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<v Speaker 1>Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders Midweek Memorial Day edition.

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<v Speaker 2>Or issue as the way you were.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Heather, I'm Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Dylan, you sure do have a lot of issues. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Memorial Day weekends.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, they have not changed from the last Memorial

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<v Speaker 3>Day weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Your issues, no, Well, in case you are unaware of

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<v Speaker 2>Memorial Day, maybe you don't live in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a day for morning the US military personnel

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<v Speaker 2>who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's usually observed on the last Monday of May,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's considered to be the unofficial beginning of summer.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, really kicking off the summer season.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we most we surely thank them for their service

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<v Speaker 3>because they gave the ultimate sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Dylan. A lot of folks take this opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>spend time with family and friends, cook out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe try to make a feel good day out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I could see it being the unofficial kickoff

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<v Speaker 3>of summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>We're heading in you know, you're heading into the month

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<v Speaker 3>of June and it's gonna start getting hot. It's time

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<v Speaker 3>to go swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>It's already been hot, hit.

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<v Speaker 1>The lake, all that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm about to bust a cold pool wide open

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<v Speaker 2>all rights, which should be this weekend. All right, Dylan,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a lot of crime news to get through.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy out there. I wanted to lead with this

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<v Speaker 2>story because Wow. All I'm gonna say is wow. A

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one year old man was allegedly seen on camera

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<v Speaker 2>breaking into the Medical Examiner's office in Phoenix, Arizona and

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<v Speaker 2>having sexual contact with several bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>According to KSA Z, officers from the A Maricopa County

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff's Office responded to a report of a potential bird

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<v Speaker 2>at the medical Examiner's office. Security footage allegedly showed thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one year old Venerous Lou opening eleven different body bags

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<v Speaker 2>and having sexual contact with four deceased bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>My god.

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<v Speaker 2>Authorities found Lou during a search of the building and

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<v Speaker 2>he was taken into custody.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just can't even imagine what drives someone

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<v Speaker 3>to do something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Court records for the case have been sealed, but according

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<v Speaker 2>to jail records obtained by Ktar, Leu was booked into

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<v Speaker 2>the Maricopa County jail on four counts of necrophilia, one

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<v Speaker 2>count of burglary in, one count of possessing burglary tools,

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<v Speaker 2>one count of criminal damage, and one count of attempting

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<v Speaker 2>to escape from custody.

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<v Speaker 3>And one count of unsealing his penis.

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<v Speaker 2>They are not really releasing in additional details at this time,

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<v Speaker 2>and the sheriff's spokesperson said it was mostly out of

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<v Speaker 2>respect for those potentially impacted and to protect the integrity

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<v Speaker 2>of the investigation. I mean, if that was your loved

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<v Speaker 2>one and they're you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Have been desecrated, the has.

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<v Speaker 2>Been desecrated, yes, I wouldn't want that splashed across headline news.

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, and you know there's many times when it's uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know information in some some of these cases, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't feel the public needs to know, you know, people look, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a right to know, but I mean you

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<v Speaker 3>have to be a decent person about it, and like

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<v Speaker 3>you knowing the needy gritty details of what, who, whose

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<v Speaker 3>remains it was or something like that, I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>really none of your business.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the way I look at it. You

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<v Speaker 1>still can be yeah, absolutely, I'm sensible about it.

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<v Speaker 2>There are certain details don't we don't need to know.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't help if the public knows that it can

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<v Speaker 3>only hurt the people impacted or involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well. His bond was set up five hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and he is scheduled to appear in court on

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<v Speaker 2>May twenty ninth. The investigation is ongoing, as they say.

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<v Speaker 3>And I imagine they will have a defense somewhere in

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<v Speaker 3>the realm of he's insane, and that will go over

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<v Speaker 3>with a jury, because this is something that you just

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<v Speaker 3>can't imagine. You can't imagine someone doing this right. It's

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<v Speaker 3>way outside of normal society and behaviors.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what is going on in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just seems like violence escalates on the daily.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have a story that really captures this, Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>In Philadelphia, a fight over a parking spot ended with

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty three year old woman being injured by a

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<v Speaker 2>machete in a machete attack, Oh my gosh. On May twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>the woman called the police at about one am and

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<v Speaker 2>said she'd been attacked during a fight with another driver

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<v Speaker 2>over a parking spot. When officers arrived, the woman had

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<v Speaker 2>a cut on her hip and said the other driver

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<v Speaker 2>pulled out a machete and attacked her during their altercation.

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<v Speaker 2>Before police arrived, The alleged attacker left the scene in

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<v Speaker 2>a blue Nissan CenTra. The victim was treated at a

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<v Speaker 2>local hospital and is in stable condition. They have not

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<v Speaker 2>released the name of the victim. Police are still searching

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<v Speaker 2>for the suspect. When did everyone get such a short

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<v Speaker 2>fuse or that violence is their answer, Like, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even have a confrontation over a parking space, And also

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<v Speaker 2>is it really that important to get into a confrontation

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<v Speaker 2>over a parking space.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just think that's a little ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, that's very ridiculous. I'm all for premium parking,

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<v Speaker 3>you know it. Really There's been times we come out

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<v Speaker 3>of a busy store or something I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>leave because the parking spot is just that good and

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<v Speaker 3>you forced me to leave in us to continue on

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<v Speaker 3>our day, But I want to stay there in that

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<v Speaker 3>premium spot and just you know, look at the everyone

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<v Speaker 3>else's face when they see how good my spot is.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm not going to fight someone over a parking spot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>And it reminds me of that recently, there was an

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<v Speaker 3>elderly woman to go through.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About this, yeah, well, Dylan, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think it showcases this epidemic of violence that's

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<v Speaker 2>taking place in the United States. People have such a

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<v Speaker 2>short fuse, they have no impulse control, and their immediate

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<v Speaker 2>response to anything that should just be you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a conversation or it could be straightened out at

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<v Speaker 2>like the very lowest level, meaning hey, we just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of compromise and figure this out on our own, escalates

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<v Speaker 2>into these violent attacks. Machetes are pulled, guns are pulled.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what are we doing you guys? Well, as

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, Dylan, an elderly woman has died after a

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<v Speaker 2>physical confrontation with a Tim Horton's employee inside a Fort Wayne,

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana restaurant. Anita Grayson, seventy five, had gone inside the

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant on May thirteenth to sort out a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>her drive through order. Once she is at the counter,

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<v Speaker 2>the video shows her yelling at a seventeen year old employee.

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<v Speaker 2>A twenty year old shift leader steps in and asks

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<v Speaker 2>the woman to leave, putting her hands out to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of keep Grayson away from the younger coworker, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>when Grayson shoved the shift lead and hit her in

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<v Speaker 2>the face. In security footage reviewed by the police, the

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<v Speaker 2>argument quickly turned in a physical fight on the lobby floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Grayson scratched the employee and tore out a chunk of

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<v Speaker 2>her hair.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>After the confrontation Grayson in the video, you can see

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<v Speaker 2>her sitting down at a table. She places the hair

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor, like onto her bag. This big chunk

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<v Speaker 2>of hair she's pulled out, sheep. It got to be painful.

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<v Speaker 2>The shift lead then checked on her and brought her

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of like a cup of water. The woman

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<v Speaker 2>was unresponsive by the time officers arrived. She just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fell out and she died. After this confrontation. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now her family is coming out like wanting to sue,

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<v Speaker 2>making it into like it's a civil rights issue. They

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<v Speaker 2>want to sue Tim Horton's. And the thing is, this

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<v Speaker 2>woman escalated the like she's the reason this happened. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. The seventy five year old woman, I mean, one,

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<v Speaker 2>you're seventy five years old. Do you really need to

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<v Speaker 2>go and make a big scene and then you get

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<v Speaker 2>into a confrontation, you're gonna immediately put hands on somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, and if you do, being.

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<v Speaker 2>Old doesn't excuse you from getting your ass whooped. If

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<v Speaker 2>you put your hands on somebody, I'm sorry, no self defense.

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<v Speaker 3>And you should be in her family's like all she has,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, hard issues bly this and that what you

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<v Speaker 3>should know. You should be aware obviously of your own

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<v Speaker 3>health concerns and that maybe this is you should be

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<v Speaker 3>avoiding situations like this instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Of seeking them out all over an order.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I will say, honestly, I also believe the shift

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<v Speaker 3>lead person just twenty years old, right, And a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of times you'll get a position like that just because.

