Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders Midweek Memorial Day edition.
Speaker 2: Or issue as the way you were.
Speaker 1: I'm Heather, I'm Dylan.
Speaker 2: Hey Dylan, you sure do have a lot of issues. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Memorial Day weekends.
Speaker 3: That's right, they have not changed from the last Memorial
Speaker 3: Day weekend.
Speaker 2: Your issues, no, Well, in case you are unaware of
Speaker 2: Memorial Day, maybe you don't live in the United States.
Speaker 2: It is a day for morning the US military personnel
Speaker 2: who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces,
Speaker 2: and it's usually observed on the last Monday of May,
Speaker 2: and it's considered to be the unofficial beginning of summer.
Speaker 2: All right, really kicking off the summer season.
Speaker 3: Well, we most we surely thank them for their service
Speaker 3: because they gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Dylan. A lot of folks take this opportunity to
Speaker 2: spend time with family and friends, cook out, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe try to make a feel good day out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I could see it being the unofficial kickoff
Speaker 3: of summer.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: We're heading in you know, you're heading into the month
Speaker 3: of June and it's gonna start getting hot. It's time
Speaker 3: to go swimming.
Speaker 2: It's already been hot, hit.
Speaker 1: The lake, all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm about to bust a cold pool wide open
Speaker 2: all rights, which should be this weekend. All right, Dylan,
Speaker 2: we have a lot of crime news to get through.
Speaker 2: It's crazy out there. I wanted to lead with this
Speaker 2: story because Wow. All I'm gonna say is wow. A
Speaker 2: thirty one year old man was allegedly seen on camera
Speaker 2: breaking into the Medical Examiner's office in Phoenix, Arizona and
Speaker 2: having sexual contact with several bodies.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: According to KSA Z, officers from the A Maricopa County
Speaker 2: Sheriff's Office responded to a report of a potential bird
Speaker 2: at the medical Examiner's office. Security footage allegedly showed thirty
Speaker 2: one year old Venerous Lou opening eleven different body bags
Speaker 2: and having sexual contact with four deceased bodies.
Speaker 1: My god.
Speaker 2: Authorities found Lou during a search of the building and
Speaker 2: he was taken into custody.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just can't even imagine what drives someone
Speaker 3: to do something like that.
Speaker 2: Court records for the case have been sealed, but according
Speaker 2: to jail records obtained by Ktar, Leu was booked into
Speaker 2: the Maricopa County jail on four counts of necrophilia, one
Speaker 2: count of burglary in, one count of possessing burglary tools,
Speaker 2: one count of criminal damage, and one count of attempting
Speaker 2: to escape from custody.
Speaker 3: And one count of unsealing his penis.
Speaker 2: They are not really releasing in additional details at this time,
Speaker 2: and the sheriff's spokesperson said it was mostly out of
Speaker 2: respect for those potentially impacted and to protect the integrity
Speaker 2: of the investigation. I mean, if that was your loved
Speaker 2: one and they're you know.
Speaker 1: Have been desecrated, the has.
Speaker 2: Been desecrated, yes, I wouldn't want that splashed across headline news.
Speaker 3: Well no, and you know there's many times when it's uh,
Speaker 3: you know information in some some of these cases, I
Speaker 3: don't feel the public needs to know, you know, people look, well,
Speaker 3: we have a right to know, but I mean you
Speaker 3: have to be a decent person about it, and like
Speaker 3: you knowing the needy gritty details of what, who, whose
Speaker 3: remains it was or something like that, I think it's
Speaker 3: really none of your business.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the way I look at it. You
Speaker 1: still can be yeah, absolutely, I'm sensible about it.
Speaker 2: There are certain details don't we don't need to know.
Speaker 3: It doesn't help if the public knows that it can
Speaker 3: only hurt the people impacted or involved.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. His bond was set up five hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars and he is scheduled to appear in court on
Speaker 2: May twenty ninth. The investigation is ongoing, as they say.
Speaker 3: And I imagine they will have a defense somewhere in
Speaker 3: the realm of he's insane, and that will go over
Speaker 3: with a jury, because this is something that you just
Speaker 3: can't imagine. You can't imagine someone doing this right. It's
Speaker 3: way outside of normal society and behaviors.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what is going on in the world,
Speaker 2: but it just seems like violence escalates on the daily.
Speaker 2: And we have a story that really captures this, Dylan.
Speaker 2: In Philadelphia, a fight over a parking spot ended with
Speaker 2: a twenty three year old woman being injured by a
Speaker 2: machete in a machete attack, Oh my gosh. On May twentieth,
Speaker 2: the woman called the police at about one am and
Speaker 2: said she'd been attacked during a fight with another driver
Speaker 2: over a parking spot. When officers arrived, the woman had
Speaker 2: a cut on her hip and said the other driver
Speaker 2: pulled out a machete and attacked her during their altercation.
Speaker 2: Before police arrived, The alleged attacker left the scene in
Speaker 2: a blue Nissan CenTra. The victim was treated at a
Speaker 2: local hospital and is in stable condition. They have not
Speaker 2: released the name of the victim. Police are still searching
Speaker 2: for the suspect. When did everyone get such a short
Speaker 2: fuse or that violence is their answer, Like, you can't
Speaker 2: even have a confrontation over a parking space, And also
Speaker 2: is it really that important to get into a confrontation
Speaker 2: over a parking space.
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that's a little ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's very ridiculous. I'm all for premium parking,
Speaker 3: you know it. Really There's been times we come out
Speaker 3: of a busy store or something I don't want to
Speaker 3: leave because the parking spot is just that good and
Speaker 3: you forced me to leave in us to continue on
Speaker 3: our day, But I want to stay there in that
Speaker 3: premium spot and just you know, look at the everyone
Speaker 3: else's face when they see how good my spot is.
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to fight someone over a parking spot.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And it reminds me of that recently, there was an
Speaker 3: elderly woman to go through.
Speaker 2: So you're going to talk.
Speaker 1: About this, yeah, well, Dylan, please.
Speaker 2: Because I think it showcases this epidemic of violence that's
Speaker 2: taking place in the United States. People have such a
Speaker 2: short fuse, they have no impulse control, and their immediate
Speaker 2: response to anything that should just be you know, like
Speaker 2: maybe a conversation or it could be straightened out at
Speaker 2: like the very lowest level, meaning hey, we just kind
Speaker 2: of compromise and figure this out on our own, escalates
Speaker 2: into these violent attacks. Machetes are pulled, guns are pulled.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are we doing you guys? Well, as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, Dylan, an elderly woman has died after a
Speaker 2: physical confrontation with a Tim Horton's employee inside a Fort Wayne,
Speaker 2: Indiana restaurant. Anita Grayson, seventy five, had gone inside the
Speaker 2: restaurant on May thirteenth to sort out a problem with
Speaker 2: her drive through order. Once she is at the counter,
Speaker 2: the video shows her yelling at a seventeen year old employee.
Speaker 2: A twenty year old shift leader steps in and asks
Speaker 2: the woman to leave, putting her hands out to kind
Speaker 2: of keep Grayson away from the younger coworker, and that's
Speaker 2: when Grayson shoved the shift lead and hit her in
Speaker 2: the face. In security footage reviewed by the police, the
Speaker 2: argument quickly turned in a physical fight on the lobby floor.
Speaker 2: Grayson scratched the employee and tore out a chunk of
Speaker 2: her hair.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: After the confrontation Grayson in the video, you can see
Speaker 2: her sitting down at a table. She places the hair
Speaker 2: on the floor, like onto her bag. This big chunk
Speaker 2: of hair she's pulled out, sheep. It got to be painful.
Speaker 2: The shift lead then checked on her and brought her
Speaker 2: a couple of like a cup of water. The woman
Speaker 2: was unresponsive by the time officers arrived. She just kind
Speaker 2: of fell out and she died. After this confrontation. Well,
Speaker 2: now her family is coming out like wanting to sue,
Speaker 2: making it into like it's a civil rights issue. They
Speaker 2: want to sue Tim Horton's. And the thing is, this
Speaker 2: woman escalated the like she's the reason this happened. Let's
Speaker 2: be honest. The seventy five year old woman, I mean, one,
Speaker 2: you're seventy five years old. Do you really need to
Speaker 2: go and make a big scene and then you get
Speaker 2: into a confrontation, you're gonna immediately put hands on somebody.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, and if you do, being.
