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<v Speaker 1>Get many tell me that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you're listening to my little online radio station,

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<v Speaker 2>this is coming on at an odd time of day

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<v Speaker 2>if you're hearing it live, and it just is the

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<v Speaker 2>seventh day of November twenty twenty five, allegedly, according to

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<v Speaker 2>that thing we call a calendar. And we're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>special here today. And what's it about the Lancer Conference

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<v Speaker 2>coming up November twenty first to the twenty third, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this month, a few weeks from now. I'll be starting

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<v Speaker 2>on my road trip on the nineteenth actually, but from

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty first to the twenty third, we'll be live

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<v Speaker 2>in Dallas, and i'm the MC over there. So today,

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<v Speaker 2>what I've got is the best guests that I could

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<v Speaker 2>sort of gather together a couple of weeks before. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a little more than two weeks away, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a pretty diverse group of guys that we got there,

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<v Speaker 2>A group of guys and gals actually that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing presentations, panels and everything, and God help

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<v Speaker 2>you all. I've actually had something to do with the

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<v Speaker 2>selection process this time. I'm not in charge of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've been involved. So anyway, I'm really happy actually

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<v Speaker 2>to kick this off a little early, although it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little late. I meant to go on air well about

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get to it quickly because I know

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<v Speaker 2>how to speak quickly, and so does this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Johnny Karen's has.

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<v Speaker 2>Been on this show one other time, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>having a hard time remembering it because it was years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you that is a mistake on my part.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have had this guy on more. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I met him in Dallas, I was really really happy,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, who I was looking at, the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of energy I got from this guy, the enthusiasm, and

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, the solid research he was doing, which I

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<v Speaker 2>got to watch in the presentation later, because again I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing five jobs that weekend, so I didn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>watch everybody's presentation. But Johnny I got to see outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the conference a little bit. I think we were

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<v Speaker 2>at the same dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a blur at this point, but this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of those good guys that I hope I can bring

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<v Speaker 2>on here more in case you guys have all forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see how he's doing. He's talking to us from

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<v Speaker 2>over on the other side of the pond. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>note the accent, you know, like I don't have one,

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<v Speaker 2>right I know?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways, Johnny? First off, how you doing today? Uh? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Did I lose Johnny? I had him here. I swear

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<v Speaker 3>to he was connected. Let me see. I couldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>lost him already, did I?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>I see him? I do hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, you can shut off your camera if you want

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm not using the video. Let's get the audio

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<v Speaker 2>straight though, because I go.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Johnny, how you doing? And nothing? So I feel

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<v Speaker 3>foolish anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, reintroduce yourself. I don't know if you heard everything

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<v Speaker 2>I just said, but I tried to go quick. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get into what it is you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to present and all that, and I'll let you roll

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 3>But first, how you doing today, sir?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm good? Thanks set Kerry.

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<v Speaker 3>You doing oh well?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm surviving. Like I said, I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to try and get you on here more in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, I was very sick after the time

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<v Speaker 2>that you and I met in Dallas. But frankly, it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things, what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>But I meant to start getting you on the show

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<v Speaker 2>more often, and I've failed to do so my fault,

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<v Speaker 2>because we need to get you back on.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, those your dogs are mine probably mine. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 3>here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>They're broadcasting from home, So tell us about what it

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<v Speaker 2>is you're going to be presenting, get people a background,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll kind of turn down my sound so that

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<v Speaker 2>the weenie dogs don't disturb us here. I got little dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of them here, so we'll try and keep

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<v Speaker 2>them from disturbing us. But tell us about what it

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<v Speaker 2>is you're going to be presenting and everything else, please.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 5>So. My name is Jeanny Kirns.

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<v Speaker 6>I have been caught up in the research and the

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<v Speaker 6>life and the assassination of President Kennedy since I was

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<v Speaker 6>around thirteen years old. I've never really done it seriously

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<v Speaker 6>until I don't know, maybe seventeen eighteen, and it's just

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<v Speaker 6>something that I've just done all these years.

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<v Speaker 5>I've written.

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<v Speaker 6>I write for Kennedy's and King, which joined the Eugenio's website.

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<v Speaker 5>I've written numerous articles on the case.

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<v Speaker 6>My most best work, I think, is my six part

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<v Speaker 6>article which I've done for the sixtieth anniversary in twenty

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<v Speaker 6>twenty three.

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<v Speaker 5>And I have.

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<v Speaker 6>Ever since then, I've been speaking at different conferences, especially

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<v Speaker 6>the conference in the UK for Daily Players the UK,

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<v Speaker 6>and mostly reading things. You know, my focus is shifting

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<v Speaker 6>now in the assass the nation more to the lifer

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<v Speaker 6>John Kennedy. So this is what I'm talking about at

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<v Speaker 6>Lanser for this conference. I'm just I'm indicted.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to be there in person.

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<v Speaker 2>But right well, let me let me interrupt you for

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<v Speaker 2>a second. Because you're younger than me. I'm certain of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if not, I got to tell you, you're

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<v Speaker 2>making me feel terrible if you're anywhere near my age.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think you are. How old are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I will be fairly five and start next month, so

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<v Speaker 6>I'm fairly ford.

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<v Speaker 3>Just now, Okay, okay, so I understand your progression. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You joined it into the JFK assassination research around the

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<v Speaker 2>same time I did. So what happens here is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we got into it as teenagers, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course our focus might have been different at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm older, so it was around the twenty fifth anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>when my teenage entrance happened. You look kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a musician. I was a musician at the time. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you play any I forget these these questions because we

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<v Speaker 2>only met that one time when you came over with

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<v Speaker 2>Dealy Plaza UK as a group.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, go ahead, Yeah, that's right, So I do play.

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<v Speaker 6>I play guitar, and my girlfriend would would say not

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<v Speaker 6>very well, but to me I sounded like a prime

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<v Speaker 6>John Lennon nice I do.

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<v Speaker 5>I do love all sorts of music.

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<v Speaker 6>One of my favorite artists at the minute, in fact,

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<v Speaker 5>Called Steven Wilson Jr. Who's guy from Indiana. I went

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<v Speaker 5>to see him live.

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<v Speaker 6>Earlier this year in Glasgow. Totally blew my mind. He

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<v Speaker 6>is a country and some of the best lyrics I've

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<v Speaker 6>heard in a very long time. So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 6>where I am. And then the minute with the music stuff. Bobby,

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<v Speaker 6>you Chuck, what do you listen to?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, mainly I was a hard rocking, heavy metal kind

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<v Speaker 2>of guy, and frankly I played all kinds of music though,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I did everything from wedding bands and blues

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<v Speaker 2>and jazz straight on to death metal and punk, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in my time. But I'm a bit older now and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but it does give you a different flavor

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<v Speaker 2>when you're dealing there. There are certain people that are

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<v Speaker 2>in the research community that were musicians, and believe it

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<v Speaker 2>or not, we end up gravitating toward each other a

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of like you, And that's a weird thing to

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<v Speaker 2>say because I only met you a one time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I met like hundreds of researchers and you're one of these.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys where I was like, oh, thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I think I blurted out

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<v Speaker 2>to you at the restaurant at Campezies. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>blurted out to you, Oh thank god, somebody the looking

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<v Speaker 2>at you.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're one of my guys.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was like it was the tattoos, Chuck, it

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<v Speaker 5>was the tattoos.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, So okay, now we've sidetracked a bit, and

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<v Speaker 2>we got Larry Hancock coming up in about fifteen twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get back to your research though, because you've

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<v Speaker 2>shifted and we did talk about Oswald the last time

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<v Speaker 2>you were on the show. You've been to Dealey Plaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know you've actually made the trip from over

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the pond to hear been

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<v Speaker 2>to Dallas presented at the conferences. I wish you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in person this year, but unfortunately, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's better because with the way the airplanes are

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<v Speaker 2>going here with the government shutdown, who knows. Anyways, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's safer for you to stay over there this year.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really wish you were coming, but you've shifted around.

