deck, which I'll
Speaker 2: get to in a second. It makes my other beasts
Speaker 2: hit harder, and it's got removal every step along the way.
Speaker 2: It's it does something that I already want to be doing,
Speaker 2: and with this round of jump Start, more than I
Speaker 2: think any other round of jump Start, this round of
Speaker 2: jump Start distinctly has I think the goal in mind
Speaker 2: for you to take your Jumpstart deck after you've played
Speaker 2: and you say you like magic says to you you
Speaker 2: like Slimsa, go on, edh Reck, go on to scraphall
Speaker 2: or Gatherer, go to Fusion Gaming Online dot com u
Speaker 2: cco holiday promo code and build the Beast Commander deck.
Speaker 2: That's what this jump Start is for. Yes, it's to
Speaker 2: get you in the door and play simple corset fun magic,
Speaker 2: but also take the legend that we gave you and
Speaker 2: build a deck around at mister newplayer, because they're all
Speaker 2: good and they all have decks that could be built
Speaker 2: around them.
Speaker 1: This is one of those times where people say, either
Speaker 1: excitedly or not excitedly, oh, all magic is commander. Now,
Speaker 1: well now they've put it into Jumpstart where it probably
Speaker 1: belonged the whole time. Oh so this is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Like okay, so when you play any jumpies
Speaker 2: throughout the history of Jumpstart, you could say, hey, that
Speaker 2: was fun. I want to build a deck around this.
Speaker 2: Now they're giving you a tool to specifically do that.
Speaker 2: They're giving you the Beast Commander, They're giving you this
Speaker 2: Sapriline commander. They're giving you the murpholk or the mill commander,
Speaker 2: or the Trea your commander, or the Cowards and Bullies,
Speaker 2: Cowards and Warriors commander. They're giving you the tool to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: There's a zombie one, a goblin one, There's a there's
Speaker 1: all sorts of them. There's I love that stupid one.
Speaker 1: There's a bird one. There's a snake one. Well that's
Speaker 1: the snake one is a nin jump Start it neither
Speaker 1: is the stupid one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're still in foundations.
Speaker 1: They're still there.
Speaker 2: Which if you're if you, if you and your parent,
Speaker 2: or if you're a parent, you buy this stuff for
Speaker 2: your kid and you want to like increase their awareness
Speaker 2: about magic. Maybe you buy a booster box of Jumpstart
Speaker 2: and a booster box of Foundations, and you spend two
Speaker 2: hundred bucks or you save five percent using Coco Holiday
Speaker 2: promo code because it's Christmas coming up. That's right. And
Speaker 2: you say, here's the Jumpstart packs. Let's learn and familiarize
Speaker 2: ourselves with magic, and then let's open up this Foundation's
Speaker 2: booster box and make Commander decks out of Jumpstart plus
Speaker 2: booster box. And now I've got two or three or
Speaker 2: maybe even four Commander decks, sick, and I've spent two
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, which is probably less than a set of
Speaker 2: four pre cons of the next set are gonna cost,
Speaker 2: probably right? Are the decks going to be as good? No?
Speaker 2: But when you're learning, and especially if you're playing with kids,
Speaker 2: do you care? Yeah? No, they certainly don't. And it
Speaker 2: goes back to this is the building blocks, and what
Speaker 2: I think we'll talk about next week the new floor
Speaker 2: of Commander. Just like you said that Foundations will be
Speaker 2: the floor of standards power level. I think after reviewing
Speaker 2: the legends again and looking at the set closer, it'll
Speaker 2: be the new floor of Commander. And you can take
Speaker 2: the optimists or the pessimist's kind of viewpoint from that,
Speaker 2: like the God of seven El Dras seven Sire guy,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, if that's the floor, holy fuck,
Speaker 2: we're in for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But when you look at like NEARDIV Devious Diver, it's like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: if that's the floor, we could do we could do
Speaker 2: self mill opponent Mill, I could do lab Maniac. I
Speaker 2: could do all kinds of stuff with that right, loot
Speaker 2: or beast or cooma. Like, there's so many different build paths.
Speaker 2: I actually, the more I look at it, the more
Speaker 2: I like this.
Speaker 1: This is one of those sets. The more you kind
Speaker 1: of just sit with it for a while, it it
Speaker 1: gets better and better each time.
Speaker 2: And I like that about it. It's almost like a
Speaker 2: team of WATSI gaming experts who have dozens and dozens
Speaker 2: and probably combined whole team over hundreds of years of
Speaker 2: experiencing game design. You know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And I sit this, sat down and just did the
Speaker 1: did the right thing.
Speaker 2: This is my final thought of the day, Uncle Brando.
Speaker 1: It was a very good thought. Final thought of the day.
Speaker 1: And you know when we're gonna do another final thought
Speaker 1: of the day.
Speaker 2: On the next episode
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