Speaker 2: Old doesn't excuse you from getting your ass whooped. If
Speaker 2: you put your hands on somebody, I'm sorry, no self defense.
Speaker 3: And you should be in her family's like all she has,
Speaker 3: you know, hard issues bly this and that what you
Speaker 3: should know. You should be aware obviously of your own
Speaker 3: health concerns and that maybe this is you should be
Speaker 3: avoiding situations like this instead.
Speaker 1: Of seeking them out all over an order.
Speaker 3: Now, I will say, honestly, I also believe the shift
Speaker 3: lead person just twenty years old, right, And a lot
Speaker 3: of times you'll get a position like that just because.
Speaker 1: You show up every day and they can count on you.
Speaker 3: And that is now you're in a managerial position of sorts,
Speaker 3: and it's on you to do everything you can to
Speaker 3: de escalate a situation. Maybe tell the employee, hey, step
Speaker 3: away from them, you go in the back, kind of
Speaker 3: get some you know, separation between them and the customer.
Speaker 3: And you obviously have a very angry customer who's a
Speaker 3: you know, not having that or whatever. But I think
Speaker 3: they handled it poorly as well, right, I mean, you
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't attack even if and I understand that the
Speaker 3: woman mushed your face with her hand, and that would
Speaker 3: piss me off too, And it's hard to say how
Speaker 3: you would react in a situation like that.
Speaker 2: Here's my thing, Dylan. These employees, especially when you get
Speaker 2: into like fast food, they don't make enough money to
Speaker 2: put up with that kind of horseshit. And you best
Speaker 2: believe I don't care if I'm twenty, if i'm forty,
Speaker 2: if I'm seventy five years old, and you come at
Speaker 2: me and you put your hands on me, I'm not
Speaker 2: paid enough to show professionalism. You put your hands on me,
Speaker 2: professionalism going out in the window. I'm sorry. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to let anybody put their hands on me, And
Speaker 2: especially in a situation like this where I'm at work.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do my job and then you come
Speaker 2: in here and you attack me physically.
Speaker 1: Fuck that.
Speaker 3: No, no, well no, that's that's crazy. And certainly the
Speaker 3: elderly woman escalated it. I think she certainly created the
Speaker 3: situation all over a messed up coffee order, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, well, she's the one that came
Speaker 2: in cussing, screaming, hollering. She's the one that put her.
Speaker 1: Hands on people first, It's true.
Speaker 2: And then she gets her ass whooped or whatever. Well,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have come in you're grown, you're old enough
Speaker 2: to know better, and you come in here or showed
Speaker 2: your ass. And I guess she just expected these young
Speaker 2: people just like whimper in the corner while she raged.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and that's not what happened.
Speaker 2: But that's not what happened. And I think it's bullshit
Speaker 2: that the family's trying to sue and making it out
Speaker 2: like it's like this poor woman was a victim when
Speaker 2: she's the one that fucking made this situation happen. Like
Speaker 2: if she hadn't been there, this wouldn't have happened, right,
Speaker 2: if she hadn't gone in there.
Speaker 1: Well, no, and this is the problem now being.
Speaker 3: The shift lead. Now look at the situation you're in. Now,
Speaker 3: you could be in court for at the very least
Speaker 3: a manslaughter charge.
Speaker 2: Okay, so basically you're telling people they shouldn't go working
Speaker 2: fast food.
Speaker 1: Then no, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: This is always in the back of my mind when
Speaker 3: the thread of an altercation comes up, is that this
Speaker 3: is the kind of dumb shit that can happen. Someone
Speaker 3: can get hurt. You can hit someone one time and
Speaker 3: they die. They had the brain aneurism, you didn't know
Speaker 3: about whatever. We've all heard the stories. And then you
Speaker 3: can end up in jail for six to eight nine
Speaker 3: years over manslaughter charge because I guess so.
Speaker 2: But then all you're doing setting a precedence that people
Speaker 2: can act a damn fool and treat you however the
Speaker 2: fuck they want, and you're supposed to just stand there
Speaker 2: and take it, which is exactly what this elderly woman
Speaker 2: thought when she went in there, is that she was
Speaker 2: going to go in there and she was going to
Speaker 2: show her ass and cuss and scream and holler and
Speaker 2: maybe throw a punch or two and maybe trash the restaurant,
Speaker 2: because we've seen numerous videos where people go in these
Speaker 2: fast food places and do this kind of thing over
Speaker 2: in order. They're mad because their coke had too much
Speaker 2: ice in it, or they didn't get a ketchup or whatever,
Speaker 2: and so it just sets a precedence that you're allowed
Speaker 2: to be aggressive and threaten people and get in their
Speaker 2: face and make them feel uncomfortable, but they are supposed
Speaker 2: to stand back and let you because Oh no, I
Speaker 2: could get sued.
Speaker 3: No, that's not what I'm saying, and that would you're
Speaker 3: not being sued, You're you could be put in prison.
Speaker 3: But that's not I'm not saying. That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, the cops have not they're not going to restless employees.
Speaker 3: So well, I'm saying, well, good because well, the best
Speaker 3: thing about is it's all on video. You can see
Speaker 3: who the aggressor is, and then the consequences that happened
Speaker 3: to her afterward were the consequences of her actions. It's sad,
Speaker 3: it's unfortunate, but that's maybe why you don't go in
Speaker 3: a place raising hell over a coffee, you know whatever,
Speaker 3: whenever I get like shitty food at a place.
Speaker 2: Well, the shift lead on the video, it shows she's
Speaker 2: repeatedly asking this woman to leave, like she's making repeated
Speaker 2: efforts to get Grayson to leave the restaurant before this
Speaker 2: even happens, right, So again, I think she's acting in
Speaker 2: a manner that she should, like, you need to get
Speaker 2: out of here, you need to go, and then she's attacked.
Speaker 3: Well yes, but then I think that she I personally
Speaker 3: think she went a little overboard with the you know,
Speaker 3: being on top of a woman and continuing, I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just me. I wouldn't do that to an elderly woman.
Speaker 3: If they were being a dick. I might get them
Speaker 3: out of my face. I might have an initial reaction
Speaker 3: to them touching me, but I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 3: follow them across the lobby and like, you know, attack
Speaker 3: them to that brutally. But again, she was put in
Speaker 3: that situation by someone else.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Grayson grabbed the twenty year old's face,
Speaker 2: knocked her glasses off, grabbed her by the hair, and
Speaker 2: drug her to the ground. Grayson then rolled on top
Speaker 2: of the shift lead, and that is when the shift
Speaker 2: lead attempts to swap Grayson's arm because she's being held
Speaker 2: by her hair, which Grayson then pulls out quote pulled
Speaker 2: a chunk of hair from the shift lead's head.
Speaker 3: Wait a second, so I'm getting the video wrong. The
Speaker 3: reason she follows her across the rooms because she has
Speaker 3: a handful of her hair she drug her across. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, I forgot about the hair.
Speaker 2: And then the shift lead is professional enough to go
Speaker 2: get this lady a glass of water after this.
Speaker 3: Goes right, which shows that she you know she may
Speaker 3: have reacted protected herself.
Speaker 1: Basically is what looks like.
Speaker 2: See, I love these healthy debates we have on Mountain Mers.
Speaker 3: Well, no, well, you have to be able to talk
Speaker 3: about things right, And that's what's wrong with That's completely
Speaker 3: what's wrong with America right now.
Speaker 2: Well, see, you've made me mad. Now I'm gonna fight
Speaker 2: you some bit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull your hair out.
Speaker 3: You shown that I'm pulling your pubes out, I'll show
Speaker 3: you no.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, what are you gonna s? I
Speaker 1: mean a wat of hair.
Speaker 2: You're gonna drag me around by my leg hair?
Speaker 3: I told you, having a wad of hair pulled out
Speaker 3: of your head must be a terrible painful feeling. I've
Speaker 3: never had that happen to me.
Speaker 2: I mean pulled out this lady.
Speaker 1: This it's a significant water hair.