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<v Speaker 1>You show up every day and they can count on you.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is now you're in a managerial position of sorts,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's on you to do everything you can to

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<v Speaker 3>de escalate a situation. Maybe tell the employee, hey, step

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<v Speaker 3>away from them, you go in the back, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>get some you know, separation between them and the customer.

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<v Speaker 3>And you obviously have a very angry customer who's a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not having that or whatever. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>they handled it poorly as well, right, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>probably shouldn't attack even if and I understand that the

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<v Speaker 3>woman mushed your face with her hand, and that would

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<v Speaker 3>piss me off too, And it's hard to say how

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<v Speaker 3>you would react in a situation like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my thing, Dylan. These employees, especially when you get

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<v Speaker 2>into like fast food, they don't make enough money to

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<v Speaker 2>put up with that kind of horseshit. And you best

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<v Speaker 2>believe I don't care if I'm twenty, if i'm forty,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm seventy five years old, and you come at

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<v Speaker 2>me and you put your hands on me, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>paid enough to show professionalism. You put your hands on me,

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<v Speaker 2>professionalism going out in the window. I'm sorry. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to let anybody put their hands on me, And

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<v Speaker 2>especially in a situation like this where I'm at work.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to do my job and then you come

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<v Speaker 2>in here and you attack me physically.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, well no, that's that's crazy. And certainly the

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<v Speaker 3>elderly woman escalated it. I think she certainly created the

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<v Speaker 3>situation all over a messed up coffee order, which is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, well, she's the one that came

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<v Speaker 2>in cussing, screaming, hollering. She's the one that put her.

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<v Speaker 1>Hands on people first, It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she gets her ass whooped or whatever. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't have come in you're grown, you're old enough

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<v Speaker 2>to know better, and you come in here or showed

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<v Speaker 2>your ass. And I guess she just expected these young

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<v Speaker 2>people just like whimper in the corner while she raged.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, and that's not what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not what happened. And I think it's bullshit

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<v Speaker 2>that the family's trying to sue and making it out

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like this poor woman was a victim when

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<v Speaker 2>she's the one that fucking made this situation happen. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if she hadn't been there, this wouldn't have happened, right,

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<v Speaker 2>if she hadn't gone in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, and this is the problem now being.

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<v Speaker 3>The shift lead. Now look at the situation you're in. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you could be in court for at the very least

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<v Speaker 3>a manslaughter charge.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so basically you're telling people they shouldn't go working

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<v Speaker 1>Then no, I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is always in the back of my mind when

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<v Speaker 3>is the kind of dumb shit that can happen. Someone

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<v Speaker 3>they die. They had the brain aneurism, you didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>about whatever. We've all heard the stories. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>But then all you're doing setting a precedence that people

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<v Speaker 2>and take it, which is exactly what this elderly woman

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<v Speaker 2>thought when she went in there, is that she was

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<v Speaker 2>going to go in there and she was going to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe throw a punch or two and maybe trash the restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>because we've seen numerous videos where people go in these

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<v Speaker 2>fast food places and do this kind of thing over

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<v Speaker 2>in order. They're mad because their coke had too much

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<v Speaker 2>ice in it, or they didn't get a ketchup or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it just sets a precedence that you're allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to be aggressive and threaten people and get in their

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<v Speaker 2>face and make them feel uncomfortable, but they are supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to stand back and let you because Oh no, I

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<v Speaker 2>could get sued.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's not what I'm saying, and that would you're

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<v Speaker 3>not being sued, You're you could be put in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not I'm not saying. That's not what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the cops have not they're not going to restless employees.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, I'm saying, well, good because well, the best

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<v Speaker 3>thing about is it's all on video. You can see

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<v Speaker 3>who the aggressor is, and then the consequences that happened

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<v Speaker 3>to her afterward were the consequences of her actions. It's sad,

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<v Speaker 3>it's unfortunate, but that's maybe why you don't go in

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<v Speaker 3>a place raising hell over a coffee, you know whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>whenever I get like shitty food at a place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the shift lead on the video, it shows she's

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly asking this woman to leave, like she's making repeated

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<v Speaker 2>efforts to get Grayson to leave the restaurant before this

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<v Speaker 2>even happens, right, So again, I think she's acting in

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<v Speaker 2>a manner that she should, like, you need to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of here, you need to go, and then she's attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yes, but then I think that she I personally

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<v Speaker 3>think she went a little overboard with the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>being on top of a woman and continuing, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's just me. I wouldn't do that to an elderly woman.

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<v Speaker 3>If they were being a dick. I might get them

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<v Speaker 3>out of my face. I might have an initial reaction

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<v Speaker 3>to them touching me, but I don't think I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>follow them across the lobby and like, you know, attack

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<v Speaker 3>them to that brutally. But again, she was put in

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<v Speaker 3>that situation by someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, Grayson grabbed the twenty year old's face,

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<v Speaker 2>knocked her glasses off, grabbed her by the hair, and

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<v Speaker 2>drug her to the ground. Grayson then rolled on top

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<v Speaker 2>of the shift lead, and that is when the shift

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<v Speaker 2>lead attempts to swap Grayson's arm because she's being held

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<v Speaker 2>by her hair, which Grayson then pulls out quote pulled

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<v Speaker 2>a chunk of hair from the shift lead's head.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a second, so I'm getting the video wrong. The

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<v Speaker 3>reason she follows her across the rooms because she has

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<v Speaker 3>a handful of her hair she drug her across. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, I forgot about the hair.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the shift lead is professional enough to go

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<v Speaker 2>get this lady a glass of water after this.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes right, which shows that she you know she may

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<v Speaker 3>have reacted protected herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically is what looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I love these healthy debates we have on Mountain Mers.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, well, you have to be able to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about things right, And that's what's wrong with That's completely

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<v Speaker 3>what's wrong with America right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see, you've made me mad. Now I'm gonna fight

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<v Speaker 2>you some bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pull your hair out.

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<v Speaker 3>You shown that I'm pulling your pubes out, I'll show

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<v Speaker 3>you no.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, what are you gonna s? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a wat of hair.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna drag me around by my leg hair?

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<v Speaker 3>I told you, having a wad of hair pulled out

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<v Speaker 3>of your head must be a terrible painful feeling. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never had that happen to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean pulled out this lady.

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<v Speaker 1>This it's a significant water hair.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a picture where she's got like a big old

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<v Speaker 2>bald spot like this woman pulled it out by the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking roof. That shit hurts like hell, you know it does?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, So this is all.

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<v Speaker 2>Happening, and I if I'm an employee, im supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>just keep my cool. Well, no, I mean this lady

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<v Speaker 2>was very, very very aggressive in this situation. She was,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry that she passed away, but you brought

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<v Speaker 2>it on yourself. You did this, You were the catalyst

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<v Speaker 2>for all these events, like a domino effect. You did

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<v Speaker 2>these things and the dominoes fell in this way. It's true,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's sad she passed away, but she also, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>she did it herself and at some point her family

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody else in the world. You got to start

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<v Speaker 2>accepting some responsibility for your actions.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here's the thing. That's not the first time she's

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<v Speaker 3>acted like this, and we know it. She's used to

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<v Speaker 3>doing this, showing her ass, getting her way, feeling like

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<v Speaker 3>she was the you know, came out on top in

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<v Speaker 3>a situation. It's just something she's all done, and unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>for her, she did it one time too many.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean, and I'm sorry again, just because

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<v Speaker 2>you're old doesn't mean that does not excuse you. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to allow you to physically harm me

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<v Speaker 2>just because you're old.

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, I don't. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get an old person off me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not gonna lest some seventy five year old

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<v Speaker 2>woman physically attack me. And while I just stand there

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<v Speaker 2>with my thumb up by butt. No, you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>off me. You have no right to put your hands

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<v Speaker 2>on me to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and now what's wrong with it? You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>I go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>For a fucking donut coffee order.

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<v Speaker 3>If I go somewhere and I get bad food, bad service,

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<v Speaker 3>it ain't right whatever, I just don't go back there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand this people.

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<v Speaker 2>I ever raised hell, And I mean there have been

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of times I've gone through drop throughs and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get what I ordered or it's wrong or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just like, you know what it was like

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<v Speaker 2>eight dollars, I'm gonna go huh. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care enough to like make a scene or cuss anybody out.

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<v Speaker 2>I rarely even go back and say like, hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>is wrong, unless it just absolutely is. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>give me a fish sandwich when I order a burger.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna eat that fish sandwich, So I might

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<v Speaker 2>take that back, but otherwise I'm not gonna like scream

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<v Speaker 2>and holler and threaten people.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we went to a not too long ago are

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<v Speaker 3>supposedly very good barbecue.

