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Speaker 2: Carl Doll is back here. You don't Carl doing great?

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Pete Hail Victory.

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Speaker 1: Hel Victory were doing this, how about twelve hours after

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we found out that Donald Trump is going to be

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the forty seventh president of the United States. And yeah,

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I literally just woke up a little while ago. I

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don't think you've selept it all.

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Speaker 2: I'm exhausted, but it's good. A caffeine and a nice

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cocktail will keep me moving great.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, the episodes we've done on the Spanish

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Civil War before are gonna be a little different than

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this one because in this and this is going to

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take more than one episode, we are going to go

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through the causes, the lead up, the war itself, and

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the aftermath, and we're going to do it all, you know,

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following you know, following an outline. So I think this

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is something we can put together and will be a

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nice resource for people so that they can, you know,

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get a history on it and be able to tell

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people about an event that happened last century that is

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basically ninety eight percent of the people who talk about

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it are lying about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what just popped into my mind, Pete. Hyperlinks.

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We can make it a hyperlink document and we can

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just link to all kinds of sources that are all online,

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because one of the key points is it's a very

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high level treatment. It's a bullet it's bullet points, any

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bullet point. There are scholars who've devoted their lives to

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individual bullet points to explain them. So we're going to

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go super high level. I really recommend the shows that

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Pete has done with Paul Fahrenheit talking about you know,

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Spanish Empire and all that. That's the level of deep

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dive you need to really understand. But we hope that

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this at least gets people started in comprehending kind of

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the scale of this scenario that we're talking about here,

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which is the history of Spain, how it led, you know,

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how that led to the Spanish Civil War, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So all right, so I'm going to start going through

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the document. I'll just start. You have a nice preface here,

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and then i'll start reading and you stop me when

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I mean, I'm sure i'll know the natural place to

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stop because I've read through this. Yeah, and yeah, we'll

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let you comment on it. All right, awesome, This is

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the preface. What follows is the highest level disolation of

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detail possible for such a presentation. Almost every bullet point

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below could easily drive a lifetime of study. English language

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material in Spanish Civil War proper is very much lacking. Estimate.

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There are less than one hundred books in the subject,

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most of them obscure or focused upon a narrow subject.

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Almost all are long out of print quote unquote. Republicans

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rule the roost of this Banish academy, and the vast

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literature of the nationalist cries out to be translated. Starting

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Causes and Conditions of the Spanish Civil War, the causes

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and conditions which led to the Spanish Civil War. To

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understand them, we must know that between the years when

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the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the

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rise of the Sons of Arius, there was an age

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undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world

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like blue mantles beneath the sea. Did a poet write this?

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Speaker 2: Robert Y Howard all right?

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Speaker 1: First, both point social conditions relating to settlement patterns pre

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dating the Reconquista. Broadly, tradition in northern Spain meant pre

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medieval rights and privileges codified for all social classes per

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the Old Fueros. In southern Spain, the landless peasants saw

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little change in their circumstances under the Carthaginians, Romans, Moors,

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and Spanish. Many parts of Spain, particularly Andalucia, maintain large

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persistent bandit outlaw cultures developed during the Reconquista, which never

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went away. This tendency fused with the radical ideologies of

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the nineteenth century.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a really important point because and think

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of this when you think about the kind of outlaw

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cultures that have developed in America, when you're thinking about

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our own situation, all of those little outlaw cultures, whether

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it's drug culture, hippie culture, you know, sub ethnic groups, etc.

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a like intellectual bent to this like already radical and

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violent subculture, it gives it like legitimacy. And also in

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that culture then has a lot of influence and cachet

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with like the middle class who and you know, upper

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class and scholarly types and et cetera, for whom those

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ideologies resonate, so that drives like real radicalization and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when you have that kind of and

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Spain's main problems is is that it was always sort

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of decentralized with all the different provinces and they could

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be austonymous. And then you introduce a radical ideology in

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the nineteenth century, and that's when I mean you're basically

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throwing a match into a you know, throwing a match

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to a powder kick. Absolutely right. Next bullet point the

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lack of investment in and development of Spain during the Empire. Comparison.

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English colonial model as seen in the America's Ignores India.

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Surplus population flows to the colonies to conquer and settle,

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raw materials, load from the colonies to the homeland, finished

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products from the homeland floats to the colonies, and trading partners.

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Spanish colonial model exploration, conquest and settlement of territory with

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small populations of chartered foreigners i either genuine columbus or

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elite primarily Castilian Spanish nobles, following the same pattern as

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the Spanish reconquista.

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Speaker 2: And that's really important because when and this is kind

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of closer to you know, I mentioned that India model

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with the English Empire, the British Empire, that's basically parallel

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with the Spanish model is you actually have elites and

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you know, you have some other folks go out and

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conquer these territories, but they create a new like cultural

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hierarchy there and then they exist there and it's about

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that place. So it's about developing that place with a

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tiny sliver of Spanish who remained Spanish. Okay, exploration and

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conquest took place well into the eighteenth century, which was expensive,

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very expensive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, The Incomienda Commission granted colonists to the right to

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contribute and force labor from the native population. The Consulado

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de Mercaderas Mercaderas or Merchant Guild, monopolized trade goods in

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the Indies via the port of Seville later Cadiz until

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about seventeen sixty three. Silver flowed via the Spanish treasure

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fleet to the port, which paid for trade goods in Spain. However,

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most of the goods came from the rest of Europe,

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although eventually Catalonia came to dominate domestic production for the

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colonial trade, so that we got.

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Speaker 2: Vast treasure blowing in goes largely to the rest of

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the continent other than the cut that like the merchant

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Guild and you know, the royal family. Get so, I'll

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let you follow up with specific numbers that put that

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into perspective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have some statistics here. In fifteen twenty twenty

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three years before the Merchant Guild was founded. In fifteen

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forty three, the total silver export of Spanish America was

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valued at around five hundred thousand pesos, with the royal

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family getting four hundred thousand pesos of the silver profit.

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in Spanish America, the total silver export was valued at

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around seven million pesos, of which the royal family gained

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only one point five five hundred and fifty thousand, and

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the rest going to Casa de Contraxion and the Consola Consolado.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so almost all the money, if you look at it,

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is flowing out of the country. And why you know,

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it's not only that merchant trade. But we'll start talking

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about the rest of it. So it wasn't that money.

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I mean that it was going to some development. There's

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a lot of you know, beautiful cathedrals and stuff that

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date from that time, but it wasn't not huge amounts

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of it were going to improve you know, the infrastructure

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and you know developing, you know, the country of Spain itself.

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It was this system that was kind of layered on

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top and staying and kind of flowing through in that

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direction rather than trickling down.

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Speaker 1: The next point is the huge cost of maintaining a

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vast empire against incursions by European competitors. The Habsburg rulers

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of Spain fifteen oh six two oops was seventeen oh.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like seventeen oh three or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, left domestic policy up to the established order in Spain.

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Isabella the First and fernand the Second's daughter Joanna, married Philip,

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the handsome son of Maximilian, the first Holy Roman Emperor.

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In fourteen ninety six, Philip became King of Castile. Jur

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had you predunce.

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Speaker 2: That, jurie eusaurus, which is like proper like instead of it,

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you know, d jour, it's like de facto. But he

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was formally made king of Castile in fifteen oh six, yep.

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Speaker 1: And there's no problem I needed to pronounce. And their

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focus was war to drive the Ottoman Sarks out of Europe,

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War to maintain Habsburg control over the Roman Holy Roman Empire.

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War to defend the Roman Catholic Church against a Protestant Reformation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so most of their the Habsburg tenure, there was

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massive upheaval taking place in Europe all through that period.

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the Turks, and then just you know.

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Speaker 3: The the the the religious wars, you know, war constantly,

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and so that was also very expensive and required a

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big focus for the Habsburg rulers.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't worth the trouble to meddle too much in

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the affairs of Spain. There were lots of little uprisings,

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you know, when they came in because here these outsiders

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that are running things, they developed a kind of a

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buffer and let the nobles kind of keep things the

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way they were and doing things the way that they

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wanted to.

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Speaker 1: And then there was a broad split near universally atheist

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liberalism and traditional Catholicism, which festered to revolutionary atheistic anarchism

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and Marxism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really accelerated during the nineteenth century. If you Pete,

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you just put out a series of readings on the

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kind of a lot of the Marxist literature and Stalinist literature.

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I think people don't understand very well like the degree

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to which Marx was commenting on what was taking place

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during the middle of the nineteenth century. And you know,

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in America we had our revolution kind of before this

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and established our country before this. But Europe was in

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massive upheaval. And if you look at the example of

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France and the Bloody Revolution, when you see the Republic

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of France, it's not a good thing. The Republic is

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horrific when it comes to how they handled the religious

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and traditionalists, not just the upper classes.