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<v Speaker 3>So tell us what.

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<v Speaker 2>Just give us an idea why it is you're going

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<v Speaker 2>into the life of Kennedy now, just from like your

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<v Speaker 2>motivation standpoint, and then give us an idea, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to do. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about his his later political life or are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to give us a kind of a broad view of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. Are you going to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>him being in Congress, or are you're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the local stuff when he was still trying

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<v Speaker 2>to ride on the Fitzgerald you know sort of family line,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the other side, not the Kennedy side of

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<v Speaker 2>his family, you know, when he was using that because

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<v Speaker 2>he had Honey fitz as a relative. Maybe people don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about that in Boston politics. How deep are you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go into it? Is it going to be

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<v Speaker 2>political personal.

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<v Speaker 5>What it's going to be personal.

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<v Speaker 6>For sure. I I still believe in John Kennedy. And

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<v Speaker 6>that's a strange thing to say, considering he's been dead

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<v Speaker 6>for nearly sixty two years.

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<v Speaker 5>But I still believe in him and his ideals.

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<v Speaker 6>John Kennedy is someone that isn't in a history book.

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<v Speaker 6>To me, he is a live and breathing ideal and

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<v Speaker 6>it is something that guides me in my life. Not

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<v Speaker 6>to make him out to be like a saint or

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<v Speaker 6>anything like that. He was profoundly human, just like the

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<v Speaker 6>rest of us are.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, But there's there's, there's there's there's.

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<v Speaker 6>Examples in his life and his presidency that really inspire

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<v Speaker 6>me today.

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<v Speaker 5>For example, p.

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<v Speaker 6>T One O nine, the fact that he swam with

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<v Speaker 6>one of his crew men on his back for over

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<v Speaker 6>three miles. It's an extraordinary act of courage and.

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<v Speaker 5>Stuff like that. You know, it just really continues to inspire. Fact.

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<v Speaker 6>The fact of the matter is, I go back to

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<v Speaker 6>some of the speeches that he delivered. You know a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of people gravitate towards the you know, the June tenth,

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<v Speaker 5>Three America University University. It's a great speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, for me, Sorry, I blurred it out loud, but

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<v Speaker 2>I blurred it out loud when you said the date

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<v Speaker 2>I said the American University Speech. I wasn't even thinking

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but Jun ten sixty three, right, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So what was so profound about that? I mean, to

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<v Speaker 2>you personally, I know what I would say, but this

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't even alive when he died. I was particularly

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<v Speaker 2>touched by the fact that we would have been extracted

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<v Speaker 2>from the Vietnam War as an American and that affected

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<v Speaker 2>me directly personally. But what is the personal attachment you

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<v Speaker 2>have to this? And why is it the American University speech?

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<v Speaker 2>Just to give us a hint about one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most widely talked about speeches he gave, generally speaking, what

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<v Speaker 5>I speak humanity in the speech.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't bought am Robert Kennedy and American politics, on

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<v Speaker 6>even politics in general.

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't seen anyone make a speech like.

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<v Speaker 6>That, and the preceding sixty two years since the events

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<v Speaker 6>in Delli Plaza as the fact is that he tried

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we all breathe the same air, We all

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<v Speaker 6>charged our children's future, and we're all MOrTL John Kennedy

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<v Speaker 6>was profoundly touched and motivated by children. In fact, during

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<v Speaker 6>their thirteen Days of October nineteen sixty two, one of

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<v Speaker 6>the things that really caused them a lot of pain

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<v Speaker 6>was the you know, the children around the world who

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<v Speaker 6>would be killed as a result of nuclear confrontation with

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<v Speaker 6>the Soviet Union. You know, children who had no role,

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<v Speaker 6>who had no say in whose lives would be snuffed

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<v Speaker 6>out along with the rest of us. And I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know if you know, but when he fought for the

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<v Speaker 6>nuclear the limited nuclear test Bantry, John Kennedy, against all odds,

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<v Speaker 6>got passed. And again when he found out that the

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<v Speaker 6>fallout you know, from these tests came down in the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 6>in the rain, you know, and it would it would

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it would affect the soil, It would affect

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<v Speaker 6>children born and yet to be born. Kenny o'donald said,

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<v Speaker 6>it's one of the most depressed they've ever seen them.

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<v Speaker 6>He was watching the rain fall outside the window into

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<v Speaker 6>the rose garden, and he said, and I'm just paraphrasing here,

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<v Speaker 6>that even the result of the malformation of one baby

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<v Speaker 6>as a result of the nuclear testing should be a

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<v Speaker 6>front of us all for this generation and generations yet unborn.

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<v Speaker 6>I just don't see that humanity and and and not

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<v Speaker 6>just a politician and uh and and another human being.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's very profound and one that again, something

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<v Speaker 6>that I think that's often overlooked is the political courage

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<v Speaker 6>it took for As to address the nation the next

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<v Speaker 6>night and Janie eleventhineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 5>Three on civil rights.

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<v Speaker 6>President Kennedy was told, or he was informed not to

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<v Speaker 5>The fear was that it would not only cost.

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<v Speaker 6>The Democratic Party of the South for generations to come,

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<v Speaker 6>but I would also cost him in nineteen sixty four election. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>But he done it because it was the right thing

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>See, that's the thing, Johnny. And that's the thing, Johnny.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not one of these guys who tries to apply

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<v Speaker 2>sainthood to John Kennedy either. But I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>extremely important to recognize that there was a huge difference

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<v Speaker 2>in the way this man conducted himself from what we

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<v Speaker 2>see today. And that difference was seen not only in

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear test ban treaty, but you know, because remember

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<v Speaker 2>I started researching this around the time you were born, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is this, what I see is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who was continuously under pressure. He was being told

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<v Speaker 2>that we could win in a nuclear exchange with the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union. He was told that we could get that done.

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<v Speaker 2>By his military leadership. He was being pressured to go

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<v Speaker 2>to war over conflicts that stemmed from places like Germany, Laos,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and other places before Vietnam, but also including Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, let's invade Cuba, let's do this, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do that. He had pressures on him, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been easier, It would have made more money.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have attracted you know, a certain like hawkish

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<v Speaker 2>political you know, cachet to him. It would have given

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<v Speaker 2>him political capital among certain people in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and it certainly would have given him the thanks, so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak, of the military industrial complex in general who

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<v Speaker 2>would have been more than happy to prop it off

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<v Speaker 2>a bloodshed no matter where it was. And this guy

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly did exactly the opposite thing. And I think the consideration,

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<v Speaker 2>in part is exactly what you're laying out, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, there's a whole And I bring this

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<v Speaker 2>up all the time, not inspired by John Kennedy, but

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<v Speaker 2>inspired by common sense that no matter what, if we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to loose the monster of war one way or another,

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<v Speaker 2>people make a lot of brash statements. They make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of you know, sweeping statements about well, we'll just

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<v Speaker 2>go to war, we'll just bomb these people, things like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't mean just politicians, but regular people. And

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is, this is a guy who said no,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a guy who considered that there would

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<v Speaker 2>be people injured, there would be people killed, there would

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<v Speaker 2>be people impacted that never ever had anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with that conflict, with that weaponry, with that war, with

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<v Speaker 2>that prophet, with any of it. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was a major consideration here, and that, my friend, is

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<v Speaker 2>what we call leadership of a different time period than

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<v Speaker 2>what we see now. I'm not naming names, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's a different kind of leadership, especially in America.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts about what I said? Do you object? No?

