WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.560 What What's gonna happen? 3 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:17.120 Thank you all? 4 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:27.000 Going forecome everybody to another Headless is Magical mailbag. I 5 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:29.160 am joined by my co host Nick and we have 6 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.799 a very special guest tonight, Matthew Lane. Nick, go ahead 7 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:35.439 and tell him what's up and then we'll introduce Nick 8 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:36.159 or Matte. 9 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:38.079 What is going on, sir? 10 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:40.719 Thank you very much, looking forward to the remote viewing 11 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.359 and definitely looking forward to Matthew's story. So yeah, thanks 12 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:46.079 for having me on it, Matthew, thanks for joining us. 13 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:47.520 Hey, thanks for having me. 14 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:47.880 Guys. 15 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:49.960 My name is Matthew Lane. 16 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:56.320 Find me on Instagram, Awakened lion ex awaken Line twenty 17 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:01.119 nine and if you can check out out any of 18 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:05.599 the podcasts I've done with White Rabbit, Catalyst Jones on 19 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:11.200 The White Rabbit Show, Deplorable Janet on My Water. 20 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.200 Story with Christine Golbertie. 21 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:16.560 That's the biggest thing that I've been trying to push 22 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:18.640 out here on the interwebs for the past year and 23 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:23.079 now or so. But other than that, I got a 24 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:25.680 show in the works called The Hometown Profit. And once 25 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.200 I get that rolling, be on the lookout for. 26 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:33.040 It, all right, well, we got another remote viewing show tonight, 27 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:36.799 but first you've got an interesting occult tale for us, 28 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:40.280 So let's let's kick it off with that. Why don't 29 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:43.200 you tell us about your occult experience. 30 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:48.959 Yeah, So recently I heard Nick talking about his experience 31 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.680 with through meditations, as he called it, what he felt 32 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.680 was crossing over into the abyss, right, And when I 33 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.200 heard him explaining that, I kind of I got like 34 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:05.719 chill vibes, like, holy shit, that's almost exactly what I experienced. 35 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:09.439 And recently I did another show with Nick and explained 36 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:11.479 it a little bit, and he's like, holy crap, that's 37 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:17.240 exactly what I experienced. So what it was is, uh, 38 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:21.280 you know, I got into conspiracies pretty hard back in 39 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:26.879 twenty ten, and as the trope goes, conspiracy definitely led 40 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.000 me to some spirituality stuff. Now, I'm not in the cultest, 41 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:36.000 I'm not in any esoteric groups. I haven't studied the Kambala. 42 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:40.719 I've never even read any Aleistair Crowley or anything like that. 43 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:45.400 But with the Internet these days, all you got to 44 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.919 do is click on a video and then I'll take 45 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.599 you to places you didn't know you were headed. 46 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.719 So I've learned quite a bit about all of it 47 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:53.319 and everything. 48 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.960 Yeah, but Matthew, just real quick, Matthew, you don't have 49 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.039 to know shit about Alistona Crowley if you're a podcast, 50 00:02:58.039 --> 00:02:59.280 so you can just say whatever the fuck you want. 51 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:03.159 You know, everything anyway, right right, right, exactly. 52 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:06.000 The expert. 53 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:07.520 Funny. 54 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:13.080 I got kind of sick of the whole conspiracy stuff 55 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.400 for a minute and really started exploring spirituality and kind 56 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:20.840 of you know, the New Age stuff, you know, pretty 57 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.240 crystals and meditation and yoga and. 58 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:28.479 Reiki and just just all the different things. 59 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.080 Because I also come from a background where I absolutely 60 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.639 despised allopathic medicine. I let the doctor take a knife 61 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.639 to me and it was the biggest regret of my life. So, 62 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.719 you know, just really honing in on how to turn 63 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.520 my health around from within, you know. And one of 64 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:52.520 those first steps I took was through meditation, and I 65 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:58.879 started deep diving meditation around twenty eleven. I had no 66 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.560 idea really what I was doing, and just knew I 67 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.759 needed to call my mind. I was pretty young at 68 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:05.759 the time too, it was only about twenty three twenty four, 69 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.360 and I had gone from I was a pretty young 70 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.479 father at the time. My son was about two and 71 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:18.360 a half three years old, single dad, working and raising 72 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:19.240 my son, and. 73 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.120 The nights I didn't have them, I would deep dive 74 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:27.399 into meditation. So I found this one meditation walk through that. 75 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:34.959 Really got me to focus, and I kept coming back 76 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.439 to it, even though like I wasn't having any like 77 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:44.519 breakthroughs or were any any like experiences other than feeling 78 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.480 very calm at the end of it. You know, it 79 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.839 was very calming, helped clear the mind, you know all 80 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.399 the tropes that meditation does for you. But there was 81 00:04:54.519 --> 00:05:01.040 one evening and let I mentioned, meditation got me to 82 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:05.240 stop drinking I had. I didn't have a problem drinking, 83 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.160 but I was a normal twenty. 