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<v Speaker 1>Blaze, and our food was fucking disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>It was terrible. Heather's food was horrible. It's supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be brisket. It was a wat of fat and gristle.

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<v Speaker 3>It was disgusting. My food was supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 3>quarter of chicken, you know, smoke chicken, barbecue whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So dry, it's like it had walked forty days through

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<v Speaker 2>the desert with like Moses or something.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like the Christmas vacation turkey. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 3>really did so over. It was almost it was inedible.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we picked at a couple of sides and

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<v Speaker 3>we looked at each other like what the hell got

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<v Speaker 3>a sixty dollars bill for lunch? And we left and

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<v Speaker 3>still gave the you know waitress seven bucks. You know, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>she wasn't gonna get a fat tip, but she got something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because she never came back to cause.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yeah, we never saw.

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<v Speaker 3>But still and guess what, we didn't say anything. We

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<v Speaker 3>didn't bless anybody out, we didn't clear the table, knock

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<v Speaker 3>anything over. We'll just never go back to that place.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the way I've always done. Yeah, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>not the server didn't cook your food, you know this.

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<v Speaker 2>Or that, And I mean she didn't come back and refill.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh she was a shit server. But I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>was to be expected with horrible food.

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<v Speaker 2>You could give me this drss water chicken, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you don't even come back and like give me another

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<v Speaker 2>drink when I'm over here, like oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, trying to rehydrate the chicken. Yeah, well anyway, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's just how I've always been.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Most disappointing, you know, and nothing bothers. It's like this

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<v Speaker 2>pet peeve I have that if I go to a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's just this expectation that you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>tasty food, right, and when you go to a place

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<v Speaker 2>and you're spending this like large amount of money. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but like sixty dollars for lunch is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You did have like a beer or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, but that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was still a lot. I mean, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when my lunch played is like twenty plus dollars, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't refill my drink and then the food shit, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that really frustrates me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like we went to a very expensive restaurant, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>forked out a couple hundred bucks and the food was

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<v Speaker 2>fucking terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It was horrible, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, everybody brags about this place being so wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>and the food was hard. Like I would have been

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<v Speaker 2>better off just cooking my own food at home because

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<v Speaker 2>it tasted like shit. The vegetables were raw. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was fucking horrible, right, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would rather got a seven dollars plate from Ingles Deli.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But even in that situation, bro, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>did not make a big deal. We were just like, wow, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a lot of money wasted and we'll never

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<v Speaker 2>come back here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm not gonna fight somebody or start screaming

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<v Speaker 3>in a public place over something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw another video that circulated around the same time

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<v Speaker 2>that this elderly woman attacked the Tim Horton's employee of

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<v Speaker 2>two ladies who were having dinner. I suppose dinner lunch shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure at uh, you know, I guess kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a high end steakhouse, nicer steakhouse. Okay, they

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<v Speaker 2>end up fighting with the waiter because they keep on

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<v Speaker 2>and on about how their food it's not prepared correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally I guess the waiter gets tired of it

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<v Speaker 2>and is like, the chef knows how to prepare a steak.

431
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<v Speaker 1>They've sent food back multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and so the waiter's like, you know, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>doing this anymore. And then it escalates into these ladies

434
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<v Speaker 2>like physically attacking weight staff and hooting and hollering and

435
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<v Speaker 2>carrying on in the middle of a damn restaurant. Yeah right,

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<v Speaker 2>But then those ladies have also lawyered up and are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make it out like it was it wasn't

438
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<v Speaker 2>their fault. They were victims, like you know, they deserve something.

439
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<v Speaker 2>They were treated, they were mistreated, and it's like, no,

440
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<v Speaker 2>well you don't get to go in a place and

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<v Speaker 2>show your ass.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think what needs one thing that needs to happen,

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<v Speaker 3>because we see how many you could sit there for

444
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<v Speaker 3>hours and watch these videos of these employees, oftentimes in

445
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<v Speaker 3>fast food places or these quick service places, being attacked verbally, physically, whatever.

446
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<v Speaker 3>It's not okay for someone to be in your face

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<v Speaker 3>on the public street. If someone did these same things

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<v Speaker 3>that these people are doing in these fast food play says,

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<v Speaker 3>they would be charges assault, you know, intimidation, communicating threats.

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<v Speaker 3>All kinds of charges will be levied against someone acting

451
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<v Speaker 3>like this out in the street, but then they come

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<v Speaker 3>in a restaurant and show their ass completely and nothing

453
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<v Speaker 3>happens to them. So there needs to be some direct,

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<v Speaker 3>very specific legislation, a law that if you go in

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<v Speaker 3>a restaurant acting like this, you're going to go to

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<v Speaker 3>jail and face the consequences. It's going to be like

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<v Speaker 3>a serious misdemeanor or something. And you just said we

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<v Speaker 3>should really start protecting these employees because of an epidemic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I saw a video not too long ago mentioning that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you see these viral videos all the time,

461
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<v Speaker 2>and people were cheering in the comments because the manager

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<v Speaker 2>picked up a trash can and like knock the shit

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<v Speaker 2>out of the person who was attacking the employees. And yeah,

464
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<v Speaker 2>and on took this big ass trash can and just

465
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<v Speaker 2>like bopped them with it and they kind of toppled over,

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<v Speaker 2>and people were like, yeah, finally a manager taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of his staff.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was what a what a Burger scene not

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<v Speaker 3>long ago where they're throwing the chairs and the high

470
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<v Speaker 3>chairs and those wooden high chairs that weigh fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>That Chipotle ch Potla restaurant in the Navy Yard in DC.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a video of some confrontation where people are throwing

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<v Speaker 2>chairs and food and drinks.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, just chaos. This is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that one video you had a family huddling

476
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<v Speaker 3>in the corner with little kids trying to not get

477
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<v Speaker 3>clobbered by fucking flying furniture.

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<v Speaker 2>When did this become acceptable? We do not have to

479
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<v Speaker 2>live like this, And you're right, there should be some legislation,

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<v Speaker 2>some laws passed because people who work in these customer

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<v Speaker 2>service jobs. I mean, first of all, they're not making

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<v Speaker 2>a fortune.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you know, it's just a job.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a job. They're there just trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>their job. And then you come in and you carry

486
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<v Speaker 2>on and you act a down full and they don't

487
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<v Speaker 2>get paid enough to put up with your shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, sorry, No.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have a right to go in acting like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know who the fuck are you supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be like? What makes you think you're so entitled that

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<v Speaker 2>you can go in a place and put your hands

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<v Speaker 2>on somebody over something really insignificant and minor.

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<v Speaker 3>Your daughter was briefly a cashier at Ingles grocery store,

495
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<v Speaker 3>Ingles grocery store, and the thing she would say that

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<v Speaker 3>these people would say to her while she's just trying

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<v Speaker 3>to wring her fucking food up.

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<v Speaker 1>It was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know I'm biased, but she's absolutely beautiful little

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<v Speaker 2>you know, little girl. She's so pretty. She's pretty, and

501
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<v Speaker 2>she has this beautiful smile and she's so sweet. And

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<v Speaker 2>she would say, you know, I mean, I'm just thinking like,

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<v Speaker 2>how could you talk to this cute little girl like this?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? She would be like, hey, how's your day going?

505
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<v Speaker 2>And people would be like, quit fucking asking me questions,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and she'd be like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, emotional abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I'm supposed to ask you. Or they'd be

509
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<v Speaker 2>like you don't have to talk, like something about why

510
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<v Speaker 2>you always ask why do you always ask me a

511
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of questions? And she's like, well, you know, it

512
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<v Speaker 2>is sort of part of the job day going.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if I don't say anything, you're gonna be pissed

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<v Speaker 3>about that too. Yeah, yeah, all right, So we got

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<v Speaker 3>to protect these people.