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Speaker 1: Just took us. We just got delayed by about two

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hundred years. Yeah, exactly, all right. Nineteenth century Spain hemorrhages

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its overseas colonies. Between eighteen ten and eighteen ninety eight,

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eighteen oh seven and eighteen fourteen, the Republic of France

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invade Spain to imposed the revolution. Britain intercedes, resulting in

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a bloody war of all against all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll see that in British. You know, the British

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will acknowledge that they were basically engaging in atrocities because

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their supply lines were disrupted, so they would go into

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villages and take all the food and shoot anyone who resisted.

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You know, it was it was not a pleasant time.

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It was a very brutal war. But what that did

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was it gave all these little factions combat experience, and

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so as they assert themselves, it's very easy for them

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to go to go to guns.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen thirty three, the Old Secession switcheroo places Queen Isabella

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on the throne rather than Infante Carlos. Traditionalists support Carlos

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and his descendants call hence the Carlosts. In three armed

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risings this century, the First Carlos War eighteen thirty three

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to eighteen forty, the Second Carlist War eighteen forty six

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to eighteen forty nine, and the Third Carlist War eighteen

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seventy two to eighteen seventy six. Eighteen seventy three to

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eighteen seventy four, the First Spanish Republic lasts eleven months,

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ends in a military coups, and then the Bourbon Restoration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they went through this whole process kind of

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transition into liberalism. All the different uprisings and fights and

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left and the right on the kind of you know monarchists,

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you know, constitutional liberal monarchists. It's stuck in the middle,

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all these different groups kind of trying to pull away

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and establish what they wanted. And then the Bourbon Restoration

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reappointed a non liberal royal and to kind of bring

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things back to normal, because that's literally what the people

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who are willing to fight wanted.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move up to the twentieth century. Spain

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maintains a large rural population while select industrial cities rapidly urbanize.

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Neutral Spain's economy both agricultural and industrial boom. During World

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War One, the left fractures into disparate radical factions, with

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large swaths of the urban working classes joining Marxists and

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Speaker 2: And I'll point out, like p you're knowledgeable because you've

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anarchist movements, you know, BA Cunan influenced people and all that.

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x about this fairly recently, and it's it's actually really

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that the the opinions on anarchism versus Marxism came down

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to people's impressions of like Bakunin and Marx themselves like

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the man, and I think there's something really interesting there

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that that would be worth worth talking about. But when

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it really comes down to it, you see how they

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Spanish Civil War, but then it fractures because of the

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hardcore communists and the support that they get from the

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Soviet Union, whereas the kind of ideological purists who kind

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of want to do you know, socialism in one country

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or anarchism in one country. They want to get to

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the revolution, which to them is not war, right, So

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just just a thought for future reference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna ask you was

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there a specific reason in the nineteenth century you left

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out Giuseppe Finelli.

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Speaker 2: I I just didn't get into the details. But Finelle's

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super interesting, especially because of the influence that he had

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completely in the inheritors of Finelle and his and his

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uh you know, force of personality and his influence internally,

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by individual personalities. But yeah, I think I think it

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would be great to dive into talking about some of

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those personalities sometime because of how telling it really is

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to to look at that.

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Speaker 1: And one thing about Spain is no one ever hid

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what their beliefs were.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, that's actually a really interesting point. Yeah,

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they were very open about it, right.

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Speaker 1: Political instability, driven by street violence results in a Coudeta

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led by Miguel Primo de ra Vera in nineteen twenty three,

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with the approval of King Alfonso the thirteenth. The dictatorship collapses,

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the king abdicates, and the Second Spanish Republic is born

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in nineteen thirty one. From May tenth through May thirteenth,

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anarchists and communists burn down over one hundred religious buildings,

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including the primary Jesuit monastery in Madrid. Countless and valuable

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historical works have destroyed, and many clergymen are killed. The Republic,

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headed by fervent anti Christians, refuses to intervene.

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Speaker 2: And that develops the pattern that we see that leads

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to the radicalization of the right, which is that the

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left goes nuts and then the supposedly like legitimate authority

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just sits back. And there's even there's even a quote

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I forget who said it. It may have been Asagna

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who said in the very early days that you know,

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not one of those people is worth the life of

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a single Republican.

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Speaker 1: The republic imposes de jeri social revolution, nationalizing church properties,

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banning religious instruction and public processions, and instituting land seizures.

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In nineteen thirty two there's some Michael Jones talks about

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how a lot of the Protestant Reformation was about yes,

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getting church, stealing church properties and stealing land, and.

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Speaker 2: The history in Britain is very interesting on that subject

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as well. Yeah, it's all all over the Protestant countries.

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That was done absolutely seen thirty two Carlos Forum, com Communion,

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a traditional Lista, and Requete defense militias.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So they have a party which is the face, the

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political face of the organization for electoral purposes and to

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mobilize people like legally above board, and then they have

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the the youth organizations and the radical militias who are

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preparing for war just like the Ira, like the Shinfein

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as the political front, and then you have the actual

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Ira behind them.

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Speaker 1: There was something else happening very similar to that in

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another country in Europe at the same time, very much so. Yeah.

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August nineteen thirty two, a bloodless military coup intended to

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reign in the excesses under the Republic, headed by General

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san Juro. The san Houra sanjur Haba fails. The conspirators

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are sentenced to death, though for most this is downgraded

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to imprisonment than exile.

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Speaker 2: And that was done because they didn't want to provoke

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the republic, did not want to provoke the right wing

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to violence or further political mobilization, I should add, which

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they failed.

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Speaker 1: At so conservative and reactionary elements. When the nineteen thirty

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three elections, which triggers mass left wing violence and church burnings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so they it's basically Antifa gets called out because

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they weren't able to do fraud in twenty sixteen. They

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were totally taken aback by the actual turnout. Their fraud failed,

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and so they chimped out.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty four, Sada's victory at the polls doesn't materialize

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into power due to suppression by modern Republicans, Azagna, general

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strikes and an Asturian anarchist uprising. And at the wards

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to come, when thirty four priests, six seminarians and several

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businessmen and civil guardsmen are executed by the Revolutionary Committee,

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fifty eight religious buildings are destroyed, the rising of thirty

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thousand revolutionaries is snuffed out by General Franco on order

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of the Republic, at a total cost of up to

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two thousand lives.

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Speaker 2: And mass incarceration of prisoners. So in nineteen thirty six,

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when they talk about the Left opening up the prisons,

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it was supposedly because of you know, all the revolutionaries

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between now and nineteen thirty six that end up in there.

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A lot of them are just like psycho criminals. But

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they put something like ten thousand CNT people into prison alone.

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Speaker 1: The Stata youth movement, flocks of the Carlists and falong

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and forlongest militant organizations.

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Speaker 2: And that's because the electoral party, like they they saw

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the failure of electoral politics to do anything. They already

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understood what was going on, so they said, we're going

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to organize with the established militant organizations that are in

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our milieu.

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Speaker 1: Carlos commit most of their financial resources to arming and

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training the Rikitis. Jose Enrique Varella alias Don Pepe, transitions

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Rakitis from ten men decurias, a local defensive structure, into

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a variation on the traditional Spanish infantry structure.

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Speaker 2: So the idea here is that you would have, you know,

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small groups of people that would organize, and so they

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would put them into this ten man it was a

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it was a Roman Roman kind of structure, and then

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they would have like individual officers that can contact them,

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meaning there aren't that many of them, but at this

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point there's so many people and they're getting so organized.

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They just start preparing them to be a separate basically

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a separate army that they can plug into army units

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that they control when the time is right, which comes

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very soon.

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Speaker 1: General Franco is exiled to the Canary Islands, while Jamiist

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General Mola is sent to Carlost heartland of backwater Nevada

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because the Republican government couldn't imagine right wing factional alliances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Himaeists were the I.

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Speaker 1: Was gonna say, yeahsked, but what ares.

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Speaker 2: So Himaeists were the They were just the royalists who

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supported the old king, King Alfonso the thirteenth in his line,

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which was like King Jaime, So they were called Hymenists.

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So if you go all the way back when there's

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that split with the Carlis and the others, they're still

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they're still following Borbone line people. It's just the libtards

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couldn't imagine that these people could reconcile with one another

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because they were like, oh, well, they're these silly, like

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unsophisticated primitives who worry about the succession nonsense. So there's

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no way that they would come together because they hate

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each other.

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Speaker 1: Wrong. The militant anarchists of the CNTFA FAI or is

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that fail FAI Faiah learn from the failure of their

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improvised spontaneous uprisings as an estudius and develop the cellular

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Defense cadre structure. They begin organizing and preparing for revolution.

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By nineteen thirty six, one third of the cnt Union's

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budget will be devoted. It's a manufacture of the FAI

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bomb hand grenade in Barcelona. We covered that in I

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think in the last episode we did.

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Speaker 2: Set yeah, and I have an article about it out

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of my substack if people are interested in it.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty five, Filungay and Riquete leaders are sent to

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Italy to train in light infantry tactics. The artificial governing

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coalition under PM Lereue collapses in December nineteen thirty five.