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<v Speaker 6>I think as a leadership that we were longing for,

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<v Speaker 5>And that's not just in the United States. I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's all over.

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<v Speaker 6>John Kennedy gets there's a lot of their opinion divided

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<v Speaker 6>over Vietnam. The one thing I will say to people

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<v Speaker 6>that think that John Kennedy would have took the same

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<v Speaker 6>course of action as Lyndon Johnson did is that John

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<v Speaker 6>Kennedy knew that, and he told us to Mike Mansfield

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<v Speaker 6>and Kenny O'Donnell actually in the days leading up to Dallas,

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<v Speaker 6>that if he tried to get out of Vietnam, then

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<v Speaker 6>they would have had another Joseph McCarthy red scare on

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<v Speaker 6>their hands. It would have been denounced as a communist appeaser.

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<v Speaker 6>But when he got reelection, that's when he could have

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<v Speaker 6>really pulled out. And again he signed in SAM two

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<v Speaker 6>to sixty three first one thousand troops home. But the

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<v Speaker 6>political landscape at the time was, you know that they

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<v Speaker 6>couldn't no politician could be seen to, you know, lose

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<v Speaker 5>But John Kennedy was never going into Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 6>He was told on numerous occasions to bomb moref Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 6>bomb the hopes human trail, and put ground troops into

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<v Speaker 6>to Vietnam, and he never done it. Once he was

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<v Speaker 6>told to go to Warren Berlin, he was told to

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<v Speaker 6>go to Warren Laos, he was told to go to

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<v Speaker 6>in Vietnam, and every time he rejected it. Yet Lyndon Johnson,

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<v Speaker 6>when he was presented with war, he took it at

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<v Speaker 6>the first opportunity. And that's the difference between Kennedy and Johnson.

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<v Speaker 6>As Robert Kennedy says, you know, they used to have

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<v Speaker 6>a president who was a gentleman, and now they've got

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<v Speaker 6>a president he would only be nice to if you

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<v Speaker 6>want to kiss hiss behind all the time, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, that's so that's what that's what inspires me

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<v Speaker 6>about it. And that's the tragedy of of Daily Plaza.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, as well, he was he was he was

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<v Speaker 6>half the days.

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<v Speaker 5>On this earth. You know, he was spent in excruciating agony.

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<v Speaker 5>He had a bad back.

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<v Speaker 6>He was given the last ride to the Catholic church

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<v Speaker 6>four times before his inauguration, but he kept on going.

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<v Speaker 5>And it would have been easy for him to live a.

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<v Speaker 6>Life a luxury, to live a life where you know,

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<v Speaker 6>he didn't need to go to public service. But one

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<v Speaker 6>of his favorite books was Pilgrim's Way and it was

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<v Speaker 6>Lord Tweedsmere, and he said that politics is still the

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<v Speaker 6>greatest and most honorable adventure in John Kennedy believed that,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think if you look at his life and

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<v Speaker 6>his presidency, I think that shines through well.

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<v Speaker 2>Outside of the Lancer conference, where can my listeners go

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<v Speaker 2>to follow up to see what it is you're working on?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a central place?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you working on putting anything together where we can

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<v Speaker 2>see Johnny Kern's work, you know, for ourselves. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a link I can share with people or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that? Or do you just say go look

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<v Speaker 2>at my articles and look at my presentations or you

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<v Speaker 2>got something upcoming?

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<v Speaker 3>What's happening with you?

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<v Speaker 5>So am I do right?

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<v Speaker 6>For Kennedys and King, I've wrote numerous articles. All articles

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<v Speaker 6>are basically on there. If you type my name into YouTube,

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<v Speaker 6>you'll find presentations that I've done in the past, and

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<v Speaker 6>I also co authored a book with a Canadian researcher,

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<v Speaker 6>a guy called Dave O'Brien.

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<v Speaker 5>Dave was a.

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<v Speaker 6>Reporter who got access to the Texas School Book to

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<v Speaker 6>positry in the nineteen seventies when the building was basically

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<v Speaker 6>derelict and the books called case not Closed, which obviously

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, most of my work is on Kennys and King.

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<v Speaker 6>I have got an article that's going to be coming

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<v Speaker 6>out on the twenty second and is going to be

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<v Speaker 6>a tribute to it.

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<v Speaker 5>Fridge John F. Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 6>So for anyone that wants to be my latest work

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<v Speaker 6>will be on Kennyth and Kenglin.

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<v Speaker 3>The twenty second excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I look forward to that on the twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>but also look forward to seeing your presentation at Lancer.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I appreciate you taking the time today

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<v Speaker 2>to do this with me, and I'm more than happy

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<v Speaker 2>I got to get you on more in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Johnny.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what I gotta do because I appreciate the energy.

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<v Speaker 2>I have similar thoughts to you, and again, I just

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<v Speaker 2>by meeting this guy I knew exactly. I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>at somebody that I want to follow and pay attention to,

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<v Speaker 2>another younger guy than myself. And I'm happy to see

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<v Speaker 2>that also, because you know, my generation was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>to the research community, and I was kind of feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like we were losing the next generation or two.

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<v Speaker 3>But thank the Gods.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got you and Alex Harris and a couple other

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<v Speaker 2>guys that I've run into that let me know that

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<v Speaker 2>there's younger guys out there. I mean, really, if I

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<v Speaker 2>put you in Alex Harris's ages together, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I get mine, all right, So you know, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting to be one of the older guys, although

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get in a slightly older guy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I say that with all the joking there because I

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<v Speaker 2>love them. Larry Hancock coming up next, but you know,

436
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<v Speaker 2>there's the generation before me, and I'm happy to see

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to continue on because eventually, my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get at something that resembles a full

439
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<v Speaker 2>public disclosure regarding the truth about what happened here. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's important for the reasons that you're laying out

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<v Speaker 2>and your presentation, your upcoming article, and your current you know,

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<v Speaker 2>vein of research that you're tapping into. And I look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to seeing what you're going to do in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And hope I'm going to be able to get you

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<v Speaker 2>on here more so we can talk about it and

446
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<v Speaker 2>I can keep up with you a little bit better.

447
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<v Speaker 2>So Johnny, again, thanks so much for joining.