Speaker 2: I'm a picture where she's got like a big old
Speaker 2: bald spot like this woman pulled it out by the
Speaker 2: fucking roof. That shit hurts like hell, you know it does?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So this is all.
Speaker 2: Happening, and I if I'm an employee, im supposed to
Speaker 2: just keep my cool. Well, no, I mean this lady
Speaker 2: was very, very very aggressive in this situation. She was,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry that she passed away, but you brought
Speaker 2: it on yourself. You did this, You were the catalyst
Speaker 2: for all these events, like a domino effect. You did
Speaker 2: these things and the dominoes fell in this way. It's true,
Speaker 2: and it's sad she passed away, but she also, I mean,
Speaker 2: she did it herself and at some point her family
Speaker 2: and everybody else in the world. You got to start
Speaker 2: accepting some responsibility for your actions.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. That's not the first time she's
Speaker 3: acted like this, and we know it. She's used to
Speaker 3: doing this, showing her ass, getting her way, feeling like
Speaker 3: she was the you know, came out on top in
Speaker 3: a situation. It's just something she's all done, and unfortunately
Speaker 3: for her, she did it one time too many.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, and I'm sorry again, just because
Speaker 2: you're old doesn't mean that does not excuse you. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to allow you to physically harm me
Speaker 2: just because you're old.
Speaker 3: Well no, I don't. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get an old person off me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna lest some seventy five year old
Speaker 2: woman physically attack me. And while I just stand there
Speaker 2: with my thumb up by butt. No, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: off me. You have no right to put your hands
Speaker 2: on me to begin with.
Speaker 1: No, and now what's wrong with it? You know, if
Speaker 1: I go somewhere.
Speaker 2: For a fucking donut coffee order.
Speaker 3: If I go somewhere and I get bad food, bad service,
Speaker 3: it ain't right whatever, I just don't go back there.
Speaker 1: I don't understand this people.
Speaker 2: I ever raised hell, And I mean there have been
Speaker 2: plenty of times I've gone through drop throughs and I
Speaker 2: don't get what I ordered or it's wrong or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, you know what it was like
Speaker 2: eight dollars, I'm gonna go huh. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: care enough to like make a scene or cuss anybody out.
Speaker 2: I rarely even go back and say like, hey, this
Speaker 2: is wrong, unless it just absolutely is. You know, they
Speaker 2: give me a fish sandwich when I order a burger.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna eat that fish sandwich, So I might
Speaker 2: take that back, but otherwise I'm not gonna like scream
Speaker 2: and holler and threaten people.
Speaker 3: No, we went to a not too long ago are
Speaker 3: supposedly very good barbecue.
Speaker 1: Blaze, and our food was fucking disgusting.
Speaker 3: It was terrible. Heather's food was horrible. It's supposed to
Speaker 3: be brisket. It was a wat of fat and gristle.
Speaker 3: It was disgusting. My food was supposed to be a
Speaker 3: quarter of chicken, you know, smoke chicken, barbecue whatever.
Speaker 2: So dry, it's like it had walked forty days through
Speaker 2: the desert with like Moses or something.
Speaker 3: It looked like the Christmas vacation turkey. I mean, it
Speaker 3: really did so over. It was almost it was inedible.
Speaker 3: And so we picked at a couple of sides and
Speaker 3: we looked at each other like what the hell got
Speaker 3: a sixty dollars bill for lunch? And we left and
Speaker 3: still gave the you know waitress seven bucks. You know, hey,
Speaker 3: she wasn't gonna get a fat tip, but she got something.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because she never came back to cause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, we never saw.
Speaker 3: But still and guess what, we didn't say anything. We
Speaker 3: didn't bless anybody out, we didn't clear the table, knock
Speaker 3: anything over. We'll just never go back to that place.
Speaker 3: And that's the way I've always done. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 3: not the server didn't cook your food, you know this.
Speaker 2: Or that, And I mean she didn't come back and refill.
Speaker 1: Oh she was a shit server. But I mean that
Speaker 1: was to be expected with horrible food.
Speaker 2: You could give me this drss water chicken, and then
Speaker 2: you don't even come back and like give me another
Speaker 2: drink when I'm over here, like oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to rehydrate the chicken. Yeah, well anyway, but
Speaker 3: that's just how I've always been.
Speaker 1: That was one of the.
Speaker 2: Most disappointing, you know, and nothing bothers. It's like this
Speaker 2: pet peeve I have that if I go to a restaurant,
Speaker 2: you know, there's just this expectation that you're gonna get
Speaker 2: tasty food, right, and when you go to a place
Speaker 2: and you're spending this like large amount of money. Because
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like sixty dollars for lunch is a
Speaker 2: lot of money.
Speaker 1: And that's a lot.
Speaker 2: You did have like a beer or so.
Speaker 1: Well, no, but that's a lot.
Speaker 2: But it was still a lot. I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: when my lunch played is like twenty plus dollars, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't refill my drink and then the food shit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that really frustrates me.
Speaker 1: That's terrible.
Speaker 2: Just like we went to a very expensive restaurant, you know,
Speaker 2: forked out a couple hundred bucks and the food was
Speaker 2: fucking terrible.
Speaker 1: It was horrible, and it's.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody brags about this place being so wonderful
Speaker 2: and the food was hard. Like I would have been
Speaker 2: better off just cooking my own food at home because
Speaker 2: it tasted like shit. The vegetables were raw. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was fucking horrible, right, I.
Speaker 1: Would rather got a seven dollars plate from Ingles Deli.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But even in that situation, bro, I mean, we
Speaker 2: did not make a big deal. We were just like, wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: that was a lot of money wasted and we'll never
Speaker 2: come back here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not gonna fight somebody or start screaming
Speaker 3: in a public place over something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I saw another video that circulated around the same time
Speaker 2: that this elderly woman attacked the Tim Horton's employee of
Speaker 2: two ladies who were having dinner. I suppose dinner lunch shot.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure at uh, you know, I guess kind
Speaker 2: of like a high end steakhouse, nicer steakhouse. Okay, they
Speaker 2: end up fighting with the waiter because they keep on
Speaker 2: and on about how their food it's not prepared correctly.
Speaker 2: And finally I guess the waiter gets tired of it
Speaker 2: and is like, the chef knows how to prepare a steak.
Speaker 1: They've sent food back multiple times.
Speaker 2: Right, and so the waiter's like, you know, we're not
Speaker 2: doing this anymore. And then it escalates into these ladies
Speaker 2: like physically attacking weight staff and hooting and hollering and
Speaker 2: carrying on in the middle of a damn restaurant. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: But then those ladies have also lawyered up and are
Speaker 2: trying to make it out like it was it wasn't
Speaker 2: their fault. They were victims, like you know, they deserve something.
Speaker 2: They were treated, they were mistreated, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: well you don't get to go in a place and
Speaker 2: show your ass.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what needs one thing that needs to happen,
Speaker 3: because we see how many you could sit there for
Speaker 3: hours and watch these videos of these employees, oftentimes in
Speaker 3: fast food places or these quick service places, being attacked verbally, physically, whatever.
Speaker 3: It's not okay for someone to be in your face
Speaker 3: on the public street. If someone did these same things
Speaker 3: that these people are doing in these fast food play says,
Speaker 3: they would be charges assault, you know, intimidation, communicating threats.
Speaker 3: All kinds of charges will be levied against someone acting
Speaker 3: like this out in the street, but then they come
Speaker 3: in a restaurant and show their ass completely and nothing
Speaker 3: happens to them. So there needs to be some direct,
Speaker 3: very specific legislation, a law that if you go in
Speaker 3: a restaurant acting like this, you're going to go to
Speaker 3: jail and face the consequences. It's going to be like
Speaker 3: a serious misdemeanor or something. And you just said we
Speaker 3: should really start protecting these employees because of an epidemic.
Speaker 2: Well, I saw a video not too long ago mentioning that,
Speaker 2: you know, you see these viral videos all the time,
Speaker 2: and people were cheering in the comments because the manager
Speaker 2: picked up a trash can and like knock the shit
Speaker 2: out of the person who was attacking the employees. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and on took this big ass trash can and just
Speaker 2: like bopped them with it and they kind of toppled over,
Speaker 2: and people were like, yeah, finally a manager taking care
Speaker 2: of his staff.