84 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:07.959 Three, twenty four year old. 85 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.319 If it was the weekend, I was probably having way 86 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.199 too many drinks with my friends or something. Right, I 87 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:18.240 completely stopped drinking just to do meditation. You can't meditate 88 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:22.519 with the butts. So I was probably three weeks no 89 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.720 drinks and I sat down to meditate. 90 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:26.160 One night. 91 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:32.600 I did partake in a little marijuana, nothing crazy, so 92 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.560 take a hit or two from my bowl. I sit 93 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:38.879 down and put the meditation walk through on. For some reason, 94 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.199 this night, it did not take long and this meditation 95 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.439 walk through just focuses on your breath. It repeats over 96 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.120 and over. Focus on your breath. If you have a thought, 97 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:47.839 go back to the breath. Focus on that. 98 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:56.839 And I had gotten my breath so slowed down. I 99 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.560 left my body. That's the only thing I can explain. 100 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.240 I I finally called like. I didn't feel my chest 101 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.319 rise at all. It felt like an infinity, but it 102 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.079 was probably only a couple of minutes. 103 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.439 But so I. 104 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.639 I snap out of my body and my eyes completely closed. 105 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:23.839 But I was in like this void of blackness. At 106 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.199 first it was very black, but then within a moment, 107 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.639 you just start seeing colors appear and almost shapes, almost 108 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.560 like liquid shapes, reds, blues, greens, everything. 109 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.199 But it wasn't like my background here. It was just 110 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.879 as vast. It was very dark, but you could still 111 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:43.839 see bright colors here and there, and I'm just. 112 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.839 Looking around, going what is this? I can damn near 113 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:54.560 touch it. It almost it almost felt physical, and I 114 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:59.040 went to go start to move further into it, and 115 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:04.399 I'll probably only in that for a good thirty forty 116 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:08.839 five seconds. Then I hear them walk through chime in 117 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.600 and say, if you're having trouble focusing, remember the breath, 118 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.079 and I go, oh, yeah, god, I probably haven't taken 119 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.560 a breath in like ten minutes. So as soon as 120 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.120 I told my body to take that breath, I snapped 121 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.279 right out. My eyes shot open, and I was just like, 122 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:34.319 what the fuck was that? And it wasn't like I 123 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.560 had realized right then and there what had happened to me. 124 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:44.519 It wasn't until days later I realized I haven't felt 125 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:49.439 a single ailment. I'd been dealing with headaches. I hadn't 126 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:52.959 had a headache in a couple of days. I felt amazing. 127 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:56.360 Everything in my life was just like. 128 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.800 I want to say, hit the fast forward, but like 129 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.360 I think, good things just kept happening. I had mental clarity, 130 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.279 I had energy. I fucking barely you had to eat. 131 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:15.160 After that, it was like I went to this place 132 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:22.600 and was just filled with loving energy, like just. 133 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.319 Whether it was my light body or whatever, I was 134 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.720 just absorbing the energy around me while I was in there, 135 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:33.919 and I could kind of feel that while I was there, 136 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.240 But I didn't know that's what was going on until 137 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.559 days later when I realized, I feel. 138 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:43.000 Fucking phenomenal right now. And it stayed like that for 139 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.879 a good month. Now. The part that I didn't tell 140 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.440 Nick is after that month ended, my life went to shit. 141 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:54.919 Weird stuff started happening. 142 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.919 To me, and I mean like things coming up missing 143 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:05.279 in my house, like a whole I paid my rent 144 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:08.840 in cash. I had a whole rent pretty much go missing, 145 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.120 and then shipping stolen out of my house everything, and 146 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.759 then like just weird stuff happening to me at work, 147 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:18.879 issues with customers and like. 148 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:24.000 I had a bunch of awards for like customer service 149 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:25.159 hanging up in our office. 150 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.120 Like I was great at my job. I was always 151 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:30.080 good with customer I always have bad Like my sales 152 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.559 went down. It was a sales job that I had, 153 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:38.759 and I was paranoid, especially from thinking I was being 154 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.080 robbed constantly, which I ended up finding I was. 155 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:42.919 I literally had a. 156 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.039 Neighbor breaking into my house every day that I went 157 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:49.200 to work, just wanted and I had to call the 158 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:52.600 cops multiple times. They couldn't find any fingerprints, we couldn't 159 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:53.240 figure it out who. 160 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.159 I didn't figure out who it was until like three 161 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:55.720 years later. 