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<v Speaker 6>Me, love, thanks for having me so as a pleasure, Chuck,

449
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<v Speaker 6>and I look forward to speaking to you again.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely soon, I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>And so with that, I was going to take a break,

452
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<v Speaker 2>but since Larry Hancock is actually with us already, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'll just see if Larry, are you ready to go?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to talk to me yet? Or should

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<v Speaker 3>I take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm fine, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, as an old guy, I got up early

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<v Speaker 7>for my afternoon nap and it's just a few minutes

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<v Speaker 7>before time to eat, So I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, I'm getting at that age though you and I

461
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<v Speaker 2>would be trading nap times if we were anywhere near

462
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<v Speaker 2>each other. It would be like, well, look, i'm taping

463
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<v Speaker 2>my nap here, you take yours there, and we'd figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out. But you know, Johnny, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to hang out or if you want to disconnect,

466
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<v Speaker 2>but you could hang out if you want and take

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<v Speaker 2>a listen to what Larry and I are going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about up to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I might listen for a bit.

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<v Speaker 6>It's because it's so late here, I might have to

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<v Speaker 6>slink away. But I'm always interested in what Larry's got

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<v Speaker 6>to say, so I'll definitely stay around for a wee bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, So you just hang out Johnny and Larry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, long time no talk. You and I

475
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<v Speaker 2>talk every couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Of weeks, like, oh yeah, days.

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<v Speaker 3>A few days ago. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I love talking to you, Larry. I'd have you on

479
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<v Speaker 2>every week if I thought I could convince you to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. But you know, it's it's interesting Johnny's talking

481
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<v Speaker 2>about the you know, the living legacy so to speak,

482
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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the JFK a bit more. But

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<v Speaker 2>you have been as of late focused kind of on Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just go with it. The Oswalt Puzzle, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the name of your latest book, which I highly recommend

486
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<v Speaker 2>as a matter of fact, if you if you want

487
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<v Speaker 2>the truth, I would say I recommend it above you

488
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<v Speaker 2>know Larry's other work on the case, depending on what.

489
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<v Speaker 3>It is you want to look into.

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<v Speaker 2>It is one of the best pieces that you put

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<v Speaker 2>out yourself and David Boyland together. He's your co author,

492
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<v Speaker 2>and you'll be presenting with him this year at Lancer

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<v Speaker 2>again virtually. Unfortunately, I wish you were going to be

494
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<v Speaker 2>there in person too, but I'll be there and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get your virtual presentation yours and David's. Can you give

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<v Speaker 2>us a hint what it is that you know you're

497
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<v Speaker 2>working on, going to be doing so on and so forth,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, give us an idea talk about the conference.

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<v Speaker 3>The floor is yours, sir. Oh sure.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, First of all, I really do miss being at

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<v Speaker 7>the conference. I know David does as well. I was

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<v Speaker 7>at the conference in person for the better part of

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<v Speaker 7>two decades every year, trip down to Dallas, drive down

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<v Speaker 7>to Dallas, enjoyed, enjoy you know, local visits and doing

505
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<v Speaker 7>tours in Dallas. I led walking tours for years. So

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<v Speaker 7>I do miss the physical presence for sure, There's no

507
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<v Speaker 7>doubt about that. And all the I probably did more

508
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<v Speaker 7>research in the hallways, you know, talking to Malcolm Blunt

509
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<v Speaker 7>behind a pointed platt.

510
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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm, you know, slipping some documents my way, or meeting

511
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<v Speaker 1>with Jim or.

512
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<v Speaker 7>Just a host of people that could be either Jim, Jim,

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<v Speaker 7>Mar Jim d Gdo you know that used to be

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<v Speaker 7>used to be an activity I look forward to every year.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do miss the in person part, but.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm happy I'm still able to do it remotely and

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<v Speaker 7>still able to participate remotely and hopefully going to have

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<v Speaker 7>some dialogues with people during the conference, even outside our presentation,

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<v Speaker 7>remotely as it were.

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<v Speaker 5>But so I'm looking.

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<v Speaker 3>Forward to it.

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<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't want November to pass by without it, even

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<v Speaker 7>if I can't be there in person. As far as

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<v Speaker 7>the hint of what we're talking about, David and I

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<v Speaker 7>are talking about, we're following along the trail that we

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<v Speaker 7>opened up in the Oswell Puzzle. And I would have

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<v Speaker 7>to say, just as a personal declaration, having been in

528
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<v Speaker 7>it for so long, you know, you get into this

529
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<v Speaker 7>research and at some point in time you have to

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<v Speaker 7>satisfy yourself, you know what am I going to focus on?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going to answer my burning question? And to some

532
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<v Speaker 1>extent I did that.

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<v Speaker 7>I did that with Tipping Point, which laid out what

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<v Speaker 7>my conclusions were on the actual nature of the conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 7>and someone would have talked. I laid out my thoughts

536
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<v Speaker 7>on the nature of the cover up, and I view

537
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<v Speaker 7>the two as partially linked but not totally part of

538
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<v Speaker 7>any grand plan.

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<v Speaker 1>But that takes us to Lee Harvey Oswell.

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<v Speaker 7>Because that at the end of all of that, my

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<v Speaker 7>view was Oswell a certainly is innocent Oswell as a patsy.

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<v Speaker 7>Oswell is just not any patsy, but it's a patsy

543
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<v Speaker 7>ordered obtained to point the finger of the assassination in

544
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<v Speaker 7>a certain direction, not just to make it. Don't think

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<v Speaker 7>the conspiracy ever intended him to be a loan nut.

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<v Speaker 7>That's probably the only satisfaction I take out of the

547
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<v Speaker 7>whole thing is that part of the plan failed, failed miserably,

548
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<v Speaker 7>or was obstructed. Let's put it that way. It didn't

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<v Speaker 7>come out. The whole thing didn't come out what they

550
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<v Speaker 7>wanted it to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So that makes me feel good.

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<v Speaker 7>But so David and I, that's what took us to

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<v Speaker 7>take another look at Lee Harvey Oswald, totally revisiting Oswald

554
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<v Speaker 7>regardless of anything I've written in the past. We took

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<v Speaker 7>it a new approach, and what we're doing now is

556
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<v Speaker 7>extending our research, we've been I guess for the last

557
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<v Speaker 7>six months, we've been continuing to research two sets of

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<v Speaker 7>leads really and two sets of leads with some input

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<v Speaker 7>from the new doc releases that point us towards all

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<v Speaker 7>who knew Oswald, who knew about him, who would have

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<v Speaker 7>been in a position to target him for particular purpose,

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<v Speaker 7>who would have had the ability to reach out to him.

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<v Speaker 7>I know, twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, one

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<v Speaker 7>of my biggest.

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<v Speaker 1>Questions was as well, who knew him well enough to

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<v Speaker 1>make him a patsy? Who knew him?

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<v Speaker 5>Where was he visible?

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think he was visible, And if you think.

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<v Speaker 7>The conspiracy involved elements of CIA operations people, then how.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they know about him?

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<v Speaker 7>And one of the things that has come about, fortunately

572
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<v Speaker 7>is that with David's efforts at mapping and understanding the

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<v Speaker 7>CIA's paramilitary operations and their anti Cuban operations, which has

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<v Speaker 7>taken years, with a lot of cryptbusting that a lot

575
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<v Speaker 7>of us have done Simpic and others so that we

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<v Speaker 7>can actually read documents, not just read documents, but trace

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<v Speaker 7>the document.

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<v Speaker 1>Flow, who's copied, where is it going? Oh, what's their

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<v Speaker 1>jobs they working with? We just right, and it reached

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new level, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is important because look, at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, if Oswald is nothing else, he's useful as

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<v Speaker 2>an element in the propaganda and the propaganda that emerges

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of you know, the the sort of

585
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<v Speaker 2>the blowback, the aftermath of the assassination itself, the way.