Speaker 3: And there was what a what a Burger scene not
Speaker 3: long ago where they're throwing the chairs and the high
Speaker 3: chairs and those wooden high chairs that weigh fucking.
Speaker 2: That Chipotle ch Potla restaurant in the Navy Yard in DC.
Speaker 2: There's a video of some confrontation where people are throwing
Speaker 2: chairs and food and drinks.
Speaker 1: And yeah, just chaos. This is dangerous.
Speaker 3: I mean that one video you had a family huddling
Speaker 3: in the corner with little kids trying to not get
Speaker 3: clobbered by fucking flying furniture.
Speaker 2: When did this become acceptable? We do not have to
Speaker 2: live like this, And you're right, there should be some legislation,
Speaker 2: some laws passed because people who work in these customer
Speaker 2: service jobs. I mean, first of all, they're not making
Speaker 2: a fortune.
Speaker 1: No, you know, it's just a job.
Speaker 2: It's just a job. They're there just trying to do
Speaker 2: their job. And then you come in and you carry
Speaker 2: on and you act a down full and they don't
Speaker 2: get paid enough to put up with your shit.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, No.
Speaker 2: You don't have a right to go in acting like that.
Speaker 2: You don't know who the fuck are you supposed to
Speaker 2: be like? What makes you think you're so entitled that
Speaker 2: you can go in a place and put your hands
Speaker 2: on somebody over something really insignificant and minor.
Speaker 3: Your daughter was briefly a cashier at Ingles grocery store,
Speaker 3: Ingles grocery store, and the thing she would say that
Speaker 3: these people would say to her while she's just trying
Speaker 3: to wring her fucking food up.
Speaker 1: It was insane.
Speaker 2: Well, I know I'm biased, but she's absolutely beautiful little
Speaker 2: you know, little girl. She's so pretty. She's pretty, and
Speaker 2: she has this beautiful smile and she's so sweet. And
Speaker 2: she would say, you know, I mean, I'm just thinking like,
Speaker 2: how could you talk to this cute little girl like this?
Speaker 2: You know? She would be like, hey, how's your day going?
Speaker 2: And people would be like, quit fucking asking me questions,
Speaker 2: you know, and she'd be like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, emotional abuse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm supposed to ask you. Or they'd be
Speaker 2: like you don't have to talk, like something about why
Speaker 2: you always ask why do you always ask me a
Speaker 2: bunch of questions? And she's like, well, you know, it
Speaker 2: is sort of part of the job day going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I don't say anything, you're gonna be pissed
Speaker 3: about that too. Yeah, yeah, all right, So we got
Speaker 3: to protect these people.
Speaker 2: A woman allegedly shot two attorneys outside of a North
Speaker 2: Carolina courthouse following a hearing. Damn I saw the video
Speaker 2: wild Gwendolaine White was arrested in charged with attempted first
Speaker 2: degree murder on Friday, May twenty second. A rest record
Speaker 2: show the fifty seven year old was detained after she
Speaker 2: allegedly shot two attorneys who were representing the Rollsville Police
Speaker 2: Department in a civil case she was involved in. And
Speaker 2: this was outside the Wake County Courthouse in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Speaker 2: This is wild. So the police chief says that Whyat
Speaker 2: had been with the attorneys inside the courtroom that morning
Speaker 2: and became belligerent in court. After she left the courthouse,
Speaker 2: this woman White went to her car, retrieved a gun,
Speaker 2: and shot the attorneys, Mary Harris and Jeffrey Whitley, who
Speaker 2: were from the Fox Rothschild's law firm as they exited
Speaker 2: the courthouse building. Damn Harris was taken into surgery while
Speaker 2: Whitley was in stable condition. Wyatt, who was taken into
Speaker 2: custody immediately after the shooting, was then transported to the
Speaker 2: hospital as well. So the hearing White attended with the
Speaker 2: attorneys was tied to a civil case she filed against
Speaker 2: the Rollsville Police Department in twenty twenty two, in which
Speaker 2: she sought body camera footage from an incident that took
Speaker 2: place in her home the year prior. The incident occurred
Speaker 2: in March of twenty twenty one, when Rollsville police officers
Speaker 2: responded to a verbal altercation between White and her two neighbors.
Speaker 2: The officers determined that no crime had occurred, and the
Speaker 2: neighbors later sought a civil no contact order against White.
Speaker 2: So White requested the bodycam footage and later filed a
Speaker 2: motion of contempt against the police department. After her request
Speaker 2: was delayed. A judge ultimately dismissed the case in January,
Speaker 2: and White's recent hearing was to determine whether it should
Speaker 2: be reinstated.
Speaker 3: Well, she showed them. Now she's got two attempted murder charges.
Speaker 1: I'm sure again.
Speaker 2: People taking it too far, right, Like.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? A civil case?
Speaker 3: A civil case, a civil case that's been brought against you. Basically,
Speaker 3: it sounds like neighbors just want you to not have
Speaker 3: any contact with them, not saying the neighbors are all
Speaker 3: in the right. We don't know all the details, but
Speaker 3: you know what, it's okay whatever, dude, I don't want
Speaker 3: to have a contact with you.
Speaker 2: I don't even like you, all right, Dylan in Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 2: We've got to talk about this Wowsville. A former Christian
Speaker 2: minister whose aim was to cure LGBTQ plus people through
Speaker 2: conversion therapy, has been charged after he allegedly since second
Speaker 2: actual messages to a person he thought was a teenage boy,
Speaker 2: a fourteen.
Speaker 1: Year old boy, Hi the irony right.
Speaker 2: Fifty four year old Alan Chambers allegedly started chatting with
Speaker 2: an undercover agent in February. According to an arrest report
Speaker 2: obtained by w E sh the undercover agent posed as
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old boy, and Chambers allegedly sent him
Speaker 2: nude photos and other messages with sexual content.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a very very unique type of conversion therapy
Speaker 3: he's trying.
Speaker 2: To use their Chambers allegedly messaged the undercover first on
Speaker 2: Snapchat before moving their conversation off the platform and onto
Speaker 2: the messaging app Telegram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 2: Telegram's known for it as well as text messages.
Speaker 1: It's encrypting and all that.
Speaker 2: And our government doesn't know how to use it properly. Well,
Speaker 2: because they like to send out you know, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: top secret information.
Speaker 1: Well why not be a telegram?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chambers and the agent allegedly discussed meeting in person
Speaker 2: multiple times. Chambers told the agent to take an uber
Speaker 2: to meet him at his office in winter Park, Florida.
Speaker 1: So disgusting.
Speaker 2: Chambers with the leader of Exodus International, a Christian organization
Speaker 2: focused on curing LGBTQ plus people through conversion therapy. As
Speaker 2: I mentioned, the organization had two hundred and sixty affiliated
Speaker 2: ministries and they shut down in twenty thirteen. So on
Speaker 2: the Exodus website, Chambers renounced conversion therapy and said that
Speaker 2: he was sorry. He apologized quote for years of undue
Speaker 2: suffering and judgment at the hands of the organization and
Speaker 2: the church.
Speaker 1: As a whole.
Speaker 3: So it's how our a person who claims to be
Speaker 3: helping people to get their life back on track basically,
Speaker 3: but it turns out you're just a pet phile, You're
Speaker 3: a pedo.
Speaker 2: We know that's what happens oftentimes in these situations. People
Speaker 2: who sit on a high horse act like they are
Speaker 2: somehow morally superior and that they know they can pass
Speaker 2: judgment on your lifestyle or your beliefs, and then they're
Speaker 2: the ones that end up in some salacious sex scandal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're really the ones with the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of like finger pointing, I think
Speaker 2: projection in these situations. What an asshole, fucking weirdo. It's gross.
Speaker 3: Well, he texts me. I text him back up. But
Speaker 3: I'm gonna punch you in a face. Okay, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna meet you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take an uber over your place and kick
Speaker 1: your ass.