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<v Speaker 2>A woman allegedly shot two attorneys outside of a North

517
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<v Speaker 2>Carolina courthouse following a hearing. Damn I saw the video

518
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<v Speaker 2>wild Gwendolaine White was arrested in charged with attempted first

519
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<v Speaker 2>degree murder on Friday, May twenty second. A rest record

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<v Speaker 2>show the fifty seven year old was detained after she

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly shot two attorneys who were representing the Rollsville Police

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<v Speaker 2>Department in a civil case she was involved in. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was outside the Wake County Courthouse in Raleigh, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>This is wild. So the police chief says that Whyat

525
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<v Speaker 2>had been with the attorneys inside the courtroom that morning

526
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<v Speaker 2>and became belligerent in court. After she left the courthouse,

527
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<v Speaker 2>this woman White went to her car, retrieved a gun,

528
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<v Speaker 2>and shot the attorneys, Mary Harris and Jeffrey Whitley, who

529
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<v Speaker 2>were from the Fox Rothschild's law firm as they exited

530
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<v Speaker 2>the courthouse building. Damn Harris was taken into surgery while

531
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<v Speaker 2>Whitley was in stable condition. Wyatt, who was taken into

532
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<v Speaker 2>custody immediately after the shooting, was then transported to the

533
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<v Speaker 2>hospital as well. So the hearing White attended with the

534
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<v Speaker 2>attorneys was tied to a civil case she filed against

535
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<v Speaker 2>the Rollsville Police Department in twenty twenty two, in which

536
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<v Speaker 2>she sought body camera footage from an incident that took

537
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<v Speaker 2>place in her home the year prior. The incident occurred

538
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<v Speaker 2>in March of twenty twenty one, when Rollsville police officers

539
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<v Speaker 2>responded to a verbal altercation between White and her two neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>The officers determined that no crime had occurred, and the

541
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<v Speaker 2>neighbors later sought a civil no contact order against White.

542
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<v Speaker 2>So White requested the bodycam footage and later filed a

543
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<v Speaker 2>motion of contempt against the police department. After her request

544
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<v Speaker 2>was delayed. A judge ultimately dismissed the case in January,

545
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and White's recent hearing was to determine whether it should

546
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<v Speaker 2>be reinstated.

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00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, she showed them. Now she's got two attempted murder charges.

548
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure again.

549
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 2>People taking it too far, right, Like.

550
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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? A civil case?

551
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 3>A civil case, a civil case that's been brought against you. Basically,

552
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 3>it sounds like neighbors just want you to not have

553
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<v Speaker 3>any contact with them, not saying the neighbors are all

554
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 3>in the right. We don't know all the details, but

555
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<v Speaker 3>you know what, it's okay whatever, dude, I don't want

556
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:37.519
<v Speaker 3>to have a contact with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even like you, all right, Dylan in Orlando, Florida.

558
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<v Speaker 2>We've got to talk about this Wowsville. A former Christian

559
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>minister whose aim was to cure LGBTQ plus people through

560
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<v Speaker 2>conversion therapy, has been charged after he allegedly since second

561
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<v Speaker 2>actual messages to a person he thought was a teenage boy,

562
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<v Speaker 2>a fourteen.

563
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Year old boy, Hi the irony right.

564
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Fifty four year old Alan Chambers allegedly started chatting with

565
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<v Speaker 2>an undercover agent in February. According to an arrest report

566
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<v Speaker 2>obtained by w E sh the undercover agent posed as

567
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<v Speaker 2>a fourteen year old boy, and Chambers allegedly sent him

568
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 2>nude photos and other messages with sexual content.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a very very unique type of conversion therapy

570
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>he's trying.

571
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>To use their Chambers allegedly messaged the undercover first on

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<v Speaker 2>Snapchat before moving their conversation off the platform and onto

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<v Speaker 2>the messaging app Telegram.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what.

575
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Telegram's known for it as well as text messages.

576
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>It's encrypting and all that.

577
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>And our government doesn't know how to use it properly. Well,

578
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>because they like to send out you know, yeah, it's

579
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<v Speaker 2>top secret information.

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<v Speaker 1>Well why not be a telegram?

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00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Chambers and the agent allegedly discussed meeting in person

582
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>multiple times. Chambers told the agent to take an uber

583
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>to meet him at his office in winter Park, Florida.

584
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<v Speaker 1>So disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Chambers with the leader of Exodus International, a Christian organization

586
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:25.519
<v Speaker 2>focused on curing LGBTQ plus people through conversion therapy. As

587
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, the organization had two hundred and sixty affiliated

588
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:35.480
<v Speaker 2>ministries and they shut down in twenty thirteen. So on

589
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the Exodus website, Chambers renounced conversion therapy and said that

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<v Speaker 2>he was sorry. He apologized quote for years of undue

591
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.119
<v Speaker 2>suffering and judgment at the hands of the organization and

592
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the church.

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<v Speaker 1>As a whole.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's how our a person who claims to be

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<v Speaker 3>helping people to get their life back on track basically,

596
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<v Speaker 3>but it turns out you're just a pet phile, You're

597
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<v Speaker 3>a pedo.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that's what happens oftentimes in these situations. People

599
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.359
<v Speaker 2>who sit on a high horse act like they are

600
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<v Speaker 2>somehow morally superior and that they know they can pass

601
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>judgment on your lifestyle or your beliefs, and then they're

602
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<v Speaker 2>the ones that end up in some salacious sex scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because they're really the ones with the problem.

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00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of like finger pointing, I think

605
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 2>projection in these situations. What an asshole, fucking weirdo. It's gross.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he texts me. I text him back up. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna punch you in a face. Okay, Yeah, I'm

608
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:41.920
<v Speaker 3>gonna meet you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take an uber over your place and kick

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<v Speaker 1>your ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dylan, this is a strange case, and we did

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<v Speaker 2>discuss this when it first happened. Matthew Hurtkin, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one year old who was responsible for his brother's

614
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<v Speaker 2>order back in Gosh, I can't even remember what year

615
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 2>this was, February of twenty twenty five. I knew it

616
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>had been some time. He was a Wesleyan soccer player,

617
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.759
<v Speaker 2>former Wesleyan soccer player who ripped out his brother's eyeball

618
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 2>and devoured it after stabbing and beating him with golf

619
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 2>clubs in their high end like New Jersey apartment building.

620
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>He also set the family cat on fire after he

622
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 2>slaughtered his twenty six year old brother, Joseph.

623
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<v Speaker 1>What a cat do to you?

624
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Joseph's corpse was found by cops lying in a pool

625
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<v Speaker 2>of blood beside a bloody knife after what was described

626
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 2>as a twisted rampage. So, of course, Herkin was arrested,

627
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:51.359
<v Speaker 2>and according to a forensic psychologist, doctor Perelli, the deranged

628
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>cannibal suffered from quote prophetic and divine visions and was

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<v Speaker 2>found not guilty by reason of insanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He was diagnosed with skitzphrenia, and that he believed himself

632
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<v Speaker 2>at various times to be Jesus Christ, the Antichrist, God,

633
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>or to have multiple souls, and that anytime he closed

634
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.519
<v Speaker 2>his eyes he was quote seeing tremendous visions.

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<v Speaker 3>Look now, it sounds like the guy has some serious issues. Okay, certainly,

636
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<v Speaker 3>And if you're going to find someone not guilty by

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<v Speaker 3>reason of insanity, okay, whatever, Fine, they got problems they

638
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 3>need they need more specialized care than can be provided

639
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:38.759
<v Speaker 3>into prison.

640
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I get it.

641
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 3>I understand what you're saying to a degree. Then that

642
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.680
<v Speaker 3>means you have to have facilities that specialize in this

643
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 3>type of care and treatment where this person can be

644
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 3>locked away for the rest of their life.

645
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 1>They still have to be.

646
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Society still needs to be protected from this person even

647
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 3>though they have these significant issues. They don't they I mean,

648
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying.

649
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, slower a little bit, okay, because he's dead

650
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna get to that.

651
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, well no, but I'm saying so.

652
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Herkin's mental health problems began when he was living in

653
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>New York City in twenty twenty one. According to you know,

654
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 2>those who were in the know, he had an idyllic

655
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>childhood and grew up with his brothers in a one

656
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 2>point one million dollar home in Tom's River, very exclusive,

657
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, affluent neighborhood or town, before his family relocated

658
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 2>to the Michelle Muse apartments, which are also considered quite luxury. Okay,

659
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>so he struggled with these severe and profound mental issues

660
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 2>before he attacked his brother and then they found him

661
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:55.799
<v Speaker 2>dead in his jail cell. Oh so, he took his

662
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>own life parents' suicide and was found dead on May eighth,

663
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>and no official cause of death has been released yet.

664
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.800
<v Speaker 2>But he did previously attempt to hang himself, I guess

665
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>a week after his arrest back in February of twenty

666
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<v Speaker 2>twenty five.

667
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, it's sad for someone to be this

668
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.760
<v Speaker 3>mentally disturbed that they would, you know, attack their own brother.