586
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<v Speaker 3>They dealt with it, you know, in real time.

587
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<v Speaker 2>But also to create you know, the legend, to create

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<v Speaker 2>the character on the media stage that would ever after

589
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<v Speaker 2>be useful. This was all engineered in a certain way,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that gives you some hints as to

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<v Speaker 2>who was interested, because he had to be cultivated. You know,

592
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<v Speaker 2>there's a reason why he gets radio interviews, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>reason why the television station you know, captures him at

594
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<v Speaker 2>a certain time doing the activity he does.

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<v Speaker 3>That was all arranged. That was all, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, these things had to be created so

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<v Speaker 2>that you had a workable legend and you had something

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<v Speaker 2>to distribute across the nation when the news went live,

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<v Speaker 2>and this way, I mean every place in the in

601
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<v Speaker 2>the United States and probably across the world got to

602
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<v Speaker 2>hear this guy saying, no, I'm not a communist. I'm

603
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<v Speaker 2>a Marxist Leninist. You know, this was useful because of

604
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<v Speaker 2>the current, you know, state of affairs when it came

605
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<v Speaker 2>to the Cold War, et cetera. So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>is is useful information. And David is developing a way

607
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<v Speaker 2>of looking at this to see who it is that

608
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<v Speaker 2>could have been maneuvering him, to see who it is

609
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<v Speaker 2>had access to him.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're doing it too.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's really interesting, and I think that's that's going

612
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<v Speaker 2>to be a key thing to show people because this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is how we've been able to access it over all

614
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<v Speaker 3>these years.

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<v Speaker 2>How did they use this guy as a character who

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<v Speaker 2>would have been responsible for handling the programs and sort

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, moving him across the board that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the game board, if you will, you know, as a pawn,

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<v Speaker 2>as a patsy.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is all rather.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating and it's something that is worthy of reverse engineering

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind. And we need to understand this because

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<v Speaker 2>I think it reveals formulas and one could say that

624
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<v Speaker 2>we could see the nuts and bolts of this, we

625
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<v Speaker 2>might understand how propaganda efforts and other let's call them

626
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<v Speaker 2>historical legends were built afterwards and previous to Oswald, you know,

627
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<v Speaker 2>sixty three. Given the landscape of the time, given who

628
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<v Speaker 2>was in charge of what at the time, et cetera,

629
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<v Speaker 2>where their focuses were, where their assets were available, what

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<v Speaker 2>was being funded, all of this stuff is relevant. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit complex, but it's all relevant. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is really excellent. I'm looking forward to seeing

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<v Speaker 2>this as well. Are you guys going to take up

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<v Speaker 2>the whole hour you think with it? Or I know

635
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<v Speaker 2>you got more than an hour's worth of material to go, we.

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<v Speaker 7>Will take we will take up the whole time with this.

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<v Speaker 7>We're really because one of the reasons we take up

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<v Speaker 7>the whole time, as you said, it is complex, but

639
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<v Speaker 7>also there's a timing element to it, and as we've

640
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<v Speaker 7>talked about in the past, there's always the devil is

641
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<v Speaker 7>in the details, and it's one thing to be able

642
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 7>to identify who knew what, who was doing what project,

643
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 7>But then the timing comes into play. When did they

644
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.519
<v Speaker 7>know it, When did they know it when they could

645
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.839
<v Speaker 7>when could they have started to do something about it?

646
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:26.359
<v Speaker 7>And for example, we know that the DRE began a

647
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 7>propaganda program against Oswald that the CIA shut down.

648
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Why would that happen?

649
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 7>Why wouldn't the CIA very successful everything you just described

650
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 7>in New Orleans, the dra took, they took to Miami,

651
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 7>they started writing congress persons, they started putting out flyers,

652
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 7>and suddenly the CIA shut them down. Why would That's

653
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.839
<v Speaker 7>not standard practice when you're paying the DRE to do propaganda.

654
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.000
<v Speaker 7>Then what we find out is, at the same time

655
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 7>they shut him down, a fellow in Special Fair staff

656
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 7>in Miami was Propaganda Operations begins his own program, taking

657
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.119
<v Speaker 7>the information from New Orleans, taking the knowledge of Oswald,

658
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 7>and starting a new program that we literally know nothing

659
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 7>about other than the kickoff. So the timing for a

660
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 7>lot of this stuff appears to be questioned, but appears

661
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.840
<v Speaker 7>to be useful. And looking at what happened, and Chuck,

662
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 7>I have to.

663
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Ask you, it looks like we might just have lost

664
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<v Speaker 1>the feed.

665
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 2>No, no, we're okay, we just lost Johnny again. He

666
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>had to hang up.

667
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, that's what it was. He disappeared and I disappeared.

668
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 1>But I'm still here. Okay, got it, Yes you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Chronology it will.

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00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 7>Take a full hour because we have to talk about

671
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.960
<v Speaker 7>not only people and people in what position, but people

672
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 7>who knew what When we have to talk about anomalies,

673
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 7>and this is really only half of what we're doing.

674
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 7>So this all relates to what the CIA was doing

675
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 7>and speculation about the CIA's operational use of Lee Harvey Oswald,

676
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.400
<v Speaker 7>what they had in progress, and what would have been

677
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 7>hugely embarrassing on November twenty second, people that talk about

678
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 7>a poison peel in Mexico City, that's only a minor part.

679
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Of the story.

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00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.679
<v Speaker 7>The speculation we're presenting is that there was a full

681
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 7>fledged propaganda program ready to go overseas, not inside the US,

682
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 7>but overseas to support this new m world operation. Totally black,

683
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.280
<v Speaker 7>totally deniable, just about ready to release, and then Oswald

684
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 7>comes up as a long cooman in Dallas and everybody's

685
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 7>reputation is at risk. We're looking at the other angle too,

686
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.199
<v Speaker 7>but that will come out next year. We're looking at

687
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 7>given what I just described, who knew what.

688
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 1>About Oswald?

689
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 5>When?

690
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 7>How would this tag into the actual conspiracy because that

691
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.320
<v Speaker 7>was just the first element what the CIA was doing

692
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 7>or thinking about doing with Oswald. And then the conspiracy

693
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 7>steps in and makes use of Oswald. Two different things,

694
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 7>although they hinge around some of the same people in

695
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 7>Miami it's a very black story.

696
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<v Speaker 2>Right, because look, the assassination winds up tying to the

697
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Cuban operation, which was underway already.

698
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 3>So what you've got to do.

699
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Is lay out what was going on at the time

700
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.960
<v Speaker 2>forget Oswald to start with, Okay, here's the way the

701
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>landscape is, right, then you got to start laying in

702
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>chronological order a bunch of things that were happening within

703
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the system, let's just say. And then you got to

704
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>lay out the chronology of how it interacted with Oswald

705
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and start to make sense of it. Okay, what could

706
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>we expect from this assuming then what do we see

707
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.280
<v Speaker 2>here that went the you.

708
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Know, sideways?

709
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>What didn't function according to the way it should have

710
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 2>and why is that significant? And did that start happening

711
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 2>before the assassination or was it just a cya thing afterwards?