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New elections are called for nineteen thirty six. Mass ballot

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fraud and voter suppression results in a Popular Front victory

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in the nineteen thirty six election. The following gay is

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outlawed by the Republic. They go underground, though many leaders

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and activists are rounded up by spring nineteen thirty six

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to carlist. Rachitis are a ten thousand strong, armed and

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trained citizen militia with twenty thousand auxiliaries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing to keep in mind there is

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that I've mentioned this before, but of all the different

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armed groups, the Recutees were the only ones that Spanish

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military professionals said were capable of actual infantry combat operations.

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So they became they create became incredibly important for what

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you're going to talk about next.

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Speaker 1: The uprising. July seventeenth, nineteen thirty six. Prominent Conservative parliamentarian

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Jose Calvo Sotelo is arrested by Republican political police, assault

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guards and executed July thirteenth, nineteen thirty six, after Stalinist's

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parliament Parliament's woman parliament Woman Dolores Iberuri Iberuria announces while

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while he is at the podium in the Cortes, this

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is your last.

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Speaker 2: So he's he's let's say he's in congress, he's a congressman,

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he's giving a speech. Someone in the other party says,

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this is your last speech, and then they kill him

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that night. Like, just think of how brazen that is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, July thirteenth. Something else happened on July.

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Speaker 2: Yes, interesting.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know it's funny is if you go back,

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if you look at September eleventh in history, it's remarkable

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how many things happened on.

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Speaker 2: History is so interesting that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Pinochet in Chile they tried to assassinate,

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they tried to assassinate Mussolini on September eleventh. There's I mean,

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there's a bunch of you if you like google September eleventh,

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like historical events, there's just a list and you're like

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going back centuries.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's my son. He probably knows all

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of them. Kid nine to eleven is like a joke

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to Zoomers. At this point, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Falangay units begin assassinating prominent assault guards. A large portion

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of army officers coordinating in secret for many years rebel

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across the country in the Canaries and Spanish Morocco, working

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with carlost and Folangay militias with a goal of conducting

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a bloodless coup. How do you have a bloodless coup

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against monsters?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can't. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: The rising is carried out by officers taking command of

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military forces, arresting those who opposed them, securing their bases,

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and immediately consolidating control over territory. In many areas, such

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as Navarre, Castile and Leone and northern Aragon, the civilian

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government is in alliance and the relatively few leftist political

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agitators are immediately squashed Pew Pew. One odd case is

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that of Ovieedo, capital of Asturias, the location of key

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government arsenals, as well as the center of the nineteen

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thirty four are anarchist uprising and a bastion of revolutionary activity.

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The town's garrison commander, Colonel Antonio Arnda Mata was considered

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by the nationalist conspirators as a freemason and Republican freemason

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also can also be a yes yeah for something else. Yes.

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With the news of the uprising on July seventeenth, Aronda

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declared to the civil government and leftist union leader leaders

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that he would remain loyal to the Republic and that

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the city was secure. Satisfied, four thousand militants departed to

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spread the revolution, taking advantage of access to relatively vast munitions.

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Ronda then secured the town and surrounding strategic positions with

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00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,720
his force Falangas and allied Civil Guard and Assault Guard forces,

474
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,160
and held that against a brutal siege until being relieved

475
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by a relief column from Galicia. Republican forces cut off

476
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,239
power and water while shelling and bombing the city relentlessly, relentlessly,

477
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,079
causing civilian casualties far beyond those seen a Guernica. Yet

478
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:24,000
there has never been a global propaganda campaign about Oviedo.

479
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Speaker 2: And there's never been a global propaganda campaign because it

480
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,639
was a heroic stand by right wing forces against brutal

481
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,760
communists and anarchists, and global propaganda is only done on

482
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behalf of brutal communists and anarchists. They did aerial bombing,

483
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,199
They just shelled the city indiscriminately. What ultimately happened is

484
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,559
a lot of people who were libtards ended up defending

485
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,920
the city and siding with the defenders of the city

486
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,239
because they were just being killed indiscriminately and their families

487
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:02,679
were So.

488
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Speaker 1: Is this the scenario laid out in the Last Crusade

489
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where he calls in the bombing on on his own location.

490
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Speaker 2: Uh no, because they survive, Yeah, and thirty eight Actually, yeah, exactly.

491
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,280
The cool thing about it, though, is because the they

492
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:32,599
secured the arsenals there, they immediately begin manufacturing like next

493
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:38,440
gen iterations of small arms for the for the nationalist

494
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,599
army as soon as they get relieved.

495
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Speaker 1: The rising is successful in the most conservative parts of

496
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Spain and in military strongholds, but it's squashed in street

497
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,760
fighting and left as strongholds such as Barcelona, Santa the Soale,

498
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,280
though and Madrid. The Spanish Civil War has begun. Coup

499
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,280
leader General san Juro, returning from exile in Portugal, parishes

500
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,159
in a plane crash July twentieth Nationalists command to split

501
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:12,840
between Franco in the south and Mola in the north.

502
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Speaker 2: An important thing to point out is that their conspiracy

503
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:20,280
theories about this that like Franco had this happen because

504
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:26,360
he was like Hitler to electric Bugaloo. But it's nonsense.

505
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:32,320
San Huro wanted to bring I might be confusing him

506
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,760
with the other guy who will be coming up, who

507
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,280
will pass away soon. But oh no, no, no, he

508
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had tons of luggage and he was he was the

509
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:46,239
older coup leader who had envisioned the original coup. You know,

510
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,480
there had been the sun Hurjada that had failed, and

511
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:54,639
so he overloaded a very small plane that crashed upon takeoff.

512
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So this is in an era when aviation was very dangerous,

513
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:05,599
So it was you know, any people talking about, you know,

514
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,280
conspiracies related to Franco there, it's nonsense. It's just fortuitous

515
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,840
for Franco.

516
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think DeVore describes it as he was trying

517
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,480
to the plane was two weighted. They tried to off,

518
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,480
and they tried to clear a wall and it clipped

519
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,800
and then boom.

520
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: And he was an older gentleman and the pilot survived,

521
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,599
but San Jurro passed away right.

522
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,079
Speaker 1: Also on July twentieth, Spanish Legion forces landed at Cadiz

523
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,039
to reinforce local Carlists and Folangai militias and secure the

524
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:41,119
port city and much of the province. Navar Brigades and

525
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:46,280
Carlos Fergettes militias, Rakette militias under the command of General

526
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,599
Mola and the North fan out and secure the French

527
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:52,119
border to the east, establish a front with Republican aligned

528
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,559
Basque country to the north and northwest, and approach Madrid's

529
00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:01,519
northern flank in south central Aragon. They stopped northbound. They

530
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:05,000
stopped northbound cnc FAI anarchist.

531
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Speaker 2: Militias, and it's incredibly impressive how professional and squared away

532
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:15,000
they were for being amateurs, for being an amateur militia.

533
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:18,239
But the important thing to keep in mind is that

534
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,639
they plugged into an existing military structure and military logistics,

535
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,440
so it was so it was a militia. They started

536
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,760
out with a lot of weapons that were secured internationally

537
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,559
that weren't necessarily like military standard. You recall when we

538
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:37,199
looked at the small arms, they had some very advanced

539
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:43,039
stuff like light machine guns from Switzerland and stuff. But

540
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,880
they moved very very quickly and fought very very well.

541
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:53,599
Even though they weren't. They weren't exactly using a lot

542
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,039
of the you know, as the newer volunteers were coming on.

543
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:03,000
They weren't using the most sophisticated, sophisticated tactics and stuff,

544
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,719
but it didn't matter. They were. They were incredibly brave.

545
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,960
And my position is that the upright like the war

546
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,559
would have been lost very likely if it wasn't for

547
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:19,000
the Carlist Recutitatee militias. That's that's my position, based on

548
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
how much territory they were able to secure and hold.

549
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: Nationalists and Republican factions immediately crack down upon internal enemies

550
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,639
in the areas they control. Thousands are killed due to

551
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,280
violence from all sides. In Navarre, for example, Carlos and

552
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Phalangas arrests, subdue, subduing combat, or simply assassinate, execute prominent

553
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,360
opposition and militant leftists. In Republican controlled areas, class enemies

554
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,719
are killed in huge numbers, whether extradicially or in combat.

555
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,159
The church is a primary target, with between one third

556
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:57,960
and one half of all church buildings in Spain destroyed.

557
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:02,519
Many dioceses see all or nearly or nearly all of

558
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,960
their buildings wipe from the face of the Earth. By

559
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,400
the end of nineteen thirty six, nearly seven thousand priests, nuns, monks,

560
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,440
and seminarians are murdered, along with along with several more

561
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,079
thousand attendant lay people, along with many thousands more by

562
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:23,440
revolutionary Republicans. Most of the non combat extra judicial killings

563
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,559
are eventually reigned in by both sides by nineteen thirty six,

564
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,280
but the Republicans in particular continue the practice of executing

565
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,840
non combatant enemies with the illusions, with the illusion of trials.