669
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>And well it was a very horrific crime.

670
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds horrible. So I guess we don't have to.

671
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Be protected from this person anymore.

672
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I was going to get to that part.

673
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>No, but I guess what I was saying more broadly was,

674
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's the issue I have with.

675
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 1>When they find.

676
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 3>Peoplet not guilty by reason of insanity is sometimes they

677
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.559
<v Speaker 3>go to a mental health treatment place and they get

678
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 3>treated for a year or two or whatever until and then,

679
00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, until they convince the doctors that they're better now, right,

680
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.760
<v Speaker 3>and then they let they'll let them out, right, they'll

681
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 3>let them out back into into society, and then many

682
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.519
<v Speaker 3>times something ends up, something else ends up happening. So

683
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 3>that's what I'm saying. I still think you have to

684
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:22.760
<v Speaker 3>should be held responsible for what you did, and I

685
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 3>think society still needs to be protected from you even

686
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 3>if you are if even if you do have mental

687
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 3>health issues, you know what I'm saying.

688
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, otherwise you end up in a Halloween series where

689
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>you have a person who's criminally insane, like Michael Myers, right,

690
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>becoming a serial killer and tracking down babysitters and innocent

691
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.559
<v Speaker 2>young people who are just trying to make whoopee in

692
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 2>the backseat of a car.

693
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're just trying to try to get to know

694
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.639
<v Speaker 3>each other. Yeah, and here you come with your big knife.

695
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 2>How many scary horror movie slashers escaped or were released from,

696
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, the hospital for the criminally insane.

697
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

698
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm making a lot of the situation. But still,

699
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, we need to be you know, we

700
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>need to make sure these people are off the streets.

701
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 2>And it's time and time again. We're seeing these criminals

702
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 2>arrested fifteen thirty five seventy times, you know, and then

703
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.679
<v Speaker 2>they go out and commit a very violent act and

704
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.599
<v Speaker 2>then it's oh, well they have mental issues. But it's like, yeah, okay,

705
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.320
<v Speaker 2>but you didn't deem them mentally ill enough to keep

706
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 2>in jail or to do something with the other seventy

707
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 2>times they were arrested.

708
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Let's see.

709
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing, because you know, they get tired. We've

710
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 3>seen this ourselves, even in small town. They get tired

711
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 3>of dealing with that person because they have to deal

712
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 3>with them all the time, because they're always creating some

713
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of situation because they're not getting the treatment they need,

714
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 3>or they won't take the medicine that they've been prescribed

715
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 3>or whatever the case may be. And they know the person,

716
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 3>they know they're not right, they know they have issues,

717
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 3>and they're in and out the system many times, and

718
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 3>they'll know the person by name until finally that unfortunately,

719
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 3>that person does something very serious and then they're like, oh, yeah,

720
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 3>well they can't be held accountable because we know they

721
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 3>have mental health issues. Then why wasn't something done about

722
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 3>this before? Why wasn't that person forced or given the

723
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.840
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to get the help that they truly need. Why

724
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 3>is it's always the everyday citizen that is at the

725
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 3>other end that, yes, of all these issues, all these issues,

726
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:37.599
<v Speaker 3>homeless issue, the you know, these people that are in

727
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 3>and out of jail that have mental health issues, it's

728
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 3>the public that suffers.

729
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 1>The consequences from all this. Well it's true, All right,

730
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>let's move along here.

731
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 2>There was an actor who went missing. It was on

732
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the show Virgin River and he's been found deceased amid

733
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a homicide investigation. Okay, Stuart McLean remains were identified one

734
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>day after it was announced that the missing actor was

735
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 2>possibly a victim of homicide. Canada's Integrated Homicide Investigation Team

736
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that's a Mouthful announced on Friday that McLain's remains were

737
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.800
<v Speaker 2>located in the Lions Bay area. The forty five year

738
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>old had last been seen at his residence in Lyons Bay,

739
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 2>British Columbia, on Friday, May fifteenth. A missing persons report

740
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 2>was filed for McLean on Monday May eighteenth, and as

741
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 2>the investigation unfolded, homicide investigation investigators are working to collect

742
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 2>and analyze evidence and conduct interviews, and they're reviewing CCTV

743
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>footage of mister mclin's activities prior to May fifteenth. But

744
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 2>they are investigating this as a homicide. They do believe

745
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 2>it's an isolated incident. And yeah, I mean that's kind

746
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:00.639
<v Speaker 2>of a wild story. Huh. Well, yeah, it goes to

747
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 2>show doesn't matter if you're an actor, celebrity or just

748
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.039
<v Speaker 2>a regular Joe on the street.

749
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>You never violence can find you can.

750
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 2>You can never be sure exactly. So he made appearances

751
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 2>on Virgin River, Murder in a Small Town, Happy Face,

752
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 2>and Arrow if you watch any.

753
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Of those shows, all right, I haven't watched any of

754
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.519
<v Speaker 3>those shows, but that's unfortunate.

755
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>It is, this is something else that is unfortunate. If

756
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you are in the Atlanta area. Cobb County investigators are

757
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>searching for additional victims of an accused serial rapist.

758
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Cerial rapists that's so scary.

759
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Jail records show that twenty two year old Jamel Palmer

760
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 2>has been in custody at the Cobb County Detention Center

761
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 2>without bonds since May first, on charges of kidnapping, rape,

762
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:00.840
<v Speaker 2>aggravated assault, burglary, and battery, and it's part of their investigation.

763
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Officials say they believe there are other unidentified victims of

764
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Palmer who have not come forward, and detectives believe some

765
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 2>of the incidents may involve individuals in Georgia and Ohio

766
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>and could date back to twenty twenty two. Police said

767
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 2>that they do believe some of the victims may be

768
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.559
<v Speaker 2>members of the Hispanic community and might be afraid to

769
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>come forward due to immigration status or other reasons, but

770
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>they assured that their goal is to protect all the

771
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 2>victims because they want to hold Palmer accountable.

772
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, that's good.

773
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad they're saying that like that, Like, come, if

774
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 3>you've been a victim, come forward, We don't care about you.

775
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.000
<v Speaker 3>In this instance, I certainly agree with them. You've been

776
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 3>a victim of violent crime. We're just here to help you.

777
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

778
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're saying, like, we believe you as the victim,

779
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>we know you probably have some information related to this,

780
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>and if you come in, we're going to treat you

781
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.199
<v Speaker 2>with dignity, compassion, respect, and that their goal is to

782
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.039
<v Speaker 2>ensure victims feel safe speaking with investigators and receive helping

783
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>resources that they need. They really just want to bring

784
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:06.559
<v Speaker 2>justice to anyone who might have been harmed by this guy.

785
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 2>So investigators are asking anyone who believes that they may

786
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 2>have had contact with Palmer or that they are a

787
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:16.039
<v Speaker 2>victim to call the Cobb County Police Department's Major Crime

788
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Crimes Units. We'll get that out at seven seven zero

789
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.599
<v Speaker 2>four nine nine three nine four five.

790
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 3>And I hope any victims of this piece of shit,

791
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.559
<v Speaker 3>I hope they hear this and they do come forward, because,

792
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, for one, they should get the justice for

793
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 3>being attacked by this horrible person, and they should also

794
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 3>get access to resources, like, you know, even if it's

795
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:47.719
<v Speaker 3>financial or a therapeutic anything that can help them try

796
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.079
<v Speaker 3>to get their cell there, you know, to heal, help

797
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 3>themselves heal.

798
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 2>The idea of a serial rapist is very scary.

799
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I terrifying.

800
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually working on a case that we will be

801
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 2>covering here in the next couple of weeks about a

802
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 2>serial rapist and then of course it escalates further into

803
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>more crimes. But it's really frightening. A lot of times,

804
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, these serial rapists will break into your home,

805
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 2>they climb into your window, they find a way in,

806
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:21.960
<v Speaker 2>they attack you as you're getting into your car.

807
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know.

808
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>And they prey on the week women typically you know,

809
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.639
<v Speaker 2>in a situation where they're alone and they know they

810
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>won't have help.

811
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Or the elderly.

812
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:36.519
<v Speaker 2>It's very frightening.

813
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 3>No, and I think our listeners know what I think

814
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:40.480
<v Speaker 3>about a person like this.

815
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:42.039
<v Speaker 1>I think they should.

816
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Certainly these kinds of charges should come with a death

817
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 3>sentence that should be swiftly carried out, because this is

818
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 3>just one of the most horrible things, the most horrible

819
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 3>violations that you can do to a person. I mean,

820
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 3>there's no other way around it. I think rape is

821
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.280
<v Speaker 3>right there and in ways worse than murder because you

822
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 3>have to live with what they've done to you.