162 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:59.720 But you know, hearing next say how you kind of 163 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:04.279 like he felt his experience was like him entering the abyss. 164 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:06.360 The abyss soon as I heard that, I was like, 165 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.480 sh shit. 166 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:11.000 Did something follow me back? Is that what I was 167 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:14.120 dealing with? It was just some bad juju or something. 168 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:17.480 I really don't know, but I'll tell you this. I 169 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:21.039 have yet to meditate and get back to that place. 170 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:25.919 But just knowing the fact that somebody like me is 171 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.559 not an adept. I'm not a Buddhist monk. I didn't 172 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:33.440 study lookaby, I don't know shit. But it just proves 173 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.440 like if you just sit down and really try and 174 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.919 believe in it, you can have an experience at any 175 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.519 given moment, like if you can't have any doubt in 176 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:43.200 your mind. 177 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.559 That that's not something that can happen, because that's something 178 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:46.679 you want to experience. 179 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:53.840 But yeah, but life changing opened my eyes to so 180 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.600 much more really got me off the black pill I 181 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.440 was on with conspiracy see back in that times too, 182 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.360 because back then, uh, they hadn't even said, you know, 183 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.399 kem trails were real, yet they were still playing everybody 184 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.000 you know on the whole like, oh, those are just 185 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:16.639 con trails, silly goose question that I'm literally drawing signs 186 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.279 on the side of, like taking poster boards and writing 187 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.519 look up in the sky with a plane leaving this trail. 188 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:24.440 Yeah, Like I was crazy with it, dude. 189 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.200 I was telling everybody I know and they were just 190 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.080 all looking at me like I was a fucking idiot. 191 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:34.279 But that's kind of the time the awakened Lion was birth. 192 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.279 You know. I went down quite a few rabbit holes 193 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.200 after that that that experience. 194 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.080 Did you have any physical feeling out where that happens 195 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:45.399 or anything? Say that again, do you have any physical 196 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:46.360 feelings when that happened? 197 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.080 Pure bliss? Like it felt. 198 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.679 I felt energized, Like as soon as I came out 199 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.240 of it, I felt like, holy shit, that was great. 200 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.799 That was awesome, that was amazing. I felt like it. 201 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:01.039 And I did it at ten o'clock at night. I 202 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.159 couldn't go to bed until like one am. 203 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.440 I normally meditated right before I went to bed, and 204 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:08.600 uh yeah, I was up for a while after that. 205 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:12.440 But other than like, yeah, I'll say, my body felt better. 206 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.600 And like I said, I had surgery when I was eighteen, 207 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:21.120 still senior in high school on my foot. They kind 208 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.159 of left me gimped. I lost all the muscle in 209 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.039 my left calf due to atrophy. It's a nerve damage 210 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:32.039 in my foot, so I'm in pain every single day, 211 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.600 my foot's all jacked up, my hips are messed up. Now, 212 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.159 my lower back's going out. So I'm kind of a 213 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:43.360 mess physically. But I felt great for weeks after that, 214 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.639 Like my foot, no pain in my foot. I was 215 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.960 working out too. I normally have to like do a 216 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.440 real good warm up before I started running. I was 217 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.200 I do a quick stretch and just hit the ground 218 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.879 pavement running, you know. Like I said, mental clarity too, 219 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.600 Like I'd come into work and just kill my sales. 220 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:08.360 For that first month after that meditation, like I was 221 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:12.960 doing awesome, and then out of nowhere, just the whole 222 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.039 fucking world fell on top of me. I ended up 223 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.440 having to move from my house because I was so paranoid. 224 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.159 I was like, somebody's robbing me every day. I gotta 225 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:22.639 get the fuck out of here. Like I was sleeping 226 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.120 with knives. It's not something normally do. Bro, Yeah, I 227 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.480 was that dude had me fucked up. Yeah, I was 228 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:31.480 pretty pissed off. I was like, wait, really it was 229 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.279 that guy. I could have fucking. 230 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.200 Taken his ass befriend When you move into new places, 231 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:40.279 I'll tell you that this dude. 232 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.120 Now I had roommates living with me when I first 233 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.600 moved in, and uh, this guy moved in next door 234 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.159 to me with his parents and his dad was in 235 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.519 the military. He seemed like a decent dude came over 236 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.840 when he'd see us outside partying and everything. And eventually 237 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.360 my roommates moved out and he'd still come over. Every 238 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:00.159 once in a while. 239 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:04.480 You find out, dude, dude just befriended me so you 240 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:06.080 can get into my house. Yeah. 241 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:14.799 I think what a lot of people have missed out 242 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:18.000 on is when they have the crossing of the bass experiences. 