566
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the when you look at the bevor style numbers,

567
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,519
and when I was working on this, peete, I was

568
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,199
thinking about the numbers. You'll remember I told you I'm

569
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:55,000
going to do a revision where I'm going to talk

570
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:58,039
more about the numbers instead of just like the events.

571
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:06,599
You'll see is that the mainstream, the mainstream position is

572
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:14,159
that like the Republican you know, mass killings were anomalous

573
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,880
and it was out of the control of the central government,

574
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,119
whereas the nationalists did it because they were they were

575
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:24,840
bad guys, and it's it's just absurd. And the narrative

576
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:31,639
about the Republican factions has changed multiple times, you know,

577
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,719
in since the war there was a period, especially during

578
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,920
and immediately after the war, like late nineteen thirty seven

579
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,079
and on, where the nation, excuse me, the Republicans were

580
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:52,679
blaming like the anarchists and and the like for excesses,

581
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:55,840
and that was because of the kind of the communist

582
00:41:56,119 --> 00:42:01,880
directed propaganda campaign and then laid or they shifted it

583
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,039
to say, well, the Soviet led communists were the bad guys,

584
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:10,239
and like the moderate Republicans and the anarchists were just

585
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,039
kind of like this stuff was just happening, and like

586
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,239
they never they never would have wanted anything like this

587
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,639
to happen. When you look at the memoirs of the

588
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,920
anarchists and such, they they are so they act like,

589
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:27,599
you know, they're innocent angels and and you know this

590
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,519
was all done by just like people who were just criminals,

591
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:34,880
so it was incidental. But when the nationalists execute people

592
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,719
who com med atrocities for example, I'm not saying that

593
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,519
there weren't excesses on the nationalist side, like there was

594
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,760
some There were executions of people, for example, that supported

595
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:52,360
the republic and were harmless, were non combatants essentially that

596
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,119
they just murdered or you know, individual people murdered. It

597
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:58,880
wasn't like the leadership of the military was saying they

598
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,800
should do this. But it's always it's mischaracterized. But when

599
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,639
you actually look at what the numbers are like, and

600
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,360
when you look at the they have essentially a truth

601
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,480
and Reconciliation committee that's underway now, and whenever they investigate

602
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:24,039
these individual excesses, they always find that the nationalists supposed

603
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:27,719
atrocities of like a thousand end up being like thirteen

604
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,559
people were killed and possibly it was a combat situation

605
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,000
or something like that. So those numbers get revised downward.

606
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,000
But still like bev War fifteen years ago, I think

607
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,159
he published his book, maybe maybe a little more, Yeah, yeah,

608
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:47,800
fifteen eighteen years ago, the numbers are really high on

609
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,800
the national side and low on the Republican side. But

610
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,960
now that they're investigating them, they're kind of flip flopping.

611
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:58,480
So it's just something to keep in mind, and it's

612
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,679
just classic. It's it's what you would expect from what

613
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,559
you know, anytime you examine anything that the media talks

614
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:06,599
about nowadays.

615
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, no, it's uh, I mean really books

616
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,440
in English were only written from the from the Republican

617
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:18,480
side for exactly all that those numbers got embedded into

618
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,920
people's brains, and then when you now they have excavations

619
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,400
and all sorts of things, and it's like, we're gonna

620
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,599
we're gonna find a thousand people in this pit. Oh

621
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:28,840
there's nine people.

622
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And and so this is where when you

623
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,800
go back and you look at a lot of the

624
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,039
books that were written in the sixties with the cooperation

625
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:44,280
of the Spanish Academy, the numbers are lining up. The

626
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,679
new numbers are going back to those old numbers that

627
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,400
were like Franco approved, because they're real, They're accurate.

628
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: All right.

629
00:44:53,920 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: The factions, the nationalists represent themselves as true span nationalists,

630
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:08,159
the defenders of Christian civilization against the Red Hordes. Territory

631
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,280
a large swath of northern Spain, the cities of Cordova

632
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,079
and Seville, the city and a portion of the province

633
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:19,079
of Cadiz, the Canary Islands, Spanish Morocco, and the Balearic

634
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:25,239
is that right bale Eric Yeah, Balearic Islands, accepting Minorca

635
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:32,199
and Formenttera, formerly government forces. Roughly half sixty thousand of

636
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,039
the Spanish Territorial Army, the Army of Africa, including the

637
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,639
Spanish legion thirty five thousand and just under half of

638
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:45,960
spain Civil Guards and CABA Carabineros. Approximately two thirds of

639
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,920
the Spanish army's heavy weapons are in the hands of

640
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,320
the Nationalists, along with half of the rifles the Carlis

641
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:59,320
Riquette Militias has. The Carlss Riquette Militia has approximately thirty

642
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,960
thousand men under arms at the uprising, going to eighty

643
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,719
five thousand by the end of nineteen thirty six. The

644
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,400
Filanai Militia has approximately twenty thousand men at the time

645
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:11,320
of the uprising.

646
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: And the thing to keep in mind there is remember

647
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,559
when a civil war breaks out and people have to fight,

648
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,639
you attach yourself to the organizations that are existing. You

649
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,960
can't join the army and go straight into combat, but

650
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,719
you can join the militias, especially if time is of

651
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,079
the essence exactly.

652
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,519
Speaker 1: The Republicans represent themselves to the world as a legitimately

653
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:41,920
elective government of Spain, championing freedom and progress against tyranny.

654
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:48,719
Internal divisions are significant. Liberals, socialists, and communists generally supported

655
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,960
the Republican government, though immediate divisions appeared, such as the

656
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:57,039
debate regarding arming the workers militias in the very early

657
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:01,760
days of the uprising, broadly sought to form their own

658
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,519
institutions separate from the Republican government, and were most successful

659
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,639
at this in Catalonia and initially focused upon the social revolution.

660
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,159
The Basque country, strongly Catholic and conservative, mostly sided with

661
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:18,480
the Republic and the Republic due to the promise of autonomy,

662
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:25,039
although this coalition saw a rapid schism government forces. Roughly

663
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,679
half sixty thousand of the Spanish Territorial Army possessed one

664
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,679
third of the machine guns and artillery, plus half of

665
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,239
the rifles from military armories. A bit over half of

666
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,800
Spain's Carabineros and civil guards, along with most of the

667
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,880
Assault Guards, stay with the Republic.

668
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,639
Speaker 2: The Assault Guards were kind of like the equivalent of

669
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:54,639
the like a FBI, but more light infantry oriented that

670
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,960
were a rapid reaction force formed only at the time

671
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,639
of the actual republic, So the carbon Narrows and civil

672
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:09,800
Guards were existing law enforcement organizations across the country. It's

673
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,639
very different than America because they have these national forces

674
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,719
that have very specific responsibilities. The assault Guards were like

675
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,280
the rapid response units, and when you think FBI, think

676
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:30,320
like FBI at Mount Carmel. You know Waco because they

677
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,280
had like heavy weaponry.

678
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: So the workers militias do not arise spontaneously, but rather

679
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,719
out of established party militias and are difficult to fully quantify,

680
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,320
say for certain well documented cases. For example, we know

681
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,480
from extensive material later published by members of the Highly

682
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:53,320
Prepared and Organized Anarchist cnt FAI that they put they

683
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,440
put ten thousand armed men into Barcelona within hours of

684
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,440
the uprising, though most of their weapons were handguns and

685
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,880
surprisingly sophisticated craft made grenades.

686
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had been preparing in a very robust fashion,

687
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:15,239
whereas the other militias they were relying on this spontaneous uprising.

688
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,599
The CNTFAI, I have an article about them on my

689
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:24,760
sub stack, and they're militias. They learned from the failure

690
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,760
of the nineteen thirty four a storious uprising and the

691
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,880
losses that they took, that there's no spontaneous uprising. I'll

692
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,199
just tell a story that's true, and this is more

693
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,599
than I've talked about in the past. But I was

694
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:45,079
in Seattle during the Wto riots in nineteen ninety nine

695
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:53,719
protests slash riots. The anarchists who caused the police to

696
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:59,039
attack the protesters because the anarchists came up from Eugene

697
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:03,639
and did I did a during the parade of like

698
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:08,760
one hundred thousand like just regular people protesting the wto

699
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,400
whether they were environmentalists, whether they were leftists, whether they

700
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:18,079
were like American labor oriented people. They did a big

701
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,000
U around where the conference actually took took place and

702
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:26,480
where there were protesters with permits peacefully sitting there protesting

703
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,320
and smashed windows in a big U. And one of

704
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,840
them told me when I was hollering at him with

705
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,920
my hand on a pistol in my pocket, because I

706
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,159
was like, oh, there's only about forty of them. I

707
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:49,880
was young anyway, the police didn't have rapid reaction squads.

708
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:54,599
And I saw police like looking and like radioing, and

709
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:57,480
and one of these older guys and they were all

710
00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:02,440
just like junkies and shit said, well, well that our

711
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:07,360
strategy is that by doing this, we will uh get

712
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,599
the police to attack the innocent people, and then the

713
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,440
people of the country will rise up and then we

714
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,000
will have an anarchist revolution.