Speaker 2: Well, Dylan, this is a strange case, and we did
Speaker 2: discuss this when it first happened. Matthew Hurtkin, he's a
Speaker 2: thirty one year old who was responsible for his brother's
Speaker 2: order back in Gosh, I can't even remember what year
Speaker 2: this was, February of twenty twenty five. I knew it
Speaker 2: had been some time. He was a Wesleyan soccer player,
Speaker 2: former Wesleyan soccer player who ripped out his brother's eyeball
Speaker 2: and devoured it after stabbing and beating him with golf
Speaker 2: clubs in their high end like New Jersey apartment building.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He also set the family cat on fire after he
Speaker 2: slaughtered his twenty six year old brother, Joseph.
Speaker 1: What a cat do to you?
Speaker 2: Joseph's corpse was found by cops lying in a pool
Speaker 2: of blood beside a bloody knife after what was described
Speaker 2: as a twisted rampage. So, of course, Herkin was arrested,
Speaker 2: and according to a forensic psychologist, doctor Perelli, the deranged
Speaker 2: cannibal suffered from quote prophetic and divine visions and was
Speaker 2: found not guilty by reason of insanity.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: He was diagnosed with skitzphrenia, and that he believed himself
Speaker 2: at various times to be Jesus Christ, the Antichrist, God,
Speaker 2: or to have multiple souls, and that anytime he closed
Speaker 2: his eyes he was quote seeing tremendous visions.
Speaker 3: Look now, it sounds like the guy has some serious issues. Okay, certainly,
Speaker 3: And if you're going to find someone not guilty by
Speaker 3: reason of insanity, okay, whatever, Fine, they got problems they
Speaker 3: need they need more specialized care than can be provided
Speaker 3: into prison.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying to a degree. Then that
Speaker 3: means you have to have facilities that specialize in this
Speaker 3: type of care and treatment where this person can be
Speaker 3: locked away for the rest of their life.
Speaker 1: They still have to be.
Speaker 3: Society still needs to be protected from this person even
Speaker 3: though they have these significant issues. They don't they I mean,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, slower a little bit, okay, because he's dead
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well no, but I'm saying so.
Speaker 2: Herkin's mental health problems began when he was living in
Speaker 2: New York City in twenty twenty one. According to you know,
Speaker 2: those who were in the know, he had an idyllic
Speaker 2: childhood and grew up with his brothers in a one
Speaker 2: point one million dollar home in Tom's River, very exclusive,
Speaker 2: you know, affluent neighborhood or town, before his family relocated
Speaker 2: to the Michelle Muse apartments, which are also considered quite luxury. Okay,
Speaker 2: so he struggled with these severe and profound mental issues
Speaker 2: before he attacked his brother and then they found him
Speaker 2: dead in his jail cell. Oh so, he took his
Speaker 2: own life parents' suicide and was found dead on May eighth,
Speaker 2: and no official cause of death has been released yet.
Speaker 2: But he did previously attempt to hang himself, I guess
Speaker 2: a week after his arrest back in February of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's sad for someone to be this
Speaker 3: mentally disturbed that they would, you know, attack their own brother.
Speaker 2: And well it was a very horrific crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds horrible. So I guess we don't have to.
Speaker 3: Be protected from this person anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was going to get to that part.
Speaker 3: No, but I guess what I was saying more broadly was,
Speaker 3: you know, there's the issue I have with.
Speaker 1: When they find.
Speaker 3: Peoplet not guilty by reason of insanity is sometimes they
Speaker 3: go to a mental health treatment place and they get
Speaker 3: treated for a year or two or whatever until and then,
Speaker 3: you know, until they convince the doctors that they're better now, right,
Speaker 3: and then they let they'll let them out, right, they'll
Speaker 3: let them out back into into society, and then many
Speaker 3: times something ends up, something else ends up happening. So
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. I still think you have to
Speaker 3: should be held responsible for what you did, and I
Speaker 3: think society still needs to be protected from you even
Speaker 3: if you are if even if you do have mental
Speaker 3: health issues, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise you end up in a Halloween series where
Speaker 2: you have a person who's criminally insane, like Michael Myers, right,
Speaker 2: becoming a serial killer and tracking down babysitters and innocent
Speaker 2: young people who are just trying to make whoopee in
Speaker 2: the backseat of a car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just trying to try to get to know
Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, and here you come with your big knife.
Speaker 2: How many scary horror movie slashers escaped or were released from,
Speaker 2: you know, the hospital for the criminally insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm making a lot of the situation. But still,
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, we need to be you know, we
Speaker 2: need to make sure these people are off the streets.
Speaker 2: And it's time and time again. We're seeing these criminals
Speaker 2: arrested fifteen thirty five seventy times, you know, and then
Speaker 2: they go out and commit a very violent act and
Speaker 2: then it's oh, well they have mental issues. But it's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but you didn't deem them mentally ill enough to keep
Speaker 2: in jail or to do something with the other seventy
Speaker 2: times they were arrested.
Speaker 1: Let's see.
Speaker 3: That's the thing, because you know, they get tired. We've
Speaker 3: seen this ourselves, even in small town. They get tired
Speaker 3: of dealing with that person because they have to deal
Speaker 3: with them all the time, because they're always creating some
Speaker 3: kind of situation because they're not getting the treatment they need,
Speaker 3: or they won't take the medicine that they've been prescribed
Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be. And they know the person,
Speaker 3: they know they're not right, they know they have issues,
Speaker 3: and they're in and out the system many times, and
Speaker 3: they'll know the person by name until finally that unfortunately,
Speaker 3: that person does something very serious and then they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: well they can't be held accountable because we know they
Speaker 3: have mental health issues. Then why wasn't something done about
Speaker 3: this before? Why wasn't that person forced or given the
Speaker 3: opportunity to get the help that they truly need. Why
Speaker 3: is it's always the everyday citizen that is at the
Speaker 3: other end that, yes, of all these issues, all these issues,
Speaker 3: homeless issue, the you know, these people that are in
Speaker 3: and out of jail that have mental health issues, it's
Speaker 3: the public that suffers.
Speaker 1: The consequences from all this. Well it's true, All right,
Speaker 1: let's move along here.
Speaker 2: There was an actor who went missing. It was on
Speaker 2: the show Virgin River and he's been found deceased amid
Speaker 2: a homicide investigation. Okay, Stuart McLean remains were identified one
Speaker 2: day after it was announced that the missing actor was
Speaker 2: possibly a victim of homicide. Canada's Integrated Homicide Investigation Team
Speaker 2: that's a Mouthful announced on Friday that McLain's remains were
Speaker 2: located in the Lions Bay area. The forty five year
Speaker 2: old had last been seen at his residence in Lyons Bay,
Speaker 2: British Columbia, on Friday, May fifteenth. A missing persons report
Speaker 2: was filed for McLean on Monday May eighteenth, and as
Speaker 2: the investigation unfolded, homicide investigation investigators are working to collect
Speaker 2: and analyze evidence and conduct interviews, and they're reviewing CCTV
Speaker 2: footage of mister mclin's activities prior to May fifteenth. But
Speaker 2: they are investigating this as a homicide. They do believe
Speaker 2: it's an isolated incident. And yeah, I mean that's kind
Speaker 2: of a wild story. Huh. Well, yeah, it goes to
Speaker 2: show doesn't matter if you're an actor, celebrity or just
Speaker 2: a regular Joe on the street.
Speaker 1: You never violence can find you can.
Speaker 2: You can never be sure exactly. So he made appearances
Speaker 2: on Virgin River, Murder in a Small Town, Happy Face,
Speaker 2: and Arrow if you watch any.
Speaker 3: Of those shows, all right, I haven't watched any of
Speaker 3: those shows, but that's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: It is, this is something else that is unfortunate. If
Speaker 2: you are in the Atlanta area. Cobb County investigators are
Speaker 2: searching for additional victims of an accused serial rapist.
Speaker 3: Cerial rapists that's so scary.
Speaker 2: Jail records show that twenty two year old Jamel Palmer
Speaker 2: has been in custody at the Cobb County Detention Center
Speaker 2: without bonds since May first, on charges of kidnapping, rape,
Speaker 2: aggravated assault, burglary, and battery, and it's part of their investigation.