243 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.840 That's like a brand new light, you know, and that's 244 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.960 sort of like what you're talking about, Like you felt lighter, 245 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:29.320 it sounds like, and lights attract the darkest, darkest moths, right, 246 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:32.159 So you got to make sure to protect your energy 247 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:36.000 and know exactly how you're projecting yourself because a lot 248 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:37.679 of people can pick up on that and they want 249 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:39.799 a piece of it, you know, And a lot of 250 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.000 that comes from the incompleteness they feel in themselves and 251 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.600 they're like, I want some of that. So people are 252 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.200 aware of energy, whether they're consciously aware of it or not. 253 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:52.240 That's perfectly put man, exactly, Like, because like I said, 254 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:54.559 I felt like I was just sucking in light energy 255 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.279 in that moment when I felt like I left my body. 256 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:01.720 And you know, I've never been the type of person 257 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.120 to be able to see somebody's aura, but like, you know, 258 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:06.720 who knows what other. 259 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:08.840 People felt and saw for me when I was in 260 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:09.399 that mode. 261 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.320 But definitely, you know, when we're talking on a spiritual level, 262 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:17.240 those darker entities, Yeah, that's a moth to the. 263 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:17.799 Light, you know. 264 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.519 That's and back then I had no idea how to 265 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:25.919 do spiritual protection or anything like that. Now I consider 266 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.080 myself a Christian, even though I don't go to church, 267 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.960 and the Jesus subject is still up in the air 268 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:38.759 for me. But I definitely still participate in magic. I'm 269 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:42.919 at least learning, not something I practice practice, and nothing 270 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:44.360 ceremonial or anything like that. 271 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:48.879 Maybe just like, well, here we've got a I have 272 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.759 an interesting sort of take on the definition of magic. 273 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.200 So a lot of people try to have like a 274 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:59.120 definition that doesn't include like stage magic, like stage magic, 275 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.000 that's something else, like we're talking about this, but essentially 276 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:07.240 it's all an illusion used to influence reality. Right, You've 277 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.919 got to start the illusion in your head before it 278 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.759 can ever come out and change reality. So whether you're 279 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.440 doing any type of magic, it all has to start 280 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.399 from that illusionary level and then you make it real. Unfortunately, 281 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:24.440 that definition includes everything like writing, it includes dancing, all 282 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:28.679 of these things or illusions used to influence reality. I mean, 283 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.960 what is the thing that humans produce that isn't partially illusionary? 284 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.159 You know? Even like a painting right the painting behind you. Well, 285 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.759 it's the illusion of a line within those colors. So 286 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.200 on some level, we're all doing magic. We're just not 287 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:46.080 recognizing it. 288 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:47.159 See. 289 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.759 But like I now, I think Matthew's experience, let's say 290 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.759 our experience that was all inside our head. I would 291 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.960 not want you attribute that to him pulling a rabbit 292 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:55.240 out of a hat. It's not the same fucking thing 293 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.840 at all. No, But but Yoji said, it's all the 294 00:16:58.919 --> 00:16:59.320 same thing. 295 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.120 Illusions come in many different forms, Like how do you 296 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.559 you know, define what illusion is? It's like a symbolic thing. 297 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.039 It can it can be all in your head, or 298 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:10.440 it could be in physical reality. 299 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.359 Everything else, though, is affecting somebody else because they're seeing it. 300 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.279 I'm the only one seeing it inside my head. So 301 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.519 it's a difference. Man, I'm sorry, I don't agree with 302 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:17.839 that one. 303 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:19.079 I think. 304 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.200 I even think that's the difference between adding the case, 305 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.200 because there's a difference between the guy pulling a rabbit 306 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:24.920 out of the hat and somebody's sucking their soul out 307 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:25.440 of their buddy. 308 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:26.960 Sorry, that's completely different. 309 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.839 Well, I think you have to start by by, you know, 310 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:34.599 creating the conditions where you can get to the point 311 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.319 where you can leave right, and that I think that 312 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:39.920 would be the illusion. You know, it's like somehow you 313 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.599 are closing your senses off. 314 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:44.240 I think an illusion would be is if I thought 315 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:45.079 I could and I can't. 316 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:48.480 If you thought you couldn't, you can't. 317 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:50.559 Yeah, But if I'm actually doing it, it's not an illusion. 318 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:51.160 It's reality. 319 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:53.880 Well you got to think you can before you can 320 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:54.759 do anything. 