715
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:21,679
Speaker 1: That that's the same thing. Yes, Don Reid went freak

716
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,199
in Moscow, Ye promise Lenin what happened in the United

717
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,119
States and the United States is just not fucking made.

718
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,039
Speaker 2: For that, No, not at all. And it and that

719
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,880
was what the that was what the communists and the

720
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,440
anarchists thought they could do. And every time they just

721
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,639
got their teeth kicked in after they murdered a bunch

722
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:45,480
of innocent people. And so they gave this a whirl,

723
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:48,800
and you know, and the and the fai anarchists said

724
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,440
this doesn't work. We have to actually plan. So they

725
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,159
were one of the few, like actually organized groups and

726
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:03,800
they were critical to the success of everything that the

727
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:11,239
loyalist republic Republican troops and police and stuff around Madrid

728
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:15,639
because again, if you'll remember, they sent Mola like out

729
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,760
into Navarre. They they made sure that only libtards were

730
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,920
around Madrid is whenever they could, so that the right

731
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,840
wing rising just completely failed in a bunch of areas

732
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,280
because the republic had been preparing for this, so when

733
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,920
the leftists, you know, needed to come out into the street,

734
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,719
they were just not ready and they were not trained

735
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,880
or anything like that.

736
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,559
Speaker 1: All right, here we go the march on Madrid July

737
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:51,519
twenty one, nineteen thirty six to March nineteen thirty seven.

738
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,480
The rebel army secure as German and Italian support to

739
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:59,000
conduct an airlift of infantry from Spanish Morocco to Seville

740
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,840
in south western Spain, avoiding a naval blockade by the

741
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,760
mostly Republican controlled navy representing the Nationalist faction. General Franco

742
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,679
immediately engages the international community for support, though most of

743
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,599
the world opts to remain neutral. July twenty sixth, nationalists

744
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:21,159
secured German commitment to provide their forces with transport aircraft,

745
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,239
fighter bombers, anti aircraft guns, and other equipment. The first

746
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,440
shipment arrives August first, and there's a note here the

747
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:33,320
Condor Legion, the famed German volunteer quote unquote volunteer force

748
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,840
is formally organized until November. The Italians go all in

749
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,559
on supporting the Nationalists and provide forty eight aircraft in

750
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,840
the first month, along with an increasing flow of small arms,

751
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:52,679
company level weapons, vehicles, advisors, observers, technical experts, and combat personnel.

752
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,119
US and British companies provide technically non military supports to

753
00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:03,320
the Nationalists, which passes the muster under the Future Neutrality Agreement. Texico,

754
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,559
formerly the provider of oil to the Spanish government, shifts

755
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:10,400
its supports of Franco furnished entirely on credit upon hearing

756
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,559
news of the uprising, Ford Studebaker and General Motors supply

757
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,920
twelve thousand trucks, parts and tires on credit to the Nationalists.

758
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:24,199
Speaker 2: And this is a very old entry, a very old

759
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:30,519
bullet point in that really dumb you know, Alex Jones

760
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:34,280
attached himself to all the government's run by secret Nazis.

761
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,239
This is one of the first entries in that ledger

762
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:42,719
per the Libtards, which is that like, oh, America sided

763
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,519
with the fascisms, man, and it's like, you know, the

764
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:52,239
truth is that they knew that this was they were

765
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,920
siding against the Bolsheviks.

766
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:54,599
Speaker 1: Period.

767
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: It was as simple as that.

768
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: And then what did they do a few years later?

769
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:06,800
All right, let's keep going. The republic secure as military

770
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,119
support and international volunteers from the Soviet Union and the

771
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,480
intermittent support of France. France transfers forty eight aircraft along

772
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,800
with trainers in some weaponry in July and August, despite

773
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,920
having agreed to the UN intervention. Packed this pattern, always

774
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,679
downplayed by Republican apologists, will continue throughout the war.

775
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 2: And I have to interject there it's impossible to overstate

776
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,800
how much people lie about the support that they got

777
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,639
from Bloom's socialist government in France. And yes, when you

778
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:48,719
say Bloom Blum, yes, yeah, yes, there was essentially a

779
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,159
There was street fighting in France at the time between

780
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,280
traditionalists and a bunch of those folks ended up going

781
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,400
to Spain to fight with the nationalists as volunteers. They

782
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:07,079
ended up getting plugged into the Spanish legion in great numbers.

783
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:13,800
Spanish Catholic excuse me, French Catholics who were you know.

784
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,840
Later when Germany invaded France, they were more than happy

785
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,480
to basically hand this one third of the French population

786
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,400
essentially control of the government, the Vishy government. It was

787
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:34,119
not this like tiny sliver of French culture. It was

788
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:40,519
the French traditionalists who wanted that support that was handed

789
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:41,119
to them.

790
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: So Mexico provides a substantial amount of small arms and ammunition.

791
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,239
And I cannot talk enough and express enough to people

792
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,639
that at that time Mexico was an arm of the

793
00:56:57,679 --> 00:56:58,280
Soviet Union.

794
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:04,039
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, there's they had their own like

795
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:08,840
Viva Crista Rey was a huge thing in Mexico as well,

796
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,920
because they the Mexican government, the forefathers of the existing

797
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:21,679
sole political party in Mexico were essentially Bolsheviks who were

798
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:25,920
trying to eliminate Christianity from Mexico, and they.

799
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,039
Speaker 1: Put up with Trotsky living there for only so long. Yes,

800
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,920
Spanish gold reserve transfers, this is so remarkable. I mean,

801
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:38,880
the first time I write about this, I was.

802
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:41,199
Speaker 2: It's appalling.

803
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: I mean I was mad. First transfer to Eurobank Paris

804
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,159
authorized by the Republic July twenty fourth, a total of

805
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:51,960
one hundred and seventy four tons twenty seven point four

806
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,519
percent of Spanish reserve sent through March nineteen thirty seven.

807
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:01,039
These funds are used for purchases of fuel and arms

808
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,159
from a variety of arms dealers from the Netherlands, Belgium,

809
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:10,280
Czechoslovakia and Poland. The Republic's Council of Ministers authorized a

810
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,800
transfer of remaining gold and silver reserves five hundred tons

811
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:21,239
to Moscow September thirteenth, nineteen thirty six. The original excuse

812
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,440
was that per Minister of Finance Juan naked and it

813
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,360
would be secure there, although the Soviets claimed it in

814
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:33,400
payment for arms. I think anyone who knows and has

815
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:37,800
read deep enough knows that Stalin was laughing at them.

816
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: You know, the the anarchist memoirs on this topic are

817
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:48,519
incredibly interesting because they were furious. Because this is the point.

818
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,320
I mean, look October, we're talking September, October nineteen thirty six.

819
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,920
The anarchist you know, collective government whatever you want to

820
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,760
call it, you know in Catalonia is like, what the

821
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,079
fuck is happening? Because they realize what is taking place

822
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:11,480
in their country. They realize that it's a Bolshevik takeover,

823
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:19,440
because there's even stories about the CNT guys planning to

824
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,800
capture the gold reserves and then holding them in Catalonia

825
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,280
so that they can actually pay for things that the

826
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:30,159
country needs.

827
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:37,239
Speaker 1: October fourteen, nineteen thirty six, the first International Brigade trainees

828
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:43,400
organized by the Communist International arrive in Albacete via France.

829
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,639
The first shipment of arms from the Soviet Union reaches

830
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:51,679
Carzegena October fourth. It includes both modern and obsolete small

831
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:56,480
arms and ammunition, mostly most meaningfully, the latest T twenty

832
00:59:56,519 --> 01:00:01,719
six tanks, BT three armored cars and quote unquote volunteers.

833
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of like, if you'll remember from

834
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,880
our small arms of the Spanish Civil War episode, there's

835
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,360
a lot of obsolete like World War One in pre

836
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:16,800
World War one small arms and like odd stuff, but

837
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,400
there's tons of maximum machine guns. And then in the

838
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,920
T twenty six is and the BT three's they had

839
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:28,199
their fully outfitted with what are what are they?

840
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,039
Speaker 1: Is it the.

841
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: TP twenty eight light machine guns, the the pan fed ones.

842
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,159
I know I'm getting those, it's DASH twenty eight whatever

843
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:44,440
it is. So there's actually a fair amount of like sophisticated,

844
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,280
brand new stuff, and they start also bringing anti tank

845
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,559
guns over. But that but again, like they took every

846
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:56,880
bit of their gold and silver reserves that were left,

847
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,599
like three quarters of it, and they were at slutly

848
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:05,840
not delivering that level of material to them. You know,

849
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,000
they certainly overpaid.