712
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 2>These are all important questions to put these things in

713
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 2>proper order. And I know this word comes up a

714
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 2>lot with you and I, but in their proper context,

715
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>you have to know what was happening, what usefulness this

716
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 2>guy would have served theoretically, if you're just looking at

717
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>the Cuban operation, put the assassination aside, right, because he

718
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>could have without the assassination. Let's say theoretically he's still

719
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.719
<v Speaker 2>useful as an American propping up or propagandizing people in

720
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>public regarding the Castro regime, defending Castro. Now, this could

721
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 2>be all sorts of an intelligence operation to draw people out,

722
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 2>to find out who's who, to see in a particular

723
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 2>area where the concentration is, to test the local Cuban population,

724
00:37:58.400 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

725
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 3>These are all these.

726
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Are all general speculations on my part.

727
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Guys.

728
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not revealing anything here. What I'm saying is that

729
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 2>you got to put that in context. Now we put

730
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 2>it in order. This is the way it went, this

731
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 2>is the way it kind of should have went. And

732
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>now the assassination comes up, what do we see before

733
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and after that? And if you can lay all this out,

734
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.079
<v Speaker 2>you get an idea of who had their hands in

735
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.559
<v Speaker 2>this operation one way or another. You have an idea

736
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 2>of where the money came from, You have an idea

737
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of who else he interacted with.

738
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<v Speaker 3>Right, So this lays out a.

739
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<v Speaker 2>Lot of important facts about the alleged assassin.

740
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 3>Am I right or wrong?

741
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 5>Now?

742
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you're right.

743
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 7>The real question is at what point do these things

744
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 7>begin to run in parallel.

745
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's assume there.

746
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.119
<v Speaker 7>Is a black propaganda operation going on by the CIA

747
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 7>that's being prepared, and we see traces of that, and

748
00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 7>we'll talk about the traces that we see. The interesting

749
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 7>act is we see now see so many documents and

750
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 7>so much about the Cuba project in Miami, at Miami Station,

751
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 7>but it's all on the military and paramilitary side. We

752
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 7>see nothing about this operation that we now know is

753
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 7>going on because the head of it asked the FBI

754
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.239
<v Speaker 7>to provide information from the FPCC. They wanted documents, they

755
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.639
<v Speaker 7>wanted letters, they wanted you know, we need information from

756
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 7>the Fair Play for Cuba Committee because we're going to

757
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 7>twist it and we're going to fake it, and we're

758
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 7>going to revert you reverse it. We're going to take

759
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 7>it overseas and make them look really, really dangerous. We

760
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 7>know that was the goal of the operation. We know

761
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 7>they contacted the FBI and among the information sent to

762
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.960
<v Speaker 7>them was coming from the guy that had been writing

763
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 7>letters to Oswald and responding to Oswell's letters. So the key,

764
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 7>the key to all of this is to try to

765
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 7>put that in parallel as you describe and see at

766
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.639
<v Speaker 7>the point in which they diverge. When do the people

767
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.840
<v Speaker 7>in Miami who are running what is probably a sanctioned

768
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 7>perfectly you know dark you know, probably end project. When

769
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 7>do they get had? Basically, when does somebody steal Oswald.

770
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And begin to manipulate him to make him.

771
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 7>Something more than just a propaganda tool, but an actually

772
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 7>patsy in the assassination. That also gives us a clue

773
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:39.599
<v Speaker 7>as to when the actual plans for the assassination began

774
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:40.079
<v Speaker 7>to gel.

775
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's very important, very much so.

776
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 2>So Look, with the last ten minutes or so that

777
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I have reserved with you, I want to let you

778
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>know that there's going to be a chat room. And

779
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've gotten the information yet, but

780
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:55.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you will because I spoke to Gabby the

781
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 2>other night about this. We're going to have a chat

782
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.360
<v Speaker 2>room that people will be able to go into during

783
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.719
<v Speaker 2>the live conference from the twenty first to the twenty third,

784
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 2>And this way you'll be able to interact with people

785
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.559
<v Speaker 2>and you won't need Facebook because you've been I still

786
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 2>can't believe I'm saying this. Larry Hancock is like banned

787
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>on Facebook.

788
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why.

789
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but anyway, we're gonna have a chat tangle room

790
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 2>that people will be able to visit and you'll be

791
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>able to sign into Larry. You should be given administrative

792
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:26.199
<v Speaker 2>access to it all and all that so that during

793
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:29.159
<v Speaker 2>the conference live they'll be able to interact with you

794
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and also with us there on the ground. We should

795
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 2>all be able to get into this chat room during

796
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 2>that weekend, the twenty first to the twenty third, which

797
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>is when the Lancer Conference is in person. But we

798
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:44.039
<v Speaker 2>also have a planned extra day of virtual stuff which

799
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 2>might occur on Monday. My understanding is that'll be the

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00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.079
<v Speaker 2>extra day on Monday for people that go to Assassination

801
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Conference dot com and sign up and get your tickets.

802
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And oh, by the way, you can get ten percent

803
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<v Speaker 2>off with the code Ocelly ten. The coupon code is Ocelli,

804
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>which is my name and one zero ten as in

805
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 2>you get ten percent off. But so you're going to

806
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.639
<v Speaker 2>have a live chat room, are you still willing to

807
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 2>do the live chat with us that weekend or.

808
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Are you going to have time? What's going on there now?

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00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to that.

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00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 7>Gabrielle mentioned that last night when David and I did

811
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:21.079
<v Speaker 7>our recording for the conference of our presentation.

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00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>She said, you you would.

813
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 7>Educate me on how to get into it, and I said,

814
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:25.840
<v Speaker 7>that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more than happy to do that. It gives me

816
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 1>a view into the conference. Let's you know, let' let

817
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 1>me talk with people and possibly because I've.

818
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 7>Been at this so long and have heard so much,

819
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<v Speaker 7>at least some of it I remember, and you know,

820
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 7>on many many topics can share with people that are

821
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:50.360
<v Speaker 7>interested after moderating, like fifteen conferences or so, there's a

822
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 7>lot of history there.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can just recall it, I'm.

824
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Sure you'll do fine.

825
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>We got Joe BURRELLI coming up in about ten minutes,

826
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 2>but before we get there, because you to be online

827
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 2>on the jitsu thing, which by the way, Joe, I

828
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:03.440
<v Speaker 2>don't need your camera.

829
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 3>If you want to kill that, that's fine.

830
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>We can just have the audio feed and just hang

831
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 2>out while I'm still finishing up with Larry here. But no,

832
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I look forward to that and I want to be

833
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.079
<v Speaker 2>able to use it on the ground. Now I'm going

834
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to be busy, busy running around and introducing people, and

835
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>allegedly I'll be part of one panel anyway, so we'll

836
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 2>see what happens. Plus I'm giving a presentation. So I

837
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know how much I'll be in the chat room.

838
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be depending on you, Larry.

839
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<v Speaker 3>So and that that'll be again available.

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00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 5>That I should be able.

841
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.039
<v Speaker 1>To be I should be able to be there all

842
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 1>the time.

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00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 7>And you know, if I see something separate, I'll let

844
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.000
<v Speaker 7>you Gabrielle and know by email or something like that.

845
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 7>If I you know, if the feed goes off or

846
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 7>something happens.

847
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, I plan. I definitely plan to.

848
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 7>Be hanging out almost all of the conference, just as

849
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 7>if I had been there in person.