823
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I believe you're absolutely You're correct, Dylan.

824
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for once. No, I'm correct.

825
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 3>A lot correct all the time. Okay, I'll just take

826
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 3>this win and just I'm gonna savor it like a

827
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:29.719
<v Speaker 3>by of a very high end dessert.

828
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>So we should discuss this because you know how much

829
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 2>we'd like to talk about Murder Beach.

830
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

831
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, hey, look, we didn't make it. We didn't make

832
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 3>it Murder Beach, but it certainly Yeah.

833
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Continue, Well, you know a lot.

834
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Of folks are gearing up to go on their summer vacations.

835
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps Myrtle Beach is in your future.

836
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you can get a room down there pretty

837
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:55.360
<v Speaker 3>cheap and go to the Gay.

838
00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Dolphin, buy t shirt, play some ski ball on the boardwalk. No,

839
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.199
<v Speaker 2>that's one of my favorite things to do at Murder Beach.

840
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Visit the Gate Dolphin and play some ski ball.

841
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right.

842
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.360
<v Speaker 2>So more than a dozen people were injured early Sunday

843
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>morning in a stampede incident during the Atlanta Atlantic Beach

844
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:18.440
<v Speaker 2>bike Fest. Corey County Fire Rescue said it was dispatched

845
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 2>to the stage area near Ocean Boulevard in Atlantic Beach

846
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.239
<v Speaker 2>at one oh five am, according to a Facebook post,

847
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>with the help of on scene law enforcement, nineteen patients

848
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.800
<v Speaker 2>were located and evaluated for injuries, none believed to be

849
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.119
<v Speaker 2>life threatening at this time. Three people were transported to

850
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 2>the hospital with injuries, with the possibility of others being

851
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.400
<v Speaker 2>transported or maybe self transporting to local hospitals. So it

852
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 2>was declared a mass casualty incident because of the number

853
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 2>of reported patients. Right The stage on Ocean Boulevard is

854
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>part of the Atlantic Beach Memorial Day, Black Pearl Cultural

855
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Heritage and Bike Festival, or usually just referred to as

856
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.360
<v Speaker 2>a Black By. Performances were scheduled on stage for Saturday

857
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 2>night and well into the morning, according to online information,

858
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:11.840
<v Speaker 2>and this festival runs through Monday. So interim Atlantic Beach

859
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>manager Titus Leak said someday that a person who started

860
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>running created a panic among the crowd of people. He said,

861
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement, we're in a position in the area, and

862
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that an announcement from the stage did kind of help

863
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 2>calm down the situation. But here's the thing, A similar

864
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.840
<v Speaker 2>incident happened last year during the bike festival when ten

865
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 2>people were sent to the hospital after fights created a

866
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 2>mass panic during the concerts. People were injured when they

867
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:41.280
<v Speaker 2>were trampled trying to leave the crowded festival. I just

868
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know, this is the second year in a row

869
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 2>this type of thing has happened.

870
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I just don't understand why people can't get together and

871
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.159
<v Speaker 3>have a good time. I mean, I really don't understand.

872
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, the whole trampling thing is so super scary, and

873
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.199
<v Speaker 2>you would think we would learn a lesson from like

874
00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.840
<v Speaker 2>one year to the next. But I also think of

875
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the Travis Scott the astro World mass trampling events. How

876
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 2>frightening that is. And when you are in a situation

877
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 2>like this, you're in a crowded spot and people just

878
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>start pressing and pressing against you, is so scary.

879
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

880
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 3>I used to listen to I haven't in a while,

881
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 3>but Disaster Area a really good podcast about disasters of

882
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 3>various sorts, and she covered trampling events, stampede events at

883
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 3>things like large soccer games and stuff like that, and

884
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 3>just the it's so scary, Yes, when people are getting

885
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 3>pressed against immovable object or a fence, you know, people

886
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 3>getting pressed against a chainling fence, pressed into it with

887
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.880
<v Speaker 3>this massive weight behind you, you know, and you slowly

888
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 3>into people that survive or you know, give testimony on

889
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.519
<v Speaker 3>how it's like it's just kept getting tighter and tighter,

890
00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.880
<v Speaker 3>and every time they breathe in they could or breathe

891
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 3>they get to breathe in.

892
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>A little bit less.

893
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 3>And it just kept happening, and you have absolutely no

894
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 3>control over it, no way out people climbing over people,

895
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 3>things like that. I mean, it just sounds like something

896
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 3>out of a nightmare.

897
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Well Leak said an emailed statement that while any incident

898
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 2>is unfortunate, it is also important to recognize that this

899
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 2>isolated moment does not reflect the overall success of the event.

900
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.079
<v Speaker 2>The Black Pearl Cultural Heritage and Bike Festival has been

901
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 2>held for over forty years and continues to attract visitors

902
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 2>from across the country because of the positive experience it

903
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:38.559
<v Speaker 2>does provide. I mean, it is a very popular event. Again,

904
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, I don't know, the thought of the trampling.

905
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It just freaks me out. And I know I've been

906
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in tight crowds before, even in at a show where

907
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>people are starting to kind of mosh around or something

908
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and you get pressed up on. I do not like

909
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that feeling whatsoever. But the fact that it's happened two

910
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 2>years in a row is kind of kind of wild

911
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 2>as well. You would just think people would be mindful

912
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of that and try not to repeat a second year

913
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.239
<v Speaker 2>in a row. It's I mean, that's just really scary

914
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.280
<v Speaker 2>for anybody who's in the middle of all that.

915
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 3>Well, for one thing, it's certainly on the crowd for

916
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 3>the most part. In situations like this, sometimes they're confused.

917
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes they think something else is happening. Unfortunately, in the

918
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 3>world we live in today, with the frequency of you know, shooting,

919
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:33.639
<v Speaker 3>mass shooters and all that, people are kind of they

920
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.920
<v Speaker 3>got a hair trigger on a fear almost this right

921
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:40.639
<v Speaker 3>in the back of their minds. If they see someone running,

922
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.519
<v Speaker 3>they will panic and think something's happening, and that seems

923
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:45.559
<v Speaker 3>to be what's kicked.

924
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 1>You know.

925
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, the year before it sound like fights were the problem.

926
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 3>But and that's really the world we live in nowadays.

927
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 3>And this is one of the reasons I don't get

928
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 3>into a shoulder to shoulder crowd because of a ship

929
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.400
<v Speaker 3>like this. I always think about it, maybe happy if

930
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.719
<v Speaker 3>something happens, if an emergency happens, if a fire starts,

931
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 3>or something like that, because even a big guy like me,

932
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter when you're in dealing with forces like this,

933
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 3>if you get knocked down or you do stumble or

934
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 3>something to end up on the ground. In situation like this,

935
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 3>you're very likely to get stomped, stumped to death.

936
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

937
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, in most crowds, I'm usually like one of the

938
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>shortest people. I cannot see above everyone else, so it's

939
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 2>just like a sea of people taller than me, and

940
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I would be probably the first one to go down.

941
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't allow.

942
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It, So yeah, I'm gonna avoid that. You know, it's funny.

943
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.559
<v Speaker 2>I remember, for example, Woodstock ninety nine, right but whatever reason,

944
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like people are just so nostalgic right now

945
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 2>for the eighties and the nineties especially, and I keep

946
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 2>seeing all these videos circulate of Woodstock ninety nine, and

947
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I remember being a young person. I would have been

948
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen when that concert took place, and I remember watching

949
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 2>MTV and being so jealous, like I wanted to be

950
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.239
<v Speaker 2>there so badly, you know, and like didn't get to go,

951
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 2>and just was like watching with envy the people in

952
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the crowds. And now watching footage from that event there crowded,

953
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 2>it was shoulder to shoulder, just hundreds of thousands of

954
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:19.800
<v Speaker 2>people just.

955
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 1>In one space, not enough supplies.

956
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Watching limp biscuit, you know, break some shit or whatever.

957
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I think what was I everything? Like,

958
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I would not want to be in that crowd at all.

959
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 3>No, no, never at any age.

960
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 2>But back then it was like, oh man, I wish

961
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>I was right there in the middle of all that.

962
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.159
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not gonna happen now.

963
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 2>One off our listeners sent me this information, Dylan, and

964
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.880
<v Speaker 2>we got to discuss it before we wrap things up

965
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.360
<v Speaker 2>today because it's one of those cold cases solved. You

966
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 2>know how much I like when we get to solve

967
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:54.440
<v Speaker 2>some cold cases.