850
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's clear when you study it that

851
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,199
what Germany and Italy were providing to the nationalists was

852
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,480
far superior, as far as far superior, yes, and then

853
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:25,440
well what would you expect the Republican pesetas value collapses

854
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:31,480
almost immediately September twenty eighth, Alfonso Carlos, eighty seven year

855
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,920
old Carlist leader and claimant to the throne of Spain,

856
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:39,920
dies in Austria with no air October, the republic somewhat

857
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,480
moderate government under Asagna quits and hands the reins to

858
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:49,760
a communist socialist coalition under Lago Cabaerro. The Cabayedo government

859
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,960
implements universal conscription of all Spanish males between twenty and

860
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:58,280
forty five in the territory they control, sounds like Ukorean.

861
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,239
The various party militias begin to be integrated into the

862
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,480
Republican Army command structure, which is primarily controlled by the communists.

863
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:11,559
Communists red stars are incorporated into the rank insignia, and

864
01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:15,239
political commissars were installed at the company level and up.

865
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:22,559
Speaker 2: Which also means that the other parties, the other political

866
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:28,960
parties are essentially suppressed in the formal government, including assassination

867
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:35,440
of upity people like it's completely counter to the supposed goal,

868
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,760
which is to have as many people as possible fighting

869
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,960
against their enemies. But it's communists, that's what they do.

870
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: The previously autonomous anarchist CNFAI chooses to put the revolution

871
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,800
on hold and submit to Republican Army in the field.

872
01:02:53,199 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually the crazy thing is that the the

873
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:04,239
Druti column, which are the hard core well we'll talk

874
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,679
about it in a second hard.

875
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,199
Speaker 1: Whenever anybody wants to talk about how oh like Kamala

876
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:19,599
Harris or like Antifa or communists, I'm sorry, yeah, go back,

877
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:22,400
go back and try to compare them to some of

878
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:22,960
these people.

879
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most hardcore anarchist killers, which was the Druti

880
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:31,840
column that had been heading into Oregon and got stopped

881
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:38,039
by the Carlists, were the very first to submit to

882
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:40,800
the National Army because they said, this is what we

883
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,119
have to do. And to be honest, they were right because,

884
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:49,320
you know, from their perspective, not morally right. They deserved

885
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,119
everything that they got. Deruti was killed very soon after,

886
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:56,639
but they they were correct in that, like they needed

887
01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:59,920
to focus on fighting the war, but the war was

888
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:05,079
not prosecuted sensibly by the communists. So haha, that's what

889
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:05,800
they get.

890
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:10,679
Speaker 1: M nationalist forces race toward Yeah, it's so funny, you know,

891
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:15,400
the communists and the anarchists, these you know, they've this

892
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:19,599
stupid religion people with their friggin mythology and everything. These

893
01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:23,360
dumb people, really fucking how smart do they ever prove

894
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,079
themselves to be?

895
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to say something, Pete. The word libertarian is

896
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:38,280
a Spanish word. Uh. It represents the non Bolshevik oriented

897
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:46,239
anarchists in Spain. Do not call yourself that. If you

898
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,000
read this history, you will not want to call yourself

899
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:52,039
that when you read what these people actually were. If

900
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,000
you do, and you and you study it, and you

901
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:57,760
continue to call yourself that, you deserve what's coming to you,

902
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:02,679
which is to be thrown into a very large hole

903
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,440
with a big pile of people just like you in it.

904
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:15,400
The oh, I just wanted to warn people. Bevore's Battle

905
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:20,920
Battle for Spain is a great book for facts. Yeah,

906
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,480
the death tolls. We've already talked about Earl, you.

907
01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: Know, but I know this if you're going in bevar

908
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,559
is his sympathies lie with the Libertarians?

909
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: Uh? You know, Pete, I've seen a bunch of interviews

910
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,039
with him. I did some. I did a thread on it.

911
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:43,480
My my interpretation is that his capability in Spanish is

912
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:46,119
about what mine is, which is not very good. You

913
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:49,880
can read it, you can prepare a statement and pronounce

914
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,199
things almost entirely correctly if you're reading it and reciting it,

915
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,519
and you can interact like in a day to day basis.

916
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,360
But he was very dependent upon the Spanish Academy and

917
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:07,079
his editors to hand him all the material and in

918
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:11,559
nineteen nineties and two thousands Spain like that's who ruled

919
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:15,360
the roost. I mean, I'm sure like looking at him,

920
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,800
he's English, he like he cares a lot about Ukraine.

921
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:23,760
So he's a fucking libtard. I'm not having any more

922
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,079
to drink peep. I will try to rein in the profanity,

923
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:32,119
but it enrages me because you're I'm trying to counter

924
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:36,159
your point, but I can't. That's where his because because

925
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:38,920
what is it. Oh well, we know communism is bad,

926
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,679
and so now what do we do. Oh well, let's

927
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:45,519
align with this group. But it's imaginary. It's it's a

928
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:49,519
completely imaginary. It's like, you know, there's choose your own Holocaust,

929
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:55,239
where people create their own Holocaust, like you know, hypotheticals

930
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:57,519
and stuff, and it's like, no, you don't get to

931
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:01,000
do that. You get to go based on on the

932
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,320
you know, the formal official Holocaust definition, and you either

933
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,760
agree with it or you disagree with it. You either

934
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,280
say that's factual or not. That's the same thing with

935
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,920
this situation, and it's choose it's choose your own Spanish

936
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,880
civil war, and that's what Bivar does it, and he doesn't.

937
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:25,760
I wouldn't say he does it explicitly. He's not making

938
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,199
anything up, but he does it like in like a

939
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:35,039
sympathize sympathizing fashion where he's like choosing a theoretical where

940
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,880
he's like, if only this had happened, these would be

941
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,840
the good guys. But that's not how it happened. So

942
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:46,079
I I that was me looping back around to and

943
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,480
ultimately agreeing with you. You're you're correct, he's but it's

944
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:51,400
choose your own Spanish civil war.

945
01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I he could never choose the nationalist side,

946
01:07:57,639 --> 01:08:01,119
so he tries to pick the least the least worst

947
01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:08,239
of the of the libtards. Yeah, all right. Nationalist forces

948
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,239
raced toward Madrid with a goal of toppling the Republican

949
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,960
government and ending the war quickly. Soviet forces, the International Brigades,

950
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,479
and the cnt fai's six thousand Manjarrudi Column speed toward

951
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,680
Madrid to intercept them after securing Tala Though now maybe

952
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,640
we can talk about this before we talk about the Alcazar. Yeah,

953
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,520
a lot of people make the argument that by choosing

954
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,359
to go and help them at the Alcazar and till

955
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,600
they though that if they would have went directly to Madrid,

956
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,920
they could have saved the battle for the Battle for Madrid.

957
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have happened. I don't buy it. The other thing, too,

958
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,319
is that they were moving so rapidly that they had

959
01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:01,119
to periodically stop and consolidate and get reinforcements. They they

960
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:07,279
hook up farther north with the Carlists and everything. I

961
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,359
I it's a it's a it's kind of a valid

962
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:15,199
argument that I suspect, you know, that just doesn't play

963
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:17,399
out because what would have happened is they would have

964
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:23,520
been stuck in urban combat when the Soviet forces, the

965
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,359
International Brigades, and the Drudi column arrived, which would have

966
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,239
been I mean, it would have been a meat grinder

967
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:32,840
and they could have lost all of their forces that

968
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,239
were there. I just I just don't buy it when

969
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:38,239
you when you look at it in terms of like

970
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,760
the manpower involved, the equipment, the different units that that

971
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:46,000
are maneuvering around it, it's like a criticism that comes

972
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,199
from people who are like, well, you would have gotten

973
01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:52,520
there before all these other people, and it's like, yeah,

974
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:57,279
but then they just would have had a bloodier, bloodier

975
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:01,319
combat there and very easily have been cut off, which

976
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:05,840
is worse than not getting there. Right, I just don't

977
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:10,359
I just don't see it. You know. At very best,

978
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,239
maybe they could have taken Madrid, but they wouldn't have

979
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:19,079
captured the enemy leadership because it's urban combat. Urban combat

980
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:23,840
is not fast. It's it's it's the opposite of fast.

981
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,720
And they found that out when they got there. They

982
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,760
couldn't even get through a college fucking campus in a

983
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,039
couple of weeks, like it just grounds to a halt.

984
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,039
So I just I just don't buy it. It's it's

985
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:39,920
something that people say, but when you actually step back,

986
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,239
you're like, this is just an accusation that's being repeated.

987
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:50,359
Speaker 1: So to Laedo is about forty five miles southwest ish

988
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:51,560
of Madrid.

989
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventy two kilometers. It's when when you look at

990
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,439
the actual terrain, there's a huge Madrid is in a

991
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,960
huge at the north end of a huge valley bordered

992
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,000
to the you know, almost like in an archway around

993
01:11:07,039 --> 01:11:16,600
it of mountain ranges, and and Toledo is due south

994
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,600
in a little southwest and it's kind of hilly around

995
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,800
it too, so that it's not fully in that in

996
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,880
that plane, but it's real close to it, and so

997
01:11:31,039 --> 01:11:33,840
it's really easy to say that, But there was still

998
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,359
grinding combat before they could even get to that plane.