850
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.039
<v Speaker 1>We'll just consider this the hallway.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if we have reception on the cell phones, do

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00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.480
<v Speaker 2>me a favor, just call Gabby or call Can and

853
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.840
<v Speaker 2>tell them to directly because I don't carry a cel phone. Okay,

854
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<v Speaker 2>but just call him and tell us any proproblems, because

855
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.639
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be like our lifeline to the online people.

856
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 2>And you've served in that role for the past couple

857
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 2>of years. And you know, the last time I think

858
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you were there was geez, what maybe twenty nineteen.

859
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Three years?

860
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.360
<v Speaker 7>Well, I think about maybe it's been three years since

861
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 7>I've been there.

862
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you were there for maybe sixty of.

863
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>It maybe, So maybe this four years ago.

864
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you were there for the sixtieth.

865
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:33.199
<v Speaker 5>It was on the sixtieth.

866
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you were there for the sixtieth anniversary in twenty three.

867
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>That's right now, my memories got it.

868
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.880
<v Speaker 4>I just wanted to butt in Larry and say hi

869
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.719
<v Speaker 4>because I love you, and Hi, Joe, how are you, sir?

870
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 4>And Larry was like, you know, he was like the

871
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 4>president walking around at the sixtieth and he was gracious.

872
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:57.519
<v Speaker 5>Enough to.

873
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:03.880
<v Speaker 8>Give me an hour or on Sunday morning to review

874
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 8>some of the documents and presentation we had found on

875
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 8>James Verbartin and just someone that's so great with us

876
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 8>time and I consider a mentor.

877
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:19.079
<v Speaker 5>So I'll let you guys finish off.

878
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 8>I just want to say hi, Larry, and whenever you're done,

879
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 8>I'll kick in or I'll just hang out.

880
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.159
<v Speaker 7>If I had just been able to keep that security detail,

881
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 7>maybe I would have been on Facebook now, but you know,

882
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:30.760
<v Speaker 7>things happen.

883
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I really cannot.

884
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm still dumbfounded by the fact that your banned on Facebook.

885
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's right, you were there in twenty three.

886
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, you gave me something that

887
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I treasure that's on the top of my bookcase behind me.

888
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 3>That year, and I appreciate that as well.

889
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 2>But look, also, Larry is on my show all the time,

890
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>and I tell you guys, go to larrydshancock dot com

891
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>follow his blog because it's more informative than people's whole

892
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>web sites, and it's just the stuff he thinks about

893
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>blogging about. On top of the fact that I recommend

894
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 2>all of his books, they're all on my shelf behind me,

895
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 2>which is not just JFK stuff, by the way, might

896
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 2>include some things that revolve around the case, like I

897
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know, Nexus, Surprise.

898
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 3>Attack, Shadow Warfare. Geez.

899
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.519
<v Speaker 2>These titles sound like they might be something that might

900
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 2>have something to do with the Kennedy assassination, but they're

901
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 2>not focused on it. But of course I highly recommend

902
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>someone would have talked tipping point, you know. Please the

903
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Oswald puzzle right now is the best thing to get.

904
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.000
<v Speaker 3>And do we have.

905
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Any announcements about anything coming up, Larry? Are we waiting

906
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 2>on that what's going on there?

907
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 5>No, we do.

908
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 7>We do hope to have what David and I are

909
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 7>working on now in print in some fashion next year,

910
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:57.719
<v Speaker 7>so it will become available.

911
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't have any time on that.

912
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 7>Yet, but we've we've completed our initial work on those

913
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 7>those two areas.

914
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:06.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, who knew what at.

915
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.920
<v Speaker 7>The CIA and what does that mean for operational interest

916
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:15.800
<v Speaker 7>in Oswald? And where's the crossover to the conspiracy and

917
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 7>how did that work?

918
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 1>How did they take over Oswald?

919
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 7>How did they essentially take Oswald out from under you know,

920
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 7>the CIA propaganda element and and began to set them

921
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.199
<v Speaker 7>up when So we finished all of that, it's written up,

922
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 7>it's even edited, and I just don't have a specific

923
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 7>data as to how it's actually.

924
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.519
<v Speaker 1>Hell when.

925
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.039
<v Speaker 7>It will be available next year, but that will happen

926
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 7>and right, and I'll publisher now for another book on UFOs.

927
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 1>So who knows.

928
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure I would live through it, but I

929
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 7>went off the deep end and proposed it.

930
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Here we go, Okay, so it just as a quick thing. Yeah,

931
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>there will be in adendum to the Oswalt puzzle, and

932
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>we'll keep you informed on this show as to when

933
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.760
<v Speaker 2>exactly it drops, and I will let you guys know

934
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 2>right away how you can get it and all that stuff.

935
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.079
<v Speaker 2>But in the meantime, hey, look, if you get really

936
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 2>worn out on the JFK topic, indeed we can go

937
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>into UAP.

938
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 3>They call it now.

939
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.280
<v Speaker 2>We could talk about those disclosures and the work of

940
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.719
<v Speaker 2>the you know, current Congress if they ever get back

941
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 2>in session, I guess, you know, and see if we

942
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 2>get any more disclosures, there any new data. You know,

943
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>It's funny, Larry, I see a couple of pronouncements from

944
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>mainstream media that sound like they're starting to come in

945
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 2>line with that group that you know, didn't exactly grab

946
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the headlines the same as the guy who said we

947
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.079
<v Speaker 2>have alien technology and aliens in our possession. But you know,

948
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 2>it seems as though that is having an influence that

949
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 2>group you're working with. And of course we've happily promoted

950
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.679
<v Speaker 2>that and the book on Identified, which is again another

951
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 2>great work by Larry Hancock, but that definitely doesn't revolve

952
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 2>around the JFK assassination. That's more about what they used

953
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to call UFOs and currently call UAP and the UAP

954
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>what has it done. I saw recent discussions actually about ges.

955
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, we see that there are actual patterns related

956
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to the interest of these vehicles, etc. That are surrounding

957
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:30.599
<v Speaker 2>our nuclear facilities or at least were it seems as

958
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 2>though that's not currently what their focus is. And yet

959
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.719
<v Speaker 2>we're still seeing them and they do exist, etc. And

960
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 2>guess what, a whole lot of academic data was put

961
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:43.960
<v Speaker 2>together by a team Larry, not all by himself, but

962
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 2>as part of a team that did all that work.

963
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 2>What is the name of that organization again, the USC

964
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it is something like that.

965
00:49:52.519 --> 00:50:01.280
<v Speaker 7>And yeah, Scientific Coalition for Anomalous Phenomena, right, which is

966
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 7>basically it's SCU Study of Phenomenous funnel, which which honestly

967
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 7>I dislike because I think UFO was very straightforward. But

968
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:18.320
<v Speaker 7>when the new government committee decided to study it again,

969
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 7>they made it anomalous phenomena, which, you know, phenomena could

970
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.440
<v Speaker 7>be lots of things, so we took it away from

971
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 7>being something pretty physical and pretty obvious and made it

972
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.679
<v Speaker 7>mysterious again, which I think was going in the wrong direction.

973
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, not only could phenomena be a bunch of different things,

974
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.360
<v Speaker 2>but so could anomalous. But okay, fine, government speak, what

975
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>are you going to do? But we got to give

976
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.039
<v Speaker 2>them the keywords and phrases and acronyms to go search

977
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.800
<v Speaker 2>for because I want them to find your work, and

978
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 2>we will put links in the show notes. But if

979
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.079
<v Speaker 2>you go over to Larry's blog, and just roll it

980
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 2>back a little bit. You can easily see the work

981
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.599
<v Speaker 2>that Larry's doing on that as well, So not only

982
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>j Kay and moderating a chat room for us and

983
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.719
<v Speaker 2>everything else. Maybe you're not traveling, but you're still doing

984
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of work.