968
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:55.159
<v Speaker 1>What you got?

969
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Well. A Connecticut man was arrested for the decades old

970
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>rape and murder of a Virginia woman after forensic evidence

971
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 2>offered new leads in the cold case. The body of

972
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty two year old ROBERTA. Walls was found in a

973
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 2>field in Virginia Beach on the morning of May fifteenth,

974
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six. That is a really long time. That's

975
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.800
<v Speaker 2>forty years for a case to be unsolved. That's so

976
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.239
<v Speaker 2>craz that is that's such a long time for the

977
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>family to get answers well. The Department described her as

978
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.960
<v Speaker 2>a vibrant young woman. She had a promising future ahead

979
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.639
<v Speaker 2>of her. Walls had been sexually assaulted and stabbed multiple times.

980
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Police investigated the homicide, but they had no leads and

981
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.960
<v Speaker 2>eventually it was assigned to the cold case unit. Now

982
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 2>in was I'm sorry, two thousand and one DNA DNA

983
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.599
<v Speaker 2>profile was developed and it was run through the Virginia

984
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Department of Forensic Science. The profile information was also entered

985
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 2>into a nationwide data bank. Investigators determined the DNA profile

986
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 2>belonged to a man, but no matches were found at

987
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 2>that time. And then in twenty seventeen, alab in Northern

988
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Virginia analyzed the DNA and created a composite photo of

989
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Wall's killer. But these developments again did not lead to

990
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty arrests.

991
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:19.840
<v Speaker 1>That was in twenty seventeen.

992
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 2>That was in twenty seventeen.

993
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, you know, And that was once that technology

994
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 3>came about where they could actually get eye color height

995
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:32.159
<v Speaker 3>and get an approximation of what the perpetrator may look like.

996
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:33.920
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was a really big one of the

997
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.039
<v Speaker 3>biggest leaps. That is a big step in forensic science

998
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 3>and DNA that has happened in recent years.

999
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 1>It's really amazing, No, it really is.

1000
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean they can get i mean eerily almost dead

1001
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 3>on I've listened to some cases where they use this

1002
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 3>technology and they were they were right. They were dead

1003
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 3>on the hair color height. You know, of course they

1004
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.159
<v Speaker 3>can't know hairstyle and all things like that. Facial hair,

1005
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.960
<v Speaker 3>but that a perm Yeah he had a really groovy mullet.

1006
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.199
<v Speaker 3>But no, they were really. It can really help lead

1007
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 3>in the right directions if they have a you know,

1008
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.639
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of suspects or a big pool that you

1009
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.000
<v Speaker 3>know of people they've interviewed or something.

1010
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Like that, can on the DNA.

1011
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 1>It can really dial it in.

1012
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Soy suspect based on the DNA events that he may

1013
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 2>or may not have been wearing an Aerosmith T shirt.

1014
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, man, it's getting so specific.

1015
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, you never know, just advancements happening every day, Dylan.

1016
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 3>So this is okay, continue, I have some thoughts.

1017
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So, the Virginia Beach Police Department received some grant

1018
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:43.239
<v Speaker 2>funding in twenty twenty three that allowed investigators to pursue

1019
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 2>forensic genealogy leads, and that is when the direct DNA

1020
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 2>comparison led to the identification of Charles Barry, a sixty

1021
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 2>six year old man living in Newington, Connecticut. Barry was

1022
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:02.079
<v Speaker 2>confirmed to be the source of the DNA profiles her profile.

1023
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 3>So once they took another stab at it and pursued

1024
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:15.519
<v Speaker 3>the Familia DNA route, if you will, they got a hit, right, Yeah.

1025
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Barry was believed to be in the US Navy at

1026
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the time of the murder. Investigators obtained a warrant for

1027
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.639
<v Speaker 2>his DNA which they compared to the profile from the

1028
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:28.119
<v Speaker 2>crime scene, and so he was arrested on Monday in Newington, Connecticut.

1029
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Police charged him with being a fugitive from justice. He's

1030
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 2>being held on a ten million dollar bond and is

1031
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.480
<v Speaker 2>a waiting extradition to Virginia. Police did not say what

1032
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.880
<v Speaker 2>charges he will face in Virginia, but they are extremely

1033
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 2>confident that they have the right person.

1034
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well that's great, right yeah.

1035
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:52.679
<v Speaker 2>The Virginia Beach Police Department police Chief Paul Newdigate says

1036
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 2>he hopes the developments inspire other families waiting for answers.

1037
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 1>I agree, and I agree.

1038
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, for those families there there is hope for

1039
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the future. And I always want families to know, like

1040
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.440
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to give up because there is always

1041
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a chance. And with these forensic developments, I mean being

1042
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.800
<v Speaker 2>able to create a composite sketch to know what the

1043
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 2>suspect may look like. I mean, those are amazing advancements

1044
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.760
<v Speaker 2>and you just never know, Like it might take forty

1045
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:27.360
<v Speaker 2>to fifty sixty years, but these cases can still be solvable.

1046
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, back in the day, when I saw that

1047
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 3>they would take a skull and they would re have

1048
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 3>an artist to reconstruct what the person may have looked

1049
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.440
<v Speaker 3>like while living, that really blew me away, right, I

1050
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.719
<v Speaker 3>really thought that was really amazing to be able to

1051
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:55.159
<v Speaker 3>do that, and you know it's somebody's forensic advancements really

1052
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 3>just blow my mind, you know. And see, what do

1053
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.880
<v Speaker 3>you think about something like because with the DNA we

1054
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 3>see that over and over almost always. This is why

1055
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:09.039
<v Speaker 3>these cases get solved after many decades, some of the

1056
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 3>oldest cold cases we've heard.

1057
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 1>What do you think.

1058
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.719
<v Speaker 3>About if we ever were to put forth like a

1059
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 3>compulsory DNA like you should every citizen should submit their

1060
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<v Speaker 3>DNA to create a comprehensive, complete DNA network.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now I'm not down for that.

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00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 3>See though I know the good it could do, I'm

1063
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 3>not down for that. I think it should be your

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00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 3>right choice to take part in something like that.

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00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Well as private citizens we have a right to privacy,

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00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and DNA is one of the most personal things you

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00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:58.480
<v Speaker 2>could give up, right, you know, And I just think, no,

1068
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to just offer up my DNA for

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00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the greater good.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't offer your DNA.

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00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I think it, like I hate to

1072
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:12.000
<v Speaker 2>sound all dystopian and sci fi movie, you know, person,

1073
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 2>but like I've just not ever seen greater good come

1074
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>from things like that, right, It just always seems like

1075
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.840
<v Speaker 2>it may start out as something positive, but it'll get

1076
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:27.679
<v Speaker 2>in the hands of the wrong person and asterias or

1077
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 2>be used against citizens. And we give up so much

1078
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:34.199
<v Speaker 2>of our rights to privacy now that the last damn

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00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.400
<v Speaker 2>thing I'm gonna do is intentionally like give you access

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00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 2>to my DNA. That's why I've never done one of

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00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>those DNA genetic genealogy family tree tests.

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00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me, neither.

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00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 2>If my relatives want to do it, that's fine. I

1084
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 2>know some of them have, so I'm sure i could

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00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.159
<v Speaker 2>be tracked down through that in some way. But I'm

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00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:58.320
<v Speaker 2>just not ever going to offer up my shit, just okay,

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00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.960
<v Speaker 2>all right? Yeah, we already live in a surveillance state.

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00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, right quick speaking of retail, but.

1089
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Trying to surveil my body.

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<v Speaker 1>In my DNA.

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00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.119
<v Speaker 3>You were talking about retail and service workers earlier. It's funny.

1092
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 3>There's a story someone shared about working at Sears back

1093
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.280
<v Speaker 3>in the day. It's kind of creating a bit of

1094
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.840
<v Speaker 3>a sterild lives. Yeah, the guy was just recounting that,

1095
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, like the people he worked with were living

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00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 3>good lives, right they worked at Sears, maybe their department manager,

1097
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 3>they've been there for years. He talked about one man

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00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 3>who had, you know, sent his kids to college, had

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00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.880
<v Speaker 3>nice people, had nice cars in the parking lots. He

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00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:39.119
<v Speaker 3>worked there, a home, owned a home and was going

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00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:41.960
<v Speaker 3>to retire after thirty two years of service with a pension,

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00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 3>and just you know, just the how happy the people

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00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 3>were that they had made this good, good career being

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00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 3>in retail. And then it wasn't like, you know, it's

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00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.519
<v Speaker 3>almost a look down on now. And it's the people

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00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 3>wanted to think they can treat people in retail anyway

1107
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.960
<v Speaker 3>they want, like they're sub human or something, just because

1108
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:05.239
<v Speaker 3>they work there.