999
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:40,760
And then they got to that plane and those other

1000
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,000
units had arrived, so they had to fight their way

1001
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:47,520
through that and it was not easy. So when people

1002
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:52,399
do this, it's a it's an easy thing to say.

1003
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,840
It's an easy thing to say if they had bypassed

1004
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,279
to Ledo, but I just don't see how you bypass Toledo.

1005
01:11:58,399 --> 01:11:59,880
I just don't see it.

1006
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,119
Speaker 1: Then you have enemy at your back and.

1007
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh, exactly like a lot. So it would be really

1008
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,840
easy for them to cut their lines. And this became

1009
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:18,359
the successful strategy, which is you go in these less

1010
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:25,119
guarded directions and then you grind up these smaller units.

1011
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:30,760
That's that was the successful nationalist strategy and that they

1012
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:33,960
did that there and then they tried for a knockout

1013
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,560
blow on Madrid and failed at it.

1014
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: Sorry Stu, No, Yeah, And just want to let people

1015
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:45,399
know if they you can go and google pictures of

1016
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,640
the Alcazar and there are some amazing pictures of the

1017
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,840
destruction that was done, and you you just have to

1018
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,039
wonder how they survived. So let me. Read this after

1019
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:59,359
securing so they know, forty five miles seventy two kilometers

1020
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,840
from Madrid and rescuing the besieged heroes of the Alcazar.

1021
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,840
On September twenty eighth, the advancing Nationalist forces split into

1022
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,920
three prongs to encircle Madrid and established ties with territories

1023
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:16,840
secured by Allied forces. For more on the battle of

1024
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,920
the Siege of the Alcazar, listen to my reading of

1025
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,880
the Last Crusade. If you can make it through that

1026
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,840
without crying, you're a better man than me.

1027
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 2: That's the episode we did together. And it's well, that

1028
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,640
was only one of them, that was the successful end

1029
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,800
of it, but yeah, the whole Listen to the whole thing.

1030
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,560
That's like the soul, the soul of the Spanish Civil War.

1031
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,880
In my opinion, the Last Crusade explains the soul and

1032
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,079
the spirit of the Spanish Civil War.

1033
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: They advanced around October. The first aerial bombardment of Madrid

1034
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:56,640
takes place October twenty third. On October twenty eighth, fifteen

1035
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,640
t twenty six tanks engaged in the first Soviet combat

1036
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,359
operation of the war, spearheading a mixed brigade commanded by

1037
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:09,760
Russian train general Lister sometimes look up all of the

1038
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:16,520
Russian officers that were sent to help in the Spanish

1039
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,720
Civil War and do an early life check on them. Yes,

1040
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:26,119
the unit attacks. The unit attacks Nationalists held Sesena, twenty

1041
01:14:26,119 --> 01:14:30,119
five miles forty kilometers due south of central Madrid. The

1042
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:34,000
tankers equit themselves well but outrun their infantry, and three

1043
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:37,399
tanks are knocked out with petrol bottle bombs prepared by

1044
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,760
nationalist defenders, the first documented use of what is later

1045
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,439
dubbed by the Finns as the Malotov cocktail for Stalin's

1046
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:49,319
Minister of Foreign Affairs. The engagement establishes that armor is

1047
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:54,000
vulnerable in urban fighting as well as to traditional artillery.

1048
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,760
The tanks, armored cars in Soviet and French aircraft flowing

1049
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,159
into Madrid slow the Russia, the nat Lists and their

1050
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:02,520
ownership of the skies.

1051
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really want to emphasize French aircraft again.

1052
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:13,920
Bevar also everyone, Oh, you know, the pro pro republic

1053
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,239
position is, oh, the French could have done more, and

1054
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:19,399
they were just like they were, you know, they were

1055
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:27,840
siding with this ridiculous like capitalist bourgeois you know, neutrality thing.

1056
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:31,760
It's like no, the French gave them tons of weapons,

1057
01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:34,199
but a lot of it was that they were obsolete.

1058
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,359
And if you don't the thing to keep in mind

1059
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,840
is that an aircraft made in nineteen twenty seven was

1060
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,640
obsolete by nineteen thirty six compared to the latest stuff

1061
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,640
because technology was advancing so quickly, so it could be useful,

1062
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,039
but it was not. It was, you know, not very good.

1063
01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:55,359
It was you know, they didn't last very long. Maintenance

1064
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,680
was a nightmare. Their capabilities were really poor. But the

1065
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:05,079
French poured tons of equipment into there, and the Soviet

1066
01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:09,640
and French aircraft were dog fighting over Madrid, you know,

1067
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:15,760
in October November nineteen thirty six, and so they did

1068
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,880
slow them down there. But my position, you know, per

1069
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,880
our earlier conversation, is that I don't think they would

1070
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,479
have been able to if they ignored Toledo. It would

1071
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,640
have only gained them like a day or two, and

1072
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,680
it wouldn't have it wouldn't have given them, you know,

1073
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:40,680
any further impetus to do anything, to accomplish anything. Once

1074
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:41,159
they hit.

1075
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: Madrid, nationalist forces began their assaults on the city of

1076
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,359
Madrid proper November fifth, with probing attacks through the old

1077
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,439
royal hunting ground of Casta de Campo to the west.

1078
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:56,880
On November sixth, the Republican government flees to their new capital, Valencia.

1079
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,119
Nationalist forces delay their attack and so number eighth and

1080
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:04,680
November seven, militia forces find the battle plan for the

1081
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,079
following day in the pocket of a captain killed in

1082
01:17:07,119 --> 01:17:11,760
Casa de Campo. Forces are redistributed accordingly, just in time

1083
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,640
for the arrival of the eleventh International Brigade, who rushed

1084
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,159
to the front and help hold the city while taking

1085
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:22,079
fifty percent casualties. Is that less than or or is

1086
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:23,199
that roughly about?

1087
01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 2: Roughly?

1088
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, more International Brigade units arrive in the next few

1089
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,039
days and enable Republican forces to turn the battle from

1090
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:34,039
Madrid into a twenty eight month siege.

1091
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, these units just arrived at this point,

1092
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:46,560
but there's no indication that the militias and military and

1093
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,760
because there were there were tanks on the ground, there

1094
01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:54,680
were like half of the tanks that the that the

1095
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,880
republic had were in bart were around Madrid, and that

1096
01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:01,720
there were only like one or two in Barcelona, one

1097
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,880
or two in Valencia, like most of them were around Madrid.

1098
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,880
By the time, you know, a week's before the nationalists

1099
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:15,319
would have gotten there. So, yeah, the the International Brigade

1100
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:19,560
is celebrated for keeping them out of the city. But

1101
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,159
I just I just don't buy it when you look

1102
01:18:22,199 --> 01:18:25,600
at what urban warfare is actually like, it's not a

1103
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:26,520
fast process.

1104
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 1: All Right, we got a little more here and then

1105
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,479
we're going to we're gonna break for part perfect break

1106
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,199
part one. All right. A note on the makeup of

1107
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:39,319
the International Brigades. The International Brigades were organized by the

1108
01:18:39,359 --> 01:18:44,039
Communist International, also known as Commontern. While membership was international,

1109
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:46,640
the Commontern was an organ of the Soviet Union under

1110
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:51,039
Soviet command and the interests of Soviet strategic purposes. The

1111
01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:54,399
estimated size of the force varies, with Wikipedia stating from

1112
01:18:54,479 --> 01:19:00,000
forty to fifty nine thousand. The more authoritative estimates calculated

1113
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:03,039
by IB veterans.

1114
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I be so International Brigade.

1115
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: International Brigade veteran organizations are in the thirty to forty

1116
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,439
five thousand range. Purportedly, there were never more than fourteen

1117
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,279
thousand International Brigade volunteers in Spain at any given time.

1118
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's where that the number calculation comes from,

1119
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:26,720
in where the complicating factor is. But I think that,

1120
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:33,119
you know, the veteran organizations were very organized and there

1121
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:36,680
were good records, and there were also Soviet archival records

1122
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:40,039
and stuff, so I think their numbers are better. It's

1123
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:44,640
not as many as like the Wikipedia figure states. It's

1124
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:49,720
theoretically possible that a lot of the volunteer for international

1125
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:55,159
volunteer forces are being inflated by numbers of people who

1126
01:19:55,239 --> 01:20:01,279
came through like the uh what was the oh gosh

1127
01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:05,600
that the People's Olympiad that was in Barcelona at the

1128
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,600
same time as the as the uprising, where there were

1129
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,560
quite a few people who were volunteering and just like

1130
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,159
joining these groups on their own that weren't going through

1131
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:18,359
the ib that are inflating some of those numbers. But

1132
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,920
also Communist eleve inflating numbers, don't they.

1133
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Communist International claim that fully fifty percent of

1134
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,079
International Brigade volunteers were members of the Communist Party. Other

1135
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:33,319
sources estimate as low as twenty five percent, though officers

1136
01:20:33,359 --> 01:20:35,840
were exclusively Communist Party.