985
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:08.079
<v Speaker 3>And I know you.

986
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Dread volunteering for another book because it's so funny I've seen, Larry. Now, well,

987
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I've got an article. Okay, so I've got a monograph. Okay,

988
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe I have a book. Every time he dives into something,

989
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.119
<v Speaker 2>it seems, I mean not every time, but it seems

990
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to have happened I don't know, good three, four or

991
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 2>five times since I've known you, Larry.

992
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 3>Is that a pattern or what it seem?

993
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 7>It does seem to work that way, and I've decided

994
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.800
<v Speaker 7>that it's a good thing. I didn't set out to

995
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.880
<v Speaker 7>make a career as a short story writer.

996
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 1>They just would not have worked out.

997
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 8>Yes, now it is a novel and a masterpiece. We

998
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:50.800
<v Speaker 8>could blame everything on Rex, right, Larry.

999
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that will do for the moment, without a doubt.

1000
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, at the end of the day, yeah, yeah, and.

1001
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 1>There will be there will be more. At this point,

1002
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interesting.

1003
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 7>The Oversight Committee in Congress is looking at four different

1004
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:13.079
<v Speaker 7>subjects right, three assassinations and UFOs, and I've provided material

1005
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.760
<v Speaker 7>that's working with the committee on all four areas. Beginning

1006
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.719
<v Speaker 7>to lose track of who I tell what about which?

1007
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Larry, at this point, the only thing

1008
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 2>you're not working on is the Epstein files.

1009
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.400
<v Speaker 3>But stay tuned, folks. You never Yeah, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

1010
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to push you into anything.

1011
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 1>If I were twenty years younger, i'd go for it.

1012
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.800
<v Speaker 2>There you have it, So Larry, I appreciate you taking

1013
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the time. I know we're at the end of your

1014
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 2>time here that I arranged with you, and I appreciate

1015
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:44.079
<v Speaker 2>that as well as the fact that you're with me

1016
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 2>every two weeks or so. I'm not sure when we're

1017
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 2>going to come back to this because obviously we're not

1018
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to get to anything, you know,

1019
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the week of the conference, so I'll probably talk to you,

1020
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe around Thanksgiving or maybe the week after,

1021
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and we'll get back together and you know, maybe do

1022
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:04.000
<v Speaker 2>a post mortem on the conference or something like that

1023
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.599
<v Speaker 2>if that suits you, and if not, we'll talk about

1024
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 2>your next project. Or your current project or whichever article

1025
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>is about to you know, you know, germinate into a book.

1026
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 2>We shall see, right, But in the meantime, Larry, I

1027
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.079
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it, and everybody go to Larrydashhancock dot com.

1028
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.679
<v Speaker 2>That again is where you can keep up with well.

1029
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you the links in the show notes because

1030
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 2>most of you are going to catch the podcast. So

1031
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the thing is, go in the show notes and take

1032
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:35.000
<v Speaker 2>a look under Larry Hancock. You'll find a link to

1033
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 2>his blog, a way to find his books, and usually

1034
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll put something there. Likely it'll be the Oswalt Puzzle,

1035
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 2>a direct link, because if you don't have it already,

1036
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.840
<v Speaker 2>you need to get it, and you're gonna want to

1037
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 2>follow up when these guys add to it as well,

1038
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 2>because his co author David Boylan and himself will be

1039
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.039
<v Speaker 2>presenting at the Lancer conference, as I said before the

1040
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty first to the twenty third of November.

1041
00:53:58.559 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 3>So thank you.

1042
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:03.800
<v Speaker 7>Larry, oh, thanks Chuck. I appreciate It's good to see

1043
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.159
<v Speaker 7>Joe again, and I'll probably drop off, but I'll be

1044
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:12.199
<v Speaker 7>connecting with everybody remotely during the conference, so everybody safe

1045
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 7>travels and we'll we'll get together with you all again

1046
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.559
<v Speaker 7>electronically then exactly, thank.

1047
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 5>You, Larry.

1048
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.679
<v Speaker 8>I joined a few minutes early just to say hi

1049
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.880
<v Speaker 8>to you and crash your last couple of minutes, so

1050
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.840
<v Speaker 8>your segonment. But I do have unidentified one and a

1051
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 8>half feet behind me, and I'm all right my dad

1052
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:40.920
<v Speaker 8>recently surprise attack, so because highly of it. So and

1053
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:42.800
<v Speaker 8>if you don't have the Oswalt puzzle, what the hell

1054
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.480
<v Speaker 8>are you doing? And I think we're going to talk

1055
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 8>in about a month on our thing, this thing, all right.

1056
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 7>I'll joining you to take a look at that and

1057
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:54.920
<v Speaker 7>just make a note. David and I need to talk

1058
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.639
<v Speaker 7>more about Tony Verona, but that's another story by Chuck.

1059
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 1>We'll see you in Dallas one way of the.

1060
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 2>There you go, I'll see, I'll see in the movies.

1061
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Everybody stick around. We're gonna take a quick break here

1062
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 2>and when we come.

1063
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 3>Back, we'll have Joe BURRELLI with us and uh pitch.

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<v Speaker 9>In Denial Secret Wars with air strikes and Tanks by Larryhncock.

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<v Speaker 9>Secret Wars became a staple of US covert operations and

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<v Speaker 9>are still happening today. Larryhancock's book in Denial Rips the

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<v Speaker 9>cover off many of them using new files.

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<v Speaker 10>It exposes things about the Bay and Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 10>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 10>really failed and why the United States did not earn

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<v Speaker 10>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 10>doing secret operations with more success. This is the book

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<v Speaker 10>that puts what some want to deny into the light.

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<v Speaker 10>In Denial secret wars with air strikes and tanks Larryhancock.

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<v Speaker 10>For more information, go to Larry hyphen Handcock dot com.

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<v Speaker 10>Pick up your copy of In Denial at Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 11>Do you like history? Real history that you were never

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<v Speaker 11>taught in schools? Why the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in

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<v Speaker 11>Nation Building in Southeast Asia by author Mike Swanson, with

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<v Speaker 11>new documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to

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<v Speaker 11>events that led up to this. Why the Vietnam War

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<v Speaker 11>Nuclear Bombs in Nation Building in Southeast Asia nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 11>five through nineteen sixty one. Get your copy today at

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<v Speaker 9>Travel through calm sage.

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<v Speaker 1>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 1>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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<v Speaker 1>the context of The Times and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 1>information about the Cuban missile crisis.

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<v Speaker 8>President Kennedy would not have been assassinated if he had

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<v Speaker 8>been president two hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 10>His assassination took place in the context of the Cold

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<v Speaker 10>War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 5>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 8>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 1>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 1>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 1>because they were on mobile launchers.

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<v Speaker 7>Their invasion could have led to a Third World War,

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<v Speaker 7>and they wanted to go to war anyway.

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<v Speaker 8>The War State by Michael Swanson reveals why and will

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<v Speaker 8>show you what President Kennedy was up against.

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<v Speaker 1>For more information, the Warstate dot Com