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00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know now that they really are.

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00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Lower paying wage jobs with not real good benefits, and

1111
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:17.400
<v Speaker 3>all these companies are just continuing to post record profits

1112
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:19.960
<v Speaker 3>and see I think this is just where this is

1113
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.000
<v Speaker 3>where you see a major failure in our government to

1114
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 3>not control this through laws and legislation and regulation. And

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00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.599
<v Speaker 3>this doesn't have to be this way. It's been allowed

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00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:36.480
<v Speaker 3>to become this way, and it could be you know,

1117
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 3>it could be better.

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<v Speaker 2>We know. I hate to be all like well backing

1119
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>mar Day, but I remember being a young person and

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00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:49.679
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't like this elitism so much that you get today. Yeah,

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00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:53.320
<v Speaker 2>like if your friend's dad sold mattresses for a living,

1122
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:56.519
<v Speaker 2>nobody was like, oh, yeah, I look at him. He

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00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.719
<v Speaker 2>works in retail, like he's a piece of shit, you

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00:59:58.719 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

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00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's owned his home or a car.

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01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.880
<v Speaker 2>A welder or like you're I mean, I just feel

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01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:07.440
<v Speaker 2>like it didn't really people didn't look down on you

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01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.960
<v Speaker 2>for what you did. Like work didn't define you. It

1129
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.119
<v Speaker 2>was like people just respected you because you had a

1130
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:14.840
<v Speaker 2>job and you got up every day and you went

1131
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Speaker 2>to work. People weren't like, I don't remember this attitude

1132
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.639
<v Speaker 2>of like looking down their nose at you because categories

1133
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:24.679
<v Speaker 2>worked in some certain field or whatever. And nowadays you

1134
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:30.320
<v Speaker 2>get that so much, people acting superior because you know

1135
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.320
<v Speaker 2>they're doing this job and you're doing that, And the

1136
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.880
<v Speaker 2>thing that kills me is like, you know, a lot

1137
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.599
<v Speaker 2>of times that fast food worker who's making fifteen dollars

1138
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.960
<v Speaker 2>an hour is making just as much as you with

1139
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.559
<v Speaker 2>a college degree, as you have some entry level receptionist

1140
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 2>job answering phones in an office, and you're just making

1141
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:52.599
<v Speaker 2>fifteen dollars an hour, So really you're not financially superior

1142
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 2>to this person. You're basically making the same amount of money.

1143
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.079
<v Speaker 2>But the difference is that person working at McDonald's probably

1144
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:04.679
<v Speaker 2>has access to insurance, college benefits, all the things that

1145
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that corporation offers its employees. Right here, you are working

1146
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.960
<v Speaker 2>at like some you know, mom and pop insurance business,

1147
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.239
<v Speaker 2>and you're not even being offered any benefits. But you're

1148
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.159
<v Speaker 2>looking down at this person who is on a career

1149
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.199
<v Speaker 2>path to potentially be a manager or whatever. And I

1150
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:24.800
<v Speaker 2>just don't know when this attitude emerge where people think

1151
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 2>they're better than you because of their job. I mean,

1152
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.599
<v Speaker 2>it's a fucking job. Nobody wants to work like. I

1153
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.159
<v Speaker 2>don't care if you're an executive at a you know,

1154
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 2>big fortune five hundred company, or you're working retail at Walmart,

1155
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>like you probably still don't want to get up and

1156
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.760
<v Speaker 2>go to your job every day, right, you probably hate

1157
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that job. You work with a bunch of assholes. It's

1158
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, all political people like you know, cutting throat

1159
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.679
<v Speaker 2>to get in a better position whatever, and you're probably miserable.

1160
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So what makes you think you're better than this person

1161
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:59.199
<v Speaker 2>who goes and works their retail job and maybe hates

1162
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:00.960
<v Speaker 2>it just as much as you at your job. I mean,

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01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it's just I don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose, but I mean my friend's mother h retired

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01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:11.000
<v Speaker 3>from Belk with a pension, you know, so what happened

1166
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.719
<v Speaker 3>that's worked there for years. That's the problem, is what

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01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:20.880
<v Speaker 3>happened to what we've allowed corporations to do and just

1168
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 3>just run away this, you know, beholden to the shareholders

1169
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 3>and all that the record profits, which in I would

1170
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.920
<v Speaker 3>always argue some of the record profits are stolen benefits

1171
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.280
<v Speaker 3>and wages from employees, because you know the old adage,

1172
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:39.079
<v Speaker 3>when the tide rises, all ships rise along with it

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01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:39.760
<v Speaker 3>is the way.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be, exactly my gosh, well doing I mean,

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01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be a comedy because fuck of commy.

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01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.800
<v Speaker 2>But what you're talking about, in my opinion, is not

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01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.320
<v Speaker 2>just capitalism. That's like predatory capitalism.

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01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, well no, its.

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01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.400
<v Speaker 2>That's the part of capitalism that I do.

1180
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Like, No, that's that's what's when unchecked. You know, I'm

1181
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:08.840
<v Speaker 3>I think capitalism, free market, truly free market, true free

1182
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:13.480
<v Speaker 3>market society is really the better of all the systems

1183
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.960
<v Speaker 3>out there when it's properly done, when it's properly regulated,

1184
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:20.639
<v Speaker 3>not over regulated, but the things that mattered because like

1185
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 3>we've said before, words you don't hear anymore from the

1186
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:26.000
<v Speaker 3>halls of Congress or any of these meetings or any

1187
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.440
<v Speaker 3>of that is consumer protections. And that was a big

1188
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.199
<v Speaker 3>thing in the eighties and nineties. You heard these big cases,

1189
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 3>these big deals when the consumers were being taken advantage of,

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01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:41.639
<v Speaker 3>and you know, the regulators in Congress and such would

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01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 3>step in and protect the you know, through legislation, protect

1192
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.400
<v Speaker 3>the consumers. And that's just not happening anymore. It's runaway.

1193
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 3>It's predatory capitalism, and it is really it's out of control.

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01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.119
<v Speaker 3>And I think and now the pressures are everywhere around

1195
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:00.760
<v Speaker 3>all of us, the economic pressures, the job markt pressures,

1196
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:02.159
<v Speaker 3>and let alone.

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01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:03.480
<v Speaker 1>With all the other social issues.

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01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.599
<v Speaker 3>That's where it's getting scary because it's unavoidable at all

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01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:13.519
<v Speaker 3>levels of households are feeling this pressure that has been

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01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:14.480
<v Speaker 3>a long time coming.

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01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:18.559
<v Speaker 2>So you're saying these pressures in turn make people go

1202
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.679
<v Speaker 2>into fast food restaurants and show the ass.

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01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.480
<v Speaker 1>No I didn't. I don't know. No, you know, I

1204
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't say that. No.

1205
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:30.079
<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying is I'm joking. Yeah, I'm saying is

1206
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 3>our systems run away, been allowed to run away.

1207
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's a crime. And that is how we are

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01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.599
<v Speaker 2>going to wrap it back in. So this is Mountain Murders,

1209
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 2>a true crime podcast and not Dylan's personal journey through

1210
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 2>predatory capitalism.

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01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:47.079
<v Speaker 1>That people feel me, our listeners feel me. They do.

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01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 2>That's why we really need to bring our common sense

1213
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:54.559
<v Speaker 2>political podcast to the forefront. Okay, that we talk about

1214
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:55.960
<v Speaker 2>but we never actually record.

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01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.679
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So thanks for sitting down with me, Heather, appreciate you.

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01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Another episode of Mountain Murders midweek at the end of

1217
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 3>the week and we'll we can't wait to come back

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01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:11.039
<v Speaker 3>with another case. Thank you, listeners, Thank you patrons. We'll

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01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:11.679
<v Speaker 3>catch you later.

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01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:12.239
<v Speaker 1>You know what.

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01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Stay safe out there, that's.

1222
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, Watch out for the pressures, Watch out for donuts.

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01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:18.760
<v Speaker 2>One at your head if you're just trying to get

1224
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:19.559
<v Speaker 2>a coffee in the morning.

1225
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I remember, if you hit an old lady, she might die.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye Bye