321 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.880 But then it's not. But it's truth. Though I don't 322 00:17:57.880 --> 00:17:59.799 know if I see illusion, I don't. 323 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:01.519 Know that's the influence of reality. 324 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:04.680 If you had the experience, you would actually say, don't 325 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.559 even compare me to a motherfucker who pulls a rabbit 326 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.039 out of a hat. 327 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:10.960 Well, he's trying to trick everybody else, he's not tricking himself. 328 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:13.799 You know, once you can trick yourself into doing so. 329 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.240 I just don't agree with that one. That's just me. 330 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:18.200 I think they're two totally different things. 331 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.960 Yeah, the whole I'd say what we did definitely didn't. 332 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:28.960 The sitting down, the preparation and all that, and it's 333 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:34.000 almost like a ceremonial act. But that moment we transported, 334 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.519 I honestly I get I still get chills to think 335 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:41.920 that it happened back in like twenty eleven. Dude, I 336 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:46.000 still get ago. Yeah, it was a really long time ago, 337 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:47.599 and I haven't I have yet to do it since. 338 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:49.480 Oh I haven't. 339 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.680 I'll admittedly I don't meditate anywhere where I would like 340 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:54.319 to anymore. 341 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.519 But the times I've gone back to and tried, how 342 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.960 you nine? 343 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.359 Oh so you're like, oh wow, you. 344 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:13.160 Yeah, there's there's definitely I could see there's people who 345 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.480 would consider that I'm kind of a magical practice, but 346 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:22.519 that that's spiritual man, Like, that's that's something I think 347 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:27.440 a lot of Buddhist monks haven't even mastered, you know, 348 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.759 like her probably you know, they might meditate for a 349 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.279 real long time, but that being able to completely zap 350 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:38.160 out to another place, that's I think it's random. I 351 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:43.599 don't even think you are fully of depth, like you 352 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:46.319 you could meditate every single day, You're not going. 353 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:48.519 To have that experience that I had every single time 354 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:51.839 I think I hit. 355 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.279 I don't know if maybe I wish I knew the 356 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.160 exact date that happened to me to see how the 357 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:58.319 stars were aligned. 358 00:19:58.079 --> 00:19:58.519 Up that night. 359 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:00.839 Maybe it was some kind of effect like that, but 360 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:05.480 I think it was just the perfect my mind, body, spirit, 361 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:10.119 everything was aligned perfectly for me to obtain that. Like 362 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.759 I said, after doing it, it's like, Okay, I felt 363 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:15.079 that it's almost like riding a bike. You should be 364 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:17.279 able to do it again, right, No, fuck that, No 365 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:20.480 it's not. I've meditated for three hours straight trying to 366 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:21.319 get to that again. 367 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:23.440 I could see, Oh yeah, I could see that. 368 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:31.200 I don't know the situation behind, like the actual testing, 369 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:35.519 but I did have something I've had notes on for 370 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:37.880 a while and just never went anywhere with it. God, 371 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:39.839 I'm not exactly sure, like exactly what I want to 372 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:41.920 do with it, because it's had enough to cover on 373 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.559 its own. It's something I wanted to add, but I 374 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.119 did actually have there was like actual like scientific studies 375 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.880 done on these monks that they would drop that shit 376 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:52.680 down to where they'd be registered as dead. 377 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:53.599 But these motherfuckers. 378 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.039 You know, they're not like you know, even poked up 379 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.119 to the monitors and everything, they'd be considered fucking lifeless. 380 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:02.119 Like heart rhythm and blood pressure and everything. 381 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.200 Yeah, then and then and then they steached. 382 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:05.960 I think they did the study for like twenty or 383 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:08.519 thirty years, Like they kept in touch with these people 384 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.200 and the ones who like ended up dying, Like some 385 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:14.480 of these people were already old when they died. They 386 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.440 even checked and like their bodies did not decay like 387 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:18.880 a normal motherfucker would either. 388 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.160 It stayed looking fine for a long time. 389 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.319 So they even thought like something was like this actual 390 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:27.440 scientific proof of people clicking out going some woymen. 391 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:32.519 Well, in book four, Crowley talks about some HATI and 392 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.400 some hotty. Is this sort of deepest state of meditation. 393 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:39.240 This is the way he describes it, non dualistic, one 394 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:43.039 pointed state of consciousness where the observer and the object 395 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:46.599 of observation and the act of observing become one thing. 396 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:52.079 So they say it's a deliberate focus concentration and it 397 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.799 creates a sense of bliss. So that would be kind 398 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.640 of like Crowley's perspective on it. But he talks about 399 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:03.839 multiple levels of meditation, and I don't know where the 400 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:07.000 rabbit hole stops, you know he does it stop at 401 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.640