Speaker 2: Officials say they believe there are other unidentified victims of
Speaker 2: Palmer who have not come forward, and detectives believe some
Speaker 2: of the incidents may involve individuals in Georgia and Ohio
Speaker 2: and could date back to twenty twenty two. Police said
Speaker 2: that they do believe some of the victims may be
Speaker 2: members of the Hispanic community and might be afraid to
Speaker 2: come forward due to immigration status or other reasons, but
Speaker 2: they assured that their goal is to protect all the
Speaker 2: victims because they want to hold Palmer accountable.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's good.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they're saying that like that, Like, come, if
Speaker 3: you've been a victim, come forward, We don't care about you.
Speaker 3: In this instance, I certainly agree with them. You've been
Speaker 3: a victim of violent crime. We're just here to help you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean they're saying, like, we believe you as the victim,
Speaker 2: we know you probably have some information related to this,
Speaker 2: and if you come in, we're going to treat you
Speaker 2: with dignity, compassion, respect, and that their goal is to
Speaker 2: ensure victims feel safe speaking with investigators and receive helping
Speaker 2: resources that they need. They really just want to bring
Speaker 2: justice to anyone who might have been harmed by this guy.
Speaker 2: So investigators are asking anyone who believes that they may
Speaker 2: have had contact with Palmer or that they are a
Speaker 2: victim to call the Cobb County Police Department's Major Crime
Speaker 2: Crimes Units. We'll get that out at seven seven zero
Speaker 2: four nine nine three nine four five.
Speaker 3: And I hope any victims of this piece of shit,
Speaker 3: I hope they hear this and they do come forward, because,
Speaker 3: you know, for one, they should get the justice for
Speaker 3: being attacked by this horrible person, and they should also
Speaker 3: get access to resources, like, you know, even if it's
Speaker 3: financial or a therapeutic anything that can help them try
Speaker 3: to get their cell there, you know, to heal, help
Speaker 3: themselves heal.
Speaker 2: The idea of a serial rapist is very scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I terrifying.
Speaker 2: I'm actually working on a case that we will be
Speaker 2: covering here in the next couple of weeks about a
Speaker 2: serial rapist and then of course it escalates further into
Speaker 2: more crimes. But it's really frightening. A lot of times,
Speaker 2: you know, these serial rapists will break into your home,
Speaker 2: they climb into your window, they find a way in,
Speaker 2: they attack you as you're getting into your car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And they prey on the week women typically you know,
Speaker 2: in a situation where they're alone and they know they
Speaker 2: won't have help.
Speaker 1: Or the elderly.
Speaker 2: It's very frightening.
Speaker 3: No, and I think our listeners know what I think
Speaker 3: about a person like this.
Speaker 1: I think they should.
Speaker 3: Certainly these kinds of charges should come with a death
Speaker 3: sentence that should be swiftly carried out, because this is
Speaker 3: just one of the most horrible things, the most horrible
Speaker 3: violations that you can do to a person. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's no other way around it. I think rape is
Speaker 3: right there and in ways worse than murder because you
Speaker 3: have to live with what they've done to you.
Speaker 2: I believe you're absolutely You're correct, Dylan.
Speaker 1: Thank you for once. No, I'm correct.
Speaker 3: A lot correct all the time. Okay, I'll just take
Speaker 3: this win and just I'm gonna savor it like a
Speaker 3: by of a very high end dessert.
Speaker 2: So we should discuss this because you know how much
Speaker 2: we'd like to talk about Murder Beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, look, we didn't make it. We didn't make
Speaker 3: it Murder Beach, but it certainly Yeah.
Speaker 1: Continue, Well, you know a lot.
Speaker 2: Of folks are gearing up to go on their summer vacations.
Speaker 2: Perhaps Myrtle Beach is in your future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you can get a room down there pretty
Speaker 3: cheap and go to the Gay.
Speaker 2: Dolphin, buy t shirt, play some ski ball on the boardwalk. No,
Speaker 2: that's one of my favorite things to do at Murder Beach.
Speaker 2: Visit the Gate Dolphin and play some ski ball.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: So more than a dozen people were injured early Sunday
Speaker 2: morning in a stampede incident during the Atlanta Atlantic Beach
Speaker 2: bike Fest. Corey County Fire Rescue said it was dispatched
Speaker 2: to the stage area near Ocean Boulevard in Atlantic Beach
Speaker 2: at one oh five am, according to a Facebook post,
Speaker 2: with the help of on scene law enforcement, nineteen patients
Speaker 2: were located and evaluated for injuries, none believed to be
Speaker 2: life threatening at this time. Three people were transported to
Speaker 2: the hospital with injuries, with the possibility of others being
Speaker 2: transported or maybe self transporting to local hospitals. So it
Speaker 2: was declared a mass casualty incident because of the number
Speaker 2: of reported patients. Right The stage on Ocean Boulevard is
Speaker 2: part of the Atlantic Beach Memorial Day, Black Pearl Cultural
Speaker 2: Heritage and Bike Festival, or usually just referred to as
Speaker 2: a Black By. Performances were scheduled on stage for Saturday
Speaker 2: night and well into the morning, according to online information,
Speaker 2: and this festival runs through Monday. So interim Atlantic Beach
Speaker 2: manager Titus Leak said someday that a person who started
Speaker 2: running created a panic among the crowd of people. He said,
Speaker 2: law enforcement, we're in a position in the area, and
Speaker 2: that an announcement from the stage did kind of help
Speaker 2: calm down the situation. But here's the thing, A similar
Speaker 2: incident happened last year during the bike festival when ten
Speaker 2: people were sent to the hospital after fights created a
Speaker 2: mass panic during the concerts. People were injured when they
Speaker 2: were trampled trying to leave the crowded festival. I just
Speaker 2: don't know, this is the second year in a row
Speaker 2: this type of thing has happened.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand why people can't get together and
Speaker 3: have a good time. I mean, I really don't understand.
Speaker 2: Well, the whole trampling thing is so super scary, and
Speaker 2: you would think we would learn a lesson from like
Speaker 2: one year to the next. But I also think of
Speaker 2: the Travis Scott the astro World mass trampling events. How
Speaker 2: frightening that is. And when you are in a situation
Speaker 2: like this, you're in a crowded spot and people just
Speaker 2: start pressing and pressing against you, is so scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I used to listen to I haven't in a while,
Speaker 3: but Disaster Area a really good podcast about disasters of
Speaker 3: various sorts, and she covered trampling events, stampede events at
Speaker 3: things like large soccer games and stuff like that, and
Speaker 3: just the it's so scary, Yes, when people are getting
Speaker 3: pressed against immovable object or a fence, you know, people
Speaker 3: getting pressed against a chainling fence, pressed into it with
Speaker 3: this massive weight behind you, you know, and you slowly
Speaker 3: into people that survive or you know, give testimony on
Speaker 3: how it's like it's just kept getting tighter and tighter,
Speaker 3: and every time they breathe in they could or breathe
Speaker 3: they get to breathe in.
Speaker 1: A little bit less.
Speaker 3: And it just kept happening, and you have absolutely no
Speaker 3: control over it, no way out people climbing over people,
Speaker 3: things like that. I mean, it just sounds like something
Speaker 3: out of a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Well Leak said an emailed statement that while any incident
Speaker 2: is unfortunate, it is also important to recognize that this
Speaker 2: isolated moment does not reflect the overall success of the event.
Speaker 2: The Black Pearl Cultural Heritage and Bike Festival has been
Speaker 2: held for over forty years and continues to attract visitors
Speaker 2: from across the country because of the positive experience it
Speaker 2: does provide. I mean, it is a very popular event. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't know, the thought of the trampling.
Speaker 2: It just freaks me out. And I know I've been
Speaker 2: in tight crowds before, even in at a show where
Speaker 2: people are starting to kind of mosh around or something
Speaker 2: and you get pressed up on. I do not like
Speaker 2: that feeling whatsoever. But the fact that it's happened two
Speaker 2: years in a row is kind of kind of wild
Speaker 2: as well. You would just think people would be mindful
Speaker 2: of that and try not to repeat a second year
Speaker 2: in a row. It's I mean, that's just really scary
Speaker 2: for anybody who's in the middle of all that.