1137
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: Members exclusively.

1138
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: Jewish. Sources Prego nineteen seventy nine. Sugarman in nineteen ninety

1139
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,239
eight state that approximately twenty five percent of the International

1140
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:49,720
Brigade members were provably Jewish, with Jews making up thirty

1141
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:54,079
eight percent of American volunteers, forty five percent of polls,

1142
01:20:54,119 --> 01:20:57,640
and virtually all of the Romanians. The vast majority of

1143
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,560
officers and commissars in the International Brigade were indoubtedly Jewish,

1144
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,079
as were the leaders of the Soviet Mission su Spain.

1145
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: Hey, I believe them.

1146
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I choose to believe. I choose to believe when

1147
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:12,880
they brag about.

1148
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 2: Stuff, and uh, I think it's the Oh gosh, is

1149
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:20,359
it the Jewish Encyclopedia. There's a whole bunch of sources

1150
01:21:20,399 --> 01:21:23,520
online where they document where they literally look at the

1151
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,720
names of all the people that are put together by

1152
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:33,439
these ib veterans organizations and they list them and they

1153
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,600
tell the you know where all this comes from, and

1154
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,439
they talk about it and they say, oh, you know,

1155
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,399
it's so bad and so anti Semitic that the the

1156
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:50,159
contribution of Jews to the International Brigades are so down

1157
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:55,279
played because people are afraid and it's like you're you're

1158
01:21:56,279 --> 01:21:59,359
you may have a high verbal IQ, but I don't

1159
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:05,279
think you're you know continued continued, Please keep telling us

1160
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,840
what you are actually doing.

1161
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:09,399
Speaker 1: Not very good strategically.

1162
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: When it comes to horrible, it's like it's a total

1163
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,720
lack of understanding of humanity.

1164
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: A note on the volunteer foreign volunteer forces supporting the

1165
01:22:21,039 --> 01:22:29,760
Nationalists Italy. The Italian Royal Air Force Aviazione Legionaria provided

1166
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:35,640
twelve Savoya Marquetti eighty one transport aircraft supported by Fiat

1167
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,159
Ciar thirty two fighters for the July nineteen thirty six

1168
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:42,199
airlift operation, which carried the Army of Africa and Foreign

1169
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:46,199
Legion across the Straight at Gibraltar to Spain. All told,

1170
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:49,600
the av supplied six hundred and sixty aircraft and thousands

1171
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,239
of men before the end of the war. Musli and

1172
01:22:53,279 --> 01:22:58,479
the Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs Ciano and General Roata

1173
01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:02,640
launched an export diditionary force December twelfth, nineteen thirty six,

1174
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,640
with Rata as commander in chief of what was later

1175
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:11,239
named the Corporo Trupe Volentari. They furnished fifty thousand men

1176
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:13,079
at the peak of operations in a total of one

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hundred and fifty tanks and eight hundred artillery pieces, in

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addition to small arms and ammunition.

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Speaker 2: Their contribution cannot be understated or overstated. I should say

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the in terms of numbers and dead, the Italian contribution

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to the war was massive.

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Speaker 1: The Italian Royal Navy engaged in blockade breaking, submarine operations,

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troop transportation and naval bombardments of Republican held coastal cities.

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The Luftwaffa furnished twenty luft Hansea nominally commercial Junkers fifty

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01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:53,079
two transport aircraft supported by Luftwaffa is that Henkel. It's

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Henkel right, Henkel Henkel H fifty one fighters for the

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July nineteen thirty six airlift operation, which carry the Army

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of Africa and Foreign Legion across the Straight at Gibraltar

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to Spain. Germany's initial commitment was only the Operation Magic

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Fire fyodores abed transport mission, which was then followed by

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an effort to train the Spanish air crews. Then was

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expanded September thirtieth, nineteen thirty six, into a full military expedition,

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soon to be dubbed the Condor Legion. In addition to

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an expanded air wing, German ground forces were soon added

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to the mission, including machine gun batteries, a tank division,

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and anti aircraft guns and anti aircraft guns. Over time,

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older aircraft would be transitioned to the Spanish Nationalist Air Force,

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while German pilots brought the latest aircraft into the fight.

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The Kriegsmarine engaged in convoy ex court escort, blockade breaking,

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01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:59,600
naval bombardment, and u boat operations Portugal. In the first

1201
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weeks of the war, the Portuguese military attempted to form

1202
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,640
a Viriatos Legion with their own army named for the

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01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:15,159
historic Lusitanian leader Vidiathus, to aid the nationalist cause. Due

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to internal political and revolutionary struggles with their own left,

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the Salazar government dialved back the effort into an assistance

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01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,680
program for volunteers for Falanguay and an Aceete Militias, or

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the Spanish Foreign Legion. Under pressure from the International Non

1208
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:33,479
Intervention Committee, in February nineteen thirty seven, the Salazar government

1209
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published a decree prohibiting the enlistment of volunteers on either

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01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,640
side of the conflict. A Portuguese military observation mission was

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01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,479
established in March nineteen thirty seven to both study the

1212
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,520
conflict militarily as well as to covertly assist the eight

1213
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,479
to twelve thousand volunteers in navigating their service and post

1214
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war return home. Most critically, Portugal supplied key Si ports

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01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,000
in the early days of the war, funneling armaments from

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abroad to the nationalists across the border, which the nationalists

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had secured its entirety by the end of nineteen thirty six. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the Portuguese contribution is they're those men. And I

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don't want to downplay the contribution of eighty to twelve

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thousand men just for political reasons the Portuguese government. And

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01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,920
we see how far left the Portuguese government becomes. Like

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in the sixties and seventies, right, they were dealing with

1223
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:36,319
a very similar situation. Very small country, poor country, you know,

1224
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,920
collapsed in many ways like Spain. Never had the huge

1225
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:45,399
empire that Spain had, but it was still you know,

1226
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:52,560
their fingerprints. Well, we're all over the world, and they

1227
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had risen and fallen very sharply as well.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that Mostly because a lot a lot of the

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great port the great men of Portugal would just hop

1230
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over the border and go and yeah, joined join the

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01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:08,960
Spanish so that they could go overseas, and then many

1232
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of them were moted to leadership.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, and the and the span the Spanish

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01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,279
system had an allowance for that, like you know, okay,

1235
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you have a charter. And but the big thing was

1236
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that they're seaports because as you'll recall when when you like,

1237
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:28,640
when you look at the map of the seaports that

1238
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,640
the nationalists controlled, there weren't that many. You know, there

1239
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:37,399
was there was the landing at Cadiz and then Sevilla

1240
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,000
that they had, but they when it came to like

1241
01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:45,000
getting supplies up to the Carlists in the north, that

1242
01:27:45,079 --> 01:27:49,640
stuff was going through Portugal because and then as the

1243
01:27:50,319 --> 01:27:53,359
you know, my theory is part of the reason that

1244
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,760
it was so easy for the nationalists to move up

1245
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:01,720
the western side of Spain border Portugal is because the

1246
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Portuguese government were facilitating the movement of international armaments and

1247
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:12,119
fuel and everything through their borders. So it was very

1248
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:14,760
critical for them to secure all those points. And when

1249
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,560
you read the individual stories about the battles for the

1250
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,760
cities along there, there's a lot of bitching about the

1251
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:26,000
Portuguese because by the Libtards, because the Portuguese they don't

1252
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,279
want a communist country right on their border and Portugal

1253
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:32,640
in Spain, you know, that is a struggle that goes

1254
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:37,520
back for their whole history, right, So it's a really

1255
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,880
important contribution that the government did, but they.

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Speaker 1: Had to dial it back.

1257
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Speaker 2: Like I said, it was an internal thing, but a

1258
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,880
lot of it was international, and you know, they bitch

1259
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,319
about the Slisar government as much as they bitch about

1260
01:28:50,319 --> 01:28:55,079
the Fronco government and the liptarted press. So it's very

1261
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it was a very critical contribution that the Portuguese made.

1262
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We're going to stop right there because really, yeah, because

1263
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really nineteen thirty six to nineteen thirty seven is when

1264
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there's a huge shift in the war. So this is

1265
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almost a perfectse to stop. This is like the jump off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right. Remind everybody where they can find

1267
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your stuff. Uh.

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Speaker 2: I am on Twitter codeal Doll. If you just look

1269
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:28,119
for Carl Doll, you'll be able to find me. And

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also I have a substack Carldoll dot substack dot com.

1271
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By book, I have a fictional novel about the Spanish

1272
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Civil War that required like five years of research and

1273
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I had to relearn Spanish to read like good source material.

1274
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So I have a ton of articles about the stuff

1275
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that I found out that when you google it a

1276
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lot of times, my substack is the number one result

1277
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,319
in the English language for a lot of these times topics,

1278
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because like I said, you know, this stuff cries out

1279
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to be translated into English. So thanks Pete, appreciate it,

1280
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:11,039
Thanks for having me here.

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Speaker 1: Hail Victory, help until part to you help

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Speaker 2: H