Speaker 3: Well, for one thing, it's certainly on the crowd for
Speaker 3: the most part. In situations like this, sometimes they're confused.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they think something else is happening. Unfortunately, in the
Speaker 3: world we live in today, with the frequency of you know, shooting,
Speaker 3: mass shooters and all that, people are kind of they
Speaker 3: got a hair trigger on a fear almost this right
Speaker 3: in the back of their minds. If they see someone running,
Speaker 3: they will panic and think something's happening, and that seems
Speaker 3: to be what's kicked.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, the year before it sound like fights were the problem.
Speaker 3: But and that's really the world we live in nowadays.
Speaker 3: And this is one of the reasons I don't get
Speaker 3: into a shoulder to shoulder crowd because of a ship
Speaker 3: like this. I always think about it, maybe happy if
Speaker 3: something happens, if an emergency happens, if a fire starts,
Speaker 3: or something like that, because even a big guy like me,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter when you're in dealing with forces like this,
Speaker 3: if you get knocked down or you do stumble or
Speaker 3: something to end up on the ground. In situation like this,
Speaker 3: you're very likely to get stomped, stumped to death.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, in most crowds, I'm usually like one of the
Speaker 2: shortest people. I cannot see above everyone else, so it's
Speaker 2: just like a sea of people taller than me, and
Speaker 2: I would be probably the first one to go down.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't allow.
Speaker 2: It, So yeah, I'm gonna avoid that. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I remember, for example, Woodstock ninety nine, right but whatever reason,
Speaker 2: I feel like people are just so nostalgic right now
Speaker 2: for the eighties and the nineties especially, and I keep
Speaker 2: seeing all these videos circulate of Woodstock ninety nine, and
Speaker 2: I remember being a young person. I would have been
Speaker 2: nineteen when that concert took place, and I remember watching
Speaker 2: MTV and being so jealous, like I wanted to be
Speaker 2: there so badly, you know, and like didn't get to go,
Speaker 2: and just was like watching with envy the people in
Speaker 2: the crowds. And now watching footage from that event there crowded,
Speaker 2: it was shoulder to shoulder, just hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: people just.
Speaker 1: In one space, not enough supplies.
Speaker 2: Watching limp biscuit, you know, break some shit or whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I think what was I everything? Like,
Speaker 2: I would not want to be in that crowd at all.
Speaker 3: No, no, never at any age.
Speaker 2: But back then it was like, oh man, I wish
Speaker 2: I was right there in the middle of all that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna happen now.
Speaker 2: One off our listeners sent me this information, Dylan, and
Speaker 2: we got to discuss it before we wrap things up
Speaker 2: today because it's one of those cold cases solved. You
Speaker 2: know how much I like when we get to solve
Speaker 2: some cold cases.
Speaker 1: What you got?
Speaker 2: Well. A Connecticut man was arrested for the decades old
Speaker 2: rape and murder of a Virginia woman after forensic evidence
Speaker 2: offered new leads in the cold case. The body of
Speaker 2: twenty two year old ROBERTA. Walls was found in a
Speaker 2: field in Virginia Beach on the morning of May fifteenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. That is a really long time. That's
Speaker 2: forty years for a case to be unsolved. That's so
Speaker 2: craz that is that's such a long time for the
Speaker 2: family to get answers well. The Department described her as
Speaker 2: a vibrant young woman. She had a promising future ahead
Speaker 2: of her. Walls had been sexually assaulted and stabbed multiple times.
Speaker 2: Police investigated the homicide, but they had no leads and
Speaker 2: eventually it was assigned to the cold case unit. Now
Speaker 2: in was I'm sorry, two thousand and one DNA DNA
Speaker 2: profile was developed and it was run through the Virginia
Speaker 2: Department of Forensic Science. The profile information was also entered
Speaker 2: into a nationwide data bank. Investigators determined the DNA profile
Speaker 2: belonged to a man, but no matches were found at
Speaker 2: that time. And then in twenty seventeen, alab in Northern
Speaker 2: Virginia analyzed the DNA and created a composite photo of
Speaker 2: Wall's killer. But these developments again did not lead to
Speaker 2: twenty arrests.
Speaker 1: That was in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: That was in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you know, And that was once that technology
Speaker 3: came about where they could actually get eye color height
Speaker 3: and get an approximation of what the perpetrator may look like.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really big one of the
Speaker 3: biggest leaps. That is a big step in forensic science
Speaker 3: and DNA that has happened in recent years.
Speaker 1: It's really amazing, No, it really is.
Speaker 3: I mean they can get i mean eerily almost dead
Speaker 3: on I've listened to some cases where they use this
Speaker 3: technology and they were they were right. They were dead
Speaker 3: on the hair color height. You know, of course they
Speaker 3: can't know hairstyle and all things like that. Facial hair,
Speaker 3: but that a perm Yeah he had a really groovy mullet.
Speaker 3: But no, they were really. It can really help lead
Speaker 3: in the right directions if they have a you know,
Speaker 3: a bunch of suspects or a big pool that you
Speaker 3: know of people they've interviewed or something.
Speaker 2: Like that, can on the DNA.
Speaker 1: It can really dial it in.
Speaker 2: Soy suspect based on the DNA events that he may
Speaker 2: or may not have been wearing an Aerosmith T shirt.
Speaker 1: Oh right, man, it's getting so specific.
Speaker 2: Well, you never know, just advancements happening every day, Dylan.
Speaker 3: So this is okay, continue, I have some thoughts.
Speaker 2: Okay. So, the Virginia Beach Police Department received some grant
Speaker 2: funding in twenty twenty three that allowed investigators to pursue
Speaker 2: forensic genealogy leads, and that is when the direct DNA
Speaker 2: comparison led to the identification of Charles Barry, a sixty
Speaker 2: six year old man living in Newington, Connecticut. Barry was
Speaker 2: confirmed to be the source of the DNA profiles her profile.
Speaker 3: So once they took another stab at it and pursued
Speaker 3: the Familia DNA route, if you will, they got a hit, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Barry was believed to be in the US Navy at
Speaker 2: the time of the murder. Investigators obtained a warrant for
Speaker 2: his DNA which they compared to the profile from the
Speaker 2: crime scene, and so he was arrested on Monday in Newington, Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Police charged him with being a fugitive from justice. He's
Speaker 2: being held on a ten million dollar bond and is
Speaker 2: a waiting extradition to Virginia. Police did not say what
Speaker 2: charges he will face in Virginia, but they are extremely
Speaker 2: confident that they have the right person.
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's great, right yeah.
Speaker 2: The Virginia Beach Police Department police Chief Paul Newdigate says
Speaker 2: he hopes the developments inspire other families waiting for answers.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I agree.
Speaker 2: You know, for those families there there is hope for
Speaker 2: the future. And I always want families to know, like
Speaker 2: you don't have to give up because there is always
Speaker 2: a chance. And with these forensic developments, I mean being
Speaker 2: able to create a composite sketch to know what the
Speaker 2: suspect may look like. I mean, those are amazing advancements
Speaker 2: and you just never know, Like it might take forty
Speaker 2: to fifty sixty years, but these cases can still be solvable.
Speaker 3: You know, back in the day, when I saw that
Speaker 3: they would take a skull and they would re have
Speaker 3: an artist to reconstruct what the person may have looked
Speaker 3: like while living, that really blew me away, right, I
Speaker 3: really thought that was really amazing to be able to
Speaker 3: do that, and you know it's somebody's forensic advancements really
Speaker 3: just blow my mind, you know. And see, what do
Speaker 3: you think about something like because with the DNA we
Speaker 3: see that over and over almost always. This is why
Speaker 3: these cases get solved after many decades, some of the
Speaker 3: oldest cold cases we've heard.
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 3: About if we ever were to put forth like a
Speaker 3: compulsory DNA like you should every citizen should submit their
Speaker 3: DNA to create a comprehensive, complete DNA network.
Speaker 2: Well, now I'm not down for that.
Speaker 3: See though I know the good it could do, I'm
Speaker 3: not down for that. I think it should be your
Speaker 3: right choice to take part in something like that.
Speaker 2: Well as private citizens we have a right to privacy,
Speaker 2: and DNA is one of the most personal things you
Speaker 2: could give up, right, you know, And I just think, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to just offer up my DNA for
Speaker 2: the greater good.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't offer your DNA.
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think it, like I hate to
Speaker 2: sound all dystopian and sci fi movie, you know, person,
Speaker 2: but like I've just not ever seen greater good come
Speaker 2: from things like that, right, It just always seems like
Speaker 2: it may start out as something positive, but it'll get
Speaker 2: in the hands of the wrong person and asterias or
Speaker 2: be used against citizens. And we give up so much
Speaker 2: of our rights to privacy now that the last damn
Speaker 2: thing I'm gonna do is intentionally like give you access
Speaker 2: to my DNA. That's why I've never done one of
Speaker 2: those DNA genetic genealogy family tree tests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me, neither.
Speaker 2: If my relatives want to do it, that's fine. I
Speaker 2: know some of them have, so I'm sure i could
Speaker 2: be tracked down through that in some way. But I'm
Speaker 2: just not ever going to offer up my shit, just okay,
Speaker 2: all right? Yeah, we already live in a surveillance state.
Speaker 1: You know, right quick speaking of retail, but.
Speaker 2: Trying to surveil my body.
Speaker 1: In my DNA.
Speaker 3: You were talking about retail and service workers earlier. It's funny.
Speaker 3: There's a story someone shared about working at Sears back
Speaker 3: in the day. It's kind of creating a bit of
Speaker 3: a sterild lives. Yeah, the guy was just recounting that,
Speaker 3: you know, like the people he worked with were living
Speaker 3: good lives, right they worked at Sears, maybe their department manager,
Speaker 3: they've been there for years. He talked about one man
Speaker 3: who had, you know, sent his kids to college, had
Speaker 3: nice people, had nice cars in the parking lots. He
Speaker 3: worked there, a home, owned a home and was going
Speaker 3: to retire after thirty two years of service with a pension,
Speaker 3: and just you know, just the how happy the people
Speaker 3: were that they had made this good, good career being
Speaker 3: in retail. And then it wasn't like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: almost a look down on now. And it's the people
Speaker 3: wanted to think they can treat people in retail anyway
Speaker 3: they want, like they're sub human or something, just because
Speaker 3: they work there.
Speaker 1: And you know now that they really are.
Speaker 3: Lower paying wage jobs with not real good benefits, and
Speaker 3: all these companies are just continuing to post record profits
Speaker 3: and see I think this is just where this is
Speaker 3: where you see a major failure in our government to
Speaker 3: not control this through laws and legislation and regulation. And
Speaker 3: this doesn't have to be this way. It's been allowed
Speaker 3: to become this way, and it could be you know,
Speaker 3: it could be better.
Speaker 2: We know. I hate to be all like well backing
Speaker 2: mar Day, but I remember being a young person and
Speaker 2: there wasn't like this elitism so much that you get today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like if your friend's dad sold mattresses for a living,
Speaker 2: nobody was like, oh, yeah, I look at him. He
Speaker 2: works in retail, like he's a piece of shit, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's owned his home or a car.
Speaker 2: A welder or like you're I mean, I just feel
Speaker 2: like it didn't really people didn't look down on you
Speaker 2: for what you did. Like work didn't define you. It
Speaker 2: was like people just respected you because you had a
Speaker 2: job and you got up every day and you went
Speaker 2: to work. People weren't like, I don't remember this attitude
Speaker 2: of like looking down their nose at you because categories
Speaker 2: worked in some certain field or whatever. And nowadays you
Speaker 2: get that so much, people acting superior because you know
Speaker 2: they're doing this job and you're doing that, And the
Speaker 2: thing that kills me is like, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of times that fast food worker who's making fifteen dollars
Speaker 2: an hour is making just as much as you with
Speaker 2: a college degree, as you have some entry level receptionist
Speaker 2: job answering phones in an office, and you're just making
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars an hour, So really you're not financially superior
Speaker 2: to this person. You're basically making the same amount of money.
Speaker 2: But the difference is that person working at McDonald's probably
Speaker 2: has access to insurance, college benefits, all the things that
Speaker 2: that corporation offers its employees. Right here, you are working
Speaker 2: at like some you know, mom and pop insurance business,
Speaker 2: and you're not even being offered any benefits. But you're
Speaker 2: looking down at this person who is on a career
Speaker 2: path to potentially be a manager or whatever. And I
Speaker 2: just don't know when this attitude emerge where people think
Speaker 2: they're better than you because of their job. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a fucking job. Nobody wants to work like. I
Speaker 2: don't care if you're an executive at a you know,
Speaker 2: big fortune five hundred company, or you're working retail at Walmart,
Speaker 2: like you probably still don't want to get up and
Speaker 2: go to your job every day, right, you probably hate
Speaker 2: that job. You work with a bunch of assholes. It's
Speaker 2: you know, all political people like you know, cutting throat
Speaker 2: to get in a better position whatever, and you're probably miserable.
Speaker 2: So what makes you think you're better than this person
Speaker 2: who goes and works their retail job and maybe hates
Speaker 2: it just as much as you at your job. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just I don't understand that.
Speaker 3: I suppose, but I mean my friend's mother h retired
Speaker 3: from Belk with a pension, you know, so what happened
Speaker 3: that's worked there for years. That's the problem, is what
Speaker 3: happened to what we've allowed corporations to do and just
Speaker 3: just run away this, you know, beholden to the shareholders
Speaker 3: and all that the record profits, which in I would
Speaker 3: always argue some of the record profits are stolen benefits
Speaker 3: and wages from employees, because you know the old adage,
Speaker 3: when the tide rises, all ships rise along with it
Speaker 3: is the way.
Speaker 2: It should be, exactly my gosh, well doing I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a comedy because fuck of commy.
Speaker 2: But what you're talking about, in my opinion, is not
Speaker 2: just capitalism. That's like predatory capitalism.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well no, its.
Speaker 2: That's the part of capitalism that I do.
Speaker 3: Like, No, that's that's what's when unchecked. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: I think capitalism, free market, truly free market, true free
Speaker 3: market society is really the better of all the systems
Speaker 3: out there when it's properly done, when it's properly regulated,
Speaker 3: not over regulated, but the things that mattered because like
Speaker 3: we've said before, words you don't hear anymore from the
Speaker 3: halls of Congress or any of these meetings or any
Speaker 3: of that is consumer protections. And that was a big
Speaker 3: thing in the eighties and nineties. You heard these big cases,
Speaker 3: these big deals when the consumers were being taken advantage of,
Speaker 3: and you know, the regulators in Congress and such would
Speaker 3: step in and protect the you know, through legislation, protect
Speaker 3: the consumers. And that's just not happening anymore. It's runaway.
Speaker 3: It's predatory capitalism, and it is really it's out of control.
Speaker 3: And I think and now the pressures are everywhere around
Speaker 3: all of us, the economic pressures, the job markt pressures,
Speaker 3: and let alone.
Speaker 1: With all the other social issues.
Speaker 3: That's where it's getting scary because it's unavoidable at all
Speaker 3: levels of households are feeling this pressure that has been
Speaker 3: a long time coming.
Speaker 2: So you're saying these pressures in turn make people go
Speaker 2: into fast food restaurants and show the ass.
Speaker 1: No I didn't. I don't know. No, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. No.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is I'm joking. Yeah, I'm saying is
Speaker 3: our systems run away, been allowed to run away.
Speaker 2: And it's a crime. And that is how we are
Speaker 2: going to wrap it back in. So this is Mountain Murders,
Speaker 2: a true crime podcast and not Dylan's personal journey through
Speaker 2: predatory capitalism.
Speaker 1: That people feel me, our listeners feel me. They do.
Speaker 2: That's why we really need to bring our common sense
Speaker 2: political podcast to the forefront. Okay, that we talk about
Speaker 2: but we never actually record.
Speaker 3: Okay, So thanks for sitting down with me, Heather, appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Another episode of Mountain Murders midweek at the end of
Speaker 3: the week and we'll we can't wait to come back
Speaker 3: with another case. Thank you, listeners, Thank you patrons. We'll
Speaker 3: catch you later.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: Stay safe out there, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, Watch out for the pressures, Watch out for donuts.
Speaker 2: One at your head if you're just trying to get
Speaker 2: a coffee in the morning.
Speaker 1: I remember, if you hit an old lady, she might die.
Speaker 1: Bye Bye